Speaker 1: You've got to want to be an overcomer. If you
want to be the safety guy, the certainty guy, you
can become that these skills aren't for you. They're not
going to help you. You've got to be someone who says,
you know what, I want to be the one that
God can trust. I want to be the one that
can be counted on. I want to be the one
that can have honor and obedience and integrity on the
battlefield in the midst of all the chaos. If you
want to be that person, that's who God wants you
to be. If you want to be someone who can
be trusted, you've got to want to be an overcomer.
And an overcomer is not someone it's not being Superman right,
it's dealing with uncertainty.
Speaker 2: That's impossible.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what I believe. It's your weakness.
Speaker 2: It's not your technique. Don't think you know you the
Impossible Life Podcast.
Speaker 3: I mean you're sitting on a winning lot of.
Speaker 1: Second an idea that is a fully formed, fully understood
that sticks. This is the Possible Life Podcast because Nick
and I are attempting to live impossible lives.
Speaker 3: What we know is that nothing is impossible.
Speaker 1: So instead of using impossible as an excuse to not try,
we'll use the pursuit of impossible as an accelerant for greatness.
If something's never been done before, that just means it's unexplored.
If they tell you it's too hard, it's just waiting
to be simplified. Impossible as a default label used by
uncourageous people unwilling to take a risk.
Speaker 3: The real truth is this.
Speaker 1: The solution to any impossible task starts with this question,
if I had to what would it take?
Speaker 3: What would it take?
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of the Impossible Life Podcast. I'm
your co host, Nick Surface, and I'm looking across out
a man whose life scripture is faithful? Are the wounds
of a friend? That's right, friend, Karrot, uncle back, a
man whose friendship is not for the faint of heart.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have anything to rebuke that. Right
before we got on the show, ten minutes ago, you
were just telling me how great it's been to be
my friend.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Don't remember that conversation that way, but you know it
is great being your friend. Yeah, I think I did
actually say something will do this line.
Speaker 3: You were talking about? You know, the benefit of being
around you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say it was necessarily exactly
those words, but yeah, there's some benefits, for sure, there are.
But it's I remember that that intro is a true
The closer you get to Garrett, the more you get
unfiltered feedback, which you can choose to take as being
very helpful. I've always chosen to take that way, and
it has been helpful. I remember one time you said
to me, this was years when we first started the podcast.
You're like, if it's between like giving somebody something that's
actually going to help them but hurt them, or like
a joke or entertainment, I'm always opting for the first one.
And I remember I was thinking myself, I'm like, dude,
I'm almost always going for the joke there, and and
like you said it very intensely at the time, and
you know, that's just right on a queue for you.
Speaker 1: So that's why the only some of the people who
are closest to me in my life see the funny
because it's there.
Speaker 3: I just don't.
Speaker 1: We've got to get past a lot. There's a lot
in category one. If we get past all that, Yeah,
there's plenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's yeah, okay, yeah, and there is the see
the funny, then the way that me and Lindsay do
where we find some of your quirks ridiculous. But then
there's the sea of the funny where you're actually trying to
be funny. And you're right, there's very you gotta you
gotta earn that one. You got to go through a
few phases like that's like fourth phase of Garrett Garrett's
Personal Bloods course. Anyways, all right, so gee today, man,
I feel like today is us developing players for the
Kingdom of God. Like we are Praise the Lord, Praise
the Lord. That's what we're here to do is to
literally help people grow closer to the Lord and you know,
transform their lives and be all that God made them
to be. That's literally why we exist. And this is
like player development. This is a key one. How to
deal with uncertainty, man, Like so many people, uncertainty breaks them.
It is and we're gonna get this. I'm actually excited.
I don't want to give at the.
Speaker 1: You know, you could retitle this of how to walk
through life, how to deal with life that life is uncertainty.
And Nick and when Nick and I were first talking
about this podcast, I was thinking, you know, this is
a lot a lot of people want to be able
to deal with uncertainty, but they're like a basketball player
or want to be a basketball player. Then maybe they're
great at free throws, Like, man, why am I not
good at basketball?
Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot more to.
Speaker 1: It than that, And I think I look at uncertainty
the same way. There isn't what we're going to talk
about today. There's a set of skills. There's a way
of thinking that if you can capture all of these things,
it doesn't mean that you win every game, right, but
there are a set of skills that more than just
shooting free throws. If you know how to dribble, if
you know how to read the court, all these things.
Don't ask me to list the skills of what makes
a great basketball player, I don't know what they are.
Speaker 2: Surprising didn't go a great soldier? You have a little
bit more expected.
Speaker 1: Well, I try to be more relatable, and that's not
that's not but I'm not going to pontificate on the
skills of basketball player. But the poet is there are
a set of skills that when you can gather these
it doesn't mean you win every game, right, it will
mean that you win lots of game.
Speaker 2: Yes, it makes it more likely. And that's so like
fun fact. I actually when I was over in England,
one of the things I decided to do that gave
me great hope for returning to America was I was like,
I've hated it over here. How do I take all
my misery and turn it into something good? Like my
strategic mind was still working back then, even though I
was a broken man, and I decided, I was like,
you know what I'm gonna do. I have access. I've
been playing soccer over here. I have access to all
this stuff. Why don't I get some English like FA
Football Association certification courses and coaching and take that back
to America Because I'd be a hug advantage to be
an American who actually has like European training. And I
was right, and it helped until they found out that
I did marketing, and then I just ended.
Speaker 1: Up right back to speaking of soccer. World Cup soccer
saw a really funny joke on Instagram the other day.
Speaker 2: Things I did not expect you to say.
Speaker 1: Somebody said, every country that loses to the US and the.
Speaker 3: World Cup has to call it soccer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that would be well, Australia already call
it soccer. They're the soccer Ruse and then Paraguay you
know that be that'd be a tough one. Turkey's coming
up next as well anyways. But in so because I
know about soccer, because I got trained over there, and
we're talking about training players. What you said about basketball
is one hundred percent right the way the FA have
broken it down, because like, think about like this, and
this is a question that you and I talk about.
If you're going to develop somebody from like, hey, you know,
I don't really know a lot, or I have some things.
Maybe I have a bunch of potential, which is all
of us as kids. How do you develop somebody like
that into being world class? The military are like the
best at training in the world.
Speaker 1: They can tell you you've got to be able to
do this, this, this, and this, and that's what people want.
And the difference between I can I can talk about
the same for a soldier or as they as people
who know athletes would talk about them. It's like, look,
these guys are a ten out of ten and all
of these things maybe a nine and one, and then
they're a ten and a half or eleven in this
one thing that is distinguisher between them and everybody else.
Speaker 2: Yep, and that's yeah, and that's exactly it. So in
soccer they break it down to technical, which is like,
you know, all the stuff with your touches on the ball,
your ball control, your passing ability, shooting, all that sort
of stuff, the stuff you expect. Then they go tactical,
which is like how well do you understand the game.
And that's where a lot of you at different age
groups you focus on different things, and you have physical
same thing, like you're not making if you're a good
soccer coach, you're not talking about doing wind sprints with
like your six, seven, eight, nine year olds, right Like
you're going to get into that stuff when they're like twelve,
like thirteen, fourteen, because now physical conditioning and older becomes bigger.
And then the psychological side same thing. It's very super.
Speaker 3: Great would your seven year old team be though if.
Speaker 2: Well, if they couldn't dribble the ball, they wouldn't be
very great. They'd be really good at running, and then
the first time they had to kick the ball would
go flying off somewhere else, right.
Speaker 3: But they'd get there first.
Speaker 2: Well, if the ball was still in the field of
play man, Dude, that don't be a soccer coach. This
is just classic Garrett, like, here's what's been proven. I disagree, Okay, anyways,
but they have those four areas, and so you work
on different parts of then depending on the age group,
and ultimately when you get to the top level, like
you said, you're looking at what a guy is in
each of these and like some players they're so good,
like technically and tactically, but mentally they're marshmallows and guess what,
they don't go very far. It's a massive part. So anyways,
we're giving you I want to lay that out because
it's when you start to think that way, it's like, man,
what do we need to train you today? We're going
to give you the skills you need. We're going to
talk about like uncertainty, the way God works. It's it's
it's awesome. So gee, there is a you know, sometimes
I'll all ask people like, hey, what do you want? Right,
and people will like if I have a good place
to start, it's a great what do you well? And
but it's a harder question for people to answer than
you think. Now, here's the people who are true, who
are honest, who are very honest on what they're saying,
and they just give you the thought process. Oftentimes they'll
go like, well I think this, but and then they'll
start telling you but I wouldn't know how this, and
I don't want to have to do that, and I
don't know who could do this, and I don't even
so what are they getting into the how? Automatically? The
uncertain The uncertainty blocks most people from even being able
to speak to the what. And we love our man
Victor Frankel, who's said the man with a why can
it do almost anyhow? I know it's Nietzsche, but we
like Frankle better. Yes, And that is like the how
is what stops so many people because they want to know.
And you know, how is why I get paid as
a marketing consult because people be like, we want to
make this, how do we do it? And I go
dive into their numbers and I go, okay, yeah, here's
what we can do.
Speaker 1: You got to see it also, again, there's just some
perspective flipping for you. You've got to look at it is.
That's what makes the game exciting, right, because think about
if if just equate life to sports for a second. Okay,
what if Nick, for you, your life was the equivalent
of you playing Elijah in basketball, That'd be awesome. I'll
be winning every time. There's no excitement in that. Like
if if you really looked at it as like this
is what, this is what my life, you'd actually be
you'd become depressed.
Speaker 2: It's the story you told about that that Hitchcock thing
where the guy went absolutely Yeah, the guy goes in
the casino.
Speaker 1: Anyone's every time, So why can't I, you know, lose sometimes?
That's part of what makes game fun of what makes
it exciting. Yeah, if you know, like not have high confidence,
if you know you can win, why even play?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it's a great point, and that's that's
a good way of looking people.
Speaker 1: I think they want that and then they get it
and they're like, well, I don't want to play anymore.
Speaker 2: We're not very good at knowing what's actually good for us.
Speaker 3: That's the point I was making.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I like when you realize that, I think
it's a very empowering piece of humble Pie to eat
is like you go. You know what, maybe I don't
really know what's best for me. Like as a society,
if you step back, I say, these people all the time.
In America, the number one killer every single year g
heart disease, largely from people who are overweight. Now, if
you ask anybody on the streets what makes you overweight,
most people are going to say eating unhealthy food and
being inactive. It's not like a secret. And yet we
still can't seem to stop ourselves from doing this basic thing.
Like as human beings, we are not great at knowing
what's good for us. Most of us would rather consume
a real on Instagram that means nothing rather than watch
something that's actually going to help us grow.
Speaker 3: You've got to look at it.
Speaker 1: There's I'm blanking on the reference for this, but it's
someone I'm forgetting who said it. But someone summarized their
life as do as much good as I can to
as many people as I can, for as long as
I can. Yeah, right, that's all action, Like I want
to do good versus that should be what you want
in life instead of well, I just want to have
everyone be in agreement that I'm a good person.
Speaker 2: Right, let's feel good do good as opposed to feel.
Speaker 1: Good, right, And so the point being, if you had
the certainty a lot of people, well now I feel
good about myself, but you still didn't do anything. You
didn't help anybody, you didn't love anybody, you didn't use
your life. Well, you didn't deploy the skills and the
talents that God gave you to do those things to
do good. To deploy the skill good that God gave you,
You're gonna have to walk through some uncertainty, for sure.
Speaker 2: So very good, gee. Uncertainty is a must, and you
need to understand this is not like mine and Garrett's pinion.
God actually works this way, like I guarantee you uncertainty.
So if you have a problem with uncertainty, this is
great because this is an opportunity for you to grow
in God. And we're going to give you a few examples.
God will always give you one step at a time.
He does not reveal every single thing, and we're gonna
give you a few examples. We could go through this exhaustily,
but we would literally just be going through almost every
Bible story there is, So I'm just gonna give you
two big ones. Luke twenty four to forty nine, Jesus
is getting ready to leave the earth. Now, imagine like
for most of us, if we were going to give,
if we knew these guys are going to go change
the world, like literally they're going to change the world,
most people from naturally would want to give an ex
like an amount of instruction that would be far too
much for anyone to keep. You probably wouldn't because you
know how people work, and I've heard you give instructions
to people and you're very good at delivering them. But
for the vast majority of us, we'd bay and then
you need to do this, and then don't worry. Remember,
don't do this watch out for like it would be
so over top. Here's what Jesus says. I'm going to
send you what my father has promised, but stay in
the city until you have been clothed with power from
on high. Okay, well, hey, Jesus, what's going to happen
When we get there, you'll be clothed with power from
on high. They like he had said that the Holy
Spirit is going to come, and that was it. It
was like, basically, go in there, when the Holy Spirit comes,
what's going to happen. He's going to guide you to
all truth. He's gonna convict the world's sin. He talks
about what the Holy Spirit does in other parts, but
that's his instruction, and then go make disciples.
Speaker 3: One of the.
Speaker 1: Things you learn in the military is how to communicate
with brevity.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: As a j Tech Joint Ternal Aircraft controller, one of
the jobs that I had dropping munitions, you learn how
to talk to pilots and you go to this whole
school to do it. And one of the things they
teach you to say to the pilots, because the pilots
are experts in their bombs and missiles.
Speaker 3: I know a lot about them. The pilots know about
more about them than me.
Speaker 1: And one of the things they teach us to communicate
is desired effects.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Don't tell them what to do or how to do it,
to say, here's what I need you to make happen, right, Right,
I want to I want to kill the people inside
of this building.
Speaker 3: That's desired effects. Right.
Speaker 1: I want to flatten the building. I don't want the
build building to be there anymore. That's desired effects.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Instead of saying, you know, I want to use this
missile or this bomb with an angle delivery or a
vertical No, no, no, let them determine that, right, just really clear,
this is what I want you to make happen, that,
you know, asking for desired effects. One of those things
that they taught us was if I know this is
what this relates to what Jesus is saying in this scripture.
If I say wait for my signal, you might be like, well,
what's the signal? But if I know I'm going to
use a really clear signal like a flair, you'll know
right versus well, you know, go here and it's going
to come from this direction, and it's going to be
read and it's gonna be no, no, no, I know that
if I give a really clear signal, you'll understand what
I mean when I say wait for my signal.
Speaker 3: Very good.
Speaker 2: Ye's that's good man. I like that. But but one
going back to one step in a time is like,
it's so it's not what we want, but it is
how God works, like we said, and I get that
what you're saying, I mean, when it's unmistakable, it's like
the spirit's just taking a long one step time. Well,
let's look at a guy who was the greatest born
among men that's according to Jesus, and was born with
the Holy Spirit from birth. Okay, John the Baptist John
one thirty one through thirty four. Literally he was like
he prepared the way before Jesus and announced to the
world that he was the Messiah, before Jesus was even
known as the Messiah. I myself did not know him,
But the reason I came that baptizing with water was
that he might be revealed to Israel. Then John gave
this testimony. I saw the Spirit come down from heaven
as a dove and remain on him, And I myself
did not know him, but the one who sent me
to baptize with water told me, and that was the
Holy Spirit. The man on whom you see the spirit
come down and remain is the one who will baptize
with the Holy Spirit. I've seen and I testify that
this is God's chosen one. Like he's known as John
the Baptist. Why was he baptizing because that was what
he was instructed to do? And then you'll know. But
can't you just tell me this was his cousin right, Like,
But why can't you just tell me? Because that's not
how God works. And this is what we're saying to you,
like a big part of surrender, a big part of submission,
of actually living your life for God and fulfilling the
purposes that He has and truly like walking with God
is that you need to know. You're not going to know,
and if you need to know, it will hold you back,
You will miss your purpose wanting to know. Think, look
at the Israelites. They're so big, you know, like, oh,
we're grasshoppers in their eyes. What could we do to them? Well, man,
first of all, I mean we're going to get into
some of what I could. I could get into some
of the more there, but like you can miss it
because you.
Speaker 1: Need to know if sometimes that over communication of details
and you're saying this to me, you're saying, look, I've
seen you communicate. You know how to communicate well, because
if I try to like make you a human puppet,
I'm actually going to get the least out of you,
right Versus I need to you know, communicate, simply give
desired effects, tell you what I need you to do,
and then let you work on the rest.
Speaker 3: That is for your best. It's also for the best
for your growth.
Speaker 1: And I want you to accomplish the right objective, understand
what the thing is that you're supposed to do, and
then have the time and the space to use your
skills instead of me trying to make you do something.
Speaker 3: This is one of the hardest things.
Speaker 1: That leaders have to deal with, by the way, is
that and this is the difference between leadership and management.
Management is trying to make everybody do what I would
do right. Leadership is learning how to work with people
and get a team that's great, and get a team
to like, look, you're not me, but here's how you
and you and you together can accomplish this great instate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's really good.
Speaker 3: Gee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because and you know what, anybody that's worked for
a manager, it'll if you have an ounce of ability,
it'll drive you crazy.
Speaker 3: Again desired effects, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I was talked to somebody about this recently. So
many leaders that I've worked with in companies that I
work with, they don't trust their people, and they have
their people are giving them the right answers, but because
it's not what they necessarily think it should be, they
don't trust them. And so you're right. They are managers
who are in leadership positions and it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, if you go to in
and out, the desired effects is really clear.
Speaker 3: They have a lot of repeatability. Yeah, and they also
have I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure I've never worked an in and out, but I'm
sure it is very clear steps of how you do
every single thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if I was a manager and in and out
with a young person who said like, well, why can't
we do this?
Speaker 3: And well let's try it?
Speaker 1: Do you think if because they have a clear desired
effects and clear steps, right, there's probably not better steps,
but that would be a great education for that person
to realize, oh, you come to you came to the
conclusion these steps are the best way to get to
those desired effects. And if you can learn those things,
you might just might be able to come up with
some things that could improve it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, bro, those burners can't be improved on.
So you know, it's all you in and out workers
out there listening. Don't try anything new. Okay, you've unlocked
the form of person.
Speaker 1: But but point being coming back to the John the
Baptist scripture, you know, why didn't God just tell John like, hey,
you're you're John Jesus's cousin, right, Not John the Baptist,
You're John Jesus's cousin. What we always want in our
life and I was what I was bashing on earlier,
always want certainty, but certainty is a limiting factor in
our lives. You think it's what you want, but it's
actually not the case. It's not what God's going to
give you. Because you've got to remember, what does God
want really for all of us? God didn't God doesn't
need any of us to do anything as as his children.
What God wants most for us is to grow us
and develop us.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: And so if he tells you, if he makes you
a puppet, tells you step by step, controls you through
every process, what did you actually do now? Because then
God's like, what I could have just done it myself.
The point is God doesn't want to show you everything.
He wants to show you what's next. And that's that
is the difference between clarity and certainty. Clarity is having
faith in God and seeing, Okay, here's the next thing
that I need to do. This is how the Holy
Spirit guides us, Jesus said, And the.
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit will lead.
Speaker 1: It will remind you of my commands and lead you
and guide you. Never said the Holy Spirit will give
you the full plan, So the Holy Spirit will help
you understand what's next.
Speaker 3: That's the way that God works with us.
Speaker 1: So that's don't get stick on saying, you know, God,
I want you to show me everything, show me the
big picture. What's you know step A or you know
step one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. No,
God's just going to show you what the next step is.
That's wanting God to give you the staircase, and He's
not going to do that. God's just going to show
you what the next step is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you're praying out there, pray for clarity,
but then understand that what's going to unlock the next
step after you get clarity is obedience. Like if God
shows you to do something once again, John the Baptist,
great example of the disciples, another example. We could go
through this from Abraham all the way through the entire Bible,
and but like it's really obedience that he's training you in.
Speaker 1: And I won't go along on it here. But the
way that we've taught on clarity before m h like
as it relates to purpose, I always ask people who
are followers of Christ who are struggling with clarity, said,
do you know the difference between a sin and what's
not a sin?
Speaker 3: Right? Most of the time the answer is like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I know, like Holy Spirit convicts me and what a
sin is, Well, that's same voice that helps to understand
what's the sin and what's not a sin. The more
you listen to that, and the closer relationship you get
with the voice that's helping you understand what's sin and
what's not sin, what is the same thing that's going
to answer every question of clarity for you? Where you
where the voice that helps you understand what's sin and
what's not sin. If you have a close relationship with
that voice and it's not answering you, it's because.
Speaker 3: It's up to you.
Speaker 2: Very good man, very very good.
Speaker 3: The Holy Spirit is not going to.
Speaker 1: Like if this is you know, like where where as
a person where God say like, this is what I
want you to do? Okay, and then you go, well,
Holy Spirit, am I supposed to do this? Holy spiritual
is going to look at you like, bro, we've had
this conversation already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time for you to trust in God. Yeah, man,
that's so good man. Now, at least to my actual
life scripture. Your your life scripture, for the record, is
not faithful are the ones of a friend, although you
know it's on the list, But my actual life scripture
is probably three five and six. It's trusting the Lord
with all your hearts. What we're saying, lean on your
own understanding, give up your need for certainty in all
your ways, submit to him, and then what he will
make your pas straight. We talk about that as like
that's like the path of the formula for purpose as well.
Speaker 3: I was getting after that one hard.
Speaker 1: A couple of Saturdays ago, we did a great segment
at Mighty Men called faith maxing cultural reference to a
different way of thinking that you may know what I'm
referring to. If not, that's okay, you'll just miss the joke.
But faith maxing, that's really the way that you should live.
In Proverbs three five and six doesn't say trust in
the Lord with some of your heart. It's all your heart,
lean not on your own understanding. That means you lean
on his understanding in all your ways, submit to him.
Speaker 3: Then he'll make your pastory. Yeah, that's the process.
Speaker 1: And so if you want a note like if you
want certainty, you can have certainty in who God is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and man, we're going to get more into that.
So I'm just going to put a pin in that,
so do We're going to give people a little bit
of the mindset here, and then we're going to go
into the skills that you need really to be so
to walk through uncertainty. But this is something we do
in mindset Master and I didn't tell you this, Actually
I think you met him. We had a listener that's
that was listening to podcast and this happens a lot,
and they come to Mighty Man because if they're in
the DFW aans and I love it. They come and
we always love meeting themselves.
Speaker 1: If you guys, if you live in the DFW area
and you're listening to this podcast, that's where Nick and
I live. Yeah, every Saturday, Nick and I are at
Mighty Men in Frisco, Texas, come be with us. I
was just given the guys at Mighty Men a hard time.
Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, if you guys come to Mighty
Men and you don't listen to my podcast, you're missing it.
Nick and I spend so much time pouring into this.
It's like a companion to Mighty Men. I'm not saying
that to four hundred guys in the audience to pat
our numbers because at this point, what did we do
for downloads last month?
Speaker 2: One hundred and sixty five thousand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if no one that might have been listened, wouldn't
make a difference, right right. It was the same thing
I was saying to them, Hey, you should really listen
to be listening to the podcast. Same thing I would
say to any podcast listeners who live and listen or
live in the DFW area, you should really come to
Mighty Men. And for all of you who don't live
in the DFW area, feel free to come visit us anytime.
Speaker 2: Which we have people that do and I love that man,
I just think it's so cool. By so we're gonna go.
This is what we do in Mindset Mastery. We'll always
give the mindset before we break into the understanding, and
when we give very specific tools and the application, we
go way deeper on that than what we're able to
do on the podcast because we focus on one thing
for a whole month. It was really cool, actually, so Brandal,
so shout out to brand because I know you're listening.
He's a guy who's coming from Yeah, he met you.
We were talking about how he speaks math as well.
I was like, oh, you streak Garrison nay tongue because
he's an engineer. Well, he was saying to me. He's like, like,
we we ran out of time to talk yesterday. But
he's like, man, he's like, maybe another time I can
just tell you how great mindset master he's been. I'm like, oh,
I didn't realize, Like I didn't know you were in
there with us, and I was like, what was what's
been so great about? He's like, dude, that ideal you
thing you guys did in identity, He's like, I mean
like you could see his whole face light up. He's
like that just unlocked me so much. And so I
love hearing that, man, because it's like, you know, like
what you said right there where you had me share
the downloads so people know we're not doing this for
personal investment.
Speaker 3: Like we weren't.
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear we're not. Like we both
have jobs that pay for our families well being, and
we reinvest like virtually everything back into this podcast because
we want to help people. It's why we started, it's
why we're still going. But so when you hear somebody
and you realize that it's having the desired effect, first
of all, it's like, God, you're so good because you're
using what we're doing. And second of all, it's just
like it's encouraging. Like I always love getting messages from people,
even now as they become more frequent, I never take
it for granted because I just feel like it's like
it's the encouragement that, like God is working through what
we're doing, which is all we want. So say all
that's say, mindset master is awesome, Come join.
Speaker 3: Us, yep.
Speaker 1: And in mindset mastery, this is some of the framework
we'll follow on the other topics, correct, and so we
decided to use that on this topic today.
Speaker 2: So give us the belief it's.
Speaker 3: Mindset, skill set tool set. We're going to spend.
Speaker 1: The meat of today's episode is going to be the
skills for managing uncertainty. Let me give you some mindset
before we get into that.
Speaker 3: Which is my favorite part.
Speaker 1: Soccer Nick Nick has been a gift in my life,
you know, because I remember talking about it. If you
go back and listen to the early episodes. One of
the references I would use is like, well, if I
was gonna, if I was gonna help you get in shape,
I'd spend the majority of my time helping you think
about how to get in shape, not like you can
download a fitness plan.
Speaker 3: I watched a lot of guys do all.
Speaker 1: Of the skills of becoming an Avy seal and did
a terrible job of becoming Navy seals. Right, mindset is
so important, It's where I want to spend a lot
of my time. But skills are important too, And somehow
I weave the mindset into the skills. Dude, Yeah, I
mean you weave mindset into everything, which is great. But
here's the mindset before we get into the skills. We
break mindset into three categories. Beliefs, desires, and understanding. Won't
cover understanding on this, but beliefs. Okay, here's some beliefs
you've got to have if you want to manage uncertainty.
If you beliefs again, beliefs. We have a definition for beliefs.
It's a we spend an entire you know, we talk
about a ton of the podcast, a lot of mindset mastery.
The definition for beliefs things that I know are true
but can't prove. Okay, there's there's actual little little that
you can prove in life, prove from a scientific standpoint, verifiable, demonstratable,
and repeatable. For example, I cannot prove to you scientifically
that God exists. I can, however, give you a great
amount of evidence, but verifiable, demonstrable, repeatable. There are a
few things that you can actually prove in that way.
So beliefs are the things that you look at your
life and say, I've examined the evidence, and this is
where I stand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. Number one.
Speaker 1: Right, just some beliefs here. God is a purpose for
my life. I say it all the time. I tell
it to people all the time. If you come to
Mighty Men, you hear it every Saturday. It's one of
the most important things you can know is that God
has a great plan for your life. If you don't
know that, if you don't believe that, you will struggle
to deal with uncertainty. You will chase certainty your whole life,
because if you don't trust anyone, if you don't trust God,
if you don't trust anyone your whole life, you're going
to be afraid of what you can't control, and that's
a scary life. Yeah, so that's also understanding. You know,
if God is a great plan for my life, you
can extrapolate that into God made me to win.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It may not be, you know, the victory that I
thought it was going to be, but that means God
has a victory for you, very good. And let me
just extrapolate that even further. One of my favorite characters
in the Bible is David, Okay, and like he's you know,
before Jesus, besides David, I mean, besides Jesus, David's like
basically the chosen one. Yeah, you know for sure where
God was like, this is you guys want to see
a man.
Speaker 3: This is my man.
Speaker 1: He says, he's the man after God's own heart. God
loved David, and David did not win every battle in life,
which I think is interesting to think about. Like God
didn't say, here's my chosen one, who bat a thousand?
Oh yeah, that's not who he was trying. And so
just like Christ is who we're trying to be, David
is also a model for a life. Now, David is sinful.
Christ was not. We aspire to be like Christ in that,
but you want to have a heart like David as well.
And again, just one of the things I think is
so interesting is that David didn't win every battle. A
belief that you should have in your life is that
you don't have to win every battle to be successful.
If you think you have to win every battle, some
of the skills that we talk about for uncertainty will
help you. It's probably not going to kill you if
you lose one time in your life, well or multiple times,
because because I'm being physical.
Speaker 2: I know you are. But beliefs are always tied to actions.
And like you can say whatever you want about your belief,
your actions are what you actually believe. And so some
people like you say I don't have to win every
battle to be successful. Most people be like, well, yeah,
of course, but what do they do the first time
things go wrong? I must be doing something wrong. I
didn't win.
Speaker 1: No, well, and people hide themselves up wrongly into like
if I if this is my last chance, If I
lose this one, I'm dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're telling me that DJ kald was a liar.
Speaker 1: All I do is win, win, win, No, you don't,
so you know, belief is understanding. I don't have to
win every battle to be successful. I'll take that further
into here's what you should but leave. What you should
believe is that success is living your values right, which
is another way of saying success is controlling what you
can control. I'm going to give all the things I
can't control to God. I'm going to win in life
like It'll be an objective win and a subjective when
I'm going to win in life by controlling what I
can control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a process based action. If success is
living your values, well, things aren't going very well, what
are your values? This, this, and this, Well, then just
keep on doing them and that even in the midst
of getting not the results that I want. And if
things going bad, yes, that is actual success.
Speaker 1: And then this is not so much a belief. More
is that this is kind of an attitude. This is
an attitude that I live with, which is you know,
I when I was twenty three years old, I thought
I had taken my last breath, and it changed the
way I looked at the rest of my life. I
wasn't going to take any day for granted, wasn't going
to take a breath for granted. And you should just
have this attitud in life that you're out of time. Yeah,
and chasing certainty. You'll spend a lot of time waiting around.
You'll waste your life, you'll waste your potential, and you'll
waste great outcomes. Some of the great things that people
accomplish in life they didn't know they were going to
win before they did it. And if you just spend
your life, well, you know, I'll take that step when
I know exactly what's going to happen. You're going to
waste your life, You're gonna waste your potential, and you
just got to know that you're out of time.
Speaker 2: It's one of the things I love so much about
when we had John Bavian talking about the King is coming.
When you actually have that understanding of the end aka
of an eternal perspective, Christ is coming back. We are
going to have to give an answer for our lives,
like we need to be ready prepared, on watch and
be those that are living in holiness pursuing Him. When
you have that, you can't wait to do that until tomorrow.
Like it's it is that the urgency is massively underrated.
Speaker 1: As to comes to said, be not like those whose
hearts are filled with fear of death. Yeah, but that's
most people live their lives waiting and praying, asking or
they get to the end of their lives asking for
a little more time, wishing they could have done things differently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the biggest takeaways I've had. Somebody asked
me about this, They said, so, what are you doing
differently since Rihon had her like near death? You know
whole thing? I said, you know, what's what I'm actually
I hadn't really thought about it, but I'm really proud
of We didn't change a single thing. Literally, we didn't
change anything. We just as soon as she was well again,
you know, it was just like all right, let's get
back to work. And like I'm I'm I'm. I won't
say proud of that, but like I look at that
and go, yeah, because we don't live our lives, you know,
wasting time. So that was a big one.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: What the desires, Gene.
Speaker 3: What one desire? This is?
Speaker 1: You know what where you are in life is. I
could list a lot, but we're just going to do one.
Where you are in life is a result of what
you want. What matters to you? What are you chasing after?
What do you want and to deal with uncertainty. To
be another way I say it is a chaos navigator.
If you're going to be a chaos navigator, you've got
to want to be an overcomer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like one of my self described identities is chaos navigator
and odds to fire. I've wanted to be that person,
and I've become that person. I've spoken it into existence.
You've got to want to be an overcomer. If you
want to be the safety guy, the certainty guy, you
can become that these skills aren't for you. They're not
going to help you. You've got to be someone who says,
you know what, I want to be the one that
God can trust. I want to be the one that
can be counted on. I want to be the one
that can have honor and obedience and integrity on the
battlefield in the midst of all the chaos. If you
want to be that person, that's who God wants you
to be. If you want to be someone who can
be trusted, you've got to want to be an overcomer.
And an overcomer is not someone it's not being Superman, right,
it's dealing with uncertainty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So good man and it's and who doesn't want that?
I was flashing back to the greatest introduction I ever
heard whenever you said, and I've told the stories, I'll
be very brief, but you taught. You showed me more
about what identity looks like in your introduction than I
could have ever hoped for when you said I'm a
chaos navigator, strategic thinker, and odds to fire and because
of that, I do. And then you listed off your jobs.
Whereas every person before you had talked about We said, Hey,
tell us a little bit about your life. Give us
an update. They say, well, I'm John, I'm married, I
am an accountant, right, And like, those are those I
am statements really show you without them realizing it, how
they're seeing themselves in an identity And he said, no, No,
what I am is like good in any n Another way,
there's the rooms I chose because of it.
Speaker 1: Right, Because another way of saying identity is who you are?
Who are you if everything's taken away from you?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 1: Right, because you can being an accountant can be taken
away from you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what's so great about shows like Survivor, right,
because people come from all these different things and then
you throw them on an island and you're like, hey,
we just gave you a completely different game.
Speaker 1: I was just when I was in Paris with the guys.
You you and I didn't. I forgot to tell you this.
You and Lindsay are going to laugh. John from my
team was was getting at me about like, well, could
you what's the biggest animal? You know you could fight
without any weapons. So we got into this this he's
a great discussion.
Speaker 3: We got into this.
Speaker 1: Lineup questioning and he's just laughing and he's like, do
you think you would win on the show Naked and Afraid?
I was like, John, you know they don't let like
Navy seals down kill that show.
Speaker 3: Of course you would.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now the animal fights.
Speaker 1: Thing is like, it's like you think you could make it?
I was like, the only the only thing that would
keep me from uh succeeding on Naked and Afraid is
can I find fresh water?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Like the other than that? It's and I said, and
I probably wouldn't go on that show because it's not
enough money. But if it wasn't enough money, I would
go on that show. And as long as I can
find fresh water, I'm just fry. I don't even have
to eat for twenty one days, right.
Speaker 2: Well, and what he doesn't also he also doesn't realize
that you have a classification system for animals, like I've like,
and you've heard if you pay attention to this podcast,
you will hear we're going to use it today. Yeah,
of how Garrett looks at animals, because he'll be like, no,
that this like you said, I can't remember how cap
he'll laugh.
Speaker 1: He started, he was like going through the animals, and
I was like, John, just scratch any animal off the
list that weighs less than me.
Speaker 2: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, are you sure there's like no animal?
I said there's one. I said, there's one animal, yep.
And I said it's the honey badger yep. And he's like, well,
what would happen? I said, well, what would actually happen
is just like out of honor, we would both like,
you know, we can't kill each other, and you know
it's just scar separate ways.
Speaker 3: You know you can't kill me.
Speaker 2: Wolverine might be in that list as well, which is
like a cousin of the they are nasty animals anyways,
But that's a whole other conversation. That's hilarious, John, Just
just you know, you might as well just jump straight
to Grizzy Bear next time, bro, because you're wasting your
time anyways, a r G. Now we're here, let's give people.
So these are the skills, Like we say, we're developing
players for the God, for the Kingdom of God to
like win in advance and do what you were put.
Speaker 3: On the earth to do.
Speaker 2: But you're gonna have to deal with certainty, uncertainty. G
what are the skills they need?
Speaker 1: Okay, So the way we're looking at this is like
we said in the beginning. You know, I'm not not
a pro athlete, but it's like a pro athlete's list
of skills. Whether it's soccer or baseball or football or
whatever it is you play, there's a list of skills.
If you're really great at one of them, it's good.
It's better than not being great at anything. If you're
really great at one of them, that doesn't mean you're
gonna be great at playing the game. You really need
all of these, or at least some understanding of all
of these. Being really strong at one and okay, at
a few of them, you're gonna be able to play
the game. But you've got to have all of these
skills and at least some metric, right. So number one,
this is one of the most important important skills. This
is like a hustle as an athlete, Like, if you
have no sense of hustle, you're gonna be terrible at
playing the game. Number one core skill is courage and faith, right,
And I'm putting those kind of in the same category
obviously those of you who listen this podcast a good amount.
Speaker 3: No, that's where courage is supposed to come from. From faith.
Speaker 1: I'm just simplifying it and putting them both in the
same category. I'm not gonna use this episode to like
teach each of these because we have other episodes where
you talked about these. Really, what today we're doing today
is putting a system together some of them I'll give
a little bit more explanation to. I'm not going to
spend a ton of time explaining courage and faith. But
with all of these skills, I have a question. There's
a question to kind of simplify this skill, and the
question of skill number one courage and faith is what
are you putting your trust in?
Speaker 3: Right man?
Speaker 1: Because that's going to reflect how you deal with uncertainty
what you put your trust in. If you put your
trust in you, you will chase certainty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this man, that is such a deep heart question,
and you've got to be real with yourself. Man like
faith will unlock grace. And I put a scripture of this.
It's Ephesians two eight. It says, for it is by
grace you have been saved right, which is God's favorites,
God's enablement to do. And it says through faith, and
this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.
What is so amazing about faith is that it is
basically believing God at his word. So many people will
feel like they have to and out faith, and oftentimes
that's because they're trying to make something true that God
didn't say. What actual faith is is God said it,
and I believe it. When you believe what God says,
there is a grace that enables you. And I will
tell you it's knowing in your knower. This grace will
help you to be more confident, more bold, more certain
about where God's leading than you can even imagine. I'll
reference back to the experience of my wife when my
wife was, you know, when I was driving her to
the er and I'm saying Psalms one twenty one, I
lift up my eyes to the mountains. From where's my
help come from? The Lord, the maker of heaven and earth.
I was just trusting God. I'm like, Lord, you are
where my help comes from. And that whole experience of
walking through it and knowing like having zero fear and
knowing that God was with me, and the enablement of grace.
That grace is not just for life and death moments.
As you read through the New Testament, grace is literally
the way that we do all things. You know talks
about grace upon grace. That does not come from like, well,
you know, God just made it easy. It comes from like,
you believe God, you take him at his word and
from their grace and a you to do. So that
question of what you're putting your trust in, that's why
you put that as the first skill, because if you're
putting your trust in yourself or in some fallacy idea
of God that you think it will fall apart and
you will not be able to do it it is
that is a core core question. Man.
Speaker 3: Courage.
Speaker 1: Courage comes from faith, Yeah, without any courage, you're going
to be a loser on the battlefield. Yeah, I can't
say it any more than that. And this is the
one quality.
Speaker 3: I think it's C. S.
Speaker 1: Lewis who said courage is the one quality that enables
all the other virtues.
Speaker 3: And that's how it.
Speaker 1: Like, if I look at a like soldiers from recruiting soldiers,
I'm going to look for obedience and courage.
Speaker 3: If you've got that, I can help you.
Speaker 1: With everything else in the same way, Like what is
dealing with uncertainty?
Speaker 3: Is managing life? Right?
Speaker 2: If you're a coward, life is hard? Yeah, I say
that to my kids all the time. I say, kids,
you want to make life harder?
Speaker 3: Be weak?
Speaker 2: You want to you want to be better.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: It's become like the greatest, not curse word, but like
the worst thing you can be.
Speaker 2: We don't don't be weak. Stick Uncle Garrett. Stickers are
in my kids' hands like they have those for like
those healthy reminders.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's keep going. Number two. Skill number two. These
are the skills you need if you want to deal
with uncertainty in life. Skill number two emotional control. This
is the ability to manage yourself.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is so.
Speaker 1: Being in in Paris recently was interesting. Actually, I had
a really good time. I will say I went in
with low expectations. Hey, that's like, do you should do that?
You know, when you travel, go with low expectations. We
were in I was in Paris for a week at
a big defense show and went in with low expectations.
I will say the hotel room that we stayed at.
This is me being bougie for a second. Why is
everything so small?
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I mean that's Europe in a nutshell.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I felt like I was in a white collar
prison cell. Yeah, like so so tiny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, any anyways, in Paris it was it was
a little warm.
Speaker 3: They said it was a little warm for Paris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no ac out there. They're not able to
so it was pretty toasty. But the point I was
going to make, as it relates to emotional control, is
like with temperature, you want to be someone who it's like,
I'm fine when it's hot, I'm fine when it's cold.
If you are, you know, I'm a healthy person. But
for people in Paris who expect the weather to be
great all the time, or people who come from the
states who can't exist without air conditioning. Yeah, and you
go to these places who are hot, you fall apart,
you lose, like I can't like we can't even go
to work or do anything. No one wants to travel.
It's just it's too hot. We just give up, we
just quit. That's what emotions are. Emotions are like the weather,
and you have to have this ability to operate in
any temperature. You have to learn how to manage, and
so emotional control is like, hey man, these are things
that are really making me angry right now, but the
weather's not in control. I can I can walk in
the rain, i can go outside when it's blistering heat.
I'm gonna I'm gonna sweat, I'm gonna feel it, but
I'll still do my job just the same.
Speaker 3: And that's most people.
Speaker 1: When it gets really hot, all they can do is
complain about it, and they won't go back to doing
what they were doing before until the weather comes down again.
Speaker 2: Now that sounds really like I think that's a perfect analogy.
But make sure you apply this to what we're talking
about today as you're listening to what Garrett's saying, because
what this looks like for a lot of people. When
we've talked about this on other episodes, fear is actually
controlling you and you have no idea. It's like somebody's
turned up the air conditioning and you're really cold and
you don't know and you don't even know it, and
so you're you're dealing with things completely different, like man,
I'm shivering, but I'm still trying to do things and
my hand's not as steady. Why is it? Well, it's
because the temperature is not right and that and that's
where the deception of emotions can absolutely crush you. Is
you're like you're not seeing things right and you don't
even know it, so like like you want to make
something hard, be afraid right, It's like like it goes
back to what you said on number one, the perfect.
Speaker 1: The question of emotional control is am I seeing this clearly?
Speaker 3: Right? Again? If you're letting think about going.
Speaker 1: To Paris, if you only got had one time to go,
and it's like you can't even enjoy being at the
Eiffel Tower because it's so hot, I mean, yeah, you're
not seeing things clearly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty warm in the loof right. Got
to love that.
Speaker 1: Won't waste time talking about that experience just blew me away.
But if if you're missed, like think about missing the
loof because it's.
Speaker 2: Hot, it's I mean, that sounds really lame. Sounds lame.
Speaker 1: So the question of emotional control is am I seeing
this clearly a skill? Not all of these I'm going
to sign a skill too, but like the the skill
of emotional control is the ability to separate feelings from facts. Yeah, right,
and so like just take the take the heat, the temperature, like, Okay,
this is a feeling, but it doesn't change what the
Eiffel Tower is, doesn't change whatever this special experience is.
I've got to be able to set these things aside
and compartmentalize and manage them differently. And we've done a
lot of other episodes on emotional control, and just a
reminder of the tools we've talked about, the Big four
what the Navy Seals call the Big four. That's a
tool that you can use to manage emotional control. You've
got to sometimes just learn how to. One of the
most powerful tools you have is just to pause, just like,
calm down for a second. Don't let stop letting your
emotions rule you, stopletting life or the clock or anything
else push you forward. When you pause, you remember I'm
in control. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: One of the best examples I've heard from Pastor Josh
and Pastor Keith says this is, I mean, your emotions
are like lenses. So like if you're looking at a lemon,
and let's say you have these emotions that make you sad,
so you put on blue lenses. What color is a lemon? Now? Gee,
what's green? No, the lemon is still yellow. It looks
green to you because you have a set of blue lenses.
Speaker 3: Off.
Speaker 2: If you would remove the lenses, aka be able to
understand that your emotions are shading things, you would see
it for what it actually is. And I think that
that's such a perfect way of understanding what emotions will
do for you. So the question you said, of am
I seeing this clearly?
Speaker 3: Perfect?
Speaker 2: Question? Man, So good. That's number three.
Speaker 1: Number three is value clarity. Okay, when you're dealing with
uncertainty in life, you want to be able to hear
the question is what's actually at stake here? Because a
lot of people deal with uncertainty and just like everything
is the boogeyman, Like, yeah, I don't know what's going
to happen here, and I don't know how to deal
with anything that I don't know what's going to happen here.
And so these are some tools that help you frame
in and box in your uncertainty and be like, well,
I may not know what's going to happen here, but
I know that the worst thing that's going to happen
is well, I mean, I guess. For example, Okay, Lindsay's car,
her battery died and I jumped in and the battery
died again, and I didn't know what the problem was.
Speaker 3: Look, we just got to take it to the dealership.
I said.
Speaker 1: It could be a bad battery. Could be also been
was having an issue with the back latch in her car.
There could be in an electrical short circuit, something that
keeps training the battery. Her alternator could have died. There's
a whole list of things. And I could say, oh
my gosh, you know the car and freak out about
like what is this going to cost me? Well, I
can pretty much box in the uncertainty here. It's financial
and worst case this could be a few thousand dollars, right, Okay,
So instead of having this, Lindsay got a little frustrated
with cars, Like, Babe, it's not a big deal. The
worst thing that's going to happen is this, and it's
just stuff and it's just money. Next, right, we're going
to move on from this thing. Yeah, I took you
know what could be? Well, what's gonna happen if this,
what's gonna happen to this? I just realized nothing, This
isn't very valuable. And so value clarity is looking at
any uncertainty in your life and understanding what is actually
at stake. Now that doesn't you know, a car and
you know, some money stuff that's not as big of
a deal. You may have some things that are really important,
like your family or your life, or your purpose and
the meaning of your life. But to manage uncertainty, you
need to put it into a clear box of Okay,
this is what's actually at stake. Because fear will start, like,
fear will throw everything at the wall. Yeah, Like you're
gonna get sick and die and be poor and no
one will like you and your family.
Speaker 3: Will hate you. Like, that's not the case. You just
need to be.
Speaker 1: Able to classify. It's really important that you can classify
what's actually at stake.
Speaker 3: Here. That's a piece of it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna build three, four, and five together here.
But number three is just value clarity. What's actually at stake?
Speaker 2: Well, I think what's so good is I think these
are all building on each other without I don't know
if you necessarily yeah, because because what will happen. I
hear what you're saying about that a lot of people
will catastrophize that exact situation, like because you know, there's
a lot of people who live on a type margin
or they live paycheck to paycheck, and so they would go, oh, man,
if I have to pay for like let's say I
take it to the car and it's two thousand dollars,
I don't know what I'm to do. So I'm gonna
have to use a credit card and then I'm gonna
get hit with interest and then it's gonna take us
months and then Johnny's birthday is coming up, and now
we're not gonna be and like this story has just
run away? What did they fail on Number two? Emotional control?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Like they're allowing fear in the what if story to
catastrophize everything and it runs way out of control and
it's so common. It's so common that like what you
said was like, look, worst case, it's the money. It's
it's some money, and it's a possession. For a lot
of people, that would be like just a crushing oh no, oh,
I can't believe this happened. And like, so value clarity
is really having your values in the right order, because
what you gave is an eternal thing. It's like, look,
it's it's you know, it's the worst case, it's money
in a car.
Speaker 1: I tried to break down all of these skills in
a way that people say, well, like that's really simple,
and that one thing can't make my uncertainty go away.
That's the entire point. When we get through all of
these skills, when we get through all seven skills, if
you can do all seven of these, you will make
uncertainty go away. Now, value clarity by itself just understanding
what's at stake, it's like, well that doesn't that doesn't
take the fear away. But when you can do all
of these, that's when it really will break it down.
Speaker 2: Well, let's keep going.
Speaker 1: So number four, right, so three value clarity, what's actually
at stake? My life at stake? Here is some money
at stake here a small amount of reputational risk. What's
actually at stake? You know, family, mission, health, integrity, finances,
all these things. Okay, But number four is threat assessment.
I said we were going to get into the animal
categorization here. I came up with just a small animal categorization.
I could probably make a more complex one, but you
could definitely make it more complex one. Okay, but number
four threat assessment. You've got to look at the uncertainty
and determine what kind of threat am I actually dealing.
Speaker 3: With this here?
Speaker 1: And so I've got four different threat categories, just to
simplify it for you. Number one, I would call this
a threat that is a mosquito. Okay, this is something
that is likely going to happen. It's very annoying, but
it's not going to kill you. Right And on these
types of things you should only spend minimal effort.
Speaker 3: Avoiding them, right.
Speaker 1: Am I gonna let mosquitos get between me and what
God called me to do? We're like, oh, I don't
want to go. There could be mosquitoes. Mosquitoes suck. I
hate mosquitoes. I have the mt HFR gene which makes
me low in b vitamins, and I'm type of blood
which makes those two things together. I'm a like beacon
of light in the darkness for mosquitoes. For whatever reason,
I'm tasty, right, but that's not gonna That's not gonna
keep me from doing I'm supposed to be doing. Okay, mosquitoes.
That's one type of threat, and you've got to be
able to look at like what you're facing and say,
what am I really dealing with here? As all the
mosquito can do is just cause it. It's probably gonna happen,
and it's going to cause a slight annoyance. Okay, don't
spend a lot of effort trying to avoid that.
Speaker 3: Do what you can, you.
Speaker 1: Know, put some you know, vanilla essential oil on or
whatever what you can do, but then just move on right.
Speaker 3: Second type of threat I would.
Speaker 1: This is a snake, okay, and what are snakes? Snakes
are dangerous, but you know what I can do. I
can just outrun a snake. I can jump over a snake.
I can walk around a snake. It's really interesting. I
won't go deep into it, but there's a lot of
psychological neurological patterning research around humans and one of the
distinct qualities in the human brain is its ability to
identify snakes, right, Like, that's interesting, Yeah, when.
Speaker 3: You like, are.
Speaker 1: They they looked at like brain and neurological ability and
saw like humans brains and eyes have an uncanny ability
to detect snakes, huh, which is like, so there's yeah,
there's a spiritual coincidence to all of that, not a
coincidence at all. But like animals don't have the same
pattern recognition for seeing snakes. They are not with their eyes, right,
Animals will find them in different ways, but for humans,
with their eyes they see snakes. Like everyone, you look
at stuff and you see a snake. Okay, so we're
we have a great ability to avoid snakes. That can
also turn into like a massive fearishness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, But.
Speaker 1: It's had to say a snake is not a grizzly bear.
I don't want to get bit by a snake. But
you don't get bit by snake, Like people don't get
bit by snakes very often just on accident you were
somewhere you shouldn't have been doing something you shouldn't have
been doing, or like even people who get bit by
rattlesnakes rattlesnakes, for example, are the easiest ones to avoid
getting bitten by. Yea, and they want to let you know,
they'll tell you yeah, okay, And the only people who've
died by rattlesnakes are people who like, you're on your
hands and knees, crawling on the ground through a place
that you shouldn't be crawling, probably, and you take a
strike from a rattlesnake, like in your torso or in
your neck, you're gonna die most.
Speaker 3: Likely, Like you get bit in the leg. We got
to get you to the hospital.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a terrible next few weeks for you,
but you're gonna be okay, right, Okay, But again, most
of the time there's some type of snakes that will
kill you really quick, but a lot of snakes not.
Speaker 3: Gonna kill you, very avoidable. Okay.
Speaker 1: So look at these types of threats and things like, yeah,
that really sucks, but.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm probably not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I can, And I can also avoid it
unless I'm just a dummy and walk up and put
my foot in front of it. I'm probably not gonna
get bit by that, right, Okay. So again, snakes are bad,
but it's probably not gonna get me. And there's a
lot I can do to not get gop.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I remember we're applying these to uncertain things.
So like people will put things like I find a
lot of times people will will talk about like, oh,
but we'd be homeless, and I'll say them, I'm bike,
do you really think there's no one that would take
you in? Like you know what I mean? Like that
that's to me, it would be like a snake for
people like, yes, there is potential that you could, you could,
but that is largely avoidable. So like remember when when
Garret's classifying these as animals, I want to make sure
that you like the thing with your wife's car. Some
people like, well, I don't want to have to do
the maintenance on things. And it's like, look, if you're
building a business or building an organization, or doing something
that God's called you to do, there's an element of
maintenance that's gonna be a mosquito. Like you're gonna have
employees quit, You're gonna have to hire more. Like that's
the mosquito. You shouldn't avoid growth because because of stuff
like that.
Speaker 1: But actually I'd put my wife's car in this next category.
Oh would you okay, this is a coyote all right? Okay,
cracks me up. When so we I live in the
prosperous Lina area and I'll see in the fakes or
Lindsay will show me, Like in the Facebook pages for
our neighborhoods, people like talking about coyotes like their wolves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like these they're going to come. They're going to
ransack our homes. They're stealing our kids.
Speaker 2: Ever observe coyotes as well stealing our kids.
Speaker 1: Coyotes kill the largest animals that coyotes kill our baby deer, right, okay. Now,
people will tell you these stories. It will tell you
these stories of you know, coyotes could take down this
animal and take down this animal. And then I ask
those people how much time you spend in the woods, right,
exactly right, yeah, because they don't spend any time in
the woods. I've killed lots of coyotes. I've seen lots
of coyotes. Now, if I describe a coyote to you,
it can it runs long distances, it can sprint I
think twenty to twenty five miles, and it's faster than you. Yeah,
has has sharp teeth and claws. Now, when I describe
the thing to you, they're like, oh gosh, this is
a wolf in person. Like if I put you, if
I stuck you in the backyard with a coyote, they're
very unscary. Yeah, only if you back that thing into it.
They're scared of humans. Correct, Hey they want to get away?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because they weigh about twenty pounds, they are incredibly Now
they have like I've seen coyotes before with mange, Like
a good healthy coyote looks like a fifty pound animal, right,
because they have they when they have a really good
when they've been eating well and they're healthy. They have
a big coat makes them look way bigger than they
are because they have like husky type. For ye, remember
I killed one with you. I remember that's the first
time you ever come describing it for you. I'm describing
it for the audience.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I was just remind I just want to get that
in there, because it was the first time you ever
complimented me with a weapon. Anyways, So actually the only time.
Speaker 1: But coyotes, I've seen one with mange where their their
hides all jacked up and it looks like it's a
large cat. They weigh about twenty to twenty five pounds.
They're not that big. Coyotes eat rabbits.
Speaker 3: I am not a rabbit. There you go.
Speaker 1: But so I said to say, there's some threats, some
dangers that it's like, okay, when you like list it
out on you list all the features on paper, it
sounds dangerous. But we just like put some reality on here,
like for example, my wife's cards like car can't start,
I'm not at home, she's there by herself, doesn't have
a working car. Right, it needed a new battery. Right,
it was a few years old.
Speaker 3: Put a new battery in the car. Car's doing great.
Speaker 1: And I have dozens of family and close friends who
all live in the same neighborhood who could help Lindsey
with anything if it was an emergency.
Speaker 2: I remember, this is threat assessment. You're categorizing threats. So
you've got the mosquito, the snake, the coyote.
Speaker 1: What's the So just the distinguishing category of coyote sounds
really scary when you describe it, very unscary in reality, right,
very good. And then the last category, these are threats
that Okay, this is a grizzly bear. This is a
real threat, right, This is very dangerous now that you're
not you You either need to use a lot of
intelligence and strategy to avoid the grizzly bear, or you
can also kill one if you're a certain type of
person and you have the resources.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What I know is if just facing reality here, if
Garrett wants to kill a grizzly bear, I need.
Speaker 2: A large caliber rifle, yeah, or ten miniter with two
in a grain bullet. I've been researching this. I'm getting ready, man,
I'm gonna be out there. Got a story tell you
when we get off air. Great, So that there are
real threats. Grizzly bear is a real threat.
Speaker 1: And there's plenty that you can do to avoid it
if you but you put yourself in the wrong situation,
the wrong scenario.
Speaker 3: You're going to lose that battle. Yeah, right, You're gonna
lose that battle. So there are threats that are very real.
Speaker 1: But just be able to classify them and not be like,
oh it's you know, a lot of your problems in life,
for coyotes are just little ankle byers. Yeah, And if
you will have a little bit more courage, you could
punt that thing across the room?
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good?
Speaker 3: Gee?
Speaker 2: All right, So that was number four was threat assessment.
What's number five?
Speaker 1: Number five is risk calculation? Okay, so I said three, four,
and five. I kind of put all these together. Yeah,
but I wanted to define the separate pieces. So number
three is value clarity. What's actually at stake here, right,
is my life at stake? Number four is threat assessment.
Is this a mosquito? Is this a coyote? Is this
a grizzly bear? And then number five is risk calculation,
And this is how likely is this to happen? How
likely is it to happen, and how bad would.
Speaker 3: It be if it did.
Speaker 1: This is I mean, the skill or the way that
I want you to think about this is think probability,
not possibility, right, yeah, Okay. For example, you can go
on a hike in Oklahoma. Okay, Oklahoma has black bears, right,
they don't get very big. You're probably not going to
see one. What is the probability of getting eaten by
a black bear in Oklahoma? If you did some research,
you would find it to be zero.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So risk calculation is looking at some of the unknowns,
and i'd being oh my gosh, there's black bears here.
It's saying, oh great, the probability is near zero that
I would get eaten by a black bear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's yeah. I mean that's once again was that.
I guess that's where you've got to have.
Speaker 1: The emotional control to be able to look at this
and say, what am I actually dealing with. One of
the things they taught us is like, I had a
job for a while that was one of the most
dangerous jobs on the planet, and they taught us how
to do great risk mitigation, which is, Okay, what is
the malfunction you could face, what's the likelihood that you
can face this thing? And what's going to happen if
it happens. All the ones that said death, let's pay
attention to those. Then it's how likely is it to happen?
And that determines the level of time and resource we
put into trying to mitigate that thing. There's some things
that I can't do anything about, Like what's the mitigation
for getting.
Speaker 3: Struck by lightning? Low?
Speaker 1: Right, It's not a lot I can do avoid being
in a thunderstorm.
Speaker 2: Don't go out with a steel pole and a lightning
storm right, But.
Speaker 1: Then there was other things that you know, when you're
jumping out of airplanes, if you get a certain type
of malfunction, there's a little training that we had to
have and that's also why we had a backup parachute, right,
and I had a knife and other things to manage
these problems. But risk calculation, how likely is this thing
to happen? A lot of people catastrophize like extremely low
probability situations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very good man. It really catch that last part.
You could tastrophize low probability situations. Have a word with yourself.
Very good. Gee, all right, we got two more.
Speaker 3: What are they? Number six is urgency assessment. Okay.
Speaker 1: The question of urgency assessment is how much time do
I have a lot of people will take those catastrophes,
and it is like it's like that scene in Austin
Powers the guy stands in front of the cement roller.
It's like no, stop, no, and it's like you have
lots of time to get out of the way. People
look at their lives and they act this way, right,
like here's the thing you're gonna die one day your life?
Actually is the scene in Austoin Powers with the cement roller.
You've got plenty of time to deal with it. You
shouldn't be panicking about something that is really far away.
And in the same sense with catastrophes in your life,
you spend all this time, like hyper meditating on this
dangerous scenario that's probably low probability in the first place.
And if it does happen, it's not happening tomorrow, it's
not even happening next month. But you're obsessed with it
like it's gonna, you know, jump on you as soon
as you close your eyes, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: And that's so you broke it down into how much
time you said immediate, short term, medium term, long term,
And I mean you're also said like you're out of
time previously. But and we're saying, like, hey, you know, realistically,
the likelihood because once again you said probability, not possibility.
Probability is that people in America are going to live
to be between seventy eight and eighty years old. That's
the probability of it. So when you're looking at some
of these things, you have to go look, let's say
you did take a risk and you had a bankruptcy
in your thirties. Okay, I mean, it would be hard,
but like you said, it's not like you run out
of money and you just die, right, It's like, okay,
and you have more connections, you have more skills.
Speaker 1: Well, And I've talked to people before that they're like, man,
I'm going to go bankrupt. And I asked them, was like.
Speaker 3: We talked through its, like where are you actually.
Speaker 1: At in your business? And I'm like, bro, you're barely
like you have thirty day aged accounts receivable right right?
Like yeah, and I said how much? Like how much
do you have on credit cards? What do you have
in the bank right now? I'm like, bro, you're like
in month two of two months in a row of
bad business. You're not going to go bankrupt. You need
to make some changes right now. Okay, You're good. You
start catastrophizing about a situation that's way further away than
you think it is. Like the immediacy of bankruptcy is
like I've got to throw a Hail Mary tomorrow or
it's all over right, Like I've already I've gone way
past negotiations. I have lawsuits with financial deadlines in them
and it's either now or ever. Yeah, right, that's way
different case. Than you know the person that I was
talking to in their situation. So it's really just zooming. Yes,
it may be painful, it may be annoying, it may
be really scary, but that grizzly bears a.
Speaker 3: Thousand yards away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me give you an actual practical scripture that
and application for urgency assessment. It says zeal without knowledge
is not good, right what that means? So I had
a guy who's in a similar situation. He was really
worried about his finances, and I said, how much do
you know about the about the bankruptcy process? And he said,
I don't know a lot. I said, you need to
go find out what you're actually dealing with, because right
now you're putting trust in the story that's in your
head that's not based on anything true, which is what
you just said about the other person. So if you're
sitting there going like, oh, I don't know, I don't
know how urgency is, get as much knowledge as you can.
It's amazing how one you like what you just said
is because you actually know what bankruptcy looks like. And
and suddenly you go like, oh, nowhere near that great, so.
Speaker 1: Side it's not as bad as you think it is
that grizzly bears a thousand yards away. Yeah, right, So
you've got to learn how to navigate all these situations.
And again, if you're just in emotion land, like you're like,
oh my gosh, there's a grizzly bear way over there,
we're gonna die. No, he doesn't even know you're here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now you gave a skill and a tool on this one.
You said, let's do that before we.
Speaker 1: Move on to the final The skill of urgency assessment
is to separate urgency.
Speaker 3: Which is related to time, from emotional pressure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, if you have a huge just stanley of grizzly
bear analogy for a second. If you have a huge
fear of grizzly bears, say you know someone who was
killed by grizzly Yeah, like you, you're like extremely triggered
by grizzly bears. That grizzly bear that's a thousand yards
away would be freaking you out a ton, correct, And
that would be the difference between the urgency and emotional pressure.
Right right, You've got and that's why you know, one
of the early skills we talked about is emotional control
and then tool One of the tools that will help,
like take a lot of the emotional pressure off of
urgency is to set a timeline to decide. Yeah, it's like,
this is a terrible situation. This I'm in a really
bad spot, but I had you know, it's Wednesday and
I've got till Friday at five to make a decision.
So I'm going to use the time that I have
to plan, prepare, make calls see if I can mitigate
or reduce some of the difficulty of this situation. I'm
not gonna, you know, act right now is if I'm
going to die in five minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I remember, we gave the beliefs before this
for a purpose. Like if you believe that God's made
you to win and God has a plan and purpose
for your life, it's gonna shade so much that like
we could tastrophize and we allow these things to dictate
to us and then we take action, which is in
direct contrast to the beliefs we gave, which is why
we gave that. Like the things that you know but
you can't prove if you really know, God's with me. God,
God has put me on this earth for a purpose.
I'm here to win any time colernel game right, which
means it may not go the way I think it's
going to go now. As matter of fact, it's definitely
not going to but I know that I'm going to win.
How would you act so much different? And that's what
we're saying that beliefs are tied to action. So like
a lot of these, whenever you're giving these skills underpinned
by those beliefs, it's like, well, yeah, heck yeah, makes
a lot of sense. If you don't actually have those beliefs,
it's well, you know, i'd like it to be true.
Can you show it to me? You can, I'll believe
it when I see it. Okay, you've already lost. So
we've gone through six g you we's number seven.
Speaker 1: Last skill here again, you've got If you have all
of these, your ability to manage uncertainty is going to
be great. And I'll just take you back to the beginning.
You've got to have this core of courage. You've got
to have this core of faith that comes down to
God is a plan for my life?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because you've got.
Speaker 1: I'm reminding that not just says we're coming to the
end here, but for this last one when it comes
to decision making, which is skill number seven. You're going
to make decisions sometimes, and it's like, I've done it
everything I know to do. I'm having as much emotional
control and wisdom as I can have in the situation,
and I don't know what's right right, And so if
I don't know what's right and neither situation is sinful,
and I've done all I can do to prepare, then
I'm gonna pray and trust God, and I'm gonna make
a decision, okay, because I know indecision is one of
the worst decisions that I can make.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna make a decision.
Speaker 1: And when I do, when I make a decision, here's
something I have to deal with stuff like this a lot. Yeah,
And when I make decisions, I say, a lot of
people will tell me what decisions I have to make,
but I will assess what decision actually has to be
made right now, and whether I'm working with consultants or
my team or myself on an issue, I will try
to break it down to I'm not trying to solve
world hunger in this moment, because sometimes I can feel
what it's like when you're dealing with a problem saying, no,
what is the only decision I have that I have
to make right now? Clearly define what decision needs to
be made right now. Don't try to deal with will
all the Well, if I make this decision, then I'm
I have to do this, I'm then'n have to do this.
I'm gonna have to do this. No, that next decision,
you can take another lap. You can go through all
of this cycle again, and there's things that can change
between now and then, and sometimes like it's bad decision
versus bad decision. Yeah, Option A and B are both bad,
and you're looking all the way down the road on
both of those from your current situation and saying these
are both bad. Both these I'm gonna drive off of
the cliff. Well, one of those decisions is me driving
off of a cliff. I am planning for someone to
pick me up before I drive off of the cliff,
and option A gives me a little bit more runway,
so I'm gonna go in that direction because someone's gonna
pick me up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But again, the point being is to look at your
decision making process and understand what do I have to
really decide right now? Not thirty seven problems I have
to solve all at once, right, So just simplify your
decision making.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a skill. I mean identifying the next
decision that needs to be made and not looking at
everything because like too much choice is almost as bad
as having no choice, right, because and we don't believe
in no choice. But you know what I mean, It's
like like sometimes people are paralyzed by the options.
Speaker 1: It's what we talked about in the beginning. In the beginning,
it's what's next versus trying to see the entire staircase correct, right.
If you want to be able to deal with uncertainty,
the ultimate is.
Speaker 3: You've got to have faith.
Speaker 1: You've got to have a sense of courage, which is
going to come from understanding God is a plan for
your life, believing that you were made to win, Knowing
that I can deal with really difficult stuff in life
and I don't have to win every single, every single
battle in life.
Speaker 3: David didn't win every battle. Right. God wants to use me,
and I want to be used. I'm going to be an.
Speaker 1: Overcomer in life. So I'm going to learn how to
trust in God. If I can't trust in God, I'm
going to trust in myself, and that's a bad recipe.
Then I'm going to be able to manage my emotions.
I've got to be able to separate facts from feelings.
I'm going to learn how to assign value to the
challenges that I'm dealing with instead of let everything be
a level ten issue, not every issue. Choose a level
ten issue. Not every threat that I face is a
level ten threat. Most of the things that you're fighting
against they're not grizzly bears. Stop letting mosquitoes rule your life.
Learn how to determine how much time do I have
when am I going to make this decision? What decision
really needs to be made right now? And if you
can do these things, doesn't mean you're going to win
every battle, but you're going to learn how to deal
with uncertainty.
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