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<v Speaker 1>It's The Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast special report. The Lapsed

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<v Speaker 1>Fan presents the Complete hull Coogan, a real American story

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<v Speaker 1>brought to you by Garage Beer.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, another Independence Day here in the United States of

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<v Speaker 2>America is upon us, boss, is it not?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Yes, it is to celebrate America two hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>fifty times.

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<v Speaker 2>If you had two hundred and fifty times, and as

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<v Speaker 2>if that hasn't been beaten over, folks had enough. That

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<v Speaker 2>is what's special about twenty twenty six. And for us,

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<v Speaker 2>if we're in the midst, if we're in the thick

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<v Speaker 2>like we are of the Complete hul Cogan, can there

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<v Speaker 2>be a more real American? It's so true. It prompted

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<v Speaker 2>some reflection, some pause. It prompted us, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>this fourth to crack open a can of garage beer. Fuck. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the most American of beers on this most American of holidays.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about how we've enjoyed independence in twelve years of

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<v Speaker 2>podcast dominance and forcing folks to collect our crumbs, be

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<v Speaker 2>they you know, red, white, and blue cake. It could

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<v Speaker 2>be yeah, it could be number of crumbs, but we

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<v Speaker 2>thought it highly appropriate, highly appropriate, as we not only

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<v Speaker 2>exit Hulk's initial run in New York from nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>nine to nineteen eighty one, where we started to see

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some of the very first indications that he might

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<v Speaker 2>have something in him that might equate to an American hero.

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<v Speaker 2>And instead of just a preening and super hulking muscular

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<v Speaker 2>BRAWNI heel that we'd also seek out the most American

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<v Speaker 2>of voices from this point in Hulk's career. How about

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<v Speaker 2>a legit mister Usa himself. We go and Hulk's final

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<v Speaker 2>New York opponent in the seventy nine to eighty one run, Tony.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're really excited to have connected with mister Ratless

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<v Speaker 2>as part of the complete Hulk Cogan to get his

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<v Speaker 2>reflections on sharing the ring with Hulk at this very

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<v Speaker 2>fertile time for him, and in fact is you'll come

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from the WWF and it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>uniquely Tony Aatless experience. I would say, Indeed, he's clanging

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<v Speaker 2>and banging, and we wanted to make this sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a special Fourth of July treat for everybody, bringing mister

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<v Speaker 2>Usa on talking about the most American of icons in

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<v Speaker 2>Hulk Cogan and if we're going to do that. We

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<v Speaker 2>thought it made sense to look ahead, just to peek

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like we are looking ahead to the Summer

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<v Speaker 2>of Lapsed. I mean, oh yes, let's be serious about

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<v Speaker 2>how how real this is getting. I mean we're basically

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<v Speaker 2>leaving at the end of the month.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we basically we are. I mean that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, this is kind of it that

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<v Speaker 3>it begins. It begins at the end of this month

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<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't let up until until pretty much the fall.

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<v Speaker 2>So absolutely so not just having Tony Atlas on the

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<v Speaker 2>year waves. It's not just thinking about Hulk Coogan. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not just about the two hundred and fifteth University of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. It's also about the Summer of Lapsed

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<v Speaker 2>and not only hitting that most America of spots America.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I tell you something like exactly? You know what

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<v Speaker 3>was funny is that I it's pathetic in a way,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, at the end of last year, in

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of this year, there were all these signs

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<v Speaker 3>for two fifty. They're all talking about two fifty, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, what fun are they talking about? I

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<v Speaker 3>know they didn't make it fifty? What like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>understand two fifty what are they talking about? And I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, it's like it's it's an anniversary. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh shit, yes, no, like it didn't even dawn on me.

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<v Speaker 2>I fifty is hardly a superstar weight.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly right.

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<v Speaker 3>You wait for the big three hundred, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully we'll celebrate the three hundred and third. I think

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<v Speaker 3>we will. We should anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's like I said, been everywhere, But this

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<v Speaker 2>is our little contribution and to what that is all meant.

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<v Speaker 2>As we continue marching, we're about to enter a whole

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<v Speaker 2>new chapter for hul Cochin. I mean, needless to say,

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<v Speaker 2>some serious change is about to come to his presentation,

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<v Speaker 2>but where he fits in the world, how he moves

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. So we consider this yere interview with

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Atlas kind of one last nod to the the

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<v Speaker 2>Hogan that people still might call green, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>whole that still doesn't feel fully formed in some vital

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<v Speaker 2>ways in terms of what he became. And so Tony's

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<v Speaker 2>going to take us through all of that, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>very excited about that. But as I said, America's mall

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<v Speaker 2>SummerSlam weekend and then we go to you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>got enemy territory exactly. You know, we go, we go

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<v Speaker 2>where where you know we go to.

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<v Speaker 1>We go to the home.

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<v Speaker 2>Of of where we were vaulted. Because I mean, let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's be clear. Even if Vern broke you into the

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<v Speaker 2>A W A in the seventies when he was the

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<v Speaker 2>promotional kingpin in the Twin Cities, who did he send

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<v Speaker 2>you to get two to get broken? In the most

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<v Speaker 2>English of shooters, Billy Roys Robinson brother. So we're bridging

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<v Speaker 2>that Minneapolis London gap in our own very special way.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up, of course, August twenty eighth at the Dome

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<v Speaker 2>in North London, the co Chairs take the stage for

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<v Speaker 2>our very first, perhaps a very last live show in London.

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<v Speaker 2>Tickets still available if you want to join us. Without

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<v Speaker 2>further ado, let's pull ahead an article that appeared in

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<v Speaker 2>Pro Wrestling Illustrated in August of nineteen eighty one. So

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<v Speaker 2>that'll tell you how much of a lag the publication was,

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<v Speaker 2>because we just finished talking about fucking funny how Hogan

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<v Speaker 2>and Tony were wrestling in the spring. But not until

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<v Speaker 2>late summer do the readers of p WI get a

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<v Speaker 2>front page story on.

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<v Speaker 3>Well hold on though hold on, don't forget though, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not really late summer. Yes, this probably would have come

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<v Speaker 3>out in June. Okay, that's a fair turnaround time. It

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<v Speaker 3>just says August on the time. It's always hard because

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<v Speaker 3>you never know, like these things are always you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's always it's such a I hate that, really, and

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<v Speaker 3>I always said it a bunch of times. I hate

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<v Speaker 3>that the magazines don't actually come out or the actual

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<v Speaker 3>month isn't the actual month that they come out, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's this weird you know, we've got to be ahead

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<v Speaker 3>of the game. So it's almost like it's like car

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<v Speaker 3>dealerships like, oh, you know, it's like, well, we got

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty twenty seven model, Well, how do you have

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty twenty seven model in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, It's that the twenty twenty six model exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And not only does the date on the cover not

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<v Speaker 2>reflect the date it came out, but the coverage in

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<v Speaker 2>the magazine is two months before even that. Yep. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, yeah, came out in June, and all the

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<v Speaker 2>articles are about what was happening in April. And we

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<v Speaker 2>ran into this earlier on the complete where we thought

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<v Speaker 2>we had dispensed with the Sterling Golden run as truncated

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<v Speaker 2>as it was in Georgia Championship Wrestling, and moved on

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<v Speaker 2>at WWF and him being Chris and Hulkogan, and then

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, one of the after mag drops

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<v Speaker 2>the big probing article on Sterling Golden and he isn't

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<v Speaker 2>even on television as that anymore. Yeah, by the time

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<v Speaker 2>it comes out. So we've been moving perhaps faster than

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<v Speaker 2>the speed of the wrestling media and the wrestling business,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're about to find that out. Sounds about right.

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<v Speaker 2>But here we're gonna pull this one forward from the

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<v Speaker 2>pages of p w I to set the table for

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<v Speaker 2>our interview with Tony Atlas and a reflection on the

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<v Speaker 2>feud he'll be talking about. He's featured on the cover

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<v Speaker 2>the Press Slamming Hulk, and it's gonna be great to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to Tony about the process of press slamming Hulk Cogan,

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<v Speaker 2>so she could imagine there were concerns Boss, Yes, brother,

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<v Speaker 2>to say the very least, But what are you pressing slamon?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you all about? Looking terrified? And red trunks,

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<v Speaker 2>red knee pads and are those gold boots?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I've never seen him in gold boots,

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<v Speaker 3>but no, maybe they're silver. Maybe they'res silver and they're

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<v Speaker 3>catching the light in a weird way.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. Yeah, that's much more likely. Yeah, because we

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<v Speaker 2>did see him in red and silver gear if I

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<v Speaker 2>remember correctly, Yes, in our last nineteen eighty one episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's got the gig tape on his forehead and

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<v Speaker 2>his mouth is hanging open, and Terry's Terry's going out

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<v Speaker 2>of WWF and style here in nineteen eighty one thanks

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<v Speaker 2>to mister Usa. Look at that slam. It's a great

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<v Speaker 2>shot too. It's a great picture, What a great what

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<v Speaker 2>a spectacular visual to create after all those months and

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<v Speaker 2>over a year in the territory being someone that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>no one could budge unless you were Andre the Giant.

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<v Speaker 2>Even Andre wasn't about to press lam Hogan over his head,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one would ever do this again to Hulk ever,

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<v Speaker 2>So enjoy Hulking press lamb while it lasts a warrior.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, yeah, he dropped him on his stomach, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the full slam over the top, but he does lift

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<v Speaker 2>him up over his head. Yes, well we'll look forward

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<v Speaker 2>to that as well. But here's how it was framed

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<v Speaker 2>up for the research of pro wrestling. Illustrated Hulk Hogan's

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<v Speaker 2>final program of his first run in New York from

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<v Speaker 2>seventy nine to eighty one. The headline Tony Atlas versus

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<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan the war between wrestlings Superman Boss take it away.

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<v Speaker 3>They simply don't like each other. Let's amend that statement.

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<v Speaker 3>They hate each other, hate each other with every fiber

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<v Speaker 3>of their muscular bodies. Atlas ho Cogan laughed, called that

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<v Speaker 3>got wrustler dustin guys on the beach who can wrestle

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<v Speaker 3>way better than Atlas on.

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<v Speaker 2>The beach.

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<v Speaker 1>At the Gracie Beach in Rio. Well, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you do think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe uh in about fifteen no, yes, about ten twelve years.

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<v Speaker 3>You know he would have you know, he wrestled guys

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<v Speaker 3>like Jim Knighthar on the beach and thunder and Paradise

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh is that what you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe that's what he's talking about it. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>I withdraw my point.

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<v Speaker 3>Then that boy can't can't hold I candled a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of a lot of people who are discriminated against because

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<v Speaker 3>they don't know how, because they don't bow and scrape

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<v Speaker 3>to the fans what I don't know, what the fuck

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<v Speaker 3>what even means? Hulk Hogan's a loser, said Atlas. He

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<v Speaker 3>ain't done nothing his big mouth that it said he

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<v Speaker 3>would do. All he can do is shoot off his

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<v Speaker 3>big mouth and make a lot about big mouthwaves because

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<v Speaker 3>the mouthwaves. The big mouth waves with his mouth. Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That means by the discrimination point is Tony can't claim

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<v Speaker 2>he's being discriminated against because what if he wasn't such

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<v Speaker 2>a kiss ass? How much harder would he be discriminating?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess so because he he knows he can't do

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<v Speaker 2>nothing in the ring. A guy like Holgan ain't a

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<v Speaker 2>wrastler but an oversized bum. This feud has been simmering

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<v Speaker 2>for some time now. Unlike many feuds where the protagonists

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<v Speaker 2>find themselves embroiled in something they never intended, the Atlas

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<v Speaker 2>Hogan wars were inevitable even before they ended up in

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<v Speaker 2>the same area. Why because in some respects they are

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<v Speaker 2>quite similar. That remark prompts Angry to notiles. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>ain't nothing you can say in the whole world without

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<v Speaker 2>lead me to Atlas, just because I had a great

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<v Speaker 2>body and that Atlas thinks he's got a great body.

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<v Speaker 2>Ain't no reason to say there's any similarities at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Ain't no reason to say there's any similarities at all.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have to do some autopsy. Yes, just

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<v Speaker 2>because I got a great body and that Atlas thinks

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<v Speaker 2>he got a great body, ain't no reason to say

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<v Speaker 2>there's any similarities at all. Okay, Yeah, just because he

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't mean you have to agree. He's also has

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<v Speaker 2>insured on this is world's greatest Jim Hamden, Connecticut. So wow,

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who clanged and banged at the World's Greatest in

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<v Speaker 3>I guess yeah, not much. I think even know how

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say it's not greatest East. Yeah, even great about it,

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<v Speaker 3>that's for sure. For one statlast agrees with his foe.

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<v Speaker 3>Lots of people look at us and all they can

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<v Speaker 3>see is our physiques. You figure, since Hogan's built himself up,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm mister USA and been winning bodybuilding championships for

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<v Speaker 3>a long time now, they think we got similar techniques

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<v Speaker 2>Well, truth of the matter is what, Yeah, that's still

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<v Speaker 2>him going. Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>Truth of the matter is Hogan uses his strength for evil. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>I just use my strength for good. Just look at

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<v Speaker 4>the way we wrestle. All it does say it. It

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<v Speaker 4>says it.

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<v Speaker 3>All Holgan can do is break the rules. He only

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<v Speaker 3>knows how to cheat, nothing more than that. He's If

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<v Speaker 3>he's so good, then how come he's got a cheat.

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<v Speaker 3>If he's so strong, how come he got a cheat?

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<v Speaker 3>It does say how come he got it? In that

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<v Speaker 3>second one. If he's so talented, then how come he

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<v Speaker 2>Well that, let's raises an age old question the article.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is nagged professional wrestling from the beginning of time,

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<v Speaker 3>and Hogan has a ready self serving answer. I'll cheat

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<v Speaker 3>at a bit. I don't have to cheat, not when

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wrestling punk like Atlas. When you see what you

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<v Speaker 3>see the ring is me having a stupe to his

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<v Speaker 3>level of wrestling. You know, there's an old saying in

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<v Speaker 3>wrestling that you always rise to the level of your competition.

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<v Speaker 3>You can be the single greatest wrestler over lived, which

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<v Speaker 3>is me. And if you have to wrestle a bum

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<v Speaker 3>like Atlas who can barely stretch out his arms because

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<v Speaker 3>he's so overdeveloped that I ain't gonna look quite as

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<v Speaker 3>good as I might. That's only because I'm wrestling a bum.

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<v Speaker 3>It will give me some real competition, which they're probably

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<v Speaker 3>ain't this WWE, and you'll see the real hun. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't see anyone cable rising up to my level, Hogan continued. Yet,

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<v Speaker 3>the critical difference and the fuel for their feud rests

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<v Speaker 3>and their different approaches to building their bodies. Hogan builds

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<v Speaker 3>his superb physique through sticking a needle in his bum.

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<v Speaker 3>They gave up the ghost earlier that I thought through

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<v Speaker 3>more floor exercise is like push ups and lifting heavier weights,

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<v Speaker 3>while Atlas pumps lighter weights in greater repetition to gain

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<v Speaker 3>definition and his muscles.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to just comment on this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think what you really should talk about is is

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that you know, Atlas he lives heavier weights.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you know he lighter weights with a greater repetition.

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<v Speaker 2>The definition he's a defining athlete or is you know

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<v Speaker 2>Holgan is a he's a SUPERB? Did he call Tony

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<v Speaker 2>Alice a defining athlete? I wish you meant, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>definition from a you know, physique standpoint defining athlete makes

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<v Speaker 2>him sound.

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<v Speaker 1>He was about to call Cogan superb physician.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be George the Horian. Okay, haym this Gary

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Capeta call the hand well the best thing he

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<v Speaker 2>said in that whole.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing honey baked Tan. He had at least four before

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<v Speaker 3>each appearance on TV.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this. Wait till you hear what Tony says.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally goes down this road of the difference in workout

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<v Speaker 2>regimen between the two.

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<v Speaker 3>Hog and don't know the first thing about exercise and

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<v Speaker 3>thundered at list the things they can do doing a

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<v Speaker 3>bush bush ups and that gives him strength. Well, my

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<v Speaker 3>strength is more useful in the ring and his strength,

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<v Speaker 3>don't you know, don't take don't take much to keep

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<v Speaker 3>pumping those lightweights. Naturally, it don't because Tony Atlas doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps this is all the same category events saying on

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<v Speaker 2>television when Holt came back from Japan that his weight

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<v Speaker 2>is just distributed differently.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not you know, you know, if you were able

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<v Speaker 3>to massage yourself in a different, different fashions that can

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<v Speaker 3>actually massage musculature, you know, down to different uh you know,

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<v Speaker 3>uh part in your body and you can you can

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<v Speaker 3>you know, uh uh kind of develop different parameters in

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<v Speaker 3>that regard and provide you know, a distribution method that

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<v Speaker 3>enhances and also creates body differentials, a distribution method. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 3>if only Sean O'shey was able to prove it, perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>the only method to settling this violent feud is in

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<v Speaker 3>the ring. Only there can the dissimilar styles and common

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<v Speaker 3>contempt be settled. One match between the two is history.

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<v Speaker 3>Both men eagerly await future battles. We eagerly await the sage,

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<v Speaker 3>wisdom and insight and recollection of mister USA. Tony Atlas

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<v Speaker 3>here on this Independence Day twenty twenty six, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to thank you so much for being with us through

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<v Speaker 3>this all American ride. It is an an American story,

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<v Speaker 3>after all. The complete Hulk Hogan presenting now our interview

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<v Speaker 3>with Tony Atlas as we say goodbye to Hulk Hogan's

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<v Speaker 3>first stint in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Tony, Okay, well, I would be talking to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be talking to you. I'll be working out at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. Fits in my work. That's all right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Tony Atlist, ladies and gentlemen. And if we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about Hulk Hogan's first run in WWF,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got to talk about the last few he had,

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<v Speaker 2>and really this July fourth weekend, it's a pleasure to

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<v Speaker 2>welcome mister Usa himself. He's in the gym, folks, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be getting some reps in while he

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<v Speaker 2>talks to us. But we're really glad to get some

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<v Speaker 2>of his time. Tony Atlas, thanks for.

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<v Speaker 1>Joining us, Yes, sir, good being with you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So we know that you first came across

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<v Speaker 2>Hulk in I think seventy nine in Georgia. What was

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<v Speaker 2>the first interaction you had with him?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's strange. I just won the Georgia title from

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Condric and that's him a lot of all the

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<v Speaker 1>big this senior he wanted all big wrestlers, so so

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up all the big guy that was going

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<v Speaker 1>in New York and burned Don You and all them places.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was the biggest guy in Georgia at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, I was two hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 1>eight pounds. But all the bigness wrestler in the old days,

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<v Speaker 1>the heel is always bigger than the baby face. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how they wanted you know the heel because nobody likes

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<v Speaker 1>you a big guy up on a little guy. So

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<v Speaker 1>it worked perfect for old school wrestling. Well, anyway, it

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested by name of Thommy Wildfire Rich and Tommy

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<v Speaker 1>went to only Anason from one part of the Minnesota

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<v Speaker 1>wrecking crew. There was no on Amazon. Then it was

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<v Speaker 1>only and Jane Anderson. They were they would have ridden

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<v Speaker 1>to Anderson first, it was laws Anason, and then Jeane

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<v Speaker 1>only came along later. But anyway, uh, Tommy Rich went

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<v Speaker 1>to older said, holy d you know, Tony don't have

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<v Speaker 1>nobody big enough to work with him. Why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>use that big guy. You know, he's all muscled up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all a bad work up. And they were saying that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, y'all work a program. We're trying to work

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<v Speaker 1>with the big guy on AMAS. I say that guy

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<v Speaker 1>would never draw a damn in this business.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>And they didn't do the program. And then I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see Cogland animal and that I went to New y'all

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<v Speaker 1>that's wild and right, and even though he was big

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<v Speaker 1>and powerful looking, everybody would beat him. I beat him

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<v Speaker 1>every time. I got him in the right every time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll talk about that for sure. I mean what

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<v Speaker 2>I saw watching some of the old Georgia tapes is

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<v Speaker 2>there's a confrontation between you and Sterling Golden in the studios.

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<v Speaker 2>Stan Hansen is talking with Gordon Soley, and then Tommy

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<v Speaker 2>Rich shows up and Hulk is just getting out of

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<v Speaker 2>the ring having just squashed somebody with the bear hug,

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<v Speaker 2>and you guys are face to face at ringside in

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<v Speaker 2>the Georgia TV studio screaming at each other. Sounded it

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<v Speaker 2>looked to me like they were trying to set up

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<v Speaker 2>a program there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but did know we never really work a lot

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<v Speaker 1>in Georgia. I mean I probably just beat him. I

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<v Speaker 1>just buil him up for me to beat him.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, was there a situation there, Tony where that they

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<v Speaker 2>started the program and then decided against it. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>why we see an angle the.

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<v Speaker 1>Problem, you know, to see the thing about me, I

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<v Speaker 1>was not really part of the office. So they were

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<v Speaker 1>a promoter that they had a thing that they would

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<v Speaker 1>do with the wrestler. Let's say I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>you champion. Well, before I put the belt on you,

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing I would do is, uh, have somebody

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<v Speaker 1>have somebody to beat have you to lose to somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that everybody beat. Yes, uh, and then I would set

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<v Speaker 1>back and look at your face because putting it in

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<v Speaker 1>the older day, putting the tighter on the person was

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. Trying to get it off was another. Because

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<v Speaker 1>the wrestlers had a lot of control. The only thing

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<v Speaker 1>in the promotion, the under the promotion we'd do was

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<v Speaker 1>he was in charge of promote. But once you got

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<v Speaker 1>it to the ring, there was no way on God

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<v Speaker 1>Green Earth that uh uh yeah, wait, let me do

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<v Speaker 1>a seton I'm yeah, I'm I'm trying to do an interview.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, hold on one sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hold on?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure we're being asked to hold on or if we're live,

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<v Speaker 2>pal one offul kind? I thought I thought we pulled

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<v Speaker 2>one off when Larry watched the Bruno match with this this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a.

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<v Speaker 2>This is you hear me, Tony?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure? Can I do a set? Somebody want to try

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<v Speaker 1>to take keep talking. You can't let it out on

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<v Speaker 1>the machine.

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<v Speaker 2>You cannot let anybody take your machine. I understand that

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<v Speaker 2>what I.

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<v Speaker 1>Do, I do my interview. Go ahead, go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>use that, go ahead, use I do it. After I

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<v Speaker 1>sent in my interview that's all. It comes back to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Tony.

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening to Uh anyway, make a long story short.

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<v Speaker 1>See he was a bad guy there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He was managed by Classic Freddy bless it and and

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<v Speaker 1>and I know I'm skipping around, but they called the

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<v Speaker 1>office and they wanted a picture of a wrestler over

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred pounds, over six feet tall. So the son

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<v Speaker 1>and pictures a big John stud Andrea to day the

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<v Speaker 1>Ronner montsou Well come care for the audition. Nobody showed up,

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<v Speaker 1>but hold him you're talking about that mon Sue was

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<v Speaker 1>the promoter. He was a promoter of New Jersey, so

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't need the money. Of course, Andre at that end,

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<v Speaker 1>at that time was making all four or five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>grand a year, had a big mansion out in North Carolina.

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00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:08.759
<v Speaker 1>So the traveling back and fall to Japan and you're

422
00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:11.960
<v Speaker 1>just making crazy money. So Andre didn't need the money.

423
00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Big John Stubb was being pushed at that time, uh

424
00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:21.640
<v Speaker 1>and making good money, Hogan, but was pretty much was

425
00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.000
<v Speaker 1>what we call a jobber, okay, pretty much. Yeah, he

426
00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.480
<v Speaker 1>was not a job for everybody, just for the top guys.

427
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

428
00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:32.880
<v Speaker 5>Andre was staring him around quite a bit. In nineteen eight,

429
00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:37.599
<v Speaker 5>exactly exactly. He was scared of deough of Andre. He

430
00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:44.079
<v Speaker 5>was scared of death of Andre. And anyway, Hoga went

431
00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:49.640
<v Speaker 5>made a movie. Yes, people forgot. He wasn't with ence

432
00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:52.119
<v Speaker 5>when he made that movie. He was with burn Gunya

433
00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:53.119
<v Speaker 5>out in Minneapolis.

434
00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:56.960
<v Speaker 1>And when it came out right, when he went to

435
00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:59.279
<v Speaker 1>the movie, he was always went him. This got rought

436
00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:03.359
<v Speaker 1>of him, this division using you never did number, They

437
00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:08.359
<v Speaker 1>didn't number for one after the movie, Yeah, you're with it.

438
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:11.519
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember do you remember hearing that that Vince

439
00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Senior told Hulk he can't do the movie? Do you

440
00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:14.200
<v Speaker 2>remember any of that?

441
00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:19.839
<v Speaker 1>Well, that fabably did, but that they told that that

442
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:24.039
<v Speaker 1>was that that fabably true because they told all of us,

443
00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:26.799
<v Speaker 1>do that give you a quick store or how the

444
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:33.279
<v Speaker 1>business work? They were so afraid of losing talent because

445
00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:37.119
<v Speaker 1>what happened in the past. We got a ed Earl Maynor, yeah,

446
00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:42.119
<v Speaker 1>way back right, and then he got into the movie

447
00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:45.160
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and then then then and other stuff, and

448
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:47.599
<v Speaker 1>he didn't ration no more. Then it was that called

449
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:51.279
<v Speaker 1>woodish stroll. Yeah, we know what he strode wotrow. But

450
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.200
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't after too. He got in the movie, never

451
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:59.680
<v Speaker 1>came back then you had uh his name called the oriented.

452
00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:04.759
<v Speaker 2>That oh from ah from uh James Bond movie. It's

453
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:06.799
<v Speaker 2>you got in the movie.

454
00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:10.160
<v Speaker 1>They never seen him again because they found out that

455
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:14.839
<v Speaker 1>they could make the same. But it's not more. Plus

456
00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:17.920
<v Speaker 1>with the movie, you had a guaranteed right. So every

457
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:19.799
<v Speaker 1>time they show that movies, you get a check in

458
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:23.200
<v Speaker 1>the water check and rest you get. There's no there

459
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:27.160
<v Speaker 1>was no insa on. A wrestler had to be more

460
00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:29.920
<v Speaker 1>than just ar wrestler. You have to be a businessman.

461
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Uh so wrestler what we called who was all to

462
00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:42.400
<v Speaker 1>call it steff? Uh employed? So you pay, you paid

463
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:45.599
<v Speaker 1>your own TAXI, You pay your own See what the

464
00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:47.920
<v Speaker 1>wrestled the dress put you on. Let's say one hundred

465
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:50.680
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars a year. You get one hundred thousand dollars

466
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a year flat, but nothing is taken out of that check.

467
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:57.200
<v Speaker 1>So you have to pay your state and federal income

468
00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:59.880
<v Speaker 1>tax out of that check. Yes, you got to pay

469
00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:02.160
<v Speaker 1>your own taxic. If you want a helfa show, you

470
00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:04.839
<v Speaker 1>got to pay your own helfa shows out of that chick. Yes,

471
00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:08.519
<v Speaker 1>you are right for yourself employed. You're not the only

472
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:12.079
<v Speaker 1>people that is employee. Are people that work in the office.

473
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that's that's uh, that's the way it's been.

474
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:17.480
<v Speaker 2>And I wanted to if I could remind it back

475
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:19.759
<v Speaker 2>to the Georgia days because I was listening to Ron Fuller.

476
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Ron Fuller had a podcast. He was talking about how

477
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:23.799
<v Speaker 2>he was the first guy to push Terry and he

478
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.480
<v Speaker 2>was in early seventy nine, creating him as Terry the

479
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Hulpe Boulder. And then at a certain point Terry went

480
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.319
<v Speaker 2>to Memphis. And Ron said, when Terry went to Memphis,

481
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:34.039
<v Speaker 2>he was in need of some big, muscled up babyface

482
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.400
<v Speaker 2>because Hulk was already a babyface. And he said that

483
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:40.319
<v Speaker 2>he brought you in to Southeastern his territory down there, Pensacola,

484
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:42.720
<v Speaker 2>that area, because Hogan had left for Memphis.

485
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember that, Well, probably not, not really, but

486
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:50.279
<v Speaker 1>I know at that time because there was a lot

487
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:54.839
<v Speaker 1>of guys that we was in one territory, but we

488
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:58.880
<v Speaker 1>was all over because we were suffer special. Just get

489
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.000
<v Speaker 1>an example like Dustin Rose. He always was based out

490
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 1>of Florida, but he ras anywhere because of his popularity

491
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:09.440
<v Speaker 1>from the magazine. Yes where at that time, you know,

492
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:13.359
<v Speaker 1>there was only two wrestlers in the world that had

493
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.039
<v Speaker 1>that type of physique and that was me and superstar

494
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Billy Graham, right. You know, we was known for being

495
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:23.920
<v Speaker 1>the two musclemans of that earl. So so even though

496
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:28.359
<v Speaker 1>I was in Georgia, I went a lot to reserve

497
00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:31.599
<v Speaker 1>Rasa there. I went to Texas for the von Erks,

498
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I went to Puerto Rico. I'm in Japan, and you know,

499
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.960
<v Speaker 1>because people wanted to see this physique that I had.

500
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, I was a United States Barnygullon champion. They

501
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:44.240
<v Speaker 1>never had that in rest in a full And that's

502
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 1>where the term mister USA compan is not from which

503
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.359
<v Speaker 1>I am very patriartic, But the name didn't start because

504
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:53.240
<v Speaker 1>of my patroness through the country. He started because the

505
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Barnagullon title mister in USA. Once I won that, that's

506
00:27:57.079 --> 00:28:01.599
<v Speaker 1>what they promoted. Like Peter, they promoted him his Olympic

507
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.880
<v Speaker 1>our stuff because seeing the old day, our job was

508
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.279
<v Speaker 1>to make the people believe and if they could get

509
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.599
<v Speaker 1>something legitimate, they would push the hell out of it. Yes,

510
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:19.200
<v Speaker 1>because they're legitimate. This guy really is. Because we had

511
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot of guys that pretended to be something that

512
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:24.319
<v Speaker 1>they wasn't. Like Alvin Coloff was French Canadian.

513
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:29.920
<v Speaker 2>That's like a really good one. So you know, obviously

514
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:32.759
<v Speaker 2>Terry was big, But what was the difference between Terry's

515
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.119
<v Speaker 2>regiment and your regiment? Because you were really cut in

516
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:37.519
<v Speaker 2>seventy nine eighty and he wasn't.

517
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:47.359
<v Speaker 1>HLBM had what very few people had dust Road had.

518
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:52.079
<v Speaker 1>I would say the best pressure to prepare him to

519
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>was Dusty Road. Here's the reason why Huff Holgum is

520
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>a remake, a remade a Superstar Bill of Glare.

521
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:03.640
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

522
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people have tried to the three people

523
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>have took that women. You see super soft Bill a

524
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:10.759
<v Speaker 1>bear with a butt. The people know. I saw much

525
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:13.720
<v Speaker 1>like that in wrestling in New York. Nuh And the

526
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.880
<v Speaker 1>bigger mistake Vince Senior made that he realized that later

527
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:20.599
<v Speaker 1>were taking that belt off of Superstar. So every safe

528
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.400
<v Speaker 1>they took the belt off the Superlow, they would look

529
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.759
<v Speaker 1>for somebody to repate with the tribe with Jesse. Jesse

530
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't pull it off. But I remember when I first

531
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.880
<v Speaker 1>got so Hogan now I'm a good guy. He's a

532
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>bad guy. Every time I wrested. If you could listen

533
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>to the audience, half of the audience were cheering for Hogan.

534
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Asked caring for me. Everybody he got in the ring,

535
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>the same thing happened. They were promoters, didn't use it

536
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>because people he could not he couldn't get over totally

537
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 1>as a heel, and he wanted to be a heel

538
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>for the whole time. He was a babyface for the

539
00:29:58.039 --> 00:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>moment he came to that door. Why do you think

540
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that is he had? It was just something Well, this

541
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>is the reason why in New York they have one

542
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Colcasian main eventor.

543
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Boy Backland yea at the time about Backland, Yeah.

544
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>That was the only person that was on top that

545
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:28.039
<v Speaker 1>was not a minority. See, Vin Senior had the idea

546
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:32.119
<v Speaker 1>that he wanted somebody to represent all the nationalities in

547
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.880
<v Speaker 1>New York. So that way he had to have Japanese,

548
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>they have to have Puerto Ricans, have to have Black,

549
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>have to have Polish, and all these people were you know,

550
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.119
<v Speaker 1>non you know like Alex Husky, he was Cocasian, but

551
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:49.359
<v Speaker 1>he went at Polish power. Yeah, so he represented Poland,

552
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:53.839
<v Speaker 1>not the USA. So Caucasian at that time made up

553
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.319
<v Speaker 1>eighty two percent of the population and the rest that

554
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:01.720
<v Speaker 1>they had no reputation to represent. And on top of that,

555
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the three major sports. The three major sports in America

556
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:12.720
<v Speaker 1>at that time was dominated minorities, sure, yipball, basketball and baseball,

557
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.799
<v Speaker 1>and they were the three major sports. With wrestling. They

558
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.359
<v Speaker 1>saw that in wrestling and w c W only you

559
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:23.559
<v Speaker 1>very few minority but New York. You know, he named

560
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>all the wrestler that was around me. If you noticed them,

561
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>all minority, Jimmy Schluckers, all these guys, and so what

562
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Jehovah there would change the scenario once they put Hogan

563
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.839
<v Speaker 1>on top, hence reversed it. And then all your top

564
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>guys except for junk Yard Dog and Pdo Santana, was

565
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:46.319
<v Speaker 1>all occasion. It's not a racier FAO's of business than so.

566
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:48.599
<v Speaker 2>You're saying that's why Hulk got cheered even when he

567
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>was a heel against you.

568
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they had nobody to cheer for in New

569
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 1>York for years. Say you know, even Bruno Simonino, he

570
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Speaker 1>was super far of the last white guy they could

571
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:03.359
<v Speaker 1>cheer for. Think about it. Yeah, Bruno was up, Bruno

572
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.559
<v Speaker 1>was Italian. It's a cion on top.

573
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Of it, Tony, what was the difference between Hulk's workout

574
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:09.759
<v Speaker 2>regimen and yours?

575
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:10.559
<v Speaker 1>You had?

576
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:12.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, you were so sculpted. He was huge, but

577
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:13.440
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't sculpted.

578
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:20.720
<v Speaker 1>What was the difference, Well, Hobum didn't compete, So if

579
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't compete, uh yeah, right right. Hobo was a restaurant,

580
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:29.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, he never thought about being a bottlegood. So

581
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.920
<v Speaker 1>he went in for lotw reps and heavy weight, and

582
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>I would do both. I would do the heavyweight, but

583
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:37.559
<v Speaker 1>I also would do the reps. And then my diet

584
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.240
<v Speaker 1>or to is how you eat, you know, like like

585
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:45.519
<v Speaker 1>like like oga, we eat fried chickens. I eat baked chickens.

586
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:47.279
<v Speaker 2>Right yeah.

587
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:51.000
<v Speaker 1>He would eat mac and cheese and I eat a solid.

588
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.240
<v Speaker 1>He eat the cherry pie and I eat the cherry.

589
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:59.839
<v Speaker 1>The cherry would not eat the cherry pie. Right. I

590
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.240
<v Speaker 1>never eat bread when I was competing. Bread was out

591
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:07.559
<v Speaker 1>of it. So mainly I ate meat and uh, veggies

592
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:12.519
<v Speaker 1>and fruit nothing else. And Hogan still enjoyed some of

593
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 1>that Southern cooking. It sounds like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

594
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>We had a lot of greens. You know, I call

595
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>it greens tale, you know, in a veggie. You know.

596
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I I wouldn't eat potatoes because that to me was

597
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>a start. All I ate was just veggies, fruit and

598
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>uh uh uh uh uh meat and if I got

599
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>a burger, I would get them without the gun.

600
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:43.799
<v Speaker 2>Did you give yourself a cheat day?

601
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>No? No, no, no, no guitar. Yeah yeah, we both

602
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 1>started one cheat they didn't one that you see what

603
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. Got here. Yeah, when your bottle bill, you

604
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 1>got to you got to be dedicated to it. Uh

605
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>one hundred shake, Tony.

606
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:06.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking through some of the results from Georgia and

607
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I see a couple of matches you had, uh that

608
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:11.199
<v Speaker 2>were tag matches. It was you and Ray Candy versus

609
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Austin Idel and Sterling Golden. Do you remember any of those? Wow?

610
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:18.679
<v Speaker 1>I remember that wall.

611
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 5>Before we were all snida, he was uh Rick McCall,

612
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:23.119
<v Speaker 5>Mike McCord, Mike McCord yep.

613
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Mich McCall. Yeah, yeah, Mike Mike McCall is at that

614
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:28.639
<v Speaker 1>playing guy because that he became lost all that white

615
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:32.119
<v Speaker 1>that when he became Paul Island. Yes, yeah, Well you

616
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>bring back a lot of a lot of a lot

617
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>of memories. You know, it's all for me, remember a

618
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff because you realize that what you're talking

619
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:41.039
<v Speaker 1>about was almost fifty years ago.

620
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, and it's and you were so busy.

621
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.599
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's it's hard to remember one match first another.

622
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.440
<v Speaker 2>That's why I bring it up to spark the memory

623
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:49.239
<v Speaker 2>with the promotion job.

624
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.519
<v Speaker 1>But if they kept you busy, did they know you

625
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.559
<v Speaker 1>don't have time to do nothing else? Right? Yeah? And

626
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:56.960
<v Speaker 1>getting that's how they kept you in the business. Like

627
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.039
<v Speaker 1>you told me about the Cohoba not to make the movie. Well, anyway,

628
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:06.280
<v Speaker 1>when I became mister the USA in nineteen seventy nine,

629
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<v Speaker 1>Johnny I wish the name Tim Wood. Tim would he

630
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:16.039
<v Speaker 1>wrestled mister wrest number one. He he sagged me up

631
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 1>for it. He went to the gym and shamed me up.

632
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:23.079
<v Speaker 1>And he said, Tony, have you got the office? Tell

633
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:24.599
<v Speaker 1>you you could go? I said, yeah. I went by

634
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.719
<v Speaker 1>George Scott, he was the booker. He said I could

635
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.960
<v Speaker 1>go to the contest. He said, you really want to

636
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 1>go to the contest. He said, you really want to

637
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:36.719
<v Speaker 1>go to the content? I said yes. He said, well,

638
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.920
<v Speaker 1>don't answer your phone. I said, you shure, He said,

639
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.840
<v Speaker 1>don't answer your phone? He said he said, he said

640
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.559
<v Speaker 1>this this bus. I do not want uh wrestler to

641
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 1>get involved with other sluff Becausey're afraid of losing them.

642
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.079
<v Speaker 1>So all day the phone kept ringing and ring it

643
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 1>and ring it, and I don't know what Tim Wood says,

644
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:03.079
<v Speaker 1>don't answer that phone. So I didn't off the phones.

645
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I got on the plane. I flew to New York.

646
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 1>Uh you gotta put this in there too, my life.

647
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I almost got killed that day. The guy that the

648
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.280
<v Speaker 1>guy took pictures of me, he was he took pictures

649
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.199
<v Speaker 1>for the uh uh, the magazine, and he heard that

650
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna go to the contest, so he was

651
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna pick me up at the airport and drive me

652
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:29.880
<v Speaker 1>around pick picture of me on stage to put in

653
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:33.480
<v Speaker 1>the rest of magazine. His name was George palm Tana.

654
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Georgia pala Tana was his name. So anyway, he picked

655
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 1>me up at the Laguardi Airport. We drive him uh

656
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:42.440
<v Speaker 1>uh to where they're going to have the show at

657
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.119
<v Speaker 1>and I saw this guy just kicking the crap out

658
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>of this woman. So I started to get out the

659
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:52.239
<v Speaker 1>car to help the woman. George grabbed me around the waist.

660
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.119
<v Speaker 1>He traned everything in his power to hold me back.

661
00:36:56.599 --> 00:37:00.320
<v Speaker 1>He said, told him he's her pimp. He wouldn't you.

662
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:03.840
<v Speaker 1>And as soon as he said that, the guy noticed

663
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>me trying to get to her. He reached underneath his

664
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>jacket and pulled out of his gun and probably walking

665
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:11.960
<v Speaker 1>towards me. Oh my goodness, jump back in the car

666
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.159
<v Speaker 1>and George took off and they were George La Paulo

667
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Thomas Jesus and I would have died that day. I

668
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.599
<v Speaker 1>would have got shot that day on my way to

669
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the mister Ussa tidle.

670
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow, it's one of the other, right, dead or you

671
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>become mister Usa that day.

672
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:30.519
<v Speaker 1>I would have not that day. Even if I hadn't died,

673
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 1>I would have went to the houspital. I wouldn't have

674
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>went to that contest. I was either end up in

675
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:36.679
<v Speaker 1>the house bitter all the way Joab, I would not

676
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.920
<v Speaker 1>been in that car any way. I won the contest.

677
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.639
<v Speaker 1>I came back then and then all of a sudden

678
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.840
<v Speaker 1>my phone went the hell are you? Then as I

679
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.599
<v Speaker 1>went to the contact, but we were looking for you

680
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.679
<v Speaker 1>all over and everything. Get your ass down to the office.

681
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>We got a bump with so for lard. Joan was

682
00:37:57.800 --> 00:37:59.639
<v Speaker 1>going to meet me that day. To me, he would

683
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>go to the off the and Rufus said, how do

684
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:06.800
<v Speaker 1>you do in the contest? I said, I won? He said,

685
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.760
<v Speaker 1>go back in your apartment, get your trophy. Then go

686
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:11.599
<v Speaker 1>get the trophy. I said, I don't want to care it.

687
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Go get your troping. You want to say, go get

688
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.599
<v Speaker 1>your trophy for the freight train dell. So I went

689
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:20.039
<v Speaker 1>back to my apartment and I got, uh, got my trophy.

690
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.639
<v Speaker 1>Well in a way. When I got to the office,

691
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I had my trophy and then uh, David Crockett said

692
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:33.000
<v Speaker 1>what that troph for? I said, first place? Think you one?

693
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I said, yeah, I won. It's all fantastic, which usual

694
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:37.840
<v Speaker 1>all TV.

695
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:39.079
<v Speaker 3>Yah.

696
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:42.559
<v Speaker 1>Well rufus knew why they called me. See, they didn't

697
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 1>want me to go. They wanted me to put me

698
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:48.039
<v Speaker 1>on a little spots filled. They didn't need me. But

699
00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 1>they didn't want me to go to the content. So

700
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 1>they what do we do? They tell you could do something.

701
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Then the day of the show they recall you, and

702
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>and then and they have you to arrest us somewhere,

703
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>and therefore they do. And then when you told me

704
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>about the Holger, yeah, over the only one. They told

705
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:08.639
<v Speaker 1>him that with the with the uh they did her

706
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.440
<v Speaker 1>like I told not to go and make that movie

707
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:14.119
<v Speaker 1>of wonder Woman. He was going to do a wonder

708
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Woman if they pass it up for them and then

709
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:19.079
<v Speaker 1>they end up tier anyway. That's what they do, that

710
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:21.639
<v Speaker 1>the rassal auto tip. Yeah, but they want to keep

711
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.559
<v Speaker 1>you in the business. And once you get involved in

712
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.159
<v Speaker 1>something else, why are you gonna travel in that highway

713
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:29.119
<v Speaker 1>they call them bump where you're gonna make the same money,

714
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>make more than a movie.

715
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.519
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, We've seen so many do that, Tony. Can

716
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:36.199
<v Speaker 2>I have you go back to if you can remember

717
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.159
<v Speaker 2>anything about uh teaming with Ray Candy against Hulk and

718
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Austin Idol.

719
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Not really fine, I know, yeah, it's hard to think

720
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>about uh uh that fuck. But what I do know

721
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:56.159
<v Speaker 1>about Hogan if you could find that, man, I bet

722
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>you dollars to do nothing that half of the order

723
00:39:59.159 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>is caring for Hope.

724
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:00.679
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow.

725
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was the thing about Hope. It was something

726
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:08.159
<v Speaker 1>about him that people just drew to him. You know,

727
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:12.239
<v Speaker 1>certain people that the Dusty Road were like that Dusty

728
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.360
<v Speaker 1>was like it was there's something about Dusty even it

729
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:18.800
<v Speaker 1>was a big fat guy and everything else, but you

730
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:21.639
<v Speaker 1>know it didn't matter. Well, why don't you think Olie

731
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:27.639
<v Speaker 1>Anderson saw that in Hult? Because only was a wrestler

732
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 1>and he just looked at hoban ability as a wrestler,

733
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>which Hoba did not. It was not the best wrestler

734
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I see. Yeah, he was not like a terrorist frong

735
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>or you know, a Harley raised. He was not going

736
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 1>to call a rastler. So he always felt when Vince

737
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.840
<v Speaker 1>chained the business, Olga was perfect for the Hobo was

738
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:56.559
<v Speaker 1>perfect for entertainment business. He was not perfect for the

739
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:01.159
<v Speaker 1>wrestler building. He looked when he tried to rast try

740
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:03.280
<v Speaker 1>to picture, and another guy was like, I was thunder

741
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Boat powders of powder was a big draw, but he

742
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.079
<v Speaker 1>was not a wrestler. But you put him in a

743
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.400
<v Speaker 1>wrestling match. They did a match one time with Oli

744
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:15.039
<v Speaker 1>and uh Thron. The Boat a wrestler and the first

745
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:19.400
<v Speaker 1>person to throw a punch lose a match. Let mean

746
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.440
<v Speaker 1>thunder Boat had the rest of this whole match about

747
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.599
<v Speaker 1>throwing a punch, and many per say the thunder Boat

748
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:30.440
<v Speaker 1>matching was punching. It was the worst, brother, it was

749
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:35.559
<v Speaker 1>the worst match. Anybody saying they like but influential. Nonetheless,

750
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:40.760
<v Speaker 1>guys that was good entertainers like Ox Baker. He was

751
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.840
<v Speaker 1>a great entertainer, but you put him in a wrestling match,

752
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:45.159
<v Speaker 1>he looked horrible.

753
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's about with Austin Idel. I mean you talked

754
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:56.000
<v Speaker 2>about about this. Yeah, hold on grand I can see

755
00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:57.280
<v Speaker 2>him taking one, not doing one.

756
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:02.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they all hip tops, even hip tooss. Yeah, any

757
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:05.639
<v Speaker 1>wrestling move, name one that he does well.

758
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I would say, Tony, you struggled mightily to get him

759
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:09.360
<v Speaker 2>up for that gorilla press, and.

760
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he didn't want to go up. That was

761
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.239
<v Speaker 1>his first slam, tell me about it. It wasn't It

762
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.760
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just his first press lamb. It was his first slam.

763
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Were slammed him. But yeah, press slammers it.

764
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Called big guys back then, three oundther pound guys. They

765
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:28.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't take them bumps, They didn't take them by bumps.

766
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:30.320
<v Speaker 2>What did he say to you about the gorilla press?

767
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Was he like saying, no, don't do it, brother, Or

768
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:32.639
<v Speaker 2>how'd that go?

769
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Watch his hand? He tried to grab my trunks and everything.

770
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks like he's trying to stop.

771
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.920
<v Speaker 1>You look at him. He tried to grab hold of something.

772
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.280
<v Speaker 1>He was scared enough. I kept saying, old still, I'm

773
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.880
<v Speaker 1>dropped him. I'm trying to give him hold still. He

774
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.159
<v Speaker 1>almost pissed on himself. He'd never been up there before.

775
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:57.360
<v Speaker 1>That was his first tam up there three hundred song pounds.

776
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.719
<v Speaker 1>He was thinking about now I'm going to dive in. Yeah,

777
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>think about you, three hundred forty town man. You'd never

778
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>been off your feet, he's never been sue fletched, he's

779
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 1>never been back drunk. He'd never been slam until he

780
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:17.559
<v Speaker 1>met me. Okay, so for him this new territory for

781
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:22.039
<v Speaker 1>uhuse what most big guys do that you're just going

782
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:24.679
<v Speaker 1>to just beat you up like guerrilla Monsoon. Monson didn't

783
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>take no slams or anything right Big John Stub. In fact,

784
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.079
<v Speaker 1>they had a gimmick with John Slow the first person

785
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:36.440
<v Speaker 1>to slam them. What was it that? Yeah, they had

786
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:37.760
<v Speaker 1>a slam thing for them. Guys.

787
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.320
<v Speaker 2>When you were when you were Togan Tony in those

788
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 2>matches where you grilla pressed him, what was it like

789
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:44.480
<v Speaker 2>before the match in the locker room talking about what

790
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:45.239
<v Speaker 2>was going to happen?

791
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Did you have you were get fired?

792
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Wasn't there a story where where Vince said around

793
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.280
<v Speaker 2>you and Hulk that do whatever you want with him?

794
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

795
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you were talking there.

796
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we has separate dressing room, right so that if

797
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:05.519
<v Speaker 1>you noticed the old family, we didn't dress in the

798
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.920
<v Speaker 1>same dressing room. So the rough for you was a

799
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:11.920
<v Speaker 1>guy that run back and forth. Yes, uh, the rough

800
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.119
<v Speaker 1>we would would tell you what what they were saying.

801
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:16.360
<v Speaker 1>So because the rough, we would go from dressing room

802
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:19.280
<v Speaker 1>to dressing room, the people really know what was up.

803
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:24.519
<v Speaker 1>But I couldn't walk into the hill dressing right, and

804
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 1>we couldn't even ride together. We couldn't even say at

805
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:27.559
<v Speaker 1>the same hotel.

806
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess I should have just said, did you know

807
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.320
<v Speaker 2>going in the ring? Did Hulk know going in the

808
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:32.719
<v Speaker 2>ring that you were going to press slam them?

809
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

810
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay? And was there a lot of negotiation? Was he like,

811
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do that? Do you remember?

812
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.800
<v Speaker 1>No? No, if you go home to do that, what's that?

813
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:43.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry you go?

814
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.239
<v Speaker 1>They were saying, you home right right? You pretty much

815
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.920
<v Speaker 1>need you had to be in a certain position, right

816
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.280
<v Speaker 1>like a Harley Race could have done that, but not

817
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.679
<v Speaker 1>a ton of Afson, not of Okhovia understood. Yep, yeah,

818
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 1>just like in an element, and you have to you

819
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.559
<v Speaker 1>have to be in a certain uh like God to

820
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:08.000
<v Speaker 1>write your own check. It took a certain person. Holman

821
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>was able to do that later where he could write

822
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.519
<v Speaker 1>his own check, but the first time Hopah had in

823
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:16.639
<v Speaker 1>decision on what he did when we went to w CW.

824
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:18.440
<v Speaker 1>He never had no say so on what he lived.

825
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:21.280
<v Speaker 1>They went to w CW, he put it in his contract.

826
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.719
<v Speaker 1>See you put it in that creative control, said that

827
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:31.400
<v Speaker 1>he had control over over his finishes. Yes, of the match,

828
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Tony were exchanging it.

829
00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:35.559
<v Speaker 2>We were sharing some messages with I think Daniel Seveldi,

830
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:37.480
<v Speaker 2>one of the Savoldi family members, and he says, there

831
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:39.960
<v Speaker 2>is a story about when you were working with Hogan

832
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:42.320
<v Speaker 2>and Hogan was really paranoid about getting fucked in the

833
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.159
<v Speaker 2>ring and went to Angelo and basically told him not

834
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.480
<v Speaker 2>to slap three. When you guys wrestled in Philly. Do

835
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:48.039
<v Speaker 2>you remember that?

836
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Never just say it again?

837
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the story is when you were wrestling

838
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan in Philly in nineteen eighty one, just as

839
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:58.320
<v Speaker 2>he was about to leave the company, Hulk was worried

840
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:02.639
<v Speaker 2>about uh, basically like a fast count. And the story

841
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:05.880
<v Speaker 2>is that during that match he went to Angelo Sevoldi,

842
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:10.119
<v Speaker 2>who had Mario Sevoldi refereeing the match, and Mario did

843
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:12.119
<v Speaker 2>ref the match. We saw the tape and that there

844
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 2>was basically a promise that Mario wouldn't count hulked down

845
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>in that match when you rolled him up. And if

846
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:19.880
<v Speaker 2>you watch Mario, he kind of does have a weird count.

847
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:21.800
<v Speaker 2>He hits the mat twice and then he like he

848
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.039
<v Speaker 2>hesitates to hit it a third time, and then he does.

849
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember any of that?

850
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, you see, that's what I'm saying. So that went

851
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.800
<v Speaker 1>off in the heels. That's your room, yes, true, Ah,

852
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.440
<v Speaker 1>so what I went. I knew nothing about it. It

853
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 1>see that. But see Holger was not going to kick

854
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.400
<v Speaker 1>out on me anyway. Because there's something else that we

855
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.519
<v Speaker 1>could do back in over the day. Yeah, brother, that

856
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:47.239
<v Speaker 1>we could do them. We can't do it now, but

857
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:50.480
<v Speaker 1>buy then if he has screwed me in the ring,

858
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:55.119
<v Speaker 1>I would have stretched him. Oh really, I was a shooter,

859
00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 1>m I was an amateur wrestler and I boxed in

860
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the Golden Glove before I got into wrestling. So what

861
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.079
<v Speaker 1>these old channels would do in the old days, they

862
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:11.280
<v Speaker 1>would kick the crap all of you if you screwed

863
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:14.480
<v Speaker 1>around with them? Did they promoted? They try to get

864
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:16.599
<v Speaker 1>sweep with me in the rain, but he's putting me over.

865
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.039
<v Speaker 1>I knew I could beat him up if I wanted

866
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:21.880
<v Speaker 1>to do you have to sound I'm.

867
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Saying absolutely no.

868
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:27.159
<v Speaker 1>I understand thought Ober knew that if he screwed around

869
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:29.800
<v Speaker 1>with me out there, he won't have problem.

870
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:34.559
<v Speaker 3>When you knew that, when after you after you rolled

871
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:36.679
<v Speaker 3>him up with the you know he did a pin

872
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.639
<v Speaker 3>with a roll up, and even say after he came

873
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.599
<v Speaker 3>back to w w F after you know, after he

874
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.280
<v Speaker 3>went away and a way into the movie whatever, did

875
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:48.920
<v Speaker 3>you notice any kind of increase in paranoia and nervousness

876
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:49.360
<v Speaker 3>by him?

877
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:50.079
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

878
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Something that that you follow another motor. Yeah, I come

879
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.639
<v Speaker 1>out of the Auer trust and that hold them that beat,

880
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:03.519
<v Speaker 1>the hold of that whole will never beat.

881
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's true. It's concerning did did he got back?

882
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever try to win back?

883
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever try to get that win back? Like

884
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.360
<v Speaker 2>even later on, did you? No, he didn't want to.

885
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Didn't want to see. Vin Senior told me something and

886
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:30.880
<v Speaker 1>over everybody knew that Tony, if you could lift them up,

887
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.840
<v Speaker 1>you could pin them. That was my finish and the

888
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:40.119
<v Speaker 1>old day we respect each other finished. Hogan knew I

889
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:43.719
<v Speaker 1>was going to press hell. I was looked to be

890
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:49.480
<v Speaker 1>in WrestleMania. Uh, white armist. I was coming out the

891
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:51.840
<v Speaker 1>hotel the Ramada in the Fall and ninth and eighth

892
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Street Armist Polo was waiting at the door with him

893
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:58.360
<v Speaker 1>with a twenty five hundred dollars check. He's a kid

894
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:01.559
<v Speaker 1>the bar want you to take the night off this

895
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.519
<v Speaker 1>wrasser Mamium one. Now I got to raft a Bunday.

896
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:07.360
<v Speaker 1>They gave me the check. He said, look, if you

897
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.440
<v Speaker 1>signed the back of the check, I give you. Catch

898
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:12.880
<v Speaker 1>you and your lady. I was dating this girl man

899
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:14.599
<v Speaker 1>from Total Week because she was a witness in the

900
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Slipper murder. But any way, me and her will

901
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:19.159
<v Speaker 1>go out. I'm gonna have a good time because I

902
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.920
<v Speaker 1>was gonna rash a Bunday. They called as d Jones

903
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:24.840
<v Speaker 1>and asked he to come down to take my place

904
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:28.639
<v Speaker 1>at the keen call on Bunday because Bundy knew I

905
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.000
<v Speaker 1>was gonna press him because I did it on TV

906
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.400
<v Speaker 1>when he was wresting the Press. They knew I was

907
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna press him. If I don't slam you, I will

908
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 1>set you on the rope like I did Paul Umboff

909
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:44.360
<v Speaker 1>and patch you on the head. That's how I kept

910
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.320
<v Speaker 1>myself over. So guys knew. They said, Tony get his

911
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:49.079
<v Speaker 1>hand on you you're going up in the air. You're

912
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:52.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna You're gonna go up. You couldn't something I had

913
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:54.719
<v Speaker 1>a four hundred I had a six hundred and fifty

914
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:57.280
<v Speaker 1>pound bench and a four hundred and twenty five pound

915
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>cleaning jerk. I used to do eight to ten reps

916
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:07.760
<v Speaker 1>with three fifteen behind see him behind the neck presses, right, Yeah,

917
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.000
<v Speaker 1>so that's why I hold them. The other got back

918
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:10.920
<v Speaker 1>in the ring media not.

919
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a well, you make a great point that,

920
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, Hulk, you know, never got.

921
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:18.679
<v Speaker 1>Back and whop everybody. He came back and whooped everybody but.

922
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Me, And it's a great point that he got those

923
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 2>wins back. Another thing no one else ever did was

924
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 2>roll him up from behind, although he was I'm sure

925
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.639
<v Speaker 2>concerned about that, but like you rolled him up from behind.

926
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, see wrestlers knew that because see the wrestler had

927
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:38.599
<v Speaker 1>more control than than they do now. So the promoter

928
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:41.199
<v Speaker 1>could tell me what they want to tell me, the

929
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:43.760
<v Speaker 1>one like a prooter, like it's a master. Why and

930
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Paul on off? They told me they said totally wanted

931
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:48.400
<v Speaker 1>to put Paul over when I had heath with Paul

932
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:50.519
<v Speaker 1>for he bit my ears. You know. So I liked him,

933
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.000
<v Speaker 1>but not that much. So I said, well, I don't

934
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:55.519
<v Speaker 1>do what I want with him to run. I picked

935
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>him up, put them on on the rope and made

936
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.639
<v Speaker 1>him look sullid. I did the same thing BRANDED said,

937
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:02.719
<v Speaker 1>made him look sully. So the old time I make

938
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.559
<v Speaker 1>her look sully, I'm the newtra all them guy like

939
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 1>and hold them. He knew about them shooters and how

940
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:12.199
<v Speaker 1>and how they would hurt you. So they tried to

941
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:16.079
<v Speaker 1>break his leg when he was in Florida, this Japanese

942
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:19.880
<v Speaker 1>trainer Shootie or what he was Shootie. Yeah. Yeah, he

943
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.119
<v Speaker 1>wasn't very big. Weren't watch five ft eight maybe two hundred.

944
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:26.760
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't hakushi right now, no, something like that. Yeah,

945
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:28.800
<v Speaker 1>he would wanted the trainers to head on him. And

946
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:32.800
<v Speaker 1>then what were the shooting like the Boston Sushi and

947
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:37.840
<v Speaker 1>all these Yeah, yeah, he didn't want to beat the

948
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:40.079
<v Speaker 1>hell out of the hold gun. Yeah, so Hoba knew

949
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:43.360
<v Speaker 1>that these God, if we all knew how to shoot.

950
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:45.760
<v Speaker 2>I want to play you a clip, Tony.

951
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:46.199
<v Speaker 1>We have it here.

952
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:47.519
<v Speaker 2>I think you'll be able to hear it on your phone.

953
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:49.639
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the promos that Hulk cut in

954
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:51.840
<v Speaker 2>New York before you wrestled him in nineteen eighty one,

955
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:53.960
<v Speaker 2>he cut a bunch of promos. You might you might

956
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:55.880
<v Speaker 2>recognize this. It's just twenty seconds, but I want to

957
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:56.800
<v Speaker 2>get your reaction to it.

958
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Just here we go. You will never ever ever pin

959
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:04.199
<v Speaker 1>me or be me in the center of the ring.

960
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:06.400
<v Speaker 1>There are a few things you might be better to

961
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.800
<v Speaker 1>be at. One on the shine shoes, maybe chusing spears,

962
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:12.840
<v Speaker 1>and maybe eating watermelon. Boy, you ain't nothing about a

963
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:15.199
<v Speaker 1>suit up spider monkey. And when you get in that

964
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.559
<v Speaker 1>room with me, I'm gonna show you the rooms the

965
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:20.920
<v Speaker 1>USA and the only undefeated russeller west in the world. Today,

966
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:26.119
<v Speaker 1>that's tough to listen to today. I remember that interview.

967
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you can hear it, Tony.

968
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he called me a spodermunker.

969
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what about all that today? It really doesn't sound good.

970
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:35.800
<v Speaker 2>What about that when you were were you okay with that?

971
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Well? Yeah, because you see, you've got to go with

972
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:39.239
<v Speaker 1>the time.

973
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.280
<v Speaker 6>You got to go with your pamp. Everybody had names

974
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:49.920
<v Speaker 6>for everybody back then. Everybody had named for But look

975
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.679
<v Speaker 6>look at the Jui batter called or tell your people gettings.

976
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a time. You know, you have to

977
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:03.000
<v Speaker 1>make rationing look real, mh. And during the time that

978
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.039
<v Speaker 1>what they call black people monkeys, and they called the

979
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Jewish people. They had names for Jewish people that they

980
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:12.840
<v Speaker 1>called a canyon WAPs and guineas. And I mean it

981
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:17.199
<v Speaker 1>was all power of the of the of the environment.

982
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he was, he was.

983
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.000
<v Speaker 1>He was going along with the tam the of the

984
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:27.159
<v Speaker 1>of the pirit of pan and a lot of guys

985
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.599
<v Speaker 1>did that. You know, it was you know, uh, it

986
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:33.239
<v Speaker 1>changed when a little when they got to Cava. I

987
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:36.159
<v Speaker 1>remember Black Josh Mouthergun did an interview one time about

988
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:40.679
<v Speaker 1>about lynching me and uh, you want father, you're gonna

989
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:43.480
<v Speaker 1>try father and length meet and our Pat Connough trick

990
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:46.119
<v Speaker 1>or said, that's a little bit kee for you. You

991
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:48.559
<v Speaker 1>can't go that far. You got to do another one.

992
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.079
<v Speaker 1>He said, what part you want to get? What he said?

993
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>The lynching part?

994
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:55.760
<v Speaker 2>All right, So that's that's good, that's good to get

995
00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:57.599
<v Speaker 2>your reaction to that at the time. So you didn't,

996
00:53:57.639 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 2>you didn't, you didn't have any objection to that.

997
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, no, that was good. Heat heat. I

998
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:04.920
<v Speaker 1>think the black people out there, all the black the

999
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:10.280
<v Speaker 1>bill was packed. So the more outrageous you were the

1000
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:13.480
<v Speaker 1>butt of the business was back in the day. That's

1001
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:17.199
<v Speaker 1>why Ronnie Piper was so popular later because he was outrageous,

1002
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:20.440
<v Speaker 1>and why Stone Cold Steve Awsome so popular. He was

1003
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.519
<v Speaker 1>so outraging, you see, the more out of work fare,

1004
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.320
<v Speaker 1>the outrageous and the way he talked and act and

1005
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:29.000
<v Speaker 1>bland and all this and that stuff. So that's him.

1006
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:30.880
<v Speaker 1>That was a big draw in the in the in

1007
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:34.239
<v Speaker 1>the in the industry. See, name didn't people is not

1008
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.960
<v Speaker 1>as sensitive. There was a different type of people and

1009
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the wheels all ranged. Sticks and stone would break our bones,

1010
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:44.679
<v Speaker 1>but names would never hurt. So so if somebody call

1011
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:47.880
<v Speaker 1>your name and you got offended. He was considered as

1012
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:50.599
<v Speaker 1>a punk.

1013
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:52.719
<v Speaker 2>A punk to be offended by a word.

1014
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well wait, yeah punk. It had under with homosexual.

1015
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:01.679
<v Speaker 1>It was you stalk, you can't take it. They would

1016
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:02.440
<v Speaker 1>like suck it up.

1017
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:05.199
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think as Tony you know, all those

1018
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.639
<v Speaker 2>years later, Hulk had that thing where he said the

1019
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:09.639
<v Speaker 2>N word on tape, and I think people go back

1020
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:11.599
<v Speaker 2>and watch this stuff from the early eighties, and you

1021
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:13.840
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, They're like, oh see he always

1022
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>was comfortable talking like that.

1023
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.360
<v Speaker 1>No, but he came up in that environment. Yeah, I

1024
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:21.719
<v Speaker 1>was too there to stop me from saying stuff like that.

1025
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.199
<v Speaker 1>But the problem I can't get in trouble for it

1026
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:27.840
<v Speaker 1>because because of my color, you see political correctness. And

1027
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.079
<v Speaker 1>you can put this in the paper if I make

1028
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.639
<v Speaker 1>sure you put this in the paper. What help bogan?

1029
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Is political corrected before wife's only? Prove me wrong? Interesting

1030
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:48.480
<v Speaker 1>for littica correctly before wife's only. How can a black

1031
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:51.920
<v Speaker 1>guy use the N word and become a millionaire and

1032
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:57.880
<v Speaker 1>hold her use it and and lose lose everything? Is

1033
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:02.199
<v Speaker 1>that possible? The word, the meaning of the world don't

1034
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.440
<v Speaker 1>change because the color of the person said it is.

1035
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:06.400
<v Speaker 1>They mean what it means. They don't change.

1036
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Right now we're living through it. But it's wild to

1037
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:13.039
<v Speaker 2>see these promos at their time.

1038
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Hey, nigga mean nigga, fag mean fag, sissy mean sissy?

1039
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Don't boy? Who said right right?

1040
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:20.960
<v Speaker 6>Right?

1041
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Right?

1042
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:26.079
<v Speaker 1>So whur coup is so different with cold gun because

1043
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:29.679
<v Speaker 1>he's what's he's uh, well, yeah, he's Caucasian. He is

1044
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:32.840
<v Speaker 1>a part Panamanian. Yet the only way you can get

1045
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:36.119
<v Speaker 1>in trouble for what you say you have to be Caucasian.

1046
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:39.400
<v Speaker 1>If you're black, you're saying what you want to say.

1047
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Nobody gonna say nothing about it.

1048
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Fascinating.

1049
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:44.559
<v Speaker 1>So that was your reaction to the getting raps. So

1050
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:46.760
<v Speaker 1>they use it all through the song You walk through

1051
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:50.079
<v Speaker 1>the Black neighborhood. They called each other the name then

1052
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:52.119
<v Speaker 1>also they as soon as the white guy said also,

1053
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:57.199
<v Speaker 1>they're in trouble. To me, that's the same thing that

1054
00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:59.840
<v Speaker 1>they did back in the sixty A white guy could

1055
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:02.039
<v Speaker 1>say what he want to say, but a black guy couldn't.

1056
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Same thing, same thing, reverse discrimination, political correct wife.

1057
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:12.679
<v Speaker 2>You have it from Tony at Less himself and then

1058
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:15.400
<v Speaker 2>himself weighing in because that clip of him saying that

1059
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:17.559
<v Speaker 2>in like watermelon and all that stuff that came up

1060
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:19.840
<v Speaker 2>again recently on social media. People found it and were

1061
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:22.800
<v Speaker 2>recirculating it, and I always wondered what you thought about it.

1062
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Brother, let me change something. He didn't lie. Excuse me,

1063
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:29.800
<v Speaker 1>he didn't lie. Okay, he didn't lie about none of that.

1064
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:33.519
<v Speaker 1>If we were felling the truth. Brother, I'm from Virginia,

1065
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.639
<v Speaker 1>and most Virginia black, all white. I don't care who

1066
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you are. See, we couldn't afford all them sweets like

1067
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:43.559
<v Speaker 1>they do now. Sure, most of farm for most blacks

1068
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:46.639
<v Speaker 1>were sharecropper. They work on a farm, especially down South. Yeah,

1069
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:52.119
<v Speaker 1>so we were pranking in watermela and that was our dessert.

1070
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Sure, water melon's delicious.

1071
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Watermelo. Yeah, people people live on a black little fried

1072
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.079
<v Speaker 1>kicking was the reason they loved for I think it

1073
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:07.039
<v Speaker 1>was the only time during the week where they got meat.

1074
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I see some they're done up. See I love it

1075
00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:13.440
<v Speaker 2>because it's delicious. But yeah, I didn't realize.

1076
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.800
<v Speaker 1>You see, you see people didn't eat like they do

1077
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:20.519
<v Speaker 1>their day back in the soil. You understand. My mother,

1078
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:23.960
<v Speaker 1>On Monday we cooked a pot of beans. Guess what

1079
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:27.639
<v Speaker 1>you have for the next three days? Beans bean? Yeah,

1080
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:33.800
<v Speaker 1>America chop stewart like America chopped short. How long you

1081
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:35.719
<v Speaker 1>say you can eat that America chop shot. Well, it's

1082
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:38.960
<v Speaker 1>gone days and days they had left over. So on

1083
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Sunday they had a big sun. That done after everybody

1084
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:45.440
<v Speaker 1>back in the older days they went to church on Sunday.

1085
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:47.960
<v Speaker 1>After church, they had a big sun. They've done up

1086
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:50.519
<v Speaker 1>after the big sun had done it. You have fried chicken,

1087
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:57.440
<v Speaker 1>mashed potatoes, green beans, and peach cobbery. You're making me

1088
00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:01.039
<v Speaker 1>hungry here, pal well, definitely my money just saying here,

1089
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:07.199
<v Speaker 1>but that, but that would part of our tradition. And

1090
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:11.880
<v Speaker 1>instead up until the seventies and eighty, thing changed. And

1091
00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:15.840
<v Speaker 1>then people started working different job, different employment, and and

1092
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:18.719
<v Speaker 1>and and and the change and people started eating meat

1093
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:21.159
<v Speaker 1>every day or whatever they want. They say that just

1094
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:24.320
<v Speaker 1>having chicken on. So see, there was no minimum raigs

1095
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:28.719
<v Speaker 1>back then. So what happened my mom? She would work

1096
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:31.000
<v Speaker 1>her job. Minimum rage at that time were probably about

1097
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:35.880
<v Speaker 1>a buck sixty because you got to and there was

1098
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:38.920
<v Speaker 1>no role verse in wade, which means the average parents.

1099
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:42.199
<v Speaker 1>We had. The smallest family in my neighborhood was nine kids.

1100
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:42.800
<v Speaker 2>That's what you mean?

1101
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:45.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, There was no role vers in wage, so

1102
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:47.760
<v Speaker 1>we had second I mean my dad took to say

1103
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:53.400
<v Speaker 1>time we look, my mom got pregnant, got pregnant.

1104
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:53.880
<v Speaker 2>At different time.

1105
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Indeed, but he had to you had to have a

1106
00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:02.000
<v Speaker 1>recommens he could stop having favors. He's a lapsed fan

1107
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:14.639
<v Speaker 1>wrestling podcast with Jack and and JP Soro. It's a

1108
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:16.639
<v Speaker 1>lapsed fan wrestling podcast.

1109
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Can I ask you a question about Hulk that I

1110
01:00:18.199 --> 01:00:21.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't ask before? Did you ever have a disagreement with him?

1111
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:22.199
<v Speaker 2>Or did you guys always get along?

1112
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I love him like a brother. Is that right? He

1113
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:30.599
<v Speaker 1>was the best, most generous to do anything for anybody

1114
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:35.079
<v Speaker 1>person in my life. Anything Holman said on the interview,

1115
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:37.639
<v Speaker 1>A lot of them. Woman. He was greening back then,

1116
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:41.400
<v Speaker 1>so the old timer would tell him how to do

1117
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:45.920
<v Speaker 1>an interview. So whatever Holman said about the brown monkey

1118
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:50.039
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, some promoter told me to do that. They

1119
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.880
<v Speaker 1>even tried that with me later on in my career.

1120
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:55.880
<v Speaker 1>It didn't work because the environment chad. They had me

1121
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:58.840
<v Speaker 1>the wrong Summers. You could look it up. In fact,

1122
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:00.760
<v Speaker 1>we're at ninety two ninety three when I was a

1123
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:03.400
<v Speaker 1>heel in w c W and I'm on the wrestled

1124
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:05.719
<v Speaker 1>round so many the first black head of the first

1125
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.960
<v Speaker 1>black champion. They had me to call him a porch monkey.

1126
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Told me this, Yeah told you. You know you you

1127
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:14.719
<v Speaker 1>could say that and get just what it told me.

1128
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:17.920
<v Speaker 1>You can say it and get away with it. We came,

1129
01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I see you could say that, but we can't. They

1130
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:25.280
<v Speaker 1>want to be aldle to heat between me and Ron Summer. Well, anyway,

1131
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I went out there call him a porch monkey, and

1132
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:31.239
<v Speaker 1>and and uh and then I said uh uh uh,

1133
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:35.639
<v Speaker 1>I said, Ron, uh, you living proof that Indians had

1134
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:40.800
<v Speaker 1>sex with buffalo. She said, wow, they really gave you

1135
01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:47.159
<v Speaker 1>the leash kest Now know about a month later we'll

1136
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:49.199
<v Speaker 1>watch it. Well, we're getting all these brothers from the

1137
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:53.239
<v Speaker 1>n W A, CPS and all the black groups, and

1138
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:55.440
<v Speaker 1>they wanted me off the TV. That's my w c

1139
01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:56.280
<v Speaker 1>W and letting go.

1140
01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.400
<v Speaker 2>What what was something that Holp did that was generous

1141
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:00.199
<v Speaker 2>that you remember.

1142
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Hoger? Well, if a person helped Hogo would help him,

1143
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:11.239
<v Speaker 1>he did it. He did it minytime. A lot of

1144
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:13.559
<v Speaker 1>guys were a little bit and lower a money over with.

1145
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:16.599
<v Speaker 1>He wouldn't say nothing. He was just slipping in your hand,

1146
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:23.159
<v Speaker 1>he said, brother, No, brother, yeah you okay, brother, okay, bner.

1147
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:26.800
<v Speaker 1>He would just walk away. People don't know what he

1148
01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:30.679
<v Speaker 1>did because he didn't like he would do things traveling.

1149
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:35.440
<v Speaker 1>He didn't want people to know he'd done that. Do

1150
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:36.440
<v Speaker 1>you understand what I'm saying?

1151
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:37.760
<v Speaker 2>I know that's that's great.

1152
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Don't know that either. Yeah, yeah, he would do stuff,

1153
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:42.320
<v Speaker 1>but he don't want you going around telling people he

1154
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:43.039
<v Speaker 1>did it. Right.

1155
01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:47.119
<v Speaker 2>You know have the Shay Stadium show you wrestled Paterra

1156
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:50.079
<v Speaker 2>and Hogan wrestled Andre and Larry Russell. Berno remember that show?

1157
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well you know every time Hoger got in

1158
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the ring with Laundi, he was scared of Andrea. Andre

1159
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:55.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't like him.

1160
01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:00.079
<v Speaker 2>We hear different things because he certainly he certainly the

1161
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:02.159
<v Speaker 2>Hulk slam him a bunch of times and work with

1162
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:04.239
<v Speaker 2>them all around the world over and over.

1163
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:10.760
<v Speaker 1>One million dollars personally. Why you let homeo beach here?

1164
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:13.519
<v Speaker 1>He said, they paid me a million bucks. Why don't

1165
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:18.800
<v Speaker 1>you think he liked Hogan? They had this thing that

1166
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:22.639
<v Speaker 1>were certain people like. I think it was the baby

1167
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:26.400
<v Speaker 1>all thing about that baby all yeah, Randon sad. But

1168
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:28.840
<v Speaker 1>he beat the crap out of around there. No baby

1169
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:33.239
<v Speaker 1>all right, and put on that baby all and we

1170
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:38.119
<v Speaker 1>knew right away he's gonna get beat up. He don't

1171
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:40.440
<v Speaker 1>get beat up. No baby.

1172
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:44.480
<v Speaker 2>All of oil checks though, right.

1173
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He would lay your flat on your stumm and

1174
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:49.760
<v Speaker 1>take his thumb and ram it up your rectum.

1175
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, did that ever happen to you, Tony?

1176
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.239
<v Speaker 1>No, he liked me. Oh he don't get to guys.

1177
01:03:55.280 --> 01:04:00.280
<v Speaker 1>He didn't like you. I know we're talking about the hold,

1178
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:03.039
<v Speaker 1>but let me tell you this about all that. Andre

1179
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:08.000
<v Speaker 1>loved me to death, hearing the reason why. We One

1180
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:13.480
<v Speaker 1>day was measuring our biceps in the dressing room and

1181
01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Andre was setting at the table playing cars, with on

1182
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:20.880
<v Speaker 1>the scolding in them. You always played call rugby whatever

1183
01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:23.039
<v Speaker 1>they're called up some type of game vision to play

1184
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:25.960
<v Speaker 1>card that they were playing the brot the pant board.

1185
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:28.039
<v Speaker 1>It was got a pant board that would move the

1186
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.119
<v Speaker 1>little pin in the hole, put them in the hole.

1187
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Cribbage privilege, crimmage. That's it. They playing cribbic. But anyway,

1188
01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:39.159
<v Speaker 1>I said, I want to measure on. So I put

1189
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:44.760
<v Speaker 1>the tape around andrea arm relaxed. Now it was in flexing,

1190
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:49.320
<v Speaker 1>just relaxed. They were twenty two and a half inches around.

1191
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:56.079
<v Speaker 1>I measuring my bicet. My bicep were twenty three inches around. Yep,

1192
01:04:56.760 --> 01:05:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I said, Andre, don't you wish you're was as big

1193
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:04.320
<v Speaker 1>as my home? We became the best of friends of

1194
01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:05.000
<v Speaker 1>that day off.

1195
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:06.320
<v Speaker 2>That's great.

1196
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:09.079
<v Speaker 1>Always wanted to fit in, he told me one time

1197
01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:14.280
<v Speaker 1>he felt like an animal in a cave. The longer

1198
01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:17.960
<v Speaker 1>you don't, he said, A midget know that he's small.

1199
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:21.239
<v Speaker 1>He don't like when you call him shorty. He know

1200
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:24.679
<v Speaker 1>he's short. He said. I know I'm big. I don't

1201
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:28.800
<v Speaker 1>need to be told that I'm big, right, So I

1202
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:31.199
<v Speaker 1>just always tell Andre, and don't you wish it was

1203
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:34.639
<v Speaker 1>as big as me. Did you ask go to the

1204
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:36.320
<v Speaker 1>gym one time? He said, I'm big enough?

1205
01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. I don't need to get any bigger, do you?

1206
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Always? And you treat Andre like a normal person and

1207
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:46.119
<v Speaker 1>don't mention his size. He's your best friend. But the

1208
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:49.679
<v Speaker 1>moment you mentioned anything about his side you don't want

1209
01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:52.840
<v Speaker 1>to do with you, you're alienating him.

1210
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:59.519
<v Speaker 7>Yeah right, he told what the guy didn't usually driving

1211
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:02.239
<v Speaker 7>round him white, He's I would give up, he's a

1212
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:04.159
<v Speaker 7>I would give up all the money I would made

1213
01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:06.840
<v Speaker 7>it been to be you for one day?

1214
01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow? Do you think that? Hult said his arms were

1215
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:12.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty four inches, so he could be one inch bigger

1216
01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:12.719
<v Speaker 2>than you.

1217
01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Really, but holdan, I was never as big as man.

1218
01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Everybody to know that you would go to see pictures

1219
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and everything with me and him? Yeah, he never had

1220
01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:25.679
<v Speaker 1>all the biggest biggest man.

1221
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I think he was twenty one twenty nineteen.

1222
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Twenty twenty three and a half oh, twenty three and

1223
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:38.000
<v Speaker 1>a half inch bicepo sixty in thirty two inch waist.

1224
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:41.159
<v Speaker 1>That's you, that's me? How about? How what do you

1225
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:45.320
<v Speaker 1>think Halt's real dimensions were? At least twenty two? Okay?

1226
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Got it?

1227
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:52.440
<v Speaker 1>At least twenty four. I don't think that did might

1228
01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:55.000
<v Speaker 1>have been. See Holger was so tall, so I'm a

1229
01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:58.480
<v Speaker 1>tall person. He alarm was much longer than man, So

1230
01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:01.360
<v Speaker 1>it might have been because you know, he would he

1231
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:04.800
<v Speaker 1>would like six seven, you know. Yeah, when the person

1232
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:09.360
<v Speaker 1>sixty seven like him at three hundred pounds, he looked

1233
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:13.719
<v Speaker 1>skinny at three hundred. Yeah, see me at three hundred,

1234
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:18.639
<v Speaker 1>I look like a boat, you know, Sharman tank tank.

1235
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.920
<v Speaker 1>What came back from Japan the first time, Tony Alan

1236
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Puston was on about two hundred and forty five pounds,

1237
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:26.320
<v Speaker 1>But when you saw him, because we're on a five

1238
01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:28.480
<v Speaker 1>foot eight at that point, I mean he looked like

1239
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:31.599
<v Speaker 1>he weighed three hundred and TV put twenty pounds on

1240
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:32.719
<v Speaker 1>you anyway.

1241
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:36.039
<v Speaker 2>That's true, right, right, But Hoo got back from Japan

1242
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:38.039
<v Speaker 2>for the first time, Tony he had he had done

1243
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:40.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot leaner. Why do you think that was?

1244
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Because what Japanese didn't eat all that junk food?

1245
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's the food.

1246
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Everything go down the food. You know, here's the burner king,

1247
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:52.239
<v Speaker 1>the McDonald and all that.

1248
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:54.519
<v Speaker 6>In Japan.

1249
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:59.320
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of rice uh uh caren barbecue, everything

1250
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:03.760
<v Speaker 1>cook on on Theria it wasn't. The Japanese food is

1251
01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:05.960
<v Speaker 1>not the same. All eat a lot of Charmi foods,

1252
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:08.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sugar Neck Charlie food, but not the

1253
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Japanese food. You need a lot of fresh fish, a

1254
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:15.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of fish. Yeah, Prus that trust. The matches was hard,

1255
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:20.520
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Was another junk. There was the Jopanes. They

1256
01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:25.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't really work. That was like a shooter fight the

1257
01:08:25.239 --> 01:08:27.680
<v Speaker 1>most half shoot, half work, half shoot half work.

1258
01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I have to say, Tony, I always thought it had

1259
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:31.039
<v Speaker 2>something to do with the fact that you wouldn't be

1260
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:34.680
<v Speaker 2>comfortable bringing, you know, Diana Ball to Japan or you

1261
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:36.319
<v Speaker 2>have to come off a cycle to go over there.

1262
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:41.439
<v Speaker 1>Right. Well, see home was big anyway, so he didn't

1263
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:44.760
<v Speaker 1>really need to go. And you call it, uh like

1264
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.319
<v Speaker 1>people don't believe this, but but but I tell him this.

1265
01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:52.359
<v Speaker 1>If you had came down here, you could as solved me.

1266
01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:56.000
<v Speaker 1>In fact, I'm gonna get somebody finish taller to have

1267
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:58.319
<v Speaker 1>me take a picture of me right now today, and

1268
01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna seen it to you. Okay. You see, when

1269
01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:04.680
<v Speaker 1>we first got on the juice, at least with me

1270
01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:08.640
<v Speaker 1>being a competitor, this what the doctor told me. The

1271
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:13.479
<v Speaker 1>body on it produce what it needs. So if he

1272
01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:17.319
<v Speaker 1>was the mama, you take that first injection or you

1273
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:25.439
<v Speaker 1>pop that first pill. Your testicus are not working. You

1274
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:29.520
<v Speaker 1>shut your system down. Now, the doctor say you can

1275
01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:34.800
<v Speaker 1>only stay on it for one month, six weeks at

1276
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the most. Some guy would push it to eight weeks.

1277
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:43.239
<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing about goal six to eight. Whatever

1278
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:48.039
<v Speaker 1>tam you was on, you have to lay off twice

1279
01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:52.399
<v Speaker 1>the amount of tab that you was on in order

1280
01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:58.760
<v Speaker 1>for your natural system to work properly. Yeah right, it

1281
01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:03.319
<v Speaker 1>call them spare raw. If during the time you are thorough,

1282
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:06.880
<v Speaker 1>you only you only could get it up. You only

1283
01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:10.520
<v Speaker 1>could do what you walk because of the artificial stuff.

1284
01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:14.600
<v Speaker 1>You take it. Now, I would take it one month

1285
01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:21.880
<v Speaker 1>before a power lift in me. I would take and

1286
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:24.199
<v Speaker 1>then I would take and then I would wait six

1287
01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:27.520
<v Speaker 1>See now, after you get off, because a lot of

1288
01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:32.920
<v Speaker 1>people don't know, it stays in your system for a month. Yes,

1289
01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:38.159
<v Speaker 1>after you off. It's like pot. It stays in your system.

1290
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:40.920
<v Speaker 1>You take a month for your system to be clear

1291
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:44.640
<v Speaker 1>of it. So even though you took it for one month,

1292
01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:48.199
<v Speaker 1>actually you've been on the juice for two months. You

1293
01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:51.840
<v Speaker 1>follow me, I do so now that that that's been

1294
01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:54.520
<v Speaker 1>in my system for two months. I have to lay

1295
01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:57.840
<v Speaker 1>off four months before I could do it again.

1296
01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, yeah, because that's what happened.

1297
01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:06.239
<v Speaker 1>He went eight months without stopping. That's what messed him up.

1298
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Eight months long stock the student and when when we

1299
01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:12.720
<v Speaker 1>got off, his natural system was so burnt out he

1300
01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:15.359
<v Speaker 1>couldn't He did develop no more.

1301
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he got a lot smaller.

1302
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:23.399
<v Speaker 1>His test his tests thro level is very low now strong.

1303
01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:26.960
<v Speaker 1>So the body stopped producer test strong started taking it.

1304
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's that's wild. So you think he was able

1305
01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:33.520
<v Speaker 2>to time time his his cycles to where when he

1306
01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:36.680
<v Speaker 2>went to Japan he didn't lose size because he wasn't.

1307
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Exactly he knew that. Yeah, yeah, he hadn't really long time. Yeah,

1308
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:45.479
<v Speaker 1>so the object was on you. You take a cycle

1309
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:50.039
<v Speaker 1>once every six months. That's the safe way of doing it.

1310
01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:54.520
<v Speaker 1>But he probably did a little bit more because of

1311
01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:57.960
<v Speaker 1>his transitioned, you know. But with me, that's how I

1312
01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:00.720
<v Speaker 1>did it. It looks like he got much bigger for

1313
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Rocky three. I did it accordingly to the way the

1314
01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:06.640
<v Speaker 1>doctor told me to do it, and I never had

1315
01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:07.119
<v Speaker 1>a problem.

1316
01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember him getting a lot bigger before Rocky three?

1317
01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Because he's huge in Rocky three, and he's not really

1318
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:13.520
<v Speaker 2>that big in wrestling in the month before that or

1319
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:14.439
<v Speaker 2>two months before that.

1320
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to see that, I realized, TV put another twenty

1321
01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:23.720
<v Speaker 1>pounds on you. So if he three fought it on TV,

1322
01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:28.920
<v Speaker 1>he's three sixty. I remember if you look at the

1323
01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:30.800
<v Speaker 1>movie now, so he's going to all that Matt it

1324
01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:35.279
<v Speaker 1>look bigger in the movie, then what he will looking

1325
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:39.560
<v Speaker 1>in real life? Phoebe all that madded put twenty pounds

1326
01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:40.039
<v Speaker 1>on you.

1327
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:44.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you do you remember Hulk talked about when he

1328
01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:45.960
<v Speaker 2>first got to New York, they put him with Tony

1329
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Altimore so Tony Altimore could show him around and drive

1330
01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:51.000
<v Speaker 2>him around. Do you remember that? What did Tony do

1331
01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:51.479
<v Speaker 2>for Hulk?

1332
01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, see Tron it was what we called you pretty

1333
01:12:55.800 --> 01:13:00.079
<v Speaker 1>much agent that he was an old school agent. What

1334
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Tony main jar was the students out every damn thing

1335
01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:08.520
<v Speaker 1>you do? Oh just five.

1336
01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

1337
01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:13.520
<v Speaker 1>He's help he's helping them, probably probably with this guy.

1338
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:17.960
<v Speaker 1>So because the promoter couldn't travel with you, so they

1339
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:19.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know what you do in the hotel, they don't

1340
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:21.359
<v Speaker 1>know what to do with the balls, they don't do

1341
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:23.520
<v Speaker 1>all the time. They didn't know what you did when

1342
01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:27.880
<v Speaker 1>you was in the arena, but outsident and in the promoter.

1343
01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:32.159
<v Speaker 1>Promoters did not want to invest money into somebody that

1344
01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:36.199
<v Speaker 1>was like, let's say if Hobo was a crackhead. When

1345
01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:37.880
<v Speaker 1>they're not going to put the belt on this guy

1346
01:13:37.960 --> 01:13:39.800
<v Speaker 1>because they said, you know, this guy could freak out,

1347
01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:42.680
<v Speaker 1>that would hurt man dog sean able to help him,

1348
01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:45.239
<v Speaker 1>say helm from him. But they knew he was wild

1349
01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:49.439
<v Speaker 1>and crazy. The same thing with Aidan Adamas. They were

1350
01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:52.840
<v Speaker 1>really not They didn't really do with Adan the dollars

1351
01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:55.920
<v Speaker 1>and aided to beat me in rocket them for the belt,

1352
01:13:57.279 --> 01:13:59.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, but they was always afraid to put the

1353
01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:01.399
<v Speaker 1>belt on a but Adrie O'donalds or one of these

1354
01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:05.239
<v Speaker 1>guys that is just out there. And I asked Gelle Scott,

1355
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I said, George, how come y'all know so much about me?

1356
01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:13.720
<v Speaker 1>He said, who you ride with? Wow? Ill thinker. Yeah.

1357
01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:16.000
<v Speaker 1>They had stoogs to him that he was a student.

1358
01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:19.079
<v Speaker 1>So his dog was to report back to the office

1359
01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:21.000
<v Speaker 1>everything hold and do as.

1360
01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Say, that's fascinating. It makes sense, it really does. And

1361
01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if you remember this, Tony. Shortly after Holk

1362
01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:30.359
<v Speaker 2>got to New York, he got there in November seventy

1363
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:33.359
<v Speaker 2>nine January of eighty, him and the Samoans were driving

1364
01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:36.039
<v Speaker 2>on a highway in New Jersey and got arrested. Holk

1365
01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:38.960
<v Speaker 2>was arrested for a possession of a firearm that he

1366
01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:41.159
<v Speaker 2>hadn't asked me. Yeah, what do you remember about all that?

1367
01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, but that's how I was in New York

1368
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:47.640
<v Speaker 1>if you carry a gun. But he got off. He

1369
01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:49.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't get no child or nothing for her.

1370
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:51.079
<v Speaker 2>He sure did. Yeah, it took a little while. We

1371
01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:52.840
<v Speaker 2>were looking at some of the paperwork. But what do

1372
01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:54.199
<v Speaker 2>you think that was all about? Why did he have

1373
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:54.520
<v Speaker 2>a gun?

1374
01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:58.399
<v Speaker 1>And well, all the wrestlers have guns. A lot of

1375
01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:01.640
<v Speaker 1>guys had none. I see. Yeah here because did I

1376
01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:05.399
<v Speaker 1>realize that we didn't have security back then? And so

1377
01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:09.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, he com into New York City, you know,

1378
01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:12.399
<v Speaker 1>from the guy from from Florida, you know, and you're

1379
01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:15.359
<v Speaker 1>in New York City all all of a sudden, and

1380
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:19.720
<v Speaker 1>you carry a lot of money. True, Yeah, we didn't

1381
01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:23.680
<v Speaker 1>have even guys we have three to five thousand dollars

1382
01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.159
<v Speaker 1>on them. Wow, because we couldn't get to the bank

1383
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:29.119
<v Speaker 1>all the time. And you had a station parer. I

1384
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:33.720
<v Speaker 1>was stationed in uh uh uh in New York. Most

1385
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:39.000
<v Speaker 1>guys stayed in in handon Connecticut, right near Parkford. Uh

1386
01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:43.279
<v Speaker 1>handing Connecticut a motion of rester of state backround live

1387
01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:45.399
<v Speaker 1>in Harper. Some of the guys stayed in Palace of

1388
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:48.720
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey. But anyway, once you leave your house, it

1389
01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:51.439
<v Speaker 1>might be a week or two before you get back

1390
01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:56.079
<v Speaker 1>to where you at. We live in the cars in

1391
01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the hotel, so that we go upstate New York. The

1392
01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:04.920
<v Speaker 1>first trip was Flow, then Syracuse, then Rochester, then Utica,

1393
01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:11.800
<v Speaker 1>then Troll. Then you hit uh uh hot hot I

1394
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:16.880
<v Speaker 1>mean yeah, Hawkers, be Mads and Square Garden. You're down

1395
01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:21.239
<v Speaker 1>in Oldam doing TV. We worked seven days a week,

1396
01:16:21.920 --> 01:16:23.800
<v Speaker 1>so you had to wait till you get back to

1397
01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Connecticut to put your money in the bank. I want

1398
01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:32.239
<v Speaker 1>to catch your check. So a lot of guys care

1399
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:34.920
<v Speaker 1>of guns. Monsoon had to use care of of gun.

1400
01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:37.319
<v Speaker 1>I carried the gun. I had a three ft of

1401
01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:39.720
<v Speaker 1>seamendum there you go, and you were a baby face

1402
01:16:40.039 --> 01:16:41.960
<v Speaker 1>one too. We get we all did, and you were

1403
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:45.640
<v Speaker 1>a baby face attacked if you break up. When we

1404
01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.000
<v Speaker 1>drove it, we didn't flyer to say they were territory,

1405
01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:50.600
<v Speaker 1>so guys drove every way. It wasn't like we slew

1406
01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:52.680
<v Speaker 1>everywhere like we did today. So what do you think

1407
01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:54.520
<v Speaker 1>is gonna happen if you break down on the side

1408
01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:56.800
<v Speaker 1>of one of them old Georgia road because you got

1409
01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:59.479
<v Speaker 1>four thousand dollars on you and no protection.

1410
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you remember this, Tony, but you

1411
01:17:02.359 --> 01:17:05.760
<v Speaker 2>know David Schals, Jesse Ventura. They've said over the years

1412
01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:07.600
<v Speaker 2>that Hulk could be a way to get your hands

1413
01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:09.520
<v Speaker 2>on some some drugs. He could be a connect for

1414
01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:11.720
<v Speaker 2>some of that stuff. Do you remember that about Hulk

1415
01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:12.840
<v Speaker 2>at all? That he was a guy you can go

1416
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:14.439
<v Speaker 2>to see.

1417
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing you gotta realize, there's nowhere on God

1418
01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Green Earth. I'll tell you the real Huck Holgan right

1419
01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:28.399
<v Speaker 1>a Holand gave me a rib. He just got through

1420
01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:32.000
<v Speaker 1>ding TV and Holgan will give me a ribe, he said, Tony,

1421
01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:34.159
<v Speaker 1>rib you can rib me said, I want to talk

1422
01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:36.920
<v Speaker 1>to you. There's it, Holand now from me here with

1423
01:17:37.039 --> 01:17:40.680
<v Speaker 1>friend and he dropped me off at this hotel called

1424
01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the George Washington and with the same hotel where that

1425
01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:50.479
<v Speaker 1>Chluka killed that girl in Allentown, Pennsylvania. And just before

1426
01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I remember room he said, he tested me. Grabb not

1427
01:17:53.079 --> 01:17:56.239
<v Speaker 1>to arm, he said, elizard to the kid, he said,

1428
01:17:56.279 --> 01:18:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the old Tony Atlers I knew, I knew, worked out,

1429
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:05.880
<v Speaker 1>took care of business and did and got high a

1430
01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:09.399
<v Speaker 1>little bit. He said that Tony, as I know now,

1431
01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:13.880
<v Speaker 1>don't work out as much, don't take care of business

1432
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:18.800
<v Speaker 1>and get high too much. He said, I love him

1433
01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:22.079
<v Speaker 1>too much, brother, for you just let that get in

1434
01:18:22.159 --> 01:18:26.159
<v Speaker 1>the way of your career. For me, give me, he said,

1435
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I want my old friend doctor. He said, do that

1436
01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.920
<v Speaker 1>for me. Hogan told me that straight out of his mouth.

1437
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:36.199
<v Speaker 1>I never forgot it. Wow, that'll tell you about Hogan

1438
01:18:36.279 --> 01:18:38.880
<v Speaker 1>and a drug. See this guy was jealous of him.

1439
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:43.119
<v Speaker 1>They cured it better. See a lot of guys like

1440
01:18:43.239 --> 01:18:45.359
<v Speaker 1>David Shooks on him down. They thought they were more

1441
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:49.319
<v Speaker 1>than what they were because old timer told me, never

1442
01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:52.479
<v Speaker 1>believe your proplity. I was there when David Ship got

1443
01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:54.840
<v Speaker 1>slammed to the floor by the police. But then they

1444
01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:58.880
<v Speaker 1>handcuffed him all tied him because he wanted to fight MISCHIEFO.

1445
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:01.760
<v Speaker 1>He were pissed off as the team would fighting Hogan.

1446
01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:04.840
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to be Withholder. How Keen killed my gimmick

1447
01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:07.520
<v Speaker 1>that sable simmer. But he wanted to fight with Hogan.

1448
01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Now they put him with me instead of Hogan. He

1449
01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:13.880
<v Speaker 1>did you formed me of nath.

1450
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Hogan, George Gray, you're talking about yeah, yeah, yeah, they.

1451
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.479
<v Speaker 1>Brought me the Simmer. Me and Hawking was both to

1452
01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:27.079
<v Speaker 1>be doing this big fat building for Ratsimania. So he

1453
01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:28.399
<v Speaker 1>went in off there, I don't want to work with

1454
01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and I will work with Hogan. And the same thing

1455
01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:34.680
<v Speaker 1>with with with which whole him. He wanted to work

1456
01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:37.800
<v Speaker 1>with Holan. He wanted him to shoot I angle with Hogan,

1457
01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:42.079
<v Speaker 1>and they wouldn't let him go near Hogan. So so

1458
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:44.800
<v Speaker 1>you think that that he wasn't over that much. I

1459
01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:48.520
<v Speaker 1>mean he wasn't here no bit. He wasn't have a

1460
01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:51.399
<v Speaker 1>big style of freaking w w F. You know that

1461
01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:55.520
<v Speaker 1>for sure. So so Hulk had. Hulk had no reputation

1462
01:19:55.680 --> 01:20:00.680
<v Speaker 1>as a big drug guy. Not really. I mean if

1463
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:02.399
<v Speaker 1>this guy did it held a lot more thing he

1464
01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:05.000
<v Speaker 1>did what they did with the Holder. You see, if

1465
01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Holger got highed one night, they would build it up.

1466
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:13.439
<v Speaker 2>Are they making a bigger deal than it was compared

1467
01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:14.479
<v Speaker 2>to other wrestlers.

1468
01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Exactly because they was all jealous of hem. They were

1469
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:22.439
<v Speaker 1>jealous he was a young kid making more money than them,

1470
01:20:22.479 --> 01:20:24.800
<v Speaker 1>and move. These guys been been a ten years more

1471
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:27.319
<v Speaker 1>than holder, and they all fled. They should got that

1472
01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:30.800
<v Speaker 1>break knocked him. They say, here are the reason he

1473
01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:35.439
<v Speaker 1>champion because of the movie. Think about it. They were

1474
01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:38.039
<v Speaker 1>not using hope, but they made that movie. And then

1475
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:40.079
<v Speaker 1>it come come to the movie. The first day in

1476
01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:43.800
<v Speaker 1>make him champion. The first day they you know they

1477
01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Anna Marshall went through that freaking dressing room back of

1478
01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the shoes to drop the belt to him. Back I

1479
01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:55.039
<v Speaker 1>said that guy ain't paid his dudes, I mean putting

1480
01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:56.800
<v Speaker 1>the belt on him. He never pay his dues in

1481
01:20:56.880 --> 01:21:01.479
<v Speaker 1>this business. That was all about you. This guy went

1482
01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:04.119
<v Speaker 1>to the top in one day. Bo. Yeah.

1483
01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean the basic story, right is that Hulk said,

1484
01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:08.399
<v Speaker 2>if you're not going to put the belt on me

1485
01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:09.560
<v Speaker 2>day one, then I'm.

1486
01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:11.960
<v Speaker 1>An all the guy will wait around thinking that they

1487
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:14.479
<v Speaker 1>gonna get the belt and then vin bringing me in on.

1488
01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:17.039
<v Speaker 1>They wanted to put the belt on, and the fricking

1489
01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:20.640
<v Speaker 1>dressing room work nuts did they? Oh? They were so

1490
01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:24.840
<v Speaker 1>freaking mad and angry avanced. I thought they won't do

1491
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:26.520
<v Speaker 1>that with me. How come they don't put the belt

1492
01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:28.560
<v Speaker 1>on me? Blah blah blah blah. I'm hear that ship

1493
01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:31.479
<v Speaker 1>all the time. Who you told me that they do

1494
01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:34.079
<v Speaker 1>you try to get me to to to go fuss

1495
01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:36.600
<v Speaker 1>at Vincent? Yeah, Tony, they should putting the belt on you.

1496
01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:38.760
<v Speaker 1>He didn't put the belt on you cause you black,

1497
01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:42.039
<v Speaker 1>get you worked up. Yeah. I tried to get me

1498
01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:44.159
<v Speaker 1>all worked up going off it and then fuss about

1499
01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:46.000
<v Speaker 1>in them something like I said, nor was it they

1500
01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:48.479
<v Speaker 1>put the belt on this? But he was sebout everything

1501
01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:52.079
<v Speaker 1>a minute. Then after he's the most popular rest in

1502
01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:53.720
<v Speaker 1>the world right now because of the movie.

1503
01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Sure, Tony. Who were some wrestlers that were most upset

1504
01:21:57.159 --> 01:21:58.920
<v Speaker 2>that they gave Hulk the belt right away? Who do

1505
01:21:59.000 --> 01:21:59.439
<v Speaker 2>you remember?

1506
01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:03.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, I do not do no, David One. He made

1507
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:07.119
<v Speaker 1>it very very clear because he felt that they screwed

1508
01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:10.680
<v Speaker 1>him anyway, told him to slap that. You guy. He

1509
01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:12.800
<v Speaker 1>was stupid enough, David one.

1510
01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:13.439
<v Speaker 2>Anybody else?

1511
01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was stupid enough for fall front and slapped

1512
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:20.600
<v Speaker 1>that uh yeah, yeah, And then he got patting on

1513
01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the back the day he did it. I remember, Pam

1514
01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:25.560
<v Speaker 1>out a good job, David, protecting the business. You are

1515
01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:28.039
<v Speaker 1>protecting the business, and they were the lawsuit came down

1516
01:22:28.119 --> 01:22:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the ship canter is.

1517
01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:32.159
<v Speaker 2>At that's right. Yeah, that's well documented. Anybody else besides

1518
01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:34.239
<v Speaker 2>David Schultz that was mad that Hulk got the belt

1519
01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:34.840
<v Speaker 2>on the first.

1520
01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Night, whoever was in the territory of that chair.

1521
01:22:39.079 --> 01:22:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay you remember, yeah, you don't remember who was trying

1522
01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:41.760
<v Speaker 2>to get you worked up?

1523
01:22:43.479 --> 01:22:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

1524
01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:46.479
<v Speaker 2>Who of all people? Really?

1525
01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:51.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, he was telling me, you were telling me? Yeah, yeah,

1526
01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:53.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, so they they would have put that bump

1527
01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:56.000
<v Speaker 1>on you if it was him black several now who

1528
01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:59.239
<v Speaker 1>were telling me stuff like that? See, Hold, The main

1529
01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:03.319
<v Speaker 1>thing was just jealousy. They were just trying of jealouship

1530
01:23:03.399 --> 01:23:06.840
<v Speaker 1>of him because he got so much so quick.

1531
01:23:07.319 --> 01:23:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1532
01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he broke in his seventy eight.

1533
01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Well that's interesting because you know, certainly certainly is not

1534
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:20.119
<v Speaker 2>expecting the belt. So maybe he's carrying water for somebody else,

1535
01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:22.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to start ship for somebody else.

1536
01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, all them guys, you know, you know,

1537
01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:29.199
<v Speaker 1>I listen him talking the calls and and stuff like

1538
01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:31.760
<v Speaker 1>that about about Holder. You know why they put the

1539
01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:35.399
<v Speaker 1>book on him, you know. And Holgan was smart. He

1540
01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:38.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't hang with the boys. He was not what to

1541
01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:41.800
<v Speaker 1>call one of the boys. What do you mean he

1542
01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:44.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't have Yeah, well, he didn't go out he didn't

1543
01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:46.520
<v Speaker 1>go out to the club with the boys. He didn't

1544
01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:49.359
<v Speaker 1>go out to Hoba did everything in his room to

1545
01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:52.000
<v Speaker 1>get room service. Yeah, yeah, get rooms. I went to

1546
01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:55.439
<v Speaker 1>your room. He had a hell of us friend he

1547
01:23:55.479 --> 01:23:58.000
<v Speaker 1>would have Yeah, he would have all the cold cuts

1548
01:23:58.079 --> 01:24:01.800
<v Speaker 1>on the table, the crew. Then they have the in

1549
01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:04.119
<v Speaker 1>the bathtub. They would have all the beer and wind

1550
01:24:04.359 --> 01:24:07.119
<v Speaker 1>all ice down in the bathtub and stuff like that.

1551
01:24:07.399 --> 01:24:09.520
<v Speaker 1>He would invite certain guys up. They would have a battle.

1552
01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:12.520
<v Speaker 1>They smoke weed, they have a battle way. The guy

1553
01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:15.159
<v Speaker 1>would go up to hogan room, reparted, but Hogan would

1554
01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:16.720
<v Speaker 1>not go down to the ball or hang out with

1555
01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:17.199
<v Speaker 1>the boy.

1556
01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Now was this after he won the belt or is

1557
01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:22.479
<v Speaker 2>this in eighty one and eighty always like that?

1558
01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Always? Yeah, because he knew to stay away from the wrestler.

1559
01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, makes sense.

1560
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Restlers are not friend they business associating. Holda was smart

1561
01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:40.479
<v Speaker 1>enough to know that every wrestler there's his competition. I

1562
01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:44.000
<v Speaker 1>was a jock. I didn't know that, so I trusted

1563
01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the boy. I try to be one of the boy.

1564
01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Will you try to be one of the boys. The

1565
01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:52.479
<v Speaker 1>boy's going to screw you cause that's what they want

1566
01:24:52.560 --> 01:24:54.520
<v Speaker 1>you around floors and they trip you up.

1567
01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Love it.

1568
01:24:56.960 --> 01:25:01.319
<v Speaker 1>Ogo was never a dumbit. It was always smart. And

1569
01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:04.760
<v Speaker 1>what he did? You take with another quick start? I

1570
01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:07.239
<v Speaker 1>hit more one year for the same year they had

1571
01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:09.359
<v Speaker 1>the super Bowl. I just know where the super Bowl,

1572
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and Vince decided that he's going to run a show

1573
01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:17.520
<v Speaker 1>the same night at the super Bowl. When we get

1574
01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to the building with more more were thirty people there?

1575
01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:23.039
<v Speaker 1>If not, so Vince counseled the show. This is Vince

1576
01:25:23.119 --> 01:25:28.359
<v Speaker 1>Junior not seeing it. He counselor show. So we sat

1577
01:25:28.479 --> 01:25:32.720
<v Speaker 1>there watching the super Bowl and a commercial come on,

1578
01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:38.239
<v Speaker 1>a right Guard commercial, and they're gonna huff Hogan standing

1579
01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:43.520
<v Speaker 1>there painting the picture doing the right Guard commercial. Vince

1580
01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:48.800
<v Speaker 1>dropped his glass, but he was drinking. They said, I offered.

1581
01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:52.199
<v Speaker 1>I tried my best to get a spot and couldn't

1582
01:25:52.239 --> 01:25:57.119
<v Speaker 1>get it. He didn't know Holman did that. I see, wow,

1583
01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Hold up everything, Hold there. Hogo was very very business.

1584
01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Uh what I want to say?

1585
01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Oriented yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's fast. I didn't know

1586
01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:13.119
<v Speaker 2>he didn't know about the right Guard thing.

1587
01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:16.359
<v Speaker 1>No, what about a lot of stuff? A lot of

1588
01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:20.079
<v Speaker 1>stuff Holman got himself. See, Homer started writing his own

1589
01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:22.359
<v Speaker 1>chick because they treated him like ship at the beginning.

1590
01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Then Senior came in one day, the rough we came in,

1591
01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:27.079
<v Speaker 1>told me to say.

1592
01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Do what you want to do with the big dummy,

1593
01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:30.399
<v Speaker 2>the big dummy.

1594
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Wow, to do what you want with the big dummy.

1595
01:26:33.600 --> 01:26:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Why would you call him a dummy?

1596
01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:40.119
<v Speaker 1>They had this thing that Kate had been big and

1597
01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:44.319
<v Speaker 1>smart too. It was just another culture thing of America.

1598
01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I see, okay it was. It wasn't particular yet. So yeah,

1599
01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>even if they had interviews on me, you could hear

1600
01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Greg Brontes, you totally the total. You may have big,

1601
01:26:54.520 --> 01:26:56.880
<v Speaker 1>big muscles everything, but you ain't got no brain.

1602
01:26:57.159 --> 01:26:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I see what you're saying.

1603
01:26:57.920 --> 01:27:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, there was Yeah, that fit in an old American culture.

1604
01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:05.199
<v Speaker 1>You couldn't be big and strong and smart too. That

1605
01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:05.960
<v Speaker 1>git didn't go.

1606
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.239
<v Speaker 2>What did you think about ed Leslie? He was hanging

1607
01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:09.920
<v Speaker 2>around with Hulk in the very beginning. What did you

1608
01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:14.079
<v Speaker 2>think about their relationship? Who ed Leslie future Brutus Beefcake.

1609
01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:18.359
<v Speaker 2>He was hanging with Kulk all the time.

1610
01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I hear different. I was not around them, so I'm

1611
01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:26.039
<v Speaker 1>gonna to speak on them. But for what I hear,

1612
01:27:26.239 --> 01:27:27.239
<v Speaker 1>it didn't turn out.

1613
01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, long term, Yeah, I just feel like when

1614
01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:32.520
<v Speaker 2>he was there in eighty and seventy nine and eighty one.

1615
01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:34.560
<v Speaker 2>At certain points ed Leslie would come up to and

1616
01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and hang around with him because they had worked together

1617
01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:38.720
<v Speaker 2>in Memphis. They knew each other back home in Tampa.

1618
01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Stop to think about this now, when Holden left, what

1619
01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:48.399
<v Speaker 1>happened with them guy's career?

1620
01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well that's right, that's yeah, that's.

1621
01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Why I'm saying it was. See what rastle. There's a

1622
01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of jealous envy. I've found out later about the

1623
01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:02.680
<v Speaker 1>jealous embassy for for George animals Field. I said, George,

1624
01:28:03.119 --> 01:28:05.319
<v Speaker 1>how come we like and get along with each other

1625
01:28:05.479 --> 01:28:08.800
<v Speaker 1>so much? Now? He said, easier kids, No more ego,

1626
01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:15.000
<v Speaker 1>No more ego. See, you can't be a top performer

1627
01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:19.119
<v Speaker 1>if you don't have a big ego. That coming. That's

1628
01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>why you're a big start. You've got a big ego.

1629
01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>So if anybody starting to move ahead of you in

1630
01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:27.159
<v Speaker 1>any kind of way, see wrestlers and our friend their

1631
01:28:27.279 --> 01:28:31.640
<v Speaker 1>business associated. Hear you on that one. So once a

1632
01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:36.600
<v Speaker 1>guy slarted moving up the ladder, then somebody gonna move

1633
01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>down a lot, like Christal pas Walkley told me, because

1634
01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:42.159
<v Speaker 1>they had a limit how many black wrestlers. They could

1635
01:28:42.319 --> 01:28:45.319
<v Speaker 1>that they were having a territory. He said, as soon

1636
01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:48.600
<v Speaker 1>as I walked through the door, he said, he knew

1637
01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:55.399
<v Speaker 1>that he lost his job. He told me that, he said, Trono,

1638
01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:56.720
<v Speaker 1>I see you come to the door. He said, I

1639
01:28:56.800 --> 01:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>knew I lost my job.

1640
01:28:58.119 --> 01:28:58.720
<v Speaker 2>That's too bad.

1641
01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:02.960
<v Speaker 1>If they hold Yeah, the sue Hober hit that door.

1642
01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>So you have to tell me if there's an all

1643
01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:09.079
<v Speaker 1>shoe because if one person's own enough room. A car

1644
01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>tour is like a car. There's only so many seats

1645
01:29:12.680 --> 01:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>in that car. Yeah, and so when one restler come

1646
01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:19.079
<v Speaker 1>into the cartar, they know somebody's leaving.

1647
01:29:20.439 --> 01:29:23.359
<v Speaker 2>We started talking about Georgia. Stan Hansen was there at

1648
01:29:23.359 --> 01:29:25.079
<v Speaker 2>the same time, and then, of course Hulk and Stan

1649
01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:26.800
<v Speaker 2>went on to be a big tag team in Japan.

1650
01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Why do you think Hulk, Covid and Stan Hansen got

1651
01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>along so well?

1652
01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, shee because there was on the same side. There

1653
01:29:35.399 --> 01:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>was on the same side in Japan. In Japan, everybody

1654
01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:45.439
<v Speaker 1>team up to them. You get real close to another country, Yes,

1655
01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:52.600
<v Speaker 1>everybody get real close in Japan because Japan, the American

1656
01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:58.359
<v Speaker 1>is always a heel. There's no babyface America's in Japan,

1657
01:29:58.720 --> 01:29:59.520
<v Speaker 1>right right?

1658
01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:03.399
<v Speaker 2>I had seen that Stan worked with Hulk in Georgia

1659
01:30:03.800 --> 01:30:06.279
<v Speaker 2>at the Omni in Atlanta in seventy nine before they

1660
01:30:06.319 --> 01:30:06.840
<v Speaker 2>went to Japan.

1661
01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Hoba loved Stamp because Stan was like his.

1662
01:30:10.199 --> 01:30:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Protection, his protection.

1663
01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:17.600
<v Speaker 1>How so Stam Hanser was big, rugged and tough that

1664
01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:20.600
<v Speaker 1>could whoop just about anybody. But yeah, that's my soul.

1665
01:30:21.279 --> 01:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Sam was a big throng rugged you know, he was

1666
01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the real deal. Himber, the guy like Harley Ray Street Hansler.

1667
01:30:28.239 --> 01:30:30.239
<v Speaker 1>These guys would beat the hell out of you and

1668
01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>they said whoop just about anybody that drue and broaded.

1669
01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:36.039
<v Speaker 1>You know. They were just big rugged guys. Hogo was

1670
01:30:36.079 --> 01:30:38.439
<v Speaker 1>not a street fighter. These guys were. And so what

1671
01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:40.359
<v Speaker 1>happened was when you go to Japan, you go to

1672
01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:42.199
<v Speaker 1>these countries. I used to hang around to Aaron Sheep

1673
01:30:42.399 --> 01:30:45.039
<v Speaker 1>that was my runner in Darn Morocco. He was my

1674
01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:47.560
<v Speaker 1>running budd. It's in you. You stayed the gun life.

1675
01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:50.199
<v Speaker 1>I want to go destroy get something the Sheik and

1676
01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Morocco would go with me. If Hoga want to go

1677
01:30:52.319 --> 01:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>get something, Stam would go whoop me. So you're getting

1678
01:30:54.640 --> 01:31:00.479
<v Speaker 1>real close where you're in a farm country. Because see

1679
01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:03.800
<v Speaker 1>novel soccer, the guy usually drive the bus and he

1680
01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:09.439
<v Speaker 1>told me one time, he said, I like you, but

1681
01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't like I don't like Americans. I see. I said,

1682
01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>that's what you guys tell me. I got a picture

1683
01:31:15.920 --> 01:31:17.600
<v Speaker 1>of him. The name was Peter. He drove the bus

1684
01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:22.199
<v Speaker 1>and he said, I like you, but I don't like America. Yes,

1685
01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>And I said why not? He said, my father was

1686
01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>one hundred miles away when he dropped the bomb and

1687
01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:32.239
<v Speaker 1>he melt it. He melt it in his shoe.

1688
01:31:32.399 --> 01:31:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh jeez, that'll do it.

1689
01:31:34.479 --> 01:31:36.319
<v Speaker 1>That's what the guy told me. His father melt in

1690
01:31:36.399 --> 01:31:39.479
<v Speaker 1>his shoe. He was one hundred miles away. And I said, well, well,

1691
01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm an America. He said, not to them, you are,

1692
01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I see, because I was black. He didn't consider me

1693
01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>as Paul America. That help what he felt, you know.

1694
01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:54.800
<v Speaker 1>And so when we go over seas, I went to

1695
01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:56.960
<v Speaker 1>break and all these trays said we were bombed. We

1696
01:31:57.520 --> 01:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't let him a bomb, but we had to look

1697
01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:04.439
<v Speaker 1>after each other. When you're in a foreign country, we

1698
01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:08.159
<v Speaker 1>hulk always. But he talked about going to Japan in eighty.

1699
01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:10.439
<v Speaker 1>When he started. He would always say, you know, I

1700
01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>was single back then. He always says single. I know.

1701
01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:14.399
<v Speaker 2>He had a couple of girlfriends out there. Did you

1702
01:32:14.439 --> 01:32:16.840
<v Speaker 2>ever see Hulk kind of living it up in Japan?

1703
01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, I would know Holman being like a one woman man. Okay, yep,

1704
01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the Holder right know, he's always stuck with one uh sure,

1705
01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:33.720
<v Speaker 1>one one woman. He didn't like all the mess of

1706
01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:36.520
<v Speaker 1>the law because I think I think he was homophobe.

1707
01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:40.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm not homophone, but durma jerremophobic.

1708
01:32:40.239 --> 01:32:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, interesting, yeah, yeah yeah yeah your paranoim.

1709
01:32:44.399 --> 01:32:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, he'll he'll burke clean. You know some girls,

1710
01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:51.079
<v Speaker 1>these girls definitely to call him Arina rat. They would

1711
01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>go to your room, Do you go to my room?

1712
01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Do me go to Holer room? They would do two

1713
01:32:57.000 --> 01:33:01.000
<v Speaker 1>or three guys that night without washing. I mean it

1714
01:33:01.079 --> 01:33:03.119
<v Speaker 1>was fun. It was was wild. Back then we come

1715
01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:05.560
<v Speaker 1>to the sex far, so you had to be real Casso.

1716
01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:08.199
<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of guys came back with diseases

1717
01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. The last day Holder wanted to do is

1718
01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>go over there, Casser fucking deserve especially when you overseas.

1719
01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, now, you oversee they don't have

1720
01:33:18.920 --> 01:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>the same stuff that we do. That when I was

1721
01:33:21.800 --> 01:33:24.399
<v Speaker 1>in Africa, the last thing I want to do go

1722
01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>to be one in Africans got it? Got it?

1723
01:33:27.800 --> 01:33:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Did you?

1724
01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>What did you say? You live in a mud hunt?

1725
01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you think I'm going to bed with you washing

1726
01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:41.760
<v Speaker 1>yourself in a foot tub? You think I was no

1727
01:33:42.079 --> 01:33:44.159
<v Speaker 1>dog in the housing? I'm gonna go to bed rick?

1728
01:33:44.239 --> 01:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>You right right? Did I mean you crap? Crept the

1729
01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:52.800
<v Speaker 1>banana tree? You want me to have seck with? Got

1730
01:33:52.840 --> 01:33:54.800
<v Speaker 1>you the banana tree? Though?

1731
01:33:56.960 --> 01:33:59.159
<v Speaker 2>So Tony, when Halt took off in eighty four and

1732
01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:01.920
<v Speaker 2>he got the belt and he it was this worldwide superstar.

1733
01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:04.319
<v Speaker 2>What were your thoughts you worked with him when he

1734
01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:06.720
<v Speaker 2>first came to New York in nineteen eighty and nineteen

1735
01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:08.680
<v Speaker 2>eighty one, What did you think when you saw this

1736
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:10.520
<v Speaker 2>guy become the biggest wrestler ever.

1737
01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:18.079
<v Speaker 1>I loved it, we all all. I hope I'll be

1738
01:34:18.239 --> 01:34:21.319
<v Speaker 1>on the same call as him, of course. Yeah, I

1739
01:34:21.399 --> 01:34:24.159
<v Speaker 1>mean I was on a call with Holgum. I was

1740
01:34:24.239 --> 01:34:30.359
<v Speaker 1>making eight nine thousand dollars a week, incredible money. Yeah,

1741
01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>before I was making twenty five thirty five hundred a week.

1742
01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Did it make sense to you that he could draw

1743
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:38.000
<v Speaker 2>like that considering you know the whole gun he used

1744
01:34:38.039 --> 01:34:38.159
<v Speaker 2>to know?

1745
01:34:39.079 --> 01:34:41.359
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, it was just something about him that

1746
01:34:41.920 --> 01:34:44.760
<v Speaker 1>people just I mean they wanted to see the hunks,

1747
01:34:44.840 --> 01:34:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean Hawk Maleia wrestling business is what it is

1748
01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>now because of two people. Two people haulk Hogan and missed.

1749
01:34:55.640 --> 01:35:00.159
<v Speaker 1>But man, we wouldn't have worked with anybody else. It

1750
01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:04.439
<v Speaker 1>was a perfect It's something that comes around once in

1751
01:35:04.520 --> 01:35:08.079
<v Speaker 1>a while, like a Muhammad al league. I mean, Tryson

1752
01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>came close, but nothing like our league. You know that,

1753
01:35:12.920 --> 01:35:16.359
<v Speaker 1>like Larry Bird, I mean you know these certain guys,

1754
01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:19.760
<v Speaker 1>they just come along maybe once every hundred years. You

1755
01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:22.479
<v Speaker 1>get a guy like that that would have that type

1756
01:35:22.479 --> 01:35:26.359
<v Speaker 1>of ability and to set up to bring that sport

1757
01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>to a top level.

1758
01:35:28.479 --> 01:35:30.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, and so you.

1759
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Know he just he would hit the hit.

1760
01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:36.800
<v Speaker 8>And you know who's the main thing that that the

1761
01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:45.640
<v Speaker 8>Mainhoven Andre No, the.

1762
01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:51.399
<v Speaker 1>Al tootal hamincause Iron Sheik. Yeah, no, he held American

1763
01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:55.159
<v Speaker 1>hostygen I was there when to put the belt on

1764
01:35:55.199 --> 01:36:00.880
<v Speaker 1>the street. You know what then bigger fear was keeping

1765
01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:06.039
<v Speaker 1>him alive. Yeah. The Sheet is the first wrestler to

1766
01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:10.840
<v Speaker 1>have bodyguard, the first wrestle they have body God. They

1767
01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:12.840
<v Speaker 1>had a hard time getting him in out of the arena.

1768
01:36:12.920 --> 01:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>People wanted to kill him. And when Hogan beats him,

1769
01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:20.800
<v Speaker 1>that night, brother, the place has exploded and it and

1770
01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:23.920
<v Speaker 1>they stayed and they stayed at that level for what

1771
01:36:24.199 --> 01:36:31.399
<v Speaker 1>ten years? Twenty years? Almost it exploded. We left. We

1772
01:36:31.520 --> 01:36:35.319
<v Speaker 1>couldn't do TV in doll Intown no more. We had

1773
01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to go to the Silver sum and just to do

1774
01:36:37.159 --> 01:36:38.279
<v Speaker 1>TV for Kipchick.

1775
01:36:38.840 --> 01:36:39.199
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

1776
01:36:39.840 --> 01:36:43.319
<v Speaker 1>We didn't do arenas anymore. We didn't do small vineas anymore.

1777
01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:49.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean everything was was Colosseum, then Simmer the stadiums.

1778
01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:53.680
<v Speaker 1>We had to go to rest Ma had to go

1779
01:36:53.760 --> 01:36:54.520
<v Speaker 1>to the stadium.

1780
01:36:55.319 --> 01:36:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Amazing.

1781
01:36:57.439 --> 01:36:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean the career, what a story that Tony Allison

1782
01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:03.399
<v Speaker 1>a bum went off of something because of this guy.

1783
01:37:03.520 --> 01:37:06.520
<v Speaker 1>You guy was on everything Talk showed the whole world

1784
01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:09.319
<v Speaker 1>was talking about Uncle Mania. Yeah it was.

1785
01:37:09.680 --> 01:37:11.039
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to get there as we go through

1786
01:37:11.079 --> 01:37:13.199
<v Speaker 2>his career. But last question for you, Tony, we asked

1787
01:37:13.239 --> 01:37:15.399
<v Speaker 2>this of everybody, we have one to talk about Hulk.

1788
01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:17.079
<v Speaker 2>What was your reaction when you found out that he

1789
01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:17.760
<v Speaker 2>had passed away?

1790
01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:24.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1791
01:37:27.640 --> 01:37:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Did we lose him? Tony? There I heard a beep.

1792
01:37:33.439 --> 01:37:47.239
<v Speaker 2>He probably killed the cell phone. Maybe he didn't want

1793
01:37:47.239 --> 01:37:47.880
<v Speaker 2>to answer the question.

1794
01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:05.399
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, can you hear me now?

1795
01:38:05.760 --> 01:38:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes we can, Tony I'm very sorry. Did you hear

1796
01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:08.399
<v Speaker 2>my last question?

1797
01:38:08.920 --> 01:38:12.680
<v Speaker 1>See what happened that the sheep? What the first profile

1798
01:38:12.760 --> 01:38:14.439
<v Speaker 1>is selling out there? Bet everybody want to see the

1799
01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:17.760
<v Speaker 1>sheep get beaten, right right? So they did? They are

1800
01:38:19.239 --> 01:38:25.199
<v Speaker 1>uh definitely go back a little bit. It almost not

1801
01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:29.159
<v Speaker 1>has happened because back Onam refused to drop the belt

1802
01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:32.600
<v Speaker 1>to Hogan. What they had to take the belt off

1803
01:38:32.680 --> 01:38:36.720
<v Speaker 1>of off of Backham and show what they did? They

1804
01:38:36.800 --> 01:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>had They put the Aaron Sheek in against Backham to

1805
01:38:40.039 --> 01:38:42.479
<v Speaker 1>get the belt off of back Rum when Bakla did

1806
01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:44.920
<v Speaker 1>not want to do it. So it had never happened

1807
01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:47.479
<v Speaker 1>in wrestling before the card number one gave you know

1808
01:38:47.560 --> 01:38:49.760
<v Speaker 1>how they got the belt off of Backrum through the

1809
01:38:49.840 --> 01:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>towel end without telling Bobby each Why didn't Bob want

1810
01:38:53.880 --> 01:38:57.600
<v Speaker 1>to lose the belt to Hult Here he paid his due?

1811
01:38:57.880 --> 01:38:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh, for God's sake, he wrestled with him the nineteen

1812
01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:01.000
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred times.

1813
01:39:02.560 --> 01:39:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Got just how. That's how the old towners learn, That's

1814
01:39:06.439 --> 01:39:10.439
<v Speaker 1>just how they were. See, I did not like losing

1815
01:39:10.520 --> 01:39:13.359
<v Speaker 1>to anybody that can beat me in real life. Okay,

1816
01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:17.520
<v Speaker 1>that's how we were. But we had this idea that

1817
01:39:17.680 --> 01:39:19.399
<v Speaker 1>I put you over in the rain and you go

1818
01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:21.479
<v Speaker 1>out to the local bar and the local bouncer beat

1819
01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:23.880
<v Speaker 1>you butt. That hurts me because I just put you over,

1820
01:39:24.039 --> 01:39:27.359
<v Speaker 1>got it? See Hallow Race. I put Hallow Race over

1821
01:39:27.439 --> 01:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>all day long. But when some of guys like holding them,

1822
01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:34.319
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't shoot. They were not shooter. And most of

1823
01:39:34.359 --> 01:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the wrestled backs and old they will shooter. They was wrestler,

1824
01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:42.399
<v Speaker 1>they were not. They were all tough guy. They going

1825
01:39:42.439 --> 01:39:45.520
<v Speaker 1>to ball. Terry Funk got his reputation him and hollow

1826
01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Race got from the rain the ball fights, bar fights, Yep,

1827
01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>that's right. They going to bar. They cleared the front

1828
01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the ball, you know, one guy and run everybody out

1829
01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:58.840
<v Speaker 1>the bar. Hallow beat up everybody in the bar. And

1830
01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:01.560
<v Speaker 1>then the next days in the newspapers and the building,

1831
01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:04.319
<v Speaker 1>this show up. That's how Rafter would say, Oh tistic

1832
01:40:04.399 --> 01:40:07.840
<v Speaker 1>by getting invalled, fight, getting up people. Yeah, that's how

1833
01:40:07.920 --> 01:40:11.079
<v Speaker 1>they did it. Fulka did that. He'd never proved of

1834
01:40:11.159 --> 01:40:12.239
<v Speaker 1>him that he was a tough guy.

1835
01:40:12.439 --> 01:40:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Hulked up in real life. Yeah, well I should ask you, Tony.

1836
01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:18.439
<v Speaker 2>You know, because Lufrignan came out an incredible hulk in

1837
01:40:18.520 --> 01:40:21.560
<v Speaker 2>seventy nine, and that hulk comes along Terry gets involved

1838
01:40:21.560 --> 01:40:23.279
<v Speaker 2>in the business and they basically make him, you know,

1839
01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:25.319
<v Speaker 2>the Incredible Hulk. And then I noticed a lot of

1840
01:40:25.359 --> 01:40:27.319
<v Speaker 2>your comebacks were kind of like Incredible Hulk. Did you

1841
01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:29.800
<v Speaker 2>did you pattern anything you did in the ring after

1842
01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:33.760
<v Speaker 2>the loof Forigno stuff? No, there it is, okay.

1843
01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:38.199
<v Speaker 1>I wrested by instinct. You see. The old time they

1844
01:40:38.279 --> 01:40:41.399
<v Speaker 1>did that. We didn't comp anybody else for what we

1845
01:40:41.479 --> 01:40:44.399
<v Speaker 1>would do. We would try and move in the ring

1846
01:40:45.399 --> 01:40:49.279
<v Speaker 1>and if if the people buy, we keep doing it. Well,

1847
01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:51.119
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you something that I did that hold him

1848
01:40:51.319 --> 01:40:55.039
<v Speaker 1>got from me. That putting the hand up to the ear.

1849
01:40:55.279 --> 01:40:57.920
<v Speaker 1>That another one, Yet he got that from me. And

1850
01:40:57.960 --> 01:41:02.279
<v Speaker 1>guess where I got it from? Where Dusty Road? I

1851
01:41:02.359 --> 01:41:04.239
<v Speaker 1>saw dust due in the in the in the armory

1852
01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:06.399
<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta, so I did it. I went to New York,

1853
01:41:06.640 --> 01:41:11.359
<v Speaker 1>but Dusty got it from from the boat Politan. But

1854
01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>there was territory. There was no cable, so I could

1855
01:41:13.920 --> 01:41:17.039
<v Speaker 1>do something in Georgia, and people in New York didn't.

1856
01:41:16.800 --> 01:41:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Say it right unless they had cable.

1857
01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:23.039
<v Speaker 1>But now you do something in order to see it

1858
01:41:23.119 --> 01:41:28.760
<v Speaker 1>in Japan. So we so most stuff that we did

1859
01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:33.159
<v Speaker 1>we saw like sputt the Monroe. Damn Raine cadillact man.

1860
01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Def where Rick Flaird got that from spud the Monroe.

1861
01:41:37.920 --> 01:41:40.680
<v Speaker 1>They were the first dam Raine cadillact man. It wasn't

1862
01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:42.319
<v Speaker 1>it was sput the Monroe.

1863
01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Love it origins origins, We love it Tony Well.

1864
01:41:48.319 --> 01:41:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Nobody knew about sputting because he small territories. He never

1865
01:41:52.159 --> 01:41:57.000
<v Speaker 1>made it like Mulla Muda was what it was. They

1866
01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:58.760
<v Speaker 1>call her slave girl.

1867
01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, slave Girlmla when she started yeah, the.

1868
01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Famine mo and then she started off which she was

1869
01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:09.039
<v Speaker 1>his manager and spent in my role manager. But you

1870
01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:10.560
<v Speaker 1>could do stuff in different.

1871
01:42:10.359 --> 01:42:13.560
<v Speaker 9>Territory like we'd hope of the hope of the dud

1872
01:42:14.359 --> 01:42:20.600
<v Speaker 9>an interview in uh, North Carolina could call me a

1873
01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:24.279
<v Speaker 9>brown monket, but that interview.

1874
01:42:24.119 --> 01:42:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Would not fly in New York.

1875
01:42:25.880 --> 01:42:26.960
<v Speaker 2>In New York, right, that's it?

1876
01:42:28.159 --> 01:42:28.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1877
01:42:28.800 --> 01:42:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what what was What was your thoughts when he

1878
01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:33.359
<v Speaker 2>left in eighty one? What do you remember about him

1879
01:42:33.439 --> 01:42:34.279
<v Speaker 2>leaving the territory?

1880
01:42:35.399 --> 01:42:40.000
<v Speaker 1>You mean we went winter arn? Yeah, you talk about

1881
01:42:40.039 --> 01:42:40.479
<v Speaker 1>hold them.

1882
01:42:40.439 --> 01:42:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, Hogan? Yeah, yeah, when he left because you were

1883
01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:44.760
<v Speaker 2>his last opponent in New York in that run, you

1884
01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:46.720
<v Speaker 2>he beat you beat him twice in the garden.

1885
01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:49.760
<v Speaker 1>You beat him in the spectrum, and we were kind

1886
01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:52.760
<v Speaker 1>of disappointed because I was hoping to work with him,

1887
01:42:53.079 --> 01:42:55.399
<v Speaker 1>like I told, but Tom and Rich try to get

1888
01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:58.039
<v Speaker 1>him to uh to do hang with me and Hope

1889
01:42:58.039 --> 01:43:00.880
<v Speaker 1>and then only just wouldn't go for her. Yeah, we

1890
01:43:00.960 --> 01:43:03.560
<v Speaker 1>were nobody, Yeah, we were. We were disappointed because we

1891
01:43:03.640 --> 01:43:05.159
<v Speaker 1>figured we could have made some money with him.

1892
01:43:06.520 --> 01:43:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember when he left Vince the first time,

1893
01:43:08.640 --> 01:43:11.279
<v Speaker 2>Vince Senior being thinking you'd never see him again.

1894
01:43:11.239 --> 01:43:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Or that's what we all thought. I mean you would

1895
01:43:14.760 --> 01:43:19.840
<v Speaker 1>until he made that movie. Yeah, nobody really be armed

1896
01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:21.399
<v Speaker 1>with that paid him in an attention.

1897
01:43:21.800 --> 01:43:22.279
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

1898
01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:27.399
<v Speaker 1>He was not a wrestler. He was not that good

1899
01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:34.800
<v Speaker 1>as a wrastler. He didn't do wrestling. Move think about

1900
01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:35.600
<v Speaker 1>him wrestling.

1901
01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm doing it right now.

1902
01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Everything standing up, Everything is standing up. Nothing on the mat,

1903
01:43:45.119 --> 01:43:49.479
<v Speaker 1>very little, very little. That's what the rest these guys was.

1904
01:43:50.920 --> 01:43:54.239
<v Speaker 1>They look at things from a wrestler point of view only.

1905
01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:58.199
<v Speaker 1>And that's why Vince Senior never US holder because Bob

1906
01:43:58.279 --> 01:43:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Backman was a rastler.

1907
01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, big contrast.

1908
01:44:01.880 --> 01:44:05.960
<v Speaker 1>But the world changed and the wrestling board the crap

1909
01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:11.640
<v Speaker 1>out of the fan. They were getting bored with. Let

1910
01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:15.239
<v Speaker 1>me and Kim Boteroll, for example, we raise a whole match,

1911
01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:19.760
<v Speaker 1>and that's what we did, the whole match ahead lock.

1912
01:44:21.520 --> 01:44:25.279
<v Speaker 1>The people are bought in there. I mean we used

1913
01:44:25.279 --> 01:44:27.359
<v Speaker 1>to get a hope and the job, and then you

1914
01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:30.640
<v Speaker 1>could work a hope for ten to fifteen minutes. Yeah,

1915
01:44:32.079 --> 01:44:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the by hub, he fight to get out of the

1916
01:44:33.680 --> 01:44:36.439
<v Speaker 1>bay hud, the guy lift mom or drop off lift

1917
01:44:36.520 --> 01:44:38.800
<v Speaker 1>moarm drop off fat. I hit him, I hit him

1918
01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:40.399
<v Speaker 1>my head, but I get out of the bay hub

1919
01:44:40.720 --> 01:44:42.439
<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden, I'll go over to

1920
01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:44.000
<v Speaker 1>get him. He raked mind took me back to the

1921
01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:52.399
<v Speaker 1>bay Hood. People got bored with old the old school

1922
01:44:52.640 --> 01:44:57.279
<v Speaker 1>wrestling because it was a different generation of people. See

1923
01:44:57.319 --> 01:45:00.640
<v Speaker 1>the guys that trained me, they came out of the sixties,

1924
01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:04.720
<v Speaker 1>the fifties and sixties. Yes, the guy that taught me

1925
01:45:05.560 --> 01:45:10.760
<v Speaker 1>so my Motalitian was wrestling in the sixties and the

1926
01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:14.840
<v Speaker 1>fifties and sixties. Now I met Johnny Weaver. He was

1927
01:45:14.880 --> 01:45:20.760
<v Speaker 1>in his forties, he'd been wrestling for twenty years. You know,

1928
01:45:20.880 --> 01:45:24.720
<v Speaker 1>claud Might, Bill Jack Mulligam. Them guys started in the sixties.

1929
01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Totally different mentality, right.

1930
01:45:27.680 --> 01:45:32.159
<v Speaker 1>So Rake Flower came along in the seventies. Old in

1931
01:45:32.279 --> 01:45:37.119
<v Speaker 1>reality didn't come along to the eighties. He saw it

1932
01:45:37.199 --> 01:45:40.720
<v Speaker 1>in the late seventies, and it was almost the eighties

1933
01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:42.800
<v Speaker 1>was coming along and the whole came into business. For sure,

1934
01:45:43.079 --> 01:45:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I saw it. I started in the seventies, So the

1935
01:45:47.239 --> 01:45:50.920
<v Speaker 1>motality of the building was totally totally different than the

1936
01:45:51.039 --> 01:45:55.319
<v Speaker 1>eighties and definitely than nineties. About nineteen ninety, guess what

1937
01:45:55.520 --> 01:45:57.079
<v Speaker 1>the fans didn't like? No more.

1938
01:45:58.399 --> 01:46:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Wrestling? Oh no Hulkgan, Mike Tyson, No, no Steve Austin,

1939
01:46:07.399 --> 01:46:11.319
<v Speaker 2>the good guy ah oh chure speaking of Steve, Yeah,

1940
01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:13.119
<v Speaker 2>the anti hero, Adam true Earl.

1941
01:46:13.279 --> 01:46:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Nobody liked the good guys in the good Guy was born.

1942
01:46:16.960 --> 01:46:19.800
<v Speaker 1>They didn't like him. They called ball back with how

1943
01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:22.239
<v Speaker 1>do the duty? How the duty? Why do you back?

1944
01:46:22.319 --> 01:46:24.399
<v Speaker 1>Home of turned heel w w c's w.

1945
01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well we all saw that play out. Absolutely we're gonna.

1946
01:46:27.479 --> 01:46:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Get there, the home of Repino being a business man

1947
01:46:31.000 --> 01:46:34.640
<v Speaker 1>that people did not like good guys in the boat.

1948
01:46:34.840 --> 01:46:37.199
<v Speaker 1>So what if everybody became a bad guy, it just

1949
01:46:37.399 --> 01:46:39.560
<v Speaker 1>worse and worse, worse and worse.

1950
01:46:40.119 --> 01:46:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's had a great tour through the history of

1951
01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:43.760
<v Speaker 2>the business, Tony, we got a lot more than we

1952
01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:45.880
<v Speaker 2>bargained for I want to ask you one final question.

1953
01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:47.800
<v Speaker 2>It was the one I asked when we lost our

1954
01:46:47.840 --> 01:46:51.119
<v Speaker 2>phone connection there. What was your reaction when you heard

1955
01:46:51.159 --> 01:46:52.399
<v Speaker 2>that Hulk Cogan had passed away?

1956
01:46:53.439 --> 01:46:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I cried, Oh did you really well? See? I just oh,

1957
01:47:01.239 --> 01:47:04.880
<v Speaker 1>I just drew a picture of him. So he got baptized,

1958
01:47:05.960 --> 01:47:09.079
<v Speaker 1>and I mailed a picture to him, and then I

1959
01:47:09.399 --> 01:47:11.840
<v Speaker 1>sent him some coffee. I asked him when he signed

1960
01:47:11.840 --> 01:47:16.159
<v Speaker 1>the coppage for me, and he signed the coffee, and

1961
01:47:16.359 --> 01:47:18.840
<v Speaker 1>uh saw him back Timmy and me and him we

1962
01:47:19.039 --> 01:47:22.840
<v Speaker 1>talked and then he thanked me for the what I

1963
01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:26.159
<v Speaker 1>said about him about his daughter. That he's trying to

1964
01:47:26.199 --> 01:47:29.079
<v Speaker 1>protect his daughter because the guy Oga knew, the guy

1965
01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:31.920
<v Speaker 1>who would try to use his daughter to get close

1966
01:47:31.960 --> 01:47:35.079
<v Speaker 1>to him. Once he found out, once he found out

1967
01:47:35.159 --> 01:47:39.000
<v Speaker 1>that that uh that uh, he couldn't get close to Oga,

1968
01:47:39.479 --> 01:47:42.199
<v Speaker 1>he dropped that woman like a bad habit. He's not

1969
01:47:42.319 --> 01:47:45.680
<v Speaker 1>with her now, the black guy, he's not with her now,

1970
01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:50.119
<v Speaker 1>right right, correct, exactly because and and Rastler knew that

1971
01:47:50.199 --> 01:47:52.079
<v Speaker 1>a lot of guy would try to be with your daughter,

1972
01:47:52.600 --> 01:47:56.279
<v Speaker 1>get with you because he's famous and witch, you know,

1973
01:47:56.520 --> 01:47:59.359
<v Speaker 1>so he saidured that he did. He's gonta Tragnan and

1974
01:47:59.439 --> 01:48:01.800
<v Speaker 1>once he gets a friend him, but he's set hober

1975
01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:04.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna take care of him for that woman. And what

1976
01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:09.439
<v Speaker 1>he was thinking, Yeah, Holga been around the block. Ober

1977
01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:15.039
<v Speaker 1>knew a bad guy for his daughter. Goodness. Yeah, had

1978
01:48:15.119 --> 01:48:17.640
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with his nationality because me and Hogan

1979
01:48:17.720 --> 01:48:21.399
<v Speaker 1>we talked, there's black people and then there's niggas. Okay,

1980
01:48:21.640 --> 01:48:23.600
<v Speaker 1>so Hogan that would he was not a black.

1981
01:48:23.439 --> 01:48:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Man, Okay.

1982
01:48:25.680 --> 01:48:27.479
<v Speaker 1>He was one of these guy that tryed to spunge

1983
01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:29.960
<v Speaker 1>off of Coogan and Holger knew that if it was

1984
01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:31.640
<v Speaker 1>the white guy, Homer had a name for him to

1985
01:48:31.680 --> 01:48:37.640
<v Speaker 1>do that too, not doing had not do it his

1986
01:48:37.760 --> 01:48:39.880
<v Speaker 1>for his your sir, and the way Hoga felt that

1987
01:48:39.960 --> 01:48:41.680
<v Speaker 1>this guy was not the best guy for his dog,

1988
01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:44.359
<v Speaker 1>for his daughter. He had angered him, then his daughter

1989
01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:45.439
<v Speaker 1>would not listen to him.

1990
01:48:46.039 --> 01:48:51.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this comes up in the context of him passing away.

1991
01:48:51.159 --> 01:48:54.760
<v Speaker 1>How Yeah, well, he's thank me for for standing up

1992
01:48:54.800 --> 01:48:58.720
<v Speaker 1>for this was three weeks before he died. I talked

1993
01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to him three before he died. Wow, but you always

1994
01:49:02.039 --> 01:49:04.640
<v Speaker 1>called me call me after I need anything. He got

1995
01:49:04.720 --> 01:49:06.479
<v Speaker 1>mad at me where I was homeless because I didn't

1996
01:49:06.520 --> 01:49:09.800
<v Speaker 1>call him. Yeah, I said, hold on, I didn't have

1997
01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:12.760
<v Speaker 1>no fall I was doing. He said, brother, if you

1998
01:49:12.840 --> 01:49:14.960
<v Speaker 1>other need something, you should have called me brother. He

1999
01:49:15.039 --> 01:49:17.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't call me brother. He said, I'm so kissed at

2000
01:49:17.720 --> 01:49:19.560
<v Speaker 1>you for not calling me. He said, when I hear

2001
01:49:19.640 --> 01:49:25.680
<v Speaker 1>that about my brother. Another time, I was in uh, Florida,

2002
01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and I went into the hold doing all of thatps

2003
01:49:28.640 --> 01:49:30.680
<v Speaker 1>and I went in and said hi to him, and

2004
01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:33.119
<v Speaker 1>one guy say hey, I got lucky. He said. I

2005
01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:36.119
<v Speaker 1>came here hoping I see one legend. I end up

2006
01:49:36.159 --> 01:49:39.079
<v Speaker 1>seeing two over you and Tony ad He said, Brother,

2007
01:49:39.159 --> 01:49:42.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't see Tony Adlers as a legend. I see

2008
01:49:42.279 --> 01:49:47.520
<v Speaker 1>him as my friend. Say so, I see holding as

2009
01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:49.239
<v Speaker 1>my friend. So I can see why you.

2010
01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:52.479
<v Speaker 2>Hear about.

2011
01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>We started to gotta mean Tommy Rich. You know, we

2012
01:49:57.039 --> 01:50:01.079
<v Speaker 1>were like it was like a family. And Huldan always

2013
01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:04.039
<v Speaker 1>looked after me. He never did me wrong, number talk

2014
01:50:04.199 --> 01:50:06.840
<v Speaker 1>bad to me. We would talk about anything, and if

2015
01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:08.720
<v Speaker 1>I got in trouble, he would pull me over the side,

2016
01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:12.039
<v Speaker 1>said brother, let me tell you this, do that that,

2017
01:50:12.720 --> 01:50:15.680
<v Speaker 1>and and people say he's racing. He put his life,

2018
01:50:15.840 --> 01:50:19.359
<v Speaker 1>his career on the land for Coco. B were Coco

2019
01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:23.640
<v Speaker 1>beat up an agent. There's fire co Cooke Holgo went

2020
01:50:23.680 --> 01:50:27.800
<v Speaker 1>to the office. He said, if if Coke Coo B

2021
01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:33.760
<v Speaker 1>were a lead, I'm leaving true Coco is a black man,

2022
01:50:34.159 --> 01:50:36.119
<v Speaker 1>sure is? You know what I'm saying.

2023
01:50:36.239 --> 01:50:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we talked to him. I don't remember mentioning this,

2024
01:50:37.840 --> 01:50:39.359
<v Speaker 2>but that's wild. What what agent was it?

2025
01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Uh? He was he used to be a hockey player

2026
01:50:45.239 --> 01:50:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy staud I thought Jim Troy story. Okay, yeah that

2027
01:50:48.159 --> 01:50:50.840
<v Speaker 1>he was kind of a Jim Yeah, something like that.

2028
01:50:50.920 --> 01:50:51.720
<v Speaker 1>You can play hockey.

2029
01:50:51.880 --> 01:50:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a TV executive for Vince Yeah.

2030
01:50:54.640 --> 01:50:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But see, it didn't start with him and started

2031
01:50:56.960 --> 01:51:01.399
<v Speaker 1>with Sean Michaels. Right. Yeahko went over to break it up,

2032
01:51:02.720 --> 01:51:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and he turned on Coco. See, Coco was not involved

2033
01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:09.399
<v Speaker 1>in the fighting. It was sewn Michael. Sewn. Michael couldn't

2034
01:51:09.399 --> 01:51:12.079
<v Speaker 1>walk away up a wet paper bag. So so so

2035
01:51:13.840 --> 01:51:16.319
<v Speaker 1>so the bar tend to go over around. The boss say, hey,

2036
01:51:16.399 --> 01:51:18.159
<v Speaker 1>these guys getting ready to fight, and you go there

2037
01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:21.079
<v Speaker 1>and break it up. So Coco went over to break

2038
01:51:21.199 --> 01:51:24.680
<v Speaker 1>up the fight ended up in the fight. See see.

2039
01:51:26.359 --> 01:51:30.279
<v Speaker 1>But but but then Hopah stood up for him. He

2040
01:51:30.359 --> 01:51:34.560
<v Speaker 1>stood up for me too. Wow. Yep. When I came back,

2041
01:51:35.239 --> 01:51:38.199
<v Speaker 1>if they wanted to fire me minute, he said, he said,

2042
01:51:38.319 --> 01:51:41.479
<v Speaker 1>let me talk to Tony. Hey came and talked. They

2043
01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:44.520
<v Speaker 1>told me that story that I just told you about

2044
01:51:44.760 --> 01:51:47.479
<v Speaker 1>the old Tony Adams and a new tone happen and

2045
01:51:47.560 --> 01:51:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Mans wanted to let me go then, and hope he

2046
01:51:49.920 --> 01:51:50.640
<v Speaker 1>talked him out of it.

2047
01:51:52.359 --> 01:51:54.159
<v Speaker 2>So those are the things you think about when when

2048
01:51:54.199 --> 01:51:55.159
<v Speaker 2>he won.

2049
01:51:56.119 --> 01:51:57.840
<v Speaker 1>For a lot of people, well, Holo was the type

2050
01:51:57.840 --> 01:51:59.560
<v Speaker 1>of guy he would do something, but not go around

2051
01:51:59.600 --> 01:52:02.760
<v Speaker 1>bragging a body. Yeah, so he did a lot that

2052
01:52:02.840 --> 01:52:05.319
<v Speaker 1>people didn't know because he kept it on the rack.

2053
01:52:06.800 --> 01:52:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Very very interesting stuff. Tony, thank you so much for

2054
01:52:08.960 --> 01:52:12.039
<v Speaker 2>taking us into your memories of Hulk, working with him,

2055
01:52:12.079 --> 01:52:14.359
<v Speaker 2>knowing him so personally. I didn't appreciate how close you

2056
01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:14.880
<v Speaker 2>were with him.

2057
01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:20.479
<v Speaker 1>And we've put down Holger. Put this down for Holger,

2058
01:52:20.840 --> 01:52:26.119
<v Speaker 1>for this is the real Hobo. Hobo neil for God,

2059
01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:33.319
<v Speaker 1>stand for the flag. His belief is God country and Seth.

2060
01:52:35.199 --> 01:52:41.039
<v Speaker 1>So if the three were Deshrine is God country and.

2061
01:52:41.199 --> 01:52:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Seth sounds like an American Fourth of July to me,

2062
01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, mister USA. Tony at Well, that was him.

2063
01:52:48.119 --> 01:52:53.600
<v Speaker 1>That's all that I knew for what fifty years, I've

2064
01:52:53.640 --> 01:52:55.239
<v Speaker 1>never seen anything differently what I told you.

2065
01:52:57.760 --> 01:53:00.199
<v Speaker 2>We can salute that mister USA, Tony at let's kind

2066
01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:02.399
<v Speaker 2>enough to join us to reflect on Hulk Hogan. Thank

2067
01:53:02.399 --> 01:53:02.840
<v Speaker 2>you so much.

2068
01:53:02.920 --> 01:53:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Shameel Copper that paper when you're writer.

2069
01:53:05.279 --> 01:53:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Now, Oh, it's gonna be it's gonna be an audio podcast, Tony,

2070
01:53:08.640 --> 01:53:09.840
<v Speaker 2>so you can listen to the whole thing.

2071
01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, well you gotta tell me how to hear that.

2072
01:53:14.039 --> 01:53:17.079
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, well we'll try to get you the link.

2073
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<v Speaker 2>So you just tap it on your phone and you

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<v Speaker 2>should be able to start hearing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm gonna have my buttons to say to take

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of me so you can see what I

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<v Speaker 1>look like.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know I'm a black guy, right, Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>came That came up a couple of times. I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm more surprised you with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you all the best to you, Tony. Take care, thanks, Tony.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, please a production on the Lab Entertainment Group.

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