Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog.
Speaker 2: My dog.
Speaker 1: We're flying through the air over the tree. I don't
Speaker 1: know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm really confused.
Speaker 1: All I saw was my dog coming over the fence
Speaker 1: and he was dead. And once you hit the ground like,
Speaker 1: I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my
Speaker 1: dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are you putting?
Speaker 1: We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?
Speaker 1: Did you see what it was or was it was?
Speaker 1: Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus,
Speaker 1: quice you better or hello? Hit somebody out here when
Speaker 1: I'm out there. It's good of a venture about text nine.
Speaker 1: I don't know out there? Yeah, I'm walking right ay, I.
Speaker 3: Booked on a walk of My guest to the show.
Speaker 3: It is author and researcher George Mitrovic, coming from across
Speaker 3: the Pond in Australia. Welcome to the show, sir.
Speaker 2: Hello, how are you? Would you believe I've forgotten your
Speaker 2: name already? I'm tapeless with people's names. I feel like
Speaker 2: a big ball run, but I'm used to that. I
Speaker 2: just asked to introduce the guy next to me years ago,
Speaker 2: and I looked to him as I've got no idea
Speaker 2: what your name is. That I'm a brother, you idiot.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's the way my brain works. And then
Speaker 2: you ask me about some by barthrocking every single part
Speaker 2: of it. I'm a researcher, an author, and it's raal Blazer.
Speaker 2: They've published over one hundred and forty books since twenty
Speaker 2: twelve whilst working full time. I'm nearly seventy. I get
Speaker 2: into a lot of prophecy with people because I don't
Speaker 2: have a hypothesis and charge in and find ways of
Speaker 2: proving it. I let the data prove and bring up
Speaker 2: whatever hypothesis at wants, and some of them can be
Speaker 2: quite start. One of my favorite subjects is our bloved
Speaker 2: friend Bigfoot, a sasquatch or Harry Homidd, whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call it.
Speaker 3: Let's get into that. Let's talk a little bit about Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about what got you interested it in the subject.
Speaker 2: To begin with, I've always been interested in strange mysteries,
Speaker 2: weird archaeology, stuff like that. My brother was only mentioning
Speaker 2: to me other day. They said, I still remember you
Speaker 2: dogging on the piano when you were five. I said,
Speaker 2: I know, it's horrendous, and I figure I remember wailing
Speaker 2: about it at the same time. What five year old
Speaker 2: does that. By seven, I was reading the aa Yendi Letters,
Speaker 2: which is about the Philadelphia Experiment. I started gathering books
Speaker 2: and there was a really good bookshop in the Australia
Speaker 2: event called the Ada Bookshop. It's been closed for years now,
Speaker 2: and I got some amazing books from there. And one
Speaker 2: thing my parents did, they spoiled me rotten with books.
Speaker 2: I read the Entact of Peter Britannic and by the
Speaker 2: time I was five. But it was helped by the
Speaker 2: fact that I was most tatly crippled from a car
Speaker 2: accident and couldn't do anything else. I'm fine now apart
Speaker 2: from old age. But I think it's what got is
Speaker 2: going and looking in every other direction. Most people don't
Speaker 2: have a chance to whilst looking through every mystery on Earth.
Speaker 2: I don't like mysteries. They annoy me. Every mystery is
Speaker 2: a question. Every question needs an answer, and I'll give
Speaker 2: you the answer. I met Bigfoot along the way the
Speaker 2: American Bigfoot. I met him for Ivan Sanderson's works brilliant
Speaker 2: often the founder of cryptozoologies, you would know along with
Speaker 2: Burned her Woman's and his book Bequests for the Sea
Speaker 2: Serpent was pretty amazing too. And I met Bigfoot and
Speaker 2: I met the frozen Minnesota Iceman. Did he exist? They
Speaker 2: did not exist? Hang on. I have a books I've
Speaker 2: read have mentioned them in China, in Asia and the
Speaker 2: Himalayas in South America. I hadn't heard of any in
Speaker 2: Australia yet of that time. I's only it's seven or eight,
Speaker 2: and I thought, let's look at bigfoots. I've had arguments
Speaker 2: with researchers. Since it's big feet, it's not bigfoots, or
Speaker 2: it's a bigfoot lural. I've got benefitsative and argue, semantics.
Speaker 2: Call it what you want, call it late for dinner.
Speaker 2: I really don't care. Just don't call me late for dinner.
Speaker 2: You can call me anything else. And they've been called
Speaker 2: lots of things. I wanted to know who is Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Who is this large cryptid preacher? And in those days
Speaker 2: we only fought of them as wandering up and down
Speaker 2: the Great Forest Melts Washington, Iregon, Northern California, so I
Speaker 2: started to gathering books. I had these old compositors tables
Speaker 2: from printing when they used to use little eyes, and
Speaker 2: they each had a slot. Each of those was twenty
Speaker 2: four units long, which was eight z or z, and
Speaker 2: so everything with a wait in thereb next to it.
Speaker 2: It's amazing what you're mass when you start doing a
Speaker 2: alphabetic I work on patterns. My brain works on patents.
Speaker 2: You can't do anything else. Thank on. Look at what's
Speaker 2: happening here. There aren't just big woods in West coast.
Speaker 2: They're on the East coast, not that many in the
Speaker 2: middle part because there aren't that many trees in the
Speaker 2: middle part. This animal's designed to hide amongst big brown trees,
Speaker 2: so it looks like a tree. They're built like a tree.
Speaker 2: There ain't and a half to nine and a half
Speaker 2: feet tall on average. Amongst sightings, they stink to higher heaven.
Speaker 2: On most cases. They generally tend to become carnivores. Where
Speaker 2: there is the Coombey ark crowd that says they're vegans
Speaker 2: and peaceful, but I'm not sure how many of them
Speaker 2: have actually approached one very close. But I'll leave into
Speaker 2: their opinions as well. Is this a real creature. So
Speaker 2: the advantage of going through thousands of is you sign themes. Yes,
Speaker 2: I know, I'm a theme fanatic like you. The most
Speaker 2: common theme, the most common theme in North American Bigfoot stories,
Speaker 2: and of course North American authors don't bever mentioning it
Speaker 2: very much or even regarded as having any significance. From Australia,
Speaker 2: we'll write anything. I must remind you every single one
Speaker 2: of my books as a bibliography, so you can chase
Speaker 2: the paper trayal. These aren't my ideas, this isn't my data.
Speaker 2: I'm just getting it for you, preserving it so it's
Speaker 2: still here so it doesn't disappear. Simple story. Randy and
Speaker 2: Andy young men, public college, late high school, driving around
Speaker 2: at two o'clock in the morning. I may have had
Speaker 2: a couple of beers. They may not have had a
Speaker 2: couple of beers. They reach that point of the drive
Speaker 2: in the woods for the forest, it's time to get
Speaker 2: out to relieve themselves. A lovely euphemism. We don't use
Speaker 2: that one in Australia, but this is a family program.
Speaker 2: Sol sticktivate euphemism. Next second, something is yelling, screaming, jumping, throwing, rocks,
Speaker 2: throwing wood, carrying on like a banshee, red eyes blazing,
Speaker 2: full height grown, And of course when afropoints get excited,
Speaker 2: their first stands out. That looks even bigger. They're saying,
Speaker 2: he is pierced off. Complately, Brandy and Andy, mysteriously enough,
Speaker 2: have stopped relieving themselves and got back to their car
Speaker 2: very quickly. And you say, what's out about. That's just
Speaker 2: a bigfoot carrying on. No, that is a bigfoot for
Speaker 2: reacting two two homined creatures. Yes, we are hominids urinating
Speaker 2: on its territory, which to the bigfoot means I am
Speaker 2: faming your territory. It's no longer yours. You try doing
Speaker 2: that in the April Monkey House at the zoo. You'll
Speaker 2: get the same response. If you go and makes the chimps,
Speaker 2: they won't be gentle at all. It won't be just
Speaker 2: a stern warning. It'll be God help you, because you'll
Speaker 2: need one. So if what that's interesting, that's hormon and
Speaker 2: anthropology one O one it's basics for apes and monkeys,
Speaker 2: and another little one another common theme. Randy and not Andy,
Speaker 2: but Randy and Sheryl are deep in the woods on
Speaker 2: a Friday night, it's dark, they're come together for warm
Speaker 2: they're obviously studying for very SAPs. What else would they
Speaker 2: be doing there? And they're busy doing whatever they're doing
Speaker 2: there in the woods away from prying eyes, or so
Speaker 2: they sing. The next second, there's his big hairy face
Speaker 2: at the windscreen or a side window and tends to
Speaker 2: freak out, so does Andy. Next time you see the
Speaker 2: monkey cage or the ape page at the zoo or
Speaker 2: the ape enclosure, it's what they like watching. It's not
Speaker 2: the seven PM news. It's other monkeys doing the way
Speaker 2: on thing because it the most natural physical process on earth.
Speaker 2: How do you think we are got here? There's no
Speaker 2: other technique known. Once again, this is anthropology one oh
Speaker 2: one here. And then it's a large territorial animal, very
Speaker 2: territorial animal, very wary of us, because every time we
Speaker 2: seem to show up, we're trying to shoot it. So
Speaker 2: they've learned the camouflage pretty well. They've learned to stay
Speaker 2: away from us. And yet the thousands of reports. I've
Speaker 2: just ordered a copy of nine books of mine in
Speaker 2: one set, amazing big for the encounters of the United States,
Speaker 2: state by states, some of the books having their own
Speaker 2: books a state. It's three hundred and thirty one pages.
Speaker 2: Someone's ever published. I published it two years ago. That's
Speaker 2: a lot of bigfoots. Why is it then in the
Speaker 2: United States, and in fact almost anywhere else has seen
Speaker 2: on earth? Remember that's Randy and Andy. They've gone back.
Speaker 2: They're going to fix this big barment. They're going to
Speaker 2: go and get him. And they've got their guns, the
Speaker 2: usual little small town American arsenal that you carried. And
Speaker 2: they've been shooting squirrels since I'm a knee high to
Speaker 2: a grasshopper. And they can shoot a squirrel at one
Speaker 2: hundred yards, how can they can't hit a nine and
Speaker 2: a half foot tour Harry Harmon at about twenty feet?
Speaker 2: Did they suddenly get nervous? Why? How come they did
Speaker 2: not hit fun? How come there is no record of
Speaker 2: one hanging on a barn wall somewhere. I'm not a
Speaker 2: very bright man. I have to give things very simple
Speaker 2: to understand them. I've found five reports have shot big foot,
Speaker 2: one in Canada in nineteen forty eight. Multiple pages doing
Speaker 2: this set of books. I was just mentioning you can
Speaker 2: get them on Amazon. In fact, I discovered there are
Speaker 2: more bigfoot sightings around Los Angeles, and there are in
Speaker 2: northern California, which is interesting. Like most Bigfoot sightings, I
Speaker 2: tend to phase out once the trees disappear. Christie not
Speaker 2: that finds animals, but there are some reports, but not many.
Speaker 3: Being over in Australia. I was over in the United
Speaker 3: Kingdom last summer to speak at a conference over there,
Speaker 3: and I got out in the woods at a couple
Speaker 3: of places out in the Summerset area in the UK.
Speaker 3: I was shocked, honestly to see the type of forest
Speaker 3: that they have there. They're very similar to what we
Speaker 3: deal with. I'm in North Carolina here in the United States.
Speaker 3: I've been in the Pacific Northwest. It's a little different
Speaker 3: out in Washington State obviously, but it was very similar.
Speaker 3: And there are people who claim to have encounters with Sasquatch,
Speaker 3: Bigfoot in the United Kingdom and obviously the Yowie in Australia.
Speaker 3: Over the years, Have there been any stories that you
Speaker 3: have researched or found, whether it be in the United Kingdom,
Speaker 3: whether it be in Australia or just around the world
Speaker 3: that stuck out to you and your research that you
Speaker 3: found more credible or something extraordinary about them.
Speaker 2: Is there only one credible story I've found, and it's
Speaker 2: credible because it was relating into an incident. I'd have
Speaker 2: to read it. I love it. This is an incident
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty five in a little place near Lawrenceburg
Speaker 2: and Tennessee. It's written by an American Indian woman. Fifty
Speaker 2: five years later, around two thousand and eight. It has
Speaker 2: been published nineteen fifty five. In those times, no one
Speaker 2: talked about Bigfoot. About for the American Indians, the indigenous populations.
Speaker 2: I didn't figet the East coast. It's almost got as
Speaker 2: many Bigfoot reports, but with lot more names. I just
Speaker 2: want to read this to you. My apologies for my
Speaker 2: bad American accent. This was fifty three years ago. It
Speaker 2: was in Ethridge, Tennessee. I don't remember how to get
Speaker 2: back to the old farm place, but even if I did,
Speaker 2: it is not the same anymore. So much land as
Speaker 2: being cleared. Hello all, I'm a fifty six year old woman,
Speaker 2: but has never gave a second thought to the life
Speaker 2: of what people call him Bigfoot. I knew him as
Speaker 2: Whistling Paddy as a child. That is what my grandparents
Speaker 2: and all the neighbors called him. Our neighbors were few
Speaker 2: and far between that every one of them knew for
Speaker 2: whistling Paddy. That is what they called him. I myself
Speaker 2: can remember his screaming and whistling sounds as a child.
Speaker 2: We lived in the deep woods in Ethridge, Tennessee, with
Speaker 2: no electricity or indoor plumbing. Who was always around and
Speaker 2: we were used to his sound until he came for
Speaker 2: scraps at night. He did not eat any meat, only
Speaker 2: peeling some potatoes and have a binge. He or she
Speaker 2: was white with red eyes, as I know some folks
Speaker 2: that called albillino. I guess my grandparents are not learned people.
Speaker 2: They could not read or write. They had to sign
Speaker 2: with an X. But I knew he was real. They
Speaker 2: did not fear him. I saw him or her lots
Speaker 2: of times. My aunt Wi lived about a mile away,
Speaker 2: opened their back door one night to throw out a
Speaker 2: dishwater and threw it on Paddy because he was standing
Speaker 2: at the back door. It did not scare her because
Speaker 2: she was used to it, although she had nine children.
Speaker 2: She went and got some potatoes and gave him. He
Speaker 2: was hungry. This's Paddy was about seven to eight feet
Speaker 2: tall and did not ever hurt anyone. I'd like to
Speaker 2: know if anyone else has ever heard one called a
Speaker 2: whistling Paddy, because that is what he was called when
Speaker 2: I was a small child growing up in those woods,
Speaker 2: and we did not fear him, but we had to
Speaker 2: come inside right before dark because Mama would say, Paddy
Speaker 2: is out here and we can't trust him. We don't
Speaker 2: know who he is.
Speaker 4: And stay tuned for more sasquatch arleousy. We'll be right
Speaker 4: back after these messages.
Speaker 2: If anyone else Evan knew have a bigfoot that was
Speaker 2: called by the name of whistling Paddy, I'd like to know.
Speaker 2: My grandparents were Indian. I knew many things, but we're
Speaker 2: not smart when it came to the real world. I
Speaker 2: knew how to get by with ten children, I live
Speaker 2: a good life in the woods, and how spiderwebs packed
Speaker 2: into a wound would stop bleeding. They knew as I did.
Speaker 2: Paddy was real. He would tear bark off the trees
Speaker 2: and by young uncles and tree houses built in My
Speaker 2: uncles are still alive. They could tell more than me.
Speaker 2: Everyone who lived in this area knew Paddy. He would
Speaker 2: always come at dusky dark, never bright daylight. It was
Speaker 2: hardwood forest towards. All around there was whiskey stills in
Speaker 2: the woods by Grandpa had one also always as a child.
Speaker 2: Neighbors would come sometimes and tell about the Paddy was
Speaker 2: at their house or in the woods behind the house,
Speaker 2: or the other night. They gave him food too, even
Speaker 2: if it was just potato feelings. It would take it.
Speaker 2: We were poor people and cooked out feelings for the
Speaker 2: family to eat. My mum always made sure we had
Speaker 2: a full belly, the same something for Paddy. I love
Speaker 2: the elegant simplicity. There's nothing made up, there's nothing fatsful
Speaker 2: about it. It gives great credits in the retelling. I've
Speaker 2: also left the grammar and spelling, which is quite amazing. Intact,
Speaker 2: it's such a wonderful sighting, full of originality and spirit,
Speaker 2: and it is my favorite Bigfoot sighting. I know it
Speaker 2: went on for a while. It is pure from the heart.
Speaker 2: No one made better and that's it. It really gets
Speaker 2: to you. You can visualize it in the deep woods
Speaker 2: of Tennessee. Around there treach is as far as I know,
Speaker 2: it's still pretty wild. Is she s too far from you? Actually? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Tennessee's only a few hours away from here. That's one
Speaker 3: of the interesting things about this phenomenon. I have always
Speaker 3: been a very skeptical person when it comes to Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Just recently last summer, I had my own encounters. I
Speaker 3: was out in the Pacific Northwest. I got to see
Speaker 3: these things three times in two days. And I am
Speaker 3: now a knower. So I am more in the camp
Speaker 3: of trying to figure out what these things are, why
Speaker 3: we can't prove them with science. Why it seems that,
Speaker 3: as you alluded to earlier, you've got multiple volumes of
Speaker 3: all of these encounters. This is an encounter's based podcast.
Speaker 3: At this point, I'm over six hundred episodes in. I've
Speaker 3: probably interviewed a thousand people at this point face to face,
Speaker 3: either on the show or at a conference or a
Speaker 3: festival or a convention or a book signing, that have
Speaker 3: had encounters.
Speaker 4: With these creatures.
Speaker 3: Yet, very much to your point earlier, nobody's ever shot one.
Speaker 3: We don't have a body that we know of. There's
Speaker 3: some conspiracy theories out there that think they may be
Speaker 3: at the Smithsonian. They're in the basement with all the
Speaker 3: other things that people know about. Don't forget the giants
Speaker 3: exactly the red hair giants that I don't think ever
Speaker 3: truly exist in the Lovelock Caves. There's so many different things.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, and you're research and looking
Speaker 3: into this, why do you think it is that we
Speaker 3: do have such a problem even though there's so many
Speaker 3: anecdotal experiences that people relate to people like me, you,
Speaker 3: and other repositories for this kind of information, Yet these
Speaker 3: things remain so elusive that we can't prove them scientifically
Speaker 3: and get them recognized by science. Why do you think
Speaker 3: that is? Do you have a theory on what could
Speaker 3: be going on there?
Speaker 2: I didn't have a theory. I have an observation of
Speaker 2: a practice. When you go to high school, you learn
Speaker 2: based on the curricula given to you by academia. When
Speaker 2: you go into academic to develop your powers or your skills,
Speaker 2: you were still limited by the academia that sent you
Speaker 2: in there. And if you don't answer their questions the
Speaker 2: way they want it, you don't get tenure, you don't
Speaker 2: get a job to enforced fair guideline. Because if they
Speaker 2: suddenly said, oh, we've decided to actually analyze this data
Speaker 2: for hair scrapings and the odd bit of bigfoot we've
Speaker 2: found over the years. It's actually real. Holy Mother of God,
Speaker 2: it means we've got to include everything. Before you know it,
Speaker 2: they're bringing out supercubra bodies and gargoyles from the Midwest Texas.
Speaker 2: It would destroy their paradigm that they've worked so hard
Speaker 2: to keep constructed. I'll give you a simple analogy. It's
Speaker 2: not a big Foot analogy. I'll give you a simple analogy.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of Lewis Leaky. Lewis Leaky was the
Speaker 2: greatest paleontologist that ever lived. He discovered Lucy and the
Speaker 2: Old Gorge ten plus other eightient commoned fossils. He was
Speaker 2: the expert. He wrote for books. He established for science
Speaker 2: that humans were around millions of years ago, in various forms,
Speaker 2: all happily evolving away. His books are here's the boss.
Speaker 2: He knows what he's talking about. He went to North
Speaker 2: America for a visit. He visited Calico in Texas and
Speaker 2: another sight in California. Were shown little stone tools called
Speaker 2: elists saw them here, and he declared and published that
Speaker 2: these were eolifs. These they're exactly the same as the
Speaker 2: ones he found in Africa. But American academia said no,
Speaker 2: don't exist now was here before eighteen thousand BC. Excuse me.
Speaker 2: This is the prime person in charge of all of
Speaker 2: this in the world, and American academia says, no, you're wrong.
Speaker 2: It depends on who's protecting whose turf. I bite the
Speaker 2: American academic turf quite often. I've been running an argument
Speaker 2: with one lately, and God, they got annoyed when they'd argue,
Speaker 2: and all I kept giving them was science articles from
Speaker 2: proper respect to academic sources refuting their arguments. Because my
Speaker 2: research has found remains of ancient man mammos with spear
Speaker 2: points in Puebla State south of Mexico City, at a
Speaker 2: quarter of a million years old. My books are full
Speaker 2: of them. That's why I also bibiography. Do you want
Speaker 2: to argue with me, argue with the knowledge train, because
Speaker 2: I will argue knowledge has to be promoted, it has
Speaker 2: to be saying. That's how I answer that question. It's
Speaker 2: our job to continue collecting data. I need to learn
Speaker 2: what these people have done. How I've written in all
Speaker 2: my books on bigfooted monsters. I know your grandma went
Speaker 2: out and she saw something, but you forgot to mention
Speaker 2: where and when, which means that bit of data is
Speaker 2: totally useless. It's of no use. I can't find anything
Speaker 2: about it. I can't find it for a number fifty
Speaker 2: within a mile of it. I can't find passage. But
Speaker 2: that's only from my viewpoint of finding somebody off. But
Speaker 2: write a book on how us similarities of big food.
Speaker 2: I've never met one that they might. So that's my answer.
Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit about some of the patterns
Speaker 3: because that comes up. You mentioned one earlier. You mentioned
Speaker 3: the smell in a lot of the encounters that people,
Speaker 3: at least here in North America often talk about. Honestly,
Speaker 3: for me, it's only been at about twenty to thirty
Speaker 3: percent of the stories that people share as far as
Speaker 3: their encounters where they either see something and or hear
Speaker 3: something have some sort of encounter with what they believe
Speaker 3: to be a sasquatch, but the smell is not there
Speaker 3: in a lot of cases. Are there other patterns that
Speaker 3: you have found as you've collected these encounters in these
Speaker 3: stories for your books and your research. Are you finding
Speaker 3: other patterns as far as as what these creatures look like,
Speaker 3: some of the things that they do, the wood knocks,
Speaker 3: some of those things. Can you talk a little bit
Speaker 3: about some of the patterns that you've discovered, and what
Speaker 3: do you think contributes to some of those patterns. Do
Speaker 3: you equate it to known primate and ape behavior? Is
Speaker 3: that what you're looking at in those.
Speaker 2: Patterns, remembering the primate behavior, it's just one of my
Speaker 2: hands is for Bigfoot. It does get more confusing. It
Speaker 2: was stick to that. Other animals bash rocks on things,
Speaker 2: that's quite common. Other animals use voices to communicate with whistling. Paddy,
Speaker 2: so many reports of whistling Big Feet to each other.
Speaker 2: Because a whistle carries further than a holla, it's a
Speaker 2: higher tone. You'll pick it up better. The creatures are
Speaker 2: designed for the air environment. They build nests. Lots of
Speaker 2: nests have been found, Lots of scatter's been found, and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't like to go near anything that produced something
Speaker 2: that large. When we generally find the scat and it's
Speaker 2: not scat, it's not humans scat, it's not wolverine skat,
Speaker 2: it says bloody big scatter. Something enormous has had a
Speaker 2: big crap. If we want to put it into basic words.
Speaker 2: As I said before, I'm not a very bright person.
Speaker 2: I do have to keep things very simple. Bigfoot is
Speaker 2: an elusive creature. We've determined that that's why we don't
Speaker 2: have one in the zoo looking out at us. But
Speaker 2: also to a lot of people are saying it Bigfoot
Speaker 2: doesn't live on Earth, doesn't exist to you don't bother
Speaker 2: looking here, nothing to look at here, because it's multi dimensional. Okay,
Speaker 2: We've got lots of reports. We've got to whold American
Speaker 2: Indian mythologies and world mythologies on that. Have I just appear,
Speaker 2: Have I just disappeer? Have I'll chase you and hunt
Speaker 2: you down? Just look at the windy gap? How they
Speaker 2: can be so incredibly fast when you see embracing across
Speaker 2: a large open area past than the normal creature. My dear,
Speaker 2: You've got to remember they're very tall creatures with a
Speaker 2: huge legspan, So we have to allow for witness interpretation
Speaker 2: of the event. But the American India cultures believe that
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot is also into dimensional just crops in and
Speaker 2: out and in. I can accept that as well, because
Speaker 2: I accept the multiverse. When you look at all the
Speaker 2: stuff I've read, you've got to accept a multiverse. There
Speaker 2: isn't one answer to everything. And now I'm going to
Speaker 2: throw a wild rabbit into the mix, the third version
Speaker 2: of Bigfoot. What the hell is the old pool going
Speaker 2: to talk about? Now? We're going to go to France
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty four. Oh incidentally, Bigfoot in England is
Speaker 2: called a Woodways or the green Man. Just for those
Speaker 2: listeners who are still away. France, October nineteen fifty four,
Speaker 2: during the largest UFO flap France has ever had. What
Speaker 2: are you talking about? We're talking about Bigfoot. We're not
Speaker 2: talking about you UFOs, silly old fool. Anyway, I will continue.
Speaker 2: There's the UFO. There were nine times. They are the
Speaker 2: hundreds of UFO sighting and lots of apparent landing. Who
Speaker 2: are sighted landings? The UFO bit Lands underground ramp comes out.
Speaker 2: Is it the big blonde guy from Venus or a
Speaker 2: gray No, it's a four foot tall furry creature with
Speaker 2: big eyes, a littlefoot. What does a little foot doing
Speaker 2: coming out of a UFO bagat if? I know? As
Speaker 2: I said, I just give you a reports that have
Speaker 2: been published, and there are a lot of them. That
Speaker 2: was nine rough for that month in France nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: eight ninety sixty nine, Pennsylvania around Union Town lots of
Speaker 2: UFO reports and in a big family gathering one evening landing,
Speaker 2: here it comes. And this time, seven years before Star
Speaker 2: Wars was released and put into the human consciousness, comes
Speaker 2: an eight and a half to nine foot tall bigfoot.
Speaker 2: I DANDAV was wearing a bandolero with bullets in it,
Speaker 2: carrying a gun. It might not have been schue Barker,
Speaker 2: but it might as well have been. And since that
Speaker 2: period there have been continuous hairy hormond sightings in association
Speaker 2: with u fos. That's three types of bigfoot, homegrown, into
Speaker 2: dimensional and imported. It's also an answer to the question.
Speaker 2: So we got three answers as I can said, we
Speaker 2: can keep the three answers. But if people don't like
Speaker 2: that only're like one answer to one question, well there
Speaker 2: can be multiple answers because once again, the data gives
Speaker 2: you the answer. I can't say these hundreds of people
Speaker 2: are wrong, Sorry stuffed them and the American Indians they're
Speaker 2: primitive and they're not half. They're not our civilization. That
Speaker 2: would be rude. I wouldn't have that anyway. All of
Speaker 2: that is inclusive three types, but the most common store
Speaker 2: set isoud the anthropoid ape one, especially with the crown structure,
Speaker 2: the muscular structure, the build of.
Speaker 3: That's one thing that I've had a really difficult time
Speaker 3: for me is I like to check boxes. I like
Speaker 3: to put things in boxes. I was in law enforcement
Speaker 3: for sixteen years, so I have a cop brain.
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything.
Speaker 3: So when it comes to these creatures, I have always
Speaker 3: planted my flag firmly in the flesh and blood camp,
Speaker 3: if you will, the anthropoid apes. Yet during my experiences
Speaker 3: last year, my encounter is one of the weird things
Speaker 3: that happened was we saw two sets of glowing white eyes.
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking eye shine. I'm not talking about
Speaker 3: to pay them loose at them reflected eye shine. I'm
Speaker 3: talking about self illuminating glowing eyes. Then we threw on
Speaker 3: our flashlights and I saw one of these creatures from
Speaker 3: ten feet away. I know that's what it was that
Speaker 3: really wrecked my theory, if you will, on these creatures.
Speaker 3: So I am definitely more open to having some of
Speaker 3: those conversations. It just gets a little strange when you
Speaker 3: are in the camp. I'm one of these people that
Speaker 3: I would like for these things to be proven to
Speaker 3: be real.
Speaker 2: Just for myself.
Speaker 3: Selfishly and for science, because I think it is very important,
Speaker 3: at least to me, for all of the people that
Speaker 3: have had these encounters and people think they're batshit crazy,
Speaker 3: there's really something out there. So that's a very important
Speaker 3: thing for me. And I know not everybody's in this
Speaker 3: for the same reason. There are plenty of people who
Speaker 3: don't want these things recognized by science because they know
Speaker 3: what tends to come with that, and they don't think
Speaker 3: that they need to be meddled with. They've been fine
Speaker 3: without us for however long they've existed. They don't need
Speaker 3: human beings in their life. And I totally get that,
Speaker 3: but I have a really hard time wrapping my brain
Speaker 3: around those three answers. There's three different types, if you will,
Speaker 3: just like you eloquently explained. I have conversations with pe
Speaker 3: people like Ron Moorehead, who I love. I've known Ron
Speaker 3: for years. He's into quantum physics. He wrote the book
Speaker 3: Quantum Bigfoot, and he explains a lot of things in
Speaker 3: the quantum realm, and it is way beyond Newtonian physics,
Speaker 3: and most people don't wrap their brain around Newtonian.
Speaker 4: Physics, much less quantum physics.
Speaker 3: So it's very difficult, and that's why I think a
Speaker 3: lot of people meet that with such resistance for a
Speaker 3: myriad of reasons. Sometimes it's ignorance, but a lot of
Speaker 3: times people do like to plant their flag and they
Speaker 3: don't feel like moving it. But it looks like to
Speaker 3: me that you do get into the quantum realm.
Speaker 2: Is that accurate?
Speaker 3: Do you look at quantum physics and try to explain
Speaker 3: some of these things that happen with Bigfoot and maybe
Speaker 3: some of these other cryptids and maybe even the UFOs
Speaker 3: or UAPs. Do you think maybe some of the answers,
Speaker 3: maybe not all, but at least some of the answers
Speaker 3: lie in quantum physics and quantum mechanics.
Speaker 4: And stay tuned for more sasque jealousy will be right
Speaker 4: back after these messages.
Speaker 2: For short answer. And incidentally, in the late sixties, no higher,
Speaker 2: there are reports of Bigfoot that every time they were shot,
Speaker 2: they exploded in a flash of light, which is not
Speaker 2: just isolated to our higher. It's been known to happen
Speaker 2: at other times before. So let's look at quantum physic
Speaker 2: Let's say you just bang, you've hit this big Foot
Speaker 2: in Ohio. It's nineteen sixty eight and it disappear asn't
Speaker 2: a flash of light? Did it retreat to another dimension,
Speaker 2: did it dissipate? Did it just become total massive sabatomic
Speaker 2: particles drifting away into the ether. Everything is quantum physics,
Speaker 2: Everything is harmonics. I have talked at times. You've heard
Speaker 2: me recently you mentioned it discussing part of quantum physics. Yes,
Speaker 2: that it's sort as simple as it's not as simple
Speaker 2: as it That's why we've got three types. It could
Speaker 2: even be more because in quintem physics we are responsible
Speaker 2: for the observation. The basis that kind of physics is
Speaker 2: if you believe in a curved line theory of atomic structure,
Speaker 2: or your experiments will come up with a curved line result,
Speaker 2: if you believe in the straight line theory, where your
Speaker 2: experiments come in with a straight line result. Sounds absurd
Speaker 2: being published hundreds and hundreds of times, but it sounds
Speaker 2: totally absurd because quantum physics basically is based on the
Speaker 2: entire universe and multiverse being just a system of different
Speaker 2: vibrations at different speeds. Are solids. Not much of a
Speaker 2: vibration going on there. Actually, it just sits there. Mind you.
Speaker 2: The physicist bows he won a Nobel prize. I think
Speaker 2: is a research in physics in the early twentieth century,
Speaker 2: so that even rocks have feelings or period of expansionar
Speaker 2: contraction like muscle expansionar contraction. I don't know. These books
Speaker 2: are a ass incomprehensible. A lot of physics is like that.
Speaker 2: Academia cloaks itself in their own language. So you have rocks,
Speaker 2: artificial rockets called a coffee cup. I mean agitate those
Speaker 2: atoms got liquids. I'm still thinking, what the hell is
Speaker 2: it to agitate that? Again? Here? God gas, why are
Speaker 2: you telling me that? I know that I learned an
Speaker 2: elementary school. But did you remember to learn that there
Speaker 2: are five states of matter? Oh? They didn't teach you,
Speaker 2: not even in senior high university. Oh, I might have
Speaker 2: brushed past it. At the center of a nuclear explosions
Speaker 2: a fifth state of matter. It's called pasma. Pasma is
Speaker 2: where the gravitational bond between all the sub nuclear particles
Speaker 2: are not bonded anymore. At the magnet grip has gone.
Speaker 2: You've got free form matter, but being produced by such
Speaker 2: hideously high temperatures. Nothing can survive it. But that's their
Speaker 2: bloody use is it. You just end up with huge
Speaker 2: light and heat occasions. Here are another two theories. One
Speaker 2: I used for years, but I've recently changed it that
Speaker 2: light and heat and exploding matter electrons, quarks, neutrons, neutrinos,
Speaker 2: all the basic building blocks are exploding out and they
Speaker 2: vibrate so far that they travel between dimensions, both SATs
Speaker 2: of matter, and then I can try and explain which
Speaker 2: I won't the latest fifth state of matter to replace
Speaker 2: the closer vacam I have mentioned for Bose. Einstein condemsated
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago as a possible solution to
Speaker 2: interdimensional travel due to its cold nature as well as
Speaker 2: being a product of the harmonics of microwaves. I describe
Speaker 2: it as electron magnetic harmonic resonance, and it explained and
Speaker 2: removed problems with using plasma state and the necessary heat
Speaker 2: needed to enter other dimensions. That's a lot to take in.
Speaker 2: That's my theory, and that way we don't have the
Speaker 2: intense heat because it's all based on harmonics, and everything
Speaker 2: in the universe is part of harmonics, and that's another
Speaker 2: talk on its own. But where it is harmonics joined
Speaker 2: together is where we get our interdimensional apes. So we're
Speaker 2: going to say I'm a wind to go, etc. Coming
Speaker 2: through interdimensional openings to Earth. Are the UFO is bringing
Speaker 2: the hairy creatures coming from other dimensions because the concept
Speaker 2: of tirement space is obsurd and privative. I spend four
Speaker 2: and a half years AT's bit of Light trying to
Speaker 2: get just from Alpha centaur right to hear Alpa centorious
Speaker 2: and nearest neighbor. When we can find the correct harmonic level,
Speaker 2: we're going through both sides at once, we're heres. I've
Speaker 2: been writing about it the years. This is a program
Speaker 2: on Bigfoot very fast times. I've had so many reports
Speaker 2: on the immense speed they could do is virtually instant
Speaker 2: across a paddict we're clearing. How do we explain it?
Speaker 3: It's almost impossible to explain because I literally just had
Speaker 3: this conversation with a guy I was interviewing earlier today.
Speaker 3: We were talking about plasmoids because he had a UFO
Speaker 3: experience as well in addition to some of his Bigfoot experiences.
Speaker 3: So we were talking about plasma and plasmoids, and we
Speaker 3: got a little bit into some quantum physics in our conversation,
Speaker 3: and I brought it up to him and it's something
Speaker 3: we've talked about on this program. I host multiple podcasts.
Speaker 3: I've talked about it over on that Bigfoot podcast with
Speaker 3: my co host over there, is that bigfoot. They clearly
Speaker 3: exist because I've seen them. So we're past that. We
Speaker 3: checked that box. But here's the thing that's very difficult
Speaker 3: for me to wrap my brain around. And this conversation
Speaker 3: is helping me at least further my thought process because
Speaker 3: in the animal kingdom, and this is the example I
Speaker 3: gave him earlier when I was talking to Justin, is
Speaker 3: you take an elephant humong us. Everybody already has this
Speaker 3: mental picture of what an elephant looks like. They're huge,
Speaker 3: they're strong, they're powerful, but they're slow. Then you take
Speaker 3: a cheetah, much smaller, sleek, compact built for speed, one
Speaker 3: of the fastest, if not the fastest, animal on the planet.
Speaker 3: But neither of those animals possess what the other has.
Speaker 3: A cheetah is the fastest thing, but it's not the strongest,
Speaker 3: it's not the biggest, it's not the most powerful. Elephants big, strong, powerful,
Speaker 3: not very fast. So here's the problem that I've had
Speaker 3: this dichotomy of thoughts in my brain about Bigfoot how
Speaker 3: is it that sasquatch Bigfoot has all of these things? Obviously,
Speaker 3: if if we're trying to explain it in the most
Speaker 3: basic terms, which is what I try to do, I'm
Speaker 3: very simple minded as well. If you don't get into
Speaker 3: or open yourself up to the fact that quantum physics
Speaker 3: and mechanics exist and could explain some of these superabilities
Speaker 3: that people often say that they experience with Bigfoot, nothing
Speaker 3: else really makes sense because these creatures exist. So if
Speaker 3: they exist in the physical form, they would be not
Speaker 3: only an anomaly in and of itself that there are
Speaker 3: some bipedal comminid, but they also have all of these
Speaker 3: other superabilities. They're super fast, they're strong, they're big, they're powerful,
Speaker 3: all of the above. It only makes sense to me
Speaker 3: that we need to start looking in other directions, very
Speaker 3: much like you're talking about, to explain some of those things.
Speaker 3: And it's a very difficult conversation for me to have
Speaker 3: on the show because a lot of my listeners don't
Speaker 3: want to hear that that's not their answer. So it's
Speaker 3: very fine line to try to bring people this data
Speaker 3: and also not lose them at the same time. It's
Speaker 3: a very hard thing to try to broach in the subjects.
Speaker 3: I'm learning my way, stumbling through trying to have these conversations,
Speaker 3: and maybe these kind of conversations with you may help
Speaker 3: to ease people into that, because what we've been doing
Speaker 3: for the last five or six decades looking for the
Speaker 3: big ape in the woods hasn't worked for most people.
Speaker 3: You can't just go out and find one and have
Speaker 3: an experience. You certainly just can't go out and shoot one,
Speaker 3: or somebody would have already done it and had it
Speaker 3: on the loot of their pickup truck, and we would
Speaker 3: all know that they exist. But that's not the case.
Speaker 3: So how do you have those kind of conversations with
Speaker 3: people who honestly don't want.
Speaker 2: To hear that. I'm not very good at banging my
Speaker 2: head against a trade prunk bigfoot, if ibidrite that as
Speaker 2: you can't understand it, Good on them. They're happy with
Speaker 2: their interpretation, they're happy with their reality, and I acknowledge it.
Speaker 2: I respect them for it. Concepts from beyond then and
Speaker 2: they're really freaky, they're really strange, and they get stranger
Speaker 2: as the science as a dat. They have already introduced Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: Chewbaca coming out of UFAs. I didn't want to talk
Speaker 2: about that, but that is what the data is leading to.
Speaker 2: I've mentioned the Amerindian mythology of a wendigo fifty other
Speaker 2: names as well. That's acknowledged by them. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to deny the truth of what they have experienced or
Speaker 2: see or believe, because that is there knowledge, their experience,
Speaker 2: and they believe the same as the people who believe
Speaker 2: he live it. He lives in the woods, and we
Speaker 2: just haven't managed to shoot one yet. But as I said,
Speaker 2: my research I found five that have been shot. One
Speaker 2: in Colorado, I think in nineteen fifty eight. Young fellows
Speaker 2: shot it, killed it, realized it looked like a man,
Speaker 2: they buried it, and it took decades of a report
Speaker 2: to come out. They're so scared of being arrested. Another
Speaker 2: Siberian event shot killed. The two trappers realized it was
Speaker 2: a bigfoot man, not just an ordinary man, and they
Speaker 2: didn't bear in the body and wouldn't talk about it
Speaker 2: for decades either. One of the most common themes, and
Speaker 2: we haven't mentioned it yet. There's people who finally do
Speaker 2: get to meet Bigfoot and they're about to try and
Speaker 2: shoot Bigfoot, and they look at Bigfoot's eyes. They look
Speaker 2: at Bigfoot's face and they say in the reports, and
Speaker 2: there are lots of reports, I couldn't shoot him or
Speaker 2: her or them because sometimes they are kids with them,
Speaker 2: our family troops, or they didn't breed on their own.
Speaker 2: Very difficult because they realized that they were looking at themselves.
Speaker 2: They realized they we're looking at another version of humanity,
Speaker 2: something that thinks and sees. You can't shoot yourself or
Speaker 2: you'll kill yourself. They just can't do it. They realize,
Speaker 2: I can't shoot the bigot, and that's the most common
Speaker 2: shooting sighting we have. We're always going to have conjectures,
Speaker 2: We're always going to have theories. I like just having
Speaker 2: the amphroboid ape theory. I think it's lovely. The solves
Speaker 2: so many problems, put some more than their boxes. And
Speaker 2: it's he hides well and he knocks over bins and
Speaker 2: eats things, and what other scavenger doesn't if there's food there,
Speaker 2: I mean the bears to it. Who would it. In Australia,
Speaker 2: we've got a bird called I called the binchook. The
Speaker 2: chook is Australian for a chicken, so it's called in
Speaker 2: polite society of a bin chicken. Well, you call it
Speaker 2: the binchook because we're more primitive and not that well educated,
Speaker 2: and we prefer using the vernacular. And that is just
Speaker 2: Denibus with a long beak and the black head. And
Speaker 2: he looks a bit weird, but he gets into the
Speaker 2: garbage in the middle of the cities. He owns Sydney,
Speaker 2: which is a capin to live near South Wales. You
Speaker 2: see them everywhere in the parks, walking in and out
Speaker 2: of shops and cafes, and people to say, yes's it's
Speaker 2: a big drug. And yet I've seen American tourists looking
Speaker 2: to say, what's that, Harry, It's ugly and this seems
Speaker 2: looking up and then we've probably what the hell are
Speaker 2: you two? But it's different ways of looking, different ways
Speaker 2: of reacting.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about one of your books. There
Speaker 3: are tons, I think you said, one hundred and forty
Speaker 3: books out on Amazon.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: There's one from twenty twenty three called The Little Book
Speaker 3: of Lost Giants of North America. Can you talk a
Speaker 3: little bit about that. I'm curious what can people expect
Speaker 3: when they pick that up?
Speaker 2: But it's a little book, all right. I write big books.
Speaker 2: I've written books at the seventeen hundred pages. But instead
Speaker 2: of giving you, as we drove down into the Luscus
Speaker 2: Valley with the beautiful flaring gun breeze around and there's
Speaker 2: the streme wound down the course, we could see the
Speaker 2: geology and hold him by God. Three days later or
Speaker 2: six pages, who actually get to I did say a
Speaker 2: big footstanding the stump. My book's average seven or eight
Speaker 2: bigfoot reports or anomalous creature reports or UFO reports a page.
Speaker 2: You're going to have Florence syndrome by the time you
Speaker 2: start reading it, because my book's batter your brain. And
Speaker 2: the funny thing is, I've had so many reports every
Speaker 2: years that people say, just when I think you're right,
Speaker 2: and I believe you, and this answers the question, you
Speaker 2: come up with a new question and destroy the old one,
Speaker 2: because I do. We have to get to the truth,
Speaker 2: and you have to demolish concepts on the way a
Speaker 2: little book of the Lost Giants. I've been interviewed by
Speaker 2: another person who's a good interviewer. I enjoy these interviews.
Speaker 2: But a few years ago now and he said, I
Speaker 2: only send a book on the Lost Giants of North America.
Speaker 2: For a while I said, I whipped my nup. I've
Speaker 2: got a big database. I can do amazing things very fast.
Speaker 2: So that weekend I whipped up the little book of
Speaker 2: Lost the Giants of North America and publish it on Amazon.
Speaker 4: Stating more sasquat jotausy, we'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: He wanted it bexres a giant convention somewhere a couple
Speaker 2: of months later. Okay, no worries here. It is most
Speaker 2: of them are seven and a half eight and a
Speaker 2: half foot tall. There are lots of legends that were
Speaker 2: all taken out of the mounds where they were found
Speaker 2: and taken to the Smithsonian and never seen again. There
Speaker 2: were that all the time. I mentioned our old mates
Speaker 2: at Lovelock, and I think seven other caves nearby, tall
Speaker 2: redheaded giants or part of Amerindian legends state that we
Speaker 2: killed them because they were attacking the women, killing people.
Speaker 2: These giants didn't send them the happiest creatures. And yet
Speaker 2: our giant were they as giants the aDNA who appeared
Speaker 2: on the Saint Lawrence Seaway six and a half to
Speaker 2: seven half foot tall on average. Remember, at the turn
Speaker 2: of the nineteenth to the twentieth century. The average American
Speaker 2: male height was five foot four inches in the seventeenth
Speaker 2: century when they first came over the spread pestilence across
Speaker 2: the land. But that's another story. There were less than
Speaker 2: five feet. So you meet a six and a half
Speaker 2: to seven and a half foot tall American India. But
Speaker 2: the adena they're giants, and people have said, oh no,
Speaker 2: but we've got reports of them being twenty foot tall,
Speaker 2: thirty foot tour. So we don't even have bigfoot bat
Speaker 2: tour because the skeletal structure will collapse. By the time
Speaker 2: they're twelve or thirteen foot tall. They start having huge
Speaker 2: prodence in blood circulation and bodily organ function. I got
Speaker 2: three diplomas in anatomy and physiology just in case any
Speaker 2: and asking I researched for subjects. These days, you're look
Speaker 2: an eight and a half foot tall person. It's an
Speaker 2: a league basketballer. Different die. Maybe it's a great foremone
Speaker 2: in the chickens. A lot of people reckon that they
Speaker 2: eat a lot of chicken. The giants were supposed to
Speaker 2: be a race that were destroyed by the American Indians
Speaker 2: all over North America. They were not. In many cases
Speaker 2: the mound builders, where a lot of mounds were found
Speaker 2: with giant remains in them. They are said to be counnibalistic.
Speaker 2: The other authors have devoted their lives to writing about them.
Speaker 2: I just got all the datro had on giants and
Speaker 2: chucked them in this little book of Giants to give
Speaker 2: you an idea of what's been researched, what's been found,
Speaker 2: and you can head off to the bibliography and find
Speaker 2: everything else you want. That's the other good thing about bibliographies.
Speaker 2: They help you expand the hunt. I like reading bibliographies.
Speaker 2: They tend to buy the books in the bibliographies because
Speaker 2: there the sauces.
Speaker 3: All right, You've got way too many titles for us
Speaker 3: to say them all here. However, can you go down
Speaker 3: the list of specifically bigfoot stuff, tell people what you've
Speaker 3: written on the subject of bigfoot sasquatch giants and where
Speaker 3: people can find them, and I will certainly link to
Speaker 3: it in the show notes so everybody can pick them up.
Speaker 2: Okay. I have written quite a few books on monsters
Speaker 2: of the East Coast, North America, North coast, South coast,
Speaker 2: West Coast. I eventually found that was eighteen hundred pages
Speaker 2: of different monsters and bigfoots, et cetera. And then I
Speaker 2: decided to tidy up the bigfoots into the Amazing Bigfoot
Speaker 2: Encounters of the US. It's twenty and three hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty one pages in nine volumes, with maps. I like maps.
Speaker 2: You can see in maps everything that's happened where they are.
Speaker 2: The fourho one Lost People maps for the same. The
Speaker 2: area where they are. It is basically desert, no trees
Speaker 2: and open areas. You're not going to get me bigfoots
Speaker 2: there giants if you want to look at giant remains
Speaker 2: in more detail. I got a lovely fat book. We
Speaker 2: only trouble with writing sandy books, as I forget their names.
Speaker 2: Is See Atlas The Strange and Mysterious Archaeology of North America.
Speaker 2: It's state by state, county by county. It's designed say
Speaker 2: you can just head off and go to your state,
Speaker 2: go to your county, and look, good, God, what is
Speaker 2: in my neighborhood? Who gives you a lead to what
Speaker 2: you could find? But you've got to do for research
Speaker 2: to find out more about it. Oh, my books are roadmaps.
Speaker 2: They help you wander along to where you need to go.
Speaker 2: I've got another book I really love, and that is
Speaker 2: pre Columbian River Explorers of North America, which is a
Speaker 2: great lady your book. It's another fat thing as well.
Speaker 2: My book's are four fifty five hundred and six hundred
Speaker 2: pages on a had a lot of data in them.
Speaker 2: I have had auto maps and are collated all the
Speaker 2: anomalous architecture to do with rivers and lakes and coasts
Speaker 2: of North America. And I started up north at bath
Speaker 2: and Island, only a short skip and way from Guarded,
Speaker 2: the capital of Iceland, and headed along the coast and
Speaker 2: headed further down the coast, headed around Florida into the Bahamas,
Speaker 2: headed back up to Mississippi, headed up the Mississippi, up
Speaker 2: the Missouri, up the Ohio into the Great Lakes, and
Speaker 2: out through the Saint Lawrence Seaway. Then we headed down
Speaker 2: the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico, around Texas, shut
Speaker 2: around the California by New Mexico up to Canada. And
Speaker 2: that was the end of the book. I have maps
Speaker 2: in it that show where there remains of Viking remained,
Speaker 2: Roman remains, Celtic remains, Phoenician remains, room stones, many things.
Speaker 2: And then when you look at the geology at the
Speaker 2: area and climatic conditions at the time in that area.
Speaker 2: You start adding together a lot of archaeologists forget we
Speaker 2: have wet periods that last hundreds of years. We had
Speaker 2: dry periods at last hundreds of years. And the geology
Speaker 2: changes constantly and the climatology changes costly. Do you know
Speaker 2: that you could take a ship good sized Scandinavian noor
Speaker 2: sixty tons go to Lake Michigan via the Saint Lawrence River.
Speaker 2: It's just north of Chicago in the pluvial period of
Speaker 2: a medieval period Brandy period in Shorthand. You could virtually
Speaker 2: float that thing to the day Plains River. You've just
Speaker 2: been to the copper mines at Isla, Royale and Michigan,
Speaker 2: which are the biggest copper workings on earth that stopped
Speaker 2: in fifteen hundred BC at the end of the Iron
Speaker 2: Age in Europe. Interesting, and then you go straight down
Speaker 2: the day planes the Illinois to the Mississippi out they
Speaker 2: go for Mexico onto the Gulf Stream. Home in Europe
Speaker 2: in ancient times, rivers season lakes for the super highways
Speaker 2: too hard to carry, break over mountains and rocks and
Speaker 2: things just go up a river interesting. You get to
Speaker 2: stand points of rivers in North America and multiple remains
Speaker 2: of different cultures because they're trying to forward a waterfall
Speaker 2: or something like that. They're all in the book. If
Speaker 2: it be ad. I had to go through ancient mats
Speaker 2: to try and find where some of these rivers went to,
Speaker 2: and they went there in the medieval period. The lakes
Speaker 2: in Minnesota were enormous, the same in Canada. You'd float
Speaker 2: almost anywhere and we know what we're found. So so
Speaker 2: that's just one example. But it's fun looking at the
Speaker 2: mats and where things go. I'm working on doing a
Speaker 2: spoken book on it, but my voice dies after an hour.
Speaker 2: Everything's a challenge. Very true.
Speaker 3: Definitely one of the most interesting conversations I've had in
Speaker 3: quite a while.
Speaker 4: George.
Speaker 3: I cannot thank you for sharing all of your knowledge
Speaker 3: experience in the books. You guys, go out and pick
Speaker 3: up George's books. Go buy all one hundred and forty.
Speaker 3: I will link to George's books on Amazon. You guys,
Speaker 3: click the link, go pick them up. George, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for taking the time to come on. I've
Speaker 3: had a blast talking to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the experience to be on. Please thank
Speaker 2: Leilah who recommended you. She's a wonderful woman. Just a
Speaker 2: word of warning to people. My books aren't written for intellectuals.
Speaker 2: I don't like intellectuals. I want the average person to
Speaker 2: understand my books and enjoy them, because that's sort of
Speaker 2: knowledge has been hit by the intellectuals. We're letting it out,
Speaker 2: we're letting it on the ass, so to say.
Speaker 5: They say, you don't have to go home, but you
Speaker 5: can't stay.
Speaker 6: Stay inside step steps, inside.
Speaker 7: Steps, chart, this child, that chart, Everything came right back,
Speaker 7: right back.
Speaker 5: Joy for me, Joy, stay right there, you come in
Speaker 5: right away.
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