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Now here's Tom. 12 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:05.799 Well, let's time to do this thing again. And I'm 13 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:07.879 Tom Gresham. I am your host. You can give me 14 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:10.920 a call at anytime. I'm actually looking for calls. 15 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:11.239 Today. 16 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:14.000 We kind of cleared the deck doing something a little 17 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:18.680 bit different, maybe a little bit experimental, having fewer guests 18 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:22.000 today so we can have more callers. That'd be you 19 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:25.519 talking about well anything actually, and I have a couple 20 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:27.239 of subjects. We're going to be bringing up something right 21 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.879 out of the news that just happened within the last 22 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:33.040 twenty four hours and then we're going to be talking 23 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:34.519 about well different things. 24 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:35.120 Going to the rains. 25 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:37.760 I went out did a little shooting, actually a couple 26 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:40.599 of times this week. Shot in an old competition. Yesterday. 27 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:43.920 I learned some things, not all good. I mean, they 28 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:45.760 were good things to learn, but they weren't good things 29 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:48.319 about my shooting. That's a whole different thing. But yeah, 30 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:52.959 I'll confess. I'll talk about that right now. And yeah, 31 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:54.519 by the way, if you want to call, give me 32 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:56.799 a call that Tom Talk Gun. That's the easy way 33 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:01.040 to remember the number here. As you know I are 34 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:05.920 probably know, I'm in Idaho. I live in Idaho. Last well, 35 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:09.680 in the last twenty four hours yesterday, in the lovely 36 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:11.960 town of Twin Falls, Idaho, which is a great place 37 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:16.120 that'll spend a fair amount of time. In Twin Falls, 38 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:21.199 a young man decided to murder people. It's as simple 39 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:23.759 as that. You can call it whatever description you want, 40 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:26.400 but he decided he's going to take his what appeared 41 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:30.520 to be an ar his rifle. And we've got video. 42 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:32.360 I mean, we're looking at the video. If you haven't 43 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:34.520 heard about this, haven't seen it, you need to look 44 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:38.039 it up. He's in the parking lot of an in 45 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:40.080 and out Burger, which I guess opened a week or 46 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:43.240 two ago, and he's shooting through the windshield of at 47 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:46.199 least one tesla, maybe more. Can't tell if they're in 48 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:49.159 the charging stations or if the people in it, because 49 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:51.319 if they're in a charging station that can't drive away, 50 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:53.360 he can't drive over him, which would have been the 51 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:57.159 logical thing to just run over his sorry ass. He's 52 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:01.080 shooting through the windshiels, he's killing people. He's walking around, 53 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:10.800 clearly one of those suicidal mass murder attempts. We've seen 54 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:17.520 this so often, where these young, disenfranchised people decide to 55 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:19.199 go out in a blaze of glory and want their 56 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:23.719 name remembered, and they study stilling in Clee Bowl, they 57 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:27.360 study the mass murderers, the school shooters or whatever. They 58 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.240 want to run their numbers up. They want to be famous, which, 59 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:32.840 by the way, is the reason I will never ever 60 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:35.560 say their name. They haven't released the name of the 61 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:39.599 murderer yet, even when they do, I will never speak 62 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:43.240 the name, not only for the fact that I don't 63 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.280 want to give him the celebrity that he was looking for, 64 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:49.879 but also because to do so simply encourages more people 65 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:52.680 to do exactly the same thing for them to become famous. 66 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:56.280 If the media never mentioned the name of these murderers, 67 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.840 fewer people would think they can become celebrity. He's because 68 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:02.879 nobody's becoming a celebrity by doing this. 69 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:04.919 But I digress. 70 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:10.319 So this guy is shooting people in this parking lot, 71 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:14.159 and you got all this video being posted online of 72 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:17.959 people who are shooting video of the murder's taking place. 73 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:26.560 They're shooting video. But one guy, one Idaho. 74 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:30.959 Guy, decides he's not going to shoot video. He's going 75 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:36.839 to shoot bullets back at this murderer. So he gets 76 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:41.079 this pistol out, and there's a video of this and 77 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:44.399 he starts weighing away. And what's interesting that when you 78 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:46.040 first look at the video, you look at the image, 79 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:47.399 you go, what is that? 80 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:54.959 What is he shooting? How long is the barrel on 81 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:58.560 that pistol? Well, we know. 82 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:02.879 Now pretty sure the man's name is Jordan Salinas. In 83 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:07.199 Twin Falls, it appears that he is shooting an FN 84 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:14.240 pistol in five point seven millimeter with a suppressor. Yes, 85 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:18.240 I said his self defense gun. His EDC gun is 86 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:21.800 every day carry gun. Is a five point seven equipped 87 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:26.959 with a suppressor and he is shooting at this guy. 88 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.000 Now what we don't know at this point, and look 89 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:33.600 in twenty four hours, certainly in forty eight hours we're 90 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:35.959 going to know an awful lot more about this. We're 91 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:39.120 very early on. We're in the fog of the whole thing. 92 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:44.759 We don't know if he hit the murder. We don't 93 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:49.839 know if the murder ended up killing himself, which is 94 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.560 entirely possible. It often happens, and people say, well, if 95 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:55.360 that's the case, then this guy didn't. 96 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:55.600 Do any good. 97 00:05:55.600 --> 00:06:00.800 Oh, I'd make to differ because Jenry speaking, when these 98 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:04.319 mass murderers show up to commit suicide, they kill people 99 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:07.680 until somebody starts throwing bullets at them, whether it's the 100 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:10.800 police or somebody else, And the moment that somebody starts 101 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:15.160 shooting at them, they end up killing themselves. So clearly, 102 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:20.160 the more quickly you can make that happen, more quickly 103 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:23.120 somebody shows up with a gun and starts shooting at 104 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:29.040 them or shooting them more quickly, you can end this thing. 105 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:35.079 You can stop the murderers that are taking place. Did 106 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:39.319 Jordan's allions hit him, don't know? Did he distract him? 107 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.680 Almost certainly? Is he a good guy with a gun. 108 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:43.519 Yeah, hey, is. 109 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.680 We're learning other things about our good guy with a gun. 110 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:52.360 Jordan's the lionis and some people are saying, yeah, he 111 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:54.439 was one of those paranoid guys who preps all the time, 112 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:58.680 because he posts videos himself with ars and the suppressed 113 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:03.680 gun and he's LARPing larp if you don't know, live 114 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.959 action role player, which the term now has become kind 115 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:10.920 of a pretender, kind of a goofball. 116 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:11.319 Yeah. 117 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:17.560 You know, if you're prepping and you end up using 118 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:25.079 the preparation and you save lives doing it, is that 119 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:29.879 something worthy of mockery or is that something worthy of saying, hey, 120 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.079 way to go guy. And it may not have been 121 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:35.360 my thing. I w wasn't out there posting those pictures, 122 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:39.480 those videos. It appears that a couple of years ago 123 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:43.600 jordan' slives actually posted online train as though your life 124 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:45.240 depends upon it, because. 125 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:47.639 It just might. 126 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.720 What's kind of a thing we've been saying forever, Train 127 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:54.920 as though your life depends on it, because your life 128 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:59.399 may depend upon it, or the lives of others may 129 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:03.959 depend on it. I know people say, wait, I can 130 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:07.639 never imagine I can never imagine needing to use a 131 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.319 pistol to shoot somebody at thirty five or fifty yards. 132 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:13.480 Uh huh. 133 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.000 I can never imagine using a pistol against somebody with 134 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:25.199 a rifle. I can never imagine having a suppressor on 135 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:32.320 my carry gun. As I've said many times before, I 136 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:37.559 think a lot of people need better imaginations. You cannot 137 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:39.360 deal with it if you've not thought about it ahead 138 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:41.320 of time, generally speaking, or at least you won't deal 139 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:45.919 with it well. Jordan's Lionis had thought about it, he 140 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.399 had imagined it, he had prepared for it, he had committed, 141 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:55.559 he had trained, he was ready for it. 142 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:58.200 Food for thought. Now, question I would like to throw out. 143 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:04.799 Do you train at any long distances? Do you train 144 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.879 at all? But when you train an practice? I mean 145 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.679 I was shooting to steal a challenge yesterday with a 146 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:14.600 carry gun. I'll get into more about that. A ford 147 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:20.279 a quarter, It's barrel, nine millimeter nineteen eleven Commander style. 148 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:25.200 In the first targets for thirty five yards. Thirty five 149 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:28.240 yards that's a long way with a carry gun. So 150 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:30.320 do you train like that? Do you prepare like that? 151 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:32.279 And also I want to throw this thought out, and 152 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:35.320 I'd love to get your take on this. The question 153 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.200 is it time for us to revisit the conversation about 154 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:43.559 having a truck gun. Would you rather have had a 155 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:46.559 rifle or a pistol caliber car being in that situation. 156 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.360 Our number here is Tom Talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresher'll 157 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:50.919 be right back. 158 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:07.679 When Ruger set out to build the ultimate pocket pistol, 159 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:11.720 they succeeded. The LCP Max, now paired with the Magpool 160 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.759 in hands handgun grip, delivers everything you need and nothing 161 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:16.960 you don't. 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He's on 200 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:29.519 team gun Talk on his way back from the Goals gathering. 201 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:31.799 Hey Matt, how you doing? 202 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:32.320 Tom? 203 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:34.919 I am great? So all right, tell people what goals 204 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:36.080 was or is. 205 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:42.159 So goals is the Gun Owners of America Leadership Summit, 206 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:46.080 and so what is the third year they're holding this 207 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.639 event in this last few years it was in Knoxville. 208 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.720 This year it's in Des Moines. And what it does 209 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:57.200 is they have two days Saturday and Sunday of panel 210 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:01.159 discussions and some training seminar. And then in addition to it, 211 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.240 they have a small exhibit that goes to it. And 212 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:06.080 I say small because it's open to the public. It's 213 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:10.720 consumer small in comparison to the Nerra Show and the 214 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.279 exhibit hall there or Shot Show in that regard, but 215 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.759 still it's two hundred exhibitors. So it was kind of 216 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:18.679 a number of brands that showed up. 217 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:21.960 So all right, was this was this your first time? 218 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:26.320 This was my first one? Yes, first of the three, 219 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:29.480 and then next year they're in Tampa, so probably going 220 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:33.519 to head down to that as well. How was it? 221 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:34.120 It was good. 222 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:38.440 It was a good barometer to see, like where is 223 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:41.799 the industry at what kind of consumer feedback? 224 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:42.320 As well? 225 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:45.960 Was curious being in Des Moines Island in the middle 226 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.279 of the country, in the middle are you know, the 227 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:51.519 end of fly beginning of August, when it's usually last 228 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:56.639 minute summer vacation before school gets going. It was decently attended, 229 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:58.279 I felt. I mean I was just there Saturday and 230 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:03.120 coming home today. It's still on today. But talking to 231 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:06.559 a lot of the brands there, I was surprised by 232 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:12.559 the positive attitude. Actually, we hear a lot of news 233 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:16.120 about how it's the summer slump, things slowed down. You 234 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:19.440 hear some retailers and some gunshops saying it's really slowing down, 235 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:22.919 customers aren't buying because of the economy. But you start 236 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.159 talking to industry people and for the most part, the 237 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:30.799 overall vibe is like, okay, yeah, it was the summer 238 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:32.879 things slowed down, and we feel all right about how 239 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:36.919 things were. A number of companies are saying they've had 240 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:42.840 a positive year still and just more so. More than 241 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:45.559 one company said they've really felt the summer slump the 242 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:49.840 last two weeks. Finally June July, we're fine, but it 243 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.960 finally slowed down, which they're like, if that's the case, 244 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:56.519 we're just find it because we know that people travel 245 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:59.000 in August, and frankly, a lot of schools get back 246 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:01.960 going here in the next two weeks as kids go 247 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:05.440 back to school. So so it felt good about it. 248 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:09.519 It felt good to hear people talk about the understanding 249 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:11.960 and the rational that, like, you know, we we're kind 250 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:13.480 of at a new normal with the industry. 251 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:16.080 What is the new normal? 252 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:18.399 I mean, I should tell people you've been in the 253 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:20.639 gun industry for a long time and you have worked 254 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:23.879 you have worked with a lot of manufacturers and a 255 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:26.799 lot of media outlets, and you understand this, and I mean, 256 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:29.440 these are people you know, So when you say the 257 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:31.159 new normal, what is that now? 258 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:34.519 So that's a great that's yes, you're absolutely right, Tom, 259 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.240 I kind of Ryan and I get talking about that, 260 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:40.960 and it's I forget sometimes that it's not that common lingo. 261 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.960 The new normal in terms of there's definitely seasonality to 262 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:49.159 a calendar year, and so in the last five years, 263 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:52.440 with all that went on in twenty twenty, twenty one, 264 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:55.600 twenty two, and twenty three, really it was just massive 265 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:58.440 sales going on and whatever else, and so the year 266 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.360 never slowed down where normal year, you'll see things pick 267 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:06.039 up in terms of retail sales and everything kind of 268 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:09.279 going about September and it ramps up and it peaks 269 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:12.200 out around shots show February, and then it falls off 270 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.279 in May, and so you have the summer slump June, 271 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:18.679 July and August because frankly, a lot of people across 272 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:21.120 the entire country it's nice, so people are actually going 273 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:24.840 out and using their product, which is great, it's just 274 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:27.480 that they're not in the buying mood that time. In 275 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:30.519 the last five years, that summer slump really has not 276 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:36.679 been noticeable, where this year it's definitely been seen. That said, 277 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:40.039 we're curious to start the year when with the tax 278 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:42.879 stamp being adjusted and you know, going down to zero. 279 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:46.480 We started the first quarter a whole lot of suppressors 280 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:50.159 were sold and then tapering off and it really kind 281 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:54.039 of slowed down this summer. But At the same time, 282 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.080 I'll talk to a number of suppressor companies and they're 283 00:16:57.159 --> 00:16:59.919 still playing catch up on certain models of back quarter, 284 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.799 certain things. But so the new normal in terms of 285 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:09.599 back to a summer slowdown of retail sales, but the 286 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:12.640 volume is just elevated from where it used to be, 287 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:15.559 and so companies are kind of being able to adjust 288 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:15.920 to that. 289 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:18.119 Okay, good, good to know. 290 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:20.839 I mean, they had this, you know whatever it was, 291 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:23.200 the Trump bumped for a long time, and they're selling 292 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:25.240 stuff like crazy, and then now. 293 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:27.119 They're back the way it has always. 294 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:31.279 Been and it has been for decades of pretty typical seasonality, 295 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:31.839 end the whole thing. 296 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:33.599 So in other words, they're not panicked at all. 297 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:35.279 The gun companies are saying that this is fine and 298 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:36.960 we're going to keep bringing out what we're bringing out. 299 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:41.880 Well, yeah, I wouldn't say that across the board for everybody. 300 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:44.279 There's still I would say it's mixed reviews on that. 301 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:48.400 Where it is is what's interesting is the big gun 302 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:50.839 companies are obviously the larger I'll just say when we 303 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:53.640 say gun companies, I'm going to categorize everybody in the industry, 304 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:57.039 not just firearms manufacturers, and so the large companies in 305 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:00.920 the industry, they're not overly worried because they can manage that. 306 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:04.440 The small companies need to manage that a lot better. 307 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:08.319 That's said, when things slow down like this, when firearms 308 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:12.039 sales slow down, accessories and stuff typically pick up. And 309 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:14.359 that has been the case for a number of people. 310 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.759 The people that I'm hearing the most success from our 311 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:22.440 optics and accessories and pouches, and yes, suppressors had a 312 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.160 huge Q one slowed down, but they're starting to see 313 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.599 secondary orders, third orders coming in from retailers, so they're 314 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:32.799 starting to pick back up on that case. But it's 315 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:35.640 just not at the crazy volume it is. And part 316 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:38.359 of that is is because people aren't feeling pressed to 317 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:41.200 have to go by a suppressor because the turnaround time 318 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:44.640 is so quickly now in a matter of days rather 319 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:47.480 than weeks and months like it used to be. So 320 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:50.119 now people can pick up a suppressor whenever they want, 321 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:52.759 versus feeling the press to like I need to get 322 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:55.799 my stuff in because I'm waiting. So what's going to 323 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:59.319 be interesting is to watch in the next forty five 324 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:03.200 days what the suppressor sales do, because as we lead 325 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.279 into hunting season, if anybody wanted to use it for hunting, 326 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.920 they would have placed their order back in like March 327 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:13.960 or April typically. Right now, they can literally walk in 328 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:17.000 on September sixth and say I'm going to buy this suppressor, 329 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:21.119 and they can have it on September eighth and we 330 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:24.000 go hunting with it. Right we're in. 331 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:28.160 A place maybe where a suppressors are almost an impulse item, 332 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:31.680 and the impulse buy. 333 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:33.319 Well, there's a couple out there as priced as so 334 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:38.839 many suppressors come out in our the lower tier pricing structure. Absolutely, Tom, 335 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:41.319 I would agree with that. They're becoming an impulse buyer. 336 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:43.440 It's like, oh, yeah, now I can have more than 337 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:45.799 one and put it on this gun and that gun. 338 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:49.319 When you say lower price, give you an idea, I mean, 339 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:51.799 because we used to think an eight hundred thousand dollars 340 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:53.559 for suppressors. How low are they getting Now? 341 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:57.759 There are suppressors in the five hundred dollars range, and 342 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:00.519 there I know of a couple of companies working to 343 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.000 move that needle down to three hundred dollars. And the 344 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:07.319 idea of the three hundred dollars suppressor, they make no 345 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:11.039 bones about it in terms of yeah, it's three d printed, 346 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.039 and the idea is this is the person's entry into it, 347 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:18.000 so they aren't because we want to get more people 348 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:20.920 buying suppressors so they feel comfortable with what they are 349 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:24.240 and how they operate. And so if you take one 350 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:26.880 thousand dollars off the table and now it's three to 351 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:29.599 four hundred dollars instead, it's a much easier I'm going 352 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:31.720 to try that first one, or I'm going to go 353 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:34.519 buy two of them and put them on multiple firearms. 354 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:36.920 And we know going in, this is not a ten 355 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:40.160 thousand round suppressor. That's not for that, you know, when 356 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.000 you need that or spend the money. This is for 357 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:43.440 the guy who's going to go out and shoot some 358 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:45.680 out of it, maybe as bolt ax, maybe as they are. 359 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:48.799 But you know, it's like you say, you stick your 360 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:51.640 toe in the water, all right, So your overall impression 361 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:53.000 of the goals meeting? 362 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:54.319 Is it worthwhile? 363 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:56.519 Do you think for the consumer, for the person who's 364 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:58.039 listening to this to make the trip. 365 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:02.000 I do think it is. It's good because it's that 366 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:04.839 time of year where there's not necessarily a whole lot 367 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:07.839 of new stuff, but anytime you can get here and 368 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.400 understand two things. One obviously you can get your hands 369 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:13.319 on a lot of good product and see some things. 370 00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:16.880 And there's a lot of smaller companies here, some major manufacturers, 371 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:19.000 but a good mix of smaller people to see some 372 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:21.720 really cool stuff. I encourage listeners to go to our 373 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:24.039 Facebook page because Ryan and I were capturing video and 374 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:27.200 from a couple of different places and some really good stuff. 375 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:31.279 But there's some really good meetings that go on so 376 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:34.200 people can understand, like different legislation that's taking a lot 377 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:38.400 of second Yeah, yeah, that way. 378 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:39.680 So I got a scowed. 379 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:41.319 I know you're on the road and I appreciate you 380 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:44.119 pulling over and taking time to give us a little 381 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:47.279 update here on the goals thing. Matt Johnson from our 382 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:49.759 Gun Talk crew, thank you, sir, and look drive safety. 383 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:52.160 I appreciate it. Good stuff. 384 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:54.920 Yeah, if you can make it to the goals gathering 385 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:56.279 next year, I think you said it's going to be 386 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.799 in Tampa, worthwhile. Interesting Second Amendment information in the seminars as 387 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:03.119 well as new product. A lot of cool stuff there. 388 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.599 This is interesting. I mean, hey, this Gun Owners of 389 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:09.200 America put this thing together. 390 00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:11.960 Good on them, all right, give me a holler at eight. 391 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:13.720 Six six Talk Gun that'll get you in here or 392 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.119 Tom Talk Gun. I have Tom Gresham. 393 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:17.559 This is gun Talk. Now. 394 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:21.000 I'll tell you what this is important stuff. What's going on? 395 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:32.680 What are you carrying and how are you preparing? Hey, 396 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:35.079 welcome back to gun Talk. Tom Grasham eight six six 397 00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:36.599 Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. 398 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:39.160 You know drill. Easy to get in here. We're looking 399 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:40.119 for your calls today. 400 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:42.680 And you got a call right now coming in from 401 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:45.799