Speaker 1: Good evening everybody, and welcome to another Cajun night live
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Speaker 1: a little dishoveled. It's been quite an evening here, and
Speaker 1: I know I say that every time, but like, oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, I had a phone call night related phone
Speaker 1: call that went till about fifteen minutes ago, and I
Speaker 1: realized that it had gone to I was like, ah, hey, brother,
Speaker 1: I gotta go. I got things I gotta do, I
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Speaker 1: life be throwing them curve balls, but we manage and
Speaker 1: we catch them, we field them as we do.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Right here, Raven has thrown up at least one thing
Speaker 1: into the chat from It's an Instagram post from the
Speaker 1: business the Business Magnets.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk's Doge wants to get rid of the penny
Speaker 1: to save taxpayers one hundred and seventy nine million a year.
Speaker 1: Says it costs three cents to produce one. So that's
Speaker 1: something that I've actually heard talked about for quite some time.
Speaker 1: They've been saying that it costs more than a penny
Speaker 1: to make a penny. And if you look at other
Speaker 1: financial and monetary systems across the world, hold the euro
Speaker 1: doesn't have something to that low of a denomination. They
Speaker 1: only go down to like what we would consider the nickel.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be too terribly upset set at Elon's Doze
Speaker 1: doing away with the one cent moniker. That would mean
Speaker 1: that the tax associated with things are like how it's
Speaker 1: like for yourst time, only ten ninety nine, that will
Speaker 1: go to like either ten ninety five or ten ninety
Speaker 1: which or something like that. It will go to the
Speaker 1: five or the ten denomen but I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1: Also on my own personal selfish front, I actually collect
Speaker 1: pennies like in the books and like sealed and like
Speaker 1: actually for coin collecting purposes. I think the most expensive
Speaker 1: one I have in my collection is one from like
Speaker 1: the mid eighteen hundreds, and then I have the ones
Speaker 1: I'm most proud of are probably the pennies I have
Speaker 1: from nineteen forty three that are all made out of
Speaker 1: steel because it was during the war effort and the
Speaker 1: copper was all going to the war, so for one
Speaker 1: year only they minted actual US pennies on steel, and
Speaker 1: I think they're pretty pretty sick. I know I'm biased
Speaker 1: in that, but if Elon was to take away the penny,
Speaker 1: that means my collection just went up in value instantly.
Speaker 1: So I am not personally mad at that, But I mean,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on this, if y'all.
Speaker 4: Have any Well, I'm also in favor of getting rid
Speaker 4: of it. I think it will kind of shock people
Speaker 4: into realizing just how much inflation there's been, and you know,
Speaker 4: people are already aware of it, but I've heard talk
Speaker 4: that is it true, you would know military bases abroad.
Speaker 4: I've heard are their smallest denominations than nickel. Is that true?
Speaker 1: Zombie and hard G feel free to chime in on this.
Speaker 1: Both the are veterans from different regards. Zombie and I
Speaker 1: are Marine Corps veterans. Har G, you're an Army veteran,
Speaker 1: no Air Force Air Force veteran.
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 1: Okay, so actually you would be the guy to ask,
Speaker 1: because Marines, you know, we steal most of what we're
Speaker 1: looking for anyway, for whenever people have money and buy things,
Speaker 1: as they are one to do in the Air Force.
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So I was never PSD over there like I was.
Speaker 5: I was deployed only to UAE like td Y in
Speaker 5: various places, but like most places ran by card. And
Speaker 5: I can even tell you I remember.
Speaker 2: Trying to get the Euro.
Speaker 4: When I was over there.
Speaker 2: Obviously we get in exchange, but besides that, honestly, I
Speaker 2: don't even know that's fair.
Speaker 1: Raven. Do you remember anything of your time of nickel
Speaker 1: slash penny currency?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: I mean I lived in Japan, so like all of
Speaker 6: our money went to yen, so when we like went
Speaker 6: to leave, we could trade it back in and get.
Speaker 7: What we were owed.
Speaker 6: Pretty much and then if we wanted to use money
Speaker 6: in Kirkstian or Afghanistan, we just had to do that.
Speaker 2: So hm.
Speaker 1: And the only real experience I have with it is
Speaker 1: on in the state side of it on different bases,
Speaker 1: because I traveled all up and down the East and
Speaker 1: West coast to different Marine Corps installations, and I remember
Speaker 1: I always loved how at the you know, at the exchanges,
Speaker 1: they never had tax so like, you know, you would
Speaker 1: go get like a cart and of cigarettes. I remember
Speaker 1: back when I was smoking Marlboro Reds like it was
Speaker 1: going out of style, because for the record, it was.
Speaker 1: I remember you could get like a cart and of
Speaker 1: cigarettes for like forty bucks and that was like shit.
Speaker 1: But actually I remember when it finally went to like
Speaker 1: fifty bucks a carton and we were pissed about that.
Speaker 1: I never remember thinking about if the lowest denomination they
Speaker 1: would give it back as a nickel. But I mean,
Speaker 1: there may be some sort of presence to that, Tony,
Speaker 1: And be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I'm also thinking that I barely ever used
Speaker 4: cash anymore, certainly not coins. Most of the time. Everything's
Speaker 4: digital now, so I think most people just don't uh
Speaker 4: most people are the same. So if you don't deal
Speaker 4: with coins that often, you probably don't even notice anymore.
Speaker 1: No coins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Back in the nineties, I remember collecting coins, kind of
Speaker 4: like you, and I had some of the silver nineteen
Speaker 4: forty five pennies, and I had a penny from the
Speaker 4: eighteen nineties and some other odd coins. But yeah, now
Speaker 4: it's like I can't. Yeah, I hardly ever see coins
Speaker 4: anywhere anymore. I feel like an old man now saying back,
Speaker 4: mind we have coins.
Speaker 1: Really, dude. Okay, So my youngest has a cash register
Speaker 1: right which they play store him and my other children,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, that's the thing that's also gone
Speaker 1: by the wayside because everything's self check out these days.
Speaker 1: But I digress, and inside of it there's cash, and
Speaker 1: there's coins, these little plastic quarter, nickel, dime, penny, all
Speaker 1: the whole nine. And they are looking at this like wow,
Speaker 1: what's this And I'm like, y'all have really never used
Speaker 1: a dime before, the only time they ever used quarters
Speaker 1: are when it's like at the rare gumball machine or
Speaker 1: at the rare prize grabber machine. And I have to
Speaker 1: like go through a cupholder to find some old krusty
Speaker 1: quarter that hasn't seen the light of day since nam
Speaker 1: and like that's kind of the way our current society
Speaker 1: is going. So yeah, and like coins are kind of
Speaker 1: a hassle these days having a pocket full of change,
Speaker 1: Like who needs that aggravation. But in the nineties, you'd
Speaker 1: be crazy not to have a couple of coins in
Speaker 1: your pocket for nothing else a random payphone because you
Speaker 1: never know what will happen and stuff. It's kind of
Speaker 1: crazy how many of these cultural things have shifted only
Speaker 1: in the last few decades.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially with digital you know, credit cards and everything.
Speaker 4: But way back in the day, like when the United
Speaker 4: States was founded, people did most of their business with
Speaker 4: coins and didn't trust paper money as much because it's
Speaker 4: just paper. And yeah, way back I forget the Chinese
Speaker 4: invented paper money, but Europeans they really preferred coins, and
Speaker 4: that's because they had precious metals in them. And that's
Speaker 4: a whole history unto itself, about how precious metals got
Speaker 4: diluted out of coins in the Roman Empire and then
Speaker 4: they made a comeback and the Byzantine Empire was called
Speaker 4: the Buzanteen Empires because the bizant as their gold coin,
Speaker 4: and it was internationally very highly respected and eventually, you know,
Speaker 4: our own monetary system. Quarters used to be made of silver.
Speaker 4: Half dollars used to be made of silver, and they
Speaker 4: stopped doing that in nineteen sixty four. So I remember
Speaker 4: my grandma has a big jar of sixty four and
Speaker 4: pre sixty four quarters, and I think they stopped making
Speaker 4: the pennies that out of copper in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was eighty two.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I had a set where
Speaker 1: it was like the large print and small print from
Speaker 1: each mint where it was the transition into zinc.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent correct. Yeah, And I mean.
Speaker 1: You could tell too, like the people who work or
Speaker 1: used to work in the fast food industry or anything
Speaker 1: that actually had a cash exchange to it. You could
Speaker 1: hear like the slight, higher pitched ting of a silver
Speaker 1: quarter hitting the ground versus a nickel quarter hit in
Speaker 1: the ground or something like it was that's why, And
Speaker 1: you would see them kind of swipe and put in
Speaker 1: their pocket and exchange it out and yeah, dude, those
Speaker 1: are worth actual they're weight in silver these days, will
Speaker 1: I mean give or take, but uh yeah, I you
Speaker 1: can find them in some old jugs of coins that
Speaker 1: people will still have from time to time. It is
Speaker 1: very much a thing of the past, and that in
Speaker 1: one regard as a coin collector, that makes me sad.
Speaker 1: In another regard as a coin collector, it makes it
Speaker 1: more valuable and more rare, So like, you know, it'd
Speaker 1: be like that.
Speaker 4: Huh. You guys know what Gresham's law is.
Speaker 3: Gresham's law, I've heard of it, but refresh my memory.
Speaker 4: Okay. The basic statement of it is bad money drives
Speaker 4: out good and it was named after Lord Gresham in
Speaker 4: the mid fifteen hundreds, and he was trying to explain
Speaker 4: to Queen Elizabeth the first why so much English you know,
Speaker 4: circulating coins were flowing going out into France, and the
Speaker 4: reason was because of a recent law that was passed
Speaker 4: back then, where Queen and Elizabeth was trying to create
Speaker 4: more money for the government by just saying, Okay, the
Speaker 4: coins we're issuing now are going to be instead of
Speaker 4: one hundred percent silver, they're going to be ninety four
Speaker 4: percent silver, and they're gonna trade at parody by law,
Speaker 4: it's statutory. But the French knew that the old coins
Speaker 4: are worth more than the new ones, so they would
Speaker 4: only accept the old coins in an international trade, and
Speaker 4: there was a big flow of coins of the old
Speaker 4: ones out out to France because everyone's incentivized within England
Speaker 4: if you got a new coin and an old coin,
Speaker 4: spend the new one, because it's legally required to be
Speaker 4: valued at parity, and that's why the bad money drives
Speaker 4: out the good money.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if this whole situation with the
Speaker 1: penny in that same regard of Gresham's law, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised that they just do away with all coin currency.
Speaker 1: To be completely honest with you, I mean it's not
Speaker 1: not only does it not hold the same weight figuratively
Speaker 1: speaking as far as finances go, but it costs more
Speaker 1: than a quarter to make a quarter these days as well.
Speaker 1: It's not just the penny, although that's I think the
Speaker 1: easiest to start the transition. But I mean, honestly, I
Speaker 1: think paper money is also kind of going to go
Speaker 1: by the wayside. Give it another I don't want to
Speaker 1: say century, but I could see sometime in the next
Speaker 1: fifty years or so paper money just becoming a thing
Speaker 1: of the past, especially with the way the financial system
Speaker 1: is going more towards crypto and ethereal dollars and all
Speaker 1: these things. I'm not saying Fiat's ever gonna get replaced,
Speaker 1: but I mean, and I've said that on the Cult
Speaker 1: of Conspiracy more than a few times, that like, you
Speaker 1: look at your bank account, you have two thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: You don't actually have two thousand George Washington's sitting in
Speaker 1: a bank somewhere. It's digital currency. It's all ethereal, make
Speaker 1: believe money that gets transferred from point A to point
Speaker 1: B via Wi Fi or via card swipe these days.
Speaker 1: So I see this as definitely a sign of the times.
Speaker 1: And I remember they first were throwing out getting rid
Speaker 1: of the penny. I think the first time I ever
Speaker 1: heard of this was actually around like two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: when I was collecting pennies. The people at the coin
Speaker 1: shops I used to frequent with talk about how that
Speaker 1: was probably gonna happen, And they were the ones that
Speaker 1: actually told me that the euro doesn't even have something
Speaker 1: of that small and it was gonna make its way
Speaker 1: over to here. And of course the upbringing that I had,
Speaker 1: my mother was the one that was like, yep, it's
Speaker 1: all gonna go to the one world currency. It's a
Speaker 1: Sogniti end times and I'm like, huh, because I.
Speaker 3: Was, you know, a young child at this point.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's also not completely inaccurate either, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see it absolutely happening. And I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: I didn't know that about the Business and Empire as
Speaker 1: to why it was called that and all. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: they had precious metals in their coins, but I mean
Speaker 1: even the British Empire cut two centuries after the Business
Speaker 1: and Empire fell. You see their shillings the pieces of
Speaker 1: eight because they would actually cut it into eight pieces,
Speaker 1: these little pie shaped chunks of a shilling, and it
Speaker 1: was a whole system of trade that they had, and
Speaker 1: it I mean, I could see that becoming a thing,
Speaker 1: especially now that gold and silver bullion are getting more
Speaker 1: weight behind them as far as the global trade and
Speaker 1: economy is concerned, which I would actually very much like
Speaker 1: for us to go back to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I could kind of see some physical
Speaker 4: money making a comeback in response to the fact that
Speaker 4: the push for digital currency and keeping everything digital, even
Speaker 4: in terms of dollars in your bank account, is so
Speaker 4: that it's all traceable and like maybe drug dealers wouldn't
Speaker 4: want that and they'd want to just deal with with cash,
Speaker 4: or or if cash goes away, there would be some
Speaker 4: kind of substitute cash for it. I'm probably not making
Speaker 4: sense right now, but there are like non governmental, non
Speaker 4: non fiat, non legal tender kinds of cash or or
Speaker 4: coins that are that are minted with precious metals in them,
Speaker 4: and they trade and they kind of fluctuate in value
Speaker 4: more than a national fiat currency does. But yeah, people
Speaker 4: who don't want to be tracked are going to have
Speaker 4: a big incentive to use.
Speaker 1: Those absolutely, And I mean, actually I want to give
Speaker 1: it away just yet. We will be releasing on the cold.
Speaker 1: We actually just got a new sponsor, seven K Gold,
Speaker 1: and I'm not I don't want people to go look
Speaker 1: this up yet, but we are going to have a
Speaker 1: link with a whole website and it's going to be great.
Speaker 1: We are getting more heavily involved with the gold and
Speaker 1: silver buoyan trading and I'm super super excited about this
Speaker 1: because I was already starting to stockpile I don't want
Speaker 1: to say stockpiles. I'm just now starting to get silver
Speaker 1: minted coins and and troy ounce of silver, not just
Speaker 1: of weight, but actually minted things.
Speaker 3: And come to find out that if it's minted post nineteen,
Speaker 3: I want to say it's nineteen eighty one or nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty three. I'm flaky on that at this moment, it's
Speaker 3: not taxable because the laws stipulate that if it's a
Speaker 3: coin that was minted pre eighty one, it is seen
Speaker 3: as some sort of a taxable legal tender if it's
Speaker 3: post eighty one. All the ones you see, especially like
Speaker 3: I got a buddy that owns a pawnshop and he
Speaker 3: has if you've seen the Mandalorian.
Speaker 1: You saw the best gar blocks that he was doing
Speaker 1: deals for and everything. They have a mini silver troy
Speaker 1: ounce in a little mini bestcar, which I thought was
Speaker 1: really sick. That is an officially minted thing. It's from
Speaker 1: Britain either way, but it's still minted by an officiating
Speaker 1: body and it was minted post eighty one. To buy
Speaker 1: that or to sell that would be something that you
Speaker 1: actually don't have to report on your taxes, which is
Speaker 1: it's crazy things, but very positive things, and it's a
Speaker 1: way to kind of protect your investment in ways that
Speaker 1: are totally legal, but just not very well known about.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing as like, all right, do you'll
Speaker 1: remember watching regular TV before all these streaming services took over,
Speaker 1: and you saw these minted goal Buffalo dollars and you
Speaker 1: could buy this set for twenty dollars for two hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: but limit of five orders per household and bop bup bup.
Speaker 1: Those were legally minted coins, not legal tender, but legally
Speaker 1: minted coins on pure goal bullion. So that fell into
Speaker 1: that category. And that was kind of the talking points
Speaker 1: that these people were going on and on about back then.
Speaker 1: This is I looked into it, not heavily. I'm not
Speaker 1: like a mastermind of this shit. Now we just got
Speaker 1: on with these people, but like this seems really cool
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited.
Speaker 3: But I digress anyway.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I, like I said, I don't want to let
Speaker 1: too much the cat out of the bag on that.
Speaker 3: I'm given just the taste of the bare minimum on
Speaker 3: this one. All right, let's see. Raven also sent something
Speaker 3: else here in the chat.
Speaker 1: The doomsday clock has been set to eighty nine seconds
Speaker 1: to midnight for the first time ever. Now this is interesting,
Speaker 1: the doomsday clock. And yeah, she posts the next thing
Speaker 1: underneath it as well. The doomsday clockt get closer to
Speaker 1: see this, my eyes are not what they used to be.
Speaker 3: Good people, I am sorry about that.
Speaker 1: The Doomsday clock was established in nineteen forty seven. It
Speaker 1: was created to alert humanity to the existential.
Speaker 3: Dangers lurking around every corner.
Speaker 1: Okay, as the clock moves closer to midnight, the risk
Speaker 1: of global catastrophe increases. The Doomsday clock is set annually
Speaker 1: by the bulletin of the Atomic Scientists based on global risks. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, the Atomic Society or the Atomic Scientist. I've
Speaker 1: heard of it before, but I've never really done much
Speaker 1: digging into it. I kind of thought it was one
Speaker 1: of those Internet things that are just Internet things, But
Speaker 1: this is legit. Originally focused on nuclear threats, the clock
Speaker 1: now also considers climate change and energetic technologies.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: And the furthest the clock has ever been from midnight
Speaker 1: was seventeen minutes in nineteen ninety one, after the Cold
Speaker 1: War ended.
Speaker 3: Now that also kind of perplexes me.
Speaker 1: Why would the Cold War ending make it go closer
Speaker 1: to midnight. Wouldn't that be a sign that they would
Speaker 1: move it further away from midnight because what could have
Speaker 1: been a global catastrophe just got settled.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, but.
Speaker 1: Apparently they have just set this year as they're doing
Speaker 1: it for the year, they put it to eighteen minutes
Speaker 1: to midnight, which is the closest it's.
Speaker 3: Been a very long time.
Speaker 1: And Okay, I'm not going to say it's because of Trump,
Speaker 1: but also let's be honest, it's not just a America thing.
Speaker 1: That's a world thing, and there is tons of situations
Speaker 1: going on around the world right now. Elections left, right
Speaker 1: and center are being handled in very interesting ways, not
Speaker 1: just in America. Germany just had a wild election. Britain
Speaker 1: just had a wild election. Go ahead, Raven.
Speaker 7: Apparently.
Speaker 6: I was reading another article about it, and apparently it's
Speaker 6: because of the global issues that are happening that they've
Speaker 6: felt that it needs to be a catastrophe of a
Speaker 6: rising or some weird way of rewarding it. But pretty
Speaker 6: much they got together and they were like, well, because
Speaker 6: of all of these things with AI, with all the
Speaker 6: different wars going on, with the genocides that have been
Speaker 6: currently happening, and like the potential of all these different disasters,
Speaker 6: that's why they moved it, but I've actually never really
Speaker 6: heard of it until today, actually, and I get that.
Speaker 1: The dangers of AI. I mean, I'm not exactly a
Speaker 1: fan of it myself, but you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: go on that soapbox right now. But there's tons of
Speaker 1: dangers to that mirror bacteria and the risks that that
Speaker 1: poses to all living entities on Earth, human, animal and
Speaker 1: plant and everything in between.
Speaker 3: That's also very massive. Politically, there's a lot of things
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 1: There's what is it, ninety five conflict areas somewhere around
Speaker 1: the world right now. There's ninety five war zones or
Speaker 1: active people are shooting each other or trying to kill
Speaker 1: each other in close to one hundred different locations around
Speaker 1: the world, and there's only like two hundred and six
Speaker 1: sovereign states on Earth, or two hundred and ten, I forget.
Speaker 1: They either took some down or added some. I know
Speaker 1: it used to be two to eight. So that's also
Speaker 1: pretty massive. The nuclear countries that there are, which Tony,
Speaker 1: I would love to hear you speak on this one
Speaker 1: as well. I just heard that Russia is talking about
Speaker 1: denuclearizing their country and would like to reopen the conversation
Speaker 1: with America to do the same. What have you heard
Speaker 1: on in this regard.
Speaker 4: Well, I haven't heard anything recently, but I remember hearing
Speaker 4: about this back in Trump's first term. They were they
Speaker 4: may have talked about it in Helsinki. But another thing
Speaker 4: that when Reagan met with Gorbachev and Reykiavic in nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty six or eighty seven, this was a topic that
Speaker 4: came up. Gorbachev asked him, what do you think about
Speaker 4: just getting rid of all our nuclear weapons? And Reagan asked,
Speaker 4: James Baker, can we do that? And James Baker said, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think we can. But then later it turned out
Speaker 4: there was some reason that we couldn't, and they settled
Speaker 4: for getting rid of the Pershing to intermediate range cruise
Speaker 4: missiles at that time, which was still a pretty good treaty.
Speaker 4: I was nineteen eighty seven, and that treaty was eventually
Speaker 4: Donald Trump got rid of it, unfortunately. I don't think
Speaker 4: that was a good decision. But yeah, I think they
Speaker 4: were talking about getting rid of them because Reagan and
Speaker 4: Gorbachev and other older people at the time. Gorbachev was
Speaker 4: kind of young for the time, but they could remember
Speaker 4: a time before nuclear weapons existed. And I think they
Speaker 4: wanted to get back to that. And now people in
Speaker 4: our generation just assume that it's a status quo and
Speaker 4: that's always going to be there, so there isn't so
Speaker 4: much talk of getting rid of it anymore. But I
Speaker 4: think Putin I've heard him given another statement that yeah,
Speaker 4: we're open to scaling down our skep stockpiles, because the
Speaker 4: US and Russia each have something close to ten thousand warheads,
Speaker 4: and Putin has said, yeah, we kind of want to
Speaker 4: scale them down, and we really hope to work with
Speaker 4: the United States on that, but we really need to
Speaker 4: build a lot of trust first. That's the last thing
Speaker 4: I remember hearing him say about that, and it was
Speaker 4: a year or two ago.
Speaker 1: The last thing I remember was that they pulled out
Speaker 1: of the start program with America in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: and I just looked that up to verify that date,
Speaker 1: and everybody thought that that was just the craziest thing
Speaker 1: he had ever done. And it was right around the time,
Speaker 1: right before the military operation into Ukraine and all these things,
Speaker 1: and they the world, the all encompassing day, thought that
Speaker 1: that meant that Russia was about to try to nuke Ukraine,
Speaker 1: that obviously was not in the game plan that why
Speaker 1: would they want to do that to a land that
Speaker 1: they were trying to utilize for their own purposes.
Speaker 3: That's not smart business.
Speaker 1: But looking at it now hindsight twenty twenty, especially under
Speaker 1: the Biden administration, Yeah, why would Russia want any of
Speaker 1: his guys to have some sort of a one to
Speaker 1: one understanding with American diplomats At that time, it would
Speaker 1: make sense to me, like, Yo, if your country's being
Speaker 1: ran by idiots, I don't want those idiots knowing what
Speaker 1: I have in my arsenal.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: So I kind of see it as a strategic move,
Speaker 1: not just trying to kick the hornets test even further.
Speaker 1: But if Putin is serious about this and he's talking
Speaker 1: about d I'm trying decommissioning, I kept trying to say,
Speaker 1: de escalating, decommissioning. A lot of their nuclear arsenal in
Speaker 1: America doing the same. I'm on board with this, and
Speaker 1: I'm very pro military. I'm very pro war. I've not
Speaker 1: been shy about these things. But nukes are like that
Speaker 1: one thing where if anybody was to launch it again,
Speaker 1: that would be a suicide for themselves as soon as
Speaker 1: don matter France launched one, every other nation with nukes
Speaker 1: would be forced at that time to nuke them and
Speaker 1: it would just be a domino effect. And Russia is
Speaker 1: the quote unquote evil bad guy right now that we
Speaker 1: need to watch and all these things. I get it fine.
Speaker 1: But now that they are talking about Ukraine and Russia
Speaker 1: possibly having some sort of a long standing ceasefire and
Speaker 1: that moving forward, I would hope that that means that
Speaker 1: they Russia would also come to the table again to
Speaker 1: discuss the nuclear de escalation of both nations. I see
Speaker 1: that as a very positive thing for the world. But
Speaker 1: depending on how the next few months ago. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: why the atomic clock, especially the atomic scientists, have set
Speaker 1: the clock to that close to a cataclysm. Maybe because
Speaker 1: there's so much uncertainty, especially with so many nuclear nations
Speaker 1: having so much turmoil right now.
Speaker 3: I could see that being a part of it as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I heard something on the radio about this,
Speaker 4: about how they started including climate change with a higher
Speaker 4: variable weight than they did before, So you know, maybe
Speaker 4: you know, in my opinion, the world is probably not
Speaker 4: in more danger now than it was a year or
Speaker 4: two ago, but in their opinion, especially Yeah, if they're
Speaker 4: also biased against Trump, they're going to move the needle
Speaker 4: closer to midnight. I don't know much about that Start treaty,
Speaker 4: but as far as stockpiles go, every well almost every
Speaker 4: nuclear country except for North Korea and Israel is a
Speaker 4: signatory to the non proliferation of green so the i
Speaker 4: a e A gets to inspect them, and the I
Speaker 4: a e A does a pretty good job. And it's
Speaker 4: not really worth it to try to hide your warheads
Speaker 4: if you're in any of these countries, because it's like
Speaker 4: they can sniff it out by with instruments that will
Speaker 4: they'll detect a couple of parts per trillion of a
Speaker 4: certain zene on isotope, and they can just find physial
Speaker 4: material anywhere they want. I don't really understand all of that,
Speaker 4: but it's that's that's why they wouldn't say Saddam Hussein
Speaker 4: had nuclear weapons, because they were there looking. And uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: there was one other thing I can't remember, but yeah,
Speaker 4: it would be great if we could we could scale
Speaker 4: down nuclear weapons to a smaller number. China I think
Speaker 4: only has three hundred warheads, and US and Russia each
Speaker 4: have over five thousand. Russia has more than we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the start program basically was outside of the
Speaker 1: I e. A. Was Russia could send their audit to
Speaker 1: America at any point in time to see what we
Speaker 1: have in stock and make sure that the numbers are
Speaker 1: still reflecting. And on the flip side of that, America
Speaker 1: could send our internal auditors to Russia to do the
Speaker 1: same thing. And it was like a nobody really liked it,
Speaker 1: but it also kept everybody honest, at least between the
Speaker 1: two that have the most nukes. Now, they pulled out
Speaker 1: of that a couple of years ago. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're going to get back to that or if
Speaker 1: they're just gonna kind of move forward more on a
Speaker 1: global auditing system rather than just us and them. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how to take it, but
Speaker 1: I again, I'm with you. I think this would be great.
Speaker 1: And to the point you made about climate change, with
Speaker 1: everybody here in attendance, how many of y'all actually, like.
Speaker 3: Are worried about climate change?
Speaker 1: I know that it depends on the person you ask,
Speaker 1: And yes, we can talk about if it's humans that
Speaker 1: are causing the climate change or if it's naturally occurring,
Speaker 1: and the Earth goes through cycles or whatever the case
Speaker 1: may be. Nobody body can deny that the Earth is
Speaker 1: getting warmers and sea levels are rising. There's less ice
Speaker 1: in certain places. Fine, cool, We can acknowledge this. But
Speaker 1: as far as like human interaction causing it to mass
Speaker 1: scale anyway, certain certain nuanced areas, I understand, on a
Speaker 1: global scale, Do y'all believe that humans are the cause
Speaker 1: for the climate change?
Speaker 4: I don't want to like contaminate anyone else's opinion, so
Speaker 4: I want other people first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, So.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, I will be the guinea pig. So as
Speaker 2: someone who is mostly uneducated about all this, suff just
Speaker 2: obviously it does seem that things are changing. The world,
Speaker 2: you know, is going through dips changes. Did we cause
Speaker 2: do we not? Did we help move in one or
Speaker 2: the other? Maybe? Do I think that the world is
Speaker 2: going to end because of what we as humans have
Speaker 2: done to it? I don't. But I think that's because,
Speaker 2: coming from a fairly religious aspect of it, I don't
Speaker 2: think I will let that happen. I mean, God gave
Speaker 2: us this world hopefully to do good things. But is
Speaker 2: it going to end because of us? I mean I
Speaker 2: always say no, But this is an uneducated religious view.
Speaker 3: No doubt.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to like kickstart a lively debate
Speaker 1: and fight on the topic either. I'm just I'm kind
Speaker 1: of curious what everybody's individual opinions are on the matter.
Speaker 3: Raven, please please chime in.
Speaker 6: I think that there is substance behind climate change, now,
Speaker 6: whether that is the natural occurring cycle or human interventions.
Speaker 7: There is multiple things about that's aded it.
Speaker 6: Like there's been like forty six million tons of paper
Speaker 6: like a year that's not being recycled.
Speaker 7: Like there's tons and tons.
Speaker 6: Of stuff that like are polluting the earth, that are
Speaker 6: causing issues and things to arise. I think the industrial
Speaker 6: revolution had a big part in this, Like there's clear
Speaker 6: signs of things that have happened. You can tell by
Speaker 6: the ice itself that like this is also a naturally
Speaker 6: occurring cycle, like the world will get warmer anyways, and
Speaker 6: it will go through the tectonic plates will shift and
Speaker 6: there will be another Like you know, Pangaeo was evolution,
Speaker 6: Like you see Pangaea. You see how it's split apart,
Speaker 6: you see the volcanoes, Like there's lots of things that
Speaker 6: have happened throughout the history of Earth. I think that
Speaker 6: we are. I think people that are engineering with like
Speaker 6: the seed the cloud seeds and stuff like, they're having
Speaker 6: a hand at controlling the disasters and how extensive they are.
Speaker 6: And that's probably eating in like the quote unquote climate
Speaker 6: change movement.
Speaker 7: But as of right now, like.
Speaker 6: Recycling and pollution are at all time high.
Speaker 7: So I mean, that's that's kind of where I'm at
Speaker 7: with it.
Speaker 3: I hear you. I hear you, Tony. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 4: I'm not very worried about climate change, except if there's
Speaker 4: nuclear war. But the IPCC maybe ten or fifteen years ago,
Speaker 4: they were predicting, this is the Inner Governmental Panel and
Speaker 4: Climate Change a un body. They said sea level right
Speaker 4: might rise somewhere between ten centimeters and one meter, And
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, the sea level might rise a little bit.
Speaker 4: We might go up half degree celsius or one degree
Speaker 4: fahrenheit over the next hundred years. And I think that's
Speaker 4: not enough to be worth worrying about it. I am
Speaker 4: more worried about what might happen if a lot of
Speaker 4: nukes go off, because the theory is and it will
Speaker 4: send up a lot of really small dust particles into
Speaker 4: the upper atmosphere where there's enough turbulence and low enough
Speaker 4: moisture that it won't get rained out, and it'll really
Speaker 4: drop temperatures by something like thirty degrees celsius everywhere it'll
Speaker 4: leave to starvation and famines. And that is something I
Speaker 4: worry about more because I think from what I've heard
Speaker 4: and read about who has the authority to launch nukes
Speaker 4: and how dangerous it is, and how we're all just
Speaker 4: kind of on the honor system and not doing it
Speaker 4: out of habit, well, anything could change that. And if
Speaker 4: the US and Russia and Western Europe and China all
Speaker 4: start launching their nukes at each other, that's it's gonna start.
Speaker 4: It's going to kill most of the people in all
Speaker 4: those countries, and even a lot of people left in
Speaker 4: the Southern hemisphere are going to starve. Yeah, So yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what I worry about. And here's another thing. This
Speaker 4: is a kind of different angle, but I think a
Speaker 4: lot of people like I'm not a determinist. I don't
Speaker 4: believe that God has scripted out the history and the
Speaker 4: future of mankind or our world. I think that our
Speaker 4: decisions can actually change the future, and that free will
Speaker 4: is a real thing. But I think that people who
Speaker 4: tend to believe that, well, God has a plan, believe
Speaker 4: that well, you know, the invention of nukes may kind
Speaker 4: of confirm that the APO apocalypse is going to happen.
Speaker 4: And if that's his plan, let's just, you know, maybe
Speaker 4: maybe we should let that happen. And I don't think
Speaker 4: that that's what his plan is. I don't really I'm
Speaker 4: not sure what his plan is, but I prefer him
Speaker 4: to end the world on his terms rather than ours.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 1: And I mean, the threat of a nuclear winter is
Speaker 1: definitely something that has been postulated by many a scholar
Speaker 1: multiple times over, and it definitely can't be a negate.
Speaker 3: By any means.
Speaker 1: I am also, I hear what you're saying, but I,
Speaker 1: you know, me, I believe that free will is a
Speaker 1: thing and that there is a plan in place all
Speaker 1: happening at the same time. It's very interwoven in my
Speaker 1: own version of the truth and reality of which we live.
Speaker 1: But I understand what you're saying one hundred percent, and
Speaker 1: yeah to all of y'all's points. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of a combination of everything that
Speaker 1: we're saying here. I don't think that humans are the
Speaker 1: reason for the climate change. However, it's not like we've
Speaker 1: done a lot to help it or stop it in
Speaker 1: any regard. And heavy industry has definitely played a factor.
Speaker 1: Industrial accidents, spills into the ocean, releases of certain chemicals
Speaker 1: into the air. I believe all of that has played
Speaker 1: in for sure, But I also believe that's more of
Speaker 1: a drop in the overall bucket, you know, figuratively speaking,
Speaker 1: Raven go ahead.
Speaker 6: I have a friend that did like a lot of
Speaker 6: nuclear stuff. They did that was like their job, and
Speaker 6: and he was telling me that like they estimated it
Speaker 6: out like depending on which size nuke it was, but
Speaker 6: they estimated it'd be like seven nukes total to cause
Speaker 6: like a global nuclear winner, and then like only seveny
Speaker 6: to go off. And then because of that, like the
Speaker 6: because of how it would react in the atmosphere and
Speaker 6: everything like that, like it would cause at least thirty
Speaker 6: years worth of the nuclear winner, and like if people
Speaker 6: survived this whole thing, that there would only be a handful.
Speaker 6: That's why a lot of people with the whole with
Speaker 6: the bunker that they just opened up in Greenland again
Speaker 6: to put more seeds in it.
Speaker 7: And stuff, Like.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of belief that there is that those
Speaker 6: bunkers are also for the you know, extremely wealthy and
Speaker 6: like they'll survive down there and you know, whatever is
Speaker 6: to come they could last and stuff because those bunker,
Speaker 6: that bunker in particular, is supposed to be like I
Speaker 6: think it's like indestructible for all things, and it has
Speaker 6: like I mean thousands, thousands of samples of all sorts
Speaker 6: of seeds and like everything you could think of is
Speaker 6: down there to be able to repopulate the earth if
Speaker 6: there was quote something to happen. So I think it's
Speaker 6: an interesting part to the climate change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody thinks when they think of nukes, they think
Speaker 1: of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, right, got it cool? The biggest
Speaker 1: one that America ever launched was the Castle Bravo, and
Speaker 1: that one sent radioactive ash across the ocean and they
Speaker 1: had people in Guam that were basically getting snowed on
Speaker 1: with volcanic ash or now volcanic excuse me, nuclear ash,
Speaker 1: and they didn't even realize they had kids outside playing
Speaker 1: with it and stuff getting soaked in radiation. And that's
Speaker 1: not even the biggest nuke ever tested on Earth. The
Speaker 1: Tzarabama from Russia was so to your point, Yeah, if
Speaker 1: they let off seven Castle Bravos or seven Tzarbamas, I
Speaker 1: absolutely could see how the basically the entirety of the
Speaker 1: Earth would be covered in some sort of a nuclear
Speaker 1: ash and soot, And that's just what would fall to
Speaker 1: the earth, never mind what would stay up in the air.
Speaker 1: So it really could, especially with the way that they
Speaker 1: have developed them, in the way that the types of damage,
Speaker 1: in the amount of damage that these things do, if
Speaker 1: only a few of them went off, it would realistically
Speaker 1: change the course of the Earth forever one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And to speak of those bombs, those are hydrogen bombs.
Speaker 4: The ones that went off in Japan didn't have the
Speaker 4: power of deuterium hydrogen, so they were only fourteen to
Speaker 4: twenty tons. But that cider bombbaugh was one hundred megatons
Speaker 4: or one hundred thousand kilo tons, And I'm struggling with
Speaker 4: the math right now, but yeah, it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: ten thousand times stronger than the herosium of bomb. Our
Speaker 4: Minuteman missiles are something like one hundred and seventy kilo tons,
Speaker 4: so they're only ten times stronger than the Hiroshima bomb,
Speaker 4: but that's still something. I think that the mini man
Speaker 4: uses hydrogen too.
Speaker 1: I think they do as well, because it's more of
Speaker 1: an efficient kaboom, So it makes sense that as they
Speaker 1: were developing them, they would go for the more efficient bomb.
Speaker 1: But yeah, as we're talking about that ten thousand times
Speaker 1: stronger than Hiroshima, like that is practically inconceivable for a
Speaker 1: normal human to conceive of what that would actually look
Speaker 1: like destruction wise, And I don't mean just what the
Speaker 1: video of the mushroom cloud looks like, like real things
Speaker 1: about where how far that blast goes, how far that
Speaker 1: EMP wave would hit, how far the radioactive ash would go,
Speaker 1: how actual weather will be shifted and change because of that,
Speaker 1: What would happen to our legitimate atmosphere with that type
Speaker 1: of kaboom going off. It's that's that's an inconceivable thing
Speaker 1: for the vast majority of humans, I think, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I am with you that I would very much like
Speaker 1: for the nuclear decommissioning for a lot of nations to
Speaker 1: take place, But I also don't believe that'll ever go
Speaker 1: to U no more nukes or anything to that level.
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, it's probably it's a little excessive
Speaker 1: that we have enough to blow up the earth seven times,
Speaker 1: that that's a bit extreme in my book. Go ahead, harjie.
Speaker 2: So my only question is, let's just say that there
Speaker 2: was a plan in place to try it. You're seeking
Speaker 2: the other nations or even our nation would actually abide
Speaker 2: by it, because it seems like they'd be one of
Speaker 2: those things like, yeah, sure, we you know, we don't
Speaker 2: have any all all the while, So like, what what's
Speaker 2: I mean? We have nuclear bunkers, we have you know,
Speaker 2: missile silos all over the country that are known and
Speaker 2: aren't known. So what's what's to stop our country another
Speaker 2: country to actually doing that. Let's says to you know,
Speaker 2: same thing, decommission, get rid of etc.
Speaker 3: I mean, at that point, it's kind of quote unquote
Speaker 3: honor system.
Speaker 1: Right, But let's say, hypothetically speaking, the world got together
Speaker 1: in one place, all countries, every single one of them,
Speaker 1: even the ones that are at war with each other,
Speaker 1: they came together to the table and said, all right, y'all,
Speaker 1: we got to get rid of all the nukes, and
Speaker 1: they for some reason agreed to that. And you would
Speaker 1: have any nation, not just America, Russia, China, that doesn't
Speaker 1: matter name a country that's a nuclear power, right, and
Speaker 1: they would say that they would decommission them, and then
Speaker 1: not if it was ever discovered that they actually withheiled
Speaker 1: a weapon that they said that they got rid of.
Speaker 1: At that point, that would be a declaration of war
Speaker 1: for every nation that abided by the rules versus the
Speaker 1: nation or nations that didn't. And I could see that
Speaker 1: being an immediate arms race, very very similar to the
Speaker 1: Cold War. And that's what I'm saying. I don't believe
Speaker 1: they'll ever go to that level of every agree that
Speaker 1: there will be no more nukes, right, I mean that
Speaker 1: just goes against human nature. We are kind of dead
Speaker 1: set on killing ourselves as a species. I mean that
Speaker 1: we just do that. So I don't think they'll ever
Speaker 1: actually get rid of all of them. I would like
Speaker 1: it to get to some sort of a reasonable level,
Speaker 1: like if America has enough to blow up the entire
Speaker 1: earth one time, Okay, hey, that's more than enough, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we could just cap it there. Russia,
Speaker 1: y'all want to have the equal amounts cool and we
Speaker 1: just kind of just leave it alone on that plane.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know, tell any what are your thoughts.
Speaker 4: Well as to the question why can't we get rid
Speaker 4: of them? I think it's because many countries feel they
Speaker 4: need them for defense or at least the terrence against
Speaker 4: other countries, and that's why North Korea developed them. I
Speaker 4: misspoke earlier when I said only Israel and North Korea
Speaker 4: are not part of the IAEA. There's also India and Pakistan.
Speaker 4: For some reason, I forgot about them.
Speaker 1: They all stand in nuclear power.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they got it in nineteen ninety eight. There's
Speaker 4: a guy named aq Khan Abdul Kadir Khan who was involved,
Speaker 4: but he was probably way lower level than not the
Speaker 4: ring leader. Basically, yeah, that was ninety eight. Let's say,
Speaker 4: where was I going there? There is the obvious military
Speaker 4: industrial complex angle on building and maintaining these things for money,
Speaker 4: but I think there's also a sense that people want
Speaker 4: to want to deter other countries militarily, and your average American,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, would not want to give up all
Speaker 4: the nukes. I think your average American would probably say,
Speaker 4: you know, we could, we could do with less than
Speaker 4: the hundreds or thousands that we have, but yeah, better
Speaker 4: to keep a few.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same as like why do we
Speaker 1: need guns? Right, well, why do we need Why don't
Speaker 1: we just outlaw all the guns? You're gonna have people
Speaker 1: that are like, why I want them for my protection?
Speaker 1: And it's the same kind of concept as all the
Speaker 1: countries of that. I'm with you on this as well.
Speaker 1: I just I also did not know that Pakistan was
Speaker 1: a nuclear power. That's new information. I knew India was,
Speaker 1: and we apparently have signed a treaty with them to
Speaker 1: where we are like locked in, like blood tie, locked
Speaker 1: in the same way that we're locked in with Israel
Speaker 1: as far as intel is concerned. Apparently we are locked
Speaker 1: in like the thickest of thieves with India for military assets,
Speaker 1: which I'm not mad at, and I'm also not mad
Speaker 1: that they have nukes, but yeah, it was kind of
Speaker 1: one of those odd ones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Pakistan might have gotten them first. And
Speaker 4: the US was really tight with Pakistan during Cold War,
Speaker 4: and India was more aligned with the Soviets. But somehow,
Speaker 4: I guess through the nineties and early two thousands, that
Speaker 4: whole thing kind of flipped. So now the US and
Speaker 4: Pakistan are a little more hostile. Yeah, Yeah, Indian Pakistan
Speaker 4: obviously hate each other. And here's one thing I meant
Speaker 4: to bring up earlier. If India and Pakistan knew each other,
Speaker 4: and some people say that's really high probability that that
Speaker 4: might happen.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they hate each other, they really do.
Speaker 4: Would that cause other countries to nuke each other? Because
Speaker 4: I kind of doubt it. I think that if there
Speaker 4: were a nuclear war there, it might actually be contained.
Speaker 4: It would be awful because there's more than a billion
Speaker 4: people involved, but I think it would actually be contained.
Speaker 4: And in Wikipedia it says India has probably one hundred
Speaker 4: and sixty four nuclear weapons. Pakistan's probably I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe a similar number, probably less, but yeah, it might
Speaker 4: actually be contained.
Speaker 1: I think you might be onto something here. Well, m no,
Speaker 1: because keep in mind India is involved with bricks and
Speaker 1: while they're tied into US America for military reasons, and
Speaker 1: if Pakistan was to nuke India, America would have to
Speaker 1: go to bat for India because of our treaty. And
Speaker 1: on the same side, Russia would want to back their
Speaker 1: homie for the economic situation. I see where you're going
Speaker 1: with this.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I think I think America and Russia would both
Speaker 4: say I'm not firing anything, right, now we would have.
Speaker 1: To because of our military alliance with India that that's
Speaker 1: the only reason aside.
Speaker 2: From that would agree with Pakistan, I guess.
Speaker 1: So, which I mean, I'm with you that we could
Speaker 1: and in all probability should let that situation cook itself out,
Speaker 1: because that's kind of containable. Like you said, I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of that could be just them versus them,
Speaker 1: and we let it cook the same way that Pakistan
Speaker 1: and Iraq are going at it right now, and it's
Speaker 1: like no country is really throwing down in this regard.
Speaker 1: We're kind of letting to see, you know, how the
Speaker 1: coin turns on this one. But yeah, we actually do
Speaker 1: have a rather strong, like the strongest of military alliances
Speaker 1: with India, so we would it'd be kind of the
Speaker 1: same reason why World War One got brought into an
Speaker 1: entire World War or over just one dude getting assassinated.
Speaker 1: If India got attacked, we would have to back them,
Speaker 1: and that would mean that we would probably bring in Canada,
Speaker 1: in the UK, in Australia, and then we'd probably bring
Speaker 1: in NATO, probably the EU because if one of NATO
Speaker 1: members that are EU member come in militarily It's very
Speaker 1: possible that others would throw into so it would get
Speaker 1: blown into a new situation that would be the new
Speaker 1: Archduke Ferdinand possibly possibly. But then World War One, for
Speaker 1: the same reason, could have been contained as just that.
Speaker 1: It could have been just a Serbia issue, and it
Speaker 1: could have been just a Mediterranean issue. But because of
Speaker 1: long standing alliances and this and that and the third
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, we got lines divided and we
Speaker 1: got dudes killing each other in trenches. It could very
Speaker 1: well go that route too. I'm I am of the
Speaker 1: belief that India and Pakistan, although of all nuclear nations,
Speaker 1: they are the most likely to throw those levels of
Speaker 1: weapons at each other. I also think that neither of
Speaker 1: them want that kind of smoke from the international community
Speaker 1: because on the other side of that, let's say that
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. Let's say that America goes against our
Speaker 1: treaty with India and we say, nah, bro, there's a
Speaker 1: y'all problem.
Speaker 3: Y'all handle it.
Speaker 1: At that point, nukes have now been fired, and all
Speaker 1: of the countries, just to save face, would have to
Speaker 1: have some sort of an opinion on it or take
Speaker 1: a stance, or if at the very least throw tariffs
Speaker 1: on the recently nuked nations, which wouldn't go well either.
Speaker 1: So it's I don't know. I feel like anybody that
Speaker 1: would be willing to launch a nuke at anybody else
Speaker 1: would pretty much just be assuming that they committed suicide
Speaker 1: on behalf of their entire nation at this point. And
Speaker 1: I mean there's Kim Jong who he's completely fine with that,
Speaker 1: but I mean his people are pretty much praying for
Speaker 1: death at this point, so I mean, it's no skin
Speaker 1: off of his nose, really, So I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I do think India and Pakistan are
Speaker 1: probably going to go into actual open war here in
Speaker 1: the next decade unless some very drastic things can change.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. Pakistan's already pissing off Iraq right now,
Speaker 1: and it's not like that's a big deal by any means,
Speaker 1: but they wouldn't want to start something on two fronts.
Speaker 1: They're at least going to handle one situation before they
Speaker 1: go to another. I don't know.
Speaker 3: But anyway, anyway, getting off on it, and that's it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, Russia would have to throw in because
Speaker 1: of bricks for if nothing else, just for the economic
Speaker 1: side of it. They're going to side with India over
Speaker 1: Pakistan just to kind of protect their protect their financial
Speaker 1: interests as well as their border neighbor interests in that
Speaker 1: regard which Pakistan. Pakistan shares a border with it. No,
Speaker 1: they don't, No, they don't. They share a border with Iraq,
Speaker 1: and they share a border with India. But I don't
Speaker 1: believe even their northernmost border is that touch Russia.
Speaker 4: Uh No, it's mostly with Afghanistan. But they have a
Speaker 4: big border with the with the Iran and not with Iraq.
Speaker 3: I've been saying Iraq. I mean Iran this whole time.
Speaker 2: Sorry Jesus, It's okay.
Speaker 4: I make mistakes too, Like I forgot all about India
Speaker 4: Pakistan earlier with the intermedia with the non proliferation agreement.
Speaker 4: But I was just googling while you were talking, and
Speaker 4: it looks like the US does have some kind of
Speaker 4: flexible nuclear posture. If Pakistan and India ever used nukes
Speaker 4: in the US would be on India's side. So you're
Speaker 4: one hundred percent right about that. And the US might
Speaker 4: use nukes and might not, but even if they did,
Speaker 4: I still think that conflict would probably be just contained
Speaker 4: to that region, and I'm googling what Russia would do,
Speaker 4: and it's a wall of text I don't understand right now,
Speaker 4: but yeah, it's worth looking into. I shouldn't have done
Speaker 4: that earlier.
Speaker 1: I do think that India is a good homie to
Speaker 1: have on the economic side and on the financial side,
Speaker 1: as pretty much everything else there. You know, people have
Speaker 1: slept on them for the past few decades. India's military
Speaker 1: track record is actually pretty impressive. Anytime they get sent
Speaker 1: in to do something for you, in or whatever the
Speaker 1: case is, they usually handle the situation relatively quickly, and
Speaker 1: they are a very capable military grand scheme of things.
Speaker 1: So I think that America and Russia, for different reasons,
Speaker 1: but also kind of for the same reasons, keep them
Speaker 1: as as a close homie.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that you're right, it very well could be
Speaker 1: contained to that area, and if that ever was to happen,
Speaker 1: you know, heaven forbid, I would hope that it would
Speaker 1: be contained to that area. But I think that will
Speaker 1: also depend on who our leader is at that time.
Speaker 1: You know, if Donnie t is in office when India
Speaker 1: gets hit with a nuke, I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: go over as It's not gonna be the same as
Speaker 1: if you know Sleepy Joe was at the helm, if
Speaker 1: India had gotten attacked during that time, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, treaty or not. I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of it goes to who's leading at that moment, which
Speaker 1: is sad but true. But anyway, all right, So o
Speaker 1: Zombie showed one more picture actually speaking of this atomic clock,
Speaker 1: Let's see if I can enlarge that picture. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can, thank the Lord. My eyes are getting worse
Speaker 1: and worse by the day.
Speaker 3: I swear.
Speaker 1: They said I was gonna need glasses by thirty Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty two.
Speaker 3: They were not fucking lying, all right.
Speaker 1: So the doomsday clock minutes to midnight. So seventeen minutes
Speaker 1: to midnight was in nineteen ninety one, fourteen minutes to
Speaker 1: midnight was in ninety five. They had twelve minutes to
Speaker 1: midnight in sixty three and in seventy two. Ten minutes
Speaker 1: to midnight was in sixty nine and nineteen seventy. Nine
Speaker 1: minutes to midnight was in seventy four and ninety eight.
Speaker 1: They had seven minutes to midnight in forty seven, sixty,
Speaker 1: sixty eight, eighty and then in two thousand and two
Speaker 1: they had it at six minutes to midnight. In twenty ten,
Speaker 1: and in nineteen eighty eight, five minutes to midnight in
Speaker 1: seven and in twenty twelve, four minutes to midnight in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 3: Interesting, they're getting closer and closer.
Speaker 1: Good god. Three minutes to midnight in nineteen forty nine,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, and in twenty fifteen. Yeah, two and
Speaker 1: a half minutes to midnight in twenty seventeen, two minutes
Speaker 1: to midnight in nineteen fifty three, twenty eighteen, in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: and the closes they had was one hundred seconds to
Speaker 1: midnight in two thousand and twenty two. Now, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: A couple of these are kind of important to note here.
Speaker 1: In nineteen forty nine, which is whenever it moved to
Speaker 1: three minutes to midnight, that was when the Soviets did
Speaker 1: their first nuclear test.
Speaker 2: UH.
Speaker 1: Nineteen fifty three, when it was two minutes to midnight
Speaker 1: was when the US tests their first hydrogen bomb. Interesting,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, they had it at three minutes to midnight,
Speaker 1: and that was when the US Soviet relations reached its
Speaker 1: lowest point. Fair enough, twenty fifteen when they had it
Speaker 1: listed at oh Where to Go twenty fifteen, it was
Speaker 1: three minutes to midnight. That was when climate change and
Speaker 1: nuclear concerns. I guess that's the first year where they
Speaker 1: actually started attributing climate change, not just global conflicts impossible
Speaker 1: nuclear fallout. And in twenty twenty two when it was
Speaker 1: one hundred seconds to midnight was because of climate change,
Speaker 1: the pandemic plandemic, that foolishness, the sniffles nuclear and cyber
Speaker 1: warfare concerns. Okay, So it's not like just because they
Speaker 1: put it up on the clock saying that it's super
Speaker 1: uber close to midnight that something's gonna happen. They are
Speaker 1: just kind of looking at the grand scheme of things
Speaker 1: to say, all of these things collectively could make something happen,
Speaker 1: and it's more likely now than ever. So okay, I
Speaker 1: didn't know the Atomic Society, Yeah, okay, I could see
Speaker 1: why the Atomic Society would do that and attribute all
Speaker 1: these things to try to give a good readout.
Speaker 3: But they've been wrong thus far, so praise.
Speaker 1: Me to God. But interesting, and in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: really because of COVID and things.
Speaker 3: I thought by twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I thought most people were over it and stopped wearing
Speaker 1: their masks and just kind of moved on with their lives.
Speaker 1: I honestly didn't think it was even that much of
Speaker 1: a concern. But if we're going to talk about some
Speaker 1: sort of global quote unquote educated grouping that's trying to
Speaker 1: say something is dangerous and it's a lurking around every corner,
Speaker 1: sure in twenty twenty two, they were absolutely still scared
Speaker 1: that they were going to catch the sniffles and die.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I do remember that time pretty vividly. The biggest
Speaker 4: COVID death month in the US was January of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty two, after pretty much everyone got the vaccine, everyone
Speaker 4: who wanted it got it, And you know, it kind
Speaker 4: of goes to show that the vaccine probably didn't help
Speaker 4: prevent any of those deaths. But hospitals were still being
Speaker 4: reimbursed heavily for any kind of COVID infection or any
Speaker 4: COVID patient until March of twenty twenty two, and then
Speaker 4: when that reimbursement stopped, boom, like right after that date,
Speaker 4: the number of reported COVID cases in the country plummeted
Speaker 4: by like ninety percent because there was just no incentive
Speaker 4: to be reporting COVID cases anymore. It was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 4: I guess the pandemic's over.
Speaker 1: We would yeah, I remember, we even had an episode
Speaker 1: about it. They were attributing car wreck deaths to COVID
Speaker 1: because the person driving probably had COVID which impaired him
Speaker 1: at the wheel, which caused him direct boom. COVID death
Speaker 1: confirmed it was. They were getting ridiculous with it because,
Speaker 1: like you said, the government was subsidizing the hospitals for
Speaker 1: anything COVID related, so they were grasping a straws to
Speaker 1: try to make as much money as possible.
Speaker 3: It was, yeah, very wild, and I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: The COVID deaths just dropped off right after that report
Speaker 1: came out, So that checks out.
Speaker 4: Uh huh, yeah right. I don't think that can happen
Speaker 4: again anytime soon because there was a unique high trust
Speaker 4: situation at the beginning of this panic, when most people
Speaker 4: trusted the CDC and the WHO, and they figured okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: two weeks to flatten the curve, and then it turned
Speaker 4: into what it turned into. But if they try to
Speaker 4: pull this again, I'm glad I live in Texas now
Speaker 4: instead of California because the mask mandates are never coming
Speaker 4: back there, there's immediately going to be a huge critical
Speaker 4: mass of the population that just says no. It may
Speaker 4: not be even fifty percent, but it'll be thirty percent.
Speaker 4: It won't be the tiny one or two percent minority
Speaker 4: that it was at the beginning of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: No, although I will say, if they do try to
Speaker 1: do the mask mandates again, I'm going to just be
Speaker 1: wearing a beef vendetta mask NonStop, because that was what
Speaker 1: I did. A couple of times people looked at me
Speaker 1: like I was crazy for doing that. It was equally
Speaker 1: as crazy to be wearing the cloth masks and things.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was the weirdo, which is fine. I
Speaker 1: like being the weirdo in that regard. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing that unless unless some
Speaker 1: new thing comes out, and yes, they keep saying monkey
Speaker 1: pox is gonna take over and this new ah, what
Speaker 1: was it?
Speaker 3: Not ebola was a swine blue bird flu, that was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the old ones. It's an oldie, but
Speaker 1: goody as far as these people are concerned, if that
Speaker 1: was to actually start causing deaths, like, no, bullshit, No,
Speaker 1: narratives to try to fudge and spend, you know, into
Speaker 1: other stories. If it was confirmed that, like you went
Speaker 1: to the doctor, you felt run down and you had
Speaker 1: this weird thing going on. My phone just gave me
Speaker 1: the thumbs up, and it was confirmed that this was
Speaker 1: bird flu related, impox related. Tuberculosis is on the rise
Speaker 1: in America right now. If it was TB related, some
Speaker 1: new strain of it or whatever the case, and you
Speaker 1: knew for sure, or if you got this, you had
Speaker 1: like a fifty to fifty shot of dying and it
Speaker 1: wasn't just what the news told you. You actually were
Speaker 1: witnessing people die. Maybe they would take the mask thing
Speaker 1: or the six feet apart or whatever mandates the government
Speaker 1: gave a little more seriously. But I think that that
Speaker 1: was what they were trying to go for with COVID.
Speaker 1: I think they just took a big swing and a miss,
Speaker 1: And thankfully it's now coming out to be confirmed. COVID
Speaker 1: was designed in a lab. It wasn't from a bat
Speaker 1: that was eaten and mutated and blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely man made. I'm very happy that that
Speaker 1: narrative has finally been put to bed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, But plagues drive people crazy literally, and
Speaker 4: there have been many plagues throughout history that you can
Speaker 4: read about, and people didn't really know about germ theory
Speaker 4: back then, but whenever the Black Death was going around people,
Speaker 4: really it taps into the same region of your brain
Speaker 4: that's attached to religion and politics and nutrition and healthcare.
Speaker 4: So uh yeah, it became. It became this big movement
Speaker 4: in Europe for people to beat themselves up in response
Speaker 4: to the Black Plague, and the Catholic Church tried to
Speaker 4: ban it, and people were doing it anyway, but people
Speaker 4: feel like, oh, this is punishment against us for some
Speaker 4: kind of sin, like electing Donald Trump. I think that's
Speaker 4: how liberals kind of felt about it, even if they
Speaker 4: couldn't verbalize it that way. So they said, we must suffer,
Speaker 4: we must we must repent of this sin. I think
Speaker 4: that's what was going on subconsciously. I can't prove it,
Speaker 4: but people react thicknesses this way throughout history.
Speaker 3: I think it absolutely is connected.
Speaker 1: I mean because, and I mean not to just pull
Speaker 1: from the Jews here, but their religious practice tells them
Speaker 1: to wash a certain way, eat certain foods. It gives
Speaker 1: them a basis to live off of which, if you
Speaker 1: look at it, actually was like a very early form
Speaker 1: of what we would now called hygiene. But to them,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many Jewish people were hit with
Speaker 1: the black plague when the time came or whatever, But
Speaker 1: I mean religious dogmas dictate how people live their lives.
Speaker 1: Some of them teach you to eat whatever, drink whatever,
Speaker 1: bathe whenever, it doesn't really matter. Some of them teach
Speaker 1: you to bathe yourself in a specific way, put on
Speaker 1: your clothing in a specific way, eat things of a
Speaker 1: certain variety. And it kind of does play into that regard.
Speaker 1: So to say that the pandemics, the plagues, the whatever
Speaker 1: hit people to a religious and a political and a
Speaker 1: whatever mindset, I absolutely agree that it hits to the
Speaker 1: same portion of the brain. Har G, you, being the
Speaker 1: resident Jew, please speak in on this brother.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 2: It's just something that's very interesting is that the Tora
Speaker 2: actually talks about quarantine itself. So there was a something
Speaker 2: called sarats, which essentially some people translate as leprosy, but
Speaker 2: other people translate it is differently, that if a certain
Speaker 2: person got this certain mark on their on their skin,
Speaker 2: they would then be put into their houses for I
Speaker 2: think a couple of days or a couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: then the high priests would check on them in like
Speaker 2: seven days. And maybe it was so they're like there
Speaker 2: were there were various things to do, either one or another.
Speaker 2: So so for sure, So besides the rabbinic aspect of
Speaker 2: how to wash your hands and how to put on
Speaker 2: clothing and stuff, the tour itself actually talks about quarantine.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I mean that's not just for the
Speaker 1: Jews here. Zoroastrians, for instance, they believe that fire is
Speaker 1: the only thing that can purify objects. Now, to be
Speaker 1: fair scientifically and uh germ theory in mind, that is correct. Now,
Speaker 1: that's not the only way by any means, but it
Speaker 1: is a way of making sure that certain things we
Speaker 1: would now call sterile they would call spiritually pure. Okay,
Speaker 1: same thing, different connotation here the Islamic faith, they have
Speaker 1: certain things about which hand they use for certain things.
Speaker 1: And no, I'm not saying that to throw jokes. There's
Speaker 1: tons of jokes on that when I get it. But
Speaker 1: my point is for people to have a religious or
Speaker 1: societal way of doing things, a systemic within their culture
Speaker 1: would lead to why certain plagues and certain sicknesses hit
Speaker 1: certain areas harder than others. And I absolutely agree with you,
Speaker 1: Tony that this is indicative of why it hits the
Speaker 1: brain in the same way. And yeah, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: help me out. By the way, do you care if
Speaker 1: I call you by your first name or you want
Speaker 1: me a role with hard g I don't care you
Speaker 1: the way you can, Okay. So I mean even to
Speaker 1: the realm of like eating pork because it has the
Speaker 1: worm that can't be killed by fire. Now, on paper,
Speaker 1: that's insane, but also we now know that, especially in
Speaker 1: the old days, that was accurate. They didn't know that
Speaker 1: pork had these kinds of parasites and all of these things.
Speaker 1: They didn't know to call it parasites or whatever. They
Speaker 1: just know that their higher power told them not to
Speaker 1: eat it because there was a worm in it that
Speaker 1: they didn't know how to kill it fire. Come to
Speaker 1: find out, it was absolutely true. We didn't know about
Speaker 1: the internal cooking temperature until millennia later, millennia's later, washing
Speaker 1: your hands with running water, all these things kind of
Speaker 1: played into it. I don't know if you know your
Speaker 1: Jewish history, but do you know if the Jews were
Speaker 1: like smacked down with the Black plague equal to their
Speaker 1: other European counterparts, or were they hit a little less?
Speaker 2: I vague so vaguely. I do remember that the Jews,
Speaker 2: I think it was a little bit less. There was
Speaker 2: less of it. And I think this goes back to
Speaker 2: the idea of some sort of quarantine, that there's somebody
Speaker 2: who got sick, like they would segregate them and then
Speaker 2: after they got better. Fantastic if not, not know for sure,
Speaker 2: no doubt.
Speaker 1: So now cut to today's world, right, with some new plague,
Speaker 1: some new pandemic slash plandemic slash whatever. Right, I believe
Speaker 1: that our modern medicine and our modern standards for hygiene
Speaker 1: would kind of annount mean we as in Christians or
Speaker 1: Jews or whatever, I mean, just the Western world. I
Speaker 1: think by and large we would probably be able to
Speaker 1: handle it without the need of outside help. And I
Speaker 1: think if anything, COVID proved that we cannot trust the
Speaker 1: quote unquote medical professionals whenever they're pushing some sort of
Speaker 1: new experimental antidote, vaccine, whatever the case is, that's supposedly
Speaker 1: a one shot cure all for this new scary thing
Speaker 1: that's around the corner. I think if anything, people will
Speaker 1: rely more heavily on just washing their hands more. Maybe
Speaker 1: they will enact their own social distancing or their own quarantine.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, that would all depend on if
Speaker 1: and when the new sickness makes its way into the
Speaker 1: main populace, if it was bad enough for people to
Speaker 1: even be concerned about it anymore. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things to unpacked there and a lot of
Speaker 1: things to break down with tons of nuances. I get it.
Speaker 3: But I think that most people are just kind of
Speaker 3: over the bullshit.
Speaker 4: Right, And this is what Jay Bidacharia was calling focused protection.
Speaker 4: Don't lock down the whole country, just quarantine the people
Speaker 4: who do get sick. That was the historic response to
Speaker 4: things like this, and just way back in the day
Speaker 4: before jerum theory. This is kind of elaborating a little bit,
Speaker 4: but people would just figure, oh, the gods must be
Speaker 4: mad at us. God must be mad at us. Who's
Speaker 4: gonna save us? And they would look to their priests
Speaker 4: for guidance. And I think health wise doctors and the
Speaker 4: CDC authority figures like this have kind of acted like
Speaker 4: a modern day priestly class, and a lot of people
Speaker 4: really look up to them and think I just need
Speaker 4: to follow this advice and I'll be healthy. But I
Speaker 4: think their credibility was severely damaged. And I'm sure we
Speaker 4: all agree on that. I won't belabor the point anymore.
Speaker 4: That's just the last thing I wanted to say.
Speaker 3: I agree with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like the quote unquote educated men
Speaker 1: of the past were one hundred percent accurate. I mean,
Speaker 1: fuck Isaac Newton, who was one of the most brilliant
Speaker 1: men ever in all these things. He died from drinking
Speaker 1: mercury because he was trying to find the philosopher's stone
Speaker 1: to live forever. So I mean it's, you know, ancient Rome.
Speaker 1: For all of their brilliance that they had. Their version
Speaker 1: of a sports drink was lie and water, which is poisoned.
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, and they were drinking out
Speaker 1: of lead cups for all of their things. We know
Speaker 1: so many more things these days than they did back then.
Speaker 1: I think that we will be fine, you know.
Speaker 4: And we eat tons of soy and hys corn syrup
Speaker 4: and people are gonna look back on us, yeah, or
Speaker 4: the same kind of things. It's like, how could they
Speaker 4: best dumb?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's also kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: I really liked your episode on Yeah, dude, I appreciate
Speaker 1: that that was kind of a shout out of a cannon.
Speaker 1: We didn't have a lot of planning and prep time
Speaker 1: for that. We had a guess that canceled on us
Speaker 1: last minute. So I had found a couple of things
Speaker 1: that I knew a few of the dangers of soy,
Speaker 1: and I knew a couple of the articles that we
Speaker 1: had talked about. I had heard those talking points before,
Speaker 1: I had never actually done a true dive into it
Speaker 1: for myself. I try to keep away from soy just
Speaker 1: because I knew that it does. It doesn't create more estrogen,
Speaker 1: but the molecules inside of it act like an estrogen.
Speaker 1: Your body receives it the same way, very similar to
Speaker 1: how high fructose corn syrup and sugar nutritionally allegedly, Big
Speaker 1: Big alleged underlined italicized asterix the whole nine on this
Speaker 1: word here, allegedly, your body consumes it and processes it
Speaker 1: in the exact same way. Now, I may personally think
Speaker 1: that there's a little bit of a lie underlined with that,
Speaker 1: but per the quote unquote, scientists and nutritionalists they they
Speaker 1: they break down in your body the same way, and
Speaker 1: you can get diabetes from overdoing hyped fruitcose corn syrup
Speaker 1: just as easily as you can from overdoing it with
Speaker 1: processed sugar or sugar in general, honestly, but the same way.
Speaker 1: Soy has a chemical compound in it that is not
Speaker 1: actual estrogen, but it's your body sees it the same
Speaker 1: way and will up the testosterone and up its own
Speaker 1: estrogen production to match it. So it does in fact
Speaker 1: make men more effeminate. And on the flip side of that,
Speaker 1: and I don't even know if he talked about this
Speaker 1: in the episode, it actually makes women more masculine because
Speaker 1: it ups their estrogen content or UH levels, so their
Speaker 1: body will overproduce testosterone to match it. Except it's not estrogen,
Speaker 1: so it overdoes the testosterone in that regard, and it's
Speaker 1: it's very bad for us. It's very wild how and
Speaker 1: why they use it.
Speaker 3: In so many of our products.
Speaker 1: Have y'all gone in y'all's pantries and just viewed how
Speaker 1: much of it has soy products in it?
Speaker 4: Actually I don't have that much, really, yeah, because I
Speaker 4: deliberately don't buy it.
Speaker 1: Good for you, Tony, you've been ahead of the curve
Speaker 1: from day one, Royce, So what about to you? Brother?
Speaker 2: So now that I am doing much better with than
Speaker 2: my nutrition, it's getting getting better. I'm also listening to
Speaker 2: your episode about that. I was like, yeah, I've got
Speaker 2: to do my best to cut this shit out. So basically,
Speaker 2: one of the things that my personal trainer told me
Speaker 2: is that like, if if it's as natural from the
Speaker 2: ground or meat pulture or whatever, do it that way,
Speaker 2: so like natural grain as opposed to like being overly processed.
Speaker 2: You know, meat that looks like meat, vegetables that look
Speaker 2: like vegetables. So that's why I am trying to go
Speaker 2: a lot perfect No, but it was just looking through
Speaker 2: the pantry in general, or just most Americans, it is
Speaker 2: as used that filled with nonsense and garbage, even even
Speaker 2: the coaching stuff. And that's really funny. If people are like,
Speaker 2: hey you need coaches that really no honey buns or
Speaker 2: kosher oreos are dude, I promise you there's there's a
Speaker 2: circle U on it. There's actually I'll go in to
Speaker 2: it with you later, but there's actually a way you
Speaker 2: can tell if something is coachher or not by looking
Speaker 2: at the There's a there's a certain mark, because there
Speaker 2: there are organizations that actually go into various plants to
Speaker 2: supervise it. As long and as long as it is
Speaker 2: orthodoxy revision, like, there will be a various different marks.
Speaker 2: So like a star K, a circle, K a circle you.
Speaker 2: So there there's literally when I tell you there are thousands,
Speaker 2: there there are like there's like big corporations. Then you
Speaker 2: have like little community communal rabbis. They get together and
Speaker 2: they okay, well let's go and see if all the
Speaker 2: ingredients are kosher. But yeah, uh eatn kocher has absolutely
Speaker 2: zero to do with health. As I said, like cheerios,
Speaker 2: honey buns, oreos, not most garbage is kosher just because
Speaker 2: the ingredients are not a problem.
Speaker 1: They're not expressly forbidden, therefore they're okay.
Speaker 2: Right. I didn't say that again, please.
Speaker 3: I said they're not expressly forbidden, therefore they're okay.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So it's more that the ingredients do don't contain four products,
Speaker 2: animal products or anything or any kind of shell fish.
Speaker 2: As far as chemicals, I don't know, but I'm also
Speaker 2: not a not a rabbi and not an expert completely.
Speaker 2: But like so in like sugar, like a sugar plant,
Speaker 2: whatever will have a kosher symbol and you just look
Speaker 2: at how how it's made. Basically, their rabbis will go
Speaker 2: into any plant and they will be given the uh
Speaker 2: the ingredients and uh so they will they will determine
Speaker 2: whether or not it is and and they know like
Speaker 2: all these you know, compounds. The funny part is is
Speaker 2: as far as coca cola, there are different rabbis that
Speaker 2: they that they actually pick because they don't want one
Speaker 2: person knowing all the ingredients, so they have like different
Speaker 2: organizations or different rabbis. So that's kind of a funny thing.
Speaker 2: Also during passover, coca cola is made differently. It's actually
Speaker 2: made with actual sugar as opposed to corn.
Speaker 1: Syrup, so you'll have to use the quote unquote real
Speaker 1: coke for passover. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: So it's it's the difference between actual sugar and the
Speaker 2: high fruitose corn syrup which we're not allowed to consume
Speaker 2: on passover.
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to consume high fruitose corn syrup on passover.
Speaker 2: No, So like one we are not allowed to eat
Speaker 2: like Levenae products or and we're things that we have
Speaker 2: a tradition for us and interesting enough, So depending on
Speaker 2: whether you're askenazic ASPARTI. Sometimes some of the rules not
Speaker 2: don't not change. But like so for example, Spartan they
Speaker 2: have no problem eating like legumes on Passover as opposed
Speaker 2: to someone who's a can'ts So like even sometimes the
Speaker 2: mazza might be slightly different one way or the other
Speaker 2: just because of depending on where you're from, you'll have
Speaker 2: different traditions as to what that means.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I didn't know this, Tony. I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to cut you off if you had question for him.
Speaker 4: Oh, I was saying, I assumed that any plant would
Speaker 4: be kosher, but I guess not, and I'm glad to
Speaker 4: learn that. I figure.
Speaker 2: So basically, like so, any plant that's from the earth
Speaker 2: asult is unprocessed as one of present kosher. Basically, once
Speaker 2: you start to process it and it goes through a
Speaker 2: plants and it and once you start adding human hands
Speaker 2: is when you need the supervision one way or the other.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because sugar is absolutely processed. Hell, the reason
Speaker 1: me and Tony know each other is because I was
Speaker 1: working at a sugar refinery. Tony was one of our
Speaker 1: company reps that will come out and do stuff for
Speaker 1: us from time to time and work on stuff for
Speaker 1: us and certify pieces of equipment. So I can tell
Speaker 1: you for sure, sugar, at least the sugar that goes
Speaker 1: into Cokes white sugar is one hundred percent uh dealt
Speaker 1: with by human hands. That's crazy that that is considered kosher.
Speaker 1: But high fruit does cornsrup isn't that.
Speaker 2: So it's not that it's not considered kosure just but
Speaker 2: during that period it's time you can only use something
Speaker 2: that's actually that's not corn syruved, just because of how
Speaker 2: they are how they define leavening products.
Speaker 3: It might also have to do with the process itself.
Speaker 1: I will say that as far as how they make sugar,
Speaker 1: it's literally just water like there was no chemicals used
Speaker 1: anywhere on site, which is why I could have this
Speaker 1: beard for anybody who works in the chemical and oil
Speaker 1: refinery system, and in that industry you cannot have facial
Speaker 1: or at certain places you can, but most often you cannot.
Speaker 1: In case you need to put on a respirator if
Speaker 1: they have a chlorine leak two units over, you need
Speaker 1: to be able to put an escape respirator on, and
Speaker 1: that not always can be something that can be worn
Speaker 1: with a beard. Sometimes they have the mouthpiece respirators. But
Speaker 1: I digress. For where we worked not there was literally
Speaker 1: zero harmful chemicals everywhere. There was some chemicals we have
Speaker 1: put in our water for a lot, you know, to
Speaker 1: keep the algae from forming and stuff. But everything else
Speaker 1: was just cooking and boiling and steaming out the raw
Speaker 1: sugar to get to white sugar. So maybe there's something
Speaker 1: to that. How they take corn and turn it into
Speaker 1: high fruitose CORNSRT.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's some you know, dissemination into what.
Speaker 1: Other outside uh outside agents are used in the process.
Speaker 1: I'm not really familiar with it, but that also kind
Speaker 1: of makes sense, right, Interesting, you're teaching us new stuff here, Royce.
Speaker 1: I swear I'm glad you're you're our in house Jewish correspondent.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad that I can contribute some way.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, dude. Now with that being in said, you're
Speaker 1: talking about like the circle, k the stark, the circle.
Speaker 2: U sure.
Speaker 3: And I know you're not speaking on behalf of Islamic
Speaker 3: by any means.
Speaker 1: But kosher and halal usually get brought up into the
Speaker 1: same conversation. Yes, I know they are very very different,
Speaker 1: but is their symbols for halal stuff as well, there
Speaker 1: are most people.
Speaker 2: They're there. There for sure are symbols for halal, but
Speaker 2: obviously very very very different standards to where like you
Speaker 2: can't eat shellfish, and I know that there that there
Speaker 2: have been that as long as it's not pork, like
Speaker 2: sometimes like you'll have like baby clans will have a
Speaker 2: halal symbol on it because it's not pork. So so
Speaker 2: so interestingly enough, so somebody who keeves halal can eat
Speaker 2: anything that that that let's say they're strictly halal, right,
Speaker 2: not these ones that like bullshit and half pascet right,
Speaker 2: so you any person who really is halal can't eat kosher,
Speaker 2: but it cannot be the other area. So somebody who
Speaker 2: eats kochher if they see something that that says halal
Speaker 2: on it, like no, no winner.
Speaker 3: Right, that's it.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that that people of the Islamic faith
Speaker 1: could eat shellfish. I've never really doved into it. I
Speaker 1: know that the pork is pretty much outright across the board.
Speaker 1: I know that as far as meat products are concerned,
Speaker 1: like beef, if you if something is hulal, I know
Speaker 1: that kosher you could also eat it. Because it's like
Speaker 1: there's even less blood in the meat if it's all
Speaker 1: all but.
Speaker 2: Really because so so meat is very complicated according to
Speaker 2: the Jewish way, because not so the similar to hulal,
Speaker 2: the meat needs to be killed in a certain fashion,
Speaker 2: right so the blood does does need to be drawn brained.
Speaker 2: It's also soaked and also salted and also needs to
Speaker 2: be under specific people. Uh, they're called shokts. So people
Speaker 2: that actually are trained in how ritual slaughter earths as
Speaker 2: you would say in English. So these people that are
Speaker 2: trained in this manner like so you also you'll have
Speaker 2: Jews that won't even have that won't even eat meat
Speaker 2: from certain areas, right. So, like there are some people
Speaker 2: who are McCall ultra or ultra ultra Orthodox, like they
Speaker 2: will only have meat from this slaughter because they know
Speaker 2: that person is God fearing and he does everything correctly.
Speaker 2: You also have organization that saved with the meat coachure.
Speaker 2: That's not so you've heard. I'm sure of Hebrew nationals,
Speaker 2: right most orthos, you will not touch it. They will
Speaker 2: not touch it because of the organization that does. It
Speaker 2: is not as intense, is not it doesn't inspect some
Speaker 2: of the things that other organizations do. So like yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's that is kind of funny. Most most worth
Speaker 2: docks us will not touch it with a ten football.
Speaker 2: They'll be like, yeah, Koz are ish, but not good
Speaker 2: enough for the majority of standards to blow them.
Speaker 1: My mind right now, dude, I thought that was kind
Speaker 1: of the flip opposite as far as like the beef
Speaker 1: was concerned. Although I can understand, like if, like you said,
Speaker 1: the ultra orthodox, they'll go to their slaughter er because
Speaker 1: they know this guy and they're not personally, but they
Speaker 1: know at least their quality and they know things are
Speaker 1: done by the book.
Speaker 3: And it's I get all that, but I forget where
Speaker 3: I saw.
Speaker 1: It was a quick little you know, there's little mini
Speaker 1: documentaries you'll see on YouTube from time to time, and
Speaker 1: it was showing how a regular steak, a kosher steak,
Speaker 1: and a hallal steak, the whull all left unrefrigerating whatever else,
Speaker 1: actually rotted slower than the other two. Because the story
Speaker 1: at least was that there was less blood in the
Speaker 1: hallal steak, and that was kind of a portion as
Speaker 1: to why it was done this way. I didn't know
Speaker 1: all these other things, So okay, you really have to
Speaker 1: test the source before you put it in your body
Speaker 1: or into your temple. Okay, And to that regard, this
Speaker 1: is why I think certain communities got hit less by
Speaker 1: the plandemics and by plagues of the past. This all
Speaker 1: kind of ties in.
Speaker 2: Sure. Wow, so.
Speaker 1: Hmm, yeah, Okay, that that kind of checks out. Wow,
Speaker 1: you've been You've been kind of silent on this one.
Speaker 1: Do you have any questions that you would like to
Speaker 1: chime in with?
Speaker 7: Oh, I'm just listening right now.
Speaker 6: I'm I have like a totally different dietary stuff with mine. So,
Speaker 6: and there's product Their stuff is made with tons of
Speaker 6: soybean and oils, and it's damn near impossible to find
Speaker 6: stuff that doesn't have uh, it's not made with that.
Speaker 6: So because of the gluten and dairy free stuff, like,
Speaker 6: there's not many options. So it's it's a whole pain
Speaker 6: in the ass.
Speaker 3: No doubt. Okay.
Speaker 1: Is gluten a part of the Jewish restrictions?
Speaker 2: How does that tie mean?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: I've looked up exactly what gluten is forgiving, I don't
Speaker 2: remember off the toime I head. Gluten for sure is
Speaker 2: kosher because when I used to make my bread I
Speaker 2: follow for Friday and actually add gluten to it because
Speaker 2: it would make the bread more doughey.
Speaker 3: So well, Sidney buns were kosher, so yeah, nevermind.
Speaker 1: Gluten is absolutely blessed by the rabbinical class for sure.
Speaker 2: A lot of beer to the coacher too.
Speaker 1: So mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an all wheat, barley, rye, and spelt and
Speaker 4: another one.
Speaker 2: Oh, so the five grains we know, so rye, oats, spelt, barley,
Speaker 2: and rye.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm pretty sure my wife gets gluten free oats.
Speaker 4: It's just that oats are often processed in proximity to wheat.
Speaker 4: But you can get gluten free oats, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 7: Okay, can we just use them today?
Speaker 4: No? No, but she she is allergic to gluten and
Speaker 4: she found out twenty ten. She was one of the
Speaker 4: early ones. I'd never heard of gluten before I met her.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then Raven, you said that y'all actually just
Speaker 1: had gluten free oats today.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we have a big bag of them.
Speaker 6: They're gluten free and they have like the certified gluten
Speaker 6: free on it and all this stuff. So they've come
Speaker 6: out with a whole bunch of news stuff too over
Speaker 6: the last few years. The problem is that you just
Speaker 6: have to be like really careful, like if you read
Speaker 6: the ingredients, just kind of understanding the ingredients and making
Speaker 6: sure you're not just using pure chemical stuff.
Speaker 7: But the general mills.
Speaker 6: I think it is rolled oats, bob Op's red.
Speaker 7: Mill, bob Bread's mill.
Speaker 6: That's what it is, is the rolled oats gluten free one.
Speaker 4: Well, it's also not too difficult to be gluten free
Speaker 4: if you eat a lot of Asian food like rice.
Speaker 1: I was just about to ask, is rice gluten? I
Speaker 1: know I'm asking completely out of ignorance here. I thought
Speaker 1: gluten is just pretty much the stuff that makes food good.
Speaker 3: Like MSG, you know what I mean. But like, so
Speaker 3: rice is not gluten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, rice is gluten free. Corn is gluten free. Sorghum
Speaker 4: is gluten free. There's lots of other different kinds of
Speaker 4: grains out there, But if you eat Asian food or
Speaker 4: Mexican food, it's pretty easy to be a gluten free
Speaker 4: that way. Gluten it's mainly in wheat. Wheat is about
Speaker 4: ten percent gluten. It's the glycoprotein that makes it really sticky.
Speaker 4: Barley's got less than wheat. Rice got less than barley.
Speaker 4: I don't know what spelts got in it. And beer
Speaker 4: has a kind of relatively low gluten because the fermentation
Speaker 4: really knocks it down to like ten parts per million.
Speaker 4: But straight wheat is like one hundred thousand parts per million.
Speaker 4: It's like ten percent really high.
Speaker 1: So Royce with kosher beer? How does I know that
Speaker 1: there is kosher beers? There's a place in bad Roots
Speaker 1: called Chimes. They had what it's like a wall of beers.
Speaker 1: It's like five hundred or one thousand different beers, and
Speaker 1: I remember seeing one that was like they even said kosher,
Speaker 1: and I was like, does it tastes different? So I
Speaker 1: ordered it, you know back when I did drink, and
Speaker 1: it was it didn't taste any different. It tasted like
Speaker 1: a well made beer. But what is the thing about it.
Speaker 2: All? So whenever something is advertised as kocher all day,
Speaker 2: all that means is that facility that plant is under
Speaker 2: orthodoxual rebinding supervision. That's literally all it means.
Speaker 1: When you say supervision, do you mean they have like
Speaker 1: a Jewish rabbi as like a lead foreman on a
Speaker 1: certain shift, or do you mean like within the realm
Speaker 1: of the you know, the office people of this facility,
Speaker 1: there's a rabbi, Like what do you mean.
Speaker 2: For the most part, what it means as that. Okay,
Speaker 2: so let's just say you have a company, a beer company, right.
Speaker 2: They want to try to advertise for more people, right,
Speaker 2: so they will call up various groups to try give
Speaker 2: them best deal. And basically what they do is they
Speaker 2: will find one that they like, that they believe is reputable.
Speaker 2: They will call a company, They will pay that company
Speaker 2: a certain amount of money per year, and then that
Speaker 2: company would would go to the facility. After they went
Speaker 2: to the facility, they would just again check to make
Speaker 2: sure that there's no shell product, animal products, and all
Speaker 2: the ingredients are good. And then basically they will say,
Speaker 2: all right, well we will put our mark on it,
Speaker 2: and at any point in time, we can do a
Speaker 2: basically a spot check, like we can come in here
Speaker 2: five days a week, you know, six days a week, whatever.
Speaker 2: But like if we come in here and it's not
Speaker 2: running like it's going to, then what we're going to
Speaker 2: do is we are going to put out put your
Speaker 2: company on blasts that says this company is bearing an
Speaker 2: unauthorized symbol, and then basically you will be blacklisted. Ish.
Speaker 2: But it's all about all that money and trying to
Speaker 2: advertise to the greatest company. But all that means is
Speaker 2: that you're you're paying a company to put their stamp
Speaker 2: on it that all the increases. There are some companies
Speaker 2: that will never inherently be kosher, I mean, are never
Speaker 2: gonna be kosher.
Speaker 1: Right right, I see what you're saying. You're basically paying
Speaker 1: for the rabbinical class to come. It's not saying that
Speaker 1: it's under their supervision, but you are saying that you
Speaker 1: are within the realm of acceptable behavior, and that you
Speaker 1: have licensed through them, and that they can come and
Speaker 1: audit you at any time to make sure that things
Speaker 1: are I was going to use the term to make
Speaker 1: sure things are kosher. I was gonna use as as,
Speaker 1: but actually per the word here, that's correct.
Speaker 3: So yes, okay, very cool. Okay, So under their.
Speaker 1: Supervision, I e. Within the realm of acceptable behavior, and
Speaker 1: they could send any rabbi to come in and audit
Speaker 1: you in any time to make sure that things are
Speaker 1: on the up and up.
Speaker 3: Okay, this makes sense.
Speaker 2: And then then you and then there are various levels.
Speaker 2: So you have like meats, dairy, and like ParvE, which
Speaker 2: is basically like in between, like water is neither meat
Speaker 2: nor dairy. So you will have different classifications, and even
Speaker 2: when it comes to dairy products itself, like there was
Speaker 2: a general level and then there is a higher level.
Speaker 2: So let's say so the general level as we were
Speaker 2: saying with fore, like you know, the rabbits could come
Speaker 2: in there and just do spot checks, and then you
Speaker 2: have a higher level in which the supervision is literally
Speaker 2: from the milking until it gets to the company itself. Wow,
Speaker 2: and that's more, that's more expansive. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Another place we used to work, I used to work
Speaker 1: at the sugar refinery. They even they told me a
Speaker 1: story about one time there was a specific order that
Speaker 1: was going to some sort of Kosher facility. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what they were gonna make with this sugar or
Speaker 1: whatever it was, but it was something that was for
Speaker 1: the purpose of going to a Jewish population of consumers.
Speaker 1: And they actually had rabbis come out and bless the
Speaker 1: load so to speak, before it went and shipped out
Speaker 1: to them. So like, there's there's levels to these things
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: So it's actually not blessed, believe or not, it's actually
Speaker 2: not blessing has zero to do with it.
Speaker 5: All.
Speaker 2: I think they were just making sure everything was completely sealed.
Speaker 3: They said they gave prayers and shit, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know how accurate that would be.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, I'm sure there was like super
Speaker 1: nuances to this, or it was going to a place
Speaker 1: for a specific purpose, to be used to make certain things.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but this before my time. I
Speaker 1: wasn't there when the rabbis were out there saying the
Speaker 1: words and things. But they had mentioned that at least
Speaker 1: one specific load or one order was absolutely going to
Speaker 1: that purpose. And they had rabbis come out and like
Speaker 1: either maybe they maybe they were doing their spot check,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, and the local Cajun community thought that
Speaker 1: that meant blessing it. I could be completely wrong. The
Speaker 1: place I used to work, these people probably wouldn't know
Speaker 1: the difference.
Speaker 2: I don't know sure. I mean, I'll tell you this,
Speaker 2: When most people talk about kosher, the first thing that
Speaker 2: people say, oh, it's your food's blessed by a rabbi
Speaker 2: like that. That's like generally the first thing that everybody says.
Speaker 2: But that's just not that. But unfortunately that's not accurate.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well damn it. I kind of thought it was cool,
Speaker 3: but never mind, these people just.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, all right, So we have talked about nuclear situations,
Speaker 1: We've talked about food issues and things like that. What
Speaker 1: else does everybody have going on that they would like
Speaker 1: to speak on on this evening?
Speaker 4: Well, one more thing about soybeans. Hopefully this is quick
Speaker 4: and also dietary wise. The group I like the most
Speaker 4: is called the Weston Price Institute. If anyone wants to
Speaker 4: google that, I heard it. They're big on meat and
Speaker 4: trying to, you know, minimize grains and stuff. But I
Speaker 4: tried to research the history of soybeans going back a
Speaker 4: long way, and I in China. The way it started
Speaker 4: out was in the Joe dynasty about one thousand BC.
Speaker 4: You talked about this a little bit.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: They were using soybeans because they were great at introducing
Speaker 4: fixed nitrogen into the soil. The majority of nitrogen that
Speaker 4: we deal with is just in the air, and it's
Speaker 4: one of the strongest bonds in nature. The only thing
Speaker 4: that can break it in nature is like lightning and
Speaker 4: a few enzymes and beans. So Chinese people were growing
Speaker 4: the soybeans in order to replenish nitrogen in their soil,
Speaker 4: and they realized that it had the roots of the
Speaker 4: soybean just had a fantastic effect on the soil. So
Speaker 4: when the Joe people invented the character for the soybean,
Speaker 4: it had huge roots. It really emphasized the root structure.
Speaker 4: But it wasn't like other beans that they down that
Speaker 4: were for human consumption. Because they ended up with all
Speaker 4: these beans and they knew that it wasn't really good
Speaker 4: to consume. They tried making some soy milk out of
Speaker 4: it and some other fermented products. They tried using it
Speaker 4: for animal feed, they tried using it as fertilizer. It
Speaker 4: wasn't really that good for much. So Ever, since one
Speaker 4: thousand BC, people have been trying to find a use
Speaker 4: for this stuff, and that's why we have a lot
Speaker 4: of soybean oil now. It's because, well, people have just
Speaker 4: been trying to find a use for it. So that's
Speaker 4: why it's been genetically modified so that it's better for
Speaker 4: human consumption. And it's really high in the fat content too.
Speaker 4: You mentioned it's like for fatty acids, and yeah, it's
Speaker 4: extracted with hexsaye. You mentioned hechsane and why don't they
Speaker 4: use ethanol. The reason is that there's a big phase
Speaker 4: separation in the process where when they up the oil
Speaker 4: floats to the top and then there's this big aqueous
Speaker 4: layer below it that's denser. And if you use hexane
Speaker 4: or an organic solvent like that that's very lipophilic and hydrophobic,
Speaker 4: unlike ethanol. That helps extract all of the fatty acids
Speaker 4: into the organic layer, and then it's got to be
Speaker 4: you know, boiled out under a vacuum. Well, anyway, it's
Speaker 4: just that ever since a thousand BC, people have been
Speaker 4: trying to find some use for these soybeans, and that's
Speaker 4: why there's so much of it. And it's so cheap. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so good for the soil. Oh and one last thing,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you mentioned this in the podcast,
Speaker 4: but a lot of land that used to be used
Speaker 4: for growing tobacco in the United States is used for
Speaker 4: growing soybeans. Now. That's what they did with it because
Speaker 4: there's so little demand for tobacco now by comparison to
Speaker 4: what it was fifty sixty, seventy years ago, but the
Speaker 4: land went to soybeans instead.
Speaker 1: No, you're absolutely correct. A couple of things off of
Speaker 1: what you just said, so I looked it up later.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about the process of why they would
Speaker 1: use hexane over ethanol. But that makes a lot of
Speaker 1: sense to me because ethanol has a higher burn point
Speaker 1: than hexane, so if that was the case, it would
Speaker 1: actually burn off the oils rather than be able to
Speaker 1: heat them to extract them. So I could see that
Speaker 1: being a quote unquote portion of the reason why they
Speaker 1: would use hexhane. But even still, the fact that they
Speaker 1: are using petroleum products in food process that should be,
Speaker 1: if not the biggest, but a massive red flag to
Speaker 1: anybody of like, yeah, you're putting a crude oil by
Speaker 1: product into your body and that's not good. And I
Speaker 1: know people will say, well, yeah, so are the pill
Speaker 1: capsles that we use, those are petroleum based. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not good, Like we don't need to do that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I used to work for a Chevron refinery
Speaker 4: and we sold some food grade oil uberkins. I mean
Speaker 4: well yeah, like food grade lubricants for lubricating hoses and
Speaker 4: stuff at McDonald's. Yeah, and that stuff. Get back to
Speaker 4: what we said earlier, it was actually kosher and tarive certified.
Speaker 4: It had the little symbols on it. This was base
Speaker 4: oil from underground but refined to the point it was
Speaker 4: considered safe for human consumptions. So we sold that.
Speaker 3: That blows my mind.
Speaker 1: And even the place I used to work with, the
Speaker 1: everything we had to it was food grade. Like we
Speaker 1: couldn't use WD forty on certain things. We couldn't use
Speaker 1: kroll to break loose rusted bolts and stuff because that
Speaker 1: wasn't food grade. But the stuff we could use that
Speaker 1: was quote unquote food grade was very much toxic and
Speaker 1: you could not eat it. So and then when you
Speaker 1: look at what it actually was consistent of it, it
Speaker 1: was still petroleum based. It was just a quote unquote
Speaker 1: cleaner petroleum base. Yeah it got I.
Speaker 3: Didn't mean I was about to make a punt.
Speaker 1: It got really slippery there, But yeah, I mean, in
Speaker 1: that same regard it it doesn't make sense as long
Speaker 1: as these people pay the proper extortion fee to get
Speaker 1: the little certification logo on the product totally safe for
Speaker 1: human consumption, except it's not. Yeah, And soy is a
Speaker 1: horrible additive to things. And I know, like for instance,
Speaker 1: Raven Lee, I know she had to take off early
Speaker 1: Love your Raven for people like Raven who they have
Speaker 1: kids with crazy dietary restrictions and stuff, and soy is
Speaker 1: like what they have to use. I get it, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not, and I hope that people didn't take it
Speaker 1: like that. Whenever we made that episode that I am
Speaker 1: or we are judging those who are eating soy based products.
Speaker 1: Most of what you have in your pantry right now
Speaker 1: is soy based, but we did that episode to raise
Speaker 1: awareness of it. People need to be aware of what
Speaker 1: they're putting in their bodies, and if you must ingest soy,
Speaker 1: limit it. The fermented versus unfermented soy based products. Now,
Speaker 1: that was a whole other talking point that I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about before I started doing research for that episode.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, doctor Berg, who was the
Speaker 1: guy that we had quoted, and he played a little
Speaker 1: video by him, Apparently there's some serious controversy around him.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this before we had that clip on
Speaker 1: the show. And this doesn't detract from everything that he
Speaker 1: was saying, but apparently he's like a scientologist esque, like
Speaker 1: he's out of his actual mind. And his son has
Speaker 1: actually come forward and tried to like ruin his reputation.
Speaker 1: So apparently there's like levels to this guy of shitbag behavior.
Speaker 1: I don't know that for a fact, but that is
Speaker 1: what at least his son has said. But the research
Speaker 1: that he has done into what soy does to the
Speaker 1: human biome and to our hormones and everything else is
Speaker 1: without compare. But apparently it's like, you know, everybody's got
Speaker 1: a little bit of something in it for themselves. And
Speaker 1: apparently he's borderline charlatan about a couple of things that
Speaker 1: he also mentions about other types of nutrition facts. So
Speaker 1: it's like whenever those things came to light, it made
Speaker 1: people start to question what he had said about soy,
Speaker 1: even though those were confirmed scientifically and nutritionally to be true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. That was actually a kind of crazy episode.
Speaker 1: And I really do hope that people started doing their
Speaker 1: own research off of this and went down their own
Speaker 1: rabbit holes to discover more things and find their own
Speaker 1: truths that they can be healthier. But yeah, the soy
Speaker 1: is is rampant.
Speaker 3: And to your point also about the tobacco farming.
Speaker 1: So right around where I used to work is the
Speaker 1: only place on Earth where a specific type of tobacco
Speaker 1: has grown. It's called Perak tobacco. There's at one point
Speaker 1: they had fields and fields of it. Now in today's world,
Speaker 1: there's only fourteen acres of it in existence period. Right now,
Speaker 1: my extended family. And by extended I mean like sixth
Speaker 1: cousins three times removed or whatever the hell they own
Speaker 1: twelve of those fourteen acres. And if anybody anybody out
Speaker 1: there listening to this is a smoker, if you were
Speaker 1: to go and buy American Spirit, the black pack that
Speaker 1: is made with a cut Perique Connecticut or I think
Speaker 1: it might be Virginia tobacco, either Virginia Connecticut.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure the.
Speaker 1: Breed, but it's made with Perik tobacco and it's a
Speaker 1: really strong, bold flavor, very spicy flavor, which is why
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't smoke them. To any of
Speaker 1: the old cats out there that might know about it,
Speaker 1: if you ever heard of a picayune or you gets
Speaker 1: you a pack of Piccayune cigarettes, that's pure Periq, and uh,
Speaker 1: if you ever do try that. Even when I was
Speaker 1: a smoker, I couldn't just sit there and burn one
Speaker 1: of those down, dude. It took me like three or
Speaker 1: four smoke breaks to burn one of those Perik cigarettes
Speaker 1: because that thing it hurts, It hits you into chest.
Speaker 1: But to a lot of those Perique fields that used
Speaker 1: to run, they're now soy fields and you go to Virginia,
Speaker 1: you go to Connecticut, you go to the other places
Speaker 1: around America where you to home grow our own tobacco.
Speaker 1: Most of those fields are soy. Now, a few of
Speaker 1: them are corn, and a few of those have some
Speaker 1: other ones, but vast majority of your soy because it's
Speaker 1: more profitable. There are so many different refineries that are
Speaker 1: willing to buy your soy and process it to make
Speaker 1: everything else that Americas they're eating. And you're right, so
Speaker 1: many Americans are no longer smoking tobacco anymore.
Speaker 3: Everybody's going to the vapes.
Speaker 1: I know I'm guilty of that myself, but I do,
Speaker 1: in fact, still enjoy a good cigar from time to time.
Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a nerd with those, but I digress.
Speaker 1: And you're right as far as what that's doing to
Speaker 1: our soil, it's but even still, it's still monocropping. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it does put nitrogen back into the soil, but I
Speaker 1: feel like at a certain point you can only do
Speaker 1: so much and it actually starts to hurt.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, yeah, keep going, I'm googling something.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean that that was all I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: is basically monocropping of any regard, whether it's tobacco or
Speaker 1: squash or corn or I mean name it. If you're
Speaker 1: cropping anything, eventually you're just going to destroy the soil itself.
Speaker 1: And I mean that's not good for anybody. But these
Speaker 1: people are looking at it with the dollar signs rather
Speaker 1: than the long term effects it has on their fields
Speaker 1: and on the earth itself. It's not positive. It is
Speaker 1: really not positive. I remember I was working at a
Speaker 1: place in West Baton Rouge. At one point I was
Speaker 1: up on top of a tower. We had some out
Speaker 1: of state rep come through and around every single one
Speaker 1: of these plants, you'll usually see fields, if not the river,
Speaker 1: and uh, row after row after row, and this guy
Speaker 1: was like, what are they grown over there?
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's soy and he was like, this has
Speaker 3: grown here.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, most of what you're driving through in
Speaker 1: Louisiana's either going to be sugarcane soy, and you may
Speaker 1: find a cornfield on occasion, but it's mostly soy and sugarcane.
Speaker 1: And even that sugar cane has gone by the wayside too.
Speaker 1: A lot of it in Louisiana. It's like these old
Speaker 1: families that have had this land since pre Civil War,
Speaker 1: and they've been growing sugar cane there for you know,
Speaker 1: umpteen generations, but a lot of them have also gone
Speaker 1: by the wayside, and now they're growing soy monocropoly because
Speaker 1: it's more profitable. Sugar is high fructose corn syrup is
Speaker 1: more readily available than pure sugar these days. And to
Speaker 1: what Royce had said earlier, you have to find cokes
Speaker 1: made with sugar as opposed to high fructose corn syrup.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, what are you googling, Tony?
Speaker 4: I was doogling what happens to all the fixed nitrogen
Speaker 4: that soybeans make in the soil, and it looks like
Speaker 4: we don't really need soybeans for making fixed nitrogen anymore.
Speaker 4: There was a guy named Fritz Haber just before during
Speaker 4: World War One, a Jewish German chemist who came up
Speaker 4: with another way to make fixed nitrogen out of hydrogen
Speaker 4: gas nitrogen under high pressure and temperature, and that was
Speaker 4: used also to make a lot of munitions at the time.
Speaker 4: It is well way a group in Arkansas is trying
Speaker 4: to develop versions of the soybean that actually make less
Speaker 4: fixed nitrogen, because I guess there's the soybean fields monocropping.
Speaker 4: It's putting too much nitrogen into the soil, and they're
Speaker 4: trying to find a way to make it stop. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I just thought i'd look into that popper. I mean,
Speaker 4: have to fix nitrogen in the world today comes from
Speaker 4: his process. And he was a German Jewish chemist. And
Speaker 4: he also tried to find a way to extract gold
Speaker 4: from the ocean to pay Germany's war debt after World
Speaker 4: War One. And I think unfortunately he lived long enough
Speaker 4: that when the Nazis took over, I think he had
Speaker 4: to flee Germany because he was Jewish, but he was
Speaker 4: a very patriotic German.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: In the World War One period, he had a phrase
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try to say accurately. He said, de viston
Speaker 4: schaftler deep in freedom, demensh height intre dim flash land.
Speaker 4: And you who probably figure out what that means with there's.
Speaker 1: A portion of that. I picked up a couple of
Speaker 1: those words that got lost on.
Speaker 4: He does in peacetime the scientist serves humanity, but in
Speaker 4: wartime he serves his fatherland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could see that the German Jewish scientists
Speaker 1: were cutting edge.
Speaker 3: I mean, hell Albert Einstein was one of them.
Speaker 1: And Uh, the method that your boy was talking about
Speaker 1: to extract gold from the ocean, I remember looking.
Speaker 3: At this a while back.
Speaker 1: Apparently it's like ninety three percent, give or take, of
Speaker 1: all the gold extracted from the Earth we can account
Speaker 1: for right now. The same can't be said for silver
Speaker 1: because it gets used and processed and whatever. But that
Speaker 1: being said, the ocean holds more gold than anything else
Speaker 1: on Earth. I forget what study it was, but they
Speaker 1: said if they were to extract all of the gold
Speaker 1: from the ocean, it would be enough to cover the
Speaker 1: entire land mass of all continents on Earth knee deep
Speaker 1: in gold. But it's an expensive process and they haven't
Speaker 1: found a way to make it efficient enough to justify
Speaker 1: doing this thing. But Fritz was the guy who pioneered
Speaker 1: that technology, which is I mean, personally, I find the
Speaker 1: thing to be mind blowing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he made a serious attempt at it, but he
Speaker 4: wasn't able to because it's only like a few parts
Speaker 4: per trillion or something. Yeah, and he also greatly overestimated
Speaker 4: the amount of gold that there would be in the
Speaker 4: ocean based on some measurements he did with samples that
Speaker 4: were already contaminated with too much gold, So yeah, it
Speaker 4: was a mistake. But yeah, his name was Fritz Hobber.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you believe certain lines of thinking, that's
Speaker 1: the reason why the Nanaki came down was to get
Speaker 1: all the gold from our oceans because it's full of
Speaker 1: it and all this and yeah, yeah, all that, all
Speaker 1: that fun rhetoric, but yeah, that is pretty incredible.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Anyway, my overall impression of political alignment at the
Speaker 4: time was you might have heard of this case Shank
Speaker 4: versus the United States. I know it sucks to bring up,
Speaker 4: you know, Israel and stuff like that, but I get
Speaker 4: the impression that a lot of Jews were on Germany
Speaker 4: side during World War One, in particular because I think
Speaker 4: they regarded the Tsarist Russia as their main geopolitical enemy
Speaker 4: at the time, and then when it collapsed in nineteen
Speaker 4: seventeen to eighteen, I don't know, there was another realignment
Speaker 4: after that, and Hitler was definitely not a monarchist.
Speaker 1: So now the Jews, if I'm not mistaken, and we
Speaker 1: just learned about this on the Live last night, they
Speaker 1: were trying to create a homeland in Germany because the
Speaker 1: population of German Jews was so high, and they were
Speaker 1: so they were very well received by a lot of
Speaker 1: the German people during World War One, and they were
Speaker 1: very patriotic German people as well. It's only when the
Speaker 1: Socialists took over that they started to fear for their
Speaker 1: lives because they had to make a bad guy. And
Speaker 1: clearly these are the bad guys.
Speaker 3: But and yeah, that's another thing.
Speaker 1: People like to throw out the baby with the bath
Speaker 1: water and all these things. Nazis were socialists, which means
Speaker 1: they were Marxists, that they were. You know, people like
Speaker 1: to think that, yes, I understand the Nazis did not
Speaker 1: like the Kamis, even though they were based out of
Speaker 1: the same book. If you really want to go up
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole deep enough, yes, they took on
Speaker 1: fascist ideologies from Italy, but the fascist regime of all
Speaker 1: that was more less just undying loyalty to the late
Speaker 1: lead guy or in Germany's case, the furor. But if
Speaker 1: you look at the social programs that Germany put in
Speaker 1: place under the Third Reich, it was extremely socialist in nature.
Speaker 1: It was very what we might call liberal in nature,
Speaker 1: although it may have been quote unquote ultra conservative and
Speaker 1: alt right and far right and all these things. Their
Speaker 1: social welfare system was absolutely not what we would consider
Speaker 1: conservative leaning these days. It was a very weird breed
Speaker 1: of I like this from these people. I like this
Speaker 1: from these people. I'm gonna make it my own thing.
Speaker 1: And people really like to separate the two when in reality,
Speaker 1: and I know that you're very pro Russia, Tony, I
Speaker 1: don't mean to start shit on this one, but people
Speaker 1: also don't like to acknowledge the fact that the Nazis
Speaker 1: and the Commies worked together to invade Poland. The Nazis
Speaker 1: and the Comedies were cool with each other until they weren't.
Speaker 1: We kind of saw each other as like second cousins,
Speaker 1: until you know, it was time to start up firing
Speaker 1: up the gas chambers and start killing Commis in these
Speaker 1: concentration camps. But you know, all the things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I find it hard to make sense of the
Speaker 4: whole time period myself. I think the Nazis would describe
Speaker 4: themselves as socialists, but definitely not Communists or Marxists. But
Speaker 4: they believed in state direction of the economy. That was
Speaker 4: the one area, the one big area of overlap. But
Speaker 4: they also were not quite as I think the Communists were.
Speaker 4: Definitely much more anti clerical and much more anti religious,
Speaker 4: and the Nazis were somewhat anti Christian and anti religious
Speaker 4: at the extremes, people like Himmler, for example, being into
Speaker 4: the occult. However, in terms of practical public policy, they
Speaker 4: were way more favorable to Christian churches than the communist
Speaker 4: regimes were. And there was yeah, there was enough overlap
Speaker 4: though that there was a pretty powerful Communist party in
Speaker 4: Germany in the nineteen twenties, but then after nineteen thirty three,
Speaker 4: something like eighty percent of them just joined the Nazi Party.
Speaker 4: So it was clearly they were just people attracted the power,
Speaker 4: and they'll go wherever the power is.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: Another thing, quick thing is that the Nazi Party got
Speaker 4: a lot of its start from Russian exiles from the
Speaker 4: Soviet Union right at the end of World War One.
Speaker 4: These were the whites from Russia. These were the people
Speaker 4: fighting the Reds, and they when they fled to Germany
Speaker 4: and other places outside of the Soviet Union, they mainly
Speaker 4: became fascists. They because they were very anti communists, but
Speaker 4: they were not necessarily monarchists either, or they didn't hold
Speaker 4: out hope that that s our government would come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could have made that point better myself, honestly.
Speaker 4: There's a book called The Russian Roots of National Socialism
Speaker 4: which I've been meaning to procure and read and have
Speaker 4: not gotten around too.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it's crazy because the fascist movement started making
Speaker 1: its way to Western countries. What it was named Oswald
Speaker 1: Moseby I think was the British fascists that tried starting
Speaker 1: He was homies with Hitler. I think he was at
Speaker 1: his wedding as a matter of fact. He was trying
Speaker 1: to start a fascist basically a Nazi party in England.
Speaker 1: We had other guys in America trying to start their
Speaker 1: own version of a Nazi party here, and they actually had,
Speaker 1: whether people want to really acknowledge it or not, they
Speaker 1: had a pretty decent foothold in DC until they didn't
Speaker 1: until World War Two and Hitler and all these things,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they just went by the wayside,
Speaker 1: and they just kind of threw on a whole different
Speaker 1: vibe to it. But a lot of their rhetoric and
Speaker 1: a lot of their hatred for certain people identifiably the
Speaker 1: Jews made its way into Western countries and that undertone
Speaker 1: somehow still resides today. And this is I think why
Speaker 1: a lot of these people, especially in the conspiracy community,
Speaker 1: have such a stigma against the Jews. It's like, all right,
Speaker 1: if you listen to these people, well, you know, they
Speaker 1: control the banks, they control the whether, they control Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and if you all right, fine, cool, where are you
Speaker 1: getting that from? And if you follow their trail of breadcrumbs,
Speaker 1: it nine times out of ten leads back to actual
Speaker 1: Nazi ideologies, and it's it's mind blowing, especially with Hitler
Speaker 1: beating Jewish. I mean, I've heard that before his grandmother
Speaker 1: was Jewish. He wasn't like, he wasn't raised, he wasn't
Speaker 1: doing Hanukkah as a kid, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But like he was absolutely of Ashkenazi descent his grandmother.
Speaker 4: Okay, I guess I'll look that up. Is it's just
Speaker 4: that I'm pretty sure that the Jewish population in Germany
Speaker 4: was less than two percent, so I guess it's possible,
Speaker 4: and I think they were mostly grouped in the northeast, right,
Speaker 4: But yeah, I haven't looked into it, But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure I believe that.
Speaker 1: Well, from what I have researched. That's exactly why when
Speaker 1: the time came and he took over. First order of business,
Speaker 1: he made a bee line to his hometown and leveled
Speaker 1: it to the ground because they didn't want any record
Speaker 1: of his lineage, of that portion of his lineage being
Speaker 1: brought to light. Even though his family doctor growing up
Speaker 1: was a Jewish doctor that he gave the title of
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I can't pronounce it in German, but basically
Speaker 1: he gave him a pass and said that he was
Speaker 1: a quote unquote noble jew and that there were some
Speaker 1: of them that were not these types and they could
Speaker 1: be saved and they could blah blah blah. It was
Speaker 1: the family doctor because he grew up relatively not well
Speaker 1: to do but not poor either're kind of you know,
Speaker 1: middle class. But this Jewish doctor, uh worked on him
Speaker 1: and his family for like cut rate prices, and he
Speaker 1: was a genuine good dude. He was a real minch
Speaker 1: as some would say. And uh, yeah, he spared him,
Speaker 1: but leveled everything else in his hometown to kind of
Speaker 1: protect that little portion of it. It's it's yeah, but
Speaker 1: that also kind of gets listed in with the whole
Speaker 1: Like he hated homosexuals but surrounded himself with homosexuals, and
Speaker 1: he he hated the deformed, but apparently he had three testicles,
Speaker 1: and like it gets wrapped up into the realm of like,
Speaker 1: well you know that I heard this once upon a time,
Speaker 1: but if you actually follow the bloodline, yeah, your boy,
Speaker 1: your boy was at least a portion of part of
Speaker 1: the tribe. And it's uh yeah, yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: these people do. They they just don't know, and they
Speaker 1: either don't want to find out the truth or they
Speaker 1: just want to hear their version of the truth, which
Speaker 1: is I think equally damaging.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, but I know I piss off a lot
Speaker 3: of people with that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, first one to start with something easy. So Ashkenazi
Speaker 2: or ashgans literally just being the German. Oh shit, So
Speaker 2: just FYI say the Ashcanazi like they come for all
Speaker 2: European like I think the modern Israeli the modern Hebrew
Speaker 2: word for for German Germany or is Afganas.
Speaker 4: So just wow, I didn't know that at all, but
Speaker 4: I know that there were tons of them in the
Speaker 4: Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth and.
Speaker 2: Huge community.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think they tended to have German names too
Speaker 4: at that time, and they spoke Yiddish instead of Polish
Speaker 4: or Russian.
Speaker 2: So so you you would know this better than I would.
Speaker 2: But I was told that Yiddish is just another dialect
Speaker 2: of German. I would agree it is another dialect because,
Speaker 2: like I've I have friends that can speak it, and
Speaker 2: you know, it sounds very, very similar to to Germany.
Speaker 2: It's by the way, written and out in Hebrew letters.
Speaker 2: Crazy like just it's it's wow, it's a it's a cluster,
Speaker 2: to say the least. When it comes to that. As
Speaker 2: far as the conspiracy theory or conspiracy community that hates
Speaker 2: views or for whatever reason, like it's the problem is,
Speaker 2: there seems to be enough of a you know, I
Speaker 2: like there are people that have been on the Colic
Speaker 2: conspiracy that they say, oh, well they have this and
Speaker 2: they say this, and like the bread trails that they're following,
Speaker 2: like you you can follow it, right, But just because
Speaker 2: you can follow the bread trail doesn't necessarily mean it's accurate.
Speaker 2: I forget the gentleman that calls views you's right, uh.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so he says that God divorced the Jewish people
Speaker 8: and at some point, like I do agree that, and
Speaker 8: the ariety or the prophet that definitely says like that.
Speaker 2: However, there's also another portion that we read that we
Speaker 2: read at a certain point in time, where the first
Speaker 2: three words are which essentially means comfort, comfort my people,
Speaker 2: meaning that God does not abandoned in the Jewish people.
Speaker 2: So like, on one hand, I can understand why somebody
Speaker 2: can say, all right, well the breadcrumbs that are saying this, this, this,
Speaker 2: However they're ignoring other pieces of the information that so
Speaker 2: and also as some jacobs as something that you said before.
Speaker 2: There's also difference between somebody who is coming from things
Speaker 2: on a religious aspect and coming from it on an
Speaker 2: irreligious aspect. So you have you have people who are
Speaker 2: Jewish by birth, doesn't mean they are following the tenets
Speaker 2: of it. Soros is Jewish. I don't think he's you know,
Speaker 2: from what I've been told, he's not exactly a very
Speaker 2: good Jew.
Speaker 4: Right So.
Speaker 3: I agree with that you.
Speaker 2: Can't cluster everybody in they're like and when it comes
Speaker 2: to everything that are a lot of things that I
Speaker 2: my point of view comes from the more religious aspect
Speaker 2: of right now my perfect absolutely fucking not. But like so,
Speaker 2: but when I try to conceptualize, well can the Jewish
Speaker 2: people do that? I try my mind goes to would
Speaker 2: the orthodox Jews do that. Not necessarily would the irreligious
Speaker 2: Jews do that. So, you know, it's a work in
Speaker 2: progress and something that I'm trying to learn how to
Speaker 2: open up my third eye and to see people who
Speaker 2: being people, not necessarily their background, no doubt. Uh.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Germany as a matter of fact, and how
Speaker 1: uh you know Martin Luther led a peasant revolt or
Speaker 1: a war against the peasants where Christians slaughtered three hundred
Speaker 1: thousand poor people in Germany. Now I was called something
Speaker 1: else at that time, and I get that, but like
Speaker 1: as far as like, well, you know, they've they've been
Speaker 1: kicked out of all these countries.
Speaker 3: There's a reason why, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, Christianity doesn't I get on this
Speaker 1: talk with people too. It's like, you know, not just Christianity,
Speaker 1: not just Islam, not just Jews, not just Buddhists. They're
Speaker 1: slaughtering Wiger Muslims in China right now. Not just name it,
Speaker 1: name the group, it doesn't matter. You're going to find
Speaker 1: groups of shitheads that have done stuff in the name
Speaker 1: of their religious figures and with their religious book in
Speaker 1: their hand. Quoting cherry picked information to justify whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck they're about to do next. That doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: that's accurate. That could be misquoting, it could be misinterpretation.
Speaker 1: It could be probably a cult leader trying to do
Speaker 1: some shit to justify, you know, the end, justify the means.
Speaker 1: And here's the quote from the book that justified the
Speaker 1: slave trade. Leopold I was one hundred percent a Christian.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that African slave trade was blessed by God,
Speaker 1: you know, it's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well, here's another We tend to think of
Speaker 4: anti semitism mainly because of the Nazi regime, which is
Speaker 4: the main the biggest example of it. I would totally
Speaker 4: agree with it, and that's all wrong, but that is
Speaker 4: not really that representative, in my opinion, of most of
Speaker 4: anti semitism throughout history. When people talk about the one
Speaker 4: hundred and nine expulsions, most of the time, you know,
Speaker 4: we're talking about Martin Luther leading a revolt or a revolution.
Speaker 4: When revolutions or peasant revolts occur throughout the world, it's
Speaker 4: normally the lower classes fighting against the upper classes, and
Speaker 4: the lower classes are the majority and the upper classes
Speaker 4: are the minority. And the way Europe was governed for
Speaker 4: you know, much of the past millennium up until maybe
Speaker 4: a couple hundred years ago, was through you know, small kingdoms, duchies,
Speaker 4: what have you. Margraves and Jewish people tended to be
Speaker 4: part of the elite class wherever they went, they tended
Speaker 4: to have the most money, and they were well insinuated
Speaker 4: into the aristocracy, and the governments of these regions would
Speaker 4: normally try to protect them. But if there was a
Speaker 4: peasant revolt, it wasn't necessarily because the peasants hated the Jews.
Speaker 4: They just hated all rich people around them.
Speaker 1: Getting rid of the bourgeois z yeah people that, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they they were revolting against all that. It wasn't
Speaker 4: necessarily just the Jews, but the Jews were part of
Speaker 4: the group that they were revolting against. So now, yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't think that. You know, people look at what
Speaker 4: Hitler was up to, and that's not what it was
Speaker 4: like for most of the history. Now, I think the
Speaker 4: King of England did actually expel the Jews in twelve ninety,
Speaker 4: so there's some of that going on, but most of
Speaker 4: these are just peasant revolts against the people governing them,
Speaker 4: and sometimes and Jews didn't tend to govern, but they
Speaker 4: were insinuated into that class at the time, so they
Speaker 4: got cut up.
Speaker 1: I will say this though, the peasant revolt that Martin
Speaker 1: Luther led, it was the military and the church led
Speaker 1: the slaughter of the poor.
Speaker 3: On that one.
Speaker 1: They it's called the peasant revolt and all that, but
Speaker 1: it's actually the flip opposite. On that one. Martin Luther
Speaker 1: did some wild shit. He also wrote a book, I
Speaker 1: think it's called On the Truth on the Jews, and
Speaker 1: that was another thing he did after he nailed his
Speaker 1: ninety ninety to the doors, he wrote this book where
Speaker 1: he he hated the Jews personally, and then after that
Speaker 1: book was published, he got enough people pissed off at
Speaker 1: the what we would now call like the homeless or
Speaker 1: the vagrants, and they just slaughtered their lower class because
Speaker 1: they just saw them as a drain on society. And
Speaker 1: it was yeah, it was. It was bad. It was
Speaker 1: really bad. Martin Luther was kind of a it was
Speaker 1: kind of a piece of shit in some regards. I
Speaker 1: do like that he called out the Catholic Church for
Speaker 1: selling the not pardons what's it called.
Speaker 4: The indulgences and indulgences in seventeen. But when was this
Speaker 4: revolt because I'm actually googling it right now. I want
Speaker 4: to find it, Like, what year was that roughly after
Speaker 4: fifteen seventeen.
Speaker 3: I can let me sell Martin.
Speaker 4: Luther revolt, but oh, peasants revolt, Okay, that'll probably work.
Speaker 3: That's the one.
Speaker 1: I don't know the year, but it was the quote
Speaker 1: unquote peasant revolt where it sounds like the peasants rose
Speaker 1: up against the upper class and it's like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was just bad. Terminologe used on this one that the
Speaker 1: upper class led the charge and paid off mercenaries to
Speaker 1: slaughter the peasant class, and it was it was not pretty.
Speaker 1: And I don't believe that that was a anti Jewish
Speaker 1: thing that happened. I don't believe that the Jews are
Speaker 1: a part of the peasant class at that time, although
Speaker 1: maybe they were. Maybe they were. But my point is
Speaker 1: that that was a slaughter that was led by a
Speaker 1: Christian using the Bible, which talks about taking care of
Speaker 1: the downtrodden and taking care of those that are that
Speaker 1: are meek and need help, right, helping your brother and
Speaker 1: all these things, being your brother's keeper. But he was
Speaker 1: using that same book to justify slaughtering, you know, poor people.
Speaker 4: So okay, I found it. The German peasants were occurred
Speaker 4: from fifteen twenty four to fifteen twenty five, just less
Speaker 4: than ten years after the Reformation started, and it was
Speaker 4: all over many parts of Germany. Yeah, okay, I can't
Speaker 4: do it justice right now. I just learned about this.
Speaker 1: It's worth a deep dive, brother, I'm telling you. I
Speaker 1: just learned about this couple of days ago. I was
Speaker 1: I was bullshitting with somebody who was They tried trolling,
Speaker 1: and I know how to troll harder than most of
Speaker 1: the people.
Speaker 3: So I just kind of quoted a few little things like.
Speaker 1: The Rwanda genocide for instance, that was led by Christians.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, people don't want to look at that either. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was tribal versus tribal and there was a lot
Speaker 1: of internal racism that was involved there. But whether people
Speaker 1: want to acknowledge it or not, the people with the
Speaker 1: machetes were using the Bible to justify what they were doing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, as a Christian, I can't abide by
Speaker 1: that shit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, right, totally.
Speaker 7: It's it's all the Jews.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, even if Jews didn't exist, all the rest
Speaker 4: of the world would have equally as much problems in
Speaker 4: my opinion.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there was. I know we quote Rick
Speaker 1: and Morty a good bit on the cult of conspiracy,
Speaker 1: but they do a good job of pointing out the
Speaker 1: dumb shit. There was one episode where they were on
Speaker 1: a planet, these types of aliens whatever, and everybody was
Speaker 1: living in harmony. It was cool, but that's because they
Speaker 1: all were under a certain kind of mind control thing.
Speaker 1: They snapped out of it and there was the flat
Speaker 1: nipple crew and the pointing nipple crew and they immediately
Speaker 1: started killing each other over which nipples were better, and
Speaker 1: like that was done for humorous reasons, but like that's
Speaker 1: not that crazy. Like that's a microcosm of why people
Speaker 1: kill each other on mass throughout human history. They're a
Speaker 1: little bit different than us. Huh, we need to end
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 3: It's like no, no, did stop stop that's not that's not.
Speaker 1: The way, but humans be human and anyway, all right, y'all, Well,
Speaker 1: I do want to thank y'all for joining. We kind
Speaker 1: of went on some wild topics on this one atomic
Speaker 1: theory digestion and then religious tumultualism. That's not a word,
Speaker 1: but I made it up. We'll roll with it. I
Speaker 1: want to thank y'all, all of y'all. Raven had to
Speaker 1: leave early, but Tony Royce, thank y'all for joining in
Speaker 1: on this one as well. And uh I hope to
Speaker 1: see ya next week for another edition of The Cajun
Speaker 1: Night Lives, and uh yeah, thank you all,