Speaker 1: Oh well, des are, hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name's Jonathan
Speaker 2: Jacob and today Jacob, My good sir, we are going
Speaker 2: to get into haunted RELI have you ever heard of
Speaker 2: the Crying Boy painting?
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 2: This is something that was very prominent back in the
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties over in Europe. I think it was mainly
Speaker 2: in England, and it is quite the fascinating story. Whenever
Speaker 2: you're looking at these paintings, it was it was a
Speaker 2: guy that was creating them, supposed and there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of lore surrounding it as far as like what was
Speaker 2: the ambition for wanting to create the painting and stuff.
Speaker 2: Some people attributed it to the war, Some people attributed
Speaker 2: it to orphanages. Maybe this guy was just a sick
Speaker 2: fuck that loved to see kids cry. It's it's hard
Speaker 2: to try and find information on him because he had
Speaker 2: like four different pseudonyms.
Speaker 3: So it is different paintings are one specific painting that
Speaker 3: may be haunted because as we've got the Google images
Speaker 3: pulled up here, I see a couple of different one
Speaker 3: that's like recurring, but they're not all the same picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he made I I want to say, like over
Speaker 2: a hundred or no, I'm sorry, he made eighty different
Speaker 2: variations of the painting, and as the lore goes, they're
Speaker 2: all haunted. So it is quite the pickle that we're
Speaker 2: going to be getting into here. But uh, but yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: this is I love looking into this kind of shit,
Speaker 2: especially since we just did the Dudley Town, Connecticut episode
Speaker 2: that one I loved getting into. Whenever we're getting into
Speaker 2: to certain hauntings in certain places that are real sketchy. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously a lot of a lot of things that people
Speaker 2: claim are haunted, it's kind of like, uh, it's it's
Speaker 2: it's an attraction, you know, it's not even so much
Speaker 2: that it's haunted. You know, you always like to bring
Speaker 2: up the uh, what is it called the Myrtle's House,
Speaker 2: So the Myrtles Plantation, right, and you knew the people
Speaker 2: that were that that lived there, and it was kind
Speaker 2: of just like a tourist attraction, right.
Speaker 3: Hundred percent, not haunted whatsoever. But the Hollywood people got
Speaker 3: a hold of it in the nineties and now it's
Speaker 3: one of the most haunted places in America.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not, well, we are going to touch
Speaker 2: on it a bit. Supposedly they have a mirror in
Speaker 2: there that is haunted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something where you could see somebody hanging from a
Speaker 3: ceiling fan and it's only in the reflection of the
Speaker 3: mirror where you can see it. Again, my aunt grew
Speaker 3: up there. That's not true. That's a mirror that they
Speaker 3: put in the special effects people. There's another room where
Speaker 3: you walk in and it always smells like lemon pledge
Speaker 3: because allegedly a slave was like cleaning and like it
Speaker 3: used to use lemon juice or something in the cleaning agent,
Speaker 3: and it still smells like it's to this day. It's
Speaker 3: like or the tour guide just put a sprits in
Speaker 3: before the next group came in.
Speaker 2: But all right, yeah, yeah, there's always little touristy attraction
Speaker 2: type things that you can do. But that's not to
Speaker 2: say that certain places aren't haunted, and it's not to
Speaker 2: say that certain things aren't cursed. And that's what we're
Speaker 2: going to get into today, specifically regarding the crying boy
Speaker 2: paintings that were done back in the nineteen fifties. All right,
Speaker 2: here we go. So there are stories that stay with you,
Speaker 2: not because they're full of gore or violence, but because
Speaker 2: they don't make sense. Stories that leave something behind, a chill,
Speaker 2: a silence, an image burned into your mind. Today, we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about one of those stories, a story
Speaker 2: wrapped in sadness, fear, and flame. This goes super deep
Speaker 2: into fire and witchcraft and generational curses. And it's going
Speaker 2: to get weird, dude, because the deeper I looked into this,
Speaker 2: the creepier it got. And so we're gonna be talking
Speaker 2: about this painting or these paintings. Now. It's not not
Speaker 2: just any painting. This one has no moving parts, no
Speaker 2: glowing eyes, no blood, red skies or demons clawing through
Speaker 2: the canvas. It's just a child, a little boy, staring
Speaker 2: back at you with glassy eyes in a single tear
Speaker 2: rolling down his cheek. But behind those eyes there's something else,
Speaker 2: something that has terrified families, baffled firefighters, and followed people
Speaker 2: long after they thought they were safe. This painting has
Speaker 2: been linked to dozens, some say hundreds, of house fires,
Speaker 2: and in almost every case, while everything else was reduced
Speaker 2: to ash, the painting of the crying boy remained untouched, unburned,
Speaker 2: just watching what started as a harmless piece of postwar
Speaker 2: art became the centerpiece of one of the UK's most
Speaker 2: enduring urban legends. It was mass produced, widely owned, and
Speaker 2: later ritually destroyed. But no one knows where the curse
Speaker 2: began or if it ever truly ended. So sit tight
Speaker 2: and whatever you do, don't look away from the crying boy. Damn,
Speaker 2: it's kinda get saucy up in here, dude, So I.
Speaker 3: Could already tell there's gonna be some images associated with it,
Speaker 3: whether it's different pictures of crying boys or whatever. And
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Speaker 3: It's it's become a really fun, uh journey, a very
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Speaker 2: Fuck a tsunami. We're trying to create the Great Flood
Speaker 2: all over again and just soak the entire planet in conspiracy. Baby.
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, And with that flood. Maybe we'll wipe
Speaker 2: out a couple of nephelom. Maybe we'll wipe out a
Speaker 2: couple of unpure breeds. Maybe we'll wipe out the fucking
Speaker 2: painter who possibly cursed the Crying Boy paintings.
Speaker 3: Yes, and is he still alive?
Speaker 2: I don't believe. So okay, good, yeah, because he was
Speaker 2: painting that shit back in the fifties, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, five years ago?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I dude, I still whenever I feel like I'm
Speaker 3: talking like back in the eighties, it still doesn't resonate
Speaker 3: with me that we're talking forty years ago. Mm like
Speaker 3: that that doesn't sound like it was that long ago,
Speaker 3: but oh it was, you know. And so we're talking
Speaker 3: like back in the fifties, Yeah, that was seventy years ago.
Speaker 3: It's like, e yeah, yeah, he's dead.
Speaker 2: I mean, in the realm of time, it's nothing more
Speaker 2: than a queaf to the wind.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: Some people say fart, but I'm like, that's kind of overused.
Speaker 2: We'll go full on crief all right. Anyway, Yeah, right
Speaker 2: out the front. But so, okay, So before we dive
Speaker 2: fully into this story, I do want to bring up
Speaker 2: some certain objects that are cursed and are notoriously cursed
Speaker 2: throughout time, And just to show that this is not
Speaker 2: a one off kind of situation. People have cursed objects
Speaker 2: since the beginning of time. People have cursed objects, people
Speaker 2: have blessed objects. The like objects have the ability somehow
Speaker 2: to hold some kind of magical powers, whether it's blessing,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a curse. You know, I personally I wear
Speaker 2: this necklace rate here. This is called a servitor. This
Speaker 2: was created by our boy lord Byron Jester, and it's
Speaker 2: said to encompass my tulpa MARVH. And I mean it
Speaker 2: could be, you know, just like I believe it. So
Speaker 2: it is kind of thing, but maybe it actually is
Speaker 2: going on in there, right, So let's get to it.
Speaker 2: This is by Mythologyworldwide dot com and they talk about
Speaker 2: cursed art, the dark stories behind famous paintings. So cursed
Speaker 2: art refers to works of art that are believed to
Speaker 2: bear a curse or bring misfortune to their owners or viewers.
Speaker 2: This concept has intrigued art enthusiasts, historians, and general public alike.
Speaker 2: The significance of cursed art in the world lies not
Speaker 2: only in its aesthetic value, but also in the stories
Speaker 2: and legends that accompany it. Often steeped in tragedy and mystery.
Speaker 2: This article aims to delve into the dark narratives that
Speaker 2: surround some of the most famous paintings in history, exploring
Speaker 2: these tales of misfortune, how these tales of misfortune have
Speaker 2: shaped their legacies and impacted the lives that is associated
Speaker 2: with them. So we all know, like looking into especially
Speaker 2: like a lot of ancient art, it was very occult,
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of symbolism. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: sigillism in certain art, and some people believe that that
Speaker 2: actually brings to life whatever there is, or whatever there
Speaker 2: whatever they're trying to superimpose. So if somebody puts, I
Speaker 2: don't know, let's just say an evil eye on a painting, right,
Speaker 2: there are many different views of what evil eyes are.
Speaker 2: You know, you got the idea that you can literally
Speaker 2: and we'll get into this a little bit later. I
Speaker 2: don't know, this is like old folk folk life, or
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I personally believe it. But
Speaker 2: it used to be said that if somebody glares at
Speaker 2: you with an evil or negative intention, that could be
Speaker 2: a curse in and of itself. And so you'll see
Speaker 2: people walking around with those pendants. The evil eye pendance.
Speaker 2: It's like a blue it's they got an emoji for
Speaker 2: it now, But.
Speaker 3: I thought that was supposed to be some sort of
Speaker 3: sigil of protection. That's a sigil of fuck you.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's if somebody is giving you an
Speaker 2: evil eye, like an actual your eyes glaring at you,
Speaker 2: that evil eye pendant will ward off the evil eye.
Speaker 2: So it is like a like a protector kind of charm.
Speaker 3: Gotcha.
Speaker 2: So anyway, we're gonna get into the concept of cursed art.
Speaker 2: It says the notion of curses has existed for centuries,
Speaker 2: often intertwined with folklore and superstition. Artists, like many individuals,
Speaker 2: have been have been believed to attract or invoke curses
Speaker 2: through their work. Historical accounts reveal that certain artists face
Speaker 2: dire consequences, leading to the belief that their creations were
Speaker 2: linked to malevolent forces. Common themes and cursed art. So
Speaker 2: if you're looking for well, you go to an art gallery,
Speaker 2: you go to your grandma's house. You know they always
Speaker 2: got some kind of paintings hanging. Maybe you got some
Speaker 2: paintings hanging in your house. Maybe you want to be
Speaker 2: able to observe to see if this could be some
Speaker 2: kind of curse thing. Maybe you have some kind of misfortune,
Speaker 2: maybe bad luck has just always followed you. Well, it
Speaker 2: could be in the art, and the best way to
Speaker 2: be able to find out if it is cursed, Well
Speaker 2: there are common themes. So is there tragedy, misfortune, death, despair,
Speaker 2: or psychological torment. So these are the things that you're
Speaker 2: wanting to look for in your art or in any
Speaker 2: art to see if it could possibly be cursed. Which
Speaker 2: does make sense, you know, because that is being represented
Speaker 2: in a painting. That painting is facing back outward at
Speaker 2: you and your family and the rest of your home,
Speaker 2: So there could be something there in that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: These themes resonate through various pieces of cursed art, reflecting
Speaker 2: the struggles and adversities faced by both the artists and
Speaker 2: the subjects of their work. And they get to it,
Speaker 2: they get right to it. This is why I wanted
Speaker 2: to get to this because this is known as the
Speaker 2: most cursed painting of all time. This this Crying Boy. So
Speaker 2: the Crying Boy a painting that brought misfortune. A description,
Speaker 2: So this is going to be the description of the painting.
Speaker 2: And its artists. So the Crying Boy is a painting
Speaker 2: created by Italian artist Giovanni Braggolin. That's one of his
Speaker 2: four or five names. I should you not We're I
Speaker 2: think we're going to cover that here a little bit
Speaker 2: later about how so many different pseudonyms. Nobody knows who
Speaker 2: the creator was. It's like Shakespeare kind of shit. It
Speaker 2: depicts a young boy with tears streaming down his face,
Speaker 2: evoking deep emotional responses. The painting became immensely popular, especially
Speaker 2: in the UK during the nineteen eighties. So he originally
Speaker 2: started painting it in the fifties. It became super popular
Speaker 2: in the eighties. Almost dude, they said that, like such
Speaker 2: a large percentage of homes in the UK all had this.
Speaker 2: This was like this is like starry Night, you know
Speaker 2: of England in that time, Like almost how many people
Speaker 2: you know with a Starry Night painting in their house?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like it's that way. Yeah, I feel that it's a.
Speaker 2: Pretty popular thing. So so the legend surrounding the Crying
Speaker 2: Boy suggests that the painting was cursed, as numerous house
Speaker 2: fires occurred in homes that displayed it. Reports claimed that
Speaker 2: the painting would remain unscathed while everything else burned, leading
Speaker 2: to widespread panic and superstition amongst its owners. The psychological
Speaker 2: impact of the Crying Boys curse led to a cultural
Speaker 2: phenomena where people began to dispose of the painting and fear.
Speaker 2: This reaction highlights how belief in the supernatural can influence
Speaker 2: collective behavior in societal norms. So, and we'll dive a
Speaker 2: lot more into that. This is kind of just like
Speaker 2: a precursor to what we're going to be getting into
Speaker 2: as far as the story of the Crying Boy painting,
Speaker 2: But another example of it of cursed paintings would be
Speaker 2: the Portrait of Dorian Gray. So Oscar Wilde's novel The
Speaker 2: Picture of Dorian Gray tells the story of a young
Speaker 2: man who remains eternally youthful while his portrait ages and
Speaker 2: bears the marks of his moral corruption. The painting, a
Speaker 2: central element of the story, symbolizes the consequences of vanity
Speaker 2: and hedonism. The curse depicted in the novel serves as
Speaker 2: a cautionary tale about the dangers of indulgence in the
Speaker 2: loss of one's soul. It raises questions about the relationship
Speaker 2: between art and morality, exploring how the pursuit of beauty
Speaker 2: can lead to one's downfall. You know what this really
Speaker 2: reminds me of whenever reading shit like this. Why is
Speaker 2: it that, you know, you go into the Vatican and
Speaker 2: that weird fucking like painting that they have in the
Speaker 2: Vatican of Jesus like being pulled down into Hell with
Speaker 2: all the demons and shit. It's like, what is that evoking?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I feel that one hundred percent. And
Speaker 3: the whole story of Dorian gray Man, There's been a
Speaker 3: few movies and a few TV shows that have kind
Speaker 3: of taken that and spun it in their own way.
Speaker 3: That is a pretty fascinating tale, honestly, I mean I
Speaker 3: get it. I understand the whole thing where he would
Speaker 3: remain looking like he was just this uber wealthy thirty
Speaker 3: year old who can never age and is always in
Speaker 3: peak physical condition. But if he was to ever look
Speaker 3: at the painting itself, he would be consumed by it
Speaker 3: and it would kill him. And or some iteration say
Speaker 3: that he would sit and look at it every night
Speaker 3: and like just contemplate all of his life's actions and
Speaker 3: all this stuff. It's a fascinating tale, really.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, dude, that is it is pretty wild. So
Speaker 2: many artists have struggled with similar themes of immortality. In
Speaker 2: Moral Decay, the narrative of Dorian Gray resonates with the
Speaker 2: lives of those who have faced the consequences of their
Speaker 2: artistic pursuits, often finding themselves in moral which is interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean it, I didn't really look too much into
Speaker 2: the guy, Like I said, I tried. It's just that
Speaker 2: he had so many different pseudonyms and he was pretty
Speaker 2: like unknown. For how popular the painting was, it is
Speaker 2: damn near impossible to try and find any true, like
Speaker 2: real in depth information about this guy without it just
Speaker 2: being lore or myth or stuff like that. And you're
Speaker 2: you're saying, like this this guy was in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 2: We're not talking about the the fifteen hundreds, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, it's not that long ago, but
Speaker 2: for some reason, shit is just not around.
Speaker 3: That's pretty wild. We're talking about the same time when
Speaker 3: like Andy Warhol was like doing his thing. This guy was,
Speaker 3: I would say, arguably maybe not equally famous, not around
Speaker 3: the world maybe, but everybody in the UK had a
Speaker 3: print of this guy's art, and nobody knew who he was?
Speaker 3: Is this like Banksea Dog.
Speaker 2: A little bit? But also shout out to pit native
Speaker 2: Andy Warhol baby.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, although some people believe he was an alien
Speaker 3: or something, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was, who knows. I mean only I would
Speaker 2: imagine that only an alien would be able to draw
Speaker 2: a Campbell soup can in such a way.
Speaker 3: You know, Maybe I just I have a thing for art.
Speaker 3: I do enjoy it. Maybe the whole thing about the
Speaker 3: Campbell soup can is lost on me. I don't see
Speaker 3: that as some sort of like generation defining art piece.
Speaker 3: The soup can, like that, that's what people lost their
Speaker 3: shit over. Oh, the red and the white, the label,
Speaker 3: it's like what, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that one either.
Speaker 2: It's so weird.
Speaker 3: It's not like that would be I wouldn't consider that
Speaker 3: fine art. But then again, I guess I'm just a
Speaker 3: plebeian when it comes to that sort of thing. I
Speaker 3: don't know. Van Go, I get Monet, I get uh,
Speaker 3: you know other things that Andy Warhol has done. Salvador Dolly,
Speaker 3: I get a hunter saying maybe I like some of them,
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't whatever, But like I can at least
Speaker 3: understand this was a true artist that made this the
Speaker 3: soup can I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, yes, and it's super weird. But getting
Speaker 2: back to this guy, you know, it's like I said,
Speaker 2: it's hard to find any real information on him, so
Speaker 2: we don't necessarily even know his fate. Did he suffer
Speaker 2: from the curses of painting it on so many canvases itself? Now,
Speaker 2: he didn't paint every single one of them, obviously a
Speaker 2: lot of them were reprint and everything. But it's the
Speaker 2: meaning behind it. It's it's why you did it in
Speaker 2: the first place. Were you trying to invoke a curse?
Speaker 2: Were you trying to invoke some kind of fear or
Speaker 2: sadness or whatever? You know, Like, dude, a picture is
Speaker 2: worth a thousand words, and just by looking at a
Speaker 2: little boy crying, I can't imagine that's going to bring
Speaker 2: too many people tears of joy, right.
Speaker 3: Right, right? But I mean that's the part, right It's
Speaker 3: it's how does the art make you feel? And the
Speaker 3: fact that ink or oil or something like that on
Speaker 3: a camp is able to invoke emotion from you, Like,
Speaker 3: that's what makes it art. Like one hundred percent, I
Speaker 3: get this, Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, but it's always back to the intention, Like
Speaker 2: it always goes back to the intention, and you know,
Speaker 2: and we're going to get into how people could have
Speaker 2: possibly cursed these items and these paintings and relics and
Speaker 2: shit like that, because that's what I'm int too. And
Speaker 2: I feel like, hey, if we're trying to really understand it,
Speaker 2: let's understand it. But there are a couple other paintings
Speaker 2: that I do want to get to here as far
Speaker 2: as possibly cursed cursed paintings. So another one would be
Speaker 2: the ghostly presence of the hands of the hands resist Him.
Speaker 2: So the Hands Resist Him is a painting by Bill Stoneham,
Speaker 2: which we're going to read a little bit later because
Speaker 2: I just found that I didn't even know that that
Speaker 2: was a thing. It features a young boy and a
Speaker 2: doll standing in front of a glass door, with disembodied
Speaker 2: hands reaching out towards them. The eerie composition has captivated
Speaker 2: and disturbed viewers alike. This painting gained notoriety in two
Speaker 2: thousand when it was listed on eBay as a haunted object.
Speaker 2: Listen this, this is crazy, like this is some wild
Speaker 2: out there shit. So the seller claimed that the painting
Speaker 2: had caused strange occurrences in paranormal experiences, leading to increased
Speaker 2: interest and fear surrounding it. The fascination with haunted art
Speaker 2: reflects broader cultural interest and the supernatural. Many are drawn
Speaker 2: to the allure of the unknown, and the hands resist
Speaker 2: him serves as a prime example of how art can
Speaker 2: evoke fear and in and intrigue through its backstory. So
Speaker 2: we're gonna dive a little bit more into that one later.
Speaker 2: Like I said, these are all just precursor type stories,
Speaker 2: just to show that like this is this is something
Speaker 2: that has happened. Now, I'm not gonna say it's very common.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that it's very common all the people
Speaker 2: that have paintings and nothing ever really happens. But for
Speaker 2: the ones, the shit does happen. This is what we're
Speaker 2: bringing up. Yeah, how about the Curse of the Mona Lisa.
Speaker 3: Sir Okay didn't know the Mona Lisa had curse associated
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 2: The Mona Lisa, painted by Leonardo da Vinci, was stolen
Speaker 2: in nineteen eleven, leading to widespread media coverage in public outcry.
Speaker 2: The theft and subsequent recovery of the painting contributed to
Speaker 2: its legendary status, but also birth missed myths surrounding a curse.
Speaker 2: Various myths claim that the Mona Lisa brings bad luck
Speaker 2: to those who own it or exhibit it. Some believe
Speaker 2: that misfortunes befall those who attempt to replicate it or
Speaker 2: who are too closely associated with it. Despite the alleged curse,
Speaker 2: the Mona Lisa remains one of the most visited paintings
Speaker 2: in the world. The legend surrounding it only adds to
Speaker 2: its allure, demonstrating how cursed art can enhance public interest
Speaker 2: and engagement. So this is where you get into now.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that da Vinci was trying to you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not sitting over here saying that he was trying
Speaker 2: to curse this object just to get sales. I don't
Speaker 2: think that. But there's oftentimes attached lore to certain things
Speaker 2: that will bring a lot of attention to it. And
Speaker 2: who knows, I mean Mona Lisa. I didn't know that
Speaker 2: it was cursed, but you think about it. That's why
Speaker 2: one of the most one of the reasons why it's
Speaker 2: so famous is because it was stolen. That's why the
Speaker 2: value of it was through the roof, because for some reason,
Speaker 2: anytime there is a like a story attached to a
Speaker 2: work of art or anything like that, the value of
Speaker 2: it increases exponentially. There was actually a movie that was
Speaker 2: made about it, like last year as a Kevin Hart
Speaker 2: movie on Netflix. But yeah, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 3: And that's how it goes the value of something. Yet
Speaker 3: it's in the eye of the beholder. Right of an
Speaker 3: item is only worth what somebody is willing to pay
Speaker 3: for it. I get it, that's economics one oh one.
Speaker 3: But the story typically makes it what it is. Like.
Speaker 3: For instance, you ever seen pawn Stars, Right, You'll see
Speaker 3: this guy come in with a Civil War era cavalry
Speaker 3: sword and he'll want to sell it. Okay, well, was
Speaker 3: it at some famous battle? Was it owned by somebody fame? No,
Speaker 3: I was just a captain's sword. He was in garrison.
Speaker 3: He never saw combat. Okay, best I could do was
Speaker 3: like four hundred bucks. Now if you tell me that
Speaker 3: this was Colonel Custard sword and he was carrying it
Speaker 3: into the Battle of the Little Big Horn and all
Speaker 3: the oh no, no, Now this is up a little
Speaker 3: bit more. The Mona Lisa was already a famous painting.
Speaker 3: You know, it was already exhibited in big places and
Speaker 3: it was worth a lot. But the fact that it
Speaker 3: was stolen, Oh yeah, no, that absolutely added to the
Speaker 3: to the price tag.
Speaker 2: One oh yeah yeah. So, and we have two more
Speaker 2: here that I wanted to read. I skipped over one
Speaker 2: of them. It seemed kind of lame, but we were
Speaker 2: just talking about starry night. Here's Van go right, So
Speaker 2: the enigmatic death of Vincent van go So. Vincent van
Speaker 2: Goh is one of the most celebrated artists in history,
Speaker 2: known for his vibrant use of color and emotive brushwork. However,
Speaker 2: his life was marked by immense suffering, mental illness, and
Speaker 2: ultimately his tragic death. Van Goh's struggles struggled with mental
Speaker 2: illness have often been viewed as a curse that influenced
Speaker 2: his artistic output. His pain and turmoil are palpable in
Speaker 2: many of his works, leading to a complex relationship between
Speaker 2: his art and his mental state. Van Goo's tragic life
Speaker 2: has left an indelible mark on the art community, inspiring
Speaker 2: countless artists and advocates for mental health. His story serves
Speaker 2: as a poignant reminder of the challenges faced by creative
Speaker 2: individuals and the societal need for understanding and support. So
Speaker 2: I wanted to bring that one up specifically because we're
Speaker 2: talking about this guy. I mean, he was I remember
Speaker 2: hearing all the stories about Van Go. He was just
Speaker 2: always in anguish, He had some mental illnesses. There was
Speaker 2: always like something wrong with him, and maybe that's what
Speaker 2: inspired Maybe that's what inspired such amazing creations. You think
Speaker 2: about artists in the music industry, people in Hollywood, people
Speaker 2: who are writing novels and stuff like that. Usually if
Speaker 2: they can connect to it emotionally, that's where you're going
Speaker 2: to get people that actually become interested in whatever it
Speaker 2: is that you're creating. Because the human emotion is a
Speaker 2: lot of times it's hard to really express in words.
Speaker 2: But if you can express it in a story, you
Speaker 2: can express it in a motion picture, in a painting, whatever,
Speaker 2: people connect to that and relate to it. And so
Speaker 2: my question is is that all right? Van Go? He
Speaker 2: created a lot of amazing paintings, but some of them
Speaker 2: were kind of dark, like Storry Knight. That's everybody's favorite, right,
Speaker 2: like everybody loves Storry Knight. But then there's other paintings
Speaker 2: that were really like kind of odd. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, and I wonder if there's anything attributed to
Speaker 2: anything attributed to that in people's homes as far as
Speaker 2: you know, Like I'm trying to remember one of his paintings.
Speaker 2: It was like a guy that was just standing there.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was edg Allan Poe as a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: but either way, I think that any what.
Speaker 3: Is it you said, edgra Allen Poe?
Speaker 2: You mean van Go, then go. I get them confused
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 3: But I was a self portrait of him that was
Speaker 3: very famous, and it was on one side because he
Speaker 3: had already cut off his ear or something like that,
Speaker 3: and that's why it was such a thing. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: was like the quintessential tortured artist on percent and like
Speaker 3: he died pinionless, he didn't become famous until.
Speaker 2: After his death, that's right. Yeah, And so you see
Speaker 2: that a lot of times with artists, especially right, like
Speaker 2: it's it's something that for some reason it wasn't, it
Speaker 2: wasn't for that time that he was alive. Then it
Speaker 2: becomes famous and popular over the course of time, more
Speaker 2: time has passed and more people get eyes on it,
Speaker 2: and you know how the story goes. But so that's
Speaker 2: one example. The last example we're going to bring up
Speaker 2: is the haunting legacy of the Scream. Remember the Scream? Right?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, famous painting for sure.
Speaker 2: So Edvard munches the Scream is an iconic symbol of
Speaker 2: existential angst in human despair. The paintings, vivid colors, and
Speaker 2: haunting figure convey a deep sense of anxiety and turmoil
Speaker 2: that resonates with viewers on multiple levels, which his own
Speaker 2: struggles with mental illness and personal loss are reflected in
Speaker 2: his art, including the Scream, the painting, and bodies of
Speaker 2: the artists emotional battles, creating a powerful connection between his
Speaker 2: life experiences and his creative expression. So, I mean, dude,
Speaker 2: look at that fucking painting. First of all, why would
Speaker 2: you want that in your house?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, some people really like that kind of aesthetic,
Speaker 3: you know. And look, I'm a metal hit. I understand
Speaker 3: wanting kind of a dark and ominous aesthetics in some
Speaker 3: of your home and like art pieces and stuff. I
Speaker 3: get it. Okay, cool, cool, cool, There there's a limit,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, especially if like I got
Speaker 3: kids running around the house and stuff. I don't want
Speaker 3: a bunch of scary shit on the walls. I would
Speaker 3: like my house to be a place of peace and
Speaker 3: a place of love and community and all that. Some
Speaker 3: people do not feel that way. Some people really enjoy
Speaker 3: making their house look like some sort of a dark
Speaker 3: museum exhibit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I get it. You know, we
Speaker 2: all have a little artistic flair. We all have certain
Speaker 2: things that were drawn on to more than others. That's
Speaker 2: what makes us individuals. But sometimes you just wonder if
Speaker 2: there's some kind of emotional connection that is encased within
Speaker 2: said art here. So I figured, you know, let's go
Speaker 2: the esoteric and then we'll also go the religious route
Speaker 2: as far as depicting curses and whatnot, generational curses and
Speaker 2: evil spirits and shit like that. Right, So this is
Speaker 2: by Catholic dot Com. I know you're not a Catholic,
Speaker 2: but eh, whatever, it's a somebody asked a question and
Speaker 2: it said, I feel a strong sense of evil from
Speaker 2: certain objects in our home, to the point that I
Speaker 2: cannot look at them without making a concentrated effort to
Speaker 2: do so. Is it possible for objects to be cursed
Speaker 2: or attached to evil spirits? And if so, what can
Speaker 2: I do to combat this? The father Vincent Surpa of
Speaker 2: the or One of the Catholic churches. I don't know
Speaker 2: which one he goes. Yes, objects can be cursed just
Speaker 2: as objects objects can be blessed. I suggest that you
Speaker 2: dispose of the objects that bother you. So, in his
Speaker 2: book called Interview with an Exorcist, Father Jose Antonio Fortia
Speaker 2: writes that objects should be burnt. Which I wanted to
Speaker 2: bring this up specifically because we're talking about houses that
Speaker 2: caught fire, and these things were never catching fire, right,
Speaker 2: So how do you burn the unburnable?
Speaker 3: See, I don't I'm gonna be that guy here now, Okay,
Speaker 3: if a house is haunted, you're gonna burn it down. Listen,
Speaker 3: where the spirit's gonna go next. They don't go back
Speaker 3: from whence they came. Okay, they go to a new
Speaker 3: place to inhabit or whatever the case is. If an object, however,
Speaker 3: is cursed, I don't feel like burning it would be
Speaker 3: the best option. I'm more of the type that thinks
Speaker 3: you should throw it in the lake, you know, or
Speaker 3: throw it off a bridge somewhere, and like let it
Speaker 3: be at the bottom of a water source of something
Speaker 3: like a water is seen as a holy substance, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And it's the likelihood of someone
Speaker 3: else finding it and bringing it into their home and
Speaker 3: the curse continuing is a lot less burning it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's more final, but it's not like you just got
Speaker 3: rid of the demonic force by setting it on fire.
Speaker 3: That's kind of a demon's playground that Maybe that's just me.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this isn't the first time we've heard it.
Speaker 2: We've had our boy, he's an exorcist, demon eracer, right,
Speaker 2: he comes on, and he talked about how he felt
Speaker 2: the calling from God and he kept on getting the
Speaker 2: messages in the Bible and stuff like that, talking about
Speaker 2: how he should burn all of his video games and
Speaker 2: movies and you know, action figures and shit like that
Speaker 2: that were possibly evoking some kind of evil entities, right,
Speaker 2: and so he was told what he believes whenever he
Speaker 2: you know, just so happened to flip the page and
Speaker 2: the Bible kind of thing, and it was said for
Speaker 2: him to burn it. So he went out and burned
Speaker 2: all of that. And so it's not unprecedented as far
Speaker 2: as you know, the traditional way of expelling spirits or whatnot.
Speaker 2: But I almost wonder, is it, you would think? And
Speaker 2: I like the way that you just went as far
Speaker 2: as water goes, how about instead of burning it, why
Speaker 2: don't you just reverse it and bless it? You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Maybe throw a little holy water on
Speaker 2: and pray over some water, throw some holy I don't know,
Speaker 2: just hypothetically here.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. But then that's the thing. Then
Speaker 3: people get real specific about, well, how do you make
Speaker 3: holy water? Well, you have to go to a Catholic priest.
Speaker 3: I don't personally believe that. I think that a sanctified
Speaker 3: person can bless things and make it whatever. But then
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, well, that's not the quote unquote correct
Speaker 3: holy water, or that's not the correct sacrificial oil or
Speaker 3: whatever the case may be. Right, it's they get real
Speaker 3: particular about it. It's crazy like, whenever there's an exorcism
Speaker 3: that needs to happen, we gotta call Catholic priest because
Speaker 3: they're the only ones that could expel demons. My boy, No,
Speaker 3: absolutely incorrect. But that's just like it's one of those
Speaker 3: things that it's been and culturally spoken of so many
Speaker 3: times that it's become what a lot of people deem
Speaker 3: to be truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could just be the lore that's carried on
Speaker 2: through the centuries, a type of thing I don't know
Speaker 2: I have, and I've talked to you about how, not
Speaker 2: necessarily that I blessed anything perhaps, but basically that I
Speaker 2: was just holding the like a bowl of water, and
Speaker 2: I just tried to connect to it in a certain
Speaker 2: kind of way. I saw people doing it on the internet,
Speaker 2: and supposedly whenever you put that bowl of water, after
Speaker 2: you put your thoughts into it, you put it into
Speaker 2: the freezer, you take it out, then you'll see like
Speaker 2: some strange images that you wouldn't think just a bowl
Speaker 2: of water would make. And so I do think that
Speaker 2: it's absolutely your connection to that water. It's the absolute
Speaker 2: thought that counts. Now, if you're talking about expelling demons,
Speaker 2: you might want to go to psalms or some shit
Speaker 2: and just pray over it in that way. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it is. It is weird, like the memory of water
Speaker 2: and the ability of water. I mean, there's something to it.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. But I also believe that, and again
Speaker 3: just on my particular set of religious beliefs and dogma,
Speaker 3: the Lord that I worship gave all of us the
Speaker 3: authority to cast out demons in his name. You don't
Speaker 3: have to go to uh, you know, the the what's
Speaker 3: it called the priestly schools. You don't have to go
Speaker 3: to the synagogues, and you don't have to go to
Speaker 3: theology school and begin get a doctorate in theography and
Speaker 3: like no, no, you literally, in the name and authority
Speaker 3: of Him can cast out demons. That's he said so
Speaker 3: very plainly. But I know there's a lot of people
Speaker 3: that don't agree with that. If you didn't go to seminary,
Speaker 3: then how do you think you have the authority to
Speaker 3: do shit? Well, because I don't claim the authority of
Speaker 3: a church, I claim the authority of a savior. Like
Speaker 3: that's I know, I know, dogma's changed denomination to denomination.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to shit on anybody. It's just that's
Speaker 3: kind of how I how I've interpreted them myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's that's absolutely one way of
Speaker 2: doing it. And I will say that even people that
Speaker 2: aren't Christian or aren't religious at all will also say, yeah,
Speaker 2: prayed in the name of Jesus. That will help get
Speaker 2: rid of it. As a matter of fact, there's this
Speaker 2: guy that we had on Meta Mysteries, A couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago, his name was he was a magician but
Speaker 2: also like an exorcist kind of thing. And his name
Speaker 2: he goes by El the alchemist. Fascinating fucking guy to
Speaker 2: talk to. And what he said in there was and
Speaker 2: now he's somebody who's into demonology and you know, the
Speaker 2: dark and the light, magic kind of guy. And whether
Speaker 2: that vibes with you or not, I'm just giving one
Speaker 2: person's testimony here. And he said that, you know, if
Speaker 2: he's trying to go into a house to perform some
Speaker 2: kind of exorcism, it depends on whose house it is
Speaker 2: that will determine who he calls on. So if he
Speaker 2: goes into a Christian household or somebody who believes in Jesus,
Speaker 2: or maybe he just got a certain flavor for that
Speaker 2: type of stuff, he'll go in there and he will
Speaker 2: expel the demons in the name of Jesus or in
Speaker 2: the in the name of Yahweh, or maybe you'll call
Speaker 2: on a specific angel or something like that and he goes. Conversely,
Speaker 2: you can if that person doesn't have a religious affinity,
Speaker 2: what you can do is that you can call on
Speaker 2: his words, not mine, he goes. You can call on Lucifer.
Speaker 2: He goes, it doesn't matter who you call on. You
Speaker 2: can call on Jesus, you can call on Lucifer. I'm
Speaker 2: not suggesting it. This is just his words again, but
Speaker 2: he says, it doesn't matter who you call on out
Speaker 2: of those two characters, the job will get done regardless,
Speaker 2: and he's seen it done plenty of times. That's his words.
Speaker 3: We've had multiple guests come on this show, and they've
Speaker 3: even people who are not believers as a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: will say they and they can't understand why, but demons
Speaker 3: do have to flee in the name of Jesus. I
Speaker 3: don't know why they do, but it's a whole thing.
Speaker 3: And I've even asked, like, so if you if that's true,
Speaker 3: and you've acknowledged that to be true, why are you
Speaker 3: not like trying to live in that truth. I don't get.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: Well, people look at it in different ways, though, and
Speaker 2: so it's you know, obviously there's the new age of
Speaker 2: people like me. There are people that are into magic
Speaker 2: and witchcraft, and they in certain people just look at
Speaker 2: things as thought forms and energies. Not necessarily the demons
Speaker 2: that are depicted within the Bible per se, so certainly.
Speaker 2: So you know, I've I've brought up before about the
Speaker 2: demons of the Goetia, and there's a lot of like
Speaker 2: folklore kind of shit associated with demons, ancient demons, new demons,
Speaker 2: you name, it doesn't matter, but whenever it comes to that,
Speaker 2: And I asked him, I was like, why would why
Speaker 2: would the name Lucifer work at expelling demons? And he goes, well,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be real with you, a lot of so
Speaker 2: called demons are just using that as somewhat of a title.
Speaker 2: That all it is is basically like this negative trapped
Speaker 2: energy that associates itself with a demon, whether it's a
Speaker 2: specific demon or not. He believes that it's just negative
Speaker 2: energy that is trapped and that it is not even
Speaker 2: necessarily like an old lost soul, but it could just
Speaker 2: be a negative energy that has manifested itself in one
Speaker 2: way or another. So that was his explanation as to
Speaker 2: why even calling on Lucifer would expel demons, because sometimes
Speaker 2: they're not even demons, it's just negative energy. It could
Speaker 2: be like think about ghosts, like are ghosts demons? I mean,
Speaker 2: I know you don't necessarily believe in the ghosties.
Speaker 3: But both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there are a lot of people that do
Speaker 2: believe in ghosts, and so, you know, and most of
Speaker 2: the time, a ghost is always associated with whoever died
Speaker 2: in that house, or whoever committed suicide, or you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, you know the stories. And so are
Speaker 2: those lost souls now demons? I don't know if you
Speaker 2: can call them that. You would probably just call them like,
Speaker 2: you know, negative lost energies or entities or something like that.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's why calling in the name of even
Speaker 2: fucking Lucifer would work, because you know, he was at
Speaker 2: one time a beautiful angel. So I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know enough about it. That's just the story that
Speaker 2: I heard, I feel you, So all right, now let's
Speaker 2: get to the actual story here. As far as the
Speaker 2: haunted legend of the crying boy that won't burn, this
Speaker 2: is gonna get really strange. Okay, So this is your boy,
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying. Rate here. He already has two names,
Speaker 2: Bruno Amadillo and Giovanni Braggolin. There was like two or
Speaker 2: three more names also associated with him. But anyway, that's
Speaker 2: him painting this Rate here just seems like a very
Speaker 2: elderly kind of guy. This was in the fifties. He
Speaker 2: was elderly then, so he's probably dead, right, Yeah, unless
Speaker 2: he was able to encase himself into one of these paintings,
Speaker 2: and that's how he's haunting people.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 2: Hey, maybe that's why they won't burn bro Maybe maybe
Speaker 2: how do you kill the dead kind of thing?
Speaker 3: Right? Apparent? Well, yeah, I was about to take it
Speaker 3: to a zombie place. But anyway, moving.
Speaker 2: On, So it starts like, oh, by the way, the
Speaker 2: name of this website is called artwalkway dot com. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's imagine this. You're sitting at home glancing at a
Speaker 2: painting that's hung on your wall for years. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: a sentimental piece, or perhaps you just like the way
Speaker 2: it fit in the room's decor. Then one night a
Speaker 2: fire breaks out. In the chaos, you notice something strange.
Speaker 2: The painting, the one you've always had, is untouched by
Speaker 2: the flames, while everything else burns around it. The very
Speaker 2: image on your wall, seemingly innocent, becomes a symbol of
Speaker 2: something dark and unexplainable. What would you do next? Would
Speaker 2: you destroy the painting or would you dismiss it as
Speaker 2: a bizarre coincidence. What if, like many before you, you
Speaker 2: learned that the painting you cherished is believed to carry
Speaker 2: a curse, a curse that brings misfortune and mysterious destruction.
Speaker 2: The legend of the Crying Boy painting raises these unsettling questions.
Speaker 2: The chilling stories of homes consumed by fire with this only,
Speaker 2: with only this particular painting left unscathed, prompt us to
Speaker 2: question whether these events are just urban myths or something
Speaker 2: more sinister. As you read through this haunting tale, take
Speaker 2: a moment to reflect, what would you do if a
Speaker 2: simple work of art carried with it the weight of
Speaker 2: a curse. This is the kind of psychological mystery that
Speaker 2: has surrounded the Crying Boy for decades, igniting fear in curiosity.
Speaker 2: I guess this was written around Halloween because it says
Speaker 2: as Halloween season looms, which in this house, it's always
Speaker 2: Halloween season, baby, that's how we roll, no doubt, except
Speaker 2: for one of its Christmas season. There's a time and
Speaker 2: a place, but anyway, it's time to turn our gaze
Speaker 2: towards the eerie and unsettling quarters of the art world,
Speaker 2: where stories of haunted paintings and cursed creations continue to
Speaker 2: spook even the most skeptical. For this article on cursed artworks,
Speaker 2: we're diving into one of the most infamous and widely
Speaker 2: feared art legends of the twentieth century, the Crying Boy paintings.
Speaker 2: This tale isn't about a single cursed art work, but
Speaker 2: rather an entire series of portraits that inexplicably survived house
Speaker 2: fires and left the trail of destruction behind them. The
Speaker 2: legend of the Crying Boy Paintings is more than just
Speaker 2: a curious urban myth. It's a chilling reminder that even
Speaker 2: the most innocent looking artwork can take on a life
Speaker 2: of its own. Noo, here we go, And I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna lie, dude, Like researching this kind of shit, maybe
Speaker 2: I just woke up kind of in a little haze.
Speaker 2: Maybe I just didn't have enough coffee. But doing this
Speaker 2: research this morning, I don't know, I got this weird
Speaker 2: like sensation even doing this like even and I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what, like it kind of just gave me like
Speaker 2: this weird like vibe even researching this kind of shit.
Speaker 2: That's that's kind of the dangers around researching this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, because now you're trying to get into the
Speaker 2: mind of the actual story rather than just listening to it.
Speaker 2: And even whenever I was doing research for it, dude,
Speaker 2: I got a fucking virus on my computer. Now I
Speaker 2: was able to get rid of it with relative ease,
Speaker 2: but it was like, of course, there would be a
Speaker 2: virus associated with a cursed painting that I'm researching, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so very strange, but it's.
Speaker 3: Very possible that there's more to it. Brow Does curses
Speaker 3: only go as far as physicality goes? Or can the
Speaker 3: Internet have cursed articles as well?
Speaker 2: I think information can be as cursing as material objects.
Speaker 3: Why not? Right?
Speaker 2: So here are the haunting beginnings of the Crying Boy legend.
Speaker 2: It all began innocently enough. In the nineteen fifties and sixties,
Speaker 2: Italian artist Giovanni Braggolin, under the pseudonym of Bruno Amadillo,
Speaker 2: created a series of mass produced paintings featuring young children
Speaker 2: with large, sorrowful eyes and tear streaked cheeks. These paintings
Speaker 2: were simple but emotive, their subjects often staring directly at
Speaker 2: the viewer. These prints, known as the Crying Boy series,
Speaker 2: became wildly popular in post war Europe, especially in the UK.
Speaker 2: In an era still haunted by the traumas of war.
Speaker 2: These melancholic images found a place in many homes, perhaps
Speaker 2: reflecting a shared sense of loss and vulnerability. However, it
Speaker 2: wasn't long before these paintings became notorious for something far
Speaker 2: more sinister than their melancholic subject matter. This was written
Speaker 2: in a newspaper called The Sun, and you can see
Speaker 2: it right here. These people their house burned down and
Speaker 2: they're sitting next to the fucking image.
Speaker 3: Dude, that's the one thing that survives. That's like their
Speaker 3: only possession left. So they're keeping it.
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, that's very strange, it says. By the
Speaker 2: mid nineteen eighties, reports began to emerge that homes containing
Speaker 2: the Crying Boy paintings were catching fire under mysterious circumstances.
Speaker 2: Were still firefighters reported a baffling detail. While entire homes
Speaker 2: were reduced to ashes, the paintings remained inexplicably untouched by
Speaker 2: the flames. The first widely publicized instance of the curse
Speaker 2: came in nineteen eighty five, when The Sun, a British tabloid,
Speaker 2: ran a chilling headline blazing Curse of the Crying Boy picture.
Speaker 2: The article recounted the story of a fireman in Yorkshire
Speaker 2: who claimed to have witnessed numerous fires where the only
Speaker 2: undamaged item in the charred ruins was a Crying Boy paint.
Speaker 2: According to reports, in some cases, the entire wall around
Speaker 2: the painting had been scorched black, but the artwork remained
Speaker 2: eerily intact. Soon readers across the UK began coming forward
Speaker 2: with their own terrifying tales. More and more homes that
Speaker 2: displayed the Crying Boy painting had mysteriously gone up in flames,
Speaker 2: and the owners were quick to attribute the cause of
Speaker 2: the cursed image. The media frenzy reached its peak when
Speaker 2: the Sun Encouraged. The Sun newspaper article encouraged frightened homeowners
Speaker 2: to send their Crying Boy prints which the paper, which
Speaker 2: the paper promised to burn in a mass bonfire. Thousands
Speaker 2: of copies were reportedly destroyed, but the legend of the
Speaker 2: cursed paintings only grew stronger. So this this newspaper article,
Speaker 2: the Sun was accounting for all of the all of
Speaker 2: the paintings that were you know, all of these house
Speaker 2: fires were in right, and there was like, look, let's
Speaker 2: just try and fucking burn it all. We'll get rid
Speaker 2: of all of this negative insanity. This isn't like I
Speaker 2: said this saint during the Salem fucking witch trials. This
Speaker 2: is the nineteen eighties, okay. And so the sun, which
Speaker 2: is funny, even the symbolism rate there is calling to
Speaker 2: burn all of these images, all of these paintings, right,
Speaker 2: and so it burns a lot of them. Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: case clothes, wipe our hands clean. The curse is broken. Yeah,
Speaker 2: or you thought, or you thought, sir. So this is
Speaker 2: where we get into the power of the media and
Speaker 2: the birth of a legend. While the paranormal elements of
Speaker 2: the Crying Boy legend captured the public's imagination, the media
Speaker 2: played a pivotal role in spreading the curse narrative. The
Speaker 2: Sun tabloid, known for its sensational headlines, was instrumental in
Speaker 2: fueling the story's wildfire spread across the UK. Stories about
Speaker 2: the painting quickly escalated, with the readers contributing eerie accounts
Speaker 2: of unexplained fires they linked to the artwork in the
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties. The nineteen eighties saw a resurgence in supernatural fascination,
Speaker 2: making the public particularly receptive to stories like the Crying
Speaker 2: Boy Curse. This era was a golden age for ghost stories,
Speaker 2: ufo sightings, and haunted objects. Popular television shows, books, and
Speaker 2: films increasingly delved into themes of the paranormal, Reflecting a
Speaker 2: broader cultural curiosity about the unknown. The Crying Boy paintings,
Speaker 2: with their emotionally charged imagery, became an ideal target for
Speaker 2: a society hungry for the supernatural. Much like the modern
Speaker 2: Internet phenomena, the legend took on a life of its own,
Speaker 2: feeding off of public fear into the irresistible thrill of
Speaker 2: a curse. In this climate, the Sun and other tabloids
Speaker 2: thrived by amplifying public fears, merging fact with speculation to
Speaker 2: create stories that captivated and often frightened their readers, and
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties appetite for mystery and fear ensured that
Speaker 2: the Crying Boy became not just an urban legend, but
Speaker 2: a cultural phenomena, blending art with the supernatural in a
Speaker 2: way that continues to fascinate today. So was this psychological
Speaker 2: or paranormal? Who's to say? Right? So, this are some
Speaker 2: of the possible explanations behind the curse. It says, despite
Speaker 2: the dramatic stories of the unexplained fires. Skeptics and psychologists
Speaker 2: have offered more rational explanations for the Crying Boy phenomenon.
Speaker 2: One of the most common theories involves the varnish used
Speaker 2: on the prints. Some experts suggest that the paintings were coded,
Speaker 2: were coded and a fire retardant varnish, which could explain
Speaker 2: why they survived when everything else around them was destroyed. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, so that's why the painting wasn't catching fire.
Speaker 2: That answers that story. But how about all yeah, but
Speaker 2: how about all the homes that still went up in
Speaker 2: flames and they all had this you know, there's still
Speaker 2: that facet of it. So on a psychological level, the
Speaker 2: curse may also be attributed to confirmation bias, the tendency
Speaker 2: for people to remember details that confirmed their existing beliefs.
Speaker 2: Once the idea that the Crying Boy paintings were cursed
Speaker 2: took hold, homeowners who experienced fires were quick to attribute
Speaker 2: their misfortunes to the painting, further fueling the legend. So
Speaker 2: now are people just trying to hop on board it's
Speaker 2: a popular thing to say, uh, or are they actually believing
Speaker 2: in it? And does it even matter if you believe
Speaker 2: in it? Or not. You know, just because you associate
Speaker 2: yourself with the painting in your house fire, does that
Speaker 2: necessarily mean that it's the painting's fault? Or are you
Speaker 2: just trying to grab headlines or you're trying to look
Speaker 2: for some kind of supernatural reason as to why your
Speaker 2: house caught on fire in the first place. Regardless, all
Speaker 2: of these houses are still catching fire.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of a Okay, for instance, my neighborhood,
Speaker 3: just throwing it out here, was not built with the
Speaker 3: best quality. Okay, it was built by a bunch of
Speaker 3: people that were trying to build as many houses as
Speaker 3: as they could, as fast as they could. We have
Speaker 3: had a few house fires that have started in this neighborhood,
Speaker 3: mostly due to electrical issues. Some were because of negligence
Speaker 3: or people error. But just in the realm of hypothetical
Speaker 3: and storytelling here, let's say that we had there's a
Speaker 3: one thousand houses in this neighborhood. Let's say that twenty
Speaker 3: percent of them were to burn over the course of
Speaker 3: the next five years. That would be substantial, right, that's
Speaker 3: a lot. And then let's also say that each one
Speaker 3: of these houses had a I don't know, a picture
Speaker 3: of a Florida leite. Okay, we're in Louisiana. That's a
Speaker 3: very common image and sigil and whatever else for this area.
Speaker 3: Nothing out of the ordinary here. To walk into a
Speaker 3: home and see a picture of a Florida lee on
Speaker 3: the wall would be very normal. But if everything in
Speaker 3: the house burned except for that picture in every one
Speaker 3: of these homes, yeah, I would say there's probably something
Speaker 3: extra going on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean a lot of times science can't explain
Speaker 2: the supernatural. And that's kind of the point right here.
Speaker 2: Is that all right? You know, science can say, well, yes,
Speaker 2: there was some kind of some kind of cover ointment
Speaker 2: that they were using on the painting, and that's why
Speaker 2: I didn't burn. Sure, okay, And I mean, first of all,
Speaker 2: I don't know how common that is. I don't know
Speaker 2: how many paintings think to do or painters think to
Speaker 2: do that to their paintings, or I don't know how
Speaker 2: many people who are selling a lot of these paintings
Speaker 2: for public retail in consignment stores or convenience stores or
Speaker 2: wherever you're getting these things at. I mean, maybe it's
Speaker 2: common practice, but we're talking about the nineteen eighties like this.
Speaker 3: It were also prints. They weren't originals, so why would
Speaker 3: they have the varnish? Right, Prince doesn't need that, right.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't think, right, I mean, and think about it
Speaker 2: like this. And of course, all throughout the seventies, eighties, nineties,
Speaker 2: two thousands, a lot of people's houses were burning down
Speaker 2: because of lit cigarettes, right, people would fall asleep with
Speaker 2: a cigarette in their hand. And so eventually was like
Speaker 2: two thousand A, two thousand and seven, two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: somewhere in there they came out with the the FSC
Speaker 2: cigarettes as the fire safe cigarettes, right, But that wasn't
Speaker 2: until like two thousand and eight. We're talking about fucking
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties up in here, and the original paintings were
Speaker 2: painted in nineteen fifty. I can't imagine this guy would
Speaker 2: have had the forethought of this, Like who thinks, oh,
Speaker 2: I better coat this and some kind of fire retarded
Speaker 2: in case it gets it goes out in the fire,
Speaker 2: Like who's going to hold a flame up to a
Speaker 2: painting in the first place?
Speaker 3: Right now? One hundred percent, I agree with you, that's
Speaker 3: that doesn't exactly check out like on paper. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: it's because they were protected with some sort of varnish. Okay,
Speaker 3: that sounds good looking deeper into it, that doesn't make sense. Dude.
Speaker 3: I know people that have art hung up in their
Speaker 3: home and it looks like a painting, but it is
Speaker 3: a recreation, right, It's a print. There's no varnish. It's
Speaker 3: in a glass frame. And you could have that conversation,
Speaker 3: but it's not. That is not how that goes.
Speaker 2: Man, right, right, So, just to finish out this article,
Speaker 2: it says additionally, the disturbing imagery of a crying child
Speaker 2: may have played a significant role in how people interpreted
Speaker 2: the painting's presence. The sight of a distressed child triggers
Speaker 2: deep emotional responses, particularly feelings of sadness, fear, or vulnerability.
Speaker 2: These emotions, combined with the eerie circumstances of the fires,
Speaker 2: may have heightened people's fear of the painting, creating a
Speaker 2: perfect storm for superstition. Okay, you know, look, we can
Speaker 2: hypothesize this six ways to Sunday, but the fact of
Speaker 2: the matter is a lot of those houses had these paintings.
Speaker 2: The paintings never burned all the houses did, not all
Speaker 2: of them, but of like a pretty high percentage of them. Right, Like,
Speaker 2: what did I I think it was like in the eighties,
Speaker 2: aunt amount of houses that burned down with this picture
Speaker 2: in their house, around eighty homes. And this is only
Speaker 2: in the UK. By the way, UK is not like massive,
Speaker 2: you know, it's pretty big, but it's not the United States.
Speaker 2: Like if you would have said that, you know, eighty
Speaker 2: houses burned down in the United States and it was
Speaker 2: you know, one in Idaho, one in Massachusetts, one in Florida,
Speaker 2: one in Louisiana, like you'd be like, Okay, that's kind
Speaker 2: of weird. But you know, statistically speaking, it's possible, I suppose, right,
Speaker 2: but you're talking about eighty in just the UK. That's
Speaker 2: kind of weird.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what the infrastructure looked like
Speaker 3: in the UK in the eighties. I don't know if
Speaker 3: they were like trying to increase their power grid and
Speaker 3: they were in these older homes, these two hundred year
Speaker 3: old houses that the wiring was done shittily in and
Speaker 3: so when they tried to up the amperage in the grid,
Speaker 3: they had random electrical fires everywhere. I don't know. But like,
Speaker 3: even with all levels of skepticism and like kind of
Speaker 3: going along with the narrative that I can throw on
Speaker 3: this the fact that everything burned except for this one painting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is beyond fucking.
Speaker 2: Weird, supernatural for sure. So here's a couple more facts
Speaker 2: about the guy. The painting in some of the homes,
Speaker 2: So the Guy. The first one that brings up is
Speaker 2: that the artists used the pseudonym the Crime Boy. Paintings
Speaker 2: were signed by Giovanni Bragalin, an Italian painter who didn't
Speaker 2: really exist. The true artist was a Spanish painter named
Speaker 2: Bruno Amadillo, although he was thought he was also known
Speaker 2: to go by franshat Seville on occasion. Amadillo was one
Speaker 2: of the most mysterious artists in the mid nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2: He painted over sixty portraits in his Crying Boy collection
Speaker 2: from the fifties through the through nineteen eighty, with each printed,
Speaker 2: reprinted and widely distributed through mass productions. The prints became
Speaker 2: very popular, with over fifty thousand copies purchased in the
Speaker 2: UK alone. The Crying Boy series was the only artwork
Speaker 2: of Amadio's that saw success. However, it was a double
Speaker 2: edged sword for Amadio, as the images depicting horror, suffering, despair,
Speaker 2: and longing for The and longing of the innocent also
Speaker 2: brought about speculation of abuse. Many questioned many questions whether
Speaker 2: Amadio specifically frightened them talking about the kids, terrified them,
Speaker 2: and then painted them, with some even going as far
Speaker 2: as to liken Amadio to the devil himself.
Speaker 3: So I'm just I don't know this yet, and maybe
Speaker 3: we're going to get to it. But look at your boy, creepy.
Speaker 3: You're telling me he did a series of crying boy paintings.
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't just one that got famous, it was
Speaker 3: a bunch of them. Yeah, I'm gonna just go and
Speaker 3: ask the uncomfortable question. Here was the boy a pedophile?
Speaker 3: Is that what this was? Was he painting his victims?
Speaker 2: You know what? He's kind of giving me vibes? So
Speaker 2: of have you ever seen that movie called Who Framed
Speaker 2: Roger Rabbit? Yeah, then he kind of looked like, oh,
Speaker 2: what was his name from Back to the Future, Doc Brown?
Speaker 2: His real name?
Speaker 3: Oh no, don't don't put Andrew Lloyd Webber in this one. Man.
Speaker 2: Well, I think because I mean and who Framed Roger Rabbit?
Speaker 2: He kind of had a face like that with like
Speaker 2: you know, those those those glasses that you go out
Speaker 2: in sunlight and then they turn into sunglasses and he
Speaker 2: had like this weird smile and the same shape of
Speaker 2: the head, even the hair like super reminiscent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks like a creepy old fuck. And to
Speaker 3: know that that's the guy as we're looking at his
Speaker 3: face right now again everybody Patreon dot com, slash Cult
Speaker 3: of Conspiracy podcast, this guy looks like a creeper. And
Speaker 3: you're telling me he got famous for painting a bunch
Speaker 3: of crying, young, prepubescent boys. I don't know this for
Speaker 3: a fact, but it wouldn't shock me as if we
Speaker 3: go down this list and we learn more about him
Speaker 3: that he's like a confirmed pedophile and like that was
Speaker 3: the inspiration for all of this that a one hundred
Speaker 3: percent checks out at this time. Bro.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is that it wasn't just one boy,
Speaker 2: over sixty different portraits of his crying boy collection.
Speaker 3: What it fuck?
Speaker 2: It's fucking like, what a strange affinity for seeing little
Speaker 2: kids crying, the want for innocence.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I'm starting to see a pattern here,
Speaker 3: big dog.
Speaker 2: Look at this face. Look at this face. First off,
Speaker 2: why would you want this this sad little tearful face.
Speaker 2: I have a son right now, he's about this age.
Speaker 2: It breaks my heart to see him crying like this.
Speaker 2: Even if I'm the one that just got done punishing him,
Speaker 2: if he you know, was doing something that he wasn't
Speaker 2: supposed to do or whatever, it still breaks my heart,
Speaker 2: you know, Like nobody wants to be able to see this.
Speaker 2: And so it's just really weird that not only how
Speaker 2: how many people bought it fifty thousand copies in the
Speaker 2: UK alone. Not only that, but the guy who was
Speaker 2: painting them, just what a weird addiction?
Speaker 3: Uh, a creeper. He looks like a diddler.
Speaker 2: He do look like he kind of gives off Joe
Speaker 2: Biden vibes. Actually you think about him. Look at him, bro,
Speaker 2: look at him. Yeah, he's motherfucker. This motherfucker smelling kids.
Speaker 3: Oh guarantee, he's smelling kids.
Speaker 2: There's no question. So there there's a bunch of lore
Speaker 2: in myth that is associated with this. Like I said,
Speaker 2: this seems to be shrouded in mystery. It's hard to
Speaker 2: get any surefire facts about this, but it says according
Speaker 2: to Amadio, the guy the subject of one of his
Speaker 2: paintings was a little street urchin that he came across
Speaker 2: in Madrid in the nineteen sixties. The young boy was
Speaker 2: a mute orphan with a sorrowful expression that instantly captivated
Speaker 2: the artist. Amadillo had stopped to paint the child when
Speaker 2: a Catholic priest came over to issue him a stern warning.
Speaker 2: He said that the boy named Don Benillo had run
Speaker 2: away after seeing his parents die in a fire. Whoa
Speaker 2: who I got chills off of that. So he's painting
Speaker 2: a fucking little boy, an orphan who is running around,
Speaker 2: he's crying. He's over in Madrid and he's he doesn't
Speaker 2: know what to do with himself. But his parents died
Speaker 2: in a fire. And then the story that is that
Speaker 2: unfolds that is associated with the painting.
Speaker 3: Meaning that he can't speak and he won't be able
Speaker 3: to tell on anybody that did him dirty aka r
Speaker 3: painter boy or possibly even the priest.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck man. So since then,
Speaker 2: fires of unknown origin would break out wherever the boy went.
Speaker 2: It happened with such frequency that he was given the
Speaker 2: nickname Diablo, which translates to the devil. The priest warned
Speaker 2: Amadillo against having anything to do with the child. However,
Speaker 2: the painter ignored him and adopted the boy. He brought
Speaker 2: don be You'll home to live with him and painted
Speaker 2: the Crying Boy series.
Speaker 3: WHOA so way it was the same kid, just painted
Speaker 3: sixty different ways.
Speaker 2: Well not sixty different ways, multiple different ways. But it's
Speaker 2: not always the same boy.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, because some.
Speaker 2: Of the some of the kids are some of the
Speaker 2: kids are you know, Hispanics, some of them are black
Speaker 2: and shit like that. So, but there is a lot
Speaker 2: of this specific boy raid here who is supposedly the
Speaker 2: kid that he took in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's also a massive red flag to me at
Speaker 3: this time, just saying and.
Speaker 2: Then you're making money off of this little boy crying, like, uh, okay,
Speaker 2: let's let's just hypothetically look into this. Let's say this
Speaker 2: story is true. Again, it's hard to prove these kinds
Speaker 2: of things, right, A lot of myth somehow leaks its
Speaker 2: way into history.
Speaker 3: Do we know if this kid's still alive because he
Speaker 3: was a child at the time and all this, like
Speaker 3: is he still kicking or did he burn alive in
Speaker 3: a fire somewhere?
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to that, we will get to that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but it's it's strange because, all right, I know,
Speaker 2: little kids cry all the time. My son cries every
Speaker 2: fucking day, usually if he drops us pacifire, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It doesn't take a lot to elicit
Speaker 2: tears out of a two year old. But that being said,
Speaker 2: this guy created so many different variations of this boy crying.
Speaker 2: It makes me wonder did he catch a new angle
Speaker 2: every single time or is he always referring back to
Speaker 2: the one time that he saw this kid crying? Uh?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So how about this Amadio the painter his studio and
Speaker 2: apartment caught fire.
Speaker 3: Well, Diablo strikes again.
Speaker 2: The unique relationship between the painter and his favorite subject
Speaker 2: came to a sudden, fiery end when Amadio's studio and
Speaker 2: apartment mysteriously caught on fire. He lost everything, and as
Speaker 2: a result, Amidillo was ruined. He remembered the Priest's warnings
Speaker 2: and accused the boy of starting the blaze. He kicked
Speaker 2: him out and never saw Don Benio again.
Speaker 3: So you took in this orphan kid only to kick
Speaker 3: him out, which I mean, to be fair, the priest
Speaker 3: did tell you that fires start wherever this kid's at
Speaker 3: So maybe this kid's a pyro like, maybe he's the
Speaker 3: one that started the fire that killed his parents. Maybe
Speaker 3: there's all this kind of stuff. But like, if he
Speaker 3: is a true, certifiable pyromaniac.
Speaker 2: He's like fucking two or three years old.
Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, that's true too. It's called baby proof in
Speaker 3: your house, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what are they two foot tall? And
Speaker 2: I'll just put it up on the counter.
Speaker 3: For real.
Speaker 2: So the situation continued to worsen from a deal when
Speaker 2: reports of the Curse of the Crying Boy painting started
Speaker 2: to spread across Europe. His fame quickly turned to suspicion,
Speaker 2: and he became known as a jinx. No one wanted
Speaker 2: to look at any of his paintings, let alone commission
Speaker 2: him to paint something new. Of course, you got all
Speaker 2: these stories associated with it, and how strange is this
Speaker 2: fucking story unfolding? But u so did the subjects suffer
Speaker 2: a tragic death. Unfortunately, Don Benio's life ended much like
Speaker 2: it began. The Little Boy in a blaze of fire.
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy six, police responded to the report of
Speaker 2: a car crash on the outskirts of Barcelona. The car
Speaker 2: exploded after crashing into a wall. When officers arrived on
Speaker 2: the scene, they found that the driver had been burned
Speaker 2: beyond recognition. He was the only one in the car
Speaker 2: at the time of the crash. Police officers searched the
Speaker 2: glove box, which survived the fire, and found a part
Speaker 2: of his driver's license. The name on the license revealed
Speaker 2: the victim to be Don Benio. For many, the fiery
Speaker 2: manner of his death served to add validity to the
Speaker 2: Crying Boy curse.
Speaker 3: Holy shit, So he did grow up, you know, he
Speaker 3: got to at least young adulthood of nothing else, only
Speaker 3: to die in a fiery car crash.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, dude. Right. So, and then it gets into
Speaker 2: how the Prince surved this. One says sixty house fires.
Speaker 2: I read eighty house fires. Like I said, it's hard
Speaker 2: to get solid facts on this, but so. The first
Speaker 2: reported house fire occurred at how at the home of
Speaker 2: Ron and Mary Hall in Rotherham in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: The fire destroyed everything on the first floor of their
Speaker 2: Terraced Council home save for one item, a printing or
Speaker 2: a print of the Crying Boy that hung on their
Speaker 2: living room wall. During the fire, the painting fell from
Speaker 2: the wall, landed face down, and strangely was only slightly charred.
Speaker 2: Though the cause of the fire was found to be
Speaker 2: a chip pan, which is like a deep frying pan
Speaker 2: and says that overheated and burst into flames. The couple
Speaker 2: became convinced that the painting was cursed and that it,
Speaker 2: not the pan, was to blame for the destruction of
Speaker 2: their home. The Halls were not alone in their experience
Speaker 2: or theory. Many similar fires followed, with homes and even
Speaker 2: a pizza parlor falling victim to the curse. Despite starting
Speaker 2: from typical causes, each fire left behind a crying boy painting,
Speaker 2: the curse evolved to cause injury and death, with some
Speaker 2: people reporting accidents after purchasing the print. Many others were
Speaker 2: horrified to find that they could not burn it when
Speaker 2: they tried.
Speaker 3: That was gonna be my next point. Why didn't they
Speaker 3: just test the theory and try to torch the painting, Like,
Speaker 3: go outside, make a fire and see what's up. Now.
Speaker 3: The theory at that time would be, oh, it's printed
Speaker 3: on fire retardant paper. Yep, no one's doing that for
Speaker 3: a painting. If anything, the ink makes it go up
Speaker 3: like an inferno.
Speaker 2: And even still that far it's fire retardant. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: there are certain things that what is it the fire
Speaker 2: retardant clothing that you got to wear in the plants
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Right, if you blast it with
Speaker 2: a flame, it'll eventually catch fire, I would imagine, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fire retardant does not mean fire proof by
Speaker 3: any means. Okay, it gives you a few more seconds,
Speaker 3: if not a few more minutes of maybe not getting
Speaker 3: you know, completely burned alive yourself, but it's not like
Speaker 3: you're gonna come out unharmed. I have no mixes right
Speaker 3: now in the closet. If I go outside with a
Speaker 3: regular lighter, not even like a buttant torch, a regular lighter, yo,
Speaker 3: if I sit there and put the flame on it,
Speaker 3: unblowing away or whatever for like a solid minute, it's
Speaker 3: going to catch. Now it's also gonna catch and probably
Speaker 3: go out quickly, you know what I mean. It's not
Speaker 3: like it's gonna take off and do its own thing.
Speaker 3: But it's like the more you wash it, the less
Speaker 3: fire retarding it is. As well. There's like there's things
Speaker 3: to this one hundred.
Speaker 2: Percent right, it's more fire resistant instead of fire proof
Speaker 2: and so, and that's the thing. Like you think about
Speaker 2: the heat that is coming off of house fires, I
Speaker 2: mean that is it takes firefighters fucking a long time
Speaker 2: to put out house fires, right, So that is a scolding,
Speaker 2: fiery inferno, and the paintings just barely get a little
Speaker 2: char That's weird, the fuck man. So and then it
Speaker 2: gets even weirder. So the firefighters failed to explain why
Speaker 2: the paintings didn't burn, because yes, it did have that
Speaker 2: protect it, but it still should have caught a little
Speaker 2: bit right. So fire service investigators or investigations pointed to
Speaker 2: discarded cigarettes, overheated chip pans, and faulty wiring, leading firefighters
Speaker 2: to believe that the house fires resulted from human carelessness
Speaker 2: rather than a supernatural curse. Rotherham fire station officer Alan
Speaker 2: Wilkinson personally logged fifty fires where the Crying Boy painting survived.
Speaker 2: He personally was there for fifty of them. WHOA, that's strange.
Speaker 2: So Wilkinson was skeptical, but could not explain how the
Speaker 2: artwork survived the flames. His wife, on the other hand,
Speaker 2: had her own theory. I always say it's the tears
Speaker 2: that put the fire out. Ooh, the tears on the
Speaker 2: little boys putting the fire out. Holy shit.
Speaker 3: Oh that's fucking wild, dude.
Speaker 2: Whoa this, dude, I'm getting so many chills reading all this.
Speaker 2: So Wilkinson's disbelief in the curse did not save him
Speaker 2: from some superstitions. When presented with the framed print of
Speaker 2: the crying Boy upon his retirement, he politely declined the gift.
Speaker 2: The widespread panic eventually led Chief Divisional Officer Mick Riley
Speaker 2: of the Yorkshire Fire Service to issue a statement meant
Speaker 2: to debunk the curse. This is the statement. The reason
Speaker 2: why this picture has not always been destroyed in the
Speaker 2: fire is because it's printed on high density hardboard, which
Speaker 2: is very difficult to ignite. His statement did little to
Speaker 2: convince the public, however, neither did the fact that the
Speaker 2: paintings were often of different children and even from different artists.
Speaker 2: How about that, right, So all right, you're gonna say
Speaker 2: it's on hardboard, sure, sure, but shit still catches fire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the words to catch fire would catches fire cardboard,
Speaker 3: even the very condensed one that you would use for
Speaker 3: certain things. Yeah, I know it all burns, dude.
Speaker 2: Yes, So just to go back over the sun tabloid.
Speaker 2: On September fourth, nineteen eighty five, the Crying Boy paintings
Speaker 2: received the first of what would be what would be
Speaker 2: six weeks of news coverage with an article titled Blazing
Speaker 2: Curse of the of the Crying Boy, published on page
Speaker 2: thirteen by a British tabloid newspaper called The Sun. It
Speaker 2: detailed the harrowing experience of the recent victims of a
Speaker 2: house fire, Ron and Mary Hall. A follow up article
Speaker 2: on September fifth brought new terrifying stories from the readers
Speaker 2: that claimed to be victims of the curse in addition
Speaker 2: to fires. In addition to fires, injuries and deaths, some
Speaker 2: accounts included supernatural occurrences, with readers allegedly or alleging that
Speaker 2: they saw the print sway from side to side on
Speaker 2: the wall, or that it returned to the place after
Speaker 2: being destroyed. What okay, that is really weird. So the
Speaker 2: soun article also claimed that the firefighters believed in the curse,
Speaker 2: despite conflicting statements by the fire service. So that was
Speaker 2: just lip service from that from that police chief or
Speaker 2: the fire chief, right, and so he was just like
Speaker 2: a calm down, it's not real. It's just hard bored.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile in the background, they're like, Yo, that shit is
Speaker 2: fucking cursed. Get that thing away from me, right, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, maybe the chief was just like the ultimate skeptic.
Speaker 3: Everybody else that's catching the calls for these fires and
Speaker 3: actually putting it out are like, dude, no, there's something
Speaker 3: weird here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it says readers were captivated due to a
Speaker 2: wide reaching audience. Awareness of the Crying Boy curse spread
Speaker 2: very quickly. The sun fanned the flames, no pun intended
Speaker 2: with additional articles, each more sensational than the first. By
Speaker 2: the end of October, panic reached an all time high,
Speaker 2: and many looked to the Sun for an answer. Okay,
Speaker 2: little sun warshipld be there. In a sense, this.
Speaker 3: One tabloid is what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm just saying the symbolism is weird, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: So the paintings, as it the the news article called
Speaker 2: for a mass burning of all these paintings, right, because
Speaker 2: it got so entrenched. It was the main newspaper that
Speaker 2: was talking about this. It was talking about it for months,
Speaker 2: and so The Son's editor, Kelvin Mackenzie, credited as the
Speaker 2: father of the Crying Boy curse was the one to
Speaker 2: announce enough is enough, folks. If you're worried about a
Speaker 2: crying boy picture hanging in your home, send it to
Speaker 2: us immediately. We will destroy it for you, and that
Speaker 2: and that should see the back of any curse. Soon.
Speaker 2: The Bouvier Street office of the Sun was overrun with
Speaker 2: crying Boy paintings stacked twelve feet high in the newsroom,
Speaker 2: spilling out of cupboards and entirely filling up a little
Speaker 2: used interview room. Readers had sent in about twenty five
Speaker 2: hundred copies in total.
Speaker 3: Bro Ver, get that shit out of there for the
Speaker 3: new studio burns down, Holy.
Speaker 2: Shit, straight up. So Mackenzie, the editor had to scramble
Speaker 2: for a solution to destroy all the paintings. Eventually decided
Speaker 2: to burn them in a mass bonfire near the River Thames.
Speaker 2: Does that say that Tames? Yeah, In a highly publicized
Speaker 2: event on Halloween. The paintings burned under the supervision of
Speaker 2: the fire Brigreat Brigade. They burned it on Halloween.
Speaker 3: Bro I mean, listen, what listen? I am obviously not
Speaker 3: the h the symbolic symbolism sigil, magic cult guy of
Speaker 3: the two of us, but even I know that's fucking stupid. Okay,
Speaker 3: that just you're asking for it at this time.
Speaker 2: What are you trying to release it to the other
Speaker 2: side when the veil is at its thinnest. Why would
Speaker 2: you want to do that.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, they are a tabloid, right,
Speaker 3: and if they were gonna do something to sensationalize it
Speaker 3: as much as possible, Yeah, Halloween burning of cursed images
Speaker 3: and things like that. I get the lore, I get
Speaker 3: the eye draw of it. But even still, if you're
Speaker 3: doing this because this many people are that scared of
Speaker 3: it and there's been that many house fires associated and
Speaker 3: all this, like, maybe maybe hold off for a week.
Speaker 3: That's just me.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing. But anyhow, The Sun put on
Speaker 2: an article with the headline Crying Flame that claimed the
Speaker 2: curse was dissolved once and for all. It offered readers
Speaker 2: a reassuring quote from one of its police officer chaperones
Speaker 2: that said, I think there will be many people who
Speaker 2: can breathe a little easier.
Speaker 3: Now. My god. It's a nice testament, it is, But dude,
Speaker 3: you gotta think that cop and I don't know if
Speaker 3: that cop who said that actually believed in the curse
Speaker 3: or not. He's probably some like twenty year veteran of
Speaker 3: the police force of Scotland yard right, and he's he's
Speaker 3: seen a bunch and done a bunch and he's over
Speaker 3: here halving to like do street patrol for some sort
Speaker 3: of burning of a painting because people think it's cursed.
Speaker 3: And he's just like, yeah, I believe the people will
Speaker 3: be able to sleep a little easier now, And like
Speaker 3: in reality he's probably thinking to himself like this is
Speaker 3: so fucking stupid. I can't believe I have to work
Speaker 3: overtime for this shit. Or was he like, yo, I'm
Speaker 3: actually really tired of answering these calls for house fires. Like, look,
Speaker 3: I genuinely think people will be able to sleep a
Speaker 3: little easier, and we hope this is the end of
Speaker 3: it all.
Speaker 2: Who knows, I mean, it could be everything. Really. Maybe
Speaker 2: he even believed in it. I mean, as it said
Speaker 2: stated earlier that a lot of firefighters believed in it.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know if the chief believed in it himself.
Speaker 2: Doesn't really go into that, but you know, I mean
Speaker 2: just think about you know, certain firehouses. Those dudes are
Speaker 2: like brothers in there. You spend so much time. I
Speaker 2: mean the people that work at fire stations, they're there
Speaker 2: all fucking day, dude, you know, and a lot of
Speaker 2: them are volunteer. They don't get to spend a whole
Speaker 2: lot of time with their family. So essentially their co
Speaker 2: workers become like their family. So if you're spending that
Speaker 2: much time around people that are going and putting out
Speaker 2: like member, that one police chief, that one not police chief,
Speaker 2: that one fire chief, that one fire unit went and
Speaker 2: put out fifty of them themselves. And so you would
Speaker 2: imagine getting a call, hey, we got a house on fire.
Speaker 2: You go in there, you see the painting. Oh that's weird,
Speaker 2: No what, no big deal whatever. You go in there
Speaker 2: and see a second one. Okay, that's kind of strange,
Speaker 2: a little bit of coincidental, but whatever. You go see
Speaker 2: fucking fifty of them, you're gonna start to believe. Bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now I'm with you. Fifty of them where everything
Speaker 3: is gone except for that one painting. Yeah, Like, even
Speaker 3: if you're not superstitious, you would become superstitious at that point.
Speaker 2: You might be like Steve Carrell in the office, I'm
Speaker 2: not superstitious, I'm a little spitious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, just a little bit. I like that.
Speaker 2: It's all it takes. I mean, instead of this day,
Speaker 2: I won't step on a crack. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I love my mama, Oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 2: So the next thing that they bring up is that
Speaker 2: the materials may have had something to do with it.
Speaker 2: So after the mass bonfire, talk of the curse died down,
Speaker 2: but never really went away. British writer and comedian Steve
Speaker 2: Punt investigated the Crying Boy series in a BBC Radio
Speaker 2: four production called Punt Pie or Punt Pi. Some years later,
Speaker 2: Punt purchased a Crying Boy picture, then was inexplicably delayed
Speaker 2: on his destination several times before attempting to burn the
Speaker 2: print With construction researcher Martin Shipp. The two men found
Speaker 2: that beyond the string, the artwork didn't really burn. Punt
Speaker 2: and Ship surmised that if fire retardant varnish was used.
Speaker 2: The test also explained how the string holding the painting
Speaker 2: on the wall would burn and cause it to face
Speaker 2: down on the floor. Another investigation suggested that Amadillo's use
Speaker 2: of a compression board could also explain why it was
Speaker 2: so difficult to burn. Okay, Okay, I don't think that
Speaker 2: that expels all of the weirdness that is attached to
Speaker 2: this by any means. But you know you're looking at
Speaker 2: the string that is holding the painting. You know he
Speaker 2: had some kind of hard compression board. But remember he
Speaker 2: wasn't the only guy. Amadillo was not the only guy
Speaker 2: creating these paintings. A lot of people at the time
Speaker 2: they saw how popular these paintings were, and they're trying
Speaker 2: to create the artist's rendition, right, So explain those We're
Speaker 2: all of those on hard compression hardboard.
Speaker 3: I doubt it, no, no way, any Again, even if
Speaker 3: it was dude, that's still flammable. Yeah, it takes a
Speaker 3: little longer to burn. Sure, it's a denser material. It's
Speaker 3: not flame retardant.
Speaker 2: Not flame retardant. Right. So the final thing we'll read
Speaker 2: on this article, By the way, this is a fucking
Speaker 2: awesome article. This is by listverse dot com. It says,
Speaker 2: so the curse became an urban legend. Despite the various
Speaker 2: attempts to debunk the curse, people have continued to believe,
Speaker 2: leading it to become a full fledged urban legend, one
Speaker 2: that has expanded to include paintings by different artists. For example,
Speaker 2: the portraits of Scottish artists and a Zinkesen similarly feature
Speaker 2: crying girls and boys, and have often been attached to
Speaker 2: the Crying Boy curse. Season three, episode four of Weird
Speaker 2: or What With William Shatner explained the legend of the paintings.
Speaker 2: As recently as twenty twelve. Different online groups also popped up,
Speaker 2: which as the Dutch Crying the Dutch Crying Boy fan Club,
Speaker 2: but many have since disappeared. However, a forum on the
Speaker 2: Unexplained Mysteries website is still open for viewing. You can
Speaker 2: also find talk of the curse on social media. On
Speaker 2: February second, twenty twenty two, Hansbury Hansbury Arms Haunted Hotel
Speaker 2: and Museum posted that they currently have several crying Crying
Speaker 2: Boy paintings on display, proving that this urban legend isn't
Speaker 2: going away anytime soon. So, of course it is esoteresis
Speaker 2: my kind of People argue that when an artist paints
Speaker 2: a portrait of a person, part of their soul is
Speaker 2: sealed in paper. People have created plenty of legends and
Speaker 2: lore about cursed paintings, some of which black magicians could
Speaker 2: even seal the person himself or tie his life to
Speaker 2: the portrait. In the case of these paintings, the faces
Speaker 2: of these children reflect them wide open eyes, full of tear, resentment, despair,
Speaker 2: misunderstanding the viewer's heart breaks looking at them. So it's
Speaker 2: quite possible that the picture after its completion retained this
Speaker 2: energy and through the painting, these small sitters took revenge
Speaker 2: on those who hung their images at home. But it's
Speaker 2: just legend, right, Wow, I fuck, I love it.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's multiple people that do believe something like that.
Speaker 3: That's why certain tribes will not let their pictures be taken,
Speaker 3: because they believe that a portion of their soul gets
Speaker 3: captured in the picture itself. And that's not like a
Speaker 3: new concept. So I didn't know there was esotericists that
Speaker 3: believe that paintings could also do the same thing, because
Speaker 3: it's like, how good is the artist? Right? If it's
Speaker 3: like if it's especially like a super realistic type of painting,
Speaker 3: you see people get like curricatures done but don't look
Speaker 3: anything like them. Sure, then you also see certain people
Speaker 3: that get curricatures done and it looks identical. So I mean,
Speaker 3: maybe there's some sort of like nuance to that but
Speaker 3: these were ultra realistic prints.
Speaker 2: Well, and think about it like this. So certain people
Speaker 2: will get tattoos of maybe, you know, their kids that passed,
Speaker 2: or their mother that passed, their father, their dog, you
Speaker 2: know whatever, right, And a lot of people say that
Speaker 2: they feel they you know, they feel for the loss
Speaker 2: of course, but that that person is always with them
Speaker 2: in the tattoo. And so I don't know, maybe it's
Speaker 2: just hearsay. Maybe it's just like a you want to
Speaker 2: believe it's so it is kind of thing. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: actually going on. I mean, we don't know what the
Speaker 2: fuck is going on down at the quantum level. You know,
Speaker 2: we don't understand this matrix fully yet.
Speaker 3: We do not. God, that's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So now we go over to another website right here.
Speaker 2: All right. So, in looking and researching this topic, such
Speaker 2: as the crying boy painting and a lot of the
Speaker 2: other ones that we were talking about earlier, certain cursed objects,
Speaker 2: I was wondering, you know, like, what are some of
Speaker 2: the ways to find out if you're cursed or if
Speaker 2: you're hext or if an object around you is cursed
Speaker 2: or hex or something like that. What would be good
Speaker 2: ways of trying to get to the bottom of it
Speaker 2: to see if that's really what it is, or maybe
Speaker 2: you just having an off day, Right, everybody has off
Speaker 2: days where you think, oh, that one thing that really
Speaker 2: just fucked my whole day, or you know, does it
Speaker 2: follow you? Do you have a dark cloud around you
Speaker 2: a lot more than you think you should? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so maybe it comes to generational curses. So it says,
Speaker 2: have you been feeling physically or emotionally drained lately? Do
Speaker 2: you keep experiencing a string of bad look or broken relationships?
Speaker 2: These could be signs that you've been a victim of
Speaker 2: an evil spell. Let's take a closer look at the
Speaker 2: physical and spiritual curse symptoms to watch out for. So
Speaker 2: physical symptoms if it's your if you are the person
Speaker 2: that is cursed, you might experience unexplained illness or pain.
Speaker 2: You would experience fatigue or exhaustion, headaches or migraines, digestive issues,
Speaker 2: insomnia or disrupted sleep, or sudden drops or rises in
Speaker 2: blood pressure. When negative energy is present in your life,
Speaker 2: it can manifest in physical ways. If you're experiencing any
Speaker 2: of these symptoms and can't find a logical explanation, it
Speaker 2: could be a sign of a hex or a curse.
Speaker 2: There are also spiritual symptoms such as negative thoughts or
Speaker 2: feelings of fear, a sense of being watched or followed,
Speaker 2: recurring nightmares, bad dreams, or sleep paralysis, a feeling of
Speaker 2: dread or unease, a general sense of negativity or unhappiness,
Speaker 2: suddenly making bad life decisions, or being surrounded by bad people.
Speaker 2: There are also unusual occurrences that are attached to this
Speaker 2: as well, So if you are cursed or hex, then
Speaker 2: maybe you're experiencing this weird shit. So strange animal behavior
Speaker 2: such as birds hitting windows or cats acting aggressively. Dude,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: Remember that one cat that I used to have, a
Speaker 2: black cat. His name was Juju, and he was a
Speaker 2: good cat. I found them on my porch one day,
Speaker 2: sweet little baby, I got him. I think it was
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks old whenever he first showed up
Speaker 2: on my porch. And one night I was I was
Speaker 2: a single man. I was living alone. You know my daughter,
Speaker 2: I had her every other week, but I just didn't
Speaker 2: have her that week, so it was just me and
Speaker 2: the house and how many dogs. It was just the cat, right,
Speaker 2: and I'm somebody. I'm like a fucking vampire, dude, Like
Speaker 2: I want to be in the dark at all times,
Speaker 2: especially at night, Like I just just you know, you
Speaker 2: don't have all of the light blaring into your eyes.
Speaker 2: The day is winding down. I don't need all those
Speaker 2: lights on. I want to sit in the dark and relax,
Speaker 2: maybe watch a show, play little xbox, do whatever.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And so I'm sitting there, I'm sitting on my recliner
Speaker 2: one night, and my cat Juju literally out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of him. I haven't heard him scurry
Speaker 2: or walk around or anything like that in hours. I
Speaker 2: just assume cats are always off doing their own fucking thing, right, Dude,
Speaker 2: out of nowhere he comes. He leaps from the couch
Speaker 2: onto my face, claws my face and will not let go.
Speaker 2: Oh this out of nowhere. This is like I didn't say,
Speaker 2: I didn't even know where the fuck he was for
Speaker 2: the last couple of hours, but out of nowhere. I'm
Speaker 2: in the dark, I'm watching TV and he just comes
Speaker 2: and claws at my face for no specific reason. Maybe
Speaker 2: what we're talking about, maybe there was some kind of curse,
Speaker 2: maybe there was some kind of hecks and being is that.
Speaker 2: You know, we talked to all kinds of people. We
Speaker 2: we've talked to witches, We've talked to magicians, We've talked
Speaker 2: to wizards and all of the spiritual, like who knows.
Speaker 2: And it could be something like as simple as an
Speaker 2: ex girlfriend getting a little petty, right, she's like, how
Speaker 2: do I get this motherfucker back?
Speaker 3: You know, that could be away the dark side for help.
Speaker 3: I mean, the crazier shit has happened, for sure, But
Speaker 3: I mean, as I think with cats especially, it's hard
Speaker 3: to tell. Cats can be assholes, and they could just
Speaker 3: jump at you just for no reason and then like
Speaker 3: look at you, like what and just walk away. That's
Speaker 3: also very much within the realm of possibility. But sure,
Speaker 3: I will say Juju didn't do that kind of shit.
Speaker 3: He kind of chilled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very unprovoked and and it was very
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. He was always a sweet cat and
Speaker 2: just one day he decides to be this asshole. It
Speaker 2: was like two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3: Now, when you say clauw like fucked you up? Like
Speaker 3: or was it like he just clenched on and like
Speaker 3: wooden leg go because he was scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like like leapt onto my face from the couch.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember, like the layout of
Speaker 2: my living room back in Louisiana. But I had the couch,
Speaker 2: and then in the center of the living room I
Speaker 2: had a recliner, and so I would always sit in
Speaker 2: the recliner. That was like, that's the man's seat, is
Speaker 2: the recliner, you know, And so I would always sit there.
Speaker 2: It was like a fucking six foot jump he had
Speaker 2: to make from the couch. Leapt from the couch onto
Speaker 2: my face was predatory. That was some predator shit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I don't know. Very weird. Another unusual occurrence that
Speaker 2: might happen is broken glass or objects that seemed to
Speaker 2: break for no reason, missing personal items or important documents. Jacob,
Speaker 2: we were just talking about that before the show.
Speaker 3: Or indeed, although it has been found. Oh good, the
Speaker 3: text message.
Speaker 2: Anyway, all right, so you're not cursed?
Speaker 3: Good? No, No, I'm not cursed. I got any curses
Speaker 3: I have have been because of my own stupidity, let's
Speaker 3: be honest.
Speaker 2: Very well. Another weird occurrence might be a bad omen
Speaker 2: such as black cats. Oh, it's funny, we're just talking
Speaker 2: about that, such as black cats. Crossing your path, or
Speaker 2: an unusual number of shooting stars.
Speaker 3: Shooting stars are an ominous thing.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I never heard about that until
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: So Disney lied to us that whole when you wish
Speaker 3: up on a star. Yeah no, no, that's actually a
Speaker 3: bad omen. That's not a good thing. That's supposed to
Speaker 3: be like fallen angels they over here having us wish
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 2: Well, think about what is it paramount with the mountain
Speaker 2: and all the stars on top. You see all the
Speaker 2: stars coming down to heaven and then they all encircle
Speaker 2: around the mountain, right Like some people say that, Well,
Speaker 2: that's Hollywood showing you that they're using fallen angels or
Speaker 2: they're you know, in some kind of way, so really strange.
Speaker 2: Another weird way or another weird occurrence would be threatening
Speaker 2: letters or messages, bad weather such as sudden thunderstorms or hail. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, and I feel like any one of these
Speaker 2: things happen, you're like, okay, whatever, not a big deal.
Speaker 2: I mean, it rains, you know, sometimes you cross a
Speaker 2: black cat whatever. But if you get multiple of these,
Speaker 2: you might be starting to question the reality you living
Speaker 2: of if you're cursed or not another one is having
Speaker 2: a run of the worst luck you've ever experienced. We've
Speaker 2: all been there and feeling like your life is on
Speaker 2: a downward spiral no matter what you do. So I
Speaker 2: know a lot of people that definitely believe that bad
Speaker 2: luck just follows them no matter where they go. If
Speaker 2: it wasn't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all,
Speaker 2: As they say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I know some people like that as well,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So that's just a little bit that I
Speaker 2: wanted to get into. Now, how curses come and demons enter?
Speaker 2: This by Actually, this is a Christian thing. It's Christian
Speaker 2: dash Faith dot com. So anybody that is of the
Speaker 2: Christian variety, this would be for you. Maybe it says
Speaker 2: curses take root in the same way that demons enter.
Speaker 2: It may be that in the case of some curses,
Speaker 2: demons don't go inside the person, but somehow attach themselves
Speaker 2: to them. Anyway, The important thing in either case is
Speaker 2: to destroy the legal ground through which Satan's demons get
Speaker 2: access to afflict, harass, and torment people. It is often
Speaker 2: helpful to know the main ways that the demons get
Speaker 2: into people. In order to get the demons out, we
Speaker 2: usually need to know what it was that gave them
Speaker 2: the legal right to enter in the first place. Then
Speaker 2: by renunciation of that thing and by determined faith in God,
Speaker 2: we can, with God's authority, command the related demons to leave.
Speaker 2: The demons will be forced to leave. Demons cannot just
Speaker 2: enter people anytime they want to. They need a legal
Speaker 2: opening to do so. Knowledge of the things that open
Speaker 2: the door to demons will also give us the knowledge
Speaker 2: of how to keep the door shut on them. It
Speaker 2: is also necessary in order to maintain our deliference. What
Speaker 2: is the point of getting demons out if they're only
Speaker 2: just going to be let back in shortly later. So
Speaker 2: generational curses and I really wanted to bring it up
Speaker 2: for this one because I always hear you talking about
Speaker 2: generational curses and generational blessings. For sure, Let's see what
Speaker 2: the Old Bible got to say about it, or at
Speaker 2: least people you know that are well read into it
Speaker 2: says demons very often get into people while they're still
Speaker 2: in their mother's womb. Idolatry and occultic sins are transmitted
Speaker 2: to the third and fourth generations of those who hate God.
Speaker 2: That's from Exodus twenty dash three. Demons have a right
Speaker 2: to enter the unborn babies of those who are under
Speaker 2: such curses. It is through demons that curses are transmitted
Speaker 2: from generation to generation. This may not seem fair, but
Speaker 2: it is a reality. We inherit both good and bad
Speaker 2: from our ancestors. But because of Jesus, we can break
Speaker 2: out of the curse and come into the abundant life
Speaker 2: of God's children. Some people are a certain way because
Speaker 2: they have been demonically oppressed all their lives, even from
Speaker 2: the womb. People can think that it is part of
Speaker 2: that it's part of them, but it really isn't. They
Speaker 2: can be freed. I personally needed much deliverance from spirits
Speaker 2: associated with false religion of freemason. My great grandfather was
Speaker 2: a high level Freemason and the curse associated with that
Speaker 2: did affect my family and I. After deliverance from this,
Speaker 2: my spiritual life was able to go forward and I
Speaker 2: had much more peace in my walk with God. There
Speaker 2: was definitely a spiritual struggle when some demons had to
Speaker 2: be coughed out of my system as I came to
Speaker 2: the Lord Jesus for deliverance, Which is funny that kind
Speaker 2: of checks out with what demon eraser was talking about
Speaker 2: highly suggest all the good cult members go back and
Speaker 2: listen to that one. That one was that was a
Speaker 2: deep that was a deep cut from demon Eraser. I
Speaker 2: can't wait to have him back on.
Speaker 3: We need to, man, and I honestly, for god, we
Speaker 3: had did an episode with him until you had brought
Speaker 3: the name up. We gotta have that conversation again.
Speaker 2: Love that guy.
Speaker 3: And I mean again, I'm not saying that every freemason
Speaker 3: out there is doing demonic practices. The majority of them
Speaker 3: were just guys that are trying to have a group
Speaker 3: to belong to. You know, it's only at the higher
Speaker 3: tiers and they realize and learn more about the inner
Speaker 3: workings when it's like, okay, no, this is a full
Speaker 3: on cult. But at that point, you've soaked thirty to
Speaker 3: thirty five years of your life into this organization, and
Speaker 3: it's very difficult to walk away from because like that's
Speaker 3: your boys, that's your family, that's your people that like
Speaker 3: when you have a barbecue going on, these are the
Speaker 3: guys you call when when one of your family members
Speaker 3: is sick. These are the guys you call to help
Speaker 3: out and like pull resources together. It's it's difficult for
Speaker 3: people to leave something they've dedicated that much of their
Speaker 3: life to it. I get it.
Speaker 2: Oh, very similar to even like doctors, you know, if
Speaker 2: they discover that holistic health is the way that they
Speaker 2: really want to go, but they've already sunk so much
Speaker 2: money and so much training and schooling and everything into
Speaker 2: it that they have no choice but to follow through.
Speaker 2: And what they don't believe to even be the true
Speaker 2: like realistic health nature of humans of humanity in a sense, right,
Speaker 2: but they're almost forced to and so kind of similar
Speaker 2: to the Freemasons, It's like, once you put in so
Speaker 2: much time, dude, you're in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The same with motorcycle clubs. I've known quite a
Speaker 3: few guys that were like a part of the one
Speaker 3: percent lifestyle, right, and they were outlaw motorcycle members or
Speaker 3: club members, and whenever they left it, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but that's my entire friend group, Like that is my
Speaker 3: that's my group of brothers. Like when kids got a
Speaker 3: birthday party. These are the guys that show up when
Speaker 3: like I'm broke down the side of the road. These
Speaker 3: are the guys I'm calling. And to leave that is
Speaker 3: literally to ostracize yourself from your group. And like it's
Speaker 3: it's very difficult to do, man, I get it, dude.
Speaker 2: My grandpa, so my mom's dad, was a part of
Speaker 2: a one percenter biker gang club thing club and club.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, let's be official here. And you know, everybody
Speaker 2: always thought, like man, I thought that once you were
Speaker 2: a part of that one percenter type of club that
Speaker 2: you were, you were in it for life, that you
Speaker 2: couldn't get out, And so everybody was questioning like, what
Speaker 2: did you do to get out of that? And it
Speaker 2: was always hush hush every time we brought it up.
Speaker 2: He never wanted to talk about it like it was.
Speaker 2: There was a there was a version of him that
Speaker 2: we saw, and then there was also this other version
Speaker 2: that he never spoke about.
Speaker 3: There's ways to get out, like in good standing kind
Speaker 3: of thing like retirement if you will, or something like that,
Speaker 3: but it really depends on the levels you've gone to
Speaker 3: in the name of the club, like a lot of them.
Speaker 3: If you have ink that like you've gotten in that
Speaker 3: you have to get a blacked out or removed right now.
Speaker 3: There are certain exceptions to that rule where they allow
Speaker 3: you to retain the ink, but that is very very rare,
Speaker 3: and it also depends on the amount of knowledge that
Speaker 3: you have on like past crimes committed or something like that.
Speaker 3: It's it's like an insurance policy as well. It's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's supposed to be an entire life that you
Speaker 3: dedicate to that organization. The same way with the Freemasons.
Speaker 3: You're supposed to dedicate your life your oaths when you join.
Speaker 3: If you speak of anything that you see or learn
Speaker 3: in this let your tropy slit ear to ear, your
Speaker 3: tongue cut pull from cut out and dropped into the
Speaker 3: bottom of the Jordan River. That's like one of the
Speaker 3: things that you say upon your oath when you join.
Speaker 3: There's like, there's levels to this shit. And that's not
Speaker 3: just saying fancy words. You're basically throwing a curse on
Speaker 3: yourself if you ever dot dot dot and so yeah,
Speaker 3: to say that there might be some sort of hereditary
Speaker 3: curse that's associated with it, especially if you get up
Speaker 3: to the higher levels and learn that forbidden and secret
Speaker 3: knowledge you mean that demonolic knowledge and that sigil magic knowledge, Like, oh, absolutely,
Speaker 3: that will affect your bloodline.
Speaker 2: And maybe he got out clean and free and maybe
Speaker 2: he was just retiring, but just the fact that it
Speaker 2: was never allowed to be talked about how he got out,
Speaker 2: which I don't know, you know, but I mean, hey,
Speaker 2: I was. That's a that's a soft spot for me
Speaker 2: because he always told me that whenever he died, that
Speaker 2: I was gonna get his fat boy Harley, and then
Speaker 2: his fucking wife went and sold it and pissed me off.
Speaker 3: Although I gotta say, I have mad respect for your
Speaker 3: gramps for keeping his mouth shut about it, because that's
Speaker 3: how you're supposed to Like, that's the way it goes.
Speaker 3: And like even if it was out on good standing
Speaker 3: or out on bad standing, if it was some sort
Speaker 3: of a situation like that, Like, Yo, even years after
Speaker 3: the fact, he's still not talking about it. He's keeping
Speaker 3: it ten toes down, even after he doesn't have to anymore. Yo.
Speaker 3: That's fucking respect.
Speaker 2: That's a real one. That's a real So. Anyway back
Speaker 2: to this deliverance, it says like many Indian people, even
Speaker 2: from believing families, need deliverance from the curses associated with
Speaker 2: the idolatry of their ancestors. For example, I've heard of
Speaker 2: new believers in Fiji of Indian origin needing deliverance from
Speaker 2: spirits of the monkey God, which their ancestors worshiped strange
Speaker 2: monkey like manifestations occurred when this spirit was confronted. When
Speaker 2: you read between the lines and the Bible, you can
Speaker 2: see how certain sins come down to generations. Solomon was
Speaker 2: born of David and of Bethsheba. Did you say that
Speaker 2: got Shiba as Sheba? A relationship which began an adultery,
Speaker 2: And so Solomon's love for foreign women became his downfall.
Speaker 2: He had seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines, and
Speaker 2: his foreign wives led him to led him into idolatry
Speaker 2: Rehoboam I say that ye, Solomon's son also had plenty
Speaker 2: of wives and concubines, though he was a man of
Speaker 2: more modest means. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob all had a
Speaker 2: problem with lying and deceiving. Abraham and Isaac both lied
Speaker 2: saying their wives were their sisters. Jacob deceived his brother
Speaker 2: and was later deceived by his own sons. Concerning Joseph,
Speaker 2: even God's men can be vulnerable to this kind of
Speaker 2: generational character flaw. This is not to say that a
Speaker 2: man is forced to sin because of his sins of
Speaker 2: his parents. Hezekiah was a good example of one king
Speaker 2: who refused to follow the ungodly example of his father
Speaker 2: and Jesus Christ. All can be freed from the chains
Speaker 2: of generational and cultural sins and live in the perfect
Speaker 2: will of God, but often deliverance is needed before this
Speaker 2: can be realized. So I just wanted to bring this
Speaker 2: up because I know that certain people are going to
Speaker 2: look at this from all perspectives. I you know, I
Speaker 2: the more time and the more years that we put
Speaker 2: into this, I realized that my perspective is not the
Speaker 2: only perspective, and so I don't like to necessarily push
Speaker 2: people into believing what I believe. I don't think that
Speaker 2: by by getting somebody else to believe what I believe
Speaker 2: adds validity by any means. And I think that a
Speaker 2: lot of people probably do think that. But you know,
Speaker 2: I like looking at all the different perspectives here because
Speaker 2: you know, you're going to have people, I mean, we
Speaker 2: have thousands of cult members all across the world who
Speaker 2: are looking at it from many different perspectives. So I
Speaker 2: thought this would be a kind gesture to include.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, bron I appreciate that. And to that point, yeah,
Speaker 3: there is all kinds of examples in the Old Testament,
Speaker 3: especially of hereditary curses happening in these good and wise
Speaker 3: and noble kings and people that are like, you know, seen
Speaker 3: as like biblical hero right and touronic heroes. I'm probably
Speaker 3: mispronounced that heroes from the Torah, I would say, tronic.
Speaker 3: I'm probably you know whatever. But beside the point that
Speaker 3: we're flawed individuals and we're committing grave sins, and now
Speaker 3: those sins have been etched into the history books as
Speaker 3: a part of their whole story arc. But yeah, God
Speaker 3: could still use them in spite of and in some
Speaker 3: cases because of their iniquities, you know. And I feel
Speaker 3: like that's kind of the entire point to be inspired
Speaker 3: by that and to think that nobody is beyond repair,
Speaker 3: like no sheep is too far gone that the shepherd
Speaker 3: can't find them and bring them back kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, hereditary curses are a thing. And if you
Speaker 3: identify and discover that you do have a hereditary curse
Speaker 3: that you're suffering from, you should do everything in your
Speaker 3: power to fight against that. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: and I know this is going to piss people off.
Speaker 3: I myself am a divorcee. Divorce can be a hereditary curse.
Speaker 3: How many people do you know that are like third
Speaker 3: generation divorcees. You tell me that's no kind of hereditary
Speaker 3: curse of some way, shape or form. Now, yes, I
Speaker 3: understand that there's nuances to every situation and not all
Speaker 3: couples are built the same. I get this, I get it.
Speaker 3: But you then see that one kid come from a
Speaker 3: horribly divorced home that does everything in his power to
Speaker 3: make it work with their wife or their husband because
Speaker 3: they don't want to do that to their kids and all.
Speaker 3: It's like, there are ways to break these types of
Speaker 3: hereditary curses. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, and you know, I never went
Speaker 2: through a divorce, but we teetered on it, you know,
Speaker 2: like we were we were almost there. And maybe that's
Speaker 2: because you know, my mom was divorced to my biological dad, right,
Speaker 2: like she married him for the wrong reasons, just because
Speaker 2: she got pregnant, found out she didn't love him, and
Speaker 2: you know, the story ended, and so maybe that was
Speaker 2: something that was even trailing me. There's just no way
Speaker 2: of knowing.
Speaker 3: And I don't say that with any kind of shape
Speaker 3: or animosity. So my first wife, okay, she came, we
Speaker 3: would make the fourth generation of divorces and when we
Speaker 3: got together that was like a whole thing, like we
Speaker 3: are not gonna get divorced. We are making this work
Speaker 3: because this and this and this. You look at my parents,
Speaker 3: let my grandparents, you look at all my aunts and uncles,
Speaker 3: and dah da da, we have to make this work.
Speaker 3: That was what we got into the marriage with that
Speaker 3: type of mindset. Well, time change is people, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: And here we are. But my goal is to try
Speaker 3: to instill in my children and show how bad that
Speaker 3: can be and why, ay, you shouldn't get married at
Speaker 3: nineteen years old, cause you have no idea who the
Speaker 3: fuck you are at that time. Your spouse has no
Speaker 3: idea who the fuck they are, and you have no
Speaker 3: idea if you're gonna be the same people in five years,
Speaker 3: let alone forty five years. So like, maybe get yourself
Speaker 3: established first, Maybe get your career path lined out, Maybe
Speaker 3: get your house in order before you invite someone into
Speaker 3: that house. You see what I'm saying. I'm hoping that
Speaker 3: I can teach them that and break the curse on
Speaker 3: their generation. But at the end of the day, once
Speaker 3: they are adults, that's gonna be on them to do,
Speaker 3: you know, And that's that's kind of a part of.
Speaker 2: It for sure.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean and the like it. Like I said this,
Speaker 2: and like you said, this is not to judge anybody.
Speaker 2: Everybody goes through some shit. Nobody ever want nobody goes
Speaker 2: into a marriage wanting to get a divorce. It's just
Speaker 2: like you said, I mean, some people you grow and
Speaker 2: you you're growing in opposite directions. Maybe you didn't even
Speaker 2: date that person for long enough to really understand who
Speaker 2: they truly were type of thing. There could be some adultery,
Speaker 2: there could be some cheating or you know, beating and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So obviously there are reasons that make
Speaker 2: it okay, Like there's no doubt about that, But sometimes
Speaker 2: it just be like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm glad you said it like that too.
Speaker 3: I hope people don't think that we, you or I
Speaker 3: individually or us as a group, come at any of
Speaker 3: this with some sort of air of judgment. Good, I
Speaker 3: can promise you and assure you I have none to
Speaker 3: fucking give. Okay, I've I have learned my lesson about
Speaker 3: throwing a rock in a glass house, and trust me,
Speaker 3: my house is made a very very thin glass, So
Speaker 3: no judgment to be had.
Speaker 2: Here for sure. So let's it gets into a bunch
Speaker 2: of other things that are also associated with it, like
Speaker 2: rituals of non biblical religions and secret societies, sins of omission,
Speaker 2: sins of commission. We're not going to read all of that.
Speaker 2: I just really wanted to get to the nitty gritty
Speaker 2: and definitely associated to what we're talking about today, such
Speaker 2: as idols and cursed objects. Here we go, So any
Speaker 2: object associated with idolatry can bring demons into a person's life.
Speaker 2: We need to be careful about bringing back trinkets from
Speaker 2: third world nations that may be associated with gods, fetishes,
Speaker 2: or magic. In any way, any object with supposed a
Speaker 2: cult power or a cult tick power brings demons to
Speaker 2: the owner. Some symbols, like the Yin and yang symbol,
Speaker 2: the upside down broken cross used in witchcraft, and the
Speaker 2: peace movement all have demonic connotations and can open the
Speaker 2: door for demons. I don't know if I agree with.
Speaker 3: That that peace symbol right, the circle with the line
Speaker 3: and the triangle and that whole thing that like the seventies,
Speaker 3: the hippie peace logo apparently is the upside down broken cross.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know about that one. I
Speaker 2: was talking about the yin and yang symbol. I don't
Speaker 2: know how you could associate that with the demon.
Speaker 3: So, and this is not this isn't Jacob, This is
Speaker 3: in Jacob speaking on behalf of Jacob. I am going
Speaker 3: to say what certain pastors that I have heard give
Speaker 3: sermons on sigils and symbols and stuff will say about this. Right, So,
Speaker 3: the ying and the yang, that is a earthly symbol
Speaker 3: because it's saying that within every good there's a little bad,
Speaker 3: Within every bad, there's a little good. As Christians, we
Speaker 3: believe that God isn't all good. The yin and yang
Speaker 3: does not apply. Therefore it is a human construct. Therefore
Speaker 3: it is of the earth. Therefore it is not of God.
Speaker 2: Okay, to each their own. I understand, I understand. I
Speaker 2: don't agree with it, but I understand, all right.
Speaker 3: Right, But with that being said, philosophically speaking, I understand
Speaker 3: the ying and yang, and I don't look at it
Speaker 3: like some sort of a demon sigil by any means.
Speaker 3: I may disagree with it for a religious symbol, but
Speaker 3: as a cultural and philosophical understanding of how people are
Speaker 3: and how life can be. Yeah, I'm with it one
Speaker 3: hundred percent. I get it.
Speaker 2: I mean you could even say that the cross is
Speaker 2: idle worship, right Ah.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, if you're idolizing the cross as the symbol
Speaker 3: rather than what the cross was for and what the
Speaker 3: purpose of it was, then yes you can. I would say, Well,
Speaker 3: I mean just like churches leaving, like everybody wearing a
Speaker 3: cross pendant and stuff like that. I see where you're
Speaker 3: going for sure, But.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like people who get tattoos of a
Speaker 2: cross or a cross necklace or you know, shit like that.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, you know, maybe it can be you
Speaker 2: absolutely you can idolize anything, bro like by yeah, you
Speaker 2: can absolutely idolize the cross.
Speaker 3: Although it depends on if they are getting that tattoo
Speaker 3: or whatever to remember the sacrifice of Christ or are
Speaker 3: they getting that tattoo to have some sort of a
Speaker 3: prideful ooh look at me, I'm so Christian, Because then
Speaker 3: at that point that's incorrect. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's about what do I test the spirit? As some might.
Speaker 2: Say, no doubt, no doubt. So not only is it paintings,
Speaker 2: some paintings that can be cursed or hext you also
Speaker 2: have real life objects that are supposedly cursed. This article
Speaker 2: gets into eighteen of them. This is by rancor dot com.
Speaker 2: We've talked about this object before, Robert the Doll. Remember,
Speaker 2: we actually talked about this a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: in Christy's studio, and I don't think the whole episode
Speaker 2: was about it. I think we just brought it up, okay,
Speaker 2: but I remember this fucking freaky ass looking doll.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Robert the Doll was a life size companion to a
Speaker 2: young boy named Jean Auto in the early nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: Several stories about Robert's origins and how he became cursed
Speaker 2: have circulated throughout the years, but the most common is
Speaker 2: that Jean's nanny curse the doll after falling out with
Speaker 2: the boy's parents. After the casting of this supposed curse,
Speaker 2: Jeane began talking to Robert as if the doll was
Speaker 2: a real person. Jean's parents said that they could hear
Speaker 2: their son speaking to the doll all evening, and they
Speaker 2: could even hear the doll responding in a guttural voice.
Speaker 2: Jean would also claim that Robert was responsible for various
Speaker 2: mischievous acts around the house. Today, Robert resides at the
Speaker 2: Fort East Martello Museum in Key West, Florida. Robert the
Speaker 2: Doll does. Visitors who have taken their picture with Robert
Speaker 2: without asking permission, and those who have made fun of
Speaker 2: the doll have later reported having terrible bouts of bad luck.
Speaker 2: Robert even receives letters from past visitors asking him for forgiveness.
Speaker 3: Whoa creepy what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Yes, real shit, Okay, and it's in Florida
Speaker 2: and flo Rida Yep, damn.
Speaker 3: Florida may be doing that wildest they they do be.
Speaker 2: So how about this one then? Phone number zero eight
Speaker 2: eight eight eight eight eight eight eight eight Yeah, like.
Speaker 3: A law firm number somewhere or something. I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: Well. The allegedly cursed phone number of all eights was
Speaker 2: disconnected after three owners of the number died within a decade.
Speaker 2: The original owner, who happened to own a phone company,
Speaker 2: passed from cancer, although some rumors claim that the viral
Speaker 2: or that a rival gave him radioactive poisoning. The number
Speaker 2: was then passed down to two different men involved in
Speaker 2: the mafia, who were later gunned down on business trips.
Speaker 2: The number was subsequently taken out of surface service, and
Speaker 2: when people curious about the legend called it, they received
Speaker 2: a message that the number was in quotes outside network coverage.
Speaker 2: Do with that as you will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would think that like a six' six to
Speaker 3: six number associated with all of these things would be but, eights, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: Alright there's a cult symbolism to the eighth, though isn't.
Speaker 3: It it's like the infinity, symbol the, Snake idiot's tale.
Speaker 2: Boros, yeah, yeah, okay there could be SOMETHING i don't.
Speaker 2: Know the next one Is Thomas busby's. Chair So Thomas
Speaker 2: busby was executed in seventeen oh two after murdering his
Speaker 2: father in law and another man In North, Yorkshire. England
Speaker 2: according to the, Legend busby said before his, execution in,
Speaker 2: quotes made death come to anyone who dare sit in my.
Speaker 2: Chair what a weird thing to. Say After busby's, death
Speaker 2: multiple reports arose of people dying or meeting some other
Speaker 2: tragedy after sitting in the cursed. Chair one man was
Speaker 2: found hanging outside The busby stoop in like a hotel
Speaker 2: of sorts after sitting in the, chair and soldiers who
Speaker 2: sat in the chair During World war two Uh World
Speaker 2: war two are said to have not made it back home.
Speaker 2: Alive the chair now hangs from a wall In England's Thirst,
Speaker 2: museum so that no one can accidentally cure or curse
Speaker 2: themselves by sitting in. It the museum also displays a
Speaker 2: plaque with stories on the chair's supposed.
Speaker 3: Victims what the, fuck, Dude, okay.
Speaker 2: Sure cursed? Objects the SHIT'S i? Mean call it. Superstition
Speaker 2: maybe there's something to.
Speaker 3: It, maybe, oh this. One Fucking.
Speaker 2: Annabelle, Annabelle, yes annabel the. Doll fans of horror, films No,
Speaker 2: annabelle the haunted doll from The conjuring, Franchise but the
Speaker 2: Real annabelle is a seemingly, harmless raggedy an. Doll according
Speaker 2: to Demonologists ed and The Rain, warren annabel is possessed
Speaker 2: by a demonic energy that attempted to kill its previous
Speaker 2: owners after taking annabel into their. Custody The warrens claim
Speaker 2: that people who made fun of the doll while visiting
Speaker 2: The Occult museum were met with some sort of. Misfortune
Speaker 2: one man reported even reportedly even crashed his motorcycle after Provoking.
Speaker 2: Annabelle in twenty, twenty rumors that annabel had escaped from
Speaker 2: her glass case at The Warren's, museum inspired multiple videos
Speaker 2: on TikTok proving the doll still has a loyal. Following, so,
Speaker 2: like here's an. Idea why don't earn that, motherfucker, dude.
Speaker 3: Or in case an in cement and throw it in
Speaker 3: the bottom of the Tams river or or any, pond
Speaker 3: any ocean like the chair as. Well why why keep?
Speaker 3: It what is the issue?
Speaker 2: HERE I i don't, know, DUDE i don't know why
Speaker 2: you'd keep this.
Speaker 3: Thing same. Thing, Like, yo you're In. Florida just fucking Let, florida,
Speaker 3: man take that bitch and go to the to The
Speaker 3: bayou with The everglades and just fucking torch it or
Speaker 3: put it in the bottom of a, Waterway, like what
Speaker 3: is the problem?
Speaker 2: Here some people just love the, spooky you. Know some
Speaker 2: people just want to keep on attaching themselves to. It
Speaker 2: how about The Delphi is It delphi Or?
Speaker 3: Delphi i've heard it both, ways so you, know dealer's, Choice.
Speaker 2: Okay The Delphi purple, sapphire also known as The Cursed.
Speaker 2: Amethyst The Delphi purple sapphire was stolen from The temple
Speaker 2: Of indra in eighteen fifty seven and brought To england
Speaker 2: By COLONEL. W, ferriss who quickly lost his fortune in.
Speaker 2: Health his son supposedly encountered the same bad, look and
Speaker 2: a friend took his own life after coming in contact
Speaker 2: with the. Gem after, that seemingly everyone who came in
Speaker 2: contact with The Delphi Purple sapphire met some sort of,
Speaker 2: misfortune such as a singer who lost her voice after
Speaker 2: acquiring the. Stone The Delphi Purple sapphire has been on
Speaker 2: display At London's Natural History museum since two thousand and,
Speaker 2: seven and the curator who acquired the gem noted that
Speaker 2: he ran into a terrible storm while it was in his. Car,
Speaker 2: okay all, right then it brings up the crying boy.
Speaker 2: Painting of. Course how About Anna baker's wedding.
Speaker 3: Dress let's learn a little bit about this.
Speaker 2: One so it does have so it's in another language up,
Speaker 2: here Maybe, indian but the translation says unrestored. Love the
Speaker 2: girl's spirit haunts this wedding, dress causing this dress to
Speaker 2: move on its. Own all. Right so the Historic Baker
Speaker 2: mansion In, Altoona pennsylvania shout out is known for a
Speaker 2: number of, hauntings but its primary claim to fame is
Speaker 2: the cursed dress Of Anna. Baker according to, Legend anna
Speaker 2: purchased the dress after agreeing to, marry but her father
Speaker 2: forbade the. Union after swearing to never. Wed anna was
Speaker 2: said to dance around the mansion in her wedding, dress
Speaker 2: and some believe that the dress still moves around in
Speaker 2: its glass case as if someone were dancing in.
Speaker 3: It that would freak me.
Speaker 2: Out fuck that, shit.
Speaker 3: Dude orchid.
Speaker 2: Torture here's another, one The bassano. Vase. Dude that's What i'm. Saying,
Speaker 2: like it's not just one or two, things so many
Speaker 2: things are allegedly cursed here Right like it's you can
Speaker 2: you make your own ideas about what's actually going on.
Speaker 2: Here maybe people are just trying to get, famous or
Speaker 2: people just want to have tourist attractions that kind of.
Speaker 2: Thing BUT i do think that things can be, Cursed
Speaker 2: like just on the. Surface do you think that a
Speaker 2: thing can be? Cursed jacob or?
Speaker 3: Sure, absolutely matter of. FACT i Have i'm not saying
Speaker 3: a little bit of experience with that one. Myself you,
Speaker 3: KNOW i have my story of a demon that, was you,
Speaker 3: know associated with me at one point in. Time but
Speaker 3: as far as cursed objects goes so, WELL i don't
Speaker 3: know IF i should tell that story now or at
Speaker 3: the end of this, list, Honestly.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah whenever you.
Speaker 3: WANT i, mean it's it's not Like i'm scared of
Speaker 3: it by any. Means it was WHILE i was in
Speaker 3: The Marine. Corps you, know we'll take a second and
Speaker 3: talk about it, now let's. Go, so there was an
Speaker 3: abandoned children's insane asylum right that was In. MARYLAND i
Speaker 3: was stationed IN, dc and for some, reason this was
Speaker 3: like a well known, thing at least to us at the,
Speaker 3: time because one of the, guys actually a few of
Speaker 3: the guys that was stationed with me were like From,
Speaker 3: maryland so they knew of this place's, existence and it
Speaker 3: was forbidden to go, To like the cops were fought watching.
Speaker 3: It and they actually had some sort of a military
Speaker 3: installation right outside of. It NOW i don't know if
Speaker 3: it was A National guard units like headquarters and that's
Speaker 3: what it was or what was, up but this building
Speaker 3: had ten foot tall barbed wire fences and spotlights on
Speaker 3: it during the, night like they did not want anyone
Speaker 3: going in, here and it was they had roaming patrols
Speaker 3: around the fence every, hour so like secure location kind
Speaker 3: of things, here and no one knew why it's. Abandoned
Speaker 3: it's run, down like there's nothing going on there to this,
Speaker 3: day and it's not anything like. That so the story was, that,
Speaker 3: oh it's so, haunted they're not allowing anybody to go. There,
Speaker 3: okay all, Right, well obviously a bunch of, dumb half
Speaker 3: drunk twenty year old night you, know marine infantrymen are
Speaker 3: clearly gonna go see what's going down. Here so they
Speaker 3: invited pretty much anybody that wanted to. GO i did,
Speaker 3: not because why WOULD i provoke the dark. Side but you,
Speaker 3: know some of these guys who are not of any
Speaker 3: faith or religion or, like, ah fuck all, that we'll
Speaker 3: go see what's. Up so they, went AND i saw
Speaker 3: pictures of the place when they got, back and they
Speaker 3: even have. Videos they had to, like, uh you, know
Speaker 3: evade the roaming patrols and. Stuff they were like duck
Speaker 3: down as you can see these dudes of flashlights kind
Speaker 3: of walking the perimeter of the fence and all, this
Speaker 3: and they had to like park their car five miles
Speaker 3: in the woods because it's not like on the main.
Speaker 3: Highway it's off the beaten, path off of a beaten.
Speaker 3: Path so you have to go off the main, road
Speaker 3: park your car and, LIKE i, guess pretend like you
Speaker 3: have engine trouble while your boys go run through the
Speaker 3: woods to get to this. Place the whole. Thing the
Speaker 3: whole time they're running through the, woods they hear, screams
Speaker 3: but like not attributed to. Anything they it's you know
Speaker 3: how it is you and your guys are in the
Speaker 3: woods at, night and you're, like what was? That and
Speaker 3: then one guy takes off run and so everybody takes
Speaker 3: off runt of everybody's, like, ah, whatever, Okay so but
Speaker 3: they all can at least attest to the they heard.
Speaker 3: Stuff was its, screams wasn't the wind? Whatever they all
Speaker 3: said it was, Screams and with the rest of the,
Speaker 3: STORY i kind of tend to believe. That but, anyway
Speaker 3: they get to the building and there's like a complex of,
Speaker 3: them the main sanatorium slash, dormitorium slash whoever you want
Speaker 3: to call. It there was a couple like administrative buildings
Speaker 3: around the, spot but the main building where, like, uh
Speaker 3: the children were housed and where they did their therapy quote,
Speaker 3: unquote if you even want to fucking call it, that
Speaker 3: because the reason this place got shut down was for unethical,
Speaker 3: practices and it got shut down back in the days
Speaker 3: when the botomies were like cutting edge. Technology so what
Speaker 3: the actual fuck went down at this place to such
Speaker 3: a degree that they had to shut it down when
Speaker 3: they were fine electroshock therapying women and lobotomizing all of.
Speaker 3: This whatever was going down here was so bad that
Speaker 3: even they were, like, hey, bro, hey we're not doing.
Speaker 3: That we're just shutting it down. Now SO i can
Speaker 3: only assume the absolute worst of what the human imagination can't, imagine,
Speaker 3: right but neither here nor. There so they go in
Speaker 3: and then they get pictures and all the. Stuff they
Speaker 3: see rooms where there's chair set up like looking like
Speaker 3: somebody was just, there and like the whole place like
Speaker 3: the paint is getting like stripped off the, walls the
Speaker 3: roof is caving in in certain. Places it's. Dilapidated, Right
Speaker 3: and then these dumb motherfuckers decided to start taking back.
Speaker 3: Things one of them took back like a small record,
Speaker 3: player one of them took back like a. Toy there
Speaker 3: was like four or five items that were floating around
Speaker 3: The Alpha company barracks for a minute until half the
Speaker 3: fucking company all started having the exact same nightmare for like,
Speaker 3: months and so they got rid of the, shit because
Speaker 3: at that, point it's, like, yeah we might have brought
Speaker 3: a curse back with. Us so they got rid of the.
Speaker 3: STUFF i think half of them threw it in The
Speaker 3: Potomac river AND i think the other half burned, them
Speaker 3: but whatever the case, was and, yeah that's the thing
Speaker 3: that happened once upon a. TIME i wasn't living at
Speaker 3: the barracks at that, time SO i wasn't really like
Speaker 3: worried about, it BUT i was, like y'all are, Dumb
Speaker 3: like y'all, really, YEAH i know THE i don't believe
Speaker 3: in all of, that but, like, No i'm not saying.
Speaker 3: THAT i was saying it at, them all. Right if
Speaker 3: people Think i'm A bible, thumper, now good, god you
Speaker 3: would have hated me back. Then AND i was just, like,
Speaker 3: SO i, know, y'all like don't believe in, that but
Speaker 3: do you believe that half of the, company somewhere around
Speaker 3: eighty men are having the exact same nightmare about a
Speaker 3: shadowy figure that's pinning them down in the, sleep paralysis
Speaker 3: and all of that almost four times a, week like
Speaker 3: over half of a, week you would have these, nightmares.
Speaker 3: Y'all don't think that y'all had anything to do with. That, No,
Speaker 3: no that wasn't. Us i'm, like, then what the fuck was?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 3: Dude then what you tell? Me what's going on? Here
Speaker 3: so as soon as they got rid of, it shockingly,
Speaker 3: enough all the nightmares went.
Speaker 2: Away that's real, shit, Dude and that's a true story
Speaker 2: of fuck around and then find.
Speaker 3: Out thankfully they got rid of, it if somebody got,
Speaker 3: hurt but, like, yeah it's BUT i, mean to be,
Speaker 3: fair the barracks was also kind of. Haunted you had
Speaker 3: a couple of suicides back in the, day you. Had
Speaker 3: the building itself had been occupied since eighteen, twelve SO i, mean,
Speaker 3: yeah or eighteen oh, nine MAYBE i forget it. Was
Speaker 3: it's the oldest occupied residence In, WASHINGTON D. C in
Speaker 3: The war of eighteen twelve right eighteen, fourteen The british
Speaker 3: came and BURNED dc to the, ground all except For
Speaker 3: Marine Barracks, washington because they actually occupied it and used
Speaker 3: it as their barracks while they were. There so technically,
Speaker 3: speaking it is the oldest residence In, washington D. C
Speaker 3: so with an old building like, that especially in a
Speaker 3: historic and occult city like, that you're gonna have ghost,
Speaker 3: stories you're gonna have. THINGS i personally never experienced, it
Speaker 3: but a lot of guys THAT i served with experienced
Speaker 3: versions of ghost, stories spirit, stories. Whatever nothing demonic until
Speaker 3: those dumbasses went to the fucking children's Insane asylum and
Speaker 3: brought shit. Back but, yeah that's that's a.
Speaker 2: Thing so you not believing in? Ghosts what do you
Speaker 2: mean by? Haunted, like whenever you say, haunted what does
Speaker 2: that what does that calculate to in your?
Speaker 3: Mind? Well usually? Demonic, Right and that's just me with
Speaker 3: my own personal. Thing i'm not saying that there's a
Speaker 3: zero percent chance that ghosties are not. Real, okay it's
Speaker 3: just per my, understanding and, again very, limited very, human
Speaker 3: very jacob biased, understanding And i'll give that credence. HERE
Speaker 3: i don't see a purpose to it or a method
Speaker 3: to how that would. BE i believe that demons may
Speaker 3: present themselves in a familiar, way so like and that
Speaker 3: with my demon. Story as a matter of, fact my
Speaker 3: demon presented itself to me as my grandmother who had just,
Speaker 3: Passed so as a, child not knowing, Anything i'm thinking
Speaker 3: that's the spirit or the ghost of my. Grandmother cool,
Speaker 3: cool cool until it wasn't. Right and so most of
Speaker 3: these and again that's only my. STORY i get. It
Speaker 3: there's a million stories and a million different. Nuances but
Speaker 3: per What i've learned and WHAT i understand about how
Speaker 3: that works once we, die it wouldn't make sense to
Speaker 3: me that a soul gets trapped and like it's in
Speaker 3: limbo or it's trying to get to the other side
Speaker 3: and it's torn into because of it or what. That
Speaker 3: that doesn't make sense based off of WHAT i. Know
Speaker 3: but AGAIN i don't know every single bit about how
Speaker 3: it all, works you know WHAT i. Mean that's it's
Speaker 3: just my own little. Perspective but for, instance one of my, Buddies,
Speaker 3: stebbing who got that dude he went off to the
Speaker 3: winds that he is a fed like for, Real he
Speaker 3: got out of The Marine, corps he joined some three
Speaker 3: letter agency and no one has heard from him in
Speaker 3: like a, decade so like real, shit he's doing Gangster
Speaker 3: James bond shit right now most. Likely but, anyway he
Speaker 3: was asleep one night and he woke up having a
Speaker 3: kid like pulling at his bed and giggling and, shit
Speaker 3: and he kicked at, him like what the? Fuck he
Speaker 3: turned the lights, on it was. Gone kind of freaked
Speaker 3: out a little, bit but like whatever thing's, HAPPENED i,
Speaker 3: guess and he went back to. Bed he woke up
Speaker 3: and the next morning. Sour the way our sinks were laid,
Speaker 3: out it was like two sinks in one big. Mirror,
Speaker 3: Right it was like two man to a room kind of.
Speaker 3: Thing his side of the, sink not his, roommates his
Speaker 3: side eye. Level this guy was six,' four so like
Speaker 3: high up there had a child's handprint. On it, What.
Speaker 2: Yeah oh, my god that one freak me the. Fuck
Speaker 2: out there's, another experience My.
Speaker 3: Boy kennedy we actually had him on the show once upon,
Speaker 3: a time but like something happened with the audio in
Speaker 3: that episode never made. Its air he got woken up
Speaker 3: with some sort of like a glowing light in the
Speaker 3: middle of, his room and like whatever, it was he
Speaker 3: kind of knew that it was looking, at him but,
Speaker 3: like whatever he was really drunk and uh so he
Speaker 3: just kind of had the foresight to grab his cell
Speaker 3: phone and snap a picture of it real quick and
Speaker 3: just kind of roll over and went back. To bed the,
Speaker 3: next morning looking at, the picture you can clearly see
Speaker 3: a man wearing, a suit like you could see, the
Speaker 3: lapels you could see the frills on, the shirt you
Speaker 3: could see the. Cuff. Links like it's clearly a man
Speaker 3: in a more dapper attire standing there looking at him in.
Speaker 3: His bed but it didn't look scari. Or ominous but
Speaker 3: it's clearly something of a. Spiritual nature and this is
Speaker 3: before anybody was really good WITH the ai and the
Speaker 3: photoshop and. All this that. WAS shit i think that
Speaker 3: happened somewhere probably early, twenty Eleven some slenderman.
Speaker 2: Type shit.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like so tall that it looked Like. Slender
Speaker 3: man IT was i, would say probably like a average,
Speaker 3: sized gentleman. You, KNOW so i mean there was a
Speaker 3: million stories and that was just in. My platoon my
Speaker 3: deck we had it was a five. Story building we
Speaker 3: lived on the. Second STORY so i mean everybody had
Speaker 3: their own stories, about things and that Was Just, Alpha
Speaker 3: company bravo had their own set of situations. AND things,
Speaker 3: i mean there's there's all kinds, of it especially in.
Speaker 3: Older buildings, but yeah in my, Personal belief i'm not
Speaker 3: saying zero percent that those were the trapped souls of
Speaker 3: a living person that hasn't crossed over or something. Like
Speaker 3: that it makes more sense to me that that would
Speaker 3: be some sort of a demonic entity that is trying
Speaker 3: to portray itself in the form of, a child the
Speaker 3: form of a man in, a suit or whatever the case,
Speaker 3: may be as a way to not instantly, instill fear
Speaker 3: maybe instill alertness in, some way shape. Or form but like,
Speaker 3: situation dictates.
Speaker 2: Very, well well that's curse shit is definitely going on
Speaker 2: demonic stuff. For sure, the ghost, you know whatever. YOU think,
Speaker 2: I mean i have personally never witnessed seeing a ghost
Speaker 2: or anything, like THAT but i have had people that
Speaker 2: slept over. My house like, you know whenever you're in
Speaker 2: high school or, middle school you always have friends, sleeping
Speaker 2: over you sleep over there. Or whatever and as a matter,
Speaker 2: of fact the house that we lived In, in LOUISIANA
Speaker 2: so i was like a junior at, THE time i
Speaker 2: had my. Best friend he was sleeping, over right and
Speaker 2: you know, my bed, you know it's you don't want
Speaker 2: to be gay with it. Or whatever so we always
Speaker 2: thought it was kind of gay for two dudes to
Speaker 2: sleep in the. Same room so he would sleep in
Speaker 2: the living room or what we call the media room
Speaker 2: because we had two living rooms in, that house and
Speaker 2: he would sleep in the. Media room well. In there
Speaker 2: he said every night that he, slept over it was
Speaker 2: like three. Straight times every time he, slept over he
Speaker 2: always heard footsteps and nobody was. Up there everybody, was
Speaker 2: asleep and he was kind of just up there, by,
Speaker 2: Himself right but he was always hearing footsteps on the
Speaker 2: floor in the room that he was, Staying IN and
Speaker 2: i thought it was kind. OF silly i, was, like
Speaker 2: dude this house. Ain't haunted this house is like it
Speaker 2: was only like ten years old at, the time. You
Speaker 2: know but then you get, into, like well does it
Speaker 2: have something to do with. The grounds could somebody maybe
Speaker 2: have brought some kind of evil spirit? In there you
Speaker 2: never know kind. Of situation, but, yeah dude, like people
Speaker 2: people experience. Weird shit maybe, they're demons maybe they're, lost
Speaker 2: souls maybe they're just fucking. Energy somethings, nobody, Knows, Right
Speaker 2: yeah but talking going back into the, cursed objects there's
Speaker 2: another one Called the. Basano vase while the origins Of
Speaker 2: the basana vase, are vague the most common story claims
Speaker 2: that a bride received the vase as, a gift then
Speaker 2: died on her wedding night while clutching it in. Her
Speaker 2: arms the bride vowed revenge when, she died and in
Speaker 2: subsequent family members began dying after taking possession of. The
Speaker 2: Vase the bazano vase vanished from the public eye until
Speaker 2: it was sold at an auction for four. Million lyra
Speaker 2: what country? Has? Lyra?
Speaker 3: Lira? Lyra CLEAR and i think that might Be a, Italian, currency.
Speaker 2: Okay but that was in nineteen. Eighty eight the man
Speaker 2: who bought the vase reportedly died, soon after and when
Speaker 2: a doctor purchased, the vase he died three. Months later,
Speaker 2: in fact three months seems to be about as long
Speaker 2: as anyone can possess the face before succumbing to its
Speaker 2: Supposed cursed the fate in current location of the vase,
Speaker 2: remains unknown but it was allegedly placed in police custody
Speaker 2: after no one else. Wanted it what the hell?
Speaker 3: Did alright, oh wait so the wife dies on her,
Speaker 3: wedding night which, that sucks, you know for, multiple reasons clutching,
Speaker 3: this vase which is, also like. That's weird it was a,
Speaker 3: WEDDING gift i, get it, but like that's NOT what
Speaker 3: i thought you'd be clutching on your. Wedding night, but,
Speaker 3: like okay whatever do you but uh and your. Vowing
Speaker 3: Revenge so i'm is, this like is there some sort
Speaker 3: of foul play here or she just KIND of i
Speaker 3: don't know what to make.
Speaker 2: Of that it could be like a vase of ashes,
Speaker 2: or something, you know like. An urn it kind of.
Speaker 3: Looks, ernish dude if you give somebody an earn on their,
Speaker 3: wedding day you're a dick of the. Highest order, holy shit.
Speaker 2: That could be your long lost dad soul in this vase.
Speaker 2: OR something i. DON'T know, I mean i'm not saying
Speaker 2: that it absolutely wasn't earned by. Any means i'm just
Speaker 2: trying to imagine what it, could be, you know why
Speaker 2: it is. So important maybe it was a family heirloom
Speaker 2: that could have, Been, it like maybe it was just
Speaker 2: handed down and maybe she loved it as a. Little girl,
Speaker 2: you know her grandfather always bought the grandmother fucking flowers
Speaker 2: and put it in. This vase it was the, grandmother's
Speaker 2: vase and the grandmother passes it down as a. Wedding gift,
Speaker 2: that's possible, you.
Speaker 3: Know maybe it had like a gypsy curse associated, with
Speaker 3: it or some shit.
Speaker 2: Or, jewish ooh abolistic. Curse, dog hey. ANYTHING'S possible i,
Speaker 2: suppose really so that Was the. Bassano vase? Another one
Speaker 2: How About James's James dean's porsche Called The.
Speaker 3: Little bastard i've heard, of THIS but i didn't know
Speaker 3: much about.
Speaker 2: The, story dude that's like a full on speed. Racer,
Speaker 2: car yeah, fucking awesome but it says While Filming rebel
Speaker 2: Without a cause in nineteen, Fifty Five james dean purchased
Speaker 2: his Now infamous porsche five Point, fifty spider which He Dubbed.
Speaker 2: Little bastard on his way to. A race one, Week
Speaker 2: later dean was driving roughly eighty five miles an hour
Speaker 2: when he hit another car and was. Killed instantly just a,
Speaker 2: week Prior Actor alec guinness claimed that he Had seen
Speaker 2: dean's car and had a premonition about. An Incident following
Speaker 2: dean's untimely and, tragic death his car gained an almost
Speaker 2: instantaneous reputation for being cursed after. The crash the, car's,
Speaker 2: engine transmission and suspension system were put in two different,
Speaker 2: race cars both of which crashed in the same Race
Speaker 2: on maybe one of the. Drivers survived tires From the
Speaker 2: porsche also blew out after being placed on, another car
Speaker 2: and the car fell on two different people while being exhibited.
Speaker 2: And serviced the car eventually disappeared in nineteen sixty and
Speaker 2: hasn't been. SEEN, SINCE whoa i didn't know.
Speaker 3: That some famous, or famous some rich collector bought that
Speaker 3: thing and it's probably never. Driving it but it's just
Speaker 3: like that's a part that's a, talking piece. YOU know,
Speaker 3: i mean that's like In A jay leto's.
Speaker 2: Garage or, some shit, you, know PROBABLY but i mean
Speaker 2: for everybody to experience that kind, of fate. That's strange
Speaker 2: eithery're taking different parts of it and putting it on
Speaker 2: other cars than those cars crashed in the same race
Speaker 2: that they're. Racing in the people to go to work
Speaker 2: on it have the fucking car fall. On them, it's
Speaker 2: like what is going on with? THIS thing i guess
Speaker 2: maybe it just didn't like. Its name nobody wants to
Speaker 2: be called a. Little bastard, What's that.
Speaker 3: Steve McQueen, you, Said Yeah, James Dean, james dean, excuse me.
Speaker 2: Damn, dude, yeah dude.
Speaker 3: FUCKING wild i Didn't Think james dean had any kind
Speaker 3: of controversy around him. Like this but that's a, Fun,
Speaker 3: one okay he do?
Speaker 2: He do so, there's dude there's so many of these
Speaker 2: stories and we're not going to read, them ALL but
Speaker 2: i do want to read this, Last One The. Dipiic
Speaker 2: box you ever heard of one? Of these It's a jewish,
Speaker 2: thing actually because we're it's funny that we even. Mentioned
Speaker 2: That the so the story Of The dipic box begins
Speaker 2: in two thousand, and one when a man purchased it
Speaker 2: at a yard sale and began experiencing paranormal activity in.
Speaker 2: His home he ended up selling the Box on eBay
Speaker 2: in two thousand, and three and soon after, the sale
Speaker 2: the buyer reportedly began experiencing choking sensations and nightmares of an,
Speaker 2: old hag among other. Terrifying Encounters The dipic box was
Speaker 2: eventually purchased by a, Paranormal Investigator, zach begins Who Filmed
Speaker 2: missed coming out Of the box in. Twenty twenty even
Speaker 2: Rapper post malone says that he experienced a string of
Speaker 2: bad luck after coming in contact with the Box At.
Speaker 2: Baggins MUSEUM so i was doing on, this, One dude
Speaker 2: posty waded on it AND so i was looking, into
Speaker 2: it and, this, is uh basically like a little, liquor
Speaker 2: cabinet like you'd put your glasses in your in your
Speaker 2: liquor bottles inside of this, little cabinet which you know
Speaker 2: you think about alcohol and. The spirits, there's, Alcool right
Speaker 2: AND so i mean some say that there, it well
Speaker 2: and It's a. Jewish thing you can see like The
Speaker 2: the hebrew letters or whatever the fuck that is. In
Speaker 2: there but FROM whatever i was doing a little bit bit,
Speaker 2: of research it seemed to be Mainly a jewish kind.
Speaker 2: Of thing and, uh yeah, fucking, Weird right, so yeah the,
Speaker 2: dippig box strange thing that's going on. Right There post
Speaker 2: malone weighs in, On it, it's, like whoa what? The hell,
Speaker 2: and SO like, i said there's so many other. Cursed
Speaker 2: objects there's another one Called the Women of, lem Statue
Speaker 2: The hope diamond.
Speaker 3: About The hope. Diamond curse i'm actually, seen, That bro
Speaker 3: and it was At the SMITHSONIAN when i was LIVING.
Speaker 3: In Dc The hope diamond was on. Display there things.
Speaker 3: Fucking huge oh we can.
Speaker 2: Read it then it says the Forty Five hope diamond Originated,
Speaker 2: in india where it was supposedly stolen by a priest
Speaker 2: who was put to death for. His crime the diamond
Speaker 2: was eventually Purchased By king louis the fourteenth in sixteen,
Speaker 2: forty two but the merchant who sold it to him
Speaker 2: was soon mauled to death by a pack. Of, dogs,
Speaker 2: fuck dude that's got to be one of the worst
Speaker 2: ways to go is to be mauled. TO death i
Speaker 2: can't imagine that being an easier. GOOD one, I mean.
Speaker 3: I who's, to say right if drowning's worse or burning's
Speaker 3: worse or getting mauled to death by a. Wild animal
Speaker 3: but like, you know there's just not, good. Ways man. Holy.
Speaker 2: Shit yeah so the diamond was stolen During The french
Speaker 2: revolution and disappeared. For decades when it reappeared in the,
Speaker 2: eighteen Hundreds The hope diamond was blamed for a number,
Speaker 2: of misfortunes, including, murder suicide loss, of fortune and. Other
Speaker 2: tragedies some even Claim That marie antoinette's death can be
Speaker 2: linked to her possession Of The.
Speaker 3: Hope diamond i'm pretty sure it would have been associated
Speaker 3: with the, you know link to, the guillotine but, all
Speaker 3: right maybe maybe you.
Speaker 2: Never, know uh. There's this remember we talked about the
Speaker 2: other artists that also. Depicted kids and then there was
Speaker 2: this little boy standing next to the little, doll there and,
Speaker 2: you know on, the surface, you're like, all right that's kind.
Speaker 2: Of weird why is this little? Boy staring and then
Speaker 2: you got this, Little doll but then you see all
Speaker 2: the little hands behind the glass which.
Speaker 3: Make it they wear. The hands, but yeah look.
Speaker 2: At that that is. Fucking creepy so they say that
Speaker 2: this painting is. Also, haunted.
Speaker 3: Okay is it house fire style haunted or like people?
Speaker 2: Die haunted SO and I, think, i, actually yeah this
Speaker 2: Is Called The Hands? Resist them AND so i do
Speaker 2: have an article over here that does get into it
Speaker 2: a little bit more. In, depth actually we could read
Speaker 2: this ONE since i was going to read, it anyway
Speaker 2: instead of just that short little excerpt, of it because
Speaker 2: that's only what like a paragraph or paragraph and a half.
Speaker 2: Or whatever but it, resists, him okay the hands. Resist
Speaker 2: him it was painted in nineteen seventy Two By, bill
Speaker 2: stoneham also known As The eBay. Haunted, Painting okay So
Speaker 2: The Hands resist him is a painting that was created
Speaker 2: By Artists bill stoneham in nineteen Seventy two it depicts
Speaker 2: a young boy and a female doll standing in front
Speaker 2: of a glass panel door against which many hands. Are
Speaker 2: pressed According, to stoneham the boy is based on a
Speaker 2: photograph of himself at. Age five the doorway is a
Speaker 2: representation of the dividing line between the waking world and
Speaker 2: the world of fantasy, and impossibilities while the doll is
Speaker 2: a guide that will escort the boy. Through it the
Speaker 2: titular hands represent alternative lives. Or possibilities the painting became
Speaker 2: the subject of an urban legend in a viral internet
Speaker 2: Meme in february of two thousand and when it was
Speaker 2: posted on posted for Sale, on eBay along with a
Speaker 2: description implying that it. Was haunted so the history. Of
Speaker 2: it the painting was first displayed At The Fine garden
Speaker 2: Gallery In beverly hills during the early. NINETEEN seventies a
Speaker 2: One man stoneham show at the gallery which included, the
Speaker 2: piece was reviewed by the art critic At The Los
Speaker 2: Angeles Time Los. Angeles times during, the show the painting
Speaker 2: was purchased By Actor, john marley notable for his Role
Speaker 2: As jack Waltz In. The godfather some Time after, marley's
Speaker 2: death the painting was found at the site of an
Speaker 2: old brewery by An elderly, californian couple as stated in
Speaker 2: Their original. eBay listing the painting appeared on the Auction
Speaker 2: website eBay in february. Two thousand according to, the seller
Speaker 2: the aforementioned couple the painting the painting carried some form.
Speaker 2: Of Curse their eBay description made a series of claims
Speaker 2: that the painting was cursed. Or haunted including in those
Speaker 2: claims were that the characters in the painting moved during,
Speaker 2: the night and that they would sometimes leave the painting
Speaker 2: and enter the room in which it was. BEING displayed whoa?
Speaker 2: All right also included in the listing were a series
Speaker 2: of photographs that were said to be evidence of an
Speaker 2: incident in which the female doll character threatened the male
Speaker 2: character with a gun that she, was holding causing him
Speaker 2: to attempt to leave. The painting what?
Speaker 3: The fuck the doll character threatened the owner of the
Speaker 3: painting with a gun.
Speaker 2: Carried threatened the little boy in, the painting threatening him
Speaker 2: to leave. The, painting interesting it's like a whole dimensional kind. Of, thing,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah he was, the painter, but yeah the actual
Speaker 2: painting of him was being threatened to leave the painting
Speaker 2: so that she could have the painting all to herself
Speaker 2: in THAT dimension i. Guess, so yeah that's. Fucking weird
Speaker 2: also included with the listing where a series. Of photographs,
Speaker 2: OH yeah i just. READ that a disclaimer was included with,
Speaker 2: the listing absolving the seller from all liability if the painting.
Speaker 2: Was purchased news of the listing was quickly Spread by,
Speaker 2: internet users who forwarded the link to their friends or
Speaker 2: wrote their own passages. About it some people claim that
Speaker 2: simply that by simply viewing the photos of the painting
Speaker 2: made them feel ill or have. Unpleasant, experiences eventually the
Speaker 2: auction page was viewed over thirty. Thousand times after an
Speaker 2: initial bid of one hundred and ninety, nine dollars the
Speaker 2: painting eventually received thirty bids and sold for oney twenty.
Speaker 2: Five dollars, The Buyer perception Gallery And, Grand, rapids michigan
Speaker 2: Eventually Contacted bill stoneham and related the unusual story of
Speaker 2: its Auction on eBay and their acquisition. Of it he
Speaker 2: reported being quite surprised by all the stories and strange
Speaker 2: interpretations of the images and. The painting according to, the
Speaker 2: artists the object presumed by the eBay sellers to be
Speaker 2: a gun is actually nothing more than a dry cell
Speaker 2: battery in a tangle. Of wires so where was that?
Speaker 2: Over here so you can see it? Right here SOME
Speaker 2: people i guess thought that It was let me try
Speaker 2: and zoom in. On that SOME people i guess were
Speaker 2: presuming that it was. A gun, but yeah you can
Speaker 2: tell that it's some kind of canister or battery or something.
Speaker 3: Like. THAT something, i mean it's still, weird looking, but
Speaker 3: like why would it all be holding some sort of
Speaker 3: a weird object with a bundle of wires and? Whatever
Speaker 3: else like that's is that a ray gun?
Speaker 2: COULD be i. Don't, know well how? About This so
Speaker 2: stoneham recalls that both the owner of the gallery in
Speaker 2: which the painting was first displayed and the art critic
Speaker 2: who reviewed it died within one year of coming in
Speaker 2: contact with. The painting, Whoa dude That's what, I'm, saying like,
Speaker 2: you know there's something too.
Speaker 3: That was shocked, About this like or was that? A
Speaker 3: lie was he actually a dabbler in the occult and
Speaker 3: he put all that that bad juju on this painting and,
Speaker 3: he's like oh these.
Speaker 2: People died, oh dude this this guy is literally depicting
Speaker 2: like lifetime and dimensions within this painting that all of
Speaker 2: those old hands are past lives or other lives that,
Speaker 2: you know we're existing in another time that are still
Speaker 2: there at, least. Perceptibly right and then you got the
Speaker 2: little doll there who is his guide to be able
Speaker 2: to guide him throughout this life and all the. Other
Speaker 2: lives so it's clearly like an. Occultic, thing yeah and
Speaker 2: then and then you got, the windows, the window. Window
Speaker 2: glass all that shit is. Very occultic. You know there's
Speaker 2: a lot of magic that you can do in front of.
Speaker 2: A mirror that's why they, Say that like if you
Speaker 2: ever have a mirror hanging in, your, bedroom like first,
Speaker 2: of all, you shouldn't, and, secondly uh you never want
Speaker 2: it pointing to at like pointing at your bed because.
Speaker 3: That in pretty much Every room i've ever.
Speaker 2: Lived in, Why, uh well because things or objects or
Speaker 2: demons or spirits or something like that can enter in
Speaker 2: there through the. Mirror dimension that's what the. Lore, IS anyway,
Speaker 2: I MEAN i i back at Back in louisiana when,
Speaker 2: you know Me and luisa had, the trailer we had
Speaker 2: one pointing at. The bed AND then i learned, about
Speaker 2: THAT and i took that shit DOWN because i ain't
Speaker 2: about to fuck round and find out What.
Speaker 3: That, I'm okay i'd never heard. THAT before i personally
Speaker 3: kind of like having a mirror facing, The bed but
Speaker 3: that's that's.
Speaker 2: Just me you want it on, the ceiling you dirty fuck.
Speaker 3: You know at putting, One there but, it's like for what?
Speaker 3: Purpose realistically to? Watch, yourself, NO no i, get that
Speaker 3: but like for the Angles that, I'm at i'm not
Speaker 3: going to be looking up to. See myself like that
Speaker 3: does mean? NO good i mean.
Speaker 2: That's whatever so often the girl will get, on top
Speaker 2: you can be able to get a little. Decent, show
Speaker 2: YEAH but i could just.
Speaker 3: WATCH her i don't have to look up at the
Speaker 3: ceiling to see the out.
Speaker 2: Of, THEM well, i mean if you think, about it
Speaker 2: you're getting. Another angle so not to get too, descriptive
Speaker 2: here but if she's on top, of you you're not
Speaker 2: gonna be able to see, her, ass, right.
Speaker 3: Fair fair unless you have a mirror on the wall facing, the, bed.
Speaker 2: Mirror mirror on, the wall or magic mirror on. The
Speaker 2: wall who knows It's a, mandela effect, but, yeah yeah
Speaker 2: there's so many. Other ones The Terra, cotta Army, the Otzi.
Speaker 2: The iceman he.
Speaker 3: Was cursed what?
Speaker 2: The fuck Here's The myrtle's plantation MIRROR that i was bringing.
Speaker 3: Up, earlier, ah yes the. Famous MIRROR but i want
Speaker 3: to see what they say about it. REAL quick i
Speaker 3: might be off, Base.
Speaker 2: Here Okay The myrtle's Plantation In, Saint, francisville louisiana is
Speaker 2: considered one of the most haunted homes In The, united
Speaker 2: states with multiple sightings and photographs of supposed spirits backing up.
Speaker 2: THE claim a mirror in the home is thought to,
Speaker 2: be cursed and some believe it holds the spirits of
Speaker 2: a mother and her children who died in the home after.
Speaker 2: Being poisoned while the story's validity, is debated numerous witnesses
Speaker 2: have seen the woman and her children peering out of,
Speaker 2: the mirror and the child's handprint continuously reappears in one
Speaker 2: corner despite multiple cleanings. And, resilverings, ooh. OKAY spooky, i,
Speaker 2: mean look everybody has you know if you can debunk claims.
Speaker 2: ALL day i know that a lot, of people, not
Speaker 2: you but just anybody. In general we can, debunk claims
Speaker 2: we can. Debunk theories we can not believe. In superstition
Speaker 2: but the fact of the matter is the people that,
Speaker 2: experience this they, know it they. Believe it they, were,
Speaker 2: There right so like you can try and prove it
Speaker 2: six Ways, of sunday, that person you will never be
Speaker 2: able to take away. Their story they were there and,
Speaker 2: experienced it, You, know yeah.
Speaker 3: No DOUBT and, i, mean yeah that's the only the
Speaker 3: myrtles is ONE that i usually. Harp ONE but i
Speaker 3: mean that doesn't negate the other things that we're talking
Speaker 3: about here for.
Speaker 2: Sure, For sure and it also doesn't negate some of
Speaker 2: the people's testimonies that may have. Experienced, it yeah, Now,
Speaker 2: THERE yeah, i mean obviously there's going to be people that,
Speaker 2: are like come visit this haunted mansion so that we
Speaker 2: can collect, you know a couple hundred dollars a night
Speaker 2: or whatever it is to. Stay here that kind of shit. Obviously,
Speaker 2: happens yeah people are always gonna try and make money
Speaker 2: off of the haunted. TYPE shit, i mean think about
Speaker 2: all of the the the haunted tours that you can
Speaker 2: do Down In. New orleans i've actually never been.
Speaker 3: On one every it's it's not, worth it, IT'S honestly,
Speaker 3: i mean there are certain cool places that they'll show
Speaker 3: you that like usual tourist wouldn't have known about or something.
Speaker 3: Like THAT but, i mean there is so much history in.
Speaker 3: That town and it's like every three blocks you see
Speaker 3: another sign for a haunted ghost tour and, it's, like okay,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: What's the deal? With that uh that that, famous church
Speaker 2: that really nice like older looking church? Down there what's
Speaker 2: what's that one Called On. Jefferson, Square bro i've had
Speaker 2: so many dreams about, that Church and I'VE never I
Speaker 2: Think i've i've been in it, one time and, you
Speaker 2: know you go in there and you light a candle
Speaker 2: or some kind.
Speaker 4: Of.
Speaker 3: SHIT uh i literally did that. Last, month actually.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a fucking, awesome church like very Very
Speaker 2: like gothic almost very.
Speaker 3: Much, So right and it depends on if you believe
Speaker 3: the relax. Or what but it is the oldest cathedral
Speaker 3: in On the, american, continent right It Predates. America, tartaria
Speaker 3: no they they know when it, was built but it
Speaker 3: predates the founding of pre dates seventeen, Seventy six That's all.
Speaker 3: I'm saying which so is the City Of. New orleans but,
Speaker 3: uh yeah they had at least one POPE that i
Speaker 3: know of that visited it once upon. A time it's a,
Speaker 3: gorgeous place, gorgeous church the kind of the occult background
Speaker 3: to it. As Well, marie levau who for anybody who,
Speaker 3: doesn't know was the voodoo Queen Of new orleans during,
Speaker 3: her heyday and then when, she died, her daughter Also
Speaker 3: named Marie, le vaux took over. The mantle but they
Speaker 3: used to have voodoo ceremonies in. That cathedral they would
Speaker 3: literally Have mass sunday mornings and voodoo Ceremonies at sunday
Speaker 3: nights like that was a very common thing for a. Long.
Speaker 3: Time uh and by a LONG time i don't mean
Speaker 3: like they just stopped in, The eighties, like, no, no no.
Speaker 3: We're talking we're talking back in the. Day here but,
Speaker 3: uh yeah it's been used for all kinds of. Different.
Speaker 2: Ceremonies dude you know what's wild. Is That so i've
Speaker 2: been Living in texas for a little over a, year
Speaker 2: Now and i'm not. Gonna LIE whenever i was Living,
Speaker 2: in louisiana the thought of Going To new orleans just
Speaker 2: even to go To the, FRENCH market i, was, Like
Speaker 2: dude i've done it so many times like the lore is.
Speaker 2: Not there i've been there for So many marti GRASS
Speaker 2: that i never want to go To A marti. Gras
Speaker 2: again i've, Been there i've. Done that but Now that
Speaker 2: i've been here, A year, i'm like you, KNOW what
Speaker 2: i kind of have the itch to, go back like
Speaker 2: at least to go get some of those. Fucking, begnetes dude,
Speaker 2: SO delicious, i mean absolutely horrible. FOR you i mean it's,
Speaker 2: deep fried dough coded.
Speaker 3: And SUGAR but i don't see a bad. Part yet,
Speaker 3: but whatever, you know it's the same as. A doughnut
Speaker 3: it's equally. As bad, but, Yeah Dude new orleans is
Speaker 3: probably my second favorite City, On earth, and, LIKE yeah
Speaker 3: i know. It's dangerous you're gonna, Hear gunshots you're gonna
Speaker 3: see a person get stabbed. To death, like it it's
Speaker 3: a part. Of it it's a part, of it. You
Speaker 3: KNOW but i. LOVE it i absolutely love. The city
Speaker 3: your First, favorite paris which would be the Mother Of
Speaker 3: new orleans if we're gonna Get, TECHNICOL so, i, mean
Speaker 3: yeah have you Been? To, Paris yeah i've. Been twice,
Speaker 3: oh shit It's The. Marine corps as a matter, of
Speaker 3: fact in the summer of twenty eleven and, TWENTY twelve
Speaker 3: i Went. To paris MOST fun i ever had in
Speaker 3: my life was getting drunk as fuck and getting Lost
Speaker 3: in paris and like. Discovering thing THAT'S when i Saw The.
Speaker 3: Mona lisa matter, of fact we we started At The.
Speaker 3: Eiffel tower, i'm sorry we actually Started At, notre, dame
Speaker 3: RIGHT and i actually got to sit in on a
Speaker 3: Mass At notre dame that was. Really dope, and uh we.
Speaker 3: Left there it was around lunchtime and you can See
Speaker 3: The eiffel tower from anywhere in, the city and we
Speaker 3: asked one of. The guys everybody There. Speaks english by,
Speaker 3: the way it's one of the biggest tourists Towns, on
Speaker 3: earth so like everybody there speaks like five. Fucking languages
Speaker 3: and so we asked. The guy, we're, like uh, you
Speaker 3: know how far is it To The. Eiffel tower, he's,
Speaker 3: like oh it's not like, walking distance it's like ten
Speaker 3: miles and, we're, like pH it's fucking. Eleven am we
Speaker 3: don't have to be back to the hotel. Till midnight,
Speaker 3: SO like i guess we're going for. A. Walk boys
Speaker 3: we got soh back, asswards lost but also had the.
Speaker 3: Most fun we found Accidentally the Arc, de triumph right
Speaker 3: that famous picture where You see hitler walking through it
Speaker 3: and all that when he took. OVER pairs i walked. Through.
Speaker 3: It dog we discovered Accidentally the louver and we got
Speaker 3: there like fifteen minutes before, closing time so we were
Speaker 3: there was no. Line anymore they had all gone away
Speaker 3: because they thought they wouldn't. Get in so we, got
Speaker 3: there we ran to See The. Mona lisa it's the
Speaker 3: size of. A textbook it was a very big let
Speaker 3: down as far as, that's concerned, Really, ever, yeah yeah
Speaker 3: it's not big. At all like you can look up
Speaker 3: the dimensions. Of it it's like it's like the size
Speaker 3: of a. Decent. BOOK hue i.
Speaker 2: DON'T know i just always thought that it was like a.
Speaker 2: Huge painting you.
Speaker 3: Would think the way that's, been fucking, you know sensationalized in,
Speaker 3: all this and also aside from the Fact that Leo
Speaker 3: da vinci himself, Painted it. I'm underwhelmed i'm underwhelmed by
Speaker 3: the entirety. Of it, but anyway then we finally made
Speaker 3: it To The, eiffel tower and at, this time every
Speaker 3: hour or on the hour, at night When The eiffel tower's.
Speaker 3: Lit up it does like a, light show like strobe
Speaker 3: lights go all, over it and it was. REALLY cool
Speaker 3: i didn't know that that was, a thing so that
Speaker 3: was a fun thing to be a. Part of AND
Speaker 3: then i got jipped by some. Fucking gypsies actually we're
Speaker 3: gonna go, that, route although like it's cool because the
Speaker 3: cops beat the shit out of them LATER and i
Speaker 3: stole all, their trinkets so, YOU know i got mine in.
Speaker 3: The end but like, you know they were selling wine
Speaker 3: ten euros of Pop and, i'm, Like yeah i'll buy.
Speaker 3: Some wine, fuck it we're just. Chilling WHATEVER and i
Speaker 3: didn't have, a Corkscrew and, i'm, like hey you have a,
Speaker 3: cork screw fifteen year old for me to. Open it,
Speaker 3: i'm like oh, you dudey you. Got me and they
Speaker 3: kept trying to sell These Little eiffel tower trinkets that
Speaker 3: were like two inches tall and had a big ring
Speaker 3: of them and they're like a bunch of keychains all.
Speaker 3: Over it but they're out there selling things without, a
Speaker 3: permit and so this is what they do. Every day
Speaker 3: the cops come beat the shit out. Of them by,
Speaker 3: The way french cops are not.
Speaker 2: Cool like they they.
Speaker 3: Do not you are guilty until proven innocent in. That
Speaker 3: country if there's a bar fight that, breaks out they're
Speaker 3: locking the door and every single motherfucker in that bar
Speaker 3: is getting the shit kicked out, of them and then
Speaker 3: they'll decide who was the guilty party. Later on that's
Speaker 3: how that goes Down. In france but, uh, so yeah
Speaker 3: the gypsies are selling, their, wares right the cops come
Speaker 3: beat the shit out of like aggressively beat the shit out,
Speaker 3: of them and then they took them off to jail
Speaker 3: and then they release them the. Next morning. That's how
Speaker 3: this is what these people do every day for. Their
Speaker 3: income and so when they, did that one of the
Speaker 3: boys dropped their fucking ring of All The. Eiffel towers,
Speaker 3: YOU know i scooped that. BITCH up i made It
Speaker 3: Rain eiffel tower figurines on everybody, around us so YOU
Speaker 3: know i Got mine in. THE end i felt good.
Speaker 2: ABOUT that, i, mean hey you charge fifteen bucks for a, Fucking,
Speaker 2: corkscrew yeah it comes back.
Speaker 3: To, you no not even the corkscrew just to open.
Speaker 3: The wine he kept.
Speaker 2: The, corkscrew ah that's, Some bullshit.
Speaker 3: I'm, telling. You dude the fucking, gypsies again no hatred
Speaker 3: to the good gypsies, out there People of. Roma descent it's. Those,
Speaker 3: fucks okay it's. Those fucks, but uh then we didn't
Speaker 3: realize we were, out there, you know having. Our time
Speaker 3: didn't realize that we were an hour away from the
Speaker 3: hotel and it was already eleven. To FIFTEEN so i
Speaker 3: hail a fucking CAB AND i i had to spend
Speaker 3: like fifty euro which at the time was like seventy
Speaker 3: five dollars to get back to the hotel. On time
Speaker 3: and that was all THE money, I BROUGHT so i
Speaker 3: was like pretty much living ON whatever i could for
Speaker 3: the rest of THE time i. WAS there i was
Speaker 3: a very broke e three In The. Marine corps, so
Speaker 3: yeah it was it was. A time it was. A
Speaker 3: time but the SECOND time, i, went also that's when
Speaker 3: we got so drunk we flipped a smart car on.
Speaker 3: Its roof, SO yeah I. Love paris it.
Speaker 2: Sounds, Awesome, Yeah paris i've. NEVER been i Went. To
Speaker 2: frankfurt i've talked about, that before, But dude frankfort is
Speaker 2: fucking Awesome. In germany but that's, REALLY like, I mean
Speaker 2: i've Been, to Canada and mexico and shit, like that
Speaker 2: but outside Of The, united states that's really the ONLY place.
Speaker 2: I WENT and i, was, like dude this place is.
Speaker 2: So sick so, but anyway let's get back. To it
Speaker 2: there's one more THING that i wanted to, bring UP
Speaker 2: and i said that we weren't going to read any more,
Speaker 2: of these but they just keep on finding ways. In
Speaker 2: here so recently we just Had The Women's cryptid society
Speaker 2: on the show and they were talking about The majority
Speaker 2: MAORI and i, was like, all, right well here's. A
Speaker 2: mask let's go into. That one so these ancient masks
Speaker 2: were worn by warriors Of the maori tribe and what
Speaker 2: Is Now new zealand and are said to contain the
Speaker 2: spirits of. Fallen warriors according, to legend pregnant women are
Speaker 2: prone to being cursed after looking at, the masks and
Speaker 2: the superstition surrounding the curse is so strong That the
Speaker 2: Museum taepapa Is in wellington even has a sign advising
Speaker 2: pregnant women not to come in contact with.
Speaker 3: The, masks wow for a, CRAZY second i thought that
Speaker 3: was human skin that that mask was made, out of
Speaker 3: and it very WELL maybe i, don't know But the,
Speaker 3: maori did and up until the nineteen twenties absolutely get down,
Speaker 3: with cannibalism and like that was the. Whole thing if
Speaker 3: you killed somebody, in battle you were supposed to. Eat
Speaker 3: them that's how you gain, their mana, you know and
Speaker 3: all that their, warrior spirit if, you will and that's
Speaker 3: how you strengthen your. Own mana and, it, was yeah that's.
Speaker 3: That's wild they.
Speaker 2: Got down they definitely. Got down so, all right enough of.
Speaker 2: THOSE stories i think we have proven that objects can
Speaker 2: absolutely carry curses or at least a little bit of lore,
Speaker 2: with them that people who come in contact with them
Speaker 2: doesn't usually end.
Speaker 3: Up, well yeah.
Speaker 2: Whether it's bad luck, or death somewhere. In between usually
Speaker 2: somewhere your whole.
Speaker 3: House burning down because you have a print of a
Speaker 3: painting that so does everybody else because it's like a
Speaker 3: really famous thing at, the time and then, next thing,
Speaker 3: you know you're a statistic.
Speaker 2: DON'T look i think the moral of the story is
Speaker 2: don't give. Into fads just don't give. Into them if
Speaker 2: everybody else is interested, in it go the. OTHER way i.
Speaker 3: LIKE that i like that, be, countercultural right be your,
Speaker 3: own person think, for yourself open up that. THIRD eye i.
Speaker 2: LIKE that a lot take the road, less traveled as
Speaker 2: They Say. Robert frost so this next article Is called
Speaker 2: Ghostlyactivities dot com and it gets into hexes and curses
Speaker 2: In A marria rian, folk tradition and so it talks
Speaker 2: about the different kinds of hexes and where, they're from
Speaker 2: such As The pennsylvania dutch her. Hex array So In pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: dutch country hexes aren't all. That bad the hex sign
Speaker 2: signs painted on barns are thought to, protect them, not
Speaker 2: harm and featured designs, like, birds hearts. And tulips but
Speaker 2: not every hex is so warm. And fuzzy, the hexsarai
Speaker 2: which literally, means witchcraft includes darker. Practices too when someone
Speaker 2: wanted to lay, a curse they'd use symbols and rituals
Speaker 2: for that. Specific purpose they even made a distinction between
Speaker 2: good magic used for healing in bad magic used. For
Speaker 2: harm so That's the. Pennsylvania Dutchy the amish are very
Speaker 2: they're very, superstitious.
Speaker 3: People so that, makes, sense yeah.
Speaker 2: They, are nextly we have the hoodoo. And conjure, so
Speaker 2: hoodoo also known, as conjure is a Mix, Of African
Speaker 2: native American and european beliefs. And practices hoodoo curse is
Speaker 2: known as. Laying tricks can, involve. Powders oils how about, That,
Speaker 2: one yep powders oils and sometimes hair or personal items
Speaker 2: from the person. Being cursed it's not all, about. HARM
Speaker 2: though a lot of hoodoo focuses on protection and good.
Speaker 2: Luck too practitioners might wear a mojo bag filled with
Speaker 2: herbs and charms to fend off any.
Speaker 3: Bad juju so they tell about laying. Them tricks laying.
Speaker 3: Them tricks i'm not, TO say i feel like that's
Speaker 3: colloquialistically been taken over by a whole, different meaning but
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: They do then there's. The appllation some People. Say appalachian
Speaker 2: i've always heard it, Said appellation so That's what i'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Go with.
Speaker 2: In the hills Of, the appalachia curses and hexes are a.
Speaker 2: Little different many of these folk traditions come From The scots,
Speaker 2: irish settlers who brought their own beliefs about the evil
Speaker 2: eye and the power of plants and. Appalation magic protective
Speaker 2: charms might include a witch ball or a bottle filled,
Speaker 2: with pins hair. And nails folk magic here is often
Speaker 2: Combined with bible verses, or prayers so it has A unique.
Speaker 2: Christian spin in, many ways this makes it feel less
Speaker 2: like witchcraft and more like country wisdom passed down. Through
Speaker 2: Generations the.
Speaker 3: Irish and scottish are also inherently very superstitious for a lot,
Speaker 3: of things so that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Very true so here are some common types of curses.
Speaker 2: And hexes so, first off you have the, evil eye
Speaker 2: which we were talking about a little. Bit earlier the
Speaker 2: evil eye. Is simple if someone's, envious enough they can
Speaker 2: cause you misfortune just by looking. At you think of
Speaker 2: a death glare with. Magical Properties in american, folk tradition
Speaker 2: it's common to hear people talk about feeling jinxd or
Speaker 2: cursed by, someone's look wearing a charm to protect, against
Speaker 2: it like, a horseshoe or even just a. RED ribbon
Speaker 2: a red ribbon is a common way to guard against the,
Speaker 2: evil eye. All right they also have the little evil
Speaker 2: eye pendant. As well then you have, personal hexes, it
Speaker 2: says sometimes curses. Get personal if someone in the community made,
Speaker 2: you mad it wasn't uncommon for them to leave a
Speaker 2: hex on. Your doorstep maybe you'd find a strange line
Speaker 2: of powder around, your house or a small doll called
Speaker 2: a poppet with pins stuck. In it these were subtle
Speaker 2: ways of saying, watch out you've crossed the. Wrong person
Speaker 2: and these traditions people believe that curses could mess with
Speaker 2: everything from your health to. Your crops pretty much anything
Speaker 2: important to you was. Fair game, Hello poppet hello, PULPIT.
Speaker 3: Kindness i mean with a needle. In it so it's
Speaker 3: Like the european equivalent of. Voodoo, doll, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah basically then you have cursed objects. In land america
Speaker 2: is full of spooky stories about, cursed objects, haunted mirrors, bad,
Speaker 2: luck jewelry and even cursed houses all of their place.
Speaker 2: In folklore often these objects have, dark histories maybe they
Speaker 2: were taken from, a grave or maybe something tragic. Happened
Speaker 2: nearby cursed land is also Common in, american folklore especially
Speaker 2: with Tales Of native america and burial grounds that are better.
Speaker 2: Left undisturbed it all adds up to one. Common theme
Speaker 2: sometimes things hold on to bad energy and it's best
Speaker 2: to leave.
Speaker 3: Them alone, Absolutely absolutely then.
Speaker 2: You have tools for cursing and. Protecting yourself so they
Speaker 2: talk about all the various things such as hexes, and
Speaker 2: symbols those hex signs that you see On The pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Dutch barnes they're not just. Cute decorations these symbols, featuring,
Speaker 2: stars birds and rosettes are meant to ward off evil
Speaker 2: spirits and. Bad luck they represent an entire system of
Speaker 2: folk magic meant to protect families. In animals some people
Speaker 2: hang them in their, homes too as kind of a spiritual.
Speaker 2: Security system so if you feel like you're cursed or,
Speaker 2: your hext maybe you do. A little you'd take some
Speaker 2: lessons from The Old pennsylvania dutch. Another way another way is.
Speaker 2: Cursing tools says when it comes to laying, a curse
Speaker 2: people of. All kinds people use all kinds. OF objects
Speaker 2: a common one is, a poppet a small doll made
Speaker 2: to represent a person, being Cursed and hudoo specific items
Speaker 2: like sulfur or black salt are believed to give the curse. Extra,
Speaker 2: strength meanwhile which. Makes, Sense meanwhile appalachian folk folk practitioners
Speaker 2: might use things like, witch balls which we. Talked about
Speaker 2: these tools aren't, Just random they're part of a bigger
Speaker 2: tradition that sees physical objects as carriers of, spiritual power
Speaker 2: and you have protection. And countercursing, oh so, of course
Speaker 2: with all these curses, flying around people always need ways to.
Speaker 2: Protect themselves hanging a horseshoe above, the door carrying a pouch,
Speaker 2: of salt or planting certain herbs around the house were
Speaker 2: always ways to fend. Off curses if someone felt that
Speaker 2: they've been hext they might perform a mirror, box ritual
Speaker 2: using a box lined with mirrors to reflect the curse
Speaker 2: back onto the person who. Cast it in, these traditions
Speaker 2: simply acknowledging a curse and using protective charms could sometimes.
Speaker 2: Weaken it so there's plenty of different ways you got, unhexing,
Speaker 2: rituals amulets. And talismans modern day hext breaking services which
Speaker 2: oh let's read into that one so it says believe it,
Speaker 2: or not hext breaking is still big. Business today some
Speaker 2: hudu practitioners and folk healers offer hex removal services involving
Speaker 2: everything from candle ceremonies to. Spiritual baths people will come
Speaker 2: in all sorts of with all sorts, of complaints, bad,
Speaker 2: luck illness, relationship problems and the healers perform rituals to cleanse.
Speaker 2: Their lives it might sound, old fashioned but in times,
Speaker 2: of trouble people will try anything to turn their, luck around,
Speaker 2: no doubt.
Speaker 3: No doubt desperate people are willing to do whatever, it
Speaker 3: takes that's.
Speaker 2: For sure, oh. Yeah yeah so this next one is
Speaker 2: nineteen generally nineteen generational curses and how to. Break them
Speaker 2: this Is By deep roots at home. Dot com we're
Speaker 2: not going to read the, whole thing, of course but
Speaker 2: you have. Certain things we're just going to get into
Speaker 2: the generational blessings and the iniquities and then the evidence. Of,
Speaker 2: curses so as far as generational, blessings go it says
Speaker 2: family is Important, to god and it is clear that
Speaker 2: he does not think merely in terms, of individuals but
Speaker 2: also in terms. Of, Generations matthew, chapter one verse seventeen,
Speaker 2: tells us so all the Generations from Abraham to david are.
Speaker 2: Fourteen Generations from david until the Captivity in babylon are,
Speaker 2: Fourteen generations and from the Captivity in babylon Until the
Speaker 2: christ are. Fourteen generations oh how. About that when making
Speaker 2: a Covenant, With abraham god never Once said i'm going to.
Speaker 2: Bless you he Always said i'm going to bless you and.
Speaker 2: Your descendants an Example of this Is in genesis chapter,
Speaker 2: twenty two verses seventeen, and Eighteen where god said, IN
Speaker 2: blessing i will bless you, and multiply. AND multiply i
Speaker 2: will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven
Speaker 2: and as the sand which is on the. Sea shore
Speaker 2: and your descendants shall possess the gait of. Their enemies
Speaker 2: weird in. Your seed all the nations of the earth shall,
Speaker 2: be blessed because you have obeyed. My voice so there,
Speaker 2: you go watches out for. The families that's a that's
Speaker 2: a good look. For sure then you got the generational.
Speaker 2: In iniquities churches also run along. Blood Lines in exodus,
Speaker 2: chapter twenty verses five, And six god warns the Children
Speaker 2: of israel not to follow the, false gods saying you
Speaker 2: shall not bow down to them nor. Serve THEM, for
Speaker 2: I the Lord, your god am a, jealous god visiting
Speaker 2: the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the
Speaker 2: third and fourth generations of those who, hate me but
Speaker 2: showing mercy to thousands to those who love me and
Speaker 2: keep my. Commandments absolutely then biblical evidence. Of curses. Even
Speaker 2: so deuteronomy chapter, twenty eight verses fifteen through sixty eight
Speaker 2: contains fifty three verses listing various. Generational curses here are
Speaker 2: just a few of the symptoms of curses. Listed there
Speaker 2: so you, have poverty, hereditary, disease divorce, child abuse, sexual abuse, domestic,
Speaker 2: violence alcoholism, drug, addiction, immorality, adultery, perversion, depression, confusion, fear indecision,
Speaker 2: panic attacks, mental, illness suicide and destructive attitudes. And behaviors
Speaker 2: each of these, can be but are not always the
Speaker 2: result of, generational curse and most have their root in idolatry.
Speaker 2: And iniquity most People are, many people if, not most
Speaker 2: can identify some of these symptoms that have passed on
Speaker 2: from generation. To generation, so yeah. Pretty cool then it,
Speaker 2: talks about, you know how curses can be stopped with
Speaker 2: the Blood. Of jesus hebrews nine twenty, two says according to,
Speaker 2: the law almost all things are purified, with blood and
Speaker 2: without the shedding of blood there is. No remission, so
Speaker 2: yeah it's all about.
Speaker 3: The, blood yeah this Is why jesus was the ultimate
Speaker 3: sacrifice and the shedding of the blood for. Everybody's iniquities
Speaker 3: that's why it's worded, that way.
Speaker 2: For, sure yeah it says it's all about the Blood Of.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ in romans, chapter three verses twenty three through,
Speaker 2: twenty five, it says for all have sinned and fall
Speaker 2: short of the Glory of god and are justified Freely
Speaker 2: by his grace through the redemption that Came. By. Christ
Speaker 2: jesus god presented him as the sacrifice of atonement through
Speaker 2: faith in. His blood he did this to demonstrate his
Speaker 2: justice because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed. Beforehand,
Speaker 2: unpunished yeah, so obviously if You're, a christian you. Know
Speaker 2: that just wanted to throw it out there because, you. Know, curses,
Speaker 2: hey dude it's not just. Some speculation this ain't no.
Speaker 2: Spooky story this shit's been happening since the beginning. Of time,
Speaker 2: AND also i have one more THING that i want
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Speaker 2: that says seven historically proven ways to break curses and.
Speaker 2: Lift hexes so, it SAYS and i know you like
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Speaker 3: Do this.
Speaker 2: I'M down a curse is a supernatural manifestation that inflicts
Speaker 2: various hardships and torments on. The victim curses are often
Speaker 2: inflicted in, various ways such as through, divine punishment, pagan,
Speaker 2: magic witchcraft or. Demonic influences throughout most religionsk, folk takes and,
Speaker 2: mythological stories curses are depicted as having devastating consequences and are.
Speaker 2: Often permanent that, being said there are some methods through
Speaker 2: which a curse can, be, lifted broken or at least
Speaker 2: have its effects nullified so that it can't harm. The
Speaker 2: victim the, first one, it, says complete complete the condition
Speaker 2: of the curse to. Remove it, that's interesting so. It
Speaker 2: says it is rare for a curse to be. Completely
Speaker 2: irreversible such curses are usually godly in nature and are
Speaker 2: provoked by the victim who deeply offend their. Ruling deity
Speaker 2: such examples include the cursing of king like on like
Speaker 2: a on okay le kieran l y C A o
Speaker 2: n likea on or something like on, okay anyway your boy,
Speaker 2: the king.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: It says such examples including the king who was transformed
Speaker 2: into a Wolf, by zeus because the king killed his
Speaker 2: son and then cooked and served Him to zeus at.
Speaker 3: A banquet ah like how likenography is of the study of.
Speaker 3: Were wolves i'm with, you, now okay, got you, got.
Speaker 2: YOU gotcha i didn't know that it came. From that.
Speaker 3: That's interesting most of those words have their basis In
Speaker 3: ancient latin Or. Ancient greek, so yeah come from. The
Speaker 3: king the first uh recorded thing of a were wolf
Speaker 3: type situation that was a Curse. By, zeus interesting.
Speaker 2: Didn't think it went, back there but? Why Not so,
Speaker 2: by comparison most curses inflicted through witchcraft or by demons
Speaker 2: are conditional, in nature meaning that the curse ends once
Speaker 2: certain conditions. Are met examples include returning a stolen item
Speaker 2: to its rightful place. Or owner kind of what you were.
Speaker 2: Talking about they didn't, return it but that could have
Speaker 2: been one way that would have lifted the nightmares and
Speaker 2: all the weird shit that was going on with your
Speaker 2: boys in. The, Military okay so returning a stolen item
Speaker 2: to its rightful place. OR owner a typical example is
Speaker 2: returning an artifact to the tomb of An angry. Egyptian
Speaker 2: mummy or you could find. True love this is the
Speaker 2: case Of The frog prince And the beauty And, the
Speaker 2: beast where a curse transforms a handsome priest handsome prince into,
Speaker 2: a beast and the curse can only be broken if
Speaker 2: they find. True, love okay, fair enough here's an, interesting
Speaker 2: one wait For the time. To expire christianity has the
Speaker 2: story Of The, wandering jew a man That taunted jesus
Speaker 2: as he was carrying the cross on the way. To crucifixion,
Speaker 2: as Punishment The wandering jew was cursed with immortality and
Speaker 2: forced to roam the earth until the second coming Of.
Speaker 2: The christ, of course the problem in this case is
Speaker 2: knowing the condition necessary to end. The curse, in, literature folklore,
Speaker 2: and mythology the one who inflicted the curse would sometimes
Speaker 2: communicate the end condition to. The victim, other times the
Speaker 2: victim had to figure this out by themselves or with
Speaker 2: the help of friends or allies such, as fairies, divine, spirit. Saints,
Speaker 2: etc yeah, You know i've heard.
Speaker 3: That story it's one of, those things like, you said
Speaker 3: it's Like a. Jewish myth it's kind of like the Story.
Speaker 4: Of.
Speaker 3: Lilith Right no christian literature Talks. About lilith it's a
Speaker 3: It's a jewish tradition that's kind of become its own
Speaker 3: mythological lore. To, it, so yeah The, Wandering jew i've
Speaker 3: heard of. This.
Speaker 2: One bro imagine just talking a bunch of shit As
Speaker 2: to jesus as he's gone up on. The cross imagine
Speaker 2: being so imagine being so stupid and doing That to
Speaker 2: jesus of, all people.
Speaker 3: The dudes on the side of him on their own.
Speaker 3: Fucking crosses one of them was talking shit even as
Speaker 3: he was on the cross next, to him. Dumb dum
Speaker 3: and then the, other one his brother is a matter,
Speaker 3: of fact had, you know seen the lights in that
Speaker 3: moment and prayed and asked. For mercy this other one, was, like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah you're the king Of the jews on the Son,
Speaker 3: of god and why don't you just take yourself down
Speaker 3: off this cross if you're. So powerful, it's, like bro
Speaker 3: there's nails through your fucking wrists too. Right now, and
Speaker 3: yeah so there's some people that are just going to
Speaker 3: be that way to the. Bitter end even talks about
Speaker 3: that in the end, time prophecies there's gonna be people
Speaker 3: that see, the coming they literally witness, the miracles and
Speaker 3: they're still going to try to justify it in their,
Speaker 3: own way and they're gonna try to make their own
Speaker 3: sense of it rather than just acknowledge that one plus one,
Speaker 3: Equals too they're gonna try to find a way to,
Speaker 3: where well maybe one plus one doesn't Equal to that
Speaker 3: WASN'T what i. Just saw it's. It's crazy they're gonna.
Speaker 3: Witness it they're gonna. See it even if they see the,
Speaker 3: rapture happen they're gonna, be, like oh the aliens took.
Speaker 3: Them up, it's like, you know this was written about
Speaker 3: in a book thousands of, years ago and you're still
Speaker 3: you're still gonna play this game like, all right, coo.
Speaker 2: Coo yeah to some goal to just be talk and
Speaker 2: Shit to jesus And then jesus, all, say less, Little
Speaker 2: bitch i'm gonna curse to you for the rest of
Speaker 2: your LIFE until i, come back And then i'll fuck.
Speaker 3: You, Again well jesus didn't, say that, BUT yeah i
Speaker 3: feel what you mean on that, for sure in so.
Speaker 2: Many words, You know i'm sure he. Phrased it and
Speaker 2: you know nice in the.
Speaker 3: Wrathful One that's. God's job jesus came To save.
Speaker 2: God, JUDGES well I mean jesus made this dude live
Speaker 2: for eternity until he. Came back that's kind of a
Speaker 2: Punishment if jesus. Did, that god that's the, real, Story. Right,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah then so another one would be to destroy the,
Speaker 2: cursed object which you know we were talking about with
Speaker 2: the fires or drowning it. Or whatever. It says the
Speaker 2: evil magical powers of a curse are often stored in a,
Speaker 2: physical item such as, a pelt, a doll or even.
Speaker 2: A needle this cursed item then channels the powers from
Speaker 2: the supernatural realm into the physical realm that we. Humans,
Speaker 2: inhabit thus destroying this magical item will also break the
Speaker 2: curse in all of, its effects sometimes. Even retroactive there
Speaker 2: are quite a few examples of this, in, history religion.
Speaker 2: And mythology so you got destroying a wolf's pelt to
Speaker 2: end a curse of were, wolf ism which says During The,
Speaker 2: middle ages church priests and common people believed a person
Speaker 2: could become a werewolf by wearing clothing made from. Wolf
Speaker 2: pelts it sounds sounds, about right like what was it
Speaker 2: your boy that we just talked about The war the
Speaker 2: original was the? Original Skinwalker? Oh enoch according to, some, legend,
Speaker 2: no No. Not enoch the. Other, GUY shit i can't
Speaker 2: remember what his. Name was It wasn't, Enoch, though okaine,
Speaker 2: the guy the guy that people. He was it's like
Speaker 2: another name. For, Idiot.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: Nimrod nimrod, yeah, Yeah, YEAH well i.
Speaker 3: Mean and that's the. Thing too and that goes back to, even, further,
Speaker 3: like Uh, The, vikings right you would Have Your yam's
Speaker 3: vikings that would wear wolf skins and they would take
Speaker 3: on the wolf pack. Type things then you'd have the
Speaker 3: ones that would wear bear skins and be, a berserker
Speaker 3: which is a whole, other thing both of which kind
Speaker 3: of went into an animalistic frenzy when they would go.
Speaker 3: Into Battle now i'm not saying skin walker by, any
Speaker 3: means but when you Had The catholic church In The,
Speaker 3: middle ages right After the vikings went by the, wayside,
Speaker 3: saying ah clearly possessed by. A demon we have to burn.
Speaker 3: The pelt, YOU know i could, See.
Speaker 2: It that's what. It says the simple solution to this
Speaker 2: was to destroy the, wolf's clothing ideally with. Silver.
Speaker 3: Objects interesting interesting that they would bring, up silver and,
Speaker 3: you know silver has been used for a lot of things.
Speaker 3: Throughout history as a matter, of fact and that's the
Speaker 3: whle were, wolf, thing right the hit them with a
Speaker 3: stick with a, silver handle or a silver bullet or a.
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Speaker 2: I FEEL like i just allouped that one.
Speaker 3: TO you i don't know if you, intended to but
Speaker 3: it was a. SOLID value i just sent like a little.
Speaker 3: TELEKINETIC message i, said SILVER and i Was, like jacob
Speaker 3: pick up. ON it i. Felt, it.
Speaker 2: Then of course we talked About the Portrait Of dorian
Speaker 2: gray and The Novel dorian gray remains forever young by
Speaker 2: having his portrait age instead. Of him his curse is
Speaker 2: only lifted after he destroys the portrait with. A night
Speaker 2: another one is cleansing and destroying a. VOODOO doll, i mean,
Speaker 2: All right it says black magic practitioners often use voodoo
Speaker 2: dolls to inflict harm on. Real people to break a voodoo,
Speaker 2: doll curse the victim should ideally obtain the doll cleansing
Speaker 2: in holy water to break the magical connection to, the
Speaker 2: victim and then. Incinerate, it okay went, IN fire i.
Speaker 2: Got you then there's the Needle of Koshe. THE deathless
Speaker 2: i could be saying, that wrong but this story is
Speaker 2: actually pretty. Fucking wild it Says in Russian Folklore. Koshe
Speaker 2: kochi how would you? Say? THAT anyway i can't read
Speaker 2: THAT k o s c H e. I kochi whatever, it.
Speaker 2: Is anyway koche is, an evil immortal being that cannot
Speaker 2: be harmed or killed because his soul has been transformed
Speaker 2: into a needle that is hidden in a needle which
Speaker 2: is in, an egg which is in, a duck which
Speaker 2: is in, a hair which is in an, iron chest
Speaker 2: which is buried under a green oak tree which is
Speaker 2: on a far. Away, island thus only by recovering and
Speaker 2: destroying this Needle can cuchet. Be, defeated interesting what, a, Story.
Speaker 3: Uncle why needs to be inside of all of? Those
Speaker 3: things it sounds like an excess of a, Tur ducan
Speaker 3: but you're not even. Eating it?
Speaker 2: YOU'RE okay, i, mean look if you want that entity
Speaker 2: to or that curse to never, be lifted it probably
Speaker 2: go through some hoops in order to make sure that
Speaker 2: it never CAN be i. GET it i suppose then
Speaker 2: you got a running a knife on a. Cursed sigil
Speaker 2: in the case of modern, pagan witchcraft one way to
Speaker 2: lay a curse on someone is by carving or drawing
Speaker 2: an evil sigel on a. Victim's object this can be, their, car,
Speaker 2: home clothes. Et cetera in, this case the best way
Speaker 2: to break the curse is by unwinding it by running
Speaker 2: a knife on the sigel in the opposite way that it. Was,
Speaker 2: created damn that's a.
Speaker 3: Good, one yeah but you only know that if you
Speaker 3: were there to watch how it. Was created how do
Speaker 3: you know you're going in the? Opposite? Direction oh. GOOD
Speaker 3: point i mean maybe if you like caught them in
Speaker 3: the act, or something then you would know what. To
Speaker 3: do BUT if i woke up tomorrow go out to
Speaker 3: my car and there's a sigil carved, INTO it i
Speaker 3: have no way which way the fucking knife.
Speaker 2: Was going how, some people some people are really good
Speaker 2: at trying to figure out where it started and where
Speaker 2: it ended and shit. Like that maybe you'll be able, to,
Speaker 2: see like, you know like just for, an example if
Speaker 2: you took a knife to, a car you'd be Able,
Speaker 2: TO well i guess a better example, would, be, like
Speaker 2: uh watching, somebody's writing and you can, you know whenever,
Speaker 2: somebody's done they leave a little dot at, the end
Speaker 2: and maybe you trace that.
Speaker 3: Back, somehow yeah if it's, a word you would just
Speaker 3: trace it back the opposite direction. Or, Something, OKAY okay
Speaker 3: i guess. It's possible the. Situation Dictates but i've never
Speaker 3: heard this one before.
Speaker 2: ME neither i like it so you can also wear
Speaker 2: protection amulets like a cross and. A crucifix the ham's
Speaker 2: a hand, thor's hammer which you might want to be
Speaker 2: careful with that one because people might judge you because
Speaker 2: of certain ties that it. Has nowadays for, Some, reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah The aryan Brotherhood and white's supremacy have taken these
Speaker 3: things Of anything nordic now could very easily be attributed
Speaker 3: to white.
Speaker 2: Supremacist groups. It's crazy it's such a Shame because milnir is. Fucking, awesome, YEAH.
Speaker 3: Man i mean that's the other. Thing too there are
Speaker 3: something that'll, be, like oh it's an upside. Down cross
Speaker 3: it's like, not, exactly dude not even a, little bit
Speaker 3: but you. Know.
Speaker 2: Whatever, yeah well then you also Have the celtic, shield
Speaker 2: NOD which i used to have a necklace. LIKE that
Speaker 2: i didn't even know what. It meant somebody gave it
Speaker 2: to ME and i, WAS like i just thought it.
Speaker 2: Looked cool but yeah.
Speaker 3: IT does, I mean celtic not work.
Speaker 4: Is.
Speaker 2: Awesome yes then you Have the, nazar amulet which is
Speaker 2: the evil eye protector. That says the nasar is an eye,
Speaker 2: shaped amulet usually made of blue and. White glass the
Speaker 2: nasar protects against the, evil eye, an evil malevolent stare
Speaker 2: that is believed to bring, bad luck, negative energies or
Speaker 2: inflict curses because of its. Eye shape the nausor amulet
Speaker 2: stares back at the, evil eye reflecting the malevolent energies
Speaker 2: back onto the person giving. It solid then you, have
Speaker 2: protection runs. And sigils not everybody's going to agree, with
Speaker 2: these but this is in. The lore, first off you
Speaker 2: have the pentacle with the pentagram a five pointed star
Speaker 2: enclosed within, a circle with each point representing the elements, for, earth,
Speaker 2: air fire and water. And spirit it is a symbol,
Speaker 2: of protection, spiritual balance and the interconnectedness of the. Spiritual
Speaker 2: world then this IS where i believe you were talking
Speaker 2: about the, broken, Cross, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah you put that in a circle and you flip it.
Speaker 3: Upside down it's a, piece, Symbol right but which is? A,
Speaker 3: run yeah it's. A room but then some say it's
Speaker 3: a cross with, broken arms and it's a whole other symbolism.
Speaker 3: To it and that's why white supremacist groups have. Used
Speaker 3: that as a matter, of fact.
Speaker 2: They always Gotta go nordic every time.
Speaker 3: That's a name something whiter Than, the nordics going for.
Speaker 3: White Supremacy the nordics would be an easy place to derive.
Speaker 3: THAT from i. GET it i disagree, with IT but i.
Speaker 2: Get it so from some angles it's the. Broken cross
Speaker 2: from other angles it's. The owl is it?
Speaker 3: Alg's roun let me Read that there a L G.
Speaker 3: I z i would Call it alga's. OR algae'z i
Speaker 3: Don't Know algie's.
Speaker 2: Alge's Anyway the, algae's room also KNOWN as l has
Speaker 2: meaning elk OR the. Z room i don't know where
Speaker 2: you GET a z, in that but is one of
Speaker 2: the letters found in the older Footh arc, runic alphabet
Speaker 2: as it's a system of writing that is even older
Speaker 2: Than the norse runs more people are. Familiar with if
Speaker 2: the fingers were. Pointed up the run was a, life
Speaker 2: symbol which is depicted. Right here when used as a,
Speaker 2: life Symbol The algae's room was carved on weapons shields
Speaker 2: and armor as a talisman for victory and good luck
Speaker 2: and the sense that my life will not. End HERE nice.
Speaker 3: I like and then the hippies flipped it upside down
Speaker 3: and put it in. A.
Speaker 2: Circle, wild well people, get weird, they, Do uh and
Speaker 2: then you have the sigil Of archangel, michael right a
Speaker 2: complex design incorporating various symbols that are Associated With, archangel
Speaker 2: michael the angel Protection in Christian and. Jewish traditions one
Speaker 2: can either wear this singel this sigil as an amulet
Speaker 2: or drawn on. An object in, either case the sigel
Speaker 2: will create a connection to The, archangel michael thus protecting
Speaker 2: the wearer from, malevolent, spirits curses or. Negative energies, all, right?
Speaker 3: Awesome, alsome oh you KNOW what.
Speaker 2: I think as a matter, OF fact i could. BE
Speaker 2: wrong I think i'm right about. This though But the
Speaker 2: i've talked about the guy who who, does sacrifices and
Speaker 2: He Sacrifices Chicken, jays GARRETT and i believe he had.
Speaker 2: This tattoo so, THAT'S interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean like you like he, even said, you know
Speaker 3: it's he calls upon all kinds of, different things of
Speaker 3: the good and. THE light, i heard the good and,
Speaker 3: THE bad i, should, SAY so, i mean all right.
Speaker 2: For sure, and lastly, of course. There's prayer if you're
Speaker 2: trying to get rid of some kind of curse or
Speaker 2: hex or something, like that you should be able to
Speaker 2: call on. A prayer in, most religions prayers and sacrifices
Speaker 2: to the supreme divinity are often enough to break a
Speaker 2: Curse and, greek mythology, for example The god dionysus Famously
Speaker 2: Rewarded king midas with the power to transform everything he touched. Into,
Speaker 2: Gold however mightas soon realize that his blessing was more of,
Speaker 2: a curse since even the food that he touched. Became
Speaker 2: gold midas then Prayed to dionysus to be free from.
Speaker 2: This curse the god agreed And instructed midas to wash
Speaker 2: his hands in The river pactulus to remove. The curse and,
Speaker 2: another tale The god posided cursed The. HERO odysseus i
Speaker 2: say that cursed The hero odysseus to wander the oceans
Speaker 2: for ten years for. Disrespecting him odysseus only lifted the
Speaker 2: curse after offering proper prayer and sacrifice to the angry.
Speaker 3: Sea, god yeah that would be the story Of, the
Speaker 3: odyssey journey of him for ten years going and Basically
Speaker 3: retracing jason In the argonaut's tale and all. Of That
Speaker 3: the odyssey is one of my favorite stories. Of, antiquity
Speaker 3: honestly it's so it's.
Speaker 2: Fascinating then, of Course, for christians prayers Such As hail
Speaker 2: mary Or my father who art in heaven can break.
Speaker 2: Most curses these prayers function as verbal, protection talismans and,
Speaker 2: whenever recited they will cast away the evil energy surrounding.
Speaker 2: A person sometimes a curse may require multiple recitations if
Speaker 2: the curse afflicts, a house and might be necessary to
Speaker 2: recite the prayer in every room. And, hallway yeah.
Speaker 3: There, you go prayer And. The rosary you're gonna throw
Speaker 3: out a few our fathers and A Few. Hail mary's
Speaker 3: that's how. That goes so there.
Speaker 2: You go stronger curses or demonic possessions can only be lifted.
Speaker 2: With exorcisms an exorcism is a set of religious rituals
Speaker 2: and prayers Performed by christian priests as a way to
Speaker 2: get rid of a. Demonic, presence technically an exorcism can
Speaker 2: be performed by, any person even the. Possessed one oh.
Speaker 2: Okay never an exorcism is most effective if performed by
Speaker 2: a priest who understands the full meaning of all the
Speaker 2: prayers and, rituals involved and has a firm Connection. To,
Speaker 2: god then of course you can always call on a
Speaker 2: white witch or outsmarting the person who. Cursed, you oh
Speaker 2: the story Of.
Speaker 3: Rumpel, stileskin, okay, oh Okay, rumpel stilskin a little, out
Speaker 3: smarting a. Little wit i'm, with you.
Speaker 2: My Favorite from once Upon, a time my. Favorite character
Speaker 2: but in the fairy Tale, rumpel stielskin a miller's daughter
Speaker 2: is locked in a room by the king and told
Speaker 2: to spin straw into gold or else. Face death she
Speaker 2: is aided by a mysterious Imp, rumpel stilskin who performs
Speaker 2: the task for her in exchange for her. Firstborn child
Speaker 2: the curse like situation is lifted When rumble steelskin offers
Speaker 2: her a. Way out she can keep her child if
Speaker 2: she guesses. His name after, some investigation she learns his
Speaker 2: name and says it, out loud Causing rumpel Stilson rumble
Speaker 2: steelskin to become so enraged that he destroys himself thereby lifting. The, curse.
Speaker 3: Yeah there's something about, that, too right and knowing the
Speaker 3: demons name that's tormenting you throwing. It out there's there's precedence.
Speaker 2: To, this, yeah dude what is? Your? Name ezekiel, Just
Speaker 2: kidding i'm gonna build, a fire and that fucking mother
Speaker 2: next to it that that video, so. Classic, dude uh.
Speaker 3: CLASSIC YouTube i just introduced my Children to Charlie.
Speaker 2: The unicorn oh that's. A, classic yeah it's so annoying
Speaker 2: that it just never gets out of. Your head but
Speaker 2: there's something that just pulls you.
Speaker 3: To it it is and it's a. Short one it
Speaker 3: doesn't take a whole hour to get the lore. To
Speaker 3: it it's. It's short it's to the point, it's like
Speaker 3: what the FUCK did i? Just watch and then you're
Speaker 3: in on the, joke immediately.
Speaker 2: You, know yeah whenever for all the cult members who
Speaker 2: always hear like you might hear me say, uh shun, then, no, unbelieva, no,
Speaker 2: no no. That's right all of it goes Back To. Charlie, unicorn,
Speaker 2: yeah dude AND they, i mean they have. Plenty more,
Speaker 2: oh no that's about one. More Here So the carpenter
Speaker 2: and The Shape. Shifting, Demon okay so a carpenter's workshop
Speaker 2: was cursed by a demon who was envious of. His
Speaker 2: craftsmanship every object the carpenter made would transform into ugly
Speaker 2: shapes that were impossible. To, use upset the carpenter challenged
Speaker 2: the demon to a shape shifting contest to lift. The
Speaker 2: curse the demon transformed into, a lion and the carpenter
Speaker 2: transformed his work into. A cage then the demon turned into,
Speaker 2: a bird and the carpenter transformed his work into a. Bird,
Speaker 2: cage finally the demon turned, into water thinking that he.
Speaker 2: Had won the carpenter then transformed the bird cage into
Speaker 2: a wooden bucket and trapped the demon inside. Of it
Speaker 2: stuck in his own, water reform the demon had, to,
Speaker 2: concede defeat and lift the curse from the. Carpenter's workshop
Speaker 2: there you go out.
Speaker 3: SMARTING it, i mean there's a story of where the
Speaker 3: jack o lantern came from in the. Same way you
Speaker 3: remember hearing about.
Speaker 2: That story, oh, yeah, Yeah yeah well there's actually a
Speaker 2: lot of stories about the where the jack o' lantern
Speaker 2: story comes.
Speaker 3: To be, but yeah there's a one where he was
Speaker 3: drinking at a bar and the devil presented himself to
Speaker 3: him and, was, Like look i'm taking you, to hell and,
Speaker 3: he's like, all right tell, you what why don't we
Speaker 3: get one more drink for? The road?
Speaker 2: All?
Speaker 3: Right cool and then. They do then they have, another
Speaker 3: one and then. Another one this Is the. Irish tale
Speaker 3: and then came time, to pay but they racked up
Speaker 3: quite the tab and so, he's, like, listen man you're a, shape,
Speaker 3: shifter right so why don't you transform yourself into a
Speaker 3: gold coin to pay? The tab but, you're enchanted. Of
Speaker 3: course SO once i pay him and he tries to
Speaker 3: put you in, the drawer you just hop into, my
Speaker 3: pocket you KNOW what, i mean and we'll we'll get
Speaker 3: out of here completely scott free. Of Pain the, devil's, like,
Speaker 3: YEAH yeah i like. That, Idea cool so, he DOES
Speaker 3: and i forget if it's because the pocket was like
Speaker 3: blessed in some way or there was some way that
Speaker 3: once the coin went into, the pocket he was unable to.
Speaker 3: Transform Again so jack walked around with a demon in,
Speaker 3: his pocket unable to transform out of. A coin so
Speaker 3: finally when he, released him he had, outsmarted him so
Speaker 3: he wasn't, Doomed hell but he also was not going
Speaker 3: to heaven because he was supposed to Go to hell
Speaker 3: in the, First place so instead he got sent to
Speaker 3: a land that's kind of like purgatory. But worse the
Speaker 3: only thing that grows there. Is turnips, oddly enough so
Speaker 3: and he gave him one lump of coal that would
Speaker 3: burn forever as his, one reprieve so he took a,
Speaker 3: turn up and he carved out of it a face
Speaker 3: and put the coal inside, of it and there was
Speaker 3: the first Lantern for jack aka The jack, o lantern
Speaker 3: shot Outs.
Speaker 2: Old jack that's actually, if so me and my wife
Speaker 2: are trying to have. Another kid if we have, a
Speaker 2: boy his name's Gonna. Be, jack, REALLY yeah i like.
Speaker 2: That name it's a solid. Man name, you know, you know.
Speaker 3: Too many people are doing these wild names. These days
Speaker 3: whatever happened Is Just george, henry, Okay, auto like There's
Speaker 3: classic stutley names that have just gone by the. Wayside
Speaker 3: here and it doesn't have to always. BE biblical. I
Speaker 3: know that's another thing of his classic it's got to
Speaker 3: be a. Biblical, name, no, no, No No look i've met a.
Speaker 3: Four before he was a. Solid guy it's kind of,
Speaker 3: a dick but like that comes with the territori. Iut post, but,
Speaker 3: like yeah, there's solid classic names that aren't whatever the
Speaker 3: fuck these white women are naming these children. These days it's,
Speaker 3: you know there's other ways to go, about. It y'all
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 2: I'm, saying yeah there's a lot of. WEIRD names i.
Speaker 2: DON'T know, I mean i guess a lot of names
Speaker 2: are really signs of, the times, you know like BACK
Speaker 2: whenever i, was named my mom named me and my
Speaker 2: sister from HER favorite. Tv show so like how people
Speaker 2: get inspired to name. Their kids it's actually my. Great
Speaker 2: grandfather his Name was jack and then his son Was.
Speaker 2: Named jack one of my favorite movies of all Time
Speaker 2: is Jack With, robin williams and so there's a lot
Speaker 2: Of good jacks.
Speaker 3: Out THERE but, i mean y'all's names are both solid.
Speaker 3: Classic names all of my, children well for the, most
Speaker 3: part it's a biblical and or. Classic name, but, LIKE
Speaker 3: yeah i, Get, this like, you know we don't have
Speaker 3: to go into The everything axton or everything. Aiden rule
Speaker 3: we don't have. To y'all it's, all.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's okay, you know just do your. Own
Speaker 2: thing don't follow the crown all.
Speaker 3: The time, and no, BY individual i don't mean find
Speaker 3: some extra way to. Spell it like there's like seventeen
Speaker 3: ways To. Spell megan now. IT'S ridiculous i wanted to
Speaker 3: Be named MEGHAN, spelled ghi, element o p THH.
Speaker 2: Or, E.
Speaker 3: Yeah megan, it's, like no don't add fifteen more syllables
Speaker 3: just to make it. One word.
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous just name, your kids shathid get it over
Speaker 2: with at?
Speaker 3: That point? Why? Not, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2: ANYHOW look i wanted to bring this up because there
Speaker 2: have been a lot of, cursed, objects paintings you. Name
Speaker 2: it you can you yourself can, be cursed your family can.
Speaker 2: Be cursed anything can be cursed or hext AND so
Speaker 2: I just i know that a lot of people they mention,
Speaker 2: those things but, they're, like ah that's, just lore that's. Not,
Speaker 2: real ah that's just, a coincidence that's. Not real but
Speaker 2: the stories associated with them always have a flavor that
Speaker 2: rhymes with everybody else's story that comes in contact with
Speaker 2: these with these elements and these objects and. Everything, Else
Speaker 2: right so just wanted to show that there absolutely is validity.
Speaker 2: To CURSES and i wanted to bring Up The crying
Speaker 2: boy PAINTING because, i mean look how many crazy synchronicities
Speaker 2: there are with. THAT story, i mean the guy who
Speaker 2: was painting it adopted the kid who, you know his
Speaker 2: parents died in. A fire then he brings them in
Speaker 2: and his house, burns down and everybody was at eighty
Speaker 2: houses ended up burning down with the painting. In, there
Speaker 2: meanwhile the painting is totally, you, know fine maybe a,
Speaker 2: little charred maybe a, little smoky but for the, most
Speaker 2: part like, lore follows and this was kind of the proof.
Speaker 3: Of that that's. Also wild the kid died in a.
Speaker 2: Car, fire, yeah yeah just the. Craziest SHIT who.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was a, pyromaniac thing or
Speaker 3: maybe that boy had, a demon a fire demon associated,
Speaker 3: with him or if this is in fact a case
Speaker 3: of some of.
Speaker 2: The worst, luck ever, like ever very well. Could be
Speaker 2: any of this. Is possible it's all up. To speculation
Speaker 2: we don't understand the fucking. Ethereal realm we don't understand
Speaker 2: any other dimension even than what we, live in and to,
Speaker 2: be honest we hardly understand this. Fucking dimension let's just,
Speaker 2: be real like we're constantly discovering, new things and so
Speaker 2: just want to throw it out there, that, magic, witchcraft
Speaker 2: hexes hereditary curses, all real, absolutely real. NO question i
Speaker 2: don't question it, at, all like not even a.
Speaker 3: Little, BIT yeah, I MEAN i've i believe this for quite.
Speaker 3: Some time and to see that so many different cultures
Speaker 3: believe it and they have different forms of how to
Speaker 3: get rid of them or what they may look like or. Whatever, else, Yeah,
Speaker 3: MAN no i thought this was an interesting episode. For
Speaker 3: sure never had heard about this boy in the painting
Speaker 3: in the, whole THING although i still think the artist
Speaker 3: was a pedophile and that he was painting. His subjects
Speaker 3: i'm gonna, be honest one.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent it's like predexter. Type. Shit, dude, yeah yeah could.
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