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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get to our subjects at hand, and the

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<v Speaker 2>subject at hand this hour will be President Trump's proclamation

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<v Speaker 2>barring foreign students from attending Harvard and I just think

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<v Speaker 2>this is way over the top, But we'll get to

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. I got a couple of personal announcements

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<v Speaker 2>that i'd like to make. Number one, I would like

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<v Speaker 2>to remind everyone who listens to my show that there's

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<v Speaker 2>no greater friend of this program, no greater person, in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion, who's associated with w b Z. That our

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<v Speaker 2>great friend Jordan Rich. Jordan, as I think all of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, is no longer the regular substitute as he

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<v Speaker 2>has been for many years on this show because you've

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<v Speaker 2>been deal a little bit of a medical issue. But tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow he celebrates another birthday. Jordan's birthday is June sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>and if some of you would be kind enough to

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<v Speaker 2>just send him a little birthday greeting, I think he'd

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<v Speaker 2>love it. I haven't said anything to him, he hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>said anything to me, but I know that all of

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<v Speaker 2>you have great fond feelings towards Jordan, who still works

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<v Speaker 2>at WBZ and runs his own company and is still

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<v Speaker 2>very active, but he just is not able to do

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<v Speaker 2>the four hour gigs here on Monday through Friday nights.

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<v Speaker 2>And a great mutual friend of ours reminded me that

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan is a June sixth baby. So you can send

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan and if Rob or Shane would write this down

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<v Speaker 2>if anybody misses it. His personal email is Jordan j

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<v Speaker 2>O R D A and at Chart Productions dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>That's his company chart c h A r T production

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<v Speaker 2>spelled as you would expect p R O d U

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<v Speaker 2>c T I O n s dot com. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not as if A miss spelling B. But I know

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<v Speaker 2>those words Jordan at chart Productions dot com. So I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that Jordan has a great birthday tomorrow, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hope he has many many, many many more birthdays. As

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<v Speaker 2>I say, he's been probably the best shape of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a he's a he's actually if anyone who knows Jordan,

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<v Speaker 2>he's in this program where to keep in great shape.

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<v Speaker 2>He now is is a boxer. He's not like in

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<v Speaker 2>the ring fighting, but he's he's doing all these combinations

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<v Speaker 2>footwork and uh and boxing and he loves it. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Rich, great friend, a stalwart here at WBZ. He

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<v Speaker 2>probably has been at WBZ Radio a heck of a

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<v Speaker 2>lot longer than I have, and has been a much

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<v Speaker 2>more valuable asset to to this radio station over the

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<v Speaker 2>years that I have. So I am he's my friend,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you would send him a quick little email

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan at chart Productions dot com, I would appreciate it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope he will be surprised. Also, on a

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<v Speaker 2>personal note, I spent much of the morning at the

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<v Speaker 2>Museum of Fine Arts. I was at a program that

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<v Speaker 2>was sponsored by a company called Day of AI. I

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<v Speaker 2>think all of us have heard a lot about artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>I joke and I say, I'm always waiting for some

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<v Speaker 2>real intelligence, but very impressive presentation. Students from two Boston

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<v Speaker 2>high schools were there today. Many of them had participated

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<v Speaker 2>from East Boston High School in Brooke High School. These

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<v Speaker 2>are two schools that had presented AI generated self portraits

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<v Speaker 2>in a gallery style walkthrough with guests at the Museum

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<v Speaker 2>of Fine Arts. There also were some of the real

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<v Speaker 2>brainiacs associated with this group, professors from places like MIT

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<v Speaker 2>and Carnegie Mellon and the whole purpose of Day of

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<v Speaker 2>AI as I understand it is. They are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>develop a curriculum in conjunction with MI T, with mi

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<v Speaker 2>T raise in the day of AI. They were the

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<v Speaker 2>sponsors of this program today at the Museum of Fine

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<v Speaker 2>Arts in Boston, which is just such an asset to

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<v Speaker 2>our community. If you haven't been to the Museum of

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<v Speaker 2>Fine Arts lately, make that put that on your calendar

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<v Speaker 2>to do this summertime, either with friends or with visitors

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<v Speaker 2>to Boston. It is just such a great asset of

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<v Speaker 2>greater Boston and for that matter, for the entire region

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<v Speaker 2>of New England anyway. It was a very impressive performance.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of young people there is hope. Great students

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<v Speaker 2>from East Boston High School and Brooke High School met

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<v Speaker 2>with NYU professor Safina Ali, she's an MIT alum. There

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<v Speaker 2>was also researcher Boston artist educator and researcher. When you there,

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that AI learning is more accessible to students.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's amazing the more that you learn about again

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<v Speaker 2>artificial intelligence, what impact is going to have on all

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<v Speaker 2>of our lives in so many different ways. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>very important that young people who will be the future.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the way it works in this country. This was

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth annual Day of AI celebration at the Museum

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<v Speaker 2>of Fine Arts in conjunction with Day of Ai and

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<v Speaker 2>also with MI t Rays and I in the spirit

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<v Speaker 2>of full disclosure, my namesake son, Dan Ray the third

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<v Speaker 2>is an executive with the Day of AI and their

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<v Speaker 2>goal is to make sure that students at public schools

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<v Speaker 2>across America are exposed to the learning how to use

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<v Speaker 2>artificial intelligence as competently. They're trying to develop curriculum for

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<v Speaker 2>these schools that the public school students will get as

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<v Speaker 2>much exposure and education in this concept of artificial intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>creative expression, develop a curriculum. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the private schools, Yeah, their students will be exposed to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Day of AI organization, which is associated with

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<v Speaker 2>MIT and with MIT rays, they're concerned about students across

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<v Speaker 2>the educational spectrum, not only in private schools, but also

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<v Speaker 2>even more importantly in public schools. So that's where I

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<v Speaker 2>was today, and I got to tell you I learned

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. I learned a lot just sitting and listening.

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<v Speaker 2>There was such really fascinating people who were there, Just

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing group of people and an amazing group of

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<v Speaker 2>high school students. So hats off to those students from

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<v Speaker 2>East Boston High School and the Brook High School, and

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<v Speaker 2>to their teachers as well. These kids really impressed me

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<v Speaker 2>and restored, as it occasionally needs to be restored, my

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<v Speaker 2>faith in the future. Now, let's talk about the immediate future.

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<v Speaker 2>The immediate future, of course, is everything that President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is doing now. I guess President Trump had a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>today with the president of China, Jijiping about tariffs, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a good thing. Okay, let's get that such a

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<v Speaker 2>situation settled. I believe that yesterday he talked with Vladimir Putin,

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<v Speaker 2>who has expressed some intention to have some revenge for

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<v Speaker 2>the attack that the Surprise attack some have called that

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<v Speaker 2>actually Russia's Pearl Harbor that Ukraine was able to execute

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<v Speaker 2>over the weekend. They had one hundred drones which were

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<v Speaker 2>basically brought in by truck. It looked as if the

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<v Speaker 2>drones were simply in modular housing crates, but when the

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<v Speaker 2>tops of those crates were removed, the drones, like wasps

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<v Speaker 2>or hornets or whatever, were programmed to go to their

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<v Speaker 2>targets and they knocked out a lot of Russian planes

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<v Speaker 2>so that is something that is a good thing, including

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<v Speaker 2>some of the nuclear bombers of Russia. But the President

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<v Speaker 2>seems really focused, which I don't understand, on Harvard, and

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<v Speaker 2>he has now issued a proclamation, presidential proclamation, presidential order,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever they want to call it, to bar foreign nationals

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<v Speaker 2>from entering the country if they're coming here for the

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<v Speaker 2>purpose of studying at Harvard University. He also later on

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<v Speaker 2>today he has instituted a new travel ban. Some would

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<v Speaker 2>say it's a resumption of the travel ban that he

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<v Speaker 2>tried to institute back in twenty seventeen. We'll get into

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<v Speaker 2>all of that in the ten o'clock hour. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is a busy president which he has a lot on

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<v Speaker 2>his plate. And why he seems so focused on Harvard.

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<v Speaker 2>I have read the documentation between the White House and Harvard,

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<v Speaker 2>and more importantly, between Harvard and the White House, and

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<v Speaker 2>the White House has seemed to have acknowledged that young

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<v Speaker 2>mistakes had been made and that correction act corrective actions

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<v Speaker 2>are under way at Harvard to correct those mistakes. But

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<v Speaker 2>to turn around now and to again attempt to punish

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<v Speaker 2>Harvard and the rationale. The rationale according to the President,

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote yesterday our adversaries, including the People's Republic of China,

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<v Speaker 2>try to take advantage of American hiring education by exploiting

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<v Speaker 2>the student visa program for improper purposes and by using

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<v Speaker 2>visiting students to collect information at elite universities in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. Well, that might be true, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that they need to. That's why we have the CIA

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<v Speaker 2>and the FBI to make sure that those efforts are frustrated,

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<v Speaker 2>and whether they're coming from China or from somewhere else,

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<v Speaker 2>they're frustrated. Harvard's lawyers today have written they filed an

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<v Speaker 2>amendment to a filing that's already before federal court, saying,

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<v Speaker 2>with the struggle of a pen, the DHS Secretary and

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<v Speaker 2>the President have sought to erase a quarter of Harvard's

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<v Speaker 2>student body, international students, who contribute significantly to the university

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<v Speaker 2>and its mission and country. Without its international students, Harvard

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<v Speaker 2>is not Harvard. So I want to open up the

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<v Speaker 2>phone lines here. And I realize Harvard becomes an easy target.

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<v Speaker 2>And Harvard has made mistakes historically and has made mistakes

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<v Speaker 2>in recent years. But for the President to spend a

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<v Speaker 2>significant portion of his day worrying about Harvard, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're a bigger fish to fry again, including peace in

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East, what's going on with Iran needless needless

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<v Speaker 2>to say, the border needs to be tightened up. I

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<v Speaker 2>will give him credit for doing a good job in

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<v Speaker 2>the border. I want to hear from some of the

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<v Speaker 2>from some of you who are diehard Trump supporters, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>some of you who are diehard Trump opponents, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about the travel band beginning sometime

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<v Speaker 2>around ten o'clock. We will probably morph into that conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>That might not be as clean a break as normally.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just think, even if you're a current Trump

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<v Speaker 2>supporter or if you're a former Trump supporter, is this

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<v Speaker 2>what you're voted for? An attack on Harvard? I think

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<v Speaker 2>there are other colleges that are much worse than Harvard.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want why the focus on Harvard, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also don't think it's the right of the

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<v Speaker 2>government to tell a university who they can accept, who

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<v Speaker 2>they're allowed to even entertain. An application from that is

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<v Speaker 2>that is that is micro management. That is not the role,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, of the federal government whatsoever, whatsoever. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to open up the phone line six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten

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<v Speaker 2>thirty and let's have a civil conversation, as we always

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<v Speaker 2>try to do here on Nightside. Whatever your point of view,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hear from you on this, let's light

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<v Speaker 2>them up and we'll be right back right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>You may agree or disagree, it doesn't matter. All I

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<v Speaker 2>hear that you have a thought that you can express

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<v Speaker 2>on the radio, and we can have a conversation, hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>a civil one back on Nightside right after.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w

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<v Speaker 1>Z Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's get Roland here as we talk about Harvard University.

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<v Speaker 2>And again the president's just his focus on Harvard. He

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote in this this this order, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>this presidential proclamation. However, it's determined quote considering these facts,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, it's not in the interest of the United

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<v Speaker 2>States to further compound Harvard's discrimination against non preferred races,

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<v Speaker 2>national origin, shared ancestries, or religions by further reducing opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>for American students through excessive foreign student enrollment. Quote considering

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<v Speaker 2>these facts, I'm determined it is necessary to restrict the

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<v Speaker 2>entry of foreign nationals who seek to enter the United

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<v Speaker 2>States solely or principally, principally to participate in a course

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<v Speaker 2>of study at Harvard University or in an exchange visitor

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<v Speaker 2>program hosted by Harvard University. I think it's a misdirected focus.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see what you have to say. Let me go next.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to start it off here with Steven Cambridge. Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for calling in. I know, Dan strong feelings this

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't. I don't have terribly strong feelings. Have

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's what I would call that a euphemism.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of times words have meanings. Obviously, the term,

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<v Speaker 3>But it's it's imprecise the word international. A student is

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<v Speaker 3>Harvard always uses international student and Trump uses foreign student. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you're right on that. But now he's

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<v Speaker 3>Does it surprise you that? I mean you know that

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<v Speaker 3>go four years with Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>of the Trump administration. You know, the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>was talking today to the to the president of China,

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<v Speaker 2>Ziji Ping, that's a huge story. That's the story that

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it's a good story. The fact that they're just.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there was a point in time when it was

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<v Speaker 3>he just doesn't seem he can't get along with anybody

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<v Speaker 2>But beyond that, there's two things. There's that aspect of it. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>he could pick people who were who were very loyal

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Miller. Those types are very loyal to Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>And he could pick people who were very competent. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought of Mike Pimpeo Pope as a very competent Bill

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<v Speaker 3>General, Yes, very much, But he could not.

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<v Speaker 2>Pick people who were both confident and loyal. And the

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald Reagan, they all had people who were confident and

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<v Speaker 3>But I think again, just to close, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>think these people are loyal to Donald Trump, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Mike, Mike Pence was you know, loyal to Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Very loyal, very loyal. But but again I'm using, I

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<v Speaker 2>think loyalties are two way street. Okay, absolutely, so for example,

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<v Speaker 2>Obama's wingman, and literally I think would take a figurative

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<v Speaker 2>Obama administration very loyal, very very loyal, and in the

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan administration too, and on both sides, on both sides.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll stay. I mean, I it's if you want

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<v Speaker 2>the political dead like a phoenix, and now it's almost

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let's hope I as a Republican and as a

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<v Speaker 3>Trump voter, I certainly hope he posed through and has

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<v Speaker 3>some real successes, not only for him but for the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Okay, as an independent and who voted neither for

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<v Speaker 2>Harris nor for Trump, I still hold who of the

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<v Speaker 4>Same.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Thank you much, my friend. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk to take a quick break. One line at six one, seven, two,

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<v Speaker 1>Right after this, if You're on Night Side with Dan

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about President Trump's never ending war against Harvard University,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is a little much at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>It's becoming almost a personal vendetta. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it serves him well. I don't think it serves Harvard well.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh And I don't think it serves the cause, frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>of getting colleges to understand that they had gone in

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<v Speaker 2>a direction where they need to allow true free speech,

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<v Speaker 2>uh and and stifle violence that you know, speech is

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<v Speaker 2>one thing. Violence is unacceptable. No better, no better advocate

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<v Speaker 2>of that position than my friend Harvey silver It. Harvey,

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<v Speaker 2>you were next on Nightsacker, Right ahead, Dan, Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm calling for the second time this week. I can't

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<v Speaker 5>resist this. Abraham Lincoln famously had in his cabinet every

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<v Speaker 5>opponent of his the denomination m hm. He didn't he

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<v Speaker 5>didn't mind having different points of view. Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 5>surrounded by yes men. Elon Musk suddenly disagreed with Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think, Harry, I do think, Harvey, that that

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<v Speaker 2>some of the people in his cabinet now are are

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<v Speaker 5>By I'm not saying they're not good. I'm saying that

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<v Speaker 5>they all agree with him. They they yes men in

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<v Speaker 5>that respect. They may be talented, but the yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Men, well, Obama's cabinet was full of yes men. Who

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<v Speaker 2>who was in Obama's cabinet took Obama on? I mean

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<v Speaker 2>who who?

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<v Speaker 5>I understand?

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<v Speaker 2>Who in Kennedy's cabinet took Kennedy on? I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>just think that you can, you can be a good

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<v Speaker 2>president with a team of rivals. What you're referring to,

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<v Speaker 2>the Doris Currents book Goodwins Current's Goodwin book. Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 2>team of Yeah, I'm with you. I'm totally with you

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<v Speaker 2>on that. Okay, but he's not the only one who is.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's who had yes people?

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<v Speaker 5>I understand that. Let me let me get to my

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<v Speaker 5>point though. Let me get to my point. Mhm. He

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't care anything about higher education, he doesn't care about

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<v Speaker 5>anti Semitism. He cares about power. He is picking on

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<v Speaker 5>America's oldest, wealthiest was prestigious university because if he can

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<v Speaker 5>bring that to heal, he figures everyone else will fold.

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<v Speaker 5>Columbia Columbia folded, it's getting what it wants. Harvard has

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't care about antisemitis, he doesn't care about anything, doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>care about higher education. He cares about power. He who

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<v Speaker 5>wants to bring Harvard to heal.

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<v Speaker 2>His war against him A lot of I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>wasting a lot of political capital at a time when

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<v Speaker 2>there are more important issues.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree with that, but that is the explanation for

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<v Speaker 5>this war against Harvard. If Harvard would have caved in tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 5>this war would be over.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think Harvard's gonna cave and I think that, No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not gonna cave. He's gonna find at the end

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<v Speaker 5>Some I mean, Harvard will survive. It's only got four

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<v Speaker 5>dollars in doownment. They're going to have to dip into it.

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<v Speaker 5>But in the long run, Harvard will be much better off,

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<v Speaker 5>regardless of the punishment it takes. It can afford to

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's unnecessary at this point, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's something agree with you, Yeah, I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand it. I mean it's it's like.

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<v Speaker 5>What I'm saying you. Yeah, Dan, what I'm saying is,

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<v Speaker 5>I think I do understand it. It's about raw power.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I got your point, and and you had, i know,

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<v Speaker 2>crossed swords with him politically in your life as an

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<v Speaker 2>from us. So I value your perspective and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>disagree with it. Harvey, I gotta keep rolling here. I

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<v Speaker 2>got a bunch of calls. Thanks as always for joining us,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it is the second time. Sweet Thanks Harvey.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we lost we lost the bell. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>go to Okay, let me go to Mike and brighton

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<v Speaker 4>Uh Are you are? You were about news about like

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<v Speaker 4>like CNN? Says uh. Two Chinese researchers I charged with

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<v Speaker 2>Very very aware of that story.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, Yes, I am, well. Uh to me, to me,

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<v Speaker 4>that that that tells me, that tells me all all

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<v Speaker 4>everywhere and kicked out of the country there.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the science departments at Harvard who department right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I got to need about that. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. So if he signed a document

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<v Speaker 2>today that said he is going to say that it

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<v Speaker 2>was you just said that all students coming to not

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you one thousand percent. But he's now talking

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<v Speaker 2>about painting with a broad brush. He now wants to

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<v Speaker 2>stop everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay in that part. Then then there's the Then

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<v Speaker 4>there's the anti Semitism, you know, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the all the all the you know, the the Muslims groups.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean again, by the way, you know what, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I lived near this area, and I've seen this for

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<v Speaker 4>a second time at cooler at coolest corner, a whole

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<v Speaker 4>pile of people with with all of a sudden gathered

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<v Speaker 4>with signs free Palestine, gas is, gas is starving, Honks Palestine.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this, Mike. The president of Harvard

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<v Speaker 2>is a guy named Alan Garbin. You know what his

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<v Speaker 2>what his religious background.

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<v Speaker 4>Is probably Jewish?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. What percentage of Harvard's professors do you think are Jewish?

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty probably have the number, but a pretty significant amount.

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<v Speaker 2>And many of them were up in arms over what happened. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And Harvard has indicated to the White House in a

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<v Speaker 2>letter of April fifteenth, I believe is a data letter.

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<v Speaker 2>I can go back and check it, in which they

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<v Speaker 2>have made a whole bunch of concessions. Okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what he wants. You know, we can

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<v Speaker 2>move from Do you think that it's okay.

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<v Speaker 4>To well, I said, I said, I said, well, I said,

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<v Speaker 4>the combination to anti semitism plus it's plus threat threat

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<v Speaker 4>from China actually killing people with I got.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Mike, Mike, I got that. We had a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about that, and I agreed with you on that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>But now, how do you take the threat of the

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<v Speaker 2>c C p uh sending some materials to a to

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<v Speaker 2>a graduate student at the University of Michigan. How do

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<v Speaker 2>you extrapolate that into a ban on all foreign students,

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<v Speaker 2>all international students at Harvard.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, well, well, the the other the non the non

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<v Speaker 4>the non Chinese would be then would be the the

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<v Speaker 4>the anti Semitism. That's all I would say that.

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<v Speaker 2>So if they're if they're not members of the Communist Party,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're foreign students coming to America, they must be

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semite.

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<v Speaker 4>You kidding me, You must be. But but but anybody,

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<v Speaker 4>but anybody that's found that's found to be you know

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<v Speaker 4>that that can be on a case by case basis.

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<v Speaker 2>You've hit it nail on the head. It's on a

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<v Speaker 2>case by case basis. You don't go in and and

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<v Speaker 2>say we're going to get rid of everybody It's like

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<v Speaker 2>if all of a sudden, some neighbor of yours is

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<v Speaker 2>arrested for murder, do we say, well, Mike lives in

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<v Speaker 2>a bad neighborhood, and there may be other murderers. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>go in and arrest everybody in Brighton, and bullet chose

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<v Speaker 2>him a murder.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, well, well, I think what happened there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is just pointing outrage, you know, at the at

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<v Speaker 4>the Molotov cocktail. You know, you know, maybe he's overreacting

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<v Speaker 4>on that one. But I don't think the moltime blame.

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<v Speaker 2>What he should do then, I guess, is he should

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<v Speaker 2>have He should have written a uh proclamation or issued

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<v Speaker 2>a presidential order preventing any foreign students or anyone from Egypt,

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<v Speaker 2>or anyone's whose name was Muhammad, or anyone who whatever

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<v Speaker 2>from going to a university in Colorado. I mean, that

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen. That happened two thousand miles away in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>not at Harvard. Mike, I think you get my point.

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<v Speaker 2>I get yours. I don't think we're ever going to agree,

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<v Speaker 2>but I appreciate the gentility of the conversation. Thank you much.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, have a great night.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back on Night's Side. Got a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of open lines six one, seven, two, five, four, ten

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<v Speaker 2>thirty and one at six one seven, nine, three, one

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. We're eventually going to talk about the travel ban,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think in some cases there are some countries

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm favorably inclined towards that. But again, twelve countries

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<v Speaker 2>or now they're talking about possibly twelve countries a full

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<v Speaker 2>travel ban and six a limited travel ban. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to our phone calls right after the break. Let's fill

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<v Speaker 2>these lines up. I think it's important for you to

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<v Speaker 2>express your opinion tonight, particularly if you've never called this

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<v Speaker 2>radio show before.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back on Nightside, Night Side, Dan Ray, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>WBZ Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, back we go. Let me go to Tina in

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<v Speaker 2>Rhode Island. Tina, appreciate your patience. You're next on nightsigadhead. Tina.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yes, Jan, this is a great program tonight. All

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<v Speaker 6>your callers are in great and this is my take

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<v Speaker 6>on on Trump and Havid. First of all, I agree

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<v Speaker 6>with some of your other callers HAVEVID is not anti semitic.

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<v Speaker 6>And another thing, you know, COVID kind of leans to

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<v Speaker 6>the left, and so Trump is also afraid. He thinks

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<v Speaker 6>all these international students who who will come to HAVEVID

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<v Speaker 6>or who have been there, He's afraid his in his

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<v Speaker 6>paranoid mind, that they are going to end up being

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<v Speaker 6>terrorists and bomb throwers and wanting to bring down the

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<v Speaker 6>United States. But the intelligentsia that comes over here from

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<v Speaker 6>other countries, that they're not that class. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 6>We're here to get an education. And another thing about Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me make let me make it one comment, Okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm certain that there are people who come to this

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<v Speaker 2>country under the cover of a number of ways, including

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<v Speaker 2>being a student, who come here with malign intent. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>But that's why we have the FBI, that's why we

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<v Speaker 2>have the CIA, that's why we have the National security agencies.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we have all of the apparatus in this

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<v Speaker 2>country which is supposed to help protect us. To find

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<v Speaker 2>the people who are coming here with malign intents. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>And one other thing about Trump is that he's the

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<v Speaker 6>kind of person he always says, oh if if if

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<v Speaker 6>somebody hurts me, if somebody does something me, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna come back ten times. Is worse. Well, hobbit

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<v Speaker 6>is standing up to Trump. You know, Trump doesn't like

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<v Speaker 6>it when people stand up to him, and he just

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<v Speaker 6>wants to crush Havid.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Oh so I think you've expressed yourself well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that he must not have enough confidence

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<v Speaker 2>in his own FBI and people who he's appointed to

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<v Speaker 2>the head of CIA and the National Security Council. All

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<v Speaker 2>of those groups are there to protect us.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh. And I don't think paranoid.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Thanks, Thanks Tina. Okay, just remember they're not

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<v Speaker 2>paranoid if they're really after you, right, only kidding, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a joke. Go ahead, you have a great night.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go to George, who is in Fitsburg, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome George, how are you well? If George isn't there,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna put George on hold and welcome back to George.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the meantime, let me go to Francis. Francis,

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<v Speaker 2>you are next on nightside. Go right ahead, Francis. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's zero for two. Okay, well it should be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna put you on hold. Maybe you can help Francis

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<v Speaker 2>figure out which end of the phone. We're gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>to Steve in Virginia Beach. I'll bet you Steve is there.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope he is.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, Steve, Hi, Yes, Hi, I'm here.

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<v Speaker 2>That you're there, Steve. Thanks for calling in. Go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah I called.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm a second time.

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<v Speaker 2>Caller, all right, but we appreciate your calling. Go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 7>That's all right. And well you were very nice and

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<v Speaker 7>I enjoy your show and a lot of what you're hearing.

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<v Speaker 7>If you're sirens here in Virginia Beach. Ab outside walking by,

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<v Speaker 7>you mentioned you love Cocker spaniels, So I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 7>doing it on the spot here phone call. But I

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<v Speaker 7>have to agree with a lot of your callers tonight.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's sort of like what I mentioned when I

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<v Speaker 7>called last time, which was the Trump's sledgehammer approach. There's

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<v Speaker 7>a flea in the house, let's get the sledgehammer out.

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<v Speaker 7>And I don't you know he does that with everything.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know I mentioned about the big picture last time.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, you see, we get caught up on all

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<v Speaker 7>these little stories. Well, if you don't have you call

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<v Speaker 7>him little, some are big. But you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 7>But what does this all mean? And I think the

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<v Speaker 7>guy that called recently tonight, it's about power from the

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<v Speaker 7>administration and that freedoms. You know, I wake up every

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<v Speaker 7>morning and I say, okay, what freedoms are now being

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<v Speaker 7>threatened today that we didn't hear about yesterday? And sure enough,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, this is the travel band and the Harvard.

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<v Speaker 2>Will talk about the travel band, I promise you, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll also tell you that there are some companies

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<v Speaker 2>that are on that travel band list that I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>happy about having people arriving from those countries right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And amongst those countries are and I can I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>pull them up here. I didn't intend to get to

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<v Speaker 2>them this this quickly. But here's here's some of the

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<v Speaker 2>countries that are that are that are would be on

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<v Speaker 2>this list. Afghanistan, I'm not looking for anybody coming here

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<v Speaker 2>from Afghanistan at this point. Uh Iran, you want people

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<v Speaker 2>from Iran coming here right now? Samal Ya Yemen. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of countries around there. Cuba, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really sorry, but these are countries that that they

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<v Speaker 2>don't let their good people leave, they export their bad people.

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<v Speaker 7>I agree to some extent. I mean, I still think

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<v Speaker 7>it's a case by case. I think, you know, looking

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<v Speaker 7>into who's traveling. But here's the thing. When they had

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<v Speaker 7>the Russian travel ban, people would go to other countries

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<v Speaker 7>in like North Africa and then travel to the US.

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<v Speaker 7>So I don't know if that's going to completely you

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<v Speaker 7>know what I mean, maybe they could check with their

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<v Speaker 7>passport what country they started from, but people.

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<v Speaker 2>Will conno unless you have I mean, if you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to come here from Iran, I think you may have

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<v Speaker 2>a tough time getting a passport in Sweden. I think I.

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<v Speaker 7>Just yeah, so, yeah, yeah, But I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Just saying that. Look, I'm not happy about if there

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<v Speaker 2>are people from those countries who really want to get

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<v Speaker 2>out and come to America. I'm concerned about those folks.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, I got to be careful

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm the president of the United States. So the

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<v Speaker 2>travel band I have less strong feelings about. And we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk more about that on the other side of the

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<v Speaker 2>ten o'clock news here.

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<v Speaker 1>I promise that's true too.

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<v Speaker 7>But you know, can I just do we have a

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<v Speaker 7>minute or so.

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<v Speaker 2>Or are you going for You gotta be quick, Steve, because.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, real quickly, this isn't about well like if he's uh,

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<v Speaker 7>people coming across the border were wealthy and had crypto.

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<v Speaker 7>I think Donald would would you know, want them here.

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<v Speaker 7>But it's only the poor people he doesn't like really,

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<v Speaker 7>and of course the dangerous people too. But whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know how many people are coming in

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<v Speaker 2>from Afghanistan with you know, fifty million dollars. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>i'd be.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, that's it, that's it if they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we got to look real carefully. We've

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<v Speaker 2>lost a lot of people. Look what happened to the

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<v Speaker 2>people with this guy who wove States visa from UH

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<v Speaker 2>from Egypt. The bottom line is the last four years

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<v Speaker 2>it's been the wild wild West. It's it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>get a little tough to clean it up UH. And

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<v Speaker 2>I will support him when he when he tries to

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<v Speaker 2>clean it up correctly, but I'll also criticize him when

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<v Speaker 2>I think he denies people rights and is expending his

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<v Speaker 2>political capital improperly.

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<v Speaker 7>Steph, I agree. I agree with a lot what you said,

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<v Speaker 7>just case by case would be more Christian and everything.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you. See you've got to go all right, You're welcome,

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<v Speaker 5>great coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay for those of you in the line, Dean, George

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<v Speaker 2>and Christian, you stay right there. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>we lost those other callers, but we'll make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>we get them all set ready to go. On the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of the ten o'clock News