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Speaker 9: Story Waters, Welcome back to the Jay Burton Show. How
you doing then?
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me back. Happy to be here.
Speaker 9: Yeah, man, it's hard to believe this is only that
third time you've appeared on my show now a little
over a year. But you and I have been talking
in the background for a long time, and the two
of us together have kind of concocted something that I
think is worth discussing. I mean, you sort of came
up with a name for it right before we went live,
the Republican Samson option before we get into it. So
I know how many comments. Yes, I know, my audio
asn't as good. I'm traveling, I'm on the road, and
so instead of my normal studio, which is just a
spare bedroom, in my normal microphone, I'm on AirPods in Airbnb. Nonetheless,
I thought this was important enough to get into it
a little bit of background, and then I'll toss it
to Stormy. I've been really confused for a while about
the term woke right because my mind I couldn't figure
out why it still had legs, because it was really stupid.
It didn't make sense. It wasn't a good meme. It
was lazily employed that everyone really other than arch zionist
conservative warmongers was woke right. Scott Wharton and Thomas seven
seven to seven have almost nothing in common except for
the fact that they were both quote unquote quoke right. Oh.
I guess they both know Daryl Cooper, so maybe they
have something in common, but in all seriousness, I couldn't
really figure it out. And this particularly relates to the
figure of one jam Lindsay's. Obviously, to me, it seemed
that he realized that the woke left grift was up.
He needed something new to justify his position. But I
couldn't figure out why he was so aggressively going after everyone,
making himself completely unpopular until I realized something. Particularly, I
realized this with Tucker's turn, or at least Tucker's dramatic
turn on Israel, because I realized there was an equivocation
being set up. Pucker is woke, right, Okay, that makes sense.
There's a desire to paint him and anyone else, you know,
questioning the foreign policy establishment with that label. All right,
fair enough, But then more pieces started to fall into place. Obviously,
you had Nick Wentz appearing on Tucker, which created a
massive flipout, and he was woke rin And then it
became Nick for one, Tez has got your kids. He
has not just your kids, but Republican staffers, anyone new
and upcoming in your organization. They're associated with one tes
they're woke, right. Not only that, but Pucker, he's woke
write and you know who's connected all of this, Vice
President JD.
Speaker 2: Vance.
Speaker 9: Huh, that's a weird kind of crimson thread there, if
you will, you know, building out the conspiracy map. And
then there were more details sort of associated with it.
For instance, you remember during the the sort of homosexually
named Operation Midnight Hammer, all of the criticism was being
directed towards Vance and HEGSAF again an interesting point. Now
other things started to fall into place. First, I noticed
that if you remember, Marjorie Taylor Green decided not to run.
She's a safe seat, right She's been feuding with the president,
but there's no reason to assume she'd lose her primary.
She's relatively popular. And you start to look at it
and you're saying, like, well, wait a minute, why is
she dropping out?
Speaker 2: Why does she?
Speaker 9: Is she retiring at least of the moment from politics.
And another point, and Stormy, you and I have been
talking about this behind the scenes. Why didn't the GOP
try in Virginia? I mean, look like it would have
been a tough race, no matter why. But at least
according to my behind the scenes sources, there were other
much better candidates, people who could have made a really
good run of it instead of Wilson Earl Sears, who
a year and a half ago, anyone with a brain
told you had no chance of winning. Look, you have
a Republican governor that was massively popular, almost a sixty
percent approval rating in a purple state, which is very good,
and still had that an exit puling, and yet his
designated successor lost by you know, an absurd margin of victory,
even with any number of prominent scandals like j Jodens
saying I'm going to kill your kids. So I couldn't
figure out why, Like, why isn't the Republican Party try
Why are they almost deliberately sort of sabotaging themselves? And
so my theory, and after I've finished out letting this,
i'll kick it back to Stormy is basically this is
a struggle for the GOP after Trump, And in my mind,
I think what we're seeing is the neo conservatives trying
to regain control of the party. Now, look, Trump is
obviously sort of slavishly devoted to our our strongest ally right.
That needs to type that out in the comments, I'm aware.
But what's interesting to me is obviously that the old
neocons are not happy with the populist direction of the party.
They're particularly uninterested in letting JD. Vans, who is associated
with a different group right, the sort of tech elite,
anywhere near the help. I think it's what is likely
to me is it seems as if the Republican Party
is or a faction within it, is deliberately trying to
sabotage their chances and elections. Why would they do that? Well,
to be honest, it seems as if and you can
see this from even figures like Brillin Hollyhand if I
do hope we'll come on my podcast. I've sent him
a nice email. But he wrote a piece about the
woke right and what he said, Oh, he didn't say much,
and he's nineteen any some particular intelligent anyway, But what
he basically said is the woke right is going to
cost us elections. That is what's going to happen if
these voices are allowed. If we don't do what Mark
Levin said, which is canceled them the same way we
canceled Joe Sober In the same way we canceled Sam Francis,
the same way we canceled Patty. Can't they're going to
cost us an election. So what happens. Let's say an
election is lost and badly, which it is likely to
be given current trends, given the ineffectual nature of the
Trump administration, they are going to be punished. And I
will say I think it is unlikely that people flip.
I think people will just stay home, similar to what
happened with the Conservative Party in the UK. But I
think that there will be, whether manufactured or not, an
electoral crisis for the GOP. They'll get smashed hard, and
what will be the narrative. The narrative will be, oh,
we let ourselves get too extreme. The same extreme that
we saw on the woke left has now appeared on
our side, the woke right, and it's time to clean house.
We've seen it happen before. Now, admittedly the state of
play has changed. The neocons are nowhere near as ascendant
as they were thirty years ago. They're going to give
a run of it. They're definitely going to give a
run of it. And I think the motivation is twofold,
which is one to sort of knit what they see
to be a real threat to their control in the
butt a new burgeoning interest group, the pekalite with people
like again who I don't like, but are not necessarily
synonymous with desionists, cause people like Teal, people like the
backers behind Muss or behind certain vans, and so to me,
I think that is the move. I think figures like
Jimbo Corky, as he's been sort of affectionately labeled, is auditioning.
He is auditioning for the Bill Buckley role, the man
who decides what is acceptable within discourse, and not another
person auditioning for that role is one Barry White's, who
you may remember, managed to get nearly half a billion
dollars for a substack. Okay, it's a popular substack, but
it is not that big. Believe. Now she's at the
head of ABC, and she said something this morning. I've
sent it to a group chat that we share story
that she wants to, in her words, define the quote
forty yards of acceptable discourse the narrow band, and she
wants to kick off people like Tucker, like Nick, like Hassan,
who you know, okay, fair enough, isn't my favorite guy
in the world, but kick them off and replace them with,
to quote her, highly charismatic figures like Alan Dershowitz, an
eighty eight year old man deeply connected to Jeffrey Epstein,
who defended himself from allegations that he was on those
flights by saying, yes, I did get a massage, but
I kept my underwear on, and described the person on
the Lolita Express who get him said massage as a
old woman named Olga. Don't know if I believe that.
So that is what I see happening. I see that effectively,
the Conservatives are acting how they always do, which is
the hook trailing behind the left, designed to scoop up
any stragglers, designed to keep you back on the plantation,
as it were. And so anyway, story, I realized I
brought you on my show and then ranted at you
for ten unbroken minutes, but I figured i'd at least
set out what I see happening.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a good thing. I agree with you, because
this is from everything I hear, is exactly what's happening.
And to put it back, to rewind it back earlier
into your monologue, which was a very good one. What
do all those figures have in common? Right? The people
that all of a sudden sprouted up with this terrible
terrible meme like woke, right, and you said, like why
they landed on this particular turn of phrase. You know,
it's it's confusing because it's a terrible meme out of
the gate. But all of the people that they have
on their back bench, Brett Weinstein, James Lindsay, Joel Berry,
actually the entire institution of the Babylon b they all
got famous for combating woke in the first place. In fact,
woke is the only thing that they have as a
claim to fame. The only relevance they have in the
discourse at all is being experts at diagnosing wokeness. So
if all you had were these fats, well, were these
fine gentlemen, what could be the only direction you go?
You're very welcome. It's the only direction you can take
if these are the people that you have in your toolbox,
which would have been weird, Like, okay, maybe they came
up with this themselves. They have like little meetings about
how do we stay relevant and get my ad bucks
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all push? I can't remember.
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Speaker 2: But then Benjaminett and Yahoo on several occasions comes out
one of it to Congress, the other one to PBS
I believe or something like that. He goes, you know
what the problem is with your American political dialogue right now?
It's this woke right, you guys have a real woke,
right problem. I was like, all right, once maybe I
don't know who runs his Twitter, but maybe somebody told
him about it. But like four or five times again,
like almost the point where he's like directing the discourse
for him to talk about it, and the yeah, the plan,
the Samson option of the Republican Party. Holly Hand is
not the only one that has penned such an article
saying that if in the event we lose an election,
maybe this most coming up, it is going to be
the fault of these people and no other. And then
shortly after that you have The New York Times giving
what I can only describe as fillatio to Nicholas J.
Fuentez twice was it?
Speaker 10: Was it?
Speaker 2: Two cover stories? And the New York Times knows how
to make you look ugly. They are specialists in it,
and they must have dug for weeks to find the
one flattering photo where Nick Fuines looks like, you know,
chisel chinned Chad in a leather jacket. It's kind of
funny because right at the same time as Tucker drops
the interview, less than six hours later, that cover story
was loaded up in the hopper Ready to Go came
out the same day, which is odd, right, And if
you think about you know, because all right, what was
the first six what was the first like one hundred
and twenty days of the Trump administration? Like it was
just bangers after bangers. It was really good. The trump
first ninety days of Trump two point zero was fun
Like everyone we hated cried, and then all of a
sudden it stopped, and then it got really really really
gay really quickly, and it was almost like he Trump
was because in order for the Republicans to lose, in
order for this plan to work, you have to basically
turn the base against Donald Trump because you can't wait
till twenty twenty eight. You have to do twenty twenty six.
It has to be the midterms because two things. One,
if you let Trump and Dvance do Trump and Vance
stuff till till twenty twenty eight, you have a defacto
you know, thousand year Vance Reich. It's happening, right. If
you just sat back and didn't you know, do things
and how you would do those things. I'll get into
in a moment with some interesting news that was broken
on the Inquisition podcast. The other thing you would have
to do is make sure that this didn't go very
wrong for you, because the other people that hate our
Middle Eastern allies as much as probably the woke right
does is like the crazy the crazy left, which is
now also ascendant in the Democratic Party. So you wouldn't
want to toss a big election right like let's say
twenty twenty eight and give it to you know, the libtards.
You would want to do the midterms because at if
the Republicans lose the midterms, what it does is create
a locked government, right, so like you know, because it
won't happen in the Senate, it will only happen in
the House. So you basically have paralyzed the Congress. So
those crazed, you know, palestinioid people, they can't really do
any damage because you want them to rise, but only
in so much as you want Republicans in the Senate
to fall down or sorry, in Congress to fall down, right,
you don't want like a leftoid sweep or else. You're
just in just as much trouble. But they opposite direction.
But now, how do you make Trump lose the base? Well,
who gets control of what Trump does and who Trump sees.
That's Miss Susie Wiles. Who is Miss Susie Wiles. Susie
Wiles is the former campaign director of the same guy
that was on TV talking about the woke right, mister
Benjamin Nett Yahoo, the prime minister of a place in
the Middle East. So wait a second, the guy that's
worried about the woke right the most. And you know, Jay,
I'll toss it back to you here momentarily because I
know you are a James Lindsay expert. It is a
personal fascination of yours, not just his appearance, which is
by itself fascinating, or that you know he has an
open marriage and literally sits in a cuckchair, has children
with only fans. Like I mean, like the fascination with
James Lindsay, you know, can really tumble one down a
rabbit hole. But in particular to his connections or in
his assent to the same nation to which Susie Wiles
directed the campaign of its current incumbent head of state.
So Susie Wiles as broken on the inquisition podcast by
one Darryl Cooper, also known as Martyer, made excellent podcast.
Everyone should be following already that Susie Wiles is basically
running who gets to see Trump, who doesn't get to
see Trump, What Trump does, what Trump doesn't do, And
if anyone wants like an ad hoc, you know, like,
can he squeeze me into the schedule For that to happen,
you need to a give Susie Wiles forty thousand dollars
to her foundation, or if you want repeated access to
the president, you can get a discount if you buy
twelve months all at once for a total and a
bargain at two hundred thousand dollars. So okay, we're going
to send. If what could be you know said about
Donald Trump is true that he will literally repeat the
opinions of whoever the last person he was talking about
or talking to, you could do a lot of damage
with that alone. And it seems that people have kind
of sussed this out inside the administration and apparently as
of yesterday, Susie Wiles might be in the hot seat
and might get fired by New Year's So there is
besides Daryl's very founded accusation there seems to be confirmatory
evidence happening in the machinations of the Trump administration. So
in order for you to lose the midterms and blow
up the Republican Party like the Samson option, you would
need a key component of this would be to lose,
for Trump to lose support of a large enough amount
of the base that they stay home.
Speaker 9: What are your thoughts, Yeah, so several things there. I
think it's important to say. And obviously this is sort
of implicit in everything you and I have said, Stormy
that we are not like Republican Party guys like look
like I don't really particularly care about the Republican Party
per se, that I'm not really like emotionally invested in,
you know, the GOP. But nonetheless does in my mind
answer several questions, which is one to me, asstuon, as
Trump won the election, the question is who comes next?
And how do the new sort of elite groups which
in the GOP, how do they fight it out? Because early,
and you know, I think I was skeptical and then
very positive about you know, the first couple of months
of the Trump administration, no one knew right, no one
knew who was effectively going to come out on top
because look like we understand, you know, any political party
has multiple factions within it, and for the longest time,
you know, Israel was the big dog in the GOP. Obviously,
there are other concerns. You know, you look at a
guy like Rex Tillerson, he's domestic energy, you know, Okay,
he probably likes Israel a good bit, but not one
hundred percent synonymous. But this new infusion of pet guys
sort of an interesting thing.
Speaker 14: Ah.
Speaker 9: Now, I will say I still think it is up
in the air. Right. There is a very real possibility
that the tech bros went out in this. There are
a couple of reasons I.
Speaker 2: Want to say.
Speaker 9: I want to say that, Which is one, let's look
at the last time the neo cons and I I
use that term in the most I guess, the most
insulting way possible. Look at the last time they won
out over their opposition. We'll go back to the mid nineties.
So what was happening then, Okay, one Cold War was
done and many of the Cold warriors, the Cannon included,
basically said, all right, war is done. We go back
to being a real country again. This is basically with
the disagreement was over do we continue to have a
world empire or RBA country? Again, vastly oversimplifying it. And
let's look at the position that the neo conservatives were in.
If you're looking for reference on this, there's probably twenty
minutes at the kind of two thirds mark my show
with Scott Wharton where we talk about Dick Cheney, where
we go over exactly this. Well, the neo coms controlled
an immense amount of institutions. Okay, they still do from
a certain perspective, and as you and I no doubt
a where story, they have successfully at least it seems
like re established their control over heritage. Now there are
other institutions in which they are not in charge. Is
I has has made you know, some some motions towards
our guys. Okay, not necessarily my best friend, I don't
love is I. That's one you have, You have others TPUSA.
We could talk about the point is okay. So it's
on one hundred percent the same. They still have power there.
But also the thing that they certainly do not have
is media agemony.
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Speaker 9: Well, look, they have Fox News, and I think it's
important to say that it seems as if, you know,
Fox News is interested in amplifying this, because we see
across the pond that the Murdoch properties are amplifying the
same thing. In England, they're trying to present the young
English right, you know, nationalists, people who are anti immigration
as being woke, right and connected.
Speaker 2: One take.
Speaker 9: Now, I realize thanks to a new feature rolled out
on Twitter, we're aware of the fact that not all
of vue Testa's audience is within the contiguous US. We
understand that, we've understood that for a while. But unless
I'm wrong, and I don't think I am, he's not
nearly as big of a deal in the UK as
he is here. Makes sense, it's not really what he
talks about, but nonetheless, that is the line they're going with.
They're playing the exact same playbook. And you know, the
conservative quote unquote media in the UK seems as if
they're using that excuse me as a way to scare
off older voters and older donors, both connected to Murdoch,
So that's one. Obviously theyn't control some media, but they're
getting hillar eat, especially with the under forty crowd. And
I think it's particularly interesting the degree to which they're
trying to instill an inbuilt distrust among boomers towards young people,
basically saying those young people, the young men trying to
work their way into your institutions are up to no good.
They're infiltrators, they're anti semites. Because I think that that
was a clever tactical response to the fact that, be honest,
even Rod Dreyer recognizes this young GOP staffers are our guys.
I mean, they're probably you know, half a dozen of
them listening to what I'm saying. Now, I've met a
good number of them. You hear people say this.
Speaker 2: About hello boys, the good work.
Speaker 9: Yeah, one hundred percent. But I think that's very interesting
because I think that they realize that they have a
personnel problem. They've lost the youth, and the move they
seem to be making is just to say, well, we
don't need a youth, we can just ask them out.
And I think in their minds that solves their problem
at best, that say, they get everything they want that boomers,
you know, the older generations are constantly, you know, scrapping
their own backbench, constantly you know, purity spiraling, you know,
as Levin say, hell, yes we do cancel culture. Well, okay,
that may solve your problem in the short term, but
long term it does not. And so in my mind, ultimately,
I do not think they will be able to put
the toothpaste back in the tube. I do not think
they will be able to win in the same way
they won back in the mid nineties. Paul Godfrey has
an essay I'm not sure if it's out yet or
not he sent me an advanced copy, and I do
owe him an email thanking him for that. Talking about
exactly this. You can look at it chronicles. Godfrid has
written about this any number of times, but basically talking
about the fact that the neo cons are sort of
sent They don't nearly have the same level of cultural
cachet that they used to do. They don't have the
same level of cultural dominance that they used to. And
let's also be honest, they don't have the same level
of talent they used to. We have an immense amount
of talent and they're incredibly artificial. We saw this with Shapiro,
right the moment Shapiro actually has to argue, he falls
apart because he's not real. You've got an immense amount
of backing, he got an immense amount of advantages you
or I might not have, and he's used to fighting.
Let's be honest, ninety five IQ college freshmen, people who
don't really have any ideas at all, and you're here
to fight the badman, and they go up against a
a fast talking individual with an id education who can
rattle off a few talking points and they get bondied.
But that's not real there's not a real political dialectic.
You saw this when his vain attempt to try to
take down Tucker and Fluentes both. He just threw random
clips together, no argument, mean lud at the camera. So
in my mind, they certainly can and likely will succeed
in crashing the party in twenty six or twenty eight.
I see that as being very likely. But as far
as actually maintaining like a living conservative movement, as much
as that exists, to me, that's that's laughable, it's absurd.
I don't see it happening quite simply because they are
offering nothing to a rising generation. And when I mean nothing,
I mean literally nothing. Let's acknowledge the fact that at
the same time we are having this woke right discourse.
You know, the youth are coming for you. You need
to get rid of them. We're also having a discourse
about costs of living, right Ben Shapiro saying you don't
have the right to live, or you grew up, you
don't have the right to your ancestral land. Now, admittedly,
I think even he would admit this. He has different
feelings about land to which he feels that he has
a genetic attachment obviously then you have said that. But
really you're doing the exact same thing, ironically enough, that
the left did, which is say, young white men need
not apply. The only way you can be part of
our thing, part of our coalition, is by being gay.
And in the left this is literally gay. On the
right it is gay in a derogatory sense. But nonetheless,
you were offering people a horrible deal, a transparently horrible deal.
And to me that's the thing that has really come
out of this, which is, Look, we understand most people
are not particularly politically sophisticated. Right nerds like us may
read books most people don't about, you know, eighteenth century
Italian political philosophers, and to be honestly, they're probably better
for it. But most people act in their self interest,
and when they perceive they're being given a very raw deal,
they react accordingly. Look, I'm not a populist. I don't
think that there's a people power element, that there will
be some sort of seventeen seventy six. But I think
that fundamentally, ruling classes need to be seen as legitimate
by the people with which they rule. They need to
have a sense of moral alignment, and I think that
for many people on the right, particularly Americans, the absolute
slavish devotion their leaders have not to them but to
a small quote unquote Middle Eastern democracy over everything else
is completely and totally absurd. And the idea that we
can simply go back, that we can go back to
the nineties, which we've roundly mocked the liberals for the
idw liberals, the true liberals, as you might say, is
just as absurd when a conservative says it. And so
to be honest, you know, I think these people are
completely and totally dooped. I mean, look like, sure, there's
a lot of in a nation. And in the same
way that they are seeming to be desirous to crash
the Republican Party, there's a lot of things they can
crash that would make your or my life particularly difficult.
Speaker 2: If you notice they've been threatening, oh really, like for
the very first for the very first time, you're seeing
in the discourse, Oh well, if America abandons a Middle
Eastern democracy, it will fall apart, it will collapse. Terrible
things will happen to it if it abandons this Middle
Eastern democracy. And then Mike Cuckabee today, who very ignominiously
decided to have a lovely reception party for one of
the most disgusting traders and spies, most damaging spies in
the last easily since the Rosenberg's trend there. I don't
know what to make of the trend, but you know,
inspies and names surnames. But he said, when basically asked
about why he decided to have a lovely reception for
Jonathan Pollard, it was America can't abandon this Middle Eastern
democracy because if it does, they will come after us.
Excuse me what? And I think that this is the
part of the discourse that at least is happening with them,
where there's a portion of their cohort that is further
out front than those trying to save it. And by
save it, I mean detonating the GOP. They're the ones
kind of prepping for, you know, the American Samson option.
I guess you could say, because I think you're right,
mister Burden, I think there is really no way that
they pull out of this, because there was a lot
of when when did it happen? There was a lot
of commotion on Twitter about six or eight months back,
and they really clamped the hammer down hard on the discourse,
and many people were black pilling. I think this is
at the time, as you know, they were trying to
authenticate everyone and there was a big push for the
removal of anonymity, and everyone was really upset and basically like, oh,
we are going to live under a Middle Eastern democracy panopticon.
And I try to tell everybody that that may be true,
but for the very first time, and why you see
them freaking out and making so many unforced errors, which
there are so many, They're under a panopticon now too,
for the very first time. Like we just talked about,
like what institutions they have control over, and I would
argue that the institutions that they have control over become
severely limited and substantially damaged in their efficacy and value
by their very control over them. So basically, in this
rise of anti Semitism that Barry Weiss and Ben Shapiro
are intent on fighting against, the best way they could
think of doing that is having a very large forum
with all of the key neocons quote unquote from all
aspects of government, finance, business, civil society, and from both
sides of the aisle. So basically we're gonna get all
of the neocons left and right, all right, Uh, public
and private, and we're gonna put them all in a
room and we're gonna call it. It's like the JWC
or WJC. I think it stands for World Neocon Council.
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Speaker 4: Call sensibly.
Speaker 2: And we're going to have big panel discussions about how
we're going to solve these problems. And basically they lay
out exactly what you and I just laid out as hypotheticals,
not so much the tanking of the midterms on purpose,
but everything up to that point, and then in the
hypotheticals we approached afterwards. And their bright idea is to
live stream this on YouTube for all of us to
turn into hot clips. They're not used to operating under
any type of scrutiny, and now that the scrutiny is applied,
these institutions become meaningless. They tried to clamp down on heritage.
Speaker 17: They did.
Speaker 2: All they did was blow up heritage and everybody knew
why it was blowing up. Wait, can't I can't say
notice abot in dinner when I'm a Catholic? Are you
forcing me to really to obey you?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 2: What's going on now? So they, in their attempt to
control these institutions, they destroy the credibility of these institutions.
And they don't understand that nature abhors a vacuum. Because
let's say they tanked the Republican Party. A Republican Party
is dead, there is no more gop on the ballot.
What rises in its place? And will that be far worse?
They do this every time, like if you if you
cancel guys, like let's say Mark Levin got his wish lists,
you cancel Tucker, Carlson and Nick what rises in their place?
Speaker 9: Well, exactly. And I think that this is an interesting
point when we regard the term woke right, because in
my mind, there's sort of this typical back and forth
pivot where you could use the left as sort of
cultural acid, the same which you might say one one
might say. And then at the point where you know,
that language of privilege started to get uncomfortable, you could
pivot back to the right, you know, back and forth.
But that depended on a controlled left and a completely
and totally controlled right. Now, look, we got to understand
the left is not our friends. You know, they don't
want the same thing as us, But the thing is
ultimately given the sort of inevitable trend of left wing
politics and eventually sort of becomes cancerous and uncontrollable. Right
at a certain point, you can't control the rate at
which acid eats away at your foundation anymore. It's just going.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 9: And I think this is the explanation for the intense
crackdowns we saw across the you know, the world of
higher education with regard to the you know, the Palestinian
protests right. Yeah, sure, from a certain level they were
able to get what they wanted done. But there are
still and I don't think this is a good thing
populations which are uncorrallable for that. You know, they're bringing
in people from places in the world who have a
long rooted distaste for neocons.
Speaker 2: How about we leave it at that.
Speaker 9: So there's that right, that that is is I think,
from a certain perspective, escaping their control. Now on the right,
they've been able to say, you know, look at these
crazy you don't want that, right, so you better, you know,
you better basically oppose them, And well, they don't like this,
so you must like it, and sort of use that
back and forth. And we see that already. Right, the
the language of woke right is to tie us he
woke right to the crazy blue hair feminists right, to
sort of pull on that Pavlovian response to say, treat
them the same way. But there are several problems here. One,
as you've said, uh, that that pattern depends on their
their influence being largely subtle on the scene. And the
problem is, and look, we'll give Tuckers as many as
well as many other people credit. It's sort of hit
escape velocity, Like, I'm sorry at the point where you
have you know, figures like Sean Ryan, who I certainly
have my questions about, given his meteoric rise to fame
and self admitted history of CIA drug trafficking. Right, Well,
when you have his the USS Liberty, yeah, you know,
just you sort of fall into it, right, I mean
I've done it before. You go on vacation, you come
back at drug kingpin, you know, like he was without sin.
Speaker 2: Every time I go on vacation, I have to fight
off the urge to not come back at drug kingpin. Typically,
I could see how a man would fall into it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a you know, it's it's a regular stumbling block.
But point is when you have someone like that talking
to you know, sailors aboard the USS Liberty, when you
have Tucker, when you have Hell, I mean even someone
is you know, relatively unseious as comedians like theo Ha
right talking about Israel, Like, you have hit the level
of saturation, right, especially among people of a certain age. Now,
this is a critique I'll throw at you story. I
don't necessarily share this, but I think it's an interesting one.
You You you see people saying, well, look, the reason
that odious figures people that you know, some particularly older
people have an instinctive reaction, are being mainstreamed by the
New York Times, But others such such as you know
Candas Owens, are being massively pushed is to tar and
feather anyone associated with those ideas. They're saying, oh, well,
the reason they're promoting, uh, they're promoting you know, people
like Candas Owans is to create the association between you know,
her claiming that Bridget mccrawn is a man that the
French government hired people to kill her, in the same
breath as she says things like, you know, the US
has an undue level of deference to Israel. Do you
think that that is accurate? Do you think that there
is a desire to basically promote deliberately stupid versions to
create sort of the loose change narrative if you will surrender.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've said it before, I'll say it again. Our
enemy always elevates the counterparty it wishes to fight, and
not the one that wants to fight it.
Speaker 9: I mean, you see this with Richard Spencer for example, Yep.
Speaker 2: Dicky Spencer as Thomas Triple seven calls it who on
a old Glory Club I believe Election Nights special said
the funniest thing in the world, which I will not
repeat here, but Shaky.
Speaker 9: Spencer, Honestly, you're talking to actually someone who will probably
be on the podcast immediately after this, Timelight Earth, which
I think is possibly the best comedy pairing in history,
the two of them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you podcast, I would listen.
Speaker 9: You can dig back through a listener and uh, find
what we're referring to anyway, or how do we.
Speaker 2: Set up how do we set up the Bird Thomas
Tripple seven podcasts. I would listen to Bird Comedy Hour.
I would I would drop whatever I was doing.
Speaker 9: That there's like a fifty to fifty shot that would
either be a conversation about like the most like raunchy,
like horrible slot culture from the twentieth century or a
very aeradyte discussion of like tomistic philosophy. And genuinely I'm
not sure which one it would be, and I think
that would make it interesting. But in all seriously, because.
Speaker 2: You get both.
Speaker 9: As someone's who's built a middling online business over mixing
incredible series incredibly stupid topics together, there is an audience
for it. But to get back to the subject of hand,
that idea of pushing the enemy they wish to fight,
I think is an interesting one. And look like I'm
always interested to see that pattern repeated, like one of
the examples that I don't want to just love bombs. Yeah, yeah,
actually that's a that's a very good one, right, this
sort of like cartoonishly racist figure. You know, who's whose odious?
You know, just kind of on on like first lift.
Another one I would say is Alex Jones, right, someone
who did genuine rapporting on something like uh, you know,
Bohemian Grove and in many cases is not is directionally
completely correct, but he becomes the you know, they're turning
the frogs gay, which is I mean not literally true,
but there are chemicals in the water that are doing
weird things to the reproduction of frogs. It's just when
you get a fat man to get red in the
face and chimp out while screaming about it, that becomes
a ridiculous thing to say.
Speaker 2: And look what, look what, Nick, this is kind of done.
Since his elevation, he has kind of cucked on you
know a lot of things about you know, remigration, things
like that, but he's kept the one thing he's kept
steady is you know this combative nature with the neo
konoccupied government and its nature, but at the same time
attacking late you know, people like Marjorie Taylor Green, which
is it's just very illogical behavior. Right. So, like I
think my first podcast appearance with you, we talked about
information asymmetry and kind of how like investors think. And
one of the things you do is you got to
find out where to look and what information matters. So
if you have a little mental map of how the
world works, how things work, and then you something that
makes absolutely no sense, right, like this does not work
in my model of things. That means that there is
something happening that you don't understand because it obviously is
happening you can see it. So that means there is
a piece of information that you are not aware of,
and that tells you where to look because of everything
just operated according to a plan, so to speak. Right,
that tells you your model is working. You know all
the things. There's nothing outside of your strategic vintage point
that you need addressing, and there's certain things about how
and what issues or what hills he chooses to die
on that I find incongruous. It's the same thing with
the woke right, Like, Okay, this is a term without
a definition. It is laughably bad and it is happening
at the eddy of these people's particular, these messengers' credibility.
So why like this does not make sense in my model,
And I think there is a lot with the people
who have kind of become the scapecoat.
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Speaker 2: So to speak of this woke, right, miss, If you
can't attack Tucker, which you can't, He's the most popular
media figure literally in the world right now. And you
can't attack the Vice president of the United States, right
even though you know he may have these ideas in private,
there is no evidence that he has them in public
or else you would have made that evidence public already.
You wouldn't have waited this long. You would have done
that before he ended up in the VPC. Well, then
you need to create people that are attackable, that are odious.
I'm not saying Nicholas J. F went this is one
of these people. He probably isn't, right, But if you
can't create them, or you don't want to create them,
you go out and find them and you elevate them.
These people don't have to be in on the plan,
right Donald Trump doesn't know that, you know he Donald
Trump isn't part of the Let's Tank. The twenty twenty
six election plan. I mean, maybe he's aware of it
now that he wants to fire Susie Wiles before New
Year's But only person you needed in that entire administration
to know the plan was Susie Wiles. Everybody else is
just muddling through it, you know, doing their day to day,
none the wiser. So anybody from Candice Owens to Fluentez
doesn't actually have to be privy to this or in
on it in any way for it to work.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's something to that as you sort
of round out the sclur. There's somebody else to ask you, because.
Speaker 2: We should talk about Marjorie Taylor Green resigning and all
of the other Republican congressmen saying that they're going to resign. Yeah,
I think this actually further proves your idea that they're
trying to get out ahead of it, which means we
need to get out of ahead of it too.
Speaker 9: And actually, so I'll just rant for a little bit
while you go fix that. For those who aren't aware,
Marjorie Taylor Green has announced she will be resigning effective
January some thinks of next year, and initially it's kind
of confusing, right, You're trying to figure out, like what's
going on here because she has been feuding with the president,
particularly over Israel. Look, I find Marjorie Taylor Green to
be particularly irritating, so I am far from her greatest fan.
But I didn't really think anything of it until I
saw a tweet from Christopher Sandbatch, who is uniquely insightful,
and he basically said horrible paraphrase. His version of this
was much more intelligent. She has the best advisors ever.
Her advisors see what's happening, that the Republican Party is
going to crash, and she will be able to insulate
herself from that, let the dust settle, and then come
back in untarred by that disaster. So basically, she's taking
a payday. She's going to go out, get on the podcast,
you know, get some money, pick her feet up, and
then wait. Now, look, she's making a bet there. It's
not a sure thing, but I think it's a good bet.
And I think that the reason other people, and this
is rumored, right, we don't have anyone who signed their
line of their name on the dotted line and said
I'm out is basically a desire to skip out on
the bloodbath basically to take your ball and go home
and survive to fight another day. So that's what I
think is going on there, Stormy.
Speaker 2: You can't blame it on the woke right in Congress,
the America First Group hold on.
Speaker 9: Right. You can't blame it on the wolk right if
the Wolke right's gone.
Speaker 2: And so I think that if picks up its ball
and goes home beforehand, which I think gives us a OK.
This is another thing. There are certain other people in
our spheres that I don't know if you've noticed, but
they try and push a blinding allegiance to Trump right,
the refusal for anybody to get off the reservation. And
I think the purpose of that is to keep you
here for the blood path, because that's necessary. If you
picked up your ball and went home, then they can't
use you as a scapegoat. You can't. It doesn't work.
You have to be part of the Trump coalition for
the Trump Coalition to crash and burn. If you are
off the plantation, then they can't blame it on you,
and it is vital that they do. So I think
I think the loyalty, so to speak, is the Trump
loyalty enforcers the people that are very intent on everyone
staying on the Trump train no matter what. And if
you criticize the administration in any way, then you know
you're disloyal. You're part of the problem. I think those
guys are going to get us in a lot of
trouble because I think we should be taking Marjorie Taylor
Green's lead. And I think it's going to involve us
actually like making that decision consciously because not a lot
of people are going to want to do it. It's
going to seem really disloyal. But this takes their ball
away from them.
Speaker 9: Well, and to that point, we already saw this happen
in the UK with the No Seats movement basically desire
to punish the Conservative Party by giving them nothing, by
taking away everything from them. Uh, and look like reform
is certainly compromised. You know, they have their own allegiances
and I think Nigel Farage is too much of a boomer.
But it basically has majorly changed the political landscape. All right,
fair enough, Uh, one thing stormy and then I'll let
you go. People responded to a lot of your commentary
about Trump from a year ago, basically saying that you
were the you know, the plan Truster in chief, you
had sort of this like your unrealistic, you know, over
overly positive view of the of the Trump administration, particularly
as regards his relationship to the State of Israel. So
obviously you and I have been talking the entire times
if I'm aware of the the nuance of your position.
But uh, first, I guess would say, like, how do
you respond to those allegations? And two do you think
there's anything that you you got wrong?
Speaker 17: There?
Speaker 9: Stormy, you're muted.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I was just switching headphones there for a second,
battery was dying. So with Trump, it seems to be
bearing out right. So what I've what I was hoping for,
is that our coalition would have been right.
Speaker 9: So, oh, Stormy, and for you on you just started
roboting hard.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I switched. I switched. Mike's How does it
sound now?
Speaker 9: Oh you're good, You're good. I just wanted to let
you know before you went on a rat that sounded
like megatrone.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, okay. So what I was hoping for
is doesn't seem to be what we're getting. And what
I what I mean by that is so prior to
my uh, my statements about the Trump admin for a
long time, when when Trump was not in powered it
was Joe Biden. Land was that there the power structure
is not a monolith, right, that there are factions within it.
This seems obvious now, but three years ago, two years ago,
it very much was not obvious. And you know, thankfully
academic agent has come over to my line of thinking
that there are clearly factions fighting for the Trump administration, right,
fighting for control of Trump. And I was hoping, especially
in the first sixty to ninety days, that our faction
was winning out. When I say our faction, like, none
of these guys are really our faction, right, but they're
different and they don't hate us, which I can work with, right.
So I mean people view politics in our sphere, which
is very confusing the same way voters do, right, like, oh,
this is a politician, and I support this guy and
not that guy. When it comes to president of the
United States. It's not a man at all, right, he
is just a figurehead for hundreds and hundreds of people
and dozens of interest groups. So inside the Trump administration,
unlike in the Joe Biden administration, I saw conflict, right,
People jostling for control of the microphone, which was the
first I had seen that in at least in my lifetime,
right where it wasn't unified neo con Reich. And it
seems that, well, that is true our faction, at least
as it is now. When I say our faction, I'll
just same faction. The faction I was hoping to come
out on top. Doesn't seem to be so with Trump.
You get jd Vance, you get Elon, you get fel
you get Musk, Right, these people are obviously different people.
You get Tucker. These are different people than Mark Levin,
Susie Wiles, Mike Huckabee, people like that they're both in
the same administration. Right, So plan trusting is kind of
stupid because it connotates that Donald Trump, the man, is
the person that you're trusting blindly. The guy basically doesn't exist,
as Susie Wiles can show you with just by controlling
who the dude meets with, you can basically control what
he says. And this is why the commentary out of
the Trump administration has shifted really really far the other direction,
and not a really great direction. So, yeah, my initial
enthusiasm about the Trump administration was for the very first
time you had people there that had an opposite agenda.
Would those people come out on top? I don't know.
I mean, as of right now, it looks like the
Neocon team is taking tons of l's and there were
a lot of ws that these guys got in early on.
There's the same people that told me I was a plan.
Truster also told me that we were going to war
with Iran and it was beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Things are already happening, were basically on the ground already,
and now here we are eight months into the Great
American Iranian War. There are hundreds of thousands of men
killed on both No, none of that happened. None of
it did, And if their own reporting is to be believed,
it was people like JD. Vance Hegeseth and Charlie Kirk
that made that not happen.
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Speaker 2: Ardens against almost insurmountable pressure to make that happen. Like
you want to know why he got all those neocon bucks,
Well it was for that, and that didn't happen. That
was the only ask of the Trump administration by the
Middle Eastern democracy fans, all right, was to turn the
other way on a war that was already happening in Gaza,
all right, and you need to do war and Iran,
you need to take out our only regional competitor. We've
been waiting a very long time and that didn't happen.
The other thing that was supposed to happen but didn't
was we were supposed to go to war in Ukraine
and that didn't happen either. So, I mean, we did
take a lot of l's recently. I'm really thankful that
at least the initial you know, the faction that I
was hoping could do a lot in the first ninety days,
they did, And if anything else, just them keeping us
out of Iran is good, frankly. But I think I
think what's going to come next is going to really
because the one thing that we didn't talk about is
how metastable is this?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 2: We have a very tentative tug of war session happening
right now over the heart of the administration. But what
happens if there's any type of pronounced crisis, like let's
say a financial one. What happens then? How stable or
durable is either of these power structures? We know what
one power structure will do. You know, we watched it
in two thousand and eight, But what about this new faction, Like,
I ah, it's it's kind of it's kind of exciting
because I don't think the Shapiro Leven Coalition has the
ability of surviving any any type of crisis. I think
the American people are hurting so much to a point
now where if anything tips further and makes that situation worse,
I think it'll be catastrophic for them.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's something to that. Effectively that their
their dominance was dependent on an immense amount of surplus
in this system. It was dependent on people, you know,
generally feeling like we're trending up in the right direction
and look like I think it's important to to recognize
and a lot of people from bath Boomers get this wrong.
We gotta understand that the people in that generation, despite
being relatively wealthy, now lit through a lot of troubling
economic times. Right the seventies weren't particularly pleasant to put
it mildly, either, they're the rough purd in the nineties.
Another you know, obviously the dot com you know, crash
two thousand and eight, and so like you know, obviously
each one of those was individually nasty but from talking
to people who lived through it, there was never really
this feeling that like, oh, the walls are really coming
or the walls are sort of coming in, the wheels
are coming off, like America is on the ropes pro
and yeah, And additionally, I think that there's another thing
to be said for the fact that, like when we
talk about houses, and you and I have been talking
about this story, this is maybe a discussion for another day.
Housing houses, like owning a house is sort of a
totem of a bunch of other things. What it really
means is will I be able to beat like a
respectable member of society with something at stake? Is there
some way I can index myself so that I have
a stake in the system as it exists. That's just
off the table for a large number of people. And
that's a very real problem because before there was always
the combined carrot and stick of like, well, yeah, we
will both. You know, you're you have the opportunity to retire,
you know, you have benefits, you have things that sort
of keep you on the straight and narrow, and also
you know you have a lot to lose. And I
think the problem is, and look, I'm not talking about
some sort of seventeen seventy six will commence again. But
the problem is it's like, look like when the consequences
for being goss, when the consequences for being you know,
socially ostracized by kuning get lower because people simply have
less to lose, that that soft power goes away, the
power of bribery goes away, And uh yeah to me,
I think that ultimately these people are floundering, especially this
this kind of bastardized conservative.
Speaker 2: Movement, if demand control going well.
Speaker 9: To just also do to the fact that they're all
mentally challenged. Like Mark Levin is not a capable political operator.
He's a raving lunatic. And to your point, he keeps
saying things that Joseph Gebels couldn't pay him to set voluntarily.
It's like that old, that old meme, right, you know,
reacting to the Sewer tunnels where it says, you know,
Gerbels couldn't have made this with a billion dollars. You're
joking about the you know the nature of that propaganda.
And I think that that is another problem for them.
Speaker 2: So they demand to stay in charge at the same
time as they demand that they should not be expected
to have a solution. It's fundamentally unworkable and to real quick.
As far as predictions that I did get right the
housing market situation, I mean two years ago. I think
actually when you and I first started talking privately, I
talked about at a certain in about two or three years,
there is not going to be enough boomers to support
the housing market, right, So you have a functional problem, like, yes,
the boomers are spending through your inheritance, but they're not
going to be able to spend through all of it,
even though it may seem that way. Cruise after cruise
or whatever else they do, Margueritaville, it doesn't fucking matter, right,
they're going to pass on some form of wealth to you.
A lot of the now that we fucking know, one
hundred million people have landed on our shores illegally and
legally in the last twenty years. That's literally one third
of the population. One third, Right. These people haven't been
here long enough to accumulate assets, and what dollars they
have been able to scrape together, they send back home
because they're not fucking from here. So that means that
there's going to be a bit of a generational turnover. Right,
so the existing Americans, the real Americans, they will be
inheriting either wealth or assets, and a large portion of Americans,
literally one third, are not going to have it. They're
not going to have that happen. So something happens to
asset prices when like let's say, right now, if you
go to native born Americans of your generation, all right,
this kind of hides in the statistics. It was really
hard for me to suss out because the census, when
it talks about population numbers, it lumps everyone in together.
So if I want to go like what is the percentage,
like how many gen zers are there? How many boomers
are there, how many millennials are there? It doesn't let
me break down those cohorts ethnically. That took a lot
of work, but was able to do it. And there
is five times as many foreign a quarter times as
many boomers as there are born Americans. People like you
and me, Well, that's a problem because how do you
sell four and a quarter houses to a single person?
You don't, right, One or two things have to happen.
Either that person spontaneously turns into four people, or the
price you are asking to sell your house has to
be reduced by a factor of three people. Right, So
it's either sixty percent marked down, seventy percent markedown, or
three people spontaneously appear. And the problem with the importing
people to spontaneously make them a peer route is those
people actually don't accumulate enough capital to buy shit. That's
a problem. So the other thing, I mean, this just
sounds like, oh, it's boomer house prices. But Jay, you
don't know a lot about finance, but you know enough
what happens to mortgages. They get put into you know,
books with hundreds of other mortgages, and they get sold
as assets called mortgage backed securities. Two things hold up
the financial market mortgage backed securities and treasuries. Well, if
we know mortgage backed securities are about to be real
fucked up, pardon my fringe. What about treasuries? One here
lies another problem and one that I didn't want to
talk to about, to you briefly about it. So this
is a good at place as any and I'd like
to get your thoughts and we can close on that.
The other one is treasury bonds. Everyone should get a
chance to hold a treasury bill at least once in
their life. They are very very very pretty IOUs. I
mean they have gold leaf and silver leaf and it's
really nice. But on them it says that it's backed up. Right,
So this, this IOU is backed by the future tax
revenue of the United States. Okay, well who's that? And
in this h one be you know, tumult in the
snap benefit tumult and really the state of the discourse
the last three or four months a lot of information
about who is a taker and who is a maker
in the economy. So who takes tax dollars who makes them?
And it just so happens, Jay, that eighty two percent
of all tax revenue collected by the United States comes
from men that look like you and me and no
one else. So at what point do men you and
me say, well, okay, you blew up the Republican Party.
These other people hate me, and no matter who gets
into government, my government is going to hate me. Why
do I continue funding this.
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Speaker 2: Because if the white guys stop paying taxes, just like
that mortgage backed security market. Yes, the government grinds to
a halt, but all of a sudden, the US treasuries
have no value, and that's what the global financial system
runs on. So what I've been thinking about more and
more is the pocket veto that we have. And this
is why it took only like crisis for that information
to come out of who actually pays the fucking dolls?
And if you go and you build the higher global
financial system on those bills, you have created a leverage
point for people like me and you like, fine, you
can basically nuke all of our people that we want
in office. You can Charlie Kirk the ones you don't cancel,
you can deny us representation. But at the end of
the day, all of this stops tomorrow if we simply
just don't open our checkbook.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so there are several things there. I mean, I
think that that is when we're talking about the deal
being offered sort of what we're talking about. This is
something that you know, Dave Green's mentioned multiple tients, you know,
when talking to people like this, He's like, all right,
just tell me what deal we're offering me, because what
it basically sounds like the deal is for you and
I it is basically we're going to take your money,
use it for the benefit of other people, all while
discriminating against you and your children for the crime of
being productive members of society. Oh yeah, and also a
large portion of that is it even unproductive members of
your own society. But another one right halfway across the world. Now, look,
there are few things as dangerous to suggest as a
tex rebellion. Right, that's a very very good way to
get a knock on the door.
Speaker 2: But and I don't think that's what we should do,
but just simply just reminding voters of it or reminding
legislators of it.
Speaker 9: Well, and I think that this is something we've already
seen with We've already seen with the tech crowd.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 9: Why is Silicon Valley invested in right wing politics? Because,
to be honest, the left started being so retarded that
it became very unlikely that you could continue to be
a tech billionaire if they were.
Speaker 2: In trunle exactly exactly.
Speaker 9: And I think that that is very much, you know,
a possible situation that that same idea will spread to
other sections of industry. Now, I will say, and you
and I have spoken about the UK at length before,
it's a whole hell of a lot worse there, and
those rich people haven't gotten to that point yet, right,
they've fled the country, which we may start to see
as well.
Speaker 2: Well, you can't if you're a US person. That's the thing.
The US is a tax haven for the rest of
the world. But if you make your money in the US,
you don't get to leave. The US will chase you
to every corner of the world. So what exactly The
US is a roach motel right for money? And I'm
dead serious, Like right now, if I have a I
have a friend in Hong Kong, let's say, who wants
to give me one hundred million dollars as like a
wedding present or something like that. He can give me
one hundred million dollars and I will pay zero tax
on it. I say to the government, say, it's called
the foreign Gift tax tax exemption. You can look it up,
use it. You can go and say, hey, mister government,
I've gotten one hundred million dollars for free from someone
else far away. How much do I owe you. Government's
going to say, no, nothing, because it wants to put
zero barriers between money coming in the system. But if
you ever try and take it out or you try
and move it somewhere else, then all hell breaks loose.
So it is quite literally a roach motel for money.
Money can I'm in no problem at all, But when
money tries to leave, the US government will chase you
to the end of the earth, ask Roger Verair. So
our real people don't have that option. They're trapped in
here with us.
Speaker 9: So who knows, right, genuinely, who knows on that front?
I mean, I think that the the the ultimate problem
of scale accurate right there, there's just simply too many takers,
too few producers, with the kind of like welfare Ponzi
scheme let alone. Right as regards the welfarees that the
boomers benefit from, things like you know, obviously healthcare for seniors,
but also social Security, and that becomes particularly poignant if
we do see a massive correction in real estate, because
let's be honest, for the average boomer, seventy percent of
their net worth is in their houps. And yeah, sure
there is those who squandered at on cruises and the like.
But the idea that you're going to fund an additional
you know, the twenty years of life on thirty percent
of your net worth, well, all of a sudden, those
government programs become very very important. You know, that's not
like icing on the cake, that is, do you do
you survive? So, I mean I think that that is
that's sort of a catabolic I guess decay. I mean,
there's definitely something to it. I like I said, I
don't know enough about finance like that. I find the
picture you're painting to me to be convincing, But like
it's not my it's not my day.
Speaker 2: I mean, just the same number of obligations you have
to reduce you want people to reduce them head counts
right now, right, you're you're basically as the boomers go away.
I mean boomers still have to pay taxes on Social Security.
You get a social scuritych I. You have to paid
taxes on it. All their money and their retirement fund,
their IRA, they're four one k when they take it out,
they have to pay taxes on it. Capital gains.
Speaker 9: Sorry, which admitted that you and I pay, But like
that's still as that you pay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all my money is capital gains.
Speaker 9: But yes, and all of mine is ten ninety nine.
Boy do I really love paying like a TAXI?
Speaker 2: Yes, nothing nothing gets nobody gets fucked in the American system,
like the small business owner, Oh.
Speaker 9: Did you try and do what you're supposed to do
and better yourself and build something? Well, guess what, get ready,
we're going to collect our pound to flesh.
Speaker 2: But oh, you really start your own business. We're going
to make it impossible for you to get a mortgage.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I mean to that to that point, Stormy,
But couldn't you also say that is a actively been
the chamber of converse Republican Party like for a long time,
like I'm being taken out of racial terms, but still
like you small business American, that's a new euphemism. You
small business American. You are being screwed. Let's go in
there and smash up welfare. And I mean, look like
you could even say look at Dose right, which was
shuttered today officially, like that was that was an extension
of that same idea of like, well, we'll go in
there with an AX and start cutting. Like I'm not
saying that that isn't an accurate feeling, but like I
don't know if that will produce dramatic electoral results just
because we've seen that experiment run.
Speaker 2: Before now and if the boomers die off, just like
the housing prices, their tax dollars stop going in the machine,
so they're on a time clock. No matter what, right,
you can't support the massive welfare state, and you can't
suppport all these people here that are basically dependents. You
could with the boomers, you know, cashing out the four
oh one K. Only the four oh one K is
intaxable on its way up.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 2: It allows you to make money in your four oh
one K provided you don't ever take it out until
you're retired. But then when you take it out to
live on in retirement, right, then you are taxed on
it as if it's money you made yesterday. So all
of these boomers in retirement are quite literally keeping the
stock market where it is right, they're paying the bill,
they're paying taxes along with working white people. So as
the boomers die off, there simply isn't enough of us.
Even if we I mean, this is like the I
wasn't inside of a tax rebellion. I think that would
be kind of libertarian and unfortunate. If that's actually what
got people to you know, toss off the regime, that
would be really gay. But there it just points out
to a problem. There is not enough of us there
simply isn't if the government if sorry, if the boomers
go away, as they are at an exponentially growing rate,
their tax dollars go away, their consumption tax dollars go away,
their consumption period goes away. The only people buying houses
right now are boomers. The only people buying cars right
now are boomers. The only people buying new TVs, new refrigerators.
Knew anything else or boomers, And they're going away all right.
So they're funding the government largely along with us working slaves,
but they're doing most of the buying. So if you
have a consumption let economy, you're in a really bad
place as this goes with this many dependents, right, So
like unless they reverse course, right, unless they allow people
with our type of politics in because we're the only
ones advocating for it. That's that tiny group. They only
care about that place in the Middle East. They will
literally crash and burn this whole thing just to keep
that flow of capital to their place going. So like
you're talking about about like the tech elites, things like that,
Like the hour of Decision is kind of coming right,
Like these group of people will keep out the people
that want to fix things because those people that want
to fix things, they they particularly don't want to keep
funding this other place. So we have to keep them
out because they won't fund this other place. But like
you said about Mark Levin, these are only serious, unintelligent
people that only got to where they are through various
types of nepotism. And you know, like Ben Shapiro, a
very gated, very police sandbox. So they're not people with solutions,
but it is imperative to them that the people with
solutions are kept out. And it seems that, I mean,
I thought it would be Trump and this is a
big mea culpa for me. I thought it would be
in the lens of the Trump administration that either that
faction wins out.
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Speaker 2: Or the I'm not that that we'll call it tech
faction wings out, or the foreign nation in the Middle
East becomes so unpalatable it will force a heel turn
in the administration. Because that was my big Trump prediction, right,
that Trump is going to be the guy that'll be
like the first president to turn away from Zionism. What
I didn't basically by the rate at which it's growing
awareness I guess to the problem, which you can use
like Roger's theorem to track out. But I think it's
gonna be the Congress that it happens and not the presidency.
Ted Cruz just got booed off stage. Today at a
fucking at a fundraiser put together for him at a
Christian university in like Texas or something, right, Like allegiance
to this state is like is a campaign destroyer. So
I don't know how that factors in with the whole
like we're gonna we're gonna tank the midterms on purpose.
I think it involved. I think that's why Marjorie Taylor
Green and everyone is stepping back. I think to her politically,
like A, it dodges, it dodges the Samson option. But
B when you come back in you can actually talk
about the stuff you want to talk about, because it
seems that like I mean, just look at Thomas Massey's success,
him taking a pack zero a pack dollars, He raised
more money than he's ever raised before. When Miriam Madelson
and Paul Singer came out of the Zionist came after him,
he raised money from everywhere across the country. Like, I
think this is going to be a really big thing
in electoral politics. I think allegiance to this place is
going to be career suicide, just like it is in media.
Speaker 9: I mean, look, here's hoping man, were we are well
over time every time to die now really.
Speaker 2: Say the hours the other day and.
Speaker 9: My wife when you know, like looking out the back
window watching me, you know, race leads while we were
talking and he's like, what did you guys talk about?
And I was like, I don't know, like six different things.
There's got autism, a brief digression about cars, international finance,
black magic. What didn't we talk about? But in seriousness,
I enjoyed having you on. You have been posting sort
of audio essays to your substack, which I'll be sure
to do substack as your Twitter. Yeah, yeah you do,
that is actually you, So I'll be sure to link
to your substack. But yeah, man, thank you so much
for coming on. Man, this was not an encouraging conversation,
but I think it interesting one.
Speaker 2: I think I think so really, I mean we're talking
about like this, who was that guy? Who was that
guy that like set himself on fire for Palestine or whatever?
Speaker 9: Aaron Bushnell.
Speaker 2: We're literally watching all of our enemies Aaron Bushnell themselves.
Speaker 9: Which I think it's very funny that apparently the only
people who remember Aaron Buschelle, it's the only right, Like
we're the ones who still make fun of him. But
other than that his his his memory has just died,
which is I guess.
Speaker 2: Quick question, Nick, Yeah, quick question. Do you think we
on the right have the ability to do what Marjorie
Taylor Green did and not become poems in this basically?
Do we have to jump ship like she did only
to remove that option from them? Do you think actually
that we have the collective you know, yeah, I guess
you could say the collective conscious mind to make that happen.
Speaker 9: I don't know the answer to that, because I mean,
as far as like people listening to this podcast, one
hundred percent the right wing we're at large, I don't
know the answer to that because I think what will
probably happen is that the vast majority of people won't
even have entertained that I intellectually, it'll simply be a
sense of creeping happening, you know, like what's even the point.
Speaker 2: I think that's what we.
Speaker 9: Saw with the the you know election where labor swept
that it wasn't that you know, the vast majority of
people said, I have heard about this campaign on the internet,
no more, no seats, and I've decided not to do it.
But it's been you know, the conservatives were in power
for fourteen years, every aspect of my life has gotten worse.
I don't like Keere Starver, but I just can't be bothered.
And I think that's what we will see, especially because
remember Stormy, what are the demographics that push Trump to victory? Well,
it is gen x right, the largest conservative bulwark in America,
It's certainly true. But also it's men under thirty and
that magic is gone, like well and truly gone. Especially
agreed what we expect to happen happen, and that they,
the so called woke right, are made the whipping boy
of both the right and the left. I think that
that will that will create a sense of apathy in
itself because let's be honest, man, I really hate the Republicans,
but like you could literally put a gun to my
head and I would not vote for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't.
Speaker 9: I refuse to assent to someone like that. So, even
out of spite, and don't get me wrong, story there's
a lot of spite I have towards you know, the GOP,
I just wouldn't do it. I just would not vote.
And so I think that is more likely to be
the reaction less so that people decide. You know, I'll
take it to the wire. You know, I will punish you,
but I think it will produce the same effects.
Speaker 2: So the only way to get out in front of
it den is to call it out and say these
guys are differ.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, And I mean, look, man, I was actually
listening back because because I always want to check, because
I think it's easy to edit your statements in your mind,
be like.
Speaker 2: Oh I always knew who now. Yeah.
Speaker 9: I've been going back to Pomis and I have, you know,
mind Faser, which is our current events podcast, and it's
every two weeks, and there aren't that many episodes of it,
like worked at about thirty, but it's been going for
over a year now, and it's actually pretty helpful because
it lets you track with a pretty high degree of
specificity how you evolved over time. And so I was
going back and listening to our coverage of the twenty
twenty four election, and I wanted just say one you
didn't have to be a genius, But I called that
Trump was gonna win very very early, because we all
knew it. But I also said, look, Trump is not
coming to save us. Trump is not our guy, and
we should we should effectively realize that one we live here,
so I would rather live in a Trump America, the
Nicopola Harris America, that decision needs to be made, but
also think what you can get. And even during the
time like I was, I think the height of my
enthusiasm was during the early Doge months, when it seemed
as if there was a real effort being made to
roll back the administry of state. But very quickly the
problem of the judiciary writ rid as head, realizing that
things would just basically fail to happen, that someone would,
you know, some random judge of the Bill of nowhere
would stop it. And I realized, if this doesn't stop,
this thing is done. And it was never stopped. And
that which I think was the best that we got
that inclination, aside from the border stuff, which I do
think is still positive.
Speaker 2: It was done.
Speaker 9: And to me, this is in my mind a long
slow realization. And look like, are we still better off?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 9: And I think if anything, in a weird way, going
so hard against the wolk right has sort of stealed
their fate, which I think is doubly doubly obinous. But
uh yeah, man, I went back to check that I
wasn't drinking the kool aid. And I think that the
takes that we've had as a group were largely accurate.
And I think that to your point of the reason
why we're doing this now is basically to say, I
put a pin in this, and if and when this happens,
don't blame me, right, don't blame me. We called it out,
and so I think that that is something that definitely
has some promise to it. I think we're we're looking
at the same Tea Leaves who knows that this may
be something used to mock us in a year and
a half, in which case.
Speaker 2: Well, what will be really interesting is watching the tech right. Right, So,
okay said the judicial coup has happened. The judicial coup says, okay, well,
we can't do this because you can do the tech
right guys, have they been outside of politics or not
very very interested except for maybe Peter theol a little
bit right, and they come into politics thinking like, okay,
we just got to get a guy in the White House,
like we have to do things above board, right, and
they try that, they do it successfully, and then all
the judiciaries basically like no, no, no, no, no, we're
just not going to let you do things at the
Constitution says you can do. You silly people thought that
this worked how the rules say it works, and it
does not. Right Like, these people don't want to go
down with the ship, and they definitely don't want to
be I mean, because a dark enlightenment makes this point
a lot, right, Like, doesn't matter how rich you are,
if you can't keep the power on, you're just a nerd.
It doesn't that money doesn't mean anything if all this
kind of comes crashing down. So usually just as incentivized
as we are. So I wonder now that the that
the above board moves have been kind of taken off
the table for them. I think it'll be really interesting.
And you know, obviously they were not able to get
control of the Trump administration. To to my deep sadness,
I think it'll be really interesting what these guys do next.
And I think on that note, mister Burden, well over
time we are. Wow.
Speaker 9: I had a really funny joke, but I was muted.
That would have been really okay, So it just goes
into the ether. Then, yes, we are well over time.
I'll be sure to link to your stuff, Stormy as
far as my stuff you are. Can you hear me, Stormy?
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