Speaker 1: Joining us now, and it's always a pleasure I have
Speaker 1: Eric on it's been too long since we talked. Eric
Speaker 1: Peters of Eric Petersautos dot Com a real soulmate when
Speaker 1: it comes to the issues of liberty and mobility as
Speaker 1: these companies like to call it. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: really driving cars is what we think of we think
Speaker 1: of mobility. I'm not looking at getting into some self
Speaker 1: driving taxi and I'm not looking at I don't.
Speaker 2: Think of that as mobility.
Speaker 1: I think of mobility as being able to use a
Speaker 1: car to go where I want when I want, and
Speaker 1: not have to follow a schedule from some mass transportation
Speaker 1: thing or get into a car that's owned by these
Speaker 1: corporate conglomerates.
Speaker 2: But thank you for joining us, Eric, Oh, thank you, David.
Speaker 3: I always enjoy being here. And by the way, whenever
Speaker 3: I hear that word mobility, I almost think to wheelchairs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm that guy. Well, I enjoyed driving and.
Speaker 2: They want to break our legs, don't they.
Speaker 3: I mean, they sure seem to want to. And it's
Speaker 3: really something, you know, when I think about how this
Speaker 3: country has changed in that respect just over the course
Speaker 3: of the last forty years. You know, when I was
Speaker 3: in high school, most guys loved cars, and a lot
Speaker 3: of girls like cars too. Right now, you know they
Speaker 3: have succeeded so effectively in alienating people from cars. I
Speaker 3: get it. You know, they've become appliances, they've become soulless,
Speaker 3: and on top of that, they become just impossibly expensive
Speaker 3: for ordinary people to even consider buying anymore. So no
Speaker 3: wonder people are turning off to cars, and that's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: Getting us back to this whole idea of mobility, which
Speaker 3: really just means, as you said, being able to just
Speaker 3: go where you want to go without being leashed, you know,
Speaker 3: without without having to put your take your hat off
Speaker 3: and beg.
Speaker 1: For Yeah, there was a song about that, you know,
Speaker 1: got to go where you want to go, do what
Speaker 1: you want to do.
Speaker 3: What happened to that?
Speaker 2: America?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What happened to that song? We don't hear that anymore.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the other thing we used to
Speaker 1: say when when I was younger, people would say, somebody
Speaker 1: say can I do this? And it's like, hey, so
Speaker 1: free country. You don't hear anybody say that anymore, do you?
Speaker 3: No? I don't think that for anybody say that since
Speaker 3: probably nine to eleven, twenty five years now. But that's
Speaker 3: you know, at least that's a sign of psychological health.
Speaker 3: At least people aren't so deluded as to think that
Speaker 3: we still live in a free country.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: But they are deluded enough to think that they should
Speaker 1: make a federal case out of everything. That was the
Speaker 1: other thing, Hey, don't make a federal case out of it,
Speaker 1: you know, if somebody is making a big deal out
Speaker 1: of it. But now we make a federal case out
Speaker 1: of everything. Every problem must be solved and managed by government,
Speaker 1: and it has to be done by government at the
Speaker 1: highest level. And not even that, but now it has
Speaker 1: to be done by the president, who will save us
Speaker 1: from all evil. It's this messianic figure, you know. I
Speaker 1: was just talking yesterday about this article out of the
Speaker 1: Atlantic and they were talking about a study that was
Speaker 1: done by some people of the UK. They came the
Speaker 1: same conclusions that Strauss and how did about the fourth turning.
Speaker 1: They went back five thousand years of history. One of
Speaker 1: the things they said was, you know, the the corruption
Speaker 1: and the decay and institutions, but also people start getting
Speaker 1: very messianic about their leaders. I thought, yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I see all the time about MAGA. You know, it's
Speaker 1: got to be Trump. He's got some special mission from God,
Speaker 1: you know, he's specially annointed it and all the rest
Speaker 1: of this stuff. It is truly amazing. They're so desperate
Speaker 1: for a messiah that they'll even project that onto somebody
Speaker 1: like Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: It's sometimes it's jaw dropping. I'm a professional writer, so
Speaker 3: usually I'm not at a loss for words, but when
Speaker 3: it comes to Trump, I often find my job heading
Speaker 3: the floor. My eyes bottle like cash Betel, and I
Speaker 3: what am I going to even say about this stuff?
Speaker 2: That's right? It truly is amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, you told me when we were just connected and
Speaker 1: you said there's some interesting news about Miada that I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm gonna like.
Speaker 2: What is that news?
Speaker 3: Well, just some background. The Miata has been around since
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine. They introduced it as a ninety model,
Speaker 3: and it has been for many decades one of the
Speaker 3: most successful models that Mazda has ever brought out. Because
Speaker 3: anybody's driven one will tell you it's just it is
Speaker 3: one of the most enjoyable fun cars that you can
Speaker 3: possibly get and drive. The problem is that it's gotten
Speaker 3: to be pretty expensive. The current model twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: the base price is nearly thirty thousand dollars. To put
Speaker 3: that in some perspective, back in nineteen ninety, it was
Speaker 3: just over thirteen thousand dollars. Now, granted, some of that
Speaker 3: as inflation, and some of that, of course, are what
Speaker 3: I call compliance costs. You having to have multiple airbags
Speaker 3: in the things, and all of the other stuff that's
Speaker 3: been added to vehicles that has been raising the cost.
Speaker 3: People talk about inflation, and of course that's true, but
Speaker 3: the thing that's important to understand is that people's earning
Speaker 3: power hasn't tracked with the devaluation of buying power. That's
Speaker 3: really what inflation is. So back in nineteen ninety, regular
Speaker 3: Americans could afford to have two cars or even more,
Speaker 3: to have the fun car they get, the Miyada as
Speaker 3: the weekend car, the track car, the fun day.
Speaker 2: Car, right, summer car. Yeah yeah, But.
Speaker 3: They also had you know, you've got to have something
Speaker 3: that has more than two doors and more than two seats.
Speaker 3: If you've got kids, you've got a family, you're going
Speaker 3: to need something that's practical. So they would buy the
Speaker 3: practical car for that purpose. But they'd have the Miata
Speaker 3: for fun. Well, now things have gotten to be so
Speaker 3: tight that most people can only afford one car, if
Speaker 3: they can even afford that, So there aren't many people
Speaker 3: left it who can still afford a thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 3: fun car like a Miada, and a thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 3: crossover on top of that, and the cost of insurance
Speaker 3: and everything else that goes along with it. So what
Speaker 3: are they doing. Well, when you're faced with a choice
Speaker 3: between the practical and the fun, most people are going
Speaker 3: to have to pick the practical. That's just the way
Speaker 3: life is. So it's not that the Maata has lost
Speaker 3: its appeal. The problem is that there are not enough
Speaker 3: people anymore who can afford it to sustain the car
Speaker 3: as a viable enterprise for Mazda. And so apparently that's
Speaker 3: why they're thinking about canceling it.
Speaker 1: Wow, Well, I got mine, you know, as not as
Speaker 1: long as the government doesn't find some way to declare
Speaker 1: it illegal on the streets.
Speaker 2: So I'm okay with that, and I did have mine.
Speaker 1: And from a practical standpoint, there's this eric Groceries have
Speaker 1: gotten so expensive that about all we can fit in
Speaker 1: the car will fit in the.
Speaker 3: Back of it, right, groceries won't it.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: And there's another facet to this that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: An additional rumor is that they're not going to cancel it,
Speaker 3: but what they're going to do is put a hybrid
Speaker 3: drive train into it for the next generation. The current
Speaker 3: car has been out since I think twenty sixteen, so
Speaker 3: it's getting a little old, you know, in terms of
Speaker 3: product cycles, and that the reason for that is the
Speaker 3: reason why you're seeing so many hybrid vehicles now everything.
Speaker 3: It used to be that there was the Prius and
Speaker 3: maybe one or two other hybrid cars on the market,
Speaker 3: and they were marketed chiefly toward people who really wanted
Speaker 3: hyper efficiency above everything else. You know, there's a market
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 1: I wanted to a virtue signal about their greenness that too.
Speaker 3: But now you may have noticed if you look at
Speaker 3: the new car landscape, practically everything is hybrided now, you know,
Speaker 3: to some degree or another, either a mild hybrid or
Speaker 3: a full hybrid or something. And the reason for that,
Speaker 3: of course, has to do with the federal government continuing
Speaker 3: to require ever stricter mileage and so called emission standards,
Speaker 3: which chiefly means carbon dioxide, that awful gas that plants
Speaker 3: have used to metabolize and produce oxygen for us, so
Speaker 3: that we grieve Trump by the way, today is supposedly
Speaker 3: going to make an announcement about CAFE the corporate average
Speaker 3: fuel economy standards, and we'll see whether it's any meaningful
Speaker 3: reduction or simply to kind of riff on or Well's
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four. Remember when when the people were so
Speaker 3: happy because big Brother had decided to increase the chock ovation,
Speaker 3: when in fact, of course it had been decreased. So
Speaker 3: what they had been hinting at was that they were
Speaker 3: going to just roll them back or keep them at
Speaker 3: where they were in twenty twenty. Well, the reason everything's
Speaker 3: being hybridized right now is precisely because the only way
Speaker 3: to comply with the twenty twenty standards was to build
Speaker 3: these hybrids, which cycle the engine off as often as
Speaker 3: possible and put smaller and smaller engines in cars. It's
Speaker 3: the only way that they can achieve compliance with these
Speaker 3: federal dictats. So unless we see them actually roll back significantly,
Speaker 3: or better yet eliminate it altogether, I think we're going
Speaker 3: to see more and more hybrids, and we're also going
Speaker 3: to see fewer and fewer interesting cars like the Miata
Speaker 3: available for people.
Speaker 1: Well, in terms of what Trump is doing, anything less
Speaker 1: than a complete shutdown of the CAFE regime is not
Speaker 1: anything that I would be favorable of or applaud. But
Speaker 1: if they roll it back a little bit, you know,
Speaker 1: it'll be pushed back with the next one. What they
Speaker 1: really need to do is to go back and change
Speaker 1: the or get rid of Nixon's EPA and take away
Speaker 1: their power to regulate air pollution. Right, that is the
Speaker 1: emission standards that needs to be taken away from the EPA,
Speaker 1: and the e PA needs to be shut down. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's not just stop with the CAFE rules. Let's get
Speaker 1: rid of the EPA, and let's get rid of this
Speaker 1: finding that they can they can tell us about.
Speaker 2: All these gases, because that is a real fraud. We've got.
Speaker 1: Ev pollution is being ignored for this fake climate crisis.
Speaker 1: Is the headline of a What's Up dot Com article,
Speaker 1: and it's absolutely true they ignore the pollution from the evs.
Speaker 1: But I think the biggest glaring hypocrisy with all of this,
Speaker 1: as in the past, been that they would ignore the
Speaker 1: two biggest polluters on Earth, China and India. They could
Speaker 1: make as many power plants as they wanted to and
Speaker 1: continue to make them, put no cleaning devices on them whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And this was supposed to address a global issue. Well,
Speaker 1: how does that address a global issue? It's nonsense. But
Speaker 1: now we've had this kind of come home in the
Speaker 1: sense of the AI data centers. They want to put
Speaker 1: these AI data centers out there, so they're obviously not
Speaker 1: interested any missions anymore. And this has really made outraged
Speaker 1: a lot of the environmentalists that are out there. But
Speaker 1: it is just another example of having real hypocrisy. It's
Speaker 1: not a real problem. It certainly is not existential, and
Speaker 1: it is if it's in their advantage to do it,
Speaker 1: and it is in their advantage for the AI, So
Speaker 1: because that's all about surveillance and control, that is the
Speaker 1: killer app And so they're going to do whatever they
Speaker 1: have to take. And they don't care if we own anything.
Speaker 1: They don't care if we're able to go anywhere, and
Speaker 1: they don't care if we've got any electricity. You know,
Speaker 1: you and I have said that for the longest time.
Speaker 1: You know, they don't even want us to have electric vehicles.
Speaker 1: They don't want us to have electricity. Nevertheless, you know,
Speaker 1: own a car, So that's where this stuff is all going.
Speaker 1: But you know, when we talk about the Miata, that
Speaker 1: is such a perversion of the whole idea. The whole
Speaker 1: idea of the Miata was to make it incredibly light
Speaker 1: and simple, and so a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 1: people talk about modifying the miatas. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: company called Flying Miata, and it's kind of interesting what
Speaker 1: they do with it. Since it's such a lightweight car.
Speaker 1: They would shove in a V eight inch and to
Speaker 1: the Miata, and I would read with curiosity about it.
Speaker 1: But it was something that I never wanted because then
Speaker 1: you've got to get this heavy transmission. And that was
Speaker 1: one of the nice things about the Miata was how
Speaker 1: it shifted and very responsive and how it could turn
Speaker 1: on a dime. And it was all really about being
Speaker 1: a momentum car rather than a zero to sixty car, right,
Speaker 1: And so if these people are going to put in there,
Speaker 1: you know, all the added weight and all the rest
Speaker 1: of the stuff to make it a hybrid and to
Speaker 1: make it complicated, to make it expensive, they might as
Speaker 1: well cancel it.
Speaker 3: Well, I agree, and it just speaks to the kind
Speaker 3: of tone deafness of the people who are running these
Speaker 3: car companies. You'll see this happening across the industry. For example,
Speaker 3: the Dodge. The people in charge of Dodge who thought
Speaker 3: it would be a fine idea to take the Challenger
Speaker 3: and the Charger, which were popular costs sold well, and
Speaker 3: turn the thing into an Evy, and not only ev
Speaker 3: with a base price that was twenty thousand dollars higher
Speaker 3: on pre gas engine model, and they thought that that
Speaker 3: would sell. They're showing what I'm trying to get at
Speaker 3: is that they were showing contempt for their own buyer demographic.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. Or Jeep. I'm sure you wear Jeep.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Jeep is this French company, and they have upscaled the
Speaker 1: Jeeps so much that nobody can their market can't afford it.
Speaker 1: People wanted something that was rugged and affordable, and that's
Speaker 1: the same kind of thing they're doing to the Miata.
Speaker 1: They don't want to everybody wants to make exactly the
Speaker 1: same car, and they all want to upscale everything because
Speaker 1: they understand how expensive cars are getting and they know
Speaker 1: that only they're really rich can afford this.
Speaker 2: Stuff. So it's going to become a plaything for the rich. Probably.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be in my lifetime because
Speaker 1: I'm getting at the end of it, but probably in
Speaker 1: your lifetime you'll probably see the idea that, you know,
Speaker 1: owning a car is like having a private plane today.
Speaker 3: You know, oh sure, it's going to be a reversion
Speaker 3: to the early days of the car car industry, the
Speaker 3: car world. If you went back to say about nineteen
Speaker 3: oh five or so, the only people who owned a car.
Speaker 3: We're extremely wealthy people. You know, go watch episodes of
Speaker 3: Downton Abbey, the you know the BBC show about that.
Speaker 2: Era, or Toad of Toad Hall.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, he could aboard a car and he didn't
Speaker 1: really care what the fines were like. He was very
Speaker 1: much like Elon Musk who opened up his uh uh.
Speaker 1: He opened up a couple of businesses. They're not too
Speaker 1: far from when we used to live in Texas. He
Speaker 1: had boring and he had I think it was I
Speaker 1: can't remember, maybe it was SpaceX or something, but it
Speaker 1: was not it's not did anything to do with the
Speaker 1: launching thing, and and he was doing violating all kinds
Speaker 1: of rules from the Department of Transportation, as well as
Speaker 1: dumping waste water directly into the Colorado River.
Speaker 2: He didn't care.
Speaker 1: They kept finding him and they gave him the maximum
Speaker 1: amounts of fines and he didn't care. So they said, well,
Speaker 1: we need to raise the fines up. And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, they raised the fines up. It's going
Speaker 1: to be applied against people who can't afford it. Uh,
Speaker 1: And you're not going to be able to raise the
Speaker 1: fine up high enough to to affect elon Musk under
Speaker 1: any circums. So he was kind of like Toad of
Speaker 1: Toad Hall, you know, right.
Speaker 3: You know, here's here's something to kind of explained the
Speaker 3: point to people who may not be familiar with the
Speaker 3: history of it. Used to be that when you opened
Speaker 3: the door of a General Motors vehicle, you would see
Speaker 3: this little badge on the sill and it would say
Speaker 3: body by Fisher. You remember that, oh yeah, and that
Speaker 3: that is something that harkens back to the days of
Speaker 3: what we are called coach built cars before the Model T.
Speaker 3: This is around the turn of the turn of the
Speaker 3: last century or nineteen hundred or so. If you wanted
Speaker 3: a car, you went to a coach builder and you
Speaker 3: would specify what you wanted, and it was all custom
Speaker 3: everything was made to order. And obviously only very wealthy
Speaker 3: people could afford a vehicle like that, so it was
Speaker 3: a rich man's toy. And you know, Henry Ford came
Speaker 3: along and had the affront rate to simplify the thing
Speaker 3: and to mass produce the thing that had common parts
Speaker 3: that were stamped out, and so that anybody who worked
Speaker 3: at a Ford plant could afford a car. You know,
Speaker 3: and for one hundred years afterward, people like you and I,
Speaker 3: regular people could afford to have a car. Well, they're
Speaker 3: trying to bring us back to that era when when
Speaker 3: vehicles were luxury items that only the very affluent people
Speaker 3: in society could afford. It's really despicable. And I wanted
Speaker 3: to mention something else to get back to what you
Speaker 3: were mentioning before about the whole emission slash climate control fraud.
Speaker 3: People don't realize that there are evs that you can
Speaker 3: get in Europe. I did an article the other day
Speaker 3: about a little car called the micro Microlina. Did you
Speaker 3: happen to catch that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I didn't say what Microlina cute as a button? Golly
Speaker 1: is so nice that they named it twice, right.
Speaker 3: What it basically is is a small electric car that's
Speaker 3: essentially it looks just like the old BMW Isida. Do
Speaker 3: you remember the Isota.
Speaker 2: Was that the one that opened in the front, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: See, I've actually set in one of those up in Chicago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had it as a display in a garment store there.
Speaker 3: So the same concept. It's just a little EV. It's
Speaker 3: not designed to go ludicrously fast, you know, it's designed
Speaker 3: to be an urban, suburban, runabout little car. And it
Speaker 3: costs about sixteen thousand dollars. Why can't we have that? Well?
Speaker 3: I attack elector cars all the time, but fundamentally, what
Speaker 3: I'm attacking is the way they're being forced on people
Speaker 3: and the way alternatives are being taken away from people,
Speaker 3: not the EV as such, I really don't have a
Speaker 3: problem with. You know, why can't people buy a sixteen
Speaker 3: thousand dollars basic car if they don't need ludicrous speed,
Speaker 3: they don't need to on the highway for several hundred miles.
Speaker 3: And the point is, like, if it truly is the
Speaker 3: case that we're facing this existential threat, the climate is changing,
Speaker 3: you know, we're all going to die unless we don't
Speaker 3: drive electric cars. Well, why wouldn't they want to encourage
Speaker 3: these affordable little electric cars that people can actually buy
Speaker 3: as opposed to these elitist cars, these evs that you know,
Speaker 3: we're allowed to buy fifty thousand, sixty thousand dollars electric cars,
Speaker 3: but we can't buy the little sixteen thousand dollars electric
Speaker 3: car that you can buy in Europe. It just speaks
Speaker 3: to the disingenuousness of the narrative, the way they're trying
Speaker 3: to tell you that, you know, you have to make
Speaker 3: this transition because if you don't, we're all going to
Speaker 3: die in the climate catastrophe. Well it's nonsense. If that
Speaker 3: were true, they'd be doing everything conceivable to incur these
Speaker 3: low cost, efficient, simple little cars.
Speaker 2: That's right. It's just like the pandemic.
Speaker 1: If they really believed everybody's going to die, they'd let
Speaker 1: us try some alternatives to their vaccine.
Speaker 2: But the plan had been that they were going to
Speaker 2: lock us down.
Speaker 1: Until they got their vaccine ready and then they were
Speaker 1: going to inject everybody and all the companies harmless with
Speaker 1: what they did. But you know, that was another smoking
Speaker 1: gun about that fraud. But you know, as you're pointing
Speaker 1: out these little little things like that. And I remember
Speaker 1: there was also the Messerschmidt. Do you remember that that
Speaker 1: was featured in Brazil. That was the car that the
Speaker 1: character drove in that. I've never seen one of those
Speaker 1: in person, but I have set in the bmw Isaeta
Speaker 1: I've said in that thing. But you know, these things
Speaker 1: are basically golf carts just on it, you know, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean back when I was in college, I broke
Speaker 3: a seventy four Beatle. Love the car, but really it
Speaker 3: wasn't much more than a golf cart, you know, right.
Speaker 3: It had trouble maintaining sixty five miles an hour on anything,
Speaker 3: you know that was at all inclined. That was pretty
Speaker 3: much it cost. You know, if you had a downhill
Speaker 3: stretch and the wind was at your back, you might
Speaker 3: be able to get to get up to about seventy
Speaker 3: five a miles an hour in a Beatle. It was fine.
Speaker 2: It was cheap.
Speaker 3: It allowed me to get on wheels, you know, so
Speaker 3: that I didn't have to walk or take a bus.
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm kind of so annoyed about the
Speaker 3: fact that you can't buy new vehicles like that little
Speaker 3: inexpensive ev that's available in Europe, because after all, if
Speaker 3: that thing we're on the market is a used vehicle,
Speaker 3: it would probably cost only seven or eight thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: you know, after a couple of years of depreciation. And imagine,
Speaker 3: you know, you're an eighteen year old kid and you
Speaker 3: know you don't have a lot of money, but you'd
Speaker 3: like to have a car. So you know, here's a
Speaker 3: car that you could would work as your first car.
Speaker 3: And my point is, you know, we're being denied all
Speaker 3: these alternatives. It's no longer the case that the market
Speaker 3: responds to what people want what it's what the government demands,
Speaker 3: and it's one size fits all. And that's why you know,
Speaker 3: you hear everybody complaining about, oh they all look the same, Well,
Speaker 3: there's a reason for that. The reason they all look
Speaker 3: the same is because they all have to comply with
Speaker 3: the same government demands.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you remember I grew up in Florida, and so
Speaker 1: the Volkswagen that I aspired to have was the Dune Buggy.
Speaker 2: I tn't care if that was that was practical or not.
Speaker 1: And then really doubled down with a Thomas Crown affair
Speaker 1: that had Steve McQueen driving one of those remembers that
Speaker 1: I forget what the company was that those we just
Speaker 1: called them, yeah, may that's all right, the Manx, and
Speaker 1: we just called them dune buggies for that. But Karen's
Speaker 1: first car was a Pento, and that was another example.
Speaker 1: I remember you talk about how that was your your
Speaker 1: right of passage. That was how you knew you were
Speaker 1: an adult and how you now had freedom. I was
Speaker 1: having the wheels right, and so I remember scrutinizing the
Speaker 1: stuff and figuring out how much I would have to
Speaker 1: work in order to save up and buy a Pento.
Speaker 1: Before you know, I was able to drive. Because they
Speaker 1: were very cheap. I remember there were like, you know,
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred dollars or something new. It was incredible how
Speaker 1: cheap they were. Of course the dollar was I had
Speaker 1: a lot more purchasing power than that it does now.
Speaker 1: But you know, Karen got one of those. It had
Speaker 1: rubber mats, you know, not carpet, of course, hand cranked
Speaker 1: windows and all that kind of stuff. The trunk was
Speaker 1: so thin that when you dropped the trunk, it didn't
Speaker 1: have a hatchback on hers. But it had a little
Speaker 1: small trunk that was maybe about a foot wide for deep,
Speaker 1: you know, and when you dropped it, it just shook
Speaker 1: such a thin metal. And of course you know, they
Speaker 1: were infamous for exploding when hit in the back, but
Speaker 1: they cut every corner that they could, including the safety equipment,
Speaker 1: to keep it from exploding. What it was hit on
Speaker 1: the back, but it was It was what she needed
Speaker 1: and she was able to get one used and fortunately
Speaker 1: for her, before anything happened if she had an accident,
Speaker 1: somebody stole it from her.
Speaker 2: We were all laughing about It's like, who would steal
Speaker 2: this thing?
Speaker 1: Not only was it that, but she had a slow
Speaker 1: leak in her radiator and I was going to fix
Speaker 1: it over the weekend.
Speaker 2: But it was like Thursday.
Speaker 1: She goes out to get in the car and she's
Speaker 1: got her water jug with her that she's going to
Speaker 1: top it up with before she goes to work, and
Speaker 1: the car was gone. She called me up and she said,
Speaker 1: he didn't bring me home last night, right, I drove
Speaker 1: home last night. He's like, yeah, that's right, she goes,
Speaker 1: my car has gone. It took us a while to
Speaker 1: actually pinch ourselves and a wake ourselves the fact that
Speaker 1: somebody had stolen the thing. He was like, ooh, it's
Speaker 1: still this and everybody joke said, you leave it running
Speaker 1: with the keys in the car and a bad neighborhood
Speaker 1: or something to get this to happen. But it was
Speaker 1: transportation and sometimes that's what you need. And they don't
Speaker 1: want us to have that anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, everybody needs that, you know, Leah Coke. It
Speaker 3: was at four at the time, and who was responsible
Speaker 3: for the pinco decreed that it would be kept under
Speaker 3: two thousand dollars brand new, and they managed to do that.
Speaker 3: Think about that. Imagine that a brand new car now,
Speaker 3: granted inflation and everything, but still two thousand dollars for
Speaker 3: a brand new car, meaning that five or six years
Speaker 3: down the road, cars like that were abundant and on
Speaker 3: the used car market for kids who didn't have a
Speaker 3: lot of money. I mean, just like you. When I
Speaker 3: was a age, when I was in high school, I
Speaker 3: saved the money that I earned from cutting grass and
Speaker 3: shoveling snow and all that other stuff in my McDonald's
Speaker 3: after school money so I could buy a car. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, everybody knows that. Today it's almost impossible for
Speaker 3: a teenager to work a part time job or cut
Speaker 3: grass and be able to afford anything as far as
Speaker 3: a car goes, because they're so expensive. And that's really tragic.
Speaker 3: It's really sad, and it's hurting not just teenagers who
Speaker 3: are trying to become adults, but people on the lower
Speaker 3: end of the economic spectrum. They're limited. Their options are limited.
Speaker 3: It's not just about, hey, I want to go for
Speaker 3: a joy ride. If you can't drive to work, your
Speaker 3: work options are limited. You know, if you can only
Speaker 3: go wherever the bus goes, where the train goes, that
Speaker 3: means you can only get certain kinds of jobs, and
Speaker 3: it probably means you're going to have to live in
Speaker 3: an urban area. But guess what, everything's more expensive in
Speaker 3: the urban area than it is farther out. So really
Speaker 3: it's a kind of an assault on the you know,
Speaker 3: it's ironic, isn't it. You know, we've heard from the
Speaker 3: Democrats and the left for years about the plight of
Speaker 3: the working man and the average guy. Well, the average
Speaker 3: guy and the working man are the ones who are
Speaker 3: most being harmed by these things, and now it's leached
Speaker 3: out farther and it's metastasized, and it's beginning to make
Speaker 3: it very difficult for middle class people oh to have
Speaker 3: the standard of living that so called working class people
Speaker 3: had fifty years ago.
Speaker 1: I agree, yeah, And it's like what are they What
Speaker 1: is their end game with all this stuff?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Is it just to kill us all? Or what is it?
Speaker 1: Because it doesn't make any sense that they keep taking
Speaker 1: everything away from everybody. They want to take away our
Speaker 1: jobs and so forth and put us on a universal
Speaker 1: basic can come you know what is the endgame with that?
Speaker 1: It is so apathetical to what Henry Ford was about,
Speaker 1: as they said, you know, we're going to make the
Speaker 1: cars cheap enough that the people who work on the
Speaker 1: assembly line manufacturing them can afford to have one. And
Speaker 1: so you know what is the end game for the
Speaker 1: people they really do hate us. It's this concentration. And
Speaker 1: that was the other aspect that these people noticed going
Speaker 1: back over five thousand years, the frustration and the lack
Speaker 1: of sense of control of your own life, no opportunity
Speaker 1: and all the rest of this stuff, which is precisely
Speaker 1: what the agenda is for the technocracy and the people
Speaker 1: who are around Trump that you know, Peter Thiel and
Speaker 1: these Curtis Jarvin types. They want a society that's going
Speaker 1: to be libertarian for them and authoritarian for us, and
Speaker 1: that's what they're pushing to. And it's like, how do
Speaker 1: you think that that's going to be sustainable? People have
Speaker 1: never put up with that in history, So you know,
Speaker 1: they may be able to put it in for a
Speaker 1: short period of time, but I don't think is going
Speaker 1: to last.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Psychologically, it's very interesting. I think part of it
Speaker 3: is kind of a pathological thing in that it is
Speaker 3: some people it's not enough to have generational wealth, have
Speaker 3: enough money, not only for themselves to live without any
Speaker 3: care whatsoever about financial worries, their kids and their kids
Speaker 3: kids are going to be completely taken care of. It's
Speaker 3: never enough. How many billions do you need? Elon Musk's
Speaker 3: network is what sixty billion or something crazy like that.
Speaker 3: I think it's more than that, and it's still not enough.
Speaker 3: They need more. You know, it's not enough to have
Speaker 3: a yacht. You have to have two yachts. Then you
Speaker 3: have to have a private chet, then you have to
Speaker 3: have four.
Speaker 1: The biggest shot, you got to have bigger than the
Speaker 1: billionaire next door.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so that it's almost as if there's an
Speaker 3: element of sadism in it. It's not that oh, I've
Speaker 3: got something really nice. I've got you know, I've got
Speaker 3: a dimer Mayback. But my neighbor, My god, that guy
Speaker 3: has a Chevy suburban. The guy down, you know, the
Speaker 3: customer brass has a Chevy suburban. I don't want him
Speaker 3: to have that. Yeah, that's somehow diminishment that, you know,
Speaker 3: I feel. It's only it's only I only feel good
Speaker 3: if I'm the only one who has something nice. I
Speaker 3: think that's part of psychologically what's motivating all of this.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right, And that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why they buy things like a Mayback because I'm
Speaker 1: the only one that's got a Mayback, right, Or they
Speaker 1: they buy a dress or a purse that costs four
Speaker 1: thousand dollars or eight thousand dollars or something. You know
Speaker 1: that it's that exclusivity, and then there's only so far
Speaker 1: that you can go that exclusivity until it's necessary for
Speaker 1: you to schooed stuff from other people. And that's really
Speaker 1: where this is all headed. I agree, it is really
Speaker 1: a kind of a sickness that's there. But we've always
Speaker 1: seen that it's an addiction that these people have to money, right,
Speaker 1: the love of money. It becomes like a drug to them,
Speaker 1: It really does.
Speaker 3: I got another interesting aspect of this, if I might elaborate,
Speaker 3: just to touch because it's almost a cartoon indictment of capitalism.
Speaker 3: But it's not capitalism because almost all of these people,
Speaker 3: and in almost every case, they are acquiring their will
Speaker 3: through government.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: First thing we talked about when I had you on
Speaker 1: was your article about Elon must being the king of
Speaker 1: crony capitalism, and that was more than a decade ago.
Speaker 1: We first talked about that, and that, as you point out,
Speaker 1: was how he got his wealth. I said that earlier
Speaker 1: in the program. I said, you know, you look at
Speaker 1: this and so many times you see people who are
Speaker 1: libertarian or conservative and they want to champion businesses and
Speaker 1: say business can do nothing wrong and government can do
Speaker 1: nothing right. And then the Democrats the other way, right,
Speaker 1: government can do nothing wrong, businesses and private companies can
Speaker 1: do nothing right. The reality is is that they've merged
Speaker 1: and that's what makes it all so evil, and they
Speaker 1: don't see that, you know, they imagine that we've got
Speaker 1: a free market or that we have capitalism, but it's
Speaker 1: not that at all. It's this kind of mixture that
Speaker 1: we see in China, and we recognize it in China.
Speaker 1: How they come in and say, well, you're going to
Speaker 1: have to give us a piece of that. But we're
Speaker 1: seeing that in spades now with Trump.
Speaker 2: You know, he's.
Speaker 1: Using taking over, buying a share of intel, and using
Speaker 1: government money to start, you know, acquiring assets to own it.
Speaker 1: I mean that is socialism, Marxism, central planning. All the
Speaker 1: things that Republicans used to oppose, they now applaud because
Speaker 1: Trump is doing it.
Speaker 3: Yep, they've so poisoned the will. And in addition to that,
Speaker 3: younger Americans in particular don't know their own history.
Speaker 2: That's right now.
Speaker 3: Henry Ford could be considered a capitalist. Henry Ford figured
Speaker 3: out a way to make a better mouse trap, and
Speaker 3: he didn't use the government at all to subsidize his business.
Speaker 3: What he did was to make a product that people
Speaker 3: could afford. And a very interesting thing about Ford was
Speaker 3: that the model T got progressively less expensive with each
Speaker 3: model year because he would fine tune it, figure out
Speaker 3: ways to make it cost less, and he was able
Speaker 3: to scale things up and he sold more of them,
Speaker 3: so he could make more on volume than on individual
Speaker 3: unit sales. You know, It was such a boon for
Speaker 3: average people because it liberated them from the yolk of
Speaker 3: having to be tied to an urban area, to a city.
Speaker 3: A farmer could buy a Ford model t and he
Speaker 3: could use it as a tractor. You know, they made
Speaker 3: it to be modular, so you know, you could have
Speaker 3: it out on the farm. And gasoline, of course, was portable,
Speaker 3: so even in the time before there were gas stations,
Speaker 3: you could bring gas to where there wasn't any gas.
Speaker 3: And you know, we've taken this for granted as a civilization,
Speaker 3: this idea that we can just go where we want
Speaker 3: to go. That was not the case once, you know,
Speaker 3: it was almost kind of a feudal order where you
Speaker 3: were stuck where you or by circumstances. And the dawn
Speaker 3: of that age changed that. And now we're reverting back
Speaker 3: to that age, and we're being dragged back into it
Speaker 3: because most people just don't appreciate just how good we
Speaker 3: had it, and they might once it's all gone.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: Well, you know a lot of this comes and I've
Speaker 1: mentioned many times there was an op ed piece that
Speaker 1: really dropped my jaw when I saw it by the
Speaker 1: CEO of Lyft I can't remember his name. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's still the CEO. But the guy had
Speaker 1: been an urban planner by education, and so he loved
Speaker 1: cities and he said cities are the best invention of
Speaker 1: mankind and cars are the worst invention. And I thought,
Speaker 1: this is just so upside down and backwards. Nobody agrees
Speaker 1: with that in reality, because the reason that we have suburbs,
Speaker 1: and the reason that we have what these urban planners
Speaker 1: derisively call urban sprawl, is because people don't like living
Speaker 1: all pressed up against each other, and they're willing to
Speaker 1: spend time and money so they can get more space
Speaker 1: around them. But they hate that because these urban planners
Speaker 1: are all about control. And when we look at the
Speaker 1: when you look at Lyfty, you look at Uber, you
Speaker 1: know they were all about owning all of the transportation privately,
Speaker 1: right and making it kind of a fascist run system,
Speaker 1: not directly owned by the government, as if they would
Speaker 1: own all the buses and the rails and subways like that,
Speaker 1: but the fact that they would partner with government to
Speaker 1: make sure, you know, they do whatever government wants them
Speaker 1: to do. If they government tells them that David Knight
Speaker 1: can't ride anywhere, they would enforce that for them. And
Speaker 1: so they're all about that kind of a partnership that
Speaker 1: we see there, and they're all about getting rid of
Speaker 1: As Travis Kalalnik of Uber used to say, the reason
Speaker 1: our rides are expensive is because that other dude in
Speaker 1: the car. We're going to get rid of that other
Speaker 1: dude in the car. We're going to have self driving cars.
Speaker 1: That's where we want to go. So who's going to
Speaker 1: be able to afford to driving these things?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Because it's not just one sector with artificial intelligence or
Speaker 1: bodies and everything. They're going for every sector all at once.
Speaker 1: They're trying to reduce this. There's an MIT report saying
Speaker 1: that they could get rid of it. I forget how
Speaker 1: many tens of millions of jobs, but it was massive.
Speaker 1: It was like maybe twenty million jobs or something. We
Speaker 1: think we can replace twenty million jobs right now with
Speaker 1: AI if we get really serious about this and we
Speaker 1: build the data centers.
Speaker 3: And well, they do that because it will increase their
Speaker 3: profit margin, will reduce their health care costs, something else.
Speaker 3: So you know, you mentioned how this guy, the lift guy,
Speaker 3: says that cities are bad and are good, but cities
Speaker 3: are good. It's an unconscious confession his subjective value. He
Speaker 3: personally thinks that cities are great, and he personally thinks
Speaker 3: that it's bad to not live in them, and doesn't
Speaker 3: even appreciate that other people might have a different point
Speaker 3: of view, and if they have a different point of view,
Speaker 3: you know, their should be stomped. They shouldn't be allowed
Speaker 3: to have their different point of view. That's the that's
Speaker 3: the mentality of the people that we're dealing with. They
Speaker 3: can't live and let live. They can't say, Okay, I've
Speaker 3: got a point of view. I like living in an
Speaker 3: urban hive, I like living in an apartment. You go
Speaker 3: ahead and live in the country the ability you want to.
Speaker 3: They can't do that. The whole American idea that we
Speaker 3: used to have of live and let live, different strokes
Speaker 3: for different folks. It's just being exterminated by this this
Speaker 3: arrogant one size fits all. Everybody's going to do the
Speaker 3: same thing mentality.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like evs, so you're going to use an
Speaker 1: EV right, I'm going to demand that you use it.
Speaker 1: There's not going to be any other exception. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: got a couple of comments here. Birdhouse Blue says, I
Speaker 1: don't even recognize as the cars today.
Speaker 2: They all look the same. That's absolutely right, and.
Speaker 3: It's not by accident. The reason they all look the
Speaker 3: same is because they all have to comply with the
Speaker 3: same federal regulations and that greatly limits the ability of
Speaker 3: designers to come up with anything different. Yes, it's kind
Speaker 3: of like. The best way to understand it if you
Speaker 3: follow Cup racing. They literally had this template. It's this
Speaker 3: this thing that they put over the body of the car.
Speaker 3: The car has to be within those parameters in order
Speaker 3: to be legal to use on the track. So that's
Speaker 3: why the NASCAR cars all looked the same. No matter
Speaker 3: whether it says whatever or whatever, they all looked the same.
Speaker 3: And that's the reason why when you go to a
Speaker 3: car showroom, pretty much all the cars looked like they
Speaker 3: got stamped out of the same factory and a different
Speaker 3: badge got put on the fender.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He also has a comment he says cars used to
Speaker 1: have character. You know you're talking about that. That reminds
Speaker 1: me of the Superbird, And I think it was Richard
Speaker 1: Petty they did that, remember that it had and they
Speaker 1: actually sold that for consumers. I had a friend of
Speaker 1: mine in high school, his dad bought him a road
Speaker 1: Runner Superbird and had that long extension on the front
Speaker 1: and it had like the spoiler on the back that
Speaker 1: was like five feet above.
Speaker 2: The trunk and everything.
Speaker 1: It was crazy that he was driving this around on
Speaker 1: the road, but he could do it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It was a two hundred mile an hour car.
Speaker 2: Fatal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it really cool thing about stock car racing
Speaker 3: and those that they literally were stock cars in the
Speaker 3: sense that they took a production car, you know, and
Speaker 3: they turned it into a race car. Now, the cars
Speaker 3: that you see on a NASCAR circuit, they're all the
Speaker 3: same tube frame chassis underneath us with this skin on
Speaker 3: the top that's supposed to vaguely kind of remind you
Speaker 3: of a Ford or it's not anything at all remotely
Speaker 3: like a car that you can buy at the dealership,
Speaker 3: whereas back in the day, like your friend did, you
Speaker 3: could buy basically Richard Petty's car. Took version of.
Speaker 2: Richard Petty's car, And that's what crazy was. You know.
Speaker 3: They used to say, you know, went on Sunday, sall
Speaker 3: on Monday, and it was true because you know, you
Speaker 3: went to the race, and if you're a Chevy guy
Speaker 3: and you watched the Chevy win the race, or a
Speaker 3: Dodge guy whatever. You were happy about that, and you
Speaker 3: wanted to be associated with that, so you went and
Speaker 3: bought that car because you thought it was a winner,
Speaker 3: because it won the race, and there was truth in that. Now,
Speaker 3: you know, motorsports, at least as far as NASCAR goes.
Speaker 3: I know I'm going to get some hate for this,
Speaker 3: but I consider it to be the World Wrestling Federation
Speaker 3: of Motorsports.
Speaker 1: That's that's funny. But every time I say John in
Speaker 1: his car, you know, it was really nice guy. And
Speaker 1: the funny thing about it, he was not the kind
Speaker 1: of guy that would show off, and he didn't do
Speaker 1: that with anything else. And he was actually I always
Speaker 1: felt that he was embarrassed when people noticed his car.
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, my dad, those out a character. It
Speaker 2: was amazing.
Speaker 3: Those cars, those those those Daytona Superbirts. Yeah, those cars
Speaker 3: now are hundreds of thousands of dollars if you want
Speaker 3: to buy one.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Back at the day when when they were available to
Speaker 3: the dealers, they couldn't sell them. A lot of times
Speaker 3: they would sit on the lot and you know, they
Speaker 3: would eventually get fire sold to somebody for a budget price, because,
Speaker 3: like your friend, people felt a little awkward driving around
Speaker 3: in this thing with this huge wing on the back,
Speaker 3: you know, and that bullet nose that it had on
Speaker 3: the front.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, extended it that. It's like, yeah, how are
Speaker 2: you going to park that? Anyway?
Speaker 1: I assume that you didn't use that for your parallel
Speaker 1: parking driving test. It would never fit in the parking space.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, and it was always a lot of
Speaker 1: fun to see him, And I hope he didn't. Maybe
Speaker 1: if if he kept it, he's got a lot of
Speaker 1: money now he could get for that. But yeah, bernhouse
Speaker 1: Blue also says I used to buy many used cars
Speaker 1: for five hundred or less back.
Speaker 2: In the eighties. Even that's true.
Speaker 1: You know, let's talk a little bit about you got
Speaker 1: an article just came out this week, a solution for
Speaker 1: a created problem.
Speaker 2: Tell us about that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well, we all have experienced the frustration sitting
Speaker 3: at a traffic light and the light in front of
Speaker 3: us goes green and as soon as you cross the
Speaker 3: intersection up ahead, there's another light and it just went red.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and so you know, signal timing. It's a problem,
Speaker 3: but it's a problem is easily remedied by timing the
Speaker 3: signals so that generally speaking, on a given stretch of road,
Speaker 3: most of the lights wult go green sequentially in order
Speaker 3: so that the traffic can flow well instead of just
Speaker 3: doing it the simple way. Now, one of these tech
Speaker 3: bro companies, associated with the University of Michigan has proposed
Speaker 3: the fine idea of collating and collecting data being transmitted
Speaker 3: from your car, your GPS data and other data, so
Speaker 3: that the system organizes how many cars are on a
Speaker 3: given stretch of roador to given time, how fast they're moving,
Speaker 3: and they can use AI to coordinate the lights. Of course, really,
Speaker 3: what this is about again is monitoring you, collecting data
Speaker 3: about you. They swear up and down on a stack
Speaker 3: of Brave New Worlds that it's anonymized data, but of
Speaker 3: course it's not. It's only anonymized because they choose it
Speaker 3: to be anonymized. All of this is tied, particularly to
Speaker 3: your car. People don't realize. Most people don't know that
Speaker 3: pretty much all cars nown with it made within the
Speaker 3: last ten or fifteen years have what they call telematics,
Speaker 3: which means that they are constantly in communication with the hive.
Speaker 3: I call it the hive they're receiving updates, they're transmitting this,
Speaker 3: and you have no consent and no ability to thwart that.
Speaker 3: And it's quite remarkable that there hasn't been more outrage
Speaker 3: as far, at least as far as I'm concerned. I
Speaker 3: don't like the idea of my car being like my
Speaker 3: cell phone in that it is controlled by some corporate
Speaker 3: entity somewhere that can decide that it wants to update it,
Speaker 3: ie change it, or that it can use the device
Speaker 3: to track my movements. Not because I'm a criminal, but
Speaker 3: because I have I don't want people knowing where I'm going.
Speaker 3: That's reasonable. I don't feel like I ought to have
Speaker 3: an ankle bracelet on unless I've actually been convicted of
Speaker 3: a crime.
Speaker 2: That's right. You know.
Speaker 1: There was an interesting thing reported on the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, and there was a guy who was pushing
Speaker 1: back against a bunch of statists who were pushing for
Speaker 1: some new safety devices or something to be made mandatory
Speaker 1: on cars. And this is a guy who before he
Speaker 1: became a politician, he used to sell cars, and so
Speaker 1: he decided he would go around and see if these
Speaker 1: people actually had bought these safety devices that were optional
Speaker 1: on their cars. So he went around and got their
Speaker 1: VEN numbers for their cars, looked it up, and found
Speaker 1: out that these people who were saying, you absolutely have
Speaker 1: to have this stuff had declined paying for it when
Speaker 1: they had the option to, and we're going to use
Speaker 1: their money. So he said, so now you're going to
Speaker 1: force everybody to buy what you chose not to buy
Speaker 1: when you had the opportunity to do it. And their
Speaker 1: reaction to it was like, how dare you get my
Speaker 1: VEN number? Look this stuff up. You violated my privacy
Speaker 1: And this is the most hypocritical thing you can imagine.
Speaker 1: These are the people who are spying on us with everything,
Speaker 1: as you point out, in our car and all the
Speaker 1: rest of it. Of course, there's also the massive flock
Speaker 1: network of cameras that are out there doing automated license
Speaker 1: plate reading, and not just the license plate, but they
Speaker 1: are creating an id profile of your car, looking at
Speaker 1: the idiosyncrasies of it. Does it have a dent on
Speaker 1: the side, or a scratch or this or that, and
Speaker 1: tracking that literally tracking it for law enforcement all the time,
Speaker 1: and doing that as a contract, and that is exploding.
Speaker 2: That's the kind.
Speaker 1: Of public private tyranny that we see over and over again,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was just the most amazing. I
Speaker 1: played that clip a couple of weeks and within the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, and the attitude of these people,
Speaker 1: how dare you do this one? They are mandating stuff
Speaker 1: for people, and they are spying on people all the time.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting to me that, you know, this gets
Speaker 3: us into the subject of the driver assistance technology, which
Speaker 3: is related to it. Why is it that it is
Speaker 3: made standard equipment now in every vehicle even though the
Speaker 3: overwhelming majority of people do not want this. I can't
Speaker 3: tell you how many times I get emails and comments
Speaker 3: whenever I do shows like yours, people say, you know,
Speaker 3: I despise being parented by my car. I don't like
Speaker 3: lane keep assistance, I don't like any of that. I
Speaker 3: want to turn it off. You can't turn it off anymore.
Speaker 3: All you can do is turn it down. And it's
Speaker 3: interesting that these manufacturers, who you'd think would not want
Speaker 3: to alienate their customers. Why would you put something in
Speaker 3: a vehicle that most people don't want. Yeah, well, it's
Speaker 3: because they want it. And then the question is vegu
Speaker 3: well why do they want it? And I think the
Speaker 3: reason is because there's just gradually, piece by piece putting
Speaker 3: together this in which you will have no control over
Speaker 3: your car beyond which beyond what they want you to have.
Speaker 3: So the minute that you go outside the parameters of that,
Speaker 3: you know the car will correct you and it may
Speaker 3: get to the point where it just shuts off. It
Speaker 3: doesn't operate at all if you don't operate it within
Speaker 3: the allowable parameters. And at that point we might as
Speaker 3: well just all sign up for a Johnny cab. And
Speaker 3: which is ultimately, I think what they really do want.
Speaker 1: It is it is and that's why these car companies
Speaker 1: have been partnerships, in a partnership with government to add
Speaker 1: all these expensive add ons and all these things that
Speaker 1: people don't want because it drives the price of the
Speaker 1: car up and they can charge people for that. But
Speaker 1: the problem is is that they've kind of you know,
Speaker 1: one thing that Vladimir Lenin got right was he said,
Speaker 1: the capitalists will solve the rope that she used to
Speaker 1: hang them, and they used to hang these guys. Now
Speaker 1: is you know, they sold all these safety device ropes
Speaker 1: to rope you in and now their cars are so
Speaker 1: expensive people can't afford it. But they then of course,
Speaker 1: the solution to that is to get even more into
Speaker 1: a relationship and a partnership with the government, so that
Speaker 1: they are the providers with this mobility stuff that's going
Speaker 1: to be privately owned but will be heavily controlled, and
Speaker 1: there'll be the government will tell them what to do,
Speaker 1: and of course you'll have the politicians who will get
Speaker 1: to wet their beak as the mafia people say. That's
Speaker 1: basically this is going to operate. It's going to be
Speaker 1: a Chinese model. That's why they opened up China for
Speaker 1: this time.
Speaker 3: Inevitably, to speak to your point about not seeing their
Speaker 3: own self interest, there will have to be a winning
Speaker 3: of the number of manufacturers, because it just doesn't make
Speaker 3: sense to have as many manufacturers as there still are
Speaker 3: producing essentially the same thing. Why not consolidate everything kind
Speaker 3: of like they did in the Soviet Union, where you
Speaker 3: could get a lot of maybe after fifteen or twenty
Speaker 3: years on a waiting list, it's going to be trampont.
Speaker 3: You know, those are your choices back in the old
Speaker 3: Soviet days. And ultimately I see something like that happening.
Speaker 3: You know, Philip Dick, the great sci fi writer, foresaw this.
Speaker 3: If you read his novel Blade Runner, they don't get
Speaker 3: into it, or the novel is do Android stream of
Speaker 3: Electric Sheep. The movie Blade Runner is the one that
Speaker 3: people are more familiar with. But in the novel, everything
Speaker 3: is controlled by what's called the Turtal Corporation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Everything, It's sort of like, you know, the Amazon of
Speaker 3: our time. It's just this, Every single consumer good is
Speaker 3: made and manufactured by this one pyramidal, structured, massive corporation
Speaker 3: that controls everything. You know, that book decades and decades
Speaker 3: and decades ago, and here we are, you know, very prescient,
Speaker 3: and the way it foresaw, you know, what corporatism would,
Speaker 3: would turn capitalism into.
Speaker 1: All these dystopian novels have become a manual these people,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you talk about you'd wait for decades
Speaker 1: for that. That was one of the best Ronald Reagan jokes.
Speaker 1: Basically in Russia, right, the guy orders, I enough as
Speaker 1: a car, let's just say as a washing machine, and
Speaker 1: he goes, I will have that for you in ten years.
Speaker 2: And the guy.
Speaker 1: Says afternoon or morning, And he says, why do you
Speaker 1: ask is ten years now? He goes, well, because I've
Speaker 1: got the dishwasher coming in the morning. Ten years from now.
Speaker 3: Sad, Yeah, because those of us who can remember the
Speaker 3: way America used to be, you know, never thought America
Speaker 3: would become like the Soviet Union, that's right, yet rapidly
Speaker 3: on our way to becoming exactly that.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's even to the extent that you've
Speaker 1: got a lot of these conservative influencers. And again, these
Speaker 1: are not people who are researchers and not reporters. They're
Speaker 1: not journalists. They are influencers that ought to tell you something.
Speaker 1: But they're out there trying to rehabilitate Richard Nixon, of
Speaker 1: all people, our fifty five mile an hour guy who
Speaker 1: created the EPA and so many other issues out there,
Speaker 1: and he opened us up to China and he set
Speaker 1: us down on this path. And I said, you know,
Speaker 1: think about it, Conservatives. If you like Richard Nixon, you
Speaker 1: got to like Henry Kissinger, mister globalism himself.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: But it's amazing how this is all. You know, it's
Speaker 1: a long term plan that they've been operating on.
Speaker 3: You know, with regard to what we talked about at
Speaker 3: the beginning of the interview, the federal fuel economy standards,
Speaker 3: you know, I think it's the best way to challenge
Speaker 3: that is to say, why is the government involved in
Speaker 3: that at all?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: I mean, what business is it of the government to
Speaker 3: decree to you or I how many miles for gallon
Speaker 3: a vehicle that we choose to buy with our own
Speaker 3: money must get.
Speaker 1: Where is that in the constitution? And where is the
Speaker 1: authority for the EPA and the constitution?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: And it's based on a fatuity, you know. The argument
Speaker 3: is that if the government weren't doing this, then the
Speaker 3: meat old automakers would make nothing but gas guzzling cars
Speaker 3: and we'd all be at the mercy of Big Well,
Speaker 3: it's nonsense. Before Cafe came along in the early seventies,
Speaker 3: there were plenty of fuel efficient cars available, so it's
Speaker 3: a lie. And you know, these these mandates that are
Speaker 3: coming out the cafe thing cost you money. Yeah, your
Speaker 3: car gets thirty five miles for gallon, but it also
Speaker 3: costs forty thousand dollars. Now you're really not saving any
Speaker 3: money because you've got this micro engine, turbocharged hybrid augmented
Speaker 3: thing with a CBT transmission and yay, I'm getting you know,
Speaker 3: five miles more per gallon than you know, i than
Speaker 3: the vehicle that costs thousands and thousands of dollars left less.
Speaker 3: But you know, I guess people just can't do basic
Speaker 3: math anymore, so they can buy into this nonsense.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this sped piece that you put out
Speaker 1: the last generation, but this out yesterday. You started by saying,
Speaker 1: before the nineties, men drove cars and kids rode bicycles
Speaker 1: without helmets. Now men will wear helmets to ride a bicycle,
Speaker 1: and kids aren't allowed to ride in a car unless
Speaker 1: they're strapped in a safety seat. You know that that
Speaker 1: is the amazing thing. You know, Travis just had to
Speaker 1: get a car seat for their son, and of course
Speaker 1: you know they're talking about, well, this is going to
Speaker 1: last up until you know, whatever the age is, and
Speaker 1: and you know, they make the cars so that they
Speaker 1: have different inserts that you can put in when they're small,
Speaker 1: and they can keep staying in that car seat forever.
Speaker 2: You know, as they get older and older. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: And you know one of the hidden costs of that.
Speaker 3: By the way, with regard to the safety seat mandate,
Speaker 3: it effectively pushes people to buy a three row suv
Speaker 3: at some point or across because if you got more
Speaker 3: than two kids. You know, it becomes just too difficult
Speaker 3: to fit the seats in the back of the thing,
Speaker 3: so you need to So then you have to move
Speaker 3: up and buy this much more expensive vehicle, you know,
Speaker 3: I you know, I just I missed the days. You know,
Speaker 3: when we were kids. You went for a drive, Mom
Speaker 3: and dad are opened the door, just jump in the
Speaker 3: car and go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you got to go. You've got to be
Speaker 1: able to get in the car and get them into
Speaker 1: the car seat and all the rest of this stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, we just used to climb in these cars.
Speaker 1: They didn't have seat belts, they didn't have padded dashboards
Speaker 1: or anything. We used to joke about it. Even when
Speaker 1: in high school, you know, they started putting in the
Speaker 1: seat belts. They weren't mandatory yet, and we used to
Speaker 1: laugh about it and say, yeah, we used to just
Speaker 1: somebody have an accent. We just hose the blood off
Speaker 1: the dashboard and saw the car.
Speaker 2: Get sure.
Speaker 3: You know, I understand that there is an increased risk.
Speaker 3: I know some people listening to us might be appalled
Speaker 3: at what I'm suggesting here, but I think it's gotten
Speaker 3: to be almost neurotic. No, I think it is neurotic.
Speaker 3: It is about top fear that pervades our society about
Speaker 3: what might happen, you know, heaven for fenn. You know,
Speaker 3: you get in a car and drive down to the
Speaker 3: mailbox without your seatbelt on, you know you might die.
Speaker 3: This is the attitude that people have now, and it's
Speaker 3: just it's over the top and it's silly. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: just on a moral level, if you're an adult, you
Speaker 3: don't need to be parented. Presumably you're grown up, so
Speaker 3: ease off, leave me alone. I'll make decisions all weigh costs, benefits,
Speaker 3: risks and reward for myself. You have no right to
Speaker 3: parent another adult, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would be absolutely appalled to see what happens
Speaker 1: in China when we were there like twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: You know, you got somebody's the family. They don't have
Speaker 1: an issue v they don't have a car, they got
Speaker 1: a motorcycle, and they just tell the little kids that
Speaker 1: are maybe you know, four years old, just hang on,
Speaker 1: you know, there's no seat belt, there's nothing there. Somehow
Speaker 1: they managed to survive. I used to always laugh about
Speaker 1: the magic school bus. So when the thing would come
Speaker 1: on and they would start by saying seat belts everybody
Speaker 1: said there's no seat belts on a school bus. They
Speaker 1: cover them with laws and yellow paint to make sure
Speaker 1: that nobody gets hurt. You know, it's always great talking
Speaker 1: to you, Eric. We're out of time. That went by really,
Speaker 1: really fast, as it always does. Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: Eric Peters dot com. Check it out, folks, great sight
Speaker 1: for news.
Speaker 3: Thank you, David, appreciate it.
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