Speaker 1: I'm driving and driving get west of San Sabah, driving
Speaker 1: along and I remember there's a spot there where there's
Speaker 1: a big tree on the side of the way, and
Speaker 1: I saw something black moving a little bit. I thought,
Speaker 1: what is that cow? And all of a sudden, this
Speaker 1: thing stands up. I'm not a little guy. This thing's
Speaker 1: arms are bigger around the both of my legs each
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well what, And of course it's scared
Speaker 1: the daylights out of me. I went from staring at
Speaker 1: my at my radio to looking up at this thing
Speaker 1: that's lit up my my bright headlights and it's right there,
Speaker 1: not fifteen feet off the road, and I watched it
Speaker 1: as it went by. It scared the daylights out of me.
Speaker 1: And I went from being kind of sleeping too wide
Speaker 1: freaking awake. Right there.
Speaker 2: This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt, and joining
Speaker 2: me is Randy. Randy is someone that I have talked
Speaker 2: to on and off over the years, and I was
Speaker 2: trying to think earlier, I don't remember a time in
Speaker 2: the online Bigfoot community where I didn't know of you.
Speaker 2: You have been around for a really long time and
Speaker 2: kind of a neighbor down there in Texas, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how did this whole thing get started for you?
Speaker 1: We had a mutual friend who really got me off
Speaker 1: center to start looking at things that I have seen
Speaker 1: in my life, and it made me realize these things
Speaker 1: that I've seen and kind of dismissed in my life
Speaker 1: may have some validity. There may be certain things that
Speaker 1: are real about them. And I guess it all started
Speaker 1: back in the early mid early to mid seventies. I
Speaker 1: was a young kid. I wanted to go hunting so
Speaker 1: bad with my dad. Didn't know how to shoot, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to be out there with dad. You know
Speaker 1: how that goes. Yeah, And in Central Texas where I'm from,
Speaker 1: it get used to get really cold before dawn, especially
Speaker 1: right at the first dear season, so it's freezing and everything.
Speaker 1: And Dad finally agreed, Yeah, come on, we'll go along.
Speaker 1: So where we were was West Winterstate thirty five. My
Speaker 1: grandfather had a ranch out there, and I went with
Speaker 1: Dad and we got there around three am, and I
Speaker 1: was all excited. The stars were real bright, it was clear,
Speaker 1: so you knew it was going to be really cold,
Speaker 1: but I was with Dad, That's all that mattered. And
Speaker 1: went to my grandfather's ranch we met with my cousins
Speaker 1: and my uncle who ran the place, and they took
Speaker 1: us in this old pickup. You know, we always have
Speaker 1: to have that one old ranch truck. We went way,
Speaker 1: We went way out in the back of this place.
Speaker 1: And this is a little south of the town called
Speaker 1: Salado and north of a town called Georgetown, and we're
Speaker 1: probably ten twelve miles west of inter State thirty five.
Speaker 1: Very wooded oak country, the Salado Ranch, No, not the
Speaker 1: slater for the slat Oak Creek actually runs through that property.
Speaker 1: And Dad and I were signed to a tree stand,
Speaker 1: which is like a big treehouse went up in this
Speaker 1: big oak tree there. So we were sitting there and
Speaker 1: I was all excited, and Dad and I were sitting
Speaker 1: in their tongue and it was cold. It was really cold,
Speaker 1: and I'm not good in the cold. I never had
Speaker 1: either twenties. It was not for me. And you know
Speaker 1: that's pretty cold for us. You guys in Oklahoma get
Speaker 1: it even a little colder. Well, we're sitting there and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the stars, and I was around five am.
Speaker 1: I clearly heard a woman screaming and this went on
Speaker 1: and on, and I looked at my Dad. I said Dad,
Speaker 1: what's that? What's that thing? What is that? Because what
Speaker 1: I'd forgotten Dad was a combat vet from World War Two.
Speaker 1: His hearing was shot. He had more than fifty percent
Speaker 1: of it gone. And I'm listening to that and it's
Speaker 1: creeping me out, and I'm like, well, I've heard foxes
Speaker 1: squealed by that point, but I'd never heard this. This
Speaker 1: was clearly a woman screaming, and she was less than
Speaker 1: one hundred yards away, and you know, when it's cold,
Speaker 1: sound carries really well. She may have been a little
Speaker 1: it may have been a little bit more, but this
Speaker 1: was going on and on more miles from anywhere. The
Speaker 1: Salona ranch is butts up to this property, and that's
Speaker 1: ten thousand plus acres. There's nothing out there anyhow, so
Speaker 1: what is that? Oh, that's strange. Well, not realizing, not
Speaker 1: having been out that much, it was dead that morning.
Speaker 1: Nobody got a deer except one of my cousins. There
Speaker 1: was one little buck that got out in this probably
Speaker 1: five ten acre clearing that was in front of us,
Speaker 1: and my cousins got him, but he didn't move. He
Speaker 1: stayed right out in the middle. After that's well, that
Speaker 1: scream before you know the screaming had ended close to dawn,
Speaker 1: and so it went on thirty maybe forty minutes, wow,
Speaker 1: on and off it went on a long time. Foxes
Speaker 1: don't squeal like that. Let's go a little bit. Then
Speaker 1: they'll get scared and run a way. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's that? You know? That was weird? And I told
Speaker 1: that about it. He said, Son, I just can't hear it.
Speaker 1: I said, I understand, and so I went to my
Speaker 1: cousins and I asked him and one of them said, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything. I went to the other one.
Speaker 1: This is one I really trust and really like him,
Speaker 1: and I said, Andy, I shouldn't said his name, but
Speaker 1: what doesn't matter. I said, what was that? He kind
Speaker 1: of looked down and he said about foxes make all
Speaker 1: kind of strange noises. So Andy, that wasn't a fox.
Speaker 1: I know better. I've been out with them hunting and things,
Speaker 1: so I knew what what it sounded like. Plus they
Speaker 1: were pretty rare out there. You didn't see him very much.
Speaker 1: So I just kind of filed that off in the
Speaker 1: in the uh, in the bin of strange things, right,
Speaker 1: And it was just one of those weird things.
Speaker 2: Did the screaming, move any here or was it just
Speaker 2: always from the same spot.
Speaker 1: It was from the same spot now, from the same spot.
Speaker 2: That had that had been pretty scary.
Speaker 1: Well, we're sitting there with a couple of high powered
Speaker 1: hunting rifles and I'm with my dad, so that made
Speaker 1: everything just just fine. There was no problems. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, your imagination can run away with you, and
Speaker 1: being who I am and what to do, I try
Speaker 1: to not let my imagination run away with me because
Speaker 1: it's part of what I do. But I'm like, that
Speaker 1: was really strange. And I asked my uncle about it,
Speaker 1: and he just said, now, nothing interesting things about that property.
Speaker 1: My other cousin, ma'am. When he was out there, this
Speaker 1: guy was constantly down looking for signs of things moving,
Speaker 1: looking for anything moving, and he's quiet, don't move, Mike.
Speaker 1: If we're just gonna took some white tailed deer or
Speaker 1: maybe some quail, or see a roadrunner, that's no big ye.
Speaker 1: Occasional turkeys, that's one thing. But he was always really
Speaker 1: cautious out there. And the land is still and it's
Speaker 1: in their family name now, but I often wonder because
Speaker 1: there's so much it's open from there. All the way
Speaker 1: back into the Texas hill country, a good fifty sixty
Speaker 1: miles to the west, and there have been some reports
Speaker 1: out that way, and I wonder, you know, after becoming
Speaker 1: more aware and finally admitting to myself that, you know,
Speaker 1: this was pretty strange, I needed, you know, I just
Speaker 1: it was just really strange. Man. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to describe it, but that other cousin was always on
Speaker 1: the high alert when we were out there, and he
Speaker 1: was always armed, even when it wasn't dear season, he
Speaker 1: always had something with him. So well, I grew up,
Speaker 1: went through high school, started on college in Central Texas,
Speaker 1: and the next event happened. And I actually can pin
Speaker 1: down the actual date that this one was. We were
Speaker 1: on Christmas break and my friend Eddie I think it
Speaker 1: was him, was fun. He had to study because his
Speaker 1: semester actually picked up it finished right after the first
Speaker 1: of the year, and he said, well, let's go for
Speaker 1: a movie. Okay. So we're standing around at my parents'
Speaker 1: house in Central Texas and all of a sudden we
Speaker 1: started hearing helicopters. Well, we hear a lot of helicopters
Speaker 1: over there, the big twin rotors. Chinook's things like that.
Speaker 1: You hear those things and the what do they call them,
Speaker 1: the the cobras, You would hear those, but there weren't
Speaker 1: even apaches out yet. They hadn't even been introduced. The
Speaker 1: m one tanks had just been reduced are introduced out there.
Speaker 1: But that's thirty miles west for where we lived. And well,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of them coming over, a couple more,
Speaker 1: and then a couple more, and I'm going, what is
Speaker 1: going on? They often had an exercise that time of
Speaker 1: year where they would train the soldiers. You say, I
Speaker 1: kind of dismissed this thing as logically as possible. Well,
Speaker 1: they just, you know, get nine times out of ten,
Speaker 1: it's always the most common. Well, before it was over,
Speaker 1: it was at least twenty of these things went by,
Speaker 1: and smaller ones too, the little hughes, five hundreds. We
Speaker 1: all went outside, myself and my two friends Eddie and Brian,
Speaker 1: and we looked in the last four or five of
Speaker 1: these things are all headed down to the southeast, and
Speaker 1: I thought that was weird. So we went to the movies.
Speaker 1: That gave me much more thought. Well, guess what. In
Speaker 1: the next couple of days, a big news came out
Speaker 1: down here near where I live now, a little to
Speaker 1: the east of me, a couple of elderly ladies and
Speaker 1: their grandson were driving in a car and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, a large UFO came down right over the
Speaker 1: road and was hovering there. This is called the cash
Speaker 1: Landrum incident. The days line up perfectly, and they said,
Speaker 1: twin rotor helicopters came around and escorted this thing away.
Speaker 1: Those three all suffered, and the two women may have
Speaker 1: actually died of radiation burns. The boy not so bad.
Speaker 1: He's still alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that story. I think it was like
Speaker 2: actually on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries once.
Speaker 1: It sure was, and on UFO Hunters, and I go, god,
Speaker 1: I saw those helicopters that night.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, well, UFOs, I could kind of go, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe there's something out there. Maybe it was just something
Speaker 1: we didn't know what it was, or they didn't know
Speaker 1: what it was. And being in my technologically oriented career,
Speaker 1: I had an interest in military aviation. But that matched
Speaker 1: nothing that we've seen. I can take you to that
Speaker 1: general area right now. I know where it is that
Speaker 1: actually gone over there and looked around and it's interesting,
Speaker 1: but it's one of those big unknowns. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: well that was pretty much it that night. I didn't
Speaker 1: see anything else, and I never saw those helicopters come back.
Speaker 1: This is where it starts getting interesting. Many years had
Speaker 1: passed by and I was in my oh, I guess
Speaker 1: I was in my twenties now, maybe five six seven
Speaker 1: years later. It was spring break. I was with a
Speaker 1: friend and another friend came by and he said, I'm
Speaker 1: going out to West Texas. I want to see these
Speaker 1: Marpha lights. Oh cool, I've I've heard of them. Well,
Speaker 1: my friend Brian was with me and Paul and said,
Speaker 1: let's go. So you know it's a Texas is a
Speaker 1: big place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is. It takes forever to get anywhere.
Speaker 1: It is shorter to have a guy drive down from
Speaker 1: Sanford from Chicago to Dallas to do service work than
Speaker 1: it is to send someone from I'll passo back and
Speaker 1: we're three quarters of the way to all passover and well,
Speaker 1: you know, young twenty something kids, a bunch of college kids,
Speaker 1: or I was already out by this time. I said sure,
Speaker 1: let's go. So we got we take off, We drive
Speaker 1: all day. We go to one of the swapfests that
Speaker 1: I mentioned later on in here, and well we get
Speaker 1: to Marfa, Texas, we negotiated with the guys for a
Speaker 1: cheaper room than we all just you know, like guys.
Speaker 1: We just crashed out there and we were retired and said, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go out. Let's see if we find these Marpha lights.
Speaker 1: We go out there, we're sitting there. Lookye, we got
Speaker 1: two engineers in an accountant sitting out there looking at
Speaker 1: these things. And we're like, oh, wait a minute, and
Speaker 1: I got my binoculars out. We're seeing three of these
Speaker 1: bright lights move off in the distance, so we haven't
Speaker 1: moved back. Some red lights go the other. Pretty soon
Speaker 1: we realized those were the lights on the Presidio Highway
Speaker 1: and we started laughing, going, no, this is a bunch
Speaker 1: of crap. And I'm sitting there and I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is really nothing. And you know, Paul was We
Speaker 1: did a few time exposure photos. You know, that's always fun,
Speaker 1: and you know, it looked pretty good. What I didn't
Speaker 1: know was that area right there where you go with
Speaker 1: the viewing area that used to be a military base
Speaker 1: a long time ago. You can still see it on
Speaker 1: Google Earth where all the foundations were. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that it's an interesting factory. Well, I thought, okay, that's
Speaker 1: pretty neat. And so we're getting ready to go back
Speaker 1: to Hotewn and I looked over and this. You remember
Speaker 1: those really blue hid headlights, bluish, whitish ones, of course,
Speaker 1: not the LEDs the kids all have. Back then those
Speaker 1: were rare. Well, there was something really bright right straight
Speaker 1: down towards southern Marfa, right there. But we're ten twelve
Speaker 1: miles out of down over a hill and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the heck is that. I'm my drinking, that's nothing,
Speaker 1: that's nothing. I go, no, No, that's something right there.
Speaker 1: And it flickers and it stayed pretty stationary, and I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, check it out. Well, guess what that
Speaker 1: was the real thing? And I actually saw them. Wow,
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no idea what that was that. I mean,
Speaker 1: if it was someone with a headlight playing around, they
Speaker 1: just spent thousands of dollars to pull a prank, because
Speaker 1: in those days, those headlights were like two thousand dollars
Speaker 1: options on your Lincolns or your Mercedes. And I mean
Speaker 1: now it's common, no problem, but back then that was
Speaker 1: something to see. I got to see him on the
Speaker 1: very first time I ever went out to look for him.
Speaker 1: Have been out there since. I never saw him again.
Speaker 1: They say they're still there, but it's a funny flickering light,
Speaker 1: and they say they moved. But now this one sort
Speaker 1: of just stayed in one spot and flickered at us.
Speaker 1: And as we drove back towards Marfa, I kept watching it.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the Santa Fe tracts are and
Speaker 1: right by there, and you could tell the difference between
Speaker 1: Santa Fe train, that big halogen incandescent light versus this
Speaker 1: blue thing, completely different, and it was a fascinating thing.
Speaker 1: Time passed and in my thirties and the job I
Speaker 1: had really wasn't a lot of fun, and so honestly
Speaker 1: it was terrible, and I was bored to death and
Speaker 1: really wasn't a great place for me to be. Well.
Speaker 1: I take it some time off and I was going
Speaker 1: to go out to West Texas and bear in mind,
Speaker 1: I kind of dismissed everything except that Marpha lights up
Speaker 1: to this point, and it's like ninety six. In fact,
Speaker 1: it was April sixteenth, nineteen ninety six, Friday before Saint
Speaker 1: Patrick's Day, and there's a swapfest. I wanted to go
Speaker 1: to out in West Texas in Midland, and I said,
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm gonna just do it, have some fun.
Speaker 1: So loaded up my car, my goodies, and you know,
Speaker 1: took these odds and ends with me and I'm going
Speaker 1: to this thing. I'm going to get out of it,
Speaker 1: get out of town. So I started out of my town,
Speaker 1: drove through Colleen, right by the Fort Hood Base, drove
Speaker 1: on out west and finally you have to make a
Speaker 1: turn to go up to a little town called San Sabbath.
Speaker 1: And I'm not thinking about anything. I'm tired. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: there's got to be something on the radio to listen to,
Speaker 1: you know, Art Bell or something nothing like I said.
Speaker 1: Texas is a big place and you can go for
Speaker 1: miles without having anything to listen to. Who's you could
Speaker 1: in those days. And I'm driving and driving, get west
Speaker 1: of San Saba, driving along, drop down over the cop
Speaker 1: I believe it was the San Saba River Bridge. I
Speaker 1: thought it was Colorado. I think it's San Saba. And
Speaker 1: I come back up and I remember there's a spot
Speaker 1: there where there's a big tree on the side of
Speaker 1: the way, right close to the right away and I
Speaker 1: saw something black moving a little bit. I thought, why
Speaker 1: is that cow? And all of a sudden, this thing
Speaker 1: stands out and I can see more of an ape
Speaker 1: like face, huge arms. Matt, I'm not a little guy.
Speaker 1: This thing's arms are bigger around than both of my legs.
Speaker 1: Each it stands up and it's almost like noo, get
Speaker 1: out of here, and I well, what, And of course
Speaker 1: it's scared that daylights out of me. I went from
Speaker 1: staring at my at my radio to looking up at
Speaker 1: this thing that's lit up by my bright headlights and
Speaker 1: it's right there, not fifteen feet off the road. And
Speaker 1: I watched it as it went by. Now your headlights
Speaker 1: fade out, but there's still just a little light left,
Speaker 1: and I washed it and I swerved. Scared the daylights
Speaker 1: out of me, and I went from being kind of
Speaker 1: sleeping too wide freaking awake. Right there. I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I didn't know what to think. I hit
Speaker 1: my brake lights because you know, they had those big
Speaker 1: red brake lights up on the top of the rear
Speaker 1: windshield rear last didn't see anything, but you know, it
Speaker 1: was a little off the road, and I looked back
Speaker 1: and I was like, what the hell? And I looked around.
Speaker 1: It's two forty five in the morning. I remember I
Speaker 1: looked at the time, I was like and I thought
Speaker 1: maybe I should turn around and go see what that was.
Speaker 1: Was that a prank? Was that a Was that a hoax?
Speaker 1: I mean, man, that thing had to be ten feet
Speaker 1: tall and half that I mean at least I couldn't
Speaker 1: actually see anything below its needs. The lights didn't shine
Speaker 1: that well. And then it was out of the lights,
Speaker 1: the edge of the lights of the car, but it
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 2: This is West Texas, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Western central Texas. You can look down on a map
Speaker 1: San Saba and you'll see the San Saba River just
Speaker 1: on the west and I think it's Highway thirty six.
Speaker 2: What kind of terrain is this?
Speaker 1: Rolling prairie, rocky, a lot of granite and rock, but
Speaker 1: a lot of oak forest. That's where all the Texans
Speaker 1: like to have their gear property at. They'll go lease
Speaker 1: out there because there's tons of white tale out there,
Speaker 1: tons of jack rabbits, lots of turkey. And yeah, it's
Speaker 1: rolling prairie and small forest. Well, looking later on, just
Speaker 1: up and beyond where we were, there's a pecan orchard there. Really,
Speaker 1: I didn't know it, but I looked, But I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't within a quarter mile from there at least
Speaker 1: one hundred acres of the coond trees. And in the
Speaker 1: early year, early time like that, maybe there were things
Speaker 1: out there it could forage.
Speaker 2: And this was in the river bottom.
Speaker 1: No, it was above the river bottom. We're coming up.
Speaker 1: We're up on about where that. You know that is
Speaker 1: not a canyon type river, it's more just a as
Speaker 1: natural It just sort of a slow depression. And as
Speaker 1: you get to the top on the western side right.
Speaker 2: There, did you see any like eyeshine or anything.
Speaker 1: No, the eyes were large and dark, solid black, solid black.
Speaker 1: I could kind of make out that there were eyes there,
Speaker 1: but I did not see any eye shine. Also, I
Speaker 1: didn't smell anything. But remember I'm driving at highway speed
Speaker 1: right and I'm going by about fifty six sixty fifty
Speaker 1: guys sixty miles an hour. I'm like, what on earth?
Speaker 1: And it had I could see its fingers because you
Speaker 1: know how if you were to get up and shoot
Speaker 1: something away from you with your hand, that's kind of
Speaker 1: what it was doing to me.
Speaker 2: Like it did that gesture.
Speaker 1: Like that with both arms, go away, like get out
Speaker 1: of here, and I'm like, what the That's not supposed
Speaker 1: to be there at this point in my life that
Speaker 1: if anything, if this at all, was somewhere in northern
Speaker 1: California on the West coast. You know, I had no
Speaker 1: idea we had these things around here.
Speaker 2: I mean, was it even something that like you had
Speaker 2: looked into or were interested in?
Speaker 1: Not at all. I mean, if there was a bigfoot
Speaker 1: show on TV, yes I would watch it. Those were fun,
Speaker 1: But it was the farthest thing from my mind. Ye know,
Speaker 1: I'll face it. I'm an engineer. I think about real things, numbers, odds, percentages.
Speaker 1: I don't That's not something I would be looking for.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this just it couldn't be. It couldn't
Speaker 1: have been that. I immediately dismissed it. All day long,
Speaker 1: I kept saying I did not see that, Matt. My
Speaker 1: heart didn't slow down till I got to the other
Speaker 1: side of Texas. I had nightmares from that. You know.
Speaker 1: It was like, let's ask South some hallucinations. Hallucinations don't
Speaker 1: cause you to have nightmares, Yeah, you know, they don't.
Speaker 1: You know, it's do you might relive the situation. I
Speaker 1: never have never wanted to.
Speaker 2: Were you able to get a look at its face?
Speaker 1: Pretty good? Yeah, almost chimp like, chimp like large teeth.
Speaker 1: I couldn't say exact color hair. Most of the face
Speaker 1: was covered with hair except around the mouth slightly. You
Speaker 1: know how chimps have a slightly bulging mouth. Right, The
Speaker 1: nose was not a chip nose. It was partially bridged
Speaker 1: like ours, but almost flat up and down are real
Speaker 1: close to it came down to the bridge of its mouth.
Speaker 1: I saw that, and I looked right into its face,
Speaker 1: and you know, interesting enough, I told our mutual friend
Speaker 1: that one time. I said, yeah, it's teeth a flat
Speaker 1: I would assumed if it was a primate that it
Speaker 1: would have like chip like teeth with flat well with
Speaker 1: pointy canines. It did not. And so I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this can't be, you know to me, You know,
Speaker 1: when you're suddenly confronted with something that's real. Every bit
Speaker 1: is real, as you know, the the walls on your house,
Speaker 1: but you try to deny it. Well, it was medium
Speaker 1: lenk hair, not long string, fairly well kept from what
Speaker 1: I remember, and uh again, its arms are huge. The
Speaker 1: head did not protrude far above the shoulders. It seemed
Speaker 1: like it like maybe the tops of the shoulders met
Speaker 1: its neck or something, because it's not like a human
Speaker 1: where our head sticks freely up above. It was down
Speaker 1: like fifty percent lower where it would be down more
Speaker 1: in between the shoulder plays. But it was there.
Speaker 2: He said, you got to look at its fingers. What
Speaker 2: did its hands look like?
Speaker 1: Big? Have you ever seen like those old farmers up
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma? They had those big, wide sausages fingers. Okay,
Speaker 1: the big old fingers, you know, when they weren't on
Speaker 1: the farm, they were playing football on Friday nights. That's
Speaker 1: the kind of fingers. This thing had thumbs and all
Speaker 1: huge and that I recall that there wasn't as much
Speaker 1: hair on the hands from what I remembered, and it
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, so it's yeah. And then
Speaker 1: mostly black. The belly might have been a slightly lighter
Speaker 1: shade of black, it seemed like, but it was black.
Speaker 2: Didn't have any sort of facial expression.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked like it was pissed off. Mouth was
Speaker 1: wide open and it was I mean, you could see
Speaker 1: that that thing had a mouth as white as my head,
Speaker 1: and it was it was it looked pissed. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I disturbed, it eating a deer it had
Speaker 1: found or caught, or maybe it just didn't want to
Speaker 1: see me, or I hear some just enjoy scaring people.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't have enough. I've never
Speaker 1: been out in the field looking for one of these things,
Speaker 1: not really, And it was, you know it. It looked,
Speaker 1: as best I could tell, as like, shoot, get out
Speaker 1: of here. Was about the kind of impression I got
Speaker 1: from it. But it looked like it was pissed.
Speaker 2: As you processed all this, I mean, did you reach
Speaker 2: the conclusion like, oh my god, I just saw a bigfoot, Matt.
Speaker 1: I knew exactly what it was the moment I laid
Speaker 1: eyes on it, but I dismissed it. And I'm a
Speaker 1: little ashamed to admit that I they don't exist here,
Speaker 1: and they may not exist at all. That's the thought
Speaker 1: I had right then and there, and honestly I was wrong.
Speaker 1: I did see that thing, and it was it. I
Speaker 1: just didn't really know that they were around in Texas.
Speaker 1: It had never been brought out or pointed out that
Speaker 1: this was a possibility. And now over the years I
Speaker 1: kind of came more of a realization about that rationalized. Basically,
Speaker 1: I tried to put it as far behind me as possible.
Speaker 1: I did not see that I'm imagining things. Maybe I
Speaker 1: was tired. I think I was. But maybe I was tired.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's whatever didn't happen, and that's the way I
Speaker 1: treated it. Unfortunately. I went to my event out in Midland.
Speaker 1: I had a good time. But I mean all day long,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it all day long, that that wasn't normal.
Speaker 1: That wasn't you know, half asleep dreaming something.
Speaker 2: So when was it that it kind of came full
Speaker 2: circle for you and you decided that you were going
Speaker 2: to start looking into this.
Speaker 1: Well it came after my next event out in California,
Speaker 1: and that's when I sat there and I talked with
Speaker 1: our late friend about that. I guess it's okay to
Speaker 1: use his name. Well, we talked about it. I I
Speaker 1: talked to him about it, and he said, oh, we're
Speaker 1: looking around here. Those things aren't here if they're if
Speaker 1: they're around at all, And he goes, oh, there is
Speaker 1: more more to this story. By the way, you know,
Speaker 1: they often say there's strange lights in this guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I kept driving, and you know, I've gotten a
Speaker 1: little ahead of myself. But I kept driving, and you
Speaker 1: know how when a piece of space junk burns up,
Speaker 1: you get that green fireball. This wasn't what it was.
Speaker 1: This kind of looked like a piece of cable, but
Speaker 1: it was miles long because it covered forty five degrees
Speaker 1: up in the sky, maybe a little less me thirty
Speaker 1: to forty degrees. I'm even looking. Was moving to the
Speaker 1: west and it looked like it was burning up in
Speaker 1: the sky and it just disappeared, and I go, what
Speaker 1: the heck was that saw it? Within thirty minutes of
Speaker 1: me seeing that thing?
Speaker 2: And it was like a line.
Speaker 1: Imagine you have a steel cable, you throw it horizontally,
Speaker 1: So how you figure out way throw it horizontally? Well,
Speaker 1: it's not going to stay straight even we have back
Speaker 1: smoops and curves. But it's bright green, like it's burning
Speaker 1: up in the sky. And that thing moved from the
Speaker 1: east over the top of my car on beyond it. It
Speaker 1: was high, and I was like, oh my god, what
Speaker 1: the hell was that? Never No one had any idea back.
Speaker 1: Another friend of mine I met at the swaps that
Speaker 1: day said he saw that because he was coming up
Speaker 1: from Austin. He was running parallel to me and saw it,
Speaker 1: so it was high and I was like, wow.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, how long do you think it was?
Speaker 1: It had to be miles long. If it was burning
Speaker 1: up in the atmosphere, Matt that they had to be
Speaker 1: ten twelve miles long, maybe more. Just remember when things
Speaker 1: burn up in the atmosphere, they're at about thirty five
Speaker 1: to fifty miles up, really good, thirty five miles up,
Speaker 1: so where they really get big. Well, if you think
Speaker 1: about it from the ground in the angle, this thing
Speaker 1: was there in the sky and moving. It was like
Speaker 1: a long cable or something. Maybe something fell off the
Speaker 1: Space Shuttle or something. It was flying back then. It
Speaker 1: wasn't in the.
Speaker 2: Air that I know, I mean, but it wouldn't be
Speaker 2: miles long.
Speaker 1: No, And unless they had some kind of strange experiment,
Speaker 1: I really don't know what that was. And it had
Speaker 1: that bright green shine, right green light like space junk
Speaker 1: burning up. Didn't make any sound that I could hear,
Speaker 1: and it was pretty cool out that morning. I had
Speaker 1: the windows up for the most part, but just moved
Speaker 1: across the sky and it was gone.
Speaker 2: Green usually denotes copper, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Green denotes copper or titanium sometimes, but definitely copper. Alloys.
Speaker 1: Copper alloys are commonly used in aerospace equipment because they
Speaker 1: dissipate heat very well. They also surprising the amount of
Speaker 1: surprising amount of strength to metal such as iron. That's
Speaker 1: why the old days they made swords out of bronze.
Speaker 1: So it was a it was one of those things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but most of your space, jenk is that same color.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't look like that.
Speaker 2: Was it moving any sort of like angle compared to
Speaker 2: the ground or anything, or just straight down.
Speaker 1: It wasn't coming straight down and moved across like. It
Speaker 1: just moved cross and off towards the horizon and faded out,
Speaker 1: probably a good two to three seconds. I saw it
Speaker 1: before it disappeared.
Speaker 2: And the shape of it again.
Speaker 1: Was irregular, like uneven. It was. It wasn't You couldn't
Speaker 1: see anything other than it was a line that kind
Speaker 1: of had bows in it. Little like imagine you throw
Speaker 1: a steel a thin steel cable out on the ground.
Speaker 1: It's chances are isn't going to loop or anything. It's
Speaker 1: just gonna lay out, but it's gonna have a little
Speaker 1: waves in it. Yeah, once it's the ground. Something like that.
Speaker 1: Very strange and unfortunately, I'm I'm i am cursed with
Speaker 1: a very good memory, and I'm a pretty good observer.
Speaker 1: Not right, but you know, I'm not professionally trained, but
Speaker 1: I see things.
Speaker 2: I'll just tell you where my mind's going.
Speaker 1: Go ahead tell me.
Speaker 2: So recently, I read an article that, I mean, it
Speaker 2: was on some major news outlet website, but I ran
Speaker 2: across it several places after I read it about a
Speaker 2: group of employees at Red Rock Event Center in Colorado
Speaker 2: who had observed a UFO in broad daylight. And it
Speaker 2: was like a dozen people saw it all at once.
Speaker 2: And it was this situation where I believe it's an
Speaker 2: amphitheater where they work. They were outdoor, some outdoor venue
Speaker 2: and they somebody noticed there's this huge object in the sky.
Speaker 2: And I want to say, it was like the size
Speaker 2: they were talking about was like a mile wide or
Speaker 2: something something crazy. And according to the article, it was
Speaker 2: like whenever they noticed it and started looking at it,
Speaker 2: it started flying off and instead of eventually hitting a
Speaker 2: vanishing point, they all say that this thing just basically
Speaker 2: turned invisible, like it just went clear and they couldn't
Speaker 2: see it anymore. And so like, I'm hearing what you're saying,
Speaker 2: and I'm wondering if something did have that type of
Speaker 2: technology or ability to cloak itself and be invisible, what
Speaker 2: would it look like entering the airth's atmosphere. Like, that's
Speaker 2: a good Could that have been like the outer edge
Speaker 2: of some sort of vessel or something.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. And where else to do it
Speaker 1: other than well out well out over West Texas is
Speaker 1: nothing occasional military.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whether there ain't nobody around.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and I mean nobody for miles. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm fifty sixty miles away from Fort Hood
Speaker 1: at that point at at least, and I'm further west
Speaker 1: of that even now, west of where I saw the
Speaker 1: thing on the side of the road. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good point.
Speaker 2: And there's so many reports of stuff happening around military basis,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Lots of them. The the thing about it is that
Speaker 1: if that were like the very the pointy edge is
Speaker 1: something that would make sense. I mean, your high altitude
Speaker 1: high speed ex planes, they all their edges of their
Speaker 1: wings would get red hot Field X fifteens, the F
Speaker 1: one o fours, their edges could get red hot they
Speaker 1: were moving so fast. And of course the blackbird, which
Speaker 1: I always wished I could have gotten to see fly
Speaker 1: that never did. Yeah, it's very possible.
Speaker 2: Or just something weird falling into the atmosphere. Who knows,
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean they maybe they uncorked the line somewhere from
Speaker 1: the space station or space.
Speaker 2: But I mean it's just very coincidental that you happen
Speaker 2: to see it right at that moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just after I'd seen the other thing. And that's
Speaker 1: you know, weird things happen. Okay, moving on. I did
Speaker 1: try to just dismiss everything. It's just happenstance something and whatever.
Speaker 1: Well it's nineteen ninety nine. I moved to Houston, finished
Speaker 1: my second run through college. I was doing really well,
Speaker 1: very happy, fun job doing, working with Iconic Instrumentation. And
Speaker 1: I'm talking with our friend Low and he starts telling
Speaker 1: me that he's doing this research up in Oklahoma and
Speaker 1: down here in Texas in different places. And I told him,
Speaker 1: now I'm not here. Well, we talked and we talked.
Speaker 1: We talked about it for quite a while, and I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's something. He says, No, no, there is.
Speaker 1: He starts telling me about an image he had about
Speaker 1: something that was out in the field he'd gotten with
Speaker 1: that flair he built, and I tried to magnify it
Speaker 1: as much as I could. But it's only a few
Speaker 1: pixels wide, and I said, just moves, and it's moving
Speaker 1: fairly quickly across there. We never did figure out what
Speaker 1: that was. And finally, after we talked and we went
Speaker 1: through a lot of things, and he was showing me
Speaker 1: a lot of the online community they put community and
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, Lo, we need to talk about something.
Speaker 1: And I told him about it. He said, what you
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I think so I called him where. Well,
Speaker 1: we talked about it at length, and finally he introduced
Speaker 1: me to one of the local community leaders down here.
Speaker 1: And this was the weekend that uh, I can think
Speaker 1: of in time that there was some other things going on,
Speaker 1: and I hung out with him that day and we
Speaker 1: talked that the lines pretty interesting, and well, I started
Speaker 1: coming around at that point, Matt. I started thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe this shouldn't be dismissed so readily. Well, I had
Speaker 1: an assignment in California outside of Bakersfield, and I went
Speaker 1: out there to go up to go out there and
Speaker 1: work on some stuff for a pipeline out there. Well,
Speaker 1: this one Thursday, they said, oh, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: have a safety stand down. I said, well, can I
Speaker 1: come to the safety meetings now? No, you just go.
Speaker 1: You're free, Okay, you just go, okay. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was a basically a contract engineer for him through
Speaker 1: the company I was working for him, and at the
Speaker 1: time I decided I was going to be mister nature photographer.
Speaker 1: And so I got my best lenses and everything, and
Speaker 1: I was using a film camera. And even though digital's route,
Speaker 1: I didn't think they quite had the performance of what
Speaker 1: I could do with my film camera. They didn't at
Speaker 1: that time. So I've gone wandering around taking pictures of
Speaker 1: California poppies blooming and various things, and amazing matt birds
Speaker 1: never sit still. The moment you point your lens at them,
Speaker 1: they fly off. I've gained a great deal of to
Speaker 1: have respect for the guys who sit there for hours
Speaker 1: to get just the right shot. I ended up wandering
Speaker 1: further and further up to the north, I guess northeast
Speaker 1: of Bakersfield. I went up a road called Colliente Road.
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of neat, gribbed around back there,
Speaker 1: and finally I said, man, this is they're like redwood
Speaker 1: trees up here. They're not the giants, but they're really
Speaker 1: red bark, big connor conifers type trees. Well, I thought
Speaker 1: this would be good. I bet I'll find some good
Speaker 1: birds up here, Matt. It was still as a tomb.
Speaker 1: I think I saw one, maybe two little birds, and
Speaker 1: they flew off. I'm sitting there. All of a sudden
Speaker 1: I started hearing like something moving through the underbrush making
Speaker 1: some noise, and I'm like, we got us a bear
Speaker 1: up here or something. And I got to listening. I said,
Speaker 1: that's not four legs. And I didn't know at the time.
Speaker 1: Bears are pretty quiet when they move unless they're charging you.
Speaker 1: And this thing has two legs and it's and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is this. Well, I'm here's a little thing of
Speaker 1: the train. I've sent you a picture where I took
Speaker 1: that picture, where I took that picture of that GPS
Speaker 1: unit that is right there, and you can look that
Speaker 1: up if you look on there. There's like a man
Speaker 1: made lake down below there, which wasn't there then, And
Speaker 1: up above there's a new ski set of ski slopes.
Speaker 1: None of that was up there. That was all empty
Speaker 1: forest out there, and there was like some kind of
Speaker 1: a camp or so, it was the church camp or
Speaker 1: something at the end of the road up further and higher,
Speaker 1: but it was pretty high. It was about sixty four
Speaker 1: hundred feet and it's nice and cool up there. It
Speaker 1: felt really good. And this noise, whatever it is that
Speaker 1: is stepping down there, That's when I realized, Matt, it
Speaker 1: wasn't moving. It was just making the noise. And I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, after a little bit, I'm starting to get
Speaker 1: a little unnerved. And we're about ten minutes of this.
Speaker 1: I'm listening and I'm going and I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: with a two hundred millimeter lens down there, which is
Speaker 1: not much, but there's nothing down there that I can
Speaker 1: see through the trees. And it's just getting maybe getting
Speaker 1: a little louder. It doesn't feel like it's getting any closer. Well,
Speaker 1: there was no motors. I didn't hear any kind of engines,
Speaker 1: and I didn't this is starting something Trying to get
Speaker 1: my attention away from looking up the slopes. I turned
Speaker 1: around and looked up the slope. Nothing, nothing that I
Speaker 1: could see. I looked back and forth up there. I
Speaker 1: kept looking up because I'm thinking, if I'm trying to
Speaker 1: distract somebody. I'm going to make noise over there so
Speaker 1: something behind me can move. There was nothing up there.
Speaker 1: Whatever it was was down in that brush, maybe less
Speaker 1: than one hundred yards in the brush, but it was
Speaker 1: making some noise, mad making some serious noise down in there.
Speaker 1: And you know, it was fairly bright outside. I mean,
Speaker 1: the tree cover where I'm at is is heaving out.
Speaker 1: Let's get a picture of how this is. There's a
Speaker 1: road there that's throwing parallel to me, my rent cars
Speaker 1: down there below me. Took to my left a little bit.
Speaker 1: This is straight out in front of me. Whatever's making
Speaker 1: this noise. It's almost a forty degree slope up and
Speaker 1: I'm a hundred feet away from my car up this
Speaker 1: slope and I'm not even maybe a fifth of the
Speaker 1: way to the top, if you will. And there's nothing
Speaker 1: behind me except trees, and they're not that thick. You
Speaker 1: could see through them. Across the road. It got more brushy,
Speaker 1: but there was nothing down there. You could hear it.
Speaker 1: Whatever it was was staying just out and beyond into
Speaker 1: the brush. So I started getting a little nervous about this.
Speaker 1: Something's not right here. I'm getting out of here. So
Speaker 1: I kept my camera up, I looked, moved down, gotten
Speaker 1: into my car, snapped a picture of the GPS I
Speaker 1: know right where this area was, and then I just
Speaker 1: drove away and that was it. That was a weird one.
Speaker 2: Do you think it could see you from its vantage point?
Speaker 1: I think it could. You know. I'm up there in
Speaker 1: a white long slip leave, long sleeve sweatshirt type thing,
Speaker 1: blue jeans, just wearing normal hiking boots. I didn't make
Speaker 1: any any effort to camouflage myself, and it didn't start
Speaker 1: till I went up on that hill.
Speaker 2: And how long was the whole ordeal? Would you estimate?
Speaker 1: Between ten and fifteen minutes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, See, that's just that's weird. That's not how animals
Speaker 2: behave you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: No, I know animal will make some noise twenty seconds
Speaker 1: maybe the most when and it's gone. Yeah, this was
Speaker 1: making noise down there. I think it was trying to
Speaker 1: unnerve me, to get me to leave. Whatever it was,
Speaker 1: it succeeded and I got out of there. And I've
Speaker 1: often wondered about that one. Well, I got back and
Speaker 1: I called my friend, our friend, mutual friend, and I
Speaker 1: started explaining it to him and he said, well, was
Speaker 1: there something behind you? Not that I could see. And
Speaker 1: you know, film photography was a little expensive. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to waste a bunch of shots. But I regret
Speaker 1: not just holding down the shutter and just going through
Speaker 1: twenty exposures really fast, just to see if I caught anything.
Speaker 1: But I didn't. Nowadays, I'm pretty well equipped with digital cameras.
Speaker 1: So if I think you run into that same situation,
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of agree with your assessment of
Speaker 2: the situation. I think it was definitely sort of an
Speaker 2: intimidation thing to try and get you to leave the area.
Speaker 2: Could be a distraction. It might have been a situation
Speaker 2: where I mean, and this is of course just speculation.
Speaker 2: This is bigfoot crossroads, So we're just going to pretend
Speaker 2: that it was a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Amen.
Speaker 2: There could have been a young one was laying down flat,
Speaker 2: staying still, or maybe it wasn't even a young one.
Speaker 2: You might have been right on top of one and
Speaker 2: didn't even realize it.
Speaker 1: You know, there was just enough tree there, trees around.
Speaker 1: You can't really see it good from the picture there
Speaker 1: looking down that road. There was still some snow on
Speaker 1: the ground up there at that time. It's very possible
Speaker 1: that something could have been behind one of those trees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole floor was covered with pine needles. If it's
Speaker 1: close to that color, I might have easily dismissed something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and something else wanted me to get away from it.
Speaker 1: So it was really spooking. Well I get back. I
Speaker 1: talked with my friend Lowell, and he had pretty much
Speaker 1: the same opinion that there was something there and I
Speaker 1: just didn't see it. Had I been more careful and
Speaker 1: looked around, maybe I would have I've seen a little
Speaker 1: one or something laying there. I don't know. As far
Speaker 1: as I can remember, I didn't see anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, it might have been a better situation that
Speaker 2: you didn't see anything.
Speaker 1: You know, that's very true, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, especially if there was like a young one
Speaker 2: and you ended up spotting it and then it knew
Speaker 2: it was spotted, and the other one knew that it
Speaker 2: was spotted, the situation could have changed dramatically in a hurry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. But you know, I had come
Speaker 1: around now to admitting to myself that what I saw,
Speaker 1: in your sense, habit was really and all the noise
Speaker 1: and everything has been going on, you know, that this
Speaker 1: thing out there right there where people see them all
Speaker 1: the time. If you look on the national map from
Speaker 1: the BFRO, that that whole area is just covered with sidings.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wow, okay, that that brings me to
Speaker 1: my last thing, which was not bingfoot related, but I
Speaker 1: might as well throw it. In two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: I was I got home from work and it's time
Speaker 1: to take my two little sheetsuos out, Didget and Shorty.
Speaker 1: They need their little walk. It's overcast and it's gray,
Speaker 1: and you know, I just thought, well, I'll just take
Speaker 1: them off down the driveway and go walking down the
Speaker 1: driveway and they're on their little leashes and they're all
Speaker 1: happy as can be. And get to the end of
Speaker 1: the driveway and I looked up to the to the
Speaker 1: east down my street, and there's this guy standing walking
Speaker 1: up the street. I looked right at him. He's tall,
Speaker 1: very thin, hair on top, big nose, glasses, white shirt,
Speaker 1: white work shirt on, like you know, he had a
Speaker 1: pocket protector I could see, had a long jacket, kind
Speaker 1: of work you know, kind of work slash casual shoes
Speaker 1: and like dockers. I thought, that's kind of strange. Oh well,
Speaker 1: it must be a neighbor. I just sadn't met the dogs,
Speaker 1: didn't notice him, dogs didn't see him. We turned to
Speaker 1: the left and started heading west up the street, up
Speaker 1: the hill, and you know, he was walking pretty quick.
Speaker 1: He was making pretty good strides. I went maybe fifty
Speaker 1: sixty feet and I turned around, Matt there was nothing there. Nothing.
Speaker 1: This was about like five thirty or so in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: and I looked up the head. So I started walking back.
Speaker 1: I turned around with the dogs and where do you go?
Speaker 1: I called my wife. I said, hey, uh, lock the
Speaker 1: front door. There's somebody strange out here. And myself and
Speaker 1: my next door neighbor to the east to that side.
Speaker 1: We didn't have fences in those days. You know, we
Speaker 1: lived out of the country. We didn't care if you're
Speaker 1: dog ran in my yard. Grape, I didn't care. So
Speaker 1: I called her and I said, do you have a
Speaker 1: visitor over? And I described him to her and she's no.
Speaker 1: So she went out and was looking around and I
Speaker 1: said he was right there. I was pointing, and I
Speaker 1: saw the dogs with me. My wife came out and
Speaker 1: I said, there's nobody out of here. So I put
Speaker 1: the dogs in. I walked around the property, walked around
Speaker 1: her property. Nothing, Matt, not a thing. I don't see things.
Speaker 1: Did I just see a ghost? You know? I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's weird. My neighbor over there to the east, she
Speaker 1: thinks I saw a ghost. I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was awfully real. I mean I could even hear
Speaker 1: him walking. You know, you can't tell me talk when
Speaker 1: a hard sol shoes hitting an asphalt pavement. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: nothing there, And there's no way he could have gone
Speaker 1: down to the end because that's over one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty yards to the end. What the ninety return is.
Speaker 1: People across the street have a five foot horse fence.
Speaker 1: The people to the other side of Dead's house, they
Speaker 1: have a horse fence. And it's like, that was weird.
Speaker 2: And I mean, you're in the country. You know everybody,
Speaker 2: you know all your neighbors.
Speaker 1: We know everybody in this I mean, this isn't like
Speaker 1: living in downtown Houston. We know who lives where, and
Speaker 1: we know what kind of dogs they have, we know
Speaker 1: their cat. You know, it's just normal. But it was
Speaker 1: a one of those strange things. I've never seen anything
Speaker 1: like that before and never seen anything like that since.
Speaker 2: No strange vehicles or anything like that.
Speaker 1: None. My street's good, a good half a mile long.
Speaker 1: I could see all the way from one end to another,
Speaker 1: and I could see where it makes that ninety degree
Speaker 1: turn down there, one hundred and twenty yards to the
Speaker 1: east of me. I can see up the hill that's
Speaker 1: right there. So I Fedevid parked anywhere within a quarter mile,
Speaker 1: i'd have seen it. And they couldn't have made it
Speaker 1: to that car. He'd had to been able to run
Speaker 1: faster than a normal human, and we just we'd have
Speaker 1: heard that he's gone.
Speaker 2: And nothing from the dogs. That's also weird.
Speaker 1: Nothing from the dogs. Now, these old dogs are people
Speaker 1: laugh at shetses that are plugging inns. They're pretty perceptive.
Speaker 1: If there's a deer out in the yard, or if
Speaker 1: the Amazon driver comes up. Now once I've gotten out,
Speaker 1: they don't miss the thing. They may go off like
Speaker 1: a siren and bark and howl and everything. They didn't
Speaker 1: say anything to that guy. So you know, it's these
Speaker 1: weird things I've learned. I cannot dismiss this stuff. I've
Speaker 1: got to just keep my eyes open and keep looking,
Speaker 1: because there's more to what we see out here than
Speaker 1: what meets the eye commonly, and I mean, this is
Speaker 1: an additional thing. Thought. I saw UFO once back in
Speaker 1: the in the nineties. This is a funny story. Took
Speaker 1: off after it, and everybody's going to you're crazy. I
Speaker 1: said no. And so this big oval thing at night trying,
Speaker 1: you know, it was moving around. First thing, UFOs don't
Speaker 1: have marker lights red and red and green lights and
Speaker 1: magation lights. I took off and I was chasing this thing,
Speaker 1: and I was zips out and you know, I'd make
Speaker 1: a turn and it would make another turn. And this
Speaker 1: is on the in the countryside north of my Central
Speaker 1: Texas down I finally got oh, I've got you now, man.
Speaker 1: I went down this road and rolled right up underneath
Speaker 1: the Fuji film Blood and I just started laughing and
Speaker 1: I said that was cool. Well then I went I
Speaker 1: figured as he was going to the airport to get
Speaker 1: to get aviation fuel. So I went over there and yeah,
Speaker 1: I I got out there and well here he comes in.
Speaker 1: He had a big red barren mustache and everything's from Austria.
Speaker 1: He was totally cool and he was going to the
Speaker 1: UT football game the next day in Austin, and so
Speaker 1: you know, keep your eyes open. You never know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've been lucky, well you've actually gotten a CD see
Speaker 1: one of these things when you're actually hunting for it,
Speaker 1: and maybe some other things too. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: just for me. I have to always look at the practical,
Speaker 1: but I also have to not dismiss everything. Maybe one
Speaker 1: of these days I will actually get to go out
Speaker 1: and have some fun out there. There was another little
Speaker 1: incident that our friend Lowell and I went to Hanobia
Speaker 1: well after he was gone, and I thought, just for
Speaker 1: the fun of it, I was going to drive down
Speaker 1: that road that goes by the church camp where they
Speaker 1: have to get together. And I'm driving down there and
Speaker 1: I had I had my little digital camera propped up
Speaker 1: on a on a thing and iving slowly down the road.
Speaker 1: Windows are down, and all of a sudden, this god
Speaker 1: awful stink comes through there. Oh crap, No, I think so,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. So I just accelerated on, kept going,
Speaker 1: went on and got back out on the main road.
Speaker 1: I said, I don't think so. And because I know
Speaker 1: that's not far from where those mothers places and they
Speaker 1: still have stuff going on out there.
Speaker 2: The same thing always plays in my head. So here
Speaker 2: we have these situations where it's like different events over
Speaker 2: a long period of time. Yeah, and I know that
Speaker 2: you're a very analytical thinker, but I mean, let's talk statistics.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about probability. I know, what are the odds
Speaker 2: that one person would experience all these things in a lifetime.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm that one person. Have been all over the world.
Speaker 1: I've been all over the United States by car. I
Speaker 1: chose to do that, to go to these different places.
Speaker 1: Because if you've ever seen that silly old movie Secondhand Lions, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a line in there that's precious by the ye,
Speaker 1: by the brother that was paid by I think Michael Caine.
Speaker 1: He goes Texas. Was never big enough for Hope. I
Speaker 1: was never big enough for Randy either, and so I
Speaker 1: had to go see things. I had to go. Look,
Speaker 1: there's got to be something interesting out there. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I traveled a lot the car I had when I
Speaker 1: when I saw that thing out there, and say, Saba
Speaker 1: already had two hundred thousand miles on it, and I
Speaker 1: bought it new. And so when you put yourself out there,
Speaker 1: you get you get a lot of exposure. Something's liable
Speaker 1: to happen. Yeah, those are those are my stories? Also,
Speaker 1: don't dismiss the things you don't understand because just because
Speaker 1: of it, maybe later on you'll go, oh, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: yeah this makes sense, and at least it does to me. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: what are the odds?
Speaker 2: So do you think all these things are connected somehow.
Speaker 1: Other than me being in a lot of different places,
Speaker 1: going a lot of differ places. Now, I don't. I
Speaker 1: just put myself. If you put yourself like where something
Speaker 1: likely to happen, eventually you'll get lucky and something will
Speaker 1: happen or unlucky. And I mean the last one that
Speaker 1: occurred less than one hundred feet from where, well, maybe
Speaker 1: two hundred feet from where I'm sitting right now. Or
Speaker 1: I saw the guy out there California. That was just
Speaker 1: part of my work travels, which took me to forty
Speaker 1: plus states over those years while I was doing that.
Speaker 1: And I think, I just I'm the curious kind. I
Speaker 1: got to go out and go look around. That's the
Speaker 1: only excuse I can make up for it.
Speaker 2: Something about all this stuff. What is a creature like
Speaker 2: a bigfoot like the one you saw doing in West
Speaker 2: Texas and the same thing is in the Pacific Northwest
Speaker 2: and in Florida, yeah, and in the northeast, all these
Speaker 2: different environments, all these different habitats, but they're Oklahoma, yeah,
Speaker 2: and they're seen in all of them.
Speaker 1: Well, my thoughts on it run like this. I started
Speaker 1: looking into the incidents there. Until you get to Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: They're thin, but there's a whole string of sightings down
Speaker 1: that central part of the hill country, right all the
Speaker 1: way down to Fredericksburg. And I have friends that are
Speaker 1: work colleagues, not from the same company I work with.
Speaker 1: They work for a major oil company, and they've got
Speaker 1: dog men's and they're pretty sure there's dogmen down towards
Speaker 1: the Pata down there where it's really scraggly mesquite brush
Speaker 1: and things like that, and there's no shortage of food
Speaker 1: for them down there. And well, I found out that
Speaker 1: he was interested in it. We had we had fun
Speaker 1: talking about that. I have a hard time putting that,
Speaker 1: you know, putting that into a box somewhere. But people
Speaker 1: are seeing something you know, you don't. You're not that
Speaker 1: many people with issues the way they might see. I
Speaker 1: think they see something and they're they're actually not. It's
Speaker 1: I think that, if anything, they're somewhat migratory. They move
Speaker 1: up and down through the more rural areas, sticking primarily
Speaker 1: to water sources or nearby Uh. It's a lot like
Speaker 1: our own hunter gatherer pass UH for the humans. If
Speaker 1: they are out there, they're moving along the known trails
Speaker 1: that they've often used to do what they need. And
Speaker 1: I mean, you get along that Texas Oklahoma border, man,
Speaker 1: that's that is a serious hot spot. And we all
Speaker 1: know what happened at the Big at the Big Indian
Speaker 1: Casino there. They have that video that they saw and
Speaker 1: you know that's and you're talking about getting close to people.
Speaker 1: That's close. And I mean that's a huge building and
Speaker 1: you know it's coming up rating the trash cancer. So
Speaker 1: I'm thinking there may be a relatively small population, but
Speaker 1: it's a relatively active population the real assuming.
Speaker 2: So are you keeping up with any of the UFO stuff?
Speaker 1: Not really. I have heard the latest thing they're now
Speaker 1: calling them the uapsh interesting that military now they haven't
Speaker 1: talked about when they're out there being deployed, all the
Speaker 1: ones that are occurring around the around the US coastline.
Speaker 1: This is I'm going to go back into my logic
Speaker 1: and reasonable side. They're occurring in what's called military operations
Speaker 1: areas moas. When the military goes out there, they're burning
Speaker 1: a lot of gas, they're moving fast, they're doing combat maneuvers,
Speaker 1: but it's a designated area. All of a sudden they
Speaker 1: see something they can't explain, and it's inside their area.
Speaker 1: There are technology that exists that maybe thirty to forty
Speaker 1: years ahead of what they admit to, and it is
Speaker 1: very possible that they are testing things. I had a friend,
Speaker 1: mister Knowles. It won't matter, I haven't seen him in decades.
Speaker 1: He described something happened while he was a soldier in California.
Speaker 1: They were on maneuvers, they were moving as a group.
Speaker 1: He saw this large cylindrical thing basically appear it had
Speaker 1: windows on the side of it. He could see people
Speaker 1: moving around in there, but couldn't make them out, and
Speaker 1: it was just hovering just above their road there, moving
Speaker 1: and then it just faded away. And he and all
Speaker 1: those guys saw it, and they said should we report it,
Speaker 1: and said, oh, hell no, don't. So you know, there
Speaker 1: are things that are going on. Someone knows the answer.
Speaker 1: Will it ever be us? I doubt it. But there
Speaker 1: are things out there that we we don't know about
Speaker 1: are they ours? I suspect that thing that was seen
Speaker 1: down here near us on the cash Lander Minstet was
Speaker 1: one of ours. And if you believe a guy, what
Speaker 1: is that guy's name? He claimed he was a man
Speaker 1: in black for the Air Force. He's got a lot
Speaker 1: of videos. He claims it was viewed one of the pilots.
Speaker 1: It was a reverse engineered foreign or non earthmade vehicle.
Speaker 1: And but it's your say until I can see it proven, right,
Speaker 1: unless you or I see it, I have to question it.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I think if we just keep your
Speaker 1: eyes open, pay attention, that little shadow you thought you
Speaker 1: saw moving around the corner may not have been a
Speaker 1: floater in your eye. That face you saw on the
Speaker 1: other side of the parking lot one night through a flar,
Speaker 1: that was something you saw it. You just have to
Speaker 1: be you have to have firsthand knowledge of it and
Speaker 1: be willing to accept your findings or at least be
Speaker 1: willing to research what you find.
Speaker 2: And if you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or something
Speaker 2: else you can't explain and you'd like to share your story,
Speaker 2: email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check
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Speaker 2: all in one place, and until next time, remember there's
Speaker 2: something in the woods.