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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, the Green Berey or Jay Dorlias.
Speaker 1: Welcome sir.
Speaker 2: That's going sir. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: As I mentioned before the show, I wanted to say
Speaker 1: it again in front of the public too, but thank
Speaker 1: you very much for your service day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: So, I guess my first question was, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people get sick of it, but I'm curious
Speaker 1: what got you motivated to become a Green Beret.
Speaker 2: So's uh.
Speaker 3: I think my story is a little bit unorthodox because
Speaker 3: most I'm sure most guys you speak with, you know,
Speaker 3: they they either come from it as far as instantry,
Speaker 3: or they you know, saw a movie.
Speaker 2: For me, it was none of those, right, it was
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I was at Fort Riley, Kansas, you know, five years
Speaker 3: in into my military career, and I had a squad leader.
Speaker 3: You know, he was just just this you know, hard ass,
Speaker 3: just badass squad leader like I looked up to him.
Speaker 2: And he went to selection.
Speaker 3: Before then, I knew nothing about you know, special forces
Speaker 3: or any of that stuff. So he went to selection
Speaker 3: and he came back and he was a twenty eight
Speaker 3: day none select and it just blew my mind. I'm like,
Speaker 3: here's this guy, just the best at the Army has
Speaker 3: to offer. And he went and he got turned around
Speaker 3: and he didn't even get any feedback as to why
Speaker 3: he didn't get selected, and that motivated me to, you know,
Speaker 3: be the best that I can be. So I followed
Speaker 3: in his footstep and I went to selection and.
Speaker 2: I got picked up.
Speaker 3: Until this day, he still gives me crap about it,
Speaker 3: you know, the fact that I went and got selected
Speaker 3: and that he didn't. We still go back and forth
Speaker 3: about that. So that right there was my motivating factor was,
Speaker 3: you know, my squad leader.
Speaker 1: And by the way, folks, Jay is actually currently still
Speaker 1: a Green Beret. So this is one of our first
Speaker 1: times we've actually interviewed somebody. Well maybe Ryan Henderson too,
Speaker 1: I think we talked about that before. He might have
Speaker 1: still been active as well, but not that I remember.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I've interviewed I think over forty or fifty Special Forces
Speaker 1: and I think this is the first one that I've
Speaker 1: had that's actually still active. So I guess I guess
Speaker 1: the reason I asked that Jay is because I was
Speaker 1: curious about seer training. Everybody I had talked to who's
Speaker 1: become a Green Beret loved Seer training. I thought it
Speaker 1: was the best train they've ever had. I know there's
Speaker 1: the downsides to it, of course, but did you find
Speaker 1: it to be the same for you?
Speaker 3: So it was like I always tell people when they
Speaker 3: ask me that question, that you know that that training
Speaker 3: was probably the best training that I've had throughout my
Speaker 3: military career. Not not free fall, not sniper, not any
Speaker 3: o the other training that I've been to, but it
Speaker 3: was definitely Seer training. I've I've learned a lot about
Speaker 3: myself going into it, Like I I was somewhat you know,
Speaker 3: cocky because when it comes to hardship, I've experienced it,
Speaker 3: you know, being from Haiti and growing up in New
Speaker 3: York City, like I've experienced hardship. I've experienced hunger, I've
Speaker 3: experienced you know, losing sleep. So I went into stair
Speaker 3: training thinking that, oh, this is gonna be a walking
Speaker 3: the park, but I was quickly humbled. So it's definitely
Speaker 3: uh one of the courses that I loved. And when
Speaker 3: I had my my detachment, I made it a point
Speaker 3: to get my guys recertify every chance that I had.
Speaker 2: For that particular course.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting that your story reminds me a little bit
Speaker 1: of that Navy seal we interviewed the Remy out of Lucky.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm good friends with Remy.
Speaker 1: All right. Was he from Haiti?
Speaker 2: No, so Remy's from Nigeria, Nigeria, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think it wasn't as I thought. He
Speaker 1: came from a Caribbean island of his dad or something.
Speaker 2: Or No, No, he's out of Africa. Moved to the Bronx.
Speaker 2: I came from Haiti. I moved to Brooklyn. So we're
Speaker 2: right up right across the bridge from each.
Speaker 1: Other, all right. Very interesting? Yeah, so yeah, because everybody
Speaker 1: I talked to another Green Berets always found it to
Speaker 1: be interesting, and they said was the best of things
Speaker 1: I've ever learned. I guess I haven't asked them. I'll
Speaker 1: ask you. Do you think a lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: that you learned? You said, now you've learned more about yourself,
Speaker 1: which is interesting. I get my hand out of the camera.
Speaker 1: I'm like blocking myself up. But did you learn a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that would apply to civilian life for you?
Speaker 1: Things that made you better in civilian life?
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, definitely, just the the never quitting attitude, the
Speaker 3: you know, not feeling sore for your self attitude. Once
Speaker 3: I get to the point where I transition, I'm sure
Speaker 3: that's going to help me out of right, because when
Speaker 3: I was in that course, my biggest motivating factor was
Speaker 3: the fact that, you know, I had guys to my
Speaker 3: left and guys to my right, and regardless of how
Speaker 3: bad it god, you know, they were pushing through it,
Speaker 3: you know, and that kind of made me look inside
Speaker 3: myself and say to myself, like, wait a minute. If
Speaker 3: that guy's pushing through it, you know, and he's embracing
Speaker 3: the same suck as I am, then why am I
Speaker 3: feeling sorry for myself?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: So that gave me the extra kit that I needed to,
Speaker 3: you know, keep going forward, keep pushing myself, and I
Speaker 3: think a lot could be well, I know.
Speaker 2: A lot will be transferred to the civilian sector. Right where.
Speaker 3: You know it, the sun shines on everybody, it rains
Speaker 3: on everybody. When things happen to me, then I need
Speaker 3: to take it as Okay, this happens like this is
Speaker 3: I'm not the first person that this has happened to, right,
Speaker 3: So let me keep pushing, let me keep moving forward
Speaker 3: and make the best side of it.
Speaker 1: That's the interesting thing is every time I've interviewed people
Speaker 1: in Special Forces, and this is not a criticism of
Speaker 1: anybody else in the military, but you guys are special
Speaker 1: in some capacities. I mean the intelligence level, the ability
Speaker 1: to be cognitive cognitively flexible, as we say in my
Speaker 1: world of psychology, which is being able to, Hey, this
Speaker 1: doesn't work. I got to try something else that didn't work.
Speaker 1: I got to try something else. And the only place
Speaker 1: I've ever seen it besides you is Special Forces, being
Speaker 1: is Olympic athletes and professional athletes. Is when I asked,
Speaker 1: I interviewed Larry Holmes. I don't if you remember him.
Speaker 1: I interviewed Larry Holmes, and I asked him, what did
Speaker 1: you think about when he knocked you down? Did you think,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy's stronger than I thought? Did
Speaker 1: you think this is over? And it was interesting because
Speaker 1: his mindset was now. I didn't say that, I said,
Speaker 1: the heck am I gonna beat him? How am I
Speaker 1: going to get up and knock him out? And when
Speaker 1: I talked to Olympic athletes, it was always the same.
Speaker 1: They never ruminated about the bad part. They didn't think
Speaker 1: about what was happening that was bad. They kept thinking
Speaker 1: how to overcome it to win, and that was the
Speaker 1: end of it. And you guys have the same mentality.
Speaker 1: It's really fascinating to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you got to have that, especially when it
Speaker 3: comes to the job, right when you all going overseas
Speaker 3: and you're going total told with an enemy that's doing
Speaker 3: everything that they can to defeat you, and you are
Speaker 3: trying to do the same to them, right, Like, you've
Speaker 3: got to have that how do I overcome how do
Speaker 3: I out maneuver in order to get to an end state?
Speaker 3: And it starts in the schoolhouse, right, it starts at selection,
Speaker 3: it starts at there. It's starts in you know mos
Speaker 3: Like that's where it all start overcoming challenges. So whenever
Speaker 3: you do go down range and your face with those obstacles,
Speaker 3: then it's automatic.
Speaker 2: Oh man, like enemies.
Speaker 3: On top of the hill, Like, how do I overcome
Speaker 3: that to get to them? So I could achieve my
Speaker 3: ind state? Right, But it's all got to start somewhere.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, and I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: You let me know. It sounded like when you were
Speaker 1: talking when you were living in Haiti, you came from
Speaker 1: a tough upbringing. I don't know if you got into
Speaker 1: street fights or whatever, if it was a tough area
Speaker 1: that you lived in, but you sound like you had
Speaker 1: you had an attitude or a belief in yourself that
Speaker 1: you can handle anything. Did when you went through see
Speaker 1: your training or through selection, did you feel like you
Speaker 1: know what? Hey, I was wrong? But did you come
Speaker 1: out saying now I can handle most of anything. I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened to you, thank psychologically there eighty.
Speaker 3: Of course, I was exposed to poverty, but most of
Speaker 3: my experience in Haiti was just uncomfort, starvation, you know,
Speaker 3: lack of sleep. But none of it prepared me for
Speaker 3: the mental aspect of sir. I was okay with not sleeping,
Speaker 3: I was okay with not eating, but all the other
Speaker 3: mental challenges I definitely wasn't ready for that. So I
Speaker 3: went in thinking that I was, you know, billy badass
Speaker 3: and I was going to crush it. And uh, unbeknown
Speaker 3: to me, you know, a couple of days into it,
Speaker 3: you know, I was like a little bird. They they
Speaker 3: had broken me, you know, and I thought it I
Speaker 3: couldn't be broken. But they achieved their task of getting
Speaker 3: exactly what they wanted to get out of me.
Speaker 2: Uh so, yes, physical.
Speaker 3: You know, sleep, food like that wasn't an issue, but
Speaker 3: the mental aspect of it.
Speaker 2: I wasn't ready for that at all. So I learned
Speaker 2: a lot as regards to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could imagine. So, because that's one of the
Speaker 1: interesting things. I mean, I wish somebody would create a program,
Speaker 1: and some people have tried. They've created these little mini
Speaker 1: courses or many programs, because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people would benefit going through a form of seer training.
Speaker 1: Obviously not learning everything you guys learned the need for that,
Speaker 1: but that mental toughness I think would be a huge
Speaker 1: in today's society to be able to counter problems and
Speaker 1: challenges in your own life.
Speaker 2: It would be.
Speaker 3: It would be because it been, you know, since I started,
Speaker 3: you know, this adventure of my majority of the questions
Speaker 3: that I get, you know from folks that are you know,
Speaker 3: try to become Special Forces operators, is hey, how do
Speaker 3: I get mentally tough? You know, that's like their number
Speaker 3: one concern And it's not just something that you can
Speaker 3: teach somebody. You know, they have to go through certain
Speaker 3: things to you know, get to the point where you
Speaker 3: know they.
Speaker 2: Could achieve you know, mental toughness.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a tough one. That's not going to
Speaker 1: be the easy gig. So when you went through ser
Speaker 1: your training, I'm trying to think now how I would
Speaker 1: phrase this here. Do you remember the first time you
Speaker 1: got deployed?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And was it what you expected? Was it easier, was
Speaker 1: it harder? Was it completely different? Where was your mindset?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: So so I have two separate categories of the ploints. Right,
Speaker 3: So my very first deployment was two months out of
Speaker 3: basic training in two thousand and three. Wow, and I
Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting it. And I remember vividly being in
Speaker 3: basic training anait for Lynnwood, Missouri, and the drill sergeant,
Speaker 3: you know, they would prank us. They would wake us
Speaker 3: up in the middle of the night and they would
Speaker 3: tell us, Hey, pack your bags. We just got the call.
Speaker 3: You don't have to finish a You're going to Iraq,
Speaker 3: you know, because that that was the initial.
Speaker 2: Push into Iraq. Right, so we're all freaking out. We're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, what's going on? You know.
Speaker 1: You went in in the wild West days then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I joined in two thousand and three. So
Speaker 3: here we are, We're a bunch of privates were freaking out,
Speaker 3: and they were like, I don't worry about it, going.
Speaker 2: And go back up stairs, you know, go back to sleep.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So it was their way of, you know, making us
Speaker 3: mentally tough or starting that process.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So fast forward two months later, I get to my
Speaker 3: unit July of two thousand and three, and then I
Speaker 3: get to my unit and my I meet my squad
Speaker 3: leader and he looks at me and he tells me, hey,
Speaker 3: don't unpack your duffel bags.
Speaker 2: We're deploying in two months to Iraq. You know.
Speaker 3: So I just left basic training and I played those
Speaker 3: games before. So I looked at him like, yeah, right,
Speaker 3: Like I'm not going anywhere. So I went to my
Speaker 3: barracks room, I unpacked all my stuff with in the
Speaker 3: wall loocker, and then I went on, you know, business
Speaker 3: as usual.
Speaker 2: But he was right.
Speaker 3: Two months later, I was in Iraq conducting a rock
Speaker 3: clarence four convoys that were going through.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah, now, I'm assuming it was different once
Speaker 1: you became a green Berry and got deployed. Everybody I've
Speaker 1: talked to says pretty much the same thing, that they
Speaker 1: felt much more equipped mentally and physically to be able
Speaker 1: to do things. Is that about right with you too?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, Because so my deployment with big armies, we like
Speaker 3: to call it the conventional unit, it was more so reactive, right.
Speaker 3: So I would go out there, conduct rock clarence. We
Speaker 3: find an ID, we sit on it, eod coms, they
Speaker 3: blow it. If we get shot at, we shoot back.
Speaker 2: Right and U.
Speaker 3: So it was completely different from when I had my
Speaker 3: first deployment with special Forces. We were being very proactive.
Speaker 3: We were going after the enemy before they can get
Speaker 3: you know, the ID in place on the road.
Speaker 2: Right, we were chasing them and keeping them.
Speaker 3: On dead toes as opposed to you know, my previous deployments,
Speaker 3: like we were being hunted. Right, we were driving down
Speaker 3: the road, id's going off, and I said, we had
Speaker 3: no idea where the enemy was and where they were
Speaker 3: shooting from.
Speaker 2: Uh So that's that was the biggest difference for me.
Speaker 1: That's a big difference, A big difference. By the way, folks, again,
Speaker 1: we're talking to Green Beret Jay Dorlias. You can find
Speaker 1: them a Green Underscore Beret under Berets Underscore Chronicles, Green
Speaker 1: Beret Chronicles on Instagram. If you're on the gram as
Speaker 1: they call it sometimes. I know, I'm always curious to see.
Speaker 1: I'm being hesitant here, folks. I know he can only
Speaker 1: tell me so much. I'm trying to phrase this properly.
Speaker 1: Your first gun battle, I guess, yeah, everybody wants to know.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like the crowd thing. So I try
Speaker 1: to get one of those questions, and but do you
Speaker 1: remember your first gun battle? Was there anything you thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, so, because we all grew up watching television, like
Speaker 3: we all see the action movies, and you know, I'm
Speaker 3: a big.
Speaker 1: Uh eight, I was gonna say, you're much younger the
Speaker 1: fifty one. Yeah, you grew up in the what era
Speaker 1: were you in? No after you still?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh so, I'm thirty eight. So I I grew
Speaker 2: up watching.
Speaker 3: You know, sly Stone, you know Cigal and all those
Speaker 3: strata like those who are my my three dudes. So
Speaker 3: growing up and watching those action movies like you see,
Speaker 3: you know, the the gunfights and going into it like
Speaker 3: I knew that's not how it was, but.
Speaker 2: Seeing it on the battlefield is completely different.
Speaker 3: And I remember vividly my my very verse one, right,
Speaker 3: because everybody remembers the first one. We were you know,
Speaker 3: doing work in Afghanistan, and we were leaving an objective
Speaker 3: and as we were leaving, like I heard the gunfire
Speaker 3: and then I saw the impact righting around my ankles
Speaker 3: and I just saw like dirt kicking up.
Speaker 2: And it took me a while to process it. It's like,
Speaker 2: did I just get shot at? And I'm the new
Speaker 2: guy on the team.
Speaker 3: So I'm just standing there like, oh man, I'm getting
Speaker 3: shot at and everyone else is just returning fire. And
Speaker 3: I got yelled at by my us, by my senior
Speaker 3: to you know, shoot back. So that was my very
Speaker 3: first experience, and I just remember thinking to myself like,
Speaker 3: oh man, it's it's it's nothing like the movies at all.
Speaker 1: Now, what role did you have when you first started?
Speaker 1: I forget the names of all of the his Echo
Speaker 1: and Charlie and all these.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I went from being a combat Engineer twelve
Speaker 3: Ravo to a Special Forces Engineer Sergeant eighteen Charlie. So
Speaker 3: I was a junior Charlie on my first team when
Speaker 3: I started.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, and yeah, you had how many roles did
Speaker 1: you say you had? You had about three or four
Speaker 1: different roles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've had three separate roles. So I was
Speaker 3: a junior Charlie. Then I did senior Charlie. You normally
Speaker 3: get those after three or four years on a team.
Speaker 3: The senior Charlie you'll move on to go do something else.
Speaker 3: You'll replace him, and then you'll get a newer special
Speaker 3: Forces guy from the qualification course.
Speaker 2: He'll work under you.
Speaker 3: Once I was done with that, I went to the
Speaker 3: schoolhouse and I was an instructor over at the eighteen
Speaker 3: trolley committee for three years. I got promoted. Then I
Speaker 3: took over as a team sergeant. So I was running
Speaker 3: my own detachment for approximately two years before I became
Speaker 3: a first sergeant, which is what I am now, and
Speaker 3: I'm getting ready to retire here.
Speaker 2: Like I said hopefully around April, did you.
Speaker 1: Have a favorite or did you like a MA tell you.
Speaker 3: What I love the first sergeant correction. I love the
Speaker 3: team sergeant job because I am literally like the most
Speaker 3: powerful guy in the team room.
Speaker 2: And I'm.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna use a quote from Spider Man here that says,
Speaker 3: you know, with great power comes great responsibility. In that like,
Speaker 3: I have nine guys under me that I am responsible
Speaker 3: for coaching, mentoring, and they will literally do anything that
Speaker 3: I say to do. And that's powerful when you got
Speaker 3: you know, like the type of guys that you know,
Speaker 3: Special Forces creates, and you all controlling them, right, It's
Speaker 3: like I can let them loose at any given time,
Speaker 3: or I could pull the chains back at any given time.
Speaker 3: So the team, So one job was probably the best
Speaker 3: and most fulfilling job that I've had until this day.
Speaker 3: Even though I'm two years remove, Like I still get
Speaker 3: you know, calls and text messages from the guys that
Speaker 3: I've coached and mentored, you know, and they're still asking
Speaker 3: me for feedback.
Speaker 2: There. I'm still helping them, you know.
Speaker 3: So that's that's definitely one other job that I'm going
Speaker 3: to miss the most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely a band of brothers that. Yes, I
Speaker 1: have seen that with a lot of the almost every
Speaker 1: single Special Forces group I've seen. Yeah, yeah, it's that's
Speaker 1: a it's a fascinating thing. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: Christopher a second. You can let me know if it's
Speaker 1: too personal or not. But are you the oldest.
Speaker 2: Out of your siblings? No? No, so I'm the third
Speaker 2: oldest out of eight kids.
Speaker 1: Okay, And and uh, the reason I ask I'm always
Speaker 1: curious because I know, most of the Special Forces guys
Speaker 1: so far, I think almost all of them have been
Speaker 1: either onlies or oldest, because you know the role of
Speaker 1: the oldest is usually taking charge. They have responsibilities they're given.
Speaker 1: Did you have as growing up too, Did you have
Speaker 1: to take care of the younger ones at all? Or
Speaker 1: that's fascinating to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: My folks had kids in twos, right, so my older
Speaker 3: brother and my oldest sister, they're like a pair, and
Speaker 3: then there's.
Speaker 2: Me and my younger.
Speaker 3: Brother, and then there's you know, two other parents for
Speaker 3: a total of eight kids, and we we.
Speaker 2: Kind of took care of each other, right.
Speaker 3: So my older brother he would be responsible for taking
Speaker 3: care of my sister, and then I was responsible for taking.
Speaker 2: Care of my brother.
Speaker 3: The four of us were born in Haiti and then
Speaker 3: the bottom four they were born in the States, So
Speaker 3: that's how we were split up.
Speaker 2: But but I always tell my my siblings that.
Speaker 3: In every family or in every you know, like if
Speaker 3: you look at the vendor bills and you look at
Speaker 3: you know, like all the most powerful families, like at
Speaker 3: every given point, there was a guy that said, Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna, you know, put this family on my shoulders
Speaker 3: and make it you know, unnamed that's going to be
Speaker 3: recognized by the world. And I'm definitely that in my family.
Speaker 3: As far as I'm the one that you know is
Speaker 3: doing you know, special Forces, I'm the one that's investing
Speaker 3: and you know, becoming the first millionaire in the family,
Speaker 3: and I'm taking care of all the other ones, you know.
Speaker 3: So no, even though I'm not the oldest, I am
Speaker 3: you know, I guess de protector of my family.
Speaker 2: That's just it's just a very large family to protectase
Speaker 2: that's a them, you know.
Speaker 3: But but yes, I am that guy for my family
Speaker 3: and I do everything that I can to make sure
Speaker 3: that they're taking care of mainly because I know where
Speaker 3: we come from as far as you know our history
Speaker 3: and answer.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, that's interesting. Thank you for sharing that. And
Speaker 1: this is not again, folks, not a criticism for if
Speaker 1: you're the youngest or you're the middle that it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you can't make it into special Forces. But it
Speaker 1: is funny to see the correlation between this sibling order
Speaker 1: and special Forces people. I don't think I've ever had
Speaker 1: anybody who's the youngest yet. There was one, but I
Speaker 1: think it didn't classify because if there's a five year
Speaker 1: gap or more, you get switched into an only category
Speaker 1: because the other child gets exposed to school, so you
Speaker 1: don't have the interaction with your parents. So it changes
Speaker 1: the dynamic. Interesting, fascinating, And I now want to switch
Speaker 1: a little bit over now to Green break Chronicles. And
Speaker 1: this is something correct me if I'm wrong, but I
Speaker 1: know a lot of Green Berets. They're running one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty miles an hour. We talked about this with
Speaker 1: Tu Lamb. You probably remember him, and he said, it's
Speaker 1: a heck of an experience when you're running f one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty and all of a sudden you hit
Speaker 1: a dead stop when you get out. Now, is this
Speaker 1: part of the Green Beret Chronicles goal as well? Is
Speaker 1: it the help individuals just after?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: So, so this concept came about. I was sitting behind the desk.
Speaker 3: I was newly appointed, you know, first sergeant. So I'm
Speaker 3: I'm going from tactical to more admin. Right now, I
Speaker 3: have my own company and I'm managing a bunch of
Speaker 3: guys in the schoolhouse. So I'm no longer running and gunning.
Speaker 3: I'm not like I'm not doing any other fun stuff anymore.
Speaker 3: And I I've been in the regiment long enough to
Speaker 3: know that when guys get out, if they don't have
Speaker 3: a purpose or a mission, things typically go south. Some
Speaker 3: guys are lucky enough to have a good support system, some.
Speaker 1: Aret you know.
Speaker 3: And what I wanted was, you know, to get out
Speaker 3: and have my next mission lined up, so I didn't
Speaker 3: skip a beat. And one of the things that I
Speaker 3: love to do is, you know, I love to coach.
Speaker 3: I love to teach, I love to mentor. I truly
Speaker 3: believe that you know, everyone, regardless of who you are,
Speaker 3: you're entitled to great leadership, right and what better leadership
Speaker 3: exists than you know, a brotherhood of Special Forces operators
Speaker 3: that's you know, been the war that's led at the
Speaker 3: highest level when the States were the highest. So I
Speaker 3: decided to start Greenberg Chronicles to you know, extend my
Speaker 3: team room and you know, take on whoever is willing
Speaker 3: to listen to what I'm putting out and hope that
Speaker 3: I can help them in one way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, you're absolutely right, because I know a
Speaker 1: lot of individuals. It's kind of funny because it's not
Speaker 1: just Special Forces. A lot of encountered and other professions,
Speaker 1: especially if they get their identity wrapped up a lot
Speaker 1: into that profession. Do you find that the case a
Speaker 1: lot of times too, that individuals I'm a Green Bereat,
Speaker 1: That's who I am, and then when they stop, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, whoever, we'll just make up a name,
Speaker 1: Bob feels like, wait a minute, I'm not a Green
Speaker 1: Beret anymore. I don't exist anymore. Do you find that
Speaker 1: to be the case too?
Speaker 2: Sometimes it is?
Speaker 3: It is, and some guys just don't know how to stop,
Speaker 3: you know, nothing against them. They you know, that's their
Speaker 3: identity and they don't know anything else from that, and
Speaker 3: when that, you know, goes away, then they struggle. I
Speaker 3: was fortunate enough to, you know, have a lot of
Speaker 3: things going on while I was in to allowed me
Speaker 3: to you know, follow this venture. And what I'm trying
Speaker 3: to do is give those guys a new purpose. You know,
Speaker 3: So at any given time, the guys that I know,
Speaker 3: they know that that morning, welcome to you know, come
Speaker 3: on a YouTube channel with me and share their story
Speaker 3: to help motivate the next generation of soft soldiers because
Speaker 3: you know, like I've been doing this for twenty years
Speaker 3: I've got, you know, a plethora of experience.
Speaker 2: You know that I came in on No. Three. All
Speaker 2: I've done is deployed. You know, I don't want all
Speaker 2: that to go to waste.
Speaker 3: If I can share it with a eighteen and nineteen
Speaker 3: year old that's trying to join the military or trying
Speaker 3: to joint usoff, if I can share that experience with
Speaker 3: him to keep him from making some of the same
Speaker 3: mistakes that were made before me, then why not? You know,
Speaker 3: And as not a veteran in the world that doesn't
Speaker 3: want to you know, coach, teach a mentor.
Speaker 2: The next generation.
Speaker 3: You know, they just need a platform, you know, and
Speaker 3: they just need to know that it's okay for them
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 1: Oh that is popular in that circle.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Huh. That's interesting. So that's one of the things we're
Speaker 1: going to be working with them, is trying to help
Speaker 1: them do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I got a couple of guys lined up,
Speaker 3: Like I'll start eventually sitting down with guys and just
Speaker 3: doing like a podcast style eight of you where they
Speaker 3: just sit down with me and then they just let
Speaker 3: it all out, you know, just talk about the experiences
Speaker 3: and you know what they went through because it's therapeutic
Speaker 3: for me, you know what I'm doing. And I know
Speaker 3: a lot of guys enjoy writing, but some guys might enjoy,
Speaker 3: you know, getting in front of the camera and just
Speaker 3: letting everybody know what they went through and how I
Speaker 3: made them feel, so on.
Speaker 2: And so forth. So I just want to give them
Speaker 2: that platform.
Speaker 1: That's really cool. That's a great thing to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the only thing a lot of them. I think some
Speaker 1: of the ones I've seen who struggled have had that,
Speaker 1: and I think too Lamb talked about it too, So
Speaker 1: that's a great platform. Again, folks, it's Green Underscore for
Speaker 1: Rey Underscore chronicles. Let me ask you this when you
Speaker 1: I know here you were in operations. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think what I can do. I guess I won't be
Speaker 1: able to ask you. Well, I guess I'll try, and
Speaker 1: you can always tell me you can't say it. But
Speaker 1: is there any terrains you preferred? I have talked to
Speaker 1: Navy seals and some of them hated the jungles, some
Speaker 1: of them love the jungles. Anything you prefer, desert jungles,
Speaker 1: mountainous urban type of environments, anything like that that you preferred.
Speaker 2: I prefer land land. Yeah, I guess mountains. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was on a mountain team when I had my team,
Speaker 3: so I'm trained in mountain warfare, so I'm definitely I
Speaker 3: definitely love fighting in the mountains. I'm not a a seal,
Speaker 3: so I don't like doing stuff on the water. And
Speaker 3: it's gonna sound crazy, but something about just being on
Speaker 3: land and you know, looking for your enemy and they're
Speaker 3: shooting at you, and you're shooting at them and you're
Speaker 3: you know, playing chess and trying to figure out how
Speaker 3: to take them out. Something about that just excites me.
Speaker 3: It sounds a little crazy, but so yes, do answer
Speaker 3: your question mountains me, Yes.
Speaker 1: Mountains really? Okay, Yes, I think that's great. That's interesting
Speaker 1: to me that I'm always curious to which kind of
Speaker 1: terrains are going to deal with. Yeah, and what else
Speaker 1: does Green Beret Chronicles offer for the individuals out there?
Speaker 1: They haven't heard about it, We're either that. Does it
Speaker 1: also offer preparation for people try to get into the
Speaker 1: Green Berets or a soft community?
Speaker 2: Yes? So right now I have a YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: That that anybody can go to. Right on the channel,
Speaker 3: what I'm doing is I'm offering a variety of prep courses,
Speaker 3: just basic stuff that a lot of guys don't know,
Speaker 3: and I feel like that everybody should know, right, So,
Speaker 3: how to you know, how to take care of your feet,
Speaker 3: you know how to break in your boots, you know
Speaker 3: the type of boots that you need for selection, how
Speaker 3: to land navigate, how to tie not So I'm helping
Speaker 3: individuals get through selection, and then once they get through selection,
Speaker 3: get through the Q course and then eventually get to
Speaker 3: a team. Once they get to the Special Forces ODA,
Speaker 3: then I will make myself available to mentor them, right
Speaker 3: because the worst place you can be as a new
Speaker 3: guy is to show up on a team and not
Speaker 3: know what to expect, right. So I want to help
Speaker 3: brace that gap with the twenty plus years of experiences
Speaker 3: that I have. So I offer all of that through
Speaker 3: the YouTube channel for anybody that's interested in going Special Forces,
Speaker 3: and thus far I've had a pretty good success. I
Speaker 3: also have what's called a discord set up. It's like
Speaker 3: a big chat room with about right now, fifty dudes,
Speaker 3: some of them just got back from selection, crushed it.
Speaker 3: So they're able to tell the other guys that are
Speaker 3: waiting to go, like, Hey, what Jay's putting out is legit.
Speaker 2: This is what I experience.
Speaker 3: Make sure you you know Rockie using this type of
Speaker 3: boots or hey, make sure you spent a lot of
Speaker 3: time on land av stay away from the roads. I'm
Speaker 3: starting to build a community to where I can you know,
Speaker 3: help influence you know, guys actually get into the regiment
Speaker 3: by sharing my.
Speaker 2: Experience with them. And it's so far, it's it's working out.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a great resource.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, Yeah, because when I went through in
Speaker 3: two thousand and five, none of that exists, you know,
Speaker 3: like you go to a YouTube and or Google and
Speaker 3: you you know, looked up you know, selection and nothing exists.
Speaker 3: You know, And I'm a firm believer. And hey, like
Speaker 3: we're slowly, you know, moving towards the era of you know,
Speaker 3: technology just running everything. You know, like the new generation
Speaker 3: they want information and if they can't find the information, they're.
Speaker 2: Just not going to go to selection.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's it's not that or if they want it bad enough,
Speaker 3: they'll figure it out. That's not the case anymore, you know.
Speaker 3: Really they want the information. They want to know what
Speaker 3: they're getting themselves into, you know, and the question that
Speaker 3: they're asking it's nothing that they shouldn't know. You know,
Speaker 3: it's not like top secret stuff. It's basic questions. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, man, like this is what it is.
Speaker 3: And then they take it, they're digest it, and next
Speaker 3: thing I know, they're coming back saying, hey, Jay, I
Speaker 3: just finished selection. I crushed it. I appreciate the feedback.
Speaker 3: And now they're getting ready to move onto the Q course.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you think jack that pops up?
Speaker 1: By the way, folks, you can find that YouTube channel
Speaker 1: called Green Great Chronicles. Green Gray Chronicles got some really
Speaker 1: cool titles here you can look at. I have shades
Speaker 1: of want to be Special Forces leading Special Forces men.
Speaker 1: He's got one I want to look at and know
Speaker 1: if I should ask him, because then you want to
Speaker 1: look at the channel. It's five books every man must read.
Speaker 1: I'm really curious about that. I'm a big reader. He
Speaker 1: knows that the hardest thing I ever had to do
Speaker 1: in Special Forces, which is one of the ones I
Speaker 1: had the most views. So there's some great topics. You
Speaker 1: want to go check out Green Breay Chronicles over on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's is there a benefit or a
Speaker 1: pro or con to having somebody not know whether they're
Speaker 1: going into something like that or do you think, you
Speaker 1: know what, knowing a little bit like you said, can
Speaker 1: make a difference.
Speaker 3: I think no one. A little bit can make a difference, right,
Speaker 3: because it helps you prepare, right, it helps you prepare
Speaker 3: for what you're about to face. If you go to
Speaker 3: selection not knowing that you got to do a forty
Speaker 3: you know mile rock at the end of it, and
Speaker 3: how are you supposed to prepare for it? You know,
Speaker 3: you're just going to up and do a forty row
Speaker 3: and do a forty miler right then and there you're.
Speaker 1: Actually you're actually helping the Green Berets themselves in regards
Speaker 1: to people who could have been great candidates or great
Speaker 1: Green Berets, maybe would have bombed on that forty my
Speaker 1: hown rock, like you said, because they weren't prepared for it.
Speaker 1: But if they were, they would have passed everything else. Rightah.
Speaker 2: So when I was a.
Speaker 3: When I was a first sergeant in the schoolhouse, every
Speaker 3: couple of months we would get you know, a bunch
Speaker 3: of let me phrase that, every couple of months, I
Speaker 3: would see a bunch of you know kids, all students
Speaker 3: that's felled out of selection. And I made it my
Speaker 3: my purpose to speak to some of them and just
Speaker 3: hear what their thoughts all right. I would ask him, hey,
Speaker 3: what did you think about selection?
Speaker 2: Or what you fail? And will you ever go back?
Speaker 3: And some of the kids that I met there were
Speaker 3: you know, solid kids, and they were just not prepared
Speaker 3: for what they were going to face, you know. And
Speaker 3: I truly believe, having been in the regiment for the
Speaker 3: past fifteen years, that some of those guys could have
Speaker 3: been great Special Forces operators had they known.
Speaker 2: How to properly prepared, you know.
Speaker 3: So that also factored into my decision to start a
Speaker 3: prep course to help those guys out.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So after doing a ton of research, I came across
Speaker 3: Sean Rodgers and I saw what he was doing, and
Speaker 3: I was like, man, I wish I had that when
Speaker 3: I was, you know, getting ready for selection, because I
Speaker 3: lucked out because my squad leader had just went so
Speaker 3: I had the ability to pick his brain, right, But
Speaker 3: some of these guys they don't have anything, you know,
Speaker 3: They're just out there just figuring it out, you know.
Speaker 3: And I truly think that we're doing ourselves at disservice
Speaker 3: if we don't help educate them on what to expect.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I really do think that's a
Speaker 1: great point. Sean. I remember Sean, he was great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we interviewed him last year. No, it's I
Speaker 1: never thought about it that way. But if I can
Speaker 1: see your point, it makes it. You should definitely catch
Speaker 1: a lot of more people they're going to be qualified,
Speaker 1: because I was assuming some of those guys. If they
Speaker 1: didn't just I just picked the forty mile ruck. But
Speaker 1: if they didn't make it, the public a disillusion and
Speaker 1: said I'm not cut out to be it, and they're gone,
Speaker 1: when in fact, if they were prepared, that wouldn't have
Speaker 1: made a difference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you still got to keep in mind that
Speaker 3: they're being assessed for more than just their physical capabilities.
Speaker 3: They're looking for the entire package. So it just because
Speaker 3: one guy knows that, hey, I got forty more up.
Speaker 3: Just because one guy knows that, hey, I have a
Speaker 3: forty mileter coming up, and he trained his butt off
Speaker 3: to crush it, he still has to.
Speaker 2: Perform in all the other areas.
Speaker 3: Right, I can give you the answers to the tests,
Speaker 3: you still got to show up and perform, right, I
Speaker 3: can't give you heart, you know, I can't give that
Speaker 3: to you. You can know, you know what the schedule
Speaker 3: looks like. You know, day by day, you still got
Speaker 3: to show up every day in those conditions without the
Speaker 3: sleep and perform, you know. And there was a documentary
Speaker 3: that came out two weeks in hell where you know,
Speaker 3: they followed that entire selection class, you know, and it's
Speaker 3: no secret what selection is about. Yet guys are still
Speaker 3: not getting selected. That just goes to show you that,
Speaker 3: you know, guys are still you know, they're still missing
Speaker 3: stuff even though they know what the answer to the
Speaker 3: test is.
Speaker 1: It's so fascinating. I think one of the greatest quotes
Speaker 1: is going to be at least in this arena of
Speaker 1: martial arts, sports, special forces, they seem to have some
Speaker 1: kind of commonality. But I think Mike Tyson's quote will
Speaker 1: live forever. Everybody's got a plan till they get punched
Speaker 1: in the face. And yes, I can see it apply
Speaker 1: here in selection as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is very accurate.
Speaker 1: Very I don't know if it's his or not. I
Speaker 1: have to find out that it actually originated from him,
Speaker 1: but it lives an infamy now, I guess. Now our
Speaker 1: last couple of minutes together, you're getting ready to sign off,
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, and are you looking forward
Speaker 1: to going into the civilian life to some degree or
Speaker 1: I am?
Speaker 3: I am, I'm I think this chapter of my life
Speaker 3: is comeing to an end, and I've never been more
Speaker 3: excited in my life.
Speaker 2: To see what the future.
Speaker 3: Holds, mainly because, like I'm ready to take my leadership,
Speaker 3: you know, on the international stage. I guess you can say,
Speaker 3: you know, by dedicating everything I've got to the YouTube channel,
Speaker 3: to coaching these young kids that are reaching out on
Speaker 3: a daily basis, and just helping them experience what you
Speaker 3: know the regiment has to offer, you know, and hope
Speaker 3: that the regiment could do for them what it did
Speaker 3: for me as far as you know, raising me to
Speaker 3: become the man that I.
Speaker 1: Am to I guess my last few questions before we
Speaker 1: wrap up. First, I'll ask I know you have five
Speaker 1: books that you're recommended there, but is there any book
Speaker 1: you would recommend for anybody looking at you in the
Speaker 1: Special Forces? You thought, tell me one of the five
Speaker 1: you want to mention as I must read for anybody.
Speaker 3: Yes, So, I truly believe that to Get Selected is
Speaker 3: a preparation book that I read myself when I was
Speaker 3: getting ready for selection and then chosen So by Dick
Speaker 3: Couch is a really good one, and if anybody out
Speaker 3: there is looking. And then my buddy Ryan Hendrickston has
Speaker 3: a really good book called Tip of the Spear. And
Speaker 3: then Nick Lavery, an old third Group guy, He's got
Speaker 3: a really good book about, you know, resiliency and what
Speaker 3: he had to go through to get back to active
Speaker 3: duty after getting hurt. So I definitely recommend that any
Speaker 3: one looking at becoming special forces read those four books.
Speaker 2: I think that'll give them a head start.
Speaker 1: I guess this is this is too broad of a
Speaker 1: question to ask, so I'll try to pinpoint a little
Speaker 1: bit any words of advice for either somebody going into
Speaker 1: the military for the first time. They're eighteen or nineteen,
Speaker 1: they're going to go into the army, but they have
Speaker 1: the intention of becoming special Forces. What should they be
Speaker 1: doing when they go into the army to get ready
Speaker 1: for that, or should they be doing anything?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if they're looking at going into the military again,
Speaker 3: if you're not already there, just start training right physical fitness.
Speaker 3: If you're once you get in, just do what you're told.
Speaker 3: Like the Army's always been easy to me, and I
Speaker 3: excel at it because I always tell people that don't
Speaker 3: buff the system. Like someone would literally tell you where
Speaker 3: to be, what uniform to be in, what time to
Speaker 3: be there, and what you need to do. All you
Speaker 3: got to do is just show up and do those
Speaker 3: things and you won't have a problem at all. If
Speaker 3: you do those things, you'll get promoted like nobody's business right,
Speaker 3: and you'll excel in the military. So if the military
Speaker 3: is you'll go. That's my advice to you.
Speaker 1: Do what you're told. Yes, I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1: Told again folks, Jay Dourley is. You can find them
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Green Beret Chronicles is Green Underscore Beret Underscore Chronicles.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Jay again for taking the time
Speaker 1: to be with us.
Speaker 2: No problem, sir, I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you everyone for listening. Hey, you know what to do, share, subscribe,
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Speaker 1: you're interested in becoming a soft member a soft operator
Speaker 1: if you already are, a thank you for your service
Speaker 1: as well if you're in the military and you're not
Speaker 1: deciding to do that, but either way, thank you for
Speaker 1: your service. Thank you everyone.