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<v Speaker 1>This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera on

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<v Speaker 2>Thank good afternoon, everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve Roberta with me today is.

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<v Speaker 4>My other kind of co hosts like Biager from Southern

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<v Speaker 4>Areason a sports tourism in film authority. I love that

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<v Speaker 4>when you start saying my name, the music just tends

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<v Speaker 4>to get a little louder.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just kind of made the mistick.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought we should just let everybody know that you're

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<v Speaker 4>doing two different things. I mean, Steve's in full multitasking

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<v Speaker 4>mode right now. Don't confuse me. I have a D

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<v Speaker 4>d ADHD or whatever these you want. Hey, are you

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<v Speaker 4>over the hangover from WBC? Uh No, but not. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean listen, it was It's great. I'm I'm, I'm I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I'm starting to get like six hours of

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<v Speaker 4>sleep maybe at best, which a lot of people are like,

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<v Speaker 4>are you kidding me? I would kill for that, but

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<v Speaker 4>like working on two to three hours at this point,

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<v Speaker 4>so trying to get there.

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<v Speaker 2>Does your your wife love you?

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<v Speaker 5>Did she? Leave me.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't leave me. She still loves I was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go with that. Does she love you?

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<v Speaker 3>She still loves So you see her more than you

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<v Speaker 3>did before when you're working twenty four hours? Oay, well

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<v Speaker 3>did you work that much? Did I mean she saw

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<v Speaker 3>me at the field?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? Which I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I meant you girl, she's yeah, you out hit the coverage? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope so.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely, if you got to look at this, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>this mug every day? You know, so you're a good dude. No,

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<v Speaker 4>thanks that that that doesn't help that you just called

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<v Speaker 4>me ugly. Essentially, No, I didn't. I didn't disagree with you.

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<v Speaker 4>I just didn't disagree with you. Look at you. I

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<v Speaker 4>watch face for radio. Hey, we're on the radio for

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<v Speaker 4>a reason, right.

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<v Speaker 3>A bit a voice for radio and a face for newspapers.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have either, so thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 4>Well what's the newspaper for the internet?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey?

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<v Speaker 3>You know so, so we'll talk about the WBC at

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<v Speaker 3>some other point or you always here with me, so

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't really matter. Did you hear any scores today?

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<v Speaker 3>I've been busy with EL tour, press conferences and all

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<v Speaker 3>that good stuff. I saw that I think that i

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<v Speaker 3>Alowa State took care of took care of their opponent,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was Cincinnati, and then this afternoon's game.

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<v Speaker 2>What is this afternoon's game they have?

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<v Speaker 3>And then Arizona's future opponent is playing tonight I think.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, which was going to be either ucf ORNs.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right, So you see Texas is beating Vandy. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna have any breaking news. Let the kids do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Texas being vandyed as they should. Baylor plays tonight against

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<v Speaker 3>Kansas State or later today, so we'll see. We'll see

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<v Speaker 3>because if the winner of the Kansas game plays Arizona tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>At the late game, right, that's correct. You just call

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<v Speaker 2>up scores on ESPN.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Iowa State beat Cincinnati by twenty that I was

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<v Speaker 3>just damn good.

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<v Speaker 2>Ilay State's really good.

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<v Speaker 4>But the fall, you know, the cliffs for Cincinnati has

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<v Speaker 4>been dramatic.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, that's why.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what people when there's gonna play them in

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<v Speaker 3>West West Virginia. Remember they were ranked. Yeah, it's almost good.

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<v Speaker 3>They beat rankings. Don't believe the rankings. It's like that,

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<v Speaker 3>it was almost not in the rankings. They're not a

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<v Speaker 3>top twenty five team right now in the rankings, but

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<v Speaker 3>they are in the net pretty good.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So I talk about this on Monday, like you're going

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<v Speaker 4>into the attorney projected to be a four seed. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>to me, that matters more than being a top twenty

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<v Speaker 4>five without question.

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<v Speaker 3>Could you tell it to the crowd here, could you

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<v Speaker 3>speak to people in the back of the room as

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<v Speaker 3>they say, because that's true, you know you could. You're

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<v Speaker 3>one of the top twenty teams in the country. I

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<v Speaker 3>have no doubt about that. I do kind of am

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<v Speaker 3>skeptical bout the team from time to time, but they

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<v Speaker 3>are one of the best twenty teams in the country.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean what they did Ken Palm ratings on offense

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<v Speaker 4>and defense and everything, there were one of the like

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<v Speaker 4>nine top top yeah, top nine or something. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if the last couple of games, but yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean you're seeing Colorado beat West Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they did they want two to row now sixty

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<v Speaker 2>seven to sixty. That's wow.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty surprising. Wow, that is surprising. They're finding some

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<v Speaker 3>legs here.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So you've got Kansas Day and Baylor, like you said,

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<v Speaker 4>later today, and then you've got u c F in Kansas.

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<v Speaker 4>So I mean most likely, I mean, I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to project too much, but most likely we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>see Kansas again, right and then we I sorry, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 4>you could be a WEE. I'm a Homer.

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<v Speaker 5>You are we.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine. We you are WE.

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<v Speaker 3>You by tickets, you chair the team, you're one of

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<v Speaker 3>the guys that I think you know after yesterday's discussion

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<v Speaker 3>of Tommy talking about the crowd and the reason did

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<v Speaker 3>you see that kind of explaining is he's we said

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<v Speaker 3>he was right Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about Monday.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he kind of explained it to the press

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<v Speaker 3>converse to the people of the press commence yesterday and

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<v Speaker 3>he says, I want the guys to be better. I

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<v Speaker 3>was impressed with Kansas. Did I want our guys to

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<v Speaker 3>be that way?

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<v Speaker 7>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>The end? Right that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they said, what did I say that was wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>Because he didn't say anything that was wrong. It could

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<v Speaker 3>it could be better. Why can't I mean, why can't

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<v Speaker 3>we take constructive criticisms? Well, what did we talk about?

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<v Speaker 2>We are who we are.

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<v Speaker 5>We are just going to know who we are.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know who you are?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, It's it's like if I tell you, Steve, you

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<v Speaker 4>could have done this better. You tell me on your show, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>you should have said this. I'll be like, okay, I

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<v Speaker 4>should have said that, Like I'm going to make a

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<v Speaker 4>change if the head coach of the University of Arizona

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<v Speaker 4>men's basketball team says, hey, I need the crowd to

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<v Speaker 4>be better. We need to be better whatever that means

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<v Speaker 4>from an energy standpoint, We need to be better.

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<v Speaker 5>Though.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great, great way to put it. But you're

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<v Speaker 3>you're exact way. Don't don't be so loud on the radio, sir, Sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>and don't tell jokes. It's only what funny guy in

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<v Speaker 3>the room. Okay, I apologize. I did tell you the haircut.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell ye. So how's that going.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great, No, it's awful. Well, kenn Of, we tell

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<v Speaker 3>people we get a bad haircut over the week.

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<v Speaker 4>Haircut, but you know, Monday got a terrible, like the

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<v Speaker 4>worst haircut I've ever got in my life. I showed

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<v Speaker 4>it on the radio to you and Wan, and you

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<v Speaker 4>guys both laughed phythirically, and I think that's probably needed.

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<v Speaker 4>So I had breakfast this morning with my buddy Dallas Howell,

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<v Speaker 4>who's Jack How's son, and Andy Lopez, his son in law.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I was telling the story and I had

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<v Speaker 4>gone to his barber the last time, right, and as

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<v Speaker 4>Barbara did a great job. You don't have a regular one, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm getting to that, oh okay. So he's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>why didn't you go back to my barber? And I

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<v Speaker 4>said that I just I knew I had like thirty minutes, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So I just took the thirty minutes, got the worst

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<v Speaker 4>haircut I've ever got. And I told you she'd never

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<v Speaker 4>come my hair. No, she'd cut my hair three times.

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<v Speaker 4>I was wrong on that. Yeah. So I was telling

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<v Speaker 4>him about the story where I used to go to

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<v Speaker 4>two Sons, which is a barbershop in town. Great barbershop, yeap.

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<v Speaker 4>So I went to the one on the east side, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And so one time I was wearing a shirt from

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<v Speaker 4>Pop Cycle, which is a store on Fourth Avenue. Great store.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm getting my haircut, right, and it's not my

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<v Speaker 4>barber for the day, it's another guy that was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>I can take you now or you can wait forty

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<v Speaker 4>five minutes. I was like, just take me now. Didn't

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<v Speaker 4>speak like, didn't speak greade English, and that's on me,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I suld we should have gone full Spanish.

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<v Speaker 2>I could have done whatever I could possibly with that.

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<v Speaker 4>But so he's talking to me while he's fading me up,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't hear what he's saying. I only hear

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<v Speaker 4>something about my shirt and pop Cycle. Well, we had

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<v Speaker 4>been discussing my businesses, so he can he's he thought

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<v Speaker 4>I said I own pop Cycle. So he starts telling

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<v Speaker 4>everybody in the store, at everybody in the barbershop that

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<v Speaker 4>I owned pop Cycle, and I'm I don't correct them, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just go at the end of I go,

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<v Speaker 4>never go back there again. So I've never been back

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<v Speaker 4>because I think they they got own pop Cycle. So

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<v Speaker 4>there's another hair story for you. Well you got another

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<v Speaker 4>job assignment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go. That's funny. That's funny. So are

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<v Speaker 2>you not taking off your hat and all this time?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, for a month. It's this hat staying on. And

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<v Speaker 4>you can't overcorrect on the other side. You know, I

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<v Speaker 4>can't go I can't go the other way with my hair.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't look even worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, forgive me, father, I've sinned. I mean the booth

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<v Speaker 2>with the hat.

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<v Speaker 4>On, Yeah, I mean that's exactly what it is. You

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<v Speaker 4>get word baby everywhere you don't have a wedding to

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<v Speaker 4>go to.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't have it.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even care at this point if I go

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<v Speaker 4>to like you said, if I go to a funeral,

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<v Speaker 4>there's gonna be a hat on. I'm not taking off

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<v Speaker 4>in respect to the corpse. It's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I had one of those many years ago, many years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was like, oh god. It was I got

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<v Speaker 3>to go to a game and I kind of wore

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<v Speaker 3>it that way and I said, oh god, and people noticed.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't say anything, yeah, but they know. It was

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<v Speaker 3>like somebody sneezed, you know, when you and then you

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<v Speaker 3>kind of well, it's gonna be okay, don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it wasn't okay, and I worried about it. I

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<v Speaker 3>two mistakes.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the worst haircut I've ever got, And for

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<v Speaker 4>some reason, when I was in junior college, I thought

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<v Speaker 4>it'd be a great idea to color my hair red.

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<v Speaker 4>I look like just the worst human being alive. I

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<v Speaker 4>look like the scariest clown you can go wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just terrible. That's funny. That's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>over the dam show. Sorry, welcome everybody again. We've got

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<v Speaker 3>us at four four fifteen, four seventeen, and then we're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna have a friend of mine. He's a former coach

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<v Speaker 3>with Nolan Richardson back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>How they fixed it. I don't know much about the book.

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe talk about the state of the world. Because

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<v Speaker 3>he used to be a college college basketball coach. He

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<v Speaker 3>Went to Illinois and then came back. And I know

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<v Speaker 3>we'll let him fell us in with all the hoopla,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the friends of lout back in the day.

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<v Speaker 3>He passed away not too long ago as well. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's this is the best? Is this in your world?

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<v Speaker 3>And I know your world is baseball, but I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>you have more worlds. What's March mean to you? Is

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<v Speaker 3>it a fun time basketball wise? Is it better than

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<v Speaker 3>Super Bowl? Is it better than the World Series? What's

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<v Speaker 3>March madness?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's my second favorite time of year, next

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<v Speaker 4>to October. Yeah, I mean, you're right. I mean I'm

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<v Speaker 4>and anything does happen. It's just super exciting to show.

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<v Speaker 3>So a few years ago when Arizona did not make

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<v Speaker 3>the tournament, I think one whatever whatever tournament was, I

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<v Speaker 2>It was you think, oh, it's gonna be great.

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<v Speaker 3>You just sit there and watch games all over there

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<v Speaker 3>the sportsbook, but it was it was like you had

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<v Speaker 3>You have to keep up with what's going on. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if I want to do this. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>so much information. So just you talking about that gives

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<v Speaker 3>me anxiety. It was just crazy, crazy screens and scores

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<v Speaker 3>and ticker and you know I had to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I said, yeah, I'm not sure I'll do do this again.

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<v Speaker 4>But I did it. I mean, what's your what's your takeaway?

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<v Speaker 4>Like you say, you don't think you would ever do

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<v Speaker 4>that again. I did have to be with the guys,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. I went with a couple buddies, but it

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<v Speaker 4>was it was too much. I'd rather be out playing,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, things poker or something. But it was like,

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<v Speaker 4>holy crap, all these games and times and scores and

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<v Speaker 4>things like that. And I didn't even bet it, didn't

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<v Speaker 4>bet them, didn't care too. I just wanted to experience it.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>To experience because you know, if you're in Caesars or

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<v Speaker 3>wherever you're at yet forty big screens and all this information.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's wild. It was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It was cool. Which sportsbook did you go? Did you

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<v Speaker 2>go to Caesars?

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<v Speaker 3>I went to, Yeah, Caesar's and then uh, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of them MGM. Yeah, but you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>it is what it is, but it's it's everyone's crazy

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<v Speaker 3>over there because it's the best time of the year

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<v Speaker 3>for that first weekend of college basketball.

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<v Speaker 2>So many games.

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<v Speaker 4>You have a favorite going in to the NCAA Tournament,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you like somebody someone some team. I like Houston.

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<v Speaker 4>I just think I think where they're at, how gritty

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<v Speaker 4>they are. They find ways to win. I mean that's

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest thing. You look at them and how many

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<v Speaker 4>times have they been behind and they find a way

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<v Speaker 4>to win.

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<v Speaker 2>They clamp down.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it reminds me a lot kind of like the

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<v Speaker 4>Chiefs this year with Kansas City where they didn't blow

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<v Speaker 4>you away from game to game, right, but they found

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<v Speaker 4>a way to win what until until well until the

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<v Speaker 4>Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if you are you a Chiefs fan, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>So this was the issue with me and the Chiefs.

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<v Speaker 2>They did exactly what you said they did.

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<v Speaker 3>But at some point you're thinking, at some point they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to catch that team that's going to not allow

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<v Speaker 3>them to stay close. I'm not able to pull it off.

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<v Speaker 4>I just think you you have to give so much

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<v Speaker 4>credit to the Philadelphia the Eagles defense that was that

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<v Speaker 4>was incredible. Now, I you know, I grew up kind

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<v Speaker 4>of a Niners fan and I kind of morphed into

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<v Speaker 4>a Packers fan with my dad. But I play so

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<v Speaker 4>much fantasy football it's ridiculous. So now I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care about the team. Who's on the team.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you, now that I know you're a

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<v Speaker 3>big geek, what prompts you to do that with the

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<v Speaker 3>with the fantasy footbollster?

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<v Speaker 4>I have an excitement from a week to week. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm storting. I've I've played in and somebody's being the

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<v Speaker 4>second year I've played in this fantasy baseball league where

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<v Speaker 4>you give I don't know if you ever played in

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<v Speaker 4>the budget leagues where you have two hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 4>dollars a start and then you pay for players. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 4>I had to worry about that. I think it's exciting.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you kind of acted in the GM role.

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<v Speaker 4>But again, yeah, it's kind of nerdy. But I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I did it one year baseball wise, Yeah, and uh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a lot to do. You every day, it was

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<v Speaker 3>every day, it was like the screen. But that wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>my problem. My problem is I draft. I stayed loyal

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<v Speaker 3>to my draft because I'm a I'm a loyalist this.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a reason why I went after you. Now

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<v Speaker 3>you've got to perform. Yeah, and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>trade anything because it's too much work. One and then

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<v Speaker 3>two you're supposed to be good. That's why I got you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's never happened. That's why I sucked at it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you just did it for one year. I

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<v Speaker 2>did it for one year.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not good at this because I'm too loyal to

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<v Speaker 3>my people that I drafted. Yeah, he'sho, I are What

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<v Speaker 3>the hell you play fantasy football. No, no, yeah, yeah, Okay, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>Streaming live on the iHeartRadio app. This is I on

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<v Speaker 1>the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on

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<v Speaker 3>Pot Sports fourteen fifty I'm Steve Rivera. Now I to phone.

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<v Speaker 3>We have author and former college basketball coach Russ Bedford.

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<v Speaker 2>Russ haway. Can you hear me? Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 1>Russ?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, great, I can hear you. Good to hear you.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll be in Tucson pretty soon. Give us the title

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<v Speaker 3>of your book real quick.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, it's big Time, big Time, and Big Time is

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<v Speaker 7>a satire about sort of the elevated state of college

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<v Speaker 7>sports on American campuses.

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<v Speaker 3>You started writing this how long ago? Because you're exactly

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<v Speaker 3>right in the middle of it now.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, the funny thing is, Steve, I started writing Big

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<v Speaker 7>Time about ten years ago. On the entire time, I thought,

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<v Speaker 7>I've got to get this thing done before they put

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<v Speaker 7>college sports in perspective and start paying the coaches what

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<v Speaker 7>they pay the professors and not coming. But of course,

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<v Speaker 7>now with nil things are completely out of control and

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<v Speaker 7>we'll never get our universities back so, so.

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<v Speaker 3>What gave you the premise to do this, or not premise,

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<v Speaker 3>but the inspiration to do this.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, just I've worked. You know, I was a college

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<v Speaker 7>basketball coach, as you'll remember I was. I was an assistant.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he's on the road obviously, Yes, I can hear you.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think we're getting a weather. I'm driving through

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<v Speaker 7>West Texas, and I think he was giving us a

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<v Speaker 7>win advisory. H I was on the academic side of first,

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<v Speaker 7>I was on the college basketball assistant for Don Haskins

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<v Speaker 7>at UTAP for eight years and then Lou Henson at

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<v Speaker 7>New Mexico State and for six years and things, and

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<v Speaker 7>when I saw the stark difference between them, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>But the book is sort of poking fun and how

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<v Speaker 7>big college sports have gotten. But it's also poking fun

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<v Speaker 7>at the academics who have been so impotent and and

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<v Speaker 7>and they're sort of cooperation and allowing this to happen.

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<v Speaker 7>And so and I do think I've gotten where.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know what your politics are, Steven, I don't

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<v Speaker 7>want to talk about politics, but I've gotten where. I

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<v Speaker 7>think that that you know that that Stephen Colbert may

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<v Speaker 7>be a better news source than the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 7>and and that John Oliver may be a better news

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<v Speaker 7>source than NPR is there's something poking fun of things

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<v Speaker 7>and making fun of things where you're able to get

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<v Speaker 7>in a truth that serious writing is not able to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, sure, of course.

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<v Speaker 3>So did it take you all ten years or did

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<v Speaker 3>you kind of like because you've had some other books.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I worked on and off for a decade, and

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<v Speaker 7>so I didn't work in the entire ten years on it,

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<v Speaker 7>but but for quite a long while. And fiction is

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<v Speaker 7>a different animals, as you know. I've written books about

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<v Speaker 7>non fiction books. My most recent one before this was

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<v Speaker 7>about gun violence in the world of Chicago basketball. And

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<v Speaker 7>that's why I was at the Tucson Festival Books last time.

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<v Speaker 7>I was interviewed by Jim Rosboro, the long time Ludelsen assistant.

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, I didn't work on the entire time, but

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<v Speaker 7>I kept sort of mulling it over in my mind

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<v Speaker 7>and sort of the absurdity of what's happened on our campuses,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, in every well, for example, if your kid

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<v Speaker 7>goes to the University of Arizona, that I imagine the coach.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't have the numbers in front of me but

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<v Speaker 7>I imagine the basketball coach is making two million dollars

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<v Speaker 7>a year. You're goes to the University of Arizona or

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<v Speaker 7>your son, you know, they're never going to meet the

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<v Speaker 7>basketball coach a University of Arizona, but they're going to

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<v Speaker 7>get taught by by adjuncts and part time h instructors

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<v Speaker 7>their first few years that are completely underpaid and don't

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<v Speaker 7>have health insurance. And so I do think our universities

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<v Speaker 7>have been lost for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 7>It's different at the smaller colleges.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not.

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<v Speaker 7>That's not true at you know, it's not true at

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<v Speaker 7>Colorado College. It's not it's not true at at you know,

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<v Speaker 7>Point Loma in California and that kind of thing. But

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<v Speaker 7>it's true at the big schools at Arizona State, Arizona

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<v Speaker 7>what used to be the Pac ten. And we just

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<v Speaker 7>have a situation now that it's completely out of control

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<v Speaker 7>and I've just got where I thought the only thing

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<v Speaker 7>to do anymore was to make fun of it. It's

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<v Speaker 7>never going to go back to what it was before.

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<v Speaker 7>But but certainly, and it's not it's not we're only

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<v Speaker 7>just now that academics have taken a back seat. But

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<v Speaker 7>it's uh, but it's but it's that's what's happened. And

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<v Speaker 7>so what I did was, I imagine the university was

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<v Speaker 7>in trouble and they take a billion dollar buyout from

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<v Speaker 7>Coor's Beer, the brewing company, and Cores wants the school

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<v Speaker 7>renamed as Cores State University. So the entire book takes

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<v Speaker 7>place in Core State. But their stipulation is that we'll

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<v Speaker 7>give you the billion dollars you call it Cors State University.

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<v Speaker 7>But all the money has to go to football in basketball.

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<v Speaker 7>And so the professors that don't quit the university or

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<v Speaker 7>get fired, they wind up working, you know, for Course State,

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<v Speaker 7>they have to work for the football or basketball teams.

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<v Speaker 7>And so engineering is enlarging the stadiums, Women's Studies is

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<v Speaker 7>doing the players laundry. The mass department just statistics. The

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<v Speaker 7>Business department does the investments for the players and the coaches.

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<v Speaker 7>But these two old history professors who love the nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 7>they decide we're going to do like the nineteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 7>We're going to do campus protests. And you know, campus

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<v Speaker 7>protests of course are big in the news again for

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<v Speaker 7>a different reason. But they're going to do campus protests

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<v Speaker 7>and take their university back from the Brewing Company. But

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<v Speaker 7>of course everything goes wrong and it's far too late.

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<v Speaker 7>But anyway, I do think that sattire, you're able to

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<v Speaker 7>get a sort of a truth through humor that you're

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<v Speaker 7>not able to get at. You know, I think the

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<v Speaker 7>greatest book ever written about the greatest anti war book

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<v Speaker 7>ever written is Catch twenty two, and it's hilarious. And

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<v Speaker 7>I think no one would ever read Catch twenty two

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<v Speaker 7>and say I think I'll join the army or isn't

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<v Speaker 7>war a great thing? And I think in this case,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not trying to compare myself to Joe Heller or

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<v Speaker 7>Catch twenty two, but that was one of the models,

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<v Speaker 7>is by making fun of the situation, we could sort

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<v Speaker 7>of get it a larger truth.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, hey Russ, this is Blake. Thanks for being on

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<v Speaker 4>the show. Really appreciate it. You brought up something so

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<v Speaker 4>when we're talking about cors University that I think there

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<v Speaker 4>was a they tried to do that with the Colorado

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<v Speaker 4>School of Minds in Golden Colorado. Something similar in School

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<v Speaker 4>of Minds kind of shut that down. But what do

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<v Speaker 4>you see as in it might not be a solution,

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<v Speaker 4>but what do you see changing in the next five

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<v Speaker 4>to ten years with the current nil and the disparity

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<v Speaker 4>between and players and professors.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think I think our universities are lost. I

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<v Speaker 7>don't think you know in bike in nineteen thirty six, uh,

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<v Speaker 7>the University of Chicago was in the Big Ten conference.

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<v Speaker 7>If you can imagine University of Chicago in the Big

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<v Speaker 7>Ten and the Heisman Trophy winner. Uh. And by nineteen

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<v Speaker 7>thirty nine the president had decided and it was corrupting

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<v Speaker 7>the mission of the university. But now it's the boosters

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<v Speaker 7>that are running the universities and that they want they

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<v Speaker 7>want winning teams. I think what's likely to happen is

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<v Speaker 7>that I don't know what sense it makes to pay

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<v Speaker 7>that Tommy Lloyd, the Arizona coach. I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 7>see what sents it makes to pem. Sorry, I hope

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<v Speaker 7>he's not listening. I don't see what Senten makes to

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<v Speaker 7>pay him two or three million dollars. I think you

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<v Speaker 7>pay him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and then

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<v Speaker 7>give the money to the players. By the way, a

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<v Speaker 7>couple of things I want to point out. I'm in

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<v Speaker 7>favor of playing paying the players. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>especially you know, money is going into poor communities. It

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<v Speaker 7>wasn't before. But I think what will happen is it

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<v Speaker 7>could wind up like the NV where you know in

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<v Speaker 7>the old days and the Lakers Shaq and Kobe and

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<v Speaker 7>you know a few of the players are making way

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<v Speaker 7>more than the coach, and the coach might be making

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<v Speaker 7>more than a couple of guys on the end of

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<v Speaker 7>the bench. Because I don't understand the point of no

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<v Speaker 7>one's coming to watch Tommy Lloyd coach the team. They're

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<v Speaker 7>coming to watch great players. And there's there's very good coaches,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, they're there. You know, there's very good coaches

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<v Speaker 7>all through Arizona that could if you gave them five

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<v Speaker 7>million dollars, that could put together a good team. For example.

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<v Speaker 7>I think there's a lot of excitement about how Rick

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<v Speaker 7>Patino has really got Saint John's going. But the article

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<v Speaker 7>today in the New York Times was he's got five

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<v Speaker 7>million dollars that he's paying those kids, you know, And

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think that's any stroke of genius when you've

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<v Speaker 7>got five million dollars to pay the kids. So I

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<v Speaker 7>think what will happen is that the players will keep

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<v Speaker 7>getting paid, and the coaches will go on a reduced salary.

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<v Speaker 7>And also I think if you look behind most college

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<v Speaker 7>basketball benches, look on the bench at u C l A,

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<v Speaker 7>and they've got ten coaches, ten coaches, And I don't know,

636
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<v Speaker 7>why why not use that money to pay players? Why

637
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<v Speaker 7>not have you know, in the early days, when you know,

638
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<v Speaker 7>when when Loudolfsen first came to Arizona, he probably had

639
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<v Speaker 7>he probably had three assistant coaches and Josh Passner as

640
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<v Speaker 7>his as his student manager. And I think having ten

641
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<v Speaker 7>coaches is completely ridiculous. But by the way, I also

642
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<v Speaker 7>want to say, Blake, I'm part of the problem. So

643
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<v Speaker 7>when I'm criticizing this, I'm the color analyst on ESPN

644
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<v Speaker 7>Plus for New Mexico State home games, and now New

645
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<v Speaker 7>Mexico States are much more in perspective, I think our

646
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<v Speaker 7>coach is making three hundred seventy thousand a year. It's

647
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<v Speaker 7>much more reasonable than than paying him three point seventy

648
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<v Speaker 7>million like at a lot of schools, like at Arizona

649
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<v Speaker 7>State football coach.

650
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<v Speaker 2>And that kind of thing.

651
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<v Speaker 7>But I'm the television announcers. I'm I still love college basketball,

652
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<v Speaker 7>and I'm like the alcoholic who's walking by the bar,

653
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.839
<v Speaker 7>saying said Blake, and Steven said, think I'll just go

654
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<v Speaker 7>in and have one. I'll just go I'll just go

655
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<v Speaker 7>and have one. I'm going to have one or two

656
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<v Speaker 7>with Lake and Sy and so I And I think

657
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<v Speaker 7>that's part of the the That's why I think it'll

658
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<v Speaker 7>all continue. Is it at seven o'clock they throw up

659
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:06.839
<v Speaker 7>that ball and it's Arizona against you, It's Arizona against

660
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<v Speaker 7>Arizona State, or Arizona against UCLA or whoever's in their

661
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:13.480
<v Speaker 7>league Visa, and it's still a great game. Once once

662
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<v Speaker 7>he starts, you know, it's like it's like the diamond

663
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<v Speaker 7>ring on your wife's finger, Blake, is it? You know,

664
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<v Speaker 7>it's really you know, there's a lot of there's a

665
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<v Speaker 7>lot of blood and child labor and damaged environment behind

666
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<v Speaker 7>that diamond ring, but she's still a beautiful diamond ring.

667
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.599
<v Speaker 7>And if you I think it's the same with college basketballs.

668
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<v Speaker 7>Once the game starts, starts, I'm as excited as anybody

669
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<v Speaker 7>for the game, and it's still a great game.

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<v Speaker 3>Ross, brother Ross, So let me tell you you you

671
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<v Speaker 3>you you gave Tommy Lloyd a three million dollar discount

672
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<v Speaker 3>because he makes five.

673
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know, so that's that.

674
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<v Speaker 3>But do you are aren't you glad? Or are you

675
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<v Speaker 3>glad that you no longer coach?

676
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 7>Well, I mean I never made that kind of money

677
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<v Speaker 7>I think I made. I was making seventy thousand. I

678
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<v Speaker 7>think are seventy one thousand when I quit to become

679
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<v Speaker 7>a writer. And it took twenty years to get my

680
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<v Speaker 7>salary as a professor up to what I'd made as

681
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<v Speaker 7>the associate head coach for lou Henson. In some way,

682
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<v Speaker 7>in many ways, I am. I mean, I think my

683
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<v Speaker 7>strength as an assistant coach was I was a good

684
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<v Speaker 7>If I can pat myself on the back of anything,

685
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<v Speaker 7>I discovered Tim hardaway, and I was a good I

686
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<v Speaker 7>was a good evaluator of talent. And I think that

687
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<v Speaker 7>skill of evaluating talent is still going to be important,

688
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<v Speaker 7>because you know, if if Northern Arizona can get this

689
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<v Speaker 7>guy for forty thousand dollars and he's good enough to

690
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<v Speaker 7>play for Arizona and they've done a good job of

691
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<v Speaker 7>evaluating and then they'll get him. The problem now is

692
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<v Speaker 7>he'll you know, he'll dump it Northern Arizona as soon

693
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<v Speaker 7>as he's good enough. And the switching around of teams

694
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<v Speaker 7>is I think as much as anything as it's discouraging

695
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<v Speaker 7>to me because I don't think it's one thing to

696
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<v Speaker 7>pay the kids to have them switch schools every year.

697
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<v Speaker 7>They're not learning anything at all. And and I think

698
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<v Speaker 7>what sports is supposed to teach you. First supposed to

699
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<v Speaker 7>teach you how to fail, what do we do when

700
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<v Speaker 7>things go wrong? But it's supposed to teach you how

701
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<v Speaker 7>to sustain effort and sustain attention, and to be loyal

702
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<v Speaker 7>to your teammates and to develop camaraderie with your teammates.

703
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<v Speaker 7>There's some great things that sports does, but college basketball

704
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<v Speaker 7>has ruined it. And I also want to say, Blake,

705
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:18.880
<v Speaker 7>it's not the kids that have made the rules. It's

706
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<v Speaker 7>easy to say, aren't the kids all screwed up today

707
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.279
<v Speaker 7>and that kind of thing, But it's the grown ups

708
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<v Speaker 7>that made the rules. We've handed it. It's like putting,

709
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<v Speaker 7>you know, putting chocolate in front of your seven year

710
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<v Speaker 7>old daughter and saying, now, don't eat this. And I

711
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.200
<v Speaker 7>think that's what we've done to the kids, is that, Yeah,

712
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 7>the kids. I think the kids are sort of messed

713
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<v Speaker 7>up today because this is the world that we've presented

714
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<v Speaker 7>them with. It's not it's not that they didn't invent

715
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<v Speaker 7>this world.

716
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<v Speaker 6>He's governed his.

717
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:44.559
<v Speaker 7>Tommy Lloyd makes five million a years.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what you got out of that. Yeah, right, no question,

719
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know. I didn't know, right, right, So give

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<v Speaker 3>us an update real quick. You're coming in now over

721
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<v Speaker 3>the weekend. Will where will you be Saturday? And will

722
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<v Speaker 3>you be here Sunday?

723
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<v Speaker 7>Well, I'm here Saturday and Sunday. I don't have the

724
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<v Speaker 7>schedule in front of me, but let me I'm still

725
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<v Speaker 7>I can do it from memory. On Saturday, it's a

726
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:09.720
<v Speaker 7>two pm it's at the Integrated Learning Center whatever that means.

727
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.039
<v Speaker 7>Two pm at the Integrated Learning Center. And I'm with

728
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<v Speaker 7>a couple other writers Lewis Moore wrote the book about

729
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:18.319
<v Speaker 7>Doug Williams and Keith O'Brien. Keith O'Brien who wrote a

730
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<v Speaker 7>book that I can't remember. So that's Saturday at too,

731
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<v Speaker 7>And it's a it's a panel like that's what I

732
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.759
<v Speaker 7>did with Jim Rosborough last time. A different different writers

733
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Speaker 7>were with me. But it's a panel about about the

734
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.680
<v Speaker 7>place of college sports and out writing about sports. Because

735
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:35.519
<v Speaker 7>you know, in my book in Big Time, in this satire,

736
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.200
<v Speaker 7>there's only there's two pages of actual sports in the book,

737
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<v Speaker 7>and the rest of it is the wacky craziness of it.

738
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.000
<v Speaker 7>And for me it was always the stories that are

739
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:48.720
<v Speaker 7>more interesting than the actual games themselves. Like I'm not

740
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.319
<v Speaker 7>that interested in I'm not that interested in I'm not

741
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.039
<v Speaker 7>that interested in the games, But I'm interested in OG's.

742
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 7>You know that this guy's mother died of cancer and

743
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 7>he played that very same even that's much more interesting,

744
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.480
<v Speaker 7>you know, after working for Lou Henson and Don Haskins

745
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:04.039
<v Speaker 7>for all that time, I don't know if I could

746
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:06.640
<v Speaker 7>drop a single play of Lou Henson's, but I've got

747
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.960
<v Speaker 7>some good stories about them anyway. So that's Saturday at too,

748
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.720
<v Speaker 7>and then Sunday in the same room, it's at ten am.

749
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<v Speaker 7>And and that's with Jack McCallum, the Great. I mean,

750
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<v Speaker 7>you know, I hate, I hate. I think the word

751
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:21.640
<v Speaker 7>of legendary gets thrown around too much. But he had

752
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.440
<v Speaker 7>a long time sportsvilly. He's sports illustrated, I think for

753
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:28.440
<v Speaker 7>forty years. Jack McCallum and a man named uh.

754
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<v Speaker 2>Head Doll.

755
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 7>But I can't think of his first name, be righteous,

756
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.240
<v Speaker 7>Why I should I'm kicking myself.

757
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:38.079
<v Speaker 3>Yes, In fact, we have his brother lives here and

758
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 3>he's I guess from Jersey and he's coming in. So

759
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<v Speaker 3>we had a we had an author, Yester, you talk

760
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:44.720
<v Speaker 3>about stuff like that. So yeah, that's interesting. So I've

761
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:46.319
<v Speaker 3>got to go Sunday Sunday at ten.

762
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<v Speaker 7>Right, Sunday at ten, you skip church, like or Steve whoever, I.

763
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<v Speaker 5>Can't tell he's talking about you. You're good. Yeah, but.

764
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:58.319
<v Speaker 7>You guys skip church and come and come, come and see. Yes,

765
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.440
<v Speaker 7>it'll be Jack McCallum, and sure it's your haggall who

766
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:04.599
<v Speaker 7>I guess maybe the premier writer of women about women's that,

767
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.880
<v Speaker 7>one of the premier writers of women's basketball. So I've read.

768
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:09.519
<v Speaker 7>I've read one of his books, and i've read you

769
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 7>actually read. I've finished Jack McCallum's novel called foul Lines,

770
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.360
<v Speaker 7>which is it's sort of I wish I had read

771
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:18.320
<v Speaker 7>it before I wrote Big Time because foul Lines is

772
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.119
<v Speaker 7>very funny. It's about a pro basketball team and the

773
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.920
<v Speaker 7>sort of the wacky stuff in pro basketball. Anyway, the

774
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 7>Tucson Book Festival, if you still believe in books like

775
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.679
<v Speaker 7>I do, and you're still in prison in stories, the

776
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:33.280
<v Speaker 7>Tucson Festival Books is a great one, great great well.

777
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen you since the last time you were here.

778
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.119
<v Speaker 3>We had you on the show maybe three four years

779
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.000
<v Speaker 3>ago with roz so Russ.

780
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<v Speaker 2>We'll see you this weekend. Thanks for being part of.

781
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<v Speaker 7>Us perfect no Cats, bear down or whatever you guys do.

782
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<v Speaker 2>You nailed it. You know you got it.

783
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<v Speaker 7>Thanks, roll right go silver boats of course State thankfully.

784
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<v Speaker 3>Out there Texas that went out there this seven years crazy. Okay, No,

785
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.320
<v Speaker 3>thanks for joining us, Yes, thank you. Uh interesting stuff.

786
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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you this and just think about this.

787
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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, oh no, oh college sports. You played college sports.

788
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<v Speaker 3>What is the reason why you play? I mean you

789
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<v Speaker 3>want to play, But don't answer this because he talked

790
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.480
<v Speaker 3>about you learn to lose ya YadA, you know, play teammates. Plus,

791
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<v Speaker 3>I'll ask you on the other side, if you're an

792
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.039
<v Speaker 3>Arizona men's basketball fan, you know it's been successful for

793
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<v Speaker 3>nearly forty years.

794
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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Take a look back at the Ludolsen era in my

796
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<v Speaker 3>new book, Lessons from Lout It was a labor of

797
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<v Speaker 3>love through the eyes of twenty five former players, coaches,

798
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<v Speaker 3>and friends to give insight to the coach and the

799
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<v Speaker 3>man who led them, competed against them, and inspired them.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty five chapters for his twenty five years as Arizona's

801
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<v Speaker 3>beloved coach. Lessons from Lut is an insight to how

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<v Speaker 3>he built the program into a national powerhouse. Want one,

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<v Speaker 3>email me at Steve dot RIVERA ninety five at gmail dot.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, welcome back to il the ball here on Fox

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<v Speaker 3>Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera and with me it

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<v Speaker 3>is Blake Eager. And that's a fun quick call.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>He talked really driving through a tornado and West Texans

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get through this conversation as fast as he could.

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<v Speaker 3>Russ Bradberg, Brad Bird, He's going to have a book

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<v Speaker 3>out there, big, big time. Yeah. So if you're interested enough,

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<v Speaker 3>it's an interesting book. It's all fictional, but I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of truth.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's what he was trying to say, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So there's truth and just yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so I was talking about teamwork and and and

869
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:05.039
<v Speaker 3>learning stuff. So what when you what did what did

870
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:06.920
<v Speaker 3>you learn playing college ball?

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<v Speaker 5>Are you talking experience or on the field?

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00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:10.400
<v Speaker 8>Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>Both.

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00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.679
<v Speaker 4>I think it gave you. Like I mean, we had

875
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<v Speaker 4>to learn how to balance your time, keep a schedule.

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00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:19.920
<v Speaker 4>You had to deal with failure. At the same point,

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<v Speaker 4>you had to learn how to deal with different people

878
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:22.719
<v Speaker 4>in a working environment.

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00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, A lot like life. It taught you.

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00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 4>How to deal with life. It prepared you for life

881
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:30.079
<v Speaker 4>before you got into life.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think you learned more that way than you

883
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.360
<v Speaker 3>did in class, because you don't. You learn what you

884
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:39.239
<v Speaker 3>learn in class, right, Yeah, but you get it's like algebra. Yeah,

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00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I've ever used algaebra since I

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<v Speaker 3>used Elaiebroth twenty thousand years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just not that smart, so I probably could have.

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<v Speaker 4>I just don't know how to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, denominator, denominator. If you go into frash, I'm lost.

891
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:52.079
<v Speaker 2>I'll leave right now. But you know my point.

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<v Speaker 3>He talked about defeat and also I think one of

893
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 3>the biggest things you learned how to.

894
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:56.280
<v Speaker 5>Be a teammate.

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00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:00.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we were ha this conversation earlier. I think in

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<v Speaker 4>today's society, and I don't want to be the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>speaking from an older point of view and trying to

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<v Speaker 4>sound wise, I think the coddling aspect of today's youth

899
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:12.480
<v Speaker 4>athletes from a parent standpoint, is far greater. We call

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<v Speaker 4>them helicopter I was just going to say, it's far

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<v Speaker 4>greater than we ever knew growing up. Right, it was

902
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<v Speaker 4>pretty much like, Hey, I'm going to see you later.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll see you tonight at you know, eight pm or

904
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.360
<v Speaker 4>whenever the lights are go down, right, and we're playing

905
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:26.800
<v Speaker 4>tackle football and asphalt. But that's you get into you

906
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:30.039
<v Speaker 4>get into collegiate sports, You're you want to fail to

907
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<v Speaker 4>some degree because you want to learn from it, right,

908
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<v Speaker 4>So you want to get punched in the face to

909
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<v Speaker 4>understand the way it motivates you too.

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<v Speaker 2>It motivates you.

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<v Speaker 4>I think in today's society, we're so scared of letting

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<v Speaker 4>our children fail, and there's creating a safety net that

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<v Speaker 4>we just never It's going to be interesting to see

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<v Speaker 4>what the next twenty years looks like.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you're you're much younger than me, and it's funny

916
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:53.559
<v Speaker 3>that you say this because you're part of that coddle generation,

917
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.000
<v Speaker 3>maybe just not close to that. But you My son

918
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<v Speaker 3>my oldest than me, thirty, and I know, I know

919
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<v Speaker 3>I didn't do this with him, uh and my both

920
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:04.280
<v Speaker 3>of my sons. But I saw parents that did with

921
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.840
<v Speaker 3>their kids. And you say you can't be there when

922
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.079
<v Speaker 3>they fall. You just can't all the time. And in fact,

923
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:11.679
<v Speaker 3>they like to fall, they like to get scarred up

924
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 3>or you know, it's maybe not like but they know

925
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<v Speaker 3>how to Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I know they know how to survive that. Kids are resilient, right,

927
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:20.480
<v Speaker 4>They're going to figure it out if you know them,

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<v Speaker 4>especially mom, don't do that. Yeah, get away from especially

929
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<v Speaker 4>with my friends are around. Yeah, I have, I have,

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<v Speaker 4>I have a boogirl, I don't get don't wipe it, mom,

931
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<v Speaker 4>don't you know that. Don't don't da let me alone.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, I love you, but stay over there.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I just I think you're learning these lessons as we go.

935
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<v Speaker 4>So you're seeing guys that fail at certain spots, and

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<v Speaker 4>the NIL just emphasize that a little bit more where

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<v Speaker 4>they're not willing to come back and put the time

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<v Speaker 4>into that program. They want to know that they're going

939
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<v Speaker 4>to have guaranteed playing time.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me ask you something. I've said this in something.

941
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.400
<v Speaker 3>I used to be a halfway decent athlete, and I've

942
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.039
<v Speaker 3>said this for a thousand times. The only way I

943
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<v Speaker 3>got better just get him my ass kicked. Oh yeah,

944
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 3>because one it motivated me, and it made me want

945
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:07.559
<v Speaker 3>to play better. You know, I played you know, whatever sport.

946
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:09.480
<v Speaker 3>But you know what I'm saying, If I win every game,

947
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 3>what the hell fun is that?

948
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<v Speaker 2>But I'm sure like you, I mean, you lost.

949
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.599
<v Speaker 3>He said, Okay, you gotta do this differently next time, YadA, YadA,

950
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<v Speaker 3>and he made you a better ball player.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I you know, I always had an

952
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:21.559
<v Speaker 4>few mentality so I wanted you to give me the

953
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 4>ball and get out of the way and I'll figure

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<v Speaker 4>it out from there. But I mean I went through

955
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<v Speaker 4>you know, I didn't get recruited out of high school.

956
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<v Speaker 4>I had to walk on eightiestern Arizona, so we had

957
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<v Speaker 4>to prove it. I was the last person. I literally

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<v Speaker 4>made the team because somebody got arrested like two days

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<v Speaker 4>before you said this, right, So, so I knew that

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<v Speaker 4>my window I had to do whatever I possibly could

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<v Speaker 4>to keep my window open. So when I got drafted

962
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<v Speaker 4>a night and I showed up to Port Saint Lucie

963
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:46.760
<v Speaker 4>and they were like, we don't even know where you're going.

964
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<v Speaker 4>I was like, that's fine, I'm here, That's all that matters. Yeah,

965
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<v Speaker 4>and I'm supposed to be that. I'm supposed to be here, right,

966
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<v Speaker 4>And that's what you need to do. You need to

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<v Speaker 4>act that part because you had to believe that part right.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, because if you don't, you dell eat in

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<v Speaker 3>live one and they'll notice that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's signs of weakness, there's blood in

971
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<v Speaker 5>the water. Whatever you want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there a point were you with me? Were you

973
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<v Speaker 2>the guy know? Uh, somebody else?

974
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<v Speaker 8>Oh?

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00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:08.679
<v Speaker 3>I was with one of my other buddies who's probably

976
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<v Speaker 3>listening right now. Where you get somewhere and you played

977
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.840
<v Speaker 3>college ball and you went to another college that you said, Oh,

978
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.239
<v Speaker 3>these guys are different, these dudes are different.

979
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

980
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:24.880
<v Speaker 2>When I when I got to double all time, it's

981
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 2>not coming up. You're on there and the wall.

982
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:32.360
<v Speaker 6>How you doing it's Jim, Jim?

983
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.760
<v Speaker 2>How are you doing pretty good? How are you? We're fine?

984
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Thank you? Long time, no talk yeah.

985
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<v Speaker 6>You know, along the lines of what you guys are

986
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:49.519
<v Speaker 6>talking about now, it's uh there. It's a process to

987
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:54.519
<v Speaker 6>learn how to fail. And even at the little league level,

988
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.679
<v Speaker 6>where I coached for several years, you know, I would

989
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:03.480
<v Speaker 6>end up in a discussion with moms usually, you know,

990
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:08.880
<v Speaker 6>they're a little more closely guarded guarding their their kids,

991
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<v Speaker 6>and I would just tell them, you know, you hate

992
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.599
<v Speaker 6>to see your kids fall down. You hate to see it,

993
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:21.239
<v Speaker 6>but you love to see them get back up. And

994
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 6>that's what it's about, is teaching them how to fail

995
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.039
<v Speaker 6>and then come back from that and succeed.

996
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:28.639
<v Speaker 2>Right.

997
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.440
<v Speaker 3>You remember that time I fell down and it was okay,

998
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:33.679
<v Speaker 3>and you say, yeah, yeah, now went champion.

999
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely.

1000
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1001
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.719
<v Speaker 6>Well I'm using that as a metaphor. I mean, you know,

1002
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<v Speaker 6>you get your butt chewed out on the field once

1003
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<v Speaker 6>in a career, maybe for doing something that just totally

1004
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<v Speaker 6>violates everything he learned or been taught, and once in

1005
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<v Speaker 6>a while you have to put up with a little

1006
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:58.559
<v Speaker 6>heat to get there.

1007
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 3>Right, right, Okay, anything else, Jim.

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00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:06.880
<v Speaker 6>No, I don't have much today. Just called because you

1009
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<v Speaker 6>told me.

1010
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.599
<v Speaker 3>To, because you try to you know, you said you

1011
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:11.440
<v Speaker 3>were trying to get in but you didn't know because

1012
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:12.920
<v Speaker 3>you wanted to know who the last guy was.

1013
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:16.280
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to know who the writer was.

1014
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:18.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, yeah, sorry. I didn't mention his name enough,

1015
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:20.199
<v Speaker 3>probably when he was talking, because I didn't.

1016
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:22.400
<v Speaker 2>He talk so much.

1017
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.920
<v Speaker 6>I told Jay that it would be great if you

1018
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:28.760
<v Speaker 6>guys would mention the whole the guest's name right at

1019
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.280
<v Speaker 6>the end of the interview, because you know a lot

1020
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.679
<v Speaker 6>of people are driving around in cars and you don't

1021
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:35.320
<v Speaker 6>get to hear all.

1022
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a rookie at testing. I'm a rookie.

1023
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:38.519
<v Speaker 5>My bad.

1024
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:42.480
<v Speaker 3>See that's constructive criticism and learned from it. I'll forget

1025
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:46.119
<v Speaker 3>about it tomorrow. So thanks Jim. Thanks good to hear

1026
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<v Speaker 3>from you.

1027
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:49.960
<v Speaker 5>Please, thanks, bye bye, Jim.

1028
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:55.360
<v Speaker 3>Uh So he's accurate, right, Uh, you have a story

1029
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:58.480
<v Speaker 3>that motivated you, like I'm sure you do, like some

1030
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 3>I remember, like you were asking me, when did I notice, right, like,

1031
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:06.079
<v Speaker 3>the people I played with were a little bit different.

1032
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:08.519
<v Speaker 4>So, I mean it was probably when I got to

1033
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:13.000
<v Speaker 4>double a my first start. The game was so slow

1034
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.360
<v Speaker 4>comparatively what it was because guys were just so much

1035
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:19.440
<v Speaker 4>more season they knew what they were doing. But are Honestly,

1036
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<v Speaker 4>the first time I saw hunterd Pens take batting practice,

1037
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.400
<v Speaker 4>was like, this is a different role.

1038
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:24.559
<v Speaker 5>This guy's in a different world.

1039
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Do I belong here? What did you think?

1040
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:28.480
<v Speaker 4>I was fine with it, Like I remember throwing him

1041
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:30.920
<v Speaker 4>with curveball at that point, which was unhittable, I thought,

1042
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:32.519
<v Speaker 4>and he took it to the warning track and I

1043
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:34.880
<v Speaker 4>was like, Okay, yeah, I'm gonna have to face these

1044
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.079
<v Speaker 4>guys quite a bit, so we'll see what happens. But

1045
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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's it's crazy and to speak to Jim's

1046
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:41.199
<v Speaker 4>point a little bit and the little league mentality and

1047
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<v Speaker 4>we'll call it little league for you U sports. I

1048
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.880
<v Speaker 4>think parents are finding a way to create a fail

1049
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<v Speaker 4>safe for their kids by blaming either the coach, referees

1050
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:51.440
<v Speaker 4>or the umpires. And we talked about it. It's hard

1051
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:54.320
<v Speaker 4>to take critical, you know, criticism, but it's hard to

1052
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.480
<v Speaker 4>look at ourselves and say maybe it was our fault.

1053
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<v Speaker 2>So right that happens to be Blake Eager, my co

1054
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<v Speaker 2>host today.

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<v Speaker 5>That I learned any bad letters you want to write

1056
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:05.000
<v Speaker 5>make him out to Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>No No, but you're right.

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00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:07.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean I've had a number of coaches in here

1059
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.280
<v Speaker 3>and say the same thing, and everyone hasn't answer right,

1060
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:11.719
<v Speaker 3>But that's let them fail.

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00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:14.639
<v Speaker 2>They'll come back. Don't worry. They're there. What'd you say?

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00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:15.840
<v Speaker 5>They're brilliant, resilient.

1063
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:16.599
<v Speaker 2>They are.

1064
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.360
<v Speaker 3>It's like kids when they go through divorce. Kids are

1065
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:21.679
<v Speaker 3>smarter than you know. We're not going to stay together

1066
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.519
<v Speaker 3>because the kids are saying, mom, dad, just get divorce.

1067
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:24.800
<v Speaker 2>We alred.

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00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:26.039
<v Speaker 4>You know, you can just hit each other. Yeah, and

1069
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:28.719
<v Speaker 4>it makes for not a great home environment when you

1070
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:29.440
<v Speaker 4>try to make that.

1071
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:30.920
<v Speaker 2>When when you fake it, yeah right.

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00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:32.440
<v Speaker 4>I mean I grew up with a buddy that his

1073
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:35.000
<v Speaker 4>parents were essentially roommates for his whole life. While he's

1074
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.519
<v Speaker 4>living there, and he's like, my dad's dating somebody. My

1075
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 4>mom's saying, but they think that.

1076
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:39.320
<v Speaker 5>We don't know.

1077
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:42.719
<v Speaker 4>It's like, just get different houses at this point, like

1078
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:44.880
<v Speaker 4>it's creating a weirder environment by staying together.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I won't name names on there.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, please do it.

1081
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I need my job. Yeah, I know.

1082
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:51.719
<v Speaker 3>Of course, we have about four or five minutes if

1083
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.679
<v Speaker 3>you want to call five, two zero, four, one, six,

1084
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:56.519
<v Speaker 3>seventy four or forty. We're kind of waxing poetic on life.

1085
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:57.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm solving the world's problems.

1086
00:47:58.239 --> 00:47:59.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean, see, let me ask you a question. So

1087
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:02.239
<v Speaker 4>you've been in this You've been in this position for

1088
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:06.719
<v Speaker 4>so long. You've seen transitional phases through sports, through parents,

1089
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.320
<v Speaker 4>through life. Like what at the end of the day,

1090
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 4>where we stand right now, how confident do you feel

1091
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:17.119
<v Speaker 4>in youth sports and creating quality young adults in the

1092
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:17.840
<v Speaker 4>next twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a good question.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't follow the youth sports like I used to,

1095
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:24.400
<v Speaker 3>but let me tell you, I get this question a lot.

1096
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:30.360
<v Speaker 3>I had the training Fries, the Luke Waltons, There's been

1097
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 3>a number of them, totally totally and they say, Steve,

1098
00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:36.719
<v Speaker 3>what's the difference between the guy that's petulant and the

1099
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:38.280
<v Speaker 3>pain of the ask when you cover them? You know,

1100
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:40.159
<v Speaker 3>they know it all blah blah blah. And the good

1101
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.960
<v Speaker 3>dudes who give you time don't speak I little bit, buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Their parents. Yeah, but they have good parents. They've raised

1103
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:49.880
<v Speaker 3>them well to be respectful and to you know, talk

1104
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.719
<v Speaker 3>to you like a human being. You're not below them,

1105
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:56.119
<v Speaker 3>you parents, You're already you right away if you have

1106
00:48:56.199 --> 00:49:00.599
<v Speaker 3>good parents. And that's in life too. Good students, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean you can also you can also kind of point

1108
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:05.679
<v Speaker 4>out the Eddie Haskells of the road world too, where

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00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 4>You're like, this isn't the real view, right right?

1110
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:11.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but here here's the funny thing. They think that

1111
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.000
<v Speaker 3>that's the real view. Yeah, hey, hey, I bought you

1112
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.079
<v Speaker 3>so I bought you a drink today. You know, I

1113
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:18.159
<v Speaker 3>hope you do a good job. Just do your job.

1114
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:21.360
<v Speaker 3>Just do your job, show up, do your job. And

1115
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.920
<v Speaker 3>that's always it's not brain surgery, Belichick. That's why I

1116
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:25.400
<v Speaker 3>get to do this. It's not brain If it was

1117
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:27.280
<v Speaker 3>brain surgery, I wouldn't be able to do this. Yeah,

1118
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.719
<v Speaker 3>it's pretty simple. You could try.

1119
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 2>Do you want to be the.

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<v Speaker 4>Pat I don't want a love botomy at this point

1121
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:36.519
<v Speaker 4>in my life. So yeah, I just thought it's it's

1122
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.360
<v Speaker 4>interesting to know and and kind of take a step

1123
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:42.000
<v Speaker 4>back and look at you know. I always we're scared

1124
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:43.519
<v Speaker 4>of what's going to happen in the future and how

1125
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.440
<v Speaker 4>things are going. But I think everybody in the last

1126
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:50.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, one hundred years have probably said that same

1127
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.880
<v Speaker 4>thing about the other generation coming up, and that same

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<v Speaker 4>thing about the other generation coming up. But I do

1129
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.000
<v Speaker 4>think it's going to be a little bit different for

1130
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:00.559
<v Speaker 4>this when our when our youth care up at this

1131
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.400
<v Speaker 4>point to see how kind of everybody works out.

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<v Speaker 2>We got about a couple of minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>So did you in your in your exploits as an athlete,

1134
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:12.239
<v Speaker 3>did you see athletes that when they failed, they didn't recover?

1135
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:16.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, at different levels. I mean collegiate athletes who have

1136
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:19.440
<v Speaker 4>always been told I mean, you know, here's two great

1137
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:23.679
<v Speaker 4>UH analogies, right, so UH coach Andy Lopez would always

1138
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:25.760
<v Speaker 4>say this, he wants he wants a couple of ones,

1139
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:28.559
<v Speaker 4>which are you know? And then all three is no

1140
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:30.920
<v Speaker 4>number twos. So when you see number twos at the

1141
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:33.559
<v Speaker 4>collegiate level fail, they don't know how to recover. They're

1142
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:36.000
<v Speaker 4>done because there I think the truth is coming out, right,

1143
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.079
<v Speaker 4>You're not a number one. You've been found. You've been found,

1144
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:41.480
<v Speaker 4>and now you're just realizing yourself. So psychologically that's really

1145
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:44.760
<v Speaker 4>difficult to process. Good enough from the pro level, it

1146
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.800
<v Speaker 4>was more from an injury standpoint, like once you get

1147
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<v Speaker 4>injured multiple times, your your psyche completely changes.

1148
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<v Speaker 6>Right.

1149
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:53.840
<v Speaker 2>The confidence is what you because.

1150
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:55.800
<v Speaker 4>You you know you're not going to be healthy, so

1151
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:57.960
<v Speaker 4>you've got to fight through that, fight through that. That's

1152
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:00.639
<v Speaker 4>really the like the confidence level. When you fail at

1153
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:03.199
<v Speaker 4>the pro level, you grow as an adult, you mature,

1154
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:05.760
<v Speaker 4>you start to understand it, but the failure when it's

1155
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:09.079
<v Speaker 4>attached to an injury is a lot more difficult.

1156
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.559
<v Speaker 3>Sure, and it's tough to reinvent yourself too. I think

1157
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:14.639
<v Speaker 3>failure you can kind of find a way to, you know,

1158
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:17.239
<v Speaker 3>if you're a speedball guy, you can, you know, try

1159
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.320
<v Speaker 3>to find enough speed or a knuckleball, you know, you

1160
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:21.400
<v Speaker 3>find something else didn't to Who's the one that passed

1161
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.199
<v Speaker 3>away just reaching the knuckleball guy for Boston.

1162
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:25.360
<v Speaker 5>Tim Whitefield.

1163
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<v Speaker 3>Tim, he was that dude right then he changed he

1164
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.719
<v Speaker 3>hadn't changed his survival survival so he started throwing the knuckleball.

1165
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:30.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1166
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<v Speaker 4>How sad is that though? And his wife passed away

1167
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:36.079
<v Speaker 4>just months after. Yeah, sorry to be depressing, but that's.

1168
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:38.119
<v Speaker 2>A lot of love there, right.

1169
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But you know what I'm saying, you have to

1170
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.760
<v Speaker 3>find yourself again because if you're good at that level,

1171
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.159
<v Speaker 3>you're you're you're you have this chip on your shoulder

1172
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:48.079
<v Speaker 3>and you're your poop doesn't stink, and you can find

1173
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:49.719
<v Speaker 3>ways to be good.

1174
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:51.480
<v Speaker 4>When you're at that level. You're meant to be at

1175
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.039
<v Speaker 4>that level. Right, So but you're right, you're if let's

1176
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:57.960
<v Speaker 4>say you're you know, Vince Carter who still can jump

1177
00:51:57.960 --> 00:51:59.719
<v Speaker 4>out of the roof. Right, But you you've been known

1178
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:01.840
<v Speaker 4>for or for that, and you get to thirty six

1179
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:03.960
<v Speaker 4>years old and you can't jump like that anymore, how

1180
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:05.039
<v Speaker 4>are you going to recreit yourself?

1181
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:05.239
<v Speaker 5>Sure?

1182
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.639
<v Speaker 4>If Paul Pierce already you know, like Paul Pierce is

1183
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.280
<v Speaker 4>the world, you play like a seventy five year old

1184
00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:11.360
<v Speaker 4>man anyway on the court, so you never have to

1185
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:12.679
<v Speaker 4>change your game because it's already there.

1186
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.519
<v Speaker 3>It's like it's like Luca, oh, yeah, same thing. We

1187
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:17.079
<v Speaker 3>got to go okay by
