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Speaker 1: It's The Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast special report. The Lapsed

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Fan presents the Complete hull Coogan, a real American story

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brought to you by Garage Beer.

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Speaker 2: Well, another Independence Day here in the United States of

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America is upon us, boss, is it not?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, it is to celebrate America two hundred and

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fifty times.

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Speaker 2: If you had two hundred and fifty times, and as

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if that hasn't been beaten over, folks had enough. That

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is what's special about twenty twenty six. And for us,

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if we're in the midst, if we're in the thick

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like we are of the Complete hul Cogan, can there

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be a more real American? It's so true. It prompted

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some reflection, some pause. It prompted us, I don't know

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this fourth to crack open a can of garage beer. Fuck. Yes,

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the most American of beers on this most American of holidays.

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Think about how we've enjoyed independence in twelve years of

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podcast dominance and forcing folks to collect our crumbs, be

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they you know, red, white, and blue cake. It could

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be yeah, it could be number of crumbs, but we

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thought it highly appropriate, highly appropriate, as we not only

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exit Hulk's initial run in New York from nineteen seventy

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nine to nineteen eighty one, where we started to see

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maybe some of the very first indications that he might

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have something in him that might equate to an American hero.

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And instead of just a preening and super hulking muscular

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BRAWNI heel that we'd also seek out the most American

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of voices from this point in Hulk's career. How about

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a legit mister Usa himself. We go and Hulk's final

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New York opponent in the seventy nine to eighty one run, Tony.

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So we're really excited to have connected with mister Ratless

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as part of the complete Hulk Cogan to get his

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reflections on sharing the ring with Hulk at this very

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fertile time for him, and in fact is you'll come

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to hear from the WWF and it's a it's a

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uniquely Tony Aatless experience. I would say, Indeed, he's clanging

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and banging, and we wanted to make this sort of

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a special Fourth of July treat for everybody, bringing mister

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Usa on talking about the most American of icons in

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Hulk Cogan and if we're going to do that. We

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thought it made sense to look ahead, just to peek

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kind of like we are looking ahead to the Summer

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of Lapsed. I mean, oh yes, let's be serious about

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how how real this is getting. I mean we're basically

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leaving at the end of the month.

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Speaker 3: I mean we basically we are. I mean that's it.

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I mean, you know, this is kind of it that

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it begins. It begins at the end of this month

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and it doesn't let up until until pretty much the fall.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely so not just having Tony Atlas on the

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year waves. It's not just thinking about Hulk Coogan. It's

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not just about the two hundred and fifteth University of

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the United States. It's also about the Summer of Lapsed

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and not only hitting that most America of spots America.

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Speaker 3: Can I tell you something like exactly? You know what

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was funny is that I it's pathetic in a way,

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but you know, at the end of last year, in

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the beginning of this year, there were all these signs

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for two fifty. They're all talking about two fifty, and

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I was like, what fun are they talking about? I

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know they didn't make it fifty? What like I don't

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understand two fifty what are they talking about? And I

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was like, it's like it's it's an anniversary. It's like,

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oh shit, yes, no, like it didn't even dawn on me.

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Speaker 2: I fifty is hardly a superstar weight.

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Speaker 1: Exactly right.

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Speaker 3: You wait for the big three hundred, you know, maybe

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hopefully we'll celebrate the three hundred and third. I think

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we will. We should anyway.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's like I said, been everywhere, But this

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is our little contribution and to what that is all meant.

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As we continue marching, we're about to enter a whole

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new chapter for hul Cochin. I mean, needless to say,

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some serious change is about to come to his presentation,

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but where he fits in the world, how he moves

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in the world. So we consider this yere interview with

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Tony Atlas kind of one last nod to the the

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Hogan that people still might call green, you know, the

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whole that still doesn't feel fully formed in some vital

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ways in terms of what he became. And so Tony's

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going to take us through all of that, and we're

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very excited about that. But as I said, America's mall

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SummerSlam weekend and then we go to you know, we

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got enemy territory exactly. You know, we go, we go

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where where you know we go to.

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Speaker 1: We go to the home.

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Speaker 2: Of of where we were vaulted. Because I mean, let's

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let's be clear. Even if Vern broke you into the

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A W A in the seventies when he was the

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promotional kingpin in the Twin Cities, who did he send

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you to get two to get broken? In the most

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English of shooters, Billy Roys Robinson brother. So we're bridging

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that Minneapolis London gap in our own very special way.

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Coming up, of course, August twenty eighth at the Dome

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in North London, the co Chairs take the stage for

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our very first, perhaps a very last live show in London.

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Tickets still available if you want to join us. Without

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further ado, let's pull ahead an article that appeared in

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Pro Wrestling Illustrated in August of nineteen eighty one. So

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that'll tell you how much of a lag the publication was,

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because we just finished talking about fucking funny how Hogan

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and Tony were wrestling in the spring. But not until

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late summer do the readers of p WI get a

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Speaker 3: Well hold on though hold on, don't forget though, it's

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not really late summer. Yes, this probably would have come

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out in June. Okay, that's a fair turnaround time. It

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just says August on the time. It's always hard because

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you never know, like these things are always you know,

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it's always it's such a I hate that, really, and

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I always said it a bunch of times. I hate

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that the magazines don't actually come out or the actual

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month isn't the actual month that they come out, and

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it's this weird you know, we've got to be ahead

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of the game. So it's almost like it's like car

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dealerships like, oh, you know, it's like, well, we got

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the twenty twenty seven model, Well, how do you have

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the twenty twenty seven model in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's that the twenty twenty six model exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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reflect the date it came out, but the coverage in

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the magazine is two months before even that. Yep. So

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it's like, yeah, came out in June, and all the

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articles are about what was happening in April. And we

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ran into this earlier on the complete where we thought

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we had dispensed with the Sterling Golden run as truncated

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as it was in Georgia Championship Wrestling, and moved on

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at WWF and him being Chris and Hulkogan, and then

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all of a sudden, one of the after mag drops

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the big probing article on Sterling Golden and he isn't

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even on television as that anymore. Yeah, by the time

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it comes out. So we've been moving perhaps faster than

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the speed of the wrestling media and the wrestling business,

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and we're about to find that out. Sounds about right.

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But here we're gonna pull this one forward from the

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pages of p w I to set the table for

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our interview with Tony Atlas and a reflection on the

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feud he'll be talking about. He's featured on the cover

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the Press Slamming Hulk, and it's gonna be great to

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talk to Tony about the process of press slamming Hulk Cogan,

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so she could imagine there were concerns Boss, Yes, brother,

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to say the very least, But what are you pressing slamon?

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What are you all about? Looking terrified? And red trunks,

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red knee pads and are those gold boots?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've never seen him in gold boots,

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but no, maybe they're silver. Maybe they'res silver and they're

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catching the light in a weird way.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, that's much more likely. Yeah, because we

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did see him in red and silver gear if I

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remember correctly, Yes, in our last nineteen eighty one episode.

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And he's got the gig tape on his forehead and

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his mouth is hanging open, and Terry's Terry's going out

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of WWF and style here in nineteen eighty one thanks

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to mister Usa. Look at that slam. It's a great

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shot too. It's a great picture, What a great what

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a spectacular visual to create after all those months and

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over a year in the territory being someone that you know,

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no one could budge unless you were Andre the Giant.

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and no one would ever do this again to Hulk ever,

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So enjoy Hulking press lamb while it lasts a warrior.

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I guess, yeah, he dropped him on his stomach, but yeah,

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the full slam over the top, but he does lift

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him up over his head. Yes, well we'll look forward

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to that as well. But here's how it was framed

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up for the research of pro wrestling. Illustrated Hulk Hogan's

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final program of his first run in New York from

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seventy nine to eighty one. The headline Tony Atlas versus

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Hulk Hogan the war between wrestlings Superman Boss take it away.

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Speaker 3: They simply don't like each other. Let's amend that statement.

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They hate each other, hate each other with every fiber

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of their muscular bodies. Atlas ho Cogan laughed, called that

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got wrustler dustin guys on the beach who can wrestle

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way better than Atlas on.

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Speaker 2: The beach.

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Speaker 1: At the Gracie Beach in Rio. Well, I mean, you know,

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you do think about it.

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Speaker 3: Maybe uh in about fifteen no, yes, about ten twelve years.

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You know he would have you know, he wrestled guys

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like Jim Knighthar on the beach and thunder and Paradise

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's what he's talking about it. Okay, So

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Speaker 3: Then that boy can't can't hold I candled a lot

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of a lot of people who are discriminated against because

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they don't know how, because they don't bow and scrape

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to the fans what I don't know, what the fuck

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what even means? Hulk Hogan's a loser, said Atlas. He

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ain't done nothing his big mouth that it said he

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would do. All he can do is shoot off his

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big mouth and make a lot about big mouthwaves because

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the mouthwaves. The big mouth waves with his mouth. Oh okay.

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Speaker 2: That means by the discrimination point is Tony can't claim

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he's being discriminated against because what if he wasn't such

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a kiss ass? How much harder would he be discriminating?

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nothing in the ring. A guy like Holgan ain't a

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wrastler but an oversized bum. This feud has been simmering

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for some time now. Unlike many feuds where the protagonists

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find themselves embroiled in something they never intended, the Atlas

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Hogan wars were inevitable even before they ended up in

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the same area. Why because in some respects they are

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quite similar. That remark prompts Angry to notiles. You know,

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ain't nothing you can say in the whole world without

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lead me to Atlas, just because I had a great

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body and that Atlas thinks he's got a great body.

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We're going to have to do some autopsy. Yes, just

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because I got a great body and that Atlas thinks

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he got a great body, ain't no reason to say

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there's any similarities at all. Okay, Yeah, just because he

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he doesn't mean you have to agree. He's also has

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insured on this is world's greatest Jim Hamden, Connecticut. So wow,

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anyone who clanged and banged at the World's Greatest in

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Hamden eighty one?

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Speaker 3: I guess yeah, not much. I think even know how

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to reach out to great or East World East Gym.

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Let's say it's not greatest East. Yeah, even great about it,

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that's for sure. For one statlast agrees with his foe.

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Lots of people look at us and all they can

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see is our physiques. You figure, since Hogan's built himself up,

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but I'm mister USA and been winning bodybuilding championships for

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a long time now, they think we got similar techniques

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him going. Oh.

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I just use my strength for good. Just look at

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the way we wrestle. All it does say it. It

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says it.

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Speaker 3: All Holgan can do is break the rules. He only

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knows how to cheat, nothing more than that. He's If

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he's so good, then how come he's got a cheat.

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If he's so strong, how come he got a cheat?

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It does say how come he got it? In that

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second one. If he's so talented, then how come he

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got a cheat?

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Speaker 2: Well that, let's raises an age old question the article.

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Speaker 3: Which is nagged professional wrestling from the beginning of time,

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and Hogan has a ready self serving answer. I'll cheat

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at a bit. I don't have to cheat, not when

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I'm wrestling punk like Atlas. When you see what you

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see the ring is me having a stupe to his

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level of wrestling. You know, there's an old saying in

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wrestling that you always rise to the level of your competition.

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You can be the single greatest wrestler over lived, which

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is me. And if you have to wrestle a bum

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like Atlas who can barely stretch out his arms because

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he's so overdeveloped that I ain't gonna look quite as

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good as I might. That's only because I'm wrestling a bum.

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It will give me some real competition, which they're probably

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ain't this WWE, and you'll see the real hun. I

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don't see anyone cable rising up to my level, Hogan continued. Yet,

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the critical difference and the fuel for their feud rests

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and their different approaches to building their bodies. Hogan builds

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his superb physique through sticking a needle in his bum.

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They gave up the ghost earlier that I thought through

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more floor exercise is like push ups and lifting heavier weights,

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while Atlas pumps lighter weights in greater repetition to gain

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definition and his muscles.

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Speaker 2: I just want to just comment on this, you know,

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I think what you really should talk about is is

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the fact that you know, Atlas he lives heavier weights.

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You know, you know he lighter weights with a greater repetition.

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The definition he's a defining athlete or is you know

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Holgan is a he's a SUPERB? Did he call Tony

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Alice a defining athlete? I wish you meant, you know,

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definition from a you know, physique standpoint defining athlete makes

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him sound.

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Speaker 1: He was about to call Cogan superb physician.

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Speaker 2: That would be George the Horian. Okay, haym this Gary

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Michael Capeta call the hand well the best thing he

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said in that whole.

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Speaker 3: Thing honey baked Tan. He had at least four before

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each appearance on TV.

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Speaker 2: I love this. Wait till you hear what Tony says.

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Totally goes down this road of the difference in workout

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regimen between the two.

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Speaker 3: Hog and don't know the first thing about exercise and

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thundered at list the things they can do doing a

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bush bush ups and that gives him strength. Well, my

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strength is more useful in the ring and his strength,

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don't you know, don't take don't take much to keep

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pumping those lightweights. Naturally, it don't because Tony Atlas doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps this is all the same category events saying on

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television when Holt came back from Japan that his weight

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is just distributed differently.

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Speaker 3: I'm not you know, you know, if you were able

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to massage yourself in a different, different fashions that can

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actually massage musculature, you know, down to different uh you know,

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uh part in your body and you can you can

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you know, uh uh kind of develop different parameters in

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that regard and provide you know, a distribution method that

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enhances and also creates body differentials, a distribution method. Indeed,

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if only Sean O'shey was able to prove it, perhaps

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the only method to settling this violent feud is in

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the ring. Only there can the dissimilar styles and common

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contempt be settled. One match between the two is history.

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Both men eagerly await future battles. We eagerly await the sage,

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wisdom and insight and recollection of mister USA. Tony Atlas

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here on this Independence Day twenty twenty six, I want

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to thank you so much for being with us through

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this all American ride. It is an an American story,

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after all. The complete Hulk Hogan presenting now our interview

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with Tony Atlas as we say goodbye to Hulk Hogan's

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first stint in New York.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Tony, Okay, well, I would be talking to you.

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I'll be talking to you. I'll be working out at

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the same time. Fits in my work. That's all right.

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Speaker 2: This is Tony Atlist, ladies and gentlemen. And if we're

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going to talk about Hulk Hogan's first run in WWF,

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we've got to talk about the last few he had,

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and really this July fourth weekend, it's a pleasure to

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welcome mister Usa himself. He's in the gym, folks, so

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he's going to be getting some reps in while he

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talks to us. But we're really glad to get some

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of his time. Tony Atlas, thanks for.

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Speaker 1: Joining us, Yes, sir, good being with you.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we know that you first came across

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Hulk in I think seventy nine in Georgia. What was

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the first interaction you had with him?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's strange. I just won the Georgia title from

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Dennis Condric and that's him a lot of all the

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big this senior he wanted all big wrestlers, so so

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he ended up all the big guy that was going

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in New York and burned Don You and all them places.

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So I was the biggest guy in Georgia at that time,

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believe it or not, I was two hundred and sixty

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eight pounds. But all the bigness wrestler in the old days,

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the heel is always bigger than the baby face. That's

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how they wanted you know the heel because nobody likes

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you a big guy up on a little guy. So

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it worked perfect for old school wrestling. Well, anyway, it

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was arrested by name of Thommy Wildfire Rich and Tommy

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went to only Anason from one part of the Minnesota

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wrecking crew. There was no on Amazon. Then it was

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only and Jane Anderson. They were they would have ridden

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to Anderson first, it was laws Anason, and then Jeane

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only came along later. But anyway, uh, Tommy Rich went

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to older said, holy d you know, Tony don't have

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nobody big enough to work with him. Why don't you

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use that big guy. You know, he's all muscled up.

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It's all a bad work up. And they were saying that,

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I mean, y'all work a program. We're trying to work

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with the big guy on AMAS. I say that guy

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would never draw a damn in this business.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: And they didn't do the program. And then I didn't

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see Cogland animal and that I went to New y'all

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that's wild and right, and even though he was big

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and powerful looking, everybody would beat him. I beat him

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every time. I got him in the right every time.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about that for sure. I mean what

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I saw watching some of the old Georgia tapes is

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there's a confrontation between you and Sterling Golden in the studios.

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Stan Hansen is talking with Gordon Soley, and then Tommy

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Rich shows up and Hulk is just getting out of

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the ring having just squashed somebody with the bear hug,

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and you guys are face to face at ringside in

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the Georgia TV studio screaming at each other. Sounded it

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looked to me like they were trying to set up

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a program there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but did know we never really work a lot

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in Georgia. I mean I probably just beat him. I

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just buil him up for me to beat him.

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Speaker 2: Sure, was there a situation there, Tony where that they

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started the program and then decided against it. And that's

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why we see an angle the.

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Speaker 1: Problem, you know, to see the thing about me, I

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was not really part of the office. So they were

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a promoter that they had a thing that they would

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do with the wrestler. Let's say I want to make

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you champion. Well, before I put the belt on you,

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the first thing I would do is, uh, have somebody

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have somebody to beat have you to lose to somebody

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that everybody beat. Yes, uh, and then I would set

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back and look at your face because putting it in

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the older day, putting the tighter on the person was

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one thing. Trying to get it off was another. Because

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the wrestlers had a lot of control. The only thing

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in the promotion, the under the promotion we'd do was

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he was in charge of promote. But once you got

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it to the ring, there was no way on God

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Green Earth that uh uh yeah, wait, let me do

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a seton I'm yeah, I'm I'm trying to do an interview.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, hold on one sure?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on?

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Speaker 2: Sure we're being asked to hold on or if we're live,

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pal one offul kind? I thought I thought we pulled

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one off when Larry watched the Bruno match with this this.

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Speaker 1: Is a.

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Speaker 2: This is you hear me, Tony?

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Speaker 1: Sure? Can I do a set? Somebody want to try

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to take keep talking. You can't let it out on

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the machine.

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Speaker 2: You cannot let anybody take your machine. I understand that

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what I.

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Speaker 1: Do, I do my interview. Go ahead, go ahead and

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use that, go ahead, use I do it. After I

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sent in my interview that's all. It comes back to it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tony.

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Speaker 1: I was listening to Uh anyway, make a long story short.

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See he was a bad guy there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He was managed by Classic Freddy bless it and and

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and I know I'm skipping around, but they called the

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office and they wanted a picture of a wrestler over

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three hundred pounds, over six feet tall. So the son

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and pictures a big John stud Andrea to day the

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Ronner montsou Well come care for the audition. Nobody showed up,

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but hold him you're talking about that mon Sue was

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the promoter. He was a promoter of New Jersey, so

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he didn't need the money. Of course, Andre at that end,

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at that time was making all four or five hundred

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grand a year, had a big mansion out in North Carolina.

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So the traveling back and fall to Japan and you're

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just making crazy money. So Andre didn't need the money.

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Big John Stubb was being pushed at that time, uh

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and making good money, Hogan, but was pretty much was

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what we call a jobber, okay, pretty much. Yeah, he

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was not a job for everybody, just for the top guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Andre was staring him around quite a bit. In nineteen eight,

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exactly exactly. He was scared of deough of Andre. He

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was scared of death of Andre. And anyway, Hoga went

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made a movie. Yes, people forgot. He wasn't with ence

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when he made that movie. He was with burn Gunya

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out in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: And when it came out right, when he went to

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the movie, he was always went him. This got rought

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of him, this division using you never did number, They

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didn't number for one after the movie, Yeah, you're with it.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember do you remember hearing that that Vince

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Senior told Hulk he can't do the movie? Do you

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remember any of that?

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Speaker 1: Well, that fabably did, but that they told that that

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was that that fabably true because they told all of us,

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do that give you a quick store or how the

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business work? They were so afraid of losing talent because

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what happened in the past. We got a ed Earl Maynor, yeah,

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way back right, and then he got into the movie

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and stuff, and then then then and other stuff, and

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he didn't ration no more. Then it was that called

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woodish stroll. Yeah, we know what he strode wotrow. But

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he wasn't after too. He got in the movie, never

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came back then you had uh his name called the oriented.

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Speaker 2: That oh from ah from uh James Bond movie. It's

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you got in the movie.

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Speaker 1: They never seen him again because they found out that

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they could make the same. But it's not more. Plus

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with the movie, you had a guaranteed right. So every

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time they show that movies, you get a check in

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the water check and rest you get. There's no there

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was no insa on. A wrestler had to be more

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than just ar wrestler. You have to be a businessman.

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Uh so wrestler what we called who was all to

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call it steff? Uh employed? So you pay, you paid

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your own TAXI, You pay your own See what the

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wrestled the dress put you on. Let's say one hundred

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thousand dollars a year. You get one hundred thousand dollars

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a year flat, but nothing is taken out of that check.

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So you have to pay your state and federal income

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tax out of that check. Yes, you got to pay

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your own taxic. If you want a helfa show, you

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got to pay your own helfa shows out of that chick. Yes,

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you are right for yourself employed. You're not the only

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people that is employee. Are people that work in the office.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's that's uh, that's the way it's been.

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And I wanted to if I could remind it back

475
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,759
to the Georgia days because I was listening to Ron Fuller.

476
00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:22,039
Ron Fuller had a podcast. He was talking about how

477
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:23,799
he was the first guy to push Terry and he

478
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,480
was in early seventy nine, creating him as Terry the

479
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,680
Hulpe Boulder. And then at a certain point Terry went

480
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,319
to Memphis. And Ron said, when Terry went to Memphis,

481
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,039
he was in need of some big, muscled up babyface

482
00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:36,400
because Hulk was already a babyface. And he said that

483
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,319
he brought you in to Southeastern his territory down there, Pensacola,

484
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,720
that area, because Hogan had left for Memphis.

485
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: Do you remember that, Well, probably not, not really, but

486
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,279
I know at that time because there was a lot

487
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,839
of guys that we was in one territory, but we

488
00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:58,880
was all over because we were suffer special. Just get

489
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,000
an example like Dustin Rose. He always was based out

490
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:05,960
of Florida, but he ras anywhere because of his popularity

491
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:09,440
from the magazine. Yes where at that time, you know,

492
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,359
there was only two wrestlers in the world that had

493
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,039
that type of physique and that was me and superstar

494
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,720
Billy Graham, right. You know, we was known for being

495
00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:23,920
the two musclemans of that earl. So so even though

496
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:28,359
I was in Georgia, I went a lot to reserve

497
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,599
Rasa there. I went to Texas for the von Erks,

498
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,680
I went to Puerto Rico. I'm in Japan, and you know,

499
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:38,960
because people wanted to see this physique that I had.

500
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:42,240
You know, I was a United States Barnygullon champion. They

501
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,240
never had that in rest in a full And that's

502
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,480
where the term mister USA compan is not from which

503
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,359
I am very patriartic, But the name didn't start because

504
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,240
of my patroness through the country. He started because the

505
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,039
Barnagullon title mister in USA. Once I won that, that's

506
00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:01,599
what they promoted. Like Peter, they promoted him his Olympic

507
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:07,880
our stuff because seeing the old day, our job was

508
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,279
to make the people believe and if they could get

509
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:14,599
something legitimate, they would push the hell out of it. Yes,

510
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,200
because they're legitimate. This guy really is. Because we had

511
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,319
a lot of guys that pretended to be something that

512
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,319
they wasn't. Like Alvin Coloff was French Canadian.

513
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: That's like a really good one. So you know, obviously

514
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:32,759
Terry was big, But what was the difference between Terry's

515
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,119
regiment and your regiment? Because you were really cut in

516
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,519
seventy nine eighty and he wasn't.

517
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:47,359
Speaker 1: HLBM had what very few people had dust Road had.

518
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:52,079
I would say the best pressure to prepare him to

519
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:59,000
was Dusty Road. Here's the reason why Huff Holgum is

520
00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:03,240
a remake, a remade a Superstar Bill of Glare.

521
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: That's right.

522
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: A lot of people have tried to the three people

523
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,680
have took that women. You see super soft Bill a

524
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,759
bear with a butt. The people know. I saw much

525
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,720
like that in wrestling in New York. Nuh And the

526
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:16,880
bigger mistake Vince Senior made that he realized that later

527
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:20,599
were taking that belt off of Superstar. So every safe

528
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,400
they took the belt off the Superlow, they would look

529
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,759
for somebody to repate with the tribe with Jesse. Jesse

530
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,799
didn't pull it off. But I remember when I first

531
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,880
got so Hogan now I'm a good guy. He's a

532
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,000
bad guy. Every time I wrested. If you could listen

533
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:39,640
to the audience, half of the audience were cheering for Hogan.

534
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,400
Asked caring for me. Everybody he got in the ring,

535
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:47,240
the same thing happened. They were promoters, didn't use it

536
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:51,480
because people he could not he couldn't get over totally

537
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:54,119
as a heel, and he wanted to be a heel

538
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,000
for the whole time. He was a babyface for the

539
00:29:58,039 --> 00:29:59,960
moment he came to that door. Why do you think

540
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:05,680
that is he had? It was just something Well, this

541
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:12,000
is the reason why in New York they have one

542
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,799
Colcasian main eventor.

543
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: Boy Backland yea at the time about Backland, Yeah.

544
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: That was the only person that was on top that

545
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,039
was not a minority. See, Vin Senior had the idea

546
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,119
that he wanted somebody to represent all the nationalities in

547
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:35,880
New York. So that way he had to have Japanese,

548
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,000
they have to have Puerto Ricans, have to have Black,

549
00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:41,480
have to have Polish, and all these people were you know,

550
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:45,119
non you know like Alex Husky, he was Cocasian, but

551
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,359
he went at Polish power. Yeah, so he represented Poland,

552
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,839
not the USA. So Caucasian at that time made up

553
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,319
eighty two percent of the population and the rest that

554
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,720
they had no reputation to represent. And on top of that,

555
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,000
the three major sports. The three major sports in America

556
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:12,720
at that time was dominated minorities, sure, yipball, basketball and baseball,

557
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:15,799
and they were the three major sports. With wrestling. They

558
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,359
saw that in wrestling and w c W only you

559
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,559
very few minority but New York. You know, he named

560
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:25,960
all the wrestler that was around me. If you noticed them,

561
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:29,960
all minority, Jimmy Schluckers, all these guys, and so what

562
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:34,039
Jehovah there would change the scenario once they put Hogan

563
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,839
on top, hence reversed it. And then all your top

564
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,000
guys except for junk Yard Dog and Pdo Santana, was

565
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:46,319
all occasion. It's not a racier FAO's of business than so.

566
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:48,599
Speaker 2: You're saying that's why Hulk got cheered even when he

567
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,400
was a heel against you.

568
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they had nobody to cheer for in New

569
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,319
York for years. Say you know, even Bruno Simonino, he

570
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,680
was super far of the last white guy they could

571
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,359
cheer for. Think about it. Yeah, Bruno was up, Bruno

572
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,559
was Italian. It's a cion on top.

573
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: Of it, Tony, what was the difference between Hulk's workout

574
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:09,759
regimen and yours?

575
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:10,559
Speaker 1: You had?

576
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,599
Speaker 2: You know, you were so sculpted. He was huge, but

577
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,440
he wasn't sculpted.

578
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: What was the difference, Well, Hobum didn't compete, So if

579
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:27,440
you don't compete, uh yeah, right right. Hobo was a restaurant,

580
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:29,839
you know, he never thought about being a bottlegood. So

581
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,920
he went in for lotw reps and heavy weight, and

582
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,240
I would do both. I would do the heavyweight, but

583
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,559
I also would do the reps. And then my diet

584
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,240
or to is how you eat, you know, like like

585
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:45,519
like like oga, we eat fried chickens. I eat baked chickens.

586
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:47,279
Speaker 2: Right yeah.

587
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: He would eat mac and cheese and I eat a solid.

588
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,240
He eat the cherry pie and I eat the cherry.

589
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:59,839
The cherry would not eat the cherry pie. Right. I

590
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,240
never eat bread when I was competing. Bread was out

591
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:07,559
of it. So mainly I ate meat and uh, veggies

592
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:12,519
and fruit nothing else. And Hogan still enjoyed some of

593
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:16,319
that Southern cooking. It sounds like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

594
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:18,160
We had a lot of greens. You know, I call

595
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:24,480
it greens tale, you know, in a veggie. You know.

596
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:28,960
I I wouldn't eat potatoes because that to me was

597
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:34,680
a start. All I ate was just veggies, fruit and

598
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,440
uh uh uh uh uh meat and if I got

599
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:41,920
a burger, I would get them without the gun.

600
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,799
Speaker 2: Did you give yourself a cheat day?

601
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, no guitar. Yeah yeah, we both

602
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:56,079
started one cheat they didn't one that you see what

603
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:59,680
I'm saying. Got here. Yeah, when your bottle bill, you

604
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,720
got to you got to be dedicated to it. Uh

605
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,000
one hundred shake, Tony.

606
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:06,359
Speaker 2: I'm looking through some of the results from Georgia and

607
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,599
I see a couple of matches you had, uh that

608
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:11,199
were tag matches. It was you and Ray Candy versus

609
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,960
Austin Idel and Sterling Golden. Do you remember any of those? Wow?

610
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,679
Speaker 1: I remember that wall.

611
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,519
Speaker 5: Before we were all snida, he was uh Rick McCall,

612
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,119
Mike McCord, Mike McCord yep.

613
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: Mich McCall. Yeah, yeah, Mike Mike McCall is at that

614
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,639
playing guy because that he became lost all that white

615
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,119
that when he became Paul Island. Yes, yeah, Well you

616
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,920
bring back a lot of a lot of a lot

617
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,960
of memories. You know, it's all for me, remember a

618
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,960
lot of stuff because you realize that what you're talking

619
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,039
about was almost fifty years ago.

620
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,119
Speaker 2: I know, I know, and it's and you were so busy.

621
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,599
It's like it's it's hard to remember one match first another.

622
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,440
That's why I bring it up to spark the memory

623
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,239
with the promotion job.

624
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,519
Speaker 1: But if they kept you busy, did they know you

625
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,559
don't have time to do nothing else? Right? Yeah? And

626
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,960
getting that's how they kept you in the business. Like

627
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,039
you told me about the Cohoba not to make the movie. Well, anyway,

628
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,280
when I became mister the USA in nineteen seventy nine,

629
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,679
Johnny I wish the name Tim Wood. Tim would he

630
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,039
wrestled mister wrest number one. He he sagged me up

631
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:18,960
for it. He went to the gym and shamed me up.

632
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,079
And he said, Tony, have you got the office? Tell

633
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:24,599
you you could go? I said, yeah. I went by

634
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:27,719
George Scott, he was the booker. He said I could

635
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,960
go to the contest. He said, you really want to

636
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,920
go to the contest. He said, you really want to

637
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,719
go to the content? I said yes. He said, well,

638
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:42,920
don't answer your phone. I said, you shure, He said,

639
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,840
don't answer your phone? He said he said, he said

640
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,559
this this bus. I do not want uh wrestler to

641
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,239
get involved with other sluff Becausey're afraid of losing them.

642
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:56,079
So all day the phone kept ringing and ring it

643
00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:58,119
and ring it, and I don't know what Tim Wood says,

644
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:03,079
don't answer that phone. So I didn't off the phones.

645
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:05,880
I got on the plane. I flew to New York.

646
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,679
Uh you gotta put this in there too, my life.

647
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,360
I almost got killed that day. The guy that the

648
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,280
guy took pictures of me, he was he took pictures

649
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,199
for the uh uh, the magazine, and he heard that

650
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,000
I was gonna go to the contest, so he was

651
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:27,920
gonna pick me up at the airport and drive me

652
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,880
around pick picture of me on stage to put in

653
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,480
the rest of magazine. His name was George palm Tana.

654
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:37,599
Georgia pala Tana was his name. So anyway, he picked

655
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,079
me up at the Laguardi Airport. We drive him uh

656
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,440
uh to where they're going to have the show at

657
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,119
and I saw this guy just kicking the crap out

658
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,960
of this woman. So I started to get out the

659
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:52,239
car to help the woman. George grabbed me around the waist.

660
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,119
He traned everything in his power to hold me back.

661
00:36:56,599 --> 00:37:00,320
He said, told him he's her pimp. He wouldn't you.

662
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,840
And as soon as he said that, the guy noticed

663
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,840
me trying to get to her. He reached underneath his

664
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,400
jacket and pulled out of his gun and probably walking

665
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,960
towards me. Oh my goodness, jump back in the car

666
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,159
and George took off and they were George La Paulo

667
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,199
Thomas Jesus and I would have died that day. I

668
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,599
would have got shot that day on my way to

669
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,480
the mister Ussa tidle.

670
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:26,079
Speaker 2: Wow, it's one of the other, right, dead or you

671
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:27,480
become mister Usa that day.

672
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:30,519
Speaker 1: I would have not that day. Even if I hadn't died,

673
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,079
I would have went to the houspital. I wouldn't have

674
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,400
went to that contest. I was either end up in

675
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,679
the house bitter all the way Joab, I would not

676
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,920
been in that car any way. I won the contest.

677
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,639
I came back then and then all of a sudden

678
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,840
my phone went the hell are you? Then as I

679
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,599
went to the contact, but we were looking for you

680
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,679
all over and everything. Get your ass down to the office.

681
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,719
We got a bump with so for lard. Joan was

682
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,639
going to meet me that day. To me, he would

683
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,800
go to the off the and Rufus said, how do

684
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,800
you do in the contest? I said, I won? He said,

685
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:09,760
go back in your apartment, get your trophy. Then go

686
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,599
get the trophy. I said, I don't want to care it.

687
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,159
Go get your troping. You want to say, go get

688
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:16,599
your trophy for the freight train dell. So I went

689
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,039
back to my apartment and I got, uh, got my trophy.

690
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,639
Well in a way. When I got to the office,

691
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:28,920
I had my trophy and then uh, David Crockett said

692
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:33,000
what that troph for? I said, first place? Think you one?

693
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:37,320
I said, yeah, I won. It's all fantastic, which usual

694
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:37,840
all TV.

695
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:39,079
Speaker 3: Yah.

696
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:42,559
Speaker 1: Well rufus knew why they called me. See, they didn't

697
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:44,639
want me to go. They wanted me to put me

698
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:48,039
on a little spots filled. They didn't need me. But

699
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:49,599
they didn't want me to go to the content. So

700
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:51,519
they what do we do? They tell you could do something.

701
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,039
Then the day of the show they recall you, and

702
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:56,960
and then and they have you to arrest us somewhere,

703
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,800
and therefore they do. And then when you told me

704
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,360
about the Holger, yeah, over the only one. They told

705
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,639
him that with the with the uh they did her

706
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,440
like I told not to go and make that movie

707
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:14,119
of wonder Woman. He was going to do a wonder

708
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:15,719
Woman if they pass it up for them and then

709
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,079
they end up tier anyway. That's what they do, that

710
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,639
the rassal auto tip. Yeah, but they want to keep

711
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:23,559
you in the business. And once you get involved in

712
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:26,159
something else, why are you gonna travel in that highway

713
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,119
they call them bump where you're gonna make the same money,

714
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,000
make more than a movie.

715
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:34,519
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, We've seen so many do that, Tony. Can

716
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:36,199
I have you go back to if you can remember

717
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:39,159
anything about uh teaming with Ray Candy against Hulk and

718
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:40,159
Austin Idol.

719
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:46,079
Speaker 1: Not really fine, I know, yeah, it's hard to think

720
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:49,920
about uh uh that fuck. But what I do know

721
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:56,159
about Hogan if you could find that, man, I bet

722
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,920
you dollars to do nothing that half of the order

723
00:39:59,159 --> 00:39:59,920
is caring for Hope.

724
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:00,679
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.

725
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the thing about Hope. It was something

726
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:08,159
about him that people just drew to him. You know,

727
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,239
certain people that the Dusty Road were like that Dusty

728
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,360
was like it was there's something about Dusty even it

729
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,800
was a big fat guy and everything else, but you

730
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,639
know it didn't matter. Well, why don't you think Olie

731
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:27,639
Anderson saw that in Hult? Because only was a wrestler

732
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:33,119
and he just looked at hoban ability as a wrestler,

733
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:36,239
which Hoba did not. It was not the best wrestler

734
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,360
I see. Yeah, he was not like a terrorist frong

735
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,480
or you know, a Harley raised. He was not going

736
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,760
to call a rastler. So he always felt when Vince

737
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,840
chained the business, Olga was perfect for the Hobo was

738
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,559
perfect for entertainment business. He was not perfect for the

739
00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:01,159
wrestler building. He looked when he tried to rast try

740
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,280
to picture, and another guy was like, I was thunder

741
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,239
Boat powders of powder was a big draw, but he

742
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,079
was not a wrestler. But you put him in a

743
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,400
wrestling match. They did a match one time with Oli

744
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,039
and uh Thron. The Boat a wrestler and the first

745
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:19,400
person to throw a punch lose a match. Let mean

746
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,440
thunder Boat had the rest of this whole match about

747
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,599
throwing a punch, and many per say the thunder Boat

748
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:30,440
matching was punching. It was the worst, brother, it was

749
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,559
the worst match. Anybody saying they like but influential. Nonetheless,

750
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:40,760
guys that was good entertainers like Ox Baker. He was

751
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,840
a great entertainer, but you put him in a wrestling match,

752
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,159
he looked horrible.

753
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about with Austin Idel. I mean you talked

754
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:56,000
about about this. Yeah, hold on grand I can see

755
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:57,280
him taking one, not doing one.

756
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, they all hip tops, even hip tooss. Yeah, any

757
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,639
wrestling move, name one that he does well.

758
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: I would say, Tony, you struggled mightily to get him

759
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,360
up for that gorilla press, and.

760
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he didn't want to go up. That was

761
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,239
his first slam, tell me about it. It wasn't It

762
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,760
wasn't just his first press lamb. It was his first slam.

763
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: Were slammed him. But yeah, press slammers it.

764
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: Called big guys back then, three oundther pound guys. They

765
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,400
didn't take them bumps, They didn't take them by bumps.

766
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: What did he say to you about the gorilla press?

767
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,119
Was he like saying, no, don't do it, brother, Or

768
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:32,639
how'd that go?

769
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: Watch his hand? He tried to grab my trunks and everything.

770
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like he's trying to stop.

771
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: You look at him. He tried to grab hold of something.

772
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:45,280
He was scared enough. I kept saying, old still, I'm

773
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:47,880
dropped him. I'm trying to give him hold still. He

774
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,159
almost pissed on himself. He'd never been up there before.

775
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,360
That was his first tam up there three hundred song pounds.

776
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,719
He was thinking about now I'm going to dive in. Yeah,

777
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,400
think about you, three hundred forty town man. You'd never

778
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:09,480
been off your feet, he's never been sue fletched, he's

779
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,599
never been back drunk. He'd never been slam until he

780
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,559
met me. Okay, so for him this new territory for

781
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:22,039
uhuse what most big guys do that you're just going

782
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:24,679
to just beat you up like guerrilla Monsoon. Monson didn't

783
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,480
take no slams or anything right Big John Stub. In fact,

784
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,079
they had a gimmick with John Slow the first person

785
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:36,440
to slam them. What was it that? Yeah, they had

786
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,760
a slam thing for them. Guys.

787
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: When you were when you were Togan Tony in those

788
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,360
matches where you grilla pressed him, what was it like

789
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,480
before the match in the locker room talking about what

790
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:45,239
was going to happen?

791
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,199
Speaker 1: Did you have you were get fired?

792
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: Okay? Wasn't there a story where where Vince said around

793
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,280
you and Hulk that do whatever you want with him?

794
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:56,199
Speaker 1: Oh?

795
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you were talking there.

796
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we has separate dressing room, right so that if

797
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,519
you noticed the old family, we didn't dress in the

798
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:07,920
same dressing room. So the rough for you was a

799
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,920
guy that run back and forth. Yes, uh, the rough

800
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,119
we would would tell you what what they were saying.

801
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,360
So because the rough, we would go from dressing room

802
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,280
to dressing room, the people really know what was up.

803
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:24,519
But I couldn't walk into the hill dressing right, and

804
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:26,599
we couldn't even ride together. We couldn't even say at

805
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:27,559
the same hotel.

806
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: I guess I should have just said, did you know

807
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:31,320
going in the ring? Did Hulk know going in the

808
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,719
ring that you were going to press slam them?

809
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: Yes?

810
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,639
Speaker 2: Okay? And was there a lot of negotiation? Was he like,

811
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:37,880
I don't want to do that? Do you remember?

812
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: No? No, if you go home to do that, what's that?

813
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you go?

814
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: They were saying, you home right right? You pretty much

815
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,920
need you had to be in a certain position, right

816
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,280
like a Harley Race could have done that, but not

817
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,679
a ton of Afson, not of Okhovia understood. Yep, yeah,

818
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:57,639
just like in an element, and you have to you

819
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,559
have to be in a certain uh like God to

820
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:08,000
write your own check. It took a certain person. Holman

821
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,719
was able to do that later where he could write

822
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,519
his own check, but the first time Hopah had in

823
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,639
decision on what he did when we went to w CW.

824
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,440
He never had no say so on what he lived.

825
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,280
They went to w CW, he put it in his contract.

826
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:26,719
See you put it in that creative control, said that

827
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,400
he had control over over his finishes. Yes, of the match,

828
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:32,920
Tony were exchanging it.

829
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,559
Speaker 2: We were sharing some messages with I think Daniel Seveldi,

830
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:37,480
one of the Savoldi family members, and he says, there

831
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:39,960
is a story about when you were working with Hogan

832
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:42,320
and Hogan was really paranoid about getting fucked in the

833
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,159
ring and went to Angelo and basically told him not

834
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:47,480
to slap three. When you guys wrestled in Philly. Do

835
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:48,039
you remember that?

836
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: Never just say it again?

837
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: Well, I think the story is when you were wrestling

838
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,880
Hulk Hogan in Philly in nineteen eighty one, just as

839
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,320
he was about to leave the company, Hulk was worried

840
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,639
about uh, basically like a fast count. And the story

841
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,880
is that during that match he went to Angelo Sevoldi,

842
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:10,119
who had Mario Sevoldi refereeing the match, and Mario did

843
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:12,119
ref the match. We saw the tape and that there

844
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:15,239
was basically a promise that Mario wouldn't count hulked down

845
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:17,480
in that match when you rolled him up. And if

846
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:19,880
you watch Mario, he kind of does have a weird count.

847
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,800
He hits the mat twice and then he like he

848
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,039
hesitates to hit it a third time, and then he does.

849
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:25,960
Do you remember any of that?

850
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 1: Well, you see, that's what I'm saying. So that went

851
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,800
off in the heels. That's your room, yes, true, Ah,

852
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:35,440
so what I went. I knew nothing about it. It

853
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,800
see that. But see Holger was not going to kick

854
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,400
out on me anyway. Because there's something else that we

855
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,519
could do back in over the day. Yeah, brother, that

856
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:47,239
we could do them. We can't do it now, but

857
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,480
buy then if he has screwed me in the ring,

858
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,119
I would have stretched him. Oh really, I was a shooter,

859
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:01,039
m I was an amateur wrestler and I boxed in

860
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:04,960
the Golden Glove before I got into wrestling. So what

861
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:08,079
these old channels would do in the old days, they

862
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:11,280
would kick the crap all of you if you screwed

863
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,480
around with them? Did they promoted? They try to get

864
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:16,599
sweep with me in the rain, but he's putting me over.

865
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:19,039
I knew I could beat him up if I wanted

866
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:21,880
to do you have to sound I'm.

867
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:22,599
Speaker 2: Saying absolutely no.

868
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:27,159
Speaker 1: I understand thought Ober knew that if he screwed around

869
00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:29,800
with me out there, he won't have problem.

870
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,559
Speaker 3: When you knew that, when after you after you rolled

871
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:36,679
him up with the you know he did a pin

872
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,639
with a roll up, and even say after he came

873
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,599
back to w w F after you know, after he

874
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,280
went away and a way into the movie whatever, did

875
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,920
you notice any kind of increase in paranoia and nervousness

876
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,360
by him?

877
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:50,079
Speaker 5: Uh?

878
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:57,039
Speaker 1: Something that that you follow another motor. Yeah, I come

879
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,639
out of the Auer trust and that hold them that beat,

880
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:03,519
the hold of that whole will never beat.

881
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: Oh, that's true. It's concerning did did he got back?

882
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: Did you ever try to win back?

883
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,599
Speaker 2: Did you ever try to get that win back? Like

884
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,360
even later on, did you? No, he didn't want to.

885
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: Didn't want to see. Vin Senior told me something and

886
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,880
over everybody knew that Tony, if you could lift them up,

887
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,840
you could pin them. That was my finish and the

888
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:40,119
old day we respect each other finished. Hogan knew I

889
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,719
was going to press hell. I was looked to be

890
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:49,480
in WrestleMania. Uh, white armist. I was coming out the

891
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:51,840
hotel the Ramada in the Fall and ninth and eighth

892
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,679
Street Armist Polo was waiting at the door with him

893
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,360
with a twenty five hundred dollars check. He's a kid

894
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:01,559
the bar want you to take the night off this

895
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:04,519
wrasser Mamium one. Now I got to raft a Bunday.

896
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,360
They gave me the check. He said, look, if you

897
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,440
signed the back of the check, I give you. Catch

898
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:12,880
you and your lady. I was dating this girl man

899
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,599
from Total Week because she was a witness in the

900
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:16,920
Jimmy Slipper murder. But any way, me and her will

901
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,159
go out. I'm gonna have a good time because I

902
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,920
was gonna rash a Bunday. They called as d Jones

903
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,840
and asked he to come down to take my place

904
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,639
at the keen call on Bunday because Bundy knew I

905
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,000
was gonna press him because I did it on TV

906
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,400
when he was wresting the Press. They knew I was

907
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,440
gonna press him. If I don't slam you, I will

908
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:40,679
set you on the rope like I did Paul Umboff

909
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,360
and patch you on the head. That's how I kept

910
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,320
myself over. So guys knew. They said, Tony get his

911
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,079
hand on you you're going up in the air. You're

912
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:52,360
gonna You're gonna go up. You couldn't something I had

913
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,719
a four hundred I had a six hundred and fifty

914
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,280
pound bench and a four hundred and twenty five pound

915
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,000
cleaning jerk. I used to do eight to ten reps

916
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,760
with three fifteen behind see him behind the neck presses, right, Yeah,

917
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,000
so that's why I hold them. The other got back

918
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:10,920
in the ring media not.

919
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a well, you make a great point that,

920
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,400
you know, Hulk, you know, never got.

921
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,679
Speaker 1: Back and whop everybody. He came back and whooped everybody but.

922
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: Me, And it's a great point that he got those

923
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,119
wins back. Another thing no one else ever did was

924
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,760
roll him up from behind, although he was I'm sure

925
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,639
concerned about that, but like you rolled him up from behind.

926
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: Well, see wrestlers knew that because see the wrestler had

927
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,599
more control than than they do now. So the promoter

928
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,199
could tell me what they want to tell me, the

929
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,760
one like a prooter, like it's a master. Why and

930
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,039
Paul on off? They told me they said totally wanted

931
00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:48,400
to put Paul over when I had heath with Paul

932
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,519
for he bit my ears. You know. So I liked him,

933
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:53,000
but not that much. So I said, well, I don't

934
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,519
do what I want with him to run. I picked

935
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,000
him up, put them on on the rope and made

936
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:00,639
him look sullid. I did the same thing BRANDED said,

937
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,719
made him look sully. So the old time I make

938
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,559
her look sully, I'm the newtra all them guy like

939
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:09,760
and hold them. He knew about them shooters and how

940
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,199
and how they would hurt you. So they tried to

941
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,079
break his leg when he was in Florida, this Japanese

942
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:19,880
trainer Shootie or what he was Shootie. Yeah. Yeah, he

943
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,119
wasn't very big. Weren't watch five ft eight maybe two hundred.

944
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,760
It wasn't hakushi right now, no, something like that. Yeah,

945
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,800
he would wanted the trainers to head on him. And

946
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:32,800
then what were the shooting like the Boston Sushi and

947
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,840
all these Yeah, yeah, he didn't want to beat the

948
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,079
hell out of the hold gun. Yeah, so Hoba knew

949
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:43,360
that these God, if we all knew how to shoot.

950
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 2: I want to play you a clip, Tony.

951
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:46,199
Speaker 1: We have it here.

952
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:47,519
Speaker 2: I think you'll be able to hear it on your phone.

953
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:49,639
This is one of the promos that Hulk cut in

954
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,840
New York before you wrestled him in nineteen eighty one,

955
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,960
he cut a bunch of promos. You might you might

956
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,880
recognize this. It's just twenty seconds, but I want to

957
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:56,800
get your reaction to it.

958
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: Just here we go. You will never ever ever pin

959
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,199
me or be me in the center of the ring.

960
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:06,400
There are a few things you might be better to

961
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,800
be at. One on the shine shoes, maybe chusing spears,

962
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,840
and maybe eating watermelon. Boy, you ain't nothing about a

963
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,199
suit up spider monkey. And when you get in that

964
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,559
room with me, I'm gonna show you the rooms the

965
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:20,920
USA and the only undefeated russeller west in the world. Today,

966
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,119
that's tough to listen to today. I remember that interview.

967
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,599
Speaker 2: Yeah you can hear it, Tony.

968
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he called me a spodermunker.

969
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about all that today? It really doesn't sound good.

970
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:35,800
What about that when you were were you okay with that?

971
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, because you see, you've got to go with

972
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:39,239
the time.

973
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 6: You got to go with your pamp. Everybody had names

974
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:49,920
for everybody back then. Everybody had named for But look

975
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:52,679
look at the Jui batter called or tell your people gettings.

976
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:58,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a time. You know, you have to

977
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:03,000
make rationing look real, mh. And during the time that

978
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:06,039
what they call black people monkeys, and they called the

979
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:08,719
Jewish people. They had names for Jewish people that they

980
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,840
called a canyon WAPs and guineas. And I mean it

981
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,199
was all power of the of the of the environment.

982
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was, he was.

983
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: He was going along with the tam the of the

984
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,159
of the pirit of pan and a lot of guys

985
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,599
did that. You know, it was you know, uh, it

986
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,239
changed when a little when they got to Cava. I

987
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,159
remember Black Josh Mouthergun did an interview one time about

988
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,679
about lynching me and uh, you want father, you're gonna

989
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:43,480
try father and length meet and our Pat Connough trick

990
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:46,119
or said, that's a little bit kee for you. You

991
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:48,559
can't go that far. You got to do another one.

992
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,079
He said, what part you want to get? What he said?

993
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:52,840
The lynching part?

994
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 2: All right, So that's that's good, that's good to get

995
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,599
your reaction to that at the time. So you didn't,

996
00:53:57,639 --> 00:53:59,559
you didn't, you didn't have any objection to that.

997
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,159
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, that was good. Heat heat. I

998
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:04,920
think the black people out there, all the black the

999
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,280
bill was packed. So the more outrageous you were the

1000
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,480
butt of the business was back in the day. That's

1001
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:17,199
why Ronnie Piper was so popular later because he was outrageous,

1002
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,440
and why Stone Cold Steve Awsome so popular. He was

1003
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:23,519
so outraging, you see, the more out of work fare,

1004
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,320
the outrageous and the way he talked and act and

1005
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,000
bland and all this and that stuff. So that's him.

1006
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:30,880
That was a big draw in the in the in

1007
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,239
the in the industry. See, name didn't people is not

1008
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,960
as sensitive. There was a different type of people and

1009
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,480
the wheels all ranged. Sticks and stone would break our bones,

1010
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:44,679
but names would never hurt. So so if somebody call

1011
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,880
your name and you got offended. He was considered as

1012
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:50,599
a punk.

1013
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: A punk to be offended by a word.

1014
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, well wait, yeah punk. It had under with homosexual.

1015
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,679
It was you stalk, you can't take it. They would

1016
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:02,440
like suck it up.

1017
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,199
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think as Tony you know, all those

1018
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,639
years later, Hulk had that thing where he said the

1019
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,639
N word on tape, and I think people go back

1020
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:11,599
and watch this stuff from the early eighties, and you

1021
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:13,840
know what I mean, They're like, oh see he always

1022
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,000
was comfortable talking like that.

1023
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: No, but he came up in that environment. Yeah, I

1024
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,719
was too there to stop me from saying stuff like that.

1025
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,199
But the problem I can't get in trouble for it

1026
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,840
because because of my color, you see political correctness. And

1027
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,079
you can put this in the paper if I make

1028
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,639
sure you put this in the paper. What help bogan?

1029
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:40,960
Is political corrected before wife's only? Prove me wrong? Interesting

1030
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:48,480
for littica correctly before wife's only. How can a black

1031
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,920
guy use the N word and become a millionaire and

1032
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:57,880
hold her use it and and lose lose everything? Is

1033
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,199
that possible? The word, the meaning of the world don't

1034
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,440
change because the color of the person said it is.

1035
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,400
They mean what it means. They don't change.

1036
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: Right now we're living through it. But it's wild to

1037
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,039
see these promos at their time.

1038
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: Hey, nigga mean nigga, fag mean fag, sissy mean sissy?

1039
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,800
Don't boy? Who said right right?

1040
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 6: Right?

1041
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:21,159
Speaker 2: Right?

1042
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:26,079
Speaker 1: So whur coup is so different with cold gun because

1043
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:29,679
he's what's he's uh, well, yeah, he's Caucasian. He is

1044
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,840
a part Panamanian. Yet the only way you can get

1045
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,119
in trouble for what you say you have to be Caucasian.

1046
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:39,400
If you're black, you're saying what you want to say.

1047
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:41,320
Nobody gonna say nothing about it.

1048
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: Fascinating.

1049
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:44,559
Speaker 1: So that was your reaction to the getting raps. So

1050
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,760
they use it all through the song You walk through

1051
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,079
the Black neighborhood. They called each other the name then

1052
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:52,119
also they as soon as the white guy said also,

1053
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:57,199
they're in trouble. To me, that's the same thing that

1054
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,840
they did back in the sixty A white guy could

1055
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,039
say what he want to say, but a black guy couldn't.

1056
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:09,519
Same thing, same thing, reverse discrimination, political correct wife.

1057
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,679
Speaker 2: You have it from Tony at Less himself and then

1058
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,400
himself weighing in because that clip of him saying that

1059
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:17,559
in like watermelon and all that stuff that came up

1060
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:19,840
again recently on social media. People found it and were

1061
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,800
recirculating it, and I always wondered what you thought about it.

1062
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: Brother, let me change something. He didn't lie. Excuse me,

1063
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,800
he didn't lie. Okay, he didn't lie about none of that.

1064
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,519
If we were felling the truth. Brother, I'm from Virginia,

1065
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:37,639
and most Virginia black, all white. I don't care who

1066
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:40,000
you are. See, we couldn't afford all them sweets like

1067
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:43,559
they do now. Sure, most of farm for most blacks

1068
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,639
were sharecropper. They work on a farm, especially down South. Yeah,

1069
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:52,119
so we were pranking in watermela and that was our dessert.

1070
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:54,599
Speaker 2: Sure, water melon's delicious.

1071
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: Watermelo. Yeah, people people live on a black little fried

1072
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,079
kicking was the reason they loved for I think it

1073
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:07,039
was the only time during the week where they got meat.

1074
00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:11,519
Speaker 2: I see some they're done up. See I love it

1075
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:13,440
because it's delicious. But yeah, I didn't realize.

1076
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: You see, you see people didn't eat like they do

1077
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,519
their day back in the soil. You understand. My mother,

1078
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,960
On Monday we cooked a pot of beans. Guess what

1079
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:27,639
you have for the next three days? Beans bean? Yeah,

1080
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:33,800
America chop stewart like America chopped short. How long you

1081
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,719
say you can eat that America chop shot. Well, it's

1082
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:38,960
gone days and days they had left over. So on

1083
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:43,079
Sunday they had a big sun. That done after everybody

1084
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:45,440
back in the older days they went to church on Sunday.

1085
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:47,960
After church, they had a big sun. They've done up

1086
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:50,519
after the big sun had done it. You have fried chicken,

1087
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:57,440
mashed potatoes, green beans, and peach cobbery. You're making me

1088
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:01,039
hungry here, pal well, definitely my money just saying here,

1089
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:07,199
but that, but that would part of our tradition. And

1090
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,880
instead up until the seventies and eighty, thing changed. And

1091
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,840
then people started working different job, different employment, and and

1092
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:18,719
and and and the change and people started eating meat

1093
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,159
every day or whatever they want. They say that just

1094
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,320
having chicken on. So see, there was no minimum raigs

1095
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,719
back then. So what happened my mom? She would work

1096
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,000
her job. Minimum rage at that time were probably about

1097
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,880
a buck sixty because you got to and there was

1098
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,920
no role verse in wade, which means the average parents.

1099
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:42,199
We had. The smallest family in my neighborhood was nine kids.

1100
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: That's what you mean?

1101
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, There was no role vers in wage, so

1102
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,760
we had second I mean my dad took to say

1103
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:53,400
time we look, my mom got pregnant, got pregnant.

1104
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: At different time.

1105
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,639
Speaker 1: Indeed, but he had to you had to have a

1106
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:02,000
recommens he could stop having favors. He's a lapsed fan

1107
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:14,639
wrestling podcast with Jack and and JP Soro. It's a

1108
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,639
lapsed fan wrestling podcast.

1109
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,119
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question about Hulk that I

1110
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:21,039
didn't ask before? Did you ever have a disagreement with him?

1111
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:22,199
Or did you guys always get along?

1112
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: I love him like a brother. Is that right? He

1113
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:30,599
was the best, most generous to do anything for anybody

1114
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,079
person in my life. Anything Holman said on the interview,

1115
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,639
A lot of them. Woman. He was greening back then,

1116
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:41,400
so the old timer would tell him how to do

1117
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,920
an interview. So whatever Holman said about the brown monkey

1118
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,039
and stuff, some promoter told me to do that. They

1119
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,880
even tried that with me later on in my career.

1120
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:55,880
It didn't work because the environment chad. They had me

1121
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,840
the wrong Summers. You could look it up. In fact,

1122
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,760
we're at ninety two ninety three when I was a

1123
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,400
heel in w c W and I'm on the wrestled

1124
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,719
round so many the first black head of the first

1125
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,960
black champion. They had me to call him a porch monkey.

1126
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,960
Told me this, Yeah told you. You know you you

1127
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:14,719
could say that and get just what it told me.

1128
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:17,920
You can say it and get away with it. We came,

1129
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,920
I see you could say that, but we can't. They

1130
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,280
want to be aldle to heat between me and Ron Summer. Well, anyway,

1131
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,480
I went out there call him a porch monkey, and

1132
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:31,239
and and uh and then I said uh uh uh,

1133
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:35,639
I said, Ron, uh, you living proof that Indians had

1134
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,800
sex with buffalo. She said, wow, they really gave you

1135
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:47,159
the leash kest Now know about a month later we'll

1136
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:49,199
watch it. Well, we're getting all these brothers from the

1137
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:53,239
n W A, CPS and all the black groups, and

1138
01:01:53,519 --> 01:01:55,440
they wanted me off the TV. That's my w c

1139
01:01:55,639 --> 01:01:56,280
W and letting go.

1140
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: What what was something that Holp did that was generous

1141
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:00,199
that you remember.

1142
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: Hoger? Well, if a person helped Hogo would help him,

1143
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:11,239
he did it. He did it minytime. A lot of

1144
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,559
guys were a little bit and lower a money over with.

1145
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:16,599
He wouldn't say nothing. He was just slipping in your hand,

1146
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:23,159
he said, brother, No, brother, yeah you okay, brother, okay, bner.

1147
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,800
He would just walk away. People don't know what he

1148
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,679
did because he didn't like he would do things traveling.

1149
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,440
He didn't want people to know he'd done that. Do

1150
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:36,440
you understand what I'm saying?

1151
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: I know that's that's great.

1152
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,559
Speaker 1: Don't know that either. Yeah, yeah, he would do stuff,

1153
01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:42,320
but he don't want you going around telling people he

1154
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,039
did it. Right.

1155
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,119
Speaker 2: You know have the Shay Stadium show you wrestled Paterra

1156
01:02:47,199 --> 01:02:50,079
and Hogan wrestled Andre and Larry Russell. Berno remember that show?

1157
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well you know every time Hoger got in

1158
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,280
the ring with Laundi, he was scared of Andrea. Andre

1159
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:55,960
didn't like him.

1160
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,079
Speaker 2: We hear different things because he certainly he certainly the

1161
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:02,159
Hulk slam him a bunch of times and work with

1162
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:04,239
them all around the world over and over.

1163
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: One million dollars personally. Why you let homeo beach here?

1164
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,519
He said, they paid me a million bucks. Why don't

1165
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:18,800
you think he liked Hogan? They had this thing that

1166
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:22,639
were certain people like. I think it was the baby

1167
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:26,400
all thing about that baby all yeah, Randon sad. But

1168
01:03:26,519 --> 01:03:28,840
he beat the crap out of around there. No baby

1169
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:33,239
all right, and put on that baby all and we

1170
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:38,119
knew right away he's gonna get beat up. He don't

1171
01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:40,440
get beat up. No baby.

1172
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: All of oil checks though, right.

1173
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. He would lay your flat on your stumm and

1174
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,760
take his thumb and ram it up your rectum.

1175
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, did that ever happen to you, Tony?

1176
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,239
Speaker 1: No, he liked me. Oh he don't get to guys.

1177
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:00,280
He didn't like you. I know we're talking about the hold,

1178
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,039
but let me tell you this about all that. Andre

1179
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:08,000
loved me to death, hearing the reason why. We One

1180
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:13,480
day was measuring our biceps in the dressing room and

1181
01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:16,679
Andre was setting at the table playing cars, with on

1182
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,880
the scolding in them. You always played call rugby whatever

1183
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,039
they're called up some type of game vision to play

1184
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:25,960
card that they were playing the brot the pant board.

1185
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:28,039
It was got a pant board that would move the

1186
01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:30,119
little pin in the hole, put them in the hole.

1187
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,920
Cribbage privilege, crimmage. That's it. They playing cribbic. But anyway,

1188
01:04:37,199 --> 01:04:39,159
I said, I want to measure on. So I put

1189
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:44,760
the tape around andrea arm relaxed. Now it was in flexing,

1190
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:49,320
just relaxed. They were twenty two and a half inches around.

1191
01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:56,079
I measuring my bicet. My bicep were twenty three inches around. Yep,

1192
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,920
I said, Andre, don't you wish you're was as big

1193
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,320
as my home? We became the best of friends of

1194
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:05,000
that day off.

1195
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 2: That's great.

1196
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,079
Speaker 1: Always wanted to fit in, he told me one time

1197
01:05:09,519 --> 01:05:14,280
he felt like an animal in a cave. The longer

1198
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,960
you don't, he said, A midget know that he's small.

1199
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,239
He don't like when you call him shorty. He know

1200
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,679
he's short. He said. I know I'm big. I don't

1201
01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:28,800
need to be told that I'm big, right, So I

1202
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:31,199
just always tell Andre, and don't you wish it was

1203
01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:34,639
as big as me. Did you ask go to the

1204
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:36,320
gym one time? He said, I'm big enough?

1205
01:05:37,159 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I don't need to get any bigger, do you?

1206
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: Always? And you treat Andre like a normal person and

1207
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,119
don't mention his size. He's your best friend. But the

1208
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,679
moment you mentioned anything about his side you don't want

1209
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:52,840
to do with you, you're alienating him.

1210
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:59,519
Speaker 7: Yeah right, he told what the guy didn't usually driving

1211
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:02,239
round him white, He's I would give up, he's a

1212
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,159
I would give up all the money I would made

1213
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:06,840
it been to be you for one day?

1214
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 2: Wow? Do you think that? Hult said his arms were

1215
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,480
twenty four inches, so he could be one inch bigger

1216
01:06:12,519 --> 01:06:12,719
than you.

1217
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:17,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? Really, but holdan, I was never as big as man.

1218
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,719
Everybody to know that you would go to see pictures

1219
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,360
and everything with me and him? Yeah, he never had

1220
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:25,679
all the biggest biggest man.

1221
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 2: I think he was twenty one twenty nineteen.

1222
01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three and a half oh, twenty three and

1223
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:38,000
a half inch bicepo sixty in thirty two inch waist.

1224
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,159
That's you, that's me? How about? How what do you

1225
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:45,320
think Halt's real dimensions were? At least twenty two? Okay?

1226
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:45,719
Speaker 2: Got it?

1227
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: At least twenty four. I don't think that did might

1228
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,000
have been. See Holger was so tall, so I'm a

1229
01:06:55,159 --> 01:06:58,480
tall person. He alarm was much longer than man, So

1230
01:06:58,639 --> 01:07:01,360
it might have been because you know, he would he

1231
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,800
would like six seven, you know. Yeah, when the person

1232
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,360
sixty seven like him at three hundred pounds, he looked

1233
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,719
skinny at three hundred. Yeah, see me at three hundred,

1234
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:18,639
I look like a boat, you know, Sharman tank tank.

1235
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,920
What came back from Japan the first time, Tony Alan

1236
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,320
Puston was on about two hundred and forty five pounds,

1237
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:26,320
But when you saw him, because we're on a five

1238
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,480
foot eight at that point, I mean he looked like

1239
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:31,599
he weighed three hundred and TV put twenty pounds on

1240
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:32,719
you anyway.

1241
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,039
Speaker 2: That's true, right, right, But Hoo got back from Japan

1242
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:38,039
for the first time, Tony he had he had done

1243
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:40,119
a lot leaner. Why do you think that was?

1244
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:45,039
Speaker 1: Because what Japanese didn't eat all that junk food?

1245
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:46,599
Speaker 2: Oh it's the food.

1246
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: Everything go down the food. You know, here's the burner king,

1247
01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:52,239
the McDonald and all that.

1248
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:54,519
Speaker 6: In Japan.

1249
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot of rice uh uh caren barbecue, everything

1250
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:03,760
cook on on Theria it wasn't. The Japanese food is

1251
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,960
not the same. All eat a lot of Charmi foods,

1252
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,960
a lot of sugar Neck Charlie food, but not the

1253
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:11,719
Japanese food. You need a lot of fresh fish, a

1254
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,880
lot of fish. Yeah, Prus that trust. The matches was hard,

1255
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:20,520
That's right. Was another junk. There was the Jopanes. They

1256
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:25,000
didn't really work. That was like a shooter fight the

1257
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:27,680
most half shoot, half work, half shoot half work.

1258
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,560
Speaker 2: I have to say, Tony, I always thought it had

1259
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,039
something to do with the fact that you wouldn't be

1260
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:34,680
comfortable bringing, you know, Diana Ball to Japan or you

1261
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,319
have to come off a cycle to go over there.

1262
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: Right. Well, see home was big anyway, so he didn't

1263
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,760
really need to go. And you call it, uh like

1264
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,319
people don't believe this, but but but I tell him this.

1265
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,359
If you had came down here, you could as solved me.

1266
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,000
In fact, I'm gonna get somebody finish taller to have

1267
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:58,319
me take a picture of me right now today, and

1268
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:01,840
I'm gonna seen it to you. Okay. You see, when

1269
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,680
we first got on the juice, at least with me

1270
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,640
being a competitor, this what the doctor told me. The

1271
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:13,479
body on it produce what it needs. So if he

1272
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,319
was the mama, you take that first injection or you

1273
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:25,439
pop that first pill. Your testicus are not working. You

1274
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,520
shut your system down. Now, the doctor say you can

1275
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:34,800
only stay on it for one month, six weeks at

1276
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,880
the most. Some guy would push it to eight weeks.

1277
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:43,239
But here's the thing about goal six to eight. Whatever

1278
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:48,039
tam you was on, you have to lay off twice

1279
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:52,399
the amount of tab that you was on in order

1280
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:58,760
for your natural system to work properly. Yeah right, it

1281
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:03,319
call them spare raw. If during the time you are thorough,

1282
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,880
you only you only could get it up. You only

1283
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,520
could do what you walk because of the artificial stuff.

1284
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:14,600
You take it. Now, I would take it one month

1285
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:21,880
before a power lift in me. I would take and

1286
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,199
then I would take and then I would wait six

1287
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,520
See now, after you get off, because a lot of

1288
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:32,920
people don't know, it stays in your system for a month. Yes,

1289
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:38,159
after you off. It's like pot. It stays in your system.

1290
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,920
You take a month for your system to be clear

1291
01:10:41,079 --> 01:10:44,640
of it. So even though you took it for one month,

1292
01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:48,199
actually you've been on the juice for two months. You

1293
01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:51,840
follow me, I do so now that that that's been

1294
01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:54,520
in my system for two months. I have to lay

1295
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,840
off four months before I could do it again.

1296
01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:01,199
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yeah, because that's what happened.

1297
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:06,239
Speaker 1: He went eight months without stopping. That's what messed him up.

1298
01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:09,800
Eight months long stock the student and when when we

1299
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,720
got off, his natural system was so burnt out he

1300
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,359
couldn't He did develop no more.

1301
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got a lot smaller.

1302
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:23,399
Speaker 1: His test his tests thro level is very low now strong.

1303
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,960
So the body stopped producer test strong started taking it.

1304
01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's wild. So you think he was able

1305
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,520
to time time his his cycles to where when he

1306
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,680
went to Japan he didn't lose size because he wasn't.

1307
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: Exactly he knew that. Yeah, yeah, he hadn't really long time. Yeah,

1308
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,479
so the object was on you. You take a cycle

1309
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:50,039
once every six months. That's the safe way of doing it.

1310
01:11:52,279 --> 01:11:54,520
But he probably did a little bit more because of

1311
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,960
his transitioned, you know. But with me, that's how I

1312
01:11:58,039 --> 01:12:00,720
did it. It looks like he got much bigger for

1313
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:04,960
Rocky three. I did it accordingly to the way the

1314
01:12:05,039 --> 01:12:06,640
doctor told me to do it, and I never had

1315
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:07,119
a problem.

1316
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:09,520
Speaker 2: Do you remember him getting a lot bigger before Rocky three?

1317
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,800
Because he's huge in Rocky three, and he's not really

1318
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,520
that big in wrestling in the month before that or

1319
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:14,439
two months before that.

1320
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, to see that, I realized, TV put another twenty

1321
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,720
pounds on you. So if he three fought it on TV,

1322
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:28,920
he's three sixty. I remember if you look at the

1323
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:30,800
movie now, so he's going to all that Matt it

1324
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:35,279
look bigger in the movie, then what he will looking

1325
01:12:35,359 --> 01:12:39,560
in real life? Phoebe all that madded put twenty pounds

1326
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:40,039
on you.

1327
01:12:40,359 --> 01:12:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do you remember Hulk talked about when he

1328
01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:45,960
first got to New York, they put him with Tony

1329
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,680
Altimore so Tony Altimore could show him around and drive

1330
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,000
him around. Do you remember that? What did Tony do

1331
01:12:51,159 --> 01:12:51,479
for Hulk?

1332
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: Well, see Tron it was what we called you pretty

1333
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:00,079
much agent that he was an old school agent. What

1334
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:04,560
Tony main jar was the students out every damn thing

1335
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,520
you do? Oh just five.

1336
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 2: I love it.

1337
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,520
Speaker 1: He's help he's helping them, probably probably with this guy.

1338
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,960
So because the promoter couldn't travel with you, so they

1339
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,680
don't know what you do in the hotel, they don't

1340
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,359
know what to do with the balls, they don't do

1341
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,520
all the time. They didn't know what you did when

1342
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,880
you was in the arena, but outsident and in the promoter.

1343
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:32,159
Promoters did not want to invest money into somebody that

1344
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:36,199
was like, let's say if Hobo was a crackhead. When

1345
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:37,880
they're not going to put the belt on this guy

1346
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,800
because they said, you know, this guy could freak out,

1347
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,680
that would hurt man dog sean able to help him,

1348
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,239
say helm from him. But they knew he was wild

1349
01:13:45,279 --> 01:13:49,439
and crazy. The same thing with Aidan Adamas. They were

1350
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,840
really not They didn't really do with Adan the dollars

1351
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,920
and aided to beat me in rocket them for the belt,

1352
01:13:57,279 --> 01:13:59,000
you know, but they was always afraid to put the

1353
01:13:59,039 --> 01:14:01,399
belt on a but Adrie O'donalds or one of these

1354
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,239
guys that is just out there. And I asked Gelle Scott,

1355
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:07,520
I said, George, how come y'all know so much about me?

1356
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:13,720
He said, who you ride with? Wow? Ill thinker. Yeah.

1357
01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:16,000
They had stoogs to him that he was a student.

1358
01:14:16,279 --> 01:14:19,079
So his dog was to report back to the office

1359
01:14:19,359 --> 01:14:21,000
everything hold and do as.

1360
01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: Say, that's fascinating. It makes sense, it really does. And

1361
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,520
I wonder if you remember this, Tony. Shortly after Holk

1362
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,359
got to New York, he got there in November seventy

1363
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,359
nine January of eighty, him and the Samoans were driving

1364
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:36,039
on a highway in New Jersey and got arrested. Holk

1365
01:14:36,119 --> 01:14:38,960
was arrested for a possession of a firearm that he

1366
01:14:39,159 --> 01:14:41,159
hadn't asked me. Yeah, what do you remember about all that?

1367
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but that's how I was in New York

1368
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,640
if you carry a gun. But he got off. He

1369
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,279
didn't get no child or nothing for her.

1370
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:51,079
Speaker 2: He sure did. Yeah, it took a little while. We

1371
01:14:51,159 --> 01:14:52,840
were looking at some of the paperwork. But what do

1372
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:54,199
you think that was all about? Why did he have

1373
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:54,520
a gun?

1374
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,399
Speaker 1: And well, all the wrestlers have guns. A lot of

1375
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,640
guys had none. I see. Yeah here because did I

1376
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,399
realize that we didn't have security back then? And so

1377
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,039
you know, he com into New York City, you know,

1378
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,399
from the guy from from Florida, you know, and you're

1379
01:15:12,399 --> 01:15:15,359
in New York City all all of a sudden, and

1380
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,720
you carry a lot of money. True, Yeah, we didn't

1381
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,680
have even guys we have three to five thousand dollars

1382
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,159
on them. Wow, because we couldn't get to the bank

1383
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:29,119
all the time. And you had a station parer. I

1384
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:33,720
was stationed in uh uh uh in New York. Most

1385
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:39,000
guys stayed in in handon Connecticut, right near Parkford. Uh

1386
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,279
handing Connecticut a motion of rester of state backround live

1387
01:15:43,319 --> 01:15:45,399
in Harper. Some of the guys stayed in Palace of

1388
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,720
New Jersey. But anyway, once you leave your house, it

1389
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,439
might be a week or two before you get back

1390
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:56,079
to where you at. We live in the cars in

1391
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:58,960
the hotel, so that we go upstate New York. The

1392
01:15:59,079 --> 01:16:04,920
first trip was Flow, then Syracuse, then Rochester, then Utica,

1393
01:16:05,319 --> 01:16:11,800
then Troll. Then you hit uh uh hot hot I

1394
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:16,880
mean yeah, Hawkers, be Mads and Square Garden. You're down

1395
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:21,239
in Oldam doing TV. We worked seven days a week,

1396
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:23,800
so you had to wait till you get back to

1397
01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:28,399
Connecticut to put your money in the bank. I want

1398
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:32,239
to catch your check. So a lot of guys care

1399
01:16:32,279 --> 01:16:34,920
of guns. Monsoon had to use care of of gun.

1400
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,319
I carried the gun. I had a three ft of

1401
01:16:37,319 --> 01:16:39,720
seamendum there you go, and you were a baby face

1402
01:16:40,039 --> 01:16:41,960
one too. We get we all did, and you were

1403
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,640
a baby face attacked if you break up. When we

1404
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,000
drove it, we didn't flyer to say they were territory,

1405
01:16:48,279 --> 01:16:50,600
so guys drove every way. It wasn't like we slew

1406
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,680
everywhere like we did today. So what do you think

1407
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,520
is gonna happen if you break down on the side

1408
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,800
of one of them old Georgia road because you got

1409
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,479
four thousand dollars on you and no protection.

1410
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this, Tony, but you

1411
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:05,760
know David Schals, Jesse Ventura. They've said over the years

1412
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,600
that Hulk could be a way to get your hands

1413
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,520
on some some drugs. He could be a connect for

1414
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,720
some of that stuff. Do you remember that about Hulk

1415
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:12,840
at all? That he was a guy you can go

1416
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,439
to see.

1417
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: Here's the thing you gotta realize, there's nowhere on God

1418
01:17:19,039 --> 01:17:25,239
Green Earth. I'll tell you the real Huck Holgan right

1419
01:17:26,119 --> 01:17:28,399
a Holand gave me a rib. He just got through

1420
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,000
ding TV and Holgan will give me a ribe, he said, Tony,

1421
01:17:32,119 --> 01:17:34,159
rib you can rib me said, I want to talk

1422
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:36,920
to you. There's it, Holand now from me here with

1423
01:17:37,039 --> 01:17:40,680
friend and he dropped me off at this hotel called

1424
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,640
the George Washington and with the same hotel where that

1425
01:17:45,319 --> 01:17:50,479
Chluka killed that girl in Allentown, Pennsylvania. And just before

1426
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,000
I remember room he said, he tested me. Grabb not

1427
01:17:53,079 --> 01:17:56,239
to arm, he said, elizard to the kid, he said,

1428
01:17:56,279 --> 01:18:01,520
the old Tony Atlers I knew, I knew, worked out,

1429
01:18:02,359 --> 01:18:05,880
took care of business and did and got high a

1430
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,399
little bit. He said that Tony, as I know now,

1431
01:18:10,359 --> 01:18:13,880
don't work out as much, don't take care of business

1432
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:18,800
and get high too much. He said, I love him

1433
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:22,079
too much, brother, for you just let that get in

1434
01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:26,159
the way of your career. For me, give me, he said,

1435
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:29,800
I want my old friend doctor. He said, do that

1436
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,920
for me. Hogan told me that straight out of his mouth.

1437
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,199
I never forgot it. Wow, that'll tell you about Hogan

1438
01:18:36,279 --> 01:18:38,880
and a drug. See this guy was jealous of him.

1439
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:43,119
They cured it better. See a lot of guys like

1440
01:18:43,239 --> 01:18:45,359
David Shooks on him down. They thought they were more

1441
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:49,319
than what they were because old timer told me, never

1442
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,479
believe your proplity. I was there when David Ship got

1443
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,840
slammed to the floor by the police. But then they

1444
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,880
handcuffed him all tied him because he wanted to fight MISCHIEFO.

1445
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,760
He were pissed off as the team would fighting Hogan.

1446
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,840
He wanted to be Withholder. How Keen killed my gimmick

1447
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,520
that sable simmer. But he wanted to fight with Hogan.

1448
01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:12,439
Now they put him with me instead of Hogan. He

1449
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:13,880
did you formed me of nath.

1450
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:21,119
Speaker 2: Hogan, George Gray, you're talking about yeah, yeah, yeah, they.

1451
01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: Brought me the Simmer. Me and Hawking was both to

1452
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,079
be doing this big fat building for Ratsimania. So he

1453
01:19:27,119 --> 01:19:28,399
went in off there, I don't want to work with

1454
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,520
and I will work with Hogan. And the same thing

1455
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,680
with with with which whole him. He wanted to work

1456
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,800
with Holan. He wanted him to shoot I angle with Hogan,

1457
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:42,079
and they wouldn't let him go near Hogan. So so

1458
01:19:42,199 --> 01:19:44,800
you think that that he wasn't over that much. I

1459
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,520
mean he wasn't here no bit. He wasn't have a

1460
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,399
big style of freaking w w F. You know that

1461
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,520
for sure. So so Hulk had. Hulk had no reputation

1462
01:19:55,680 --> 01:20:00,680
as a big drug guy. Not really. I mean if

1463
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,399
this guy did it held a lot more thing he

1464
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,000
did what they did with the Holder. You see, if

1465
01:20:05,079 --> 01:20:09,600
Holger got highed one night, they would build it up.

1466
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 2: Are they making a bigger deal than it was compared

1467
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:14,479
to other wrestlers.

1468
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: Exactly because they was all jealous of hem. They were

1469
01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:22,439
jealous he was a young kid making more money than them,

1470
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,800
and move. These guys been been a ten years more

1471
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,319
than holder, and they all fled. They should got that

1472
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,800
break knocked him. They say, here are the reason he

1473
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:35,439
champion because of the movie. Think about it. They were

1474
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,039
not using hope, but they made that movie. And then

1475
01:20:38,119 --> 01:20:40,079
it come come to the movie. The first day in

1476
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:43,800
make him champion. The first day they you know they

1477
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,640
Anna Marshall went through that freaking dressing room back of

1478
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:52,680
the shoes to drop the belt to him. Back I

1479
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,039
said that guy ain't paid his dudes, I mean putting

1480
01:20:55,039 --> 01:20:56,800
the belt on him. He never pay his dues in

1481
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:01,479
this business. That was all about you. This guy went

1482
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,119
to the top in one day. Bo. Yeah.

1483
01:21:04,119 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 2: I mean the basic story, right is that Hulk said,

1484
01:21:06,199 --> 01:21:08,399
if you're not going to put the belt on me

1485
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:09,560
day one, then I'm.

1486
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: An all the guy will wait around thinking that they

1487
01:21:12,079 --> 01:21:14,479
gonna get the belt and then vin bringing me in on.

1488
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,039
They wanted to put the belt on, and the fricking

1489
01:21:17,159 --> 01:21:20,640
dressing room work nuts did they? Oh? They were so

1490
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,840
freaking mad and angry avanced. I thought they won't do

1491
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,520
that with me. How come they don't put the belt

1492
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,560
on me? Blah blah blah blah. I'm hear that ship

1493
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,479
all the time. Who you told me that they do

1494
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,079
you try to get me to to to go fuss

1495
01:21:34,119 --> 01:21:36,600
at Vincent? Yeah, Tony, they should putting the belt on you.

1496
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,760
He didn't put the belt on you cause you black,

1497
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,039
get you worked up. Yeah. I tried to get me

1498
01:21:42,079 --> 01:21:44,159
all worked up going off it and then fuss about

1499
01:21:44,199 --> 01:21:46,000
in them something like I said, nor was it they

1500
01:21:46,079 --> 01:21:48,479
put the belt on this? But he was sebout everything

1501
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:52,079
a minute. Then after he's the most popular rest in

1502
01:21:52,119 --> 01:21:53,720
the world right now because of the movie.

1503
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,079
Speaker 2: Sure, Tony. Who were some wrestlers that were most upset

1504
01:21:57,159 --> 01:21:58,920
that they gave Hulk the belt right away? Who do

1505
01:21:59,000 --> 01:21:59,439
you remember?

1506
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,319
Speaker 1: Well, I do not do no, David One. He made

1507
01:22:03,359 --> 01:22:07,119
it very very clear because he felt that they screwed

1508
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:10,680
him anyway, told him to slap that. You guy. He

1509
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,800
was stupid enough, David one.

1510
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 2: Anybody else?

1511
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was stupid enough for fall front and slapped

1512
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:20,600
that uh yeah, yeah, And then he got patting on

1513
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,880
the back the day he did it. I remember, Pam

1514
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,560
out a good job, David, protecting the business. You are

1515
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,039
protecting the business, and they were the lawsuit came down

1516
01:22:28,119 --> 01:22:29,000
the ship canter is.

1517
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,159
Speaker 2: At that's right. Yeah, that's well documented. Anybody else besides

1518
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:34,239
David Schultz that was mad that Hulk got the belt

1519
01:22:34,279 --> 01:22:34,840
on the first.

1520
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: Night, whoever was in the territory of that chair.

1521
01:22:39,079 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 2: Okay you remember, yeah, you don't remember who was trying

1522
01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:41,760
to get you worked up?

1523
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:43,600
Speaker 1: Uh?

1524
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 2: Who of all people? Really?

1525
01:22:49,159 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, he was telling me, you were telling me? Yeah, yeah,

1526
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,199
you know, so they they would have put that bump

1527
01:22:53,279 --> 01:22:56,000
on you if it was him black several now who

1528
01:22:56,119 --> 01:22:59,239
were telling me stuff like that? See, Hold, The main

1529
01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:03,319
thing was just jealousy. They were just trying of jealouship

1530
01:23:03,399 --> 01:23:06,840
of him because he got so much so quick.

1531
01:23:07,319 --> 01:23:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1532
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he broke in his seventy eight.

1533
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 2: Well that's interesting because you know, certainly certainly is not

1534
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,119
expecting the belt. So maybe he's carrying water for somebody else,

1535
01:23:20,399 --> 01:23:22,159
you know, trying to start ship for somebody else.

1536
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all them guys, you know, you know,

1537
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,199
I listen him talking the calls and and stuff like

1538
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:31,760
that about about Holder. You know why they put the

1539
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,399
book on him, you know. And Holgan was smart. He

1540
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,000
didn't hang with the boys. He was not what to

1541
01:23:38,079 --> 01:23:41,800
call one of the boys. What do you mean he

1542
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,760
didn't have Yeah, well, he didn't go out he didn't

1543
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,520
go out to the club with the boys. He didn't

1544
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,359
go out to Hoba did everything in his room to

1545
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:52,000
get room service. Yeah, yeah, get rooms. I went to

1546
01:23:52,039 --> 01:23:55,439
your room. He had a hell of us friend he

1547
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,000
would have Yeah, he would have all the cold cuts

1548
01:23:58,079 --> 01:24:01,800
on the table, the crew. Then they have the in

1549
01:24:02,079 --> 01:24:04,119
the bathtub. They would have all the beer and wind

1550
01:24:04,359 --> 01:24:07,119
all ice down in the bathtub and stuff like that.

1551
01:24:07,399 --> 01:24:09,520
He would invite certain guys up. They would have a battle.

1552
01:24:10,039 --> 01:24:12,520
They smoke weed, they have a battle way. The guy

1553
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,159
would go up to hogan room, reparted, but Hogan would

1554
01:24:15,159 --> 01:24:16,720
not go down to the ball or hang out with

1555
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:17,199
the boy.

1556
01:24:18,319 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 2: Now was this after he won the belt or is

1557
01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:22,479
this in eighty one and eighty always like that?

1558
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 1: Always? Yeah, because he knew to stay away from the wrestler.

1559
01:24:29,319 --> 01:24:30,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes sense.

1560
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:35,079
Speaker 1: Restlers are not friend they business associating. Holda was smart

1561
01:24:35,239 --> 01:24:40,479
enough to know that every wrestler there's his competition. I

1562
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,000
was a jock. I didn't know that, so I trusted

1563
01:24:44,079 --> 01:24:47,960
the boy. I try to be one of the boy.

1564
01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:50,560
Will you try to be one of the boys. The

1565
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,479
boy's going to screw you cause that's what they want

1566
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,520
you around floors and they trip you up.

1567
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:55,159
Speaker 2: Love it.

1568
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:01,319
Speaker 1: Ogo was never a dumbit. It was always smart. And

1569
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,760
what he did? You take with another quick start? I

1570
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,239
hit more one year for the same year they had

1571
01:25:07,279 --> 01:25:09,359
the super Bowl. I just know where the super Bowl,

1572
01:25:11,159 --> 01:25:14,000
and Vince decided that he's going to run a show

1573
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,520
the same night at the super Bowl. When we get

1574
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,880
to the building with more more were thirty people there?

1575
01:25:20,039 --> 01:25:23,039
If not, so Vince counseled the show. This is Vince

1576
01:25:23,119 --> 01:25:28,359
Junior not seeing it. He counselor show. So we sat

1577
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:32,720
there watching the super Bowl and a commercial come on,

1578
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:38,239
a right Guard commercial, and they're gonna huff Hogan standing

1579
01:25:38,319 --> 01:25:43,520
there painting the picture doing the right Guard commercial. Vince

1580
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:48,800
dropped his glass, but he was drinking. They said, I offered.

1581
01:25:49,039 --> 01:25:52,199
I tried my best to get a spot and couldn't

1582
01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:57,119
get it. He didn't know Holman did that. I see, wow,

1583
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:03,359
Hold up everything, Hold there. Hogo was very very business.

1584
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,880
Uh what I want to say?

1585
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 2: Oriented yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's fast. I didn't know

1586
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,119
he didn't know about the right Guard thing.

1587
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,359
Speaker 1: No, what about a lot of stuff? A lot of

1588
01:26:16,399 --> 01:26:20,079
stuff Holman got himself. See, Homer started writing his own

1589
01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:22,359
chick because they treated him like ship at the beginning.

1590
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:25,920
Then Senior came in one day, the rough we came in,

1591
01:26:26,079 --> 01:26:27,079
told me to say.

1592
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,359
Speaker 2: Do what you want to do with the big dummy,

1593
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:30,399
the big dummy.

1594
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,600
Speaker 1: Wow, to do what you want with the big dummy.

1595
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 2: Why would you call him a dummy?

1596
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:40,119
Speaker 1: They had this thing that Kate had been big and

1597
01:26:40,279 --> 01:26:44,319
smart too. It was just another culture thing of America.

1598
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:48,880
I see, okay it was. It wasn't particular yet. So yeah,

1599
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,920
even if they had interviews on me, you could hear

1600
01:26:51,039 --> 01:26:54,239
Greg Brontes, you totally the total. You may have big,

1601
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,880
big muscles everything, but you ain't got no brain.

1602
01:26:57,159 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying.

1603
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:02,600
Speaker 1: Okay, there was Yeah, that fit in an old American culture.

1604
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,199
You couldn't be big and strong and smart too. That

1605
01:27:05,359 --> 01:27:05,960
git didn't go.

1606
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,239
Speaker 2: What did you think about ed Leslie? He was hanging

1607
01:27:08,279 --> 01:27:09,920
around with Hulk in the very beginning. What did you

1608
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:14,079
think about their relationship? Who ed Leslie future Brutus Beefcake.

1609
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:18,359
He was hanging with Kulk all the time.

1610
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: I hear different. I was not around them, so I'm

1611
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:26,039
gonna to speak on them. But for what I hear,

1612
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:27,239
it didn't turn out.

1613
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, long term, Yeah, I just feel like when

1614
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,520
he was there in eighty and seventy nine and eighty one.

1615
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,560
At certain points ed Leslie would come up to and

1616
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,560
and hang around with him because they had worked together

1617
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:38,720
in Memphis. They knew each other back home in Tampa.

1618
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: Stop to think about this now, when Holden left, what

1619
01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:48,399
happened with them guy's career?

1620
01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well that's right, that's yeah, that's.

1621
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,039
Speaker 1: Why I'm saying it was. See what rastle. There's a

1622
01:27:55,159 --> 01:27:58,880
lot of jealous envy. I've found out later about the

1623
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,680
jealous embassy for for George animals Field. I said, George,

1624
01:28:03,119 --> 01:28:05,319
how come we like and get along with each other

1625
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,800
so much? Now? He said, easier kids, No more ego,

1626
01:28:11,239 --> 01:28:15,000
No more ego. See, you can't be a top performer

1627
01:28:15,319 --> 01:28:19,119
if you don't have a big ego. That coming. That's

1628
01:28:19,119 --> 01:28:20,960
why you're a big start. You've got a big ego.

1629
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,000
So if anybody starting to move ahead of you in

1630
01:28:24,119 --> 01:28:27,159
any kind of way, see wrestlers and our friend their

1631
01:28:27,279 --> 01:28:31,640
business associated. Hear you on that one. So once a

1632
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:36,600
guy slarted moving up the ladder, then somebody gonna move

1633
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,640
down a lot, like Christal pas Walkley told me, because

1634
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,159
they had a limit how many black wrestlers. They could

1635
01:28:42,319 --> 01:28:45,319
that they were having a territory. He said, as soon

1636
01:28:45,399 --> 01:28:48,600
as I walked through the door, he said, he knew

1637
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:55,399
that he lost his job. He told me that, he said, Trono,

1638
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:56,720
I see you come to the door. He said, I

1639
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:57,680
knew I lost my job.

1640
01:28:58,119 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 2: That's too bad.

1641
01:28:59,279 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: If they hold Yeah, the sue Hober hit that door.

1642
01:29:03,159 --> 01:29:04,960
So you have to tell me if there's an all

1643
01:29:05,119 --> 01:29:09,079
shoe because if one person's own enough room. A car

1644
01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:12,680
tour is like a car. There's only so many seats

1645
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,640
in that car. Yeah, and so when one restler come

1646
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,079
into the cartar, they know somebody's leaving.

1647
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:23,359
Speaker 2: We started talking about Georgia. Stan Hansen was there at

1648
01:29:23,359 --> 01:29:25,079
the same time, and then, of course Hulk and Stan

1649
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:26,800
went on to be a big tag team in Japan.

1650
01:29:27,039 --> 01:29:28,840
Why do you think Hulk, Covid and Stan Hansen got

1651
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:29,520
along so well?

1652
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:35,319
Speaker 1: Well, shee because there was on the same side. There

1653
01:29:35,399 --> 01:29:38,840
was on the same side in Japan. In Japan, everybody

1654
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:45,439
team up to them. You get real close to another country, Yes,

1655
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:52,600
everybody get real close in Japan because Japan, the American

1656
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:58,359
is always a heel. There's no babyface America's in Japan,

1657
01:29:58,720 --> 01:29:59,520
right right?

1658
01:30:00,239 --> 01:30:03,399
Speaker 2: I had seen that Stan worked with Hulk in Georgia

1659
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,279
at the Omni in Atlanta in seventy nine before they

1660
01:30:06,319 --> 01:30:06,840
went to Japan.

1661
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,079
Speaker 1: Hoba loved Stamp because Stan was like his.

1662
01:30:10,199 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 2: Protection, his protection.

1663
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 1: How so Stam Hanser was big, rugged and tough that

1664
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,600
could whoop just about anybody. But yeah, that's my soul.

1665
01:30:21,279 --> 01:30:24,840
Sam was a big throng rugged you know, he was

1666
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,960
the real deal. Himber, the guy like Harley Ray Street Hansler.

1667
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:30,239
These guys would beat the hell out of you and

1668
01:30:30,279 --> 01:30:32,960
they said whoop just about anybody that drue and broaded.

1669
01:30:33,039 --> 01:30:36,039
You know. They were just big rugged guys. Hogo was

1670
01:30:36,079 --> 01:30:38,439
not a street fighter. These guys were. And so what

1671
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,359
happened was when you go to Japan, you go to

1672
01:30:40,399 --> 01:30:42,199
these countries. I used to hang around to Aaron Sheep

1673
01:30:42,399 --> 01:30:45,039
that was my runner in Darn Morocco. He was my

1674
01:30:45,239 --> 01:30:47,560
running budd. It's in you. You stayed the gun life.

1675
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,199
I want to go destroy get something the Sheik and

1676
01:30:50,279 --> 01:30:52,199
Morocco would go with me. If Hoga want to go

1677
01:30:52,319 --> 01:30:54,600
get something, Stam would go whoop me. So you're getting

1678
01:30:54,640 --> 01:31:00,479
real close where you're in a farm country. Because see

1679
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,800
novel soccer, the guy usually drive the bus and he

1680
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:09,439
told me one time, he said, I like you, but

1681
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:13,560
I don't like I don't like Americans. I see. I said,

1682
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:15,920
that's what you guys tell me. I got a picture

1683
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:17,600
of him. The name was Peter. He drove the bus

1684
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:22,199
and he said, I like you, but I don't like America. Yes,

1685
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:26,600
And I said why not? He said, my father was

1686
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,760
one hundred miles away when he dropped the bomb and

1687
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,239
he melt it. He melt it in his shoe.

1688
01:31:32,399 --> 01:31:33,520
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, that'll do it.

1689
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,319
Speaker 1: That's what the guy told me. His father melt in

1690
01:31:36,399 --> 01:31:39,479
his shoe. He was one hundred miles away. And I said, well, well,

1691
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,520
I'm an America. He said, not to them, you are,

1692
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,960
I see, because I was black. He didn't consider me

1693
01:31:46,119 --> 01:31:51,680
as Paul America. That help what he felt, you know.

1694
01:31:52,359 --> 01:31:54,800
And so when we go over seas, I went to

1695
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:56,960
break and all these trays said we were bombed. We

1696
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,640
didn't let him a bomb, but we had to look

1697
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:04,439
after each other. When you're in a foreign country, we

1698
01:32:05,279 --> 01:32:08,159
hulk always. But he talked about going to Japan in eighty.

1699
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:10,439
When he started. He would always say, you know, I

1700
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,600
was single back then. He always says single. I know.

1701
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:14,399
Speaker 2: He had a couple of girlfriends out there. Did you

1702
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:16,840
ever see Hulk kind of living it up in Japan?

1703
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:25,520
Speaker 1: Well, I would know Holman being like a one woman man. Okay, yep,

1704
01:32:26,279 --> 01:32:29,920
the Holder right know, he's always stuck with one uh sure,

1705
01:32:31,079 --> 01:32:33,720
one one woman. He didn't like all the mess of

1706
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,520
the law because I think I think he was homophobe.

1707
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:40,119
I'm not homophone, but durma jerremophobic.

1708
01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:44,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, yeah, yeah yeah yeah your paranoim.

1709
01:32:44,399 --> 01:32:48,119
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he'll he'll burke clean. You know some girls,

1710
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,079
these girls definitely to call him Arina rat. They would

1711
01:32:51,079 --> 01:32:53,800
go to your room, Do you go to my room?

1712
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,880
Do me go to Holer room? They would do two

1713
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:01,000
or three guys that night without washing. I mean it

1714
01:33:01,079 --> 01:33:03,119
was fun. It was was wild. Back then we come

1715
01:33:03,159 --> 01:33:05,560
to the sex far, so you had to be real Casso.

1716
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,199
There was a lot of guys came back with diseases

1717
01:33:08,279 --> 01:33:10,560
and stuff. The last day Holder wanted to do is

1718
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:14,840
go over there, Casser fucking deserve especially when you overseas.

1719
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,840
I mean, come on, now, you oversee they don't have

1720
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,720
the same stuff that we do. That when I was

1721
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,399
in Africa, the last thing I want to do go

1722
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:27,520
to be one in Africans got it? Got it?

1723
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:28,039
Speaker 2: Did you?

1724
01:33:28,279 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 1: What did you say? You live in a mud hunt?

1725
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:37,880
Do you think I'm going to bed with you washing

1726
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:41,760
yourself in a foot tub? You think I was no

1727
01:33:42,079 --> 01:33:44,159
dog in the housing? I'm gonna go to bed rick?

1728
01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:49,880
You right right? Did I mean you crap? Crept the

1729
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:52,800
banana tree? You want me to have seck with? Got

1730
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:54,800
you the banana tree? Though?

1731
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,159
Speaker 2: So Tony, when Halt took off in eighty four and

1732
01:33:59,239 --> 01:34:01,920
he got the belt and he it was this worldwide superstar.

1733
01:34:02,079 --> 01:34:04,319
What were your thoughts you worked with him when he

1734
01:34:04,359 --> 01:34:06,720
first came to New York in nineteen eighty and nineteen

1735
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,680
eighty one, What did you think when you saw this

1736
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:10,520
guy become the biggest wrestler ever.

1737
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:18,079
Speaker 1: I loved it, we all all. I hope I'll be

1738
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:21,319
on the same call as him, of course. Yeah, I

1739
01:34:21,399 --> 01:34:24,159
mean I was on a call with Holgum. I was

1740
01:34:24,239 --> 01:34:30,359
making eight nine thousand dollars a week, incredible money. Yeah,

1741
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,640
before I was making twenty five thirty five hundred a week.

1742
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:35,119
Speaker 2: Did it make sense to you that he could draw

1743
01:34:35,279 --> 01:34:38,000
like that considering you know the whole gun he used

1744
01:34:38,039 --> 01:34:38,159
to know?

1745
01:34:39,079 --> 01:34:41,359
Speaker 1: Like I said, it was just something about him that

1746
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:44,760
people just I mean they wanted to see the hunks,

1747
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:49,880
I mean Hawk Maleia wrestling business is what it is

1748
01:34:50,079 --> 01:34:55,640
now because of two people. Two people haulk Hogan and missed.

1749
01:34:55,640 --> 01:35:00,159
But man, we wouldn't have worked with anybody else. It

1750
01:35:00,319 --> 01:35:04,439
was a perfect It's something that comes around once in

1751
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:08,079
a while, like a Muhammad al league. I mean, Tryson

1752
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:12,680
came close, but nothing like our league. You know that,

1753
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:16,359
like Larry Bird, I mean you know these certain guys,

1754
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:19,760
they just come along maybe once every hundred years. You

1755
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,479
get a guy like that that would have that type

1756
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:26,359
of ability and to set up to bring that sport

1757
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,000
to a top level.

1758
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and so you.

1759
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,319
Speaker 1: Know he just he would hit the hit.

1760
01:35:33,079 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 8: And you know who's the main thing that that the

1761
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:45,640
Mainhoven Andre No, the.

1762
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:51,399
Speaker 1: Al tootal hamincause Iron Sheik. Yeah, no, he held American

1763
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:55,159
hostygen I was there when to put the belt on

1764
01:35:55,199 --> 01:36:00,880
the street. You know what then bigger fear was keeping

1765
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:06,039
him alive. Yeah. The Sheet is the first wrestler to

1766
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:10,840
have bodyguard, the first wrestle they have body God. They

1767
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:12,840
had a hard time getting him in out of the arena.

1768
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:16,239
People wanted to kill him. And when Hogan beats him,

1769
01:36:16,319 --> 01:36:20,800
that night, brother, the place has exploded and it and

1770
01:36:21,359 --> 01:36:23,920
they stayed and they stayed at that level for what

1771
01:36:24,199 --> 01:36:31,399
ten years? Twenty years? Almost it exploded. We left. We

1772
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:35,319
couldn't do TV in doll Intown no more. We had

1773
01:36:35,359 --> 01:36:37,000
to go to the Silver sum and just to do

1774
01:36:37,159 --> 01:36:38,279
TV for Kipchick.

1775
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:39,199
Speaker 2: That's right.

1776
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:43,319
Speaker 1: We didn't do arenas anymore. We didn't do small vineas anymore.

1777
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:49,520
I mean everything was was Colosseum, then Simmer the stadiums.

1778
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:53,680
We had to go to rest Ma had to go

1779
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:54,520
to the stadium.

1780
01:36:55,319 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 2: Amazing.

1781
01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean the career, what a story that Tony Allison

1782
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,399
a bum went off of something because of this guy.

1783
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,520
You guy was on everything Talk showed the whole world

1784
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,319
was talking about Uncle Mania. Yeah it was.

1785
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:11,039
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get there as we go through

1786
01:37:11,079 --> 01:37:13,199
his career. But last question for you, Tony, we asked

1787
01:37:13,239 --> 01:37:15,399
this of everybody, we have one to talk about Hulk.

1788
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:17,079
What was your reaction when you found out that he

1789
01:37:17,159 --> 01:37:17,760
had passed away?

1790
01:37:24,079 --> 01:37:24,279
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1791
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:32,079
Speaker 2: Did we lose him? Tony? There I heard a beep.

1792
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:47,239
He probably killed the cell phone. Maybe he didn't want

1793
01:37:47,239 --> 01:37:47,880
to answer the question.

1794
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:05,399
Speaker 1: But anyway, can you hear me now?

1795
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 2: Yes we can, Tony I'm very sorry. Did you hear

1796
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:08,399
my last question?

1797
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 1: See what happened that the sheep? What the first profile

1798
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:14,439
is selling out there? Bet everybody want to see the

1799
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:17,760
sheep get beaten, right right? So they did? They are

1800
01:38:19,239 --> 01:38:25,199
uh definitely go back a little bit. It almost not

1801
01:38:25,319 --> 01:38:29,159
has happened because back Onam refused to drop the belt

1802
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:32,600
to Hogan. What they had to take the belt off

1803
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:36,720
of off of Backham and show what they did? They

1804
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:40,000
had They put the Aaron Sheek in against Backham to

1805
01:38:40,039 --> 01:38:42,479
get the belt off of back Rum when Bakla did

1806
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:44,920
not want to do it. So it had never happened

1807
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:47,479
in wrestling before the card number one gave you know

1808
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,760
how they got the belt off of Backrum through the

1809
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:53,840
towel end without telling Bobby each Why didn't Bob want

1810
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:57,600
to lose the belt to Hult Here he paid his due?

1811
01:38:57,880 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 2: Oh, for God's sake, he wrestled with him the nineteen

1812
01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:01,000
eight hundred times.

1813
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:06,319
Speaker 1: Got just how. That's how the old towners learn, That's

1814
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:10,439
just how they were. See, I did not like losing

1815
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:13,359
to anybody that can beat me in real life. Okay,

1816
01:39:14,119 --> 01:39:17,520
that's how we were. But we had this idea that

1817
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:19,399
I put you over in the rain and you go

1818
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:21,479
out to the local bar and the local bouncer beat

1819
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:23,880
you butt. That hurts me because I just put you over,

1820
01:39:24,039 --> 01:39:27,359
got it? See Hallow Race. I put Hallow Race over

1821
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:30,640
all day long. But when some of guys like holding them,

1822
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:34,319
they couldn't shoot. They were not shooter. And most of

1823
01:39:34,359 --> 01:39:37,640
the wrestled backs and old they will shooter. They was wrestler,

1824
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:42,399
they were not. They were all tough guy. They going

1825
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:45,520
to ball. Terry Funk got his reputation him and hollow

1826
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:50,600
Race got from the rain the ball fights, bar fights, Yep,

1827
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,600
that's right. They going to bar. They cleared the front

1828
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:55,920
the ball, you know, one guy and run everybody out

1829
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,840
the bar. Hallow beat up everybody in the bar. And

1830
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,560
then the next days in the newspapers and the building,

1831
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:04,319
this show up. That's how Rafter would say, Oh tistic

1832
01:40:04,399 --> 01:40:07,840
by getting invalled, fight, getting up people. Yeah, that's how

1833
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:11,079
they did it. Fulka did that. He'd never proved of

1834
01:40:11,159 --> 01:40:12,239
him that he was a tough guy.

1835
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:15,359
Speaker 2: Hulked up in real life. Yeah, well I should ask you, Tony.

1836
01:40:15,359 --> 01:40:18,439
You know, because Lufrignan came out an incredible hulk in

1837
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:21,560
seventy nine, and that hulk comes along Terry gets involved

1838
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:23,279
in the business and they basically make him, you know,

1839
01:40:23,399 --> 01:40:25,319
the Incredible Hulk. And then I noticed a lot of

1840
01:40:25,359 --> 01:40:27,319
your comebacks were kind of like Incredible Hulk. Did you

1841
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:29,800
did you pattern anything you did in the ring after

1842
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:33,760
the loof Forigno stuff? No, there it is, okay.

1843
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:38,199
Speaker 1: I wrested by instinct. You see. The old time they

1844
01:40:38,279 --> 01:40:41,399
did that. We didn't comp anybody else for what we

1845
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:44,399
would do. We would try and move in the ring

1846
01:40:45,399 --> 01:40:49,279
and if if the people buy, we keep doing it. Well,

1847
01:40:49,279 --> 01:40:51,119
I'll tell you something that I did that hold him

1848
01:40:51,319 --> 01:40:55,039
got from me. That putting the hand up to the ear.

1849
01:40:55,279 --> 01:40:57,920
That another one, Yet he got that from me. And

1850
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:02,279
guess where I got it from? Where Dusty Road? I

1851
01:41:02,359 --> 01:41:04,239
saw dust due in the in the in the armory

1852
01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:06,399
in Atlanta, so I did it. I went to New York,

1853
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:11,359
but Dusty got it from from the boat Politan. But

1854
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:13,880
there was territory. There was no cable, so I could

1855
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,039
do something in Georgia, and people in New York didn't.

1856
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 2: Say it right unless they had cable.

1857
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:23,039
Speaker 1: But now you do something in order to see it

1858
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:28,760
in Japan. So we so most stuff that we did

1859
01:41:29,039 --> 01:41:33,159
we saw like sputt the Monroe. Damn Raine cadillact man.

1860
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,359
Def where Rick Flaird got that from spud the Monroe.

1861
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,680
They were the first dam Raine cadillact man. It wasn't

1862
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:42,319
it was sput the Monroe.

1863
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 2: Love it origins origins, We love it Tony Well.

1864
01:41:48,319 --> 01:41:52,039
Speaker 1: Nobody knew about sputting because he small territories. He never

1865
01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:57,000
made it like Mulla Muda was what it was. They

1866
01:41:57,079 --> 01:41:58,760
call her slave girl.

1867
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 2: Yes, slave Girlmla when she started yeah, the.

1868
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:04,760
Speaker 1: Famine mo and then she started off which she was

1869
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:09,039
his manager and spent in my role manager. But you

1870
01:42:09,079 --> 01:42:10,560
could do stuff in different.

1871
01:42:10,359 --> 01:42:13,560
Speaker 9: Territory like we'd hope of the hope of the dud

1872
01:42:14,359 --> 01:42:20,600
an interview in uh, North Carolina could call me a

1873
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:24,279
brown monket, but that interview.

1874
01:42:24,119 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 1: Would not fly in New York.

1875
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 2: In New York, right, that's it?

1876
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:28,319
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1877
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what was What was your thoughts when he

1878
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,359
left in eighty one? What do you remember about him

1879
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:34,279
leaving the territory?

1880
01:42:35,399 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 1: You mean we went winter arn? Yeah, you talk about

1881
01:42:40,039 --> 01:42:40,479
hold them.

1882
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 2: Right, Hogan? Yeah, yeah, when he left because you were

1883
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:44,760
his last opponent in New York in that run, you

1884
01:42:45,159 --> 01:42:46,720
he beat you beat him twice in the garden.

1885
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:49,760
Speaker 1: You beat him in the spectrum, and we were kind

1886
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:52,760
of disappointed because I was hoping to work with him,

1887
01:42:53,079 --> 01:42:55,399
like I told, but Tom and Rich try to get

1888
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:58,039
him to uh to do hang with me and Hope

1889
01:42:58,039 --> 01:43:00,880
and then only just wouldn't go for her. Yeah, we

1890
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,560
were nobody, Yeah, we were. We were disappointed because we

1891
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:05,159
figured we could have made some money with him.

1892
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:08,560
Speaker 2: Do you remember when he left Vince the first time,

1893
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:11,279
Vince Senior being thinking you'd never see him again.

1894
01:43:11,239 --> 01:43:14,079
Speaker 1: Or that's what we all thought. I mean you would

1895
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:19,840
until he made that movie. Yeah, nobody really be armed

1896
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:21,399
with that paid him in an attention.

1897
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:22,279
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1898
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:27,399
Speaker 1: He was not a wrestler. He was not that good

1899
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:34,800
as a wrastler. He didn't do wrestling. Move think about

1900
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:35,600
him wrestling.

1901
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing it right now.

1902
01:43:39,279 --> 01:43:44,239
Speaker 1: Everything standing up, Everything is standing up. Nothing on the mat,

1903
01:43:45,119 --> 01:43:49,479
very little, very little. That's what the rest these guys was.

1904
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:54,239
They look at things from a wrestler point of view only.

1905
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:58,199
And that's why Vince Senior never US holder because Bob

1906
01:43:58,279 --> 01:43:59,800
Backman was a rastler.

1907
01:44:00,239 --> 01:44:01,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, big contrast.

1908
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 1: But the world changed and the wrestling board the crap

1909
01:44:06,079 --> 01:44:11,640
out of the fan. They were getting bored with. Let

1910
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:15,239
me and Kim Boteroll, for example, we raise a whole match,

1911
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:19,760
and that's what we did, the whole match ahead lock.

1912
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:25,279
The people are bought in there. I mean we used

1913
01:44:25,279 --> 01:44:27,359
to get a hope and the job, and then you

1914
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:30,640
could work a hope for ten to fifteen minutes. Yeah,

1915
01:44:32,079 --> 01:44:33,640
the by hub, he fight to get out of the

1916
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:36,439
bay hud, the guy lift mom or drop off lift

1917
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,800
moarm drop off fat. I hit him, I hit him

1918
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:40,399
my head, but I get out of the bay hub

1919
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:42,439
and then all of a sudden, I'll go over to

1920
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:44,000
get him. He raked mind took me back to the

1921
01:44:44,039 --> 01:44:52,399
bay Hood. People got bored with old the old school

1922
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:57,279
wrestling because it was a different generation of people. See

1923
01:44:57,319 --> 01:45:00,640
the guys that trained me, they came out of the sixties,

1924
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:04,720
the fifties and sixties. Yes, the guy that taught me

1925
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:10,760
so my Motalitian was wrestling in the sixties and the

1926
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:14,840
fifties and sixties. Now I met Johnny Weaver. He was

1927
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:20,760
in his forties, he'd been wrestling for twenty years. You know,

1928
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:24,720
claud Might, Bill Jack Mulligam. Them guys started in the sixties.

1929
01:45:25,239 --> 01:45:27,239
Speaker 2: Totally different mentality, right.

1930
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:32,159
Speaker 1: So Rake Flower came along in the seventies. Old in

1931
01:45:32,279 --> 01:45:37,119
reality didn't come along to the eighties. He saw it

1932
01:45:37,199 --> 01:45:40,720
in the late seventies, and it was almost the eighties

1933
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:42,800
was coming along and the whole came into business. For sure,

1934
01:45:43,079 --> 01:45:46,760
I saw it. I started in the seventies, So the

1935
01:45:47,239 --> 01:45:50,920
motality of the building was totally totally different than the

1936
01:45:51,039 --> 01:45:55,319
eighties and definitely than nineties. About nineteen ninety, guess what

1937
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:57,079
the fans didn't like? No more.

1938
01:45:58,399 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 2: Wrestling? Oh no Hulkgan, Mike Tyson, No, no Steve Austin,

1939
01:46:07,399 --> 01:46:11,319
the good guy ah oh chure speaking of Steve, Yeah,

1940
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:13,119
the anti hero, Adam true Earl.

1941
01:46:13,279 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 1: Nobody liked the good guys in the good Guy was born.

1942
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:19,800
They didn't like him. They called ball back with how

1943
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:22,239
do the duty? How the duty? Why do you back?

1944
01:46:22,319 --> 01:46:24,399
Home of turned heel w w c's w.

1945
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well we all saw that play out. Absolutely we're gonna.

1946
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:30,560
Speaker 1: Get there, the home of Repino being a business man

1947
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:34,640
that people did not like good guys in the boat.

1948
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:37,199
So what if everybody became a bad guy, it just

1949
01:46:37,399 --> 01:46:39,560
worse and worse, worse and worse.

1950
01:46:40,119 --> 01:46:42,119
Speaker 2: Well, it's had a great tour through the history of

1951
01:46:42,159 --> 01:46:43,760
the business, Tony, we got a lot more than we

1952
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:45,880
bargained for I want to ask you one final question.

1953
01:46:46,359 --> 01:46:47,800
It was the one I asked when we lost our

1954
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:51,119
phone connection there. What was your reaction when you heard

1955
01:46:51,159 --> 01:46:52,399
that Hulk Cogan had passed away?

1956
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:58,800
Speaker 1: I cried, Oh did you really well? See? I just oh,

1957
01:47:01,239 --> 01:47:04,880
I just drew a picture of him. So he got baptized,

1958
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:09,079
and I mailed a picture to him, and then I

1959
01:47:09,399 --> 01:47:11,840
sent him some coffee. I asked him when he signed

1960
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:16,159
the coppage for me, and he signed the coffee, and

1961
01:47:16,359 --> 01:47:18,840
uh saw him back Timmy and me and him we

1962
01:47:19,039 --> 01:47:22,840
talked and then he thanked me for the what I

1963
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:26,159
said about him about his daughter. That he's trying to

1964
01:47:26,199 --> 01:47:29,079
protect his daughter because the guy Oga knew, the guy

1965
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:31,920
who would try to use his daughter to get close

1966
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:35,079
to him. Once he found out, once he found out

1967
01:47:35,159 --> 01:47:39,000
that that uh that uh, he couldn't get close to Oga,

1968
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:42,199
he dropped that woman like a bad habit. He's not

1969
01:47:42,319 --> 01:47:45,680
with her now, the black guy, he's not with her now,

1970
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:50,119
right right, correct, exactly because and and Rastler knew that

1971
01:47:50,199 --> 01:47:52,079
a lot of guy would try to be with your daughter,

1972
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:56,279
get with you because he's famous and witch, you know,

1973
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:59,359
so he saidured that he did. He's gonta Tragnan and

1974
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:01,800
once he gets a friend him, but he's set hober

1975
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:04,840
gonna take care of him for that woman. And what

1976
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:09,439
he was thinking, Yeah, Holga been around the block. Ober

1977
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:15,039
knew a bad guy for his daughter. Goodness. Yeah, had

1978
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:17,640
nothing to do with his nationality because me and Hogan

1979
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:21,399
we talked, there's black people and then there's niggas. Okay,

1980
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:23,600
so Hogan that would he was not a black.

1981
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:24,680
Speaker 2: Man, Okay.

1982
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:27,479
Speaker 1: He was one of these guy that tryed to spunge

1983
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:29,960
off of Coogan and Holger knew that if it was

1984
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:31,640
the white guy, Homer had a name for him to

1985
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:37,640
do that too, not doing had not do it his

1986
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:39,880
for his your sir, and the way Hoga felt that

1987
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:41,680
this guy was not the best guy for his dog,

1988
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:44,359
for his daughter. He had angered him, then his daughter

1989
01:48:44,399 --> 01:48:45,439
would not listen to him.

1990
01:48:46,039 --> 01:48:51,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, this comes up in the context of him passing away.

1991
01:48:51,159 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 1: How Yeah, well, he's thank me for for standing up

1992
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:58,720
for this was three weeks before he died. I talked

1993
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:02,000
to him three before he died. Wow, but you always

1994
01:49:02,039 --> 01:49:04,640
called me call me after I need anything. He got

1995
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:06,479
mad at me where I was homeless because I didn't

1996
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:09,800
call him. Yeah, I said, hold on, I didn't have

1997
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:12,760
no fall I was doing. He said, brother, if you

1998
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:14,960
other need something, you should have called me brother. He

1999
01:49:15,039 --> 01:49:17,720
didn't call me brother. He said, I'm so kissed at

2000
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:19,560
you for not calling me. He said, when I hear

2001
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:25,680
that about my brother. Another time, I was in uh, Florida,

2002
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,600
and I went into the hold doing all of thatps

2003
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:30,680
and I went in and said hi to him, and

2004
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:33,119
one guy say hey, I got lucky. He said. I

2005
01:49:33,239 --> 01:49:36,119
came here hoping I see one legend. I end up

2006
01:49:36,159 --> 01:49:39,079
seeing two over you and Tony ad He said, Brother,

2007
01:49:39,159 --> 01:49:42,159
I don't see Tony Adlers as a legend. I see

2008
01:49:42,279 --> 01:49:47,520
him as my friend. Say so, I see holding as

2009
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:49,239
my friend. So I can see why you.

2010
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:52,479
Speaker 2: Hear about.

2011
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 1: We started to gotta mean Tommy Rich. You know, we

2012
01:49:57,039 --> 01:50:01,079
were like it was like a family. And Huldan always

2013
01:50:01,119 --> 01:50:04,039
looked after me. He never did me wrong, number talk

2014
01:50:04,199 --> 01:50:06,840
bad to me. We would talk about anything, and if

2015
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:08,720
I got in trouble, he would pull me over the side,

2016
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:12,039
said brother, let me tell you this, do that that,

2017
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:15,680
and and people say he's racing. He put his life,

2018
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:19,359
his career on the land for Coco. B were Coco

2019
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:23,640
beat up an agent. There's fire co Cooke Holgo went

2020
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:27,800
to the office. He said, if if Coke Coo B

2021
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:33,760
were a lead, I'm leaving true Coco is a black man,

2022
01:50:34,159 --> 01:50:36,119
sure is? You know what I'm saying.

2023
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked to him. I don't remember mentioning this,

2024
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:39,359
but that's wild. What what agent was it?

2025
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:44,600
Speaker 1: Uh? He was he used to be a hockey player

2026
01:50:45,239 --> 01:50:47,760
Jimmy staud I thought Jim Troy story. Okay, yeah that

2027
01:50:48,159 --> 01:50:50,840
he was kind of a Jim Yeah, something like that.

2028
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:51,720
You can play hockey.

2029
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:54,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a TV executive for Vince Yeah.

2030
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. But see, it didn't start with him and started

2031
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:01,399
with Sean Michaels. Right. Yeahko went over to break it up,

2032
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:06,600
and he turned on Coco. See, Coco was not involved

2033
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:09,399
in the fighting. It was sewn Michael. Sewn. Michael couldn't

2034
01:51:09,399 --> 01:51:12,079
walk away up a wet paper bag. So so so

2035
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:16,319
so the bar tend to go over around. The boss say, hey,

2036
01:51:16,399 --> 01:51:18,159
these guys getting ready to fight, and you go there

2037
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:21,079
and break it up. So Coco went over to break

2038
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:24,680
up the fight ended up in the fight. See see.

2039
01:51:26,359 --> 01:51:30,279
But but but then Hopah stood up for him. He

2040
01:51:30,359 --> 01:51:34,560
stood up for me too. Wow. Yep. When I came back,

2041
01:51:35,239 --> 01:51:38,199
if they wanted to fire me minute, he said, he said,

2042
01:51:38,319 --> 01:51:41,479
let me talk to Tony. Hey came and talked. They

2043
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:44,520
told me that story that I just told you about

2044
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:47,479
the old Tony Adams and a new tone happen and

2045
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:49,840
Mans wanted to let me go then, and hope he

2046
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:50,640
talked him out of it.

2047
01:51:52,359 --> 01:51:54,159
Speaker 2: So those are the things you think about when when

2048
01:51:54,199 --> 01:51:55,159
he won.

2049
01:51:56,119 --> 01:51:57,840
Speaker 1: For a lot of people, well, Holo was the type

2050
01:51:57,840 --> 01:51:59,560
of guy he would do something, but not go around

2051
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:02,760
bragging a body. Yeah, so he did a lot that

2052
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:05,319
people didn't know because he kept it on the rack.

2053
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:08,880
Speaker 2: Very very interesting stuff. Tony, thank you so much for

2054
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:12,039
taking us into your memories of Hulk, working with him,

2055
01:52:12,079 --> 01:52:14,359
knowing him so personally. I didn't appreciate how close you

2056
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:14,880
were with him.

2057
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:20,479
Speaker 1: And we've put down Holger. Put this down for Holger,

2058
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:26,119
for this is the real Hobo. Hobo neil for God,

2059
01:52:27,359 --> 01:52:33,319
stand for the flag. His belief is God country and Seth.

2060
01:52:35,199 --> 01:52:41,039
So if the three were Deshrine is God country and.

2061
01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:43,640
Speaker 2: Seth sounds like an American Fourth of July to me,

2062
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:47,079
Thank you, mister USA. Tony at Well, that was him.

2063
01:52:48,119 --> 01:52:53,600
Speaker 1: That's all that I knew for what fifty years, I've

2064
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:55,239
never seen anything differently what I told you.

2065
01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:00,199
Speaker 2: We can salute that mister USA, Tony at let's kind

2066
01:53:00,279 --> 01:53:02,399
enough to join us to reflect on Hulk Hogan. Thank

2067
01:53:02,399 --> 01:53:02,840
you so much.

2068
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:05,079
Speaker 1: Shameel Copper that paper when you're writer.

2069
01:53:05,279 --> 01:53:08,600
Speaker 2: Now, Oh, it's gonna be it's gonna be an audio podcast, Tony,

2070
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:09,840
so you can listen to the whole thing.

2071
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:13,840
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well you gotta tell me how to hear that.

2072
01:53:14,039 --> 01:53:17,079
Speaker 2: And yeah, well we'll try to get you the link.

2073
01:53:17,159 --> 01:53:18,520
So you just tap it on your phone and you

2074
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:19,640
should be able to start hearing it.

2075
01:53:20,119 --> 01:53:23,079
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna have my buttons to say to take

2076
01:53:23,119 --> 01:53:24,960
a picture of me so you can see what I

2077
01:53:25,039 --> 01:53:25,359
look like.

2078
01:53:25,479 --> 01:53:26,359
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it.

2079
01:53:27,279 --> 01:53:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know I'm a black guy, right, Yeah, that

2080
01:53:31,239 --> 01:53:34,520
came That came up a couple of times. I thought,

2081
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:35,840
I'm more surprised you with it.

2082
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:40,840
Speaker 2: Okay, you all the best to you, Tony. Take care, thanks, Tony.

2083
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:47,119
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, please a production on the Lab Entertainment Group.

2084
01:53:47,319 --> 01:53:49,800
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