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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what's up.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a true crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast party my podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Listener, Merry after Christmas, Merry after Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got oh, I got like sweaty hands.

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<v Speaker 2>This is exciting. This is a new one for us.

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<v Speaker 1>This might might take me a moment. Hold up, you

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<v Speaker 2>There?

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<v Speaker 1>Who you got some shamp hogay break? Good time? Hell?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like saying welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>But but what we didn't really take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, we kind of did. I mean we will,

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<v Speaker 1>but not like a fun break. Oh no, new our

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<v Speaker 1>life was.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell oh, our life has been interesting, to say the least.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having a glass of champagne and I'm into it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's been like a roller coaster and a

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<v Speaker 1>half and oh my god, our life is just all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place, let's put it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we feel like I need a series v

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<v Speaker 2>k oh yeah I did before though, true, but our

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<v Speaker 2>our last week's episode actually was came out on Christmas,

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<v Speaker 2>motherfucking day. Was it for Christmas or Christmas Eve? I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was either way.

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<v Speaker 1>It was super late, but we managed to get it

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<v Speaker 1>out for you. Guys, and this one's on time. So

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<v Speaker 1>look at us, go right so high fucking five. You

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<v Speaker 1>put yourself a lot. I need it, I need it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>yours is like years on par with mine. Look that

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a saint. I don't know. It seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>you gave yourself a little extra. You always pull yourself

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of it, just a little wee bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we have patreons to think, Yes we do.

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<v Speaker 2>We already said Mary ho ho. We hope you all

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<v Speaker 2>had a good Christmas. Then we get to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the Golden State killer we do.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just want to point out there there's this

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas living in a tiny home. People had a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of an issue buying stuff for us. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>however they did good though. I got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>booze for Christmas. You got a ridiculous amount of I

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<v Speaker 1>got like so much beer. I got a nice bottle

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<v Speaker 1>of whiskey.

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<v Speaker 2>Like yes, but your favorite thing was like the meat

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<v Speaker 2>and cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something that we got. I got like, we got

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<v Speaker 1>like some like like charcotery, meat and cheese stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>you're into it. I'm like, yes, give me all the meat,

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<v Speaker 1>all the cheese, all the beer, all the booze. Literally,

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<v Speaker 1>that's your Christmas list going forward. Yes, every year after

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<v Speaker 1>that like boom meat.

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<v Speaker 2>Cheese, crackers, bread and beer.

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<v Speaker 1>And chocolate milk. I can always do with chocolate chocolate.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you a giant bag of candy. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>was oh so delicious. Okay, but that aside, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>just have to say I got no booze. You didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly I'm the alcoholic in the family.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually got super good gifts, so I'm pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>So today we're talking about the Golden State Killer.

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<v Speaker 1>Dent ent dun, dun duo. Put that on a little soundboard. Actually, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So also known as the Visalia Ransacker, the East Area Rapist,

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<v Speaker 2>the Original Nightstalker, and Joseph James DeAngelo Junior when he

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<v Speaker 2>was finally caught in twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of pseudonyms. That's a lot of names.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck that guy that we're gonna add more names to

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<v Speaker 1>his rap sheet here.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, there were more names even and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's enough, that's enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to learn a little bit about Joseph

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<v Speaker 2>and how it was he got all those names, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's quite an interesting case.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's hear it. Joseph was born.

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<v Speaker 2>On November eighth, nineteen forty five, in Bath, New York.

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<v Speaker 2>His father was a sergeant in the United States Army.

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<v Speaker 2>He had two sisters and one brother. It was claimed

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph was abused by his father growing up. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say claimed because it didn't say that in all

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<v Speaker 2>the articles I read, but it said the few okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and also something to mention. He witnessed his seven year

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<v Speaker 2>old sister get raped by two airmen in a warehouse

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<v Speaker 2>in West Germany, where the family was stationed.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time. That's fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so pretty traumatic, like that would be like.

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<v Speaker 1>That's real fucked up, like just awful. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so as per usual, maybe not the best upbringing,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had some trauma in his childhood. At some point,

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<v Speaker 2>the family moved to California, as that's where Joseph attended

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<v Speaker 2>high school. It was reported that Joseph committed burglaries and

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<v Speaker 2>tortured and killed animals during his teenage years.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Like, so many cases start out exactly like this,

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking childhood trauma, and then they move on to

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<v Speaker 1>vent that trauma or frustration in some sort of way,

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<v Speaker 1>generally in hurting, harming, or killing animals, before they move

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<v Speaker 1>on to spearman on them. Really yeah, pretty much, And

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's really sad to see if that's such a pattern.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I pretty much just described almost every serial

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<v Speaker 2>killer's upbringing, and there's times where I'm like, do I

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<v Speaker 2>even include that?

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. You kind of have to to,

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's interesting to me because no matter like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm no, I know, it's not like probably intentional, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like there's so many things that are the

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<v Speaker 2>same in these serial killers upbringing that it's like you're

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<v Speaker 2>almost making little serial killers.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense unintentionally? Unintentionally? Yeah, but yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally, I totally would know what you mean. It's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>So in September, Joseph joined the United States Army, where

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<v Speaker 2>he served for twenty two months during the Vietnam War.

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<v Speaker 2>He then went on to pursue his career as a

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<v Speaker 2>police officer, attending Sierra College in Rockland, California, and graduating

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<v Speaker 2>with an associate degree in police science, then moving on

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<v Speaker 2>to Sacramento State University in nineteen seventy one, earning a

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<v Speaker 2>bachelor's degree in criminal justice, doing a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>training before finally completing a thirty two week police internship

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's an impressive little raption. A lot of training, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph was a police officer from May nineteen seventy three

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<v Speaker 2>to July nineteen seventy nine, working in Citrus Heights, Exeter

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<v Speaker 2>and Auburn, all cities in California, ironically working as a

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<v Speaker 2>burglary unit police officer at one point in time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he was fired from the force after being arrested for

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<v Speaker 2>shoplifting a hammer and dog repellent. Some reports said he'd

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<v Speaker 2>liked the thrill of shoplifting, others said he didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>those particular items he was purchasing on record.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's a little bit of foreshadowing and sounding really

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<v Speaker 2>H So, now, during his time as a police officer,

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph was also the Vicealia ransacker, an East Area rapist.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that makes the crimes almost worse that

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<v Speaker 2>he was like a police officer while he was doing

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<v Speaker 2>like some real shit.

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<v Speaker 1>He can have some real fucking sway in those cases too,

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<v Speaker 1>even like potential with messing with evidence, for example, or

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<v Speaker 1>persuading police to look in another direction, you know, those

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<v Speaker 1>investigators on the case or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because this was one statement it said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, while investigating burglaries during the day, he was

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<v Speaker 2>committing them at night. But then nothing that I ever

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<v Speaker 2>read said that he was ever like on the cases

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<v Speaker 2>that he had done. But I mean would have been yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't know, but then he also knew it

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<v Speaker 2>made him always like one step ahead of the police too, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, definitely, like all that definitely major advantage, oh, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>So from nineteen seventy three to nineteen seventy six, as

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<v Speaker 2>the Visalia ransacker, Joseph is believed to have been responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for one murder and approximately one hundred and twenty burglaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus, And sorry, this was by what time?

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<v Speaker 2>This is in nineteen seventy three to nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>Six, seventy three to seventy six, Okay, so that's all right,

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<v Speaker 1>almost ten year period.

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<v Speaker 2>No three, nineteen seventy three, nineteen seventy six, I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking eighty six, but okay, seventy three to seventy six, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so three years, dang, And I think that's he was

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<v Speaker 2>even at one point gone by a different name or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And again I said that there's just too many fucking

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<v Speaker 2>names that I just left it at, like the main ones.

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<v Speaker 2>So it could have even been I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>in like a twenty month or something period that he

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<v Speaker 2>had actually committed those like one hundred and twenty burglaries.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it is a very short period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'm going to do the math right now

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<v Speaker 1>on that too. He was a busy boy. Three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty five times three divided by how many? How many?

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred and twenty, one hundred and twenty. Oh I'm

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<v Speaker 1>never mind. I did that math totally wrong, and minus

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wait, that's not right, divided by one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty. Yeah. He was doing a burglary every eight

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<v Speaker 1>point nine days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so just over every week, and I might say

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<v Speaker 2>he would be like sometimes doing more than one a day,

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<v Speaker 2>so wow, yeah, Okay, So the first recorded ransacking occurred

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<v Speaker 2>on March nineteenth, nineteen seventy four, So see that said

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy three, but then the first recorder one is

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy four. So that's why it's like he did

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<v Speaker 2>that evening shorter period of time. Yeah, so I believe. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>for fuck's sakes, I'm saying it right here. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>you took me there. I feel like, Okay, where the

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<v Speaker 2>hell am I Okay, so the braakons were weird. They

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<v Speaker 2>seemed very much so for pleasure as opposed to benefit from,

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<v Speaker 2>like stealing items of worth. For example, so the first

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<v Speaker 2>ransacking on March nineteenth, he stole some of fifty bucks

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<v Speaker 2>in coins from a piggybank. Most of the braakins involved

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<v Speaker 2>rifling through or vandalizing the homeowner's possessions, for example, scattering

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<v Speaker 2>women's underwear around, like, Okay, I'm sorry, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I could live my life the same after I

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like like a fucking like frat kid's prank

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<v Speaker 1>or something. I know, I am an adult actually getting

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<v Speaker 1>just getting pleasure out of it. But it sounds very

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<v Speaker 1>childish like that's what like it does. Actually the guys

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<v Speaker 1>who are fresh into college, like, yeah, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>on a panty raid, you know that sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but soon you'll find out how nasty this guy was.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just like and stealing low value items well, ignoring

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<v Speaker 2>higher value items that could even have been in plain sight.

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<v Speaker 2>He would also do things like rearrange items in the

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's slightly funny. Asshole is definite asshole, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of funny. Yeah, Like he's really just playing with that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a total mind game. It's not about the money

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. It's just easy being an ask just to

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<v Speaker 1>be a dick. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of funny. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not funny, but it's kind of funny, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and then here I am where I said there

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<v Speaker 2>would be days he would have multiple ransackings. Yeah, on

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<v Speaker 2>one particular day, November thirtieth, nineteen seventy four, there were

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<v Speaker 2>twelve separate incidents.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, Okay, I'm sorry, but there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way that someone could get that many done in a day. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's just no way the Grinch could.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Grinch stole an entire town's worth of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, I'm not that productive, So how's this dude?

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<v Speaker 2>But he had like quite the mL including I have

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<v Speaker 2>a list here, climbing fences and moving through established roots

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<v Speaker 2>such as parks, walkways, ditches, and trails, attempting to pry

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<v Speaker 2>open multiple points of entry, particularly windows, leaving multiple points

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<v Speaker 2>of escape open, especially windows as well as the house,

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<v Speaker 2>garage and garden doors, moving or removing windows screens and

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<v Speaker 2>put icing them on like the bed. Placing warning items

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<v Speaker 2>such as dishes or bottles against doors and on door

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<v Speaker 2>handles so that when someone was fucking home and home

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<v Speaker 2>he would hear right away. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was creating little alarm systems.

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<v Speaker 2>And wearing gloves. Being a police officer who investigated burglaries,

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<v Speaker 2>he would know how to get away with these sort

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<v Speaker 2>of crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Fingerprints, fingerprints he knew. Mm hmm. Now just this time

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<v Speaker 1>was DNA maybe nowhing No, but it foxed him over

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<v Speaker 1>in the end. And I was about to say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>he probably didn't worry about DNA, and now a new

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<v Speaker 1>technology caught up. Yeah, yes, okay, awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>He did commit one murder during this time, on September eleventh,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy five, and it was the murder of a

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<v Speaker 1>Clyde. I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting enough, Clyde had previously chased someone he had discovered

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<v Speaker 2>under his daughter best window on February seventeenth of that year.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't exactly say, but I believe that would have

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<v Speaker 2>been Joseph, as you'll learn soon enough that he usually

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<v Speaker 2>targeted his victims and would learn their ways. But on

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<v Speaker 2>this particular night, Claude awoke in the middle of the night,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like two in the morning or something, hearing

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<v Speaker 2>strange noises. When he went to investigate, he discovered that

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<v Speaker 2>his back door was open and a ski masked individual

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph was attempting to kidnap Beth. Joseph then shot Claude

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<v Speaker 2>two times before fleeing the scene. Claude, unfortunately died en

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<v Speaker 2>route to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>Dang, but I mean, can we I don't know this

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<v Speaker 1>is your your thing here, but can we make Claude

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<v Speaker 1>or badass the day for save his daughter?

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<v Speaker 2>There was actually one video I watched of I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was Beth, and like I don't remember it super well,

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<v Speaker 2>but she was kind of going on about like how

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<v Speaker 2>she felt kind of guilty, right like because was there

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<v Speaker 2>something she could have done to save her dad?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's like that's.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot on a kid, right Yeah, But then she

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<v Speaker 2>had said, like her mom said, like if there was

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty mass men out there, like he would have

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<v Speaker 2>done the same thing, like and she didn't fully know

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<v Speaker 2>like that there was nothing she could do until like

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<v Speaker 2>she had kids herself, because like you would just do

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<v Speaker 2>anything for your kids, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>My heart, like that is freaking sad. But yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>was like it sounded like an amazing person. And he

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<v Speaker 2>died saving his daughter, which is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Can he be your badass of the day. Absolutely, Claude,

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<v Speaker 1>You're a badass. Wait to protect your daughter?

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<v Speaker 2>Like amazing, just an amazing person. So, after the escalation

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<v Speaker 2>of murder, the police stepped up their game to catch Joseph,

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<v Speaker 2>offering a reward and setting up nighttime stakouts near house

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<v Speaker 2>as he had previously targeted. The ransackings continued, but on

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<v Speaker 2>December twelfth, nineteen seventy five, there was a very close

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<v Speaker 2>call of catching him. A detective was on steakout inside

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<v Speaker 2>a garage where Joseph was known to frequent and sure enough,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, you want to take a break while

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<v Speaker 2>you pour yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Some more champagne. I'm sorry, my glasses empty. What that's

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<v Speaker 1>like an emergency situation, I'm urgency, I don't know, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And sure enough Joseph entered the backyard.

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<v Speaker 2>The detective fired a warning shot at Joseph and it

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<v Speaker 2>attempted to detain him, but Joseph was able to jump

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<v Speaker 2>the fence when he himself fired a shot at the detective,

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<v Speaker 2>just missing the detective's face and shattering his flashlight that

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<v Speaker 2>he was probably holding right next to me, Like, just

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<v Speaker 2>gear the shit out of you. A nearby officer rushed

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<v Speaker 2>to the detective's aid, which allowed for Joseph to escape.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck but I'm just like breag. I actually had some

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<v Speaker 2>Zerr's reactions researching this because I was getting pissed.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a feeling that I'm gonna get really angry

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<v Speaker 1>on this episode because Joseph is already fucking pissing me off. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a douche canal. He is a douche canoe, especially

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<v Speaker 1>because like there's so many signs already, like just the

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<v Speaker 1>single earring thing, for example, Oh yeah, just shows that

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<v Speaker 1>he's just doing this just for fun. Oh fuck this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Though the single earring thing is slightly funny, I'll admit it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of funny. No, but fuck you, Okay, if

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<v Speaker 1>you just it's like that that TikTok, Like if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a break into someone's house and steal one thing or something.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just did that series I did. Yeah, like fucking

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<v Speaker 2>millions of you were like doing robbers shit all over

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<v Speaker 2>a house is alarming.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like steel steel, like the agglets off the

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<v Speaker 1>shoelaces or like the filling out of the oreo or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. Yeah, it's like just labels off cans. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's sort of ship. So it's kind of along those

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<v Speaker 1>same lines. It's just comedic. Actually doing it is fucking

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<v Speaker 1>asshole and the fact that he's doing it and continuing

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<v Speaker 1>and getting bigger and bigger with the things that he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing just to be a fucking asshole.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Just this is nothing really yet in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>because it gets way worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Well okay, but before we do. Like there's such a

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<v Speaker 1>difference on people doing it because it's like that's their

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<v Speaker 1>mindset and they want to they I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>to explain it, but you're the way you grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>You got this mindset of like, Okay, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>need to kill animals, I need this outlet. He's just

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<v Speaker 1>like I just want to because it's funny, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. He might have had a need of sorts. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>he may have, but as far as I can tell

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<v Speaker 1>right now, it's just for shits and giggles, which makes

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<v Speaker 1>it that much worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so many articles that I read said there was

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<v Speaker 2>a suspicion whoever they were looking for had served in

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<v Speaker 2>the military or in law enforcement, because it always seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like they were one step ahead, which we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>had already talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>And if only they.

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<v Speaker 2>Had caught him at this particular time, because it goes

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<v Speaker 2>massively downhill from here.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph moved to the Sacramento area, and from nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>six to nineteen seventy nine his crimes would drastically escalate

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<v Speaker 2>and he would become known as the East Area rapist.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>In this time span, he would rape at least fifty

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<v Speaker 2>women and murder one couple what like, And that's the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that have reported it, right, there could be ones

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<v Speaker 2>out there that probably didn't report it. Holy fuck, fifty women, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a lot off this guy. And that was again

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<v Speaker 2>in a span of like three years, Like that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>In the night, Joseph would creep middle class neighborhoods, looking

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<v Speaker 2>through windows and search for women who lived alone in

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<v Speaker 2>one story homes, preferring homes be around an open space

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<v Speaker 2>that would allow for him to quickly escape, so like

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<v Speaker 2>their house, backing onto like a schoolyard or creek or

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<v Speaker 2>trail or something. Right. He would then go about learning

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<v Speaker 2>his victim's daily routine routines, frequently phoning them, sometimes months

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<v Speaker 2>in advance, and being a motherfucker creeper.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is one thing I have heard about this case.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like seriously creepy with it, wasn't he like

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<v Speaker 1>breathing into phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, and then what would he He would do

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<v Speaker 2>things like he would say.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna kill you, gonna kill you, gonna guill you, ll

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<v Speaker 1>you like shit. See, he's doing it just for shits

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<v Speaker 1>and giggles because he that's what he likes. Yeah, like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think I would just be done. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>think I would just be moving out of the country

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<v Speaker 2>at that point, because I don't think if I got

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<v Speaker 2>a phone call like that that I'm not the type

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<v Speaker 2>of person that could just get.

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<v Speaker 1>Over that and move on with my life. Yeah, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, nope, bye, see you, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, And when it was time for his attack,

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<v Speaker 2>he would often break into their homes in preparation, so

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<v Speaker 2>to unlock windows, turn off porch lights, unload guns, and

422
00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:55.119
<v Speaker 2>plant materials like shoelaces that he would use later to

423
00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:58.640
<v Speaker 2>bind his victims. Fuck, like setting the scenes so it's

424
00:22:58.680 --> 00:22:59.599
<v Speaker 2>ready for him, which is.

425
00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Just so he'd do this like the night before he'd

426
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<v Speaker 1>break into their home that day.

427
00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Or I don't even know, but at some point, which

428
00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:11.480
<v Speaker 2>is ough. Initially Joseph was just targeting women. They would

429
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:13.920
<v Speaker 2>sometimes have children in the home with them, but a

430
00:23:13.960 --> 00:23:17.519
<v Speaker 2>man wasn't present. But it's believed that as a direct

431
00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:21.480
<v Speaker 2>result of media reports claiming that he only attacked women

432
00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:24.319
<v Speaker 2>alone in their home, he decided to change his mo

433
00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:27.839
<v Speaker 2>because like you're saying, this is a game fun, right,

434
00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:31.880
<v Speaker 2>and started to further challenge himself and move on to couples.

435
00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Fuck and like, oh my gosh, this it's just terrifying. Okay,

436
00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't even want to talk about it's so terrifying.

437
00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't even want to talk about. This guy's kissing

438
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:41.839
<v Speaker 1>me the fuck off.

439
00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:47.000
<v Speaker 2>So he'd wake the sleeping couples by shining a flashlight

440
00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:50.480
<v Speaker 2>in their face and threaten them with a handgun.

441
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Shite.

442
00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.279
<v Speaker 2>In one particular attack. He hid in a couple's closet,

443
00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.680
<v Speaker 2>waited for them to fall asleep, and then announce himself,

444
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.880
<v Speaker 2>shining a flashlight in their face. And when the husband

445
00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:05.799
<v Speaker 2>went to reach for the gun he kept next to

446
00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:09.160
<v Speaker 2>the bed, Joseph flashed the light on the bullets he

447
00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:12.200
<v Speaker 2>was holding in his hand. He had already emptied the gun.

448
00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Fuck, could you imagine me in that situation what my

449
00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:18.119
<v Speaker 1>reaction would be?

450
00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:22.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Like, I don't know. You don't you

451
00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:24.160
<v Speaker 2>think you just get get away?

452
00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:28.480
<v Speaker 1>I think I would, okay, because what's my history have

453
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:32.880
<v Speaker 1>been before? On situations where shit wakes me up?

454
00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:36.119
<v Speaker 2>You're like ready to rock and roll, like in your

455
00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:37.359
<v Speaker 2>under were just ready to go.

456
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, I don't even think about the consequences.

457
00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm just up and I am running towards whatever the

458
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.599
<v Speaker 1>issue is. Yeah, before I even wait, you might actually

459
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.720
<v Speaker 1>even catch Joseph. Her I might. And not because I'm

460
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:50.559
<v Speaker 1>trying to say like I'm a badass and that's what

461
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:53.039
<v Speaker 1>I do, but because I'm just so fucking out of it.

462
00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:56.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm just I don't have a fucking aware for the

463
00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:57.960
<v Speaker 1>risk or the hazard. Yeah.

464
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:00.359
<v Speaker 2>I had one time in an old house set in

465
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:02.799
<v Speaker 2>our alarm off because I wasn't want to work, or

466
00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:04.400
<v Speaker 2>you and you were in graveyards or something.

467
00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think we might have talked about this before.

468
00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:09.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay maybe, but then just in short, like I'm

469
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:10.799
<v Speaker 2>like trying to turn it off, and then all of

470
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:12.599
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, you were on the bottom of the stairs

471
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.640
<v Speaker 2>in your underwear, like ready to fuck someone up.

472
00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:17.279
<v Speaker 1>I had like my fists in the air well. The

473
00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:19.960
<v Speaker 1>alarm was going off, woking up. I just flew out

474
00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.400
<v Speaker 1>a boat ready to fight someone. He'd just broken her.

475
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:25.160
<v Speaker 1>It was more alarming for me than the alarm going off.

476
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:29.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going I was so confused. I was like

477
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:31.480
<v Speaker 1>ready to punch someone, and You're standing there terrified, and

478
00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what is going on?

479
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, back to the story. If we get in here,

480
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:38.599
<v Speaker 2>holy shit, let's do it.

481
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

482
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:42.319
<v Speaker 2>But like at that point you I, okay, maybe not you,

483
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:43.960
<v Speaker 2>but I feel like most people would just know that

484
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:44.839
<v Speaker 2>you're like fucked.

485
00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you are fucked. I probably would have been shot,

486
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.000
<v Speaker 1>is what would have happened? If I've got up and

487
00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>then I'd be massively fucked. Yeah, I would have been shot.

488
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:58.359
<v Speaker 2>So victims were then bound. The female often made to

489
00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:02.279
<v Speaker 2>tie up her loved one before, for she herself was bound,

490
00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:05.839
<v Speaker 2>which I just hate so tightly, like bound so tightly

491
00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:09.079
<v Speaker 2>that victims reported their hands being numb for hours after

492
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:13.519
<v Speaker 2>being untied. They're also generally gag, I'm assuming, to stop

493
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:19.000
<v Speaker 2>them from making much noise, right, and this part because

494
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:22.440
<v Speaker 2>we didn't think it was also awful enough. But Joseph

495
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.920
<v Speaker 2>would separate the couples in the home, generally leaving the

496
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.720
<v Speaker 2>man in the bedroom and bringing the woman out into

497
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:33.799
<v Speaker 2>the living room, and he'd stack dishes on the man's back,

498
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:37.960
<v Speaker 2>threatening to kill everyone in the home if he heard

499
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:42.519
<v Speaker 2>the slightest rattle of a dish, Like, I don't know,

500
00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:48.519
<v Speaker 2>I just hate that, Like really, you're just really in

501
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:52.200
<v Speaker 2>between a rock and a hard place. Then, as I'm

502
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.920
<v Speaker 2>sure you assumed, he would rape the woman, sometimes repeatedly,

503
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:01.599
<v Speaker 2>while taking breaks in between taranac the house, going through

504
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 2>closets and jawers. And this motherfucker would cook himself food

505
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:09.559
<v Speaker 2>sometimes or have food or sorry, or have a beer

506
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:13.559
<v Speaker 2>that he found in like the victim's kitchen. Fuck, and

507
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>then he would go back and like rape the woman again.

508
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:19.240
<v Speaker 1>It's a total pleasure thing, Yes, totally getting off from

509
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.079
<v Speaker 1>the control. It's disgusting the fact that he can.

510
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.200
<v Speaker 2>He would be in the home for hours at a time,

511
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the victims not always even knowing if he was left

512
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:30.400
<v Speaker 2>or if he was still there, right, if he had

513
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:32.599
<v Speaker 2>left or if he was still there, Like what the fuck?

514
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:38.359
<v Speaker 2>As per usual, he'd steal very little, often objects and

515
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.359
<v Speaker 2>items of little value, but occasionally he would steal some

516
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:46.119
<v Speaker 2>cash and firearms. The murder he committed as the East

517
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Area rapist was Brian and Katie meg Megie were I

518
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.799
<v Speaker 2>think they were walking their dog in the night of

519
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:58.640
<v Speaker 2>February second, nineteen seventy eight, near an area that had

520
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 2>just previous they had five attacks occur, so I feel

521
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:05.119
<v Speaker 2>like almost like stay home, that's scary. But they were

522
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:08.640
<v Speaker 2>just out for a stroll. There was a confrontation of sorts.

523
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming they may have confronted Joseph, like caught him

524
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 2>on the prowl or something, right. Joseph then shot Brian,

525
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.680
<v Speaker 2>and as Katie was fleeing and yelling for help, he

526
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:19.480
<v Speaker 2>shot her too.

527
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Fuck Like just brutal.

528
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:27.640
<v Speaker 2>After the murders of Brian and Katie and the last

529
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:31.119
<v Speaker 2>contra Acosta County rapes, that's like.

530
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.599
<v Speaker 1>A mouthful that ten times fast. I know.

531
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:38.440
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy nine, Joseph would move on yet again,

532
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:45.640
<v Speaker 2>moving to southern California, where his crimes escalated again.

533
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:48.119
<v Speaker 1>I think that's like the only way any of these

534
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:50.720
<v Speaker 1>guys get away with anything is if they move around.

535
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's interesting how they just like escalate so much too,

536
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Like are they they're getting bored I guess, right.

537
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:01.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or something They're trying to well, and they think

538
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:03.160
<v Speaker 1>they can get away with it. So they're like, let's

539
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>see how much I can get it with, you know,

540
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>so it becomes this bigger game of what else can

541
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:09.519
<v Speaker 1>I do?

542
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Okay, so he where were we? He moved to

543
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.359
<v Speaker 2>southern California and he would become known now as the

544
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:23.759
<v Speaker 2>knight Stalker and then the original night Stalker because another

545
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 2>serial killer in the area committing similar crimes as Joseph

546
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>would have the night Soccer name.

547
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:32.160
<v Speaker 1>So he got the original night Soccer. Was it a

548
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:33.640
<v Speaker 1>copycat or no?

549
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. His name was Richard Ramira's I

550
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:38.400
<v Speaker 2>think is what it was.

551
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Just ended up being similar situations.

552
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then but Joseph, I think he got the

553
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:48.440
<v Speaker 2>original because he had his crimes had started before. But

554
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Wow, you're competing for those kind of names, Like.

555
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.599
<v Speaker 1>That's super real, fucking winners.

556
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.839
<v Speaker 2>So, Joseph's reign of terror as the original night Stalker,

557
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:02.359
<v Speaker 2>who would last from nineteen seven to nineteen eighty six,

558
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:06.720
<v Speaker 2>with him being most active between nineteen seventy nine and

559
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.720
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty one, but returning with one final debut in

560
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:17.839
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty six. Okay, other than murdering people, Okay, So

561
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:21.319
<v Speaker 2>I said that his crimes escalated, and really all that

562
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:23.880
<v Speaker 2>could they could do to escalate is he was murdering

563
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:27.279
<v Speaker 2>his victims. Now, Yeah, but before I get into that,

564
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to talk about the speculation why his attacks

565
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.680
<v Speaker 2>were so sparse or why he might have stopped altogether.

566
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:35.400
<v Speaker 2>And well, that's because he had a.

567
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>Family, right I heard about this isn't that nice? Yeah,

568
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>ass wipe got a family? Was around the times of

569
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:46.119
<v Speaker 1>him having kids or something, wasn't it. Yeah?

570
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Like I just don't think that he should have had

571
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:48.880
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to have a family.

572
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>But no, that's just me. Okay.

573
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:55.039
<v Speaker 2>So in nineteen seventy Joseph was actually engaged to a

574
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.039
<v Speaker 2>woman named Bonnie. This isn't overly important because she dodged

575
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:01.359
<v Speaker 2>the bullet and broke things off with him in nineteen

576
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:03.960
<v Speaker 2>seventy one. But I wanted to throw it in there,

577
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.359
<v Speaker 2>because during at least one of the rapes, it was

578
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:11.400
<v Speaker 2>reported that Joseph would repeatedly say, I hate you Bonnie.

579
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:16.759
<v Speaker 1>Really, it's just like disturbing. What the fuck? Yeah, so,

580
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean she left him.

581
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.039
<v Speaker 2>There was even other articles that I read that he

582
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.680
<v Speaker 2>threatened to murder her to get her to marry him

583
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:28.000
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. So like she like super dodged a bullet.

584
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 1>No kidding, But I just there's so much psychology behind

585
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 1>that I hate you Bonnie, like what. So, yeah, there

586
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:38.359
<v Speaker 1>was obviously some resentment there. Wow.

587
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:42.559
<v Speaker 2>But in November of nineteen seventy three, he married. He

588
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:48.000
<v Speaker 2>married Sharon Marie Hohodle. She apparently didn't get so lucky

589
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.440
<v Speaker 2>by learning his true cothers. They purchased a house in

590
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.359
<v Speaker 2>Citrus Heights, which is in California, in the year of

591
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:57.839
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty. Little side note, this house is where he

592
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:02.200
<v Speaker 2>was actually arrested in twenty eighteen, living with his daughter

593
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:04.000
<v Speaker 2>and granddaughter.

594
00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>He carried on till twenty eighteen. It's a little bit

595
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>of foreshadowing. Man, Holy shit, I didn't realize it was

596
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>that like little time ago that he was arrested.

597
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, So Joseph and Sharon had three daughters before

598
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:21.920
<v Speaker 2>they separated in nineteen ninety one. So Joseph's first attack

599
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.720
<v Speaker 2>as the original nightstalker was on a Monday, October one,

600
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy nine.

601
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:28.559
<v Speaker 1>It was in the.

602
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Santa Barbara County and thankfully this couple survived. Breaking in,

603
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Joseph got to the point where he was able to

604
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:41.200
<v Speaker 2>tie up the couple, but after hearing him say to himself,

605
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.839
<v Speaker 2>I'll kill him, the couple tried to escape. When he

606
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:49.599
<v Speaker 2>left the room with the woman screaming. Realizing he basically

607
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.079
<v Speaker 2>fucked up and the neighbors could have been alerted, Joseph

608
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:56.759
<v Speaker 2>fled the scene. One of their neighbors was apparently an

609
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:01.279
<v Speaker 2>FBI agent. She had to w'd respond to the norse

610
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:05.000
<v Speaker 2>and went after Joseph, but he was ultimately able to

611
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:09.200
<v Speaker 2>get away. Fuck but geez, i'd want an fb buy

612
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 2>FBI agent is my neighbor? Hey kidding, that's the kind

613
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:13.720
<v Speaker 2>of neighbor you'd want.

614
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>If you're gonna go buy a new house or get

615
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.759
<v Speaker 1>a new apartment or something, find a place with the

616
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.359
<v Speaker 1>FBI neighbor, like, that's that should be on the list

617
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.799
<v Speaker 1>that you're looking at. Tell your realtor that is, talk

618
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:30.119
<v Speaker 1>to your reality out there. What's the building manager for

619
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>apartments and stuff? Talk around and be like, so, do

620
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 1>you know have any uh FBO agents in the area

621
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>or anything that we can move in next door to

622
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:39.599
<v Speaker 1>or something.

623
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Because a lot of people I think, like in this case,

624
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:43.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I've gotten there yet, but they

625
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.519
<v Speaker 2>hear the gunshot and they like won't even do anything.

626
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.480
<v Speaker 2>But at least you know, the FBI agent would be like,

627
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:50.799
<v Speaker 2>he'd be like you like out the door.

628
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Probably before you can even react.

629
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Right, So I think that'd be an awesome neighbor. His

630
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 2>shoe prints, so Joseph's shoe prints and twine used to

631
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.160
<v Speaker 2>bind the couple was later linked to his next attack,

632
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:08.440
<v Speaker 2>which brings us to the next attack, which took place

633
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<v Speaker 2>on December thirtieth, forty four year old Robert Offerman and

634
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>thirty five year old Deborah Manning.

635
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Why do you have a sorry? Just Robert Offman. As

636
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.320
<v Speaker 1>soon as you said that name had just brought Nick

637
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Offerman into mind the actor.

638
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:30.519
<v Speaker 2>So they were found dead, shot dead in Robert's condominium

639
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:36.159
<v Speaker 2>neighbors had heard gunshots and Robert's bindings were untied, indicating

640
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 2>that he had lunch at Joseph. But unfortunately, the couple

641
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.800
<v Speaker 2>did not survive their injuries. Now to move on to

642
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:48.760
<v Speaker 2>the following year, nineteen eighty, there would be four more victims,

643
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:54.159
<v Speaker 2>two couples. On March thirteenth, thirty three year old Charlene

644
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Smith and forty three year old Lyman Smith were found

645
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:01.840
<v Speaker 2>murdered in their home. Their wrists and ankles had been

646
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:06.800
<v Speaker 2>bound with drapery court and Charlie had been raped. The

647
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:11.239
<v Speaker 2>couple was then bludgeoned to death with a log from

648
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:15.400
<v Speaker 2>their outside wood pile. Fucking brutal, Like that's just like

649
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.119
<v Speaker 2>a brutal, disgusting way to.

650
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Die, no kidding, geez, like gross, this guy's such a dick.

651
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's awful. So next, on August nineteenth would be

652
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:31.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty four year old Keith Harrington and twenty seven year

653
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:37.280
<v Speaker 2>old Patrese Harrington. This couple were newlyweds. They had just

654
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:41.519
<v Speaker 2>been married three months prior to their attack. Lock which

655
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:44.719
<v Speaker 2>is I don't know, not that that makes it worse,

656
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's just like they're just starting like their marriage,

657
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 2>like oh.

658
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>My gosh, I mean there's there's.

659
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Always there still should be celebrating.

660
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Really, yeah, there's substances to any circumstance, Like if, for example,

661
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.599
<v Speaker 1>someone's like house burns down, Okay, yeah that's terrible. But

662
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.400
<v Speaker 1>if you're houst burns down on Christmas, it's just that

663
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:04.280
<v Speaker 1>it's that extra salt in the wound.

664
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, it totally is. So they lived in a

665
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:12.199
<v Speaker 2>gated community. Keith was a medical student and Patrese was

666
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a nurse. Patrise had been raped and they had both

667
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Speaker 2>been bound, but no murder weapon from their bludgeoning. I

668
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.320
<v Speaker 2>love trouble saying that blood had been found at the scene.

669
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Keith's brother, however, Bruce, was actually quite well off, and

670
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:36.639
<v Speaker 2>when later spend nearly two million dollars supporting a California

671
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:42.639
<v Speaker 2>proposition authorizing DNA collection from all California felons and certain

672
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:43.559
<v Speaker 2>other criminals.

673
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Shit, so this is where it starts taking him down.

674
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:50.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming I'm not actually a hunterred percent certain if

675
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.519
<v Speaker 2>like how much Bruce had to help with this situation,

676
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 2>because this is that particular thing was like, as soon

677
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.679
<v Speaker 2>as you're basically a felon that they can collect or

678
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>DN I to put in their database. Okay, I see,

679
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:04.880
<v Speaker 2>it's sort of what his money was going to. But

680
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 2>I obviously clearly he was like really involved, right, and

681
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.280
<v Speaker 2>so I think he could have been helpful.

682
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:14.639
<v Speaker 1>To this well. I mean later on when they had

683
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Joseph DNA, it could have helped them rule out some suspects. Yeah,

684
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 1>so that's good and totally narrow it down sort of thing. Totally. Yeah.

685
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the following year, nineteen eighty one, joseph'snack's victim

686
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:34.000
<v Speaker 2>would be Manuela with Hume, who was married, but her

687
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.960
<v Speaker 2>husband was not home at the time. Some reports not

688
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.239
<v Speaker 2>all said that he was actually like hospitalized at the time,

689
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 2>So that's like real shitty there too. She was again

690
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:50.360
<v Speaker 2>raped and murdered, and that's that fuck. Yeah, Like I

691
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.840
<v Speaker 2>don't understand why he's just started murdering all these people,

692
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:56.719
<v Speaker 2>but it has to be because he was just like

693
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:58.639
<v Speaker 2>getting bored and what else can I do?

694
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.920
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's just taking the next step.

695
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:07.239
<v Speaker 2>And then on July twenty seventh, thirty five year old

696
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Sherry Domingo and twenty seven year old Gregory Shantez would

697
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:19.760
<v Speaker 2>be Joseph's last married couple, married or murdered couple, and

698
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:24.639
<v Speaker 2>last couple, So last couple that was murdered, but not

699
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:25.519
<v Speaker 2>the last victim.

700
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Dude. Well yeah, that's kind of why I asked married, like,

701
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:31.679
<v Speaker 1>is he gonna murder like other people?

702
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Just yeah, there's only one more after this, So we're

703
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.320
<v Speaker 2>we're getting we're getting close here. So they were attacked

704
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:42.760
<v Speaker 2>in Cherry's residence, blocks away from Robert Offerman's condominium. Actually,

705
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Joseph entered the home through a small bathroom window. Gregory

706
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:50.679
<v Speaker 2>had not been tied up, so it's believed that he

707
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:55.039
<v Speaker 2>may have realized who he was dealing with from like

708
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.480
<v Speaker 2>the Ofuferman Manny murders, like he might have seen in

709
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.599
<v Speaker 2>the news, right, and fought back, but he was shot

710
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:05.519
<v Speaker 2>and bludgeoned to death with a garden tool. No neighbors

711
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:10.440
<v Speaker 2>apparently responded to the gunshot. Jerry was raped and also bludgeoned.

712
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Joseph would take basically a five year break before he

713
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:23.639
<v Speaker 2>struck again on May fourth, nineteen eighty six, his last

714
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:27.320
<v Speaker 2>and final victim that is known. That is known really,

715
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.400
<v Speaker 2>because I feel like when there's this amount of victims, like, oh,

716
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.400
<v Speaker 2>there has to be some that are not known.

717
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely, really, I mean, even if you get caught.

718
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:41.039
<v Speaker 1>No one is ever telling their their full victim lest yes,

719
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.920
<v Speaker 1>some people are like ready and ampt to brag, but

720
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>they're not telling everything.

721
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Like even if you're caught as a kid and like

722
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:51.039
<v Speaker 2>your parents are asking you and you have to divulge

723
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 2>what you did, like you leave shit out.

724
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so.

725
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I think in this you leave shit out, you leave

726
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:57.679
<v Speaker 2>victims out.

727
00:39:58.159 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I punched him in the face, but like I bear,

728
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:03.440
<v Speaker 1>he tapped him, which really wowed up in like big

729
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:04.679
<v Speaker 1>old haymakers.

730
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this last victim would be Janelle Lisa Cruz.

731
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:13.320
<v Speaker 2>She was only eighteen years old. And that's actually just

732
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:15.360
<v Speaker 2>a side note that I never put in here, Like

733
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:20.000
<v Speaker 2>some of the people that he raped were kids, like

734
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.159
<v Speaker 2>as young as third co course, and I had never

735
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:24.840
<v Speaker 2>put that in there earlier, and I should have.

736
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:26.880
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, some of the victims were young. I don't

737
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:31.239
<v Speaker 1>think we've covered a rapist yet that hasn't raped a minor,

738
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I know, which is just disgusting, absolutely discussing so gross.

739
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Like it's just beyond I can't even imagine, likeugh, Okay,

740
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:44.039
<v Speaker 2>so she was raped in and found bludgeoned to death

741
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.639
<v Speaker 2>by what they believed he used was a pipe wrench

742
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:52.199
<v Speaker 2>when and her family was away vacationing in Mexico brutal,

743
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.519
<v Speaker 2>so like she probably really wishes, well she should have

744
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:58.079
<v Speaker 2>gone to Mexico because just that age, I could see

745
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.280
<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm not going away on family case and I'm

746
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.480
<v Speaker 2>staying home. There could have been other reasons why.

747
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:04.920
<v Speaker 1>She was going to Mexico. I'm sure an eighteen year old,

748
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>who do you want to go to?

749
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.639
<v Speaker 2>Not necessarily it's still a family vacation, and it was

750
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 2>some teenagers think.

751
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Full sock right, I'd be all over fucking Mexico. My parents, like,

752
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.280
<v Speaker 1>we're going to Mexico. Do you want to come at me? Fuck? Yeah,

753
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm coming to Mexico. You ain't leaving me behind, no way? No, okay.

754
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.840
<v Speaker 2>So do you want to know how this mofo gets caught?

755
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes? I fucking do. I want to be caught already.

756
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Because so his last is nineteen eighty six was the

757
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.719
<v Speaker 2>last known thing. He didn't get caught until twenty eighteen.

758
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a time span a fuck.

759
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.800
<v Speaker 2>So this dude got to live for over like thirty

760
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 2>years as a free motherfucking.

761
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Man, probably thinking he's going to get away with it,

762
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:44.719
<v Speaker 1>and no probably oh I bet you.

763
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.039
<v Speaker 2>He was almost guaranteed he'd get away with this at

764
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.760
<v Speaker 2>that point, like thirty years okay, fuck yeah, So Joseph

765
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 2>would become the first public arrest obtained through genetic genealogy.

766
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh really, I was like, what the fuck's that?

767
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:06.599
<v Speaker 2>So it's a new wish technology that takes the DNA

768
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:09.840
<v Speaker 2>of an unknown suspect left behind at a crime scene

769
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:15.880
<v Speaker 2>and identifies them by tracing a family tree, a family

770
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 2>tree through their family members who have voluntarily submitted their

771
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.800
<v Speaker 2>DNA to public genealogy databases.

772
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Yep. I was like, that's interesting.

773
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:29.840
<v Speaker 2>So it's like twenty three and meters ancestry DNA, Like,

774
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:31.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you've heard of some of them.

775
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, And I'm sure a lot of those things.

776
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like you don't even realize you're actually giving your

777
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.280
<v Speaker 1>DNA to public sources like this because you're probably signing

778
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:42.159
<v Speaker 1>off on the paper. Oh yeah, because lots who don't

779
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:44.239
<v Speaker 1>read all that. Yeah, so you're probably just signing off

780
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.400
<v Speaker 1>just to like, oh, I'm going to see if I'm

781
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:50.440
<v Speaker 1>like Norwegian, German, fucking whatever. And here it's like in

782
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:55.719
<v Speaker 1>the spine print, you're giving your DNA for like investigative databases.

783
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:56.039
<v Speaker 1>And shit.

784
00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:00.440
<v Speaker 2>But technically, the normal, the normal, the main source of

785
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 2>people wouldn't have to worry about that coming back to

786
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:03.199
<v Speaker 2>buy them in the end.

787
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no, totally right. But now that actually brings

788
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 1>up a question. I just realized, I wonder if those

789
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>types of websites and stuff are at least funded but

790
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:20.400
<v Speaker 1>potentially run by like police sources or government sources like that.

791
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, because I think some there were

792
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 2>some people that had problems with using them as a

793
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:32.920
<v Speaker 2>way to find these bad people, right, so, and they

794
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:36.000
<v Speaker 2>had But I mean, I think it's perfectly fine, Like

795
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.679
<v Speaker 2>I think you're fine, totally. But yeah, I mean, who

796
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:41.760
<v Speaker 2>knows maybe way back in the back end that no

797
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:43.840
<v Speaker 2>one really knows they are funding them in some way.

798
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm sure there's got to be some sort of

799
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:46.840
<v Speaker 1>connection there.

800
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I have a number here of how many soon

801
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 2>like they've helped. Yeah, so far, so a lot so so.

802
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:58.159
<v Speaker 2>To identify Joseph in particular, investigators narrowed the family tresearch

803
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:03.679
<v Speaker 2>based on age, location, and other characteristics. Once investigators were

804
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:08.719
<v Speaker 2>able to zero on Joseph himself, they watched him and

805
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:12.159
<v Speaker 2>collected his DNA from a discarded tissue left in the

806
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:16.960
<v Speaker 2>trash boom, like this motherfucker is done. Don't blow your nose.

807
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Don't blow you throw it in the draft.

808
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:23.159
<v Speaker 1>That's the moral of the story today. Done. Don't blow

809
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:26.440
<v Speaker 1>your motherfucking nose. Jesus.

810
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:31.679
<v Speaker 2>So, investigators plugged the DNA from the tissue into the

811
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:36.840
<v Speaker 2>genealogy database and found a match linking Joseph's DNA to

812
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.400
<v Speaker 2>DNA found at crime scenes.

813
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Bohm, Joseph, you'd done.

814
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:43.599
<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't blow you know, which caused his arrest in April

815
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:48.480
<v Speaker 2>of twenty eight. Yes, motherfucker, like yes, like it's just

816
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I bet, oh my gosh, like no one probably expected this.

817
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.199
<v Speaker 1>It's like the best thing ever. Really.

818
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:55.880
<v Speaker 2>So once Joseph was taken into custody, he said to

819
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.920
<v Speaker 2>himself an interview room, I did all those things.

820
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I just all those lives, he said to himself. Yeah,

821
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.280
<v Speaker 1>he was like in an interview room. So he's one

822
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:08.639
<v Speaker 1>of those idiots most likely. I mean, I don't think

823
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:10.599
<v Speaker 1>you have the fact on it, but one of those

824
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:13.199
<v Speaker 1>idiots most likely who thought he was alone in an

825
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:17.639
<v Speaker 1>interview room not being recorded and spoke to himself possibly fuck.

826
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:20.440
<v Speaker 2>But so yeah, he's basically but he's an old man

827
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 2>to at this point, he's in his seventies, Like, what's

828
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:24.000
<v Speaker 2>he gonna do?

829
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, I know that. I don't know. However, there's

830
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.119
<v Speaker 1>a lot of cases I've looked into, even stuff that

831
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:33.159
<v Speaker 1>we haven't discussed in this podcast yet. There's a lot

832
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.119
<v Speaker 1>of cases out there where people say shit because they

833
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 1>don't think they're being recorded in an interrogation room. Bitch,

834
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:43.800
<v Speaker 1>You're always being recorded in an interrogation room. It's really

835
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:45.440
<v Speaker 1>interrogation room.

836
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh and I never stuck it in here, and I

837
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.039
<v Speaker 2>hope I can remember it correctly. But there was something

838
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:54.159
<v Speaker 2>about he said he had like this other like that.

839
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:56.719
<v Speaker 2>I think it was he named him like Jerry, like

840
00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:58.960
<v Speaker 2>almost his person telling him what to do that he

841
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:04.400
<v Speaker 2>couldn't like control. But it does seem kind of like

842
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.440
<v Speaker 2>made up at that point in the in the room,

843
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:09.639
<v Speaker 2>he could have just been like done, Like really, do

844
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:10.480
<v Speaker 2>you really think.

845
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Jerry's gonna say, hey, Joseph, break into that old lady's

846
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:19.000
<v Speaker 1>house and steal one earring? Like what? No?

847
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:21.920
<v Speaker 2>No, he came up with the shit on his own, right. Okay,

848
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:24.239
<v Speaker 2>So a cool side note is, since Joseph's of rest,

849
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.760
<v Speaker 2>because he was like the first over one hundred and

850
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:32.440
<v Speaker 2>fifty suspects have been identified through genetic genealogy, and that

851
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:34.280
<v Speaker 2>that article that I had read too was in like

852
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:36.360
<v Speaker 2>late twenty twenty, so I'm sure there's even more now,

853
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh definitely, Like that's freaking awesome. Okay, so a few

854
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:45.960
<v Speaker 2>crummy things. Joseph did plead guilty and will obviously be

855
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:48.559
<v Speaker 2>spending the rest of his life in prison, which is good,

856
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:54.800
<v Speaker 2>but he won't be facing the death penalty because he

857
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.639
<v Speaker 2>took a plea deal which required him to admit to

858
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:02.639
<v Speaker 2>multiple uncharged acts, including his rapes. Now the rapes were

859
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:08.519
<v Speaker 2>uncharged acts, and the burglaries too because with California's statute

860
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.800
<v Speaker 2>of limitation. Oh fuck of course, I guess enough time

861
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:15.159
<v Speaker 2>had passed from the incidents that he could no longer

862
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:19.800
<v Speaker 2>be charged for them, so he basically went unpunished for them,

863
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:21.960
<v Speaker 2>which I actually don't agree with at all.

864
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't make any sense. It doesn't if you did

865
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the crime, you serve the time.

866
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, who cares when the fuck it was.

867
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.199
<v Speaker 1>I can understand some plea deals, like.

868
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:37.199
<v Speaker 2>For minor offenses maybe oh oh sorry, we had different ways.

869
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he totally did. I can understand plea deals where

870
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:43.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like Okay, we've got you for these couple murders.

871
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:45.840
<v Speaker 1>If you tell us where the bodies of the rest

872
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:47.880
<v Speaker 1>of the people are, you won't get charged for those

873
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.119
<v Speaker 1>ones if you admit to them, because we can't tie

874
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.800
<v Speaker 1>you to them. Yeah, if you fess up help us

875
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.480
<v Speaker 1>find the bodies, you're not charged for those. You're just

876
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 1>charged for the three. And now you're making a deal,

877
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:01.119
<v Speaker 1>you're bartering. I can understand that, because you can't charge

878
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:03.079
<v Speaker 1>him for it. The only way you're going to know

879
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 1>is if he fesses up and helps you.

880
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, Well, the plea though, was he he I think

881
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.840
<v Speaker 2>he went and he divulged like a lot of information

882
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:12.159
<v Speaker 2>about the rapes and stuff.

883
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so right, so getting that information, which which is beneficial. However,

884
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:19.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that it's okay for someone to get

885
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:23.840
<v Speaker 1>away with that shit, but at least at least it's

886
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 1>just a silver lining. At least you're getting to know

887
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:28.480
<v Speaker 1>information you would have known before.

888
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 2>And he did get charged for each of the murders,

889
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and they were all their own sentencing, so but I mean, like, gosh,

890
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:38.360
<v Speaker 2>you could have just got charged for want He's seven

891
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:41.480
<v Speaker 2>years old. He's going to be in jail. Forever, right,

892
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:46.119
<v Speaker 2>But sometimes it's also helpful for the families knowing that, oh, yeah,

893
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:48.599
<v Speaker 2>someone just charged for the acts.

894
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Right.

895
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:54.519
<v Speaker 2>So in August of twenty twenty, rape survivors, their relatives

896
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 2>and the relatives of those he had killed got the

897
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:03.360
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to confront Joseph and they shared stories of fear, grief,

898
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:07.639
<v Speaker 2>and their resilience moving forward with their life. But how

899
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:11.079
<v Speaker 2>they are now confronted knowing that Joseph is finally going

900
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:14.559
<v Speaker 2>to prison and will remain there until the day he dies,

901
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:19.840
<v Speaker 2>which is awesome. On August twenty first, twenty twenty, Joseph

902
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.679
<v Speaker 2>was officially sentenced to life in prison with the chance

903
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 2>of parole. I didn't love this. He was given the

904
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:30.599
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to address his victims, which I don't particularly agree

905
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.440
<v Speaker 2>with because, in my opinion, when what he said was stupid.

906
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.960
<v Speaker 2>But like also, he couldn't have said anything that would

907
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:41.320
<v Speaker 2>remotely make anyone feel better anyway. But I think it'd

908
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:44.079
<v Speaker 2>been nice for them to basically say their peace without

909
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:45.199
<v Speaker 2>having to hear a reply.

910
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I think personal enough. I think if if you are

911
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:51.679
<v Speaker 1>going to hear a reply, I think it should be

912
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 1>up to the discretion of the family to approve or

913
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.079
<v Speaker 1>disapprove of them speaking in court.

914
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because here I want to say what he said.

915
00:49:57.920 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 2>He says, fuck all, like he's just like a little fucker,

916
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't like him at all, and I don't

917
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.599
<v Speaker 2>think he should have got chances to talk. So, rising

918
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:08.559
<v Speaker 2>from his wheelchair, which all know one thing about in

919
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:12.679
<v Speaker 2>a minute and removing his face max mask, he said,

920
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I've listened to all your statements, each one of them,

921
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:19.559
<v Speaker 2>and I'm truly sorry to everyone I have hurt. Thank

922
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:24.400
<v Speaker 2>you your honor. Like what a douche Like that's nothing.

923
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I feel like that make me worse, Like

924
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:29.000
<v Speaker 2>shut the hell up, let me say my peace without

925
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:30.880
<v Speaker 2>hearing word back from you.

926
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:33.960
<v Speaker 1>He at least said he sorry, But that's like a

927
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:36.480
<v Speaker 1>when you talk to a little kid, say you're sorry,

928
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:42.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, like it's like like you mean it, like okay.

929
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:45.719
<v Speaker 2>So this regarding the wheelchair, this man was in his seventies.

930
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.360
<v Speaker 2>It's old, but like not ancient.

931
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Right.

932
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:52.199
<v Speaker 2>He was playing everyone again because when he rolled into

933
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.559
<v Speaker 2>the courtroom in his wheelchair, it looks more like he

934
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:59.039
<v Speaker 2>was one hundred years old and made people almost question

935
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.320
<v Speaker 2>if he could even go through these court hearings. But

936
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.840
<v Speaker 2>then they had footage of him in his jail cell

937
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:09.559
<v Speaker 2>where he's doing some exercising. At one point he's like

938
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:11.880
<v Speaker 2>crawling up on his bed and then crawling over to

939
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:13.840
<v Speaker 2>the stink so that he can put some shit on

940
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.159
<v Speaker 2>top of the lights to like dim his prison cell.

941
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 2>So like one hundred percent playing everyone, because when he

942
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.320
<v Speaker 2>gets wheeled in this motherfucker wheelchair looks just like old

943
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.679
<v Speaker 2>of Sin and you think, holy heck. But then in

944
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:27.800
<v Speaker 2>his jealou says he's completely different.

945
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.039
<v Speaker 1>That could have been his defense attorney though, too right,

946
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.920
<v Speaker 1>that could have been their their strategy. Well that guy

947
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:35.519
<v Speaker 1>don't like either. Oh yeah, no kidding, don't. Don't get

948
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:39.960
<v Speaker 1>me wrong here. I'm just saying, but you you you

949
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:43.599
<v Speaker 1>went over some information that you told me about this case.

950
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:45.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm waiting for you to say it, and you haven't

951
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:48.840
<v Speaker 1>said it yet. Oh really, I miss something about the

952
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:54.639
<v Speaker 1>women getting together and like survivors of his rape and

953
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:57.199
<v Speaker 1>talking about him and how he's got a micro dick.

954
00:51:57.800 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, he's got a little eighty bitty team.

955
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't actually okay, the main source I used that

956
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:06.679
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't in there. But yeah, that was something that

957
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:10.840
<v Speaker 2>was was said a couple times that the victims almost

958
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:13.679
<v Speaker 2>had comfort because this guy's dick is real small, like

959
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:14.559
<v Speaker 2>micro small.

960
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 1>He's got a micro penis.

961
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:18.519
<v Speaker 2>So, oh my gosh, I was like, what on earth

962
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:20.159
<v Speaker 2>could I have told you that I missed? But yeah,

963
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.039
<v Speaker 2>that was actually information I thought you would enjoy it.

964
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it wasn't a big piece of information you missed.

965
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:27.920
<v Speaker 1>It was a really small piece of information. So I

966
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.000
<v Speaker 1>could see you skipping past that quite easily, not realized

967
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even see it.

968
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So now, as always, this is only an hour

969
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.039
<v Speaker 2>or so long podcast, So if you did want to

970
00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:44.400
<v Speaker 2>dive in a little bit deeper, there's a book written

971
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:50.400
<v Speaker 2>by Michelle Macnerma or something titled I'll Be Gone in

972
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:54.039
<v Speaker 2>the Dark, One Woman's obsess obsessive search for the Golden

973
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:57.679
<v Speaker 2>State Killer. And I think it was actually Michelle that

974
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:02.000
<v Speaker 2>was behind this Golden State Killer name too. Yeah, and

975
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:06.519
<v Speaker 2>there's also an HBO documentary series also titled All be

976
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Gone in the Dark, so you could like really dive

977
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.719
<v Speaker 2>in deeper. I actually this is one case I probably

978
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:17.159
<v Speaker 2>would want to read that book because there's it's there's

979
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:18.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot, it's a lot to it.

980
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, then read it. I know, I want to start

981
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:25.000
<v Speaker 1>reading more. I really hope this Joseph when he's in

982
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:30.039
<v Speaker 1>prison gets laughed at in the showers for his micro penis.

983
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:33.599
<v Speaker 2>That's your hope that that's my hope that everyone just laughs. Well,

984
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:37.599
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that he's probably not in any area

985
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.519
<v Speaker 2>where there's other prisoners, because this guy would get killed

986
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:43.159
<v Speaker 2>with what he's done, right.

987
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for the miners and stuff. Yeah, and the rapes

988
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:47.199
<v Speaker 1>and everything. M hm.

989
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:50.920
<v Speaker 2>So I can't see him ever being in another area

990
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:55.480
<v Speaker 2>with another person or something bad would happen. Are some

991
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:56.199
<v Speaker 2>would say it's.

992
00:53:56.159 --> 00:54:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Bad, some would others might not think it's so bad.

993
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, So we'll see how long he lasts in there.

994
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:07.480
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's like really new. This was it's because

995
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean even in twenty twenty, just last year is

996
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:12.960
<v Speaker 2>when he was like officially sentenced, right, so.

997
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.679
<v Speaker 1>Like a year ago. Wow, I didn't realize it was

998
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:19.440
<v Speaker 1>that new. Holy crap. Well it's not new really at all,

999
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:22.519
<v Speaker 1>but it's just new. No, Yeah, that he's gotten caught.

1000
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, So good job to like investigators for keep

1001
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:29.840
<v Speaker 2>going right and no kidding, for them to keep searching

1002
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:33.119
<v Speaker 2>for these motherfuckers because look like you eventually can find them.

1003
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:36.239
<v Speaker 1>And if you want to maybe do your part, maybe

1004
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:38.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, give your DNA to ancestry dot com or

1005
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:40.719
<v Speaker 1>something now that we're plugging them. I don't know. I

1006
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:44.119
<v Speaker 1>this is not an ad by any means or sponsorship deal. No,

1007
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.280
<v Speaker 1>just maybe you might be helping out.

1008
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they might need that because this sort of

1009
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.920
<v Speaker 2>shit probably made it so that they got less people

1010
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:57.480
<v Speaker 2>submitting maybe, you know, but I mean, if you got

1011
00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:58.880
<v Speaker 2>nothing to hide, go for it.

1012
00:54:59.039 --> 00:54:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

1013
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:03.760
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that is the case of the Golden.

1014
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:05.639
<v Speaker 1>State Killer and his tiny dick and.

1015
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Is micro penis.

1016
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening.

1017
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:13.039
<v Speaker 2>I'll be posting some shit on Instagram.

1018
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:15.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, check out our links down below. We got the Instagram,

1019
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:17.639
<v Speaker 1>we got the Facebook, we got the Patreon, where you

1020
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:20.320
<v Speaker 1>can get the exclusive access to things like I don't know,

1021
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:23.159
<v Speaker 1>maybe just some episodes that we don't release to the public,

1022
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:25.719
<v Speaker 1>only release to patrons.

1023
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:26.400
<v Speaker 3>There you go.

1024
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Links are all down below, including our website and merch.

1025
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:32.920
<v Speaker 1>We appreciate you guys, You're absolutely amazing. Thank you for listening,

1026
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<v Speaker 1>and of course stay wicked.