WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.759 The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch 2 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:06.400 Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors, 3 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:10.839 or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion 4 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:11.880 is advised. 5 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:20.079 We got someone or something crawling around out here? 6 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:26.839 Does a legend walk among us working in the forests 7 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:27.920 of our world? 8 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:33.920 Did you see what it was? Was it a person 9 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:34.600 or an animal? 10 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:36.640 Or I can't go? Oh, I know as if my 11 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:38.880 thunder light came on and I heard happened to glen 12 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:41.560 and see this thing running across the yard A good 13 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:44.159 fight man or something works like a man. I don't 14 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:44.719 know what it was. 15 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:54.840 For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, 16 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:59.000 and witnesses trying to gain insight and truth around the 17 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:01.479 existence of this mysterious entity. 18 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:09.560 Jesus quite ar, Hello, get somebody out here. 19 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:10.879 What's going to announce there? 20 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:13.280 I thought of amits about six foot nine? 21 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:13.760 I don't know? 22 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:18.359 Easy announced there? Yeah, I'm working right ry Oh, okay, 23 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:22.280 hand on her, Yeah, got it's big? 24 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:24.159 Okay, what's he doing in your yard? 25 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:25.159 We're going to. 26 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:37.359 Join us as we continue into the investigation of the 27 00:01:37.439 --> 00:02:02.840 Sasquatch Experience. And good evening, everybody, Welcome to the Sasquatch 28 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:07.079 Experience for Monday, October twenty eighth, twenty twenty four. It's 29 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:08.919 almost well, it is the end of October. It's not 30 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:12.360 the almost end of October. It's here, and which means 31 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:14.199 we're getting close to the end of the year twenty 32 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:17.639 twenty four. And that's frightening because this year has gone 33 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:22.240 incredibly fast. And if you noticed, we are sparse and 34 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:25.039 hosts tonight, but we make up for it with quality 35 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:28.759 of guests. And our guest tonight is someone I'm a 36 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:31.560 huge fan of and she's one of the greatest people 37 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:37.039 I know, probably one of the most talented researchers I know. 38 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:39.319 And I don't use researchers as in just boots on 39 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:42.520 the ground. I mean I can give Heather a task 40 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:47.360 or a subject and in days I'll probably be the 41 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:51.280 most knowledgeable person on that subject. I kid you not, folks. 42 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:54.439 It's a talent and she's amazing, and it's Heather Moser 43 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:57.759 of course, probably from small Town Monsters fame, but you know, 44 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:00.680 she's the host of the lore. You know. Now, I 45 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:06.199 also believe jumping on Monster Opolis, Yes, which is pretty cool, 46 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:08.680 one of my favorite podcasts to tune into. Now back 47 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:12.599 from Hiatus. So, Heather Man, thanks for joining us tonight. 48 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:15.439 I was really tickled you agreed to come on. Not 49 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:18.240 been on our show before, so we're just glad you're here. 50 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.000 Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here. 51 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:24.319 And of course you've been nice to have us on. 52 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:28.479 We'll have me on The Lord, you know. And it's 53 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:32.199 always great to kind of cross pollinate these programs and 54 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:33.759 get them out to the masses, because this is what 55 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:37.919 it's all about, information and entertainment. I don't think you 56 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:40.840 can have one without the other anymore. Small Town Monsters, 57 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:43.319 I think is a great example of that. And Matt, 58 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:45.599 I would be remiss if I didn't also acknowledge you, 59 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:47.159 you handsome man up there in the corner. 60 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:51.319 Thank you very much. Thank you so and I am 61 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:55.159 super excited to talk to Heather tonight. On the one thing, 62 00:03:55.520 --> 00:04:00.400 and I'll just kind of go through my little knowledge 63 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:06.120 on her background is she has always been obviously our 64 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:11.599 our go to person, Sean if you needed information, if 65 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:15.879 you need a Lord, you need a history. But again 66 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:18.040 you brought up that this is the end of October. 67 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:22.199 We're coming up on Halloween, and Heather is not just 68 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:25.759 you know, known in the crypto world, but also the 69 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:29.480 paranormal world. So hopefully we can get some get some 70 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.480 good paranormal information from her as well tonight. 71 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.839 So we'll take it wherever the conversation goes, my friend, really, 72 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:40.079 So that's where it's at, Heather. You know, we everybody 73 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:43.240 always wants to know the genesis of how people get involved. 74 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:45.680 I want to know how you got started in this, 75 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:47.839 but I want to know also how you've honed this 76 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:52.519 amazing research ability that you have. 77 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:59.879 Well, I have been researching significantly since college. Actually I 78 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.279 learned a lot of the tools that I have going 79 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.759 to different databases and whatnot while I was in college 80 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:10.639 during my undergrad and graduate work, and that was something 81 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:15.079 that I missed doing a lot, was that really deep research, 82 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.040 like going to the libraries and opening up the books 83 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:21.040 or getting into archives online and things like that. So 84 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:26.160 whenever I heard about small town Monsters, then that had 85 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:29.160 my attention. Minerva Monster did of course, because I grew 86 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.879 up next to Minerva, and I mean, word gets around 87 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:35.680 when they're making a documentary about next to your hometown. 88 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:39.079 So I started paying attention to Small Town Monsters from 89 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:42.360 the beginning, and after a while I told Seth, hey, 90 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:45.480 you know, if you want a researcher, I'd be willing 91 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:49.000 to help you because I really missed doing that. I 92 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:53.720 had already graduated and just missed that deep research and 93 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:57.439 then to research stuff that's super fun, like the paranormal, 94 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:01.279 because that started I started with the Bell, which that's 95 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:05.720 what the bridge was there to get involved with STM. 96 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:10.839 But between paranormal encryptids, I mean, there's not much more 97 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:15.480 fun out there to look into as far as that goes. 98 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:18.879 Right now, Before you joined Small Town Monsters, you did 99 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:22.680 do paranormal investigating, correct, were you weren't a novice in 100 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:23.959 this field? 101 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:29.000 Yeah? Yeah, I had been investigating and actually one of 102 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:32.600 the first I guess not the first thing, but one 103 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:34.680 of the early on projects that we had was a 104 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.279 short lived thing called on the Trail of Hauntings that 105 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:42.120 I got to host, So that was a little foray 106 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:45.079 into paranormal. But yes, I had been investigating and doing 107 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.000 research into that, and it's something that I've been interested 108 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.639 in since I was little. I mean just just a 109 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:54.800 kid watching unsolved mysteries growing up and hearing stories from 110 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:56.879 my mom about growing up in a haunted house, and 111 00:06:57.680 --> 00:06:59.279 it's just something that's always been there. 112 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.759 It's amazing to see how that's kind of synonymous with 113 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:05.680 a lot of us in the field unsolved mysteries, Right, 114 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:09.680 Robert Stack, I don't know if I ever thought i'd 115 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.720 be doing a podcast at some point in my life, 116 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:16.560 you know about unexplained phenomena and sasquatch. But the one 117 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:18.680 thing that always disappointed me is I never smoked enough 118 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.519 cigarettes to get that voice like Robert Stack, which is 119 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:23.959 okay because I don't have the health issues he had either, 120 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.759 but correct. You know, it's just funny how many of 121 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:30.279 us were started by things like unsolved mysteries because when 122 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.519 we were younger, we didn't have small town monsters. We 123 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:39.360 didn't have a lot of information out there like we 124 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:45.120 do today. And I stress that because this generation of 125 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.399 researchers really has the world at its fingertips and this 126 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:53.399 massive amount of information that didn't exist. And Heather, you're 127 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:57.639 part of that creation of that that information that folks have, 128 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.680 which is a pretty awesome thing to think about. You know, 129 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:05.639 we we've and you know the fact that I think 130 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:11.079 that you you being a female investigator makes it even 131 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:14.279 more special because up until recently we've had a few 132 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:16.759 over the years, but you know, you're kind of trend 133 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:19.920 setting and becoming a role model and and you know, 134 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:25.160 an inspiration for a new generation of younger investigators. 135 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:29.879 That's awesome. That's exciting to think about. I don't think 136 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:35.120 about that often, but yeah, that's wow because I'm thinking 137 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:39.440 of you know, you messaging me about Joan Jeffers, researching 138 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:43.639 into her, and you know, she didn't get the recognition 139 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:48.679 that she should have had all so it was interesting 140 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:51.399 to look into some of the work that she had 141 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:54.000 done and the people that she'd worked alongside that we 142 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:57.399 do know today, and her name should be out there 143 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:00.639 as well, so. 144 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:05.600 I know, right no, and you know, and again, folks, 145 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:08.799 what we're referencing is there was a lady investigara named 146 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:14.519 Joon Jeffers, who's probably not probably is a very unsung 147 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.600 part of the UFO kind of Bigfoot phenomena in the 148 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.399 late sixties early seventies, a contemporary of Stan Gordon and 149 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:25.080 doctor Paul Johnson and other folks, and she worked with 150 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:30.000 a wide array of individuals, but she's often overlooked in 151 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:35.240 today's literature and I always had a soft spot for 152 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.399 Joan because I and Heather Coday, because I hit a wall, 153 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:42.120 so I tagged Heather in. I said, I got this problem. 154 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:46.840 There's this lady that deserves to be recognized for the 155 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.279 work she's done, and I can't find anything about her. 156 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.080 And I swear for the longest time, Heather, I thought 157 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.279 I made this woman up. I really did. And her 158 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:00.000 name was Joan Jeffers and she was from Bradford, pennsylvani 159 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:03.840 But again, she had some experiences that kind of led 160 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:10.240 her into researching this phenomena. And she's I don't know 161 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:14.200 if it's by choice or if it's just by ego. 162 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:17.039 Has was kind of doctor Paul's the only one that 163 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:19.240 really acknowledges her contributions. 164 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:20.039 Two. 165 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.759 And it's very slight. I mean, and I'm not trying 166 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.720 to put anybody down, but when you when you're trying 167 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:30.360 to craft this this story around Joan, she just disappears 168 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:34.519 from Bigfoot, she disappears from UFO. And so I got 169 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:37.440 a hold of Heather and I said, Heather, I don't 170 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:38.919 know what to do, and Heather, you kind of want 171 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:39.519 to work on it. 172 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:44.600 Yeah, I found out she was a real person. You 173 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:48.879 did not invent her at all. I actually talked to 174 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:52.559 doctor Johnson and asked him about her, called him up 175 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:56.120 and got some info from him as well. But and 176 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:59.720 I'd tracked down some relatives to see if they were 177 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.559 willing to talk about her at all. And they were 178 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:04.840 going to be looking into their records because that was 179 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:06.240 the one thing we didn't know where all of her 180 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:10.639 research went, right, So they were going to be looking 181 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:12.279 into that, and we're going to get back to me. 182 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:17.639 I haven't heard from them, but yeah, she was involved 183 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:21.919 from a very early age. There were in even her family, 184 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:25.639 if I'm remembering correctly, had incidents that happened to them 185 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:28.200 when she was a young girl. So she was brought 186 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.799 into the community very young and then stayed with it 187 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:34.639 and became a It seemed like from everything I read 188 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:39.120 that she was almost like a backbone to the work 189 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:42.360 that she did. She was manning the telephone lines back 190 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:45.159 whenever people would like physically call on the telephone to 191 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:49.399 report stuff, and taking down notes and keeping all that 192 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:54.159 in line. So yeah, and it was UFOs and Bigfoot 193 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.200 because she had a hand in the UFO stuff as well, 194 00:11:58.240 --> 00:11:58.799 very much. So. 195 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.919 And as we uncover more, hopefully Heather and I do 196 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:04.679 something with the material, because she does have a story 197 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:07.840 that deserves to be told. You know, if you spend 198 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.279 time in this and you put the work in, whether 199 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:14.759 you're a page or a chapter, your story still deserves 200 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:17.799 to be told in this field. And I've always felt 201 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:21.879 bad that you know this lady and I didn't know 202 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:25.080 her personally, and I don't know why I developed such 203 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:27.559 a kinship with her and I don't know her, but 204 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:29.960 I don't know why it was so important to me, 205 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:32.000 but it was. And when Heather, you know, got a 206 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:33.840 hold of me and said, hey, I got information, I 207 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.559 had tears because I don't know. It was just really 208 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:40.120 important to me that she gets recognition for the work 209 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:42.639 she's done, and we're going to make sure at some 210 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.240 point in time that it happens. How it happens, I 211 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:49.840 don't know. But Heather was really the driving force to 212 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:52.039 get the info. She had a family, but it wasn't 213 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.840 a large family. It's not like it was incredibly expansive, 214 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:58.919 but it was very reclusive. It's not like they were 215 00:12:58.960 --> 00:12:59.799 just numping out. 216 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:02.919 Yeah, I'm just taking a note now to reach out 217 00:13:02.919 --> 00:13:05.679 again to that relative that i'd talked to to see 218 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.960 if there are any updates, because I know life gets busy, 219 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:11.279 So it does. 220 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:14.159 It does. Now, Heather, as you've gone through and done 221 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:19.919 research on all these topics, what's what has been one 222 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:25.000 of the more significant, maybe shocking revelations you've stumbled upon 223 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:27.440 while doing research on any of these topics. What's been 224 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:30.240 the most stand out thing you've uncovered? 225 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:36.399 Wow? Well, it would probably have to do with just 226 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:41.159 the impact that some of these experiences have had on 227 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:46.399 people in general. It's not that the stories themselves are 228 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.639 I mean, they're all significant. It's not that there's anything 229 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:55.039 that's really I don't know, like, oh my goodness, I've 230 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:57.279 never heard of that before. It seems like most stories 231 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:59.759 that people have to tell there are there's a precedent 232 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:03.519 for it somewhere else, which should make them feel better 233 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:06.960 that they're not alone in their citing. But the stuff 234 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:08.919 that's like a wow moment is when you start talking 235 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.480 to these people and if they've had a very significant 236 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:15.519 emotional reaction to it, especially if it had been like 237 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:19.159 decades before and they still have difficulty recounting what had 238 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:25.759 happened to them, that's pretty That's a pretty serious thing 239 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.279 that you know, you definitely take to heart when you're 240 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:29.039 talking to people. 241 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:37.559 Yeah. Absolutely, I just I'm being interviewed on another show 242 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:40.320 here that's coming out. It's relatively it's has nothing to 243 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:42.919 do with cryptozoology. It has all to do with people, right. 244 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:48.559 And one of the things that was, you know, was 245 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.679 talking about my personal experiences and I had just done 246 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:57.080 a presentation and Catawista, Pennsylvania, and from my own experience, 247 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:00.919 how much it changed me Talking to Lawn and Eric 248 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:03.080 Hartman over the weekend, two people I've worked with for 249 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.919 a long time kind of you know, recultivated that. And 250 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:12.279 you're right, Heather, it's sometimes those experiences you have really 251 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:14.840 don't even resonate in the moment that they really take 252 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:16.679 a long time to build and build and build, and 253 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:21.720 then one day you just have this crescendo of emotion 254 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.080 or flashback or whatever you want to call it, and 255 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:30.080 it's it's just driving and it really it gets to you. 256 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:35.240 It uncovers a raw nerve and it's really these situations 257 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:38.960 really affect people. And it's one thing that I don't 258 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.720 think this I don't want to say skeptics, because I 259 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:44.639 think there's a different a difference between real skeptics and 260 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:49.440 there's a difference between assholes, right, And it's the one 261 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:53.120 thing the assholes just don't get is that these are 262 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.840 real people that when somebody's having a real experience, you 263 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:01.480 know you can't fake that. And I'm sure you both 264 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:05.039 know you know from either interviewing witnesses or and you know, Heather, 265 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:10.320 the research you've done, there's something that it's a thread 266 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:13.720 that weaves between these people that have had these really 267 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:17.480 true encounters and these true experiences. There's this it was 268 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:22.720 almost like a thread of a genuine thread that really 269 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:24.279 that ties it together. 270 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:25.720 Mm hmmm. 271 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:26.240 Yeah. 272 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:31.440 And we've had moments where stuff aligns on projects that 273 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:35.120 we definitely weren't intending for it to align in such 274 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:38.000 a way. So there was, for example, on UFOs, on 275 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:41.320 the trail of UFOs night visitors we had I had 276 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:47.039 tracked down a guy. It was a very weird way 277 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:48.759 that I got in touch with him. I had like 278 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:56.720 contacted a local a local shamanic teacher out in Colorado 279 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:59.200 and I was like, Hey, just out of curiosity, has 280 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:02.240 anybody ever come to you with a significant event that's 281 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:07.119 happened in their life similar to a UFO situation. She's like, actually, yes, 282 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:11.599 my son in law had an encounter and she talked 283 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:13.559 with him, and he was really reluctant to talk to us. 284 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:14.960 But after I talked to him on the phone for 285 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.519 a little bit a couple times, he was like, Okay, 286 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:21.480 I'll come out. And he was so terrified when he 287 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:25.200 got to the airbnb, he was just pacing back and forth, 288 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:28.880 just shaking. And I think when he recounted the story, 289 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:32.400 the nervousness was not just about being on camera but 290 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:37.519 about reliving the experience altogether. But after he explains his story, 291 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.359 which one of the main parts of it is that 292 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:43.440 there was this blinding light that came in through the 293 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:48.519 bedroom window that he I think his phrasing was something like, 294 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:51.200 you know, the lights in the parking lot at Walmart 295 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.200 can get really bright. It was that, but times one hundred. Well, 296 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:59.000 the next morning, we talked with a move On member, 297 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:02.039 Katie Page, and she was explaining her experience from when 298 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:05.000 she was younger, and she brought up the exact same 299 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:07.480 light and gave the exact same description of that light. 300 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.240 And so I was able to message that man and 301 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:13.599 tell him, Hey, you're not gonna believe this, but we're 302 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:17.640 interviewing somebody right now who had almost an identical experience, 303 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:20.640 and he felt so relieved that there was someone else 304 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:22.640 that had had that because he hadn't shared his story 305 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:27.160 with anyone. He didn't want to, but you know, it's 306 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:30.119 got to be to have an experience like that and 307 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:34.200 then not know if other people have had that same encounter. 308 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:38.160 It's got to be a lonely feeling. So that was 309 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:40.039 just something that we all looked at each other as 310 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:43.640 Katie was explaining her her scenario from when she was younger, 311 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:45.720 and she gets to the point of the light in 312 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:47.759 a voice because it also had a voice with it, 313 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:50.599 and everybody on the crew just looks at each other like, 314 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:53.720 is this happening right now? We just heard this story 315 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:57.759 last night from someone completely different. So yeah, that was 316 00:18:57.759 --> 00:18:58.400 really awesome. 317 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:04.319 Heather. Now, you've been in all areas of the paranormal unexplained, 318 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:10.240 inviewed folks, and investigated different sightings and encounters. Not to 319 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.079 draw a difference in intensity or do you find the 320 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:22.279 UFO experiencers tend to be a little bit more emotional 321 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:27.559 about their encounters than folks that experience ghosts or bigfoot hmm, 322 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:32.480 or maybe shaken up more. 323 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:38.839 Yeah, it does seem that way in some instances, But 324 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:45.319 then for every person that seems emotional with a UFO encounter, 325 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.319 I think back to some of the sasquatch encounters that 326 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:52.440 we've talked or we've interviewed people about, and there's were 327 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:56.240 particularly violent in some way, or or if you get 328 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:00.720 into dogman encounters, those ones are especially emotional for people. 329 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:06.400 So I don't know if it's predominantly UFOs or not, 330 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:10.240 but I see what you're saying. I can see that correlation. 331 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:13.200 Sure, right, For some reason, it just seems like UFO 332 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:16.920 in experiences or you know folks that have more than 333 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:20.000 just a UFO, like a blinding light with a disembodied voice, 334 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:24.240 or you know, et contactor. And I'm not trying to 335 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:27.720 be disparaging. I'm just going to use that terminology that 336 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:32.240 they there is a lot more of a darkness to it, 337 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:37.160 like an elevated sense of fear and dread, where you 338 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:39.319 know a big foot sighting could be. And I hear go, 339 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:41.079 I'm going to say it again, Matt, don't hit me 340 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:45.160 something simple as something running across the road. Yeah, And 341 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:50.240 the ongoing joke is a few episodes ago I said that, 342 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:54.440 I said, a roadside crossing isn't that significant of us 343 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:59.200 a sighting, not intentionally meaning you know what I'm saying, 344 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.319 Like in the terms encounters you could have or roadside 345 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:06.680 encounters you know, a little mundane, but you know, with 346 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:11.640 with the you know some of these real deep you 347 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:17.920 know effective UFO or you know, ET contact. So it's 348 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:21.240 a lot darker and a lot more in person and 349 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:25.039 and and scary. It really the fear factors. 350 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:28.240 There more absolutely well, they seem to also lose the 351 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:31.640 ability to control your own bodies a lot more, right, 352 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:34.559 Not that that doesn't happen with sasquatch experiences, because I've 353 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.759 heard of people having that as well, where they completely 354 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:42.119 freeze up, But with the UFO witnesses that we've talked to, 355 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:44.160 there's been a lot more of a feeling as if 356 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:46.720 you don't have control of the situation at all in 357 00:21:46.759 --> 00:21:49.759 any way, and that would be unnerving for certain. 358 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:53.799 Well, I really feel like that that there's two different 359 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:57.599 phenomenas in that. One. I think with the sasquatch encounters 360 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:00.599 and you can't move, I think that's a physical response 361 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:06.960 to something, whereas something from out there that could be induced. 362 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:11.480 And one could also make the argument that a sasquatch 363 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:13.359 can do the same thing, but I don't know. To me, 364 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:16.759 it seems very different. And a lot of these intense 365 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:20.960 sightings and experiences that happened to UFO contact ease. It's 366 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:25.960 more induced than it is you know, your own body 367 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:28.359 preventing you from doing I. 368 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.799 Was just about to say that as a biological reaction 369 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:37.519 that the person is having as opposed to a UFO encounter, 370 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:42.640 where you know, you may have something that could displace time, 371 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:46.440 energy and such and you have absolutely no control over 372 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:52.599 that whatsoever. Whereas it's your body putting that defense up 373 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:57.400 when you're dealing with a dangerous situation. Is say you're 374 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:01.839 you know, you see a big foot and it's coming 375 00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:04.599 to your car, coming, you know, uh coming to you 376 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:06.359 and you're out in the woods. 377 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:10.079 I don't want to start a whole debate with folks 378 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:14.039 out there that you know that any of these situations 379 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:16.279 are less scary than the other. That's not the intent, 380 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:20.319 you know, it's the dialogue between that I personally, from 381 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:24.279 what I've witnessed and experienced from folks talking about their 382 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:29.920 encounters people with you know UFO contacts are a lot 383 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:34.519 more disturbed by them than you know, your generals, And 384 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:38.680 at this point in time, Like you know, some sasquatch 385 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:44.039 experiences are are just really like, I don't know, bullshit 386 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:48.720 I'm having Like we've made it easy for folks to hoax. 387 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:50.720 Now I say that all the time too, like we've 388 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:55.039 put it out there and is it really a big 389 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:58.039 foot or you just connecting dots that don't exist, like 390 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:00.960 you know, as we as you go forward with these documentaries, Heather, 391 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:03.319 and you talk to people that probably want to be 392 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.640 on these programs, what's your bullshit detector look like? 393 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:16.759 Uh? Well, huh so far that has come up a 394 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:19.880 few times when it has to deal with somebody you 395 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:24.839 reaching out to me directly and being extra pushy. Not 396 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:26.759 that I haven't had people reach out to me that 397 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:28.880 have said things like, you know, I've had an experience 398 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:30.559 and I want to get this off my chest or whatever, 399 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:33.880 but they're not pushy about listen. I've got the story 400 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:39.880 that we're gonna sell a million copies if you record it. 401 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:41.920