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True Murder with your host, 34 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:47.599 journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 35 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:50.120 Good evening, This is your host Dan Zupanski for the 36 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:53.000 program True Murder, The most shocking Killers in true crime 37 00:01:53.120 --> 00:02:03.159 History and the authors that have written about them. By 38 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:06.879 the time Richard Trenton Chase graduated high school, everyone knew 39 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:10.039 he was strange, but no one had any idea how 40 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:13.639 bizarre he had become or what dark impulses were flowing 41 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:17.639 through his troubled brain. The transformation from the outwardly strange 42 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:21.680 young man to the diabolical killer he ultimately became was 43 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:26.159 gradual and would not become known until it was too late. First, 44 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.199 it was the killing of small animals and birds and 45 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:31.719 the drinking of their blood. However, when these sacrifices failed 46 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:34.960 to satiate his needs, Richard Chase would seek out the 47 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:38.719 highest form of life, and the city of Sacramento, California, 48 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:42.719 would react in horror to the hideous murders and mutilations 49 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.719 committed by his hand. For those living in the quiet 50 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:49.439 neighborhoods where the murders occurred, it was nothing less than 51 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:54.280 a time of terror until the fiend was captured. Vampire 52 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:57.719 the Richard Chase Murders, including twenty three photos, is an 53 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.280 in depth look into the life and disturbed mind kind 54 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:03.360 of a killer, his family, and his many victims. The 55 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:06.080 living as well as the dead, discover what it was 56 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:08.319 like for the police and what a difficult job they had. 57 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.479 Finding a killer they knew wouldn't stop until he was 58 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:14.520 apprehended was a race against time and a series of 59 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:18.520 murders that would stun even the most hardened investigators. It 60 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:22.840 is the story of a city under siege, held captive 61 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:26.120 by the man whose appetite for blood could not be satisfied. 62 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:29.759 The book that we're featuring this evening is Vampire the 63 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:33.560 Richard Chase Murders with my special guest journalist and author, 64 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:37.520 Kevin M. Sullivan. Welcome back to the program and thank 65 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:41.360 you for agreeing to this interview. Kevin M. Sullivan. 66 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:44.639 Oh, thanks, Dan it's great to be back with you. 67 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:48.159 Well, thank you very much for agreeing to this interview. 68 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:52.319 This is for those who have not heard of Richard Chase. 69 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:56.520 This will be a program they won't soon forget. That's 70 00:03:56.560 --> 00:04:03.319 certain now, yes, And like I said just before we 71 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:05.719 went on the air, I said, for those that have 72 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:09.000 feint of heart even for this program, which is the 73 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:11.680 most shocking killers in true crime history, this is one 74 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.800 of the more shocking programs. When I ask you for 75 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:18.519 some details, and the details are obviously very important to 76 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:22.639 this story, and those details are very, very very graphic. 77 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:25.519 Let's start off right now with. 78 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:30.079 Tell us. 79 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:32.319 I think the best way to do this is to 80 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:36.079 tell us about the early life of Richard Chase. Tell Us, 81 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:38.759 let's go back as far as you found out from 82 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:42.279 all your information and what you've provided in your book Vampire, 83 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:47.800 and tell us about the early life of Richard Chase. 84 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.360 Where he grew up, what was he like, what was 85 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:53.160 his parents, what was his early life really like. 86 00:04:55.079 --> 00:05:02.519 Richard Chase was born on Night twenty, nineteen fifty in Sacramento, California. 87 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:06.079 You know, the nineteen fifties were a time of prosperity, 88 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:10.959 our country having gone through the Second World War by 89 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.120 the prosperity. But I say in the book that you know, 90 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:20.800 even though it was a time of prosperity, every family 91 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:24.319 is different, like every individual is different. And the Chase, 92 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:29.399 the home in which Richard Chase grew up in was 93 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:35.079 in many ways standard for a lot of families, but 94 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:38.120 it also came with a lot of negatives. His mother, 95 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:43.399 and I believe she's deceased now. She and her husband, 96 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:51.279 Beatrice Chase and Richard were married and nine months later, 97 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:54.639 you know, Richard was born and he was the first 98 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:58.000 child to be born in his family. And it appears 99 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:04.519 that the family had problems almost from the beginning, that 100 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:08.199 is the relationship between Beatrice and Richard. 101 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:09.480 And. 102 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:15.160 It was not a smooth time for that family. And 103 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.480 several years later I would have to check my book, 104 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:25.439 but his sister, Pamela was born and she I think 105 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:29.199 is the only surviving member of the family. But it 106 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:32.879 was a time where there was a good deal of 107 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:38.759 strife between the parents, with the addition of some mental 108 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:43.959 problems on the part of Richard's mother, and she had 109 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:48.319 been a school teacher. But I go into this relationship 110 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:53.879 in depth. As far as his early years, he had 111 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:57.879 to contend with some things in the home that weren't pleasant. 112 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.839 But if you looked at Richard from the time he 113 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:07.079 was a little boy on up until say high school, 114 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.759 much of what you would see was pretty normal. He 115 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:13.839 would play Little League, and he was a Cub scout, 116 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:18.040 and he had friends. Now when he reached high school, 117 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:22.360 he began to change a little bit. And it's interesting 118 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:32.160 because sometimes people that become psychotic later on or mentally disturbed, 119 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:36.160 sometimes that does not occur until they are up in 120 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:40.720 their late teens and early twenties. And so there is 121 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:45.480 a question as to what would have happened to Richard 122 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:49.000 had he not gotten into drugs when he was in 123 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:54.759 high school, which of course added to whatever mental impairment 124 00:07:54.920 --> 00:08:00.639 or illness that he had. But he may have gone 125 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:04.399 the way of mental illness anyway within his makeup that 126 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:08.000 it wouldn't necessarily be just the drugs. But I think 127 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:13.759 the addition of the drugs helped him become quite strange 128 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:19.680 when he was in high school. And I'm sorry, what 129 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.279 kind of excuse me. 130 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:25.319 What kind of drugs are we talking about? Specifically? And 131 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:30.560 from his you said, relatively normal behavior despite some problems 132 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:33.080 in the family, But again a lot of people have 133 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:36.559 a lot of problems, rocky marriages, A lot of people 134 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.559 have gone through that. What was the one thing that 135 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.639 seemed to be in terms of his behavior that seemed 136 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:47.320 to be a shift from normalcy to this odd, more 137 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:50.480 strange behavior. And what kind of drugs was he doing 138 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.159 that you say was probably not helping or maybe even 139 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.080 been a catalyst for his mental illness. Tell us about that. 140 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:01.360 Yeah, I think the catalyst was probably the LSD that 141 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.120 he was on. He's listed as having, of course, most marijuana, 142 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:08.320 which that did not do what that would not have 143 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:12.519 contributed so much to any kind of mental disorder, but 144 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:16.080 the LSD certainly would have. And then he was also 145 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:24.879 on amphetamines. But some things that were in his childhood 146 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:27.720 that even though he appeared normal, like, for instance, I 147 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:31.080 thought this was interesting, he was force fed once by 148 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.279 his father when he was two, and then he bombed 149 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:40.240 up all the food. And Pamela Chase and I didn't 150 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:42.960 get the interview her. I couldn't locate her. But most 151 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:47.200 everything I'm getting is from the record of their home 152 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:50.559 life and the testimony that they had given to the authorities. 153 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:56.320 But you know, the father was a really strict disciplinarian 154 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:01.159 and so they wouldn't but have so much when Richard 155 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:04.639 was young, although there could have been some heavy handed 156 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:08.320 things going on. Uh, like I say, at the force feeding, 157 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:11.559 and I think he threw when when Richard was eleven, 158 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:14.919 the dad got very angry with him and maybe threw 159 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:18.919 him up against the wall. Uh. And in fact that 160 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:21.120 did happen. I think that was in connection with him 161 00:10:21.159 --> 00:10:25.519 accidentally uh losing the car key. So these Maine impressions 162 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.759 on Richard. I don't know how comfortable he was being 163 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:32.639 a child in that home frankly, but like this is 164 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:35.519 just going to be a part of it. There's there's 165 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:38.399 probably things. It's like with Bundy, We're just never going 166 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:42.840 to know about why he went this way. And and really, uh, 167 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:46.200 the drugs in the LSD. There was a member in 168 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.320 my family, my brother, he got into drugs in the 169 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.679 nineteen sixties and uh, you know he was kind I 170 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.799 know this stuff firstthand and he he he became very 171 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:01.720 mentally unbalanced and uh he was diagnosed later as a 172 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:06.960 paranoid schizophrenic. And this is all connected with his makeup 173 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:10.120 as well as his drug use in the late nineteen 174 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:13.360 sixties and early nineteen seventies, but he never turned violent. 175 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:15.759 So see, this is the aspect of Chase that we're 176 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:19.879 looking at mental impairment and mental illness, and yet he 177 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:23.399 went down the way of being a very diabolical individual. 178 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:27.039 But we'll get in more to that later about how 179 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:31.879 this is an offshoot and why this mental illness that 180 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:36.759 he had drove him in that area. But there is 181 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:40.879 another factor to that. In high school, you know, he 182 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:45.159 was normal inasmuch as he was a heterosexual and he 183 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:49.399 wanted a normal relationship with a girl, but he couldn't 184 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:54.080 perform sexually. He was impotent, and he had a hard 185 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:58.000 time sustaining in erection, and of course this bothered him 186 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.440 and the girls that he dated. Girls, they didn't dump 187 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.639 him right away over it, but they eventually did. And 188 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:11.720 I say in the book that whatever else, inferiority and 189 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.960 insecurity and so all of that became even more heightened 190 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.240 during his high school years. I think he had I 191 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.679 just check the book. But his first arrest for marijuana, 192 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.559 I think that happened in I think in nineteen sixty nine, 193 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:30.399 so he would be nineteen. He would have just been 194 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:32.519 out of school. That was his first arrest. And I 195 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:34.240 got a picture of the mup shot in the book 196 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:38.360 is he's very young there, but it was very Again, 197 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:41.080 it's going to be it's going to be the drugs, 198 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.360 it's going to be his makeup. It's just there's going 199 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.279 to be some things that when you look at his 200 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.080 life you'll see where all of this played apart. And 201 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:53.919 yet even going down the road of mental illness, and 202 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:59.600 I don't mean legal insanity. He was legally sane when 203 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:02.840 he commit these murders with question, but he was also 204 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:08.360 mentally imbalanced, very heavily mentally ill. He was just he 205 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:10.279 was a very very strange individual. 206 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:17.240 Now you're you're talking about high school, and again we 207 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:20.879 we just kind of glossed over what what behavior now 208 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:26.440 in retrospect was he doing and even people knew again 209 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.159 not not after the fact, after the trial, after the 210 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.159 the incidents, the murders, but what was he doing? And 211 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:39.000 then I'm referring to obviously with the animals, what was 212 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.159 he doing with animals at this at an early age 213 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:45.519 that you know, again it's almost text well it's not almost, 214 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:48.519 it's textbook in term of when we talk about profiling, 215 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:51.320 so you know, tell us about that, what. 216 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:55.159 Was he doing with animals. Well, okay, it's uh, the 217 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.240 the the He was convinced, see this is see, this 218 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.639 is the funny thing. Although he was legally saying, you know, 219 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:07.279 normal society would look at a guy like this like, well, 220 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:12.279 he's just gone off his rocker, he's nuts. Chase developed 221 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.519 a strong sense of that there was something wrong with 222 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:23.200 him and that he needed blood to sustain his life, 223 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:28.759 and the killing of animals, you know, small animals, birds, 224 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:34.120 and the drinking of their blood without question. He did 225 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:38.559 this because he thought he needed it. And you know, 226 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:40.840 he would say strange things. Now, this would be a little, 227 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.200 this will be a little later on. When the strangers 228 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:46.360 first started to appear with him, it was in his 229 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:49.279 high school years as he went down the way of drugs. 230 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:52.279 But once he got out of high school, he became 231 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:58.799 really People knew that he was strange, he was mentally unbalanced. 232 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.120 He wasn't killing an yet, he wasn't killing animals that early, 233 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:06.240 but as things progressed, it when from small animals and 234 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:11.000 then he started killing dogs and dogs became a big 235 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:14.919 And it wasn't just killing the dogs or drinking their blood, 236 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:18.759 but he would eat portions of the dogs as well. 237 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:27.559 Now he believed that. He told somebody once he said, 238 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:30.720 you know, when these things started coming to the surface, 239 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.960 that he believed someone had stolen his pulmonary artery, that 240 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:40.720 his heart, though these were in his mind legitimate physical 241 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:44.360 things that were going on. This is the difference between 242 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:48.639 like Richard Chase and for instance, Ted Bundy. T they're 243 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:52.679 both diabolical killers. But you couldn't look at Ted Bundy 244 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:55.320 and say he's crazy or he's nuts. But it's easy 245 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:57.440 to look at a guy like Richard Chase and say, well, 246 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:00.639 he's crazy. He's crazy. People don't say things like that. 247 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:06.759 So you had a lot of very strong paranoia emotions. 248 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:12.080 He was eventually diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, although there 249 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.759 were some that didn't agree with that. Without question, he 250 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:20.120 was deeply mentally ill. But he again, as we get 251 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:23.039 into the story more, when he got into the murders, 252 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:27.279 he was he proved by the actions that he took 253 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.360 that he was trying to conceal what he was doing, 254 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:36.000 which taught to planning and awareness of what society believed 255 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:38.080 what was right or wrong, and that murder was wrong. 256 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:41.159 So but he was a very very very demented individual. 257 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:43.159 Right. 258 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.320 But this is one of those cases where it's the 259 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:50.960 very again people you can say, well, that's not legally insane, 260 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:53.080 so when you say he's crazy, but those these are 261 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:56.080 the kinds of murders that are so senseless and over 262 00:16:56.120 --> 00:17:01.320 the top and vicious and humiliating and stuff out of 263 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:06.440 fiction right now. So, so what does he what's his 264 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:11.160 life you're pointing, you're alluding to that his strange behavior 265 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:14.079 becomes a bit of a loner, uh, to say the least. 266 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:15.920 What's his contact with his family? 267 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:16.039 Is? 268 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:18.319 He's still living with his family? Tell us what happens 269 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:20.720 after high school? Where does he go to his any 270 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.279 career plans? What what happens with his life? 271 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:28.720 Well, he he enrolls at American River College in Sacramento, 272 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:34.480 and he's by that time, you know, he's he's pretty 273 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:38.359 well mentally impaired. His grades are not that great. He 274 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:42.480 drags his schooling out. He is still living at home. 275 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:49.519 But after a while he uh he met some folks 276 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.519 out Uh they saw him sitting on his long one 277 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:57.000 day and these uh, these folks were renting some rooms 278 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:59.279 in the house. They got to talking with him and 279 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:02.240 they made him a mate. But you know, I see 280 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:05.519 in the book because Chase was not drooling and babbling 281 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:08.240 or whatever they thought he might make, you know, just 282 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:11.759 he seemed for the few minutes that they talked fairly normal. 283 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:16.920 Once he got inside with them, and his father helped him, uh, 284 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:20.160 you know, with with you know, the rent. 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And one time they 360 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:19.160 got in a fist fight in the front yard, and 361 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:22.759 and so he became very very hard to deal with. 362 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:28.680 And when on the one occasion when Richard hit his mother, 363 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:31.599 she called the police and he left. He took off 364 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:34.640 front and of course the officers came and they said, well, 365 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.240 you know, we'll be happy to arrest your son, but 366 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:40.440 you're gonna have to uh, she's you know, because they 367 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:42.640 didn't witness it. They said you have to take a 368 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:45.200 warrant out for his arrest. So she didn't want to 369 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:49.079 do that, so she called the Aquarium Effort, which is 370 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:52.519 a place out there for where people can seek help 371 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.880 for mental problems, so on and so forth, and so 372 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:00.839 that pushed him into a road of going down that way, 373 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:07.880 and Richard Chase became very interested. He wasn't opposed to 374 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:12.759 seeing doctors because he really, really really believed that these 375 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:16.119 strange things that his heart was stopping, that pulmonary artery 376 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:19.079 was stolen, bones were growing out through the back of 377 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:21.559 his head. And of course he'd get in there with 378 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:24.440 these doctors and they would, you know, they would write 379 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.400 their reports. I've been through all the reports. A lot 380 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:29.960 of them are reproduced in the book, and you know, 381 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:34.160 they just you know, he's diagnosed his PARENTO, he's schizophrentic, this, that, 382 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:39.000 and so you know, he was willing to go down 383 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:43.839 that road. Now. For a while, before these murders occurred, 384 00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:51.799 they had gotten Chase on some medication which was actually 385 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.359 helping him. And in a case like that, they are 386 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:58.359 these drugs are designed they can't it's not that they 387 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:01.599 no longer are schitzophrak or whatever it is, but it 388 00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:05.240 can keep some of these things in checked to where 389 00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:11.000 the improvement could be considered guarded, but that it could happen. 390 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:15.599 And in Chase's case, there was improvement for a while. 391 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:19.079 His mother said it was for two years. I don't 392 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:22.200 see that in the record. It's not there. His father 393 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:25.240 said it wasn't two years. But the funny thing about 394 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:30.640 it was is that the family was so burdened because, 395 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:33.480 as I say in the book, everybody in the family 396 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:38.440 of a menally old person pays a price. They suffer 397 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:42.000 along with it a lot of demands from those folks, 398 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:45.319 and there's a lot of heartache and things like that. 399 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:48.319 So there's a lot of grieving that goes with that, 400 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.200 and there's financial concerns that people can't work. There's a 401 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:54.640