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we have lost another one, another chief deputy at the
Meckelberg County Sheriff's Office. I will get to that first.
Want to welcome to the show as we do every
Tuesday at noon. Andrew Dunn. He is a contributing columnist
over at the Charlotte Observer. He also runs the website
Longleaf Politics longleafpol dot com. Andrew, how are you, sir?
Speaker 2: I'm well, Thanks for having me, thanks.
Speaker 1: For joining us. As always I appreciate it. So I
guess by coincidence you had a piece about the Mecklelimberg
County jail. But also Sheriff Gary not my fault McFadden
as I refer to him, because nothing is ever his fault.
No matter what goes wrong at the jail, it's never
his fault. And so you had a piece. Coincidentally, I
am assuming you did not know that he was about
to have another one of his deputies, his second in command,
quit on him and write a scathing resignation letter.
Speaker 2: No, no, I had no special insight.
Speaker 1: So but you also had a piece at Long Leaved
Politics that kind of dovetails into your write up at
the Observer about the Meclimberg jail. And so you start
off with the question do we have a jail or
a wellness retreat? And I kind of feel like it's
more like a college campus student union kind of a vibe,
or maybe like a Silicon Valley startup that you know,
they let you bring your dog to the campus and
he got a foosball table in the break room.
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 1: I get the idea, that's the vibe he's going for.
So you write about the DJ booth and you wrote
about the opening up of the jail for dinners or
something to the public, which I had not heard of.
So why did you decide to look at the jail
and what are these I mean, I've talked about the
DJ booth I had, Like I said, I did not
know anything about the dinner service that they were apparently running.
What's that about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, you know, the Mecklunberg County Jail has really
had a rough stretch over the last couple of years.
You know, last year there was a huge spike in
inmate deaths, and then over the past year there's been
a lot of high level resignations and people talking about
a negative work environment. A lot of that has been managerial,
but somebody who worked at the jail did get stabs
while on the job by a coworker not too long ago.
Speaker 1: At the intake center at intake. Yeah, like how do
you get a knife into intake?
Speaker 2: Should not be able to anyway. So, you know, I've
been reading all these all this bad news about the jail,
and so it piqued my interest when I saw the
DJ booth. You know, there there's a new recording studio
for inmates at the jail, and the dinners is really interesting.
So they had this ticketed event. You paid eighty dollars
anybody in the public and you went in and sat
alongside the inmates for a five course meal of Thomas
Ai inspired items. So we're talking about, you know, food
with like cheeto crumbled up cheetos on top of it.
I don't know, it was pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Because that's what I would like to do. I'd like
to spend eighty dollars on prison food, our jail food.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well elevated prison food.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: If you put the word elevated in front of it,
it makes everything good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you put a bunch of words like on
the menu that nobody knows but they're too embarrassed to
ask what they mean that kind of elevated as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I wanted to write about this
because well, my first reaction was, you know, I call
me old fashioned, but you know, isn't jail supposed to
be punishment to some extent? But then as I thought
more deeply about it, I realized, you know, the jail,
Mechluber County Jail, has no business kind of opening things
up when there's still all these problems that need to
be sorted out. I mean, now is the time to
lock things down, you know, to not create any more
avenues where you know, illegal drugs can get into the jail.
I mean that's been a huge factor in the in
the inmate death.
Speaker 4: You know, let's.
Speaker 2: Focus on the basics before we start even considering some
of these fancier things, right.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's one of the things that well, I
guess we could call him now DJ not my fault, McFadden.
There's one of the things that that he blamed was
fentanyl for all of the deaths, because it's never his
fault of course, right, So it was all of the
fentanyl depths and he can't control what people come in
if they've got it in their system or something. Although
the guy who just died in the jail like a
week or so ago, he was in his like he
was there for a long time. He was there for
like two years, I want to say, and he was
a younger guy. I think he was in his thirties. So, like,
I'm not sure what all went down. We haven't I
haven't seen any update as to how he died. But
that kind of sounds like it might be drug related.
So it seems pretty obvious that drugs are getting into
the jail. And yeah, like to your point, if you're
going to open up the doors to a public, ticketed event,
who's to say that bad actors aren't going to take
advantage of this to smuggle drugs into the jail.
Speaker 2: Right exactly. I haven't heard any update either on the
most recent death. And I'm not saying that something the
farious happened. You know, people used a dinner to smuggle
things in. But I mean, at least there's a risk there.
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, I mean that's the I mean, that's the
whole point of you know, running a secure operation facility
like this is you have to think in those types
of terms because they're always going to be trying to
get illicit material and substances into the jail. Of course,
they are also the amount of deaths if I recall
correctly mcfatt since he's been in office, I want to say,
now the total death toll in the jails among don't
call them inmates, residents as he likes to call it, right, yeah, residents, Yes, eighteen.
I think he's it's like he's averaging about three a year.
And he points out that, you know, he's taking credit
for there not being a jail death I think in
the last year or something like that. But but now
we just had another one, so I guess that streak
is over. But this is interesting because it's something I
always talk about with local government especially, but all government,
which is you have first priorities. You talk about first
principles in your piece at Long Leave Politics, which really
like when governments start doing more and more things, they
lose sight of the first order priority right like to
and in my view, government is there to provide security
so we can all engage in free enterprise and commerce
and we can have a high trust society with the
expectation that we will be secure and if somebody does
do something to us, there will be justice meted out.
And it seems like McFadden has kind of lost sight
of that sort of first principle.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair to say. You know, I got
a statement from Sheriff McFadden. I didn't actually get to
talk to him on the phone, but he said, you know,
all these programs are through some national Sheriff's Association best
practices research supported and I don't doubt that he could
pull some studies to say that it's good or not,
or say that it's good. But I have a lot
of skepticism inherently and any of those you know, nationwide
advocacy organizations. But you're right, the heart of the matter
is what is jail four actually? And I don't think
that there's too much of that question going around Mecklenberg
County jail today. I mean, when I think of what
a jail is for, is you know, you're going to
keep bad guys in, you're going to keep bad stuff out,
and you're gonna keep people until they go face justice.
I mean, that's all you have to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In your piece at The Observer, you say policy
swings like a pendulum. After years of tough on crime,
the impulse in liberal cities like Charlotte now is to
soften every edge. You say, we don't need to swing
back to cruelty, but we do need to stop confusing
generosity with clarity. So I read that and I thought, well,
what is the incentive for our local leaders to actually
do that? I Mean, my view on this is is
this suicidal empathy animates so much of the political left
now that like, I don't know if there is any
incentive for them to do anything different.
Speaker 2: No, you're right, I mean I think it would require
things to truly get to an overwhelming crisis point, you know,
but nationally, the tide does seem to be turning some.
I mean, even Gavin Newsom is running to the center,
the governor California, on some of these law and order issues.
I think the election of Donald Trump in twenty twenty
four was a major sign that people are getting tired
of some of this, as you put it, the suicidal empathy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's a choice. I've been saying, especially on
the criminal justice front, this is all a choice, and
it doesn't stop until voters say stop so and maybe
we are approaching that point. We shall see. Andrew always
going to talk with you, sir, Thanks so much for
your time, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: All right. That's Andrew Dunn. He is a contributing columnist
over at the Charlotte Observer, also the purveyor of long
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made it about Gosh. I guess it was maybe three weeks.
I think it's been three weeks since we've had some
embarrassment of a scandalous story out of Charlotte government. And
it's not the city Council again, although we do have
a sitting member running for reelection who is under federal indictment,
so that's kind of an ongoing semi scandalous story. You
know or scandalous story. Still it's like every single day
is probably like just re up that because it's a scandal.
But no, it's another. It's another story out of the
Mecklenbergy Sheriff's office. Another number two has been really or
no has has quit. He quit. He did not get fired.
He quit. This is Chief Deputy Chris Allen, and he
resigned yesterday morning. And I have his resignation letter. It
is you got to hear the whole thing. And if
it sounds familiar, it's because Chris Allen replaced Kevin Canty
as the second in command after Canty quit less than
a year ago, and he wrote a resignation letter that
sounds like this one. I don't know what else democrats
need to hear, except now you've got and this isn't
like I have I brought with me. Here's my whole
stack of McFadden related buffoonery. Okay, and I've got all
of the Kevin Canty stuff. Remember Aileen Maddox remember her.
She was a former employee. She worked in the front
office among the command staff, and she quit she observed
a change in McFadden's behavior. This was from when she
spoke on the Vince Cochley Show back in November. She
tried to satisfy his demands, but he could never articulate
what he wanted. Well, that's because his command staff left
him so flustrated. He could not articulate what it was
that he wanted. His approach was, maybe if you don't
know what to do to make improvements, then you shouldn't
be in your position. But the staff was looking for
a vision, and his response was, you're not ready for
my vision. Tell you what you Just do something and
I'll let you know if that comports with my vision. Well,
why don't you just tell me what your vision is? No? No, No,
you can't handle my vision. I'm I'm pretty sure I
could handle that. Yeah, just how about just give it
a test and we'll see, like maybe just a part
of the vision, like do like one eye open or something.
Just give me half the vision and we'll see if
I can follow along. So here's the letter from again
Chris Allen, chief Deputy now former. I would like this
letter to serve as my official letter of resignation from
the position of Chief Deputy of the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's
Office after being under your leadership for the last year,
I have come to the realization that your values and
morals do not align with mine. Coming in hot, he is,
coming in hot, he goes on. It troubles me to
have to write this letter because when I first met you,
I had the utmost respect for you as the sheriff
of the largest sheriff's office in North Carolina. Okay, hang
on all right now, How is that possible You got
the job because Kevin Canty quit and wrote the wrote
that resignation letter that went public, did interviews, We had
him on the program. We had him in studio for
an hour talking about his tenure there, Like this stuff
could not have been unknown, like at some point early on,
it's it's understandable, like you you know, you don't know
anything about McFadden's style or anything. But by this point,
like you've got the Charlotte Observer editorial board saying McFadden
is not fit for the office. So I don't know.
I don't know if you can say that you were
completely blinded to you know, all of these stories, Sheriff McFadden.
He says, you painted a picture of a great agency
where the employees were happy and just needed a little guidance.
I was excited for an opportunity to make a difference
and further my career. Unfortunately, shortly after coming aboard, I
realized that the picture you painted was not true and
quite the opposite. During my tenure at this agency, I
have endured constant backstabbing, lies, disrespect, and false narratives, all
orchestrated by you in an attempt to assassinate my character.
The fact that you willingly coerced other staff members to
malign me in many ways greatly contributed to my inability
to no longer trust you toxic guys. This sheriff is toxic.
He is a raging narcissist. I have been saying this
now for several years. It is obvious he does not
belong in any leadership post. He is unfit to be
the sheriff. There are ways to remove him. I will
go over them. I go over them every time he's
back in the news for this kind of stuff. The
letter continues. It saddens me to say that I have
been in law enforcement for over twenty years, and this
last year that I have served under your leadership has
been the worst year of my entire law enforcement career.
I have endured this hostile work environment created by you,
suffering both mentally and physically due to your abusive and
narcissistic behaviors for as long as I possibly can. You
openly promote mental health and advocate for those in the
community who may be suffering, but you are the root
cause of many who suffer directly under your leadership as
a law enforcement Well, that's darvo, folks, that's darvo. And
I've gone over these examples for years. This is how
narcissists engage with people is through DARVO. It's an acronym,
and the RVO is reverse victim and defender. There's deny anger,
reverse victim, and offender. So these are his behaviors. It's
textbook stuff. And when he goes out to the public
and he does this projection of like I care more,
I'm this great guy, look at all this stuff I'm doing,
because that's how he views people. It's people are simply
there in order to help him achieve whatever it is
that he wants to do. And this is why, by
the way, people like him are in politics, it's not
really even a matter of like policies or anything or ideology.
It's just there. They're like, it's parasitic. They just they
want the accolades, They want the people to to help
them do whatever it is that they want to do.
Usually it's a mass power, their manipulative And that's the
way he runs his shop. Right the anger in Darvo,
right where he starts using racial slurs against his staff
and then blames them for his use of the slurs.
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John regarding the latest second in command to quit Sheriff Gary.
Not my fault McFadden's ranks, John says, chief deputies are
dropping faster at the Mecklenburg Sheriff's office than inmates. That's
oh my goodness, that's too soon. Sorry, residents, They're not inmates,
they are residents. I'm looking at the text line here, sorry, Seth,
says Pete. I hope his resignation letter has half of
the page with McFadden's picture on it. It does not,
by the way, every statement that goes out from the
Sheriff's office that's about something bad, no picture of McFadden.
Whenever it's something that he wants to tout, then it's
got the top third of the press release with his face.
So yeah, I don't know why they do that. I
do know why they do that. He's a narcissist. Okay,
this is an anonymous person. I work for a police
department directly under a chief and the guy before me
left and I did not believe the things he was
saying until I got into the position, and then I
left a few years later myself for the same reasons. Right,
And this is what the previous number two chief Deputy,
Kevin Canty said, was that he had heard some of
the stories about McFadden and his management style, if you will,
but that he thought they were exaggerations, disgruntled employees, that
kind of thing. But at this point, I don't know
how anybody can walk into any position in McFadden's office
and not be aware that it is a toxic environment. Now,
maybe you go in thinking you can navigate that, or
maybe you go in thinking that you can help improve
it or something like you can go in and make
a difference. That's totally fair. But I don't think you
can go in and claim that you are oblivious to
this stuff or that everybody is exaggerating like this. I
don't even know. I think it's like half a dozen
of these people, maybe more, of his command staff have quit,
not to mention the firings that he did when he
first took over. Back to the resignation letter from Chris Allen.
As a law enforcement professional, I have never had to
fight to do what is right until I came to
this agency as a law enforcement supervisor. I have never
been asked to target employees under my supervision until I
worked under your leadership. My refusal to compromise my character, morals,
and integrity to comply with your demands caused me to
suffer an onslaught of harassment, hostility, and constant bullying from you.
Sheriff McFadden, this is direct fire right here, like this
is Kevin Canty turned up to eleven. I have witnessed
you use the Mecklenberg County Sheriff's Office staff for your
own personal gain to garner the port of the community
demanding staff presence at many events to promote your own
agenda while taking them away from the little family time
that they have. Your mismanagement of Sheriff's office and county
resources would be considered less than ethical or professional in
any organization, and I will no longer be associated with
that type of dysfunction, Sheriff McFadden. If the community could
actually see who you really are when there are no
cameras and audience for you to entertain, they would see
the true narcissist that you are. I totally agree with
former Chief Deputy Kevin Canty when he stated that this
agency has a culture that fosters a toxic and abusive
environment created by you. Let me jump over and get
Steve on the program. Hello Steve, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 4: How you doing hey. I think that after hearing the
resignation letter with the words hostile in a lot, he
might want to go ahead and expand on that a
little bit and threaten the city like our old police
chief did. And may you can pick up a couple
three thousand or four hundred thousand dollars on the way out.
Speaker 1: That's a great idea, right right.
Speaker 4: We didn't got nothing you ain't got nothing to lose.
Speaker 1: Right, just threaten the lawsuit. Maybe threaten the city too.
The city council may, I mean they may cut you
a check. Who knows, I mean, I know it's not
a city department or anything, but like they just the
threat of a lawsuit very well might make them empty
our pockets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the only thing he wouldn't have to wait
on was just, you know, give him enough time to
get behind closed doors and then it'll happen.
Speaker 1: That's right. Well he missed one. Well, they had a
zoning meeting last night, the city council did so. I
don't know if they did a closed session, but yeah,
next Monday or the week after that, they could put
a closed session in there. Yes, threaten a lawsuit, maybe
get the county commissioners to pay out too. Yeah, it's
a good money making opportunity. Steve, great point. I appreciate
the call man. This is from Bob. I just looked
up Gary McFadden on the internet and he has described
as a TV personality, which is pretty revealing of his aspirations. Yeah,
he did a show I don't remember, do you remember
what network it was on? It was called I Am Homicide.
That was the name of the program, and not really sure,
but the rumors were that part of the problem, that
part of well, some of the problems that he encountered
at the end of his tenure with CMPD as a
homicide detective, because that's where they got the name of
the show from. Is that that's what people in the
neighborhood would call him when he when he rolled up
on the scene, they would say, oh, here comes homicide,
and so he said, I am homicide. I am homicide.
And so anyway, he in doing the show, you know,
he would go over his old cases and he would
talk about the cases, and there were rumors and delegations
that he may have taken a bunch of the files
and stuff in order to use this for the TV show.
It was on. Okay, it was on the ID network
Investigation Discovery. Was that the old Discovery channel. Maybe why okay,
hang on a second. The text line is blowing up
and so it keeps scrolling past where I was, Oh,
here we go one of my favorites. Hi, Pete, sorry
to say, but you are starting to sound unhinged. Regarding
Sheriff McFadden. The staff resignations are likely just disgruntled employees,
all hearsay and no evidence. Gary, is this you? Are
you texting me? Gary? Because the sheriff supporters are happy
with his job performance, he'll get re elected and get
sworn in for an other term. No way a North
Carolina judge is going to remove and elected official. Why
do the people keep electing him? Well, the last time around,
he cleared the Democrat primary. There were multiple challengers, they
split up the vote, and he did actually, if I
recall correctly, he did get over the fifty percent mark
in the Democrat primary. So yeah, because he doesn't have
to cater to Republicans, he just has to cater to
fifty percent plus one of the Democrat voting base. And
the two eighty seven G program being scrapped was what
he promised. His refusal to fully cooperate with Ice, that's
what got him elected. And so he's going to ride
that horse until it's dead. I am homicide was on
Investigation Discovery. Thank you. This chief deputy needs to find
the same attorney that Chief Johnny Jennings had. Maybe he'll
get a payoff from somebody. That's right, Yeah, I mean
it's very it's a very good suggestion. See like, look
at us, look at us trying to help. Well, we're
trying to help, Chris Allen. Yeah, I mean to our
own detriment. It's going to be our tax dollars. But
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even better returns. Let me read the last two paragraphs
of the resignation letter from Chief Deputy Christopher Allen, who
quit yesterday officially from the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office, the
second chief deputy to quit and open up with both
barrels on McFadden, describing the same thing, the same toxic
culture and the same narcissism that like we've been going
over for several years. Now. Here's how he concludes in
our last meeting. This is to McFadden. In our last meeting,
you doubled down on your suggestion that quote I fear you.
In other words, McFadden is saying that allan fears McFadden
or something. Your suggestion that I fear you, that comment,
which you have made on several occasions, could not be
further from any truth. I fear no one but God. However,
I was raised to always have respect for my elders.
You have dangled this position over my head from the
first day I arrived at the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's office,
and now for the last time. There is no amount
of money worth the mental and verbal abuse that you
inflict upon your executive and command staff daily. I appreciate
those who have stood by me during this tumultuous journey.
I would not have made it to this one year
mark had it not been for the encouragement and support
from Chief Youngblood and Chief Fields. Oh my goodness, they're
in trouble. Now they're going to get it. I will
continue to pray for the Mecklemburg County Sheriff's Office. Regards,
best regards, Chris, Welcome to the program. Hello Chris.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good to talk to you. Pete. The last
time I talked to you probably was like before the
New Year. I'm sorry, I'm like a bad Pete.
Speaker 1: Nick, right, Ah, that's all right.
Speaker 3: I do what. I will say this. I made it
up to you because I decided to quit stealing from
you and I jumped on Patreon. Patreon is that place
where they always ask for money and I'm like, well,
let me look at it, and I pay you five
dollars a month now for that. And it's awesome because
now I get to tell everybody. I get to tell
everybody that I pay for my information now, So that's
kind of what I mean by.
Speaker 1: That, no more free loading. I like it. There you go.
Speaker 3: Exactly, So let's go. Let's come back in the way
back in machine. I don't know your history about how
long you were here, but about twenty five years ago
we had the state rep. He was an optometrist. I
want to say. His last name was black, Jim Black.
He was Jim Okay, Yeah, and he was involved with
that scandal, right, and I got in troubles several scandals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, went to federal prison some time or something.
Speaker 3: So I bree So. So the one thing that he
had going on in the state was he he proposed
to bill, got it passed through, which made him a
lot of money, and had to do with requiring like
all the five year olds or four year olds before
they go to school to get an eye exam. Done so.
But but in relation to all his skin and I
want to tie this to mcpadden and kind of picking
your brain on that. And I know Charlotte, Charlotte's kind
of different in in our makeup now. But back then
he got re elected. Back then he did, and then
he got charged. But but but it was known before
then that he was having issue.
Speaker 1: Correct. Yes, uh, Chris, I got I'm up against the
I'm up against the heartbreak. I'm glad you called. I appreciated.
Yeah he be. He beat a guy named Hal Jordan,
and Jordan said that apparently people in that district would
prefer a felon over a Republican. All right, that'll do
it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening.
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