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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. I am here in my grandmother's wig

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and long dress with my butcher knife, and Jason is

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over here in his skin suit with everything nicely tucked.

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We are sitting down to a beautiful dinner of liver,

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farvar beans and a nice chiante. I can't wait to

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dive into this. We are back with the thirty something

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movie podcast. Guys again, We're jumping back into our conversation

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on the movies m Psycho and Silence of the Lambs. Okay,

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so what do you guys think is the best scene

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in the movie? You got to pick one scene? Is

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the best scene? What are you going to? Which one

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are you gonna pick?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go and Peter Lourie, Oh if something

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else go first?

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Speaker 3: Go ahead.

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Speaker 1: No, you already start a good book.

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Speaker 2: It breaks down.

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Speaker 4: He gets his lines at the end, and there's the

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big kind of if you want to call it a monologue.

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And I think the anguish and the torture of you

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presenting this problem of this is me. I have this issue.

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What are you going to do with it?

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Speaker 2: What do you know?

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Speaker 1: Like it?

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Speaker 4: I can't help it, and I think it's a pretty

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passionate throws people into it. You know, how do you

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deal with this problem now? Because you want to hate him,

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and we do, But at the same time, he's explaining

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that this is not my choice, this is something that

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I am sick, I am ill, and what do we

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do with the sick and ill in our society, especially

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when they're harming our children. It gives you that ethical

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dilemma to a certain degree where you don't feel necessarily

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I wouldn't say simply, well, would it be sympathy. Maybe

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it would be sympathy or empathy maybe a little bit.

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But I think that that scene it there where because

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now it's just you know, all along it's him, so

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there's no hiding of who done it. But now you

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get to hear him talk really for the first time,

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and what he says isn't like it's almost disarming to

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a certain degree for people with this kind of mock

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trial going on and what appears to be like a

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basement somewhere.

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Speaker 1: So I think all.

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Speaker 5: Three of these movies do a great job of adding

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a bit of sympathy for the bad guy.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: We feel bad that the kangaroo Courts about to pull

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this guy apart, you know, and Norm Bates we feel

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a little bit bad. This guy's got major issues, you know,

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he's got trouble. And then even Buffalo Bill, I'm like,

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this guy's messed up.

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Speaker 1: He yeah, I mean we'll get to we'll get to

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that in a minute. But that's not the best scene.

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But the scene where he's talking to her in the

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pit and he keeps trying to say, you know, it

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will put the lotion on, it will put the lotion on.

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Ted Levine does a fantastic job of showing you that

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he's having difficulty controlling the sadness he has for the

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creature that he's trying to kill. You know, he's trying

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to keep separate. You can see him struggling, and then

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you know the way he overcomes to that is to

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start screaming at her in a different.

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Speaker 2: Way, fighting the urges too.

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Speaker 4: They're they're battling their demons and you get to experience

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it through those exchanges, and in this one with them,

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it's it's again the whistling that never seems perfect. You know,

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it's not like he's whistling like the best whistling. And

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then there's the one scene where he's whistling and it's

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like almost an angry, frustrated like I can't control this,

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and he's whistling, and like you can feel the struggle

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of him trying to keep it at bay and keep

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those bad thoughts at bay, and he's struggling, and the

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whistling becomes you know, it's not like an enjoyable sinister whistle,

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you know, which which it maybe sort of feels like

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in the beginning, but then you start to seal it

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and see that it's just it's almost torture for him.

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Speaker 1: What he says is that he is tormented by the

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souls night and day, the tormented by his victims, tormented

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by the thoughts of their mothers, tormented always and forever

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except when he's doing it. The best scene for me.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if i'd call this the best scene,

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but maybe it's the plot device whatever.

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Speaker 1: I really like how you got the cops.

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Speaker 5: Who are like, listen, we got to find this guy

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right now, and then you got the under world who's like,

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we got to find this guy right now.

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Speaker 1: These cops are all over the place because of this guy,

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and we got to get rid of them, right Yeah,

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Speaker 5: It was, and it kept cutting back and forth between

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the meeting with the cops in the game.

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Speaker 4: Take a little of the of a Dark Night, where

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it's like the bad guys are having that meeting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, problem, you know.

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Speaker 1: This is exactly Yeah. It was much more enlightened than

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thirty one movie. I just was like, Wow, they're really

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talking about the struggle of the psychology of the murder

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of the child murderer. Here are we really exploring that?

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And then to leave it with the question unanswered of

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what do you do? Fritz Lang wants to say that

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you know that the point is to take better care

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of your kids, But I think the question is who's

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going to cast the first stone? I think that's what

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the question is, right. Do you put the mad dog

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down like the lady in the Kangaroo Court says you

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should do, or do you commit them to an asylum

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and try to care for him or I don't know.

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It's stuff. I watched it with my eighteen year old too,

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and she was like, this is one of the best

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movies I've ever seen. I was like, wow, this movie

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is ninety years old.

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Speaker 6: Well, I can't say, like what you just said like

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codifies it so well? Like what really hooked me into

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this movie? And I know we were talking about like

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a comparison to Jaws. This movie almost did for me

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what Jaws does. Where Yeah, it's about the shark and

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it's about an adventure on the ocean, but that's great,

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but it's also an exploration of humanity and not only

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with you know, in Jaws you have those three lead characters,

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you know, like each hitting the problem from a different aspect,

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but then it's also all about the townspeople and or

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the island people and how are they responding and the

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mayor how is he responding? And oh, well is the

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shark a big problem? Or hey, you know it can happen,

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but we're still going to go swimming and odds are

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will be okay. I had the same feels watching this movie,

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just seeing everybody react to what was happening, and I

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saw a lot of I heard and felt a lot

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of the same beats like well, I don't have kids,

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this doesn't affect me, or we all need to be

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in together. Well everyone's not in it together, guys. I

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think that was like the city planners and the government

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was like not everyone's going for the Hey, let's do

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this together. So how do we get people on board

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with this? And I mean it was like wow. So

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it was like less about the killer and catching the

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killer and more just watching everybody in society react and

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like you said, like that hit me like holy buckets.

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Speaker 7: Ninety ninety years old.

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Speaker 8: Favorite, I mean favorites for me is probably the one

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Dennis mentioned at the very end when he just they

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bring him into that court and he just starts to

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unleash and try to explain or just try to unburden

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his soul on you know why he's been knowing what

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he's doing. But if I'm going to pick a different one,

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I would go pick the scene where there's the kind

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of little old man and he's walking down the street

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and the little girl or the kid stops and asks

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what time it is, and all of a sudden, everybody

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starts crowding around, like why are you talking to this kid?

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my head watching this movie was the idea that it's

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ninety years old. This was nineteen thirty one and I'm thinking,

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this is nineteen thirty one and Germany. What is going

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on in the early nineteen thirties and Germany it's I

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don't even want to say the calm before the storm.

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It's the like despair before the storm of the Great

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and all the unemployment and just all of the absolute

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social studies class, was just the absolute desperation that led

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to the rise of the Nazi Party to replace the Reichstag.

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where you have this community that I'm sure in any

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other time these people wouldn't be jumping on each other

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at the first chance they get, but because of the

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despair and the paranoia and the just this creeping feeling

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that you can't you feel helpless to do anything about,

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you know, I think that kind of sums up what

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the people of Germany were feeling like during the Great

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just that scene to me as I'm watching it, and

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everybody starting to gang up on this man just because

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he told the little kid what time it was. I

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just I could not separate that. I could not divorce

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it from what was going on in this period in history.

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a major scene in the movie, like that one hit

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Speaker 4: It's not exactly the same thing. But when I think

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of twelve Angry Men, twelve Angry Men leaves you. As

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a kid, I remember going, but wait, did he get

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is he guilty? Was he not guilty? Asking my dad

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as probably like an eight year old at the time,

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or a ten year old, because my dad just saw

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that movie over and over and over and over again.

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that I wanted the answer, and then I realized as

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you grow older that it's the question that's more important

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than the answer. And then this I think it's the

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same thing. And to me, the question is what do

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you do with somebody who's mentally ill? Is it morally

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justified to kill them and execute them? Is it morally

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justified to put them in jail and take care of

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them and pay for them, you know, and keep them

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and try to keep them away from people. But what

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if he gets out the arms again? Are you now

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cupable because you allow?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 4: So it opens that whole big discussion and thought process

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of what do you do with the second society? The

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people are not well in our harmony others, and do

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we become monsters?

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Speaker 5: Answer that question in Psycho as you put him away

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for twenty years and then when you let him out

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he starts killing people again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Psycho Too written by It's the guy did Frida Night

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right exactly, same guy did frid Night, Tom Holme. Yeah,

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that's right. You seen Psycho too? Yes, that's pretty good. Yeah,

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it's worth watching.

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Speaker 2: Psycho two is pretty good.

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Speaker 4: The worst thing about Psycho that I think when I

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get the bad tastes when it was the remake with

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the guy's a comedian.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get a quick question? So who

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who played an Hash's sister who comes looking for after it?

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is Julian Moore? I think who played Clarice Starling in

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the next Sorry yeah, no said, I just just occurred

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to me. I'm just like, was she in like the sequel?

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The bad sequel to both of these? She was in

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the Bad sequel to Psycho, and she was in the

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bad sequel to Silence of the Lambs. Yep, yep, there

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you go. All right, she participated in the eating of

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his brains. Oh yeah, but she was in The Big Lebowski,

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so that she's in Things and Boginos and Jurassic Park two.

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Speaker 9: The takeaway is if you want your movie to suck

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as a sequel, Julianne Moore as a way to go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the sequel to the you know, the Hannibal

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Speaker 4: I wondered always too, like, obviously, the first one is

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such a classic that the other one is not gonna

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the first one, would we have felt as bad about it,

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you know as people sound like diffel Because I didn't

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think it was horrible.

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Speaker 1: We turned it off in my house when he started

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feeding him his own brain. How was the turnoff point

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for us?

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Speaker 8: I've never actually really liked ray Leota as an actor

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all that much, so I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 5: I just couldn't handle Clarice going away with him. I

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just couldn't get over that part. Okay, So over to Psycho,

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Speaker 1: We don't need to talk about casting on em because

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we don't have anything on that, but we didn't talk

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about casting at all on Psycho. So we've got Anthony

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Perkins yep. We've got Janet Lee yep, who, by the way,

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from nineteen eighty four to two thousand and two wrote

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four books, including two novels, so that's pretty impressive. We

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have Vera Miles, yes, who needed a movie to finish

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out her contract and so this She was supposed to

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do some other movie and got pregnant and couldn't do it.

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So Hitchcock said, all right, come do this movie for me.

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You have John Gavin, who played the part of Sam Louis.

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You have Pat Hitchcock. Alfred Hitchcock's daughter is the one

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who's playing the other girl who works in the office.

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You didn't know that, double your face, you didn't know that. Yeah,

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So the other girl who works in the office with

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Janet Lee's character with Marion, that's Pat Hitchcock. That's Alfred

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hitch cocks a daughter. And then the detective is played

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by Martin Balsam, who is also in twelve angry men

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that you just talked about. Nice.

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Speaker 8: Nice, And I also want to point out as well,

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Marian's last name is Crane, which is also a bird,

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just like Starling. Yes, just like in the one scene

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of m there might have been a bird sitting in

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a bush. I don't know. I tried to connect all

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three stretch.

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Speaker 7: Eight year old dude, eight year olds?

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Speaker 1: What's a Petter ass Walter? Okay, So first scene, first

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scene in that movie, you've got what was supposed to

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be a helicopter shot, but it was too unsteady, so

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they really just did it like panting across a photograph.

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And then you go into the apartment where two people

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are obviously engaged in an affair. Nooner.

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Speaker 5: It's a nooner, It's a Is it the first nooner

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we ever get in cinema history?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I was kind of surprised at that with Like, I mean,

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I don't see every movie that came out in the sixties,

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but that surprised me.

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Speaker 7: A lot of that stuff that that was there in

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the sixties.

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Speaker 5: See, I heard that Hitchcock he fluffed up certain scenes

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so that the sensors would kind of they could scale

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those back so they would leave the shower scene and

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the murder scene and stuff like that. So he went

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kind of full throttle with lebron underwear.

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Speaker 1: So the sensors would go after from there, and they didn't.

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They didn't. First let's talk about first scene. Let's talk

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about first scene. Any thoughts on first scene?

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Speaker 8: Well, I want to make an original comment about the

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whole You know that they're enjoying each other's company in

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the middle of the day. Being in a movie in

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the sixties, it was my understanding that there would be

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train tunnels to let me know when those kind of

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scenes were going to I've seen Hitchcock before, I know

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how he handles this kind of stuff, and I had

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no train tunnel, so I felt lost.

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Speaker 9: We'll explain it to your to you when you're older,

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John Dora about it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So the guy John Gavin, the guy playing Sammis, was

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an ultimate gentleman, and this was the very first scene

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that he in genitally shot together. And after about ten

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or twenty takes, Alfred Hitchcock goes to Janet Lee and says,

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not really feeling a lot of passion, here, can you

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take this in hand? And she said what he goes,

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can you take this in hand? And she said yes

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I can, and she aroused the passion and her co

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actor enough to make the scene a little more believable.

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Anything for the scene, right, Okay? Any other thoughts about

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opening scene? Nothing?

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Speaker 6: Well, after hearing that little tidbit, I've got about six

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or seven hundred, but I mean, like.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so best scene, best scene, go, it's the shower scene.

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It's the shower scene.

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Speaker 7: Definitely got the point across.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a toss up between the Martin Balsom

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going down the stae and I think it's also just

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the reveal. I remember watching the reveal at the end

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where it's that he comes in spins her yeah, and

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it's she turns the chair around and it's the mother

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and the chair of the skeleton, and then all of

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a sudden he comes.

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Speaker 2: Out that door and he's got the wig all ryans.

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Speaker 4: So I remember seeing that there was a show that

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did there was a no and I know somebody had

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one of you had the book, that History of Horror book.

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aired on TV frequently was always kind of replayed and

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they would go into like the Great classic characters and horrors,

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and I can't remember it was, but they would always

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show that scene.

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Speaker 2: I think that I think maybe that the reveal is powerful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. The problem with this movie is that

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it was made well before any of us were born,

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and so it's so popular. We all just kind of

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grew up knowing who Norman Bates really was and knowing

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that the shower scene was coming, and so that was

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kind of embedded in us. I would say to me,

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when the detective reaches the top of the stairs and

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the camera angle is from above, and it's such a

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perfect use of music because you see her come out

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the door in silence, come out the door for just

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a split second before that music comes in with their

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wa and it made me jump out of my seat.

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Speaker 4: The Verdigo effect going down the stairs, with the falling,

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it's just yeah, it was just shocking.

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Speaker 5: A pun shot and he's got that slash on his

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face or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Now, how old were you, guys? How old was everybody

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when they saw this?

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Speaker 1: High school? Probably? I don't know if I watched it

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all the way through. I feel like I did watch

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it all the way through once, but I was not

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smart enough to like fully understand it or whatever. So

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really the first first viewing for me, it was in

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the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Really wow.

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Speaker 8: Like my dad would get on a stretch of like

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watching movies on a theme or movies by a particular director,

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and I remember during high school he was on a

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pretty good stretch of Hitchcock movies. So I all kind

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of at the same time. When I was probably about

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fifteen sixteen, we watched Marnie Psycho north By Northwest. I

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had seen the Birds when I was a little kid,

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but he always he loved Hitchcock and we used to

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always watch Hitchcock Presents. But the movies I didn't see

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until high school. But then it was like boom boom boom,

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one right after the other of like all the Hitchcock classics.

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Speaker 2: I can say that.

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Speaker 4: I did not know anything about this when I first

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saw it all the way through, Like I mean, you know,

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you hear Psycho whatever, but in the shower scene, but

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I don't know who the killer was in the shower scene.

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Speaker 2: I don't know it was a guy.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know what was going on, but I've seen

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the scene before you know, and he kind of knew

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that was coming, but the actual reveal at the end

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of the movie, the whole thing. I got to experience

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that fresh for a first time, probably as about a

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twelve year old. So I keep thinking it was like John,

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your uncle I remember, showed you a lot of things

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that were probably inappropriated in earlier age of movies and

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just let me watch them.

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Speaker 2: It was the I was the youngest of.

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Speaker 4: Five, so there's four older brothers, so by just the

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default case of you know what, just one kid, so

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what if he gets a little screwed up. I think

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that might have been the philosophy. They're older brothers who

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want to see the movie, so I get to see

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a lot of these. Some may try to send me

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to bat I used to go and listen and like

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creep down the stairs and try to see what they're

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because I want to be part of whatever they're watching.

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And then somebody'll be like, oh, now I'm afraid to

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go back upstairs. But but Psycho, I saw it in

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its entirety, probably in about the age of eleven or twelve.

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For me, it was like I got the full effect

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of that movie, and I did not know it was him,

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and I was totally like, oh my god at the end.

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Speaker 8: And Dennis, for you, the shower scene was doubly shocking

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because you'd never seen running water before.

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Speaker 9: I thought you were going to say he'd never seen

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a naked woman.

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Speaker 2: Before anyways, but is still okay.

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Speaker 9: I know I saw this one. I think like maybe

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when I was in junior high but you don't understand

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a lot of what you're seeing at that age, right,

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and so it didn't have a lot of significance. Unlike

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d I have seen this movie many many times since then,

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so maybe like late high school or college. Is like

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when I finally sat down and watched it top to

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bottom and was like, okay, oh wow, oh that's really like,

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oh that's weird, that's crazy, that's bizarre.

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Speaker 4: Well for me as a as a kid too, it

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was like going through the emotions of you know, when

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you're younger like that, you you know, here's the detective

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and he's going to save the day. So that's why

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I think that stair scene had a big impact on me,

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because it literally, like you said, comes out of nowhere.

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The amount of time i'd have to go back and

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see because I haven't seen it this week or whatever

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before this, But how quick it is that your hopes

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of him coming up, coming up and he's going to.

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Speaker 2: Save the day.

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Speaker 4: He's the cop, he's in the police, he's he's got

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a weapon, he's gonna he's gonna be able to save

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the day. This is where where it's all going to be.

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And then all of a sudden, boom, it's just boom,

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he's down, like not even a fight. There's no fight.

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And it was like deflating to you of like, oh

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my god that I actually thought at the end that

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that girl was going to get killed too.

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Speaker 2: So when the guy comes and saves the day.

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Speaker 4: You're like, oh my god, thank god, I can go

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to bed, you know, without having to worry about this

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because somebody caught him.

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Speaker 5: You know, think about how the people who saw this

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movie in theaters for the first time Janet Lee, they

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think she's the main character.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, forty five minutes in what She's dead? What

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the heck? So we all had, you know, some sort

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of i've seen this clip experience.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Even the previews for this movie before it came out,

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they didn't show any scenes from the movie. It was

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Alfred Hitchcock walking around the set and talking about, oh,

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this is a great scene that happens here and here

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we have but he refused to let anybody who wasn't

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involved in a particular scene know what was happening. He

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had a chair made up for the Missus Bates, you know,

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like everybody's got their own chair with their own name

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on it. There was a chair that said Missus Bates

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on there, so that not even everybody who was on

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the crew knew what would happen. He when he got

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the rights to the story, he went and bought all

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of the books that he could buy so that people

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wouldn't know how the book ended. And at that time,

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what was going on is that people would just wander

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in at any moment in the movie, And so he

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was like, what are we gonna do when somebody's thinking

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they're gonna see Janet Lee and they walk in the

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middle of this movie and they're like, where is she?

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And it's gonna spoil every I mean, there's surprise after

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surprise after surprise in this movie. Because you you start

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by watching it's like from Dust Till Dawn that you're

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talking about. You watch thinking you're going to see a

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Quentin Tarantino bank robbery movie, and all of a sudden

480
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,039
there are vampires. You're watching a movie that you think

481
00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:29,960
is this girl who's decided to steal money and run away.

482
00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:35,200
Suddenly it turns into a murder movie. And then your

483
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,119
interest in the character, right, You've you're like, well, she's dead,

484
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,559
so now you're rooting for Norman Bates.

485
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 3: Right.

486
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,279
Speaker 1: That's how they do it. They have that nice conversation

487
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,160
so that you're you're like, well, I'm not rooting for

488
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,000
her anymore. She's dead. I got a root for this

489
00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:51,559
guy because this poor guy's got to clean up after

490
00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:55,720
a psychopath mother upstairs. And so then it's a little

491
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,200
bit later on that you go, oh, yeah, like the

492
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,119
detective is gonna fix everything, He's gonna solve it. Oh nope,

493
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,720
he's dead too. And then a little bit later on

494
00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:05,960
you get them talking to the sheriff and he's like

495
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,480
his mother, his mother died ten years ago, and you're like, what,

496
00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:13,920
how did that? And then there's another mystery, a brand

497
00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:18,160
new mystery seventy nine percent into the movie that you go,

498
00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,359
what how is she dead? Who is this other person?

499
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,039
What's going on? And it's not until you get that

500
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,559
reveal where you the chair turns around.

501
00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:30,759
Speaker 4: Is she really dead? Yeah, yeah, she's not really dead.

502
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,720
She's over here, so.

503
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: Though, and then even and then he comes out dressed

504
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,480
as her, which is shocking in and of itself and

505
00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:40,039
a little bit funny. I just got to say, Anthony

506
00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:42,720
Perkins in the dress is a little comical, but his

507
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:43,680
weird face.

508
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 10: And then and then you have that whole psychological explanation

509
00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:51,559
that happens at the end that you're just like, Wow,

510
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,839
he's not even him, he's her, He's been her the

511
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:55,559
whole time.

512
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,759
Speaker 1: And then you get that great that last moment. You know,

513
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,160
she wouldn't even hurt a fly, and he's looking up

514
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,079
at the camera and he's just he goes from he

515
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,960
looked like, who is that Andrew Garfield? Like when I

516
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,519
saw this, I'm thinking, oh, this is a sweet looking,

517
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,440
nice looking man. He looks like Andrew Garfield. Right, he

518
00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,960
looks like a very kid you'd let mow your yard

519
00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:22,240
or whatever. Right, And he moves in that last little

520
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,039
moment of the movie into the psycho.

521
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 5: I caught this for the first time ever. There's just

522
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,000
a hint of a dissolve on his face.

523
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,559
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's like a skull that starts showing through. I

524
00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:39,720
think it's yeah, mother, yep, it's very fast. Yeah, if

525
00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:42,000
you blink, you're not going to see it right right

526
00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:44,160
at the very end. And to me, that that ending

527
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,759
is one of the things that stands out about this

528
00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:49,359
movie is how unresolved everything really is. And you can

529
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,960
kind of say it circles back to m what do

530
00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:55,440
you do with this part of society? It almost takes

531
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,920
me back to the end of Clockwork Orange. You know,

532
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,160
if you guys haven't seen that, but you know you

533
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,960
have Alexander de Large and camera zooms in what's the

534
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:04,680
last thing? He says? They cured me?

535
00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: All right?

536
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 9: And you know that that's absolutely not the thing that happened.

537
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,480
I get that same sense watching Psycho what status is

538
00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:14,880
he going forward? And then you get the you know,

539
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,319
eventually you get Psycho two and Psycho three.

540
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 8: Well, I think with all three of the movies that

541
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,920
we're talking about tonight, that's just that's the mark of

542
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,720
a good horror movie is it's not going to resolve

543
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,440
it's not going to resolve the suspense, or it's not

544
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,079
going to resolve the terror for you. You're left. Each

545
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,440
of these m left open ended, You've got to figure

546
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,160
out for yourself what path are they going to take?

547
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,720
You know, this one leaves it with that fading out

548
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,559
from his you know, just his eyes staring straight ahead

549
00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:45,880
and then silence of the lambs. Is okay, so you

550
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,240
caught Buffalo Bill, but look what you let loose in

551
00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:52,319
the process of catching Buffalo Bill. Was it worth it?

552
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,960
Or did you unleash somebody who could be way worse?

553
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:58,039
I know, he says he's having an old friend for dinner,

554
00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:01,480
but you know, at least somebody that could be way

555
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,640
worse than a buffalo Bill, because he's The creepy thing

556
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,559
about him is he's smart and he's seems a little

557
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,799
bit more under control than Buffalo Bill was. So I

558
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:12,559
think that's one of the things about each of these

559
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,200
three movies that is just a sign of a good

560
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,200
horror movie is it's not going to give you a

561
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,240
clear resolution at the end. It's gonna leave it open

562
00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:23,559
so that when you leave the theater you're like, oh, well,

563
00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:25,640
the threat's not actually gone.

564
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 4: One really quick connection to to another movie, and this

565
00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:30,599
is Wes Craven just paying tribute to this is when

566
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:33,880
we talked about early exits for people I remember having

567
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,319
the same sort of feeling when watching his Scream for

568
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,599
the first time with Drew Barrymore. I'm like, Drew Barrymore

569
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,039
is in this movie, She's gonna be the star, and

570
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:42,839
all of a sudden, then when you see her actually

571
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,160
get killed, I'm like, wait a second, Like what just

572
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,480
happened Like five minutes into the movie and Drew Barrymore

573
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:49,799
is dead.

574
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: How is that possible?

575
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 4: She's the big star, you know, because I don't think

576
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,440
the other girl at the time was very I mean,

577
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,680
she might have been in TV shows, but Drew Barrymore

578
00:25:56,759 --> 00:25:58,160
was the bigger name to me, and all of a

579
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,440
sudden she's gone. But I think Wes Craven was doing

580
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:03,480
this almost as a you don't know what's gonna happen

581
00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:05,119
for the rest of this movie and who's gonna get killed?

582
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,599
Speaker 2: You know that no one is safe.

583
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,559
Speaker 4: It's not like you know that like you know, It's

584
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:10,440
one of the things about Star Trek for me was

585
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:10,920
you know who was.

586
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: Gonna get killed.

587
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 4: It's how it's gonna be that other guy who comes

588
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,640
down with him to the plane. It's not gonna be

589
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,799
one of the main characters.

590
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: Bones and that other dude.

591
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, do you guys know, like the story about what

592
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,079
Hitchcock tried to do to keep people from getting spoiled

593
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,519
on the surprise of the movie, like especially going to

594
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:29,720
kill your main character.

595
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:34,039
Speaker 9: Early on, he instituted a no entry policy in theaters,

596
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,200
so after the film started, he made sure that movie

597
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,279
theaters were not allowing people into the movie.

598
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 5: I've suggested that Psycho be seen from the beginning.

599
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,599
Speaker 3: In fact, this is more than a suggestion.

600
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 11: It is required.

601
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: And here is what Broadway saw. No one, but no

602
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:57,440
one will be admitted to the theater after the start

603
00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:01,680
of each performance of Psycho. The audience had been sold

604
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:06,000
this concept. With it, they were sold on Psycho. Mister

605
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:10,640
Hitchcock tells you as he told them. Why this, of course,

606
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,519
is to help you enjoy Psycho more.

607
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 11: We really have only your enjoyment in mind.

608
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, sorry, that was the start. Time you missed it.

609
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,240
Come to the next showing.

610
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 8: Which which supposedly is the start of movie showtimes. Like

611
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,759
before that, it was, you just run your movie on

612
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:29,720
a loop and people just buy a ticket come in.

613
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,640
You could stay as long as you wanted to. If

614
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,799
you came in and you missed the first thirty minutes

615
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:35,359
of the movie. Well, well, I'll stay and watch the

616
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,960
rest of the movie, and then I'll stay for the

617
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,680
first thirty minutes and then I'll leave. So you might

618
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,880
see stuff out of order just because the movies would

619
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,039
keep running and running. And he's like, that didn't work

620
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:46,240
for me. I am demanding that you have start times

621
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:49,079
for these showings and that you do not let people

622
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,960
in after that start time has commenced, And I guess

623
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,720
there was a lot of pushback from the theaters. But

624
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:56,079
then when this was so popular, the theaters all of

625
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,440
a sudden were like, hey, we make people pay per

626
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:00,799
showing as opposed to just buy a ticket and sit

627
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:02,680
here all day if you want to. We can actually

628
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,799
make more money that way. So that was I don't

629
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,000
know if it's the first movie that ever did specific

630
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,440
show times, but it's probably the most famous one.

631
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

632
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,759
Speaker 5: I love that marketing campaign, and it really paid off

633
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:15,000
because the people lined up around the block. But it

634
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,400
was like, not the president of the United States, not

635
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:20,000
the brother of the theater owner, not the Queen of England,

636
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,799
nobody gets in after the movie starts.

637
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,039
Speaker 6: I want to say that the soundtrack show, when they

638
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:28,200
talked about Psycho I think David W. Collins told the

639
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,079
story that there was someone that was like, yep.

640
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 7: Sorry, you're not getting in.

641
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: It's pregnant, Yeah, pregnant lady who they're trying to think.

642
00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:36,920
The guy was like, my wife is just pregnant and

643
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,680
that's why she's late, and the theater manager was like,

644
00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:42,400
I'm really sorry, but she can sit in my office

645
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,960
until the next showing happens. And like you said, what

646
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,559
resulted was people waited in line because if you can't

647
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:50,240
go in whenever you want to, you've got to wait

648
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,920
for a specific time. So you got lines out of

649
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,559
the theater to watch this movie, which made everyone else

650
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,079
interested in what was going on. And then as they're

651
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,319
waiting in line to go in, you've got people coming

652
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:02,359
out of the theater like they've just been on a

653
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,599
roller coaster ride, who were laughing and crying and like

654
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,039
that was the most amazing thing I've ever seen, which

655
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,319
just gave fuel to the fire.

656
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:09,599
Speaker 11: Right.

657
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 5: You know, we talked a little bit about the shower scene.

658
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,799
The blood in the water was not red.

659
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: That's my trivia question. I'm sorry, no, no, go ahead,

660
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,119
go ahead, It was not red. Go ahead because it's

661
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:20,680
black and white.

662
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 5: So a black and white movie they used.

663
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows what they used?

664
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,519
Speaker 9: Chocolate sauce right.

665
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,839
Speaker 1: Yep, Bosco's chocolate syrup yep, which you can still buy.

666
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,359
Speaker 6: By the way, I just want to say I'm sorry,

667
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:32,720
Go ahead.

668
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 7: I didn't mean to interrupt.

669
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: Oh go ahead.

670
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:36,519
Speaker 5: You were you were rolling, man, some of thee was

671
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:37,200
going right there.

672
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 6: Well, I was just saying I would like to go

673
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,119
back and have a throwback day at the theaters where

674
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,960
you can go in sort of like when video game arcades.

675
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 7: Kids look them up. Video game arcades great places of wonderment,

676
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:49,200
but like.

677
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 6: When you could go into the video game arcade and

678
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,559
you'd pay like five bucks and everything was free play

679
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:56,119
for like five hours or something like, I would love

680
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:57,039
to have throwback day.

681
00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 7: Were you just going to the theater? Here's my five bucks.

682
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just see any movie you want, Walk into

683
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,240
this one, walk into that one. I'm telling you, man,

684
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,920
that'd be sweet. And I'm just saying if they had

685
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,359
that back in the day when the Matrix came out, Like,

686
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:10,599
I sank an entire year's worth of college tuition in

687
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,759
one week into buying tickets to rewatch the Matrix. So

688
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:16,039
I'm just saying like that could have that could have

689
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:17,920
like set me up. You know what I'm saying, throwback

690
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,640
day five bucks, see whatever movie you want.

691
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 9: You mean, when you go to the movies, you actually

692
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:23,319
only go to one movie.

693
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 6: So this podcast is going out to the public, chef,

694
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,960
and I'm just saying I'm.

695
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 9: Not admitting anything. I was just clarifying. So I understand

696
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:33,720
you know what it is that I can support you

697
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:34,319
in your dream.

698
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:35,319
Speaker 2: That's all you.

699
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,039
Speaker 8: Can support asking a clarifying question.

700
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,599
Speaker 7: I see, yes, Okay, me too, Okay.

701
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:45,119
Speaker 1: Good, okay. One more thing on the shower scene. So

702
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,599
he sent it expecting him to say something about the

703
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,200
nooner scene at the beginning that censors said nothing about

704
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,079
the nooner scene, or almost nothing. And then for the

705
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:59,119
shower scene, three of the five said we see nudity,

706
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,160
and the other two said we don't see nudity. And

707
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,559
then they're like, well, what do we do and they decided, okay,

708
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,440
well let's send it back to him and say you

709
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,920
need to take the nudity out. And so he took

710
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,559
it out of the can and then he put it

711
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:12,480
back into the can, sug it up a little bit,

712
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:16,480
gave it back and the three that saw it before,

713
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,000
didn't see it, but now the two that didn't see

714
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,759
it now saw it, and they said they sent it

715
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:25,640
back again, said take the nudity out. He said, okay,

716
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,680
did the same little shaky shake process, sends it back

717
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,759
and they're like, all right, thank you.

718
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 6: I could just I could just imagine like five dudes

719
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,839
like sitting around just being like, all right, hang.

720
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,279
Speaker 1: On, go back, okay, all right, I was right there.

721
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 8: Okay, one frame forward, that's it.

722
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 7: That's it. Sorry, you're out, And then the other guys

723
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:46,519
are you sure? I don't think so.

724
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 5: You basically describe me and my friends in high school.

725
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:57,119
Speaker 9: They would love past times at Richmond High.

726
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,599
Speaker 1: So, because he knew jantly he would be uncomfortable both

727
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,200
trying to act and being naked at the same time,

728
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,559
he went to a local strip club and got one

729
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,319
of the burlesque dancers who's used to being naked all

730
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,000
the time, to come and be the body double for gently.

731
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 9: I thought they were going to say he's stripped down

732
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,119
naked as well. That'd make everyone uncomfortable.

733
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 4: That would have been the worst cameo for him. Do

734
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,759
you know that he does like the cameos. He's famous

735
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:23,759
for the cameos.

736
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 7: Right, educate me, man, I mean, yeah.

737
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: So one of the fun things I remember as a

738
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,559
kid was trying to find like in all of his films,

739
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:32,079
because my dad would be like, he's gonna be in

740
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,119
everyone but for a second, and he'd be trying to

741
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:35,759
look for him in all the film, and this one

742
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,119
he's in it. In this first six minutes, he's outside

743
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:42,000
her office. He's got a cowboy hats that's him, and birds,

744
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:43,839
I remember. I think he walks out of the store.

745
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,839
So he would have little cameos, kind of a little

746
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,240
bit like what's his name from? From the mar Family,

747
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:50,440
you know, where he's somewhere in the movie. He always

748
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,319
has lines though where he didn't usually have lines. He

749
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,559
just was there somewhere walking past in the back, and

750
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:57,279
it's always like, there he is, there's Alfred.

751
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: Scot Okay, So now moving on to Silence of the

752
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,839
Lambs first scene. Okay, so I will tell you this.

753
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:12,880
I didn't it's been a long time since I've seen

754
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,640
Silence of the Lambs. When I saw it the first time,

755
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,720
I guess I was probably put off or something. I didn't,

756
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:21,880
you know, the tucking scene. I wasn't emotionally ready for

757
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,200
it that moment, so I probably didn't like it as

758
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:28,440
much when I first saw it, but without saying that,

759
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,480
I like the tucking scene now to keep on going here,

760
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,400
I noticed something at the beginning that I had not

761
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,359
noticed before, because I don't think I knew it before.

762
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,880
But when I was in college, I got a book

763
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,960
called The Five Seeds of Cinematography, and one of the

764
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,640
first things that it talks about in that book is

765
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,319
that the actor should never look directly in the camera

766
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:55,079
unless you want the audience to be unsettled. And my gosh,

767
00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:59,599
it was like every character of any importance did it

768
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,680
in the first ten minutes of this movie, especially, and

769
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,079
the worst of them all was doctor what's his name,

770
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,320
the psychiatrist who is in charge of the chiltern. Yeah,

771
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,679
doctor Chilton, thank you. He not only looked right in

772
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,760
the camera, you could see the slimy uzy he was

773
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,599
hitting on you.

774
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

775
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,639
Speaker 1: It was gross, Like he's not hitting on her, he's

776
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,440
hitting on me. Obviously Chilton did it, and her boss

777
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,280
did it before that. He was looking right into the camera.

778
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,400
And then, of course the next very important guy to see,

779
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,199
Hannibal Lecter, is looking right through you.

780
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,639
Speaker 2: Jack crawfor senter.

781
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 12: Trainy to me, Yes, I'm a stuned I'm here to

782
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,800
learn from you. Maybe you can decide for yourself whether

783
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,719
or not I'm qualified enough to do that.

784
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:57,199
Speaker 1: That is rather slippery of you. Agent's Darning said, please.

785
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,639
Speaker 9: Is Hannibal Lecter the only character where they do the

786
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,159
extreme close up of the eyes, because there are a

787
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:06,840
couple shots of Hannibal Lecter where you see just like

788
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,559
from bridge of nose to just above eyebrow, and you.

789
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 5: Got bethalo Bill at the end with the night vision

790
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,800
goggles pretty tight too.

791
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, when she's walking through the cell for the first time,

792
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:21,760
you've got the guy who's saying that he could sniff her,

793
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:26,880
smell her, and they're all in regular barred cells. But

794
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,679
when she gets in in front of Hannibal, he's got

795
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,960
the plexiglass thing up. The reason that they did that

796
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:35,519
was because they couldn't figure out how to shoot the

797
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:40,280
shots through the bars without covering up all of Anthony

798
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,199
Hopkins face and so like their set designer was just

799
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,440
at the bank one day and she's like, why don't

800
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,159
I just use like the plexiglass that they use here

801
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,519
at the bank. As you know, this is the feature.

802
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:54,360
Then the sound guy was like, well, because we won't

803
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,480
be able to hear what he says, and she's like, well,

804
00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:58,119
we'll put holes in it, because he's got to be

805
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:00,320
able to breathe, right, And so that's the reason that

806
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,000
they have the plexiglass. Now fast forward, they take him

807
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,000
out of that cell so that he can go talk

808
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:09,440
to the senator and put him in a cell with bars,

809
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,639
and that's the point that he's really getting into her mind, right,

810
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,760
He's really getting in there and trying to control what

811
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,719
she's thinking and feeling. And it's at that point you

812
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,360
got those bars. You have to do that extreme close up,

813
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:26,320
otherwise the bars are in the way. But it works

814
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:30,880
perfectly because as he's staring into her soul, he's also

815
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,039
staring into your soul. Yeah, is, so, what did you

816
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:35,920
guys think of first scenes?

817
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 5: To me, the first real scene is when Starling and

818
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Lecter meet. That kind of gets the movie kicked off.

819
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,639
You're dropped in the depths with these guys and you realize, man,

820
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:48,960
these guys are the worst of the worst, and she's

821
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,519
got to hang out with this guy to figure out

822
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:53,679
what's going on. The best scene for me is Lecture's

823
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,280
ultimate escape from the courthouse in Memphis in the Ambulance.

824
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:01,559
And when I saw that in the movie theater, I

825
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,400
couldn't figure out what was going on.

826
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: Who is what he shot?

827
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 5: He got shot?

828
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: He's on top of the elevator.

829
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 5: No, that's not what and then he when he pulls

830
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,119
off that face, I was like, whoa, I'm blown away.

831
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. The intercut that they did on that was fantastic.

832
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,440
I think it is only topped by the inner cut

833
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,880
of the FBI storming a house and ringing a bell

834
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,280
that just happens to be coinciding exactly with when Starling

835
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,679
is coming and ringing the bell of Buffalo Bill. That

836
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,599
was a dirty trick. It was a dirty trick and

837
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:37,840
it was effective and I liked it a lot. Yeah.

838
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 9: Well, so circle back with d what you were saying

839
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,440
about how they did the using the plexiglass. I always

840
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,840
thought that and maybe this was just a bonus for

841
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,599
the filmmakers. Right here she is walking down this corridor

842
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:56,199
with the worst of the worst of the worst, and

843
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,679
they're all behind bars, and like, what could be worse

844
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,159
than that? You need something other than bars to hold

845
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:06,400
him back? Right, Like, this guy is that bad that

846
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,719
he gets plexi glass. They can't even risk having him

847
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,400
behind bars. He needs a whole other type of containment.

848
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:18,960
Even still watching now, every time they use that drawer

849
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,800
that they to transport things in and out of his

850
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,079
plexiglass cell, you know, the drawer shoots out and you

851
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:27,840
know that she needs to put something in or she

852
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,960
needs to take something out, and he's like, she's gonna

853
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,559
put her hand in there, and he's going to pull

854
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:33,599
that drawer back right away and just pop her hand

855
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:37,079
right off at the wrist. That is incredibly effective. But

856
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,480
in terms of a favorite scene for me, there are

857
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:43,000
so many scenes that are so well done in this movie.

858
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:46,320
You know, Jason, I agree with you. The Revealed and

859
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,800
the ambulance. You know, when all of a sudden you

860
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,440
start putting the pieces together in your brain. For me,

861
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,119
it's almost faster than my brain can process all of it.

862
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:57,440
I get what's going on, but I don't understand what's

863
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,480
going on, And then like I need a minute to

864
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:03,440
think about don't realize how evil he is, how incredibly

865
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:06,000
brilliant he is, how much he doesn't give you know,

866
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:10,039
a flying rip about Buffalo Bill. From minute one, he

867
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:13,800
recognizes this is this is his opportunity to escape. That's it,

868
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,239
you know, that's his whole endgame. It doesn't Buffalo Bill

869
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,920
or anybody else. That doesn't matter. He's smart enough to

870
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,280
know I play the game and I'm out of here. Yeah,

871
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,639
you know. And even the way it wraps up with

872
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,920
Clarice on the phone, doctor Lecter, doctor Lecter, Doctor Lecter,

873
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:31,559
doctor Lecter, and then you just watch him literally fade away,

874
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:33,760
disappear under this crowd of people, and he was like,

875
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,360
what in God's name? How?

876
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: What?

877
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 3: Where? When? Who?

878
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,559
Speaker 9: Like it's crazy, it's absolutely crazy. But there's so many

879
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:42,960
of those in this movie that just it's like a

880
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,719
gut punch AND's like, oh, I didn't see that coming,

881
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,159
or holy smokes, I was just like high tension, high anxiety,

882
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,480
right like top to bottom.

883
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:51,639
Speaker 3: So good that I can.

884
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 8: Think of when you were repeating what Clarice, when she's

885
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,280
saying doctor lecter on the phone at the end, all

886
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,239
I could think I was back into the lecter, back

887
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:04,079
into the lecter, back into the elect That's the same

888
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:06,880
accent as basically the same accent for me. I think

889
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,239
one of the I've got a couple of different thoughts

890
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,639
on like favorite scenes. I love the tension of the

891
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:15,239
scene towards the end when he's got the night vision

892
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,880
goggles on. Just I mean, just you're you're watching this,

893
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:20,559
and I wish there's been a few movies I've been

894
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:22,119
able to see when they put him back in the

895
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:25,119
theater again. I would love to go see this movie

896
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,719
in a movie theater and just be in a theater

897
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,079
with other people, huge screen, dark theater, and I just

898
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:35,880
want to hear people holding their breath during that entire

899
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,400
sequence with the night vision when he's just he's reaching

900
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,719
forward and it's just he's just barely about to touch

901
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,039
her face and he pulls away or she moves and

902
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,800
he doesn't quite touch her, but he's just so close

903
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,400
and he's just so creepy and so tense that that

904
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,800
is one of my favorite scenes of the movie. The

905
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,760
other option I have for favorite scenes is any time

906
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,960
that Anthony Hopkins opens his mouth, like anyone he says

907
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:02,199
anything in this movie, I could I'll just sit there.

908
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,119
I know he's a serial killer, I know he eats people,

909
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:08,079
but it just I want to listen to him talk

910
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,559
and just I love the way that he just twists everything.

911
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,239
One of my favorites in particular just and the way

912
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,880
the other people react to him too, is the scene

913
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,840
where they've got him in the airplane hangar and they're

914
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,639
trying to get the information out of him, and he

915
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:24,639
starts with that whole thing, tell me, senator, did you

916
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,519
nurse Catherine yourself? Did your breastfeed her? And he's like

917
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:29,280
going into all this stuff and she's like, what are

918
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,760
you even talking about. He's like amputato man's leg and

919
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,199
he can still feel it tickling. Tell me, mom, when

920
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,039
your little girl is on the slab, where will it

921
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,400
tickle you? And then it just and then they start

922
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,960
to put him away and then he just unleashes and

923
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,199
he's like, all right, well, this is how tall he

924
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,239
is and this is how much he weighs. And then

925
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,239
at the end, I love the final comment at the end,

926
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,159
he's like, and I but if I think of any more,

927
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:51,079
I'll let you know. Oh and Senator, just one more thing.

928
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:56,239
Love your suit. Yeah, I'm just like, huh, Like I

929
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,599
even just got chills just now thinking about it. I'm like,

930
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:02,559
it's just so weird and twisted and just so creepy.

931
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,280
And he does such a good job of delivering every

932
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,320
single line in the movie.

933
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 9: The interaction between he and the Senator. That's not the

934
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,239
same love, same connection that he has with Clarice, which

935
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,000
is why when he's like, when he's like that with

936
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:19,800
the Senator, it's completely unnerving. Yeah, you think you under

937
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,480
as much as you can possibly understand a serial killer.

938
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:25,320
You think you understand him after he's had a couple

939
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,519
of visits with Clarice, and then all of a sudden,

940
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:32,280
you really see the depths of his strangeness when he's

941
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,599
with the Senator, and you're just like, oh.

942
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 8: God, as much as you think a reptile could care

943
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,559
for someone, he seems to have at least a little

944
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:43,039
bit of maybe not care, but consideration for Clarice, because

945
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,400
he gets upset when you know, when Miggs, you know,

946
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:47,840
does what he does, and he gets upset because it's rude.

947
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,480
And I don't know if it's a case of like

948
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,840
him actually caring for or considering Clarice, but he just

949
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,159
he doesn't like the rudeness of what just happened. But

950
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:57,039
when you get to that, you're right, it's like there's

951
00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:00,400
a complete disdain, Like these creatures in front of me

952
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,239
are not even human, Like I am so fi I'm

953
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,000
on a completely different plane of existence. I have no respect,

954
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,320
no consideration to give for any of these meat sacks.

955
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: But he's so he's so poised and so intelligent, and

956
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,920
there's so little violence throughout the whole movie that the

957
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,039
one scene, the one scene where he unlocks his cuffs

958
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:29,599
and he attacks the two elice officers is shocking. I mean,

959
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:31,599
you're just all of a sudden, you're just like, oh,

960
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,639
he just whipped that guy with his own nightstick and

961
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,440
blood is just and he's still just i mean, almost

962
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:43,119
expressionless as he's doing it, but it's just so ultra violent,

963
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,000
so bad. And then bites biting the face of the

964
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:50,519
other guy. You see the horror, and they had to

965
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:53,559
have that kind of gore, which I don't typically care

966
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,320
for in movies. But it's just it's like Aliens. It's

967
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,199
like we talked about, you know, you've you've got almost

968
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,800
the entire movie of No Blood, but that one scene

969
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,320
when it happens boys and impactful.

970
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,199
Speaker 4: You still he covered exactly what I was gonna say.

971
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,760
Is like one of my favorite scenes is with the

972
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,559
two because as people are talking about when she was

973
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,559
going through and you saw all the people behind the

974
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,199
bars and everything else, I remember, like some of you

975
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,360
guys are saying, like when he got to hear like

976
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:20,440
I think it was Jeff saying like, oh boy, how

977
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,280
evil is the beat that he's behind plexiglass? And maybe

978
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,880
that's the initial thing, but somehow I felt like she

979
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:29,400
was safer getting through the bars and all those guys,

980
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,199
those creepy, weird guys who were just shouting stuff at her.

981
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:35,000
And you got to this guy who's talking intelligent, who's calm,

982
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,639
who's intelligent, and you're just thinking he's sort of like

983
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:39,440
her friend in a way, but he's not. You know,

984
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:41,800
he's got some evil stuff behind him. But they lull

985
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,880
you into this cerebral sort of it's a psychological sort

986
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,360
of intelligence that he has that just is like puts

987
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,719
you almost at a little bit disarming, like he's not

988
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,280
an animal.

989
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,039
Speaker 2: And when he.

990
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 4: Comes out at the end and he does attack those

991
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,480
two officers, it goes from being a cerebral villain to

992
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,559
like a physical animal, like he has an animal at

993
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:03,519
that point, utterly evil and you see what you didn't

994
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,519
see almost that you you almost in a sense of

995
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:06,360
like always.

996
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: Helping her out.

997
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 4: And I thought he liked her all the time, like

998
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,400
like he like and not a maybe genuine way. I'm

999
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,039
not sure if Johnny were trying to say that, but

1000
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:15,360
like like if he cared about her really, but or

1001
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,800
more as like, here's a chess apprentice that you know,

1002
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,679
I'm playing this kind of psychological sparring with and no

1003
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:23,760
one else messes with her because she's kind of mine

1004
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,920
and I'm protecting her. And to a certain degree I

1005
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,760
felt like he kind of did care about her. But

1006
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,760
then it was like when you see the animal part

1007
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,639
come out in that scene, that is like it is

1008
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,239
ultimately that transition that everything else sets up. It's intelligent,

1009
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:38,119
he's smart, he's calm. You know, there's parts where she

1010
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,039
almost gets him to lose his coold, but that the

1011
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,599
animal never comes out, and right there the animal is

1012
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:46,480
unleashed and literally like with almost like just bloody teeth.

1013
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: It's just you now have a full fledged animal, and

1014
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:49,360
you realize.

1015
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,039
Speaker 4: What he's capable of when he like transforms, kind of

1016
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:54,239
like in m Night Sham Wants with the guy who's like,

1017
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,159
you know, playing the cycle, what's the one a bunch

1018
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,639
of care? Yeah, split, you know, when that monster comes out,

1019
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,119
it's like, now there's this evil thing versus the you know,

1020
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:04,239
the regular characters that were there, and you see that

1021
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,719
transition happen and that scene very quickly, and you are

1022
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:07,679
you're shot by it.

1023
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,519
Speaker 9: Well, and it's underscored by whatever that music is playing

1024
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:13,719
on the cassette too, right, it's a classical piece, which

1025
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,519
is it's just another level of unnerving because that's not

1026
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:21,840
the music that you would associate with that type of attack.

1027
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,239
You know, it's like to go back to clockwork Orange

1028
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:29,639
when you know, when when Alexander and his his buddies

1029
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:33,039
are doing singing singing in the rain while they're what

1030
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,800
isn't that the rape scene? Yeah, Like it's you're just like,

1031
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:40,800
I can't. I don't want to process this. I don't

1032
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,639
want to connect these two things, but this movie is

1033
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:44,840
forcing me to do that.

1034
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 4: Another it's more of a shot, but it's I guess

1035
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,199
the whole scene with the lotion. But to me, it's

1036
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:51,960
the shot of the fingernail in the walls. Always been

1037
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,760
in the wall. It's been un settling to me because

1038
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,639
then you just like there's a certain dread that I

1039
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:57,480
remember when I first saw that when they kind of

1040
00:46:57,679 --> 00:46:59,599
they zoom in on it and you see that fingernail

1041
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:02,079
and it may you think of everything that's happened to

1042
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:04,920
that point in there. There's nothing like a fingernail, bloody

1043
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,079
fingernail in a wall and you just without having seen it.

1044
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:10,239
Like you said, they don't show everything but the amount

1045
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,480
of horrific violence and desperation of somebody in that pit,

1046
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,280
you know, literally trying to clow their way out of

1047
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,519
something to the point that their fingernails are on the

1048
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:20,360
wall and blood.

1049
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,559
Speaker 9: Would that be kind of a Hitchcockian move. I'm going

1050
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:24,679
to plant the seeds and let your brain do the

1051
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:25,000
rest of.

1052
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: The rest of the work.

1053
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think all I think, And that's where

1054
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:29,519
I think we go back to when we first start

1055
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:31,519
talking about slasher films and what we like. I think

1056
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:34,039
you like the intelligent thing, and you don't show the bloody,

1057
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:35,360
you know. I used to try to tell this to

1058
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,440
kids when I was doing my film class. Was they

1059
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,280
would always try to do a trailer or something that

1060
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,119
was scary, and they want to show can we do notice?

1061
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,159
And I'm like, it's it's not. It's a psycho killer

1062
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,599
coming and stabbing a bunch of people and seeing everything

1063
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:49,320
is not always the most scary thing. It's always the setup.

1064
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,280
It's the unknown. It's what you don't see. It's that

1065
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,559
because we've all been there before. I've never been in

1066
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:56,719
a situation, God forbid, luckily that some cycles coming at

1067
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,000
me with a knife and trying to stab me.

1068
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 9: We'll be there in thirty five minutes.

1069
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,079
Speaker 4: We've all been in a place where we've heard a

1070
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:03,800
creek at night.

1071
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 5: Fritz Lang did that in m You don't see any

1072
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,239
violence in them.

1073
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 9: So instead of saying it's hitchcockey and it's what, it's Lingian.

1074
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,639
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe there you go. Britz Lang's quote was when

1075
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:18,199
he was talking about no acts of violence or deaths

1076
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:21,960
being on screen. He says he forced each individual member

1077
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,039
of the audience to create the gruesome details of the

1078
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:29,519
murder according to their own imaginations. And that's the most

1079
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:31,199
effective way to do it. That's smart.

1080
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why.

1081
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,559
Speaker 4: And again you see how all these people, all these geniuses,

1082
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:36,800
learn from each other and stuff particular incorporating a lot

1083
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,840
of the same things and going back to again, Rod

1084
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,119
Serling is one of my favorite you know, teleplay screenplay writers.

1085
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:43,800
Was when I when I show it in class and

1086
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,039
I think, Pat, you probably maybe walked in, John, maybe

1087
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:47,880
you walked in. At times when I would show my

1088
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,400
sixth graders that I had the beholder with the mask

1089
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,800
and the bandages around the face and they're talking. When

1090
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,119
they start to unwrap and they're going around it was

1091
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,880
a fishbowl with a camera, you know, and they're showing

1092
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,039
the light coming. I have kids literally like covering their eyes,

1093
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:03,559
freaking out, asking if they could leave the room. Literally,

1094
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:07,119
like the anxiety intension is like unbelievable that when the

1095
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,440
reveal is there and it's what's your name from the

1096
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,719
Beverly Hillbillies and they're like.

1097
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: What, I don't what you know?

1098
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 4: But they created the language in there helps you create,

1099
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,559
and then your mind, you're creating this horrific monster face

1100
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:21,159
that's going to be there, and it's worse than what

1101
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,719
actually any director almost can do because they're letting you,

1102
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,119
you know, like like what they could show you is

1103
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:28,960
that you've created the monster in your head, just like

1104
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,920
he's saying, you've created all that and your imagination is

1105
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,679
going to be ten times worse than probably anything they

1106
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:34,840
could do with a special effect.

1107
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 8: That's one of the things I really like about Silence

1108
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,679
of the Lambs is that the first time I saw

1109
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,679
Silence of Lambs, I already knew a few like facts

1110
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,400
or details about that movie. I was like, Oh, yeah,

1111
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,880
it's the hannibal elector. The guy's a cannibal. And then

1112
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,039
I watched the movie and I was like, wait a minute,

1113
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,599
so he's not the well he is the villain, but

1114
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,440
he's not the one they're trying to stop. All right, Well,

1115
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,719
that's that's weird. That seems like you'd think that would

1116
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,159
be your villain, Like he's the one that should be

1117
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:01,159
committing the crime they're trying to track down they're trying

1118
00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:03,599
to stop. And I think that's one of the best

1119
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:06,280
things about that movie is you are left until you

1120
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,880
get to that scene where he starts eating the guy's

1121
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,840
face and breaks out of his handcuffs and everything else.

1122
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,039
You are just left to imagine what could be so

1123
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:18,159
bad that this guy is in this type of cell

1124
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,800
and he's there this careful around him, and it's just

1125
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,199
it's left up to your imagination. Is what in the

1126
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,119
world could Hannibal the Cannibal Lecter have done to be

1127
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,559
considered this dangerous?

1128
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,119
Speaker 1: Okay, I got a couple of tidbits for you real quick.

1129
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:35,039
Speaker 5: The guy in the airplane hangar who when he asked

1130
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,719
her if she breastfed Catherine. The guy who gets upset.

1131
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,079
That character's name is Paul Krinler. He actually shows up

1132
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,880
in the sequel. He's the guy who gets his brain eaten.

1133
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:48,400
That is the that's Jack Crawford's replacement. So when I

1134
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:50,440
learned that, I was like, whoa, that guy gets his

1135
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,119
braining And then the book. In the book, Hannibal Lecter

1136
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,039
went after women. He was a woman killer now and

1137
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,719
the movie all he does is kill men. But that's

1138
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,760
why they chose Starling because she kind of fit the

1139
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,800
profile of the women he normally would go after. And

1140
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,960
so they were using here clearly as me.

1141
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,159
Speaker 1: Ready to move on to composers. I don't know who

1142
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:13,159
the composer forr M was. They used soundtracked effectively in this,

1143
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,760
and I know it's gotten remade and reused several times.

1144
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:22,280
But moving on to Psycho, you've got Bernard Hermann, who's huge, right,

1145
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:30,360
and he gave us the his when the writer asked him,

1146
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:32,199
you know how big of an orchestra are you going

1147
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,880
to use for the soundtrack, he says it's going to

1148
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,239
only be the strings. He's like, only the strings? Why?

1149
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,840
He's like, well, it's a black and white movie. I'm

1150
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,880
creating a black and white sound. It's strings or nothing,

1151
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,840
and so that's all of the sounds that you get

1152
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:49,599
for Psycho. Even the stabbing scenes are all just stringed instruments.

1153
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 9: To piggyback off of that. Think of the movement of

1154
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:56,760
the bows on the violins and the viola is right,

1155
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,719
that back and forth movement of a stat motion when

1156
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,280
you watch those bows go up and down on the instrument.

1157
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,119
So you hear the instrument, you picture the instrument, you

1158
00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:08,760
picture that movement, but you don't sit there and make

1159
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,039
those connections logically. But it all works together to help

1160
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,639
develop that motion, that stabbing motion in your head.

1161
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alfred Hitchcock said, Bernard Herman is responsible for one

1162
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,760
third of the success of this movie because it would

1163
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,360
not have been the movie it was without this amazing soundtrack.

1164
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 5: Kind of similar to what Steven Spielberg said about John

1165
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:29,480
Williams and.

1166
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: Jaws, who was an apprentice of Bernard Herman and used

1167
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,360
his music to influence the music of Jaws, which was

1168
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,480
the first movie that he and Spielberg did together.

1169
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:44,119
Speaker 5: And when tried to meet Alfred Hitchcock, Alfred Hitchcock would

1170
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:46,079
not even bother to shake his hand.

1171
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,159
Speaker 8: And then I think, you know, we already gave a

1172
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:50,199
little bit of a plug earlier to the soundtrack show.

1173
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,960
But in the soundtrack show, I think they mentioned that

1174
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:56,800
there's that motif in Psycho. You know you're talking about

1175
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,280
John Williams. There's that motif in Psycho when he's trying

1176
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,079
to cover up the murder, and it's kind of the

1177
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:02,480
I'm gonna mess it up if I try it, but

1178
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,159
it's like the dun don't It's like a quick, little

1179
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:08,719
like three note thing. Is the same musical motif when

1180
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,320
Obi Wan, Luke Han and Chewy first emerged from the

1181
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:15,559
hidden compartments in the Falcon the exact little, exact, same

1182
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:16,360
little piece of music.

1183
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: Nice. And then for Silence of the Lamps, we have

1184
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:23,199
mister Howard Shore, who's done an amazing amount of stuff.

1185
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,280
He did The Fly, Jeff Colebloom, my guy for Hannibal Lecter,

1186
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:31,360
he did Single Wak Female Jennifer Jason Lee my replacement.

1187
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,679
I'm just pointing out the obvious connections, right, And he

1188
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,119
also did all of the Lord of the Rings in

1189
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:40,159
the Hobbit. He's not it's not a small amount of

1190
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:41,639
movies that he's not and.

1191
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:44,679
Speaker 9: Not into thoughts were Okay, I feel like that sort

1192
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,880
of thing. It's all dungeons, its dragons.

1193
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: But it's his his music, and this one does not

1194
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,159
jump out at you in this movie. It's very just

1195
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,679
kind of ambient. It's like it's just there and it's

1196
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:03,119
just created. It's creepy feeling, but it's not right right

1197
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,920
in your face. It's just there and supporting the moment

1198
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,480
of the film. That's really it. Thoughts.

1199
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 5: I will say the soundtrack when they play American Girl

1200
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:16,440
by Tom Petty. Every time I hear that song on

1201
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,119
the radio online looking around for Buffalo.

1202
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,039
Speaker 1: Billy, you know that's the one she's singing before she

1203
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:21,920
gets kidnapped her.

1204
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 13: Yeah, thank you, right, take it easy, she was an

1205
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,719
American Girl.

1206
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:40,639
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you ready for release? Interception and yes, okay,

1207
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,840
let's do it. Okay go Well.

1208
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:46,039
Speaker 5: M made about thirty five grand in the United States,

1209
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:50,440
but has been determined by the German Cinematography Institute to

1210
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:54,320
be the single most important German film of all time.

1211
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,280
So I'd say that's pretty high recognition.

1212
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was banned in Germany for Yeah, the nazis

1213
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:04,119
it for thirty years. It was released thirty one, they

1214
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,280
banned it, I believe a year after he left in

1215
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,159
thirty four, and it did not come back until sixty six.

1216
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,559
In the meantime, over in the US, it was here,

1217
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,039
came out in the US and thirty three, and apparently

1218
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:21,159
they remade it like they remade an American version of

1219
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,559
M in nineteen fifty one. At that time you could

1220
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,239
still go see the original M, and the original M

1221
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,440
actually outperformed the remake that they did.

1222
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 5: I know that the head of MGM gathered all his

1223
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,840
young directors, showed it for them and said.

1224
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: You need to be making movies like this. Yeah, and

1225
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,079
then he said, if you brought me a movie that

1226
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:43,760
had this subject matter, I would reject it. Okay.

1227
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,639
Speaker 9: So Psycho made money.

1228
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,039
Speaker 1: Yes, it did a big hit. I've got that.

1229
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:51,079
Speaker 5: The budget, you know, eight hundred and six thousand gross

1230
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:54,239
thirty two million, and of course the highest grossing movie

1231
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,000
of Alfred Hitchcock's career, and he owned what sixty percent

1232
00:55:58,039 --> 00:55:58,599
of the profits?

1233
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:02,039
Speaker 1: Uh woo take. I don't know how he ran out

1234
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:05,039
of money? Out of money. University theaters popped.

1235
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 9: Up, well played, hitch well played.

1236
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:11,159
Speaker 5: Okay, Silence of the Lambs moving on, Silence of the Lambs.

1237
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,440
It's one of three movies to win the Big Five

1238
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:19,039
at the Oscars Best Director, Best Actor, Best Picture, Best Actress,

1239
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:20,079
Best Screenplay.

1240
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: Only two other movies have ever done that. Anybody any guesses.

1241
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:28,679
Speaker 9: I want to say Dances with Wolves might be one

1242
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:29,280
of them.

1243
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 5: Dances with Wolves is not the answer, but that is

1244
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:35,519
the reason why Silence of the Lambs pushed its release

1245
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:38,840
date back almost six months or something like that. A're

1246
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,480
supposed to come out in nineteen ninety It was.

1247
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,679
Speaker 1: Released February of ninety one, which is not typically when

1248
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:46,480
you release a movie that. It's not typically when a

1249
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:48,320
movie is going to do well with the Oscars. It's

1250
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,119
usually the ones that are released at the end of

1251
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:51,719
the year that are going to do well at the Oscars.

1252
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,159
This one is at the beginning and it still does well.

1253
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,719
I'm gonna guess Big.

1254
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:00,639
Speaker 9: No, not Big Gladiator.

1255
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:01,079
Speaker 2: Nope.

1256
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,079
Speaker 8: I would have said Titanic, But I don't think that

1257
00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:04,840
one actress or actor you.

1258
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:05,679
Speaker 1: Want the year you want?

1259
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, give me the year nineteen thirty four and nineteen

1260
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:10,480
seventy five.

1261
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: Seventy five would be one flu over the Cahoo's Nest. Yes,

1262
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:20,440
thirty four. The man you knew too much. Nope.

1263
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:22,239
Speaker 9: Is it one of those when you said where we're

1264
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,400
gonna be like oh man, or is it gonna be

1265
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,119
like ha?

1266
00:57:26,159 --> 00:57:28,519
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean a lot to me. It's called It

1267
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:29,440
Happened One.

1268
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: Night, now, the title of that movie. But I don't

1269
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,280
think i've seen it.

1270
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 9: Is that I've heard of it? You mute a Dennis,

1271
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:42,000
that's how we like it, all right.

1272
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: And I was saying what happened one night? And I

1273
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:44,239
was muted.

1274
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,159
Speaker 1: That's not fair, Yeah, go ahead.

1275
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: The reason is I was.

1276
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 4: Saying, we actually saw that film junior year in a

1277
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,960
film study class. I didn't think it was that great,

1278
00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:54,760
but I remember it being a big thing. So when

1279
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,519
you narrowed it down of the year in nineteen thirty four,

1280
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:57,239
that's all I can think of.

1281
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: I remember nineteen thirty four?

1282
00:57:59,119 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 3: Was you?

1283
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:00,559
Speaker 1: That was your junior year?

1284
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:02,639
Speaker 6: That was junior that was that was junior year of

1285
00:58:02,679 --> 00:58:07,360
college though, right and all fairness, all.

1286
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,119
Speaker 2: Right, I'll running a mile. Let's see your wins anyway.

1287
00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: So now is the time on Sprockets when we rank

1288
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:13,800
our movie.

1289
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,199
Speaker 7: Oh boy, here we go.

1290
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:21,239
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll keep it short and sweet. I loved im

1291
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,519
when I saw it for the first time this year.

1292
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:27,000
I thought it was fantastic. I was truly, truly impressed.

1293
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:29,760
I had not liked Silence of the Lambs before, so

1294
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,159
I thought it was going to be third, and I

1295
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:35,480
thought Psycho is so iconic. Once I rewatched this thing again,

1296
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,480
I'm going to think this is the best of them all.

1297
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,920
It was completely wrong on my prejudgment of everything right,

1298
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,960
so Psycho didn't do much for me. I honestly kind

1299
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,119
of nodded off a couple of times during Psycho. It

1300
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,559
just wasn't. It didn't. It didn't give me the thrill

1301
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:51,559
that I thought it was going to give me. IM

1302
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,320
is fantastic, and for the things that it set into play,

1303
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:58,079
I got to rank it at number one, but Silence

1304
00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:00,639
of the Lambs is a close second. I was truly

1305
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:02,840
surprised at how good it was because I had not

1306
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,400
remembered it being so good. Silence of the Lambs is fantastic,

1307
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,679
but im laying the groundwork for everything that it did,

1308
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:12,199
the fact that it's ninety years old and it seems

1309
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,960
so enlightened, and the performance of Peter Lourie as he's

1310
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:19,119
describing what it's like to be tormented and how to

1311
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:22,159
relieve that it's just too good. I got to go

1312
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,320
M number one, Sounds the Lambs number two, and Psycho

1313
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:27,760
a kind of distant three. Okay, what do you guys got?

1314
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:28,480
Final judgment?

1315
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,039
Speaker 6: I would like to just like, at first, I'm like,

1316
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:33,239
after watching all three of these movies and I'd never

1317
00:59:33,239 --> 00:59:35,840
seen them all up until thirty six hours ago. My

1318
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,800
first reaction was like, dude, I'm just going to reject

1319
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,400
the question. But then I realized, Okay, well, if we

1320
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,159
have guests on our show, that's not really you know,

1321
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:46,000
that's not cool. And if this is kind of we're

1322
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,599
guests on your show, I don't want to show up

1323
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:51,679
and be that guy. So then actually hearing with Diaz

1324
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,360
to say, that's exactly kind of the ranking that I

1325
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,400
would feel in it, Like M was just awesome, and

1326
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,159
I feel like I could rewatch that. In fact, I'm

1327
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:02,639
gonna rewatch it just because I'm sure I missed a

1328
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:04,920
whole bunch of it, but I'm going to rewatch that thing.

1329
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:08,480
And I could see rewatching that every year, you know.

1330
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:11,440
I mean that's like Dennis said, I mean, that's like

1331
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,039
a twelve Angry Men esque kind of mind play.

1332
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:17,599
Speaker 7: You know. The other two movies were fantastic.

1333
01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:18,039
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1334
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 6: I don't know if I'll rewatch them. I might go

1335
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,000
a little bit of opposite of what you was saying.

1336
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:25,159
I might rewatch Psycho before I rewatched Silence of the Lambs.

1337
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,039
But then as I say that out loud, it's like, no,

1338
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:29,519
I could see Silence of the Lambs again. I really

1339
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,239
I liked them all, but em was just so much

1340
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,679
to think about and so relevant.

1341
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 7: I would I would give that one the nod.

1342
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go buy more of what I would

1343
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,119
rewatch again, So I'm gonna go the almost op. I'm

1344
01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:42,000
gonna go Silence to the Lambs one, Psycho two, M three.

1345
01:00:42,199 --> 01:00:44,360
Because of that factor, if I were to judge which

1346
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,679
movie I'm gonna see again it's on TV, I'm gonna

1347
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:49,559
stop and watch probably Silence of the Lambs. Then it's

1348
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:51,360
going to be Psycho, and then it would be M.

1349
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: M is good. But like if I were to.

1350
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,679
Speaker 4: Rank which one is especially for the time period and

1351
01:00:56,719 --> 01:00:59,159
for what they had to work with, you know, and

1352
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:02,800
in a bold statement and a bold topic at that time,

1353
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,800
and daring topic. So while I might rank M under

1354
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,280
the scale of which is the better film, which one

1355
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:10,840
I would rewatch more, which one I.

1356
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,639
Speaker 2: Would be wanting to see again? I would go Silence, Psycho.

1357
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:19,079
Speaker 9: I'm struggling with this a lot, because the difference between

1358
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:21,760
all three of these would be like minuscule points, like

1359
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,119
they each bring a certain thing to it right. So

1360
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:29,239
I feel like without M, they're probably Psycho wouldn't have

1361
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,599
done its thing, and without Psycho, Silence wouldn't have done

1362
01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:36,079
its thing right. But in my head, that doesn't warrant

1363
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:41,719
M enough credence to beat out Psycho and Silence. I

1364
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,880
think in terms of im if I'm going to put

1365
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,800
on a movie and I want to be entertained by

1366
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,199
a movie of this genre, I think I would probably

1367
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:53,000
go with Dennis's list and do Silence. Very close second

1368
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:55,679
would be Psycho, and then very close to that would

1369
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:58,800
be M. It just depends on what do I want

1370
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,400
to get out of my movie view experienced when I'm

1371
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:02,360
putting on this movie.

1372
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 8: Sometimes on our show, we try to ask the question

1373
01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:08,920
and frame it like, all right, a two parter if

1374
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,400
this were coming out today and we're in theaters, like,

1375
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,239
what would draw me to go see it? Part two

1376
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,320
to that question is is this a movie that I

1377
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,599
would own? A physical copy of my list is pretty

1378
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:21,360
much exactly It actually is exactly the same as everybody

1379
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,519
else's for some of those same reasons. I really enjoyed

1380
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:27,000
EM the first time I had seen it, from start

1381
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,760
to finish. A heady topic, just it was it was

1382
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,559
great to see and watch a movie that was that

1383
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,440
long ago, and just some of the strategies, some of

1384
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,199
the different techniques and the things that it employed. I'm

1385
01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:42,079
watching that movie, I'm going that's where that's from. I've

1386
01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:44,920
seen that in other movies before, but this one is

1387
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,280
so early on and like that must be where it

1388
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,159
started or very close to where it started. So that

1389
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,679
was fun to see that in M To Jeff's point,

1390
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,639
I don't know that, at least in the near future.

1391
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:57,039
I will go back and rewatch M. It's one of

1392
01:02:57,039 --> 01:02:59,360
those and it's like, Okay, I've seen it. I've checked

1393
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,159
that off my life of movies I need to see

1394
01:03:01,159 --> 01:03:03,239
before I die? Do I need to see it again? No,

1395
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:06,199
I've got it. I understand its significance. I enjoyed it.

1396
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,800
I really liked it. Moving on to other things, Psycho

1397
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:12,559
Love Psycho. I would probably own a copy of Psycho.

1398
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:14,440
I don't own a copy but I would, if not

1399
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:19,599
for just its cultural significance, knowing that my family growing up,

1400
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:21,960
Alfred Hitchcock was always kind of a big thing in

1401
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,199
our family. We watched a lot of Alfred Hitchcock's stuff. Psycho.

1402
01:03:25,239 --> 01:03:29,480
Would I be as ready to rewatch Psycho as I

1403
01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:33,039
would Silence of the Lambs? Or would I be? I

1404
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:35,159
don't even want to say as entertained? Well, no, I

1405
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:39,360
do as entertained. No, I am more entertained, but just

1406
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,599
barely more entertained by Silence of the Lambs. There's just

1407
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,679
so much in Silence of the Lambs that just kind

1408
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:47,079
of hits it for me, just that the character of

1409
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:52,840
Hannibal Lecter, the struggle, the story, all the conflict in it,

1410
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:57,239
the interplay between Clarice and and Hannibal. It just it's

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01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,639
that movie fires on all cylinders from me. So I

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01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:02,679
think that's gonna be my order too. It's going to

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be Silence of the Lambs, Psycho, and then M. That

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01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:08,960
doesn't diminish what M is and what EM did. It's

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01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:10,440
just they're all three really good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna just copy what you guys said. I

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01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,239
think for my list it goes M at number three.

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Psycho at number two, and then the character of Hannibal

1419
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,440
Lecter as the crazy psychotic who's helping you catch the

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01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:27,559
super scary buffalo bill that puts it over the top.

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01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:30,280
Silence of the Lambs for me is number one. We

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01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,920
want to hear what you guys out there in facebook

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01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,280
Land have to say about this.

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01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: Where do you rank these?

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01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:36,239
Speaker 11: One?

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01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: Two? Three? Facebook Land?

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Speaker 5: Facebook Land guys, thank you so much for joining us.

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01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:45,679
This has been a blast, just a lot of fun

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01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:48,360
to get in depth with these crazy deep serial killer movies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,559
Speaker 8: No, thank you guys so much for having us. We

1432
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:52,119
always have a good time with you guys, most of

1433
01:04:52,159 --> 01:04:54,000
us except for Pat. Anytime we get a chance to

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,599
talk about something creepy or scary, we're up for it.

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01:04:56,639 --> 01:04:59,440
And Pat's a good sport, you know, he'll jump into yeah.

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01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 7: And I mean, I don't know how creepy and scary

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01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:01,760
these were.

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01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 6: I think it was just really like intense, you know,

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01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,840
So I don't know what that statement was supposed to mean.

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01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,039
Speaker 7: You can edit that out, but hey.

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01:05:08,119 --> 01:05:10,039
Speaker 6: It was great being on the show though, and seriously

1442
01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:12,880
talking about three movies that I'd never seen before. So

1443
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,440
it was great to get the first time reactions and

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01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:16,199
discuss them.

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01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,079
Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, rating these should be a one blanky,

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01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:22,119
two blanky, three blanky type.

1447
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:22,519
Speaker 2: Of rating for you.

1448
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:30,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, yeah, you needed three comfort blankies there and.

1449
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 6: Not once I started rooting for Hannibal Lecter, like once

1450
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:32,920
I realized, like, dude, this guy's smarter than any of

1451
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,039
these fools out there. And I was rooting for Jodie

1452
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:37,119
Foster too, so then it kind of became like, you know,

1453
01:05:37,199 --> 01:05:39,280
he's getting out like Jody.

1454
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:39,719
Speaker 2: Was running too.

1455
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,199
Speaker 8: So well that probably didn't hurt, but that, ye, Pat,

1456
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:45,360
you kind of hit on my sister's strategy. When she's

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01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,360
watching a movie and it starts to get too scary,

1458
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,880
she decides she's going to start rooting for the villain.

1459
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,480
Right then it becomes less scary. So that's kind of

1460
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,320
her strategy for any horror movie if she's getting freaked

1461
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:56,800
out or too scared, So all right, I'm just going

1462
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,960
to start rooting for the guy or the creature that's

1463
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:01,119
killing everybody. It's less scary, right.

1464
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,039
Speaker 9: Well, guys, thank you for having us on, and I

1465
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:08,199
also want to thank you specifically for this episode, you know,

1466
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,519
taking our our concept looking at sounds of the Lambs

1467
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:15,639
and then raising it with your concept because you guys

1468
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:20,599
always find fantastic ways to pit one thing against another.

1469
01:06:20,719 --> 01:06:24,000
Thank you, and in ways that always makes sense that

1470
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:27,719
when you hear it, it seems so obvious, but you

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01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,039
never think of it yourself until I also, like, you

1472
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:33,320
guys are like, so next week we're going to start

1473
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,320
comparing this one and that one, Like, oh, how come

1474
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,440
I've never done that before? That is, of course you

1475
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,880
should compare those things well, so bring bringing them and

1476
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:45,079
Psycho into the conversation for Sons of the Lambs.

1477
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: Is like, yeah, I never conversation together.

1478
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you for setting us up for promoing

1479
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:56,079
what we're coming out with next episode, which is two

1480
01:06:56,159 --> 01:07:01,639
movies that turn forty years old this year, both werewolf

1481
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:09,159
movies Botheen eighty one nineteen eighty one, All Amazing Werewolf

1482
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:16,840
Change Movies, Got the Howling by Joe Dante and American Werewolf.

1483
01:07:16,679 --> 01:07:20,199
Speaker 8: Ohoes, Ambada bomba bomba bomb Bomb.

1484
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,079
Speaker 1: It's been super fun, guys, look forward to doing it

1485
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:24,639
again soon.

1486
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,199
Speaker 7: Yeah, you guys all take care. Thank you all so much.

1487
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: Doctor you guys. Okay, ready, we're going to take a

1488
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,320
quick break to do a Shirly showcase with one of

1489
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,039
our Patreon members, mister Jonathan Tweety. He's gonna hit us

1490
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:41,119
with his opinion on one of our episodes from season one,

1491
01:07:41,199 --> 01:07:45,400
which is Trading Places versus Coming to America. Yep, let's

1492
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:46,119
hear from Jonathan.

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01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:49,239
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, this is John Tweety from Chapel Hill, North Carolina.

1494
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,119
I appreciate you inviting me to chime in on some

1495
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:52,760
of the films you've pit it against each other in

1496
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,320
the past. I've been listening to you since last fall,

1497
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:58,400
and I think it's an absolutely awesome show. I love

1498
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,760
the depth and complexity of the connections that you make

1499
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,039
between the films you review and how you weave together

1500
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:06,400
this tapestry of relationships to other films and actors and

1501
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,239
just pop culture in general along the way.

1502
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:09,039
Speaker 1: Most of all, I.

1503
01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 11: Think I enjoy the nostalgia, guessing we're around the same age,

1504
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:14,199
since a lot of what you talk about as a

1505
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:16,560
blast from the past from my own childhood as well. Anyway,

1506
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,520
since my first experience listening to your podcast was when

1507
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,000
you discussed Trading Places and Coming to America, I thought

1508
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:25,239
i'd say a little bit about those two. First of all,

1509
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:28,720
I absolutely loved both movies, It's almost impossible for me

1510
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,640
to say which I think is best. I do think

1511
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,960
each of them did something different for me. I found

1512
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,479
the plot of Trading Places to be more captivating, but

1513
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,760
I've found Coming to America to be a much funnier

1514
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,439
film throughout. I also really found Trading Places to be

1515
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,239
more of a film about Lewis Winthorpe than about Billy

1516
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,000
Ray Valentine. We do see a good bit of his

1517
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:49,359
experience independent of Winthorpe when he's working for the Duke brothers,

1518
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:51,359
but when they joined forces to bring them down, I

1519
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,960
feel like the story takes a strong lean towards fulfilling

1520
01:08:54,039 --> 01:08:57,159
Lewis's agenda with Billy Ray long for the ride. It's

1521
01:08:57,239 --> 01:08:59,159
really in Coming to America that we really get the

1522
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:01,199
chance to see Eddie's really come to life on the

1523
01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:03,720
big screen, and you know, with two Beverly Hills cops

1524
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,159
coming out in the meantime, it's by no means our

1525
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:08,479
first introduction to him as the main character. But in

1526
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,119
both those and Trading Places, it feels like the comedy

1527
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:13,359
kind of takes a backseat to the larger plot, only

1528
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,399
really showing up when he's being silly or funny to

1529
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,640
distract somebody. In other words, Treading Places is a comedy

1530
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,520
drama using drama loosely here, you know, with some silly parts,

1531
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,720
and Beverly Hills cop is an action with some silly parts.

1532
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,319
But I found Coming to America to be a side

1533
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,920
splittingly hilarious comedy that was then loosely structured around a

1534
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,960
romantic plot line to hold it together, And I think

1535
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,479
that's what really made the difference for me. Both obviously

1536
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,800
have terrific casts. Donamchi and Bill Bellamy absolutely slay it

1537
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,680
as the Duke Brothers. Paul Gleeson does what he does

1538
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,640
best by playing a kind of a wet blanket of

1539
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,000
a nasty guy, and Jamie Lee Curtis of course gives

1540
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:50,960
us what I thought might be some of our sexy,

1541
01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:54,000
strong and beautiful best as Ophelia. But then again, coming

1542
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,600
to America's use of Eddie Murphy and arseniy A Hall

1543
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,680
to play what seems like twenty seven characters apiece, along

1544
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,199
with the amazing talents of James Earl Jones, John Ames Sherry, Hadley,

1545
01:10:03,319 --> 01:10:09,319
Louis Anderson, and yep, Samuel Mothers something Jackson back when

1546
01:10:09,359 --> 01:10:12,119
he had both eyes at pretty much knocks Casting out

1547
01:10:12,119 --> 01:10:14,680
of the park too. So, like I said, I don't

1548
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,399
think I could ever pick a favorite of the two.

1549
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,399
I love them both for their own reasons. So what

1550
01:10:19,399 --> 01:10:21,039
it really comes down to is that I think Coming

1551
01:10:21,039 --> 01:10:23,800
to America is the better comedy, and Trading Places has

1552
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,000
a more intriguing plot. Anyway, thanks so much for what

1553
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:28,079
you do, guys. It's been a joy listening so far,

1554
01:10:28,119 --> 01:10:29,439
and I'm planning to keep following long.

1555
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,279
Speaker 1: Okay, I totally understand. We pick these to make the

1556
01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:35,399
decision hard we want. I mean, if it was an

1557
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,600
easy decision, it wouldn't be interesting.

1558
01:10:37,319 --> 01:10:38,039
Speaker 3: Right right right.

1559
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: We only pick winners. We only pick winners, and the

1560
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,960
winners are ones that it's tough to decide which one

1561
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,920
you like. I still go back and like, did I

1562
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,560
pick the right one? I don't know if I picked

1563
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:48,000
the right one.

1564
01:10:48,039 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 5: I lean Trading Places, but I love Coming to America too.

1565
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,560
Speaker 1: Coming to America is by far a funnier movie, but

1566
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,479
Trading Places is so iconic.

1567
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1568
01:10:56,119 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: It's a tough one. I'd watch them both right now.

1569
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,640
Eddie Murphy is so great. Really matter, but thank you, Jonathan,

1570
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,439
really appreciate your support. You've been a great advocate for

1571
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,600
us and really appreciate you giving us support. If you

1572
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,439
would like to, dear listener, would like to become a

1573
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,399
Patreon member, you can go to Patreon dot com forward

1574
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:20,640
slash Shirley Podcast and for as little as five dollars

1575
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,880
a month, which is the Billy Ray Valentine level, you

1576
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,880
can be one of our executive producers. We also go

1577
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,520
up to Lewis Winthorpe, Duke Brothers, and then Prince Akim.

1578
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,159
Speaker 5: I know right right, Jonathan, Thank you so much.

1579
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:36,159
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you. Thanks for weighing in.

1580
01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 14: If you want to be on the Shirley Showcase, send

1581
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,000
us an email, keep it around three minutes or least

1582
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:44,159
and email us at Shirleypodcast at gmail dot com. And

1583
01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:46,840
we've got a nice connection in the movies you just mentioned.

1584
01:11:47,039 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: For next week's episodes, we have John Landis once again

1585
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,000
the movie he did before he did Trading Places, right

1586
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,560
before he gets for Places, American Werewolf in London, which

1587
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,520
came out in nineteen eighty one, and we're going to

1588
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:05,439
compare that to another great werewolf movie from nineteen eighty one,

1589
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,000
The Howling. It's Halloween time. We got to do something scary.

1590
01:12:09,039 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 2: You know it is the year of the Wolf.

1591
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: Beware of the moon. Stick to the moors. No, stick

1592
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,840
to the road. Stick to the road, not the moors.

1593
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,640
Stay away from the moors. Oh, we're going to be

1594
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:18,199
still lost.