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There's always any more time. 21 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:06.719 Welcome to the show, the Green Berey or Jay Dorlias. 22 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:07.280 Welcome sir. 23 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:09.280 That's going sir. Thank you for having me. 24 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:11.640 As I mentioned before the show, I wanted to say 25 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:13.000 it again in front of the public too, but thank 26 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:14.359 you very much for your service day. 27 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:15.599 Yeah, thank you. 28 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:18.680 So, I guess my first question was, I know a 29 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:20.879 lot of people get sick of it, but I'm curious 30 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:23.040 what got you motivated to become a Green Beret. 31 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:25.200 So's uh. 32 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:29.040 I think my story is a little bit unorthodox because 33 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:33.480 most I'm sure most guys you speak with, you know, 34 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:36.599 they they either come from it as far as instantry, 35 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:38.400 or they you know, saw a movie. 36 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:40.599 For me, it was none of those, right, it was 37 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:41.359 you know. 38 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.640 I was at Fort Riley, Kansas, you know, five years 39 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:49.400 in into my military career, and I had a squad leader. 40 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:54.879 You know, he was just just this you know, hard ass, 41 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:57.959 just badass squad leader like I looked up to him. 42 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:01.560 And he went to selection. 43 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:06.359 Before then, I knew nothing about you know, special forces 44 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.479 or any of that stuff. So he went to selection 45 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:13.439 and he came back and he was a twenty eight 46 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:17.680 day none select and it just blew my mind. I'm like, 47 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:21.680 here's this guy, just the best at the Army has 48 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.759 to offer. And he went and he got turned around 49 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:26.919 and he didn't even get any feedback as to why 50 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:33.840 he didn't get selected, and that motivated me to, you know, 51 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:36.639 be the best that I can be. So I followed 52 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.599 in his footstep and I went to selection and. 53 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:40.400 I got picked up. 54 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.960 Until this day, he still gives me crap about it, 55 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:46.240 you know, the fact that I went and got selected 56 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:49.879 and that he didn't. We still go back and forth 57 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:53.960 about that. So that right there was my motivating factor was, 58 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:56.159 you know, my squad leader. 59 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.199 And by the way, folks, Jay is actually currently still 60 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:05.560 a Green Beret. So this is one of our first 61 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:09.599 times we've actually interviewed somebody. Well maybe Ryan Henderson too, 62 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:11.000 I think we talked about that before. He might have 63 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:13.800 still been active as well, but not that I remember. 64 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:13.919 Now. 65 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:16.879 I've interviewed I think over forty or fifty Special Forces 66 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:18.479 and I think this is the first one that I've 67 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:21.840 had that's actually still active. So I guess I guess 68 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:23.879 the reason I asked that Jay is because I was 69 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:26.680 curious about seer training. Everybody I had talked to who's 70 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:29.840 become a Green Beret loved Seer training. I thought it 71 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:32.759 was the best train they've ever had. I know there's 72 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:35.719 the downsides to it, of course, but did you find 73 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:36.719 it to be the same for you? 74 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:40.639 So it was like I always tell people when they 75 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:43.360 ask me that question, that you know that that training 76 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:47.560 was probably the best training that I've had throughout my 77 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:52.319 military career. Not not free fall, not sniper, not any 78 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:54.120 o the other training that I've been to, but it 79 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:58.439 was definitely Seer training. I've I've learned a lot about 80 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:03.319 myself going into it, Like I I was somewhat you know, 81 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:08.280 cocky because when it comes to hardship, I've experienced it, 82 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:10.960 you know, being from Haiti and growing up in New 83 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:15.479 York City, like I've experienced hardship. I've experienced hunger, I've 84 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:19.480 experienced you know, losing sleep. So I went into stair 85 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:22.360 training thinking that, oh, this is gonna be a walking 86 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:26.879 the park, but I was quickly humbled. So it's definitely 87 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:32.600 uh one of the courses that I loved. And when 88 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:37.639 I had my my detachment, I made it a point 89 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:40.639 to get my guys recertify every chance that I had. 90 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:43.800 For that particular course. 91 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:47.879 Interesting. Interesting that your story reminds me a little bit 92 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:50.199 of that Navy seal we interviewed the Remy out of Lucky. 93 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:52.720 Oh, I'm good friends with Remy. 94 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:55.680 All right. Was he from Haiti? 95 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:01.040 No, so Remy's from Nigeria, Nigeria, Okay, yeah. 96 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:02.279 Yeah, because I think it wasn't as I thought. He 97 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:04.839 came from a Caribbean island of his dad or something. 98 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:07.600 Or No, No, he's out of Africa. Moved to the Bronx. 99 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.079 I came from Haiti. I moved to Brooklyn. So we're 100 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:13.680 right up right across the bridge from each. 101 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:18.519 Other, all right. Very interesting? Yeah, so yeah, because everybody 102 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:20.839 I talked to another Green Berets always found it to 103 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.519 be interesting, and they said was the best of things 104 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:25.360 I've ever learned. I guess I haven't asked them. I'll 105 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.680 ask you. Do you think a lot of the stuff 106 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.639 that you learned? You said, now you've learned more about yourself, 107 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:32.720 which is interesting. I get my hand out of the camera. 108 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:35.959 I'm like blocking myself up. But did you learn a 109 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.839 lot of stuff that would apply to civilian life for you? 110 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:42.800 Things that made you better in civilian life? 111 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:49.959 Yeah, definitely, definitely, just the the never quitting attitude, the 112 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:54.560 you know, not feeling sore for your self attitude. Once 113 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:58.839 I get to the point where I transition, I'm sure 114 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:01.000 that's going to help me out of right, because when 115 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.680 I was in that course, my biggest motivating factor was 116 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:07.879 the fact that, you know, I had guys to my 117 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:11.000 left and guys to my right, and regardless of how 118 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:14.920 bad it god, you know, they were pushing through it, 119 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.160 you know, and that kind of made me look inside 120 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:21.480 myself and say to myself, like, wait a minute. If 121 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:24.800 that guy's pushing through it, you know, and he's embracing 122 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:27.519 the same suck as I am, then why am I 123 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:28.839 feeling sorry for myself? 124 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:29.120 Right? 125 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.120 So that gave me the extra kit that I needed to, 126 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:36.079 you know, keep going forward, keep pushing myself, and I 127 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.560 think a lot could be well, I know. 128 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.720 A lot will be transferred to the civilian sector. Right where. 129 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:45.560 You know it, the sun shines on everybody, it rains 130 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.519 on everybody. When things happen to me, then I need 131 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:52.160 to take it as Okay, this happens like this is 132 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:55.399 I'm not the first person that this has happened to, right, 133 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.519 So let me keep pushing, let me keep moving forward 134 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:00.480 and make the best side of it. 135 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:03.839 That's the interesting thing is every time I've interviewed people 136 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:08.439 in Special Forces, and this is not a criticism of 137 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.600 anybody else in the military, but you guys are special 138 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:14.720 in some capacities. I mean the intelligence level, the ability 139 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:20.160 to be cognitive cognitively flexible, as we say in my 140 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:22.680 world of psychology, which is being able to, Hey, this 141 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:24.800 doesn't work. I got to try something else that didn't work. 142 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:26.399 I got to try something else. And the only place 143 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:29.959 I've ever seen it besides you is Special Forces, being 144 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.680 is Olympic athletes and professional athletes. Is when I asked, 145 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.120 I interviewed Larry Holmes. I don't if you remember him. 146 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:39.160 I interviewed Larry Holmes, and I asked him, what did 147 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:41.920 you think about when he knocked you down? Did you think, 148 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:43.879 oh my god, this guy's stronger than I thought? Did 149 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:47.120 you think this is over? And it was interesting because 150 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.360 his mindset was now. I didn't say that, I said, 151 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:50.720 the heck am I gonna beat him? How am I 152 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:53.199 going to get up and knock him out? And when 153 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:55.040 I talked to Olympic athletes, it was always the same. 154 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:57.839 They never ruminated about the bad part. They didn't think 155 00:07:57.879 --> 00:07:59.600 about what was happening that was bad. They kept thinking 156 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:02.079 how to overcome it to win, and that was the 157 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:03.879 end of it. And you guys have the same mentality. 158 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:05.120 It's really fascinating to watch. 159 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:07.720 Yeah, well you got to have that, especially when it 160 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:13.560 comes to the job, right when you all going overseas 161 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.800 and you're going total told with an enemy that's doing 162 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:21.240 everything that they can to defeat you, and you are 163 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:24.040 trying to do the same to them, right, Like, you've 164 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:26.839 got to have that how do I overcome how do 165 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:30.000 I out maneuver in order to get to an end state? 166 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:35.639 And it starts in the schoolhouse, right, it starts at selection, 167 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:38.720 it starts at there. It's starts in you know mos 168 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:42.840 Like that's where it all start overcoming challenges. So whenever 169 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:45.639 you do go down range and your face with those obstacles, 170 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:47.440 then it's automatic. 171 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:49.960 Oh man, like enemies. 172 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:51.519 On top of the hill, Like, how do I overcome 173 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:53.720 that to get to them? So I could achieve my 174 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:57.320 ind state? Right, But it's all got to start somewhere. 175 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:00.000 Let me ask you this, and I could be wrong. 176 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:01.879 You let me know. It sounded like when you were 177 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.320 talking when you were living in Haiti, you came from 178 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.200 a tough upbringing. I don't know if you got into 179 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:09.720 street fights or whatever, if it was a tough area 180 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:12.879 that you lived in, but you sound like you had 181 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.399 you had an attitude or a belief in yourself that 182 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.639 you can handle anything. Did when you went through see 183 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.200 your training or through selection, did you feel like you 184 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.519 know what? Hey, I was wrong? But did you come 185 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.720 out saying now I can handle most of anything. I 186 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:32.440 don't know what happened to you, thank psychologically there eighty. 187 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:36.840 Of course, I was exposed to poverty, but most of 188 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:42.080 my experience in Haiti was just uncomfort, starvation, you know, 189 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:46.080 lack of sleep. But none of it prepared me for 190 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:51.679 the mental aspect of sir. I was okay with not sleeping, 191 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:56.080 I was okay with not eating, but all the other 192 00:09:57.080 --> 00:10:02.039 mental challenges I definitely wasn't ready for that. So I 193 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:05.720 went in thinking that I was, you know, billy badass 194 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:09.480 and I was going to crush it. And uh, unbeknown 195 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:12.679 to me, you know, a couple of days into it, 196 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:15.600 you know, I was like a little bird. They they 197 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:20.600 had broken me, you know, and I thought it I 198 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.919 couldn't be broken. But they achieved their task of getting 199 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.360 exactly what they wanted to get out of me. 200 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:30.519 Uh so, yes, physical. 201 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.559 You know, sleep, food like that wasn't an issue, but 202 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:37.120 the mental aspect of it. 203 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.200 I wasn't ready for that at all. So I learned 204 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:40.720 a lot as regards to that. 205 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:44.240 Yeah, I could imagine. So, because that's one of the 206 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:46.720 interesting things. I mean, I wish somebody would create a program, 207 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:50.480 and some people have tried. They've created these little mini 208 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:54.360 courses or many programs, because I think a lot of 209 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:57.000 people would benefit going through a form of seer training. 210 00:10:57.039 --> 00:10:59.320 Obviously not learning everything you guys learned the need for that, 211 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:02.399 but that mental toughness I think would be a huge 212 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.639 in today's society to be able to counter problems and 213 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:05.799 challenges in your own life. 214 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:06.879 It would be. 215 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:10.039 It would be because it been, you know, since I started, 216 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:13.080 you know, this adventure of my majority of the questions 217 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:16.039 that I get, you know from folks that are you know, 218 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.759 try to become Special Forces operators, is hey, how do 219 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.360 I get mentally tough? You know, that's like their number 220 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:25.200 one concern And it's not just something that you can 221 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.279 teach somebody. You know, they have to go through certain 222 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.000 things to you know, get to the point where you 223 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:32.320 know they. 224 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:34.080 Could achieve you know, mental toughness. 225 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:38.080 You know, that's a tough one. That's not going to 226 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:41.279 be the easy gig. So when you went through ser 227 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.440 your training, I'm trying to think now how I would 228 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.960 phrase this here. Do you remember the first time you 229 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:49.679 got deployed? 230 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:51.120 Yeah? 231 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:55.879 And was it what you expected? Was it easier, was 232 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:59.519 it harder? Was it completely different? Where was your mindset? 233 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:00.519 Now? 234 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:06.080 So so I have two separate categories of the ploints. Right, 235 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:10.799 So my very first deployment was two months out of 236 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:17.679 basic training in two thousand and three. Wow, and I 237 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:21.919 I wasn't expecting it. And I remember vividly being in 238 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:27.399 basic training anait for Lynnwood, Missouri, and the drill sergeant, 239 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:29.279 you know, they would prank us. They would wake us 240 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.320 up in the middle of the night and they would 241 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:33.799 tell us, Hey, pack your bags. We just got the call. 242 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:36.799 You don't have to finish a You're going to Iraq, 243 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:39.799 you know, because that that was the initial. 244 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.840 Push into Iraq. Right, so we're all freaking out. We're like, 245 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:44.600 oh my god, what's going on? You know. 246 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:48.320 You went in in the wild West days then. 247 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:53.759 Yeah, yeah, I joined in two thousand and three. So 248 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:56.879 here we are, We're a bunch of privates were freaking out, 249 00:12:57.639 --> 00:12:59.360 and they were like, I don't worry about it, going. 250 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:01.679 And go back up stairs, you know, go back to sleep. 251 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:02.360 You know. 252 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:07.639 So it was their way of, you know, making us 253 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:09.799 mentally tough or starting that process. 254 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:10.399 Right. 255 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:14.399 So fast forward two months later, I get to my 256 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:18.919 unit July of two thousand and three, and then I 257 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.399 get to my unit and my I meet my squad 258 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:24.480 leader and he looks at me and he tells me, hey, 259 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:27.080 don't unpack your duffel bags. 260 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:32.840 We're deploying in two months to Iraq. You know. 261 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:35.080 So I just left basic training and I played those 262 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:38.720 games before. So I looked at him like, yeah, right, 263 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:41.039 Like I'm not going anywhere. So I went to my 264 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.000 barracks room, I unpacked all my stuff with in the 265 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.960 wall loocker, and then I went on, you know, business 266 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:47.559 as usual. 267 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:49.440 But he was right. 268 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:54.279 Two months later, I was in Iraq conducting a rock 269 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:57.559 clarence four convoys that were going through. 270 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:03.840 Oh wow. Yeah, now, I'm assuming it was different once 271 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.840 you became a green Berry and got deployed. Everybody I've 272 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:11.080 talked to says pretty much the same thing, that they 273 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:16.279 felt much more equipped mentally and physically to be able 274 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.200 to do things. Is that about right with you too? 275 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:18.879 Yes? 276 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:23.840 Yes, Because so my deployment with big armies, we like 277 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:30.960 to call it the conventional unit, it was more so reactive, right. 278 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:34.480 So I would go out there, conduct rock clarence. We 279 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.240 find an ID, we sit on it, eod coms, they 280 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:40.200 blow it. If we get shot at, we shoot back. 281 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:41.440 Right and U. 282 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:44.440 So it was completely different from when I had my 283 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:51.399 first deployment with special Forces. We were being very proactive. 284 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:54.519 We were going after the enemy before they can get 285 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.360 you know, the ID in place on the road. 286 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:00.799 Right, we were chasing them and keeping them. 287 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:04.480 On dead toes as opposed to you know, my previous deployments, 288 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:07.840 like we were being hunted. Right, we were driving down 289 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:09.720 the road, id's going off, and I said, we had 290 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.559 no idea where the enemy was and where they were 291 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:13.320 shooting from. 292 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.200 Uh So that's that was the biggest difference for me. 293 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:21.519 That's a big difference, A big difference. By the way, folks, again, 294 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:23.440 we're talking to Green Beret Jay Dorlias. You can find 295 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:27.879 them a Green Underscore Beret under Berets Underscore Chronicles, Green 296 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:31.639 Beret Chronicles on Instagram. If you're on the gram as 297 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:38.759 they call it sometimes. I know, I'm always curious to see. 298 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:41.720 I'm being hesitant here, folks. I know he can only 299 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:43.720 tell me so much. I'm trying to phrase this properly. 300 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:50.720 Your first gun battle, I guess, yeah, everybody wants to know. 301 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:53.159 That's kind of like the crowd thing. So I try 302 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.919 to get one of those questions, and but do you 303 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:59.200 remember your first gun battle? Was there anything you thought 304 00:15:59.240 --> 00:15:59.919 it was going to be? 305 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:01.240 Yes? 306 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:06.159 Yes, so, because we all grew up watching television, like 307 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:09.559 we all see the action movies, and you know, I'm 308 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:10.120 a big. 309 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:15.759 Uh eight, I was gonna say, you're much younger the 310 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:19.639 fifty one. Yeah, you grew up in the what era 311 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:24.639 were you in? No after you still? 312 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:27.720 Yeah? Uh so, I'm thirty eight. So I I grew 313 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:28.679 up watching. 314 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:34.360 You know, sly Stone, you know Cigal and all those 315 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:38.600 strata like those who are my my three dudes. So 316 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:42.240 growing up and watching those action movies like you see, 317 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:48.759 you know, the the gunfights and going into it like 318 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.080 I knew that's not how it was, but. 319 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.440 Seeing it on the battlefield is completely different. 320 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.759 And I remember vividly my my very verse one, right, 321 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:07.680 because everybody remembers the first one. We were you know, 322 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.799 doing work in Afghanistan, and we were leaving an objective 323 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:21.079 and as we were leaving, like I heard the gunfire 324 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:28.359 and then I saw the impact righting around my ankles 325 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:31.599 and I just saw like dirt kicking up. 326 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:35.680 And it took me a while to process it. It's like, 327 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:40.680 did I just get shot at? And I'm the new 328 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:41.480 guy on the team. 329 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.000 So I'm just standing there like, oh man, I'm getting 330 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.599 shot at and everyone else is just returning fire. And 331 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.720 I got yelled at by my us, by my senior 332 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:55.519 to you know, shoot back. So that was my very 333 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:59.240 first experience, and I just remember thinking to myself like, 334 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:01.799 oh man, it's it's it's nothing like the movies at all. 335 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:06.359 Now, what role did you have when you first started? 336 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:08.039 I forget the names of all of the his Echo 337 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:08.960 and Charlie and all these. 338 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:13.160 Yeah, so I went from being a combat Engineer twelve 339 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:19.680 Ravo to a Special Forces Engineer Sergeant eighteen Charlie. So 340 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.880 I was a junior Charlie on my first team when 341 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:24.480 I started. 342 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:29.000 Interesting. Yeah, and yeah, you had how many roles did 343 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:30.400 you say you had? You had about three or four 344 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:31.119 different roles. 345 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:34.119 Yeah, so I've had three separate roles. So I was 346 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:40.680 a junior Charlie. Then I did senior Charlie. You normally 347 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:44.200 get those after three or four years on a team. 348 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.279 The senior Charlie you'll move on to go do something else. 349 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:51.519 You'll replace him, and then you'll get a newer special 350 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:53.440 Forces guy from the qualification course. 351 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:54.279 He'll work under you. 352 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:57.000 Once I was done with that, I went to the 353 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:00.640 schoolhouse and I was an instructor over at the eighteen 354 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:05.400 trolley committee for three years. I got promoted. Then I 355 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:08.319 took over as a team sergeant. So I was running 356 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:14.039 my own detachment for approximately two years before I became 357 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:17.839 a first sergeant, which is what I am now, and 358 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:19.319 I'm getting ready to retire here. 359 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:22.160 Like I said hopefully around April, did you. 360 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:25.119 Have a favorite or did you like a MA tell you. 361 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:29.599 What I love the first sergeant correction. I love the 362 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:36.640 team sergeant job because I am literally like the most 363 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:38.680 powerful guy in the team room. 364 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:41.160 And I'm. 365 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.359 I'm gonna use a quote from Spider Man here that says, 366 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:50.720 you know, with great power comes great responsibility. In that like, 367 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:56.079 I have nine guys under me that I am responsible 368 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:03.599 for coaching, mentoring, and they will literally do anything that 369 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.920 I say to do. And that's powerful when you got 370 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:12.400 you know, like the type of guys that you know, 371 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:17.599 Special Forces creates, and you all controlling them, right, It's 372 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:20.200 like I can let them loose at any given time, 373 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:23.319 or I could pull the chains back at any given time. 374 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:28.519 So the team, So one job was probably the best 375 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:32.519 and most fulfilling job that I've had until this day. 376 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:35.359 Even though I'm two years remove, Like I still get 377 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:38.519 you know, calls and text messages from the guys that 378 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:42.599 I've coached and mentored, you know, and they're still asking 379 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:43.440 me for feedback. 380 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:45.880 There. I'm still helping them, you know. 381 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:50.319 So that's that's definitely one other job that I'm going 382 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:51.640 to miss the most. 383 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:58.319 Yeah, there's definitely a band of brothers that. Yes, I 384 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:00.640 have seen that with a lot of the almost every 385 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:05.599 single Special Forces group I've seen. Yeah, yeah, it's that's 386 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:09.880 a it's a fascinating thing. Let me ask you this, 387 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.240 Christopher a second. You can let me know if it's 388 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:14.480 too personal or not. But are you the oldest. 389 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:19.480 Out of your siblings? No? No, so I'm the third 390 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:23.200 oldest out of eight kids. 391 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:27.960 Okay, And and uh, the reason I ask I'm always 392 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:30.200 curious because I know, most of the Special Forces guys 393 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:31.680 so far, I think almost all of them have been 394 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:35.359 either onlies or oldest, because you know the role of 395 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:39.440 the oldest is usually taking charge. They have responsibilities they're given. 396 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:41.319 Did you have as growing up too, Did you have 397 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:42.680 to take care of the younger ones at all? Or 398 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:46.000 that's fascinating to me. 399 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:48.119 Yeah, I mean. 400 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:53.759 My folks had kids in twos, right, so my older 401 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:59.200