Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo.
Speaker 2: These guys are your favorites, so like Shay, subscribe and rade.
Speaker 1: It, lip Star and me just on us today and
Speaker 1: listening watching lim always keep its watching.
Speaker 2: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 1: Hello Bobo, Hello Cliff. What's happening man? Anything good?
Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, a bachelor for the week or for four
Speaker 3: or five days?
Speaker 1: Sure sounds like you love her?
Speaker 3: Hey, you know, dirty, dirty dishes in the sink, crap
Speaker 3: laying around, that kind of good stuff.
Speaker 1: Like the good old days. Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: Melissa's going going out of town for a while a
Speaker 1: little bit later in the spring early summer to go
Speaker 1: storm chasing, and I'm gonna have a few weeks of
Speaker 1: bachelorhood as well. And don't get me wrong, I love
Speaker 1: I love me some Melissa my favorite thing on the planet.
Speaker 1: But I also love being alone. Being alone's second only
Speaker 1: to being with my wife.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do with your timing? You know,
Speaker 1: the woods or anything? Are you stuck working the whole
Speaker 1: time or what's up?
Speaker 3: No, I'll go to the woods tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Oh good, good, me too.
Speaker 3: I would have went today, but we had this going on.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Q and A today, that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. I enjoy these, of course, I think
Speaker 1: everybody enjoys these. We have quite a few voicemails too,
Speaker 1: and of course everybody listening here, we kind of know
Speaker 1: the routine. You know, if you have a question for us,
Speaker 1: you can actually go to the website or go to
Speaker 1: that link below. But the website is big put and
Speaker 1: Beyond podcast dot com. Hit that link below or a
Speaker 1: Matt prut will put that in the show notes and
Speaker 1: you can go there and you can either type yourself
Speaker 1: a question for us, or you can use our voicemail
Speaker 1: and leave a voicemail for us and listen to your
Speaker 1: beautiful voice on the air with us and we'll answer it.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the deal. Everybody kind of knows
Speaker 1: that at this point. And if we also have a
Speaker 1: membership you many of you are members, we'd appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And we do a special member Q and A that
Speaker 1: we'll record right after we're done recording this main episode,
Speaker 1: and that comes out on Thursday of every week. So
Speaker 1: if you're interested, go to that link that Matt pro
Speaker 1: will certainly put in the show notes below.
Speaker 2: In honor of Bobo's Penning Batchelor week. I'm gonna because
Speaker 2: I pull these questions in random order, so I'm going
Speaker 2: to play the Bobo centric one first.
Speaker 1: Excellent, Let's celebrate Bobo together.
Speaker 4: Hey, clisten Bobo. I'm a huge fan of your podcast
Speaker 4: and also finding Bigfoot. I'm twenty four years old and
Speaker 4: finding Bigfoot was my childhood and Mountain Monsters and monster quest.
Speaker 4: But my question here for the show goes to Bobo.
Speaker 4: I hear you've had encounters with ghosts and the paranormal,
Speaker 4: which is scarier encountering a ghost or encountering a sasquatch.
Speaker 4: Thanks guys, You guys are awesome. Keep a squatchy, keep
Speaker 4: making more episodes.
Speaker 3: Oh, it was definitely more freaked out by a South squatch.
Speaker 3: Is when I was the most freaked out I got
Speaker 3: was by a squatch for sure. That first incident I
Speaker 3: had where I didn't see it, but I had that
Speaker 3: crazy audio experience and infra sound, I'm pretty sure, and yeah,
Speaker 3: that was that was the most tuning for me. But
Speaker 3: the one like demon encounter I thought I had it
Speaker 3: turned out to be most I mean, they call it
Speaker 3: lucid dreaming, but it sure seemed real and that scared
Speaker 3: the hell out of me too. And what happened that
Speaker 3: one where I was in Hoopa and I thought there
Speaker 3: was like a demon sitting on my chest like squishing me,
Speaker 3: and I couldn't breathe, I couldn't move.
Speaker 1: So it was a demon, not a hag they call it.
Speaker 3: They call it hag on the chest, I guess, or
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they think they have some name that references
Speaker 1: hags or witches or something like that.
Speaker 3: I believe, Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I had that happen,
Speaker 3: But for years I thought it was just totally like
Speaker 3: a real, you know, paranormal experience. And then you know
Speaker 3: the high check I could be with some guys that
Speaker 3: she went to Cornell or Princeton, I can't remember when
Speaker 3: she went corner. I think it was Cornell, some like
Speaker 3: PhD guys and sleep sciences and stuff like that whatever there.
Speaker 3: I figured what kind of PhDs they were, but they
Speaker 3: gave me like some stuff to read on it. I
Speaker 3: was like, that's exactly what I had to happen to me,
Speaker 3: like to the t, So I guess that's that's that
Speaker 3: scared the hell out of me. But the time I
Speaker 3: definitely saw the ghost things, I wasn't really scared. I
Speaker 3: was just kind of freaked out.
Speaker 1: What's the difference freaked out?
Speaker 3: I was like, well, what the hell is that? Or scared?
Speaker 3: Like oh my, you know. I wasn't like ready to
Speaker 3: crack my drawers or nothing like that. It wasn't like
Speaker 3: I was having trouble breathing. It was just like mind blown.
Speaker 1: So fear is you're worried about what your own personal
Speaker 1: safety and freaked out is more bewilderment maybe? Or is
Speaker 1: that kind of close?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, on these paranormal sort of encounters, does it
Speaker 1: make sense to you to be fearful for your life,
Speaker 1: your soul, your psyche, your essence? And does that cross
Speaker 1: your mind at all?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: There you go. But you know, this person didn't give
Speaker 1: their names. We can't really address them except for twenty
Speaker 1: four years old. H thank you twenty four years old.
Speaker 1: Appreciate your question. And you know, I'm surprised this person
Speaker 1: didn't say grew up watching you, because that's what I
Speaker 1: get all the time from young adults. He said, you
Speaker 1: guys were his childhood. The show was his childhood. Oh
Speaker 1: he did Okay, I was gonna say, because that's pretty
Speaker 1: standard from young young adults. It's like, I grew up
Speaker 1: watching you, you know, as this gentleman said my entire
Speaker 1: childhood blah blah blah. I think it's weird being the
Speaker 1: same age as old people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I still think of myself like being pretty young,
Speaker 3: like when I'm just like, oh yeah, you like, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh no, I was old as like as parents. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw something on the Twitter machine that you know,
Speaker 1: said just a reminder that Archie Bunker was forty five
Speaker 1: years old in that show. No way supposedly, Carol.
Speaker 3: Maybe Carol O'Connor was probably about the late forties when
Speaker 3: did that show.
Speaker 2: Here's a fun nerd fact for you. Carol O'Connor shares
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Speaker 1: Hymns. He had perfect care. Should we mention those shirts?
Speaker 1: You got to be excited about those shirts, man, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I am super excited about the shirts. But I don't
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Speaker 2: the show notes and if you see anything new, definitely
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Speaker 2: what I do know in the interim is that this
Speaker 2: is the last call for the Whoop shirts. So our
Speaker 2: good friend Brandon at Sasquatch Prince they're discontinuing those shirts.
Speaker 2: So this is the very last call with the epic
Speaker 2: image of Cliff and Bobo doing the whoop and the
Speaker 2: Sasquatch in the background that was generously given to us
Speaker 2: by a great listener friend of the podcast. And so
Speaker 2: if you dig those shirts, this is your last chance
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Speaker 2: show notes. I got two, and make sure you peek
Speaker 2: around and see if there's any new listenings by the
Speaker 2: time this episode drops. Once I know that the listening
Speaker 2: is there, for sure, we'll announce it again. But either way,
Speaker 2: last calling the Whoop shirts, so get them while they're hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what about the regular sort of orange Bigfoot
Speaker 1: and Beyond shirt with the bigfoot of the microphone, and
Speaker 1: that one's still going to be available. Those are perennial. Oh,
Speaker 1: very good, very good. So the Whoop shirts are going
Speaker 1: away and a new one that will hint and just say,
Speaker 1: is Bruce Lee themed is going to take its place? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's the Prue variant, the Bigfooting Beyond the Big Footed
Speaker 1: Beyond merch line.
Speaker 3: We got like a shirt like just shut up. It
Speaker 3: like a mixing board with the headphones and mike, and.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll sell plenty of them to my mom.
Speaker 3: Number one, sew. I'll bet twenty bucks if you number
Speaker 3: one seller.
Speaker 1: I can see a shirt design where Matt is, you know,
Speaker 1: with the microphone behind and that your ear goggles on,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like almost like a DJ and
Speaker 1: Bobo and I are slow dancing. It'll be a good shirt.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea.
Speaker 3: But we're both let us with our own squatch.
Speaker 1: Or just straight out disco dancing right with the John
Speaker 1: Travolta strike a pose sort of thing.
Speaker 2: But what's got to be doing the finger guns from
Speaker 2: the Kenny Loggins video and Cliff you have to be skipping,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, or if somebody could do one of you
Speaker 2: guys doing like the high Buddha oh yeah. To our
Speaker 2: creative listeners. See we've been very lucky, like our podcast logo,
Speaker 2: which you know, I absolutely love. I think it's perfect.
Speaker 2: Like we've themed everything on that color scheme. If anybody
Speaker 2: doesn't know or if you haven't gone back to the beginning,
Speaker 2: like we put the word out to listeners before we
Speaker 2: even launched.
Speaker 1: We had a little teaser episode out there and said, hey,
Speaker 1: we'd love to crowdsource logo ideas, and a guy named
Speaker 1: Chris Douda created that and send it to us, which
Speaker 1: is super cool and so always indebted to Chris. Love
Speaker 1: the logo, love that look. So we've been the beneficiaries
Speaker 1: have a lot of our talented listeners. So if anybody
Speaker 1: can make a design like Cliff just described and send
Speaker 1: it in, I think it would be epic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that. I like the the belly buff.
Speaker 3: Cliff and I are both big foots, kind of like
Speaker 3: we're big foot buys with our faces on them and
Speaker 3: prove it DJ and.
Speaker 1: Absolutely ridiculous. Bobo's trailer in the background. Did I tell you, Bobo.
Speaker 1: I know we're bringing it back to the questions in
Speaker 1: a minute, but you know, there's a lot of conferences
Speaker 1: coming up, and I was just going over my presentation again.
Speaker 1: I'm going to kind of talk about the NABC and
Speaker 1: what we're doing in twenty twenty four. Did I tell
Speaker 1: you Boba that you're The video of you driving away
Speaker 1: in with the trailer is in my presentation. No, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty sweet.
Speaker 3: Didn't even know what it was.
Speaker 1: Well, I've only done it at squash Pass. I've only
Speaker 1: had one gig so far this year, and so I
Speaker 1: kind of gave it a test run and I've owned
Speaker 1: it since then, you know, made it a little bit better.
Speaker 1: But yeah, when I put that up, there was a
Speaker 1: quiet wave of giggles in the audience. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there are pigeons and listeners everywhere, and they seem to
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And of course the people who don't listen,
Speaker 1: the unwashed masses out there, they had no idea why
Speaker 1: everybody else was giggling quietly to themselves.
Speaker 3: So, dude, I gotta I gonna get a little video
Speaker 3: clip here coming up. Oh I shouldn't even say it,
Speaker 3: so I uh, I'll just say it when I When
Speaker 3: I get it, I'll send it in pro and post it.
Speaker 3: We're written a series of children's books in kindergarten about
Speaker 3: about the pigeon. Oh yeah, you've seen those pigeon pigeon books.
Speaker 3: For kindergartenss like a series.
Speaker 1: No, I can't say that.
Speaker 3: I have laughed the whole time. The kids are drawing
Speaker 3: pigeons in class and stuff.
Speaker 1: That's cool. That's cool.
Speaker 3: Show offs.
Speaker 1: All right, should we get back to the questions here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get back to the questions here's the next one.
Speaker 3: Hi, Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 5: My name is Amanda and I'm from Iowa. I'm watching
Speaker 5: TV and I saw that Harry and the Henderson's the
Speaker 5: movie was on, and I'm wondering if you've seen the
Speaker 5: movie and what impact, if any, you think it had
Speaker 5: on people's persons with Bigfoot and on people in the
Speaker 5: bigfoot community.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think it's it's safe to say that
Speaker 1: we've all seen it. I mean, right, I.
Speaker 3: Saw it for the first time a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: The first time I saw it was when this podcast
Speaker 3: started started.
Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, what did you think of it?
Speaker 3: I like parts of it for sure, like you know,
Speaker 3: I was kind of gas and other parts, like you know,
Speaker 3: the hunters based undernated hinting, so I was kind of
Speaker 3: laughing about that. And then there was some stuff that
Speaker 3: was cool that they didn't sasquatch too, much of a
Speaker 3: woos though. That's the one that I didn't like about it.
Speaker 3: No ways, Sasquatch was not that much of a woos
Speaker 3: not a whoss at all, So I didn't like that
Speaker 3: part of it. But there are some like the way
Speaker 3: they did, like the way they disappeared and disappeared at
Speaker 3: the end of the forest.
Speaker 1: Oh that's the best scene by far, I think. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen it a handful of times, and the most
Speaker 1: recent time I watched it, I went to a screening
Speaker 1: where Rick Baker was making a presentation. We watched that
Speaker 1: movie and another thing he did, I forget what it was.
Speaker 1: He was down at the Hollywood Theater in Portland, in
Speaker 1: the Hollywood district, but at Portland, Oregon. It is called
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Theater for whatever reason. It's a cool old theater,
Speaker 1: really cool theater. Rick Baker was there, he took questions afterwards.
Speaker 1: I found him before the presentation and gave him a
Speaker 1: Gray's Harbor cast and he could care less by the
Speaker 1: looks of his face. Oh los oh, I know seriously,
Speaker 1: which is disappointing to Melissa, of course, because Melissa, being
Speaker 1: a special effects makeup artist. Dash Officionado has always looked
Speaker 1: up to Rick Baker, but when we gave him the cast,
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, thanks, and like looked at it like
Speaker 1: what the hell, and gave it to his assistant to
Speaker 1: go put in the car. We're thinking, oh, that's just
Speaker 1: going to end up in some pile somewhere, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe he treasures it. I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but he didn't look impressed. He didn't care at all.
Speaker 1: But I did watch it in his presence lunch, which
Speaker 1: was kind of neat. Of course, he won awards and
Speaker 1: whatnot for the suit and all the work that he
Speaker 1: did on the film. It was a little uncomfortable watching
Speaker 1: the sad old man own owning the Bigfoot museum. That
Speaker 1: was a little uncomfortable for me, But I like being uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and of course I enjoyed the aide. The hindn't take off.
Speaker 1: But really, I think I think we should go over
Speaker 1: Senior Harry in the Henderson's correspondent Matt prut because didn't
Speaker 1: you just have an hour long debate about this particular
Speaker 1: movie on another podcast with some friends. Yeah. I had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun on this show.
Speaker 2: So one of our listeners, someone who had read my
Speaker 2: book reached out to me, and he and his friends
Speaker 2: have a great podcast called Reels of Justice, and so
Speaker 2: it's set up like a faux court trial and they
Speaker 2: bring in people to be the quote unquote defense who
Speaker 2: have you know, experience with a particular field of study
Speaker 2: or a field of interest, and so that person has
Speaker 2: to pick a film that has to do with their
Speaker 2: area of study and then defend it as a great film.
Speaker 2: And so he reached out to me like, oh, we'd
Speaker 2: love to have you on to do a Bigfoot film.
Speaker 2: And it's sort of like a segue into talking about
Speaker 2: the subject, and so I thought, man, everyone always picks
Speaker 2: the legend of Boggy Creek, and no one's going to
Speaker 2: do that better than like Lyle or you know, there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of treatments to that. So I was like,
Speaker 2: let's do Harry and the Henderson's And so I rewatched
Speaker 2: it and then I was like, oh, man, I probably shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Have picked this movie. But we did have a really
Speaker 1: fun time. I got to be very fun and playful
Speaker 1: in the court trial part of it, and then we
Speaker 1: had a long, fun discussion. So if you check out
Speaker 1: the podcast Reels of Justice, episode four forty one The
Speaker 1: People Versus Harry and the Henderson's. You could hear by
Speaker 1: take on the film in a very playful, facetious way.
Speaker 1: That's a great band name, by the way, you know,
Speaker 1: The People Versus Harry and the Henderson's.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, it was good.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. I think it came
Speaker 1: out March twentieth, so it was pretty recent. But I
Speaker 1: had a blast. Really appreciate those guys having me on
Speaker 1: and it was super fun, well cool, very good man,
Speaker 1: very good. I hope that answers your question, Amanda, Stay
Speaker 1: tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
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Speaker 6: Hello, Cliff, Bobo and Matt. This is Matthew in Eastern Oklahoma.
Speaker 6: I'm an outdoorsman, birdwatching nerd naturalist, fairly new to the
Speaker 6: bigfoot phenomenon last couple of years or so, trying to
Speaker 6: learn more about it, and I have there's so much
Speaker 6: out there, so many podcasts and this and that and
Speaker 6: the other. I've really kind of pulled back to Bigfoot
Speaker 6: and Beyond and made you guys the hub at which
Speaker 6: I listen, and then based on who your guests are,
Speaker 6: based on what your topics are, then I kind of
Speaker 6: researched those particular things. In that vein, I came across
Speaker 6: the nine one one tapes in Washington where the gentleman
Speaker 6: calls in to nine one one his dog has been killed,
Speaker 6: and then later calls in again. It's such crazy, compelling evidence.
Speaker 6: It sounds real. I'm just fascinated by it. Could you
Speaker 6: guys please comment on the nine to one one tapes
Speaker 6: in Washington what your thoughts are? And then have you
Speaker 6: ever met that gentleman? Has he really been interviewed, what's
Speaker 6: more of the backstory. I would love to hear it.
Speaker 6: I would love to hear that guy interviewed about his experiences.
Speaker 6: Thanks guy, He's talked to you later, Bye bye.
Speaker 3: I know Ron Moorehead tracked him down and had a
Speaker 3: long conversation with him, and someone else talked to him too.
Speaker 3: He's totally avoided any kind of limelight. Yeah, Well, here's
Speaker 3: what happened a few weeks before that his dog had
Speaker 3: been killed. It was he got there because of what
Speaker 3: was going on out there, like you know, sasquatch activity.
Speaker 3: He didn't know what it was, but he got a
Speaker 3: couple of trained German Shepherd attack dogs, like big hundred
Speaker 3: pound dogs, and he let he let him out when
Speaker 3: that thing was out there and is here the big
Speaker 3: you know, just crunching smacks sound in a yape, you know,
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, his dog's dead body
Speaker 3: got thrown over the hedge. And Ron went there and
Speaker 3: saw the yard and everything. He said, there's no way there,
Speaker 3: There's no way he would could throw a dog like that.
Speaker 3: There's just it was way too far, just is too
Speaker 3: high when it came in. Yeah, I forget. Do you
Speaker 3: know this? Do you guys remember the story about how
Speaker 3: Ron even heard about the tape? Who told him about it?
Speaker 2: I don't know how Ron it was brought to Ron's attention.
Speaker 2: All I remember about is Kitsap County or Kitsap Peninsula.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kits Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I guess Ron's the only source for that one.
Speaker 1: But you know, I while listening to your question, Matthew,
Speaker 1: it did strike me it's like, Yeah, a newcomer to
Speaker 1: the big foot field nowadays must just feel overwhelmed, you know.
Speaker 1: And if he finds somebody, and he found us, and
Speaker 1: I think that we're a fairly reliable source, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad you found a place to call home,
Speaker 1: so to speak, and kind of bounce off where we
Speaker 1: put our attention, because it's a big bigfoot world out there,
Speaker 1: so big that I can't I certainly don't pay attention
Speaker 1: to it. It's just too much. It's a bunch of
Speaker 1: just white noise, very weak, you know, signal in the
Speaker 1: middle of all that is anything of value because everybody's
Speaker 1: out there pointing to themselves and screaming. You know, you
Speaker 1: can't even hear the bigfoot screaming over the screaming of
Speaker 1: all the bigfooters. So I sympathize with you as far
Speaker 1: as that goes. I'm glad you found us, and I
Speaker 1: hope that we don't see in the wrong direction or
Speaker 1: anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a there's a lot of podcasts or show.
Speaker 3: I started getting into one, like I was all psyched,
Speaker 3: and I said I was going to bring it up
Speaker 3: on the show, and then I heard it's like they
Speaker 3: just kind of avalcamate all those reports and just there's
Speaker 3: no like interviews or you don't hear the witness talk.
Speaker 3: They just read the reports. And I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: this is cool because I actually they read one of
Speaker 3: the reports I had done a long time ago, and
Speaker 3: they read reports of people I know that were the
Speaker 3: subject of the report, of the person that took the report.
Speaker 3: I remember them tell me about it, like, you know,
Speaker 3: all the details that.
Speaker 1: I heard them.
Speaker 3: They're also reading like known fake So that really bummed
Speaker 3: me out. I was like, oh man, I was just
Speaker 3: getting really into this show. Another let's read you know,
Speaker 3: known Hoolks has known things that shouldn't be repeated as
Speaker 3: you know, factual or real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it if it gets ears on their podcast
Speaker 1: or eyeballs on their channel, I don't think they care
Speaker 1: so much clickbait. It looks real, and maybe it's very
Speaker 1: possible that the people putting it out even think it's
Speaker 1: real because they're also new to the big foot field.
Speaker 2: That was the crux of my entire presentation at the NABC.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I can definitely sympathize with that too. Is
Speaker 2: that you know, there is a center, there is a foundation,
Speaker 2: the sort of axioms of the sasquatch phenomenon and the
Speaker 2: study thereof. But we all enter the territory from the fringes,
Speaker 2: you know, and so there's so much noise at those
Speaker 2: fringes that a lot of people don't even realize, Like, no,
Speaker 2: there is a center, and there is a foundation, and
Speaker 2: a lot of us are trying hard to maintain that
Speaker 2: and to lead people to it and to be good
Speaker 2: compasses that point to it.
Speaker 1: But it's not easy, and for whatever it's worth, I
Speaker 1: don't think it ever goes away. Now there's some version
Speaker 1: of that. I'm grappling with a version of that right
Speaker 1: now with some some you know, stuff that's crossed my
Speaker 1: plate recently. It's like, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: what I've decided upon for myself, you know, because I
Speaker 1: don't know I back up a moment. So many people
Speaker 1: bring me and I'm sure Matt and Bobo would back
Speaker 1: have their same experience, the same experience in their lives.
Speaker 1: They bring me stuff to show me, and they want
Speaker 1: me to go, oh my god, this is the most
Speaker 1: amazing thing ever. They want that validation, they want that attention,
Speaker 1: they want something, They want something some sort of positive
Speaker 1: feedback from me, and I rarely give it, you know, honestly.
Speaker 1: And it's not because like maybe a footprint cast or
Speaker 1: you know, a siding report or something like that doesn't
Speaker 1: deserve it. It's like, oh, yeah, that's cool, that's rad.
Speaker 1: And but who was I talking about? Maybe maybe it
Speaker 1: was Wes or somebody like that. I was talking to somebody,
Speaker 1: and and but it always comes down to this, now,
Speaker 1: what right? Like what does this mean?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What is now? What do we do with that? Where
Speaker 1: do we go from here with this sort of thing?
Speaker 1: And for the most part, there's no answer to that.
Speaker 1: You just wait for the next one. And So for
Speaker 1: me and my own research and what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do and what I'm not trying to accomplish anything except
Speaker 1: or learn about them. So I guess for what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish. When people bring me things and whatever else,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's real, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're being hoaxed. I don't know if it's a misaiding.
Speaker 1: I don't know any of this thing. I can look
Speaker 1: at it and go that I like that, I don't
Speaker 1: like that. But that's just Cliff's opinion. And I may
Speaker 1: have some experience, but I'm no expert in anything. Really,
Speaker 1: I may have some more experience than some other people
Speaker 1: because I'm an old man and I've been doing this
Speaker 1: a long time. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: what I've the point I've come to is if I
Speaker 1: didn't find it, and I like a piece of evidence,
Speaker 1: if I didn't, if it doesn't directly come from me
Speaker 1: or somebody I personally know pretty well, kind of doesn't
Speaker 1: matter anymore. You know, I know they're there. I know
Speaker 1: lots of people see them a lot more than most
Speaker 1: people realize, and a lot of people have encounters and
Speaker 1: experiences and stuff. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: now what But if I'm in my area and I
Speaker 1: find something cool, well, then I have a now what?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: Now what is? Oh? Now I build a strategy based
Speaker 1: around this particular area, and what am I going to
Speaker 1: do about it? Then I can start building a plan.
Speaker 1: But oh, I saw one in I don't know wherever,
Speaker 1: you know, in Kidsap County, like the nine one one call.
Speaker 1: All right, Now, what am I going to start going
Speaker 1: driving three and a half hours of kids app you
Speaker 1: know every week? I doubt it, And so I would
Speaker 1: focus on that, And as far as getting lost in
Speaker 1: the very noisy wilderness of people scream and look at me,
Speaker 1: I would focus on what you can do there in
Speaker 1: eastern Oklahoma there, Matthew, and make your own experiences. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting, especially when you're new. It's interesting to hear
Speaker 1: other people's experiences. But you don't know about I mean
Speaker 1: strangers especially. You don't know if they're legit. You don't
Speaker 1: know if they're exaggerating. You don't know, if they observe
Speaker 1: something correctly. You don't know if they have language skills
Speaker 1: to communicate what they did observe. You don't know. If
Speaker 1: they're nuts. You don't know, if they're sad and lonely,
Speaker 1: you don't know, if they're exaggerating. There's too many I
Speaker 1: don't know's in there. So focus on what you have,
Speaker 1: you know, focus on what you find and see where
Speaker 1: that takes you. That's the best advice I can give
Speaker 1: any bigfooter as far as going through the weeds and
Speaker 1: finding your way home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I hear like podcasts like they're getting all
Speaker 3: popular now, Like the person just got in a big
Speaker 3: foot a couple of years ago, and they're always you
Speaker 3: months ago and they're giving their opinion on stuff. I'm like,
Speaker 3: got to hate that. It's like you have no background
Speaker 3: of this at all, and like now you're just senating
Speaker 3: opinion and things. And I mean, everyone is in toet
Speaker 3: their opinion, but if you don't know what you're talking about,
Speaker 3: it doesn't doesn't mean much. But if you hype up
Speaker 3: stories that are we could make this podcast so much
Speaker 3: bigger if we did all the clickbait stuff and blah
Speaker 3: blah blah. I mean, but I just I just hate
Speaker 3: that stuff, Like I hate. I hate when it's not
Speaker 3: just based on I can hear an knowledgeable host whatever
Speaker 3: the subject is.
Speaker 1: That's one of the other things that I had in
Speaker 1: my presentation for last year's presentation because I usually it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's not the NABC last year? This is what I've
Speaker 1: been doing that lately because there's so much and I
Speaker 1: want people to know what we're doing, you know. But
Speaker 1: last year we had some photographs donated to the NABC,
Speaker 1: and the photographs were of Bob Tipmos casting the nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty three high impalm prints. You know, you could see
Speaker 1: them in the ground drawing in front of Bob Tipmos
Speaker 1: kneeling on the ground. Fantastic photographs thanks to doctor Russ Jones,
Speaker 1: who I think is a listener own a semi regular basis,
Speaker 1: so he scored those for the NABC and on the
Speaker 1: back of the photograph and pencil is written something in
Speaker 1: terms of this is this is Bob Tipmos tracking mister Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: He's been tracking Bigfoot for five years. And I always
Speaker 1: show that side of the photograph when I do the presentation,
Speaker 1: and those pictures are in the presentation. I said five years.
Speaker 1: And remember, mind you, this is nineteen sixty three. You
Speaker 1: could only be bigfooting for five years at that point
Speaker 1: because the word bigfoot was coined in nineteen fifty eight,
Speaker 1: five years before. And I bring that up. I said, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: five years. At the time, that was as long as
Speaker 1: you could have been doing it. And then I go
Speaker 1: on to say, just to just to poke the audience
Speaker 1: and make them a little uncomfortable, because I'm that kind
Speaker 1: of guy, I say, but nowadays, you're big footing for
Speaker 1: five years, you're new and very often I hear a
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable, you know, rumble of you know, discomfort and
Speaker 1: laughter in the audience because of that. But it's true
Speaker 1: nowadays It's totally true. And there's nothing wrong with being
Speaker 1: new either. I want to point that out. You should
Speaker 1: always accept where you are in your journey because that's
Speaker 1: the only way you can get you can move forward.
Speaker 1: But five years nowadays, yeah, you're kind of new, and
Speaker 1: it's appropriate to act like it. But it's also appropriate
Speaker 1: to want to be seen as perhaps more experience than
Speaker 1: you are. And I think that's what we get in
Speaker 1: a lot of podcasters stuff nowadays. But that's cool. There's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with being new man, there's nothing wrong. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine stumbling into Bigfoot nowadays?
Speaker 3: Like the just.
Speaker 1: The it's of course a double edged sword. There is
Speaker 1: all this like white noise and meaningless garble and stuff
Speaker 1: in the background. But also what a wealth of information
Speaker 1: there is? What a true wealth of information?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: If the Skukum gas is old news now, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember when it came out, you know, like all
Speaker 1: these things that are that are old ancient history now
Speaker 1: that has been studied and beat the death in a
Speaker 1: lot of cases, all that's at your fingertips. Where we're like,
Speaker 1: when we're into this and we're brand new, we had
Speaker 1: to wait for anything cool to happen for a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have trouble. We have trouble going through ourselves.
Speaker 3: I mean like we've got a ton of experience, like
Speaker 3: knowing who's who and this and that and that, but
Speaker 3: I mean there's sort of stuff I go like, God,
Speaker 3: what like I'm looking to listen to something or like
Speaker 3: you know, being able to watch a video for like
Speaker 3: a half hour hour before I go to bet or something,
Speaker 3: and you know, I'll look for some of like God,
Speaker 3: there's so much, so much. Shot have to get to
Speaker 3: the weak. Yeah, so if you're new, it really really difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really would. So I'm glad math. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that we're the saviors, we're the best
Speaker 1: authorities out there or anything like that, you know, because
Speaker 1: I have people that I go to and I listen
Speaker 1: to very closely. But we'll always do our best. At
Speaker 1: least you're a big thing to be on not to
Speaker 1: steer you in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would recommend go and listen to that club
Speaker 2: post book Club episode. I think I ended up that
Speaker 2: that was like episode two ninety nine, And you know,
Speaker 2: we mentioned a lot of books in there, but we
Speaker 2: talk about our essentials and those are mentors that you
Speaker 2: can query for the rest of your life. I mean
Speaker 2: the top five books that I have, I reread those
Speaker 2: every year, and some of them I've had for you know, decades,
Speaker 2: a couple of decades, so you know, they're endless wells
Speaker 2: of good information and so start there.
Speaker 1: And that's a great foundation too.
Speaker 2: You don't have to just be stuck to you know,
Speaker 2: what can be poured into your eyes or ears via
Speaker 2: a screen.
Speaker 1: Like those books are great, great resources. There's a reason
Speaker 1: we talk about them so frequently. Yeah, and get your
Speaker 1: eyes off a screen. I think it's probably one of
Speaker 1: the best things you can do, unless you read your
Speaker 1: books on your screen, in which case, keep your eyes
Speaker 1: on it. But yeah, always go books first, man, read books.
Speaker 1: There's there's actually a gift out there. I think our
Speaker 1: friend Jeff Thomas made it. I could be incorrect about that.
Speaker 1: With Bobo and I in it. Boba's wearing a very
Speaker 1: very handsome looking hat, by the way, and I think
Speaker 1: I leaned towards the camera and I had to say,
Speaker 1: read books. And that sums up ninety percent of my
Speaker 1: advice in bigfoot Land, you know, read books. Stay tuned
Speaker 1: for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages. All right, should we
Speaker 1: hop onto the next question? Let's do it.
Speaker 2: And this is a familiar voice, friend of the podcast
Speaker 2: and longtime friend of you guys. So here is the
Speaker 2: next voicemail.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Mike.
Speaker 7: How you guys all doing, Cliff Bubba, my friends are
Speaker 7: all doing well today? I got a quick question for
Speaker 7: you guys.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think?
Speaker 7: Me and my girlfriend have a conversation about big one
Speaker 7: stuff like that, and we got into a thought of
Speaker 7: when Bigfoot is proven to be a real creature, and
Speaker 7: you know, let's say people have the encounter with them
Speaker 7: and they get injured or hurt or worse or does
Speaker 7: damage to their property or something like that. Do you
Speaker 7: think there's gonna be bigfoot insurance? Do you think of like, oh, well,
Speaker 7: you got Bigfoot that destroyed your friends all all your
Speaker 7: your bigfoot insurance covers the kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I'm wondering if that will ever be if that will
Speaker 7: ever be a thing or will be something else? All right,
Speaker 7: see you guys, love you.
Speaker 1: I would love to have that problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just be a homeowner's insurance claimate, say as a
Speaker 3: bear did it? Or vandals people or whatever? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is there are there insurances for other kinds of animals
Speaker 1: like deer or something?
Speaker 3: Nah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I've never heard of that. There's storm
Speaker 1: insurance and flood insurance and fire insurance and you know
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: an specific animal kind of like you're a fisherman, or
Speaker 1: is there a shark insurance or you know, killer whale insurance?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my guess, Mike is that they probably wouldn't have
Speaker 1: some sort of bigfoot insurance. It'd probably be really cheap
Speaker 1: though if they did, because they don't really do much
Speaker 1: to you, And then the people who may or you
Speaker 1: know who may actually run into extraordinarily aggressive sasquatches and
Speaker 1: get killed by them or neat and we don't hear
Speaker 1: from them.
Speaker 2: Wasn't there a news story a few years ago where
Speaker 2: a woman tried to claim that she'd hit a sasquatch
Speaker 2: with her car. Wasn't that in Idaho?
Speaker 3: No? She said that she said the sasquatch flushed deer
Speaker 3: in front of her car.
Speaker 2: Oh, was that what it was? I do remember she
Speaker 2: tried to file it on her insurance. I'll see if
Speaker 2: I can find that new story and I'll put the
Speaker 2: link in the show notes if I can find it.
Speaker 1: But I do have a vague memory of that news story.
Speaker 1: But anyway, here's the next question.
Speaker 8: Well, I guess I'm going to be a regular. This
Speaker 8: is Christina again. I have a question. I was watching
Speaker 8: an episode of Fine Bigfoot and Bobo made the comment
Speaker 8: that sometimes they mess up and they step in the
Speaker 8: mud and leave the footprint, which made me think that
Speaker 8: Bobo was thinking that they actively tried to hide their
Speaker 8: footprints from us. And I always assumed that they didn't
Speaker 8: like to trial cameras because of the INFRED light. But
Speaker 8: is there a way that they could know that we
Speaker 8: can see them on that and that's why they're avoiding it?
Speaker 8: And Bobo, I was also wondering with you. You mentioned
Speaker 8: in a previous episode that they were asking you to
Speaker 8: come to Willow Creek in July, and I already have
Speaker 8: my cottage booked, so I'm hoping you will be there.
Speaker 8: Cliff Matt, it would be great if you guys could
Speaker 8: all be there. Thank you for everything you do.
Speaker 1: There's a lot there to unpack.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what's going on in July and Willow
Speaker 3: Creek exactly. This that's big foot Days. I thought that
Speaker 3: was September or August. Yeah, they definitely avoiding their footprints
Speaker 3: if possible. I mean, for how much they're around and
Speaker 3: how you know, for you know, there's thousands of them
Speaker 3: in North America, and the miles and miles they walk
Speaker 3: every day, every week every year, you expect to be
Speaker 3: more track find stories, but really there's not. There's not
Speaker 3: a whole lot of track finds. There's more sightings reported
Speaker 3: than track finds. But yeah, I mean, like mountain lions
Speaker 3: avoid leaving their tracks. I guess coyotes and wolves are
Speaker 3: conscious of it, but mountain limes, like the is it
Speaker 3: tigers too, that will avoid leaving tracks forritt you to.
Speaker 2: Know that, well, it just it really depends, like in
Speaker 2: a lot of the areas where tigers roam, there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of track traps. You know, at certain places,
Speaker 2: obviously there might be roads cut that would be good
Speaker 2: track traps or track beds that they would leave. And
Speaker 2: so there's plenty of biologists who study tigers primarily based
Speaker 2: on their tracks. But you know, obviously in most of
Speaker 2: their home ranges, They're just not going to be places
Speaker 2: to leave tracks. I think the same would be true
Speaker 2: if Sasquatches where like, you know, what percentage of viable
Speaker 2: Sasquatch habitat would retain a track that the layperson would
Speaker 2: immediately recognize because most people are not trackers and most
Speaker 2: people aren't even looking, So it has to be something
Speaker 2: that like calls out to the average person. I would
Speaker 2: say it's like an infinitesimally small percent a viable Sasquatch
Speaker 2: habitat in North America that would hold retain a track
Speaker 2: that someone could identify even beyond whether they hide them
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 3: And come across. I mean, like I'm talking like like
Speaker 3: you know a dirt logging road or you know a
Speaker 3: well used pathway or something like that. I mean, if
Speaker 3: they're out the middle of the woodom that they worry
Speaker 3: about it absolutely.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean so many places, like most of
Speaker 2: the places that I go in the East, all the
Speaker 2: force roads are graveled and they're hard packed, and so
Speaker 2: they're just not good track traps. And most of our waterways,
Speaker 2: you know, we don't have big exposed sandbars or a
Speaker 2: lot of muddy areas, and so it's just not there's
Speaker 2: not many tracks from the east for that reason, not
Speaker 2: because the things aren't around walking on substrate. It's just
Speaker 2: that we don't have the right kind of substrate that
Speaker 2: you guys are blessed within the Northwest and other parts
Speaker 2: of the Inner Mountain West.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I would agree with that,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't. I don't think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: great tracking substrate out where I am. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: taken you to some of the spots and shown you
Speaker 1: where we've been pulling tracks and stuff, and the tracks
Speaker 1: that are even there are hard to see and they're
Speaker 1: in mud. Oh that's my point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like to the to the lay person, like what
Speaker 2: would call out to you know, the things that you're
Speaker 2: finding because you are specifically tuning your eyes for that,
Speaker 2: you're looking for a certain size of certain shape, and
Speaker 2: you're in active areas and so you're you're having to
Speaker 2: do a lot more seeking. But you know, the lay
Speaker 2: person is just wandering through an environment and they'll walk
Speaker 2: past a million things like that. They won't even ping
Speaker 2: on their radars to stay relevant to them until they
Speaker 2: see a clear five toed manlike track that's too large
Speaker 2: to be a person. You know, they'd probably walk right
Speaker 2: past juvenile tracks and think, oh, i'd there a barefoot
Speaker 2: dude run around out here. It's only when they see
Speaker 2: those things, that's what I mean. Like the kind of
Speaker 2: substrate that would hold a clear track for a long
Speaker 2: time that a lay person could stumble across that would
Speaker 2: call their attention to it.
Speaker 3: That'd be big too for the average person to notice,
Speaker 3: like because everyone else. I mean, I'm sure I know
Speaker 3: I've walked past big foot tracks. I'm sure that, like
Speaker 3: you know, it's like an outline like just the same
Speaker 3: size as my foot are a little bit smaller, and
Speaker 3: I just don't pay attention. There's no details of toes
Speaker 3: or something like like leaping out right away. I'm probably
Speaker 3: just you know, blown right by on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean remember that the track that I showed
Speaker 1: you at our spot Bobo when you were out and
Speaker 1: I do think that was a track when the above
Speaker 1: the above the road on the hill there, it had
Speaker 1: a couple of toes and everything. But that's the stand.
Speaker 1: That's a really good looking track, and most of them
Speaker 1: aren't even that good. So most you know, ninety eight
Speaker 1: percent of everybody is not going to see these things
Speaker 1: in the ground, They're just not They're just going to
Speaker 1: walk right past them. And there's so few, there's so
Speaker 1: little tracking substrate available. We want them to walk on
Speaker 1: the edge of a beautiful lake with no reeds or grass,
Speaker 1: you know, but those are rare too, Like where you
Speaker 1: going to find that for the most part, And you know,
Speaker 1: I've got this one spot we call it the outer
Speaker 1: Rim because it's so far away. I have found there's
Speaker 1: three sasquatches that we know of in that area. Based
Speaker 1: on the footprint sizes, there's seventeen, there's a fourteen, and
Speaker 1: about an eight or ten somewhere in there. I have
Speaker 1: found all three of them in mud out there. I
Speaker 1: mean they were old and they were deteriorated by the
Speaker 1: time I got them, and it was standing water, so
Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of detail in them, but you
Speaker 1: can see toes there were things there, and those particular
Speaker 1: locations honestly don't hold the tracks very long, so you
Speaker 1: have to be there in a certain window in order
Speaker 1: to see them. In this particular case, a spring was
Speaker 1: coming down like a seep was coming down on an
Speaker 1: old abandoned logging road full of weeds and grass, and
Speaker 1: whatever else all that stuff, and this whole stretch was
Speaker 1: very very muddy, and there's water slowly trickling through it.
Speaker 1: And these tracks were in standing water basically where there
Speaker 1: were standing water in the tracks, I should say, and
Speaker 1: remember that water is in fact moving, even if it's
Speaker 1: moving slowly, and nothing will destroy a track faster than
Speaker 1: moving water. Even those were that were in the in
Speaker 1: the mud itself, they don't last long. And soon the
Speaker 1: toe definition is going to be gone, and soon soon
Speaker 1: the shape is going to be all distorted and wonky,
Speaker 1: and the silts is going to settle in the bottom
Speaker 1: of the track, so it doesn't even look like a
Speaker 1: track anymore.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's just so hard. And you know what, something
Speaker 1: I've asked this is something this exact question, Kristen has
Speaker 1: been perplexing and perplexing me for a while because and
Speaker 1: I think I have a possible answer to some of this,
Speaker 1: and it's it goes back to my dog again. Sochi,
Speaker 1: my dog will go out of her way to not
Speaker 1: walk in mud. She doesn't like it, you know, she'll
Speaker 1: walk off everywhere else, she'll walk through thorns. She's not
Speaker 1: that smart, but she doesn't like to walk in mud.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, I kind of wonder maybe that's the
Speaker 1: same for sasquatches. You know, maybe they're aware that they
Speaker 1: leave good tracks, maybe they're not. Maybe they just don't
Speaker 1: like it. Maybe they don't like wet feet in that
Speaker 1: sort of way, like muddy nasty. I have no idea,
Speaker 1: None of us do. So you can be out there thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: cliss full of it or whatever. You don't know either.
Speaker 1: And I think all these questions are viable questions that
Speaker 1: deserve some sort of exploration. But I have found all
Speaker 1: three of those animals footprints, the seventeen to fourteen and
Speaker 1: the eight or so in mud, So you know, I
Speaker 1: guess I can't avoid they could totally avoid it in
Speaker 1: this place. What am I thinking they could totally avoid
Speaker 1: it in this place? I don't know. So I think
Speaker 1: it's a good question. I wish I knew the answer
Speaker 1: for it. But I think the answer is honestly in
Speaker 1: that most of the substrate is not that and not
Speaker 1: that kind of beautiful substrate that I would really like
Speaker 1: them to step in. Therefore, most sasquatch footprints are not
Speaker 1: in that. I think it has to do with the
Speaker 1: rarity of that kind of substrate. In the territory that
Speaker 1: they roam around in. I think that they're more likely
Speaker 1: to be on the hillsides than at the river bottoms.
Speaker 1: I think they're more likely to be up above the
Speaker 1: low lens that hold those sort of things, looking for
Speaker 1: the deer and stuff below, using that terrain to their advantage,
Speaker 1: using the strategic terrain in their area to find out
Speaker 1: what else is in the area. There's water up on
Speaker 1: those hills too. They don't need to come to the
Speaker 1: rivers to drink. There's little seeps and stuff. And in fact,
Speaker 1: one of my best spots is this puddle on a
Speaker 1: road and right above the road. I think I took
Speaker 1: you there, Matt. The puddle on the road is only
Speaker 1: because there's a seep coming out where this giant tree
Speaker 1: fell down, and then that exposed seep underneath their little spring,
Speaker 1: and the water's trickling down and drooling and pulling up
Speaker 1: on this old abandoned logging road before it goes down
Speaker 1: to the creek below. They like that water for some reason.
Speaker 1: And again I think that goes back to the dogs
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood too. Maybe not my dog, but my
Speaker 1: neighbor's dog. I've got several springs on my property between
Speaker 1: my house and my neighbor's house, and my neighbor's dogs
Speaker 1: will will totally avoid one of the springs, but go
Speaker 1: out of their way to not only drink from the
Speaker 1: other spring, but the plan in it. There's something about
Speaker 1: that first spring they don't like, but they love that
Speaker 1: second spring. And I'm wondering, maybe this Huddle Road thing,
Speaker 1: maybe there's something similar going on there. Maybe that water
Speaker 1: just tastes better, maybe there's some sort of mineral in it.
Speaker 1: And that road is where we get the vast majority
Speaker 1: of the mud prints that I've pulled in my life
Speaker 1: at least, and I could show you some of these tracks. Man,
Speaker 1: they're pretty messy because again there's water flowing through it,
Speaker 1: and that water destroys the shape of the track in
Speaker 1: that mud very very quickly.
Speaker 3: As far as the cameras, I used to think that
Speaker 3: they might know what they were, like, I was pretty sure, like, well,
Speaker 3: because I'm convinced they have language and they're smarter than
Speaker 3: people things in that regards. And I used to think like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, because they we know they watched TV and
Speaker 3: they you know, do their peep and tom thing through
Speaker 3: the window because We've talked to a few people that
Speaker 3: have were watching finding Bigfoot within the ground with the Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: like the animated Bigfoot with growl with the commercial breaks
Speaker 3: saying here like a oh at the window, you know,
Speaker 3: like a grow back. And they found, you know, footprints
Speaker 3: outside their window, like fifteen and sixteen inch tracks whatever.
Speaker 3: So I used to think, like, oh, yeah, they probably
Speaker 3: you know, they saw Patty walking on TV, and you know,
Speaker 3: like they must say, like, you know, they're getting this
Speaker 3: footage somehow. Maybe that's why they get so freaked out
Speaker 3: on cameras. But I'm thinking that less and less.
Speaker 1: Now, good, good job, Bobo. I think they do right.
Speaker 1: And most people who deploy trail cameras tie a camera
Speaker 1: to a tree and sometimes even put a metal box
Speaker 1: around them. They keep bears from eating them and people
Speaker 1: from stealing them, because bears love the smell of plastics,
Speaker 1: turns out, and they're more than happy to eat anything
Speaker 1: they like the smell of. But I think that's as
Speaker 1: far as you need to go. There's a square box
Speaker 1: on a tree that's a human thing. Humans are generally
Speaker 1: no good avoided. I think that's as far as you
Speaker 1: need to go. They don't and I don't think they
Speaker 1: understand cameras. I don't think. I don't. There's no infrared
Speaker 1: light coming out of it. They have an infrared flash
Speaker 1: that triggers when something moves in front of it from
Speaker 1: the passive IR detector. Passive meaning there's no light coming
Speaker 1: out of it, but it senses it in front of
Speaker 1: the sensor. But by the time he got the flash,
Speaker 1: he got the picture, so it doesn't matter anymore. But
Speaker 1: I think it's they. I don't think they smell it.
Speaker 1: They might. They might smell it. I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: not out of the question. But sasquatches, I think it's
Speaker 1: safe to say they don't have the sense of smell
Speaker 1: that say a dog or a bear or deer has,
Speaker 1: And you can tell just by looking at them. They
Speaker 1: don't have that snout that increases the number of nerve
Speaker 1: endings for those old factory nerves. They don't have the
Speaker 1: sense of smell as all those other animals. They probably
Speaker 1: have a sense of smell very similar to ours and
Speaker 1: all the other ape species. And we've kind of domesticated ourselves,
Speaker 1: of course, so our sense of smell isn't up the snuff.
Speaker 1: No pun intended as compared to the other ape species.
Speaker 1: But I think that they can see it, and they
Speaker 1: might even be able to hear it, because that engineer
Speaker 1: friend of mine out in Wisconsin did some experiments with
Speaker 1: a number of game camera models and he found that
Speaker 1: most of them scream was the word that he used
Speaker 1: at high pitch frequencies that humans cannot hear. So maybe
Speaker 1: that's where it lies. But I don't think it's an
Speaker 1: infrared light thing at all. But I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: Well, we know that cluff.
Speaker 1: I've proven it many times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think where the light comes in at night
Speaker 2: is that if you've used cameras, they trigger all the time.
Speaker 2: You know, when the wind blows, when insects move, when
Speaker 2: birds fly, you know, raccoons, possums, deer, coyotes, foxes, on
Speaker 2: and on and on and so if you had sensitive
Speaker 2: eyes and you could see those flashes, you would see
Speaker 2: that thing like firing off at a distance. And I
Speaker 2: always use the raconics hyperfires, so every time they trigger,
Speaker 2: it would take ten rapid fire photographs, so it's doing
Speaker 2: like ten bright flashes bam bay bam, you know, super quickly.
Speaker 2: So I could imagine that you know something watching an
Speaker 2: area waiting for prey. If anything triggers that, and it
Speaker 2: just sees this rapidly flashing light, it might think like,
Speaker 2: what's that over there? I should probably stay away. But anyway,
Speaker 2: thanks for the question, Christina. She has submitted a few questions.
Speaker 2: That's why she said she thinks she's a regular now,
Speaker 2: so we always appreciate that. And irregular one of the
Speaker 2: magnificent irregulars. Yeah, and nobody who listens to us are
Speaker 2: just regular people.
Speaker 1: They're all extraordinary, the intellectual elite. Stay tuned for more
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right
Speaker 1: back after these messages. And so here is your final voicemail.
Speaker 1: I love the show. Just wanted to call and see
Speaker 1: what you guys think of bigfoots. Watching Forest Roads. I
Speaker 1: think I found a little spot one time where at
Speaker 1: the time I thought was a little hunter's nest. But
Speaker 1: the more I listened to your show and open my mind,
Speaker 1: it could have been a bit squatchy, you know. So
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you guys can help me understand
Speaker 1: what's to look for.
Speaker 6: And anyway, thanks guys, you're great.
Speaker 1: Love the show again, and I can't say it enough.
Speaker 3: It's great, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the question is do sasquatches or do we
Speaker 1: think sasquatches watch forest roads. Yeah? Absolutely, I do think
Speaker 1: they do that to some degree, at least I think
Speaker 1: that they're they're when they're in a certain valley, a
Speaker 1: certain area, they are probably using their Like I said
Speaker 1: in the previous question, actually they're using the terrain to
Speaker 1: their strategic advantage. And part of that is knowing who
Speaker 1: comes in and who comes out. I've been in the
Speaker 1: woods countless times, and I say countless because I didn't
Speaker 1: count them where one of us left an area, or
Speaker 1: right when we arrive we heard tree knocks. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know this has happened with you and I bobo
Speaker 1: out in the field number of times. I think we've
Speaker 1: all had that experience. So that tells me right there
Speaker 1: that yeah, they're watching. They're watching who comes in and
Speaker 1: who comes out. Maybe not all the time, maybe they're
Speaker 1: just hanging out and we happen to stumble upon the
Speaker 1: area they're in, but it's to their advantage. In fact,
Speaker 1: they're their Their very life could depend on knowing what
Speaker 1: and who is in the area, and I think that
Speaker 1: they take full advantage of all the strategy, strategic terrain
Speaker 1: in the area to find out what is going on,
Speaker 1: because that's their domain, that's their spot, that's their territory,
Speaker 1: and they are kings and queens of it. They want
Speaker 1: to know what's going on. They want to know if
Speaker 1: they're in danger, they want to know if somebody's going
Speaker 1: after their dear heard, they want to know if somebody
Speaker 1: is trying to look for them or what they're doing
Speaker 1: in the area. They might be curious, they might be defensive,
Speaker 1: they might just who knows. But yeah, they watch forest roads,
Speaker 1: particularly trailheads. By the way, while I'm at.
Speaker 3: It, Oh yeah, trailheads for sure.
Speaker 1: In the middle of a forest road, like in the
Speaker 1: middle of this like three mile stretch, I doubt it.
Speaker 1: I mean, but if a car goes by, they're going
Speaker 1: to pay attention. But I wouldn't. I don't think they
Speaker 1: post up. But if they might post up at the
Speaker 1: mouth of a box canyon that a road goes into.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's a great story that comes to mind about a
Speaker 2: woman who had a late night encounter. She was doing
Speaker 2: a night walk on a trail and to make a
Speaker 2: long story short, you know, she had a close encounter
Speaker 2: with a sasquatch, and it ran off, and so she
Speaker 2: turned and ran back down to her vehicle, and when
Speaker 2: she got to the vehicle parked the trailhead, the thing
Speaker 2: was waiting there, just inside the tree line and started
Speaker 2: making of like intimidating sounds and exhibiting frightening behavior to
Speaker 2: try to run her out, but like as if it
Speaker 2: knew that if you encounter someone on this trail, here's
Speaker 2: where they came from. Like it was trying to make
Speaker 2: sure that she fully left, so it belined what she
Speaker 2: thought was away from the trail, but it actually went
Speaker 2: down to the trailhead like it associated that. So I
Speaker 2: always thought that was fascinating. There's other stories along those lines,
Speaker 2: but that one comes to mind for sure.
Speaker 1: But you know, it was a nest that spurred this
Speaker 1: question on. I'm not so sure they would nest too
Speaker 1: close to a road. I think the only nests I've
Speaker 1: really seen though, are the Olympic Project nests, and those
Speaker 1: were not near a road. They were kind of near
Speaker 1: a logging road, like, you know, four or five hundred
Speaker 1: yards away from a logging road that was uphill from them,
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. But then again, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean there is that there is a mention in
Speaker 1: Krantz's book now that I'm thinking of it of a
Speaker 1: nest or a betting site or a place where something
Speaker 1: rolled around in the grass. It was a Freeman find.
Speaker 1: I have photographs of the actual find, and I think
Speaker 1: that wasn't too far from a road. Yeah, think about
Speaker 1: I don't think they care about roads a whole lot,
Speaker 1: but I think they do like to know who's who's
Speaker 1: walking around and in their turf. But do you have
Speaker 1: anything to add before we zip onto the next question.
Speaker 3: I mean, they definitely will watch trailheads, and I mean,
Speaker 3: I know what with Bart and I being out, there's
Speaker 3: been at least three or four times where when we
Speaker 3: got back to the trailhead there was a big, huge
Speaker 3: just whack crack, you know, like full wow just yeah,
Speaker 3: like when we got back to the right, we got
Speaker 3: back to the parking lot. Yeah, they like it was
Speaker 3: like okay, there got it was kind of it seemed
Speaker 3: like to be like an f you to us and
Speaker 3: all clear to the other squatches that it be further
Speaker 3: back up the trail where we just came from.
Speaker 1: That's how we say goodbye to each other every week
Speaker 1: on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Slam the computer down you if you all clear?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt, but listen to this. Melissa
Speaker 1: told me joke. She got it somewhere, she saw it
Speaker 1: online or something like that. But it is definitely worth repeating.
Speaker 1: Why did the chicken tell the joke?
Speaker 3: I don't know across uh, just hearing Harris says, picturing
Speaker 3: her say Harry and her voice makes it funnier.
Speaker 1: It is so tremendously stupid. I loved it. It was fantastic.
Speaker 1: I enjoy it.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Shall we go to a written question? And we're almost
Speaker 1: out of time here. We'll probably don't have time for
Speaker 1: all of them.
Speaker 2: Now, well, we can tackle a couple of written questions here,
Speaker 2: so let me pop the first one in the chat
Speaker 2: and there you go.
Speaker 1: All right, you want this one?
Speaker 3: Bobs? Sure? Dean Kohler, Hey, guys, love the show. I
Speaker 3: hear about settings near homesteads and small villages in the
Speaker 3: mountains and woods. But with city expansion and humans moving
Speaker 3: and living closer and closer to their habitats, how there
Speaker 3: have been any credible settings of reports from cities? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean around the Detroiter like where they had all
Speaker 3: that just abound buildings and fact, you know, like facilities
Speaker 3: like manufacturing, plants and housing. There's been reports there. And
Speaker 3: then Washington State has a lot of stuff, I mean
Speaker 3: right outside of Atlanta. I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 3: a lot of cities that have stuff like right on
Speaker 3: the periphery or even like in the town limits in
Speaker 3: some places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially in the newer sort of developments, And it
Speaker 1: seems that a lot of times that's the case, whether
Speaker 1: it's a lone homestead, you know, five miles out, or
Speaker 1: they're building a you know, a three hundred sort of
Speaker 1: home complex outside of the normal bounds. Yeah, it seems
Speaker 1: that that's where those sort of things happen. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think on first season of Finding Bigfoot, in the
Speaker 1: North Carolina episode, the newer development had those those muddy
Speaker 1: footprints running across. Yeah. I think that's a good example
Speaker 1: of that. And there's a couple of cases like that too,
Speaker 1: But it's usually humans moving into their habitat for the
Speaker 1: most part, there were I did have somebody in Washington
Speaker 1: reaching out to me number of years ago. I haven't
Speaker 1: heard from them for a while, so I don't think
Speaker 1: it's still going on. But their little corner of the
Speaker 1: world that was kind of new, like built in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, and they kept having odd tree
Speaker 1: breaks and things and weird noises, so there might have
Speaker 1: been one in that general area. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there's a good history, I guess of these things right
Speaker 1: on the edges. It is a huge misconception that you
Speaker 1: have to go in the middle of nowhere to see
Speaker 1: a sasquatch, like you have to go in the deepest,
Speaker 1: darkest woods, away from everybody, and blah blah blah. Now
Speaker 1: you don't, no, you don't at all, no from where
Speaker 1: I know, I live in the woods, but there are
Speaker 1: probably more than I bet I can count ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen or more citing reports within five miles before I
Speaker 1: am here, or two miles really two miles of where
Speaker 1: I am sitting right now. And of course I know
Speaker 1: I live in the woods, but right on the fringes
Speaker 1: of you know, our little town Sandy, those kinds of
Speaker 1: places have reports, you know, if you just have to
Speaker 1: dig a little bit and talk to the right kinds
Speaker 1: of people, you know. And the reports that I get
Speaker 1: from inside city limits or right on the edge of
Speaker 1: city limits like that usually from like ne'er do well, teenagers,
Speaker 1: you know, drinking or something at midnight on while trespassing.
Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of reports that I pay real
Speaker 1: close attention to because they're so close in and where
Speaker 1: a sasquatch goes once, it certainly goes again right on. Well,
Speaker 1: since we opened with a Bobo centric question to celebrate him,
Speaker 1: I think it's only right that we close with a
Speaker 1: Bobo centric question. Everything's coming up, Bobo, it is, indeed,
Speaker 1: So here is the last written submission for this April
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five Q and A. Allow me to read
Speaker 1: it for you, Bobo. Out of celebration. Sherry Heck asks, Hi, Bobo.
Speaker 1: My seven year old daughter, Hazel is enjoying the Finding
Speaker 1: Bigfoot series. You're her favorite. She wants to know why
Speaker 1: are you called Bobo? Is it because the Swedish Bigfoot
Speaker 1: is called boboklmn Bobo calm is at two l's. It
Speaker 1: is two l's Bobo caln. She also finds it funny
Speaker 1: that you are always the one to reenact Bigfoot in
Speaker 1: the series and wants to know why you are always
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Well, first off, bo means great lover in Italian?
Speaker 1: Is that what it means in Spanish too, uh' So
Speaker 1: I was told.
Speaker 3: It's well, it's spelled in America that's what bobo, but
Speaker 3: over in Europe this what bau bau.
Speaker 2: We should stylize it that way. From now on, it's
Speaker 2: more to type, but it's it's sophisticated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have for those little accent marks on it.
Speaker 1: Bo, Well, you're a man of the world.
Speaker 3: And then uh yeah, well, because I used to when
Speaker 3: I'd go do Bigfoot investigations for the show, like I'd
Speaker 3: always go, you like, put them where they were. Then
Speaker 3: I'd go where it was and say like, well, how
Speaker 3: big does it look compared to me? And eighty five
Speaker 3: percent of the time they'd be like I didn't realize
Speaker 3: how big it was until you went over there. So
Speaker 3: when we were doing the show, I was like, just
Speaker 3: do the same thing. I'll take to hate that. When
Speaker 3: they'd say, like, oh, have a how do someone tell
Speaker 3: you to go there? I'm like, I don't need to
Speaker 3: get told like like I'm getting orders to go do that.
Speaker 3: I'm doing it anyways. But they always wanted to like
Speaker 3: have like Matt or Brene say go stand over there,
Speaker 3: you know, like like I was ordered around like there
Speaker 3: was some you know, just big dummies down there. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it got me, uh, I mean I considered it big
Speaker 3: foot modeling so I could help people that as a
Speaker 3: plus size model.
Speaker 1: Well didn't they call it the Bobo meter in the show?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm pretty sure they used the Bobo meter,
Speaker 1: you know, or something that. I'm sure that was Chad
Speaker 1: Hanmile's input on that one. Chad was the genius behind
Speaker 1: our show. He had such a great sense of humor.
Speaker 3: I was with. I got replaced by Kip Marril though
Speaker 3: a couple of times on a not on the show,
Speaker 3: but like just doing uh stuff, for like a Bluff
Speaker 3: Creek for the Bluff Creek Project, and for another one
Speaker 3: time when we were looking at some bigfoot photos and
Speaker 3: kipstid in. They picked Kip over me and I was
Speaker 3: the guy's seventeen times big for the year. So I
Speaker 3: couldn't say too much, but it hurt a little bit.
Speaker 1: Is he Hazel Heck's favorite? I don't think so.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, beat it, Kip, Hazel, You're a smart kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Hazel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very very nice to get that kind of compliment that,
Speaker 1: you know, someone says that you're their favorite when I'm
Speaker 1: told that someone says, hey, Cliff, quite nice to meet you. Whatever,
Speaker 1: You're my favorite on the show. My canned response is,
Speaker 1: I am also my favorite on the show. But then
Speaker 1: I go on to say, but don't tell Bobo Bobo
Speaker 1: thinks he's my favorite.
Speaker 3: I just a feel old money Baker back because he
Speaker 3: makes me laugh the most.
Speaker 1: He is funnier than all of us put together. Sometimes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, well there it is. There's a
Speaker 1: closing question on another episode of our Q and A
Speaker 1: here really really appreciate all your questions and stuff. Bobo,
Speaker 1: do you have anything coming up you want to push
Speaker 1: or anything or tell everybody? I got a couple of things.
Speaker 3: If you don't, I was just gonna say I should tell, like, uh, actually,
Speaker 3: real story is my name as a kid was Jimbo.
Speaker 3: And then I we saw that movie Jumbo, so my
Speaker 3: older brother would started calling me Jimbo Jumbo the big
Speaker 3: fat Dumbo, and I would be like, don't call me that.
Speaker 3: So then he started calling me jim Bobo. And then
Speaker 3: our extra neighbor of Danny Paul Zotto started calling me Bobo,
Speaker 3: and like Bobo Bolinski the wrestler, old wrestler. If became
Speaker 3: bo because of course I hated it, so that made
Speaker 3: it stick. I just wouldn't send anything a little one
Speaker 3: away after a week or two. So it stuck for
Speaker 3: a long time.
Speaker 1: And now you finally accepted your fate.
Speaker 3: When I was in my twenties, I accepted it.
Speaker 1: You turned it around. Turn it around on those bullies.
Speaker 1: You can no longer be bullied for that. For that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: smart of them. Yeah, I remember I once asked you
Speaker 1: about spelling it or whatever, and you said, bo bo.
Speaker 1: You spell it like you smell it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was with you.
Speaker 1: You were still are.
Speaker 3: Thank you. And I've got any thing the hype coming up.
Speaker 1: Note, well, this coming weekend, I'm going to be in
Speaker 1: ESS's Park, Colorado. There's something going on there on the
Speaker 1: twenty fifth and twenty sixth. I guess the s S
Speaker 1: Park Bigfoot Days is what it's called. You can go.
Speaker 1: I don't know where you can go. Just look up
Speaker 1: S's Park Bigfoot stuff on Google and you'll find it
Speaker 1: pretty quick. It's a fun festival, it's in a beautiful setting.
Speaker 1: It's really high altitude actually compared to most of these
Speaker 1: things I know that's snowed a couple of years and
Speaker 1: it's an outside festival, so we'll see what happens. Hopefully
Speaker 1: the weather holds for us. I did this gig a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. It was a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: really really cool, little town, really pretty stuff. This is
Speaker 1: a neat, neat festival to do, as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: So come on out and see that one. The week
Speaker 1: after I'm in Ohio for the Ohio Bigfoot Conference. Oh
Speaker 1: I guess I should mention. I think like Russ and
Speaker 1: Moray are going to be at the ss Park thing
Speaker 1: from that expedition Bigfoot show. I don't know who else
Speaker 1: is going to be there. I don't really have access
Speaker 1: to that information. I just show up and do my thing.
Speaker 1: I figure once I get on the plane, I'm no
Speaker 1: longer my responsibility.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the website here for Ohio Bigfoot Conference.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a fun time. Renee is going
Speaker 1: to be out there. That's why it's a good time
Speaker 1: to see Renee. Doctor Meldrum of course is going to
Speaker 1: be there. Shelley coming to Montana, Estebond is going to
Speaker 1: be their es bons Armientos. We have two PhDs in
Speaker 1: residence at this one, and Seth breedlove of course from
Speaker 1: small Town Monsters. Yeah and there. Oh and I guess
Speaker 1: looking ahead May thirty first, I'm going to be in Stanton,
Speaker 1: Kentucky at the Red River Gorge Bigfoot Festival. Also speaking
Speaker 1: is Doctor Meldrim, The Mountain Monster Dudes will love me.
Speaker 1: Some Mountain Monsters are going to be out there, love
Speaker 1: the show. Charlie Raymond's going to be out there. Tom
Speaker 1: Shay is supposedly going to be out there. I hope
Speaker 1: that works out for him. Last time I spoke to him.
Speaker 1: There are some issues about some stuff you may have
Speaker 1: to take care of, but that's that's what's on the
Speaker 1: schedule right now, so we'll see about that. Well, there
Speaker 1: you have it. There, there's some appearances, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to be at doctor Meldrim's at a couple of these things.
Speaker 1: Renee is going to be Yeah, maybe I'll see them.
Speaker 1: If you do come out to say hello, make sure
Speaker 1: you actually do this saying hello part. Come to the table,
Speaker 1: say hi. Say you appreciate the podcast. Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. It makes it worthwhile.
Speaker 3: Yep. Well, yeah, so you got anything coming up now
Speaker 3: you need to disclose.
Speaker 2: Not until later in the summer. So I will hold
Speaker 2: off until all that stuff is live and there's links
Speaker 2: I can put in the show notes. But until then,
Speaker 2: I'm heading to the woods this Thursday through Sunday, so
Speaker 2: hopefully i'll have something cool to report the next time
Speaker 2: we get behind the microphones.
Speaker 3: Nice, nice, Well, all right, I've headed out on what's
Speaker 3: myself tomorrow, so's cliff. Hopefully you all out there are
Speaker 3: gonna do the same. Hope you get some wood times in.
Speaker 3: It's springtime is getting beautiful out there, So until next week,
Speaker 3: y'all keep it squatchy.
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