WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.640 I'm driving and driving get west of San Sabah, driving 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:07.000 along and I remember there's a spot there where there's 3 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:09.240 a big tree on the side of the way, and 4 00:00:09.439 --> 00:00:12.759 I saw something black moving a little bit. I thought, 5 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:14.720 what is that cow? And all of a sudden, this 6 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:17.719 thing stands up. I'm not a little guy. This thing's 7 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:20.079 arms are bigger around the both of my legs each 8 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:22.839 and I'm like, well what, And of course it's scared 9 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:25.120 the daylights out of me. I went from staring at 10 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:27.519 my at my radio to looking up at this thing 11 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:30.640 that's lit up my my bright headlights and it's right there, 12 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:33.359 not fifteen feet off the road, and I watched it 13 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:36.200 as it went by. It scared the daylights out of me. 14 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:38.840 And I went from being kind of sleeping too wide 15 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:41.039 freaking awake. Right there. 16 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:18.959 This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt, and joining 17 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:23.879 me is Randy. Randy is someone that I have talked 18 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.280 to on and off over the years, and I was 19 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.519 trying to think earlier, I don't remember a time in 20 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:34.599 the online Bigfoot community where I didn't know of you. 21 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.280 You have been around for a really long time and 22 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:42.400 kind of a neighbor down there in Texas, exactly. Yeah, 23 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:45.159 how did this whole thing get started for you? 24 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:50.400 We had a mutual friend who really got me off 25 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:54.159 center to start looking at things that I have seen 26 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:58.799 in my life, and it made me realize these things 27 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:03.120 that I've seen and kind of dismissed in my life 28 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.120 may have some validity. There may be certain things that 29 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:13.039 are real about them. And I guess it all started 30 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:18.199 back in the early mid early to mid seventies. I 31 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:21.919 was a young kid. I wanted to go hunting so 32 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:24.000 bad with my dad. Didn't know how to shoot, but 33 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:25.599 I wanted to be out there with dad. You know 34 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:29.759 how that goes. Yeah, And in Central Texas where I'm from, 35 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:33.919 it get used to get really cold before dawn, especially 36 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:38.639 right at the first dear season, so it's freezing and everything. 37 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:41.360 And Dad finally agreed, Yeah, come on, we'll go along. 38 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:45.879 So where we were was West Winterstate thirty five. My 39 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:49.960 grandfather had a ranch out there, and I went with 40 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:54.159 Dad and we got there around three am, and I 41 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:57.280 was all excited. The stars were real bright, it was clear, 42 00:02:57.319 --> 00:02:58.879 so you knew it was going to be really cold, 43 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:01.719 but I was with Dad, That's all that mattered. And 44 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:05.840 went to my grandfather's ranch we met with my cousins 45 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:10.599 and my uncle who ran the place, and they took 46 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:14.000 us in this old pickup. You know, we always have 47 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:16.840 to have that one old ranch truck. We went way, 48 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:19.439 We went way out in the back of this place. 49 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:22.039 And this is a little south of the town called 50 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:25.439 Salado and north of a town called Georgetown, and we're 51 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:28.680 probably ten twelve miles west of inter State thirty five. 52 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:34.639 Very wooded oak country, the Salado Ranch, No, not the 53 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:38.800 slater for the slat Oak Creek actually runs through that property. 54 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:43.719 And Dad and I were signed to a tree stand, 55 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:45.520 which is like a big treehouse went up in this 56 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:48.520 big oak tree there. So we were sitting there and 57 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:50.960 I was all excited, and Dad and I were sitting 58 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:54.919 in their tongue and it was cold. It was really cold, 59 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:57.759 and I'm not good in the cold. I never had 60 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:03.520 either twenties. It was not for me. And you know 61 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:05.719 that's pretty cold for us. You guys in Oklahoma get 62 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:09.479 it even a little colder. Well, we're sitting there and 63 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:14.159 I'm looking at the stars, and I was around five am. 64 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:20.839 I clearly heard a woman screaming and this went on 65 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:24.120 and on, and I looked at my Dad. I said Dad, 66 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:28.639 what's that? What's that thing? What is that? Because what 67 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:32.839 I'd forgotten Dad was a combat vet from World War Two. 68 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:36.000 His hearing was shot. He had more than fifty percent 69 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:38.480 of it gone. And I'm listening to that and it's 70 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:42.879 creeping me out, and I'm like, well, I've heard foxes 71 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:47.120 squealed by that point, but I'd never heard this. This 72 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:50.319 was clearly a woman screaming, and she was less than 73 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:53.439 one hundred yards away, and you know, when it's cold, 74 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:55.759 sound carries really well. She may have been a little 75 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:58.560 it may have been a little bit more, but this 76 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:03.199 was going on and on more miles from anywhere. The 77 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:08.480 Salona ranch is butts up to this property, and that's 78 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:13.480 ten thousand plus acres. There's nothing out there anyhow, so 79 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:22.600 what is that? Oh, that's strange. Well, not realizing, not 80 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:26.759 having been out that much, it was dead that morning. 81 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:30.120 Nobody got a deer except one of my cousins. There 82 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.000 was one little buck that got out in this probably 83 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:35.959 five ten acre clearing that was in front of us, 84 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:40.920 and my cousins got him, but he didn't move. He 85 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.079 stayed right out in the middle. After that's well, that 86 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.920 scream before you know the screaming had ended close to dawn, 87 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.959 and so it went on thirty maybe forty minutes, wow, 88 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:56.199 on and off it went on a long time. Foxes 89 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.000 don't squeal like that. Let's go a little bit. Then 90 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.720 they'll get scared and run a way. And I'm like, 91 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:06.120 what's that? You know? That was weird? And I told 92 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:08.000 that about it. He said, Son, I just can't hear it. 93 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:11.920 I said, I understand, and so I went to my 94 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.399 cousins and I asked him and one of them said, no, 95 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:17.000 I didn't hear anything. I went to the other one. 96 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.519 This is one I really trust and really like him, 97 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:24.639 and I said, Andy, I shouldn't said his name, but 98 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:28.399 what doesn't matter. I said, what was that? He kind 99 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:32.519 of looked down and he said about foxes make all 100 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:36.319 kind of strange noises. So Andy, that wasn't a fox. 101 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:41.120 I know better. I've been out with them hunting and things, 102 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.399 so I knew what what it sounded like. Plus they 103 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:46.920 were pretty rare out there. You didn't see him very much. 104 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:51.279 So I just kind of filed that off in the 105 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:56.000 in the uh, in the bin of strange things, right, 106 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.439 And it was just one of those weird things. 107 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:02.199 Did the screaming, move any here or was it just 108 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:04.160 always from the same spot. 109 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:09.240 It was from the same spot now, from the same spot. 110 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.720 That had that had been pretty scary. 111 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:15.639 Well, we're sitting there with a couple of high powered 112 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:19.319 hunting rifles and I'm with my dad, so that made 113 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:22.240 everything just just fine. There was no problems. But I'm like, 114 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:26.560 you know, your imagination can run away with you, and 115 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:29.360 being who I am and what to do, I try 116 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.839 to not let my imagination run away with me because 117 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:34.720 it's part of what I do. But I'm like, that 118 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:39.279 was really strange. And I asked my uncle about it, 119 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:43.800 and he just said, now, nothing interesting things about that property. 120 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:49.959 My other cousin, ma'am. When he was out there, this 121 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:53.480 guy was constantly down looking for signs of things moving, 122 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:58.800 looking for anything moving, and he's quiet, don't move, Mike. 123 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:01.839 If we're just gonna took some white tailed deer or 124 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:04.399 maybe some quail, or see a roadrunner, that's no big ye. 125 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:08.399 Occasional turkeys, that's one thing. But he was always really 126 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:13.399 cautious out there. And the land is still and it's 127 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:18.160 in their family name now, but I often wonder because 128 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.800 there's so much it's open from there. All the way 129 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:23.360 back into the Texas hill country, a good fifty sixty 130 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:27.079 miles to the west, and there have been some reports 131 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:33.799 out that way, and I wonder, you know, after becoming 132 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:36.320 more aware and finally admitting to myself that, you know, 133 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:40.240 this was pretty strange, I needed, you know, I just 134 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:43.080 it was just really strange. Man. I don't know how 135 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:47.600 to describe it, but that other cousin was always on 136 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:49.159 the high alert when we were out there, and he 137 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:52.360 was always armed, even when it wasn't dear season, he 138 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:58.399 always had something with him. So well, I grew up, 139 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:02.399 went through high school, started on college in Central Texas, 140 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:05.919 and the next event happened. And I actually can pin 141 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:10.639 down the actual date that this one was. We were 142 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:13.279 on Christmas break and my friend Eddie I think it 143 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.360 was him, was fun. He had to study because his 144 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:20.440 semester actually picked up it finished right after the first 145 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:23.840 of the year, and he said, well, let's go for 146 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:26.679 a movie. Okay. So we're standing around at my parents' 147 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:30.440 house in Central Texas and all of a sudden we 148 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:33.639 started hearing helicopters. Well, we hear a lot of helicopters 149 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.639 over there, the big twin rotors. Chinook's things like that. 150 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:43.080 You hear those things and the what do they call them, 151 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.279 the the cobras, You would hear those, but there weren't 152 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:49.720 even apaches out yet. They hadn't even been introduced. The 153 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:53.480 m one tanks had just been reduced are introduced out there. 154 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:58.759 But that's thirty miles west for where we lived. And well, 155 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.639 there's a couple of them coming over, a couple more, 156 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:05.679 and then a couple more, and I'm going, what is 157 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:08.960 going on? They often had an exercise that time of 158 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:13.120 year where they would train the soldiers. You say, I 159 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:16.759 kind of dismissed this thing as logically as possible. Well, 160 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.559 they just, you know, get nine times out of ten, 161 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.600 it's always the most common. Well, before it was over, 162 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:25.879 it was at least twenty of these things went by, 163 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:29.720 and smaller ones too, the little hughes, five hundreds. We 164 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.919 all went outside, myself and my two friends Eddie and Brian, 165 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:35.919 and we looked in the last four or five of 166 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.399 these things are all headed down to the southeast, and 167 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.879 I thought that was weird. So we went to the movies. 168 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:45.960 That gave me much more thought. Well, guess what. In 169 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:49.639 the next couple of days, a big news came out 170 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:53.000 down here near where I live now, a little to 171 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:58.639 the east of me, a couple of elderly ladies and 172 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.840 their grandson were driving in a car and all of 173 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.600 a sudden, a large UFO came down right over the 174 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:08.080 road and was hovering there. This is called the cash 175 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:13.720 Landrum incident. The days line up perfectly, and they said, 176 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:18.080 twin rotor helicopters came around and escorted this thing away. 177 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:22.919 Those three all suffered, and the two women may have 178 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:27.159 actually died of radiation burns. The boy not so bad. 179 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:28.000 He's still alive. 180 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.840 Yeah, I remember that story. I think it was like 181 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:34.399 actually on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries once. 182 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:38.960 It sure was, and on UFO Hunters, and I go, god, 183 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:41.200 I saw those helicopters that night. 184 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:42.200 Wow. 185 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:47.519 And I'm like, okay, well, UFOs, I could kind of go, okay, 186 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.879 maybe there's something out there. Maybe it was just something 187 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:52.320 we didn't know what it was, or they didn't know 188 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:57.919 what it was. And being in my technologically oriented career, 189 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:02.399 I had an interest in military aviation. But that matched 190 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:06.120 nothing that we've seen. I can take you to that 191 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:08.080 general area right now. I know where it is that 192 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:12.320 actually gone over there and looked around and it's interesting, 193 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:16.360 but it's one of those big unknowns. Yeah, and so 194 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:20.320 well that was pretty much it that night. I didn't 195 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.399 see anything else, and I never saw those helicopters come back. 196 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:27.840 This is where it starts getting interesting. Many years had 197 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:36.000 passed by and I was in my oh, I guess 198 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:39.720 I was in my twenties now, maybe five six seven 199 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:44.440 years later. It was spring break. I was with a 200 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:47.159 friend and another friend came by and he said, I'm 201 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:49.279 going out to West Texas. I want to see these 202 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:53.600 Marpha lights. Oh cool, I've I've heard of them. Well, 203 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.960 my friend Brian was with me and Paul and said, 204 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:01.000 let's go. So you know it's a Texas is a 205 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:01.960 big place. 206 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:06.120 Yeah, yeah, it is. It takes forever to get anywhere. 207 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:10.120 It is shorter to have a guy drive down from 208 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:14.440 Sanford from Chicago to Dallas to do service work than 209 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:17.480 it is to send someone from I'll passo back and 210 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:22.679 we're three quarters of the way to all passover and well, 211 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:25.759 you know, young twenty something kids, a bunch of college kids, 212 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.639 or I was already out by this time. I said sure, 213 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.879 let's go. So we got we take off, We drive 214 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:35.759 all day. We go to one of the swapfests that 215 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:41.360 I mentioned later on in here, and well we get 216 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:45.440 to Marfa, Texas, we negotiated with the guys for a 217 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:47.799 cheaper room than we all just you know, like guys. 218 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:51.919 We just crashed out there and we were retired and said, okay, 219 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:54.159 let's go out. Let's see if we find these Marpha lights. 220 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:59.559 We go out there, we're sitting there. Lookye, we got 221 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.440 two engineers in an accountant sitting out there looking at 222 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:06.360 these things. And we're like, oh, wait a minute, and 223 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:09.120 I got my binoculars out. We're seeing three of these 224 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:12.360 bright lights move off in the distance, so we haven't 225 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:16.159 moved back. Some red lights go the other. Pretty soon 226 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.600 we realized those were the lights on the Presidio Highway 227 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:21.720 and we started laughing, going, no, this is a bunch 228 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:24.320 of crap. And I'm sitting there and I mean, yeah, 229 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:27.840 this is really nothing. And you know, Paul was We 230 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:31.000 did a few time exposure photos. You know, that's always fun, 231 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.960 and you know, it looked pretty good. What I didn't 232 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:36.840 know was that area right there where you go with 233 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:39.360 the viewing area that used to be a military base 234 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:41.519 a long time ago. You can still see it on 235 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.279 Google Earth where all the foundations were. I didn't know 236 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:50.320 that it's an interesting factory. Well, I thought, okay, that's 237 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:52.919 pretty neat. And so we're getting ready to go back 238 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:56.480 to Hotewn and I looked over and this. You remember 239 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:01.600 those really blue hid headlights, bluish, whitish ones, of course, 240 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:04.679 not the LEDs the kids all have. Back then those 241 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:09.519 were rare. Well, there was something really bright right straight 242 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.519 down towards southern Marfa, right there. But we're ten twelve 243 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.639 miles out of down over a hill and I'm like, 244 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.799 what the heck is that. I'm my drinking, that's nothing, 245 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:22.919 that's nothing. I go, no, No, that's something right there. 246 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:27.519 And it flickers and it stayed pretty stationary, and I 247 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:31.399 was like, wow, check it out. Well, guess what that 248 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:36.039 was the real thing? And I actually saw them. Wow, 249 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:41.440 I have absolutely no idea what that was that. I mean, 250 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.279 if it was someone with a headlight playing around, they 251 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.559 just spent thousands of dollars to pull a prank, because 252 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:51.080 in those days, those headlights were like two thousand dollars 253 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:55.000 options on your Lincolns or your Mercedes. And I mean 254 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:59.440 now it's common, no problem, but back then that was 255 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:01.879 something to see. I got to see him on the 256 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:03.879 very first time I ever went out to look for him. 257 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:06.679 Have been out there since. I never saw him again. 258 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:11.679 They say they're still there, but it's a funny flickering light, 259 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:16.080 and they say they moved. But now this one sort 260 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.399 of just stayed in one spot and flickered at us. 261 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.559 And as we drove back towards Marfa, I kept watching it. 262 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:25.360 And by the way, the Santa Fe tracts are and 263 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.799 right by there, and you could tell the difference between 264 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:32.759 Santa Fe train, that big halogen incandescent light versus this 265 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:39.960 blue thing, completely different, and it was a fascinating thing. 266 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:44.639 Time passed and in my thirties and the job I 267 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:49.000 had really wasn't a lot of fun, and so honestly 268 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:51.480 it was terrible, and I was bored to death and 269 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:54.759 really wasn't a great place for me to be. Well. 270 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:56.600 I take it some time off and I was going 271 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:00.600 to go out to West Texas and bear in mind, 272 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.240 I kind of dismissed everything except that Marpha lights up 273 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:10.359 to this point, and it's like ninety six. In fact, 274 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:14.640 it was April sixteenth, nineteen ninety six, Friday before Saint 275 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:18.680 Patrick's Day, and there's a swapfest. I wanted to go 276 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.000 to out in West Texas in Midland, and I said, 277 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.200 I'm going I'm gonna just do it, have some fun. 278 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:28.000 So loaded up my car, my goodies, and you know, 279 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:31.799 took these odds and ends with me and I'm going 280 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:33.200 to this thing. I'm going to get out of it, 281 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:36.200 get out of town. So I started out of my town, 282 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:40.039 drove through Colleen, right by the Fort Hood Base, drove 283 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:42.960 on out west and finally you have to make a 284 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.640 turn to go up to a little town called San Sabbath. 285 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:52.000 And I'm not thinking about anything. I'm tired. I'm thinking 286 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:54.440 there's got to be something on the radio to listen to, 287 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:58.200 you know, Art Bell or something nothing like I said. 288 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.720 Texas is a big place and you can go for 289 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:04.440 miles without having anything to listen to. Who's you could 290 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:08.799 in those days. And I'm driving and driving, get west 291 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:13.039 of San Saba, driving along, drop down over the cop 292 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:15.480 I believe it was the San Saba River Bridge. I 293 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.200 thought it was Colorado. I think it's San Saba. And 294 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:21.240 I come back up and I remember there's a spot 295 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:23.200 there where there's a big tree on the side of 296 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:27.200 the way, right close to the right away and I 297 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:31.480 saw something black moving a little bit. I thought, why 298 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:34.400 is that cow? And all of a sudden, this thing 299 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:37.359 stands out and I can see more of an ape 300 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.279 like face, huge arms. Matt, I'm not a little guy. 301 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:44.079 This thing's arms are bigger around than both of my legs. 302 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:47.720 Each it stands up and it's almost like noo, get 303 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:50.839 out of here, and I well, what, And of course 304 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:53.200 it's scared that daylights out of me. I went from 305 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.000 staring at my at my radio to looking up at 306 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:58.960 this thing that's lit up by my bright headlights and 307 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.319 it's right there, not fifteen feet off the road. And 308 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:05.039 I watched it as it went by. Now your headlights 309 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:07.400 fade out, but there's still just a little light left, 310 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.279 and I washed it and I swerved. Scared the daylights 311 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:13.160 out of me, and I went from being kind of 312 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:17.759 sleeping too wide freaking awake. Right there. I'm like, oh 313 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:22.759 my god, I didn't know what to think. I hit 314 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.359 my brake lights because you know, they had those big 315 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:27.160 red brake lights up on the top of the rear 316 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:31.240 windshield rear last didn't see anything, but you know, it 317 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.000 was a little off the road, and I looked back 318 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:41.359 and I was like, what the hell? And I looked around. 319 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:44.319 It's two forty five in the morning. I remember I 320 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:47.519 looked at the time, I was like and I thought 321 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:50.079 maybe I should turn around and go see what that was. 322 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:54.240 Was that a prank? Was that a Was that a hoax? 323 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:57.680 I mean, man, that thing had to be ten feet 324 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:04.920 tall and half that I mean at least I couldn't 325 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:09.640 actually see anything below its needs. The lights didn't shine 326 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:12.160 that well. And then it was out of the lights, 327 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.440 the edge of the lights of the car, but it 328 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:16.000 was there. 329 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:21.240 This is West Texas, right, yeah. 330 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:25.559 Western central Texas. You can look down on a map 331 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:28.000 San Saba and you'll see the San Saba River just 332 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:30.079 on the west and I think it's Highway thirty six. 333 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:32.400 What kind of terrain is this? 334 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:38.920 Rolling prairie, rocky, a lot of granite and rock, but 335 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:43.359 a lot of oak forest. That's where all the Texans 336 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:46.440 like to have their gear property at. They'll go lease 337 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:49.039 out there because there's tons of white tale out there, 338 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:54.519 tons of jack rabbits, lots of turkey. And yeah, it's 339 00:20:54.680 --> 00:21:00.240 rolling prairie and small forest. Well, looking later on, just 340 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:05.160 up and beyond where we were, there's a pecan orchard there. Really, 341 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:07.279 I didn't know it, but I looked, But I mean, 342 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.799 it wasn't within a quarter mile from there at least 343 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:13.799 one hundred acres of the coond trees. And in the 344 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:16.680 early year, early time like that, maybe there were things 345 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:17.839 out there it could forage. 346 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:19.880 And this was in the river bottom. 347 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:23.559 No, it was above the river bottom. We're coming up. 348 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:27.559 We're up on about where that. You know that is 349 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:31.000 not a canyon type river, it's more just a as 350 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:34.640 natural It just sort of a slow depression. And as 351 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:37.400 you get to the top on the western side right. 352 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:40.920 There, did you see any like eyeshine or anything. 353 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:46.680 No, the eyes were large and dark, solid black, solid black. 354 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:50.279 I could kind of make out that there were eyes there, 355 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:54.000 but I did not see any eye shine. Also, I 356 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:57.400 didn't smell anything. But remember I'm driving at highway speed 357 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:01.880 right and I'm going by about fifty six sixty fifty 358 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:05.200 guys sixty miles an hour. I'm like, what on earth? 359 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:09.480 And it had I could see its fingers because you 360 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:10.960 know how if you were to get up and shoot 361 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.359 something away from you with your hand, that's kind of 362 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:14.240 what it was doing to me. 363 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:16.200 Like it did that gesture. 364 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:20.079 Like that with both arms, go away, like get out 365 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:24.920 of here, and I'm like, what the That's not supposed 366 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:28.519 to be there at this point in my life that 367 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.480 if anything, if this at all, was somewhere in northern 368 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:35.440 California on the West coast. You know, I had no 369 00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:37.480 idea we had these things around here. 370 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:42.000 I mean, was it even something that like you had 371 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:44.079 looked into or were interested in? 372 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:48.079 Not at all. I mean, if there was a bigfoot 373 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.200 show on TV, yes I would watch it. Those were fun, 374 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:57.039 But it was the farthest thing from my mind. Ye know, 375 00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:03.640 I'll face it. I'm an engineer. I think about real things, numbers, odds, percentages. 376 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.920 I don't That's not something I would be looking for. 377 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:12.319 And I'm like, this just it couldn't be. It couldn't 378 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:15.640 have been that. I immediately dismissed it. All day long, 379 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.680 I kept saying I did not see that, Matt. My 380 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:20.960 heart didn't slow down till I got to the other 381 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:26.200 side of Texas. I had nightmares from that. You know. 382 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:31.039 It was like, let's ask South some hallucinations. Hallucinations don't 383 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:34.480 cause you to have nightmares, Yeah, you know, they don't. 384 00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:38.640 You know, it's do you might relive the situation. I 385 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:40.039 never have never wanted to. 386 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:42.960 Were you able to get a look at its face? 387 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:49.720 Pretty good? Yeah, almost chimp like, chimp like large teeth. 388 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:55.880 I couldn't say exact color hair. Most of the face 389 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:59.039 was covered with hair except around the mouth slightly. You 390 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:02.240 know how chimps have a slightly bulging mouth. Right, The 391 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:05.319 nose was not a chip nose. It was partially bridged 392 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.720 like ours, but almost flat up and down are real 393 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:10.920 close to it came down to the bridge of its mouth. 394 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.599 I saw that, and I looked right into its face, 395 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:21.480 and you know, interesting enough, I told our mutual friend 396 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:23.759 that one time. I said, yeah, it's teeth a flat 397 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:28.519 I would assumed if it was a primate that it 398 00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:31.279 would have like chip like teeth with flat well with 399 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:38.359 pointy canines. It did not. And so I'm like, yeah, 400 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:42.240 this is this can't be, you know to me, You know, 401 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.599