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Speaker 3: I don't know what.
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Speaker 2: See, I passed out over the top of US.
Speaker 3: Ninety one one.
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Speaker 1: an unidentified object every liberty four call or calm on
Speaker 1: an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 5: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
Speaker 5: experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
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Speaker 4: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I hope you're
Speaker 4: all doing well this week. I'm Nick Hunter and it's
Speaker 4: the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight, we have blessed with the
Speaker 4: company of David Lovegrow and he comes to us from
Speaker 4: New South Wales in Australia. He has a couple of
Speaker 4: experiences for us, starting off with a childhood encounter from
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty five and an unusual meeting with an extremely
Speaker 4: beautiful redhead girl with very strange green eyes that told
Speaker 4: him she was not from Earth. David's experience was also
Speaker 4: included in Paul Wallace's book Echoes of Eden. David is
Speaker 4: a man of many talents and he runs the Viking
Speaker 4: Superpower's YouTube channel, which covers everything from the paranormal, spirituality
Speaker 4: and the mythology of the ancient Northern World and other cultures.
Speaker 4: David is a Viking age expert, a kung Fu master,
Speaker 4: and holds a Master of Arts degree in visual art.
Speaker 4: David is up next, but first, if you enjoy the
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Speaker 4: very much appreciated. Now on the show. Hello Dave, welcome
Speaker 4: to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Heither Nick. It's a very nice to be here.
Speaker 4: And you're calling from New South Wales in Australia.
Speaker 1: Yes, I certainly am from sunny northern New South Wales
Speaker 1: up nearby and Bay. Very beautiful part of the.
Speaker 4: World, wonderful stuff, a beautiful partner the world. Indeed, now
Speaker 4: you have some experiences you're going to be sharing us.
Speaker 4: Would you like to start at the beginning, please, sir?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the beginning for me, I didn't really I
Speaker 1: didn't know about flying sources until probably I saw the
Speaker 1: movie The Day the Earth Stood Still when I was
Speaker 1: a little fella and probably about five, and this is
Speaker 1: in the early sixties. Had a great impact on me.
Speaker 1: I think that movie started something as far as being
Speaker 1: open to this subject. But I remember I didn't have
Speaker 1: any kind of need to make up stories about it.
Speaker 1: I didn't sort of think, oh, I wish a flying
Speaker 1: saucer would come and see me. I was actually sort
Speaker 1: of terrified of the idea, and looking back that movie
Speaker 1: doesn't seem all that scary now, but it was very
Speaker 1: scary for us in the sixties, and several years ago
Speaker 1: I had this sudden recall of something that happened to
Speaker 1: me a little bit later after I saw that movie,
Speaker 1: probably about ninety sixty five. There was a period I
Speaker 1: I knew exactly when I've lived in this particular house
Speaker 1: in Brisbane, and there was a period between nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: four and ninety sixty seven, and I would you know,
Speaker 1: at that time, I would have been between five and
Speaker 1: nine years old. So this memory came back to me
Speaker 1: really strongly, and I actually told my wife about it.
Speaker 1: I said, I remembered something that happened to me as
Speaker 1: a kid that it hasn't exactly been lost, but so
Speaker 1: long ago. I hadn't thought about it for a long time.
Speaker 1: But I remember hiding in my bed as a little guy,
Speaker 1: pulling the sheets over my head and being quite terrified
Speaker 1: because I could hear a flying saucer outside my window.
Speaker 1: And what I remembered was this buzzing sound and it
Speaker 1: was very loud. And I lived in a place in Brisbane,
Speaker 1: the Archerfield Aerodrome, which was it used to be a
Speaker 1: US fighter base during the Sycmal War and the Australian
Speaker 1: Rural Australian Air Force used it, so we had all
Speaker 1: sorts of aircraft, and I was very, very interested in aircraft,
Speaker 1: so I knew the sounds of these old planes that
Speaker 1: the beatle around, you know, big old twin engine transports
Speaker 1: and lots of small planes used to fly at that time,
Speaker 1: and so I was I sort of knew the sounds
Speaker 1: of all the aeroplanes. And we had a few what
Speaker 1: we call revheads around the area that would rev their
Speaker 1: motors up, you know, for an hour or so, revving
Speaker 1: tuning their cars. But this particular sound was like nothing
Speaker 1: I'd heard before, and I just knew it was a
Speaker 1: flying sourcer, but I didn't actually see it. I didn't
Speaker 1: see a light. From my memory, it was morning. I
Speaker 1: sort of see daylight when I think back, but it
Speaker 1: could have been a little earlier than that. But the
Speaker 1: feeling was I really hope they don't find me, you know,
Speaker 1: I felt like they were looking for me. So that
Speaker 1: stayed with me. And then years later, when this memory
Speaker 1: came back, I was pondering this and it suddenly hit
Speaker 1: me that maybe maybe I'd just been put back into bed,
Speaker 1: rather than you know, them being out there looking for me,
Speaker 1: which is what I thought when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: maybe something else had gone on. So I just happened
Speaker 1: to be in Brisbane this particular day just after that.
Speaker 1: And I'm an artist as well as a writer, and
Speaker 1: I've done workshops at a library showing kids how to
Speaker 1: do comics and manga, so the Japanese comics. And I
Speaker 1: realized that I was very close to that old house.
Speaker 1: So I just drove around there to see this house
Speaker 1: that I'd had been for three years, but it was
Speaker 1: a particularly happy place. And then it occurred to me,
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's ever been any kind of UFO
Speaker 1: activities around this particular place. So the first search I
Speaker 1: did straight away, an article from the Carrier Mail newspaper,
Speaker 1: which is the main newspaper in Brisbane, came up. Nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty five, I think it was May, and there was
Speaker 1: this family who the mother and this little girl it
Speaker 1: was about seven, had been woken in the early morning
Speaker 1: by a great big light and the mother had gone
Speaker 1: outside and seen this glowing, bright orange craft and it
Speaker 1: was just sort of floating about one hundred meters from
Speaker 1: the house, and then it sort of winked out and
Speaker 1: appeared on the outside of this big gum tree. And
Speaker 1: then I had these rays coming sort of above it,
Speaker 1: moving in an unusual pattern, and they were Dutch people,
Speaker 1: and I remember that it was a Dutch name, so
Speaker 1: I thought, wow, that's pretty cool. I wonder where they lived.
Speaker 1: So I started making some inquiries, just you know, I
Speaker 1: like talking to people who went to some of the
Speaker 1: local shops, looked for somebody pretty old, and it's when
Speaker 1: old gentleman said, oh, yes, I know that family. Actually,
Speaker 1: because it's a Dutch name, it was a bit unusual.
Speaker 1: The sister's still living down the road here, and I
Speaker 1: was like wow. So I said how could I contact her?
Speaker 1: And he goes, I'll just go down and knock on
Speaker 1: the door. I thought that was a bit rude, but
Speaker 1: he insisted. He said, no, she's a really nice lady,
Speaker 1: easy going. Just go down knock on the door. So
Speaker 1: I went down and they had a big fence and
Speaker 1: there was an intercom, so I buzzed that. I said, look,
Speaker 1: I'm terribly sorry. I don't like to be a stranger
Speaker 1: and just appear, but you know, and I told her
Speaker 1: basically about the article and how I was interested. She
Speaker 1: welcomed me in and made me a cup of tea
Speaker 1: some biscuits, and we started chatting to chatting about this episode.
Speaker 1: And then she said to me, you know it landed
Speaker 1: up the back here. Oh that's not in the paper.
Speaker 1: She said, look, come back tomorrow and I'll take you
Speaker 1: up to where it landed. So next day I came around,
Speaker 1: she took me up. It was like what we call
Speaker 1: paddocks in Australias, you know, fields which I've had cows
Speaker 1: in them, whatever, And she had actually triangulated this old
Speaker 1: farmhouse and there was a body of water down a
Speaker 1: hill on the other side and back to her house,
Speaker 1: and she said, this is the exact spot. And it
Speaker 1: had been grass and you know, just like an open paddock,
Speaker 1: but now there was lots of trees. But I could
Speaker 1: see clearly there was still a denuded area, just a
Speaker 1: little tiny bushes, but a ring, you know, just as
Speaker 1: she said. And she told me all about how this
Speaker 1: ring had been there for years apparently, and people had
Speaker 1: come from all over the world researchers. I think there
Speaker 1: was a famous American researcher in the sixties. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's John Mack. I think it's before him. But anyway,
Speaker 1: there was all these people had come. I have now
Speaker 1: really fine records of these people. But I ended up
Speaker 1: talking to on the phone to the young girl, and
Speaker 1: I also talked to the older brother, and they told
Speaker 1: me what their mum had told them, that this craft
Speaker 1: was not just orange, but it was sort of cycling
Speaker 1: through from super bright white to like an electric blue Perlo.
Speaker 1: Apparently the whole it was like lit up like daylight outside.
Speaker 1: The girl told me that she'd woken up in her
Speaker 1: bed and couldn't get out of bed. She'd sort of
Speaker 1: felt around the wall, and the wall went right around
Speaker 1: the bed, and so she started to cry in fear.
Speaker 1: And the next thing she was in her actual bed,
Speaker 1: but her head was down the wrong way. And then
Speaker 1: her mom came in. She said, I'll get your glass
Speaker 1: of water. There a mum like thing to do. And
Speaker 1: then mom goes out. And then suddenly, like Close Encounters
Speaker 1: of the third kinds, it's just the whole house got
Speaker 1: brightly lit up by this bright orange light. So mom says,
Speaker 1: you stay there, darling, and she goes out, and she's
Speaker 1: standing there in wonder looking at this thing. So and
Speaker 1: this was a Dutch lady who come from New Guinea,
Speaker 1: didn't speak much English, really didn't want to tell anybody
Speaker 1: about this whole thing, so I think she was a
Speaker 1: very good witness. In the end, I said to the
Speaker 1: girl lady, you know, do you think you're actually on
Speaker 1: that craft? Do you think you're maybe not in your
Speaker 1: bed when you first woke up and the wall was
Speaker 1: right around your bed And there was a pause, and
Speaker 1: she said, yes, I know what you're saying. She said,
Speaker 1: I have thought that. So yeah. I then thought, well,
Speaker 1: like maybe I was on there too, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: they had just put me back in bed and I
Speaker 1: was just coming too out of the hypnosis or whatever
Speaker 1: they do, which is you know, it's quite well chronicled.
Speaker 1: So that was interesting for me because I hadn't been
Speaker 1: particularly a UFO fanatic. I've always been really interested in
Speaker 1: sci fi and I like the UFO subject, but at
Speaker 1: that time, you know, several years ago, I wasn't into it.
Speaker 1: But I got right into it after that, started really
Speaker 1: reading and researching, and then fast forward a couple more years,
Speaker 1: another ancient memory came to me. So essentially what happened was,
Speaker 1: once again it was like a window and my memory
Speaker 1: opened up, and they do say, as I'm sixty six,
Speaker 1: so they do say as people get into their late
Speaker 1: fifties sixties, often their youth starts to come back in
Speaker 1: a lot of detail. And I was once a nurse,
Speaker 1: and I noticed this amongst older people, that they would
Speaker 1: just have these incredible, clear memories of being little kids.
Speaker 1: And they told me, you know, I just remember, I'm
Speaker 1: starting to really remember things about my youth that have
Speaker 1: been gone for a long time. So it came back
Speaker 1: to me something pretty extraordinary that it would have been
Speaker 1: one is seventy. I really do believe it was nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy eight. So I think about the job I had.
Speaker 1: I remember I was a surfy I remember hair was
Speaker 1: quite long, and that sort of happened about nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 1: I started surfing late seventy six, but my hair grew
Speaker 1: gradually and I coffee shops were a new thing in
Speaker 1: Australia at that time, and there was a little coffee
Speaker 1: shop in this big shopping center in Brisbane, in Tripoli
Speaker 1: shopping town West Big Westfield. So I remember, I clearly
Speaker 1: remember sitting down at this table and they brought me
Speaker 1: out of coffee and it was just all quite a
Speaker 1: novel experience. I'd only ever really drank instant coffee. And
Speaker 1: next thing, this extraordinarily beautiful young woman, so imagines me
Speaker 1: I was twenty, comes up to the table and she's
Speaker 1: really well dressed. She wasn't sort of the type of
Speaker 1: girl that I would hang out with, you know, surfer girls,
Speaker 1: you know, always wore surf type clothes. But she was
Speaker 1: well dressed. I don't think it was a suit, but
Speaker 1: it was unusual in big city clothing, and very very
Speaker 1: pretty in a strong Scandinavian sort of way. And the
Speaker 1: thing that amazed me was her eyes. She had these
Speaker 1: unnatural green eyes, like it was a not just like
Speaker 1: an Irish green. They are actually not glowing. But you
Speaker 1: know those green lenses that came along later, so I'll
Speaker 1: tell you about that, But people started using lenses in
Speaker 1: the late eighties to change their eye color. But at
Speaker 1: that time I'd never seen such eyes before. And she
Speaker 1: said to me, may I sit with you? And that
Speaker 1: was really like, wow, this is unusual. Usually, really gorgeous
Speaker 1: girls don't just rock up and say can I sit
Speaker 1: with you? So I said yes, of course, and she
Speaker 1: sat there and she said, you're a very handsome young guy,
Speaker 1: I would like to make love to you. And I'm like, really,
Speaker 1: it just was too forward, you know. It was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was a pretty wild, adventurous young guy,
Speaker 1: but still it was like, what's going on here? And
Speaker 1: I said, well, sure, you know, let's going back to
Speaker 1: my place. And you know, my place wasn't too far away,
Speaker 1: and she said, oh no, not right now. And then
Speaker 1: I said where are you from? And I thought this
Speaker 1: must be a girl from Sydney, because we used to
Speaker 1: think that girls from Sydney were really forward and really fun.
Speaker 1: But you know, a different sort of girl, much more
Speaker 1: sophisticated and modern and you know, free. So she's I said,
Speaker 1: from Sydney. She said, no, I'm not from Sydney. I'm
Speaker 1: not from around here. Okay, well where are you from?
Speaker 1: And she looks me dad in the eye says I'm
Speaker 1: not from this earth. And i'd actually been a nurse
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and I thought, like, there's
Speaker 1: this girl, you know, escaped from the clinic. So I
Speaker 1: don't remember what I said next, but I would have
Speaker 1: got really cautious with that what I said to her.
Speaker 1: She said, look, I'll cut to the chase I'm not
Speaker 1: from here. I'm from somewhere other than the Earth. I
Speaker 1: want you to come with me. The Mothership is meeting
Speaker 1: me to pick me up. I've been on a mission.
Speaker 1: The Mothership's coming to meet me down at Redland Bay.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I was Redland Bay, but I used to
Speaker 1: surf and Redland Bay is one of the places we
Speaker 1: used to go and to get the ferry too, Stradbroke
Speaker 1: Island where some great ways were, so I knew the area.
Speaker 1: And she said, you know, the mothership's coming to get me,
Speaker 1: and if you've got the courage to come down just Saturday,
Speaker 1: you can come with us, specifically with me, and be
Speaker 1: with me. And I was, you know, gobsmacked, going wow,
Speaker 1: this girl is so hot. She really was a great beauty,
Speaker 1: and yet it sounded like she was nuts. And she
Speaker 1: said to me, you can't be concerned about your family
Speaker 1: and friends. You're going to be away for quite a
Speaker 1: long time. And I said, well, you're going to bring
Speaker 1: me back, and she said, yeah, we'll bring you back,
Speaker 1: but you'll be away for a fair while. So you've
Speaker 1: got to leave behind any girlfriend. You've got your parents,
Speaker 1: your family, your friends. And I was starting to take
Speaker 1: her seriously, as bizarre as it may seem, and I thought, nah, no,
Speaker 1: I just this is too much. You know, if this
Speaker 1: is real, I just can't do it. You know, I
Speaker 1: just can't leave everybody behind. As much as I'd love
Speaker 1: to go into space spend some time with this beautiful girl,
Speaker 1: I can't really see myself being happy for too long
Speaker 1: doing that. And then I thought, maybe, you know, if
Speaker 1: she's a prankster, she could It's possible, quite possible. I
Speaker 1: suppose she could have been pulling a prank. But the
Speaker 1: problem is those eyes. When I started thinking about this
Speaker 1: again and remembering at the time, I thought, these eyes
Speaker 1: are impossible. But when I remembered this and started to
Speaker 1: recall the details, I started searching. You know, when did
Speaker 1: colored contacts come into Australia. And it turns out they
Speaker 1: weren't here until about nineteen eighty seven. They had been
Speaker 1: developed in the States, like in Hollywood earlier, I think
Speaker 1: as early as like the early seventies, but they were
Speaker 1: handpainted and they were very rare, and you know, I thought, well,
Speaker 1: could this girl have been to the States, you know,
Speaker 1: could a family be wealthy and she got some of
Speaker 1: these colored lens and she's just having a bit of fun.
Speaker 1: So there is that, I mean, there is that to
Speaker 1: be skeptical, but it seems sort of a long shot.
Speaker 1: So that story, and there's another aspect to this I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up well fast forward again until fairly recently,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe two years ago. I'm somebody that when I
Speaker 1: get a b in my bonnet, when I get interested
Speaker 1: in the subject, I really go deep. And I'd spent
Speaker 1: you know, a number of years really listening to heaps
Speaker 1: and heaps and heaps of testimonies of people who'd seen UFOs,
Speaker 1: who'd encountered beings. Yeah, I'd really done my research. And
Speaker 1: one of the cases that's obviously very well known to
Speaker 1: most people in the scene is the Frederick Valentich disappearance
Speaker 1: in Victoria, and that happened in nineteen seventy eight. Took
Speaker 1: off from I think it was Morabin Airport, flying to
Speaker 1: King Island, disappears and those who know the case, which
Speaker 1: is probably most of your listeners, it was pretty extraordinary.
Speaker 1: What he was communicating to the air traffic control I
Speaker 1: think it was Melbourne and what he saw, you know,
Speaker 1: he said, it's not an aircraft, it's circling me. It's
Speaker 1: definitely not an aircraft. It's playing with me, and then
Speaker 1: there's this great grinding, metallic noise and then that's the end.
Speaker 1: And they never found his aircraft. So that's a very
Speaker 1: famous case. And you know, I'd thought about it for
Speaker 1: quite a long time, and then it just suddenly hit
Speaker 1: me that it happened in nineteen seventy eight and that
Speaker 1: he was twenty, and I, you know, I bet that
Speaker 1: it was nineteen seventy eight, when I was twenty that
Speaker 1: this beautiful girl approached me. So then I thought, wait
Speaker 1: a minute. Frederick Valentich had been an officer in the
Speaker 1: Royal Australian Air Force Air Training Corps and I had
Speaker 1: been an officer in the Royal Australian Air Force Air
Speaker 1: Training Corps and he'd stuck with it, and I decided
Speaker 1: to leave after school, or could have remained in and
Speaker 1: become a reserve officer. I would have held the rank
Speaker 1: of a pilot officer, but I went on to sort
Speaker 1: of nonation careers and then I just got this eerie feeling.
Speaker 1: I thought, what if that mothership she was talking about
Speaker 1: was real and it was the one who grabbed him
Speaker 1: Because we were virtually the same guys, you know, young.
Speaker 1: He was a good looking guy, dark headed, sort of
Speaker 1: twenty year old. I was a blonde, you know, good looking, surfy,
Speaker 1: and we were both aviation nuts with significant experience, as
Speaker 1: young guys can have, you know, not the actual part.
Speaker 1: He was an actual pilot. I used to teach aviation
Speaker 1: and really into it. It's a funny thing to make
Speaker 1: that connection, but I just felt that somehow added a
Speaker 1: little bit of weight to my feeling that perhaps that
Speaker 1: girl was real, and which immediately led me to think, well,
Speaker 1: who was she? Who are we dealing with here? And
Speaker 1: you know, that's the story. That's my two experiences, which
Speaker 1: you might call that first one, when I was a
Speaker 1: kid hearing the flying saucer, I guess you call it
Speaker 1: a close encounter of the second kind, where you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything, but I heard something. If it
Speaker 1: was real, I can't prove that this one with the girl, well,
Speaker 1: that could have just been close encounter with a really
Speaker 1: funny prankster, close encounter with a girl who was a
Speaker 1: little bit mentally unstable, or it could have been an
Speaker 1: actual close encounter with a humanoid, beautiful person not from
Speaker 1: the Earth.
Speaker 4: I must admit Dave, you know that is a strange connection.
Speaker 4: I mean, on service yet we have meet into people
Speaker 4: all the time. But you meet a girl with green eyes.
Speaker 4: I mean that, in itself, I believe is rare. I
Speaker 4: think it's only two or three percent of the world's
Speaker 4: population of me green eyes, So that in itself is
Speaker 4: a chance of running to a green eyes. I'm sure
Speaker 4: they're out there listening right now. It's a rare eye color.
Speaker 4: One thing I do have on this show is people
Speaker 4: have these strange encounters with other people which sometimes they
Speaker 4: think they could be from somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Not just green eyes either. They weren't just I've got
Speaker 1: green eyes. My family's quite Irish and southern Scottish and
Speaker 1: these you know when you I don't know, you've probably
Speaker 1: always been aware of people having colored contacts, but in
Speaker 1: the seventies it was like, we've never seen it. So
Speaker 1: for me it was like, what's with this girl's eyes?
Speaker 1: They weren't just a normal human rare green. They were
Speaker 1: really emerald green. And I'll just chuck this in for
Speaker 1: what it's worth. But the Nordic brand of alien, the
Speaker 1: very humanoid, good looking, very good looking, often quite tall
Speaker 1: alien being that people report. Seeing I found an article
Speaker 1: that some people say that they don't have pupils and
Speaker 1: that they were contacts to sort of give them a pupil,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe that, you know, if it was real,
Speaker 1: maybe that's what was going on.
Speaker 4: It's very possible. I mean, when you have that, when
Speaker 4: you throw in the whole Frederick into the equation as well,
Speaker 4: which would seem I mean, I think his experience was
Speaker 4: and I think it was in the October, rough about
Speaker 4: the October of seventy eight. But it is very strange
Speaker 4: that he's still missing now, isn't he. I mean, that's
Speaker 4: what forty five years ago that he's been missing. For
Speaker 4: all these similarities between you at the time and Frederick.
Speaker 1: Not many, not many young people have been officers in
Speaker 1: the rural Australian Air Force, their training corps. You know,
Speaker 1: it was a bit of a it was pretty tough
Speaker 1: to get that rank. You know, we really earned our rank.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's what struck me that he was one.
Speaker 1: And when I'd hit me, I thought, yeah, I was too,
Speaker 1: I was the same age. It just it's like a profile,
Speaker 1: like let's pretend that this girl was really an alien,
Speaker 1: that she really did have a mothership picking her up.
Speaker 1: It looks like they might have been looking for good
Speaker 1: breeding twenty year olds who had air mindedness, as they
Speaker 1: used to call it, basemindedness. I'd always been really, really
Speaker 1: into the NASA, the space race and the astronauts. You know,
Speaker 1: I would have jumped at the chance to be an astronaut.
Speaker 4: And imagine if you had taken her up just saying
Speaker 4: that she was from somewhere else. Imagine if you had
Speaker 4: gone you know where, and where would you be what
Speaker 4: would you be doing?
Speaker 1: Now? Well, that's exactly right. James Fox's amazing documentary about
Speaker 1: happenings in South America. It's really incredible stuff. All there's
Speaker 1: testimony from these people. He actually goes to this little
Speaker 1: town in South America and it's talking to people. They go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that, I saw it. I saw a plast
Speaker 1: of the sky and everyone knows these aliens are run
Speaker 1: around in somebody's yard and really far out things happened.
Speaker 1: And somewhere in that mix, I'm sure it was his documentary,
Speaker 1: but either the father or the mother of a young
Speaker 1: guy who went missing, very similar to Frederick Valantiche's case,
Speaker 1: actually appeared to the mother in a sort of a
Speaker 1: weird light. A couple of months later, and he was
Speaker 1: wearing I think he was an Air Force guy. I
Speaker 1: think he was actually a fighter pilot, but he was
Speaker 1: still wearing his uniform. But he appeared to his mother
Speaker 1: when he's in the lounge room and said, look, don't
Speaker 1: be worried, mam. I'm okay. You know, I can't tell
Speaker 1: you where I am. Amazing things are happening, but I'm safe. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm all right, and then it sort of blinked out,
Speaker 1: So it was basically a report of some kind of
Speaker 1: communication that was given to the mum to help her
Speaker 1: feel better. It sort of struck me that he was
Speaker 1: also like an Air Force guy.
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Speaker 4: When you were telling me by the green Eyed Girl,
Speaker 4: it reminded me of there was this a UFO legend
Speaker 4: in Japan. I don't know if you've ever heard of it.
Speaker 4: Apparently happened in eighteen hundred something, quite famous in UFO law.
Speaker 4: It's basically this woman that comes ashore in this UFO
Speaker 4: looking object.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it just kind of reminded me that.
Speaker 1: H yes, yeah, you're right. Yeah. The other cultures that
Speaker 1: don't speak English, they have a lot of things locked
Speaker 1: up in their languages, don't They a lot of things
Speaker 1: that we don't get at. Two things I just remember
Speaker 1: as we're talking, I remember thinking when the girl said
Speaker 1: come with me to the mother ship. I remember one
Speaker 1: of the first things that went through my head was
Speaker 1: that she could be like, not really as hot chick,
Speaker 1: but she could be this like a technical monster. And
Speaker 1: then when I get true he me or something. And
Speaker 1: I remember thinking that and thinking, oh god, you know
Speaker 1: this is this is this is dangerous. And I also
Speaker 1: remember when I was I walked away. I wish I
Speaker 1: could go back there again. I'd say, listen, babe, you know,
Speaker 1: let me feel you, let me feel your hand, let
Speaker 1: me kiss you, let me sense what you are, and
Speaker 1: ask them more questions, pointed questions about it all. But
Speaker 1: I didn't. I sort of chickened out and headed off
Speaker 1: because I was frightened over and I had this distinct
Speaker 1: feeling I was being followed or watched, and I remember thinking,
Speaker 1: there's going to be some tall Scandinavian looking dude with
Speaker 1: like pure white hair and a really straight fringe, you know,
Speaker 1: like a like I said of a Midwich cuckoo's look,
Speaker 1: really pale eyes, you know, in an alley or somewhere.
Speaker 1: It was going to grab me a couple of them
Speaker 1: and drag me into a limousine or I moved. I
Speaker 1: got home pretty quick, and I remember being really wary
Speaker 1: for a while, thanking God, I hope they don't come
Speaker 1: for me. Like, Okay, we tried it the nice way.
Speaker 1: You said, no, no, You're just going to come whether
Speaker 1: you like it or not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you might have some grains to be a little concerned.
Speaker 4: It could be like a siren type situation. You know
Speaker 4: where you're you're being drawn to the beautiful woman and
Speaker 4: then your your feet is in their hands.
Speaker 1: And it's a very classic, very elf type story, you know,
Speaker 1: very typical of Icelanders have lots of stories about young
Speaker 1: guys getting you know, seduced by ELFs or you know,
Speaker 1: the holder folk, the hidden people, and sometimes they come
Speaker 1: back and sometimes they don't. And you know, Scots and
Speaker 1: the Irish and the Welsh have a lot of stories
Speaker 1: like this, and sometimes the fairies aren't very nice. They
Speaker 1: actually are monsters.
Speaker 4: I did touch a little bit about this on introduction,
Speaker 4: but Dave is actually Dave Lovegrove. Now hopefully you've heard
Speaker 4: of Dave. He's on YouTube, he's on Facebook, and he
Speaker 4: runs the Viking Superpower Dave, do you want to tell
Speaker 4: us a little bit because you've been on quite the
Speaker 4: journey the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, I've just come back from what I called
Speaker 1: my Viking Superpowers research Tour twenty twenty four. I should
Speaker 1: make a T shirt, but it was essentially the trip
Speaker 1: of a lifetime because I became fascinated with the Viking
Speaker 1: age pretty much nineteen seventy three nine seventy four, so
Speaker 1: it's fifty years and red heaps as a teenager, and
Speaker 1: then when I left school, I remember discovering that the
Speaker 1: Icelander's modern Icelandic language is for all intents and purposes,
Speaker 1: old Norse, you know, the language that was spoken in
Speaker 1: the Viking Age. People now, being Internet nerds, often like
Speaker 1: to argue about they don't pronounce it the same way.
Speaker 1: It's this and that, but honestly, you know, for the
Speaker 1: average person, you're not going to really tell the difference.
Speaker 1: And I can literally read sagas from written in the
Speaker 1: mid twelve hundreds and thirteen hundreds that are about the
Speaker 1: Viking Age, which was another two three hundred years earlier.
Speaker 1: I can just read them straight out because I started
Speaker 1: learning Icelandic back then. In nineteen seventy six, I bought
Speaker 1: a little book Teach Yourself Icelandic, and then pretty soon
Speaker 1: I found out there was a linguo phone course which
Speaker 1: cost the earth. It cost me a heap of money
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six money, but I was dedicated, and
Speaker 1: I've still got that old course with a little black
Speaker 1: forty five IRPM records. The books are looking pretty worse
Speaker 1: for wear, but I've stuck at it, and this trip
Speaker 1: was something I'd been wanting to do for all those
Speaker 1: years to finally go to Scandinavia and Iceland. And I've
Speaker 1: been close, but I had actually got there. And when
Speaker 1: I turned sixty. I'm sixty six now, so it was
Speaker 1: six years ago. I remember looking at the kitchen window
Speaker 1: and I went, burden you afore my stories. But I've
Speaker 1: had a lot of paranormal and unusual experiences in my life.
Speaker 1: I also had a near death experience when I was
Speaker 1: twenty two, which was really pretty radical, and experienced a
Speaker 1: lot of unusual things after that. But looking at the
Speaker 1: kitchen window, just turned sixty and I thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm sort of I'm sort of so old now that
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter what anyone thinks. I'm going to write
Speaker 1: a book about what I know to be the truth
Speaker 1: about life, about unusual abilities and things that people on
Speaker 1: Wiki and ted talks and that will say, how this
Speaker 1: is just impossible. Science knows better, this is only rat
Speaker 1: bags believe these things. But I know they're real, you know.
Speaker 1: So I thought, I'm just going to tell my story
Speaker 1: for what it worth. That was going to be called
Speaker 1: The Portal Superpowers, So I had a channel for a
Speaker 1: while called the Portal, and it's sort of based upon
Speaker 1: my discoveries. I'm a Chinese kung fu teacher. Some people
Speaker 1: would call me a master. I've been doing that thirty years.
Speaker 1: And there's a sort of a The rear brain in
Speaker 1: humans is where we connect to what you might call
Speaker 1: the great mind, can be called the lizard brain or
Speaker 1: the animal mind. But it's the mind that doesn't think,
Speaker 1: doesn't call itself. Dave doesn't worry about time, money, status,
Speaker 1: It's just is and that brain is like a gateway,
Speaker 1: a portal to powers and abilities and the great everything.
Speaker 1: To get cosmic about it. But anyway, I started that
Speaker 1: project and I got a long way with it, and
Speaker 1: I met some really amazing people, got to interview some
Speaker 1: very famous people in this field. I called Colonel John Alexander,
Speaker 1: who was the inspiration for the Men's There at Goats movie.
Speaker 1: And you know, even in the nineteen eighty he was
Speaker 1: in a colonel in the American Army and he was
Speaker 1: sort of one of the guys in charge of finding
Speaker 1: out where the psychic abilities are real and remote viewing
Speaker 1: and all these unusual abilities and fascinating man and you know,
Speaker 1: he's also had a lot of UFO experience, has written
Speaker 1: a book about UFOs and about all these other things.
Speaker 1: So I got to interview people like him. And then
Speaker 1: just another good friend, Jane, who has had a lot
Speaker 1: of abduction experiences and she's written a book about that.
Speaker 1: I said to her one day, there's this really cool
Speaker 1: guy called Paul Wallace, so I keep seeing on YouTube
Speaker 1: who writes he was been a Church of England minister
Speaker 1: and now for thirty five years, and his thing is
Speaker 1: looking at the Bible, especially the ancient Hebrew and ancient
Speaker 1: Greek and retranslating passages that seem to indicate that the
Speaker 1: stories are not really about God a lot of the time,
Speaker 1: they're about these powerful people. Is alo him. I'm sure
Speaker 1: some of your listeners are going, oh yeah, I know
Speaker 1: about that. So I became fascinated because you know, it's
Speaker 1: a long story. But I was actually a Christian pastor
Speaker 1: for a little while after the near death experience, so
Speaker 1: I've been involved in a lot of different things, but
Speaker 1: I started getting right into that and then this sort
Speaker 1: of when the COVID lockdowns happened twenty nineteen, I think
Speaker 1: it was to my wife. I've never got as far
Speaker 1: as I should have got with Icelandic. I'm going to
Speaker 1: get back into that. So I started, well, we were lockdown.
Speaker 1: I started really studying Icelandic with a passion, and then
Speaker 1: began reading Saga's I've got a lot of Sargas. But
Speaker 1: I started reading the Edits, which is the story of
Speaker 1: the Norse myths, of stories about Odin and Freyer and
Speaker 1: Thor and you know, characters that everyone knows either from
Speaker 1: comics or from the movies, the Marble movies. And because
Speaker 1: of Paul Wallace's influence, so I thought, and another Italian guy,
Speaker 1: Moro Biglino, who's amazing scholar, and he used to translate
Speaker 1: the Bible for the Vatican, believe it or not, and
Speaker 1: he's found the same stuff as Paul Wallace, the Church
Speaker 1: of England and stuff. So I thought, that's interesting. I
Speaker 1: wonder if that's in these Viking stories of the gods,
Speaker 1: And straight away bam, there it was that, you know,
Speaker 1: the mistranslation of words. The word heaven in English often says,
Speaker 1: you know, for and Oden the Asia, the gods went
Speaker 1: up to heaven to have a meeting. But the word
Speaker 1: is human and it literally means up above the sky.
Speaker 1: It literally means out of space. It's clear that that
Speaker 1: what it means, and it's connected to other words which
Speaker 1: sort of means planets and stars, but it's not talking
Speaker 1: about the separate spirituality. So then I found that the
Speaker 1: word gods is sometimes used, but the most common word
Speaker 1: is Asia, which means the family of people that came
Speaker 1: from Asia Minor who are incredibly powerful and mind blowing.
Speaker 1: When they decided to leave Asia Minor, Turkey and Anatolia
Speaker 1: move up through France, Russia, Saxony, you know, northern Germany,
Speaker 1: up into Scandinavia, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and they set up
Speaker 1: and the people were just so wowed by them and
Speaker 1: their amazingness. Now, these stories are written mostly by a
Speaker 1: guy called Snorri Sturluson who wrote back in about twelve
Speaker 1: the early twelve hundreds. He was an Icelandic chieftain, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people into the Norse things sort of say, oh,
Speaker 1: he was a Christian, and he wrote all this stuff
Speaker 1: about how the gods weren't really God's, they were these
Speaker 1: super powerful beings who took on the names of these
Speaker 1: old stories, these names of gods. But they're wrong too.
Speaker 1: I've been researching that for quite a while, and I've
Speaker 1: talked to you know, my Icelandic professor friend Ardaman, Jakobson
Speaker 1: armand Jacobs and we'd say so, and lots of other
Speaker 1: authority of people. And so that's why I went to
Speaker 1: Iceland and Scandinavia this time, is I just wanted to
Speaker 1: look into what's really the truth here and there's there
Speaker 1: a hidden story. And from the day I hit Denmark,
Speaker 1: I just every single day I learned things that were
Speaker 1: mind boggling. And obviously I saw I needed to see
Speaker 1: the Viking ships. I just loved the Viking ships. I
Speaker 1: love the sort of Viking Viking stuff, you know, I
Speaker 1: like the TV series is great, all the stuff to
Speaker 1: do with Vikings. But I kept on coming across tantalizing
Speaker 1: clues to something else, and with this idea in mind
Speaker 1: that the so called gods had actually come up from Turkey.
Speaker 1: And then I discovered the Bronze Age, which I'd always
Speaker 1: known about. I've got books about the Bronze Age of
Speaker 1: Scandinavia and what they call sun crosses. There's these circles
Speaker 1: were crosses in them, and these amazing rock basically carvings
Speaker 1: on massive rock thousands of carvings of people and ships
Speaker 1: and animals. But then there's these people often with a
Speaker 1: large willie for what a better word, William balls d
Speaker 1: and b as my wife would call them, with these
Speaker 1: looks like shields. But then when you look at it,
Speaker 1: think it's not really a shield. But I started noticing
Speaker 1: in artifacts in Denmark, and then when I went up
Speaker 1: to Sweden, I'd see other artifacts like this with symbol
Speaker 1: constantly seeing either concentric circles or these sun processes and
Speaker 1: often combined together. And it's just the mystery kept deepening.
Speaker 1: And then I met my friend Carl, who lives up
Speaker 1: the west coast of Sweden, and he took me, to
Speaker 1: believe it or not, these two landforms near a huge
Speaker 1: lake called Vanern and these these are basically these sheer
Speaker 1: cliffs that rise out of the the plane and the
Speaker 1: major ones almost circular in nature, and then the one
Speaker 1: beside it's sort of almost triangular, and then there's another
Speaker 1: little one. And you wouldn't believe what the name of
Speaker 1: these things are. I'll tell you what they are first,
Speaker 1: that they are these plateaus, but they belonged to the
Speaker 1: Swedish royal family and they've belonged to them since the
Speaker 1: year dot. There's a little museum up there and it
Speaker 1: states that Odin and Thor and the gods the Asia
Speaker 1: came there from Turkey and set up there. And you
Speaker 1: know what the name of these landforms is as Guard
Speaker 1: and Valhalla, right. That's the big one is called Asgard,
Speaker 1: which means the home of the gods, right, And then
Speaker 1: the next one's called Valhalla, which is the famous the
Speaker 1: place the warriors go when they die and they feast
Speaker 1: and fight until Ragnarok comes, you know, the final battle.
Speaker 1: And there's a little landform in sort of in between
Speaker 1: and to one side, and it's called Odin's Lookout. And
Speaker 1: I just it was like, why have I never heard
Speaker 1: about this? And we checked this place out and we
Speaker 1: found these ancient really hard to understand what they were buildings.
Speaker 1: It was super really ancient looking, massive stones built but
Speaker 1: almost like bunkers, but were super thick walls. You know,
Speaker 1: the walls were like six to ten feet thick with
Speaker 1: just a little room inside. And obviously a lot of
Speaker 1: them had fallen down, but they're all hidden away in
Speaker 1: the forest. And we found all sorts of weird metals
Speaker 1: lying around on the trails and different places. So that
Speaker 1: led me when I went to Oslo to Norway, and
Speaker 1: I had incredible good luck to get to go on
Speaker 1: a Viking ship. The museum that I'd always dreamed of
Speaker 1: going to was closed where they have these two ancient
Speaker 1: Viking ships, the Gokstad and the Osberg Ship. But I'd
Speaker 1: made a friend in Denmark at Roskild where they have
Speaker 1: all these ancient ships and there's these guys building ships
Speaker 1: all the time. And I met a guy called Today
Speaker 1: who's pretty much the same age as me, and he's
Speaker 1: the master shipbuilder, and we became really friendly and we
Speaker 1: had this amazing chat about a lot of the same
Speaker 1: stuff we're into. And he wrote to me when I
Speaker 1: was in Oslo and said, look, sorry the museums closed,
Speaker 1: but I can I've radioed this Viking ship, the Iceberg
Speaker 1: Ship replica, and these guys are sailing a couple of
Speaker 1: hours south of You can get yourself down there. They
Speaker 1: want to see you. So I went all the way down,
Speaker 1: took a few trains and buses and ended up on
Speaker 1: this Viking ship. Spent the day of these guys and
Speaker 1: took lots of photos and chatted about everything. So then
Speaker 1: I went to Iceland, and everywhere in Iceland I kept
Speaker 1: on finding these same rings and circles. Perhaps it's not
Speaker 1: too long winded, but in as Guard Snorri says that
Speaker 1: Asgard was in Troy, which is the famous you know,
Speaker 1: the Trojan Wars, the city of Troy, which was rediscovered
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty years ago.
Speaker 2: Maybe always was believed that it was just a fable,
Speaker 2: and then this one particular guy went and just followed
Speaker 2: what the ancient Greek stories said and he found it.
Speaker 1: So I looked at Troy from the air on a
Speaker 1: satellite and it was this big, concentric ring. It's just
Speaker 1: like I've been seeing all through Scandinavia. And then when
Speaker 1: I came in Iceland, you know, I got to see
Speaker 1: the ancient sagas I had. I met my friend, professor
Speaker 1: Jacobson as the head of Old Norse studies at the university,
Speaker 1: and then another professor, Professor Gunmargson, who showed me a
Speaker 1: couple of these ancient books eating this snorer Eda the
Speaker 1: story with all the gods in I saw pretty much
Speaker 1: the original, which is super cool. And then went back
Speaker 1: to Denmark and I went through the National Museum there
Speaker 1: and there was so much Bronze Age stuff, and then
Speaker 1: it all clicked us and they thought, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: Like all these Bronze Age artifacts and rock carvings looked
Speaker 1: to me to be basically telling the story of what this.
Speaker 1: You know, the Viking Age story says that these gods
Speaker 1: went to Scandinavia, but they didn't go there in the
Speaker 1: Viking Age. They went there well before it. They went
Speaker 1: there BC, you know, maybe a thousand BC. And so
Speaker 1: I just that's what my project is, just working all
Speaker 1: this out using my artistic power, because I'm a trained artist,
Speaker 1: you know, looking at all these ancient artifacts where we
Speaker 1: don't have literacy from them, but we've got all these
Speaker 1: pictures which are open to interpretation, using my ability with
Speaker 1: reading Icelandic to delve deeply into the sagas to find
Speaker 1: meanings that have been missed. And I do think that
Speaker 1: these were visitors from somewhere very high tech a couple
Speaker 1: of thousand years ago, set up in the Middle East
Speaker 1: and around that area, and then spread out to different
Speaker 1: parts of the world. My thing is to track down
Speaker 1: what they're up to in ancient Scandinavia and northern Europe.
Speaker 1: Perhaps they're still here.
Speaker 4: And I think for anyone that has an interest in
Speaker 4: UFOs and the paranormal, especially if you're interested in kind
Speaker 4: of the Ancient Aliens TV show, there is certainly much
Speaker 4: to learn on Dave's channel. He's just not an armchair researcher.
Speaker 4: He literally goes to these places, don't.
Speaker 1: You Yes, And I'll be going a lot more. I
Speaker 1: came back, like happens, with a lot of these things.
Speaker 1: I came back with such a clear vision I wanted
Speaker 1: to jump on the next jet back I'll go to
Speaker 1: get back there. But I gathered so much great information.
Speaker 1: And I'm making a whole series of videos this week
Speaker 1: and the next couple of weeks relating all these ideas.
Speaker 1: And I'm writing a book. It'll be called Viking Superpowers
Speaker 1: probably or something like The Way of Asgard. So it's
Speaker 1: about the Viking gods and the myths and sagas. But
Speaker 1: looking at it from with this lens of you know,
Speaker 1: what's become basically a truth that the Earth's been visited
Speaker 1: and been visited for many thousands of years, it appears,
Speaker 1: and this is being admitted by authorities finally, And so
Speaker 1: I feel pretty lucky to be into this because I
Speaker 1: reckon it's the cutting edge of what's going on in
Speaker 1: the world. This is this is an ancient, ancient story
Speaker 1: that's finally being revealed. Also as a because you know,
Speaker 1: of my age, growing up in the sixties and seventies,
Speaker 1: my whole life, this subject's being poo poohed, you know,
Speaker 1: and interested in this. People think, well, you're a bit eccentric.
Speaker 1: But if you're really interested, they think you're not quite
Speaker 1: the full quid. But people have stuck at it dogmatically,
Speaker 1: and there's great people like yourself making terribly interesting podcasts
Speaker 1: about all this. And now we're finally being proved not
Speaker 1: big crackpots. And I did mention to you that my
Speaker 1: professor friend, who wrote a wonderful book called The Troll
Speaker 1: Inside You the Paranormal in the early Middle Ages in Iceland, he's,
Speaker 1: you know, he's the world's great expert on the subject
Speaker 1: of the sagas, particularly interested in the paranormal. And when
Speaker 1: we met, he told me that he thinks that my
Speaker 1: ideas are cutting edge. He was, he was quite adamant.
Speaker 1: He said, no, don't don't let anybody call you a
Speaker 1: crack part. He says, I think the way you're thinking
Speaker 1: is cutting edge. It's evant garde. You know, I really
Speaker 1: like what you're doing. He wasn't saying, yes, I believe
Speaker 1: everything you say, Tove, but he was saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm open, I follow your channel. I really like the
Speaker 1: way you're thinking, and I think it's got legs. Basically
Speaker 1: you're saying there is something to.
Speaker 4: It, and I totally agree with him on that. And
Speaker 4: there are people with poo poo stuff like this, as
Speaker 4: you said, ignore them, ignore them, you know, and is
Speaker 4: to go to our listeners as well. If there's something
Speaker 4: that you're passionate about and you have a believe.
Speaker 1: In, do it.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure you know our listeners. We have a
Speaker 4: lot of listeners in Scandinavia and I'm sure they really
Speaker 4: appreciate the work you're doing, Dave, bringing these stories to
Speaker 4: light because there's always that slight language barrier. And I
Speaker 4: implore people to pay a visit to Viking Superpowers on YouTube.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely fast, thanks n.
Speaker 4: He's investigating the reality of human physical and paranormal superpowers
Speaker 4: and paleo contact in a traditional spirituality and mythology of
Speaker 4: the ancient Northern world. And who's that it's such a connection?
Speaker 4: Isn't there. It's fair enough here in the famous accounts
Speaker 4: of today, but we really need to look into our past,
Speaker 4: you know, our ancestors and our cultures, because they've always
Speaker 4: been here and then they pop up in accounts and
Speaker 4: law all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, it's it's astounding, you know, as you would know. Well,
Speaker 1: the more you get into this subject, the more you
Speaker 1: find things you think, whoa, that's really incredible. Like I'll
Speaker 1: tell you one fact, this blew my mind. You're being
Speaker 1: an Englishman, you'd know the Anglo Saxon Chronicle. I do
Speaker 1: you do know it? Well? The entry for the year
Speaker 1: seven ninety three. I hope I got that right. It's
Speaker 1: either seven ninety three or seven ninety seven, when the
Speaker 1: official start of the Viking Age. I'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 1: ninety three. But anyway, this Anglo Saxon chronicler, he says,
Speaker 1: you know, this year the pagan Norseman started to harry
Speaker 1: our Christian kingdom. So basically paraphrasing, but he says the
Speaker 1: year started out with great sheets of light rushing through
Speaker 1: the air and great fiery dragons. I mean, does that
Speaker 1: conjure up UFOs To? I says, I went, whoa, like
Speaker 1: great sheets of light flying through the air, fiery dragons,
Speaker 1: you know, orange bright things. That's pretty good description of
Speaker 1: the sort of stuff. Even we moderns who are used
Speaker 1: to aviation and science fiction would say, well, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like a great bright, super bright thing racing an
Speaker 1: incredible speed. So that's the Anglo Saxon Chronicle. That's literally
Speaker 1: the start of the Viking Aid. According to British histories,
Speaker 1: when they first hit Lin, it.
Speaker 4: Was a case of that they were basically just saying
Speaker 4: what they'd seen and what they're connected to. It's the
Speaker 4: same when the ancients talk about fiery chariots in the sky.
Speaker 4: It's the same kind of thing.
Speaker 1: That's it. You know that there's always been this mythologization
Speaker 1: of stories to say, well, this is the ancestors just
Speaker 1: having a big fantasy trip, making a religion, simple minded peasants, primitives, hunters.
Speaker 1: You know. The latest thing that's been going on for
Speaker 1: quite a while is to say that a lot of
Speaker 1: the spirituality of the ancients was because they're all tripping
Speaker 1: on drugs. You know, they're all tripping on some kind
Speaker 1: of mushrooms or paiete or whatever. But being a child
Speaker 1: of the sort of sixties and seventies and having seen
Speaker 1: a lot of people get into drugs, and especially you
Speaker 1: know that's the heavy stuff, but people taking psychedelics and
Speaker 1: whatever to try and find the meaning of life, man,
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. I don't really buy that
Speaker 1: as the whole reason. I think it could have something
Speaker 1: to do with it. But they often say that the
Speaker 1: berserkers were just tripping on mushrooms. But I don't know
Speaker 1: what sort of mushrooms these people have tripped on. But
Speaker 1: the mushrooms generally don't turn people into you just crazy
Speaker 1: savage fighters.
Speaker 4: It's not quite the opposite.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's not really what you think of. And
Speaker 1: the major museum in Denmark, in Copenhagen, the National Museum,
Speaker 1: they have this really popular wow for the family sort
Speaker 1: of things. You sort of walk into this mystical purple
Speaker 1: blue light and there's all these poppies growing everywhere, and
Speaker 1: there's the sham and this lady Shaman's talking about how
Speaker 1: she mixes up the secret broth and then people see
Speaker 1: the gods and see things, and it's sort of an
Speaker 1: easy thing, like the old what are you tripping on?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: You know people still do that type of thing. What
Speaker 1: she's having it must be your mind's not working properly.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the best accounts are not from
Speaker 1: people who are tripping. They're from people in charge of
Speaker 1: air bases and generals and police on patrol and you know,
Speaker 1: fighter pilots and airline pilots, all these sort of cool
Speaker 1: rational people. And I do believe the same thing with
Speaker 1: the past. I just don't buy that they were all
Speaker 1: it's all just a lot of bollocks from people who
Speaker 1: are tripping, and anybody asked went, wow, yeah, you're right man.
Speaker 1: You know your trippy vision must be like the reality
Speaker 1: of the gods. Sure, maybe, but there's also a really
Speaker 1: good possibility that they were just as intelligent as us
Speaker 1: and they were putting down what they literally saw, And
Speaker 1: that's sort of what I'm on about. Can be amazed
Speaker 1: the detail in these Bronze age rock carvings. There's some
Speaker 1: astounding stuff in there, and my artist, comic book artist's
Speaker 1: brain looks at and goes, yep, that's a ship for sure.
Speaker 1: I've even found what has to be, you know, shoeprints,
Speaker 1: as if people who never wore shoes have like gone,
Speaker 1: what's that? You know, they've seen somebody's big shoeprint in
Speaker 1: the mud, and they've drawn it and carved it on
Speaker 1: a rock because it was obviously a very strange thing
Speaker 1: from these people who can fly, and here they see
Speaker 1: in the sky and it came down and they you know,
Speaker 1: the interesting thing with the Viking heads, it's really a
Speaker 1: story not only of the exploits of you know, really
Speaker 1: pretty out there god's stories at times, which I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's all extraterrestrials. There's a lot of it that
Speaker 1: just seems to be ancient folks stories, but they literally
Speaker 1: say they they bred with the people. They came a
Speaker 1: big part of their thing, you know, Odin and his crew,
Speaker 1: almost like Genghis Khan. They seem to be really into
Speaker 1: mating with all the people wherever they went. And there's
Speaker 1: this really strong Indo European tradition of the sky Father
Speaker 1: and the Earth Mother, and it's always like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the people thought that the gods mated with, usually the
Speaker 1: upper class and you know, the royal families and whatever.
Speaker 1: So they could say, yeah, we're half God, and so
Speaker 1: that's why you should a biask us. We're not just
Speaker 1: ordinary people. But that's what the stories are saying. That
Speaker 1: they that was a big part of their mission seemed
Speaker 1: to be to put their genetics into the human race.
Speaker 1: You know, these stories are found all over the world.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's pretty interesting enough.
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Speaker 4: These stories are found although the world. You can see
Speaker 4: parallels and connections and maybe even recycling some of these
Speaker 4: stories in some of our religious text.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's what that obfuscation that I was talking about
Speaker 1: some big words. I know them so well, but I
Speaker 1: rarely say that. By mistranslating him and the Norse word
Speaker 1: which means the sky and what's above the sky, by
Speaker 1: mistransl that is heaven into English in translation, which has
Speaker 1: been done routinely for centuries, it immediately turns it into
Speaker 1: a sort of a fantasy. It turns it into a
Speaker 1: religious tale. You know somewhere that's not this reality. It's
Speaker 1: in some other place, some heavenly place. And I make
Speaker 1: this point over and over, and Paul Wallace makes his
Speaker 1: point in his books and Moroo Biglino that the words
Speaker 1: that are in Hebrew and Greek that get translated as
Speaker 1: heaven in the English translations actually just literally mean the sky.
Speaker 1: And that's a whole different perspective. When you say Jesus
Speaker 1: was lifted up into heaven, we're like, you know, he
Speaker 1: goes off to heaven. But the word it's literally saying
Speaker 1: he was lifted up to outer space, or he's lifted
Speaker 1: up right up into the sky. So people were singing
Speaker 1: something like that, he didn't just disappear, they saw him
Speaker 1: actually sort of fly, and a lot of the interpretations
Speaker 1: seemed to indicate that it was in some kind of
Speaker 1: a cloud, which is often used as a word for craft.
Speaker 1: Seems to be some kind of craft, and same as
Speaker 1: the Viking stuffy. There's lots of stories of flying beings.
Speaker 1: And one of my first videos is about the sky
Speaker 1: people and some pretty mind boggling bits of jewelry and
Speaker 1: artifacts from the Viking Age and earlier that you just go,
Speaker 1: my God, that's like looks like a wingsuit or looks
Speaker 1: like some kind of fighter plane. Very vondanic eish. You'd
Speaker 1: probably know this nick. But the priestly class came out
Speaker 1: of Rome. You know, it was driven by the Roman Church,
Speaker 1: and I won't get into all the crusading stuff they
Speaker 1: did that was really uncool. But they had literacy and
Speaker 1: most of the other people didn't. So they immediately had
Speaker 1: this sort of a computer code. They said, look, this
Speaker 1: is God because we've got this code, you know, we
Speaker 1: can just read this and I can give it to
Speaker 1: that guy over there who's never seen this and he
Speaker 1: can start reading it. So people are like, wow, that
Speaker 1: has to be the truth, Like how high tech is that?
Speaker 1: But what they did was they destroyed all evidence to
Speaker 1: the contrary, and they changed the perspective on words and
Speaker 1: what they meant purposely to hide what had actually been
Speaker 1: written in the old books. And that's what I found
Speaker 1: in the Scandinavian text is that that typical heaven, Like
Speaker 1: who uses the word heaven? I mean they still use it,
Speaker 1: and you can get modern texts and they'll translate those
Speaker 1: words as heaven when they're talking about the Viking gods,
Speaker 1: but nobody uses that word. It's elizabethan sort of era word.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a King James English word from the
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred sixteen hundreds, and back then people would say, oh, look,
Speaker 1: it's a nice heaven looks nice tonight. You know they're
Speaker 1: looking at the sky. But when you say it to
Speaker 1: modern people, you're tricking them. You know, you're saying, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: they went to heaven. But you know, if you're translating
Speaker 1: a book, you know that that's not really what the
Speaker 1: word is. You're just using that word because it hides
Speaker 1: a certain concrete reality that you don't want people to
Speaker 1: think about. One of the classics is I go It's
Speaker 1: Great Pigle The Roosts Book of Mythology, one of the
Speaker 1: famous old textbooks about world mythology, and it literally says
Speaker 1: it's written in the sixties, which surprised me. But it
Speaker 1: literally says at the start of the book, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, Christianity is not a myth. Where we
Speaker 1: don't treat the stories of Christianity as a myth because
Speaker 1: they're real, but everybody else's stories they're all just nice
Speaker 1: fantasies about what imaginary gods and I laughed when I
Speaker 1: read it, and I thought, now that's the headspace of
Speaker 1: all fanatics. It's like ours is right, yours is wrong.
Speaker 1: Ours is the real thing, the good thing, Yours is
Speaker 1: the devil. It's all evil. And that attitude is still
Speaker 1: there amongst academia and a lot of places. People still
Speaker 1: have that set up with their minds that they're scared
Speaker 1: of the strange and the unusual, the unfamiliar, and they
Speaker 1: like the fact that they can just treat these stories
Speaker 1: as just stories for kids. And Scandinavians always tell me, yeah,
Speaker 1: we were taught these stories of Owen and Thor, but
Speaker 1: we're always taught it as just like kids stuff. It's
Speaker 1: you know, it's like comic books. It's not to be
Speaker 1: taken seriously.
Speaker 4: It makes you wonder how much, you know, how much
Speaker 4: of this stuff is actually hidden from us. We all
Speaker 4: grew up with stories of fairy tales and folklore. You know,
Speaker 4: there's so much we can learn from, you know, from
Speaker 4: listening to these accounts. They weren't just fictional stuff fought
Speaker 4: up by people at the time. Do believe there's a
Speaker 4: lot of truth in all this? On your journey to Iceland,
Speaker 4: did you get the chance to be is it the
Speaker 4: little elf?
Speaker 1: Funny enough? I looked for him everywhere, and I had
Speaker 1: my Icelandic friend took me all over the south of
Speaker 1: that Iceland particularly, but I never saw elf houses. I've
Speaker 1: actually got some Icelandic ones on my bookcase that she
Speaker 1: sent me empteen years ago. But what I did. She's
Speaker 1: my friend's very Christian. She's an open minded, really cool person,
Speaker 1: but didn't really want to buy into the whole elf thing.
Speaker 1: But she wanted me to have the best experience. So
Speaker 1: she introduced me to one of her friends who believes
Speaker 1: in the elves. And I went to her farm, beautiful farm,
Speaker 1: and she was telling me that the elves do live
Speaker 1: in that area and that, and sheunts. She recounted some
Speaker 1: pretty trippy stories about experiences she'd had. The elves had
Speaker 1: communicated to her and not just spoke to her, but
Speaker 1: sort of paralyzed her. If she's out in the field,
Speaker 1: she couldn't move for ages. Things were going on. Her
Speaker 1: English wasn't as good as my other friend, but we
Speaker 1: get on really like a house on fire. And I
Speaker 1: found a very very intelligent lady. It's just a lot
Speaker 1: of Icelanders do feel the same as her, and my
Speaker 1: experience with Iceland is that then they're sort of nominally Christian.
Speaker 1: There is a core of people who are really Christian,
Speaker 1: really Pentecostal, really into the Bible. But I think a
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of Icelanders throughout history have seen
Speaker 1: the Church as a real authoritarian imposition, and the Church
Speaker 1: has done some pretty beastly things to them. You know,
Speaker 1: It's never been a big community, and most of the
Speaker 1: time they only had thirty thousand people in the whole country,
Speaker 1: So it's sort of a small town thing. And if
Speaker 1: you start really doing bad things to people in a
Speaker 1: small town, people rarely resent it because everyone knows each
Speaker 1: It's not like in huge countries where things can just
Speaker 1: get swept under the carpet. Based on Iceland, everyone knows everybody,
Speaker 1: and if you're too harsh, you get a pretty strong reaction.
Speaker 1: And I don't. My feeling is that the Icelanders have
Speaker 1: never really fully let go of the old beliefs. And
Speaker 1: I've met a lot of Icelanders who really liked what
Speaker 1: I'm doing, and we're going, yeah, this is cool. You know,
Speaker 1: we we're with you, you know, we think this is
Speaker 1: actually probably closer to the truth than a lot of
Speaker 1: other things people talk about. Heaps of Scandinavians actually right
Speaker 1: to me, something I really love. I was dreading that
Speaker 1: they would go, oh, you know, come on, Ozzie, you
Speaker 1: know you can't talk about our history. You're not the Scandinavian.
Speaker 1: But I had lots of Scandinavians right to me and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: right on, brother, you know we all think the same thing.
Speaker 1: You know, this is really really interesting.
Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 4: I totally agree. People should be prayed about their history
Speaker 4: and they're old stories and they shouldn't let go of
Speaker 4: that at all. I mean when it comes to Iceland,
Speaker 4: I mean this show has been number one on the
Speaker 4: Apple charts in Iceland, so I know we do have
Speaker 4: heaps of listeners. Well done for Dave to get in there,
Speaker 4: and I hope, certainly hope you go back and explore
Speaker 4: some more and then come back with some more wonderful stories.
Speaker 1: Absolutely nick, I do. And Hi to the Icelanders out there.
Speaker 1: I love you guys. I love your country. Please forgive
Speaker 1: me if you think I'm weird, but I think I'm
Speaker 1: want the money. I think Icelanders behind this look forward
Speaker 1: to seeing again.
Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah. And to our Icelandic listeners you know, if
Speaker 4: you do have any accounts of elves, feel free to
Speaker 4: get in contact. We would love to hear about them.
Speaker 4: And I've even heard stories that they even detour roads
Speaker 4: so they don't come in contact with the elf places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big thing. It's to be honest. Icelanders
Speaker 1: tend to think that a lot of that stuff is
Speaker 1: just tourists clickbait, you know, it's sort of tourists. Tour
Speaker 1: operators always want to find great hooks to get people
Speaker 1: to come to their see their thing. If I had
Speaker 1: a bit more time in Raykivick, there's a I think
Speaker 1: there's an elf museum, and I really wanted to get there,
Speaker 1: but I ended up spending a lot of time out
Speaker 1: in the country scene or fabulous volcanoes and waterfalls and
Speaker 1: historical points from the sagas, particularly one that I'm really
Speaker 1: mad about, which is called Nahle Saga. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of dollars in the elf industry because people
Speaker 1: find it charming and sort of cool to think that
Speaker 1: these very modern, sophisticated people, which is what Icelanders are
Speaker 1: also open to this stuff. And I also wanted to
Speaker 1: see that also through people there that you know, sort of.
Speaker 1: It's like an official religion in Iceland now, and people
Speaker 1: believe in the old gods, but they seem to be
Speaker 1: very cool people who don't necessarily worship Odin and Thor
Speaker 1: as actual gods. But they're just sort of like you
Speaker 1: and I, open to the mysterious, and they considered, as
Speaker 1: you know, as energies and spiritual stuff going on, linked
Speaker 1: to our old ancestral stories and as an ossie, I'm
Speaker 1: a British Ozzy, so my ancestors mostly from England, Scotland
Speaker 1: and Ireland, a bit of Welsh. I guess I'm pretty British,
Speaker 1: but we've got that same sort of history and the
Speaker 1: same elves and things going on, and our Great Britain.
Speaker 1: You probably know this, but there's a massive genetic connection
Speaker 1: between Britain and Iceland, and the Icelanders are pretty much
Speaker 1: like modern Scots. They're sort of half Norse, half Gaelic.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of really interesting research to be
Speaker 1: done about that connection and about ancient Gaelic beliefs and
Speaker 1: writings and experiences.
Speaker 4: And all connected, aren't we. You know, we look back
Speaker 4: far enough, we are all connected. Wonderful stuff. Dave to
Speaker 4: our listeners, I will make all of Dave's links available,
Speaker 4: and I do suggest you go check out Vikings who
Speaker 4: part It's interesting. If you have an interest in UFOs
Speaker 4: and the paranormal, you will find his content very insightful.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Nick, he enjoyed talking to you.
Speaker 4: You're more than welcome. It makes you wonder, Dave. You know,
Speaker 4: if you go back to your your experience from nineteen
Speaker 4: sixty five, how much do you think your early experiences
Speaker 4: has had has kind of influenced you to take this
Speaker 4: path that you have done quest for knowledge.
Speaker 1: Well, look, if I really go out on the limb,
Speaker 1: I think there was a big source away then. Man
Speaker 1: about nineteen sixty five, sixty six, sixty seven here in Australia,
Speaker 1: and there's so many people who have accounts of maybe
Speaker 1: being aducted or seeing craft very close which could have
Speaker 1: grabbed them. But it seems to be a thing with kids,
Speaker 1: especially around about that age. For some reason. About seven
Speaker 1: I've read about this and I think, as I said,
Speaker 1: going out on a limb, but I think either they
Speaker 1: tweaked me a bit, or they sort of noted that
Speaker 1: I had a particular genetic makeup that was interesting and
Speaker 1: just doesn't sound like bragging, But when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, in year ten, we had to think all
Speaker 1: the common scholarship. They tested our IQ and I came
Speaker 1: out in the top ten percent of Australia and I
Speaker 1: actually got a big award to help me with the
Speaker 1: schooling and that sort of thing. And I've experienced so
Speaker 1: many well, a lot of telepathic experiences, a lot of
Speaker 1: dreams and visions and unusual things that not something that
Speaker 1: I've tried to have that just happened to me. And
Speaker 1: I feel as if I'm one of the people, one
Speaker 1: of probably millions have been a bit tweaked, you know,
Speaker 1: a bit sort of because I think that's the project.
Speaker 1: If these beings are real and what they're doing is real,
Speaker 1: I think it's certainly there. They're improving the human race,
Speaker 1: the sort of guiding our direction. And I think the
Speaker 1: more people who are spiritual, who are tuned into the unknown,
Speaker 1: who are able to link into the Great Mind as
Speaker 1: I call it, you know, the great Self, for creativity,
Speaker 1: for direction, I think they did something to me. So
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm far from a perfect human being. I
Speaker 1: drive the best, but I just think that like a
Speaker 1: farmer does you know, and breeders. They attend to their creatures,
Speaker 1: their animals, and certain ones have you know, like the
Speaker 1: Icelandic sheep, they can be out there all winter. That's
Speaker 1: obviously a real advantage. So that you know, genetics either
Speaker 1: happens randomly or or people do it. Humans have Allay
Speaker 1: has done it with animals, so I can't see why
Speaker 1: it couldn't have been done to us.
Speaker 4: You know, if you go back on all of my guests,
Speaker 4: all five year old, six year olds, that is something
Speaker 4: which pops up quite a lot. And I do believe
Speaker 4: a lot of people are touched by these things very
Speaker 4: early on. And if you look a lot my guests
Speaker 4: which have gone into certain paths, their artists or their authors, filmmakers,
Speaker 4: all this has propelled them to go on this this
Speaker 4: own journey of self discovery and looking for answers. And
Speaker 4: this happens all over the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It's the great thing about now we're
Speaker 1: all talking and finding out what's been going on all
Speaker 1: over the world. We can sort of get to each
Speaker 1: other and swap stories. And I never absolutely believe anything,
Speaker 1: but I gradually come to feel more strongly about certain things.
Speaker 1: The more I feel it's been proven to me or
Speaker 1: you know, the more I see.
Speaker 4: It, Absolutely we can discount things. We just need to
Speaker 4: explore and learn about this. We're talking about this earlier
Speaker 4: where you know, in schools these days, the education systems
Speaker 4: is slightly changing, you know, not teaching the history like
Speaker 4: they used to, when we're starting to lose this interest.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and one thing I must it's a strong language,
Speaker 1: but I really detest the bias in Wikipedia and with
Speaker 1: Ted Talks and of other things, against all spiritual experience
Speaker 1: they live and paranormal experience they just totally discounted. You know,
Speaker 1: if you go looking up PSI, PSI psychic abilities, look
Speaker 1: up telepathy, clearvoyance, telekinesis at alone UFOs, you will be
Speaker 1: told clearly that there's no such thing. There's never been
Speaker 1: such a thing. There's absolutely no proof, and that's just
Speaker 1: shockingly dishonest. It's you know, there's actually a group called
Speaker 1: the Wikipedia are the Atheist Gorillas, a group of a
Speaker 1: few hundred people who just working teams to take down
Speaker 1: anything about these things being real, and you know, right
Speaker 1: against Wikipedia's supposed charter. And then you've got the Ted Talks,
Speaker 1: which I always loved, always thought, wow, this is so cool.
Speaker 1: They get the cutting edge people, but then you find
Speaker 1: that anything to do with this is just pillaried and
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. It's like, who's paying you
Speaker 1: to do this? Who's behind this? Because I just me,
Speaker 1: little old Ossie. I've had so many experiences that I
Speaker 1: can argue to anybody. I'd be happy to sit with
Speaker 1: Richard Dawkins and talk about this stuff. I can tell
Speaker 1: you this happened, and it's real. And as in my
Speaker 1: coming though, I can actually show energy that is very
Speaker 1: hard to explain. I can show abilities that are physical
Speaker 1: that affect people, and it's really hard to say, oh
Speaker 1: that yes, because I'm flinging somebody across the room, or
Speaker 1: you know, I'm showing them actual force, but saying but
Speaker 1: I'm feeling nothing because I'm using a different type of mind.
Speaker 1: I'm using what you might call paranormal, but it's not
Speaker 1: really paranormal. It's energy. It's a sort of energy. And
Speaker 1: you know this at the same time, this sort of thing,
Speaker 1: this Chinese caught cheap, but it's poo pooh. It's like, oh, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: you know that's not real. That's just a Chinese superstition.
Speaker 1: You know, we're modern, we're scientific, we don't believe in stuff.
Speaker 1: But when was science so closed minded? Like why are
Speaker 1: you proud of saying I'm scientific and I know for
Speaker 1: sure this is not real? You don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: you're discounting the millions of voices saying yes, and you
Speaker 1: say no, it can't be possible. Therefore it isn't that's
Speaker 1: not science, that's dogma.
Speaker 4: There is a war on information these days. A lot
Speaker 4: of our listener's no outeare that. You know, you've got
Speaker 4: to be careful you get your information from these days
Speaker 4: because some of it, you know, they just put you know,
Speaker 4: people just putting out junk. And yeah, Wikipedia, it can
Speaker 4: be edited by anyone. It's not a great place to
Speaker 4: get your information from. You know, I'd certainly go back
Speaker 4: to the old books. They can't they can't change the
Speaker 4: information in the old books.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's so absolutely true. Quantum physics is easy to
Speaker 1: throw around, you know, especially when you're not a quantum
Speaker 1: physicists are a mathematician. It's very popular to just dredge
Speaker 1: it up and say yes, quantum physics says that it's
Speaker 1: all about consciousness, but it actually does say that, you know,
Speaker 1: like some of the great original geniuses who came up
Speaker 1: with quantum physics. You know, Nil's Moore, and there's a
Speaker 1: few others that I can't grab out of my head
Speaker 1: straight away, but who literally said consciousness is everything, and
Speaker 1: quantum physics is telling us that everything is like a dream,
Speaker 1: like a thought. Reality is not concrete, and it appears
Speaker 1: to be consciousness, and out of consciousness comes matter, and
Speaker 1: that's been around for over one hundred years. And you've
Speaker 1: got to say, well, if everything's consciousness rather than rock
Speaker 1: hard material, then why can't dreams and visions and creative
Speaker 1: ideas become real? Do you know what I mean? It's
Speaker 1: like the matrix sort of thing. That's pretty much what
Speaker 1: quantum physics, in a very very layman sort of approach
Speaker 1: is saying that's you've got to observe it for it
Speaker 1: to become real, and if you're not observing it, maybe
Speaker 1: it's not actually there. And consciousness, like in my Kungfu,
Speaker 1: we drive the kung fu with consciousness in a very
Speaker 1: unusual way where we purposely meditate to make our body virtual.
Speaker 1: To use modern language, we sort of become just an
Speaker 1: image in our minds, a three D image of the body,
Speaker 1: and the other guy's the same thing, and then we
Speaker 1: put we touch points in the other person or in
Speaker 1: weapons with their mind, and then we move it. Now
Speaker 1: you can say, okay, great fantasy sounds nice, very cool,
Speaker 1: kung fu like a movie. But I can actually show it.
Speaker 1: I can say we'll feel this, and the people who
Speaker 1: do feel it just go, my god, how is that possible?
Speaker 1: What's that? That's just what I told you. It's like
Speaker 1: everything is virtual, an ancient Chinese art, and everybody knows
Speaker 1: their part. It's wisdom from outside the supposed scientific consensus,
Speaker 1: from other ancient cultures who say, yeah, but this is real.
Speaker 1: We are at a bit of a junction where, you know,
Speaker 1: the old the old things are coming back. People are
Speaker 1: a bit tired of being told that these things are impossible.
Speaker 4: Wonderful stuff.
Speaker 1: We are all energy, Dave.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate you coming on sharing that all for
Speaker 4: our listeners.
Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled to have had the chance. Nick, You're
Speaker 1: more than welcome.
Speaker 4: It's wonderful to meet you. Okay, you enjoyed the rest
Speaker 4: of your day, and we will speak.
Speaker 1: Soon, sir. All right, mate, we will.
Speaker 4: I'll look forward to take care for nowadays, speak soon,
Speaker 4: Take care mate. That is all for this episode. Keep
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Speaker 4: Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Dave
Speaker 4: for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I
Speaker 4: will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and
Speaker 4: keep watching the Skies. Goodbye, n