Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z Radio.
Speaker 2: Before we get to our subjects at hand, and the
Speaker 2: subject at hand this hour will be President Trump's proclamation
Speaker 2: barring foreign students from attending Harvard and I just think
Speaker 2: this is way over the top, But we'll get to
Speaker 2: all of that. I got a couple of personal announcements
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Speaker 2: and I hope he will be surprised. Also, on a
Speaker 2: personal note, I spent much of the morning at the
Speaker 2: Museum of Fine Arts. I was at a program that
Speaker 2: was sponsored by a company called Day of AI. I
Speaker 2: think all of us have heard a lot about artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: I joke and I say, I'm always waiting for some
Speaker 2: real intelligence, but very impressive presentation. Students from two Boston
Speaker 2: high schools were there today. Many of them had participated
Speaker 2: from East Boston High School in Brooke High School. These
Speaker 2: are two schools that had presented AI generated self portraits
Speaker 2: in a gallery style walkthrough with guests at the Museum
Speaker 2: of Fine Arts. There also were some of the real
Speaker 2: brainiacs associated with this group, professors from places like MIT
Speaker 2: and Carnegie Mellon and the whole purpose of Day of
Speaker 2: AI as I understand it is. They are trying to
Speaker 2: develop a curriculum in conjunction with MI T, with mi
Speaker 2: T raise in the day of AI. They were the
Speaker 2: sponsors of this program today at the Museum of Fine
Speaker 2: Arts in Boston, which is just such an asset to
Speaker 2: our community. If you haven't been to the Museum of
Speaker 2: Fine Arts lately, make that put that on your calendar
Speaker 2: to do this summertime, either with friends or with visitors
Speaker 2: to Boston. It is just such a great asset of
Speaker 2: greater Boston and for that matter, for the entire region
Speaker 2: of New England anyway. It was a very impressive performance.
Speaker 2: A lot of young people there is hope. Great students
Speaker 2: from East Boston High School and Brooke High School met
Speaker 2: with NYU professor Safina Ali, she's an MIT alum. There
Speaker 2: was also researcher Boston artist educator and researcher. When you there,
Speaker 2: make sure that AI learning is more accessible to students.
Speaker 2: And it's amazing the more that you learn about again
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence, what impact is going to have on all
Speaker 2: of our lives in so many different ways. And it's
Speaker 2: very important that young people who will be the future.
Speaker 2: That's the way it works in this country. This was
Speaker 2: the fourth annual Day of AI celebration at the Museum
Speaker 2: of Fine Arts in conjunction with Day of Ai and
Speaker 2: also with MI t Rays and I in the spirit
Speaker 2: of full disclosure, my namesake son, Dan Ray the third
Speaker 2: is an executive with the Day of AI and their
Speaker 2: goal is to make sure that students at public schools
Speaker 2: across America are exposed to the learning how to use
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence as competently. They're trying to develop curriculum for
Speaker 2: these schools that the public school students will get as
Speaker 2: much exposure and education in this concept of artificial intelligence
Speaker 2: creative expression, develop a curriculum. There are a lot of
Speaker 2: the private schools, Yeah, their students will be exposed to it.
Speaker 2: But the Day of AI organization, which is associated with
Speaker 2: MIT and with MIT rays, they're concerned about students across
Speaker 2: the educational spectrum, not only in private schools, but also
Speaker 2: even more importantly in public schools. So that's where I
Speaker 2: was today, and I got to tell you I learned
Speaker 2: a lot. I learned a lot just sitting and listening.
Speaker 2: There was such really fascinating people who were there, Just
Speaker 2: an amazing group of people and an amazing group of
Speaker 2: high school students. So hats off to those students from
Speaker 2: East Boston High School and the Brook High School, and
Speaker 2: to their teachers as well. These kids really impressed me
Speaker 2: and restored, as it occasionally needs to be restored, my
Speaker 2: faith in the future. Now, let's talk about the immediate future.
Speaker 2: The immediate future, of course, is everything that President Trump
Speaker 2: is doing now. I guess President Trump had a conversation
Speaker 2: today with the president of China, Jijiping about tariffs, which
Speaker 2: is a good thing. Okay, let's get that such a
Speaker 2: situation settled. I believe that yesterday he talked with Vladimir Putin,
Speaker 2: who has expressed some intention to have some revenge for
Speaker 2: the attack that the Surprise attack some have called that
Speaker 2: actually Russia's Pearl Harbor that Ukraine was able to execute
Speaker 2: over the weekend. They had one hundred drones which were
Speaker 2: basically brought in by truck. It looked as if the
Speaker 2: drones were simply in modular housing crates, but when the
Speaker 2: tops of those crates were removed, the drones, like wasps
Speaker 2: or hornets or whatever, were programmed to go to their
Speaker 2: targets and they knocked out a lot of Russian planes
Speaker 2: so that is something that is a good thing, including
Speaker 2: some of the nuclear bombers of Russia. But the President
Speaker 2: seems really focused, which I don't understand, on Harvard, and
Speaker 2: he has now issued a proclamation, presidential proclamation, presidential order,
Speaker 2: whatever they want to call it, to bar foreign nationals
Speaker 2: from entering the country if they're coming here for the
Speaker 2: purpose of studying at Harvard University. He also later on
Speaker 2: today he has instituted a new travel ban. Some would
Speaker 2: say it's a resumption of the travel ban that he
Speaker 2: tried to institute back in twenty seventeen. We'll get into
Speaker 2: all of that in the ten o'clock hour. But this
Speaker 2: is a busy president which he has a lot on
Speaker 2: his plate. And why he seems so focused on Harvard.
Speaker 2: I have read the documentation between the White House and Harvard,
Speaker 2: and more importantly, between Harvard and the White House, and
Speaker 2: the White House has seemed to have acknowledged that young
Speaker 2: mistakes had been made and that correction act corrective actions
Speaker 2: are under way at Harvard to correct those mistakes. But
Speaker 2: to turn around now and to again attempt to punish
Speaker 2: Harvard and the rationale. The rationale according to the President,
Speaker 2: he wrote yesterday our adversaries, including the People's Republic of China,
Speaker 2: try to take advantage of American hiring education by exploiting
Speaker 2: the student visa program for improper purposes and by using
Speaker 2: visiting students to collect information at elite universities in the
Speaker 2: United States. Well, that might be true, and I think
Speaker 2: that they need to. That's why we have the CIA
Speaker 2: and the FBI to make sure that those efforts are frustrated,
Speaker 2: and whether they're coming from China or from somewhere else,
Speaker 2: they're frustrated. Harvard's lawyers today have written they filed an
Speaker 2: amendment to a filing that's already before federal court, saying,
Speaker 2: with the struggle of a pen, the DHS Secretary and
Speaker 2: the President have sought to erase a quarter of Harvard's
Speaker 2: student body, international students, who contribute significantly to the university
Speaker 2: and its mission and country. Without its international students, Harvard
Speaker 2: is not Harvard. So I want to open up the
Speaker 2: phone lines here. And I realize Harvard becomes an easy target.
Speaker 2: And Harvard has made mistakes historically and has made mistakes
Speaker 2: in recent years. But for the President to spend a
Speaker 2: significant portion of his day worrying about Harvard, I think
Speaker 2: they're a bigger fish to fry again, including peace in
Speaker 2: the Middle East, what's going on with Iran needless needless
Speaker 2: to say, the border needs to be tightened up. I
Speaker 2: will give him credit for doing a good job in
Speaker 2: the border. I want to hear from some of the
Speaker 2: from some of you who are diehard Trump supporters, that's fine,
Speaker 2: some of you who are diehard Trump opponents, that's fine.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the travel band beginning sometime
Speaker 2: around ten o'clock. We will probably morph into that conversation.
Speaker 2: That might not be as clean a break as normally.
Speaker 2: But I just think, even if you're a current Trump
Speaker 2: supporter or if you're a former Trump supporter, is this
Speaker 2: what you're voted for? An attack on Harvard? I think
Speaker 2: there are other colleges that are much worse than Harvard.
Speaker 2: If you want why the focus on Harvard, I don't know.
Speaker 2: And I also don't think it's the right of the
Speaker 2: government to tell a university who they can accept, who
Speaker 2: they're allowed to even entertain. An application from that is
Speaker 2: that is that is micro management. That is not the role,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, of the federal government whatsoever, whatsoever. So
Speaker 2: I'm going to open up the phone line six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten
Speaker 2: thirty and let's have a civil conversation, as we always
Speaker 2: try to do here on Nightside. Whatever your point of view,
Speaker 2: I want to hear from you on this, let's light
Speaker 2: them up and we'll be right back right after this.
Speaker 2: You may agree or disagree, it doesn't matter. All I
Speaker 2: hear that you have a thought that you can express
Speaker 2: on the radio, and we can have a conversation, hopefully
Speaker 2: a civil one back on Nightside right after.
Speaker 1: If you're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w
Speaker 1: Z Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get Roland here as we talk about Harvard University.
Speaker 2: And again the president's just his focus on Harvard. He
Speaker 2: he wrote in this this this order, if you will,
Speaker 2: this presidential proclamation. However, it's determined quote considering these facts,
Speaker 2: he says, it's not in the interest of the United
Speaker 2: States to further compound Harvard's discrimination against non preferred races,
Speaker 2: national origin, shared ancestries, or religions by further reducing opportunities
Speaker 2: for American students through excessive foreign student enrollment. Quote considering
Speaker 2: these facts, I'm determined it is necessary to restrict the
Speaker 2: entry of foreign nationals who seek to enter the United
Speaker 2: States solely or principally, principally to participate in a course
Speaker 2: of study at Harvard University or in an exchange visitor
Speaker 2: program hosted by Harvard University. I think it's a misdirected focus.
Speaker 2: We'll see what you have to say. Let me go next.
Speaker 2: I'm going to start it off here with Steven Cambridge. Steve,
Speaker 2: thanks for calling in. I know, Dan strong feelings this
Speaker 2: ad o.
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't have terribly strong feelings. Have
Speaker 3: you noticed, though, the euphemism that has become very popular.
Speaker 3: We don't call foreign students, Like when I was in
Speaker 3: high school, we had a foreign student exchange. Now you
Speaker 3: don't use that word anymore. You use international student. And
Speaker 3: I mean, really, there is no such thing as an
Speaker 3: international student. An international student doesn't come from many countries.
Speaker 3: He or she comes from one country.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I would call that a euphemism.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times words have meanings. Obviously, the term,
Speaker 2: you know, illegal aliens has been morphed into terms about
Speaker 2: undocumented immigrants, and you know it's it's whoever phrases the
Speaker 2: argument or whoever, whoever.
Speaker 3: But it's it's imprecise the word international. A student is
Speaker 3: coming from one or one country. The student is not
Speaker 3: coming from many countries in the exchange, agree with you?
Speaker 3: Harvard always uses international student and Trump uses foreign student. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I wish Trump, would you know,
Speaker 3: I wish Trump would focus on what is important in
Speaker 3: the country right now, in the two wars that are
Speaker 3: going on abroad and this whole tariff business. But I
Speaker 3: guess Trump wouldn't be Trump if he didn't go off
Speaker 3: in multiple, multiple directions.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you're right on that. But now he's
Speaker 2: in a firefight with Elon Musk, and Musk today opened
Speaker 2: up a front by suggesting that Trump was named in
Speaker 2: the Epstein files, And well, yeah, did you not know that?
Speaker 2: Did you know?
Speaker 3: I kind of heard whiff of that, yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and basically Musk is now claiming that the
Speaker 2: reason that the Epstein files have not become public because
Speaker 2: of that. Oh yeah, he's uh, Musk is Musk is
Speaker 2: going to war. And I just think, to myself, how
Speaker 2: does that happen? You know, everybody can.
Speaker 3: Does it surprise you that? I mean you know that
Speaker 3: I knew I knew that it was just a matter.
Speaker 3: I'm just hoping that jd. Vance will be able to
Speaker 3: go four years with Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. At this point, Van's future political future,
Speaker 2: I think is inextricably intertwined with the success or failure
Speaker 2: of the Trump administration. You know, the fact that he
Speaker 2: was talking today to the to the president of China,
Speaker 2: Ziji Ping, that's a huge story. That's the story that
Speaker 2: should be leading the newscast.
Speaker 3: That's not And that's a good story if they can
Speaker 3: come to some agreement, of course it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's a good story. The fact that they're just.
Speaker 3: Talking number one, Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2: Because there was a point in time when it was
Speaker 2: pretty clear they weren't talking. Steve, It's it's perplexing to me.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it shouldn't be because it's Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: you know. And but I mean, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: he just doesn't seem he can't get along with anybody
Speaker 3: for more than a year or two, it seems, and
Speaker 3: then it's their their mortal enemies.
Speaker 2: But beyond that, there's two things. There's that aspect of it. Okay.
Speaker 2: I used to say of the Trump administration, he could
Speaker 2: he could pick people who were who were very loyal
Speaker 2: Steve Miller. Those types are very loyal to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And he could pick people who were very competent. I
Speaker 2: thought of Mike Pimpeo Pope as a very competent Bill
Speaker 2: Barr as an attorney.
Speaker 3: General, Yes, very much, But he could not.
Speaker 2: Pick people who were both confident and loyal. And the
Speaker 2: great presidents have always had around them. And whether you
Speaker 2: they're Democrats or Republicans, you know, President Obama, whether he's
Speaker 2: a good president, great president, wherever you put him, Bill Clinton,
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan, they all had people who were confident and
Speaker 2: loyal and for some reason.
Speaker 3: But I think again, just to close, I mean, I
Speaker 3: think these people are loyal to Donald Trump, but he's
Speaker 3: not loyal to them. I mean, I think Bill Barr,
Speaker 3: you know, is a straight shooter, and I think, you know,
Speaker 3: there was no reason for and I think I think
Speaker 3: Mike Mike, Mike Pence was you know, loyal to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Very loyal, very loyal. But but again I'm using, I
Speaker 2: think loyalties are two way street. Okay, absolutely, so for example,
Speaker 2: if you compare let us say, uh, President Obama's Attorney general,
Speaker 2: Eric Holder, you know, Holder described himself as a president
Speaker 2: Obama's wingman, and literally I think would take a figurative
Speaker 2: or a literal bullet, and others in the in the
Speaker 2: Obama administration very loyal, very very loyal, and in the
Speaker 2: Reagan administration too, and on both sides, on both sides.
Speaker 2: But we'll stay. I mean, I it's if you want
Speaker 2: to call it, it's it's. It's sort of like a
Speaker 2: president who had a great opportunity printed it away one time,
Speaker 2: was able to come back from the political rise from
Speaker 2: the political dead like a phoenix, and now it's almost
Speaker 2: like Trump all over again.
Speaker 3: Well, let's hope I as a Republican and as a
Speaker 3: Trump voter, I certainly hope he posed through and has
Speaker 3: some real successes, not only for him but for the country.
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, as an independent and who voted neither for
Speaker 2: Harris nor for Trump, I still hold who of the
Speaker 2: president is successful, because if the president is successful, the
Speaker 2: country will be successful.
Speaker 4: Same.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Thank you much, my friend. We'll
Speaker 2: talk to take a quick break. One line at six one, seven, two,
Speaker 2: five four to ten thirty. One line at six one seven,
Speaker 2: nine three one ten thirty back on night side.
Speaker 1: Right after this, if You're on Night Side with Dan
Speaker 1: Ray on WZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: We're talking about President Trump's never ending war against Harvard University,
Speaker 2: which I think is a little much at this point.
Speaker 2: It's becoming almost a personal vendetta. And I don't think
Speaker 2: it serves him well. I don't think it serves Harvard well.
Speaker 2: Uh And I don't think it serves the cause, frankly,
Speaker 2: of getting colleges to understand that they had gone in
Speaker 2: a direction where they need to allow true free speech,
Speaker 2: uh and and stifle violence that you know, speech is
Speaker 2: one thing. Violence is unacceptable. No better, no better advocate
Speaker 2: of that position than my friend Harvey silver It. Harvey,
Speaker 2: you were next on Nightsacker, Right ahead, Dan, Yes, sir.
Speaker 5: I'm calling for the second time this week. I can't
Speaker 5: resist this. Abraham Lincoln famously had in his cabinet every
Speaker 5: opponent of his the denomination m hm. He didn't he
Speaker 5: didn't mind having different points of view. Donald Trump is
Speaker 5: surrounded by yes men. Elon Musk suddenly disagreed with Trump,
Speaker 5: and now he's being attacked Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I do think, Harry, I do think, Harvey, that that
Speaker 2: some of the people in his cabinet now are are
Speaker 2: pretty good. I think Marco Rubio was was confirmed.
Speaker 5: By I'm not saying they're not good. I'm saying that
Speaker 5: they all agree with him. They they yes men in
Speaker 5: that respect. They may be talented, but the yes.
Speaker 2: Men, well, Obama's cabinet was full of yes men. Who
Speaker 2: who was in Obama's cabinet took Obama on? I mean
Speaker 2: who who?
Speaker 5: I understand?
Speaker 2: Who in Kennedy's cabinet took Kennedy on? I mean, I
Speaker 2: just think that you can, you can be a good
Speaker 2: president with a team of rivals. What you're referring to,
Speaker 2: the Doris Currents book Goodwins Current's Goodwin book. Yeah, a
Speaker 2: team of Yeah, I'm with you. I'm totally with you
Speaker 2: on that. Okay, but he's not the only one who is.
Speaker 2: Who's who had yes people?
Speaker 5: I understand that. Let me let me get to my
Speaker 5: point though. Let me get to my point. Mhm. He
Speaker 5: doesn't care anything about higher education, he doesn't care about
Speaker 5: anti Semitism. He cares about power. He is picking on
Speaker 5: America's oldest, wealthiest was prestigious university because if he can
Speaker 5: bring that to heal, he figures everyone else will fold.
Speaker 5: Columbia Columbia folded, it's getting what it wants. Harvard has
Speaker 5: refused to fold. And what he is doing that he
Speaker 5: doesn't care about antisemitis, he doesn't care about anything, doesn't
Speaker 5: care about higher education. He cares about power. He who
Speaker 5: wants to bring Harvard to heal.
Speaker 2: His war against him A lot of I think he's
Speaker 2: wasting a lot of political capital at a time when
Speaker 2: there are more important issues.
Speaker 5: I agree with that, but that is the explanation for
Speaker 5: this war against Harvard. If Harvard would have caved in tomorrow,
Speaker 5: this war would be over.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think Harvard's gonna cave and I think that, No,
Speaker 2: it's not gonna cave. He's gonna find at the end
Speaker 2: of the day.
Speaker 5: Some I mean, Harvard will survive. It's only got four
Speaker 5: years to go. They have a huge sixty something billion
Speaker 5: dollars in doownment. They're going to have to dip into it.
Speaker 5: But in the long run, Harvard will be much better off,
Speaker 5: regardless of the punishment it takes. It can afford to
Speaker 5: take punishment.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's unnecessary at this point, and I think
Speaker 2: it's something agree with you, Yeah, I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: understand it. I mean it's it's like.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying you. Yeah, Dan, what I'm saying is,
Speaker 5: I think I do understand it. It's about raw power.
Speaker 2: No, I got your point, and and you had, i know,
Speaker 2: crossed swords with him politically in your life as an
Speaker 2: attorney representing clients on the other side of the table
Speaker 2: from us. So I value your perspective and I don't
Speaker 2: disagree with it. Harvey, I gotta keep rolling here. I
Speaker 2: got a bunch of calls. Thanks as always for joining us,
Speaker 2: even if it is the second time. Sweet Thanks Harvey.
Speaker 2: I think we lost we lost the bell. Let me
Speaker 2: go to Okay, let me go to Mike and brighton
Speaker 2: Mike here next time.
Speaker 4: All Yeah, you know I'm gonna cover both topics at once.
Speaker 4: Uh Are you are? You were about news about like
Speaker 4: like CNN? Says uh. Two Chinese researchers I charged with
Speaker 4: smuggling biological pathoge and to study at University of Michigan Land.
Speaker 2: Very very aware of that story.
Speaker 4: Yep, Yes, I am, well. Uh to me, to me,
Speaker 4: to me, that's that's that's the last straw, the the
Speaker 4: that that that tells me, that tells me all all
Speaker 4: Chinese students who are who are connected to the c
Speaker 4: c P need to be kicked, kicked out of Harvard
Speaker 4: everywhere and kicked out of the country there.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: They're real danger.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't disagree with you on that, Mike, I would
Speaker 2: I would be in agreement with you. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, there was a professor who was a head
Speaker 2: of the apartment. I forget which department. I think it
Speaker 2: was one of the science departments at Harvard who department right,
Speaker 2: who was united served some time here, was released and
Speaker 2: he now has a teaching post at a university in China.
Speaker 2: That's all I got to need about that. But that's
Speaker 2: all I need to know about that guy. He was
Speaker 2: living in the Boston suburbs and he was basically spine.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. So if he signed a document
Speaker 2: today that said he is going to say that it
Speaker 2: was you just said that all students coming to not
Speaker 2: only Harvard, any university, as you just said, with ties
Speaker 2: or suspicions about their relationship with the Chinese Communist Party
Speaker 2: will be denied visas and denied entrance into the country.
Speaker 2: I'm with you one thousand percent. But he's now talking
Speaker 2: about painting with a broad brush. He now wants to
Speaker 2: stop everybody.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay in that part. Then then there's the Then
Speaker 4: there's the anti Semitism, you know, I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: the all the all the you know, the the Muslims groups.
Speaker 4: I mean again, by the way, you know what, you know,
Speaker 4: I lived near this area, and I've seen this for
Speaker 4: a second time at cooler at coolest corner, a whole
Speaker 4: pile of people with with all of a sudden gathered
Speaker 4: with signs free Palestine, gas is, gas is starving, Honks Palestine.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Mike. The president of Harvard
Speaker 2: is a guy named Alan Garbin. You know what his
Speaker 2: what his religious background.
Speaker 4: Is probably Jewish?
Speaker 2: Yeah. What percentage of Harvard's professors do you think are Jewish?
Speaker 2: Pretty probably have the number, but a pretty significant amount.
Speaker 2: And many of them were up in arms over what happened. Okay,
Speaker 2: And Harvard has indicated to the White House in a
Speaker 2: letter of April fifteenth, I believe is a data letter.
Speaker 2: I can go back and check it, in which they
Speaker 2: have made a whole bunch of concessions. Okay, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what he wants. You know, we can
Speaker 2: move from Do you think that it's okay.
Speaker 4: To well, I said, I said, I said, well, I said,
Speaker 4: the combination to anti semitism plus it's plus threat threat
Speaker 4: from China actually killing people with I got.
Speaker 2: That, Mike, Mike, I got that. We had a conversation
Speaker 2: about that, and I agreed with you on that. Okay,
Speaker 2: But now, how do you take the threat of the
Speaker 2: c C p uh sending some materials to a to
Speaker 2: a graduate student at the University of Michigan. How do
Speaker 2: you extrapolate that into a ban on all foreign students,
Speaker 2: all international students at Harvard.
Speaker 4: Well, well, well, the the other the non the non
Speaker 4: the non Chinese would be then would be the the
Speaker 4: the anti Semitism. That's all I would say that.
Speaker 2: So if they're if they're not members of the Communist Party,
Speaker 2: and they're foreign students coming to America, they must be
Speaker 2: anti Semite.
Speaker 4: You kidding me, You must be. But but but anybody,
Speaker 4: but anybody that's found that's found to be you know
Speaker 4: that that can be on a case by case basis.
Speaker 2: You've hit it nail on the head. It's on a
Speaker 2: case by case basis. You don't go in and and
Speaker 2: say we're going to get rid of everybody It's like
Speaker 2: if all of a sudden, some neighbor of yours is
Speaker 2: arrested for murder, do we say, well, Mike lives in
Speaker 2: a bad neighborhood, and there may be other murderers. Let's
Speaker 2: go in and arrest everybody in Brighton, and bullet chose
Speaker 2: him a murder.
Speaker 4: I mean, well, well, I think what happened there. I mean,
Speaker 4: Trump is just pointing outrage, you know, at the at
Speaker 4: the Molotov cocktail. You know, you know, maybe he's overreacting
Speaker 4: on that one. But I don't think the moltime blame.
Speaker 2: What he should do then, I guess, is he should
Speaker 2: have He should have written a uh proclamation or issued
Speaker 2: a presidential order preventing any foreign students or anyone from Egypt,
Speaker 2: or anyone's whose name was Muhammad, or anyone who whatever
Speaker 2: from going to a university in Colorado. I mean, that
Speaker 2: didn't happen. That happened two thousand miles away in Colorado,
Speaker 2: not at Harvard. Mike, I think you get my point.
Speaker 2: I get yours. I don't think we're ever going to agree,
Speaker 2: but I appreciate the gentility of the conversation. Thank you much.
Speaker 5: Okay, have a great night.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back on Night's Side. Got a couple
Speaker 2: of open lines six one, seven, two, five, four, ten
Speaker 2: thirty and one at six one seven, nine, three, one
Speaker 2: ten thirty. We're eventually going to talk about the travel ban,
Speaker 2: which I think in some cases there are some countries
Speaker 2: that I'm favorably inclined towards that. But again, twelve countries
Speaker 2: or now they're talking about possibly twelve countries a full
Speaker 2: travel ban and six a limited travel ban. We'll get
Speaker 2: to our phone calls right after the break. Let's fill
Speaker 2: these lines up. I think it's important for you to
Speaker 2: express your opinion tonight, particularly if you've never called this
Speaker 2: radio show before.
Speaker 1: We'll be back on Nightside, Night Side, Dan Ray, I'm
Speaker 1: WBZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, back we go. Let me go to Tina in
Speaker 2: Rhode Island. Tina, appreciate your patience. You're next on nightsigadhead. Tina.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, Jan, this is a great program tonight. All
Speaker 6: your callers are in great and this is my take
Speaker 6: on on Trump and Havid. First of all, I agree
Speaker 6: with some of your other callers HAVEVID is not anti semitic.
Speaker 6: And another thing, you know, COVID kind of leans to
Speaker 6: the left, and so Trump is also afraid. He thinks
Speaker 6: all these international students who who will come to HAVEVID
Speaker 6: or who have been there, He's afraid his in his
Speaker 6: paranoid mind, that they are going to end up being
Speaker 6: terrorists and bomb throwers and wanting to bring down the
Speaker 6: United States. But the intelligentsia that comes over here from
Speaker 6: other countries, that they're not that class. In my opinion,
Speaker 6: We're here to get an education. And another thing about Trump.
Speaker 2: Let me make let me make it one comment, Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: I'm certain that there are people who come to this
Speaker 2: country under the cover of a number of ways, including
Speaker 2: being a student, who come here with malign intent. Okay,
Speaker 2: But that's why we have the FBI, that's why we
Speaker 2: have the CIA, that's why we have the National security agencies.
Speaker 2: That's why we have all of the apparatus in this
Speaker 2: country which is supposed to help protect us. To find
Speaker 2: the people who are coming here with malign intents. Go ahead.
Speaker 6: And one other thing about Trump is that he's the
Speaker 6: kind of person he always says, oh if if if
Speaker 6: somebody hurts me, if somebody does something me, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: I'm gonna come back ten times. Is worse. Well, hobbit
Speaker 6: is standing up to Trump. You know, Trump doesn't like
Speaker 6: it when people stand up to him, and he just
Speaker 6: wants to crush Havid.
Speaker 2: All right, Oh so I think you've expressed yourself well.
Speaker 2: And I think that he must not have enough confidence
Speaker 2: in his own FBI and people who he's appointed to
Speaker 2: the head of CIA and the National Security Council. All
Speaker 2: of those groups are there to protect us.
Speaker 5: Uh. And I don't think paranoid.
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks, Thanks Tina. Okay, just remember they're not
Speaker 2: paranoid if they're really after you, right, only kidding, that's
Speaker 2: a joke. Go ahead, you have a great night.
Speaker 5: Okay, thanks.
Speaker 2: Let me go to George, who is in Fitsburg, Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Welcome George, how are you well? If George isn't there,
Speaker 2: we're gonna put George on hold and welcome back to George.
Speaker 2: And in the meantime, let me go to Francis. Francis,
Speaker 2: you are next on nightside. Go right ahead, Francis. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's zero for two. Okay, well it should be there.
Speaker 2: Gonna put you on hold. Maybe you can help Francis
Speaker 2: figure out which end of the phone. We're gonna go
Speaker 2: to Steve in Virginia Beach. I'll bet you Steve is there.
Speaker 2: I hope he is.
Speaker 7: Hey, Steve, Hi, Yes, Hi, I'm here.
Speaker 2: That you're there, Steve. Thanks for calling in. Go right ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah I called.
Speaker 7: I'm a second time.
Speaker 2: Caller, all right, but we appreciate your calling. Go right ahead.
Speaker 7: That's all right. And well you were very nice and
Speaker 7: I enjoy your show and a lot of what you're hearing.
Speaker 7: If you're sirens here in Virginia Beach. Ab outside walking by,
Speaker 7: you mentioned you love Cocker spaniels, So I'm kind of
Speaker 7: doing it on the spot here phone call. But I
Speaker 7: have to agree with a lot of your callers tonight.
Speaker 7: And it's sort of like what I mentioned when I
Speaker 7: called last time, which was the Trump's sledgehammer approach. There's
Speaker 7: a flea in the house, let's get the sledgehammer out.
Speaker 7: And I don't you know he does that with everything.
Speaker 7: And you know I mentioned about the big picture last time.
Speaker 7: You know, you see, we get caught up on all
Speaker 7: these little stories. Well, if you don't have you call
Speaker 7: him little, some are big. But you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: But what does this all mean? And I think the
Speaker 7: guy that called recently tonight, it's about power from the
Speaker 7: administration and that freedoms. You know, I wake up every
Speaker 7: morning and I say, okay, what freedoms are now being
Speaker 7: threatened today that we didn't hear about yesterday? And sure enough,
Speaker 7: you know, this is the travel band and the Harvard.
Speaker 2: Will talk about the travel band, I promise you, Steve.
Speaker 2: But I'll also tell you that there are some companies
Speaker 2: that are on that travel band list that I'm not
Speaker 2: happy about having people arriving from those countries right now.
Speaker 2: And amongst those countries are and I can I'm gonna
Speaker 2: pull them up here. I didn't intend to get to
Speaker 2: them this this quickly. But here's here's some of the
Speaker 2: countries that are that are that are would be on
Speaker 2: this list. Afghanistan, I'm not looking for anybody coming here
Speaker 2: from Afghanistan at this point. Uh Iran, you want people
Speaker 2: from Iran coming here right now? Samal Ya Yemen. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of countries around there. Cuba, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry, but these are countries that that they
Speaker 2: don't let their good people leave, they export their bad people.
Speaker 7: I agree to some extent. I mean, I still think
Speaker 7: it's a case by case. I think, you know, looking
Speaker 7: into who's traveling. But here's the thing. When they had
Speaker 7: the Russian travel ban, people would go to other countries
Speaker 7: in like North Africa and then travel to the US.
Speaker 7: So I don't know if that's going to completely you
Speaker 7: know what I mean, maybe they could check with their
Speaker 7: passport what country they started from, but people.
Speaker 2: Will conno unless you have I mean, if you're trying
Speaker 2: to come here from Iran, I think you may have
Speaker 2: a tough time getting a passport in Sweden. I think I.
Speaker 7: Just yeah, so, yeah, yeah, But I'm.
Speaker 2: Just saying that. Look, I'm not happy about if there
Speaker 2: are people from those countries who really want to get
Speaker 2: out and come to America. I'm concerned about those folks.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I got to be careful
Speaker 2: if I'm the president of the United States. So the
Speaker 2: travel band I have less strong feelings about. And we'll
Speaker 2: talk more about that on the other side of the
Speaker 2: ten o'clock news here.
Speaker 1: I promise that's true too.
Speaker 7: But you know, can I just do we have a
Speaker 7: minute or so.
Speaker 2: Or are you going for You gotta be quick, Steve, because.
Speaker 7: Okay, real quickly, this isn't about well like if he's uh,
Speaker 7: people coming across the border were wealthy and had crypto.
Speaker 7: I think Donald would would you know, want them here.
Speaker 7: But it's only the poor people he doesn't like really,
Speaker 7: and of course the dangerous people too. But whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how many people are coming in
Speaker 2: from Afghanistan with you know, fifty million dollars. I mean,
Speaker 2: i'd be.
Speaker 7: Well, that's it, that's it if they were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we got to look real carefully. We've
Speaker 2: lost a lot of people. Look what happened to the
Speaker 2: people with this guy who wove States visa from UH
Speaker 2: from Egypt. The bottom line is the last four years
Speaker 2: it's been the wild wild West. It's it's going to
Speaker 2: get a little tough to clean it up UH. And
Speaker 2: I will support him when he when he tries to
Speaker 2: clean it up correctly, but I'll also criticize him when
Speaker 2: I think he denies people rights and is expending his
Speaker 2: political capital improperly.
Speaker 7: Steph, I agree. I agree with a lot what you said,
Speaker 7: just case by case would be more Christian and everything.
Speaker 5: Thank you. See you've got to go all right, You're welcome,
Speaker 5: great coming back.
Speaker 2: Okay for those of you in the line, Dean, George
Speaker 2: and Christian, you stay right there. I don't know why
Speaker 2: we lost those other callers, but we'll make sure that
Speaker 2: we get them all set ready to go. On the
Speaker 2: other side of the ten o'clock News