WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.640 Was talking with my friend Vinnie Webb how Wakefield hadn't 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:06.799 lost since feb until they met Wigan, the old Cup 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:11.119 Kings who got themselves back to doing some Wigan like things. 4 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:15.199 Victories for hule Kr, Saints and the Wire. Let's see 5 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:19.239 who can set Wembley on fire. So many clubs looking 6 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:21.760 for a coach. The issue in North Wales is one 7 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:25.440 we will broach. Welcome to the seventeenth episode of Super 8 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:29.480 League three sixty, a podcast primarily about the top tier 9 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:31.839 of British rugby league, but we may go in some 10 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:36.640 different directions, such as North Wales. My name is Lee Addison. 11 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:38.560 And my name is John Davidson. 12 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:42.359 I am a coach in Australia who hosts also the 13 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:46.399 Rugby League Coach podcast appear on Zero Tackles Loose Carrey. 14 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:49.039 You can find me at Rugby League Coach dot com, 15 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.000 but au John's a journal. 16 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:54.880 In the UK, you can get me in the Eyepaper, 17 00:00:55.159 --> 00:01:00.079 in League Express, the Guardian and sometimes on the BBC. 18 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:05.599 Just everywhere in England. This podcast is also being played 19 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:08.599 on the Ash Rugby League podcast platform, the Rugby League 20 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:12.400 Coach podcast platform, as well as Rugby League Coach YouTube 21 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:15.400 channel two. So if you subscribe to those you won't 22 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:18.920 miss a thing. 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I believe John, 24 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:26.799 we've just discussed we're going to do after the Hohoter 25 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:31.959 this week on Friday, so Saturday morning Australia time, because 26 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:34.640 you'll be at Huddersfield versus Leads. 27 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:39.359 Love a bit of West Yorkshire derby with six thousand 28 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:43.599 people on the game six you've been okay seven, Maybe 29 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:46.719 Leads might bring a thousand or two. 30 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:51.359 Say four Cup semi finalists and Wigan Warrington who ky 31 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:54.680 Are and Saints and the drawer has happened very quickly 32 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:58.640 and ok Are will play Wolves and Saints will play 33 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:01.040 Wigan on the weekend of the ninth and tenth of 34 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:04.120 May in the Challenge Cup. Which is why we didn't 35 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:08.360 do an after the Hooter this last week. John, your 36 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:10.159 tweet of the week is going to lead into the 37 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:14.560 first subject you can tweet John at Johnny D Day 38 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:19.080 at Johnny D. Davidson. The gas lighting of players and 39 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:23.080 fans in rugby league in the UK continues ad nauseum. 40 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:27.960 John tweeted my Lee's laughing the Rugby League tweet of 41 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:31.000 the week was Rick Andrew who said in whose mates 42 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:37.120 will be promising a bridging loan? Don't worry. That was 43 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:39.879 in response to Christen and In who being appointed as 44 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:45.680 coach of North Wales Crusaders and Johnny's jab I'll let 45 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:48.000 you talk about that because you wanted to talk about 46 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:50.199 clubs going bust, so please. 47 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:52.800 Yeah. I can't remember what I said the job was 48 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:53.439 going to be, but. 49 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:56.280 Ignoring people who think club's going bust is nothing to 50 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:57.719 know the Rugby Football League. 51 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:04.840 Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's multifaceted. When I mean, 52 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.319 it depends on the circumstances, but it's multi faceted when 53 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:10.560 a club goes bust. Like you know, the Salford Bread 54 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:14.039 Devil situation had many elements to it and we went 55 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:16.400 through that, didn't we last year or in the year 56 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:19.400 in the podcast. I think the Featherstone one did as well. 57 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.680 The North Wales one is ongoing. But you know, the 58 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.759 RFL doesn't run the clubs. You know, it's not making 59 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:30.360 the decision a sign player X for this amount of 60 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:32.560 money whether they can afford that or not. And I've 61 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:35.800 never said they did. But the RFL governs the sport. 62 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:38.639 They have to approve these owners to take over clubs 63 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:41.400 and their track record when you look at North Wales, 64 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:46.960 when you look at Salford, you know so many clubs Toronto. 65 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:52.400 I mean, yeah, their compliance department, the checks and balances 66 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:57.159 is a joke, and they have to actually take action 67 00:03:57.319 --> 00:03:59.520 when these clubs go bust and have to provide a 68 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:02.840 system or a competition where these businesses, these clubs can 69 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:05.439 actually thrive. But they don't seem to do anything. They're 70 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:07.759 just like, oh, it's nothing to do with us. And 71 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:11.199 then when they do go bus, they don't comment and 72 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.599 the players get no support, they don't get paid, they 73 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:17.920 go to the RFL, there's no players union, they don't 74 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:20.639 get any support. And I know this because I speak 75 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:23.519 to them and I've spoken to their partners. And the 76 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.279 fans get treated like shit as well. You know, happen 77 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:29.639 to the Selford fans, happen to the Featherstone fans because 78 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:32.160 the clubs themselves don't come out and be honest about 79 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:35.759 what's happening, and most of the media coverage is quite 80 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:38.439 this poor and doesn't actually push to get answers, and 81 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:41.120 the RFL doesn't say anything either. So that's what I 82 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:43.120 mean when I talk about the gas lighting of players 83 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.360 and fans. They get treated very, very poorly. 84 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:50.199 Something occurred to me over the weekend as I was 85 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:57.000 putting this podcast running Sheet together. Maybe the RFL want 86 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:58.600 these clubs to go bus. 87 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:03.720 Why would they wanted to go bastly. 88 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:11.839 Natural attrition? Maybe they are looking at the fact that 89 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:16.519 in the twenty first century, and I'm definitely playing Devil's 90 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:22.399 advocate here and probably giving some people too much intelligence, 91 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:26.680 maybe they're thinking, in the twenty first century, if you're 92 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:31.240 going to make a professional sport from scratch, you wouldn't 93 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:35.240 have this model, and you probably wouldn't have a club 94 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.120 right next to Manchester City and Manchester United in Salford, 95 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:46.079 who you're trying to have a Super League franchise, you 96 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:52.879 probably wouldn't have the expense of so many teams in 97 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:56.480 what were the too lower tiers, but now one here. 98 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:02.800 Maybe they're happy for natural autrition just to take place. 99 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:05.680 All right. Personally, I don't think that's the case, because 100 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.279 when you look at the expansion of League One, which 101 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:11.279 I can't think came around twenty fourteen twenty fifteen, and 102 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:13.800 I came off the back of the forty million TV 103 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:16.279 deal which was the largest forty million a year TV 104 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:19.279 deal for I think seven years, and niger Wood, credit 105 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:22.879 to him, got for the sport a lot of that money. 106 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:25.759 There was a number of new League One clubs in 107 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:27.839 I think there was Northampton who never played a game. 108 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.360 There was Glouster, there was Oxford. There was a big 109 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:32.879 push to expand the game. You know, we had London 110 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:35.199 Scholars and then later on down line we had Cornwall 111 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:38.439 and South Wales and North Wales and virtually all those 112 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:43.319 clubs are gone now. Scholars are gone, Cornwall are gone, 113 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:45.720 North Wales could be gone the end of this week. 114 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.480 Gloster and Oxford are gone. Northampton, as I said, never 115 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:53.519 play the game. And part of that sort of the 116 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.199 leadership of the arapat with Tom which was Ralph was 117 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:58.800 Ralph Rimmer was the deputy CEO and niger Wood was 118 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:02.360 the CEO. That to me and you can this is 119 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:05.000 reflected in the votes for the council when you look 120 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.959 at the major decisions, was a bit of a power 121 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.399 play and niger Wood and Ralph l were very good 122 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.079 going around and pressing the flesh with all these small 123 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:18.160 club owners and basically you know, like politicians do you know, 124 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:21.000 kissing the babies they were very good at winning votes, 125 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:24.040 buying votes, however you want to put it, garnering support. 126 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:28.519 And then if we look at the recent vote for 127 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:32.279 the chairman of the RFL, Niger Wood, it was only 128 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.040 what three Super League clubs have voted against him and 129 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:40.120 two Championship clubs and you could argue that York controls 130 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:42.199 the Newcastle votes, so it was only really one and 131 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:45.279 that was so it was interesting that they all voted 132 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:47.680 for niger Wood. But the fact that they're all dying 133 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:50.319 off and the TV deals shrinking. 134 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:53.600 So that was the key in your answer. So will 135 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:57.360 you describe something that happened well over a decade now 136 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:02.519 in terms of that the TV deal a decade rugby 137 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:05.319 league seemed an amazing sport in the UK compared to 138 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:08.720 what it is now quite frankly, over a decade ago, 139 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:12.879 and the TV deal has gone down, so there's less 140 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.639 money to put around all these clubs, and there's less 141 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:17.839 money to pay for referees and less money to pay 142 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:22.720 for let's play for everything everything. Yeah, and that again, 143 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:25.959 as soon as you said that line, I thought you've 144 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:31.160 added to my theory. And then you talk about the votes, Well, 145 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:36.200 aren't the hasn't Ward and his team. Haven't they got 146 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:41.440 the control that they saw now not locked in? And 147 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:46.000 then have they not got a mostly consensus around what's 148 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:46.759 left anyway? 149 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:49.720 I think the element to add there was so when 150 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:52.360 when when Wood was kicked it out in twenty eighteen 151 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:55.759 and then Simon Johnson came to the top jour and 152 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:57.759 obviously there was the split, so you had Super League 153 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:00.000 was split from the RFL. Well, for him it was 154 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.000 still very good at going around all the different championship 155 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:06.200 in League one clubs. Simon Johnson never did that, and 156 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:08.360 I think he's got a lot of criticism and was 157 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:11.000 never close to you know, your Batley's, your Featherstone's, your 158 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:14.320 Deewsberries or niger Wood you know goes out for curries 159 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:18.240 with them and you know that. I think that is 160 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:22.200 a very kind of political strategy to garner specific support 161 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:26.000 and I think that's continued on to now. Now there's 162 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.120 probably less support for niger Wood now than there was 163 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.559 twelve months ago, but he's still got enough support to 164 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.039 be in power. But the interesting thing for me is, 165 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:36.559 and I've just read the New forty twenty magazine and 166 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:39.600 there's a piece written by Paul Cannet, the owner of Leeds, 167 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:42.519 who's I don't know exactly how much he's worth, but 168 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:46.519 one hundred and fifty two hundred million construction magnet, and 169 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.080 he argues it's really interesting piece. He argues, you know, 170 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:53.799 against the NRL coming in. He's not fully against it, 171 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:55.639 but he argues against it the fact that they want 172 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:58.840 our riches and the NRL is only successful because there's 173 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.120 no competity. They don't have pre relafe football and there's 174 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:05.200 no competition for sport in Australia. Now part of that 175 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.480 argument is absolute hogwash. 176 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:09.799 Anyone the only only country in the world with four 177 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:13.519 winter football codes, and cricket is massive, as you know 178 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:18.080 in the NBL, while it's not massive, still has fairly 179 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.320 the NFL. The NFL has been a push in New 180 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:23.480 South Wales for the Super Day to be a public holiday. 181 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:27.799 So yeah, yeah, so Premier League, yeah it's huge. 182 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:30.879 Yeah yeah. So it's just kind of a nonsense argument. 183 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:32.879 But I see this a lot. I say this a 184 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:35.200 lot from fans in the UK and the thing is, 185 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.120 you don't Rugby league in the UK doesn't need to 186 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:40.919 compete with the Premier League because you can't beat but 187 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.720 you could be the second option or even the third 188 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:45.720 option in a lot of the markets, it's not even 189 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:47.360 the eighth or the ninth option. 190 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:51.759 Rugby league needs to compete with itself. It needs to 191 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:55.200 beat itself first, rather than it needs to be the 192 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:59.200 gremlins within. Right, So let's right, Let's accept that we 193 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:02.080 can't necessarily either of us work out a reason why 194 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:06.799 the RFL haven't intervened. Let's talk about and god, let's 195 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:10.440 talk about what they should do. What should they do? 196 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:14.559 I think I think they should be well, first of all, 197 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.879 they shouldn't be reacting to any of this. They should 198 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:21.879 be on the front foot in the weeks leading up 199 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:24.039 to the when it's when the news starts to leak, 200 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:26.679 if they were in touch with their clubs, if they 201 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:30.159 were communicating in the right way with their clubs at 202 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:33.360 the not the niger Wood level, having a having a 203 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:38.320 having a Ruby Murray. I'm talking about you know, operators 204 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:41.120 at the RFL who were checking in with the clubs 205 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.440 and finding out what's going on and et cetera, et cetera. 206 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.200 There'd be ahead of the curve on this and maybe 207 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.519 a month, maybe two months, maybe three months and be 208 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:52.639 listening to what's going on and saying, right, how can 209 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:55.240 we help you owners of North Wales. How can we 210 00:11:55.360 --> 00:12:00.799 help you owners of Salford with your bridging? How can 211 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.480 we help you? You know that's that's what we ever expect, 212 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:03.919 isn't it. 213 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:06.840 Yeah, but it never happens. I mean I've been covering 214 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:10.399 the sport in the UK for thirteen years and the 215 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:14.960 attitude consistency is don't say only think, look away, pretend 216 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:19.879 it's not happening. Yeah, there's just the thing. The thing 217 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:23.639 why I don't agree that they are trying to ensure 218 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:27.679 that clubs die is because the negative publicity that it 219 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:31.320 generates and that you actually get more coverage. You look 220 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.799 at a collapse of Featherstone and what happened at Salford. 221 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:35.840 That was the running story all last year. There was 222 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:39.799 like massive headlines, you know, full page spreads the national newspapers. 223 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.240 You know that massive games, Grand finals and that don't 224 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:44.000 get that coverage. 225 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:49.159 But John, John, what's what's worse publicity? Let's say no publicity? 226 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:54.679 Yeah number one. Number two. Let's say five clubs die, 227 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:59.759 Those five clubs die naturally, or those five clubs get 228 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:02.759 caught from the league structure. Which one brings the most 229 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:06.919 most vitriol on which one brings the worst publicity, and 230 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:10.200 I think it's the latter. So so I'm not I'm 231 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:12.240 not letting go of my theory yet that they could 232 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:17.440 be just letting attrition happen to streamline the game. 233 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:20.879 Yeah, I don't. I mean you can, you're in tonal 234 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:22.879 to your theory, but I don't. I don't agree with you. 235 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:25.559 I think it's more den incompetence than anything else and 236 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:26.440 a lack of strategy. 237 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:28.200 And it, don't get me wrong, I think we're talking 238 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:32.039 about strategy from incompetent people don't, so I think we're 239 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:36.240 in agreement. Actually, so in terms of in terms of 240 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.279 North Wales, they did end up on the field this 241 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:41.799 week and things mustn't be great there because even Keighley 242 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:45.600 managed to beat them very heavily. So there's I've seen 243 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:49.279 somewhere that somebody has paid them to play this week. 244 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:53.919 Yeah, it's my story. Really, you've read my story today. 245 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:56.720 I didn't read your story. I saw the tweet and 246 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:02.879 I'm not reading that crap. How harsh. Yeah, Look, I 247 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:06.600 mean I think stuff's been going. I think it was 248 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:08.600 in November last year there was a couple of players 249 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:11.519 coming out saying that they were owed money they hadn't 250 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:16.039 been paid, and then it's continued on this year. Basically 251 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:18.679 I think every month had been paid late and then 252 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:20.120 I think they were due to be played at the 253 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.120 start of April four April, they weren't paid. They still 254 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:26.559 haven't been paid. They refused to train. I'd spoke to 255 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:30.480 people at the club players who were basically saying, you know, 256 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:35.440 if we don't get paid, we won't play. And then 257 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:38.360 I got information. Now I know who paid the players, 258 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:40.960 and I can't you know. I was told on the 259 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:43.600 condition that they didn't want their names published, but they 260 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:44.480 made a donator. 261 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:46.919 We won't mention Phil cup One's name on here. 262 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:52.399 It's definitely not him. They made a donation to and 263 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.440 not the four months wages, but to ensure that this 264 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.679 Keithy game went ahead. So some of the players played, 265 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:02.360 not all of them. The players and North Wales have 266 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:04.679 been told by the club that will be paid tomorrow, 267 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:09.200 that is Monday. Those players don't believe that will happen, 268 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:12.200 and some people are saying that the couple go bus 269 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:12.840 next week. 270 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.039 Now and this and this is the horrible thing about it. 271 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:17.840 This is the bad thing because some of these players, 272 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:21.960 what they will do is they'll get cocked around by this. 273 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.240 They will then some of them will try and find 274 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:28.279 another club, but some of them will just walk away 275 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:30.279 from the game and they won't play it again because 276 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:33.519 some of them will have been through this before somewhere well. 277 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.320 And it has real it has real life implications on 278 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.759 mortgages and yeah, people dropping hills and fuel bills and 279 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:43.200 mortgages everything. 280 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.159 Yeah, I mean the whole thing. The whole thing happened 281 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:47.200 at Sulford last year and a couple of players retired. 282 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:50.679 I feel really sorry for Chris Hankinson because he went 283 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:52.960 through it at Featherston and then he went through it 284 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:55.120 at Salford and went through it at Salford Leeds. At 285 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:58.519 least he's getting paid. But yeah, this is the guest 286 00:15:58.519 --> 00:15:59.480 lining of the players. 287 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:02.320 Let's get ready for Saint Helen's to fold because Paul 288 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:03.039 Roll is there. 289 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:06.000 Well I didn't say that. I don't think that's going 290 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:06.639 to happen. 291 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:11.519 But no, no, But my point is he he was 292 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:14.840 at too, he was at Toronto, coach at Toronto, he 293 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.279 was a coach at Salford and so how he keeps 294 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:21.279 his pecker up after that is amazing really too. 295 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.080 But the thing with North Wales the future. Look, I'm 296 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:28.960 working on a story that involves them. They probably will 297 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:31.159 be out my day on Tuesday. It's a fairly major one, 298 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:34.039 so I can't really talk too much about about that 299 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:37.200 right now. But things are obviously happening. There's a wider 300 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:40.720 play there and well none of it's good basically. 301 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:47.000 Yeah, talking of upheaval, talking of carnage, talking of changes. 302 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:50.159 There's at least four Super League clubs looking for a 303 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:53.840 coach now. So the first crack, the first card dropped 304 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:56.759 last week. I think John Cartwright was shown the door 305 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:01.159 at the end of the year. M and Whull left 306 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:05.759 c therefore need a new coach. Sorry. The first actual 307 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:08.119 card was Willie Peters the week before saying he was 308 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:14.279 going to PMNG. And then we have Joel Tompkins has 309 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:22.559 gone a wall at Catalans Dragons and who's the other club, Udderfield? 310 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:26.319 That was it. That was the first card to for 311 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:30.880 I've messed up what I thought was an excellent way of. 312 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.279 And you could say bred Arthur's future beyond this year 313 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:34.880 is results. 314 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:36.440 You know, you know why I've messed it up. John, 315 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:38.720 It's because you've put me on the morning shift again. 316 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:41.119 Not only that you were late for our morning shift 317 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:45.799 by three minutes, and you've really impacted me because Manchester 318 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.759 City played Chelsea and I can't sleep when man City 319 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:51.079 are playing in the middle of the night. And I 320 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:53.559 actually wanted to watch that game and I ended up 321 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:56.359 watching some of it, so that's why I messed that up. 322 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.799 So I was late because I was interviewing a source. 323 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:01.920 So I'm very sorry. 324 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.599 I don't care whether it's hp U, tom Ato Mate, 325 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:08.599 whatever source. But yeah, so so four clubs maybe five 326 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:11.799 looking for a coach, Well, do I need to come 327 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:13.880 back over John and off of my services? 328 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:18.000 Well, clearly. And you could say Sam Burgess doesn't have 329 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:21.279 a contract for next year this so that's not a 330 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:23.640 it's not like he's going to get sacked or anything obviously, 331 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:28.880 but yeah, I mean that's another fluid situation. So yeah, 332 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.079 it's it's it's interesting. And then when you look at 333 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:34.359 mainly looking for a coach, aren't they st Georgia Lawa, 334 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:34.960 I mean. 335 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:38.720 Will will be. Yeah, I think he might be looking 336 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:44.400 for one. So yeah, I think fours in a row. Yeah, 337 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:48.359 I think Belly eight might decide times. Look, anyway, let's 338 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:50.240 go back to Super League. We've got some questions that 339 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:56.200 relate to this. Oli W Clark, that's a very posh 340 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:59.480 name for rugby league. What do you make of the 341 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.400 Steve ma namaras situation? Will he go before the start 342 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:07.720 of twenty seven? Carl has said no approach has been 343 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:09.519 made at the fans for him. If he does go, 344 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.640 likely candidates for Wire as new assistant coach or coach 345 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.359 if Sam golds. At the end of twenty twenty six, 346 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:19.039 Rugby League Fan Club said please discuss the John cart 347 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:24.160 right the departure, So let's go with hule kr first. 348 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:26.519 So for those who don't know, John Cartwright was told 349 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:34.720 he wasn't What did I say? Guys don't record better 350 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:40.960 when it's a bit later all FC John Cartwright was 351 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:43.160 shown the door at the end of the year. Two 352 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:47.160 of his family tweeted that he was devastated. So there 353 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:50.279 was one of those bullshit statement that statements that come 354 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:56.640 out and then reality leaked out somewhere and everybody assumes 355 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.400 that Steve McNamara a whole FC boy who we've talked 356 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.839 about for the last couple of months, potentially going back 357 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:07.559 to Hull or we originally mentioned Hull k Are and 358 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:10.359 Olie is asking if you'll go before the start of 359 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:14.599 twenty twenty seven, Carl, I assume he's talking about the 360 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:17.720 Warrington Wolfsey or so put some color into that situation. 361 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:21.240 First for me, well, the car Rights situation first, I mean, 362 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:25.319 I think we had well we didn't say or I 363 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:28.039 didn't say he was going, but we said he was 364 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:28.960 under pressure. 365 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:33.200 What three weeks ago? Yeah, and what did we talked 366 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:35.279 about Steve? What I said was, we're talking about Steve 367 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:40.119 McNamara going back to Hall somewhere. So yeah, we've got 368 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:45.039 no I'll explain what I heard. So I think it 369 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:47.640 was before the Leeds left c game whenever that was, 370 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.039 and I heard the car Right was under huge pressure. 371 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:55.000 You know, they were going to get Steve mcnamary and 372 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:56.759 and I was like, well that's big. 373 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:02.240 And then you know the implication was if Leeds beat them, 374 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:04.880 and Leeds were heavy favorites of that game, they were 375 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:07.920 going to suck him. Now played great in that game 376 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:10.960 and upset Leeds and obviously you ain't going to sack 377 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:13.240 the coach after all. Well, I'm sure it's happened, but 378 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.880 happen very often, does it. And then the next week 379 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:19.039 they beat cat Lands, and then the week after that 380 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:21.200 they lost the derby, and then what was it a 381 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.519 day or two after the derby got sat Now, in 382 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:28.079 between that, I spoke to another source who confirmed to 383 00:21:28.119 --> 00:21:32.039 me that John Cartwright was on thin ice. Now I'm 384 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:35.640 not really exactly sure what the circumstances were, but it 385 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.960 seems to be some sort of breakdown between the hierarchy 386 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:41.559 of the club and John Cartwright. They weren't getting on 387 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:47.000 and clearly they've decided to move him on. And as 388 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:50.200 John cart Wright's daughter, and I think it's his former partner, 389 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:54.559 although she goes by the cart right name Suzanne cart 390 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:56.799 Wright on Facebook, I think it's his ex wife, but 391 00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:59.799 I'm not sure exactly. Both said you know he was 392 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:03.519 going that and didn't see it coming, et cetera. So yeah, 393 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.640 the the really interesting thing with this is Lee I 394 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:10.440 was told by a couple of sources that the owner 395 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:12.640 of LFC, and I believe the CEO, we're out in 396 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:16.599 America and the master's big golfence. Now, the claim was 397 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:22.000 that John Cartwright was told of his termination by email. 398 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:23.519 Now I haven't put that to the club, and the 399 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:27.079 club has strenuously denied that. So that's they say that's wrong. 400 00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:31.960 But yeah, It's a very strange situation because I think 401 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:34.599