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<v Speaker 1>We have an active shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>We have an acre Shooting's go ahead of the quay

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<v Speaker 2>with a mass casualty.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Active Shooter, a podcast that covers the whys,

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<v Speaker 1>the hows, and the aftermath of active shooter and mass

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<v Speaker 1>casualty events. I have an active shooter and a building

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<v Speaker 1>a teching call. That's our big attack of the shots.

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<v Speaker 1>We got chuck fire at four fifteen as broaching ninety one,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'd like, oh, I'm at a fire, active shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's of an active shooter, active shooter, active shooter.

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<v Speaker 1>And mass casualty incidents. Thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Active Shooter, a podcast that may

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<v Speaker 2>contain adult themes, explicit language, and graphic depictions of violence.

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<v Speaker 2>Portions of this show may be traumatic for those under eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>His ay, it's Carlos A. Mesco was among the first

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<v Speaker 1>reporters on the scene. He's been providing live reports for

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<v Speaker 1>the past five and one half hours. We go to

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<v Speaker 1>him now for his report on what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos Marty.

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<v Speaker 1>As we arrived shortly after the incident began, the scene

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<v Speaker 1>was one of absolute confusion. Shots were ringing, out the

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<v Speaker 1>nightmare was unfolding. Make sure you approach you from the

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<v Speaker 1>south and the CP is at three hundred West.

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<v Speaker 2>The shooting suspect is the inside of the McDonald He

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<v Speaker 2>is contained moving around in there, still suing fired.

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<v Speaker 1>The shooting at Sammy s Drew McDonald's was the deadliest

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<v Speaker 1>shooting at the time and remain so until the shooting

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<v Speaker 1>at Luby's Cafe, which we covered in episode number eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and it remains the deadliest shooting in California's history. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a highly traumatizing attack that survivors continue to grapple

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<v Speaker 1>with to this very day. The shooting recently passed the

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<v Speaker 1>fortieth anniversary, yet it is completely unknown to many and

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<v Speaker 1>transpired during a time where these types of occurrences weren't

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<v Speaker 1>covered incessantly on the news media. Few shooters committed these

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<v Speaker 1>types of crimes for the fame or infamy that followed.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's case is dedicated to the nineteen injured survivors and

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty two deceased victims. Most news accounts of the

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<v Speaker 1>shootings report twenty one deceased victims, but one victim was

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant when she was murdered. It's for this reason that

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<v Speaker 1>we are acknowledging all twenty two Active Shooter. The podcast

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<v Speaker 1>is a High five Holly production, and I'm your host JT.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've listened to our prior episodes, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>the Active Shooter podcast team has taken the no notoriety

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<v Speaker 1>pledge and we will not be sharing the real name

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<v Speaker 1>of the shooters that we cover. We will be giving

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<v Speaker 1>the shooters a pseudonym and refer to them by that

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<v Speaker 1>name throughout the episode. This will help in clearing up

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<v Speaker 1>any confusion in the story while remaining true to our

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<v Speaker 1>pledge and not naming the shooter by their actual name.

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<v Speaker 1>We will refer to today's shooter as How. On Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>July fifteenth, nineteen eighty four, Hal confided to his wife

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<v Speaker 1>that he was worried he was suffering from a mental

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<v Speaker 1>health break of sorts. Whatever conversation or action ensued isn't known.

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<v Speaker 1>Two days later, on Tuesday, July seventeenth, How contacted a

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego mental facility inquiring about help for himself. Hal

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<v Speaker 1>spoke with a receptionist and asked for an appointment. He

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<v Speaker 1>left contact information with the person he spoke with, and

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<v Speaker 1>they responded that someone would contact Hal back within a

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<v Speaker 1>few hours. His wife later reported that Hal sat next

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<v Speaker 1>to the telephone for several hours, waiting and willing the

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<v Speaker 1>phone to ring. It never did. The person How talked

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<v Speaker 1>to would later report that How seemed calm when they spoke,

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<v Speaker 1>and he indicated that he was never hospitalized for mental

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<v Speaker 1>health issues in the past. As a result, the call

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<v Speaker 1>was flagged as a non crisis inquiry, which was to

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<v Speaker 1>be handled within forty eight hours, and not the several

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<v Speaker 1>hours that How believed it would be. After staring blankly

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<v Speaker 1>at the phone for a very long period, Hal got up,

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<v Speaker 1>exasperated and walked out of the house. He hopped atop

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<v Speaker 1>his motorcycle, rolling away. His family had no idea where

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<v Speaker 1>he was going, but eventually he returned and things seemingly improved. Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>July eighteenth, nineteen eighty four, was cloudy most of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>although temperatures varied from the high seventies to the low eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>The days started so normal and typical that the juxtaposition

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<v Speaker 1>of how the day ended defies description. How his wife

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<v Speaker 1>and their kids went to the San Diego Zoo. The

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<v Speaker 1>couple talked about How's breakdown the previous day, and he

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<v Speaker 1>told her that he thought his life was over. He

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<v Speaker 1>was clearly depressed, so they left the zoo, stopping for

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<v Speaker 1>a quick bite at a McDonald's in the Claremont neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>of San Diego. They drove home and after a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>How went into his and his wife's bedroom, where she

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting on the bed. Hal leaned down and kissed her,

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<v Speaker 1>saying that he came in because he wanted to kiss

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<v Speaker 1>her goodbye. She asked where he was going, saying that

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to be preparing dinner soon. He looked

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<v Speaker 1>at his wife and replied that he was quote going hunting,

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<v Speaker 1>hunting for humans. How wore a maroon T shirt and

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<v Speaker 1>camouflage pants and had a gun slung over his shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>He carried a box of ammunition in some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>package that was wrapped in a checkered blanket. Exiting the bedroom,

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<v Speaker 1>How was walking towards the front door when he caught

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<v Speaker 1>sight of his daughter. He looked over and said, goodbye.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't be back. Hal drove a Mercury Marquis carrying

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<v Speaker 1>a nine millimeter Browning HP, a nine millimeter semi automatic

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<v Speaker 1>long barrel Uzi, and a twelve gage Winchester twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pump action shotgun. He was prepared for a one

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<v Speaker 1>man war, and hunting humans is exactly what he was

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<v Speaker 1>prepared to do. McDonald's, situated at five point twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>Sanya Sidro Boulevard, was a busy franchise located in the

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<v Speaker 1>Sanya Sidro neighborhood of San Diego. There were about forty

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<v Speaker 1>five people inside of the restaurant eating. Hal entered and

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<v Speaker 1>walked towards the counter. He was approximately fifteen feet from

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen year old John Arnold, when, without hesitation, he aimed

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<v Speaker 1>and fired, only nothing happened. Thinking this was some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of sick joke, John started retreating back to the ca

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<v Speaker 1>where twenty two year old store manager Neva Cain stood.

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<v Speaker 1>Hal took out the ouzi and shot Neiva, hitting her

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<v Speaker 1>in the face just below the left eye. She passed

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<v Speaker 1>moments later. Hal then shot John, hitting him in the

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<v Speaker 1>arm and chest. For nearly two full hours, John laid motionless,

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<v Speaker 1>pretending to be dead until he could be saved. Initially,

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<v Speaker 1>he thought they were merely being robbed and the shooter

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<v Speaker 1>would leave. John never expected that the place he worked

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<v Speaker 1>and felt pretty safe for the most part, would be

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<v Speaker 1>under attack for nearly two hours. Besides initially hollering for

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<v Speaker 1>everyone to get on the ground, how made many other comments,

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<v Speaker 1>including racist epithets and yelling that he had quote killed

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand and planned to kill quote one thousand more.

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<v Speaker 1>A restaurant patron, twenty five year old Victor Rivera, tried

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<v Speaker 1>to intervene, imploring how not to shoot any anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>His efforts were met with gunshots. Hal repeatedly uttered shut up,

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<v Speaker 1>shut up, as he fired fourteen bullets into Victor. The

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<v Speaker 1>initial nine to one one calls began streaming in only

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<v Speaker 1>minutes after the first shots. Early reports indicated that there

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<v Speaker 1>was a child shot, but the child was raced next

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<v Speaker 1>door to the post office. The dispatcher accidentally sent officers

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<v Speaker 1>to another McDonald's that was about two miles away from

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<v Speaker 1>where the shooting actually was, thereby delaying the police response

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<v Speaker 1>by several crucial minutes. Nearly ten minutes after the first

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<v Speaker 1>nine to one to one call, police finally arrived. Officer

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<v Speaker 1>Miguel Rosario cruised up to the restaurant and was immediately

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<v Speaker 1>fired upon by hol On set for two forty five

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<v Speaker 1>it three reporter was two forty five, shooting a victim

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<v Speaker 1>of small child, a little girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Being taken into the first at the crush from McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 1>At four forty were police locked down the area surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>the McDonald spreading out about six blocks around the restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>In the beginning, police weren't sure how many shooters were inside,

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<v Speaker 1>especially due to the rapid fire from different firearms that

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<v Speaker 1>they could hear. Most of the windows had broken by

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<v Speaker 1>that point, making it actually more difficult to see inside

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<v Speaker 1>because of the way the light hit random shards of glass.

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<v Speaker 1>A command post was set up about two blocks away,

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<v Speaker 1>and overall police response was massive. A one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five law enforcement officers were installed at various strategic locations.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point, an employee from the restaurant was able

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<v Speaker 1>to escape through the back door and managed to communicate

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<v Speaker 1>to police that there was only one shooter. They were

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<v Speaker 1>very well armed and shot with abandon. No one was safe,

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<v Speaker 1>not children or elderly, or men or women. House shot

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<v Speaker 1>anyone and everyone he could. And he was not holding hostages.

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<v Speaker 1>This was not a robbery. This was a madman with

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<v Speaker 1>a purpose, but plenty of determination. I'm taking around tanport.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you? I am a part McDonald shot Stampire

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<v Speaker 1>It was later reported that Hal brought a portable radio

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<v Speaker 1>with him, which he set on the service counter. He

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<v Speaker 1>turned the radio on at one point and fiddled with

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<v Speaker 1>the tuner, seemingly looking for a news report of the shooting. Finally, instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he chose a music station, and inexplicably, he began dancing

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<v Speaker 1>around the store while simultaneously shooting at innocent petrified customers

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<v Speaker 1>and employees. Periodically, How would shout about how he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>deserve to live and how he served time in Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 1>although it was later reported that he hadn't actually ever

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<v Speaker 1>served in any branch of the military. It must have

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<v Speaker 1>been so eerie seeing the psychotic man with several guns

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<v Speaker 1>dancing around the McDonald's, shouting that he didn't deserve to live,

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<v Speaker 1>all while shooting innocent people inside of the restaurant who

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<v Speaker 1>did a little over an hour after the madness ensued,

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<v Speaker 1>police were given authorization to take out the shooter if

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<v Speaker 1>they were able to obtain an unobstructed shot. At approximately

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<v Speaker 1>five seventeen pm, How walked from around the service counter

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<v Speaker 1>towards the front door, entrance, which was near the drive

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<v Speaker 1>through window. Outside, twenty seven year old SWAT team member

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Foster managed to catch a clear sight of how

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<v Speaker 1>firearm poised and ready to shoot. Foster peered into his

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<v Speaker 1>scope and he could see Hal's neck and torso perched

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<v Speaker 1>atop a post office next to the McDonald's, he drew

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<v Speaker 1>a single, deep breath and fired a single round from

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<v Speaker 1>about thirty five yards away. The bullet struck Hal in

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<v Speaker 1>the chest, severing his order just below the heart before

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<v Speaker 1>exiting out through his spine. It was a precisely executed,

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<v Speaker 1>deadly shot. Moments later, a police sergeant entered the restaurant,

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<v Speaker 1>his service weapon raised and pointed towards Hal. He glanced

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<v Speaker 1>over seeing a female shooting victim who was alive, and

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<v Speaker 1>asked her if Hal was the shooter. She simply nodded

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<v Speaker 1>in the affirmative, and with that, seventy seven minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>sheer terror was over. How fired at least two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty seven rounds, that is just over an average

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<v Speaker 1>of three bullets per minute for seventy seven minutes. The

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<v Speaker 1>shooting might have ended, but the trauma of surviving such

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<v Speaker 1>an attack seems nothing short of insurmountable. There were only

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<v Speaker 1>ten patrons inside who were left untouched by gunfire, six

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<v Speaker 1>of which were hiding in the basement of the restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of the injured victims were using McDonald's napkins to

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<v Speaker 1>self treat their injuries. Seventeen people were murdered inside of

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<v Speaker 1>the restaurant, including an unborn child, and four were murdered

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<v Speaker 1>just outside of the restaurant near the entrance. Of the deaths.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirteen were gunshot wounds to the head, seven were gunshot

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<v Speaker 1>wounds to the chest, and one, eight month old, Carlos Reyes,

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<v Speaker 1>was killed by a gunshot wound to his back. The

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<v Speaker 1>scene looked like a war zone, and even the sight

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<v Speaker 1>of it from outside witnesses was highly traumatizing. Twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>year old Paulina Aquino was from Chula Vista, California. A

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen year old Elsa Borboa was from Sandy Sidro and

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<v Speaker 1>before she was killed. Maria Alna Colmenero Silva was an

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old eleventh grader. She was at McDonald's because

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<v Speaker 1>year old David Flores was a great student from Sandy

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<v Speaker 1>Seidro who loved to play sports. He was at McDonald's

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<v Speaker 1>Omar was also murdered along with his best friend. Eleven

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<v Speaker 1>year old Omar Hernandez was fluent in both English and

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<v Speaker 1>one year old Blythe Reagan Herrera was a housewife from Orange, California.

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<v Speaker 1>Her husband and son's friend were injured but survived. Her son, Matteo,

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<v Speaker 1>old Gloria Lopez Gonzalez was born on October eleventh, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty one, and was from Rosato, Mexico. Jose Rubin Losano

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<v Speaker 1>The nineteen year old was buried in Tijuana, Mexico. Nine

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<v Speaker 1>year old Claudia Perez was from Sandy Sidro and had

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<v Speaker 1>loved all sports, but most especially softball. Claudia was a happy,

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<v Speaker 1>yet quiet young girl that was incredibly close to her

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen year old sister, who was also shot but survived.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighteen year old Jackie Wright Reyes was a housewife from

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<v Speaker 1>and a brother. Her little boy, Carlos was with her

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and her unborn child was also killed.

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<v Speaker 1>Nearly an entire family was taken from this world in

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<v Speaker 1>in Chula Vista. The infant was buried with his mother

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<v Speaker 1>and unborn sibling at La Vista Memorial Park. Twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>year old Victor Maximilian Rivera was born in Mexico but

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<v Speaker 1>when he was four. The young man loved playing softball

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<v Speaker 1>and was at McDonald's with his wife and two daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>who each survived the shooting. Margherita Padilla was from San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego and a recent Sweetwater High School graduate who absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>loved children. The eighteen year old was planning to attend

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<v Speaker 1>Southwest College in the fall. Forty six year old Hugo

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<v Speaker 1>l of Alasquez was from Mexico City and was serving

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<v Speaker 1>as the supervisor of provincial banks for Banamex when he

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<v Speaker 1>Tijuana District Banks. Aida Velasquez Victoria was a sixty nine

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fourteen, in Tijuana, Mexico. Seventy four year old Miguel

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<v Speaker 1>Uloa Victoria was born on November sixteenth, nineteen o nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was from Tijuana. He was married to Aida,

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<v Speaker 1>who was also murdered, and the one comfort is that

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<v Speaker 1>they were together, clutching on to each other into eternity.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty one year old arist Delci Vuelvas Vargas was from Tijuana.

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<v Speaker 1>He survived the shooting for about twenty four hours after

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<v Speaker 1>thus likely saving another life despite their own devastating loss.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Dianne Carncross was born in Orange County, California, on

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<v Speaker 1>April second, nineteen sixty six. She was buried at Magnolia

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<v Speaker 1>Memorial Park in Garden Grove, California. Forty one year old

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<v Speaker 1>Hal was born on October eleventh, nineteen forty two, in Canton, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>the second of two children. His father was a quality

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<v Speaker 1>inspector and his mother was a homemaker. Howe's folks were

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<v Speaker 1>the local Methodist church. When he was three, Hal contracted polio,

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<v Speaker 1>which caused him to have to wear steel and leather

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<v Speaker 1>braces on each leg. While he eventually made a full recovery,

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<v Speaker 1>How walked a slighth limp for the remainder of his life,

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<v Speaker 1>a constant reminder of his childhood illness. In nineteen fifty,

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<v Speaker 1>How's father purchased a one hundred and fifty five acre

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<v Speaker 1>farm in Mount Eaton, Ohio, which is an extremely rural

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<v Speaker 1>How's mother was incensed that her husband would make such

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<v Speaker 1>she eventually abandoned her family altogether. She moved to Tucson, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>where she performed sidewalk preaching as a Pentecostal missionary. As

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine, How was very negatively impacted by his

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't understand how or why she would leave him.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a time when How's father reported that he

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<v Speaker 1>found How near the chicken coop sobbing hysterically. While his

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<v Speaker 1>father eventually remarried, How really wasn't the same after she left.

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<v Speaker 1>How wasn't known to have many friends, and indeed, during

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<v Speaker 1>those times, he likely was outcast due to his own

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<v Speaker 1>health issues, and his behavior was described as sullen. During

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<v Speaker 1>the seventh grade, How was the only boy who didn't

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<v Speaker 1>play for the school's football team, which was clearly due

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<v Speaker 1>to his illness, but it was yet one more thing

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<v Speaker 1>to cause the other children to view him as different.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was in high school at Waynedale High, How

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<v Speaker 1>was bullied and teased on a near daily basis. He

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<v Speaker 1>religious beliefs, and his lack of interest in sports, friends,

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<v Speaker 1>or anything that other high schoolers of that era did.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the only real interest Hal seemed to have

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<v Speaker 1>was in target shooting. He loved target practice and it

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<v Speaker 1>was the only thing that seemed to bring him joy.

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<v Speaker 1>A family friend later said that Hal was a strange

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<v Speaker 1>boy who could always be found practicing target shooting. When

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<v Speaker 1>he was a teen, Hall was already something of a

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<v Speaker 1>He graduated high school in nineteen sixty fifty first out

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<v Speaker 1>of the seventy seven students in his class. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two, Hal enrolled at Malone College intending to study sociology,

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<v Speaker 1>but he changed course and enrolled at Pittsburgh Institute of

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<v Speaker 1>Mortuary Science. How excelled there and graduated in nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>four with honors, earning himself a funeral director's license. The

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<v Speaker 1>following year, he obtained an embalmer's license. How met a

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<v Speaker 1>woman while he was attending classes at Malone College, and

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<v Speaker 1>the two began dating. They married in nineteen sixty five,

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<v Speaker 1>and not long after, Hal landed a job with a

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<v Speaker 1>Hal didn't interact well with others. He was an introvert,

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<v Speaker 1>which isn't a bad thing in and of itself, but

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<v Speaker 1>Hal was very quiet and he really didn't like other people.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an excellent embalmer, but he was a terrible director.

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<v Speaker 1>As such, He encountered many meetings with his supervisor, meetings

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<v Speaker 1>that weren't positive and never went well for Hal. He

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<v Speaker 1>stuck it out for about two years before quitting and

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<v Speaker 1>choosing a whole other profession entirely. He became a welder

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<v Speaker 1>working for a local company before being hired by another

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<v Speaker 1>company for a higher wage in June of nineteen sixty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Though his personality wasn't friendly, Hal was a good worker, reliable,

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<v Speaker 1>and always working over time when asked. He earned several

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<v Speaker 1>promotions and made about twenty five to thirty thousand dollars annually,

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<v Speaker 1>which is about the equivalent of one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 1>two to one hundred and seventy thousand dollars annually in

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<v Speaker 1>today's world. In other words, he was financially successful. Hal

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<v Speaker 1>and his wife moved to a beautiful, threat three story

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<v Speaker 1>his wife moved to a beautiful three story home in

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed by a fire on February first, nineteen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 1>The fire originated in the ductwork of the kitchen stove,

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<v Speaker 1>and it quickly spread. The couple loved the neighborhood so

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same street. Hal enjoyed privacy buying a home

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<v Speaker 1>that sat behind several very large trees. He installed heavy

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<v Speaker 1>drapes on all of his windows and kept them shut,

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<v Speaker 1>and even implemented a triple lock system on each of

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<v Speaker 1>the heavy doors that went in and out of his home.

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<v Speaker 1>The couple continued their success by later purchasing and renting

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<v Speaker 1>out an entire complex of apartments. They managed the building,

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<v Speaker 1>which seemed to do very well for them. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two and nineteen seventy four, each of their two

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<v Speaker 1>everything going for him, but there was a dark side

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<v Speaker 1>to hal. He had numerous domestic violence incidents with his

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<v Speaker 1>family and was known to punch, slap, and threaten his

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<v Speaker 1>daughters by holding a knife to their throat. The abuse

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<v Speaker 1>was not limited to the children. He often hurt his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and one such incident caused her to file a police

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<v Speaker 1>report with the Canton Police and Children and Family Services,

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that how injured her jaw. She reported later that

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<v Speaker 1>he only hit her once. We urged listeners not to

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<v Speaker 1>blame her or question why she wouldn't just leave. Domestic

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<v Speaker 1>abuse is a systematic breakdown of a person, and abusers

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<v Speaker 1>typically gained power over their victims by means of controlling finances,

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<v Speaker 1>the children, the home, everything, leaving victims and survivors with

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<v Speaker 1>She tried her best to never agitate him or make

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<v Speaker 1>him angry. Brilliantly, she managed to convince How that she

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<v Speaker 1>could tell his future by reading tarot cards, and somehow

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<v Speaker 1>this seemed to calm Hell enough to follow her advice.

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<v Speaker 1>How's criminal behavior was not limited to assaults against his family.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty, he was arrested her disorderly conduct, which

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<v Speaker 1>coincidentally is the only actual conviction on his criminal record,

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<v Speaker 1>despite his abhorrent behavior. The incident involved in argument with

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty and was eventually found guilty in order to

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<v Speaker 1>How was laid off from his job, causing him to

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<v Speaker 1>ability to provide for his family. His fear manifested an

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<v Speaker 1>and indeed, in nineteen eighty three, he took a loaded

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<v Speaker 1>His wife was able to talk him out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>mental health treatment at this point. That same year, the

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<v Speaker 1>where How believed that the money from the apartment building

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<v Speaker 1>October of nineteen eighty three, the family picked up and

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<v Speaker 1>moved as planned. The majority of their belongings were left

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<v Speaker 1>in storage back in Ohio, most everything except How's firearms,

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<v Speaker 1>AMMO and survival gear. They lasted all of three months

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<v Speaker 1>in Tijuana. How wasn't able to find a job. They

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<v Speaker 1>were all miserable and How deeply regretted his decision to

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<v Speaker 1>move there. They moved back to the States, but this

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<v Speaker 1>time they stayed on the West Coast and moved just

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<v Speaker 1>across the border to the Sanya Sigro neighborhood of San Diego.

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<v Speaker 1>At that time, Sanya Sidro was a mostly poverty stricken

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<v Speaker 1>district of San Diego, with a population in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>four of about thirteen thousand residents. The family rented a

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<v Speaker 1>small apartment in the Cottonwood Apartments while Hal searched for employment.

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<v Speaker 1>Neighbors at the apartment say that How was overtly rude

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<v Speaker 1>to them and he didn't make a great impression. Halle

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<v Speaker 1>responded to a newspaper advertisement that offered a security guard

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<v Speaker 1>training course through a federally funded program. He completed the

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<v Speaker 1>course on April twelfth, nineteen eighty four, and was immediately

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<v Speaker 1>offered a job with a security firm out of Chula Vista,

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<v Speaker 1>which he accepted, and he was assigned to a condominium complex.

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<v Speaker 1>How worked hard enough that he was able to afford

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<v Speaker 1>to have the family's belonging ship from Ohio. They moved

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<v Speaker 1>once more to another apartment, a two bedroom on April Road.

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<v Speaker 1>A week before the shooting on January tenth, Hall was

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<v Speaker 1>fired from the security guard job due to poor work

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<v Speaker 1>performance and physical instability. Those who knew how describe him

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<v Speaker 1>as irrasable and almost paranoid. He was seemingly obsessed with

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<v Speaker 1>guns and was a self described survivalist. He leaned towards

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories, believing that there would be an escalation of

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<v Speaker 1>the Cold War and that the presidents Carter and Reagan,

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<v Speaker 1>and the United States government were secretly conspiring against him.

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<v Speaker 1>The reality was he was indeed a conspiracy theorist as

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<v Speaker 1>well as what we'd call in modern times a prepper.

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<v Speaker 1>He stocked his house with non perishable foods and stockpiled

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<v Speaker 1>guns and other weapons, genuinely believing that the apocalypse was imminent.

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<v Speaker 1>Hall owned so many firearms that one person claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>no matter where house stood or sat in the home,

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<v Speaker 1>he was within arm's reach of a gun, a gun

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<v Speaker 1>that was loaded with the safety off. There is little

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<v Speaker 1>else known about his wife and daughters after the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>Following the shooting, McDonald's temporarily suspended all radio and TV

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<v Speaker 1>advertisements in a show of solidarity. Burger King also temporarily

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<v Speaker 1>pulled all advertising. Within only two days, of the shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>McDonald's was completely renovated and redecorated. However, on July twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>community leaders and executives with the McDonald's Corporation made the

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<v Speaker 1>difficult decision that the store would be completely demolished and

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<v Speaker 1>a new one rebuilt at another location. McDonald's rebuilt their

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<v Speaker 1>new restaurant two blocks from the original location. On September

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixth, the closed restaurant was officially torn down. McDonald's

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<v Speaker 1>donated the property to the City of San ya Sidro,

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<v Speaker 1>with the only stipulation being that no other restaurant be

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to be constructed on the site. The property was

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<v Speaker 1>eventually sold to Southwestern College in February of nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>eight for one hundred and thirty six thousand dollars. The

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<v Speaker 1>purchase agreement included a clause that a three hundred square

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<v Speaker 1>foot area would be set aside as a permit memorial

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<v Speaker 1>to the twenty one shooting victims. The memorial site was

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<v Speaker 1>unveiled in nineteen ninety and it's made up of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one hexagonal pillars made of white marble, and each bore

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<v Speaker 1>the name of a shooting victim. Over time, however, the

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<v Speaker 1>memorial has become surrounded by the new School, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't know what the memorial was specifically for, or

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<v Speaker 1>didn't take the time to stop and read the plaque,

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<v Speaker 1>you might mistake the memorial as something different entirely. A

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<v Speaker 1>documentary directed by Charlie Minn called seventy seven Minutes was

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<v Speaker 1>filmed in twenty sixteen and offers in depth insight about

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting and includes interviews with several of the survivors.

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<v Speaker 1>We encourage our listeners to watch. The documentary can be

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<v Speaker 1>found and streamed on most streaming services. You see, we

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<v Speaker 1>all have the unique ability to help prevent such a

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<v Speaker 1>catastrophic event from happening if we keep our eyes and

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<v Speaker 1>ears open and never hesitate to report when something or

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<v Speaker 1>someone just doesn't seem right. With the delicate balance of

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<v Speaker 1>mental health reform, education, active shooter training, and common sense

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<v Speaker 1>gun laws, we may one day realize the dream, the

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<v Speaker 1>dream that there will be no more active shootings. We

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<v Speaker 1>pray that love will prevail over hate. Too many have died,

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<v Speaker 1>we should say to ourselves, not one more. In the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>we urge our listeners to stay aware of your surroundings

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<v Speaker 1>and keep in touch with your loved ones. If you

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<v Speaker 1>see something, say something, you never know how many lives

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be saving. Thank you for listening to today's episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Active Shooter the Podcast. Remember, if you see something,

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<v Speaker 1>say something, there's no telling how many lives you may

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<v Speaker 1>be saving. A big thank you to Darren Curtis, who

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<v Speaker 1>composed some of the songs on our show. You can

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<v Speaker 1>find him online at www dot Darrencurtis music dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sure to check us out on social media. You

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<v Speaker 1>can find us on Facebook at Active Shooter the Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and on Twitter at podcast Active. Thank you and be safe.
