Speaker 1: You're putting we got some want or something out here.
Speaker 1: I can't go, but how I did?
Speaker 2: My better?
Speaker 3: Light came on and I did that.
Speaker 2: But they left and they thing running across the yard.
Speaker 2: Not a good sight man or nothing. I look like
Speaker 2: the man. I don't know what it was. The right
Speaker 2: across the yard.
Speaker 1: It seems to be a big foot leaning against the
Speaker 1: tree in a wood an area.
Speaker 2: I have seen plenty of people with big feet, but
Speaker 2: not bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Tree lines and rush. He sees about a seven and
Speaker 1: seven and.
Speaker 2: A half foot tall sasquatch looking back at him, and
Speaker 2: that kind of looks like a wolf, but not like
Speaker 2: a neighborhood dog.
Speaker 1: Pick these stores for what they are and hopes that
Speaker 1: maybe I, if it's out there, then show me Yeah,
Speaker 1: and says he might have caught the mythical Cuba cabra
Speaker 1: creature terrorizing.
Speaker 2: His chickens like a grunt and a knock like a
Speaker 2: w I think there's kind of a cultural tendency for
Speaker 2: people to want to make Bigfoot a quote unquote monster.
Speaker 1: Welcome to ECBR Bigfoot Radio. Hey ladies and gentlemen, I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Daniel bin Wall back with another exciting and
Speaker 1: awesome podcast with a special guest tonight who I believe
Speaker 1: we're gonna probably dive into some very interesting discussions.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: First of all, we're going to learn a little bit
Speaker 1: about his background and uh, you know, probably get right
Speaker 1: into talking about some of his experiences and probably getting
Speaker 1: to talk about theories or other beliefs all in between.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna want to sit tight and check
Speaker 1: this out. Please welcome mister l Or do you go
Speaker 1: by al or Alfred Aler because we are al Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll get we'll keep we'll keep it to as how
Speaker 1: you doing tonight?
Speaker 2: Man, I'm doing great, Daniel, how you doing? Brother?
Speaker 1: I'm hanging in there, that's for sure. So yeah, first
Speaker 1: of all, I want to thank you for jumping on
Speaker 1: here with me tonight. This is great that you agree
Speaker 1: to do this and everything. So so I got a
Speaker 1: feel of your background, but I don't, you know, lay
Speaker 1: it over to you so you can maybe share with
Speaker 1: the audience and the listeners and kind of give him
Speaker 1: a backfill on you if you want to kind of
Speaker 1: give us some feedback or you know, let us know
Speaker 1: who you are, what got you into all this, and
Speaker 1: kind of go from there.
Speaker 2: Okay, my name is alexand a Riga. My brother, Frank
Speaker 2: was He was one of the first parapsychologists in the
Speaker 2: United States. He used to go out with Hans Holtzer's
Speaker 2: right hand man and and and do investigations with their
Speaker 2: psychic ethel My mom was. My mom was a psychic
Speaker 2: who had people would come to her all the time.
Speaker 2: She would get premonitions all the time, and people would
Speaker 2: come to her, and she would talk in her sleep
Speaker 2: so much that my father would make us sleep in
Speaker 2: a spare room. They work instruction, and he wanted to
Speaker 2: get to work and he couldn't sleep. He couldn't work,
Speaker 2: he couldn't sleep at night with her talking. I started
Speaker 2: the Bronxville Paranormal Society many many years ago, and we
Speaker 2: started off as a paranormal I hate the term of
Speaker 2: ghost hunting, but we were a paranormal group, and then
Speaker 2: we just evolved into I'm the director of the New
Speaker 2: York State Sasquatch Organization, the director of the New York
Speaker 2: State UFO Project, the director of the New York State
Speaker 2: dog Man Project, founder of the Bronxville Paranormal Society. Regentry,
Speaker 2: director of the North American dog Man Project. For mister Cook,
Speaker 2: Jody Cook and also a moufan member here in New
Speaker 2: York State. And I do anything in everything. Good friend
Speaker 2: of mine Chris Reinhardt from discovered Sasquatch. He investigates the
Speaker 2: Berkshire Mountains and Connecticut. He gave me the nickname the
Speaker 2: squatch Father. It kind of stuck, and it's what everybody
Speaker 2: knows me as now, is the squatch Father. But I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, I do a little bit of everything, and
Speaker 2: I love I love squatching. I gotta be honest, It's
Speaker 2: my favorite thing. But whatever comes my way, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm open to anything and everything.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: One thing you made mention and you touched on right there.
Speaker 1: You discussed how you hate the term ghost hunter. It's
Speaker 1: funny you mentioned that because I've been referred to it
Speaker 1: as a big point or sasquatch hunter, quote hunter. It
Speaker 1: just gives it an ugly ring that you know. I
Speaker 1: always tell people, no, I'm a researcher, don't call me
Speaker 1: a hunter. I mean, but at the same time, you know,
Speaker 1: if people want to refer to me as a hunter,
Speaker 1: I guess to a certain except that could be okay.
Speaker 1: But it's just a lot of ears and a lot
Speaker 1: of people that hear that perceive it in a still
Speaker 1: a manner like yeah, we're out to kill something, you know. No.
Speaker 1: Or the other thing is I've been titled as or
Speaker 1: introduced as a big expert. Uh. That's like kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of gut turning to me because I like, no,
Speaker 1: please don't call me that, you know. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of research, I got some experiences, but
Speaker 1: that doesn't make anybody an expert. I don't care how
Speaker 1: long you've been involved with this, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want to touch base on that because you know,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm sure you had your reasons. We're not
Speaker 1: wanting to be called or a ghost hunter, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I don't want to be called an
Speaker 2: expert in anything. As a matter of fact, I tell
Speaker 2: people all the time when they refer to me as
Speaker 2: an expert, like when you get invited to symposiums and
Speaker 2: stuff and they say, oh, he's an expert and a No,
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on anything literally anything. I don't
Speaker 2: even call myself a research I call myself an experiencer
Speaker 2: and an investigator. That's what I do. I investigate. I
Speaker 2: I don't believe I don't believe that there are any
Speaker 2: experts in this field. There are people who are experiences
Speaker 2: that experience stuff, and there are people with more experienced
Speaker 2: time in the field, you know, investigating, and that's it.
Speaker 2: There are no experts as far as I'm concerned, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, for sure. I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 1: scientists and people that do get involved with some of this,
Speaker 1: you know that they are experts in their field, you know,
Speaker 1: but like you know, for example, doctor Jeff Meldrum, I agree, right,
Speaker 1: I have no doubt. I mean, and I agreed to
Speaker 1: call him an expert in his field, yes, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, but for him to say, yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: pick for an expert. No, he just he speaks his
Speaker 1: mind in beliefs on what he might believe something is.
Speaker 1: And you know he'll tell you himself. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: it a fact. But there's the data he's collected and studied.
Speaker 1: It points towards or gives him that conclusion. You know,
Speaker 1: just like what we might have, what we gather an
Speaker 1: observed and witness, you know that all that data gives
Speaker 1: us conclusions to what we want to believe something is.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, and everybody is entitled to their opinion
Speaker 2: and what they you know, there's no wrong answers. I mean,
Speaker 2: no right answers. You know what I mean. So, I
Speaker 2: mean everybody is entitled to their to their belief and uh,
Speaker 2: and you know, no one should criticize anybody or be
Speaker 2: little anybody for what they believe. Another term that I
Speaker 2: totally hate more than anything is when they when they
Speaker 2: call people. Oh geez, I can't think of that. I
Speaker 2: can't think of the term now. I just I just
Speaker 2: blanked out.
Speaker 1: Uh, don't feel bad. I get that way off.
Speaker 2: Just uh, Dave and Dave Scott says it all the time. Uh,
Speaker 2: it'll come to me later. We'll get back to that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, it's okay. Yeah, that's totally cool.
Speaker 2: No, just blanked out. I can't stand when I do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm famous for that.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I don't feel so bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I trust me.
Speaker 1: I'm well known for it. So I've had a blank
Speaker 1: out many times when I would have questions to ask
Speaker 1: my guests. Usually I try to have most of the
Speaker 1: stuff written down, but well, I'll write it down as I.
Speaker 3: Go and you know, but no, it's all good.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you also said that Bigfoot's been your favorite,
Speaker 1: you know, a subject got all the different things you've
Speaker 1: gotten involved with. What got you into Bigfoot or liking it?
Speaker 2: Well, when I was twelve years old, I had an
Speaker 2: experience down in South Florida. My sister lived in a
Speaker 2: little town called Davy, Florida, and she lived on the
Speaker 2: outskirts of Davy and her property backed up against the Everglades.
Speaker 2: And then teen seventy four lived in a little development
Speaker 2: called Sunshine Acres. They were just building the development. It
Speaker 2: was still cowboy country down there.
Speaker 3: Back then.
Speaker 2: The only thing that the biggest thing that came around
Speaker 2: on the floor to July was the rodeo. Other than that,
Speaker 2: there were no sidewalks or streetlights. There was a cowboy
Speaker 2: down and everybody had three rifles on the pickup truck,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Oh sure.
Speaker 2: My father and my uncle would send me and my
Speaker 2: cousin down to Florida every year. It was like our
Speaker 2: summer vacation, and my brother in law would put us
Speaker 2: to work around the property. We'd cut grass, we'd paint,
Speaker 2: we did all kinds of stuff. But we also had
Speaker 2: dirt bikes that we would ride in the swamp, and
Speaker 2: you know, we hit, we'd go in the woods and
Speaker 2: we'd shoot guns and everything. And we since we went
Speaker 2: back every year, we knew a lot of the kids
Speaker 2: in the area, you know, the kids that would have
Speaker 2: been there from the beginning, and then the newer kids
Speaker 2: had moved in. And so one summer we were down there.
Speaker 2: I was nineteen seventy four. I was twelve, my cousin
Speaker 2: Anthony was fifteen. It was a drought that summer in
Speaker 2: South Florida. The Everyglades was on fire and a lot
Speaker 2: of the wildlife was getting pushed in and us being
Speaker 2: right on the cuffs of the Everglades. My cousin Anthony
Speaker 2: and I were watching wrestling one night, and one Saturday night,
Speaker 2: we're up late watching wrestling, and something walked past the
Speaker 2: us that smelled the high heaven, you know, and my
Speaker 2: sister had two you know, can nine German shepherds that
Speaker 2: went ballistic and we had to throw him in the
Speaker 2: garage because if they would have woke up my brother
Speaker 2: in law, who was an ext marine, he would have
Speaker 2: kicked everybody's ass. And because he had his own restaurant
Speaker 2: and he worked late hours, so when he got home
Speaker 2: he was tired, so Anyway, we tell my sister the
Speaker 2: next morning and yeah, something walked by the house. It's
Speaker 2: smelled the high heaven. And my brother in law said, oh,
Speaker 2: must have been the sky. And me and my cousin
Speaker 2: Anthony looked at each and like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: What's the skunk game? You know, we thought he was
Speaker 2: pulling our legs. We didn't believe him, you know, right,
Speaker 2: And my sister went on to explain, it's the Florida
Speaker 2: version of Bigfoot. Now. Look, I seen the Patty video
Speaker 2: in seventy two when I was ten years old, and
Speaker 2: with all my cousins and I told them all right
Speaker 2: then and there where we've seen it. I think it
Speaker 2: was a trailer at the end of like a James
Speaker 2: Bond movie. I said, that thing is real. That's not
Speaker 2: a man in a costume. The vibe I got was
Speaker 2: that was a real deal, and I believed it ever
Speaker 2: since I was ten years old. I'm sixty two now.
Speaker 2: And so we went out that day. We used to
Speaker 2: meet all our friends in the woods and you know,
Speaker 2: jump bikes and stuff like that, and was talking to
Speaker 2: all the local kids and they were like, yeah, when
Speaker 2: it gets hot like this, the skunk game comes around,
Speaker 2: and it was like nonchalant to them. It wasn't a
Speaker 2: big deal, you know, And me and my cousin were like, wow,
Speaker 2: this is insane, you know where you know, we're used
Speaker 2: to dealing with thugs and back alleyways in the city
Speaker 2: and you know, New York, not monsters in the woods
Speaker 2: in South Florida, you know. And one night, so that
Speaker 2: was the first time that came by. Then a couple
Speaker 2: like a week later, again, we were up late one
Speaker 2: night watching like Don Kirshion's Rocks concert. It came out
Speaker 2: at one o'clock in the morning, it was, and it
Speaker 2: just ended around two, and we were going to bed
Speaker 2: and she had a big queen sized bed in her
Speaker 2: sun room that faced the front of the house or
Speaker 2: the front of the house had a circular driveway with
Speaker 2: a fountain an it, but it was opened, but the
Speaker 2: house was fenced in around the three sides because of
Speaker 2: the dogs. And we're laying in bed and the senseral
Speaker 2: lights go on and we see this giant shadow go
Speaker 2: across the front of the wall. You know, Oh wow.
Speaker 2: We're both looking up at this shadow and the dogs
Speaker 2: start going ballistic. So I jumped out of bed. I
Speaker 2: grabbed both dogs and drag him into the garage. But
Speaker 2: when I came out, I belly crawled like an army
Speaker 2: man to the window. Our bed was up against a
Speaker 2: picture window that was like four feet high. It was
Speaker 2: by four feet by eight, so it was a huge
Speaker 2: picture window. I peeked out from under the window and
Speaker 2: there in the middle of the driveway was this nine
Speaker 2: foot monster that looked like King Kong to me. Okay wow,
Speaker 2: and it's standing there and you know, Highside Beating twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: I didn't know at the time, as a twelve year
Speaker 2: old kid that it had seen its reflection in the
Speaker 2: glass and it thought it was another skun game. And
Speaker 2: it did this like incredible fult scream and flex and
Speaker 2: it was just like insane, you know. And my cousin
Speaker 2: Anthony just frozen the bed. He wasn't moving an inch.
Speaker 2: And it started to walk around side of the house.
Speaker 2: And on the particular side of the house that it
Speaker 2: was walking along, there was empty lots because I guess
Speaker 2: the development wasn't really built up. There was a few
Speaker 2: houses here and there. So I pulled my cousin out
Speaker 2: of the bed. I said, come on, man, we got
Speaker 2: to check this out. And we ran into the bathroom
Speaker 2: in between the kids rooms, and the window was we
Speaker 2: kept the lights off. We had tinted windows and a
Speaker 2: black screen, and we're watching this thing as it walks
Speaker 2: along the fence line. And I'm going to say it
Speaker 2: was nine feet tall, nine hundred pounds, and I'm probably
Speaker 2: being light. And the reason I say it was nine
Speaker 2: feet tall is because I know that fence was six
Speaker 2: foot tall for the dogs, and it was head and
Speaker 2: shoulders above the fence, you know. And as it's walking
Speaker 2: past us, we're watching it. It's looking at us like
Speaker 2: it can see us, and we can't understand how to
Speaker 2: think and see us because we're in the dark. And
Speaker 2: at one point it stops and it picks up a
Speaker 2: wild watermelon and it takes a bite and it just
Speaker 2: there's nothing left but two nubs. It drops the nubs
Speaker 2: and it starts walking towards the back of the property.
Speaker 2: And again I dragged my cousin Anthony out to the patio,
Speaker 2: which was screened in because I knew once it passed
Speaker 2: the back to the corner of the house, the sensor
Speaker 2: lights in the back would go on as well, you know,
Speaker 2: And it had a red tint to it, like its
Speaker 2: hair and hair looked it looked like the hair was black,
Speaker 2: but when the sens of lights were hitting it, it
Speaker 2: had like a red tint its hair color, and its
Speaker 2: eyes were red. Now I don't know if that was
Speaker 2: their color of its eyes or if that was just
Speaker 2: from the reflection of the sense of lights, you know,
Speaker 2: but it did have canines because when it screamed, I
Speaker 2: could see the canines. And as it's walking past the
Speaker 2: back of the house where we're hanging out and the
Speaker 2: screened in patio watching it go by, and the whole
Speaker 2: time it's walking by, it's turned looking at us, like
Speaker 2: I can see us. Squats down at a man made
Speaker 2: lake at the house behind our house had a man
Speaker 2: made lake, squatted down there, drank the water out of
Speaker 2: the lake, and then it walked off into the woods
Speaker 2: where we used to ride our dirt bikes and go
Speaker 2: horseback riding and everything, and it just started screaming. So
Speaker 2: the next day we told my brother in law and
Speaker 2: my sister when they woke up what happened, and we
Speaker 2: went out and on the side of the fence line
Speaker 2: there were tracks. I think there were like sixteen inches long,
Speaker 2: and eight inches wide. And my brother said, Okay, when
Speaker 2: I come home tonight, I'm gonna come home for lunch
Speaker 2: and we're gonna cast him because he wanted to put
Speaker 2: the tracks on the bar at the restaurant and two tracks,
Speaker 2: and he wanted to put two tracks at the bar
Speaker 2: in the house for a conversation piece, you know. But
Speaker 2: the restaurant got really busy, and when the horse rancher
Speaker 2: would come by to take tours out into the woods,
Speaker 2: they always rode by our house and they walked, they
Speaker 2: rode over the tracks and destroyed them. So we never
Speaker 2: did get any tracks. And oh man, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: but you know, we didn't mind the rest because all
Speaker 2: the girls would come by on the horses, so you know,
Speaker 2: we would be hanging out by the fence balking to
Speaker 2: them and stuff. But we lost the tracks. But then
Speaker 2: a couple of nights went by and at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the development, I'm going to say it was like
Speaker 2: the the west southwest end of development. And then we're
Speaker 2: surrounded by canals and the only way to get up
Speaker 2: to this development is over there is one lane, one
Speaker 2: car bridge. Go yeah, with one car over the time.
Speaker 2: And in the beginning of the development was this horse
Speaker 2: rancher who was good friends with us because my sister
Speaker 2: used to live across the street from him, originally in
Speaker 2: a greenhouse. When they built the house in the back
Speaker 2: of the property, they built a bigger one with an
Speaker 2: end ground pool, you know. So our friend we would go.
Speaker 2: We would go work at his father's horse ranch, would
Speaker 2: shovel shit to make a few dollars to get beer
Speaker 2: or something, you know, or we would take tours out
Speaker 2: in the woods in the swamps when he didn't have
Speaker 2: anybody to take the tours out. But he had just
Speaker 2: picked up a horse from like Wyoming or Montana that
Speaker 2: was really wild, and he couldn't put it in the
Speaker 2: stalls because they would kick it amid all the other
Speaker 2: horse is nervous. So he kept it out in the
Speaker 2: corral that night, and he had a Native American Seminole
Speaker 2: Indian work in the horse to break it well. One night,
Speaker 2: my brother in wall came home from the restaurant around
Speaker 2: twelve thirty one o'clock, and he used to bring all
Speaker 2: like the burnt pizzas home, you know, and it was
Speaker 2: it was like our midnight snack, and we would sit
Speaker 2: out in the patio and we'd eat the burnt pizzas.
Speaker 2: And one night we're sitting out there, we're all talking,
Speaker 2: talking to me and my sister, my brother in law,
Speaker 2: and my cousin, and we started hearing gunfire coming from
Speaker 2: the horse rancher's house. So we run to the front
Speaker 2: of the house and you can see muzzle flashes like
Speaker 2: a thirty thirty going off. Boom boom, boom boom, you know.
Speaker 2: And my brother says, jump on your bikes and go
Speaker 2: check it out. So we jumped on our dirt bikes
Speaker 2: and we ran it. We drove over everybody's lawn that
Speaker 2: was we just because we were trying to get there
Speaker 2: as fans as we could. So we just drove over
Speaker 2: everybody's lawn and we got down to the corner and
Speaker 2: we see our friend that were talking to our friends,
Speaker 2: and the whole neighborhood is out, you know, and we're saying,
Speaker 2: what's going on, and he says, yeah, the skunk ape
Speaker 2: came here tonight and he tried to get my father's
Speaker 2: new horse, you know, snuck up on my father's new
Speaker 2: wild Mustang or whatever it was. And and what happened
Speaker 2: was it creeped up on this wild mustang, and it
Speaker 2: grabbed it from its hind quarters, you know. But the
Speaker 2: horse must have kicked out, jumped the corral and got
Speaker 2: into the pasture. And at that point the rancher came
Speaker 2: out and he started shooting at the skunk gate. So
Speaker 2: you know, the sheriff comes, everybody comes. It's a whole
Speaker 2: big deal. The next day we go back down there again.
Speaker 2: The Native American comes to get the horse. He goes
Speaker 2: out to the pasture to get the horse. He brings
Speaker 2: it back in and when he got in, the horse
Speaker 2: had handprints on its hind quarters, like to grab you
Speaker 2: by your wrist and squeeze real hard. That's what it
Speaker 2: had on its hind quarters. Not claw marks, fingerprints on
Speaker 2: its hind quarters. And it was a Native American who
Speaker 2: said he had a horse must have kicked out to
Speaker 2: get to break the grip to get away, you know.
Speaker 2: And the sheriff said, okay, we're gonna pick up the
Speaker 2: patrols in this area because you know, you guys, you're
Speaker 2: right on the on the on the edge of the Everglades,
Speaker 2: and you know, you got a lot of action going
Speaker 2: around here, you know. And you gotta understand, this was
Speaker 2: a little, little town back in seventy four, and it
Speaker 2: was like it was like in Maybury. It was just
Speaker 2: the sheriff and the deputy and that was it, you know.
Speaker 2: And our development was like a two miles square and
Speaker 2: I used to jog it every day. And at the
Speaker 2: end of our road was a cattle rancher and he
Speaker 2: had a white Brahma bull. And this bull was as
Speaker 2: big as a mini van, you know what I mean
Speaker 2: he was. He had to hump in his back and
Speaker 2: he was just a big, big boy. And I know
Speaker 2: how big he was because I had to get into
Speaker 2: the pasture went. I was jogging past this lady's house
Speaker 2: and she had a Saint Bernard and she happened to
Speaker 2: be coming up the street and she hit the automatic
Speaker 2: gate to open the gates because she could drive in.
Speaker 2: And I'm running by. The dog is going crazy barking
Speaker 2: at me. The dog comes running out chasing me, and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, Kujo, this dog's gonna eat me down. In
Speaker 2: South Florida, it's not like New York. We don't have
Speaker 2: There's not trees all over the place that you can
Speaker 2: climb to get away. And then this dog is gaining
Speaker 2: on me, and the only place I thought to go
Speaker 2: was that pasture because the fence was only like four
Speaker 2: feet high, you know what I mean, And I knew
Speaker 2: that dog was probably too heavy to jump over it.
Speaker 2: So I dove over the fence to go into the pasture,
Speaker 2: and the dog jumped up against the fence and was
Speaker 2: going absolutely crazy. And at that point I got up
Speaker 2: and I looked up and the bull was looking at me,
Speaker 2: and the bull was looking at the dog, and the
Speaker 2: dog was making so much noise that the bull was
Speaker 2: really focusing on the dog. So I started working my
Speaker 2: way around to the front gate, and I was using
Speaker 2: the cows as protection. I was hiding behind the cows
Speaker 2: so the bull wouldn't charge me, you know. By the
Speaker 2: time I got By the time I got to the
Speaker 2: front gate, the lady down the street had called the
Speaker 2: dog backs. I was able to go get out of
Speaker 2: the gate and go home. And actually, the dude who
Speaker 2: owned that cattle ranch hated us because we would come
Speaker 2: flying out of our street one hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 2: No streets were all gravel back then down there, you know,
Speaker 2: and not to go down on the dirt bikes, we'd
Speaker 2: had to take a wide turn and we would tear
Speaker 2: up his lawn every day, every day. And my brother
Speaker 2: in law was always paying this dude to reside his
Speaker 2: lawn because we were tearing it up every time we
Speaker 2: came around that turn. You know, it was like, you
Speaker 2: guys got to slow down when you come out of
Speaker 2: this road, you know. And uh, you know, we were
Speaker 2: two kids from New York were wild and crazy. We're
Speaker 2: having fun. We're having the fun of you know, time
Speaker 2: of our lives down to Florida. You know, we didn't
Speaker 2: have dirt bikes in the city. You know, we're guns
Speaker 2: and stuff, right, so.
Speaker 3: You guys are doing doing what kids like to do,
Speaker 3: have fun, you know.
Speaker 2: Everything everything that the local kids were doing, we were doing.
Speaker 2: You know. We were yeah, whatever you want to do,
Speaker 2: let's do were We were into everything, you know. And uh,
Speaker 2: one night, my brother in law and my sister were
Speaker 2: going there. We had some had some friends flying from
Speaker 2: New York and they we're gonna take them down to
Speaker 2: Miami dancing and dinner and all of that jazz. And
Speaker 2: they told us, you know, we had to watch stay
Speaker 2: home babysit the kids. And they said, listen, you know
Speaker 2: these are what the guns are. If you have any
Speaker 2: issues you know, let the dogs out first, and if
Speaker 2: that doesn't do it, you know, here's here's what the
Speaker 2: guns are. You know, just make sure what happens to
Speaker 2: the kids. And you know, they got home around two
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, and it was a pretty quiet night.
Speaker 2: Nothing had happened. And you know, of course the dogs
Speaker 2: go nuts when they hear the car pull into the driveway.
Speaker 2: So I had to let the dogs out because they
Speaker 2: would have just tore up the door jumping up against it.
Speaker 2: And so we all go out. We're all sitting in
Speaker 2: the driveway and my drug law had just bought a
Speaker 2: brand new like I don't know if it was a
Speaker 2: Mark two, Mark three Lincoln Continental. It was loaded, it
Speaker 2: was gorgeous, and we're all standing around the car and
Speaker 2: we hear this blood curdling scream. I mean, it just
Speaker 2: put the fear of God in you and nobody knew
Speaker 2: what it was. And then right after the scream, you'd
Speaker 2: seen like a double barrel shotgun go off, boom, and
Speaker 2: it was coming from the cattle rancher's property, you know.
Speaker 2: So my sister grabbed the door and ran his side.
Speaker 2: She was petrified, and my brother us to jump into
Speaker 2: Carllege because see what happened. So my cousin Anthony jumped
Speaker 2: in the front seat, I jumped in the back. I
Speaker 2: had my brother law open up the sunroof. I'm hanging
Speaker 2: out of the sun roof. We drive down to the
Speaker 2: end of the corner, and just as we get to
Speaker 2: the corner, the deputy is coming down the street doing
Speaker 2: the patrol, and we get stuck behind the deputy and
Speaker 2: he's going like two miles an hour, and he's got
Speaker 2: his spotlight facing to the left, facing the swamp, you know,
Speaker 2: and we're behind him and we're watching and we can
Speaker 2: see another car at the other end of the development,
Speaker 2: because you know, one thing about Florida, it's flat, you know,
Speaker 2: so you can see for miles. And we've seen another
Speaker 2: car at the end of the draw, at the end
Speaker 2: of the doult. We just assumed it was probably the sheriff,
Speaker 2: and everybody's looking to the left, looking to the left,
Speaker 2: when the creature comes running out of the darkness from
Speaker 2: the right and the deputy hits it, and the deputy's
Speaker 2: car stopped like it hit a telephone pole. Okay, this
Speaker 2: thing just stopped dead. But the creature stumbled and went
Speaker 2: down and he took down like a school bus sign.
Speaker 2: And from what the guys were telling me who replaced
Speaker 2: the sign, those signs are supposed to be able to
Speaker 2: take like two hundred mile an hour winds and not
Speaker 2: get bent. Well listening landed on that sign and it
Speaker 2: pancaked that sign. Okay wow, And it gets back up
Speaker 2: and it starts limping over to the police car. Now
Speaker 2: my bron Wai hits it with the high beams. He
Speaker 2: got a better look at it. I'm hanging out of
Speaker 2: the out of the sun roof. It's like slow motion.
Speaker 2: It's it's surreal, you know what I mean. Like it
Speaker 2: you don't even believe what you see. You're you're I
Speaker 2: tell people, when you see these things, your brain can't
Speaker 2: comprehend what your eyes are seen because it's supposed to exist.
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there and we're only four feet behind
Speaker 2: the deputy's car, and it limps over to the deputy's
Speaker 2: car and it stopped and it looks down at the
Speaker 2: deputy and it screams at him, and it does like
Speaker 2: a hammer punch in the front of the car. He
Speaker 2: hits his car so hard that the back of the
Speaker 2: car comes off the ground. Okay wow, and it limps
Speaker 2: off into the swamp. At this point, the sheriff has
Speaker 2: turned the corner. He's coming down and he puts his
Speaker 2: lights on. He comes racing down and he's taking reports. Now,
Speaker 2: back then, the sheriff, the deputies used to carry the
Speaker 2: shotgun in the front seat between the driver and the passenger.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not like today when they keep everything
Speaker 2: in the trunk. And the sheriff said to the deputy,
Speaker 2: why ain't she shoot it with the shotgun? And the
Speaker 2: deputy said, gun wasn't big enough, you know, he wasn't
Speaker 2: big enough. And he's taken the deputy's report of what happened.
Speaker 2: You know, he's taken our report what happened because we
Speaker 2: were witnesses, because the car was totaled, you know. And
Speaker 2: the cattle rancher comes flying up in this pickup truck
Speaker 2: and he says, you got to come back to my ranch.
Speaker 2: You gotta see what that damn skunkcape did to my
Speaker 2: prize bull. And I'm thinking, there's no way, there's no
Speaker 2: way the skunkcake could do anything to that bull. That
Speaker 2: bull had to be twenty five hundred pounds. It was
Speaker 2: as big as a minivan, you know. So the sheriff
Speaker 2: takes off with the with the cattle rancher. We go
Speaker 2: around the deputy, We followed it, We followed the shoe,
Speaker 2: We followed the sheriff. We get to the cattle rancher's
Speaker 2: house and the sheriff is panning the pasture and there
Speaker 2: in the middle of the pasture is this white Brahma
Speaker 2: bull bleeding out with no head. And wow, and then
Speaker 2: he pans the pasture like another hundred yards to the
Speaker 2: to the to the east, and there's the head. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean. This creature ripped the head off
Speaker 2: this Brahma bull. Now, being a twelve year old kid,
Speaker 2: I love bull riding, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: when the rodeo came to town, I was hanging out
Speaker 2: as close as I could to the bull riders, you know,
Speaker 2: and I was talking to the cowboys and everything, and
Speaker 2: they were telling me that the Brahma bulls were the
Speaker 2: worst because they were ornery, you know. And then they said,
Speaker 2: you never want to draw a Brama because the Brama's ornery.
Speaker 2: And I was like, and I got this in the
Speaker 2: back of my head. This bull was ornery, and this
Speaker 2: creature ripped its head off, you know. And then at
Speaker 2: that point they called it a state police and the
Speaker 2: county police, and they came in with helicopters and horses
Speaker 2: and dogs and they searched the swamp high and load.
Speaker 2: They never found anything. And we thought that they were
Speaker 2: going to come and into view us like the news people,
Speaker 2: because that whole summer they were interviewing county police, state police,
Speaker 2: all kinds of people who were seeing skuncapes all over
Speaker 2: Florida because the fires and the everglades and the skuncapes
Speaker 2: were all over South Florida. So we thought that they
Speaker 2: would come and interview us. We raced it out in
Speaker 2: the morning to get the newspapers. We were in the papers,
Speaker 2: went to the local wind Dixie and got all the newspapers,
Speaker 2: and there was nothing about any of it in the newspapers.
Speaker 2: No one ever came to interview us. It was like
Speaker 2: it never happened. But I was. I was talking to
Speaker 2: Dave Sheeley. I mean he's the guy, Yeah, he ran
Speaker 2: the Skunkate Museum in Florida.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, yeah, I was actually thinking about him when
Speaker 1: you were telling me this. I was like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: should be too far from his area.
Speaker 2: And he we was talking and he had me put
Speaker 2: that experience in in his website on his museum, right,
Speaker 2: and some chicks from the BFR row read it, and
Speaker 2: she called me. She was actually like the state director
Speaker 2: from the BFR row And I forgot her name, read
Speaker 2: Merrylit or something like that. She was the same age
Speaker 2: as I was. She lived in the next town over
Speaker 2: from from Davy. Her father had a garage and Davy,
Speaker 2: and her uncle was a cop in the next town over,
Speaker 2: I think it was called Cooper City, and they would
Speaker 2: come home at night and he would tell his family
Speaker 2: about all these sightings in Davy, you know, and her
Speaker 2: uncle would come over and tell all the sightings that
Speaker 2: they would have all these sightings in Cooper City. So
Speaker 2: she was telling me about all our stuff and when
Speaker 2: as I was telling her about my stuff, and she
Speaker 2: put my story into the BFRO website. But she was
Speaker 2: like she went above beyond the call of duty.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: She got like photographs, aerial photographs of sunshine acres, and
Speaker 2: she marked out where our house was, where the course
Speaker 2: ranchers ouse was, where the cattle ranchers house was. She
Speaker 2: got all these articles from all the papers in South Florida,
Speaker 2: from the early seventies and up to seventy four about
Speaker 2: all the skunkcap reports. So she put everything into my
Speaker 2: report and just blew me away when and then I
Speaker 2: ended up talking to Sevilla Erwin and she did an
Speaker 2: artist rendering of the creature I seen, you know, and
Speaker 2: she put that in the report as well. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was it was. It was when I could wait
Speaker 2: to get home to New York to tell my brother
Speaker 2: what happened, you know, because I know my brother was
Speaker 2: like my brother had every kind of book you could
Speaker 2: think of under the Son in his room, from UFOs
Speaker 2: and Big for Lockness, Monster, you know, all demons and
Speaker 2: all kinds of so whenever he finished reading it, I
Speaker 2: read it. So I couldn't wait to get home to
Speaker 2: tell my brother about it. And my cousin Ante, he's like, no,
Speaker 2: you can't tell you brother, And I was like, why
Speaker 2: why can't I tell my brother? And he's like, because
Speaker 2: if you tell your brother, your brother's going to tell
Speaker 2: everybody else in the family and we're going to get
Speaker 2: riddle culed. And if we get the way my families
Speaker 2: were a big Italian family, the way we show our
Speaker 2: love is by breaking everybody's chops, you know what I mean. Oh,
Speaker 2: my cousin Antony. He said, if they break my bulls,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kick this shit out of you, you know what.
Speaker 2: I And he was a weightlifter, he was a big
Speaker 2: dude for fifteen and I was a martial arts guy.
Speaker 2: We fought all the time, you know. But I didn't
Speaker 2: really want to fight my cousin Antony. They had no
Speaker 2: desire to fight him, you know. So when I got
Speaker 2: back to New York, I only told like my two
Speaker 2: best friends about it. I never mentioned anything to my cousin,
Speaker 2: to my brother, And about thirty years later, forty years later,
Speaker 2: my brother wrote a book and he called my sister
Speaker 2: because my sister's an intuitive, you know, and my sister said,
Speaker 2: you should talk to Al. Al's the one in the
Speaker 2: family that has all the experiences, like mom, you know.
Speaker 2: So then when I told my brother about it, He's like,
Speaker 2: why didn't you ever tell me? And I was like,
Speaker 2: cause Anthony threatened to kick my ass.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to have to fight my cousin, you know.
Speaker 2: And my brother, like my brother called my sister to
Speaker 2: validate everything. But at the time, my cousin Anthony had
Speaker 2: passed and my brother in law had passed, so it
Speaker 2: was just my my, my, my version and what my
Speaker 2: sister remembered, you know. I mean, of course you remember
Speaker 2: the incident that summer and everything, but yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: so it was it was, it was. It was when
Speaker 2: I got back to New York and I lived in
Speaker 2: the city and the only patch of grass I had
Speaker 2: in the front of my house was maybe like ten
Speaker 2: feet by eight feet little piece of grass, like like
Speaker 2: a postage stamp piece of grass. And my my actually
Speaker 2: my bedroom used to be the front porch. My father
Speaker 2: was a carbager. He closed it off and made an
Speaker 2: extra bedroom out of it. But the only windows he
Speaker 2: had at the time in his carpenter shop was like
Speaker 2: a front porch of front window. So I had a
Speaker 2: big picture window in the front with two little ones.
Speaker 2: And I always used to think that the Bigfoot was
Speaker 2: going to come to come to the city and reach
Speaker 2: through that window, grabbed me out of my bed and
Speaker 2: pulled me out because my bedroom was like the size
Speaker 2: of a prison cell, you know. Man, I was like
Speaker 2: for like two years, I couldn't sleep. It just freaked
Speaker 2: me out so much because it was such an experienced
Speaker 2: traumatic experience. I couldn't sleep for like two years, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean I still went into the woods with my
Speaker 2: friends and we hung out in the woods and we
Speaker 2: built forts and we did all that stuff and be
Speaker 2: begun fights. But so as it got dark, man, I
Speaker 2: got out of those woods.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you know up in New York. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize what they're thinking New York.
Speaker 1: They're thinking of the Yeah, in the cities. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't realize how much mountains and woods there is
Speaker 1: in New York.
Speaker 2: You know, I live in the right on the tip
Speaker 2: of the southern the southern Catskill Mountain Range. Oh and
Speaker 2: the Catskill Mountain Range by itself is five hundred thousand
Speaker 2: square acres.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And north of that is the Adirondack Mountains, and
Speaker 2: that's six million acres, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: people don't realize how much how how New York or
Speaker 2: the Northeast looks like the Pacific Northwest, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I've often told people, even with my research and
Speaker 1: what I when people ask about the East Coast or
Speaker 1: like here in Virginia, well, I don't.
Speaker 3: Just speak for Virginia.
Speaker 1: But I say, people on the restimate the East coast,
Speaker 1: you know, just because the Pacific Northwest has the reputation
Speaker 1: for Bigfoot. Uh, you're neglecting what we got over here
Speaker 1: because they saw a lot of them have never been
Speaker 1: out here, you know. Again, they think of the city
Speaker 1: like I'm originally from Massachusetts, but like, oh, you're from Boston. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't live in the city. I lived in a
Speaker 1: rural town, you know, a couple hours outside of Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I've been to Boston. My parents took us
Speaker 1: there when we were little kids on the Amtrak, you know,
Speaker 1: to go to the you know, check out the aquarium
Speaker 1: and all that good stuff. But you know, I grew
Speaker 1: I always grew up in the woods.
Speaker 3: But to see the city. It's cool to see in
Speaker 3: the city.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, because it's some cool stuff in
Speaker 1: the city.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, city, The city is good and cool
Speaker 2: for young, young adults, you know what I mean, our
Speaker 2: young friends. Like I mean, I took my kids to
Speaker 2: Madison sut Garden to see the circus and down, you know,
Speaker 2: to see the Nick Games, a range of games. Yankee
Speaker 2: Games City, you know, the statue of liberty, to empire,
Speaker 2: state building. The city is a beautiful place, but not
Speaker 2: to live, you know what I mean. I don't want
Speaker 2: to live in the city. I want to live up
Speaker 2: here in the country, you know, an hour and a
Speaker 2: half away, you know, up in the woods I got.
Speaker 2: I got about one hundred acres of woods behind my
Speaker 2: house that was all apple orchards, and across the street,
Speaker 2: I have another one hundred acres of wetlands. And I
Speaker 2: like where I like. We don't have any sidewalks, we
Speaker 2: don't have any street lights. I love living up in
Speaker 2: the country, you know.
Speaker 3: All right, Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: A lot of your a lot of your upper class,
Speaker 1: upper class, rich city people are now moving to.
Speaker 2: The country, screwing everything up, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, they're making they're making the cost of living go
Speaker 1: up in the in these you know, country areas. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're they're buying up all our
Speaker 2: farms and turning them into a million dollar homes. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's all I see them. All right. Yeah, it works
Speaker 2: for me because it makes the value of my house
Speaker 2: go up. But I got to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: Ever since COVID, all those people that moved up from
Speaker 2: the city. You don't know how much dirtier it is
Speaker 2: now with these people living up here, because they just
Speaker 2: to throw their crap out the windows of their cars,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. They don't bring it home
Speaker 2: with them and throw it in the garbage. And it
Speaker 2: drives me absolutely insane when I see that stuff on
Speaker 2: the side of the road or you know, on the
Speaker 2: parkway and stuff. It was never like that before. You know,
Speaker 2: I've been up here in thirty years, and when I
Speaker 2: moved up here was really rural and it was beautiful
Speaker 2: and it was peaceful, and there were no city folks
Speaker 2: up there. That was the only city folk up here,
Speaker 2: you know. And now it's it's they're really you know,
Speaker 2: they're they're very inconsiderate people, and they I think everybody
Speaker 2: should pick up after them like they're above you, you know,
Speaker 2: because they're rich and stuff. And it makes makes me insane.
Speaker 2: But you know, that's one of my pet peeves.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a question regarding I wanted to go back
Speaker 1: to when you were talking about the experience you heard.
Speaker 1: You've heard the scream on a couple of different occasions.
Speaker 1: One of the one of the ways you described it
Speaker 1: was blood curdling.
Speaker 2: Well, the blood curdling scream, the blood curdling scream was
Speaker 2: actually the Brahma ble get his head ripped off.
Speaker 3: Oh, it was the bull that was making that noise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh okay. When I heard the bigfoot scream at
Speaker 2: towards the window, when he thought there was another skunk
Speaker 2: ape there in the yard, you know, with him, that
Speaker 2: was totally totally different than the than the Brahma bule
Speaker 2: get its head ripped off. Yeah, it wasn't blood curdling.
Speaker 2: It was deeper. It was more of like a roar,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 2: more of a roar. It was weird because I'm behind
Speaker 2: a plate glass window and when it screamed at the
Speaker 2: its reflection in the window, I could swear I felt
Speaker 2: they come through the window and my hair get blown back,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It was that powerful, you know.
Speaker 2: And when it got off into the woods where we
Speaker 2: used to have our bonfires and ride our dirt bikes
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and it would go off in
Speaker 2: there and it would echo through the woods. The animals,
Speaker 2: all the animals, the horses and the cows, all the
Speaker 2: animals were the dogs in the Neighborhoo would go off
Speaker 2: everything when everything was just crazy, when crazy, you know,
Speaker 2: when it when they did that.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So is there any.
Speaker 1: Kind of animal that you could like compare it to
Speaker 1: or was it something just totally unique itself?
Speaker 2: The sound only other thing I ever heard that sounds
Speaker 2: not that it sound like the skunk ape, but it
Speaker 2: was just as powerful. Was I heard a lion one
Speaker 2: time at the zoo having a bad day, and it
Speaker 2: was going off, I mean really really going off, so
Speaker 2: much so that the people in that area where he
Speaker 2: was were all running away, you know what I mean. Wow,
Speaker 2: And everybody was running away from it, and you could
Speaker 2: feel like the the infrasound hitting you and freaking you out,
Speaker 2: you know, like my wife and kids, they stopped dead
Speaker 2: in their tracks, like where going any further? And the
Speaker 2: people that were in the area, because the way the
Speaker 2: lion then was set up, it was down in a pit,
Speaker 2: you know, so that war was coming up over the pit,
Speaker 2: and as everybody was running away from the lion, I
Speaker 2: ran towards it, you know what I mean. It was
Speaker 2: the only thing that I ever heard at that time
Speaker 2: that sound like it sounded like the big Foot, you know,
Speaker 2: it was that deep and that powerful and just that scary.
Speaker 2: You know, wow, it was really really this lion was
Speaker 2: having a bad day. I don't know what this problem was,
Speaker 2: but man, he was going off. And then the only
Speaker 2: other thing I felt I ever heard that was as
Speaker 2: powerful as that was a dog man. But it was
Speaker 2: a totally different kind of sound that didn't sound like
Speaker 2: a big foot in any way, shape or form, but
Speaker 2: you could feel the power of its force when it's
Speaker 2: when it screamed or howled or whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call what it was doing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That was the only other thing I ever felt that
Speaker 2: felt that powerful, totally different sound but just as powerful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they must have one heck of a set
Speaker 1: of lungs on them, because I mean, I've heard other
Speaker 1: stories where people like describe some very loud like baring
Speaker 1: yells or screams.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah they do when they do the one
Speaker 2: thing you can you will never mistake a dog man
Speaker 2: going off for a big foot, believe me. And they're not.
Speaker 2: They're they don't even it's not even close. It's not
Speaker 2: even close. The dog man's got this real weird, raspy
Speaker 2: kind of howl. Scream, whatever you want, to call it,
Speaker 2: where the Bigfoot is much more basier, deeper, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't have like that, that's that rough kind of screen
Speaker 2: to it. It's just pure power, you know, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's just totally different, different sounds, but they're
Speaker 2: both as powerful. But the only day I ever heard
Speaker 2: that sounded like the big Foot of the skunk gpe
Speaker 2: was the lion.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's awesome though. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I couldn't believe it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like I flashed back to twelve years old when I
Speaker 2: was a kid in Florida when I heard that thing
Speaker 2: go off, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you never forget any experience like that.
Speaker 2: No, And I had to go see for myself that
Speaker 2: it was actually a lion and not a skunkcape, you
Speaker 2: know right. Like my wife and kids were like, no,
Speaker 2: we're not going down there, Dad will stay up here.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I'm like that, you know, right.
Speaker 3: So do you think since the seventies.
Speaker 1: Up to modern times do you think the sightings may
Speaker 1: have increased or perhaps decreased?
Speaker 4: Oh second, yeah, I got you back, Okay, okay there,
Speaker 4: so yeah, yeah, since the seventies up to now, do
Speaker 4: you think sightings either increased or decreased over time, or
Speaker 4: what's your take on that.
Speaker 2: I think they increased. I think there's more there's more
Speaker 2: people intruding on their on their lands. Number one. I
Speaker 2: think Colvin made a lot of people hikers, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, And campers. They got a lot of yeah,
Speaker 2: you know. So I think there's more people in the
Speaker 2: woods hiking. I think they're they're they're they're invading. They're builders.
Speaker 2: Builders are invading on their territory and build. Like I said,
Speaker 2: up here, we're losing all our farms to these giant,
Speaker 2: million dollar homes, you know, where before it was just cattle, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, and horses and stuff like that. So there's
Speaker 2: more people up here now, there's more people hiking. I
Speaker 2: mean when I go out and and I'm I hate
Speaker 2: to he's the term researcher because I'm really not. But
Speaker 2: when I'm just out there investigating, running around looking for stuff,
Speaker 2: and I see people in the woods, like these yuppies
Speaker 2: and stuff with their kids, and the kids are like
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty feet ahead of the parents, and
Speaker 2: the parents are on the phone and no one's paying attention.
Speaker 2: These kids are running around and I'm thinking, my god, man,
Speaker 2: pay attention to your kids. Something can grab something. Not
Speaker 2: only could something grab them like a big foot or
Speaker 2: a dog man. But you know, we have I don't
Speaker 2: care what anybody says. We have mountain lions in New York. Now,
Speaker 2: we have black bear. We even have wolves. The wolves
Speaker 2: are even back now, you know. So I mean, yeah, somebody, somebody,
Speaker 2: something can grab your child. And by the time you
Speaker 2: get around that bend to see where your child is,
Speaker 2: your child to be gone. And they walk around the woods,
Speaker 2: they walk around, they go in on arms. They're not carrying.
Speaker 2: I mean not that everybody should have a firearm on them,
Speaker 2: but at least some kind of survival knife or a
Speaker 2: walking stick or something to protect yourself in case you
Speaker 2: come up against a wild animal, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, some strong bear spray or something, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Pepper, some kind of bear spray, something that can you
Speaker 2: could put between you and a wild animal. Because the
Speaker 2: woods are there's just tons of wild animals up here,
Speaker 2: and and these kids are running around. The parents are
Speaker 2: oblivious to it. And I'm like, you know, who am
Speaker 2: I to tell them how to raise their kids, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So I keep my mouth shutting
Speaker 2: I just watch and say, I say a prayers, and
Speaker 2: I hope these people, you know, catch up to those
Speaker 2: kids before they get taken or something, you know, because
Speaker 2: I know what's in these woods. I spend a lot
Speaker 2: of time in these woods that night, you know, and
Speaker 2: I go in on all different kinds of you know,
Speaker 2: evenings I go out. I'll go in on Halloween. I'll
Speaker 2: go in on a full moon. I'll go in when
Speaker 2: there's no moon. I'll go in when there's a lunar eclipse,
Speaker 2: when there's a solar eclipse. I'm always going out in
Speaker 2: different times because I'm out there investigating how what's out
Speaker 2: there on certain nights and how the energy changes and
Speaker 2: all of that stuff, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: I know it's out there. Man. I've seen so much
Speaker 2: stuff in the woods that you know, if I tell
Speaker 2: people what I've seen, that would definitely put me in
Speaker 2: a straight jacket and throw me in a panted room
Speaker 2: and throw the key away. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, considering you know things I know. Back
Speaker 1: when I first got involved with all this, you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't hear too many people talk about it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's only about fifteen years ago. But I mean people were,
Speaker 1: I guess, but they were more online. I discovered when
Speaker 1: I got on social media. I discovered that, Wow, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people all with this. But you know,
Speaker 1: they stayed inside their little groups on social media, you know,
Speaker 1: and discuss theories and different things. But you know, I guess.
Speaker 3: Over the years, more and more and more got out.
Speaker 1: You know, it was becoming I guess the best way
Speaker 1: to put it, less taboo. You know, reality was becoming more.
Speaker 1: It was becoming more of a reality to people, you know,
Speaker 1: even to the skeptics. I mean, there's more and more
Speaker 1: skeptics now than anything there. You know, I like a
Speaker 1: good healthy skeptic because they're considering that possibility.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, well you need you need to be
Speaker 2: you need to be. You need the skeptics to be
Speaker 2: out there to question everything you do. And you and
Speaker 2: I believe you should question everything.
Speaker 3: You know absolutely.
Speaker 2: You know, there are some people that no matter what
Speaker 2: you tell them or what you show them or how
Speaker 2: you present it, they're just not going to buy it
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form, you know, And then
Speaker 2: you have you know, and I understand because uh, it
Speaker 2: was bad enough with CGI and paradolia and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And now we have AI and it's forget about it.
Speaker 2: It's gonna make stuff impossible to know the truth, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So absolutely AI is flirting social media.
Speaker 3: I mean there are.
Speaker 1: These fake pages putting out fake flyers and posters from
Speaker 1: movies that are not even happening, you know, So you know,
Speaker 1: and now they're even using celebrity or they use AI
Speaker 1: images on creating celebrities and like you know, and so
Speaker 1: much more.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I got them come across my feud
Speaker 2: all the time. There's celebrities promoting something that they know
Speaker 2: nothing about, you know what I mean, right, you know,
Speaker 2: But but it's just gonna make it's gonna make the
Speaker 2: legitimate research is life a lot harder, you know, to
Speaker 2: prove the real photos, you know, compared to the fake
Speaker 2: ones and the real audio and stuff like that. So
Speaker 2: you know, I have all that equipment and I and
Speaker 2: I use it all. You know, I got everything when
Speaker 2: I go out, I got all kinds of digital I
Speaker 2: always you know, I always tell everybody, if you're gonna
Speaker 2: invest in digital voice recorders, get two from two different
Speaker 2: manufacturers because they use different frequencies. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And what you miss the one you may catch on
Speaker 2: the other. I got all of that stuff. I got
Speaker 2: a full spectrum, I got a night vision, I got
Speaker 2: a thermal, I got all kinds of stuff. But I'm
Speaker 2: more into at this stage of the game environmental readings
Speaker 2: and how the readings change when stuff is presented to
Speaker 2: the environment and what brings what in. There are certain
Speaker 2: frequencies and vibrations and stuff like that that you can
Speaker 2: put out there to bring to see what comes in.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's not always bringing in a Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Maybe sometimes you'll bring in a wind to go or
Speaker 2: dog man. You know, you don't know because you're experimenting
Speaker 2: with all of this stuff and you and you're just
Speaker 2: seeing what happens, you know what I mean. And we
Speaker 2: ran into something last this this Halloween was it this
Speaker 2: Helloween though I think it was last Halloween. My cousin
Speaker 2: and I were out there and we ran into something.
Speaker 2: Psychic said, you're gonna see I have a team psychic.
Speaker 2: She's from Arkansas, she's Native American. She's like fifth generation psychic.
Speaker 2: And she didn't even tell me she was a psychic
Speaker 2: till three years after we knew each other, and she
Speaker 2: told us she is you're gonna see something. She called
Speaker 2: it a bear squad. She said, it looks like a bear.
Speaker 2: It looks like a bigfoot, but it's got a bear's head.
Speaker 2: Be careful with this thing. It's very, very dangerous, you know.
Speaker 2: And I gotta be honest with you. When she tells
Speaker 2: me stuff like that, I think, like, what are you smoking?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? But I've been working with
Speaker 2: this woman for like fifteen years, and she's never wrong. Oh.
Speaker 2: Whatever she said this is going to happen, happens. And
Speaker 2: my cousin and I were out there and it was
Speaker 2: like a Halloween and it was like a lunar eclipse
Speaker 2: or something like that, and she said this thing was
Speaker 2: going to come out. And I had these quick, little,
Speaker 2: quick little story. I had glow sticks set up in
Speaker 2: a circle around us. It's different color glow sticks, and
Speaker 2: at one end of the one end of the area,
Speaker 2: I had a yellow glow stick, and at one point
Speaker 2: I was seeing three yellow gloves sticks. So I turned
Speaker 2: to my cousin and go, sure, am I losing my mind?
Speaker 2: Or is it three yellow glow sticks looking back at us?
Speaker 2: And he goes, yeah, he goes, that's weird. There was
Speaker 2: only one in that pack, and I go, yeah, what
Speaker 2: the hell was that? So I said, come on, let's
Speaker 2: go see what it is. So we got up and
Speaker 2: we put our headlamps on. We had really powerful headlamps,
Speaker 2: and we're walking over. They go say, that night there
Speaker 2: was like one percent of the moon, so it was
Speaker 2: really dark. So we're looking over and we get about
Speaker 2: fifty feet maybe seventy five feet away from it, and
Speaker 2: two the yellow glow sticks blink. So I stopped my
Speaker 2: cousin because but this is like the first time my
Speaker 2: cousin's ever been out squatshing, you know. And I stop
Speaker 2: him and I say, Sean, light your machete. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: plow my machete because I don't know what we're walking
Speaker 2: into here. So we start walking again, and we got
Speaker 2: our headlamps. There were there. They were food. They went
Speaker 2: from flood to spot and put them on flood so
Speaker 2: we can light up as much area as we can,
Speaker 2: you know. And as we're getting closer, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: this thing starts to stand up and it goes up,
Speaker 2: and it's going up and up and up and up.
Speaker 2: This thing is like ten feet tall, two thousand pounds
Speaker 2: and We're looking up at this thing and it's looking
Speaker 2: at us, and my cousin's like, yo, cous what are
Speaker 2: we doing? So we should start backing out. And as
Speaker 2: we start to back out, it turns and it runs
Speaker 2: north up the woods and it was like a four
Speaker 2: foot stone wall and up here and then you probably know,
Speaker 2: being from Massachusetts, we have a lot of stone walls
Speaker 2: that just run through the woods in all different directions. Well,
Speaker 2: this thing, we heard it crash through the woods and
Speaker 2: I thought it was taking down treet I thought it
Speaker 2: jumped over the stone wall and was taking down trees
Speaker 2: on the other side. Well, the last time we went back,
Speaker 2: we noticed that it had run through the stone wall.
Speaker 2: It ran right through this stone wall that was four
Speaker 2: feet high and about two feet thick, and it knocked
Speaker 2: all the stones into the other direction, running north. And
Speaker 2: at that point I called the psychic and she said, well,
Speaker 2: I told you this thing was dangerous. Why did you
Speaker 2: guys go towards it? And I was like, because we
Speaker 2: didn't know what it was, and I wanted to see
Speaker 2: what it was. I wanted to see what was looking
Speaker 2: at us, you know, never thinking that it was a
Speaker 2: bear squatch until we got right, we've seen it, you know.
Speaker 2: And because I was thinking, she was saying bear squatch
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking gugway maybe, you know, but I never
Speaker 2: heard of a gugway in the Northeast, you know. And
Speaker 2: so then we called her and she said, it's time
Speaker 2: for you guys to leave, you know. So we said, okay,
Speaker 2: we'll leave. And as we were leaving along the Appalachian Trail,
Speaker 2: we were walking along the fifty two acre lake. The
Speaker 2: trail ran along this lake. This thing must have came
Speaker 2: back and threw a stone at us that was like
Speaker 2: the size I don't know. It had to be like
Speaker 2: a two hundred pounds stone because when it hit the lake,
Speaker 2: the splash went up like twenty five feet, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And my cousin was like, what's that. I told him
Speaker 2: it was a beaver, just a beaver, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: He's from the city, he doesn't know, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not familiar with the with the woods the country. So
Speaker 2: he goes, that was just a beaver. I go, yeah,
Speaker 2: we got big beavers up here, you know. And we
Speaker 2: hiked out without any incident. And then when we got
Speaker 2: to the car, I told him I said, yeah, I
Speaker 2: just want to let you know that wasn't a beaver,
Speaker 2: because yeah, I didn't think it was, but but we looked.
Speaker 2: We looked up up on the hill because right where
Speaker 2: we were there had been like a fire at one
Speaker 2: point in the woods, so it was a clear clear
Speaker 2: almost like a clear cut from the fire. And we
Speaker 2: were looking up there with our high powered headlamps and
Speaker 2: our headlamps I didn't go like seven hundred feet when
Speaker 2: you put them in the spot, and we were looking
Speaker 2: for eye shine and everything, and we didn't see nothing
Speaker 2: up there. So whatever this thing was, it was hiding
Speaker 2: either behind a really big tree or a really big rock,
Speaker 2: you know, because we didn't see any eye shine, We
Speaker 2: didn't see anything you know, up there. But it definitely
Speaker 2: the rock definitely came from above us, you know, to
Speaker 2: the and over our heads. It wasn't trying to hit us,
Speaker 2: I don't think. I think it was just trying to
Speaker 2: get us out of that location. You know, we were
Speaker 2: leaving anyway.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think the most cases, when you know,
Speaker 1: when rocks get thrown, which I've had a football size
Speaker 1: stone thrown at me some years ago, you know, and
Speaker 1: and I I think, yeah, exactly what you said. I
Speaker 1: honestly believe they are just trying to intimidate you, like, hey,
Speaker 1: get out of this area. You don't belong here, You're
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason, you know, either if that's
Speaker 1: the area they're inhabiting, or like the incident I had,
Speaker 1: I think because there was young ones in the area,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and you know they were just trying
Speaker 1: to protect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean they When I go out into
Speaker 2: the woods, I don't usually light a fire for two reasons.
Speaker 2: They I don't want to burn the woods down because
Speaker 2: it's always in the fall. And number two, I don't
Speaker 2: want to give away my location to anybody that may
Speaker 2: be out there, you know. So I have glow sticks.
Speaker 2: I put glow sticks down and whenever we're out there,
Speaker 2: and I have like five different locations I go to
Speaker 2: because different times of the year are different clans and
Speaker 2: different different locations. And no matter where I go to,
Speaker 2: I'll put a circle of glow sticks down around us,
Speaker 2: and at some point during the night, they'll come in
Speaker 2: and they'll start throwing a little at us. No one
Speaker 2: ever gets hit. The rocks land on the other side
Speaker 2: of the glow sticks. They don't even land in the circle.
Speaker 2: But when they want you to go, they'll let you
Speaker 2: know it's time to go, and then you have to go.
Speaker 2: And we usually get herded out to a certain point,
Speaker 2: you know, Like one of my locations is four miles
Speaker 2: deep in, so we get to about the two mile point.
Speaker 2: That's when they usually stop and turn around and go back.
Speaker 2: But we usually get heurted out to that location, so
Speaker 2: they know that we're actually leaving.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: But like I said, we never One time, we were
Speaker 2: actually doing an investigation on Hollow's Eve and it was
Speaker 2: a full moon and it was a meteor shower and
Speaker 2: we didn't know what to really expect, and we heard
Speaker 2: a fast squatch walk over to us with the parabolic
Speaker 2: mic and it was walking over to us and it
Speaker 2: was heavy and it whooped three times at us. Of course,
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to leave because the night was just
Speaker 2: getting started and I thought there was I just felt
Speaker 2: like there was more to come. And at one point
Speaker 2: we didn't know that we were camped out right above
Speaker 2: a dogman then, you know, so we weren't arms way,
Speaker 2: but we didn't know that it wasn't We weren't there
Speaker 2: for the dogman. We were just there because I found
Speaker 2: this location that was really it had three quartz crystal
Speaker 2: stones set up like in a pyramid, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to do all kinds of experiments. And then we were
Speaker 2: going to work our way back. We had three locations
Speaker 2: picked out that night, and work our way back towards
Speaker 2: the car. But we're sitting there and we got the
Speaker 2: three whoops, and you know, and my camera guys like,
Speaker 2: I think it's time to go, and I go, no, no,
Speaker 2: not yet, and we heard him come over with the
Speaker 2: parabolic mic sounded like, you know, sounded like he weighed,
Speaker 2: you know, a thousand pounds the way he was walking.
Speaker 2: And at one point, this bigfoot threw a stone the
Speaker 2: sides of a bowl and ball. We were up on
Speaker 2: a ridge about forty feet above the swamp and it
Speaker 2: was west of the swamp, maybe one hundred feet west
Speaker 2: of us, below us. It threw this stone. Not only
Speaker 2: did it throw the stone up towards us, but he
Speaker 2: threw it over the top of the trees we were
Speaker 2: sitting under. And this stone came down between me, my
Speaker 2: cameraman and my tech guy and landed between us and
Speaker 2: rolled down and hit my tech guy's chair and my
Speaker 2: tech guy was like, I think it's time to go,
Speaker 2: you know, And I was like, no, I'm not ready
Speaker 2: to leave yet. But he threw that stone. It was
Speaker 2: a boll and ball sized stone. If that would have
Speaker 2: hit anybody, it would have killed us. Oh yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: he got it, He get it. He got it. He
Speaker 2: got it in between three people perfectly, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And he was trying to get us out
Speaker 2: of there because we were in harms way. The long
Speaker 2: story short, later on that night the dog man did
Speaker 2: bluff charge us, come charging up the ridge, but that's
Speaker 2: a different story. But he was trying to get us
Speaker 2: out of there because we were in harm's leg, you know.
Speaker 2: But we didn't know, We had no clue that, you know,
Speaker 2: there was a dog man den in the swamp. We
Speaker 2: couldn't see the way it was situated. It was camouflage perfect,
Speaker 2: you know, behind the pack cattails that were like fifteen
Speaker 2: feet high and stuff like that. So we well, even
Speaker 2: being up on the ridge, you couldn't see. You couldn't
Speaker 2: tell there was a den in the swamp, you know.
Speaker 2: So but like I said, I don't think they throw
Speaker 2: stones at us hurt us. I think they want us.
Speaker 2: I think they're letting when they start with the little stones.
Speaker 2: And again, this is just one man's opinion, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Don't kill me on this, but I
Speaker 2: think when he throw the little stones at us, they
Speaker 2: want you to know they're there. We're here now, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And then, like I said, we
Speaker 2: were out of that one time and they were ready
Speaker 2: for us to leave, and they broke a branch, a
Speaker 2: fresh branch. It must have been had to be six
Speaker 2: inches in diameter, but it was fresh because when this
Speaker 2: branch broke, it sounded like a thirty odd six going
Speaker 2: off by your ear. You know, if you would have
Speaker 2: heard it from the other side of the woods, you
Speaker 2: would have thought it was a gunshot. And I said, okay,
Speaker 2: now it's time for us to go. That was like, okay,
Speaker 2: it's time for you guys to go.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: We want to hunt or whatever we want to do.
Speaker 2: And you're in our way, and we packed up and
Speaker 2: we left, you know, like, okay, you know, we're in
Speaker 2: your we're in your home. We're going to leave now,
Speaker 2: you know. And uh, and we left, you know, but.
Speaker 3: It was all this stuff in New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all in New York.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very cool.
Speaker 1: Now do you still do like campouts and in investigations
Speaker 1: till this day?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, we went out. We went out this Halloween too.
Speaker 2: Yeah we had enoughhing happened. We had nothing happened to
Speaker 2: Halloween too, but uh, yeah we go. I like to
Speaker 2: go out a couple of times during I like to
Speaker 2: go out once in the summer, at least once in
Speaker 2: the summer, once in the fall, once in this once
Speaker 2: in the spring, summer, fall, and once in the winter.
Speaker 2: Because you know, the ones up here, they're not migrating
Speaker 2: south down to Florida, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: believe they migrate, but I believe again one man's opinion.
Speaker 2: Don't kill me on this. I believe they migrate in
Speaker 2: a circular pattern, you know what I mean. And that
Speaker 2: and that range may be you know, three thousand miles
Speaker 2: worth of range. I don't, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Because they're and I think they do that so they
Speaker 2: don't kill all the prey, all the animals out in
Speaker 2: the area that they're eating, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And it takes them, it takes them like a whole
Speaker 2: year to get back to your location. That's why I said,
Speaker 2: I got five different locations, and each each location is
Speaker 2: a different plan there at a different time of the year,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, but the one location
Speaker 2: I've been working at the longest I call the Sacred Site.
Speaker 2: I've been working there the longest, and they're always there.
Speaker 2: They're there in the summer, you know, to a certain extent,
Speaker 2: but they're always there in the fall. They're always there
Speaker 2: in the floor. And I think they're there because there's
Speaker 2: a lot of acorns there. I mean, zillions and zillions
Speaker 2: of acorns. There's just so many of them, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And I think they're they're harvesting those acorns and they're
Speaker 2: eating they're eating those they're putting them away for the winter,
Speaker 2: you know, for protein during the winter. So oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yeah, just again, just one man's opinion,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's totally cool.
Speaker 1: The one reason I was asking if you still do
Speaker 1: all that is, you know, we we usually host two
Speaker 1: group camp outs. Usually we try to do one in
Speaker 1: spring and one in the fall. Our actually next schedule
Speaker 1: one is coming up May. It's May eighteenth through the
Speaker 1: twenty fourth. The location where, of course it's here in
Speaker 1: Virginia and we're in a different area than we normally
Speaker 1: camp at because this area here is very interesting and
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of reports from there.
Speaker 3: But we're returning there.
Speaker 1: We were there back in October, but we're returning here
Speaker 1: come May. And I was going to say, if you're
Speaker 1: up for I wanted to throw the invite out to you,
Speaker 1: you and your crew. If you guys want to come
Speaker 1: down and camp out with us and check that area out,
Speaker 1: you're more than welcome to you.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I got to be brutally honest, which I
Speaker 2: would love to do that in a heartbeat, but my
Speaker 2: anniversary falls on May fourteenth. Yea, oh, well, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I know my wife would be happy
Speaker 2: if I left to go down there for around our anniversary,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But it may be a
Speaker 2: little difficult to get away at that time. But are
Speaker 2: you like in the Shannondola Valley or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly Yeah, that's exactly where I'm at.
Speaker 2: So we're at yeah, yeah, yeah, I know there's at
Speaker 2: a hot spot down there for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2: I would love to do it, Believe me, I would.
Speaker 2: I would be down to me. My cousin. We would
Speaker 2: be down here in a heartbeat. I'd even invite Chris
Speaker 2: rein Harfro discover Sasquatch because he's, oh yeah, he's been
Speaker 2: coming down to my location. And I was supposed to
Speaker 2: go up to his location this uh this fall with him,
Speaker 2: but something came up and I couldn't make it up there,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, and like I said,
Speaker 2: he's he's like an hour and a half north to
Speaker 2: me in Connecticut. But you know, so I'm going with him.
Speaker 2: I want he's coming with me. I'm going up to
Speaker 2: his location where we're sharing locations and doing stuff. And
Speaker 2: so you know, I know Chris would do it in
Speaker 2: a heartbeat. Chris's Chris goes all over the United States,
Speaker 2: and he went he went with Doug Hicheck last two
Speaker 2: years up to snow Grove with them. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, So I mean.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know Chris would do it in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: You know, I just would have to be able to
Speaker 2: work around my anniversary.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I totally get that. No, that's totally
Speaker 1: understanding of camping.
Speaker 2: I pulled all the camping gear and everything last summer.
Speaker 2: I got all kinds of stuff, all brand new stuff
Speaker 2: because Chris and I plan on camping out at these locations,
Speaker 2: you know, and we just haven't got around to it yet.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: Well i'll definitely you know, let you know about when
Speaker 1: we schedule our fall our next ball one, which we're
Speaker 1: gonna probably do around September. We did October this last
Speaker 1: year of this past year here, but uh, usually we
Speaker 1: try to do it in September. Of course October. It
Speaker 1: was pretty good in October, but yeah, we had some
Speaker 1: very cold nights. They dropped down into the teams.
Speaker 3: Uh you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we had a couple of cold night it's
Speaker 1: out there in October, but it's uh, you know, we're
Speaker 1: out here in the mountains too, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Mountains, absolutely, Yeah, I know. I've been out there. I've
Speaker 2: been out. I've been It seems like every time I
Speaker 2: go out, it's always like, you know, twenty degrees or
Speaker 2: fifteen degrees or twelve degrees. It's never nice and warm.
Speaker 2: You know, Like when I go out in the fall,
Speaker 2: you think, okay, let's get out there in October. It
Speaker 2: shouldn't really be that bad. But as it seems like
Speaker 2: every time I go out, it's always in the teens,
Speaker 2: you know, always it's always cold out, you know, it's time.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have a ski suit that I wear
Speaker 2: a body it's a full body ski suit, and yeah,
Speaker 2: it's waterproof and all of that stuff, and it really
Speaker 2: does keep you warm, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 2: a great It's a great thing to have if you're
Speaker 2: going to be out in the elements doing this kind
Speaker 2: of research, you know, right. I love it to death
Speaker 2: and it works great. But you know, the other guys
Speaker 2: that I'm with don't have that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: And they can only take the cold for so long
Speaker 2: and then they everybody wants to pack up and go,
Speaker 2: you know, so, uh, you have to you have to
Speaker 2: be a team player, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 2: do what everybody wants to do.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I get that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would love to come down here, man.
Speaker 2: I would be down there in a heartbeat. Absolutely, I
Speaker 2: would be down. I would love to get into the
Speaker 2: Shannanolah Valley. Oh my god, not only for the sasquat stuff,
Speaker 2: but the paranormal stuff. Oh my god, must be insane.
Speaker 1: Oh there's plenty of that around here.
Speaker 2: I mean, I could imagine, Oh, my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got some friends of mine, real good friends
Speaker 1: of mine who actually.
Speaker 3: Are well, they're sponsors for.
Speaker 1: My event as well that I put on every June
Speaker 1: down here and there. They're a paranormal team, which they
Speaker 1: have their own paranormal series going on called Hometown Haunts,
Speaker 1: and I was actually the very first one.
Speaker 3: They filmed for.
Speaker 1: It's called the Beast of Elkhorn Lake, who was based
Speaker 1: off of my twenty fourteen characters. Okay, that yeah, they
Speaker 1: they got Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I bet my bottom dollar I've
Speaker 2: seen that for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, of course that's that's around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was filmed.
Speaker 1: That was my main research area. But I mean there's
Speaker 1: other areas I've been investigating as well. It's all part
Speaker 1: of the National Forest, don't get me wrong, but yes,
Speaker 1: but yeah, there's other areas I kind of been neglecting,
Speaker 1: and you know where things are slowly starting to heat
Speaker 1: up a little bit in some of the years as
Speaker 1: we learned a little bit more information and you know.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, again, we'll be there in May and
Speaker 1: I'm sure probably.
Speaker 2: Let me write those dates down, give me those dates again.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here by my desk I got the paper
Speaker 2: paper right here, give me, give me those dates again.
Speaker 1: So the spring camp out May eighteenth of the twenty
Speaker 1: four spring. Yeah, now we yeah, we don't have dates
Speaker 1: uh for the fall one quite yet, but that will
Speaker 1: be in September.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, so you know, and then if
Speaker 2: you want to, may be able to make it because
Speaker 2: it's after my it's after my anniversary, so you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean if you can't, just see I
Speaker 1: keep in touch and let me know because I only
Speaker 1: I don't put the location out publicly on social media.
Speaker 1: I only give it out like the GBS formats to
Speaker 1: those who I talk to you personally about it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'd love yeah man.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Because we learned after a few of us
Speaker 1: have left, my friends David and Melissa were still at
Speaker 1: camp and there was another couple that came down from
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and uh, to make a long story short, uh,
Speaker 1: the couple that were there, you know, from where our
Speaker 1: campus said up at They rode down the gravel road
Speaker 1: to the gate to where you have to park at
Speaker 1: the gate and walk in to get to where the
Speaker 1: lake is. And they had just pulled into they were
Speaker 1: just pulling up to the gate and the wife was
Speaker 1: looking over as they were turning in making that turn
Speaker 1: to park. The wife thought she saw a bear. And
Speaker 1: keep in mind, she doesn't have no comprehension of wildlife,
Speaker 1: how they behave and what they do. Right, she's looking
Speaker 1: over and she's telling her husband, oh my god, there's
Speaker 1: a bear.
Speaker 3: There's a bear, you know. And then her husband's like, oh, no,
Speaker 3: don't worry about it. Don't worry about no bears.
Speaker 1: They're not going to bother the rest. Plus I got
Speaker 1: my side on with me, blah blah blah. Well, after
Speaker 1: they leave that area and go back to camp, she
Speaker 1: starts talking about it. And she's talking with you know,
Speaker 1: David and Melissa, and her husband even didn't even know
Speaker 1: the details. But when she looked over and saw it,
Speaker 1: she started standing there off the edge of behind the gate,
Speaker 1: behind some trees, and all of a sudden, she said,
Speaker 1: it ran off really fast after standing there, and like,
Speaker 1: they were like, what are you talking about? Ran off?
Speaker 1: Like you know, she said it was on two feet.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: She described it standing up and it ran off while
Speaker 1: it was channing up, and they were like, bears don't
Speaker 1: run on two feet. They will stand and walk a
Speaker 1: little bit on some occasions. But for what she saw,
Speaker 1: it was standing around almost six feet tall and jetted
Speaker 1: across that forest road back into the woods, and it
Speaker 1: was on two feet the whole time. So we believe
Speaker 1: she saw it small. Yeah, that's what we were thinking.
Speaker 1: But after they explained to her and got the details
Speaker 1: from her, it's like, yeah, you didn't see a bear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but you're probably better off not telling her
Speaker 2: she's because you probably didn't sleep the whole time she
Speaker 2: was down there.
Speaker 1: Well, they came down they well, I guess they felt
Speaker 1: kind of secure and we were all tank camping. They
Speaker 1: had they brought the small camp. Yeah, they brought a
Speaker 1: camper with them, Okay, yeah, So and they had their
Speaker 1: you know, they had their little dog too. So and
Speaker 1: my friend David Melissa, they bring your German shepherd with her,
Speaker 1: you know, with them, So and that German somebody. Her
Speaker 1: name's Luna. She's still a young, young dog. But she's
Speaker 1: very nice to have around because you could tell it's
Speaker 1: interesting watch her at night when we're sitting around the fire.
Speaker 1: She'll send things. You can see her get alerted to
Speaker 1: certain things, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the one thing I had the German shepherds
Speaker 2: for fourteen years. That the best lugs in the world.
Speaker 2: The one thing about German shepherds they're very voicy, so
Speaker 2: they will let you know if there's something around. They
Speaker 2: will start barking and barking and barking. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: They love to hear themselves bark.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, she's a good dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love but uh yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of history around the area. The information,
Speaker 1: a lot of the reports and the information I've learned,
Speaker 1: uh from this particular location. You won't find information on
Speaker 1: the data the b f r O database. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people out in this area they don't
Speaker 1: they don't talk openly or some of them, A lot
Speaker 1: of them don't know about the bf r O, you know,
Speaker 1: right right, you know, I mean you're this is these
Speaker 1: a country folks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I do a lot of I do. I
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time either at pow wows talking
Speaker 2: to the elders or the medicine men, oh yeah, to
Speaker 2: pick their brains. We have an Airquois museum up here
Speaker 2: not too far from me that I spend a lot
Speaker 2: of time at. You know, now that they know who
Speaker 2: I am. They will talk to me openly about certain
Speaker 2: things that they wouldn't do in the beginning, you know,
Speaker 2: but after being there a lot, you know, and then
Speaker 2: getting used to seeing you there, and hey, you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm one of those guys that can I ask
Speaker 2: you a question? Can I ask you a question? You know?
Speaker 2: And one leads to another. And I'm the type of
Speaker 2: guy like my son won't go my son won't go
Speaker 2: anywhere with me because I'm the type of guy. If
Speaker 2: I make eye contact you with you online at the
Speaker 2: grocery store, we can get into a half hour conversation
Speaker 2: like we've known each other our whole lives, you know.
Speaker 2: So my son won't go out with me just because
Speaker 2: I talk to anybody and everybody, you know. But oh
Speaker 2: that's the way you find stuff out, you know, and
Speaker 2: and yeah, you learn things, you know, like I was
Speaker 2: told about this. There was a little a Native American
Speaker 2: shop in my town when I first moved up here
Speaker 2: thirty years ago, and that's how I met the I
Speaker 2: think they were Mohegans. I think they were from the
Speaker 2: Mohegan truck. That's how I met the elders there, and
Speaker 2: then they turned me on to the there's a couple
Speaker 2: of different and how wills that they do where you
Speaker 2: get like five or six different tribes, you know, and
Speaker 2: then you know, you go there and now I have
Speaker 2: it in because I know the I know the elder
Speaker 2: from this from the store, you know, in the Native
Speaker 2: American store, and then he introduces me to these people
Speaker 2: and he's start talking in because you have an inn
Speaker 2: who is someone who's an elder that's well respected, they'll
Speaker 2: talk to you about stuff. You know, if you just
Speaker 2: go in there cold and I don't know you from
Speaker 2: a hole in the world, you're never going to get
Speaker 2: anything from anybody, you know.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1: I learned through uh from my father's father's side of
Speaker 1: the family, because my father's father, he's Canadian French and
Speaker 1: somewhere along the lines he's got what they called nick
Speaker 1: Mac Indians, which they originated out in Nova Scotia and
Speaker 1: settled in the main and through other parts of Canada.
Speaker 1: And also there there is air Corps from my understanding,
Speaker 1: somewhere along the blood line there, but also from my
Speaker 1: father's side of the family, so.
Speaker 3: Nothing from his mother's side.
Speaker 1: She was she was one hundred percent Italian, Okay, so
Speaker 1: she was a Frenchman that married an Italian woman. You know,
Speaker 1: had my father who end up marrying an Irish woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's all kinds of interesting history behind all the
Speaker 1: bloodlines and you never know what might be there at
Speaker 1: some point in time or you know, all that good stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've gone through all kinds of stuff of my bloodline too,
Speaker 2: And you know, my my family dates my on my
Speaker 2: father's side goes back to the ancient Romans, you know, Okay,
Speaker 2: And my mother's side, she was from northern Italy and
Speaker 2: her father, her grandfather was a count or something like that,
Speaker 2: and you know, like I said, her family had royalty
Speaker 2: in it on her side and my father the bloodline
Speaker 2: goes back to ancient Rome. And we've had two I
Speaker 2: think we researched the family line back to two high
Speaker 2: ranking officials in the in the Roman legion. One guy
Speaker 2: was like I guess he would cold you would consider
Speaker 2: it to be like a colonel in today's army. And
Speaker 2: his son, his son was captain of the Pretorian guard
Speaker 2: that actually protected the emperor when his son got older,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, and they were both
Speaker 2: had the same name as my father, you know, which
Speaker 2: My father's name was Fabio. So yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was funny. You know. It's just crazy when I
Speaker 2: did when I did my show for the Travel Channel,
Speaker 2: I did a UFO show for the Travel Channel. They
Speaker 2: took my blood type and it was a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of us on the show, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: And they took everybody's blood type and mine was the
Speaker 2: other one that came back HR negatives and they're like, dude,
Speaker 2: you may be alien, you know, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe it could be. It was. It was funny, you
Speaker 2: know that I was the only one that came back
Speaker 2: with the HR negative stuff. But uh, you know, again,
Speaker 2: who knows how how legit that stuff is, you know,
Speaker 2: with the bloodlines and stuff like that. But my last
Speaker 2: name in Italian means holy line.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah.
Speaker 2: Again, bloodlines, names, stuff like that. Just I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just all kinds of all kinds of work for me,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like I couldn't make this
Speaker 2: stuff up if I wanted to.
Speaker 1: You know, right, yeah, yeah, I think there're the small
Speaker 1: percentage that I have of Italian I can't remember. I
Speaker 1: think it might be I'm might be southern only I
Speaker 1: can't remember I did that DNA thing. There were you
Speaker 1: know where most of it came back or whatever, and
Speaker 1: when we saw it was a lower percentage of the
Speaker 1: Italian than it was on the French side. And my parents,
Speaker 1: even my mom's like, I thought you would have had
Speaker 1: more more Italian than you than you have this as
Speaker 1: I don't know this what's coming back, but you know.
Speaker 2: Ye, everybody comes back with the Iberian Peninsula. It's like
Speaker 2: everything is Iberian Peninsula, Liberian Peninsula. I don't know what
Speaker 2: that means, but it all comes back. It always goes
Speaker 2: back to that. And I was like, I don't know
Speaker 2: how this stuff was, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 2: my wife is half Italian and half Irish, but her
Speaker 2: father's family is from southern Italy. I think college at
Speaker 2: Calibre is or something like that, Colabria, that's where they're from.
Speaker 2: Southern Italy. My family is from Rome and my mother's
Speaker 2: family is up north in like Milan up that way.
Speaker 1: So okay, uh yeah, as I know, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't keep up with it too much now, but
Speaker 1: every so often, your your DNA platform, it kind of
Speaker 1: gets updated as they discover more and things get dug into,
Speaker 1: and like some of your percentages do go up a
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's not entirely too much of a
Speaker 1: change on what they kind of produce or you know,
Speaker 1: what they show.
Speaker 3: But so, like I said, I kind.
Speaker 1: Of every now and then I'll get email notification from
Speaker 1: the DNA thing, and so, yeah, we have an update
Speaker 1: about so and so and your family, you know, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah.
Speaker 2: Well, my family, being from being the tying and being
Speaker 2: from the city, my family kind of don't want to
Speaker 2: do that DNA thcause nobody wants to have their DNA
Speaker 2: on file, you know what.
Speaker 1: I mean, Right, Yeah, don't don't do the DNA thing.
Speaker 2: You'll put all our DNA on file. So it's like
Speaker 2: it goes it's like a wildfire when it goes through
Speaker 2: our family. Whatever you do. Don't called Gina telling us
Speaker 2: to do that DNA thing. They stay away from that
Speaker 2: DNA stuff because you know, everybody, everybody's related and if
Speaker 2: one of my cousins do it, then my stuff is
Speaker 2: out there too, you know. So it was like, stay
Speaker 2: away from that stuff, you.
Speaker 3: Know, right, it's cool. Nonetheless, you know.
Speaker 2: They say the less lea, Yeah, my wife did it absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, my mom.
Speaker 1: She she did it to the point where she paid
Speaker 1: into it more to learn more history. I think one
Speaker 1: of the coolest things that she shared with me that
Speaker 1: somewhere along her family bloodline someone she had somebody that
Speaker 1: was in the Civil War, which I thought, oh wow, that's.
Speaker 2: Cool, you know, very cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I learned a little bit about the Civil War when
Speaker 1: I moved down here. I kind of got into that
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, I learned the history and stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm a I'm a history buff. I love history,
Speaker 2: so I read. I always read, you know, especially when
Speaker 2: I was younger. I was always reading about world history
Speaker 2: and you know, the United States history, and I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm attracted to like war and stuff like that. So
Speaker 2: it's kind of my thing, you know. So like whether
Speaker 2: it's Native American wars against the you know, the the Americans,
Speaker 2: or you know us fighting whoever, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: or find amongst ourselves as everything on everything when it
Speaker 2: comes to war, I love, I just love history, you know,
Speaker 2: And I think, like my I got my son is like,
Speaker 2: who cares about history, It's already happened. I'm like, he
Speaker 2: drives me nuts when he says stuff like that, are
Speaker 2: you out of your mind?
Speaker 3: You have to.
Speaker 2: Learn from the past that you don't make the same mistakes,
Speaker 2: otherwise you'll make the same mistakes over and over again,
Speaker 2: you know. But you know, yeah, he's not that way.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want he doesn't care what happened in the past.
Speaker 2: He's always worried about that. He's young, he's worried about
Speaker 2: the future, you know.
Speaker 3: So take it one day at a time.
Speaker 2: That's how I take it, brother, One day at a time.
Speaker 2: I don't stress anything. I don't worry about anything. I
Speaker 2: don't stress anything. If I if I got no control
Speaker 2: over it, then I'm not going to stress over it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's not going to All
Speaker 2: that stress is just going to make you sick. Like
Speaker 2: my wife stresses if the sun's going to come up tomorrow,
Speaker 2: my god. You know, I'm like, son's going to come up,
Speaker 2: comes up every single day. Don't worry about it, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I just I don't stress over shit.
Speaker 2: I just I just roll with it. I think one
Speaker 2: day at a time, and I roll with I roll
Speaker 2: with it and I get through one day at a time.
Speaker 2: That's it. My wife says, well, you know, you go out,
Speaker 2: you go to these goddamn woods and you do all
Speaker 2: this crazy stuff and you put yourself at risk, and
Speaker 2: you put other people at risk, and you know, you
Speaker 2: can get killed out there. I'm like, yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: but that's what I love doing. So, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't force anybody to come with me, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean if they want, everybody signs waivers and
Speaker 2: confidentiality clauses and everything else. You know, I'm not getting
Speaker 2: sued for anything when someone gets hurt out there. And
Speaker 2: but you know, everybody or everybody that comes out with
Speaker 2: me loves loves it the way I love it, you know,
Speaker 2: So we love being out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do we put ourselves in harm's way? Absolutely? Could we
Speaker 2: have been killed a hundred times off or absolutely? If
Speaker 2: these creatures that are out there wanted to kill us,
Speaker 2: they could have killed us many times. But here here
Speaker 2: I am. I'm still here. So what does that tell you?
Speaker 2: They're not as dangerous as everybody makes them out to be,
Speaker 2: because if they were, there would be nobody going in
Speaker 2: the woods because and the ones who go in the
Speaker 2: woods would never come out, you know, So.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean That's the way I look at it,
Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, people think crazy because over
Speaker 1: the years I've spent a lot of times out there
Speaker 1: by myself, hiking, exploring camp and numero times by myself,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I mean, and you know we
Speaker 1: all know about all the other wild animals live out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's it's whatever, But you know
Speaker 1: we take that chance because you know, we love the adventure.
Speaker 1: We love exploring and learning, uh in hopes of discoveries
Speaker 1: of other things. But you know, that's the way I
Speaker 1: look at it.
Speaker 2: I find it exciting, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 2: is thrilling to to live on the edge like that.
Speaker 2: You know, when stuff comes into camp and you don't
Speaker 2: know what it is, and it's sniffing around, and you know,
Speaker 2: like I can't get out of the tent fast enough
Speaker 2: to see what's out there, you know, right, It's like, no,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm there for. I want to see what's
Speaker 2: out there, you know exactly.
Speaker 1: And not to mention, you know, it's a you get it,
Speaker 1: I know for me, I'm I'm sure for many others,
Speaker 1: you know, but just being out there in nature, it's
Speaker 1: like a it's a world and a home in itself
Speaker 1: where you find you find peace out there. It's like
Speaker 1: you're kind of.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's a zend thing for me too. Absolutely
Speaker 2: when I'm when I'm in the woods. Not that I'm
Speaker 2: a great white hunter or anything like that, a little
Speaker 2: hunting as a kid with my cousins and stuff, but
Speaker 2: I'm just I just I love being in nature. I
Speaker 2: love being surround. I just feel like all my energy
Speaker 2: is in harmony, you know what I mean. I feel
Speaker 2: like that's where I'm supposed to be, you know, And
Speaker 2: I love being out there. And like I said, I've
Speaker 2: never had anything bad happen to me, and any you know,
Speaker 2: people say, oh, you got you know, rocks thrown at you.
Speaker 2: That's that's a you know, No, that's not that's that's
Speaker 2: not violence. You don't. I don't consider that to be
Speaker 2: a violent issue, you know what I mean, because no
Speaker 2: one ever gets hit with any rocks, you know, Or
Speaker 2: oh you had a tree that was broke, that sounded
Speaker 2: like a gunshot, isn't that you know? That's a warning. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a warning. But you know, if you leave, you
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: The only time you have to worry about it is
Speaker 2: if you stay now. I've I've pushed the envelope a
Speaker 2: couple of times over the course of my life, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Because I'm the type of guy
Speaker 2: who gets vibes and like, if I feel like there's
Speaker 2: still more to come, I won't leave, even though everybody's like,
Speaker 2: come on out, let's go. You know, I kind of
Speaker 2: like force the issue. But again, we've always we've always
Speaker 2: walked out one piece, you know, so exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same here.
Speaker 3: But tell you what, as we're getting.
Speaker 1: Ready to come to a clothes I want, I want
Speaker 1: to give this.
Speaker 3: I want to hand this over for you.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to throw out there to
Speaker 1: the public that you want them to know?
Speaker 2: Just the same thing I tell everybody that squatches. First
Speaker 2: of all, don't go looking for dog men. You don't
Speaker 2: need to go looking for dog men. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Dog man it's a whole different animal. And
Speaker 2: you really don't want to You really don't want to
Speaker 2: find dog man, and you don't want dog men to
Speaker 2: find you. They will come to your house. They've come
Speaker 2: to my house on a couple of occasions. It's not
Speaker 2: like the sasquatches come into your house, it's a whole
Speaker 2: different animal. But when you do go in the woods,
Speaker 2: protect yourself physically, you know, and protect yourself spiritually because
Speaker 2: there are things in the woods other than wild animals
Speaker 2: that can attach themselves to you and harm you in
Speaker 2: other ways or harm your family members. So always protect
Speaker 2: yourself spiritually and physically when you go out. And another thing,
Speaker 2: if you go to those stupid Halloween haunting houses and
Speaker 2: cemetery tourts, protect protect when you go in, sage when
Speaker 2: you come out, because I can't tell you how many
Speaker 2: times I know how many people have taken Darth things
Speaker 2: home with them from those locations. So please protect going
Speaker 2: in and sage when you leave.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've actually heard a lot of similar things too
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't thank.
Speaker 3: You enough for being on.
Speaker 2: I had a great time, man, I had a great time.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you for having me, man, I have
Speaker 2: the pleasure was on mine.
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely want to make sure I get you
Speaker 1: back on here too, because on some occasions we do
Speaker 1: have roundtable discussions that go all over the place. But
Speaker 1: you know, they're fun, you know, so perhaps somewhere in
Speaker 1: the near future, because you know, we're well we're in
Speaker 1: the middle of January already, and so yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: covering a lot of podcasts in them up of January,
Speaker 1: which I'm about to get a little busy, so I
Speaker 1: probably picked back up towards either towards the into January,
Speaker 1: come back in February or February, depends on my schedule
Speaker 1: and what's going on with me.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, yeah, if I'm available, I definitely would
Speaker 2: love to sit in with you guys and chew the fat,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and see what we could
Speaker 2: come up with. But absolutely, just drop me a line
Speaker 2: and I'll, uh, as a matter of fact, when we
Speaker 2: get off there, I'll give you my personal phone number.
Speaker 2: You can just call me, you know.
Speaker 3: Okay, absolutely absolutely, and.
Speaker 1: I'll definitely keep in touch and you know, kind of
Speaker 1: keep your filling in on, you know, the camp out
Speaker 1: if you know, if that's what you think you can
Speaker 1: work out. I mean, if not, I totally understand.
Speaker 2: So yeah, some things are out of my control, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, And with this being said, I'm going to
Speaker 1: close this. I got a little commercial ad. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go out there to close us out. But again I
Speaker 1: want to thank you again and uh we'll be in
Speaker 1: touch soon. Okay, all right, have a good either. Thanks
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Speaker 1: in Sutton, West Virginia is the annual Western Virginia. You
Speaker 1: have Bigfoot Festival, another massive, huge festival with over one
Speaker 1: hundred a vendors, all kinds of activity and fun and
Speaker 1: content us for kids and people of all ages, guest steakers, celebrities,
Speaker 1: people you're going to want to get to know, get
Speaker 1: to meet and learn from.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I hope you guys are taking the time to mark
Speaker 1: these dates and these locations down. If you have any
Speaker 1: questions regarding any of these events, send an email to
Speaker 1: ecb r O ninety eight at gmail dot com.