1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,719 my daily show prep with all of the links, become 6 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:22,359 a patron, go to dpeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,920 hit the subscribe button. Get every episode for free right 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,320 to your smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,359 much for your support. And I regret to inform you 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,799 we have lost another one, another chief deputy at the 11 00:00:35,799 --> 00:00:38,679 Meckelberg County Sheriff's Office. I will get to that first. 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,039 Want to welcome to the show as we do every 13 00:00:41,079 --> 00:00:45,520 Tuesday at noon. Andrew Dunn. He is a contributing columnist 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,240 over at the Charlotte Observer. He also runs the website 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,520 Longleaf Politics longleafpol dot com. Andrew, how are you, sir? 16 00:00:53,799 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: I'm well, Thanks for having me, thanks. 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: For joining us. As always I appreciate it. So I 18 00:00:59,679 --> 00:01:05,359 guess by coincidence you had a piece about the Mecklelimberg 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:10,480 County jail. But also Sheriff Gary not my fault McFadden 20 00:01:10,599 --> 00:01:13,640 as I refer to him, because nothing is ever his fault. 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,359 No matter what goes wrong at the jail, it's never 22 00:01:16,439 --> 00:01:20,040 his fault. And so you had a piece. Coincidentally, I 23 00:01:20,079 --> 00:01:22,159 am assuming you did not know that he was about 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,760 to have another one of his deputies, his second in command, 25 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,920 quit on him and write a scathing resignation letter. 26 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,359 Speaker 2: No, no, I had no special insight. 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,239 Speaker 1: So but you also had a piece at Long Leaved 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,799 Politics that kind of dovetails into your write up at 29 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,840 the Observer about the Meclimberg jail. And so you start 30 00:01:43,879 --> 00:01:46,519 off with the question do we have a jail or 31 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,640 a wellness retreat? And I kind of feel like it's 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,480 more like a college campus student union kind of a vibe, 33 00:01:53,519 --> 00:01:56,480 or maybe like a Silicon Valley startup that you know, 34 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,120 they let you bring your dog to the campus and 35 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,319 he got a foosball table in the break room. 36 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:01,719 Speaker 3: I got. 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,239 Speaker 1: I get the idea, that's the vibe he's going for. 38 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:09,280 So you write about the DJ booth and you wrote 39 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:13,039 about the opening up of the jail for dinners or 40 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,479 something to the public, which I had not heard of. 41 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:19,840 So why did you decide to look at the jail 42 00:02:19,879 --> 00:02:22,000 and what are these I mean, I've talked about the 43 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:23,680 DJ booth I had, Like I said, I did not 44 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,120 know anything about the dinner service that they were apparently running. 45 00:02:27,479 --> 00:02:28,240 What's that about. 46 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, you know, the Mecklunberg County Jail has really 47 00:02:32,719 --> 00:02:35,520 had a rough stretch over the last couple of years. 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,240 You know, last year there was a huge spike in 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,120 inmate deaths, and then over the past year there's been 50 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,240 a lot of high level resignations and people talking about 51 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,520 a negative work environment. A lot of that has been managerial, 52 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,719 but somebody who worked at the jail did get stabs 53 00:02:53,719 --> 00:02:56,800 while on the job by a coworker not too long ago. 54 00:02:56,759 --> 00:02:59,599 Speaker 1: At the intake center at intake. Yeah, like how do 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,280 you get a knife into intake? 56 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: Should not be able to anyway. So, you know, I've 57 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,080 been reading all these all this bad news about the jail, 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,400 and so it piqued my interest when I saw the 59 00:03:11,479 --> 00:03:15,199 DJ booth. You know, there there's a new recording studio 60 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,960 for inmates at the jail, and the dinners is really interesting. 61 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,280 So they had this ticketed event. You paid eighty dollars 62 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:26,120 anybody in the public and you went in and sat 63 00:03:26,159 --> 00:03:30,280 alongside the inmates for a five course meal of Thomas 64 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,120 Ai inspired items. So we're talking about, you know, food 65 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:39,560 with like cheeto crumbled up cheetos on top of it. 66 00:03:39,919 --> 00:03:42,039 I don't know, it was pretty wild. 67 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: Because that's what I would like to do. I'd like 68 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:47,400 to spend eighty dollars on prison food, our jail food. 69 00:03:47,479 --> 00:03:47,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. 70 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well elevated prison food. 71 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: Right. 72 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: If you put the word elevated in front of it, 73 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:53,560 it makes everything good. 74 00:03:53,639 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you put a bunch of words like on 75 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,520 the menu that nobody knows but they're too embarrassed to 76 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,680 ask what they mean that kind of elevated as well. 77 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I wanted to write about this 78 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,159 because well, my first reaction was, you know, I call 79 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,840 me old fashioned, but you know, isn't jail supposed to 80 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:16,439 be punishment to some extent? But then as I thought 81 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:21,480 more deeply about it, I realized, you know, the jail, 82 00:04:22,199 --> 00:04:25,079 Mechluber County Jail, has no business kind of opening things 83 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:28,319 up when there's still all these problems that need to 84 00:04:28,319 --> 00:04:31,120 be sorted out. I mean, now is the time to 85 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,120 lock things down, you know, to not create any more 86 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,399 avenues where you know, illegal drugs can get into the jail. 87 00:04:37,439 --> 00:04:40,480 I mean that's been a huge factor in the in 88 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:41,319 the inmate death. 89 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 4: You know, let's. 90 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 2: Focus on the basics before we start even considering some 91 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:48,839 of these fancier things, right. 92 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: Well, and that's one of the things that well, I 93 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,240 guess we could call him now DJ not my fault, McFadden. 94 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,480 There's one of the things that that he blamed was 95 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,319 fentanyl for all of the deaths, because it's never his 96 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,319 fault of course, right, So it was all of the 97 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,639 fentanyl depths and he can't control what people come in 98 00:05:07,079 --> 00:05:09,879 if they've got it in their system or something. Although 99 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:13,079 the guy who just died in the jail like a 100 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,560 week or so ago, he was in his like he 101 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,560 was there for a long time. He was there for 102 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,759 like two years, I want to say, and he was 103 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,000 a younger guy. I think he was in his thirties. So, like, 104 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:26,480 I'm not sure what all went down. We haven't I 105 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,120 haven't seen any update as to how he died. But 106 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,839 that kind of sounds like it might be drug related. 107 00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:36,279 So it seems pretty obvious that drugs are getting into 108 00:05:36,399 --> 00:05:39,439 the jail. And yeah, like to your point, if you're 109 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:43,079 going to open up the doors to a public, ticketed event, 110 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,600 who's to say that bad actors aren't going to take 111 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:49,879 advantage of this to smuggle drugs into the jail. 112 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:54,199 Speaker 2: Right exactly. I haven't heard any update either on the 113 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,240 most recent death. And I'm not saying that something the 114 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:00,480 farious happened. You know, people used a dinner to smuggle 115 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:03,600 things in. But I mean, at least there's a risk there. 116 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,639 Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, I mean that's the I mean, that's the 117 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:09,480 whole point of you know, running a secure operation facility 118 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,000 like this is you have to think in those types 119 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,680 of terms because they're always going to be trying to 120 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,439 get illicit material and substances into the jail. Of course, 121 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,720 they are also the amount of deaths if I recall 122 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,519 correctly mcfatt since he's been in office, I want to say, 123 00:06:27,519 --> 00:06:31,120 now the total death toll in the jails among don't 124 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:37,399 call them inmates, residents as he likes to call it, right, yeah, residents, Yes, eighteen. 125 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,360 I think he's it's like he's averaging about three a year. 126 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,720 And he points out that, you know, he's taking credit 127 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:48,279 for there not being a jail death I think in 128 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:51,800 the last year or something like that. But but now 129 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,160 we just had another one, so I guess that streak 130 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:58,720 is over. But this is interesting because it's something I 131 00:06:58,759 --> 00:07:01,839 always talk about with local government especially, but all government, 132 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:05,000 which is you have first priorities. You talk about first 133 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,480 principles in your piece at Long Leave Politics, which really 134 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,800 like when governments start doing more and more things, they 135 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:16,360 lose sight of the first order priority right like to 136 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:19,720 and in my view, government is there to provide security 137 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:23,519 so we can all engage in free enterprise and commerce 138 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:25,920 and we can have a high trust society with the 139 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:29,399 expectation that we will be secure and if somebody does 140 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:31,920 do something to us, there will be justice meted out. 141 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:36,839 And it seems like McFadden has kind of lost sight 142 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,519 of that sort of first principle. 143 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,319 Speaker 2: I think that's fair to say. You know, I got 144 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:46,199 a statement from Sheriff McFadden. I didn't actually get to 145 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,920 talk to him on the phone, but he said, you know, 146 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:53,079 all these programs are through some national Sheriff's Association best 147 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:57,600 practices research supported and I don't doubt that he could 148 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:00,480 pull some studies to say that it's good or not, 149 00:08:00,959 --> 00:08:03,319 or say that it's good. But I have a lot 150 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,199 of skepticism inherently and any of those you know, nationwide 151 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,959 advocacy organizations. But you're right, the heart of the matter 152 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,800 is what is jail four actually? And I don't think 153 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:19,759 that there's too much of that question going around Mecklenberg 154 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,120 County jail today. I mean, when I think of what 155 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,079 a jail is for, is you know, you're going to 156 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:27,759 keep bad guys in, you're going to keep bad stuff out, 157 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,399 and you're gonna keep people until they go face justice. 158 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:33,080 I mean, that's all you have to do. 159 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. In your piece at The Observer, you say policy 160 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,000 swings like a pendulum. After years of tough on crime, 161 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,519 the impulse in liberal cities like Charlotte now is to 162 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,039 soften every edge. You say, we don't need to swing 163 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:49,200 back to cruelty, but we do need to stop confusing 164 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:53,559 generosity with clarity. So I read that and I thought, well, 165 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,360 what is the incentive for our local leaders to actually 166 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,960 do that? I Mean, my view on this is is 167 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,600 this suicidal empathy animates so much of the political left 168 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,879 now that like, I don't know if there is any 169 00:09:08,879 --> 00:09:11,279 incentive for them to do anything different. 170 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,639 Speaker 2: No, you're right, I mean I think it would require 171 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,480 things to truly get to an overwhelming crisis point, you know, 172 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,360 but nationally, the tide does seem to be turning some. 173 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:28,480 I mean, even Gavin Newsom is running to the center, 174 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,639 the governor California, on some of these law and order issues. 175 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:36,720 I think the election of Donald Trump in twenty twenty 176 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:40,240 four was a major sign that people are getting tired 177 00:09:40,279 --> 00:09:44,399 of some of this, as you put it, the suicidal empathy. 178 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's a choice. I've been saying, especially on 179 00:09:47,879 --> 00:09:50,440 the criminal justice front, this is all a choice, and 180 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,519 it doesn't stop until voters say stop so and maybe 181 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:57,799 we are approaching that point. We shall see. Andrew always 182 00:09:57,799 --> 00:09:59,159 going to talk with you, sir, Thanks so much for 183 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,000 your time, appreciate it. 184 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: Thank you. 185 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: All right. That's Andrew Dunn. He is a contributing columnist 186 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,200 over at the Charlotte Observer, also the purveyor of long 187 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,639 Leaf Politics long leafpol dot com. Highly recommend it. 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I guess it was maybe three weeks. 210 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:27,039 I think it's been three weeks since we've had some 211 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:34,879 embarrassment of a scandalous story out of Charlotte government. And 212 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,080 it's not the city Council again, although we do have 213 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:44,720 a sitting member running for reelection who is under federal indictment, 214 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:48,519 so that's kind of an ongoing semi scandalous story. You 215 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,320 know or scandalous story. Still it's like every single day 216 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:55,279 is probably like just re up that because it's a scandal. 217 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,320 But no, it's another. It's another story out of the 218 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:06,879 Mecklenbergy Sheriff's office. Another number two has been really or 219 00:12:06,919 --> 00:12:10,879 no has has quit. He quit. He did not get fired. 220 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:18,080 He quit. This is Chief Deputy Chris Allen, and he 221 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:25,679 resigned yesterday morning. And I have his resignation letter. It 222 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,480 is you got to hear the whole thing. And if 223 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,480 it sounds familiar, it's because Chris Allen replaced Kevin Canty 224 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:39,120 as the second in command after Canty quit less than 225 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:42,759 a year ago, and he wrote a resignation letter that 226 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:47,799 sounds like this one. I don't know what else democrats 227 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,360 need to hear, except now you've got and this isn't 228 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,360 like I have I brought with me. Here's my whole 229 00:12:55,399 --> 00:13:01,159 stack of McFadden related buffoonery. Okay, and I've got all 230 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,519 of the Kevin Canty stuff. Remember Aileen Maddox remember her. 231 00:13:06,279 --> 00:13:09,600 She was a former employee. She worked in the front 232 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:15,879 office among the command staff, and she quit she observed 233 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:19,120 a change in McFadden's behavior. This was from when she 234 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,759 spoke on the Vince Cochley Show back in November. She 235 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,360 tried to satisfy his demands, but he could never articulate 236 00:13:25,399 --> 00:13:28,600 what he wanted. Well, that's because his command staff left 237 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:32,639 him so flustrated. He could not articulate what it was 238 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:37,159 that he wanted. His approach was, maybe if you don't 239 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:39,440 know what to do to make improvements, then you shouldn't 240 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,120 be in your position. But the staff was looking for 241 00:13:42,159 --> 00:13:45,399 a vision, and his response was, you're not ready for 242 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:51,360 my vision. Tell you what you Just do something and 243 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,279 I'll let you know if that comports with my vision. Well, 244 00:13:56,279 --> 00:13:58,279 why don't you just tell me what your vision is? No? No, No, 245 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,000 you can't handle my vision. I'm I'm pretty sure I 246 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:06,559 could handle that. Yeah, just how about just give it 247 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,440 a test and we'll see, like maybe just a part 248 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,519 of the vision, like do like one eye open or something. 249 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,759 Just give me half the vision and we'll see if 250 00:14:12,799 --> 00:14:23,279 I can follow along. So here's the letter from again 251 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,559 Chris Allen, chief Deputy now former. I would like this 252 00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:29,919 letter to serve as my official letter of resignation from 253 00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:32,399 the position of Chief Deputy of the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's 254 00:14:32,399 --> 00:14:35,639 Office after being under your leadership for the last year, 255 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,639 I have come to the realization that your values and 256 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:45,840 morals do not align with mine. Coming in hot, he is, 257 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:50,200 coming in hot, he goes on. It troubles me to 258 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,600 have to write this letter because when I first met you, 259 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:55,879 I had the utmost respect for you as the sheriff 260 00:14:55,919 --> 00:14:59,080 of the largest sheriff's office in North Carolina. Okay, hang 261 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,879 on all right now, How is that possible You got 262 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:09,320 the job because Kevin Canty quit and wrote the wrote 263 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,360 that resignation letter that went public, did interviews, We had 264 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:16,320 him on the program. We had him in studio for 265 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,799 an hour talking about his tenure there, Like this stuff 266 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,600 could not have been unknown, like at some point early on, 267 00:15:25,039 --> 00:15:28,240 it's it's understandable, like you you know, you don't know 268 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,600 anything about McFadden's style or anything. But by this point, 269 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:37,679 like you've got the Charlotte Observer editorial board saying McFadden 270 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:44,879 is not fit for the office. So I don't know. 271 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,879 I don't know if you can say that you were 272 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:54,519 completely blinded to you know, all of these stories, Sheriff McFadden. 273 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:57,240 He says, you painted a picture of a great agency 274 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,279 where the employees were happy and just needed a little guidance. 275 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,519 I was excited for an opportunity to make a difference 276 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:08,440 and further my career. Unfortunately, shortly after coming aboard, I 277 00:16:08,559 --> 00:16:12,200 realized that the picture you painted was not true and 278 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,519 quite the opposite. During my tenure at this agency, I 279 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:24,480 have endured constant backstabbing, lies, disrespect, and false narratives, all 280 00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:29,000 orchestrated by you in an attempt to assassinate my character. 281 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:33,120 The fact that you willingly coerced other staff members to 282 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:38,200 malign me in many ways greatly contributed to my inability 283 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:46,720 to no longer trust you toxic guys. This sheriff is toxic. 284 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,559 He is a raging narcissist. I have been saying this 285 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:58,039 now for several years. It is obvious he does not 286 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,720 belong in any leadership post. He is unfit to be 287 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:08,839 the sheriff. There are ways to remove him. I will 288 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:10,839 go over them. I go over them every time he's 289 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:16,480 back in the news for this kind of stuff. The 290 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:19,480 letter continues. It saddens me to say that I have 291 00:17:19,519 --> 00:17:21,960 been in law enforcement for over twenty years, and this 292 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,599 last year that I have served under your leadership has 293 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:29,119 been the worst year of my entire law enforcement career. 294 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,799 I have endured this hostile work environment created by you, 295 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:37,720 suffering both mentally and physically due to your abusive and 296 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:42,880 narcissistic behaviors for as long as I possibly can. You 297 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,039 openly promote mental health and advocate for those in the 298 00:17:46,039 --> 00:17:49,000 community who may be suffering, but you are the root 299 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:54,000 cause of many who suffer directly under your leadership as 300 00:17:54,039 --> 00:17:59,680 a law enforcement Well, that's darvo, folks, that's darvo. And 301 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:04,799 I've gone over these examples for years. This is how 302 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:10,480 narcissists engage with people is through DARVO. It's an acronym, 303 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,559 and the RVO is reverse victim and defender. There's deny anger, 304 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:22,680 reverse victim, and offender. So these are his behaviors. It's 305 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:28,359 textbook stuff. And when he goes out to the public 306 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,000 and he does this projection of like I care more, 307 00:18:31,079 --> 00:18:33,319 I'm this great guy, look at all this stuff I'm doing, 308 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,680 because that's how he views people. It's people are simply 309 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:40,839 there in order to help him achieve whatever it is 310 00:18:40,839 --> 00:18:42,720 that he wants to do. And this is why, by 311 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:45,599 the way, people like him are in politics, it's not 312 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,240 really even a matter of like policies or anything or ideology. 313 00:18:50,759 --> 00:18:56,440 It's just there. They're like, it's parasitic. They just they 314 00:18:56,559 --> 00:19:00,920 want the accolades, They want the people to to help 315 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,880 them do whatever it is that they want to do. 316 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,720 Usually it's a mass power, their manipulative And that's the 317 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:11,839 way he runs his shop. Right the anger in Darvo, 318 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:16,559 right where he starts using racial slurs against his staff 319 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,920 and then blames them for his use of the slurs. 320 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:24,759 That's the reverse victim offender. Here's a great idea. How 321 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:27,880 about making an escape to a really special and secluded 322 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,720 getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up 323 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:33,920 the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. 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Got a message from 343 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:45,119 John regarding the latest second in command to quit Sheriff Gary. 344 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:50,440 Not my fault McFadden's ranks, John says, chief deputies are 345 00:20:50,519 --> 00:20:53,920 dropping faster at the Mecklenburg Sheriff's office than inmates. That's 346 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,880 oh my goodness, that's too soon. Sorry, residents, They're not inmates, 347 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:10,599 they are residents. I'm looking at the text line here, sorry, Seth, 348 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,799 says Pete. I hope his resignation letter has half of 349 00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:16,519 the page with McFadden's picture on it. It does not, 350 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,319 by the way, every statement that goes out from the 351 00:21:20,319 --> 00:21:25,519 Sheriff's office that's about something bad, no picture of McFadden. 352 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:29,720 Whenever it's something that he wants to tout, then it's 353 00:21:29,759 --> 00:21:33,680 got the top third of the press release with his face. 354 00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:38,839 So yeah, I don't know why they do that. I 355 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,240 do know why they do that. He's a narcissist. Okay, 356 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:46,799 this is an anonymous person. I work for a police 357 00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:49,359 department directly under a chief and the guy before me 358 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:51,759 left and I did not believe the things he was 359 00:21:51,799 --> 00:21:54,599 saying until I got into the position, and then I 360 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,640 left a few years later myself for the same reasons. Right, 361 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,720 And this is what the previous number two chief Deputy, 362 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,039 Kevin Canty said, was that he had heard some of 363 00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:10,400 the stories about McFadden and his management style, if you will, 364 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,640 but that he thought they were exaggerations, disgruntled employees, that 365 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:19,160 kind of thing. But at this point, I don't know 366 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:25,319 how anybody can walk into any position in McFadden's office 367 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,319 and not be aware that it is a toxic environment. Now, 368 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:32,920 maybe you go in thinking you can navigate that, or 369 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,400 maybe you go in thinking that you can help improve 370 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,960 it or something like you can go in and make 371 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,279 a difference. That's totally fair. But I don't think you 372 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:46,519 can go in and claim that you are oblivious to 373 00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:49,920 this stuff or that everybody is exaggerating like this. I 374 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,839 don't even know. I think it's like half a dozen 375 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,000 of these people, maybe more, of his command staff have quit, 376 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,920 not to mention the firings that he did when he 377 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:05,240 first took over. Back to the resignation letter from Chris Allen. 378 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,440 As a law enforcement professional, I have never had to 379 00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:12,680 fight to do what is right until I came to 380 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:17,599 this agency as a law enforcement supervisor. I have never 381 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:23,480 been asked to target employees under my supervision until I 382 00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:29,279 worked under your leadership. My refusal to compromise my character, morals, 383 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,000 and integrity to comply with your demands caused me to 384 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,799 suffer an onslaught of harassment, hostility, and constant bullying from you. 385 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:49,079 Sheriff McFadden, this is direct fire right here, like this 386 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,519 is Kevin Canty turned up to eleven. I have witnessed 387 00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:57,519 you use the Mecklenberg County Sheriff's Office staff for your 388 00:23:57,559 --> 00:24:01,359 own personal gain to garner the port of the community 389 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,720 demanding staff presence at many events to promote your own 390 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:09,400 agenda while taking them away from the little family time 391 00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:13,599 that they have. Your mismanagement of Sheriff's office and county 392 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,160 resources would be considered less than ethical or professional in 393 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,440 any organization, and I will no longer be associated with 394 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:28,160 that type of dysfunction, Sheriff McFadden. If the community could 395 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,400 actually see who you really are when there are no 396 00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:35,519 cameras and audience for you to entertain, they would see 397 00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:39,119 the true narcissist that you are. I totally agree with 398 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,359 former Chief Deputy Kevin Canty when he stated that this 399 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,400 agency has a culture that fosters a toxic and abusive 400 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,799 environment created by you. Let me jump over and get 401 00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:54,920 Steve on the program. Hello Steve, Welcome to the program. 402 00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 4: How you doing hey. I think that after hearing the 403 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,400 resignation letter with the words hostile in a lot, he 404 00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:04,359 might want to go ahead and expand on that a 405 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,079 little bit and threaten the city like our old police 406 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,960 chief did. And may you can pick up a couple 407 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,720 three thousand or four hundred thousand dollars on the way out. 408 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:15,799 Speaker 1: That's a great idea, right right. 409 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 4: We didn't got nothing you ain't got nothing to lose. 410 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: Right, just threaten the lawsuit. Maybe threaten the city too. 411 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,279 The city council may, I mean they may cut you 412 00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:25,480 a check. Who knows, I mean, I know it's not 413 00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:28,039 a city department or anything, but like they just the 414 00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:31,519 threat of a lawsuit very well might make them empty 415 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,400 our pockets. 416 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the only thing he wouldn't have to wait 417 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,880 on was just, you know, give him enough time to 418 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,000 get behind closed doors and then it'll happen. 419 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: That's right. Well he missed one. Well, they had a 420 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,279 zoning meeting last night, the city council did so. I 421 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:46,559 don't know if they did a closed session, but yeah, 422 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,319 next Monday or the week after that, they could put 423 00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:53,279 a closed session in there. Yes, threaten a lawsuit, maybe 424 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,680 get the county commissioners to pay out too. Yeah, it's 425 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,240 a good money making opportunity. Steve, great point. I appreciate 426 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:04,200 the call man. This is from Bob. I just looked 427 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,319 up Gary McFadden on the internet and he has described 428 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:13,359 as a TV personality, which is pretty revealing of his aspirations. Yeah, 429 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,279 he did a show I don't remember, do you remember 430 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:22,079 what network it was on? It was called I Am Homicide. 431 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,680 That was the name of the program, and not really sure, 432 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,920 but the rumors were that part of the problem, that 433 00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:38,000 part of well, some of the problems that he encountered 434 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,680 at the end of his tenure with CMPD as a 435 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,079 homicide detective, because that's where they got the name of 436 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,799 the show from. Is that that's what people in the 437 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:49,519 neighborhood would call him when he when he rolled up 438 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:51,960 on the scene, they would say, oh, here comes homicide, 439 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:55,440 and so he said, I am homicide. I am homicide. 440 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,839 And so anyway, he in doing the show, you know, 441 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,240 he would go over his old cases and he would 442 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,119 talk about the cases, and there were rumors and delegations 443 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,279 that he may have taken a bunch of the files 444 00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:14,880 and stuff in order to use this for the TV show. 445 00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:20,359 It was on. Okay, it was on the ID network 446 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:29,440 Investigation Discovery. Was that the old Discovery channel. Maybe why okay, 447 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,240 hang on a second. The text line is blowing up 448 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:36,279 and so it keeps scrolling past where I was, Oh, 449 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:39,400 here we go one of my favorites. Hi, Pete, sorry 450 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,400 to say, but you are starting to sound unhinged. Regarding 451 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,440 Sheriff McFadden. The staff resignations are likely just disgruntled employees, 452 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,559 all hearsay and no evidence. Gary, is this you? Are 453 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,799 you texting me? Gary? Because the sheriff supporters are happy 454 00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:59,359 with his job performance, he'll get re elected and get 455 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,359 sworn in for an other term. No way a North 456 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:08,839 Carolina judge is going to remove and elected official. Why 457 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,200 do the people keep electing him? Well, the last time around, 458 00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:18,519 he cleared the Democrat primary. There were multiple challengers, they 459 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,400 split up the vote, and he did actually, if I 460 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,400 recall correctly, he did get over the fifty percent mark 461 00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:29,440 in the Democrat primary. So yeah, because he doesn't have 462 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,440 to cater to Republicans, he just has to cater to 463 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,039 fifty percent plus one of the Democrat voting base. And 464 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,559 the two eighty seven G program being scrapped was what 465 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:46,480 he promised. His refusal to fully cooperate with Ice, that's 466 00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,680 what got him elected. And so he's going to ride 467 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:55,680 that horse until it's dead. I am homicide was on 468 00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:59,680 Investigation Discovery. Thank you. This chief deputy needs to find 469 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,559 the same attorney that Chief Johnny Jennings had. Maybe he'll 470 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,640 get a payoff from somebody. That's right, Yeah, I mean 471 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,000 it's very it's a very good suggestion. See like, look 472 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:12,319 at us, look at us trying to help. Well, we're 473 00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:14,920 trying to help, Chris Allen. Yeah, I mean to our 474 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,920 own detriment. It's going to be our tax dollars. But 475 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,200 all right, you hear me talk a lot about incentives, right, Well, 476 00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:23,759 let's talk about incentive trips, the kind that companies offer 477 00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:27,079 employees to fire them up and reward their teams. If 478 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:29,240 you own a business or you work somewhere that offers 479 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,279 these incentive trips, first off, good for you. But also 480 00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:34,880 there is a custom app that's a game changer for 481 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,839 these trips. It's called Incentive trip Kit. Private group messaging, 482 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,200 shared photos, you're itinerary, travel details, all built into a single, 483 00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:46,519 easy to use app. There's even a traveler locator so 484 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,519 Carl from Accounting doesn't get left behind. The best part 485 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:53,400 about Incentive trip Kit it's totally private, no email captures, 486 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,079 no sign ups, no cringe ads. It's simple, clean and secure, 487 00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:01,200 and when the trip is over, Instanentive trip Kit turns 488 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,160 those highlights into a professional storytelling video. So think about it. 489 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,960 When you launch next year's incentive trip campaign, that video 490 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,640 becomes your greatest motivator. Talk about a return on investment right, 491 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,559 you got to check out Incentive trip Kit for your 492 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,720 business visit Incentive tripkit dot com because great trips deserve 493 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,279 even better returns. Let me read the last two paragraphs 494 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:28,799 of the resignation letter from Chief Deputy Christopher Allen, who 495 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,839 quit yesterday officially from the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office, the 496 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,720 second chief deputy to quit and open up with both 497 00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:44,359 barrels on McFadden, describing the same thing, the same toxic 498 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,400 culture and the same narcissism that like we've been going 499 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,559 over for several years. Now. Here's how he concludes in 500 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,720 our last meeting. This is to McFadden. In our last meeting, 501 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,079 you doubled down on your suggestion that quote I fear you. 502 00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:10,279 In other words, McFadden is saying that allan fears McFadden 503 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:16,119 or something. Your suggestion that I fear you, that comment, 504 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,880 which you have made on several occasions, could not be 505 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,519 further from any truth. I fear no one but God. However, 506 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:26,519 I was raised to always have respect for my elders. 507 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,279 You have dangled this position over my head from the 508 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,160 first day I arrived at the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's office, 509 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,519 and now for the last time. There is no amount 510 00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:38,759 of money worth the mental and verbal abuse that you 511 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,279 inflict upon your executive and command staff daily. I appreciate 512 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:47,000 those who have stood by me during this tumultuous journey. 513 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,240 I would not have made it to this one year 514 00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:51,920 mark had it not been for the encouragement and support 515 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,599 from Chief Youngblood and Chief Fields. Oh my goodness, they're 516 00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:59,480 in trouble. Now they're going to get it. I will 517 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,279 continue to pray for the Mecklemburg County Sheriff's Office. Regards, 518 00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:10,799 best regards, Chris, Welcome to the program. Hello Chris. 519 00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good to talk to you. Pete. The last 520 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,440 time I talked to you probably was like before the 521 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,559 New Year. I'm sorry, I'm like a bad Pete. 522 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,079 Speaker 1: Nick, right, Ah, that's all right. 523 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 3: I do what. I will say this. I made it 524 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:23,880 up to you because I decided to quit stealing from 525 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,160 you and I jumped on Patreon. Patreon is that place 526 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,680 where they always ask for money and I'm like, well, 527 00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:31,480 let me look at it, and I pay you five 528 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:33,480 dollars a month now for that. And it's awesome because 529 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,680 now I get to tell everybody. I get to tell 530 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,519 everybody that I pay for my information now, So that's 531 00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:39,480 kind of what I mean by. 532 00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: That, no more free loading. I like it. There you go. 533 00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 3: Exactly, So let's go. Let's come back in the way 534 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,519 back in machine. I don't know your history about how 535 00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,039 long you were here, but about twenty five years ago 536 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,039 we had the state rep. He was an optometrist. I 537 00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:56,240 want to say. His last name was black, Jim Black. 538 00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:59,200 He was Jim Okay, Yeah, and he was involved with 539 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,960 that scandal, right, and I got in troubles several scandals. 540 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, went to federal prison some time or something. 541 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,279 Speaker 3: So I bree So. So the one thing that he 542 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:11,440 had going on in the state was he he proposed 543 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,839 to bill, got it passed through, which made him a 544 00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:16,599 lot of money, and had to do with requiring like 545 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,559 all the five year olds or four year olds before 546 00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:21,119 they go to school to get an eye exam. Done so. 547 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,000 But but in relation to all his skin and I 548 00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:26,559 want to tie this to mcpadden and kind of picking 549 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,880 your brain on that. And I know Charlotte, Charlotte's kind 550 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,000 of different in in our makeup now. But back then 551 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,319 he got re elected. Back then he did, and then 552 00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:39,400 he got charged. But but but it was known before 553 00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:41,880 then that he was having issue. 554 00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: Correct. Yes, uh, Chris, I got I'm up against the 555 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,759 I'm up against the heartbreak. I'm glad you called. I appreciated. 556 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,079 Yeah he be. He beat a guy named Hal Jordan, 557 00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:55,000 and Jordan said that apparently people in that district would 558 00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:59,920 prefer a felon over a Republican. All right, that'll do 559 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,559 it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 560 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,839 I could not do the show without your support and 561 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,599 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 562 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,039 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 563 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:11,760 them you heard it here. You can also become a 564 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,440 patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again, 565 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,280 thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything 566 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,280 while I'm gone.