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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 1>edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>single day on your favorite podcast platform. And this anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>of nine to eleven, right, I mean, that is truly

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<v Speaker 1>the American way. Everybody ran toward the fire and to

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<v Speaker 1>all of those heroes on Flight ninety three and the

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<v Speaker 1>Twin Towers, etc. That is the American way. So we

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<v Speaker 1>remember them today as we try to save America for

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<v Speaker 1>the future. And that brings us, of course to the

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<v Speaker 1>debate last night. So I have to start with an apology,

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<v Speaker 1>right because if you listen to this show, it took

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<v Speaker 1>all the suspense out of last night because exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>I predicted would happened would happen. And it was horrific, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It was obscene. It was election interference. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>form of rigging an election. It was a disgrace to journalism.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what these Harris staffers called moderators did last night.

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<v Speaker 1>It was such a disservice to the American people because

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<v Speaker 1>the American people deserved the truth, the American people tuned

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<v Speaker 1>in for the truth. The American people wanted the answers

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<v Speaker 1>from both candidates, and as I predicted, the way that

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<v Speaker 1>they protected Harris to the extreme it was just downright dishonest.

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<v Speaker 1>But it deprived the American people of what they needed.

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<v Speaker 1>And that in the end, for reasons I'm about to

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<v Speaker 1>dive into, is going to end up backfiring on Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to backfire on the left long term. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to actually help Trump. You know, for the same

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<v Speaker 1>reason that all of these bogus criminal charges and all

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<v Speaker 1>of this corruption of the criminal justice system to try

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<v Speaker 1>to defeat Trump has backfired on the left and helped Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why the sentencing was put off right, that was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be coming up in a week, because it

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<v Speaker 1>was going to help Trump. So for the same reason

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<v Speaker 1>that fundamental unfairness last night is going to backfire in

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's favor. But there's there's another reason. It's it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to really hurt Harris and really help Trump. And I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get into that right now. Eighty five for

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<v Speaker 1>zero five A two five five text d an five

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<v Speaker 1>seven seven three nine. I can't wait hear from me

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<v Speaker 1>in the phones and text is always right, but man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna throwback. I'd love the phone calls too, And

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<v Speaker 1>I want your take obviously on who won and lost

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<v Speaker 1>and why, but also should Trump debate Harris again? The

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift effect? What do you think it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at a headline right now on CNN or

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<v Speaker 1>a second ago talking about the enormity of the Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>Swift endorsement. But let me start with this, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to give you my take on who won last night?

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, for all of these people, and I

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<v Speaker 1>understand it's the majority of analysts, etc. Out there saying

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<v Speaker 1>that Harris won the debate last night, I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>provably wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody can credibly say that Harris won

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<v Speaker 1>the debate because that goes back to the definition of winning.

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<v Speaker 1>What is a win for Kamala Harris last night? There's

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<v Speaker 1>only one meaningful definition of winning, changing the arc of

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<v Speaker 1>the race so that she's elected president. This was her

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<v Speaker 1>last best opportunity to do that, and I think she

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<v Speaker 1>clearly failed at that. So how can you say she

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<v Speaker 1>won the debate when all indications are that she did

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<v Speaker 1>not change the arc of the race. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>she clearly lost the debate according to the definition that

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<v Speaker 1>matters most, and the proof of that you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to take my word for it. The proof of that

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<v Speaker 1>is that she immediately asked for a second debate. If

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<v Speaker 1>she had won the debate, meaning change the ark of

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<v Speaker 1>the race, so she was now on track to win,

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<v Speaker 1>she would not have asked for a second debate. That's irrefutable.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it is inaccurate to say that Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harris won the debate. Now did Trump win the debate? Again?

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<v Speaker 1>We come back to the definition. Listen, come on, anybody

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<v Speaker 1>in the right mind watching that debate last night, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want Donald Trump to win, was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>very frustrated that he missed so many obvious openings. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm frustrated. Everybody's frustrated he missed those openings. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think he's getting enough credit for the many really good

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<v Speaker 1>things he did last night. Again, keeping in mind that

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<v Speaker 1>that is such a tough scenario when it literally is

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<v Speaker 1>three against one and the other two the Harris staffers

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<v Speaker 1>who were there, Meir and Lindsey Davis. The Harris staffers

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<v Speaker 1>are smarter and more effective than Harris's so in that

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<v Speaker 1>three on one, limited time, etc. I think he did

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<v Speaker 1>some remarkably good things he's not getting enough credit for.

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<v Speaker 1>But clearly he missed a lot of openings. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>possible to say that he won the debate? Well, this

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<v Speaker 1>comes back to what's the definition of winning. It is

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<v Speaker 1>the definition of winning that you have polls right afterwards

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<v Speaker 1>that say, oh, yeah, sixty percent say Trump on forty

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<v Speaker 1>percent say Harris. That's not the definition of winning the debate.

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<v Speaker 1>The definition of winning the debate is to do what

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<v Speaker 1>you have to do to win the presidency. If that's

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<v Speaker 1>the definition of winning the debate, Yeah, Trump won the debate,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's because, hey, there was no major gaff that

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<v Speaker 1>turned the race in her favor. That that's winning the debate,

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<v Speaker 1>especially under those circumstances. But think about the history of

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<v Speaker 1>these presidential debates. You know, it's all about the big gaffes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not Wow, Johnny was so impressive in that debate,

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to win the presidency, except for maybe John Kennedy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because that contrasted Nixon. But no, it's about the big

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<v Speaker 1>gaffs that cost people. And so Trump avoided that last night,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is very significant because while he missed

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<v Speaker 1>so many opportunities, right, and it would have been great,

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<v Speaker 1>and if he hit half those opportunities, she's clearly done now.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not bidenized the way he was on June twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's clearly done now. And he missed a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of those opportunities. But that's not a fraction as harmful

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<v Speaker 1>as some big gaff and there was no big gaff.

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<v Speaker 1>And on temperament, yeah, he flared up a couple of times,

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<v Speaker 1>but overall, under the circumstances, I think he did very

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<v Speaker 1>well on temperament. So yeah, he could have ended the

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<v Speaker 1>race last night conclusively, missed that opportunity. Frustrating. But if

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<v Speaker 1>the definition of winning or losing the debate is whether

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<v Speaker 1>you are now on track to win the presidency, well

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<v Speaker 1>she lost. She lost. And so as we sit here

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<v Speaker 1>right now, As we sit here right now and we

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<v Speaker 1>look at that election interference we saw last night from ABC,

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<v Speaker 1>please keep in mind that that is an enormous favor

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say long term, but long term now is over

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<v Speaker 1>two or three weeks. That's an enormous favor to the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump campaign because by ABC rigging this thing last night,

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<v Speaker 1>for Harris. What they did was create the best night

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<v Speaker 1>possible for her, right the best night possible. She looked

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<v Speaker 1>as good as she could possibly look because she was

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<v Speaker 1>so thoroughly and dishonestly protected by ABC. So if the move,

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<v Speaker 1>if the needle does not move decisively in her favor

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<v Speaker 1>that she sustains over the next three weeks or so,

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<v Speaker 1>that's disastrous for the Democrats because what that means is

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<v Speaker 1>when she has her best night possible because ABC created

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<v Speaker 1>it for the people just aren't buying it. If she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a big move in the polls now after

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<v Speaker 1>last night's charade, it just means the people don't buy

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<v Speaker 1>what she's selling. And that is the reality I believe

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<v Speaker 1>as we sit in America today and listen, you know

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<v Speaker 1>it and I know it, we are going to see

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<v Speaker 1>some polls come out over the next few days that

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<v Speaker 1>show this big shift and Harris opening up this lead, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>And two things on that. First, the media lies for

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<v Speaker 1>her all the time exhibit a last night. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways the media sometimes lies for her and

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<v Speaker 1>other Democrats is through polling. So take those with the

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<v Speaker 1>grain of salt. But second, see what sustains over time,

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<v Speaker 1>because when you really get into the polling that's been

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<v Speaker 1>done since last night, almost every indication right now is

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<v Speaker 1>that she swung and missed. She came up short. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she looked a lot better than people thought she would

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<v Speaker 1>because the bar was so low for good reason, just

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<v Speaker 1>looking at her past performance, and ABC protected her the

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<v Speaker 1>way they did. But the fact she looked better than

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<v Speaker 1>she was expected to doesn't mean she gave those undecided

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<v Speaker 1>voters what they wanted. And all indications from the polling

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<v Speaker 1>overnight is that she didn't. Because I know you're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>some topline polls that say sixty percent say Harris won

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<v Speaker 1>the debate. Who cares? That's not what matters. Did it

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<v Speaker 1>change their vote? Who are they supporting for president? And

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<v Speaker 1>in almost every poll I've seen in these many of

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<v Speaker 1>them are poles conducted by the left, the answer is no.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people think she quote won the debate for the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons I just mentioned. I disagree with that, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the end, that's not changing the arc of the race.

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<v Speaker 1>It hasn't changed where the race stood before the debate.

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<v Speaker 1>But then it gets even better for Trump. And when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back and I do it right now. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not just trying to do a cheap tease. But when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back about four to twenty one, I will

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<v Speaker 1>give you a profound truth that nobody else is told

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, nobody in the country is talking about. In

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<v Speaker 1>the second you hear it, you're going to say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, and it's a profound truth about this race,

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<v Speaker 1>about what happened last night. And I'll give you Exhibit A.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll play it for you proof that Kamala Harris lost

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<v Speaker 1>this debate in the first two minutes. You're on the

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<v Speaker 1>Dankplas Show.

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<v Speaker 3>And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Good Morning America.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Charles Gibson, I'm Diane Sorry, and it's Tuesday, September eleventh,

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<v Speaker 5>two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 2>It is lunchtime in London, five am in Los Angeles and.

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<v Speaker 3>Eight am here in New York.

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<v Speaker 5>Live from the CNN Financial News headquarters.

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<v Speaker 1>It is beautiful outside, perfect September day with lots of sunshine.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh would you look at Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, I'm going outside today.

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<v Speaker 3>Other than that, it's kind of quiet around the country.

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<v Speaker 7>We like quiet because it's quiet. It's too quiet too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this justin you were looking at.

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<v Speaker 6>Obviously a very disturbing live shot there that is the

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<v Speaker 6>World Trade Center.

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<v Speaker 7>Plus better the majoris in form.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently a plane has crashed into the World Trade Center,

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<v Speaker 2>New York.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll play more of that. But you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's really good that debate happened on September ten because

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<v Speaker 1>one of the areas where I thought Trump just shined

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<v Speaker 1>last night. What was talking about foreign policy, talking about

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<v Speaker 1>war versus peace, and the contrast there is so clear,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I don't think there are a handful of

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<v Speaker 1>undecided voters who really believe that that Kamala Harris has

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<v Speaker 1>the gravitas to stand up to our enemies or even

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<v Speaker 1>the inclination to including radical Islam eight five five for

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<v Speaker 1>if you missed the first segment, the down and dirty

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<v Speaker 1>on it is. I think the people saying Harris won

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<v Speaker 1>the debate are wrong because win means that it increased

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<v Speaker 1>her chance to win the presidency, it changed the arc

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<v Speaker 1>of the race, and all indications are that it did not.

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<v Speaker 1>So how can you say she won the debate when

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<v Speaker 1>it's her last best chance? And I want your take

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<v Speaker 1>the profound truth, okay, And this is, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>the proper lens to analyze last night's debate and whether

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<v Speaker 1>Harris won again defining winning as changing the arc because

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<v Speaker 1>she's arcing tour to defeat at this point. Did she

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<v Speaker 1>change that arc last night? And I think the answers

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<v Speaker 1>clearly know. But here's why. Because you haven't heard this anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as you hear it, I think you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to agree it's true. What you hear right now is oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Harris won because she was on the offensive. She took

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<v Speaker 1>the debate to him, she walked across the stage, he

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<v Speaker 1>missed opportunities, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>if winning, if winning is winning with the people who

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<v Speaker 1>will decide this race, which means changing their mind, moving them,

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<v Speaker 1>getting them to decide in your direction. No, and here's why.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's why she lost. Here's why she lost. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to play you the sound. She lost this debate

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<v Speaker 1>and her best chance to turn this race around in

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<v Speaker 1>the first two minutes of the debate when they were

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<v Speaker 1>you know, intersects with that perfectly. But here's the point.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much talk about this candidate lies, that candidate lies. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>voters for a reason. They're not married to either camp.

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<v Speaker 1>They're out there going race to raise, voting their self interest,

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>They're jurors in this case that's being tried in the

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<v Speaker 1>six swing states, and they're jurors who are going to

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<v Speaker 1>decide the case of Trump v. Harris. And there is

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<v Speaker 1>a direct, perfect analogy now between not you and me,

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<v Speaker 1>or not your friends who are Democrats, we don't matter,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a direct analogy between these undecided swing state

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<v Speaker 1>forty years of trying cases and hopefully forty more to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Jurors like these swing state voters above all, they want

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<v Speaker 1>direct answers to important questions. I'll tell you every case

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever tried, the second to witness I'm cross examining

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<v Speaker 1>I win. It's better for me if they don't answer

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<v Speaker 1>the question, if they're obviously evasive, then if they give

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<v Speaker 1>me the answer I want. Because when you are a

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<v Speaker 1>juror in a trial, and everybody listening to who's been

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<v Speaker 1>one knows this is true. Just like if you are

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody wants something from that voter, they darn well better

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<v Speaker 1>answer the key questions directly. And what hurts Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 1>far more than any lie is when she refuses to

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<v Speaker 1>And the core question which the debate opened with last

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<v Speaker 1>night was are you better off? You know, Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think people are better off today than they

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<v Speaker 1>were four years ago? And Kamala Harris blatantly, unequivocally dodged

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<v Speaker 1>part of a pattern over the course of the evening.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you hear it turning up and the focus

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<v Speaker 1>groups that are being done afterwork by focus groups of

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<v Speaker 1>independent voters being done by lefting networks. When she decided

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid that fair question and dodge it, that's where

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<v Speaker 1>she lost you know who? She also lost there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll still vote for Jake Tapper. This is just a

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<v Speaker 5>Going right to my point, Vice President Harris began the

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<v Speaker 7>Do you believe Americans are better off than they were

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<v Speaker 7>four years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>So I was raised as a middle class kid, and

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<v Speaker 1>She lost it right there. Fair question deserves an answer.

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<v Speaker 1>She knew it was coming, and she profoundly disrespected the

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<v Speaker 1>swing state voters by refusing to answer it and then

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<v Speaker 1>launching off into these talking points and.

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<v Speaker 2>On the stage, who has a plan that is about

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<v Speaker 2>lifting up the middle class and working people of America?

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<v Speaker 5>They went on from there. Despite the economy being the

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<v Speaker 5>number one issue facing the country, the sitting Vice president

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<v Speaker 5>generally reverted to talking points about a few of her

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<v Speaker 5>needs to talk more about what she will do for Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, drop the mic. That's Jake Tepper on CNN, And

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<v Speaker 1>there were multiple examples of that, and of course ABC

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<v Speaker 1>didn't follow up with her because they were protecting her,

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<v Speaker 1>But ironically, you know, they ended up helping Trump because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you, nothing's going to offend a jur more

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<v Speaker 1>than the witness refusing to answer a fair, direct question.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think she really hurt herself profoundly. I think

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<v Speaker 1>what you just heard from Tapper, and that was just

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<v Speaker 1>a short time ago, I think confirms that. So bottom line,

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<v Speaker 1>a win for her had to mean changing the arc

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<v Speaker 1>of this race. I think clearly she lost, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why she immediately wanted a second debate. Should Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>debate her again. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the key point I touched on in the last segment.

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<v Speaker 1>Voters assumed that candidates on both sides lie, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>what hurt Harris so badly last night were not her lies.

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<v Speaker 1>What hurt her so badly was doing something that I

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<v Speaker 1>think offends many swing state voters, just like many jurors

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<v Speaker 1>much more, and that is refusing to answer a direct

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<v Speaker 1>question dodging and important direct questions, such as Vice President Harris,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that people are better off now than

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<v Speaker 1>they were four years ago? It goes beyond even that,

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<v Speaker 1>the terrible, terrible reaction to a lie when somebody will

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<v Speaker 1>not even show you the courtesy the respect of answering

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<v Speaker 1>an important question. I think she really hurt herself that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and the sound I played from Jake Tapper at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning proved it. He went off on her on it,

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<v Speaker 1>Cindy in beautiful Fremont County, you're on the dan Kaplas show.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome, Hello, thanks for taking my call. I understand the

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<v Speaker 4>debate was definitely biased and that was unfortunate, But I

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<v Speaker 4>also felt like Trump was not prepared. I was disappointed

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<v Speaker 4>that he couldn't be succinct and go on the attack

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<v Speaker 4>on his answers and for those people that only, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>only Trump can win this election, nobody else. I just

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<v Speaker 4>felt like, you know, somebody younger up there may have

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<v Speaker 4>been a little bit more humble and willing to really

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<v Speaker 4>prep and to know how to go on the attack.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was disappointed.

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<v Speaker 1>Cindy, what a brilliant call. It gets into two very

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<v Speaker 1>important things in my opinion. First, you're absolutely right. If

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump had done traditional debate prep, he would have

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<v Speaker 1>been so much better last night, taking advantages, taking advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of openings, etc. Very frustrating to me, and it has

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<v Speaker 1>been since sixteen that he won't do traditional debate prep.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think you know from your life. I know

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<v Speaker 1>from mine that whether it's you, Cindy or me, Dan

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<v Speaker 1>or Ryan or Kelly or Donald Trump, that many of

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<v Speaker 1>the same things that can make us great in the

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<v Speaker 1>ways that we're all great, you know, can can also

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<v Speaker 1>be a liability in another area. President Trump is stubborn.

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<v Speaker 1>That stubbornness can be as great as strength when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to debate prep. I think it bit him in

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<v Speaker 1>the butt. But at that point, Cindy conclude that we'd

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<v Speaker 1>be better off with another candidate. Here's why I respectfully disagree. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've said before I would have been thrilled with

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<v Speaker 1>Ron DeSantis as a nominee. But here's why Trump, in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, gives us the best chance to win. Because

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<v Speaker 1>it's only Donald Trump who can get this massive turnout

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<v Speaker 1>from people who normally don't vote because they see him

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<v Speaker 1>as the opposite of a normal politician. That's how he

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<v Speaker 1>won in sixteen, That's how I think he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>win this time. In the New York Times poll that

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I think he still gives us the best

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<v Speaker 1>chance to win. Hey, appreciate the call, Cindy. What a

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<v Speaker 1>great question, great way to start. Let's go to Mike

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<v Speaker 1>in Denver. You're on the Dan Kapolo Show. Lines are full.

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<v Speaker 7>Welcome Mike, mister caplis. Thank you for taking Mike halg

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<v Speaker 7>scraight to be with you again. So just a couple

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<v Speaker 7>of quick things here. First of all, you know about

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<v Speaker 7>Kamala Harris falsely claiming she never said that she would

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<v Speaker 7>she said she would never ban fracking. She's clearly on

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<v Speaker 7>camera seeing multiple times in the past she was banned fracking.

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<v Speaker 7>But ABC David Murr, they did not fact check that,

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<v Speaker 7>but they fact checked Trump. Second one, Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>May have stopped you on that, real quick stop you

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<v Speaker 1>on that because no criticism of you. You're using the term.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody does fact check. But I just want to make

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<v Speaker 1>the point that what is being labeled fact checking quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote by ABC is actually election interference. It's ABC participating

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<v Speaker 1>in the debate. When they did their quote fact checks,

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<v Speaker 1>they were actually jumping into the ring and debating Trump themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So go ahead, my friend.

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<v Speaker 7>Well that's a really good point, Dan, And as Ryan

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<v Speaker 7>pointed out earlier, if they're going to do it for

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<v Speaker 7>Kamala or if they're going to do it for Trump,

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<v Speaker 7>they need to do it for Kamala. It needs to

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<v Speaker 7>be unbiased and fair. And they definitely did not do that.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that they fact checked Trump seven times. They

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<v Speaker 7>factored my Brotherma zero times.

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<v Speaker 1>My brother. How old are you, Mike?

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<v Speaker 7>I am twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, So glad of you, So glad you're listening. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>my point. They weren't trying to hide it. These Harris

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<v Speaker 1>staffers who were moderating the debate weren't trying to hide

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<v Speaker 1>their bias. They're proud of it. They wanted the world

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<v Speaker 1>to see it. They are the king and queen of

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<v Speaker 1>their profession today because most of their profession have just

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<v Speaker 1>become political activists. They're heroes. They weren't trying to hide it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. Absolutely, And I think I think that ties into

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<v Speaker 7>you know, Kamala havy ties with you know, upper level executives,

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<v Speaker 7>ABC and whatnot. I mean, that could be speculation. I

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<v Speaker 7>think that's part of it. Another thing, really quick, I

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<v Speaker 7>just wanted to mention when they were talking about Obamacare,

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<v Speaker 7>his presidency without a replacement. And they tried to keep

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<v Speaker 7>bringing up, well, what's your plan, what's your plan? Well

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<v Speaker 7>he's not, you know, he still needs time to make

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<v Speaker 7>up a plan. But I guess the point they were

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<v Speaker 7>trying to point out is, well, they tried to he

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<v Speaker 1>Can we do this, Mike, because you're hitting on such

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<v Speaker 1>an important point even before we get to the policy weeds.

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<v Speaker 1>This is another example of how if President Trump had

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<v Speaker 1>done traditional debate prep, he would have been better, right, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>because then you would have been ready for a relatively

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<v Speaker 1>obscure question. But Mike, that question put a smile on

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<v Speaker 1>my face when I heard it last night, because you

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<v Speaker 1>not going to a question like that unless they thought

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was on track to win the race, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>who sits around the water cooler these days talking about Obamacare.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they know at this point, on the core

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<v Speaker 1>issues in this race that matter to people, Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>on track to win this election.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, exactly, and they know that, you know, all Kamala

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<v Speaker 7>wants to do is improve the Obamacare plan we already

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<v Speaker 7>have in place. They know that she doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 7>make something better. That's why they asked the question because

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<v Speaker 7>they know obviously Trump doesn't have a plan in place,

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<v Speaker 7>because Obamacare is the law of the land right now.

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<v Speaker 7>So it clearly is a bias question in a gotcha

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<v Speaker 7>question in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Oh, I think it was a gotcha Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the call. And again this is where listen, President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump should have been better prepared for the debate. He

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<v Speaker 1>should have done excuse me not getting emotional, it's peanut butter,

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<v Speaker 1>should have done traditional debate prep and with his great mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and he showed a great mind and great presence and

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<v Speaker 1>great temperament in that incredibly challenging scenario multiple times last night.

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<v Speaker 1>If he had done traditional debate prep, then a gotcha

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<v Speaker 1>surprise question like that probably would have anticipated and done

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<v Speaker 1>away with as it was it made him look bad

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<v Speaker 1>that he could just talk about the concept of a plan,

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<v Speaker 1>but that wasn't going to have any long term impact.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he was great on the areas that are

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<v Speaker 1>going to have long term impact. He did a great,

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<v Speaker 1>great job of circling back to the border over and

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<v Speaker 1>over and over again.

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<v Speaker 6>We have millions of people pouring into our country from

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<v Speaker 6>prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums, and

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<v Speaker 6>they're coming in and they're taking jobs that are occupied

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<v Speaker 6>right now by African Americans and Hispanics, and also unions.

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<v Speaker 6>Unions are going to be affected.

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<v Speaker 1>When he went on and on, but he did a

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<v Speaker 1>great job of repeatedly coming back to that. Yeah, very frustrating.

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<v Speaker 1>He missed so many openings, but in the end, keep

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<v Speaker 1>in mind that's not going to hurt him a fraction

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<v Speaker 1>of what a big gaff would have, and there were

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<v Speaker 1>no big gaffes. Scott and Littleton, you're on the Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Kapla Show.

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<v Speaker 8>Welcome, Hi, Dan. I kind of disagree with you. First

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<v Speaker 8>of all, I support TRUMPO vote for him, My wife

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<v Speaker 8>supports him, and I'll vote for him. But I think

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<v Speaker 8>he was disgusting last night and I'll just give you

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<v Speaker 8>three question sures. First of all, he has a real grungey,

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<v Speaker 8>ugly face all night. He has that monotone voice. He's

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<v Speaker 8>a lousy speaker. Really for someone that uh that rich.

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<v Speaker 8>He he really turns off women. My wife got turned

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<v Speaker 8>off several times.

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<v Speaker 1>Why she vote them things?

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<v Speaker 8>They said, Well, because.

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<v Speaker 1>You know Kamala is sure enough, I get it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I interrupted you. So we've got grungey face, lousy speaker,

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<v Speaker 1>what else?

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<v Speaker 8>And and he's not very clever when uh Kamala went

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<v Speaker 8>and started in on you know, some of the Republicans

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<v Speaker 8>that have turned against him, for instance, like McCain. He

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<v Speaker 8>needs to have some good comeback. Can't be that dumb.

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<v Speaker 8>And he kind of come back and said, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>first of all, I'll take her not supporting me as

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<v Speaker 8>a badge of honor. I mean, this lady got voted

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<v Speaker 8>out of Wyoming and her seat in Wyoming actually had

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<v Speaker 8>for many years.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you could do me a favorite, as Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not pausing you because you disagree with me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hoping you come back after the break. We've got to

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<v Speaker 1>hit this hard break. But you're absolutely right. There were

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<v Speaker 1>so many obvious openings for the president last night that

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<v Speaker 1>he missed on balance, though I still believe she did

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<v Speaker 1>not win for the reasons I opened the show with.

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<v Speaker 1>He avoided any major gaps. He did very well in

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<v Speaker 1>certain categories. But to Scott's good point, when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to saying, oh, Dick Cheney's endorsing me, Trump should have

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<v Speaker 1>been very, very prepared to just turn to her and say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, from Trump's perspective, yeah, because you're both warmongers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, just miss so many of those opportunities. All

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<v Speaker 1>I'm suggesting is when we step back and we look

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<v Speaker 1>at this in the scope of did she do what

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<v Speaker 1>she needed to do to change the arc of this race,

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<v Speaker 1>which is our conturor Trump victory? Clearly she didn't, or

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<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't have asked immediately afterwards for the second debate.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on the Dankpla Show.

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<v Speaker 3>And now back to the dan Kapla Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Breaking down last night's event. You can see why I've

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<v Speaker 1>refused to call debate for weeks leading up to it,

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<v Speaker 1>because you could tell it was going to be rigged,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was now no surprise, right, and Trump needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be prepared for that under the circumstances. I think

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways. He did very well, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>missed a lot of opportunities. I wish he would do

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<v Speaker 1>traditional debate prep if he's going to do another one

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<v Speaker 1>of these debates, which I think would be a mistake

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<v Speaker 1>because I think he's our contured victory right now. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that he should do traditional debate prep eight five

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<v Speaker 1>to five for zero five eight two five five text

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<v Speaker 1>d an five seven, seven thirty nine. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>he he was a brilliant at different points during this

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<v Speaker 1>three on one last night. One of the things I

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<v Speaker 1>think he did best and then I'll get back and

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<v Speaker 1>we have great text as well as calls, is the

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<v Speaker 1>way he flipped the J six question. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was one one of his strongest individual moments. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>anything you regret about what you did on that day?

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<v Speaker 6>You just said a thing that isn't covered peacefully and patriotically,

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<v Speaker 6>I said during my speech, not later on, peacefully and patriotically.

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<v Speaker 6>And nobody on the other side was killed. Ashley Babbitt

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<v Speaker 6>was shot by an out of control police officer that

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<v Speaker 6>should have never ever shot her. It's a disgrace, but

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<v Speaker 6>we didn't do this group of people that have been

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<v Speaker 6>treated so badly.

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<v Speaker 1>And here comes the pivot that I thought was so effective.

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<v Speaker 6>I ask, what about all the people that are pouring

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<v Speaker 6>into our country and killing people that she allowed to

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<v Speaker 6>poort in? She was the boatis are? Remember that she

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<v Speaker 6>was the borders are. She doesn't want to be called

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<v Speaker 6>the boordosar because she's embarrassed by the voter efact. She

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<v Speaker 6>said at the beginning, Oh, I'm surprised you're not talking

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<v Speaker 6>about the boarder yet. That's because she knows what a

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<v Speaker 6>bad job they've done. What about those people? What are

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<v Speaker 6>they going to be prosecuted? One of these people from

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<v Speaker 6>countries all over the world, not just South America.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he went on on that. I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was a very very effective pivot because it's a great point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely a great point that goes to something fundamentally

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<v Speaker 1>un American and dangerous to the foundation of this nation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is having a two tier justice system. Different justice

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<v Speaker 1>system if you're a lefty and lefties are in power,

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<v Speaker 1>and then conservatives not that they just don't get the

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<v Speaker 1>same kind of justice. And I'm not defending anything that

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<v Speaker 1>happened on j six, I'm just talking about Trump making

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<v Speaker 1>a very fair point there. Eight five to five for

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<v Speaker 1>zero five A two five five text d an five

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<v Speaker 1>seven seven three nine. If you just joined us, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think Jake Tapper, what he said this afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>confirms my core belief that Kamala Harris did not win

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<v Speaker 1>that debate. And winning means doing what you have to

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<v Speaker 1>do to change the arc of the race. Anything short

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<v Speaker 1>of that, how could that be a win for her?

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<v Speaker 1>And she lost it in the first two minutes and

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<v Speaker 1>then repeated this pattern throughout where she would to answer

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<v Speaker 1>important direct questions. And I think when it comes to jurors,

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<v Speaker 1>which is my world, and I think swing state voters,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the same mentality. I think when you refuse to

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<v Speaker 1>answer a direct question, you lose them.

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<v Speaker 5>Vice President Harris began the debate by punting the first

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<v Speaker 5>question on the economy.

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<v Speaker 7>Do you believe Americans are better off than they were

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<v Speaker 7>four years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>So I was raised as a middle class kid, and

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<v Speaker 2>I am actually the only person on this stage who

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<v Speaker 2>has a plan that is about lifting up the middle

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<v Speaker 2>class and working people of America.

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<v Speaker 5>It went on from there. Despite the economy being the

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<v Speaker 5>number one issue facing the country, the sitting Vice president

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<v Speaker 5>generally reverted to talking points about a few of her

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<v Speaker 5>policy proposals. Even Harris allies today are saying that she

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<v Speaker 5>needs to talk more about what she will do for

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<v Speaker 5>Americans if elected. Senator Bernie Sanders will be here in

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<v Speaker 5>a second.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then he went on on that. See, even

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<v Speaker 1>Jake Tepper in the left are making that point. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why she came out right afterwards, right minutes afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>and offered a second debate. Was taunting Trump to agree

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<v Speaker 1>to second debate. If she really thought she had done

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<v Speaker 1>what she needed to do to change the arc of

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<v Speaker 1>the race, she wouldn't do that, right, But listen, the cabal.

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<v Speaker 1>The cabal is sophisticated, and you can be sure that

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<v Speaker 1>they had legitimately screened focus group members working dials in

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<v Speaker 1>all of the swing states during that debate. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know how dials work, right, So rather than writing down

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<v Speaker 1>notes or being interviewed later, they are real time turning

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<v Speaker 1>dials up or down depending upon how they're reacting to

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<v Speaker 1>what's being said on the screen. And so you can

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<v Speaker 1>be certain that the Harris camp knew second by second

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<v Speaker 1>as it moved through this event whether they were accomplishing

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<v Speaker 1>what they needed to in the debate, and they clearly

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<v Speaker 1>saw that they were not. That's why they offered the

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<v Speaker 1>second one. That's why I think he'd be crazy to

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<v Speaker 1>agree to a second debate. I know I have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of very kind Texters asking whether I think he

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<v Speaker 1>should agree to a second debate. If I'm right and

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<v Speaker 1>he's tracking toward victory right now, then there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>he should agree to a second event like this in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, even if it's on Fox. But I'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to get your take. It's all about winning, right, It's

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<v Speaker 1>all about saving the country by winning, So why would

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<v Speaker 1>you take that chance if you're tracking toward victory here?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's clearly why she wants another one.

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<v Speaker 3>Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>We may not agree with how the fact checking and

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<v Speaker 1>mattering went, but it's not Harris's fault, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>you should stop blaming her. But I'm not blaming Harris

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<v Speaker 1>for ABC deciding to rig this event, engage in election

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<v Speaker 1>interference and disgrace journalism. I'm not blaming Harris for that.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying is it's going to hurt Harris because

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<v Speaker 1>they created a situation where she had the best night

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<v Speaker 1>possible because she was thoroughly protected. And if the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>don't move dramatically in her favor. Right now, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>clear message America ain't buying what she's selling.
