Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What?
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: I welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, I got
Speaker 3: the same people that were with me in part one.
Speaker 3: I got my partner in crime, Lisa, the Occult reject
Speaker 3: med scientists joining us. I also got Jin the ninja
Speaker 3: from Threshold Saints, and I got jj Vance not the
Speaker 3: vice president. If you want to check out all of
Speaker 3: their stuff, their links are in the bottom. And the
Speaker 3: guest of the hour of the episode today again Heidi, Heidi.
Speaker 3: In case there's people who are catching you for the
Speaker 3: first time, which if they are highly suggested to go
Speaker 3: back to part one. But if you're going to continue
Speaker 3: to listen, Heidi, would you like to let everybody know
Speaker 3: kind of what your deal is and where they can
Speaker 3: find all your work?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 1: You bet? You guys have such better names than me.
Speaker 1: I'm Heidi Love. My parents actually named me that. That's
Speaker 1: like my real name, and so that's what I go
Speaker 1: by because why not, right, I Mean, they were kind
Speaker 1: of crazy hippies, so why not keep it? And I
Speaker 1: am at the Unfiltered Rise podcast. I'm everywhere podcasts are served.
Speaker 1: I do a plethora of things on there, but for
Speaker 1: my stuff if you search me out, because you probably
Speaker 1: won't see too much of my stuff on my own
Speaker 1: channel because that's weird, and you'll just have to look
Speaker 1: for my name and my podcast. And I talk a
Speaker 1: lot about the Mormon Church because I was one, and
Speaker 1: I grew up in it, I was born in it.
Speaker 1: My family's pioneer Mormons kind of got a hit piece
Speaker 1: done on me for saying Mormon royalty. What I mean
Speaker 1: is my family was royalty and then they came here
Speaker 1: and they were Mormon, not like Mormon Royalty of the Mormons.
Speaker 1: I guess they did need to clarify that. So there's that.
Speaker 1: And today we're going to talk about some more of
Speaker 1: Howard Hughes and exactly how the Mormon Church always seems
Speaker 1: to be everywhere we turnaround. Oh yes, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for having me on ELL.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. No, this is an amazing, amazing story.
Speaker 3: And like again, people haven't caught part one. Please stuff
Speaker 3: from there, you know, but this is definitely going to
Speaker 3: be a spider web, and from what I'm guessing, probably
Speaker 3: at least three to four parts.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it goes. So this one today will be
Speaker 1: more circled around like early days Mayhew, and then we're
Speaker 1: going to get into Watergate and then after that, and
Speaker 1: Watergate's so important to this whole picture because and also
Speaker 1: Howard Hughes's death and so when you talk about Howard
Speaker 1: Hughes's death, what is like the ramifications afterward?
Speaker 4: Where does the money go? Who gets all that it?
Speaker 1: And it also involves Mormons because of course it does.
Speaker 1: So I'm present here in one second. Let me get
Speaker 1: this screen ready, And it's an interesting dive I never
Speaker 1: expected to go down. So that's kind of a fun
Speaker 1: piece of it too, just because.
Speaker 4: You never know where it's going to take you.
Speaker 1: It got weird. So that's that's all I know.
Speaker 4: So I've got that pulled up. I'm gonna send present.
Speaker 5: I know one thing we discussed last time, Hattie was,
Speaker 5: you know, one of the questions you pointed out was
Speaker 5: kind of the question mark surrounding whether or not Howard
Speaker 5: Hughes with some sort of spook or CIA operative, you know.
Speaker 5: And I know we discussed the Glomar ship in the
Speaker 5: last last podcast, which I think that's a traffic because
Speaker 5: that's where the term glom Lomar response comes from.
Speaker 6: I belief in regards to freedom of information, I requests.
Speaker 1: Right, And I do think it's super interesting that he
Speaker 1: was kind of obsessed with Atlantis. And then if you
Speaker 1: look at the name and and look at where that
Speaker 1: comes from, like the project that they called it, and
Speaker 1: it's an Atlantean project, and so I just I just
Speaker 1: think it's very strange.
Speaker 4: I didn't bring that one with me, but.
Speaker 1: It is definitely a name of Atlantis, and so I
Speaker 1: just find it weird that not Glomar they called it.
Speaker 1: What was the name of that the actual project? Do
Speaker 1: you remember, jj.
Speaker 6: Oh, I don't remember the actual project.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's it right there. Yes, that is an Atlantean term.
Speaker 1: And so I do think Howard Hughes was dialed in.
Speaker 1: I do think he has the knowledge of like what
Speaker 1: people would like to see in the future released, and
Speaker 1: I do think it's going to play into today and
Speaker 1: so like our day and age, not this presentation, although
Speaker 1: it does. And so can you guys see this slide
Speaker 1: okay for sumacor yes, okay? Perfect. So a little bit
Speaker 1: about Hughes and what happened on our last one is
Speaker 1: we were kind of wrapping up with it, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the agents for the Mayhew kind of organization
Speaker 1: which he gets labeled into the Mormon mafia, and he's
Speaker 1: not a Mormon, so it's kind of fun. But he
Speaker 1: was a very big spy and he was excessively dialed
Speaker 1: in when we talk about hits, yeah, and so he
Speaker 1: was very dirty, completely involved in also the Bay of Pigs,
Speaker 1: which is super important, and he does have Watergate ties
Speaker 1: as well. So we'll get kind of talk with him
Speaker 1: a little bit today, but not as much. He's going
Speaker 1: to come up from time to time, but he's not
Speaker 1: the main focus because he was kind of the last time.
Speaker 1: But Assumer Corporation was kind of this thing that they
Speaker 1: all fought over and it was funny because Howard Hughes
Speaker 1: owned it, but he did he wasn't on his own board,
Speaker 1: and so it kind of changes company hands a lot,
Speaker 1: and Mayhew at one point was running it and then
Speaker 1: Gay ends up running it and he's the Mormon guy
Speaker 1: and so it gets interesting. But Mayhew never goes away.
Speaker 1: May Hugh's too big to go away. He's kind of
Speaker 1: the too big to guys. So summacor wanted to. They
Speaker 1: kind of had all of which Suma is also means
Speaker 1: the top it means, and he had another like a
Speaker 1: housing development in the area, kind of the same thing
Speaker 1: as Mount Olympus, and it was called something Suma's Something,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is funny, little travel over,
Speaker 1: but that's just a little tangent. So Sumacor owned all
Speaker 1: of his corporations underneath of it, and he was getting
Speaker 1: killed in taxes. He was just desperate to get out
Speaker 1: from underneath the tax levies that he had, and he
Speaker 1: didn't quite know how to do it. And so this
Speaker 1: guy Bennett comes into the picture heavier on this episode.
Speaker 1: And Bennett, we talked a tiny bit about last time,
Speaker 1: and there's a book out and can you still see
Speaker 1: me a little bit? I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: see this book, but Age of Secrets and Gerald Bellett
Speaker 1: is the one that was dictated to But this is
Speaker 1: John Meyer's diary and he is a huge player in
Speaker 1: this case, and he kind of blew He blew the
Speaker 1: lid off everything on this and so everybody else kind
Speaker 1: of kept their secrets and pay prosecuted him and tried
Speaker 1: to throw him in prison for murder. So I think
Speaker 1: he was just sick of it. And that's how this
Speaker 1: whole story kind of comes out because Bennett never did
Speaker 1: come clean, not even during Watergate did he come clean,
Speaker 1: and so we don't get this information until super Way
Speaker 1: later on Bennett and Bennett is a principal client at
Speaker 1: the time of the Watergate scandal, but he also was
Speaker 1: completely involved in the whole Howard Hughes business, in fact
Speaker 1: being a part of SUMA Corporation himself at times. He
Speaker 1: also was a twenty five year or twenty three year
Speaker 1: Senate grandson, so his not grandson, his dad was in
Speaker 1: the Senate, I believe, and then he went in the Senate.
Speaker 1: And then he's also the grandson of Heber J. Grant,
Speaker 1: and so that's important when you're talking in profits. And
Speaker 1: he was as an LDS church chaplain from nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: seven to nineteen sixty nine in the Utah Army National Guard,
Speaker 1: and he became president of this Robert Mullen Company, and
Speaker 1: the Robert Mullen Company is going to become very important
Speaker 1: when we get into this Watergate situation because it's basically
Speaker 1: a CIA front for companies, Okay. And he's also kind
Speaker 1: of trying to work for Hughes under the level to
Speaker 1: help him get somehow a tax deduction Okay, some way
Speaker 1: he can stop getting completely raped for taxes, which I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, I don't blame him, and people love Bob
Speaker 1: Bennett and I hate to talk about him. And this
Speaker 1: is when he becomes a senator himself, and I mean
Speaker 1: I hated. I'm not talking bad about him, just some
Speaker 1: of his decisions are interesting. And that's because honestly, he
Speaker 1: was in the CIA and nobody knew, and he couldn't
Speaker 1: tell the truth. He didn't even tell the truth later
Speaker 1: when he's in all the Watergate hearings, like it doesn't
Speaker 1: come out for a really long time. And during that time,
Speaker 1: he served in the Army National Guard as a chaplain.
Speaker 1: He actually was scouted out and was a part of
Speaker 1: the CIA, but nobody knew this, like nobody. They just
Speaker 1: thought he might be an asset or something. And then
Speaker 1: he becomes integral into Howard Hughes because, like I said,
Speaker 1: he takes over PR relations director for the summacor nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy four to seventy eight.
Speaker 4: He also secretly worked under George Bush for the CIA.
Speaker 4: So remember George Bush there, because that's going to be important.
Speaker 4: And he used this CIA front company.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's a pr Agency, especially for guess who.
Speaker 1: And this is going to tie in to our friend
Speaker 1: Justin who I missed desperately. He's great the Mormon Tabino
Speaker 1: Go choir. So he also doesn't have a whole ton
Speaker 1: of employees, but one of his employees is super fun guy.
Speaker 6: It's E.
Speaker 1: Howard Hunt, right, So once you get Howard Hunt in there,
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, he purchased this company. He gives you
Speaker 1: know this E. Howard Hunt a job. Basically he also
Speaker 1: gives Richard Holmes. It's all this stuff. Like it's basically
Speaker 1: just cia guys and they're all older at this point
Speaker 1: and kind of doing their thing. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: like I said, he's trying to everybody is trying to
Speaker 1: help Hughes get some sort of tax break. So he's
Speaker 1: still helping even though he's doing his thing. Because Mullen
Speaker 1: Company is not on its own, it's definitely under Hughes.
Speaker 1: It's still kind of owned through that and we still
Speaker 1: have May Hugh and he's still putting bugs in everybody's
Speaker 1: ears for Hughes. And the thing about Hughes is is
Speaker 1: he is literally desperate to do two things in his life.
Speaker 1: Number one, get the tax break number two, stop the
Speaker 1: Atomic Energy Commission from blowing shit up. Okay, And that's
Speaker 1: because you know, Howard Hughes had Jack Parsons work for him.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys knew that for a time.
Speaker 1: Not only Jack Parsons, but he had this guy and
Speaker 1: he's great. Let me find this paper that worked for him.
Speaker 1: This guy, so he makes this time machine, he says,
Speaker 1: and if you look at the symbol, JJ, I'm actually
Speaker 1: glad you're here today. This was his pamphlet for this
Speaker 1: whole nonprofit organization. It's kind of like a religious scientific experiment.
Speaker 1: I'm going to find it.
Speaker 5: Is this that this is that location in the in
Speaker 5: the California desert like the gravitron.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, and his name is Van something.
Speaker 1: I gotta find it.
Speaker 4: But for a long time there, yes, and it still
Speaker 4: they still go there.
Speaker 1: They did, I think, tear that down, but they still
Speaker 1: go out there and do the whole like channeling bit.
Speaker 1: And the funny thing about this guy is very close
Speaker 1: with Howard Hughes. And listen to this story. He's not
Speaker 1: a Mormon, but he says this and an angel came
Speaker 1: to him. I've heard this story before.
Speaker 4: JJ, has too, and told him to.
Speaker 1: Stop blowing shit up basically and make this machine. And
Speaker 1: this was gonna rejuvenate and like basically time travel people
Speaker 1: backwards so that they could be more youthful. And Howard
Speaker 1: Hughes was kind of obsessed with stuff like this because
Speaker 1: he'd been sickly half of his life.
Speaker 4: I mean, like now he's kind of sickly in a more.
Speaker 1: Well, I question, self inflicted way, but we'll just leave
Speaker 1: it self inflicted for.
Speaker 4: Now with his drug habit. But he had a ton
Speaker 4: of pain.
Speaker 1: He had crashed a lot of times, but even as
Speaker 1: a kid, he had multiple ailments. So you know, when
Speaker 1: we talk about this and the integratron, I'm sure he's
Speaker 1: one hundred percent listening.
Speaker 4: But basically, you know that Crowley said these.
Speaker 1: Bombs kind of open things, and Parsons also talked about this,
Speaker 1: and I think they are just trying to shut the door.
Speaker 1: And he's like obsessed with this, and that's where John
Speaker 1: Meyer comes in. He literally hires John Meyer to petition
Speaker 1: and go about following through to the Atomic Energy Commission
Speaker 1: to stop this because he's so upset by it. He's
Speaker 1: just like it can't continue. These people started to church
Speaker 1: over it. You can see there insignia is it's strange
Speaker 1: and they all kind of and Hughes paid for that
Speaker 1: to be done, all of it. Van Tassel there it
Speaker 1: is okay. So Van Tassel does this for him under
Speaker 1: all of this money, and Hughes is just obsessed with
Speaker 1: that and the taxing, so the taxing doesn't go away
Speaker 1: for a long time.
Speaker 4: And finally he decides, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, through Mayhew and through Moulin company, he decides
Speaker 1: he's going to petition these people and pay them off, okay.
Speaker 1: And when he does this, it causes serious problems. I
Speaker 1: dare say it causes more problems for him than the
Speaker 1: actual like break in and the whole thing, like it's
Speaker 1: it's just blows up in his face. And Don Nixon,
Speaker 1: his brother, is a big part of where this started
Speaker 1: because originally he takes a quarter million dollar loan from Hughes,
Speaker 1: the loan that never had to be paid back, and
Speaker 1: this becomes part of the scandal, and then it goes
Speaker 1: into a whole nother thing which we all know with
Speaker 1: Watergate that he was also paid more money underneath Hughes
Speaker 1: for his re election campaign.
Speaker 4: But this reelection campaign was like a shell campaign.
Speaker 1: There was like none there was no proof that it
Speaker 1: was really happening, or like where the money really went
Speaker 1: or nothing about it was. Okay, a guess who organizes
Speaker 1: this whole campaign for him? Two guesses? Because I have
Speaker 1: named two.
Speaker 3: Anybody want to guess.
Speaker 1: The Mormon? Of course?
Speaker 7: Pop?
Speaker 1: Right, Nope, it's Bennett this time. Bennett is all over this.
Speaker 1: And so Bennett is the one behind it. And this
Speaker 1: is where Bennett gets sketchy because at first people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's just tangled up in it because domb Howard hunh
Speaker 1: and he's just dumb, and you know it's him, and
Speaker 1: people really defend him to this day, like I will
Speaker 1: tell you guys, he's kind of want to talk about
Speaker 1: Mormon royalty. He's way up there. I mean literally, Heber J.
Speaker 1: Grant's grandson. And so when we talk about this stuff,
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of hard because I know
Speaker 1: the TV, you know, true blue Mormons are going to
Speaker 1: come after me and say, oh, he was just a
Speaker 1: nice guy that got you know, caught up in it
Speaker 1: because he owned the company. The company itself was a
Speaker 1: CIA shell, so that's not necessarily true. So all this
Speaker 1: stuff starts to come out. You know, Hughes loaned Nixon
Speaker 1: cash and his family cash and all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: it's just not it's not good. And then on top
Speaker 1: of it, we know that there were different factions involved
Speaker 1: with not only getting Hughes out of town, which brings
Speaker 1: in these guys all this dirty money. It brings in
Speaker 1: the mob, it brings in like all the three letter agencies,
Speaker 1: and it brings in the Bay of Pigs. And that's
Speaker 1: why and is quoted saying, I don't think you want
Speaker 1: to open this up. This is a like a whole
Speaker 1: condensation of his big report that he said, because the
Speaker 1: American people don't need to know about that right now,
Speaker 1: basically because if they were to find out exactly what
Speaker 1: was happening with the Bay of Pigs, it was going
Speaker 1: to upset everyone. And he just he was involved with
Speaker 1: so many things, and let alone with Hughes's involvement of
Speaker 1: the things, it got completely blown out of the water.
Speaker 1: It completely devastated the trust of everybody. And the plumbers,
Speaker 1: a few of them, I think were it became Mormons
Speaker 1: after the fact, is what I read that they weren't
Speaker 1: Mormon before, but they became Mormon, and all this So
Speaker 1: what the truth is, I don't know, but I do
Speaker 1: know that Mormons are all over this, including Hughes's exit
Speaker 1: out to the Bahamas, because Hughes's exit to the Bahamas
Speaker 1: is done by guy named James O. Golden, who is
Speaker 1: huge up in the CIA and FBI, and he actually
Speaker 1: ends up running Inner Pool.
Speaker 4: He's he's big, and when.
Speaker 1: We get into him, he's the one that actually is
Speaker 1: involved with this paper right here Resorts International, because that's
Speaker 1: where they took Hughes. They took him to a Resorts
Speaker 1: International hotel and those all go back to the Mary
Speaker 1: Paynt company. So I think when you look at this
Speaker 1: full picture, to go to perm index, you have to
Speaker 1: lay this ground because you're like, well, who's that and
Speaker 1: why are they there?
Speaker 4: And what does that matter to some mobster guy or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, everybody's got their hands in the cookie Jart, and
Speaker 1: I mean everybody. So the one thing Hughes did after
Speaker 1: he gave Nixon all this money was say like, you
Speaker 1: need to push through my medical company so that it
Speaker 1: can be my shell company for taxes, and he got
Speaker 1: it to be done. Nixon did it after the IRS
Speaker 1: denied it, and so it all looks bad like that.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure why he just stepped down and didn't
Speaker 1: want to go through with everything. People also started dying
Speaker 1: like crazy, And I mean, if I were him, I
Speaker 1: definitely wouldn't want to have.
Speaker 4: All those desks put on my conscience.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a lot.
Speaker 4: But other than that, also, Nixon was a big fan.
Speaker 1: Of space and this whole you know, alien stuff, and
Speaker 1: there's talk back and forth about whether or not he
Speaker 1: put a time capsule in the White House about alien disclosure,
Speaker 1: which is curious because he was extremely close with Trump
Speaker 1: and he always told him, you should run for president,
Speaker 1: you'll win and if you get in there, this is
Speaker 1: where this time capsule is. This is just the conspiracy
Speaker 1: end of it. Of course, no proof on that, but
Speaker 1: there is proof that they were friends. You know, they talked,
Speaker 1: they were close, and they definitely knew each other. So
Speaker 1: when you talk about these people all being in bed together,
Speaker 1: I think it's funny because the other one that's going
Speaker 1: to come up next time, probably unless we run through
Speaker 1: this is Cone and that's Trump dressed like that at
Speaker 1: Roy Cohne's birthday. And you know, people have postulated different
Speaker 1: things about their reputation together. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: do know this. They were very close, Okay, close enough.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't have ended how it did. And when you
Speaker 1: look at the pictures of them speaking together in different things,
Speaker 1: you go, hm, well, Trump comes up, and I bring
Speaker 1: up Roy because Resorts International runs straight into Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: He ends up running it for a time. Actually they
Speaker 4: had a big fight.
Speaker 1: Over who was going to get the power of it,
Speaker 1: and so he ends up taking it for a time.
Speaker 1: And it was, you know, completely engulfed with the organized crime.
Speaker 1: And when you look at that, you know, I know
Speaker 1: people want to say, oh, Trump's a good guy. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm watching for the fruits of his labor.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to diss on him, but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying you have to look at the full picture when
Speaker 1: we're looking at all of this. And then also how
Speaker 1: obsessed is Trump with space stuff? You know, he's got
Speaker 1: Elon in there. We're talking. Then we get into weird
Speaker 1: speculation on that with you know, the whole Werner von
Speaker 1: Braun book. And this is the picture I told you
Speaker 1: guys about last time with Werner von Braun in Mormon
Speaker 1: theological films. And I don't think these things are accidents.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that you know, what people have
Speaker 1: said and talked about is when this whole business came
Speaker 1: out with Aliens, you know, they wanted to guard that secret,
Speaker 1: and JFK wanted to work with the Russians and they
Speaker 1: had just had the war. And this picture here shows
Speaker 1: they're kind of together, Werner von Braun and JFK. And
Speaker 1: he dies two weeks after this is taken. And I
Speaker 1: find that super interesting, knowing that the Germans and the
Speaker 1: Russians have a very contentious relationship at this point. I
Speaker 1: don't think they want to share anything with the people
Speaker 1: that help them lose the war. So it gets into
Speaker 1: some weird weeds and you know, we've taken all the
Speaker 1: Operation paper Clip people and put them to work, which
Speaker 1: you know, if you've looked at anything from Utah, and
Speaker 1: you know anything about Thiacoll and different Hormon space projects,
Speaker 1: you know that there was probably something that came here
Speaker 1: and let alone the relationship enough for Werner von Braun
Speaker 1: to be invited into a movie that no one else
Speaker 1: was in except for Mormons.
Speaker 4: I find it super curious. And so is this odd?
Speaker 1: It's all together odd, and when you put it all
Speaker 1: together with the hearings and Hunt and even their background.
Speaker 1: You know, if you get into Hunt's background, do you
Speaker 1: guys know about his background? Like back back before Watergate.
Speaker 6: Like Oss Days or Cia Days.
Speaker 1: Well, so Cia Days. He was the guy that was basically,
Speaker 1: you know, down to help with like any of the
Speaker 1: UFO recoveries. He was on that whole situation, and he
Speaker 1: worked with Banister, but he also worked with Banister, worked
Speaker 1: with Mayhew for ten years out of the Chicago offices
Speaker 1: when he was with the FBI. So all these people
Speaker 1: are like lengthly not just like oh I met him
Speaker 1: once at a dinner. You know, these are big relationships.
Speaker 1: And all of this kind of goes together with the Mormons,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why are they always there? There's always
Speaker 1: a person that pops up that just happens to be
Speaker 1: associated with the church. And then when you get into
Speaker 1: the Watergate stuff with the Bay Pigs, you have to
Speaker 1: go to Bush and the whole thing with Howard Hughes
Speaker 1: and Zapota Oil. They were using his island and the
Speaker 1: Bushes rented it to for their drilling operation, which wasn't
Speaker 1: it wasn't a drilling operation, but that island in itself
Speaker 1: is considered to be possibly one of Atlantis Islands, and
Speaker 1: so maybe they were drilling for something. I don't think
Speaker 1: it had to do with oil. But they were also
Speaker 1: training the Bay of Pigs people there, and this is
Speaker 1: a little picture of just their training and what they
Speaker 1: were doing. It was all an anti Castro training. And
Speaker 1: this is the name of the k Seal is the island.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's, you know, all all owned
Speaker 1: by Howard Hughes. He just leased it to the Bushes.
Speaker 1: And so even two of the ships involved in the
Speaker 1: Bay of Pigs, one of them was named the Barbara.
Speaker 1: So Bush is all over this on top of it,
Speaker 1: and I think that you know, he, you know, Bush
Speaker 1: ties here soon. He's got some major ties with Permandex
Speaker 1: and Demorn Shield and so all of this makes sense
Speaker 1: when you put it in a big whirlwind, I guess,
Speaker 1: because like you said, it's a spider. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: it's not going to stop. I mean it just like
Speaker 1: I almost have to organizing it in my mind to
Speaker 1: like present. It is so difficult because you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: which part do you want to say first? Which part
Speaker 1: do you talk about? You know the fact that you
Speaker 1: want to talk about that Trump named one of his
Speaker 1: casino hotels, the Atlantis, during the time he owned this stuff, Like,
Speaker 1: I think somebody knows something. And when you go down
Speaker 1: that road, you know about his uncle John and he's
Speaker 1: supposedly the protege to vanover Bush, who not related to
Speaker 1: the regular president Bush, but vanover Bush is who's protege
Speaker 1: tesla And this goes to aliens, and I just went,
Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding me, because I've never really
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, yeah, whatever, I mean, there's realms, sure,
Speaker 1: you know, there's things out there. I'm not want to
Speaker 1: like just let it go. But also like when you
Speaker 1: look at this stuff, you go, Okay, well what do
Speaker 1: they all know? Right? And then you go back to
Speaker 1: that weird story about the alien visiting that.
Speaker 4: Guy, and then you go, what does the Mormon Church know.
Speaker 1: The key? And once again we get back to the keys,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you know Howard Hughes trusted them an
Speaker 1: awful lot even though they did him dirty towards the end.
Speaker 1: And then you get into what happened at the end,
Speaker 1: and this gets back to the gaze and not gay people,
Speaker 1: the gays last name, and one more picture before I
Speaker 1: move forward. This is a fun one of Nixon with
Speaker 1: Prescott Bush and who Jack Ruby. Yeah, this is just
Speaker 1: you know when you said it was a spider web,
Speaker 1: it just explodes and it goes clear into today. So sorry,
Speaker 1: I would just want to say no, no, please interrupt
Speaker 1: because I can't.
Speaker 8: See before you get too far. I just it's a
Speaker 8: very it's an open ended question. It can be Heidi, JJ, Lisa, anyone. Uh,
Speaker 8: but I don't quite understand why his financials were in
Speaker 8: such turmoil if he if he also was in charge
Speaker 8: of several CIA fronts, is what you're saying, If I understand,
Speaker 8: and so shouldn't the financial management be more? You know,
Speaker 8: even though that those are like a lot of black
Speaker 8: book stuff, like they usually are good book book keepers
Speaker 8: from like all the work that Nick and JJ have
Speaker 8: done and like showing that kind of like organized crime, Like.
Speaker 2: Usually they're pretty good at books.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about Hughes or yes, Hughes Hughes Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're because.
Speaker 8: Why couldn't they change the or was there a great
Speaker 8: change in the code, and so that's sort of what
Speaker 8: contributed to it, Like I I don't I think I'm
Speaker 8: maybe historically ignorant.
Speaker 1: Now you're fine, he just had so much money and
Speaker 1: he owned so many corporations. By this time, he was
Speaker 1: literally banking in the dough like he was bringing in
Speaker 1: tons of money. He doesn't have any kids, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a wife really at this point, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a whole ton going out. And he wasn't this big
Speaker 1: philanthropist until he opens up the Howard Hughes Medical And
Speaker 1: so that's right there, when it becomes a whole different ballgame, right,
Speaker 1: And when this happens, it like changes the whole dynamic
Speaker 1: of everything because then also he's bankrolling the CIA, just
Speaker 1: so you guys know, and that there's been lots of proof,
Speaker 1: like even these little projects like even the Glomar he
Speaker 1: bankrolled that, even you know, all these other things he's
Speaker 1: bankrolled and bankrolled and bankrolled. Now did he make money
Speaker 1: back off them? Sure, he had contracts, you know, exclusively
Speaker 1: to them. I in my opinion, I think.
Speaker 4: Everybody was splitting that dough.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I I think this was more mafia than the mafia.
Speaker 6: You know, That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 5: HEII not only yeah, not only to that point, but
Speaker 5: then you have the warring factions for power within that
Speaker 5: mafia right, and it includes the literal mafia, because you
Speaker 5: just you've already paying this interesting dynamic of these varying
Speaker 5: factions of folks that seem disparate, you know, from from
Speaker 5: the out from the outside looking in.
Speaker 6: Especially when you're talking Permadex.
Speaker 5: Yes, you know, is the epicenter of kind of as
Speaker 5: you said, said the epicenter of this activity.
Speaker 6: You got Joseph.
Speaker 5: Bonano, who's the the Banano crime family, but.
Speaker 6: Head of the head of the all the.
Speaker 5: Five families in New York at the time, Roy Cone,
Speaker 5: and then CIA guy himself, Clay Shaw.
Speaker 6: That's the integral figure in the Garrison investigation.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we can even go there because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I I never know how long things are
Speaker 1: going to take. But if you know about Permandex, you know,
Speaker 1: you know who's on the board because you just named
Speaker 1: some the others are like fascists and like the attorney
Speaker 1: I didn't bring my notes down for that, but the
Speaker 1: attorney for the Savoy family. Like, you're talking about some
Speaker 1: really important people and they're bankrolled by other people, and
Speaker 1: Permitex has been said to have bankrolled I'm going to
Speaker 1: I'm going to minimize this so I can see you
Speaker 1: guys basically bankrolled the assassination hits on not only JFK,
Speaker 1: but RFK and MLK, all of them. And you know, yes, yep.
Speaker 1: And they tried, They tried and tried and tried with him.
Speaker 1: And what permandex stands for is a permanent index of people.
Speaker 1: So this is the hidden meaning permanent index of people
Speaker 1: to assassinate. Whereas they say, it's like a permanent industry development,
Speaker 1: but it's another show company. It really isn't anything. But
Speaker 1: yet here they all come playing again and and like
Speaker 1: you mentioned.
Speaker 4: You know, Riboso, Babay Riboso comes.
Speaker 1: Up in this, mo Ballots comes up in this Like
Speaker 1: we're talking about big players when we're talking about these people,
Speaker 1: and who do they bump into? You know, Trump Cone,
Speaker 1: Colin ran Colan knows where everybody is buried. He went
Speaker 1: to his grave knowing that, like for sure.
Speaker 6: You know, Nixon's close close associate.
Speaker 1: R I'm just going to bring that up.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: He was actually on the island with baby Riboso when
Speaker 1: Watergate went down for his like backing story, Yeah, they.
Speaker 9: Were actually in the pool together, weren't they. That He
Speaker 9: always every time that he would vacation or leave the
Speaker 9: White House instead of going to the equivalenta camp David,
Speaker 9: he would go down and spend his time with him.
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's just so strange, like when you look
Speaker 1: at it and you're looking at like his ties or
Speaker 1: fascist ties or whatever's happening, and then you find you
Speaker 1: you like look into it as well with the eyes
Speaker 1: open of like, I don't know if you guys have
Speaker 1: heard what Howard He's just said about equal opportunity employment,
Speaker 1: But it wasn't it was as good as the Mormons.
Speaker 4: Talking back when Brigham was the president.
Speaker 1: It's not good.
Speaker 4: They're racist, and you're you're sitting here going, okay, is
Speaker 4: this their religion still? Like when they say we won
Speaker 4: the war but the Nazis never fell. I believe that
Speaker 4: I one hundred percent believed that this was just a
Speaker 4: division of a power that got too big because they
Speaker 4: learned how to tap into stuff, and the stuff I'm
Speaker 4: talking about would be a cultic in nature, and there's
Speaker 4: so many stories about that that I do think they
Speaker 4: were imparted a lot of knowledge. You know, there's tons
Speaker 4: of different things that advance during that timeframe that you
Speaker 4: see the Germans just go and take off, like literally
Speaker 4: take off and Howard Hughes was all about it.
Speaker 1: They said they there's a rumor that he had his
Speaker 1: own hangar at Area fifty one, and so you know,
Speaker 1: he's involved in this up to his eye balls, and
Speaker 1: he certainly says that there are other entities. Whether or
Speaker 1: not that freaked him out, I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: do know this. He started peeing in jars and holding
Speaker 1: back all of his nail He didn't clip his nails,
Speaker 1: He didn't do all these weird things. But think about it,
Speaker 1: where's your DNA? It sounds ridiculous until you know the answer,
Speaker 1: and you go, hmm, was he just trying to keep
Speaker 1: himself from.
Speaker 4: Being replicated or something? Or who knows what?
Speaker 1: You know, they're making medical advances at the same time
Speaker 1: they're doing you know, Howard Hughes medical industry. They are
Speaker 1: known for developing crisper technology and all kinds of sketchy stuff.
Speaker 1: They're involved with Gates And it doesn't surprise me. Bill
Speaker 1: Gates and Microsoft Corporation is the LDS Church's number one
Speaker 1: holding right now. And when you talk about people not
Speaker 1: being qualified to run the books, you can look at
Speaker 1: Elon Musk and Jared Birshall runs his books, and he's
Speaker 1: not qualified to do any of that. So you're just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's going on here, mister tunnel digger because that's where
Speaker 1: they met, at the boring Company.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Heidi, I just want to say one thing really quick.
Speaker 8: Is I think with the peeing in bottles and the
Speaker 8: here now so that you know it's not a way,
Speaker 8: but honestly, it makes perfect sense to me. I'm sure
Speaker 8: it makes perfect sense to that. You do not you
Speaker 8: do not want people to get a hold of your
Speaker 8: personal effects. This isn't obviously a thurgical thing, but it's
Speaker 8: you know, a we'll call it village sorcery. So yeah,
Speaker 8: like you don't want like witchcraft. That's really what that is.
Speaker 8: It's like, if you have these personal effects, you can
Speaker 8: do things to them. But then also the peeing in bottles,
Speaker 8: although that sounds the funniest, actually those are called witch
Speaker 8: bottles if you make them properly, and you can rebuke
Speaker 8: magic done to you. This is the idea if you
Speaker 8: put in that. But also certain things usually like broken glass, needles,
Speaker 8: blue be all that stuff, so doing.
Speaker 1: Carrying it, yeah, for like property, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. I when you step back and
Speaker 1: look at things that sound crazy, especially like Mormons. I'm
Speaker 1: always like, that sounds crazy. Joseph Smith said people live
Speaker 1: on the moon. And then you find out about different
Speaker 1: occultic things, or study theosophy and anthroposophy, and you go, oh,
Speaker 1: got it. And then they live on the sun is
Speaker 1: Brigham Young's and you're like, huh okay. And so you
Speaker 1: start learning about stuff and it sounds crazy on the surface,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they want it fixed, because it's
Speaker 1: better to sound like that than to explain, oh, we
Speaker 1: might be using this for like what you said, you know,
Speaker 1: like I mean, if you heard that from a person
Speaker 1: that has like think of the most straight laced people ever,
Speaker 1: you know, you're not going to like that. As the
Speaker 1: normal congregation of people in a church, for sure, they're
Speaker 1: going to be pretty upset with that. They're going to
Speaker 1: start wondering, like, what we don't do witchcraft stuff? I
Speaker 1: heard all that was lies, and then they're going to
Speaker 1: go look it up, which is definitely not what the
Speaker 1: church wants. The church definitely doesn't want that. And so
Speaker 1: I did find my little paperwork on the board, and
Speaker 1: so we've got Lewis Mortimer Bloomfield. And then we've got
Speaker 1: Fernick Nause. He's the former Prime Minister of Hungary. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming everybody knows about who Bloomfield is, probably, but he's
Speaker 1: you know, high up in Canada.
Speaker 4: He's running a lot of these kind of same schemes.
Speaker 1: There we've got Giorgio Mantello, Roy Cone, Joseph Bonano, Jean
Speaker 1: de Manil, Paul Reagan, Denski, count Gettera's de Spatafora, and
Speaker 1: that is Mussolini's guy. So I mean you're wondering, like, wow,
Speaker 1: where did all these people come from? Ham Selgameyer and
Speaker 1: he's a banker in Basel, Carlo de Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: uh Analio I think attorney house of Savoy, max Hegelman Muner, Shorboggi,
Speaker 1: Giuseppe Ziagotti, he's an Italian fascist, Florenk florenk h Simon Fay,
Speaker 1: he's from Hungary. And clay Shaw.
Speaker 4: So why would you have the people that literally are
Speaker 4: probably involved in all.
Speaker 1: This go back and be on multiple commissions to figure
Speaker 1: things out or like put these people in power?
Speaker 4: And why is clay Shaw in with fascists.
Speaker 1: And people from other countries right where with all the
Speaker 1: stuff he knows. So then you're like, oh, wow, what's
Speaker 1: happening here? And there's this little there's this little diagram
Speaker 1: that I found on Permandex and it starts at the
Speaker 1: crown and then it goes down and it goes to Permandex,
Speaker 1: which goes to Division five FBI, and then it goes
Speaker 1: down in the middle to the World Wildlife one thousand
Speaker 1: and one club, which I have to do an episode
Speaker 1: on sometime or through this whatever, but it's huge through
Speaker 1: this whole situation. And then the other branch goes to
Speaker 1: honder And I'm just telling you guys, like when you
Speaker 1: look at all this and the companies that supposedly helped
Speaker 1: with like funding all this stuff, you go, oh, this
Speaker 1: sounds sketchy, right, Why is the monarch involved? Like why
Speaker 1: are all these houses of Savoy and like the monarchy
Speaker 1: and all these different things involved, Like it doesn't sound right,
Speaker 1: you know, And then you you look at.
Speaker 5: It also to your family before in regards to the
Speaker 5: how these things are continuing on to our modern day,
Speaker 5: these other examples that continued on as well, even though
Speaker 5: Permandex essentially you know, goes away after the scandal, all
Speaker 5: of those folks not the personnel involved, but the groups
Speaker 5: and the power centers involved in that, and that board
Speaker 5: all up here again in the Vatican Bank scandal.
Speaker 1: Well and not only yeah, not only that, but the
Speaker 1: Mormons again through Haliburton, And so when you look at
Speaker 1: who's financing, right, So you're looking at all these people
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh wow. And also what happens we
Speaker 1: run into people that are influencing our next episode RFK, Right,
Speaker 1: you run into like who exactly why is Lee Harvey
Speaker 1: Oswald interested in any of this?
Speaker 4: Oh? Well, you know, why is Ruth Payne?
Speaker 1: Why are they having seances in the woods with asters
Speaker 1: and all these weird things? Like they're doing some crazy stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, and when you talk about it, it just
Speaker 1: sounds insane. But then you look at it and you
Speaker 1: look at the backers, right, we get Bell helicopters.
Speaker 4: Well, you know they hired Dorenberger, I mean, like the Dorenburger.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm like, what is happening? And it's because they
Speaker 1: had that knowledge, right, they know all the secrets of
Speaker 1: all the things. But they've shut all that down pretty
Speaker 1: much unless they want to start Wi FI and then
Speaker 1: they did that.
Speaker 4: But other than.
Speaker 5: That, they're not Aliens. Yes, nationalism right the more.
Speaker 1: Then yes, Well, if we want to get into Mormons
Speaker 1: and Nazis, that's a whole So I mean, like think
Speaker 1: of it. They're really you know Jay Rubin Clark. You
Speaker 1: can look him up if you guys think I'm not
Speaker 1: telling the truth about the Mormons. They are literally the
Speaker 1: same ideals as the Nazi regime at that time. And
Speaker 1: they were the ones that kind of started the whole
Speaker 1: genealogy thing and they helped people like started it to
Speaker 1: be more mainstream, we'll say, they started helping with the Nazis.
Speaker 1: They said, look, let us into your church records and
Speaker 1: stuff and will help you prove if a girl is
Speaker 1: worthy to date. And you started to have to hang
Speaker 1: your three generations back to go dat a girl to
Speaker 1: make sure an eye. This is not my words, this
Speaker 1: is a quote to make sure you were not a
Speaker 1: granddaughter of a Jews. That is what they said.
Speaker 4: And so I'm telling you guys like they literally were
Speaker 4: in bed with the Nazis.
Speaker 1: You can look up like the Olympics, then you get
Speaker 1: into the stuff that Justin talked about, like with them
Speaker 1: visiting and going to the Olympics and talking all about
Speaker 1: it in her journal and everything, and she's all happy
Speaker 1: about how wonderful they treated them, and you're just like whoa.
Speaker 1: And then Mormon Moroni and the Swastika by David C. Nelson,
Speaker 1: that book talks all about how you know they were
Speaker 1: Heber J. Grant was at a banquet there with a
Speaker 1: big insignia over the table. We'll just say that because
Speaker 1: I want to get in trouble. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I can say. And then mission presidents, you know that
Speaker 1: we're putting up signs saying no Jews allowed. Like they
Speaker 1: were completely on board. They were doing the salute, they
Speaker 1: were doing all the things. They were along with them,
Speaker 1: because you know, they were white supremacists pretty much at
Speaker 1: that time too, you know, and they blame it, but I.
Speaker 5: Think a lot of that is comes from their heritage though, right, So,
Speaker 5: like you're mentioning the alien seance with the DuPonts, the
Speaker 5: Asters and gang and the Pains and whatnot. Well, the Grants,
Speaker 5: the Bushes, these folks all come from Connecticut and Massachusetts
Speaker 5: settlements in early early Americas. They so I think this
Speaker 5: blue this quote unquote blue blood lineage of these folks
Speaker 5: will manifested things like the Mormon Church permeates throughout their
Speaker 5: family tree.
Speaker 6: The alien.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and I think they well, you know, if
Speaker 1: you talk to you know, anybody that's a Mormon FLDS person,
Speaker 1: when you get to the Kingstons, they literally will tell
Speaker 1: you that the bloodline of Jesus Christ and so yeah,
Speaker 1: they want and they're inbreeding and making sure they keep
Speaker 1: their bloodlines pure. So they take this very seriously. It's
Speaker 1: not like it's funny to say it, like haha, but
Speaker 1: like that's a real thing for these people. And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: that's just FLDS. That's not the real Mormon Church. Where
Speaker 1: do you think it came from? Came from the top,
Speaker 1: you know, it didn't get split off until the government
Speaker 1: ties started coming in and they wanted to have statehood.
Speaker 6: You know that that's a real They were forced, they
Speaker 6: were forced to make these changes.
Speaker 5: They weren't theological changes, but they were you know, beamed
Speaker 5: in from you know, no no.
Speaker 1: And one of the monuments, I can't remember which one
Speaker 1: it was that they were building and everybody sent a
Speaker 1: stone in to have this monument built. I can't remember
Speaker 1: which monument in DC it was. But the Mormons weren't
Speaker 1: completely finished with their statehood yet and they set like
Speaker 1: the Masonic eye with the Beehive State, sure, the State
Speaker 1: of Deseret, And they're the only ones that like had
Speaker 1: anything like that.
Speaker 4: So that tells you a whole lot of answers.
Speaker 1: And it's just funny to me because I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: obviously you said they're channeling you know, these beings, Well
Speaker 1: they say they're the Egyptian deity. Well what is Joseph
Speaker 1: Smith completely obsessed with Egypt? He's buying mummies off people,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it sounds ridiculous, but it happened,
Speaker 1: you know. And then he's got the Book of Abraham,
Speaker 1: which became a huge problem for them, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's saying his writings are reformed Egyptian. I just think,
Speaker 1: you know, he talked to something that told him some things,
Speaker 1: and that's really what I feel.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, it's too hokey and weird to
Speaker 4: just make it up.
Speaker 1: And then and then.
Speaker 4: Also it correlates with other people's stories.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, well, that's where it gets more credit,
Speaker 1: because you're like, this person also said they saw this,
Speaker 1: and then this person this pond they're all, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: they all started religions and so then it gives it,
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of clout. But when you're
Speaker 1: looking into these things and people always say, well, who
Speaker 1: cares about world wars or Permantex or whatever these things are, Well,
Speaker 1: they're running things today.
Speaker 4: They just changed their name. Yeah, they just changed their name, which,
Speaker 4: you know, it's kind of frightening knowing that, because you're like, wait,
Speaker 4: why would you just quit?
Speaker 1: Like you fought for all these years to take over
Speaker 1: like the whole thing Trump and then you just like
Speaker 1: walked away from it one day. No, you're just passing
Speaker 1: the torch. You know. They're all in bed together, and
Speaker 1: and you're right, it's a spider that can't be separated.
Speaker 1: Like the web is too thick, you know, the spider
Speaker 1: web is is really intense. And when you start looking
Speaker 1: at it, you're like, oh wow. And then you bring
Speaker 1: in like the aliens, like you said, and when you
Speaker 1: start bringing that in, I mean, you know, the Nazis
Speaker 1: were not afraid to talk about what they were doing.
Speaker 1: That's just here that they're weird like that.
Speaker 4: But over there they'll tell you all about it.
Speaker 1: And then when you get into Tesla and MG twelve,
Speaker 1: you know who comes up Banister, and who is Banister
Speaker 1: working with for ten years again Mayhew, and it goes
Speaker 1: right back to Howard Hughes. So you're like, Okay, they
Speaker 1: obviously and clearly know quite a few things that they're
Speaker 1: not going to share or probably can't, you know. But again, Tesla,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean people want to say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he didn't really know things. He got
Speaker 1: arrested for making an earthquake in New York City, like
Speaker 1: arrested he made an earthquake, and people still have a
Speaker 1: hard time today like, oh, weather modification, you nutjob. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll go look it up. I mean, he got arrested
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 6: Left Tower from a while and that was that what
Speaker 6: that calls that I.
Speaker 1: Think it was.
Speaker 4: I can't remember the name of it.
Speaker 1: I just remember he got arrested for it, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was hysterical. But like they try to, you know,
Speaker 1: hold these people down. Yeah, well, and got in big
Speaker 1: trouble for I think it was a dare if I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, And even the people that go forward, like
Speaker 1: I mean, just for an example, the guy that took
Speaker 1: Howard Hughes out to the Bahamas and basically kidnapped him.
Speaker 1: And that's why I say, do I think it was
Speaker 1: self induced? No, I think they were drugging him. They
Speaker 1: found needles in him post mortem, and they were the
Speaker 1: big steel needles. And back then when you were doing drugs, like,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want those honk and needles
Speaker 1: breaking off in your body. He had multiple of them
Speaker 1: broken off in his body. I do psych I know
Speaker 1: what causes that. It's not a willing participant.
Speaker 3: How long ago was this never good? How long ago
Speaker 3: was this again? What what year was this around.
Speaker 1: Like when he died?
Speaker 3: Or yeah, well, I guess what I'm going to get
Speaker 3: at is, at some point, believe it or not, syringers
Speaker 3: are not easy to come by. Oh first, if you
Speaker 3: were junking in the sixties seventies, you're struggling looking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they were like, oh he had nurses. And
Speaker 1: I did want to mention another thing about the future.
Speaker 1: So in nineteen sixty three, the Church of Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: of Latter day Saints was miserably failing and almost bankrupt. Okay,
Speaker 1: well nineteen sixty two, So up to nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 1: they are not doing good, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they hired this guy from Canada, and I've researched him
Speaker 1: a lot. I will not quit researching him till I
Speaker 1: find a little more answers. But I find it fascinating
Speaker 1: that the year Bennett takes a fall for a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff in Watergate, right, and just basically lets
Speaker 1: him brad him and doesn't say he's in the CIA,
Speaker 1: and he just gets slapped around. Kind of it totally
Speaker 1: ruined his reputation for a very long time. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the Mormon Church does great, and now like
Speaker 1: within that year, like all of a sudden, all their
Speaker 1: problems are gone. Do I think that's a coincidence? Not really.
Speaker 1: You know, people are getting paid off left and right,
Speaker 1: And I don't think that he did that for free.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of them did it for free.
Speaker 1: I mean, they had to have some reason. It's not
Speaker 1: like they're just loyal to a fault for no reason.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. Like, if you were in the
Speaker 1: CIA and they were coming at you with everything they
Speaker 1: had in court, you don't tell that. It seems strange,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't.
Speaker 5: Think he was interesting dynamic financially speaking, I don't I'm
Speaker 5: not familiar with that narrative of the sixties. That's certainly
Speaker 5: something I'm gonna dig into with that Canadian fellow.
Speaker 1: But yeah, his name was Nathan.
Speaker 6: Nathan.
Speaker 1: I thought I wrote it down for.
Speaker 6: Another dynamic while you're looking for that, Heidi.
Speaker 5: One other dynamic I find interesting at the same time
Speaker 5: where these Watergate heres are going on and the Mormons
Speaker 5: are in the US government or beefing, you know, or
Speaker 5: there's some you know, there's some you know, obviously some
Speaker 5: disagreements in dynamic there obviously right with whatever's.
Speaker 6: Going on, Oh yeah, situation.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's going.
Speaker 5: To the same stuff with the US government. That's kind
Speaker 5: of the peak of their Operation snow White. There beef
Speaker 5: for the US government. So another ancient alien cargo cult
Speaker 5: at the same time doing these infiltration and spook activities
Speaker 5: with the US.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, And then you wonder, like, Okay, I know
Speaker 1: for a fact Thomas D. Smanson has ties. And if
Speaker 1: you look at these families, and I know Justin mentioned this,
Speaker 1: none of their children go to their mission here, Okay,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of kids get called on their mission
Speaker 1: and go to like Chicago or go to like even
Speaker 1: some of them go from Salt Lake to Ogden, which
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just not very far apart. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so none of these people though, do They're all international,
Speaker 1: all of them, and they're all involved. Like there's always
Speaker 1: these little ties to either Yale, Skoll and Bones type stuff,
Speaker 1: which we know Bush was, and so these are brothers,
Speaker 1: you know, Thomas S. Monson shook Bush. It was it Bush. Yeah,
Speaker 1: baby Bush's hand and there's a picture of it and
Speaker 1: they're doing a secret hand shake and it's not Masonic.
Speaker 1: So I definitely think these people are in a lot
Speaker 1: higher Like they're all a ton of the Mormons at
Speaker 1: that time period are in the Birch Society. They're in
Speaker 1: secret societies and they're not supposed to be. Remember, they
Speaker 1: didn't change that till I think it was maybe seven
Speaker 1: or eight years ago, where you could actually join a
Speaker 1: secret society and not go against the handbook of the
Speaker 1: Mormon Church. You're not supposed too. But now they don't care.
Speaker 1: And Freemason temples and stuff are popping up more and more.
Speaker 1: There's like one right down the street from me that
Speaker 1: was like an old apartment complex and the next thing
Speaker 1: I know, there's a Freemason flag hanging off the thing
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and I was like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: where did that come from?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: And so now they can do whatever they want, like
Speaker 1: they're not hiding it anymore, you know. And I mean
Speaker 1: and not that it's I mean, honestly, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: You know, Mormons and Masons are so close anyway, but
Speaker 1: they hit it for a long time, and a lot
Speaker 1: of them, like Spencer W. Kimple, I believe it was. Now,
Speaker 1: don't quote me on this one because I'm not a huntered.
Speaker 1: He was one of the ones that said he was
Speaker 1: going to miss the rotary clubs so much when he
Speaker 1: got called to be a prophet, you know. And then,
Speaker 1: like you said, we've got all the people coming in
Speaker 1: at the same time into government, on and on and on.
Speaker 1: When these people are supposed to not trust the government.
Speaker 1: These people have been raised up to what bleed bleed
Speaker 1: the beast, right JJ, you know, Bleeding the Beast is
Speaker 1: something that the FLDS still does. But the Mormon inc
Speaker 1: Is a whole different story now. And I do believe
Speaker 1: it went mainstream. I think there were other nods to it,
Speaker 1: but the most mainstream no was when George A. Smith
Speaker 1: ended up on the time cover and and it was
Speaker 1: just like, yep, these are part of the They're part
Speaker 1: of the club now, you know, and they do you
Speaker 1: know they bought Westminster Abbey. I just found this out
Speaker 1: last week. Google know that that happened. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: kept it quiet. You can't tell me that they can
Speaker 1: build down the street from the Vatican and buy Westminster
Speaker 1: Abbey at like around the same timeframe and there's not
Speaker 1: some change in the Guard. There's been a change in
Speaker 1: the Guard.
Speaker 6: I agree with you there for sure. I agree with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's money. Yeah, And and and it's like
Speaker 1: somebody sent it to me and I was like everything
Speaker 1: I find out about the church is like that's not true.
Speaker 1: Who I guess it's true. And so it's all over
Speaker 1: the place, Like you would think that would be something
Speaker 1: they definitely wouldn't sell, right, Like yeah, right, the important
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just for me. I would be like, okay.
Speaker 1: And even the guy that like I said that stole
Speaker 1: Howard Hughes, he gets in. Within a year of Howard
Speaker 1: Hughes being there, this guy that took him there becomes
Speaker 1: Howard Hughes's tool come and he's like over all of
Speaker 1: his stuff, and then all of a sudden, the next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, not even six months, he's not even in
Speaker 1: the Howard Hills Tool Company for six months, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he gets pulled back over to Organized
Speaker 1: Crime Section of the Justice Department setting up intelligence. I'm like,
Speaker 1: and strike teams for this, And I'm like, oh, what
Speaker 1: better way to do it? Because you freaking know where
Speaker 1: everything is. You've been there, You're right there with him,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: And he becomes like a head of intertael and you
Speaker 4: can't hardly find anything about this guy. You got to
Speaker 4: really dig deep. And I'm just like, wow, okay.
Speaker 6: I mean awesome, interesting cares.
Speaker 4: Oh he's interesting, James O.
Speaker 1: Golden and yeah, he becomes the vice president of Entertail
Speaker 1: and then after becomes the Crime Section of Justice Apartment
Speaker 1: of the Organized Crime and I'm like, yeah, because you
Speaker 1: were organized crime. I mean, it seems funny.
Speaker 6: It was your at one point too.
Speaker 1: Looks like yep, he was all the things. Man. If
Speaker 1: you look at his death announcement, it's very interesting. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of times where you have to go to
Speaker 1: find anything out on these guys because they keep it
Speaker 1: on the DL. So hard, you know, it's like very
Speaker 1: very He was one that was hard to find things about.
Speaker 1: And actually I don't know that I would have had
Speaker 1: it not been for old books like this book. It's
Speaker 1: not that old, the Age of Secrets book. But there
Speaker 1: was also another one that was something Spies. I'll find
Speaker 1: it because I want to give credit where credit's due.
Speaker 1: But it was very interesting to be reading some of
Speaker 1: these old things and go, wow, these guys were like there.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if there's people like that anymore.
Speaker 1: Like these people like led the brigade on things. These
Speaker 1: people like were out in the trenches, you know. And
Speaker 1: it's just wild to me that that it gets so deep,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about all of it, and
Speaker 1: I guess it shouldn't be to be honest, like when
Speaker 1: you step back and go, well, duh, yeah, I guess,
Speaker 1: But I guess the altruistic part of you, especially with
Speaker 1: a church, you want to believe that that isn't how
Speaker 1: things are ran, you know, but apparently not so. Like
Speaker 1: I said, Gay goes on to run Howard Hughes Medical
Speaker 1: until he dies almost Clarintel two thousand and six, and
Speaker 1: that legacy has been left to his family and not
Speaker 1: only that, but his son went on to actually well.
Speaker 4: He worked with Romney at Ban and Company.
Speaker 1: And not only did he do that, but I think
Speaker 1: he kind of got kicked out of the Quorum of
Speaker 1: the seventy for doing these little micro loans at that
Speaker 1: point that were kind of looked down upon for desperate
Speaker 1: situations before they conglomerated and smashed companies. They kind of
Speaker 1: would do the little here, let me help you, and
Speaker 1: then it was like impossible to meet the needs of
Speaker 1: this loan and they would fail, and then they would
Speaker 1: just swoop up all the companies.
Speaker 4: And Bane and Company was known for this.
Speaker 1: And they're both Mormon, you know, so and not just
Speaker 1: Mormon Quorum of the seventy Mormon. And so he makes
Speaker 1: it in and and like I said, normally when you
Speaker 1: get to be seventy years old you kind of have
Speaker 1: a place for life in the Quorum of the seventy.
Speaker 1: They don't like release you from your calling. And they
Speaker 1: waited till he was seventy and then they released him.
Speaker 1: That's a statement like and I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was that they were trying to shake him down for
Speaker 1: more money because they have a lot of money.
Speaker 4: Because his dad was the trustee over that whole thing.
Speaker 1: Do you know there's I think it's like I think
Speaker 1: they said seventeen billion dollars a year goes to Howard
Speaker 1: Hughes Medical Institute. I think was what the pledge is through. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like been, Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 6: I didn't realize the gay family was associated with Bank Capital.
Speaker 4: Yeah, his son, it's his son.
Speaker 1: I had a picture.
Speaker 5: But that's interesting because that's uh, you know, Romney never
Speaker 5: really gets questioned about those activities too much, you know
Speaker 5: a little bit politically speaking back in the day, but
Speaker 5: not the right questions, right because that Bank Capital it
Speaker 5: got to seed money from George.
Speaker 1: Soros yep, and George well because they don't want to
Speaker 1: get into so again, like I said, the mole In
Speaker 1: Company was the start for the Mormon Tabernacle choir stuff.
Speaker 1: As far as they're advertising promos, well, then what happens
Speaker 1: is exactly what Justin says. And we get into big
Speaker 1: comfy red chairs, right, The big comfy red chairs come
Speaker 1: with like the Koshoge family and all these big families.
Speaker 1: But where are they linking up and meeting people? They're
Speaker 1: going to these concerts that cost like two thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a chair, which is nothing for them, you know, and
Speaker 1: then they're sat next to these other really important people
Speaker 1: on the d L and then they can just have
Speaker 1: a big meeting and no one knows. And so that's
Speaker 1: how that plays into forward from this situation, going into
Speaker 1: like the eighties with Beverly Bruff Campbell and Beverly Bruff
Speaker 1: Campbell had so much clout that she literally changed the
Speaker 1: temple ceremony through the prophet and that shouldn't be that
Speaker 1: that was supposedly given to them from God literally, So
Speaker 1: if she has that much poll, I mean, what did
Speaker 1: she know?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: Which profit was? This was this Benson Benson.
Speaker 1: With Beverly Bruff. It was in the eighties, I think
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 6: Those are the two prophets of the eighties, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Campbell, Let's see Campbell. Let's look.
Speaker 5: Jeff Benson has always be an interesting character to me
Speaker 5: because you know, once again when we were mentioning his
Speaker 5: calling bones and the blue blood families involved in these
Speaker 5: alien seances, the taps are in that conversation for sure.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's the only Chief of Supreme Court and
Speaker 5: US President and William Howard Taff but found founder of
Speaker 5: the Skull and Bones is the Taff family as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, well that's why they came in set it up here, right,
Speaker 1: like it's never been done before since.
Speaker 5: Yeah, isn't Bill Bennett a part of that? Part of
Speaker 5: that extension there is the University of Utah Skulling Bones.
Speaker 1: I can't remember if Bennett was, but either way, he's
Speaker 1: dialed in ten ways till Tuesday.
Speaker 4: He's in there every single way.
Speaker 5: They would put that there, but not at BYU though, right,
Speaker 5: it's at University of Utah though, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's only at University of Utah, yep, because I
Speaker 1: think they didn't want to come across. I mean think
Speaker 1: about it like you would rather you would rather it
Speaker 1: be a little bit apart from you. You know, if
Speaker 1: you're going to have to do dirty deeds, you know,
Speaker 1: dirty deeds aren't going to go over as good. You
Speaker 1: can't hide as much at b YU. Not that they're
Speaker 1: not included. I'm sure they probably profit just as much
Speaker 1: as anyone.
Speaker 5: You know, you got him, Sorry, no, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 5: totally okay.
Speaker 8: I didn't want to like interrupt the flow, but you
Speaker 8: had you had brought up this idea of the blue
Speaker 8: Blood seances, and that was my That's where I wanted
Speaker 8: to jump in originally, So I apologize for that, but
Speaker 8: I know, I think I think it was so interesting
Speaker 8: you said that JJ. So first of all, great, that
Speaker 8: was a great point. But I also think it makes
Speaker 8: a lot of sense to what Heidi said last time
Speaker 8: about the Martinists, because there he's even a link in Canada.
Speaker 8: So this obviously goes to my second point, but maybe
Speaker 8: in a moment, is that there's a link between the
Speaker 8: huge and o French, the French Protestants, and the Martinist tradition.
Speaker 8: And so as a as a French Canadian strument, as
Speaker 8: a we do not.
Speaker 2: Like huge and o's. It's like it's kind of like
Speaker 2: embedded into like your identity.
Speaker 8: It's like you're the antithesis of them, kind of like
Speaker 8: as a French Catholic, that.
Speaker 1: Guy, that guy that took over the money for the church,
Speaker 1: they said, he was a big deal there in Canada
Speaker 1: and basically from like one of those wealthy, big deal families.
Speaker 8: So that's also really interesting because you were saying, Heidi
Speaker 8: about the chartered corporations like the Savoy family and all
Speaker 8: these people that are royalty, Well that's that's the majority
Speaker 8: of Canada. I mean it's like eighty two percent is
Speaker 8: crown Land, so it's in trust in treaty as they
Speaker 8: would say, held by the crown. So who is the crown? Well,
Speaker 8: the Crown is really the UK. But if you understand
Speaker 8: how confederation works, the provinces were confederated at different times,
Speaker 8: so certain provinces are actually confederated with a charter from
Speaker 8: the Dutch West India Corporation, like Newfoundland. So that is
Speaker 8: also interesting because that's where they wrote the Charter of
Speaker 8: Rights and Freedoms.
Speaker 1: John fun fact on that the first book of Mormon
Speaker 1: that was ever translated into a different language was Dutch
Speaker 1: because they had so many of them. Oh so connects connects,
Speaker 1: And yes, Bob Bennett, was you of you? So I'm
Speaker 1: assuming he's tholen bones.
Speaker 4: They keep that pretty on the DL at this point.
Speaker 2: Now, well that makes total sense.
Speaker 8: And then you'd also have the international travel the thing
Speaker 8: that you said, Heidi, like when they do their missions,
Speaker 8: they go, the spooks go away. Well, this is exactly
Speaker 8: like how university is as well, Like if you do
Speaker 8: certain particular studies, I'm sure everybody knows this area studies
Speaker 8: like I study Asia Pacific studies. So it's like people
Speaker 8: like me, I'm not a spook, but I'm just saying
Speaker 8: it's area studies. And it's also like Middle Eastern studies,
Speaker 8: Central Asian languages, Russian, like those kinds of things. Those
Speaker 8: are the programs and philosophy and like. So it's always
Speaker 8: people who go abroad. That's really was because it's a
Speaker 8: perfect cover. Right, You're just doing your mission, yeah, miss.
Speaker 4: Just doing your job. Yeah, I don't think you're wrong.
Speaker 6: I don't think you're wrong the spook. Classic statement of
Speaker 6: a spook.
Speaker 2: I'm really not.
Speaker 1: I am not a spook. We were talking Watergate today.
Speaker 8: They wanted me, they would have picked me in university.
Speaker 8: That's really the truth that they really wanted me. But
Speaker 8: obviously I'm too rebellious.
Speaker 5: You bring up a great point with the international missionaries,
Speaker 5: and that's kind of I was getting out with Azrataph Benson,
Speaker 5: like there's this weird there's always been this weird dynamics
Speaker 5: between the federal government. Despite their claims of me being
Speaker 5: at more and whatnot, there's always this weird dynamic between
Speaker 5: the two. Azrataph Benson was the Commerce secretary for Eisenhower
Speaker 5: for years. Yes, and later the you know, the the
Speaker 5: prophet of the church, and then his forefather also AZRATAF.
Speaker 5: Benson was at Was he a president? I don't think
Speaker 5: he was a president. Was he was he a No,
Speaker 5: I think he was twelve apostles maybe, I think I.
Speaker 1: Think he was. I think yeah.
Speaker 5: But it's weird dynamic because when you're talking international missionaries.
Speaker 6: And spook activities is a cover.
Speaker 5: Well, Joseph Smith had dispatched you know, international missionaries back
Speaker 5: in the eighteen you know, you know, eighteen.
Speaker 6: Forty, so you know that long before anyone heard the.
Speaker 5: Name CIA or you know, FBI or any other three
Speaker 5: letter agency. So I always often wonder that Mormons kind
Speaker 5: of invent the American spook game.
Speaker 1: Well, it's odd you say that, because I will tell
Speaker 1: you guys, within twenty five to forty five miles of
Speaker 1: my house, there's Hill Air Force Base, there's the NSA,
Speaker 1: there's the FBI, there's the IRS and the CIA.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I can't believe they haven't stormed
Speaker 1: my house yet. Sometimes I screw with my ship though
Speaker 1: it won't work, like my streamyard link won't be there.
Speaker 1: And weird, but whatever.
Speaker 3: That was weird that is weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and that kind of stuff will happen all
Speaker 1: the time. When I did the show with Justin, my
Speaker 1: camera crashed, my laptop crashed. I went to go get on.
Speaker 1: I have another computer right here. That one crashed, but
Speaker 1: and then my power went out, and I was like,
Speaker 1: are you serious right now? I was, and he was laughing.
Speaker 1: But then he asked me, are you by yourself? And
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, whatever, I've got a big dog.
Speaker 1: Come at me, bro if I die doing stuff like this,
Speaker 1: so be I don't care. Speaking of rebellious oh.
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask. Sorry, I am so non knowledgeable
Speaker 2: on Mormons. Yeah, very fine, I'm learning.
Speaker 8: Just so the profits, this was a very interesting idea.
Speaker 8: So do they receive revelation like every different profit.
Speaker 1: So every prophet that it becomes the profit or president
Speaker 1: of our church is called a profit seer and revelator,
Speaker 1: and I do believe jin Now I think that. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to get into some weird theosophy anthroposophy, which
Speaker 1: will be great because you probably know all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So when we're talking about the things that they do
Speaker 1: in the temple and it piercing the veil, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: well known that you know, things can pierce the bell
Speaker 1: and usually it's blood, right, like has something to do
Speaker 1: with that, but also.
Speaker 4: It can be mimicry. And I do think these.
Speaker 1: Mormon people, the goyam, the regular people like I once was,
Speaker 1: that don't know anything.
Speaker 4: I didn't even know as a mason.
Speaker 1: I even know that. I didn't even know what a
Speaker 1: mason was. I didn't even know that. So those people
Speaker 1: that do all these things and ceremonies, why would they
Speaker 1: have people do ceremonies, They don't understand because they're harnessing
Speaker 1: that energy, that's why. Yeah, and so they're taking that
Speaker 1: and what is the number? Okay, so they're doing the
Speaker 1: work for the dead. When you go through the first time,
Speaker 1: it's for you, but every time subsequently is for a
Speaker 1: dead person. So what does necromancy provide you if it
Speaker 1: works the gift of sight to see? And what is
Speaker 1: the profit a seer and revelator?
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a good point in regardless of the
Speaker 5: calling though of the of the of the new.
Speaker 6: Prophet, seer and revelator the president of the church.
Speaker 5: I often wonder how that goes down, right, Yeah, because
Speaker 5: they have to have some sort of witness right, I
Speaker 5: don't remember. I don't recall the precise details, but I
Speaker 5: do recall there being some sort of witnesses required in
Speaker 5: that process. And I've always this is they're very ambiguous.
Speaker 5: I believe in the exact particulars there the Well was
Speaker 5: saying there now.
Speaker 1: Right now, it's.
Speaker 6: Ritualistic whatever's going on there?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 8: Okay, follow up question? Sorry, sorry, Heidi, I don't be sorry. Okay,
Speaker 8: So two fall up questions. So uh one, my second
Speaker 8: question will depend on the first one. So is there
Speaker 8: contention and how the profits have been named?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 8: Yes, okay, So this is an idea in prophecy, just
Speaker 8: from my perspective. All someone has to do is change
Speaker 8: it so slightly. You know, if you have a son,
Speaker 8: if you have a cousin, if you have a brother,
Speaker 8: that you would rather them take the place. Especially for Mormons,
Speaker 8: all you have to do is say it came from
Speaker 8: the higher source. Since you are tapped into the higher source.
Speaker 8: That's not a really, that's not really a it's called
Speaker 8: we would call that a skillful mistruth. So it's not
Speaker 8: quite a lie, but it is skillful. So it's not
Speaker 8: the person that maybe the angel said it should be
Speaker 8: if you're believing it. I don't personally believe in spirits,
Speaker 8: like I believe in them, but I don't take notes
Speaker 8: from them. And so yeah, so all you'd have to
Speaker 8: do is just change it ever so slightly or change
Speaker 8: your wording. Because a lot of them are lawyers, right,
Speaker 8: so they understand this idea of like how you can
Speaker 8: stretch the truth like very well, like that's kind of
Speaker 8: the point of law. So I just think that there's
Speaker 8: something interesting, like people could say it was a lie
Speaker 8: if you if you misappointed someone, but there's a magical
Speaker 8: way to think of it.
Speaker 2: That's like you can kind of get around a direct.
Speaker 4: Lie, get around the karmic Well.
Speaker 1: I do find it interesting that you bring up lawyers
Speaker 1: because Joseph's great great grandpa was an attorney and he
Speaker 1: was a statesman, and he also was a part of
Speaker 1: the Boston Tea Party and so actually they say he
Speaker 1: was the one that organized it. And so these people
Speaker 1: come from by Salem, they don't come from where they
Speaker 1: say they do.
Speaker 4: They just don't want that on their on their shoulders, right.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, say brother, cousin and father, you know,
Speaker 5: passing on the uh, you know, the the power to
Speaker 5: you know, sometimes when you're neeling with the Mormons, sometimes
Speaker 5: that's the same person your brother, your brother, your brother cousin.
Speaker 4: It's your brother cousin.
Speaker 8: Well, this is something interesting because it's like I brought
Speaker 8: this up several times. I'm sorry, Nick. Is that the
Speaker 8: Owen Davies book on grimoires. So the really the I
Speaker 8: would say, three quarters of the Inquisitions where we could
Speaker 8: say probably really it's really about finding source the publishing
Speaker 8: of grimoires. That's really what the inquisitions were about, later
Speaker 8: as the Jesuits round them. Originally the Dominicans were doing
Speaker 8: something you could read as good in the sense that
Speaker 8: they were wiping out what they would think of as
Speaker 8: Satanic calls. But later they were really about the publishing,
Speaker 8: so you could maybe you could read Salem as also
Speaker 8: kind of taking place in this like yes, it's framed
Speaker 8: as witches, it's framed as like, you know, Tituba, who's
Speaker 8: really interestingly from the Bahamas. She's not really, she's probably
Speaker 8: even she might be Afro indigenous, but she's probably not,
Speaker 8: so she's probably just fully indigenous from the Bahamas, whatever
Speaker 8: that is.
Speaker 1: And then well, his grandpa was involved in the inquisition.
Speaker 1: He was an accuser. He actually had his sister in
Speaker 1: law put to death.
Speaker 8: That's interesting even that word the accuser, because that is
Speaker 8: something of Mars. Heidie Like, it's like, I'm sure you
Speaker 8: know this is and Nick also knows. We've been talking
Speaker 8: about it. Is this like idea of like what is
Speaker 8: the negative sort of formation of like the spheres of
Speaker 8: the planets, and the accuser is actually the it's the
Speaker 8: klipa of Mars. So that is kind of interesting accusing
Speaker 8: someone of doing something specifically that you had yourself have done.
Speaker 1: And what is on their family knife. It's called the
Speaker 1: Mars knife because the sigil of Mars is embedded in
Speaker 1: their knife.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So so I'm glad Jenn was here for that one
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't have thought about that on my own.
Speaker 4: I know that all those separately and not together.
Speaker 1: So yeah, And I just think that that was another
Speaker 1: nod with Crowley being so fascinated with Joseph Smith that
Speaker 1: you know, like knows like and I think he recognized
Speaker 1: a magician in Joseph Smith, and I think he knew
Speaker 1: exactly what was going on. And I think it's funny too,
Speaker 1: because if you're gonna be guilty of something, what are
Speaker 1: you going to do. You're gonna blame another person so
Speaker 1: vehemently like me thinks you protest too much, right, and
Speaker 1: he's like, no, she's the witch. Yeah, she's the witch.
Speaker 8: So yeah, because mass owned all the grimoires, that was
Speaker 8: sort of the point.
Speaker 2: I sorry, I missed that about Bowen, Davey Sink. But
Speaker 2: the men own the grimoires. So when they.
Speaker 8: Say, oh, it's about the witches, it's about like the things,
Speaker 8: that's not really what it's about. It's really about getting
Speaker 8: at other people's compot. Maybe it was about impiled to grimoires,
Speaker 8: because we know a lot of people would make addendums
Speaker 8: to their especially those like Hugiano or pure. I've only
Speaker 8: seen the huge O version, so I apologies, but I
Speaker 8: assume the Puritan Bibles are similar.
Speaker 2: They would add.
Speaker 8: Little notes in the margins, little things like get compiled focus.
Speaker 4: They had parchments, they had magical laymen's so.
Speaker 2: That completely makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I can show them if you want, so, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I will do that. Yeah, because it's very interesting and
Speaker 1: the things that you're saying, I think one hundred percent play.
Speaker 1: And this is kind of where I've always kind of
Speaker 1: gone with it is that it's not for no reason
Speaker 1: that this stuff keeps popping up, right, the canes and
Speaker 1: the parchments and all this stuff, It's got to mean more.
Speaker 1: And that was where I kind of started things, because
Speaker 1: his mom is quoted as saying, we don't just sit
Speaker 1: around and draw things to the House of the barac
Speaker 1: all day and stuff like that. So I'm just like, no,
Speaker 1: she didn't do it on accident. Did you do you
Speaker 1: see this?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yep? That is one of the Smith family parchments, one
Speaker 1: of three, same.
Speaker 6: Cycle as the integratron there yep.
Speaker 1: And if you notice, and and Jen will probably know this,
Speaker 1: when you leave them open. When you are calling down
Speaker 1: a certain thing and it doesn't have a seal, that
Speaker 1: means you have a working relationship with that spirit. And
Speaker 1: so you know, when you're when you're telling it what
Speaker 1: to do, you have a seal. But when you're when
Speaker 1: you've got a working relationship with it, it's a little
Speaker 1: bit different. You're not so much commanding. So uh, I
Speaker 1: find it interesting that he was an unlearned farmer. Don't
Speaker 1: you know. There's one let me tell let's see, there's three.
Speaker 1: H let me minimize that and find it on second.
Speaker 5: So when you said folk wisdom, there jen that that
Speaker 5: kind of you know, that's kind of right where I'm
Speaker 5: at with thinking the origins of the Mormons. So well,
Speaker 5: yes it has origins in freemasonry. It to me, it
Speaker 5: clearly has origins in this Vermont, remote Vermont, you know, the.
Speaker 1: Martinism, the Martinism, And it makes me very curious. As
Speaker 1: I read some books from Peter Lavenda, there is something
Speaker 1: called Volk magic so freaking similar, and I.
Speaker 8: Was like, it's I did Nick JJ and I did
Speaker 8: a show on De Laurence Company Heidi and Uh we
Speaker 8: talked a little bit about like Dutch pow wow. Well
Speaker 8: this is basically Dutch powow magic. It is like the bombs,
Speaker 8: the seals, the ways you use your.
Speaker 1: Very solomonic magic.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but they include like they'll drawing a couple of saints,
Speaker 8: maybe they're not saints, is like how Protestant thinks of it.
Speaker 8: But it's like, as a Catholic looking at it, that
Speaker 8: would how that's how it would be.
Speaker 2: But there are actually profits from the Bible.
Speaker 10: So there is something kind of similar like what you're
Speaker 10: talking about, Like there is this kind of like with NJJ,
Speaker 10: there is this kind of Northeastern magic that is very America.
Speaker 4: I think it's Celtic if I remember correctly.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get the baptisms from the dead like.
Speaker 5: That's long been an interest of mine because I've done
Speaker 5: baptisms for the dead in the temples numerous times in
Speaker 5: my earlier years, So I've long wondered the origins of
Speaker 5: this practice. It doesn't seem to be freemasonry, so to
Speaker 5: say it's simply freemasonries. It is largely freemasonry, yes, for sure,
Speaker 5: there's no doubt about that, but there's other elements they've
Speaker 5: matched together and there in a Krowalley esque the Lima
Speaker 5: fashion matching these things together.
Speaker 1: But it's the combination of that seems to be some.
Speaker 6: Sort of folklore magic of some regard.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's magic mixed with masonry.
Speaker 1: But also like when you look at this, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't miss the kabala involved in here, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean harmonic seals. You can't.
Speaker 8: It's it's one to one even when you I'm not
Speaker 8: saying that people should do this, but if you buy them,
Speaker 8: like the Botanic booklet seals that come on, like the
Speaker 8: vegetable parchment they they have, they come in their planetary colors,
Speaker 8: so they're not prepared. You have to do all the
Speaker 8: prep yourself. I've done it probably hundreds of times, but
Speaker 8: you basically have to You just have the imprint and
Speaker 8: then you have to like consecrate it from scratch. So
Speaker 8: you could say, jj that it's folk magic because it's
Speaker 8: like taken out of its like original form. Like if
Speaker 8: you pass down Agrippa, yeah, you'd be a decent ceremonial magician.
Speaker 8: You could like figure out a lot of things with
Speaker 8: the Three Books, Sure, no problem. But you could also
Speaker 8: say that this is part of like that higher knowledge
Speaker 8: as well, Like even.
Speaker 1: Though they see that one too, can you see this?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, So that's what I'm saying, Jim, Like it
Speaker 7: seems like you know the Kabala, I mean obviously you
Speaker 7: know you have influences of Freemasonry, et cetera, But like, oh,
Speaker 7: use other elements, like again the baptism for the dead.
Speaker 5: That's always been a weird one to me, Like is
Speaker 5: there any other are you familiar gen with the origin
Speaker 5: story of where that might come from?
Speaker 8: So the Manicheans, the Manicheans actually did this. So a
Speaker 8: lot of weird things come from the Manicheans actually, like
Speaker 8: the idea of like the pillars not being the blue
Speaker 8: and the red is more of the primordial idea, and
Speaker 8: then it became the black and the white, right like
Speaker 8: the Masonic pillars, the Kabbalistic pillars. But red and blue
Speaker 8: is really the primordial colors. So but Minikianism really is
Speaker 8: this idea of the block and the white. Everything is
Speaker 8: like it's either of God or it's anti God.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 8: There's no there's no current that's useful going to the
Speaker 8: other side. So it's only one. It only goes one way,
Speaker 8: you could say. So they're very dualistic. And they also
Speaker 8: did this these baptisms of the dead in order to
Speaker 8: bring in these people who they thought would just be
Speaker 8: forever trapped in the cycle of reincarnation. They thought, oh,
Speaker 8: we're going to baptize these people and then they can
Speaker 8: hear because people who were I guess practitioners and many
Speaker 8: Chianism they were called hearers. Like a lot what Heidi says,
Speaker 8: like just the goyam, the people that they're not worthy
Speaker 8: of hearing, of having a voice, They just like they're
Speaker 8: just hearing what the elect are saying, and that's even
Speaker 8: what they're you know, religious leaders were called the elect,
Speaker 8: So I think that that has a lot to do
Speaker 8: with us in it.
Speaker 1: Did they ever touch them onto living people, because that's
Speaker 1: been my question.
Speaker 6: Attached like sides all these body things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've thought of it, because here's the thing we're looking.
Speaker 4: Okay, so multiple things are happening in the temple.
Speaker 1: You're using portal mirrors when you're getting married, and you
Speaker 1: know you're over an altar. We don't know what's in
Speaker 1: that altar. We also do typhony and stuff like when
Speaker 1: we do the payala ill this this is what we do.
Speaker 4: And we do it three times.
Speaker 1: And I'm just telling you guys like like this, this
Speaker 1: is how I got married.
Speaker 4: So see the mirrors facing each other and create the portal.
Speaker 1: And as you get married over the altar, you look
Speaker 1: into them and say you see it forever and ever, And.
Speaker 6: Then I did I did not know that. That's interesting, yes.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 4: You do it every time you do a marriage for somebody.
Speaker 5: Right right, which is you know that's very exclusive. You
Speaker 5: know you got to be both be the you know,
Speaker 5: the the folks getting married to be members but the
Speaker 5: folks attending have to be members too, right, and they
Speaker 5: have to get approvals.
Speaker 6: Correct.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, only my family that recommends could go.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You can't just go. There's no way. My
Speaker 1: dad couldn't go.
Speaker 6: You even if you're just a member, you still have
Speaker 6: to get the temple recommend right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, would either.
Speaker 2: Should you look in the mirror, I'll say this.
Speaker 4: Yes, let me pull that up again. I have another
Speaker 4: one here too.
Speaker 1: So this is what it creates. It is a portal.
Speaker 1: And I truly believe that they are attaching spirits because
Speaker 1: think of the spirits that are here that are not
Speaker 1: legally here. If you believe in angels mating with women,
Speaker 1: those people that were created from that or those beings
Speaker 1: did not have a spirit sanctioned by the creator. They
Speaker 1: were made illegally. And so what does it say in
Speaker 1: the Bible about that these things wander after they die
Speaker 1: looking for a place to rest. And that's why in
Speaker 1: you know, when you talk to Jewish people, they'll say,
Speaker 1: there's demons everywhere, and they're all over us all the time,
Speaker 1: like literally, like it would suffocate the room if you
Speaker 1: could see them. So when you think about it, like
Speaker 1: are they trapping anything here because the pentagram that they
Speaker 1: have outside on the temple, let me show you it's
Speaker 1: upside down, and and then they have a pentacle. I
Speaker 1: think the pentacle is right side up if I have
Speaker 1: it in this one.
Speaker 5: And the same concept as body things for scientology essentially, that's.
Speaker 1: How I feel. That that's what I feel.
Speaker 8: Okay, I have a question for Nick about there you go.
Speaker 8: Did you notice any colors or thought it was interesting
Speaker 8: for any reason?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 3: Well s, I didn't think, you know, something up with
Speaker 3: the gold probably and then the.
Speaker 1: Even the gold is probably knowledge, don't you think, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And then like that looked like there was like kind
Speaker 3: of green going down the middle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought so too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that I found interesting, Like.
Speaker 8: It's a it's a diamond because there's a crystals like
Speaker 8: from the lear there's a crystal illumination and then it's
Speaker 8: going into green, so you're coming back down into nutsalk
Speaker 8: into the diamond.
Speaker 1: Also, we were given to us by Lucifer in the temple.
Speaker 1: I'll show you that with figs. Yeah, that would. And
Speaker 1: his sigil is to Venus. One of those sigils is
Speaker 1: to Venus. Because I've dissected all of them, and just
Speaker 1: for fun, so that you know, that guy that built
Speaker 1: the integriton said the aliens he saw were from Venus,
Speaker 1: that they came to him in his bedroom at night,
Speaker 1: at the foot of his bed, and they were from Venus.
Speaker 8: Just so you know, well that makes sense in the
Speaker 8: environmental stuff that you were talking about. Because okay, so hypothetically, again,
Speaker 8: I don't speak to angels, but if I did, or
Speaker 8: angels from any planet anyway, they.
Speaker 1: They're like, don't come at me.
Speaker 11: Angels, don't come at me, bro, But they but they
Speaker 11: angels of Venus would be they would be protecting the
Speaker 11: fortress or protecting the garden.
Speaker 8: So it would be like protecting the natural world. That
Speaker 8: would be like a big part of their function like that.
Speaker 8: You would not that the garden is supposed to be
Speaker 8: pristine in their view, so we were we are never
Speaker 8: supposed to like kind of you know, like tame, like
Speaker 8: we're not such dominion over it. Like that idea from
Speaker 8: the Bible would be kind of antithetical to what angels
Speaker 8: of Venus would think of the world.
Speaker 1: These are our outfits, but these are this is a
Speaker 1: very unclear picture because somebody snuck in and took these
Speaker 1: and this is no shit. New name Noah, shout out you,
Speaker 1: but new name Noah snuck in with some Google glasses.
Speaker 1: This picture shows dark aprons, but they are green. They're
Speaker 1: very dark green with fig leaves on them and one
Speaker 1: sided robe. Yeah, and then we get there. They're praying
Speaker 1: in the circle right now, and then they're going to
Speaker 1: raise up their hands and say, oh God, hear the
Speaker 1: words of my mouth because they changed it, but they
Speaker 1: used to say peley l and if you look it up,
Speaker 1: it's a bad translation because I don't think he was
Speaker 1: very good at a Hebrew But anyway, whatever, and so
Speaker 1: this is the temple garb that you wear like it's
Speaker 1: just what you do. And I remember going and thinking
Speaker 1: this is not where I belong. This is bad idea.
Speaker 1: I was super scared. I was like, uh, And the
Speaker 1: devil actually comes in the so Lucifer comes in. This
Speaker 1: session takes like two hours, and you're in the Garden
Speaker 1: of Eden and you are going through the whole fall,
Speaker 1: and everybody has two parts to get a new name.
Speaker 1: They give you a new name at the veil and
Speaker 1: all these things happen. But when you're there and Joseph
Speaker 1: or Joseph, when Adam gets kicked out of the Garden
Speaker 1: of Eden. He's praying and he's sad and he's crying
Speaker 1: out for God.
Speaker 4: But but God doesn't show up.
Speaker 1: And who shows up Lucifer, and he says, hey, you
Speaker 1: better get dressed. Here, put this on because God's going
Speaker 1: to see what you did, so you better put this on.
Speaker 1: And then everybody stands. They say please stand, and the
Speaker 1: men are on one side, the women are on the other.
Speaker 1: And then you get up and put your apron on
Speaker 1: this little fig leaves from Lucifer. I was always like,
Speaker 1: why the hell are we doing what Lucifer told us
Speaker 1: to do? What is happening right now?
Speaker 8: Well it makes I mean, everything you said makes perfect
Speaker 8: sense from a cobola sik Len, like perfectly you have
Speaker 8: the green flashing of Banah. So that's an idea, that's
Speaker 8: like how the diamond crystallizes. That's why it comes into
Speaker 8: the density that it does. But then it's also the
Speaker 8: gardens pristine. That's the idea of the garden. That's why
Speaker 8: it's dark green because it's self luminous like jade is
Speaker 8: another color. Malachite its stones that light cannot pass through.
Speaker 8: But because the light is there right. You're saying that
Speaker 8: Lucifer comes to the garden.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he comes and says put it on, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you all stand and do it.
Speaker 8: Herb above that's a you know, a plant of venus
Speaker 8: as well.
Speaker 1: So you said green and I had to pull up
Speaker 1: this stone. You know, Joseph Smith had a lot of stones,
Speaker 1: but this was one. This was one of his stones,
Speaker 1: and I found that interesting as you said that, that
Speaker 1: popped into my head.
Speaker 6: So is that one of his seeing stones that he
Speaker 6: was Yeah.
Speaker 1: They say that he liked this one the best, but
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think there's a white one
Speaker 1: that that he probably used the most. Because the church
Speaker 1: refuses to even give anything of it except a rendition,
Speaker 1: an artist rendition. I have the artist's rendition of it,
Speaker 1: but that's it. Here's the artist transition. I my guess exactly.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, he knew too much to be a dumb
Speaker 1: farm boy like and his family was too prominent. Like
Speaker 1: his family. His brothers off a Dartmouth Indian College. They
Speaker 1: call it the Dartmouth Indian College piece. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think he had a lot of access to books
Speaker 1: because he was sick. You know, what are you going
Speaker 1: to bring your brother home that's laid up with typhoid
Speaker 1: fever and has all this pushtul and almost died and
Speaker 1: you know, all this crap in his leg. Well how
Speaker 1: about books?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And those very Bamon towns were very well educated
Speaker 5: despite being you know, the mountain folk, very well educated.
Speaker 5: And you know, I think there's a lot to be
Speaker 5: said about some of the origins of where he learned
Speaker 5: these things amongst those towns up there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely this is a rendition from a neighbor's testimony in
Speaker 1: the Glass Looker case. This is a drawing of what
Speaker 1: he described happened when they would come and do treasure digging.
Speaker 1: And so you know, there's a lot of things they
Speaker 1: leave out of the story, which are like the practices
Speaker 1: with Sidney Rignan in the caves afterward, and the whole
Speaker 1: bunch of other sketchy stuff. But they just don't want
Speaker 1: to go into it. And I think, you know, what,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're Mormon and you want to, you know,
Speaker 1: be a part of the Mormon Church, and they really
Speaker 1: wanted to help you, like they say they do, why
Speaker 1: do they have so many ignorant people that don't know
Speaker 1: anything because they are using people, and that is why
Speaker 1: I'm pissed off at them. It isn't because they do magic.
Speaker 1: I could give a shit less. It's because they do
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff and they're harnessing the energy from
Speaker 1: it for their self, and that is just that to me,
Speaker 1: is just diabolical. You know.
Speaker 2: So well? And interesting?
Speaker 1: Sorry, Look at the symbols on the temple their gin.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, okay, So that sigil that you show of
Speaker 8: Joseph Smith's you had a modern like sort of the
Speaker 8: modern we'll call it the updated uh Pentacle of Solomon
Speaker 8: for it, it's the Pentacle of Jupiter. And interestingly, that
Speaker 8: pentacle is used for exactly what you were just talking about.
Speaker 8: It's used to cast away spirits, protecting treasure.
Speaker 1: And his whole table on this because I this was
Speaker 1: his Jupiter talisman that he had. They say it wasn't
Speaker 1: quite correct and that it possibly led to his death
Speaker 1: because instead of prosperity, it was kind of a curse
Speaker 1: upon his life because it wasn't quite right on the
Speaker 1: table there. But either way, you know anybody that you
Speaker 1: know well or you can look up that is an
Speaker 1: actual practitioner of magic. If you do not know exactly
Speaker 1: what you're doing like people that want to just go
Speaker 1: buy stuff, and like, well, I'm just gonna think you
Speaker 1: do this today. You best be careful because I postulate
Speaker 1: and Jin's here today and this isn't what we were
Speaker 1: talking about. But if you guys are good with it,
Speaker 1: I'll keep talking. I just did a full comparison of
Speaker 1: Crowley and Joseph Smith, and I think he did the abermelon.
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent think he was looking for HGA.
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent think he was calling out to
Speaker 1: things specifically. And I don't think he closed anything after
Speaker 1: if he got it. And that's a problem because once
Speaker 1: you open, if you don't close, we all know where
Speaker 1: the Lochness Monster supposedly came from.
Speaker 8: Right, Well, this is interesting at what you're saying, very
Speaker 8: very interesting to me. And I told you last time
Speaker 8: that this idea of him as a magician, like as
Speaker 8: a full fledge, like he's all the way, he's thirty three,
Speaker 8: he's thirty four, Okay, But what you're saying is like
Speaker 8: maybe he didn't know. It's like what JJ is saying,
Speaker 8: there's like the folk tradition, so it's like folk Martinism.
Speaker 8: And I'm not saying that it's a sortative, but maybe
Speaker 8: there's not like a long line attrition where the Catholics
Speaker 8: they have Rosicrucianism.
Speaker 2: So a lot of the priests understand.
Speaker 8: A lot of the you know, people who are running
Speaker 8: the institution understands. But like with these kind of like
Speaker 8: rebel hugeon O's and Puritans, there's no one, there's no
Speaker 8: like great faction running the show. So some of the
Speaker 8: knowledge may have gotten like a little bit lost, a
Speaker 8: little forgotten.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think that he well well and if
Speaker 1: possibly which I think Lumen Walters was the one that
Speaker 1: helped him. But also you have to remember when he
Speaker 1: got sick, and JJ can attest to this. When he
Speaker 1: got sick, he has always been it's always been said
Speaker 1: like and then he just laid up in the kitchen
Speaker 1: with his mom, Right, JJ, have you ever heard anything
Speaker 1: else different, Like basically he's laying around the house, he's
Speaker 1: getting better. No, they sent him to Salem. No, they
Speaker 1: sent him to his uncle Jesse. And I found this
Speaker 1: way later and I was like, I never heard this before.
Speaker 1: What And so he's at that age, that critical learning
Speaker 1: age where maybe Jesse taught him some things and then
Speaker 1: Lumen Walters comes and teaches him some things, and maybe
Speaker 1: none of it was complete, because but he knew enough
Speaker 1: to become a master mason in a day. I know that.
Speaker 1: So he did have enough knowledge to pass a lot
Speaker 1: of tests. And in fact, one of the angels that
Speaker 1: I showed you in the sigil that was black and white,
Speaker 1: is actually a Freemason password, so it was Jebulon. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, he knew enough to know how to
Speaker 1: get in trouble. I think, no, fourteen years old when
Speaker 1: he went up to Salem.
Speaker 6: Was that about fourteen?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But then no, I think he was quite younger.
Speaker 1: I think he might have been around ten or eleven,
Speaker 1: because that was when his leg his leg was early
Speaker 1: in life. I think he was maybe seven or eight,
Speaker 1: and it lasted for a long time. They were going
Speaker 1: to cut his leg off, but instead they drained it
Speaker 1: and it was pushing out the bone shards.
Speaker 4: It was like this horrible situation, and we all know that, like.
Speaker 1: If you have a life or death, you know thing,
Speaker 1: then that can also play into it where he would
Speaker 1: be more open, you know at that point. So I
Speaker 1: mean good points.
Speaker 5: I've always wondered that story is accurate as far as
Speaker 5: it was a miraculous tale of recovery because he's some
Speaker 5: sort of profit and overlord type of deal, you know.
Speaker 1: But there's obviously something got in there.
Speaker 6: For something going there, right, Maybe that's a cover story,
Speaker 6: who knows.
Speaker 1: Or something got in him when he was down, like
Speaker 1: and helped him live the rest of his days. I
Speaker 1: always wonder about that, like what if you say you'll
Speaker 1: do anything literally or was it his parents, you know,
Speaker 1: did he you know? Who knows? But I do know this.
Speaker 1: It gets very thousands.
Speaker 6: Long around that time, you know, not destiny from north
Speaker 6: to south.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of this kind of ceremonial magic,
Speaker 5: cold activity going on.
Speaker 1: Yes, he wasn't the only one. I think he just
Speaker 1: got killed because he had a fat mouth. So the
Speaker 1: king fall it, the King fall it sermon. If you
Speaker 1: look it up, it's very cabalistic in nature. It's also
Speaker 1: talking about plural deities. And I think they were just
Speaker 1: done with his shit. Like I think they were like, okay, look,
Speaker 1: first you're banging everybody's wives. Now you're doing this like
Speaker 1: that's enough. You know. That's my thoughts. He did marry
Speaker 1: William Morgan's X Well not ex wife widow. I suppose
Speaker 1: that many, many point their finger that Joseph had a
Speaker 1: part to do with his disappearance.
Speaker 5: So politically speaking, he was kind of the Donald Trump
Speaker 5: of his day, involved in numerous industries. In fact, he
Speaker 5: had the second largest militia in America, just slightly smaller
Speaker 5: than the US Army.
Speaker 6: You know, the governor of Illinois was not going to
Speaker 6: mess with them.
Speaker 5: The Mormon militia was far far larger than the Illinois militia.
Speaker 5: So very powerful, dude, bank banking guy politics. So he's
Speaker 5: kind of the you know, the Donald Trump of his day,
Speaker 5: if you will.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he ran the president. Yeah, yeah, president. I
Speaker 1: think it's not wrong.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I think may have got him killed. Right,
Speaker 5: there was the I'm gonna run for president, make this
Speaker 5: entire country. Mormon came boy.
Speaker 1: And then you know about the Quorum of the fifty two.
Speaker 1: There's that hidden fifty inside where they don't ever talk
Speaker 1: about it. And I think that he knew enough to
Speaker 1: set it up really well because they're like, oh, he
Speaker 1: never read the Book of Knock. And then he made
Speaker 1: something like the whole communistic community that he was making,
Speaker 1: where you give every thing it was like the Order
Speaker 1: of I think he called it the Order of Enoch,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, well, you guys are dumb, like
Speaker 1: hide your history better if you don't want anybody to
Speaker 1: find it check it out. Weird. But anyways, with that,
Speaker 1: we will wait for the rest of this fun stuff
Speaker 1: with RFK and how it plugs in there, it's quite
Speaker 1: more fun.
Speaker 4: I think Jin will like it better because we're going
Speaker 4: to talk more.
Speaker 1: About the seance, although we did talk about aliens from Venus,
Speaker 1: so that was pretty fun.
Speaker 2: I love all of it.
Speaker 8: I love the Nixon stuff I have, like I kind
Speaker 8: of I interpret it like they're all magicians, they're all mafia.
Speaker 2: Like I don't really pick sides.
Speaker 6: Yeah cool.
Speaker 1: Oh I think I found when I was looking, and
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to misspeak, but I will
Speaker 1: say I'm ninety eight percent sure Joseph Smith is related
Speaker 1: to the Rockefellers.
Speaker 4: To be continued Next time on that, I'll bring some
Speaker 4: actual proof because then that makes one hundred percent since
Speaker 4: what Jin just said, like, yeah, it's one big circle.
Speaker 5: Bring some proof of how his grandson married Lawrence Washington's
Speaker 5: great granddaughter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't surprise me. Yeah, it does not surprise me
Speaker 1: with it being he supposedly arranged the whole Boston tea party.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that until I did.
Speaker 6: I was thinking of when you said that exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never heard that before. You would think as
Speaker 1: patriotic as Mormon's are, they'd be like.
Speaker 6: And we did that.
Speaker 1: Yes right, No, never heard that before. But a Mormon
Speaker 1: all my life except for the last what decade, so
Speaker 1: weird gets weird.
Speaker 6: Never know, it's just super weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, now we're going to wrap it up. Yes, no,
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you, and thank you, uh, Jin and JJ.
Speaker 3: Let me let you guys plug your stuff now at
Speaker 3: the end of the show, JJ, real quick, let everybody
Speaker 3: know where they can find your amazing work PLESEA.
Speaker 5: JJ vance Tests of Operation GCD not the vice president,
Speaker 5: also no longer Mormon, but deeply fascinating on its topic
Speaker 5: due to the first.
Speaker 6: Twenty years of my life being Mormon.
Speaker 5: Awesome, thanksciate, appreciate the invite, Nick and Heidi. Great, great,
Speaker 5: great talking to you again.
Speaker 4: Awesome to talk. Can't wait till eachat again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, thank you for both. Thank you for joining
Speaker 3: j J, I always appreciate it. And Jin the Ninja
Speaker 3: what is up my man? Let everybody know where they
Speaker 3: can find your stuff, please, sir?
Speaker 8: All right, well thanks Boston say that fighting me perpetually
Speaker 8: on a series of course, JJ, who is I guess
Speaker 8: my my new co host on when I'm a Reject?
Speaker 8: And then Heidi, I've honestly, I'm like everything that I've
Speaker 8: learned has been quite profound and in a sense I'm
Speaker 8: thinking about everything in a different way because of one
Speaker 8: statement that yes he found his ahga, so you still
Speaker 8: have an awesome conversation. I think on my show eventually
Speaker 8: it will happen and hopefully and if you say yes
Speaker 8: and yeah and.
Speaker 1: So bringing my curly notes.
Speaker 8: Interesting because I kind of just look at it like, yeah,
Speaker 8: they kind of lie a lot.
Speaker 2: So for me, I don't take it like they they
Speaker 2: can do things maybe, but I don't know.
Speaker 8: I kind of think that they're you know, tall Tales
Speaker 8: is the greatest magicians to a ball.
Speaker 1: Well, the Angels always did lie. John d even says that,
Speaker 1: and then even Crawley later after he did the Book
Speaker 1: of the Law, later he was like, ah, they lied
Speaker 1: to be a wassu asshole. So with that, I'll quick
Speaker 1: cussing on your show and stuff though, Gin.
Speaker 3: You plugged everything.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you can find me, sorry, guys on Twitter,
Speaker 8: at wucom, re Born to the Uko and g Reborn.
Speaker 8: Also my show Threshold Saints a Spotify, Apple and anywhere
Speaker 8: you got your podcasts, And thank you guys so much
Speaker 8: really fun.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and you'll like we'll be on the bottom
Speaker 3: as well. And Heidi finally the guests. Let everybody know
Speaker 3: where they can find all your amazing work.
Speaker 4: Please, awesome, thank you again. I had a fun time.
Speaker 1: You guys are awesome, and it's always fun to talk
Speaker 1: Mormon stuff, especially Nick loves it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Mormons and Nazis, and so we're going to
Speaker 3: get into both. Yeah, I mean I love it.
Speaker 1: It's so good right like, and I am at the
Speaker 1: Unfiltered Rise yep, everywhere podcasts are served.
Speaker 4: I do have my own website, unfiltered Rise dot com.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to go to anywhere else, if
Speaker 1: you go to YouTube, you'll be sadly disappointed.
Speaker 4: They do not like me and do not like my work.
Speaker 1: I talk too much about weird things, so I get
Speaker 1: dinged enough. I am mostly on any other podchaser, so
Speaker 1: once a week on YouTube if it wasn't too spicy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome. Yeah, So everybody go check out their links.
Speaker 3: They're all on the bottom. Thank you all again, I
Speaker 3: really do appreciate you coming on. This is an awesome series. Again,
Speaker 3: it's a lot of it's a lot of stuff I
Speaker 3: don't know a lot of it, so I'm just like
Speaker 3: sitting here like what, what the fuck? But thank you.
Speaker 3: This is really really interesting and I'm really happy to
Speaker 3: have this on on the Occult Rejects. And that is
Speaker 3: the end of this one and until the next one,
Speaker 3: everybody be well later.
Speaker 8: Assass