WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:09.759 You see something's going to happen. What? 2 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:15.519 What? 4 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:28.239 I welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, I got 5 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:31.199 the same people that were with me in part one. 6 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:34.880 I got my partner in crime, Lisa, the Occult reject 7 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:39.119 med scientists joining us. I also got Jin the ninja 8 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:43.840 from Threshold Saints, and I got jj Vance not the 9 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:46.880 vice president. If you want to check out all of 10 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.840 their stuff, their links are in the bottom. And the 11 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:55.399 guest of the hour of the episode today again Heidi, Heidi. 12 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:57.439 In case there's people who are catching you for the 13 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:00.119 first time, which if they are highly suggested to go 14 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:02.600 back to part one. But if you're going to continue 15 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:04.439 to listen, Heidi, would you like to let everybody know 16 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:06.159 kind of what your deal is and where they can 17 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:06.920 find all your work? 18 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:07.239 Please? 19 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:10.200 You bet? You guys have such better names than me. 20 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:13.120 I'm Heidi Love. My parents actually named me that. That's 21 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:16.560 like my real name, and so that's what I go 22 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:19.400 by because why not, right, I Mean, they were kind 23 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:23.799 of crazy hippies, so why not keep it? And I 24 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:27.040 am at the Unfiltered Rise podcast. I'm everywhere podcasts are served. 25 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:30.439 I do a plethora of things on there, but for 26 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:33.079 my stuff if you search me out, because you probably 27 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:34.680 won't see too much of my stuff on my own 28 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:37.879 channel because that's weird, and you'll just have to look 29 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:40.200 for my name and my podcast. And I talk a 30 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:42.760 lot about the Mormon Church because I was one, and 31 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:44.760 I grew up in it, I was born in it. 32 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:47.959 My family's pioneer Mormons kind of got a hit piece 33 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.000 done on me for saying Mormon royalty. What I mean 34 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.920 is my family was royalty and then they came here 35 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:58.319 and they were Mormon, not like Mormon Royalty of the Mormons. 36 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:00.680 I guess they did need to clarify that. So there's that. 37 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:03.920 And today we're going to talk about some more of 38 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:08.840 Howard Hughes and exactly how the Mormon Church always seems 39 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:13.080 to be everywhere we turnaround. Oh yes, thanks so much 40 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:14.199 for having me on ELL. 41 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:17.639 Yeah, thank you. No, this is an amazing, amazing story. 42 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:20.599 And like again, people haven't caught part one. Please stuff 43 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:22.719 from there, you know, but this is definitely going to 44 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:26.360 be a spider web, and from what I'm guessing, probably 45 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:27.960 at least three to four parts. 46 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:33.560 So yeah, it goes. So this one today will be 47 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:38.639 more circled around like early days Mayhew, and then we're 48 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:41.680 going to get into Watergate and then after that, and 49 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:44.919 Watergate's so important to this whole picture because and also 50 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:48.240 Howard Hughes's death and so when you talk about Howard 51 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:53.439 Hughes's death, what is like the ramifications afterward? 52 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:56.080 Where does the money go? Who gets all that it? 53 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:58.360 And it also involves Mormons because of course it does. 54 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:02.280 So I'm present here in one second. Let me get 55 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:06.479 this screen ready, And it's an interesting dive I never 56 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:09.120 expected to go down. So that's kind of a fun 57 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:11.039 piece of it too, just because. 58 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:12.840 You never know where it's going to take you. 59 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:16.240 It got weird. So that's that's all I know. 60 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:19.919 So I've got that pulled up. I'm gonna send present. 61 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:25.520 I know one thing we discussed last time, Hattie was, 62 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:27.879 you know, one of the questions you pointed out was 63 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:30.879 kind of the question mark surrounding whether or not Howard 64 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:34.159 Hughes with some sort of spook or CIA operative, you know. 65 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.000 And I know we discussed the Glomar ship in the 66 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:40.680 last last podcast, which I think that's a traffic because 67 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:43.960 that's where the term glom Lomar response comes from. 68 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:47.680 I belief in regards to freedom of information, I requests. 69 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:51.199 Right, And I do think it's super interesting that he 70 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:54.800 was kind of obsessed with Atlantis. And then if you 71 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:57.759 look at the name and and look at where that 72 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.240 comes from, like the project that they called it, and 73 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:05.680 it's an Atlantean project, and so I just I just 74 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:06.879 think it's very strange. 75 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:08.280 I didn't bring that one with me, but. 76 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:12.159 It is definitely a name of Atlantis, and so I 77 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:15.199 just find it weird that not Glomar they called it. 78 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.680 What was the name of that the actual project? Do 79 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:19.680 you remember, jj. 80 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:23.199 Oh, I don't remember the actual project. 81 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:28.920 Yes, that's it right there. Yes, that is an Atlantean term. 82 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.639 And so I do think Howard Hughes was dialed in. 83 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:36.040 I do think he has the knowledge of like what 84 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:39.519 people would like to see in the future released, and 85 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:42.279 I do think it's going to play into today and 86 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:45.800 so like our day and age, not this presentation, although 87 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:49.199 it does. And so can you guys see this slide 88 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:55.000 okay for sumacor yes, okay? Perfect. So a little bit 89 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:57.759 about Hughes and what happened on our last one is 90 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.399 we were kind of wrapping up with it, you know, 91 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.680 one of the agents for the Mayhew kind of organization 92 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:06.720 which he gets labeled into the Mormon mafia, and he's 93 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:08.600 not a Mormon, so it's kind of fun. But he 94 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:12.920 was a very big spy and he was excessively dialed 95 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:17.439 in when we talk about hits, yeah, and so he 96 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:21.360 was very dirty, completely involved in also the Bay of Pigs, 97 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:25.680 which is super important, and he does have Watergate ties 98 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:28.360 as well. So we'll get kind of talk with him 99 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:30.759 a little bit today, but not as much. He's going 100 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:32.600 to come up from time to time, but he's not 101 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:34.839 the main focus because he was kind of the last time. 102 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:38.120 But Assumer Corporation was kind of this thing that they 103 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.560 all fought over and it was funny because Howard Hughes 104 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:44.319 owned it, but he did he wasn't on his own board, 105 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:48.360 and so it kind of changes company hands a lot, 106 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:50.480 and Mayhew at one point was running it and then 107 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:52.639 Gay ends up running it and he's the Mormon guy 108 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.480 and so it gets interesting. But Mayhew never goes away. 109 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:59.319 May Hugh's too big to go away. He's kind of 110 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:03.839 the too big to guys. So summacor wanted to. They 111 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.000 kind of had all of which Suma is also means 112 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:11.639 the top it means, and he had another like a 113 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.879 housing development in the area, kind of the same thing 114 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:18.319 as Mount Olympus, and it was called something Suma's Something, 115 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:20.959 and I was like, this is funny, little travel over, 116 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:24.959 but that's just a little tangent. So Sumacor owned all 117 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.519 of his corporations underneath of it, and he was getting 118 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:31.120 killed in taxes. He was just desperate to get out 119 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:34.600 from underneath the tax levies that he had, and he 120 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:37.639 didn't quite know how to do it. And so this 121 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:41.480 guy Bennett comes into the picture heavier on this episode. 122 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:43.839 And Bennett, we talked a tiny bit about last time, 123 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:48.360 and there's a book out and can you still see 124 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:50.319 me a little bit? I don't know if you can 125 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:54.639 see this book, but Age of Secrets and Gerald Bellett 126 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:56.800 is the one that was dictated to But this is 127 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.800 John Meyer's diary and he is a huge player in 128 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.600 this case, and he kind of blew He blew the 129 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:05.360 lid off everything on this and so everybody else kind 130 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:08.199 of kept their secrets and pay prosecuted him and tried 131 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.240 to throw him in prison for murder. So I think 132 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.759 he was just sick of it. And that's how this 133 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:17.360 whole story kind of comes out because Bennett never did 134 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:20.439 come clean, not even during Watergate did he come clean, 135 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:24.720 and so we don't get this information until super Way 136 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:28.439 later on Bennett and Bennett is a principal client at 137 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.759 the time of the Watergate scandal, but he also was 138 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:36.160 completely involved in the whole Howard Hughes business, in fact 139 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:41.399 being a part of SUMA Corporation himself at times. He 140 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.040 also was a twenty five year or twenty three year 141 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:50.560 Senate grandson, so his not grandson, his dad was in 142 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:52.759 the Senate, I believe, and then he went in the Senate. 143 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:55.319 And then he's also the grandson of Heber J. Grant, 144 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:59.160 and so that's important when you're talking in profits. And 145 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:02.959 he was as an LDS church chaplain from nineteen fifty 146 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:06.040 seven to nineteen sixty nine in the Utah Army National Guard, 147 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:11.439 and he became president of this Robert Mullen Company, and 148 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:14.600 the Robert Mullen Company is going to become very important 149 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:18.639 when we get into this Watergate situation because it's basically 150 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:24.040 a CIA front for companies, Okay. And he's also kind 151 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:28.800 of trying to work for Hughes under the level to 152 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.039 help him get somehow a tax deduction Okay, some way 153 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:36.320 he can stop getting completely raped for taxes, which I mean, 154 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:38.639 come on, I don't blame him, and people love Bob 155 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:40.360 Bennett and I hate to talk about him. And this 156 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.279 is when he becomes a senator himself, and I mean 157 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.840 I hated. I'm not talking bad about him, just some 158 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.879 of his decisions are interesting. And that's because honestly, he 159 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:50.960 was in the CIA and nobody knew, and he couldn't 160 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:53.679 tell the truth. He didn't even tell the truth later 161 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:56.080 when he's in all the Watergate hearings, like it doesn't 162 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.600 come out for a really long time. And during that time, 163 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:01.840 he served in the Army National Guard as a chaplain. 164 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:04.000 He actually was scouted out and was a part of 165 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:07.759 the CIA, but nobody knew this, like nobody. They just 166 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.519 thought he might be an asset or something. And then 167 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:14.440 he becomes integral into Howard Hughes because, like I said, 168 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.960 he takes over PR relations director for the summacor nineteen 169 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:19.159 seventy four to seventy eight. 170 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:23.080 He also secretly worked under George Bush for the CIA. 171 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:26.960 So remember George Bush there, because that's going to be important. 172 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:29.960 And he used this CIA front company. 173 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.960 Like I said, it's a pr Agency, especially for guess who. 174 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:35.519 And this is going to tie in to our friend 175 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:38.960 Justin who I missed desperately. He's great the Mormon Tabino 176 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:42.799 Go choir. So he also doesn't have a whole ton 177 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:45.960 of employees, but one of his employees is super fun guy. 178 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:46.360 It's E. 179 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.519 Howard Hunt, right, So once you get Howard Hunt in there, 180 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.279 you're like, Okay, he purchased this company. He gives you 181 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:58.200 know this E. Howard Hunt a job. Basically he also 182 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:01.360 gives Richard Holmes. It's all this stuff. Like it's basically 183 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:05.080 just cia guys and they're all older at this point 184 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:08.440 and kind of doing their thing. But at the same time, 185 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:12.080 like I said, he's trying to everybody is trying to 186 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:15.679 help Hughes get some sort of tax break. So he's 187 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.720 still helping even though he's doing his thing. Because Mullen 188 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:21.200 Company is not on its own, it's definitely under Hughes. 189 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:25.559 It's still kind of owned through that and we still 190 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:28.639 have May Hugh and he's still putting bugs in everybody's 191 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:32.240 ears for Hughes. And the thing about Hughes is is 192 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:35.799 he is literally desperate to do two things in his life. 193 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:40.039 Number one, get the tax break number two, stop the 194 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:44.519 Atomic Energy Commission from blowing shit up. Okay, And that's 195 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:48.639 because you know, Howard Hughes had Jack Parsons work for him. 196 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.799 I don't know if you guys knew that for a time. 197 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:56.159 Not only Jack Parsons, but he had this guy and 198 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:00.159 he's great. Let me find this paper that worked for him. 199 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:04.799 This guy, so he makes this time machine, he says, 200 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:07.519 and if you look at the symbol, JJ, I'm actually 201 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:11.600 glad you're here today. This was his pamphlet for this 202 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:16.360 whole nonprofit organization. It's kind of like a religious scientific experiment. 203 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.720 I'm going to find it. 204 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:21.039 Is this that this is that location in the in 205 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:23.200 the California desert like the gravitron. 206 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:26.840 Yes, yes, yes, yes, and his name is Van something. 207 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:27.879 I gotta find it. 208 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:33.159 But for a long time there, yes, and it still 209 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:34.039 they still go there. 210 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.480 They did, I think, tear that down, but they still 211 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:40.039 go out there and do the whole like channeling bit. 212 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:42.759 And the funny thing about this guy is very close 213 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:45.120 with Howard Hughes. And listen to this story. He's not 214 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:49.600 a Mormon, but he says this and an angel came 215 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:51.960 to him. I've heard this story before. 216 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.679 JJ, has too, and told him to. 217 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:59.279 Stop blowing shit up basically and make this machine. And 218 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:02.840 this was gonna rejuvenate and like basically time travel people 219 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:06.120 backwards so that they could be more youthful. And Howard 220 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:08.360 Hughes was kind of obsessed with stuff like this because 221 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:10.039 he'd been sickly half of his life. 222 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:13.480 I mean, like now he's kind of sickly in a more. 223 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.320 Well, I question, self inflicted way, but we'll just leave 224 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:17.559 it self inflicted for. 225 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:20.039 Now with his drug habit. But he had a ton 226 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:20.399 of pain. 227 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.000 He had crashed a lot of times, but even as 228 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:26.120 a kid, he had multiple ailments. So you know, when 229 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:30.000 we talk about this and the integratron, I'm sure he's 230 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:31.279 one hundred percent listening. 231 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:35.480 But basically, you know that Crowley said these. 232 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:39.120 Bombs kind of open things, and Parsons also talked about this, 233 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:42.200 and I think they are just trying to shut the door. 234 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.960 And he's like obsessed with this, and that's where John 235 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:49.600 Meyer comes in. He literally hires John Meyer to petition 236 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.039 and go about following through to the Atomic Energy Commission 237 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:57.240 to stop this because he's so upset by it. He's 238 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.279 just like it can't continue. These people started to church 239 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:03.600 over it. You can see there insignia is it's strange 240 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:07.440 and they all kind of and Hughes paid for that 241 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:09.960 to be done, all of it. Van Tassel there it 242 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:14.120 is okay. So Van Tassel does this for him under 243 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:17.639 all of this money, and Hughes is just obsessed with 244 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:20.600 that and the taxing, so the taxing doesn't go away 245 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:22.080 for a long time. 246 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.039 And finally he decides, you. 247 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:29.279 Know what, through Mayhew and through Moulin company, he decides 248 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:33.720 he's going to petition these people and pay them off, okay. 249 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:37.919 And when he does this, it causes serious problems. I 250 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.919 dare say it causes more problems for him than the 251 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:45.080 actual like break in and the whole thing, like it's 252 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.919 it's just blows up in his face. And Don Nixon, 253 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:51.879 his brother, is a big part of where this started 254 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.799 because originally he takes a quarter million dollar loan from Hughes, 255 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:59.840 the loan that never had to be paid back, and 256 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:04.200 this becomes part of the scandal, and then it goes 257 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:07.200 into a whole nother thing which we all know with 258 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:12.000 Watergate that he was also paid more money underneath Hughes 259 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.440 for his re election campaign. 260 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:18.840 But this reelection campaign was like a shell campaign. 261 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:21.639 There was like none there was no proof that it 262 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:25.759 was really happening, or like where the money really went 263 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:30.240 or nothing about it was. Okay, a guess who organizes 264 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:34.799 this whole campaign for him? Two guesses? Because I have 265 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:35.360 named two. 266 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:39.639 Anybody want to guess. 267 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:42.399 The Mormon? Of course? 268 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:43.120 Pop? 269 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:49.159 Right, Nope, it's Bennett this time. Bennett is all over this. 270 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:53.679 And so Bennett is the one behind it. And this 271 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:57.559 is where Bennett gets sketchy because at first people are like, oh, 272 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:00.000 he's just tangled up in it because domb Howard hunh 273 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.320 and he's just dumb, and you know it's him, and 274 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:06.440 people really defend him to this day, like I will 275 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:08.320 tell you guys, he's kind of want to talk about 276 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:11.519 Mormon royalty. He's way up there. I mean literally, Heber J. 277 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:15.919 Grant's grandson. And so when we talk about this stuff, 278 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.320 it's kind of it's kind of hard because I know 279 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:21.759 the TV, you know, true blue Mormons are going to 280 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:24.080 come after me and say, oh, he was just a 281 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.200 nice guy that got you know, caught up in it 282 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:28.519 because he owned the company. The company itself was a 283 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:31.919 CIA shell, so that's not necessarily true. So all this 284 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.320 stuff starts to come out. You know, Hughes loaned Nixon 285 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.039 cash and his family cash and all this stuff, and 286 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:42.519 it's just not it's not good. And then on top 287 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:48.200 of it, we know that there were different factions involved 288 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:51.240 with not only getting Hughes out of town, which brings 289 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:54.720 in these guys all this dirty money. It brings in 290 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.720 the mob, it brings in like all the three letter agencies, 291 00:15:57.759 --> 00:15:59.559 and it brings in the Bay of Pigs. And that's 292 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:02.919 why and is quoted saying, I don't think you want 293 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:06.919 to open this up. This is a like a whole 294 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:10.399 condensation of his big report that he said, because the 295 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:12.399 American people don't need to know about that right now, 296 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:16.399 basically because if they were to find out exactly what 297 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.759 was happening with the Bay of Pigs, it was going 298 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:24.440 to upset everyone. And he just he was involved with 299 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:28.600 so many things, and let alone with Hughes's involvement of 300 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:32.639 the things, it got completely blown out of the water. 301 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:36.200 It completely devastated the trust of everybody. And the plumbers, 302 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:39.919 a few of them, I think were it became Mormons 303 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:42.480 after the fact, is what I read that they weren't 304 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:46.879 Mormon before, but they became Mormon, and all this So 305 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:50.120 what the truth is, I don't know, but I do 306 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:55.039 know that Mormons are all over this, including Hughes's exit 307 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:59.360 out to the Bahamas, because Hughes's exit to the Bahamas 308 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:02.639 is done by guy named James O. Golden, who is 309 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.680 huge up in the CIA and FBI, and he actually 310 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:08.079 ends up running Inner Pool. 311 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.160 He's he's big, and when. 312 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:14.759 We get into him, he's the one that actually is 313 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.880 involved with this paper right here Resorts International, because that's 314 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:21.319 where they took Hughes. They took him to a Resorts 315 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:25.079 International hotel and those all go back to the Mary 316 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:28.240 Paynt company. So I think when you look at this 317 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:31.119 full picture, to go to perm index, you have to 318 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:33.559 lay this ground because you're like, well, who's that and 319 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:34.200 why are they there? 320 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:36.880 And what does that matter to some mobster guy or whatever. 321 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:39.720 Well, everybody's got their hands in the cookie Jart, and 322 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:44.599 I mean everybody. So the one thing Hughes did after 323 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:46.920 he gave Nixon all this money was say like, you 324 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:50.480 need to push through my medical company so that it 325 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:53.480 can be my shell company for taxes, and he got 326 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:56.400 it to be done. Nixon did it after the IRS 327 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:59.880 denied it, and so it all looks bad like that. 328 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.000 I'm pretty sure why he just stepped down and didn't 329 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:05.759 want to go through with everything. People also started dying 330 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:09.519 like crazy, And I mean, if I were him, I 331 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:10.640 definitely wouldn't want to have. 332 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:13.119 All those desks put on my conscience. 333 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:14.519 You know, that's a lot. 334 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.480 But other than that, also, Nixon was a big fan. 335 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:24.119 Of space and this whole you know, alien stuff, and 336 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:27.119 there's talk back and forth about whether or not he 337 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:31.359 put a time capsule in the White House about alien disclosure, 338 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:34.160 which is curious because he was extremely close with Trump 339 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:37.960 and he always told him, you should run for president, 340 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:40.240 you'll win and if you get in there, this is 341 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:42.839 where this time capsule is. This is just the conspiracy 342 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:45.640 end of it. Of course, no proof on that, but 343 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:49.039 there is proof that they were friends. You know, they talked, 344 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:52.519 they were close, and they definitely knew each other. So 345 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.480 when you talk about these people all being in bed together, 346 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:59.480 I think it's funny because the other one that's going 347 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:02.079 to come up next time, probably unless we run through 348 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:05.440 this is Cone and that's Trump dressed like that at 349 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:11.319 Roy Cohne's birthday. And you know, people have postulated different 350 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:14.799 things about their reputation together. I don't know, but I 351 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:19.279 do know this. They were very close, Okay, close enough. 352 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:21.880 It shouldn't have ended how it did. And when you 353 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:25.200 look at the pictures of them speaking together in different things, 354 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:29.079 you go, hm, well, Trump comes up, and I bring 355 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:33.440 up Roy because Resorts International runs straight into Donald Trump. 356 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:36.400 He ends up running it for a time. Actually they 357 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:37.599 had a big fight. 358 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:39.200 Over who was going to get the power of it, 359 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:42.880 and so he ends up taking it for a time. 360 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:47.200 And it was, you know, completely engulfed with the organized crime. 361 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:50.880 And when you look at that, you know, I know 362 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:53.440 people want to say, oh, Trump's a good guy. I 363 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:55.759 don't know. I'm watching for the fruits of his labor. 364 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:57.680 I'm not going to diss on him, but I'm just 365 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.960 saying you have to look at the full picture when 366 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.599 we're looking at all of this. And then also how 367 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:06.440 obsessed is Trump with space stuff? You know, he's got 368 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:09.519 Elon in there. We're talking. Then we get into weird 369 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:12.880 speculation on that with you know, the whole Werner von 370 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.720 Braun book. And this is the picture I told you 371 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:19.240 guys about last time with Werner von Braun in Mormon 372 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:23.680 theological films. And I don't think these things are accidents. 373 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:26.359 You know, I think that you know, what people have 374 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:32.519 said and talked about is when this whole business came 375 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:36.200 out with Aliens, you know, they wanted to guard that secret, 376 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:42.160 and JFK wanted to work with the Russians and they 377 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:45.240 had just had the war. And this picture here shows 378 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:48.799 they're kind of together, Werner von Braun and JFK. And 379 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:51.839 he dies two weeks after this is taken. And I 380 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:56.640 find that super interesting, knowing that the Germans and the 381 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:01.839 Russians have a very contentious relationship at this point. I 382 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:04.319 don't think they want to share anything with the people 383 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:08.279 that help them lose the war. So it gets into 384 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:11.480 some weird weeds and you know, we've taken all the 385 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.880 Operation paper Clip people and put them to work, which 386 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:17.319 you know, if you've looked at anything from Utah, and 387 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:21.400 you know anything about Thiacoll and different Hormon space projects, 388 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:23.759 you know that there was probably something that came here 389 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:27.640 and let alone the relationship enough for Werner von Braun 390 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.200 to be invited into a movie that no one else 391 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:31.599 was in except for Mormons. 392 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:37.240 I find it super curious. And so is this odd? 393 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:40.519 It's all together odd, and when you put it all 394 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:44.680 together with the hearings and Hunt and even their background. 395 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.319 You know, if you get into Hunt's background, do you 396 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:52.039 guys know about his background? Like back back before Watergate. 397 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:54.680 Like Oss Days or Cia Days. 398 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:58.839 Well, so Cia Days. He was the guy that was basically, 399 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:02.720 you know, down to help with like any of the 400 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:06.680 UFO recoveries. He was on that whole situation, and he 401 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:11.720 worked with Banister, but he also worked with Banister, worked 402 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:14.400 with Mayhew for ten years out of the Chicago offices 403 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:17.000 when he was with the FBI. So all these people 404 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:21.200 are like lengthly not just like oh I met him 405 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:25.519 once at a dinner. You know, these are big relationships. 406 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.799 And all of this kind of goes together with the Mormons, 407 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.680 and I'm like, why are they always there? There's always 408 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:38.839 a person that pops up that just happens to be 409 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:42.160 associated with the church. And then when you get into 410 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:44.799 the Watergate stuff with the Bay Pigs, you have to 411 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:47.359 go to Bush and the whole thing with Howard Hughes 412 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:52.599 and Zapota Oil. They were using his island and the 413 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:57.160 Bushes rented it to for their drilling operation, which wasn't 414 00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:59.960 it wasn't a drilling operation, but that island in itself 415 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:04.200 is considered to be possibly one of Atlantis Islands, and 416 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:06.400 so maybe they were drilling for something. I don't think 417 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:08.839 it had to do with oil. But they were also 418 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:12.559 training the Bay of Pigs people there, and this is 419 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:16.960 a little picture of just their training and what they 420 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:20.799 were doing. It was all an anti Castro training. And 421 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:25.680 this is the name of the k Seal is the island. 422 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:29.519 And I was like, that's, you know, all all owned 423 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:32.400 by Howard Hughes. He just leased it to the Bushes. 424 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:36.119 And so even two of the ships involved in the 425 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:39.839 Bay of Pigs, one of them was named the Barbara. 426 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:43.400 So Bush is all over this on top of it, 427 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:48.119 and I think that you know, he, you know, Bush 428 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:52.839 ties here soon. He's got some major ties with Permandex 429 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:57.519 and Demorn Shield and so all of this makes sense 430 00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:01.400 when you put it in a big whirlwind, I guess, 431 00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:04.839 because like you said, it's a spider. It's not gonna 432 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.960 it's not going to stop. I mean it just like 433 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:11.359 I almost have to organizing it in my mind to 434 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:14.599 like present. It is so difficult because you're like, Okay, 435 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.559 which part do you want to say first? Which part 436 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:19.839 do you talk about? You know the fact that you 437 00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:21.960 want to talk about that Trump named one of his 438 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:27.359 casino hotels, the Atlantis, during the time he owned this stuff, Like, 439 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:30.240 I think somebody knows something. And when you go down 440 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:33.759 that road, you know about his uncle John and he's 441 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:39.000 supposedly the protege to vanover Bush, who not related to 442 00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:43.880 the regular president Bush, but vanover Bush is who's protege 443 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:47.160 tesla And this goes to aliens, and I just went, 444 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:50.920 You've got to be kidding me, because I've never really 445 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:53.960 I mean, I was like, yeah, whatever, I mean, there's realms, sure, 446 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:58.119 you know, there's things out there. I'm not want to 447 00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:01.000 like just let it go. But also like when you 448 00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:04.559 look at this stuff, you go, Okay, well what do 449 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.000 they all know? Right? And then you go back to 450 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.519 that weird story about the alien visiting that. 451 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:14.759 Guy, and then you go, what does the Mormon Church know. 452 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:19.680 The key? And once again we get back to the keys, 453 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:22.839 and I'll tell you know Howard Hughes trusted them an 454 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.079 awful lot even though they did him dirty towards the end. 455 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.920 And then you get into what happened at the end, 456 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:36.759 and this gets back to the gaze and not gay people, 457 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:41.440 the gays last name, and one more picture before I 458 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:44.759 move forward. This is a fun one of Nixon with 459 00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:50.240 Prescott Bush and who Jack Ruby. Yeah, this is just 460 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:53.359 you know when you said it was a spider web, 461 00:25:54.519 --> 00:26:00.559 it just explodes and it goes clear into today. So sorry, 462 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:02.599 I would just want to say no, no, please interrupt 463 00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:03.319 because I can't. 464 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:06.440 See before you get too far. I just it's a 465 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:12.079 very it's an open ended question. It can be Heidi, JJ, Lisa, anyone. Uh, 466 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:16.799 but I don't quite understand why his financials were in 467 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:21.440 such turmoil if he if he also was in charge 468 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:25.000 of several CIA fronts, is what you're saying, If I understand, 469 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:32.119 and so shouldn't the financial management be more? You know, 470 00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:34.079 even though that those are like a lot of black 471 00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:37.119 book stuff, like they usually are good book book keepers 472 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.599 from like all the work that Nick and JJ have 473 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:42.519 done and like showing that kind of like organized crime, Like. 474 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:44.200 Usually they're pretty good at books. 475 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:49.000 Are you talking about Hughes or yes, Hughes Hughes Okay, 476 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:50.480 so you're because. 477 00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:52.960 Why couldn't they change the or was there a great 478 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:56.279 change in the code, and so that's sort of what 479 00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:58.400 contributed to it, Like I I don't I think I'm 480 00:26:58.440 --> 00:26:59.839 maybe historically ignorant. 481 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.200 Now you're fine, he just had so much money and 482 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:06.680 he owned so many corporations. By this time, he was 483 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:10.720 literally banking in the dough like he was bringing in 484 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.359 tons of money. He doesn't have any kids, he doesn't 485 00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:15.880 have a wife really at this point, he doesn't have 486 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.400 a whole ton going out. And he wasn't this big 487 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:24.000 philanthropist until he opens up the Howard Hughes Medical And 488 00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:28.400 so that's right there, when it becomes a whole different ballgame, right, 489 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:33.279 And when this happens, it like changes the whole dynamic 490 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.759 of everything because then also he's bankrolling the CIA, just 491 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.119 so you guys know, and that there's been lots of proof, 492 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:43.920 like even these little projects like even the Glomar he 493 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.319 bankrolled that, even you know, all these other things he's 494 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:50.079 bankrolled and bankrolled and bankrolled. Now did he make money 495 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.759 back off them? Sure, he had contracts, you know, exclusively 496 00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.480 to them. I in my opinion, I think. 497 00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:58.799 Everybody was splitting that dough. 498 00:27:58.920 --> 00:27:59.440 I don't. 499 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.200 I I think this was more mafia than the mafia. 500 00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:04.440 You know, That's what I was gonna say. 501 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:06.680 HEII not only yeah, not only to that point, but 502 00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.799 then you have the warring factions for power within that 503 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:12.440 mafia right, and it includes the literal mafia, because you 504 00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:16.559 just you've already paying this interesting dynamic of these varying 505 00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:19.680 factions of folks that seem disparate, you know, from from 506 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:21.240 the out from the outside looking in. 507 00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:23.200 Especially when you're talking Permadex. 508 00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:26.240 Yes, you know, is the epicenter of kind of as 509 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:28.160 you said, said the epicenter of this activity. 510 00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:29.640 You got Joseph. 511 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:32.559 Bonano, who's the the Banano crime family, but. 512 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:34.519 Head of the head of the all the. 513 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.359 Five families in New York at the time, Roy Cone, 514 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:40.680 and then CIA guy himself, Clay Shaw. 515 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:43.480 That's the integral figure in the Garrison investigation. 516 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:48.079 Absolutely, and we can even go there because I mean, 517 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:50.759 you know, I I never know how long things are 518 00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:53.160 going to take. But if you know about Permandex, you know, 519 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:55.480 you know who's on the board because you just named 520 00:28:55.480 --> 00:29:01.079 some the others are like fascists and like the attorney 521 00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:02.799 I didn't bring my notes down for that, but the 522 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:07.799 attorney for the Savoy family. Like, you're talking about some 523 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:12.799 really important people and they're bankrolled by other people, and 524 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:16.079 Permitex has been said to have bankrolled I'm going to 525 00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:17.799 I'm going to minimize this so I can see you 526 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:24.200 guys basically bankrolled the assassination hits on not only JFK, 527 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:30.640 but RFK and MLK, all of them. And you know, yes, yep. 528 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.160 And they tried, They tried and tried and tried with him. 529 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.880 And what permandex stands for is a permanent index of people. 530 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.160 So this is the hidden meaning permanent index of people 531 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:46.440 to assassinate. Whereas they say, it's like a permanent industry development, 532 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:51.000 but it's another show company. It really isn't anything. But 533 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.920 yet here they all come playing again and and like 534 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:54.960 you mentioned. 535 00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:57.880 You know, Riboso, Babay Riboso comes. 536 00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:01.720 Up in this, mo Ballots comes up in this Like 537 00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:04.799 we're talking about big players when we're talking about these people, 538 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.559 and who do they bump into? You know, Trump Cone, 539 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.839 Colin ran Colan knows where everybody is buried. He went 540 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.440 to his grave knowing that, like for sure. 541 00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.119 You know, Nixon's close close associate. 542 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:20.880 R I'm just going to bring that up. 543 00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:21.200 Yep. 544 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:27.160 He was actually on the island with baby Riboso when 545 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:30.880 Watergate went down for his like backing story, Yeah, they. 546 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.359 Were actually in the pool together, weren't they. That He 547 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.880 always every time that he would vacation or leave the 548 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.480 White House instead of going to the equivalenta camp David, 549 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:44.000 he would go down and spend his time with him. 550 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.039 Yes, And that's just so strange, like when you look 551 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:50.200 at it and you're looking at like his ties or 552 00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:54.640 fascist ties or whatever's happening, and then you find you 553 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.480 you like look into it as well with the eyes 554 00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:59.400 open of like, I don't know if you guys have 555 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.319 heard what Howard He's just said about equal opportunity employment, 556 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:05.000 But it wasn't it was as good as the Mormons. 557 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:06.559 Talking back when Brigham was the president. 558 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:07.759 It's not good. 559 00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.960 They're racist, and you're you're sitting here going, okay, is 560 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:16.960 this their religion still? Like when they say we won 561 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.960 the war but the Nazis never fell. I believe that 562 00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:23.880 I one hundred percent believed that this was just a 563 00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:27.559 division of a power that got too big because they 564 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.279 learned how to tap into stuff, and the stuff I'm 565 00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.400 talking about would be a cultic in nature, and there's 566 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.039 so many stories about that that I do think they 567 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.400 were imparted a lot of knowledge. You know, there's tons 568 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:44.440 of different things that advance during that timeframe that you 569 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.880 see the Germans just go and take off, like literally 570 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.880 take off and Howard Hughes was all about it. 571 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:53.839 They said they there's a rumor that he had his 572 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.880 own hangar at Area fifty one, and so you know, 573 00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:00.480 he's involved in this up to his eye balls, and 574 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.599 he certainly says that there are other entities. Whether or 575 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:07.400 not that freaked him out, I don't know, but I 576 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:11.000 do know this. He started peeing in jars and holding 577 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.519 back all of his nail He didn't clip his nails, 578 00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:16.799 He didn't do all these weird things. But think about it, 579 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:21.200 where's your DNA? It sounds ridiculous until you know the answer, 580 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.759 and you go, hmm, was he just trying to keep 581 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:24.680 himself from. 582 00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:27.680 Being replicated or something? Or who knows what? 583 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.759 You know, they're making medical advances at the same time 584 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.720 they're doing you know, Howard Hughes medical industry. They are 585 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:39.400 known for developing crisper technology and all kinds of sketchy stuff. 586 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:43.480 They're involved with Gates And it doesn't surprise me. Bill 587 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.000 Gates and Microsoft Corporation is the LDS Church's number one 588 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.759 holding right now. And when you talk about people not 589 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.559 being qualified to run the books, you can look at 590 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:56.559 Elon Musk and Jared Birshall runs his books, and he's 591 00:32:56.599 --> 00:33:00.880 not qualified to do any of that. So you're just like, Okay, 592 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.680 what's going on here, mister tunnel digger because that's where 593 00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:05.400 they met, at the boring Company. 594 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:05.880 You know. 595 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.200 Sorry, Heidi, I just want to say one thing really quick. 596 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:13.160 Is I think with the peeing in bottles and the 597 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.400 here now so that you know it's not a way, 598 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:18.559 but honestly, it makes perfect sense to me. I'm sure 599 00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.559 it makes perfect sense to that. You do not you 600 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.279 do not want people to get a hold of your 601 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:27.880 personal effects. This isn't obviously a thurgical thing, but it's 602 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:31.480 you know, a we'll call it village sorcery. So yeah, 603 00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:34.240 like you don't want like witchcraft. That's really what that is. 604 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.200 It's like, if you have these personal effects, you can 605 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:41.039 do things to them. But then also the peeing in bottles, 606 00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:45.119 although that sounds the funniest, actually those are called witch 607 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:49.480 bottles if you make them properly, and you can rebuke 608 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:53.640 magic done to you. This is the idea if you 609 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:58.359 put in that. But also certain things usually like broken glass, needles, 610 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.920 blue be all that stuff, so doing. 611 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.720 Carrying it, yeah, for like property, all kinds of stuff. 612 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:09.320 And here's the thing. I when you step back and 613 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:13.480 look at things that sound crazy, especially like Mormons. I'm 614 00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:19.519 always like, that sounds crazy. Joseph Smith said people live 615 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.320 on the moon. And then you find out about different 616 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:27.719 occultic things, or study theosophy and anthroposophy, and you go, oh, 617 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.119 got it. And then they live on the sun is 618 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:33.840 Brigham Young's and you're like, huh okay. And so you 619 00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:36.599 start learning about stuff and it sounds crazy on the surface, 620 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.320 and I don't think they want it fixed, because it's 621 00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:42.760 better to sound like that than to explain, oh, we 622 00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.679 might be using this for like what you said, you know, 623 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.800 like I mean, if you heard that from a person 624 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:53.159 that has like think of the most straight laced people ever, 625 00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:56.480 you know, you're not going to like that. As the 626 00:34:56.599 --> 00:35:01.159 normal congregation of people in a church, for sure, they're 627 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.599 going to be pretty upset with that. They're going to 628 00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:07.480 start wondering, like, what we don't do witchcraft stuff? I 629 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:09.199 heard all that was lies, and then they're going to 630 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:10.960 go look it up, which is definitely not what the 631 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:16.239 church wants. The church definitely doesn't want that. And so 632 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.239 I did find my little paperwork on the board, and 633 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.880 so we've got Lewis Mortimer Bloomfield. And then we've got 634 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:28.199 Fernick Nause. He's the former Prime Minister of Hungary. I'm 635 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:33.960 assuming everybody knows about who Bloomfield is, probably, but he's 636 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:35.480 you know, high up in Canada. 637 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:38.000 He's running a lot of these kind of same schemes. 638 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:43.239 There we've got Giorgio Mantello, Roy Cone, Joseph Bonano, Jean 639 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:49.719 de Manil, Paul Reagan, Denski, count Gettera's de Spatafora, and 640 00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:55.280 that is Mussolini's guy. So I mean you're wondering, like, wow, 641 00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:58.119 where did all these people come from? Ham Selgameyer and 642 00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:02.960 he's a banker in Basel, Carlo de Oh my gosh, 643 00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:09.519 uh Analio I think attorney house of Savoy, max Hegelman Muner, Shorboggi, 644 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:16.199 Giuseppe Ziagotti, he's an Italian fascist, Florenk florenk h Simon Fay, 645 00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:18.079 he's from Hungary. And clay Shaw. 646 00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:24.360 So why would you have the people that literally are 647 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:25.880 probably involved in all. 648 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.639 This go back and be on multiple commissions to figure 649 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.320 things out or like put these people in power? 650 00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:37.079 And why is clay Shaw in with fascists. 651 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.880 And people from other countries right where with all the 652 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:43.079 stuff he knows. So then you're like, oh, wow, what's 653 00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.800 happening here? And there's this little there's this little diagram 654 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:48.920 that I found on Permandex and it starts at the 655 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:52.079 crown and then it goes down and it goes to Permandex, 656 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:55.039 which goes to Division five FBI, and then it goes 657 00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:57.960 down in the middle to the World Wildlife one thousand 658 00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:59.760 and one club, which I have to do an episode 659 00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:03.440 on sometime or through this whatever, but it's huge through 660 00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:05.840 this whole situation. And then the other branch goes to 661 00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.800 honder And I'm just telling you guys, like when you 662 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:13.320 look at all this and the companies that supposedly helped 663 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:17.119 with like funding all this stuff, you go, oh, this 664 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:21.880 sounds sketchy, right, Why is the monarch involved? Like why 665 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.760 are all these houses of Savoy and like the monarchy 666 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:28.639 and all these different things involved, Like it doesn't sound right, 667 00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:32.079 you know, And then you you look at. 668 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:35.559 It also to your family before in regards to the 669 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.239 how these things are continuing on to our modern day, 670 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:43.440 these other examples that continued on as well, even though 671 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.719 Permandex essentially you know, goes away after the scandal, all 672 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.519 of those folks not the personnel involved, but the groups 673 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:52.719 and the power centers involved in that, and that board 674 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:55.679 all up here again in the Vatican Bank scandal. 675 00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.760 Well and not only yeah, not only that, but the 676 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:03.679 Mormons again through Haliburton, And so when you look at 677 00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:07.199 who's financing, right, So you're looking at all these people 678 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.880 and you're like, oh wow. And also what happens we 679 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:15.880 run into people that are influencing our next episode RFK, Right, 680 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:19.039 you run into like who exactly why is Lee Harvey 681 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:20.559 Oswald interested in any of this? 682 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:24.960 Oh? Well, you know, why is Ruth Payne? 683 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:29.000 Why are they having seances in the woods with asters 684 00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:33.320 and all these weird things? Like they're doing some crazy stuff, 685 00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.800 you know, and when you talk about it, it just 686 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:39.840 sounds insane. But then you look at it and you 687 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:43.800 look at the backers, right, we get Bell helicopters. 688 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:51.559 Well, you know they hired Dorenberger, I mean, like the Dorenburger. 689 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:55.239 Like, I'm like, what is happening? And it's because they 690 00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.039 had that knowledge, right, they know all the secrets of 691 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.679 all the things. But they've shut all that down pretty 692 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:03.639 much unless they want to start Wi FI and then 693 00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:04.199 they did that. 694 00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:05.639 But other than. 695 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:10.199 That, they're not Aliens. Yes, nationalism right the more. 696 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:14.440 Then yes, Well, if we want to get into Mormons 697 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:19.760 and Nazis, that's a whole So I mean, like think 698 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:23.840 of it. They're really you know Jay Rubin Clark. You 699 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:25.719 can look him up if you guys think I'm not 700 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.639 telling the truth about the Mormons. They are literally the 701 00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:34.920 same ideals as the Nazi regime at that time. And 702 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.760 they were the ones that kind of started the whole 703 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:41.320 genealogy thing and they helped people like started it to 704 00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:46.239 be more mainstream, we'll say, they started helping with the Nazis. 705 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:48.760 They said, look, let us into your church records and 706 00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:52.400 stuff and will help you prove if a girl is 707 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.559 worthy to date. And you started to have to hang 708 00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:58.960 your three generations back to go dat a girl to 709 00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.039 make sure an eye. This is not my words, this 710 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.920 is a quote to make sure you were not a 711 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.880 granddaughter of a Jews. That is what they said. 712 00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.920 And so I'm telling you guys like they literally were 713 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:15.639 in bed with the Nazis. 714 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.159 You can look up like the Olympics, then you get 715 00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:21.280 into the stuff that Justin talked about, like with them 716 00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:24.519 visiting and going to the Olympics and talking all about 717 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.079 it in her journal and everything, and she's all happy 718 00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:31.119 about how wonderful they treated them, and you're just like whoa. 719 00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:35.239 And then Mormon Moroni and the Swastika by David C. Nelson, 720 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:39.199 that book talks all about how you know they were 721 00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:42.000 Heber J. Grant was at a banquet there with a 722 00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:47.039 big insignia over the table. We'll just say that because 723 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:48.679 I want to get in trouble. I don't know what 724 00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:52.039 I can say. And then mission presidents, you know that 725 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.119 we're putting up signs saying no Jews allowed. Like they 726 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.599 were completely on board. They were doing the salute, they 727 00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.920 were doing all the things. They were along with them, 728 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.079 because you know, they were white supremacists pretty much at 729 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.559 that time too, you know, and they blame it, but I. 730 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:09.719 Think a lot of that is comes from their heritage though, right, So, 731 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.039 like you're mentioning the alien seance with the DuPonts, the 732 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:16.559 Asters and gang and the Pains and whatnot. Well, the Grants, 733 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.840 the Bushes, these folks all come from Connecticut and Massachusetts 734 00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:22.719 settlements in early early Americas. They so I think this 735 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:25.840 blue this quote unquote blue blood lineage of these folks 736 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:29.119 will manifested things like the Mormon Church permeates throughout their 737 00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:29.880 family tree. 738 00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:30.960 The alien. 739 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.039 Yeah, absolutely, and I think they well, you know, if 740 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:40.840 you talk to you know, anybody that's a Mormon FLDS person, 741 00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:43.440 when you get to the Kingstons, they literally will tell 742 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:47.039 you that the bloodline of Jesus Christ and so yeah, 743 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:50.719 they want and they're inbreeding and making sure they keep 744 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.960 their bloodlines pure. So they take this very seriously. It's 745 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.719 not like it's funny to say it, like haha, but 746 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.920 like that's a real thing for these people. And they're like, well, 747 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.840 that's just FLDS. That's not the real Mormon Church. Where 748 00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:08.039 do you think it came from? Came from the top, 749 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:12.079 you know, it didn't get split off until the government 750 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.000 ties started coming in and they wanted to have statehood. 751 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:19.119 You know that that's a real They were forced, they 752 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:20.280 were forced to make these changes. 753 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.719 They weren't theological changes, but they were you know, beamed 754 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:27.159 in from you know, no no. 755 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.599 And one of the monuments, I can't remember which one 756 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:33.480 it was that they were building and everybody sent a 757 00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:37.239 stone in to have this monument built. I can't remember 758 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.800 which monument in DC it was. But the Mormons weren't 759 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.480 completely finished with their statehood yet and they set like 760 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:48.159 the Masonic eye with the Beehive State, sure, the State 761 00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:51.719 of Deseret, And they're the only ones that like had 762 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:52.559 anything like that. 763 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:54.880 So that tells you a whole lot of answers. 764 00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:58.760 And it's just funny to me because I'm like, Okay, 765 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:03.719 obviously you said they're channeling you know, these beings, Well 766 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:06.960 they say they're the Egyptian deity. Well what is Joseph 767 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:11.280 Smith completely obsessed with Egypt? He's buying mummies off people, 768 00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:16.480 you know, I mean, it sounds ridiculous, but it happened, 769 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.800 you know. And then he's got the Book of Abraham, 770 00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:21.519 which became a huge problem for them, and you know, 771 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:25.559 he's saying his writings are reformed Egyptian. I just think, 772 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:29.760 you know, he talked to something that told him some things, 773 00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.679 and that's really what I feel. 774 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:35.880 But I don't know, it's too hokey and weird to 775 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:36.679 just make it up. 776 00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:37.679 And then and then. 777 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.920 Also it correlates with other people's stories. 778 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.960 And I'm like, oh, well, that's where it gets more credit, 779 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.880 because you're like, this person also said they saw this, 780 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.960 and then this person this pond they're all, oh my gosh, 781 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:53.199 they all started religions and so then it gives it, 782 00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.039 you know, a little bit of clout. But when you're 783 00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:58.559 looking into these things and people always say, well, who 784 00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:03.639 cares about world wars or Permantex or whatever these things are, Well, 785 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:05.280 they're running things today. 786 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:09.880 They just changed their name. Yeah, they just changed their name, which, 787 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:14.599 you know, it's kind of frightening knowing that, because you're like, wait, 788 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:16.199 why would you just quit? 789 00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:19.159 Like you fought for all these years to take over 790 00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.800 like the whole thing Trump and then you just like 791 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.320 walked away from it one day. No, you're just passing 792 00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.679 the torch. You know. They're all in bed together, and 793 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.480 and you're right, it's a spider that can't be separated. 794 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:32.920 Like the web is too thick, you know, the spider 795 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:37.280 web is is really intense. And when you start looking 796 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.360 at it, you're like, oh wow. And then you bring 797 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.559 in like the aliens, like you said, and when you 798 00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.960 start bringing that in, I mean, you know, the Nazis 799 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.039 were not afraid to talk about what they were doing. 800 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.440 That's just here that they're weird like that. 801 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.360 But over there they'll tell you all about it. 802 00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:58.239 And then when you get into Tesla and MG twelve, 803 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.000 you know who comes up Banister, and who is Banister 804 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.960 working with for ten years again Mayhew, and it goes 805 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.960 right back to Howard Hughes. So you're like, Okay, they 806 00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:12.039 obviously and clearly know quite a few things that they're 807 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:19.159 not going to share or probably can't, you know. But again, Tesla, 808 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.679 you know, I mean people want to say, oh, well, 809 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.360 you know, maybe he didn't really know things. He got 810 00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:29.719 arrested for making an earthquake in New York City, like 811 00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:34.199 arrested he made an earthquake, and people still have a 812 00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:41.519 hard time today like, oh, weather modification, you nutjob. I'm like, okay, 813 00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:44.320 we'll go look it up. I mean, he got arrested 814 00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:44.639 for it. 815 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:46.599 Left Tower from a while and that was that what 816 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:47.519 that calls that I. 817 00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:48.079 Think it was. 818 00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:49.599 I can't remember the name of it. 819 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:51.519 I just remember he got arrested for it, and I 820 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:54.599 thought it was hysterical. But like they try to, you know, 821 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.639 hold these people down. Yeah, well, and got in big 822 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.760 trouble for I think it was a dare if I 823 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.480 remember correctly, And even the people that go forward, like 824 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.039 I mean, just for an example, the guy that took 825 00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:14.800 Howard Hughes out to the Bahamas and basically kidnapped him. 826 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:17.679 And that's why I say, do I think it was 827 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:19.760 self induced? No, I think they were drugging him. They 828 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.760 found needles in him post mortem, and they were the 829 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:27.599 big steel needles. And back then when you were doing drugs, like, 830 00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.599 I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want those honk and needles 831 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:33.239 breaking off in your body. He had multiple of them 832 00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:36.039 broken off in his body. I do psych I know 833 00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:39.880 what causes that. It's not a willing participant. 834 00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:42.519 How long ago was this never good? How long ago 835 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.000 was this again? What what year was this around. 836 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:47.000 Like when he died? 837 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:49.280 Or yeah, well, I guess what I'm going to get 838 00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:51.320 at is, at some point, believe it or not, syringers 839 00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:54.880 are not easy to come by. Oh first, if you 840 00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:57.599 were junking in the sixties seventies, you're struggling looking. 841 00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.159 Yeah, yeah, they were like, oh he had nurses. And 842 00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:03.639 I did want to mention another thing about the future. 843 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:08.440 So in nineteen sixty three, the Church of Jesus Christ 844 00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:12.480 of Latter day Saints was miserably failing and almost bankrupt. Okay, 845 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:16.320 well nineteen sixty two, So up to nineteen sixty three, 846 00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:19.239 they are not doing good, and all of a sudden 847 00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:24.239 they hired this guy from Canada, and I've researched him 848 00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.079 a lot. I will not quit researching him till I 849 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.119 find a little more answers. But I find it fascinating 850 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:33.440 that the year Bennett takes a fall for a whole 851 00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:37.239 bunch of stuff in Watergate, right, and just basically lets 852 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.079 him brad him and doesn't say he's in the CIA, 853 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:43.360 and he just gets slapped around. Kind of it totally 854 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:46.000 ruined his reputation for a very long time. All of 855 00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:50.159 a sudden, the Mormon Church does great, and now like 856 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.880 within that year, like all of a sudden, all their 857 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:57.880 problems are gone. Do I think that's a coincidence? Not really. 858 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:00.880 You know, people are getting paid off left and right, 859 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.480 And I don't think that he did that for free. 860 00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:05.800 I don't think any of them did it for free. 861 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:09.360 I mean, they had to have some reason. It's not 862 00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:11.719 like they're just loyal to a fault for no reason. 863 00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:14.480 I don't believe that. Like, if you were in the 864 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:16.800 CIA and they were coming at you with everything they 865 00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.800 had in court, you don't tell that. It seems strange, 866 00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:22.840 you know, I don't. 867 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.239 Think he was interesting dynamic financially speaking, I don't I'm 868 00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:28.400 not familiar with that narrative of the sixties. That's certainly 869 00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:30.239 something I'm gonna dig into with that Canadian fellow. 870 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:33.320 But yeah, his name was Nathan. 871 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:34.719 Nathan. 872 00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.800 I thought I wrote it down for. 873 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:39.599 Another dynamic while you're looking for that, Heidi. 874 00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:41.880 One other dynamic I find interesting at the same time 875 00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:44.480 where these Watergate heres are going on and the Mormons 876 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.400 are in the US government or beefing, you know, or 877 00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:49.400 there's some you know, there's some you know, obviously some 878 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.559 disagreements in dynamic there obviously right with whatever's. 879 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:53.559 Going on, Oh yeah, situation. 880 00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:55.760 Oh yeah, he's going. 881 00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:57.960 To the same stuff with the US government. That's kind 882 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.280 of the peak of their Operation snow White. There beef 883 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:04.199 for the US government. So another ancient alien cargo cult 884 00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:07.480 at the same time doing these infiltration and spook activities 885 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:08.280 with the US. 886 00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:12.280 Absolutely absolutely, And then you wonder, like, Okay, I know 887 00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.800 for a fact Thomas D. Smanson has ties. And if 888 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:18.280 you look at these families, and I know Justin mentioned this, 889 00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:22.719 none of their children go to their mission here, Okay, 890 00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:25.000 Like a lot of kids get called on their mission 891 00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:28.159 and go to like Chicago or go to like even 892 00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:30.480 some of them go from Salt Lake to Ogden, which 893 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:33.280 I mean, it's just not very far apart. Yeah, and 894 00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:37.800 so none of these people though, do They're all international, 895 00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:41.599 all of them, and they're all involved. Like there's always 896 00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:46.440 these little ties to either Yale, Skoll and Bones type stuff, 897 00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:49.360 which we know Bush was, and so these are brothers, 898 00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:54.599 you know, Thomas S. Monson shook Bush. It was it Bush. Yeah, 899 00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:58.320 baby Bush's hand and there's a picture of it and 900 00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:01.559 they're doing a secret hand shake and it's not Masonic. 901 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:08.280 So I definitely think these people are in a lot 902 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.920 higher Like they're all a ton of the Mormons at 903 00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.079 that time period are in the Birch Society. They're in 904 00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:17.159 secret societies and they're not supposed to be. Remember, they 905 00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.559 didn't change that till I think it was maybe seven 906 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:23.519 or eight years ago, where you could actually join a 907 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:27.119 secret society and not go against the handbook of the 908 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.719 Mormon Church. You're not supposed too. But now they don't care. 909 00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:33.960 And Freemason temples and stuff are popping up more and more. 910 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:35.800 There's like one right down the street from me that 911 00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.679 was like an old apartment complex and the next thing 912 00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:42.199 I know, there's a Freemason flag hanging off the thing 913 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:44.239 a couple of weeks ago, and I was like, WHOA, 914 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:45.480 where did that come from? 915 00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:45.760 You know? 916 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:48.800 And so now they can do whatever they want, like 917 00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:51.239 they're not hiding it anymore, you know. And I mean 918 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:54.719 and not that it's I mean, honestly, it's the same thing. 919 00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:59.480 You know, Mormons and Masons are so close anyway, but 920 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:01.599 they hit it for a long time, and a lot 921 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.039 of them, like Spencer W. Kimple, I believe it was. Now, 922 00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:07.320 don't quote me on this one because I'm not a huntered. 923 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:09.119 He was one of the ones that said he was 924 00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:11.599 going to miss the rotary clubs so much when he 925 00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:15.039 got called to be a prophet, you know. And then, 926 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.119 like you said, we've got all the people coming in 927 00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:20.400 at the same time into government, on and on and on. 928 00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.880 When these people are supposed to not trust the government. 929 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:27.320 These people have been raised up to what bleed bleed 930 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:31.199 the beast, right JJ, you know, Bleeding the Beast is 931 00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:35.519 something that the FLDS still does. But the Mormon inc 932 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:39.039 Is a whole different story now. And I do believe 933 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:42.639 it went mainstream. I think there were other nods to it, 934 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.920 but the most mainstream no was when George A. Smith 935 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.559 ended up on the time cover and and it was 936 00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:50.880 just like, yep, these are part of the They're part 937 00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:54.639 of the club now, you know, and they do you 938 00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:57.599 know they bought Westminster Abbey. I just found this out 939 00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:02.159 last week. Google know that that happened. Yeah, and they 940 00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:05.119 kept it quiet. You can't tell me that they can 941 00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:08.360 build down the street from the Vatican and buy Westminster 942 00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:11.840 Abbey at like around the same timeframe and there's not 943 00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:14.440 some change in the Guard. There's been a change in 944 00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:14.840 the Guard. 945 00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.400 I agree with you there for sure. I agree with them. 946 00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:18.320 Yeah. 947 00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:22.960 I think it's money. Yeah, And and and it's like 948 00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:25.519 somebody sent it to me and I was like everything 949 00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:28.239 I find out about the church is like that's not true. 950 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:34.440 Who I guess it's true. And so it's all over 951 00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:36.480 the place, Like you would think that would be something 952 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:41.400 they definitely wouldn't sell, right, Like yeah, right, the important 953 00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:45.480 I mean, that's just for me. I would be like, okay. 954 00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:48.840 And even the guy that like I said that stole 955 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:54.440 Howard Hughes, he gets in. Within a year of Howard 956 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:58.280 Hughes being there, this guy that took him there becomes 957 00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:02.159 Howard Hughes's tool come and he's like over all of 958 00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:04.880 his stuff, and then all of a sudden, the next thing, 959 00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.159 you know, not even six months, he's not even in 960 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.320 the Howard Hills Tool Company for six months, and all 961 00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:12.599 of a sudden he gets pulled back over to Organized 962 00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:16.519 Crime Section of the Justice Department setting up intelligence. I'm like, 963 00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:19.960 and strike teams for this, And I'm like, oh, what 964 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:21.800 better way to do it? Because you freaking know where 965 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:25.119 everything is. You've been there, You're right there with him, 966 00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:25.880 you know. 967 00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.280 And he becomes like a head of intertael and you 968 00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.400 can't hardly find anything about this guy. You got to 969 00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:36.400 really dig deep. And I'm just like, wow, okay. 970 00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:40.599 I mean awesome, interesting cares. 971 00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:42.239 Oh he's interesting, James O. 972 00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:47.480 Golden and yeah, he becomes the vice president of Entertail 973 00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:51.559 and then after becomes the Crime Section of Justice Apartment 974 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:56.519 of the Organized Crime and I'm like, yeah, because you 975 00:53:56.639 --> 00:54:01.199 were organized crime. I mean, it seems funny. 976 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:02.440 It was your at one point too. 977 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:05.679 Looks like yep, he was all the things. Man. If 978 00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:11.159 you look at his death announcement, it's very interesting. That's 979 00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:12.840 a lot of times where you have to go to 980 00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:16.000 find anything out on these guys because they keep it 981 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:18.760 on the DL. So hard, you know, it's like very 982 00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.039 very He was one that was hard to find things about. 983 00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:25.679 And actually I don't know that I would have had 984 00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:28.400 it not been for old books like this book. It's 985 00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.840 not that old, the Age of Secrets book. But there 986 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:36.159 was also another one that was something Spies. I'll find 987 00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:38.920 it because I want to give credit where credit's due. 988 00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:42.599 But it was very interesting to be reading some of 989 00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:46.280 these old things and go, wow, these guys were like there. 990 00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:48.400 I don't even know if there's people like that anymore. 991 00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.440 Like these people like led the brigade on things. These 992 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.199 people like were out in the trenches, you know. And 993 00:54:55.719 --> 00:55:00.400 it's just wild to me that that it gets so deep, 994 00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:03.360 you know, when you're talking about all of it, and 995 00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:05.719 I guess it shouldn't be to be honest, like when 996 00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:08.440 you step back and go, well, duh, yeah, I guess, 997 00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:11.960 But I guess the altruistic part of you, especially with 998 00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:15.599 a church, you want to believe that that isn't how 999 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:22.079 things are ran, you know, but apparently not so. Like 1000 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:26.679 I said, Gay goes on to run Howard Hughes Medical 1001 00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:31.400 until he dies almost Clarintel two thousand and six, and 1002 00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.840 that legacy has been left to his family and not 1003 00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.400 only that, but his son went on to actually well. 1004 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.360 He worked with Romney at Ban and Company. 1005 00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:44.320 And not only did he do that, but I think 1006 00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:45.920 he kind of got kicked out of the Quorum of 1007 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:49.079 the seventy for doing these little micro loans at that 1008 00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:53.519 point that were kind of looked down upon for desperate 1009 00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:57.039 situations before they conglomerated and smashed companies. They kind of 1010 00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:01.639 would do the little here, let me help you, and 1011 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:05.119 then it was like impossible to meet the needs of 1012 00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.519 this loan and they would fail, and then they would 1013 00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.199 just swoop up all the companies. 1014 00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:12.199 And Bane and Company was known for this. 1015 00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:16.000 And they're both Mormon, you know, so and not just 1016 00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:20.039 Mormon Quorum of the seventy Mormon. And so he makes 1017 00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:24.280 it in and and like I said, normally when you 1018 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:27.719 get to be seventy years old you kind of have 1019 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:29.920 a place for life in the Quorum of the seventy. 1020 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:32.880 They don't like release you from your calling. And they 1021 00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:35.400 waited till he was seventy and then they released him. 1022 00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:40.199 That's a statement like and I don't know if it 1023 00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:41.639 was that they were trying to shake him down for 1024 00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:44.920 more money because they have a lot of money. 1025 00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:48.400 Because his dad was the trustee over that whole thing. 1026 00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:50.159 Do you know there's I think it's like I think 1027 00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:54.679 they said seventeen billion dollars a year goes to Howard 1028 00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:59.199 Hughes Medical Institute. I think was what the pledge is through. Yeah, 1029 00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:01.000 it's like been, Yeah, it's a lot. 1030 00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:04.159 I didn't realize the gay family was associated with Bank Capital. 1031 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:07.320 Yeah, his son, it's his son. 1032 00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:09.159 I had a picture. 1033 00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:13.000 But that's interesting because that's uh, you know, Romney never 1034 00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:15.280 really gets questioned about those activities too much, you know 1035 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:17.639 a little bit politically speaking back in the day, but 1036 00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:21.280 not the right questions, right because that Bank Capital it 1037 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:22.880 got to seed money from George. 1038 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:26.679 Soros yep, and George well because they don't want to 1039 00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:29.639 get into so again, like I said, the mole In 1040 00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:34.800 Company was the start for the Mormon Tabernacle choir stuff. 1041 00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:38.239 As far as they're advertising promos, well, then what happens 1042 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.320 is exactly what Justin says. And we get into big 1043 00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:44.760 comfy red chairs, right, The big comfy red chairs come 1044 00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:48.000 with like the Koshoge family and all these big families. 1045 00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:51.159 But where are they linking up and meeting people? They're 1046 00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:55.199 going to these concerts that cost like two thousand dollars 1047 00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:58.559 a chair, which is nothing for them, you know, and 1048 00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:01.519 then they're sat next to these other really important people 1049 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:02.920 on the d L and then they can just have 1050 00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:07.119 a big meeting and no one knows. And so that's 1051 00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:12.079 how that plays into forward from this situation, going into 1052 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:17.280 like the eighties with Beverly Bruff Campbell and Beverly Bruff 1053 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:21.360 Campbell had so much clout that she literally changed the 1054 00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:26.880 temple ceremony through the prophet and that shouldn't be that 1055 00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:31.960 that was supposedly given to them from God literally, So 1056 00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:35.079 if she has that much poll, I mean, what did 1057 00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:35.480 she know? 1058 00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:36.400 You know. 1059 00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.800 Which profit was? This was this Benson Benson. 1060 00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:45.440 With Beverly Bruff. It was in the eighties, I think 1061 00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:45.960 it was. 1062 00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:50.840 Those are the two prophets of the eighties, right, yeah. 1063 00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:54.920 Campbell, Let's see Campbell. Let's look. 1064 00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.039 Jeff Benson has always be an interesting character to me 1065 00:58:57.079 --> 00:58:59.639 because you know, once again when we were mentioning his 1066 00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:02.440 calling bones and the blue blood families involved in these 1067 00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.639 alien seances, the taps are in that conversation for sure. 1068 00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.719 Oh yeah, that's the only Chief of Supreme Court and 1069 00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:11.920 US President and William Howard Taff but found founder of 1070 00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:14.119 the Skull and Bones is the Taff family as well. 1071 00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:18.960 Yes, well that's why they came in set it up here, right, 1072 00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:21.320 like it's never been done before since. 1073 00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.559 Yeah, isn't Bill Bennett a part of that? Part of 1074 00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:26.920 that extension there is the University of Utah Skulling Bones. 1075 00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:32.159 I can't remember if Bennett was, but either way, he's 1076 00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:33.920 dialed in ten ways till Tuesday. 1077 00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:36.000 He's in there every single way. 1078 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:38.719 They would put that there, but not at BYU though, right, 1079 00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:40.719 it's at University of Utah though, right. 1080 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:43.639 Yeah, it's only at University of Utah, yep, because I 1081 00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:46.280 think they didn't want to come across. I mean think 1082 00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:49.119 about it like you would rather you would rather it 1083 00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:51.599 be a little bit apart from you. You know, if 1084 00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:53.639 you're going to have to do dirty deeds, you know, 1085 00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:56.519 dirty deeds aren't going to go over as good. You 1086 00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.679 can't hide as much at b YU. Not that they're 1087 00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:02.639 not included. I'm sure they probably profit just as much 1088 01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:03.199 as anyone. 1089 01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:12.000 You know, you got him, Sorry, no, no, no, no, it's 1090 01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:12.559 totally okay. 1091 01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:15.000 I didn't want to like interrupt the flow, but you 1092 01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:17.559 had you had brought up this idea of the blue 1093 01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:20.400 Blood seances, and that was my That's where I wanted 1094 01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.679 to jump in originally, So I apologize for that, but 1095 01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:26.800 I know, I think I think it was so interesting 1096 01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:28.800 you said that JJ. So first of all, great, that 1097 01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:30.719 was a great point. But I also think it makes 1098 01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:33.400 a lot of sense to what Heidi said last time 1099 01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:38.079 about the Martinists, because there he's even a link in Canada. 1100 01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:40.800 So this obviously goes to my second point, but maybe 1101 01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:43.199 in a moment, is that there's a link between the 1102 01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:47.840 huge and o French, the French Protestants, and the Martinist tradition. 1103 01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:51.519 And so as a as a French Canadian strument, as 1104 01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:52.880 a we do not. 1105 01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:55.800 Like huge and o's. It's like it's kind of like 1106 01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:57.800 embedded into like your identity. 1107 01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:00.880 It's like you're the antithesis of them, kind of like 1108 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:02.880 as a French Catholic, that. 1109 01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:06.760 Guy, that guy that took over the money for the church, 1110 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:10.159 they said, he was a big deal there in Canada 1111 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:13.679 and basically from like one of those wealthy, big deal families. 1112 01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:18.320 So that's also really interesting because you were saying, Heidi 1113 01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:22.079 about the chartered corporations like the Savoy family and all 1114 01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:25.599 these people that are royalty, Well that's that's the majority 1115 01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:27.880 of Canada. I mean it's like eighty two percent is 1116 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:32.400 crown Land, so it's in trust in treaty as they 1117 01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:36.280 would say, held by the crown. So who is the crown? Well, 1118 01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:40.119 the Crown is really the UK. But if you understand 1119 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:43.639 how confederation works, the provinces were confederated at different times, 1120 01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:48.199 so certain provinces are actually confederated with a charter from 1121 01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:53.760 the Dutch West India Corporation, like Newfoundland. So that is 1122 01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:56.800 also interesting because that's where they wrote the Charter of 1123 01:01:57.559 --> 01:01:58.559 Rights and Freedoms. 1124 01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:02.800 John fun fact on that the first book of Mormon 1125 01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:06.639 that was ever translated into a different language was Dutch 1126 01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:12.559 because they had so many of them. Oh so connects connects, 1127 01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:14.679 And yes, Bob Bennett, was you of you? So I'm 1128 01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:15.960 assuming he's tholen bones. 1129 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:18.960 They keep that pretty on the DL at this point. 1130 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:21.159 Now, well that makes total sense. 1131 01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:24.760 And then you'd also have the international travel the thing 1132 01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:27.280 that you said, Heidi, like when they do their missions, 1133 01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:30.880 they go, the spooks go away. Well, this is exactly 1134 01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:34.280 like how university is as well, Like if you do 1135 01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:38.039 certain particular studies, I'm sure everybody knows this area studies 1136 01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:42.320 like I study Asia Pacific studies. So it's like people 1137 01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:44.519 like me, I'm not a spook, but I'm just saying 1138 01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:50.159 it's area studies. And it's also like Middle Eastern studies, 1139 01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:54.239 Central Asian languages, Russian, like those kinds of things. Those 1140 01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:57.679 are the programs and philosophy and like. So it's always 1141 01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:01.199 people who go abroad. That's really was because it's a 1142 01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.119 perfect cover. Right, You're just doing your mission, yeah, miss. 1143 01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.719 Just doing your job. Yeah, I don't think you're wrong. 1144 01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:11.440 I don't think you're wrong the spook. Classic statement of 1145 01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:11.880 a spook. 1146 01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:14.880 I'm really not. 1147 01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:17.960 I am not a spook. We were talking Watergate today. 1148 01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:21.199 They wanted me, they would have picked me in university. 1149 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:23.840 That's really the truth that they really wanted me. But 1150 01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:25.440 obviously I'm too rebellious. 1151 01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:27.920 You bring up a great point with the international missionaries, 1152 01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:29.840 and that's kind of I was getting out with Azrataph Benson, 1153 01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:32.199 like there's this weird there's always been this weird dynamics 1154 01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:35.880 between the federal government. Despite their claims of me being 1155 01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:38.639 at more and whatnot, there's always this weird dynamic between 1156 01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:41.800 the two. Azrataph Benson was the Commerce secretary for Eisenhower 1157 01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:46.159 for years. Yes, and later the you know, the the 1158 01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:49.320 prophet of the church, and then his forefather also AZRATAF. 1159 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.960 Benson was at Was he a president? I don't think 1160 01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.199 he was a president. Was he was he a No, 1161 01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:58.199 I think he was twelve apostles maybe, I think I. 1162 01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:01.760 Think he was. I think yeah. 1163 01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:05.320 But it's weird dynamic because when you're talking international missionaries. 1164 01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:06.320 And spook activities is a cover. 1165 01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:10.400 Well, Joseph Smith had dispatched you know, international missionaries back 1166 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:12.280 in the eighteen you know, you know, eighteen. 1167 01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.440 Forty, so you know that long before anyone heard the. 1168 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.920 Name CIA or you know, FBI or any other three 1169 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:22.440 letter agency. So I always often wonder that Mormons kind 1170 01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:24.519 of invent the American spook game. 1171 01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:27.480 Well, it's odd you say that, because I will tell 1172 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:30.639 you guys, within twenty five to forty five miles of 1173 01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:34.119 my house, there's Hill Air Force Base, there's the NSA, 1174 01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:37.800 there's the FBI, there's the IRS and the CIA. 1175 01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:40.280 Damn. 1176 01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:44.320 I mean, I know, I can't believe they haven't stormed 1177 01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:46.400 my house yet. Sometimes I screw with my ship though 1178 01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:50.800 it won't work, like my streamyard link won't be there. 1179 01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:52.639 And weird, but whatever. 1180 01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:55.719 That was weird that is weird. 1181 01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:58.360 Yeah, no, and that kind of stuff will happen all 1182 01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:01.000 the time. When I did the show with Justin, my 1183 01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:04.960 camera crashed, my laptop crashed. I went to go get on. 1184 01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:07.960 I have another computer right here. That one crashed, but 1185 01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:10.400 and then my power went out, and I was like, 1186 01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:14.000 are you serious right now? I was, and he was laughing. 1187 01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:16.960 But then he asked me, are you by yourself? And 1188 01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:19.639 I was like, yeah, whatever, I've got a big dog. 1189 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:23.280 Come at me, bro if I die doing stuff like this, 1190 01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:28.599 so be I don't care. Speaking of rebellious oh. 1191 01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:31.920 I wanted to ask. Sorry, I am so non knowledgeable 1192 01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:34.719 on Mormons. Yeah, very fine, I'm learning. 1193 01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:39.000 Just so the profits, this was a very interesting idea. 1194 01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:42.320 So do they receive revelation like every different profit. 1195 01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:47.079 So every prophet that it becomes the profit or president 1196 01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:50.159 of our church is called a profit seer and revelator, 1197 01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:54.639 and I do believe jin Now I think that. Okay, 1198 01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:58.960 we're going to get into some weird theosophy anthroposophy, which 1199 01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:00.840 will be great because you probably know all this stuff. 1200 01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:04.239 So when we're talking about the things that they do 1201 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:08.320 in the temple and it piercing the veil, Okay, it's 1202 01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:11.800 well known that you know, things can pierce the bell 1203 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:14.920 and usually it's blood, right, like has something to do 1204 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:16.519 with that, but also. 1205 01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:20.119 It can be mimicry. And I do think these. 1206 01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:23.800 Mormon people, the goyam, the regular people like I once was, 1207 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:24.679 that don't know anything. 1208 01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:25.840 I didn't even know as a mason. 1209 01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:27.280 I even know that. I didn't even know what a 1210 01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:31.360 mason was. I didn't even know that. So those people 1211 01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.679 that do all these things and ceremonies, why would they 1212 01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:39.559 have people do ceremonies, They don't understand because they're harnessing 1213 01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:44.880 that energy, that's why. Yeah, and so they're taking that 1214 01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:46.840 and what is the number? Okay, so they're doing the 1215 01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:49.480 work for the dead. When you go through the first time, 1216 01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:52.320 it's for you, but every time subsequently is for a 1217 01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:57.360 dead person. So what does necromancy provide you if it 1218 01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:04.000 works the gift of sight to see? And what is 1219 01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:06.480 the profit a seer and revelator? 1220 01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:11.400 I mean, that's a good point in regardless of the 1221 01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:13.519 calling though of the of the of the new. 1222 01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:15.679 Prophet, seer and revelator the president of the church. 1223 01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:18.840 I often wonder how that goes down, right, Yeah, because 1224 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:20.440 they have to have some sort of witness right, I 1225 01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:23.239 don't remember. I don't recall the precise details, but I 1226 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:26.199 do recall there being some sort of witnesses required in 1227 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:28.760 that process. And I've always this is they're very ambiguous. 1228 01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:33.559 I believe in the exact particulars there the Well was 1229 01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:34.519 saying there now. 1230 01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:38.519 Right now, it's. 1231 01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:39.199 Ritualistic whatever's going on there? 1232 01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:39.400 Right? 1233 01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:44.800 Okay, follow up question? Sorry, sorry, Heidi, I don't be sorry. Okay, 1234 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:48.039 So two fall up questions. So uh one, my second 1235 01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:50.760 question will depend on the first one. So is there 1236 01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:54.000 contention and how the profits have been named? 1237 01:07:56.239 --> 01:07:56.559 Okay? 1238 01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:01.960 Yes, okay, So this is an idea in prophecy, just 1239 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:05.840 from my perspective. All someone has to do is change 1240 01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:09.079 it so slightly. You know, if you have a son, 1241 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:11.400 if you have a cousin, if you have a brother, 1242 01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:17.359 that you would rather them take the place. Especially for Mormons, 1243 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:20.479 all you have to do is say it came from 1244 01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.159 the higher source. Since you are tapped into the higher source. 1245 01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:27.760 That's not a really, that's not really a it's called 1246 01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:31.039 we would call that a skillful mistruth. So it's not 1247 01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:35.159 quite a lie, but it is skillful. So it's not 1248 01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:37.680 the person that maybe the angel said it should be 1249 01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:40.239 if you're believing it. I don't personally believe in spirits, 1250 01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:43.479 like I believe in them, but I don't take notes 1251 01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:47.119 from them. And so yeah, so all you'd have to 1252 01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:49.640 do is just change it ever so slightly or change 1253 01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:52.399 your wording. Because a lot of them are lawyers, right, 1254 01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:55.640 so they understand this idea of like how you can 1255 01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:58.079 stretch the truth like very well, like that's kind of 1256 01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:01.000 the point of law. So I just think that there's 1257 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:04.840 something interesting, like people could say it was a lie 1258 01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:08.640 if you if you misappointed someone, but there's a magical 1259 01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:09.439 way to think of it. 1260 01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:13.640 That's like you can kind of get around a direct. 1261 01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:16.119 Lie, get around the karmic Well. 1262 01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:18.520 I do find it interesting that you bring up lawyers 1263 01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:23.199 because Joseph's great great grandpa was an attorney and he 1264 01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:26.840 was a statesman, and he also was a part of 1265 01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:30.560 the Boston Tea Party and so actually they say he 1266 01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:34.079 was the one that organized it. And so these people 1267 01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:36.840 come from by Salem, they don't come from where they 1268 01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:37.319 say they do. 1269 01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:42.279 They just don't want that on their on their shoulders, right. 1270 01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:47.359 And so yeah, say brother, cousin and father, you know, 1271 01:09:47.439 --> 01:09:50.199 passing on the uh, you know, the the power to 1272 01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:52.960 you know, sometimes when you're neeling with the Mormons, sometimes 1273 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:57.359 that's the same person your brother, your brother, your brother cousin. 1274 01:09:57.560 --> 01:09:58.439 It's your brother cousin. 1275 01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:04.720 Well, this is something interesting because it's like I brought 1276 01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:07.000 this up several times. I'm sorry, Nick. Is that the 1277 01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:13.800 Owen Davies book on grimoires. So the really the I 1278 01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:16.640 would say, three quarters of the Inquisitions where we could 1279 01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:21.720 say probably really it's really about finding source the publishing 1280 01:10:22.239 --> 01:10:25.800 of grimoires. That's really what the inquisitions were about, later 1281 01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:29.680 as the Jesuits round them. Originally the Dominicans were doing 1282 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:33.199 something you could read as good in the sense that 1283 01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:35.720 they were wiping out what they would think of as 1284 01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:39.840 Satanic calls. But later they were really about the publishing, 1285 01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:44.079 so you could maybe you could read Salem as also 1286 01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:47.439 kind of taking place in this like yes, it's framed 1287 01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:51.479 as witches, it's framed as like, you know, Tituba, who's 1288 01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:56.279 really interestingly from the Bahamas. She's not really, she's probably 1289 01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:01.800 even she might be Afro indigenous, but she's probably not, 1290 01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:05.039 so she's probably just fully indigenous from the Bahamas, whatever 1291 01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:05.399 that is. 1292 01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:08.199 And then well, his grandpa was involved in the inquisition. 1293 01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:12.520 He was an accuser. He actually had his sister in 1294 01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:13.399 law put to death. 1295 01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:20.439 That's interesting even that word the accuser, because that is 1296 01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:23.159 something of Mars. Heidie Like, it's like, I'm sure you 1297 01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:25.439 know this is and Nick also knows. We've been talking 1298 01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:30.199 about it. Is this like idea of like what is 1299 01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.800 the negative sort of formation of like the spheres of 1300 01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:37.479 the planets, and the accuser is actually the it's the 1301 01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:40.880 klipa of Mars. So that is kind of interesting accusing 1302 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:46.119 someone of doing something specifically that you had yourself have done. 1303 01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:49.199 And what is on their family knife. It's called the 1304 01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:52.239 Mars knife because the sigil of Mars is embedded in 1305 01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:52.840 their knife. 1306 01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:54.039 Yep. 1307 01:11:55.479 --> 01:11:59.600 So so I'm glad Jenn was here for that one 1308 01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:01.560 because I wouldn't have thought about that on my own. 1309 01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:04.479 I know that all those separately and not together. 1310 01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:10.119 So yeah, And I just think that that was another 1311 01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:16.439 nod with Crowley being so fascinated with Joseph Smith that 1312 01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:20.039 you know, like knows like and I think he recognized 1313 01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:24.720 a magician in Joseph Smith, and I think he knew 1314 01:12:24.760 --> 01:12:28.000 exactly what was going on. And I think it's funny too, 1315 01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:31.159 because if you're gonna be guilty of something, what are 1316 01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:33.479 you going to do. You're gonna blame another person so 1317 01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:37.319 vehemently like me thinks you protest too much, right, and 1318 01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:40.039 he's like, no, she's the witch. Yeah, she's the witch. 1319 01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:46.640 So yeah, because mass owned all the grimoires, that was 1320 01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:47.319 sort of the point. 1321 01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:49.319 I sorry, I missed that about Bowen, Davey Sink. But 1322 01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:51.520 the men own the grimoires. So when they. 1323 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:54.279 Say, oh, it's about the witches, it's about like the things, 1324 01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:57.359 that's not really what it's about. It's really about getting 1325 01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:01.079 at other people's compot. Maybe it was about impiled to grimoires, 1326 01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:03.840 because we know a lot of people would make addendums 1327 01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:07.000 to their especially those like Hugiano or pure. I've only 1328 01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:08.920 seen the huge O version, so I apologies, but I 1329 01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:10.600 assume the Puritan Bibles are similar. 1330 01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:11.760 They would add. 1331 01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:17.479 Little notes in the margins, little things like get compiled focus. 1332 01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:20.800 They had parchments, they had magical laymen's so. 1333 01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:22.720 That completely makes sense to me. 1334 01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:27.439 Anyway, I can show them if you want, so, yeah, okay, 1335 01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:30.920 I will do that. Yeah, because it's very interesting and 1336 01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:34.159 the things that you're saying, I think one hundred percent play. 1337 01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:36.880 And this is kind of where I've always kind of 1338 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:40.039 gone with it is that it's not for no reason 1339 01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:43.359 that this stuff keeps popping up, right, the canes and 1340 01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:47.680 the parchments and all this stuff, It's got to mean more. 1341 01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:50.319 And that was where I kind of started things, because 1342 01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:53.279 his mom is quoted as saying, we don't just sit 1343 01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:55.800 around and draw things to the House of the barac 1344 01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:59.640 all day and stuff like that. So I'm just like, no, 1345 01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:02.239 she didn't do it on accident. Did you do you 1346 01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:02.680 see this? 1347 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:04.760 Yeah? 1348 01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:10.159 Yep? That is one of the Smith family parchments, one 1349 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:12.680 of three, same. 1350 01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:16.399 Cycle as the integratron there yep. 1351 01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:21.560 And if you notice, and and Jen will probably know this, 1352 01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:24.560 when you leave them open. When you are calling down 1353 01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:28.079 a certain thing and it doesn't have a seal, that 1354 01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:31.399 means you have a working relationship with that spirit. And 1355 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:34.520 so you know, when you're when you're telling it what 1356 01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:38.199 to do, you have a seal. But when you're when 1357 01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:40.520 you've got a working relationship with it, it's a little 1358 01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:45.640 bit different. You're not so much commanding. So uh, I 1359 01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:49.760 find it interesting that he was an unlearned farmer. Don't 1360 01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:58.359 you know. There's one let me tell let's see, there's three. 1361 01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:03.920 H let me minimize that and find it on second. 1362 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:07.399 So when you said folk wisdom, there jen that that 1363 01:15:07.479 --> 01:15:09.680 kind of you know, that's kind of right where I'm 1364 01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:11.960 at with thinking the origins of the Mormons. So well, 1365 01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:15.159 yes it has origins in freemasonry. It to me, it 1366 01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:21.399 clearly has origins in this Vermont, remote Vermont, you know, the. 1367 01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:26.000 Martinism, the Martinism, And it makes me very curious. As 1368 01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:29.159 I read some books from Peter Lavenda, there is something 1369 01:15:29.239 --> 01:15:35.039 called Volk magic so freaking similar, and I. 1370 01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:40.520 Was like, it's I did Nick JJ and I did 1371 01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:43.880 a show on De Laurence Company Heidi and Uh we 1372 01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:46.319 talked a little bit about like Dutch pow wow. Well 1373 01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:49.960 this is basically Dutch powow magic. It is like the bombs, 1374 01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:52.840 the seals, the ways you use your. 1375 01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:55.000 Very solomonic magic. 1376 01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:58.279 Yeah, but they include like they'll drawing a couple of saints, 1377 01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:01.199 maybe they're not saints, is like how Protestant thinks of it. 1378 01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:03.680 But it's like, as a Catholic looking at it, that 1379 01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:05.119 would how that's how it would be. 1380 01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:07.479 But there are actually profits from the Bible. 1381 01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:09.960 So there is something kind of similar like what you're 1382 01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:12.159 talking about, Like there is this kind of like with NJJ, 1383 01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:17.359 there is this kind of Northeastern magic that is very America. 1384 01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:20.000 I think it's Celtic if I remember correctly. 1385 01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:22.880 I'm trying to get the baptisms from the dead like. 1386 01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:25.199 That's long been an interest of mine because I've done 1387 01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:28.119 baptisms for the dead in the temples numerous times in 1388 01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:31.119 my earlier years, So I've long wondered the origins of 1389 01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:33.960 this practice. It doesn't seem to be freemasonry, so to 1390 01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:37.840 say it's simply freemasonries. It is largely freemasonry, yes, for sure, 1391 01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:40.479 there's no doubt about that, but there's other elements they've 1392 01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:42.560 matched together and there in a Krowalley esque the Lima 1393 01:16:42.640 --> 01:16:44.720 fashion matching these things together. 1394 01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:47.880 But it's the combination of that seems to be some. 1395 01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:50.159 Sort of folklore magic of some regard. 1396 01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:53.760 I think it's it's magic mixed with masonry. 1397 01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:55.960 But also like when you look at this, I mean, 1398 01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:00.079 you can't miss the kabala involved in here, you know, yeah. 1399 01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:02.680 I mean harmonic seals. You can't. 1400 01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:06.399 It's it's one to one even when you I'm not 1401 01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:08.920 saying that people should do this, but if you buy them, 1402 01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:12.359 like the Botanic booklet seals that come on, like the 1403 01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:16.800 vegetable parchment they they have, they come in their planetary colors, 1404 01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:19.239 so they're not prepared. You have to do all the 1405 01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:23.000 prep yourself. I've done it probably hundreds of times, but 1406 01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:26.560 you basically have to You just have the imprint and 1407 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:28.840 then you have to like consecrate it from scratch. So 1408 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.560 you could say, jj that it's folk magic because it's 1409 01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:35.680 like taken out of its like original form. Like if 1410 01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:39.239 you pass down Agrippa, yeah, you'd be a decent ceremonial magician. 1411 01:17:39.279 --> 01:17:40.800 You could like figure out a lot of things with 1412 01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:44.399 the Three Books, Sure, no problem. But you could also 1413 01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:46.640 say that this is part of like that higher knowledge 1414 01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:47.760 as well, Like even. 1415 01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:50.560 Though they see that one too, can you see this? 1416 01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:56.279 Oh yeah, So that's what I'm saying, Jim, Like it 1417 01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:59.439 seems like you know the Kabala, I mean obviously you 1418 01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:02.239 know you have influences of Freemasonry, et cetera, But like, oh, 1419 01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:04.520 use other elements, like again the baptism for the dead. 1420 01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:06.920 That's always been a weird one to me, Like is 1421 01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:10.279 there any other are you familiar gen with the origin 1422 01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:11.760 story of where that might come from? 1423 01:18:12.119 --> 01:18:18.720 So the Manicheans, the Manicheans actually did this. So a 1424 01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:22.239 lot of weird things come from the Manicheans actually, like 1425 01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:26.520 the idea of like the pillars not being the blue 1426 01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:28.920 and the red is more of the primordial idea, and 1427 01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:31.359 then it became the black and the white, right like 1428 01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:34.760 the Masonic pillars, the Kabbalistic pillars. But red and blue 1429 01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:38.720 is really the primordial colors. So but Minikianism really is 1430 01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:40.960 this idea of the block and the white. Everything is 1431 01:18:41.039 --> 01:18:44.800 like it's either of God or it's anti God. 1432 01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:45.359 It's not. 1433 01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:50.079 There's no there's no current that's useful going to the 1434 01:18:50.079 --> 01:18:53.119 other side. So it's only one. It only goes one way, 1435 01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:57.199 you could say. So they're very dualistic. And they also 1436 01:18:57.279 --> 01:19:00.079 did this these baptisms of the dead in order to 1437 01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:02.600 bring in these people who they thought would just be 1438 01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:06.279 forever trapped in the cycle of reincarnation. They thought, oh, 1439 01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:08.520 we're going to baptize these people and then they can 1440 01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:13.239 hear because people who were I guess practitioners and many 1441 01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:16.359 Chianism they were called hearers. Like a lot what Heidi says, 1442 01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:20.079 like just the goyam, the people that they're not worthy 1443 01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:22.920 of hearing, of having a voice, They just like they're 1444 01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:26.000 just hearing what the elect are saying, and that's even 1445 01:19:26.039 --> 01:19:29.159 what they're you know, religious leaders were called the elect, 1446 01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:31.479 So I think that that has a lot to do 1447 01:19:31.560 --> 01:19:31.920 with us in it. 1448 01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:36.159 Did they ever touch them onto living people, because that's 1449 01:19:36.199 --> 01:19:37.279 been my question. 1450 01:19:38.439 --> 01:19:41.840 Attached like sides all these body things. 1451 01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:46.560 Yeah, I've thought of it, because here's the thing we're looking. 1452 01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:49.079 Okay, so multiple things are happening in the temple. 1453 01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:53.720 You're using portal mirrors when you're getting married, and you 1454 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:56.279 know you're over an altar. We don't know what's in 1455 01:19:56.279 --> 01:20:01.199 that altar. We also do typhony and stuff like when 1456 01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:06.359 we do the payala ill this this is what we do. 1457 01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:10.000 And we do it three times. 1458 01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:16.720 And I'm just telling you guys like like this, this 1459 01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:17.880 is how I got married. 1460 01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:22.720 So see the mirrors facing each other and create the portal. 1461 01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:24.880 And as you get married over the altar, you look 1462 01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:28.680 into them and say you see it forever and ever, And. 1463 01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:33.039 Then I did I did not know that. That's interesting, yes. 1464 01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:34.039 And then. 1465 01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:39.079 You do it every time you do a marriage for somebody. 1466 01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:44.159 Right right, which is you know that's very exclusive. You 1467 01:20:44.159 --> 01:20:45.920 know you got to be both be the you know, 1468 01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:48.520 the the folks getting married to be members but the 1469 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:50.359 folks attending have to be members too, right, and they 1470 01:20:50.359 --> 01:20:51.079 have to get approvals. 1471 01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:51.680 Correct. 1472 01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:54.880 Oh yeah, only my family that recommends could go. 1473 01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:58.079 Mm hmm. You can't just go. There's no way. My 1474 01:20:58.159 --> 01:20:58.840 dad couldn't go. 1475 01:20:59.800 --> 01:21:01.119 You even if you're just a member, you still have 1476 01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:02.800 to get the temple recommend right. 1477 01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:05.159 Yeah, no, would either. 1478 01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:08.720 Should you look in the mirror, I'll say this. 1479 01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:11.239 Yes, let me pull that up again. I have another 1480 01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:11.800 one here too. 1481 01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:16.840 So this is what it creates. It is a portal. 1482 01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:20.800 And I truly believe that they are attaching spirits because 1483 01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:24.039 think of the spirits that are here that are not 1484 01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:27.920 legally here. If you believe in angels mating with women, 1485 01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:32.520 those people that were created from that or those beings 1486 01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:36.479 did not have a spirit sanctioned by the creator. They 1487 01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:39.479 were made illegally. And so what does it say in 1488 01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:42.840 the Bible about that these things wander after they die 1489 01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:45.880 looking for a place to rest. And that's why in 1490 01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:48.319 you know, when you talk to Jewish people, they'll say, 1491 01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:51.319 there's demons everywhere, and they're all over us all the time, 1492 01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:54.760 like literally, like it would suffocate the room if you 1493 01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:58.439 could see them. So when you think about it, like 1494 01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:03.880 are they trapping anything here because the pentagram that they 1495 01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:06.920 have outside on the temple, let me show you it's 1496 01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:10.319 upside down, and and then they have a pentacle. I 1497 01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:13.279 think the pentacle is right side up if I have 1498 01:22:13.359 --> 01:22:14.479 it in this one. 1499 01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:19.399 And the same concept as body things for scientology essentially, that's. 1500 01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:22.159 How I feel. That that's what I feel. 1501 01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:30.000 Okay, I have a question for Nick about there you go. 1502 01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:34.159 Did you notice any colors or thought it was interesting 1503 01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:35.680 for any reason? 1504 01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:35.840 There? 1505 01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:38.039 Well s, I didn't think, you know, something up with 1506 01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:40.199 the gold probably and then the. 1507 01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:45.279 Even the gold is probably knowledge, don't you think, like. 1508 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:48.840 Yeah? 1509 01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:50.399 And then like that looked like there was like kind 1510 01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:51.600 of green going down the middle. 1511 01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:53.119 Yeah, I thought so too. 1512 01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:56.640 Yeah, that that I found interesting, Like. 1513 01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:59.399 It's a it's a diamond because there's a crystals like 1514 01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:03.359 from the lear there's a crystal illumination and then it's 1515 01:23:03.399 --> 01:23:07.199 going into green, so you're coming back down into nutsalk 1516 01:23:07.319 --> 01:23:08.239 into the diamond. 1517 01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:14.039 Also, we were given to us by Lucifer in the temple. 1518 01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:22.079 I'll show you that with figs. Yeah, that would. And 1519 01:23:22.199 --> 01:23:24.760 his sigil is to Venus. One of those sigils is 1520 01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:28.359 to Venus. Because I've dissected all of them, and just 1521 01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:30.640 for fun, so that you know, that guy that built 1522 01:23:30.640 --> 01:23:34.000 the integriton said the aliens he saw were from Venus, 1523 01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:36.039 that they came to him in his bedroom at night, 1524 01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:38.119 at the foot of his bed, and they were from Venus. 1525 01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:40.119 Just so you know, well that makes sense in the 1526 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:45.600 environmental stuff that you were talking about. Because okay, so hypothetically, again, 1527 01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:47.880 I don't speak to angels, but if I did, or 1528 01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:50.680 angels from any planet anyway, they. 1529 01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:51.840 They're like, don't come at me. 1530 01:23:52.039 --> 01:24:00.319 Angels, don't come at me, bro, But they but they 1531 01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:04.520 angels of Venus would be they would be protecting the 1532 01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:06.119 fortress or protecting the garden. 1533 01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:09.479 So it would be like protecting the natural world. That 1534 01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:12.239 would be like a big part of their function like that. 1535 01:24:12.279 --> 01:24:14.479 You would not that the garden is supposed to be 1536 01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:16.800 pristine in their view, so we were we are never 1537 01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:21.159 supposed to like kind of you know, like tame, like 1538 01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:23.960 we're not such dominion over it. Like that idea from 1539 01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:27.199 the Bible would be kind of antithetical to what angels 1540 01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:29.479 of Venus would think of the world. 1541 01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:32.920 These are our outfits, but these are this is a 1542 01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:35.640 very unclear picture because somebody snuck in and took these 1543 01:24:35.640 --> 01:24:38.720 and this is no shit. New name Noah, shout out you, 1544 01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:42.560 but new name Noah snuck in with some Google glasses. 1545 01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:45.760 This picture shows dark aprons, but they are green. They're 1546 01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:49.399 very dark green with fig leaves on them and one 1547 01:24:49.640 --> 01:24:54.279 sided robe. Yeah, and then we get there. They're praying 1548 01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:56.960 in the circle right now, and then they're going to 1549 01:24:57.399 --> 01:24:59.239 raise up their hands and say, oh God, hear the 1550 01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:01.079 words of my mouth because they changed it, but they 1551 01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:04.279 used to say peley l and if you look it up, 1552 01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:06.359 it's a bad translation because I don't think he was 1553 01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:10.239 very good at a Hebrew But anyway, whatever, and so 1554 01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:14.720 this is the temple garb that you wear like it's 1555 01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:19.319 just what you do. And I remember going and thinking 1556 01:25:20.279 --> 01:25:23.560 this is not where I belong. This is bad idea. 1557 01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:29.680 I was super scared. I was like, uh, And the 1558 01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:33.079 devil actually comes in the so Lucifer comes in. This 1559 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:35.920 session takes like two hours, and you're in the Garden 1560 01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:40.600 of Eden and you are going through the whole fall, 1561 01:25:40.680 --> 01:25:43.560 and everybody has two parts to get a new name. 1562 01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:46.680 They give you a new name at the veil and 1563 01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:51.439 all these things happen. But when you're there and Joseph 1564 01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:54.479 or Joseph, when Adam gets kicked out of the Garden 1565 01:25:54.479 --> 01:25:57.800 of Eden. He's praying and he's sad and he's crying 1566 01:25:57.840 --> 01:25:59.479 out for God. 1567 01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:01.760 But but God doesn't show up. 1568 01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:05.920 And who shows up Lucifer, and he says, hey, you 1569 01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:09.199 better get dressed. Here, put this on because God's going 1570 01:26:09.239 --> 01:26:12.479 to see what you did, so you better put this on. 1571 01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:15.439 And then everybody stands. They say please stand, and the 1572 01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:17.239 men are on one side, the women are on the other. 1573 01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:20.359 And then you get up and put your apron on 1574 01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:22.960 this little fig leaves from Lucifer. I was always like, 1575 01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:24.760 why the hell are we doing what Lucifer told us 1576 01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:26.319 to do? What is happening right now? 1577 01:26:27.880 --> 01:26:30.600 Well it makes I mean, everything you said makes perfect 1578 01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:35.119 sense from a cobola sik Len, like perfectly you have 1579 01:26:35.199 --> 01:26:39.479 the green flashing of Banah. So that's an idea, that's 1580 01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:42.680 like how the diamond crystallizes. That's why it comes into 1581 01:26:42.920 --> 01:26:45.680 the density that it does. But then it's also the 1582 01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:48.560 gardens pristine. That's the idea of the garden. That's why 1583 01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:52.560 it's dark green because it's self luminous like jade is 1584 01:26:52.600 --> 01:26:56.439 another color. Malachite its stones that light cannot pass through. 1585 01:26:57.319 --> 01:26:59.920 But because the light is there right. You're saying that 1586 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:01.720 Lucifer comes to the garden. 1587 01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:05.279 Yes, yes, he comes and says put it on, yeah, 1588 01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:07.119 and then you all stand and do it. 1589 01:27:07.479 --> 01:27:10.439 Herb above that's a you know, a plant of venus 1590 01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:11.039 as well. 1591 01:27:11.479 --> 01:27:14.039 So you said green and I had to pull up 1592 01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:16.119 this stone. You know, Joseph Smith had a lot of stones, 1593 01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:18.600 but this was one. This was one of his stones, 1594 01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:22.720 and I found that interesting as you said that, that 1595 01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:23.800 popped into my head. 1596 01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:25.960 So is that one of his seeing stones that he 1597 01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:28.119 was Yeah. 1598 01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:31.359 They say that he liked this one the best, but 1599 01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:35.479 I don't think so. I think there's a white one 1600 01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:38.800 that that he probably used the most. Because the church 1601 01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:41.680 refuses to even give anything of it except a rendition, 1602 01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:44.800 an artist rendition. I have the artist's rendition of it, 1603 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:51.840 but that's it. Here's the artist transition. I my guess exactly. 1604 01:27:52.520 --> 01:27:52.640 Uh. 1605 01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:55.000 You know, he knew too much to be a dumb 1606 01:27:55.039 --> 01:27:58.720 farm boy like and his family was too prominent. Like 1607 01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:01.960 his family. His brothers off a Dartmouth Indian College. They 1608 01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:05.840 call it the Dartmouth Indian College piece. But you know, 1609 01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:08.520 I think he had a lot of access to books 1610 01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:11.039 because he was sick. You know, what are you going 1611 01:28:11.119 --> 01:28:13.800 to bring your brother home that's laid up with typhoid 1612 01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:16.800 fever and has all this pushtul and almost died and 1613 01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:20.039 you know, all this crap in his leg. Well how 1614 01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:20.760 about books? 1615 01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:21.720 You know? 1616 01:28:22.359 --> 01:28:25.600 Yeah, And those very Bamon towns were very well educated 1617 01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:29.439 despite being you know, the mountain folk, very well educated. 1618 01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:31.239 And you know, I think there's a lot to be 1619 01:28:31.279 --> 01:28:33.600 said about some of the origins of where he learned 1620 01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:35.600 these things amongst those towns up there. 1621 01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:39.760 Absolutely this is a rendition from a neighbor's testimony in 1622 01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:41.920 the Glass Looker case. This is a drawing of what 1623 01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:45.520 he described happened when they would come and do treasure digging. 1624 01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:48.359 And so you know, there's a lot of things they 1625 01:28:48.439 --> 01:28:51.039 leave out of the story, which are like the practices 1626 01:28:51.079 --> 01:28:53.960 with Sidney Rignan in the caves afterward, and the whole 1627 01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:56.640 bunch of other sketchy stuff. But they just don't want 1628 01:28:56.640 --> 01:28:58.319 to go into it. And I think, you know, what, 1629 01:28:58.439 --> 01:29:02.760 if you're if you're Mormon and you want to, you know, 1630 01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:05.359 be a part of the Mormon Church, and they really 1631 01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:07.359 wanted to help you, like they say they do, why 1632 01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:09.760 do they have so many ignorant people that don't know 1633 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:12.359 anything because they are using people, and that is why 1634 01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:15.319 I'm pissed off at them. It isn't because they do magic. 1635 01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:18.000 I could give a shit less. It's because they do 1636 01:29:18.079 --> 01:29:20.880 this kind of stuff and they're harnessing the energy from 1637 01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:24.920 it for their self, and that is just that to me, 1638 01:29:25.079 --> 01:29:27.399 is just diabolical. You know. 1639 01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:31.680 So well? And interesting? 1640 01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:35.039 Sorry, Look at the symbols on the temple their gin. 1641 01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:39.560 Yeah yeah, okay, So that sigil that you show of 1642 01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:43.079 Joseph Smith's you had a modern like sort of the 1643 01:29:43.079 --> 01:29:46.920 modern we'll call it the updated uh Pentacle of Solomon 1644 01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:50.600 for it, it's the Pentacle of Jupiter. And interestingly, that 1645 01:29:50.640 --> 01:29:54.199 pentacle is used for exactly what you were just talking about. 1646 01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:57.279 It's used to cast away spirits, protecting treasure. 1647 01:29:58.560 --> 01:30:02.039 And his whole table on this because I this was 1648 01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:05.920 his Jupiter talisman that he had. They say it wasn't 1649 01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:08.640 quite correct and that it possibly led to his death 1650 01:30:09.199 --> 01:30:12.640 because instead of prosperity, it was kind of a curse 1651 01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:15.560 upon his life because it wasn't quite right on the 1652 01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:20.319 table there. But either way, you know anybody that you 1653 01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:24.079 know well or you can look up that is an 1654 01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:27.079 actual practitioner of magic. If you do not know exactly 1655 01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:29.239 what you're doing like people that want to just go 1656 01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:31.159 buy stuff, and like, well, I'm just gonna think you 1657 01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:34.319 do this today. You best be careful because I postulate 1658 01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:36.439 and Jin's here today and this isn't what we were 1659 01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:38.079 talking about. But if you guys are good with it, 1660 01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:42.079 I'll keep talking. I just did a full comparison of 1661 01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:46.039 Crowley and Joseph Smith, and I think he did the abermelon. 1662 01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:49.439 I one hundred percent think he was looking for HGA. 1663 01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:51.960 I one hundred percent think he was calling out to 1664 01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:55.880 things specifically. And I don't think he closed anything after 1665 01:30:56.279 --> 01:31:00.800 if he got it. And that's a problem because once 1666 01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:04.000 you open, if you don't close, we all know where 1667 01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:06.159 the Lochness Monster supposedly came from. 1668 01:31:06.319 --> 01:31:09.039 Right, Well, this is interesting at what you're saying, very 1669 01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:11.439 very interesting to me. And I told you last time 1670 01:31:11.479 --> 01:31:13.840 that this idea of him as a magician, like as 1671 01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:17.079 a full fledge, like he's all the way, he's thirty three, 1672 01:31:17.159 --> 01:31:22.880 he's thirty four, Okay, But what you're saying is like 1673 01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:27.159 maybe he didn't know. It's like what JJ is saying, 1674 01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:30.279 there's like the folk tradition, so it's like folk Martinism. 1675 01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:33.000 And I'm not saying that it's a sortative, but maybe 1676 01:31:33.039 --> 01:31:35.720 there's not like a long line attrition where the Catholics 1677 01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:36.840 they have Rosicrucianism. 1678 01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:39.920 So a lot of the priests understand. 1679 01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:42.039 A lot of the you know, people who are running 1680 01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:45.079 the institution understands. But like with these kind of like 1681 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:49.560 rebel hugeon O's and Puritans, there's no one, there's no 1682 01:31:49.640 --> 01:31:52.800 like great faction running the show. So some of the 1683 01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:55.800 knowledge may have gotten like a little bit lost, a 1684 01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:56.720 little forgotten. 1685 01:31:57.800 --> 01:32:00.880 Right, Yeah, I think that he well well and if 1686 01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:05.479 possibly which I think Lumen Walters was the one that 1687 01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:07.720 helped him. But also you have to remember when he 1688 01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:10.680 got sick, and JJ can attest to this. When he 1689 01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:14.159 got sick, he has always been it's always been said 1690 01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:16.520 like and then he just laid up in the kitchen 1691 01:32:16.560 --> 01:32:18.520 with his mom, Right, JJ, have you ever heard anything 1692 01:32:18.520 --> 01:32:21.640 else different, Like basically he's laying around the house, he's 1693 01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:25.760 getting better. No, they sent him to Salem. No, they 1694 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:28.479 sent him to his uncle Jesse. And I found this 1695 01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:31.119 way later and I was like, I never heard this before. 1696 01:32:31.439 --> 01:32:35.840 What And so he's at that age, that critical learning 1697 01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:40.000 age where maybe Jesse taught him some things and then 1698 01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:42.680 Lumen Walters comes and teaches him some things, and maybe 1699 01:32:42.720 --> 01:32:45.439 none of it was complete, because but he knew enough 1700 01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:47.960 to become a master mason in a day. I know that. 1701 01:32:48.520 --> 01:32:51.680 So he did have enough knowledge to pass a lot 1702 01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:54.680 of tests. And in fact, one of the angels that 1703 01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:56.680 I showed you in the sigil that was black and white, 1704 01:32:57.199 --> 01:33:02.760 is actually a Freemason password, so it was Jebulon. So 1705 01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:07.319 I'm like, Okay, he knew enough to know how to 1706 01:33:07.319 --> 01:33:12.000 get in trouble. I think, no, fourteen years old when 1707 01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:12.760 he went up to Salem. 1708 01:33:12.840 --> 01:33:13.760 Was that about fourteen? 1709 01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:16.840 Yeah? But then no, I think he was quite younger. 1710 01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:18.640 I think he might have been around ten or eleven, 1711 01:33:18.760 --> 01:33:21.720 because that was when his leg his leg was early 1712 01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:23.600 in life. I think he was maybe seven or eight, 1713 01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:25.680 and it lasted for a long time. They were going 1714 01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.920 to cut his leg off, but instead they drained it 1715 01:33:28.960 --> 01:33:32.239 and it was pushing out the bone shards. 1716 01:33:32.319 --> 01:33:35.600 It was like this horrible situation, and we all know that, like. 1717 01:33:35.560 --> 01:33:37.720 If you have a life or death, you know thing, 1718 01:33:38.319 --> 01:33:41.000 then that can also play into it where he would 1719 01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:44.920 be more open, you know at that point. So I 1720 01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:46.560 mean good points. 1721 01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:48.720 I've always wondered that story is accurate as far as 1722 01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:51.720 it was a miraculous tale of recovery because he's some 1723 01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:54.279 sort of profit and overlord type of deal, you know. 1724 01:33:54.359 --> 01:33:56.960 But there's obviously something got in there. 1725 01:33:56.960 --> 01:33:59.199 For something going there, right, Maybe that's a cover story, 1726 01:33:59.199 --> 01:33:59.960 who knows. 1727 01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:02.880 Or something got in him when he was down, like 1728 01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:05.119 and helped him live the rest of his days. I 1729 01:34:05.199 --> 01:34:07.479 always wonder about that, like what if you say you'll 1730 01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:11.000 do anything literally or was it his parents, you know, 1731 01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:14.439 did he you know? Who knows? But I do know this. 1732 01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:16.239 It gets very thousands. 1733 01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:19.159 Long around that time, you know, not destiny from north 1734 01:34:19.199 --> 01:34:19.560 to south. 1735 01:34:19.600 --> 01:34:22.560 I mean, there's a lot of this kind of ceremonial magic, 1736 01:34:22.600 --> 01:34:23.720 cold activity going on. 1737 01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:27.000 Yes, he wasn't the only one. I think he just 1738 01:34:27.039 --> 01:34:30.760 got killed because he had a fat mouth. So the 1739 01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:33.079 king fall it, the King fall it sermon. If you 1740 01:34:33.079 --> 01:34:37.039 look it up, it's very cabalistic in nature. It's also 1741 01:34:37.079 --> 01:34:40.199 talking about plural deities. And I think they were just 1742 01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:43.079 done with his shit. Like I think they were like, okay, look, 1743 01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:46.840 first you're banging everybody's wives. Now you're doing this like 1744 01:34:46.960 --> 01:34:50.880 that's enough. You know. That's my thoughts. He did marry 1745 01:34:50.920 --> 01:34:54.359 William Morgan's X Well not ex wife widow. I suppose 1746 01:34:54.680 --> 01:34:57.600 that many, many point their finger that Joseph had a 1747 01:34:57.640 --> 01:34:59.079 part to do with his disappearance. 1748 01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:02.720 So politically speaking, he was kind of the Donald Trump 1749 01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:05.239 of his day, involved in numerous industries. In fact, he 1750 01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:08.760 had the second largest militia in America, just slightly smaller 1751 01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:09.680 than the US Army. 1752 01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:12.000 You know, the governor of Illinois was not going to 1753 01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:12.520 mess with them. 1754 01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:17.039 The Mormon militia was far far larger than the Illinois militia. 1755 01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:21.000 So very powerful, dude, bank banking guy politics. So he's 1756 01:35:21.039 --> 01:35:23.039 kind of the you know, the Donald Trump of his day, 1757 01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:23.439 if you will. 1758 01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:31.199 So, yeah, he ran the president. Yeah, yeah, president. I 1759 01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:32.079 think it's not wrong. 1760 01:35:32.800 --> 01:35:34.840 Yeah, that's what I think may have got him killed. Right, 1761 01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:37.159 there was the I'm gonna run for president, make this 1762 01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:39.520 entire country. Mormon came boy. 1763 01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:42.239 And then you know about the Quorum of the fifty two. 1764 01:35:42.279 --> 01:35:45.840 There's that hidden fifty inside where they don't ever talk 1765 01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:48.960 about it. And I think that he knew enough to 1766 01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:51.800 set it up really well because they're like, oh, he 1767 01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:54.000 never read the Book of Knock. And then he made 1768 01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:58.920 something like the whole communistic community that he was making, 1769 01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:02.199 where you give every thing it was like the Order 1770 01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:04.319 of I think he called it the Order of Enoch, 1771 01:36:04.600 --> 01:36:07.279 and so I'm like, well, you guys are dumb, like 1772 01:36:07.479 --> 01:36:09.880 hide your history better if you don't want anybody to 1773 01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:14.399 find it check it out. Weird. But anyways, with that, 1774 01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:16.680 we will wait for the rest of this fun stuff 1775 01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:19.359 with RFK and how it plugs in there, it's quite 1776 01:36:19.479 --> 01:36:20.000 more fun. 1777 01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:21.600 I think Jin will like it better because we're going 1778 01:36:21.640 --> 01:36:22.079 to talk more. 1779 01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:25.479 About the seance, although we did talk about aliens from Venus, 1780 01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:26.439 so that was pretty fun. 1781 01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:28.039 I love all of it. 1782 01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:31.119 I love the Nixon stuff I have, like I kind 1783 01:36:31.159 --> 01:36:35.079 of I interpret it like they're all magicians, they're all mafia. 1784 01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:36.000 Like I don't really pick sides. 1785 01:36:36.279 --> 01:36:37.119 Yeah cool. 1786 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:40.840 Oh I think I found when I was looking, and 1787 01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:42.840 I don't I don't want to misspeak, but I will 1788 01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:46.880 say I'm ninety eight percent sure Joseph Smith is related 1789 01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:49.159 to the Rockefellers. 1790 01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:51.560 To be continued Next time on that, I'll bring some 1791 01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:54.960 actual proof because then that makes one hundred percent since 1792 01:36:55.119 --> 01:36:57.479 what Jin just said, like, yeah, it's one big circle. 1793 01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:04.880 Bring some proof of how his grandson married Lawrence Washington's 1794 01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:05.800 great granddaughter. 1795 01:37:08.960 --> 01:37:12.439 It doesn't surprise me. Yeah, it does not surprise me 1796 01:37:12.479 --> 01:37:17.279 with it being he supposedly arranged the whole Boston tea party. 1797 01:37:18.079 --> 01:37:19.319 I didn't know that until I did. 1798 01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:21.359 I was thinking of when you said that exactly. 1799 01:37:21.479 --> 01:37:24.319 Yeah, I never heard that before. You would think as 1800 01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:26.279 patriotic as Mormon's are, they'd be like. 1801 01:37:26.279 --> 01:37:27.000 And we did that. 1802 01:37:27.560 --> 01:37:30.720 Yes right, No, never heard that before. But a Mormon 1803 01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:33.960 all my life except for the last what decade, so 1804 01:37:35.279 --> 01:37:36.439 weird gets weird. 1805 01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:38.840 Never know, it's just super weird. 1806 01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:42.520 Yeah, all right, now we're going to wrap it up. Yes, no, 1807 01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:46.039 thank you, thank you, and thank you, uh, Jin and JJ. 1808 01:37:46.199 --> 01:37:47.920 Let me let you guys plug your stuff now at 1809 01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:50.159 the end of the show, JJ, real quick, let everybody 1810 01:37:50.159 --> 01:37:52.399 know where they can find your amazing work PLESEA. 1811 01:37:54.039 --> 01:37:57.520 JJ vance Tests of Operation GCD not the vice president, 1812 01:37:57.800 --> 01:38:01.680 also no longer Mormon, but deeply fascinating on its topic 1813 01:38:01.760 --> 01:38:03.000 due to the first. 1814 01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:04.279 Twenty years of my life being Mormon. 1815 01:38:05.560 --> 01:38:09.039 Awesome, thanksciate, appreciate the invite, Nick and Heidi. Great, great, 1816 01:38:09.199 --> 01:38:10.119 great talking to you again. 1817 01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:12.880 Awesome to talk. Can't wait till eachat again. 1818 01:38:13.159 --> 01:38:15.159 Yeah, no, thank you for both. Thank you for joining 1819 01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:18.520 j J, I always appreciate it. And Jin the Ninja 1820 01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:20.359 what is up my man? Let everybody know where they 1821 01:38:20.359 --> 01:38:21.640 can find your stuff, please, sir? 1822 01:38:22.239 --> 01:38:26.000 All right, well thanks Boston say that fighting me perpetually 1823 01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:29.760 on a series of course, JJ, who is I guess 1824 01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:34.000 my my new co host on when I'm a Reject? 1825 01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:37.520 And then Heidi, I've honestly, I'm like everything that I've 1826 01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:40.479 learned has been quite profound and in a sense I'm 1827 01:38:40.520 --> 01:38:44.439 thinking about everything in a different way because of one 1828 01:38:44.520 --> 01:38:48.800 statement that yes he found his ahga, so you still 1829 01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:52.119 have an awesome conversation. I think on my show eventually 1830 01:38:52.119 --> 01:38:54.800 it will happen and hopefully and if you say yes 1831 01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:56.520 and yeah and. 1832 01:38:56.439 --> 01:38:58.399 So bringing my curly notes. 1833 01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:02.279 Interesting because I kind of just look at it like, yeah, 1834 01:39:02.359 --> 01:39:03.560 they kind of lie a lot. 1835 01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:07.800 So for me, I don't take it like they they 1836 01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:11.760 can do things maybe, but I don't know. 1837 01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:14.039 I kind of think that they're you know, tall Tales 1838 01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:16.479 is the greatest magicians to a ball. 1839 01:39:17.279 --> 01:39:19.960 Well, the Angels always did lie. John d even says that, 1840 01:39:20.079 --> 01:39:22.199 and then even Crawley later after he did the Book 1841 01:39:22.199 --> 01:39:24.560 of the Law, later he was like, ah, they lied 1842 01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:31.039 to be a wassu asshole. So with that, I'll quick 1843 01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:34.560 cussing on your show and stuff though, Gin. 1844 01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:35.239 You plugged everything. 1845 01:39:37.119 --> 01:39:39.199 Yeah, so you can find me, sorry, guys on Twitter, 1846 01:39:39.199 --> 01:39:41.159 at wucom, re Born to the Uko and g Reborn. 1847 01:39:42.159 --> 01:39:46.199 Also my show Threshold Saints a Spotify, Apple and anywhere 1848 01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:49.560 you got your podcasts, And thank you guys so much 1849 01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:50.239 really fun. 1850 01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:52.199 Oh yeah, and you'll like we'll be on the bottom 1851 01:39:52.279 --> 01:39:56.359 as well. And Heidi finally the guests. Let everybody know 1852 01:39:56.680 --> 01:39:58.399 where they can find all your amazing work. 1853 01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:01.680 Please, awesome, thank you again. I had a fun time. 1854 01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:03.960 You guys are awesome, and it's always fun to talk 1855 01:40:04.039 --> 01:40:05.760 Mormon stuff, especially Nick loves it. 1856 01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:08.640 Oh yeah, Mormons and Nazis, and so we're going to 1857 01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:10.520 get into both. Yeah, I mean I love it. 1858 01:40:10.520 --> 01:40:13.119 It's so good right like, and I am at the 1859 01:40:13.239 --> 01:40:15.760 Unfiltered Rise yep, everywhere podcasts are served. 1860 01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:18.239 I do have my own website, unfiltered Rise dot com. 1861 01:40:18.439 --> 01:40:20.279 If you don't want to go to anywhere else, if 1862 01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:22.359 you go to YouTube, you'll be sadly disappointed. 1863 01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:24.600 They do not like me and do not like my work. 1864 01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:27.479 I talk too much about weird things, so I get 1865 01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:30.640 dinged enough. I am mostly on any other podchaser, so 1866 01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:33.319 once a week on YouTube if it wasn't too spicy. 1867 01:40:33.720 --> 01:40:36.960 Yeah, awesome. Yeah, So everybody go check out their links. 1868 01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:40.199 They're all on the bottom. Thank you all again, I 1869 01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:43.239 really do appreciate you coming on. This is an awesome series. Again, 1870 01:40:43.279 --> 01:40:44.720 it's a lot of it's a lot of stuff I 1871 01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:45.920 don't know a lot of it, so I'm just like 1872 01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:48.840 sitting here like what, what the fuck? But thank you. 1873 01:40:48.920 --> 01:40:51.199 This is really really interesting and I'm really happy to 1874 01:40:51.239 --> 01:40:54.479 have this on on the Occult Rejects. And that is 1875 01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:56.520 the end of this one and until the next one, 1876 01:40:56.600 --> 01:40:58.359 everybody be well later. 1877 01:49:01.359 --> 01:49:05.520 Assass