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True Murder with 33 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:36.480 your host journalist and author Dan Zupanski. 34 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:50.319 Good evening from real life mafia survivor Frank D. Matteo. 35 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:52.959 The gripping account of the life and crimes of the 36 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:56.959 most feared mafia boss of all time. Carmine Leelo Galante, 37 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.840 the prime mover behind the legendary French connect. The son 38 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:05.159 of Sicilian immigrants, Camillo, Carmine Galante was raised in Manhattan's 39 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:08.800 Little Italy and, by all accounts, born bad. At each ten, 40 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:12.240 his home away from home was juvenile detention. By fifteen, 41 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.400 he was terrorizing the streets of New York's Lower East Side, 42 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:18.479 scoring high marks for the errands he was running for 43 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:21.439 his La Costa and Nostra elders. When he turned twenty, 44 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:24.360 Galante was already one of the mob's top enforcers, a 45 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:29.120 sadistic thrill killer and clinically diagnosed psychopath with big dreams 46 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:32.360 whack his way into controlling organized crime the world over, 47 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:36.479 vowing to kill mafia chieftains Tommy Luchesi and Carlo Gambino 48 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:41.159 and take control of their mob families. Carmine Lelo Galantes 49 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.159 rise to mafia star, was infamous hit man for the 50 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:49.120 Luciano and Genovese crime families. Named Consigliere by Joseph Bonano, 51 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:52.280 he wiped out eight members of the Gambinos. On behalf 52 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:56.840 of Mussolini, he assassinated the publisher of an anti fascist newspaper, 53 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:00.000 The biggest dope peddler in the country according to law enforcement, 54 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.599 Galante helped orchestrate one of the largest heroin trafficking operations 55 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:07.639 on record, a power move too dangerous for his rivals 56 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.599 in the narcotics trade. The heads of the five New 57 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:14.439 York families decided that the psychotic Dalante had to be stopped. 58 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.039 On July twelfth, nineteen seventy nine, finishing his lunch in 59 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:21.199 a Brooklyn restaurant, Galante got what he dished out his 60 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.919 whole life, a shotgun blast of the face, his trademark 61 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:28.479 cigar still clenched in his teeth. The book that we're 62 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:33.159 featuring this evening is a Cigar Carmine Galante Mafia Terror, 63 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:37.840 with my special guest authors Frank d Matteo and Michael Benson. 64 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:41.919 Welcome to the program. Frank Di Matteo and Michael Benson. 65 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:45.439 Thank you, thank you very much. Let's start off immediately 66 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:48.680 with just a little bit of your background. Frank, how 67 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:51.759 you came to be the author of this book. 68 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:56.360 Henniston Publication asked me and Mike to do a book, 69 00:03:56.800 --> 00:04:01.800 and apparently they wanted something on Carmine Colente and they 70 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:04.680 approached us, and I spoke to Mike and I had 71 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:08.039 two meetings with Colente in the seventies, so they said, 72 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:09.400 would you like to do it? 73 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:10.439 And we did it. 74 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.520 You take us in the book the Cigar and tell 75 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:17.360 us the reference with the cigar and Lilo, and tell 76 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:21.519 us about Camilo Galante's beginnings. You say he was born 77 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:24.040 in nineteen ten in New York City. Tell us about 78 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:28.879 his parents, and tell us about the boys from Castellamare 79 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.079 and the connection with the Bonano family. Tell us a 80 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:35.639 little bit about this history. In Sicily and Camilo Galente. 81 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:41.439 You explained the possible relationship between his father Carmine's father 82 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:44.759 and the Banano family that traced right back to Italy 83 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:50.120 and its roots. And also this the Castello Mare people 84 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:53.879 that stood up for themselves. What that represented in America. 85 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.560 You say that they had few opportunities when they came 86 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.920 to America, and this organization and had traced back to 87 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.040 Italy provided for them once they were in America. So 88 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:06.600 tell us about him rising in the ranks of the 89 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:11.439 Banano family and really what he aspired to in terms 90 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:13.600 of his rule with the Banano family. 91 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:15.920 Frank and I have been a team for a while now. 92 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.920 This is not our first book together. We teamed up 93 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:22.879 originally because Frank, all by his lonesome, sat down at 94 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:25.800 his computer and wrote a book called Lion in the Basement, 95 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.920 which completely rock and rolled. It was fantastic. But Frank's 96 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:32.600 not an educated guy in a formal sense, but he 97 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:36.199 could share tell a story. So Kensington Publishing brought me 98 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:39.680 in because I can talk college and Fix it Up 99 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:44.079 had some material and it came out as Growing Up 100 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:47.439 Mafia the President Street Boys, which is still one of 101 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:51.079 the greatest books ever written. All I did was Fixed 102 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:53.759 it Up, I swear, But we became friends and the 103 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:56.759 team worked well, so we went on to write a 104 00:05:56.839 --> 00:06:01.480 book about Carmine the Snake. Persepto wrote about Albert the 105 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:07.079 Mad Hatter Atastasia, we wrote about carmin Dibiazzi aka Sunny Pinto, 106 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:10.360 the man who actually killed Joey Galo. Don't pay any 107 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:15.319 attention to that irishman bs. And because those books were 108 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.079 successful and still continue to do very well, we were 109 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.759 doing Galante now, who was the all time world's greatest 110 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:25.120 heroin dealer nows for the Costakala Mai. I think when 111 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:28.920 Lucky Luciano set up the five family system, he gave 112 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:32.480 Costa Calamari their own family, and that was the Bananos. 113 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:36.160 The Bananos had been running that town in Sicily for generations, 114 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:39.040 and Joseph was just the youngest one. He was sent 115 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:42.160 to America to take care of the people from town 116 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:46.639 who had immigrated to America. So when the Galantes arrived 117 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.199 in America, they don't know diddley about US government. You know, 118 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:53.160 their government is going to be the Banano crime family. 119 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:57.480 So it's perfectly possible that Carmine had no choice whatsoever 120 00:06:57.600 --> 00:06:59.519 as to what he was going to do with his life. 121 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:00.759 He was going to be a Banano. 122 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:03.839 So ay you introduced a couple of characters that will 123 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:09.759 remain through this entire story. Angelo Moe Prisonzano and best 124 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:13.959 friend Giuseppe Joseph Joey Beck di Palermo. These guys are 125 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:16.519 around when he's fifteen years old and he begins his 126 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:20.000 criminal career. Tell us about his ascension in the Banano family. 127 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:22.839 What is he hired to do or what is his 128 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.639 role within that family? And tell us about that rise 129 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:27.560 in the family. 130 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.839 I think the thing I understand about Glante is that 131 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:33.680 he's a crook from childhood. By the time he's ten 132 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.160 years old, he's already in reform school. He's got his 133 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:39.800 own juvenile delinquent gang by the time he's fourteen. He 134 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.120 gets his first major bust at fifteen, and by the 135 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.959 time he comes out of thing sing he's a grown 136 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.839 man who's considered one of the mob's top enforcers. And 137 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:52.040 Joey Beck and cousin Moe, they're there from the start. 138 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:55.279 Joey Beck is a particularly interesting character because of the 139 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.759 way he looked. He stood out in the crowd. Most 140 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.279 of the tough guys were kind of shortened squat, but 141 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.120 Joey Beck looked like he'd been tortured too long on 142 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:07.000 the rack. His neck was long, his head was bulbous. 143 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.839 He had a big forehead, the coke bottle and his 144 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:13.959 glasses and a protruding Adam's apple. It was its own 145 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:16.639 cold killer. So it's just it's horrified to think that 146 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:19.360 there were people who the last thing they saw was 147 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:22.439 that face in there's with his hands around their throat. 148 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.079 As for Cousin Mowee, Cousin moy was brain trust for Galante. 149 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:28.519 He was the guy who would expect Galanti's not that 150 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:30.120 smart of the guy. I don't think he was the 151 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:32.360 mentally handicapped fellow he pretended to be when he was 152 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:35.000 in police custody. But it wasn't an intellectual. It wasn't 153 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:36.799 much of a thinker, and he always had somebody at 154 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:39.360 his side that did the thinking part for him. He 155 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.879 did the tough guy part. And Cousin Mohi was that 156 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:45.120 character in his life for a long time, right up 157 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:47.960 until maybe a half hour before his death, at which 158 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:50.720 point you know Cousin Mohi took an unexpected powder. 159 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:54.799 You take us to Christmas Eve nineteen thirty and this 160 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:59.559 gun battle at the Lieberman Brewery. Tell us about that. Then, 161 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.080 what is the result for Carmine silver Bells. 162 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.679 It's Christmas time in the city and it's hustling and 163 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:11.240 bustling in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, and Galante and some friends decide 164 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:14.039 they're going to bump off the Lieberman Brewery, which they do, 165 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:16.360 and they would have gotten away with it too, except 166 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:19.360 for they ran into a beer truck outside and decided 167 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:21.000 they were going to take some beer as well. And 168 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:23.080 while they're breaking into the truck to take out the 169 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:26.960 cases of beer, they get caught by Detective Joseph Minahan, 170 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:29.639 and Mina Han says, hey, what are you guys doing there? 171 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.000 And Galante says, you know, eat lead copper and starts 172 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:36.480 shooting at him, and he hits Minahan wounds him, but 173 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:38.600 he also hits a six year old girl named Shirley 174 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:42.559 Herushowitz lived on Bedford Avenue in Brooklyn, one of the 175 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:45.159 few streets that goes from one side of Brooklyn all 176 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:46.720 the way to the other. You could walk from one 177 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:48.559 edge to the other all the way on Bedford Avenue, 178 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:50.879 change his character along the way. But surely Herschowitz was 179 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.879 shot in the leg, so Blante has now shot a kid. 180 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:58.759 There's four bullets strike Minahan's coat, but not him, which 181 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:02.320 to remember Tracy's hat. Yeah, bad guys would always shoot 182 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:04.200 at Dick Tracy and he take off his hat and 183 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:05.759 there'd be a bullet hole in his hat. And he 184 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:07.639 had a closet it was just full of hats with 185 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:09.799 bullet holes in it. And I spent eighty years. How 186 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.679 come these guys don't aim a little lower? But four 187 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.559 bullets and Minahan's coat and one in Minahan as well. 188 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.720 But he still manages to chase Colanti down and arrests him, 189 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:21.440 and he goes away for his first long stretch in prison, 190 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.120 which is probably the luckiest thing that ever happened to him, 191 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:27.759 because the custall of Mauri's war takes place while he's 192 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.240 in prison, and he most certainly would have been killed 193 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:32.960 in that war had he been on the streets at 194 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:33.320 that time. 195 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:36.600 At that time when he's in Dana Mora, he is 196 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:40.840 seen by psychiatrists. What is their diagnosis? What do they 197 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:43.000 have to say after speaking with him? 198 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:45.720 Well, first of all, Frank should tire remind me, Frank 199 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:48.000 should tell you the story about he went to Dana morrilans. 200 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.159 I got to see it from the outside, but still 201 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:53.879 chilling story. Yeah, they said that he has a personality disorder, 202 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:57.480 he is a psychopath, which is probably true. Psychopath is 203 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:01.399 basically a man who has no conscience, and it's true. 204 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.639 I don't think that Golan they ever felt bad about 205 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:06.960 anything he did, no matter how horrible it was. Talking 206 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.440 about Dani Mora. That don'll warp you right there. 207 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.799 You also talk about that while he's in prison, three 208 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.840 years are added to his sentence. What is the incident 209 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:18.919 that adds three years to his twelve and a half 210 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:19.600 year sentence. 211 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:23.519 Well, it's a knife fight. He and cousin Moe get 212 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:27.799 jumped in the prison yard and knife comes out and 213 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.320 one guy's dead. And that's so Galante got three years 214 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:33.840 tagged onto his sentence. 215 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:36.879 Now let's fast forward as you do. Once he gets out, 216 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.639 he goes right back, as you say, whacking guys at 217 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:43.120 the orders of Vito Genovezi, then the acting boss of 218 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:47.759 the Luciano crime family. So what happens in terms of 219 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:50.279 he has to look like he's working, looking like he's 220 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:53.279 a legitimate person. What does he do in terms of 221 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:56.200 trying to pretend that he's a working stiff, and what 222 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:59.279 happens in his rise in the Banano family or the 223 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:00.840 Genovie's as a hit map. 224 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:03.559 Well, they had cover stories. I think the cover story 225 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:06.519 was he worked for an artificial flower company, or he 226 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:08.919 was a truck driver for a truck company that only 227 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.720 had one truck. These are things they put together, but 228 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:14.039 basically for the irs, so they could file that they 229 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:16.879 worked and made a certain amount of money, especially after 230 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:18.279 you come out of prison, because you have to be 231 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.440 gainfully employed and not hang around with other felons. But 232 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:28.200 he was in reality a hitman of growing importance. And 233 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.480 when Vito Geneviz bullt the country and went to Italy 234 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.559 to avoid going to prison for life, he made friends 235 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.039 with Mussolini. You know Mussolini, who was the fascist leader 236 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.440 of Italy at the time. And as a rule, the 237 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:45.000 fascists and mafioso did not get along because there were 238 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:49.360 competing governments. But in this case, Geneviz needed to make 239 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.080 peace because he needed someplace to live in safety. So 240 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.799 Mussolini said, Okay, you know, we'll protect you, but you 241 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:56.759 gotta do me some favors. You have anybody who in 242 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.240 New York could kill a guy from me, And Jennevie says, yeah, 243 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:01.240 as a matter of fact, that do it. So could 244 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:04.720 you bump off Carlo trescaw Krlo Tresca is a publisher 245 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:10.159 of an anarchist newspaper, anti fascist, you know, far left 246 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:13.480 wing against the far right wing and Mussolini. Once this 247 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.519 guy bumped off, I mean modern example would be if 248 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.799 Joseph Biden wanted to bump off the editor of the 249 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.960 New York Post or something like that. That that'd be 250 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.279 how big this is. And Tresca and a friend are 251 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:30.159 going out to eat their on fifteenth Street and Fifth 252 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.639 Avenue in a nice section of Manhattan, and Galante walked 253 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:35.840 up and blew them away on nine forty at night, 254 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:39.399 and they knew it was him too, because earlier in 255 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:42.159 the day he had gone to his parole officer. His 256 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:44.399 parole officers thought he was acting a little hanky and 257 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:47.240 followed him, and he got into a car and they 258 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:50.000 wrote down the license plate number. Couldn't follow any further 259 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:53.360 because there were gas rations because of the war. So 260 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:56.159 once they got in the car, he got away. And 261 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.960 then after the shooting, the little guy who does the 262 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:00.799 shooting is seen getting in to a car that looks 263 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:03.639 just like that. And then hours later the car has 264 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:06.720 founded abandoned and it has the same license plate number 265 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:09.639 as the number the ro officer wrote earlier in the day, 266 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:12.399 but while the bullets were flying, nobody wrote down the 267 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:14.720 license plate number, so they all they knew was that 268 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:16.919 the killer got into a car like the one that 269 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:19.720 Valante was seen getting into and was abandoned or the 270 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:23.360 shooting site. Later and he was released for lack of evidence, 271 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:27.159 but not until his pictures in the newspaper The Assassin, 272 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:29.799 and they think they had his name wrong, that rock 273 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:34.080 o' Galante is the option for the portrait. The picture 274 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:37.759 and he's looking small and the cops are just towering 275 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.559 over him. He's disheveled, and within a few weeks he 276 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:42.039 was free. 277 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.200 That's how you know, how they make big mistakes by 278 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:47.440 using a car they used all day. I mean, that's 279 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:48.879 where it not too blight comes in. 280 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:51.440 Yeah, although I'm not sure he knew that he was 281 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:54.600 being followed on foot by his parole officer when he 282 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:55.840 got into that car that morning. 283 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:57.679 No, I didn't know. But you don't use your same car. 284 00:14:57.720 --> 00:14:59.879 I mean, but it's the forties, I mean it's not today. 285 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.639 I mean they stole it first thing, good morning, they 286 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:04.200 used it all day and didn't get rid of it 287 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:05.480 until after the assassination. 288 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:07.360 Yeah, that's a no no, man, that's a really a 289 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:10.080 no no. But you know, like I said, the forties, 290 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:12.720 it things a little different then, but a big mistake. 291 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:15.240 Well he didn't sit with us back to the entrance either, 292 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:16.720 but it didn't do any good. 293 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:19.799 Well yeah, well, so. 294 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:26.399 Legal problems are arising are a constant for Carmine. But 295 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:30.519 at the same time, nineteen fifty three, he is sent 296 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:34.399 to Montreal to oversee the heroin operation. There tell us 297 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:37.840 a little bit about this move by organized crime to 298 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:41.240 have him in Montreal and dealing with the heroin distribution. 299 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:44.600 At the same time that they're setting up the pipeline 300 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:48.360 to bring the heroin into the US, they're recruiting an 301 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.720 army out of Koslomara to function as soldiers in America, 302 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.000 so to make sure that nobody else tries to get 303 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:58.000 in on the action and that everything runs smoothly. And 304 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:00.679 these are called zips, right. Only thing I could find 305 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.480 was they're called zips because they speak really fast. But 306 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:05.600 Frank says, you know, he met a zip once and 307 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:07.360 didn't didn't speak that that quickly. 308 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:10.440 You take us On October twenty fifth, nineteen fifty seven 309 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:15.200 and Albert the matd hatter Anastasias killed at a barber shop, 310 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:17.879 and you write that there's a power vacuum in the 311 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:22.279 five family system as a result. Banano Consigula Air now 312 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:25.919 is Galante. He was invited to this meeting at Barbara's 313 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:30.960 place in Appalachian, New York. This is a historic sit down. 314 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:33.960 You cite that it's an all star cast. Tell us 315 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:36.399 about this sit down and what happens. 316 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:41.639 Yeah, it's a major, major deal with There's Bananos there, 317 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:47.440 Profacci's there, Gambino's there, Geneviev's there, poly Castellano was there, 318 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:51.200 and apparently so is Galante. But when the when the 319 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:54.799 meeting was busted by local law enforcement, and I really 320 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.080 wish we had videotape of this because this would have 321 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:01.480 been just unbelievable to watch. All these top hoods just ran. 322 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.240 There was a big field and wood with the woods 323 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:06.000 at the other side of it, and they ran until 324 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:08.680 they got to the woods, and someone managed to disappear, 325 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:10.920 and some got picked up by cops who are out 326 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:13.599 there scouring for them, and goal on they got away, 327 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:16.920 which is was not the first time he'd almost gotten 328 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:19.079 in trouble in that area. He'd been picked up a 329 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.680 couple of years earlier for a speeding ticket near the 330 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:25.039 Barbara Place, and what a fuss. I mean, it's hard 331 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:27.359 to figure out what was going on. He was going 332 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:29.880 seventy and a fifty mile an hour zone, and yet 333 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.680 politicians and judges all form in try to make sure 334 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:35.319 that he doesn't have to go to jail. But he 335 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:37.839 goes to jail anyway for thirty days, which seems like 336 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:41.000 a long time for a speeding ticket. But much fuss 337 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.519 and much fuss about the fuss about Galante's speeding ticket. 338 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:46.440 The only real conclusion you can come to is that 339 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:50.759 the corruption was so deep into what we would think 340 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:55.759 of as legitimate government that it was just frightening to people. 341 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:57.640 Well, they had guys in their pocket up bit, they 342 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:00.440 had a consulmate, they had judges, they had lawyers though days, 343 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:02.200 so they tried to buy the way out of everything. 344 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:03.359 His lawyer was the mayor. 345 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:05.480 Yeah, so they you know, it was just. 346 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.079 Still I think it was still publicized. That's why it 347 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:11.200 was a bigger headache for him than anybody else. If 348 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.880 it wasn't, you know, so publicized, it would have been 349 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:15.880 squashed even faster than it. 350 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:17.759 Was pay a fighting get out of here. 351 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:20.480 That's a yeah comline, you know, I mean it was, 352 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:24.200 it was on the radar already, so that you. 353 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:26.799 Talk about that, that he's on the radar in January 354 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:30.000 nineteen fifty eight. As of that time, it's to get 355 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:35.960 Galante program. The Joint Legislative Committee on Organized Crime looking 356 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:40.559 for Frank Garofolo, but also that Galante is missing and 357 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:44.079 they don't know where he is, and the newspaper articles 358 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:48.119 are portraying him as very very big person and important 359 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:49.839 person in the world of organized crime. 360 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:53.599 Yeah, well he's developed a second identity, comes with a 361 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:57.400 second wife and a child with the second wife. Although 362 00:18:57.480 --> 00:18:59.720 he wasn't wasn't technically a big a miss. There's no 363 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.880 evia he married the second wife. Well, yeah, he was 364 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.319 with Paul. It was his first thing was Aquavella. I 365 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:10.599 was going to say that Galante is a horrible, horrible man, 366 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:13.720 but he was in his way a great gangster. I mean, 367 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.720 he was never ever going to rat. Never, it wasn't 368 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.240 going to happen. And while you know, rats were turning 369 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:21.400 left and right, he was going to do his time 370 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:23.200 and keep his mouth shut. And that was that was 371 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:27.880 typical of that generation. Of guy. I mean, it's part 372 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:32.359 of I think is that the Costello Mari's tradition. 373 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:36.440 Let's continue in nineteen fifty eight, because Joey Beck goes 374 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:40.359 on trial and he's considered a very big person in 375 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:44.440 the heroin business. And also Luciano's apartment was searched and 376 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.599 they found a little black book. Many people arrested as 377 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:51.759 a result, and Luciano is sent to Dona Mora as well, 378 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:54.880 serving ten years. You tell us that there was also 379 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.079 a move instead of arresting and convicting, trying to convict 380 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:02.400 these people, that four hundred Italillians were deported rather than 381 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:03.640 prosecuted at that time. 382 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:05.640 Right, But in order to do that, they had to 383 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:10.079 be Italian citizens and not be naturalized Americans. Right. There 384 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:12.960 was a story and that I'll ask Frank in a 385 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.359 second if he believes this, But there was a story 386 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.359 that Gallante had been actually born in Italy and came 387 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:20.839 to America when he was four, which case he could 388 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:24.200 have been deported. But there was paperwork saying that he 389 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.319 had been born in the Lower East Side of New 390 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:30.160 York as Camillo allowed a different name, and as far 391 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:32.440 as we know, he had always lived in what was 392 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:34.599 that at that time of Lily, which is today the 393 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:38.640 East Harlem long Ways from the Lower East Side. So's 394 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:40.920 if he was not born in the United States. There 395 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:45.119 was an excellent paper trail to convince the government that 396 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.160 he was right. And that's the reason he wasn't deported. 397 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:51.319 The only time was ever deported, he was deported from 398 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:52.960 Canada to the United States. 399 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:56.240 All right, let's talk about June first and the nineteen 400 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:01.599 fifty nine. The traffics stopped capture in Homedell, New Jersey, 401 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:02.839