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<v Speaker 4>killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host

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<v Speaker 5>David Kolcheck's eighth book, Deadly California, is another tome of

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<v Speaker 5>off the wall murders, accidents, and robberies gone wrong that

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<v Speaker 5>have happened in California, with true crime tales from nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>twelve to nineteen sixty four, occurring in the San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 5>Los Angeles, Northern and Southern California, and Sacramento. Stories such

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<v Speaker 5>as When Sally Shot Harry, double murder on O Street,

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<v Speaker 5>Callern Sargent Liquor Store, and Corpus Delecti. The book that

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<v Speaker 5>we're featuring this evening is Deadly California Murders, Accidents and

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<v Speaker 5>Robbery's Gone Wrong with my special guests, Crime is Storian

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<v Speaker 5>and author David Coolcheck. Welcome to the program, and thank

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<v Speaker 5>you very much for this interview. David Coolcheck, Well, thanks

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<v Speaker 5>for having me again. Let's start off that the last

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<v Speaker 5>interview we had was from your last book, Forgotten California

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<v Speaker 5>Murders nineteen fifteen to nineteen sixty eight. Tell us of

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<v Speaker 5>your past books involving California, and tell us a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit about your background living in California.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>When I moved to California two thousand and two, my

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<v Speaker 7>wife's from Sacramento moved home for family reasons. I immediately

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<v Speaker 7>got into the history of California. I was a history

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<v Speaker 7>major at the University of Wisconsin at Madison and left

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<v Speaker 7>my studies to come to California. And I realized that

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<v Speaker 7>all these books, especially about the more frontier days, were

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<v Speaker 7>all written about the same people. And I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 7>there's got to be more to this, and so I

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<v Speaker 7>started researching criminals that you haven't read about before, murderers especially,

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<v Speaker 7>and that's how I came up with my first book,

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<v Speaker 7>California Justice, shootout Slynchings and Assassinations. I inquired Quill Driver

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<v Speaker 7>books and they said, yeah, sure, sounds good and just

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<v Speaker 7>happen that way. So here we are eight books later,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's been.

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<v Speaker 5>Good Now let's get to this collection you have had.

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<v Speaker 5>This is murders, accidents, and robbery's gone wrong. You searched again,

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<v Speaker 5>and in introduction we talked about these stories emanate from

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<v Speaker 5>Los Angeles, the San Francisco Bay Area, Sacramento, your hometown

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<v Speaker 5>in California, and also northern and southern California stories. So

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<v Speaker 5>tell us just a little bit about the process of

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<v Speaker 5>gathering these stories and sort of the criteria you had

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<v Speaker 5>for putting this collection together.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, the stories are just ones that I come across,

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<v Speaker 7>because you know, once you read like an Oakland Tribune

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<v Speaker 7>from nineteen twenty, they'll tell you about everything that's happening

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<v Speaker 7>all over the state. You know, the Sacramento Bee was

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<v Speaker 7>another great paper of record, the Fresno b So if

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<v Speaker 7>it wasn't in those papers, it woul at least have

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<v Speaker 7>could find out about a lot of crimes and things

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<v Speaker 7>that happen in more out there parts of the state.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, let's talk about when Sally shot Harry. This is

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<v Speaker 5>May eleventh, nineteen sixty one. This is in Redwood City,

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<v Speaker 5>San Mateo County, and a Harry Oliff. You say, is

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<v Speaker 5>an odd guy, average intelligence, good physique, wanted to be

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<v Speaker 5>police officer and married a woman named Sally le Bla

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<v Speaker 5>in nineteen fifty four. Tell us about Sally and Harry's

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<v Speaker 5>life and what happens one day in May nineteen sixty one.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, Sally worked as a secretary at an insurance company

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<v Speaker 7>and Harry just took on menial jobs and took classes

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<v Speaker 7>at community colleges. He was insecure guys about his situation.

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<v Speaker 7>He used to just haul off and hit Sally like

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<v Speaker 7>they were driving once on al Camino Reil, and with

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<v Speaker 7>that warning of provocutation, he'd just started beating her with

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<v Speaker 7>one hand while steering the car. So and he's just

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<v Speaker 7>backhander across the face. He told him how to get

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<v Speaker 7>someplace for directions, and he smacked her for not being lost.

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<v Speaker 7>So Harry joined the Air Force is in was stationed

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<v Speaker 7>in Paris, and Sally came to visit him, and he

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<v Speaker 7>wanted to do the badger scheme, which is scheme where

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<v Speaker 7>women would pick up a guy at a bar able

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<v Speaker 7>to pick out a target, you know, somebody who's there

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<v Speaker 7>in a convention or something, or some big wig, and

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<v Speaker 7>then guy cleaning her husband or her husband comes in

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<v Speaker 7>on them and they blackmail them and get money out

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<v Speaker 7>of them. He wanted to do that with his wife

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<v Speaker 7>while she was visiting him in Paris. I was in

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<v Speaker 7>the Air Force. It's kind of an odd duck. So

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<v Speaker 7>when he got out of the Air Force, he got

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<v Speaker 7>friendly with the San Materio Sheriff's Department in Redwood City

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<v Speaker 7>Police Department, and he went under cover as an agent

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<v Speaker 7>for the San Matero County Sheriff's Department, and he posed

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<v Speaker 7>as a beat nick marijuana user to entrap other Peninsula

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<v Speaker 7>marijuana users and sellers, and the police department paide for

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<v Speaker 7>a little house he had where you know, it was

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<v Speaker 7>like the pot smoking party house and stuff right, and

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<v Speaker 7>Harry grew like a go tee and Kangero's hair out

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<v Speaker 7>a bit and spoken beat nick lingo, and he had

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<v Speaker 7>orange fur covered shoes that he used to wear around,

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<v Speaker 7>so he was noticeable. And so yeah, he went and

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<v Speaker 7>knarked on all the people that he had made friends

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<v Speaker 7>with and had smoked marijuana with. In April nineteen fifty nine,

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<v Speaker 7>he snitched on two guys. One guy was just a

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<v Speaker 7>janitor and another one was a twenty three year old laborer,

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<v Speaker 7>and they found like five ounces of weed and three

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<v Speaker 7>marijuana cigarettes in the guy's shirt pocket, and overall he

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<v Speaker 7>was responsible for fifteen arrests. So whether that's good or bad,

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know. But he was just basically getting casual

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<v Speaker 7>marijuana users off the street. So you know, he thought

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<v Speaker 7>that that would be a lead into the police department

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<v Speaker 7>and did some low lectures and stuff for lunchtime rotary

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<v Speaker 7>clubs and stuff about his experience being a narc guy.

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<v Speaker 7>But he kept on trying. He tried twice for the

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<v Speaker 7>police examination and failed both times, and that's pretty much

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<v Speaker 7>ended his chances of being a cop. Ended up being

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<v Speaker 7>a swimming instructor in San Carlos, and the marriage fell

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<v Speaker 7>apart and he separated. So on oh oh, if he

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<v Speaker 7>like crashed his car in another car, like put the

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<v Speaker 7>driver of the other car in the hospital, and you know,

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<v Speaker 7>they didn't check the seer he was intoxicated or anything,

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<v Speaker 7>but he was getting drunk a lot at that time.

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<v Speaker 7>Sally rented a three bedroom or a three room apartment

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<v Speaker 7>over a Garadge and Rea her house at twenty one

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<v Speaker 7>Birch Street in Midwood City, and the house is still there,

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<v Speaker 7>and so was the apartment there. Harry dropped in whenever

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<v Speaker 7>he wanted, and Sally couldn't get rid of him. She

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<v Speaker 7>did his laundry and fed him while he hit the

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<v Speaker 7>local taverns and dated younger women. On May tenth, he

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<v Speaker 7>called Sally about ten thirty at night and he wanted

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<v Speaker 7>to chat. About hour later, after Sally had gone to bed,

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<v Speaker 7>he called again, and he was drunken in a noisy

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<v Speaker 7>bar room. He asked her to join her at a tavern.

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<v Speaker 7>She said she wouldn't, and he frettened her, saying you

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<v Speaker 7>better come, or I'll come over and get you. So

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<v Speaker 7>she was terrified she was going to get beat up

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<v Speaker 7>again since she picked up his thirty eight caliber revolver

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<v Speaker 7>that he had left at her place and sat in

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<v Speaker 7>her darkened apartment waiting for Harry to show up. And

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<v Speaker 7>Harry shows up right about midnight, let himself in. He

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<v Speaker 7>had his own key, and he walked towards her menacingly,

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<v Speaker 7>and she shot him when he was about two feet away,

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<v Speaker 7>shot him right in the middle chest. One hit his

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<v Speaker 7>left arm. The other one got him right now and

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<v Speaker 7>turned around and staggered sixty feet down this falcony, the

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<v Speaker 7>stairways and into the driveway. Where he fell down dead.

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<v Speaker 7>So Sally called her close friend, the cop that helped

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<v Speaker 7>Harry get into his informant work, and he came over

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<v Speaker 7>first before the police or anybody showed up. She was

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<v Speaker 7>booked in jail open charge of murder, and her attorney

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<v Speaker 7>said that he had never gotten so many requests to

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<v Speaker 7>testify for a defendant, because people who knew the couple

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<v Speaker 7>voluntarily requested to testify in her defense. Even Harry's parents

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<v Speaker 7>visited Sally in jail. Yeah, no one liked Harry. He's

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<v Speaker 7>you know, he slapped his wife right right in the bar,

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<v Speaker 7>right in front of people and stuff, and yeah, he

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<v Speaker 7>was a very nice guy. Harry had this girlfriend named

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<v Speaker 7>Amy Burke, who was the seminarial Times described as a

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<v Speaker 7>blonde and a real doll, and she's nineteen. She stabbed

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<v Speaker 7>till the detectives that oh, I promised that they'd get

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<v Speaker 7>to Mexican divorce and they'd get married, and they shared

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<v Speaker 7>an apartment.

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<v Speaker 6>In San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 7>So the trial begins on July fifth, and it's hot,

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<v Speaker 7>like one hundred degrees and it's in the old courthouse,

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<v Speaker 7>no air conditioning and stuff, and they just paraded a

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<v Speaker 7>list of people who all testified to seeing Harry, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>slap Sally around in front of people, and she talked

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<v Speaker 7>about how he'd force her to take off her bra

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<v Speaker 7>before they entered a bar, and then she was just

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<v Speaker 7>like he had her flirt with guys and he would

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<v Speaker 7>be a couple of seats away in the bar and stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>He guy just kicks out of that if Harry gust

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<v Speaker 7>some reason. But yeah, she was terrified that he was

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<v Speaker 7>going to beat her up. And they had the trial

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<v Speaker 7>and she was found that guilt after a nine day

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<v Speaker 7>trial and one hundred degree heat.

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<v Speaker 5>You write about how big this trial was and how

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<v Speaker 5>sensational it was in terms of the salacious testimony of Sally,

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<v Speaker 5>where she talked about, as you say, forcing her to

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<v Speaker 5>take her bar raw off before she went into the

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<v Speaker 5>bar and to flirt with men, and all these conversations

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<v Speaker 5>about There was pornography found, there was naked photos found.

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<v Speaker 5>So there was a vigorous cross examination of Sally that

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<v Speaker 5>she endured quite successfully. And then you write about the

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<v Speaker 5>dramatic verdict not guilty and she collapses in the arms

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<v Speaker 5>of her attorneys.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and her parents who had moved away right after

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<v Speaker 7>her she graduated from school, they moved to the East

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<v Speaker 7>Coast and they were there and they led her out

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<v Speaker 7>of the courthouse. Attorney had a press conference at his

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<v Speaker 7>house with them and they asked her. The press asked

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<v Speaker 7>her some questions before she was going to go leave

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<v Speaker 5>It incredible tale. Let's talk about another extraordinary tale. Keller

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<v Speaker 5>and Sergeant Liquor Store. This is December twenty third, nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>fifty three in Long Beach, California, and very interesting character.

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<v Speaker 5>Lynn Feaster, tough man who despised criminals and he worked

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<v Speaker 5>Tell us about Lynn Feaster and some of the things

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<v Speaker 7>He was born in Missouri and moved to Long Beach

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<v Speaker 7>in nineteen thirty eight and he was bill forty two.

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<v Speaker 6>He had gotten divorced.

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<v Speaker 7>He his sister lived in a Long Beach and had

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<v Speaker 7>no problem to justinal life in California. He got a

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<v Speaker 7>and he lived in an apartment just a couple of

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<v Speaker 7>doors down from the store. He's a nighttime clerk and

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<v Speaker 7>fascinating the liquor store robberies that happened in the nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 7>late forties, early sixties, but just amazing. I don't know

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<v Speaker 7>about one story in San Francisco and the place now

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<v Speaker 7>is like a very nice for coffee shop. So Lynn Feaster,

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<v Speaker 7>he's a nighttime clerk, and he kept a bunch of

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<v Speaker 7>guns on him. He hit him under the counter, and

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<v Speaker 7>he practiced shooting. He did rehearse scenarios of how you'd

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<v Speaker 7>grab the gun. So there's no record how many robberies

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<v Speaker 7>Feaster had hindered over the last six years he worked

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<v Speaker 7>at Keller and Sergeant that he had officially killed two

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<v Speaker 7>would be bandits, wounded a third, and brought about the

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<v Speaker 7>arrest of five other people. So that's just crazy if

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<v Speaker 7>you think about it. You know what a job. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>and it was this guy had a much, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 7>But on March twenty fourth, nineteen forty eight, this twenty

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<v Speaker 7>one year old David Krueger and nineteen year old Donald

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<v Speaker 7>Moore walked into the liquor store told FISA it was

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<v Speaker 7>a stick up. So Feaster pretended he was fainting. He

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<v Speaker 7>grabbed a pistol from under the counter and shot Krueger

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<v Speaker 6>And the guy sur vibe.

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<v Speaker 7>They were so young that they were sentenced to the

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<v Speaker 7>California Youth Authority and they did some time for that.

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<v Speaker 7>In August twelfth, nineteen forty eight, these two guys robbed

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<v Speaker 7>Feaster of one hundred and forty bucks, and Feaster ran

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<v Speaker 7>out and fired a shot from his pistol, and guy

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<v Speaker 7>went by and said, hey, the cops just jroe bis

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<v Speaker 7>a Feast fired another shot in their cops came back.

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<v Speaker 7>He hopped into the police card and they found one

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<v Speaker 7>of the robbers, Walter Gillen, and they arrested him at headquarters.

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<v Speaker 7>He told the police he had never been a rescued before.

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<v Speaker 7>He was like terrified. So the first time he attempted

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<v Speaker 7>a robbery, he sang like a canary, and the police

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<v Speaker 7>broke up a robbery ring that was all over Los

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<v Speaker 7>Angeles area, and five guys, they were all under twenty

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<v Speaker 7>six years old, were all arrested for the crimes for

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<v Speaker 7>all those robberies. So in March seventh, nineteen forty nine,

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<v Speaker 7>James Phillips and Gail Hare went out of robbery spree.

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<v Speaker 7>And Hair was an auto mechanic and fender guy. Phillips

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<v Speaker 7>was a car salesman. They were both out of work

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<v Speaker 7>and broke. They went and hit this one liquor store

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<v Speaker 7>at about ten thirty and got seventy five dollars from them.

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<v Speaker 7>About half hour later, they showed up over at Keller

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<v Speaker 7>and Sergeant liquor store tending to rob it, and they

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<v Speaker 7>formed a fifty four year old Feaster that they're robbing

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<v Speaker 7>the place. Fisa had a different idea. He pulled out

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<v Speaker 7>his thirty eight caliber pistol and plugged Phillips in the heart,

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<v Speaker 7>killing him instantly. Easter put down Hair with a bullet

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<v Speaker 7>to the throat and he died later in the hospital. So,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I kind of enjoyed the notorarity he had,

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<v Speaker 7>and he told the Long Beach Independent that he had

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<v Speaker 7>been practicing for six months what to do in case

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<v Speaker 7>he was a victim of fugs. I figured the hold

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<v Speaker 7>up men would take all there is in the cash

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<v Speaker 7>register and then beat or kill you if they figured

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<v Speaker 7>you had hidden other money around the store. I'm just

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<v Speaker 7>a workingman who needs his job. I wish they would

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<v Speaker 7>let me alone. So not long after that, a postcard

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<v Speaker 7>arrived at the liquor store for Feaster and said you

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<v Speaker 7>will be taken care of for what you have done.

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<v Speaker 7>And it was signed to Gail pal So the police

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<v Speaker 7>kicked it out. They couldn't figure it out. They couldn't

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<v Speaker 7>trace it or anything like that. So that was one thing.

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<v Speaker 7>So on December twenty third, nineteen fifty three, Billy Morris

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<v Speaker 7>and John Davis sent to the liquor store about eleven

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<v Speaker 7>thirty and they tried to cash a forged check. Feaster

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<v Speaker 7>wouldn't catch it, and mor Scott Angry pulled his pistol,

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<v Speaker 7>so Feaster was caught off guard. He pleaded for his

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<v Speaker 7>life on his knees. He's probably gonna He was trying

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<v Speaker 7>to grab a pistol that he had underneath the counter.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, he was doing his overroutine and a Morsekuy

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<v Speaker 7>shot him in the mouth with a three eighty bullet

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<v Speaker 7>ended up bouncing aroundside his skull, and fifteen minutes later,

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<v Speaker 7>Feusture's body was discovered by a sailor keem in to

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<v Speaker 7>buy cigarettes. You know, that's amazing too about these liquor

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<v Speaker 7>stores were open until two in the morning, and kids

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<v Speaker 7>would come in at you know, eleven o'clock at midnight

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<v Speaker 7>and stuff. Wow, yeah, things are open a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it was too because air conditioning wasn't around

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<v Speaker 7>a lot and more people did things than the evenings.

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<v Speaker 7>Just like in Sacramento. I read about this guy who

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<v Speaker 7>was shot at an ice cream parlor at twelve thirty

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<v Speaker 7>and on like a Tuesday, you know, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, he was an attorney, he was like forty

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<v Speaker 7>years old. It's like, I don't know, man, people stayed

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<v Speaker 7>out more, I guess. But yeah, they found Feuster's body.

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<v Speaker 7>There was a thirty eight line by his head, and

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<v Speaker 7>then he had a semi automatic pistol in his pants pocket.

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<v Speaker 7>He didn't have a chance to grab any of them.

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<v Speaker 7>So it was a couple of years before, the Long

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<v Speaker 7>Beach detectives linked on Skis to the murder, and they

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<v Speaker 7>arrested Davis at Salt Lake City and Morris and Compton,

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<v Speaker 7>who still lived in the same place.

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<v Speaker 6>And at the.

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<v Speaker 7>Trial, John Davis's sixteen year old son took the stand

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<v Speaker 7>as a witness against his father, and he said the

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<v Speaker 7>knight of the murder who waited in his father's automobiles.

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<v Speaker 7>Davis and Morse went in a liquor store and a

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<v Speaker 7>few minutes came out of the store and he told

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<v Speaker 7>his father drove Morris To's Compton home, and then they

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<v Speaker 7>went to their trader in Guardania their trailer. He overheard

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<v Speaker 7>his father tell a woman who lived there that Morse

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<v Speaker 7>had killed the clerk. The next day they hooked up

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<v Speaker 7>the trailer and moved to Redwood City, of all places,

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<v Speaker 7>New San Francisco. So the jury found them guilty and

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<v Speaker 7>sent them to die. Yes, and they appealed it. They

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<v Speaker 7>gave him another trial, and in it his son said

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<v Speaker 7>that the court the da made him say those things,

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<v Speaker 7>And he said, you told me to answer the questions,

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<v Speaker 7>tell the truth. You and the other officers told me

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<v Speaker 7>not to ask for death penalty if you knew you were,

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<v Speaker 7>I would have never testified.

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<v Speaker 6>And had told the judge that he couldn't think straight.

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<v Speaker 7>And he was asked directly if he was with his

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<v Speaker 7>father Knight and murder, and then if you overheard David

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<v Speaker 7>Study shot, is that David Study more shot Feaster and

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<v Speaker 7>youth applied no to both questions, and the judge dismissed

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<v Speaker 7>the case.

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<v Speaker 6>Two guys are left free.

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<v Speaker 5>Very interesting legacy of all the incredible lives that were

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<v Speaker 5>changed and all the people that were killed, just at

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<v Speaker 5>this little liquor store, like you say, openly and see when.

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<v Speaker 7>I checked, I think that's one of the liquor stours

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<v Speaker 7>that's still there, so and it's I think it's still

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<v Speaker 7>a liquor store.

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<v Speaker 6>And no couple of them in the book.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you talk about an incredible occupation as well, even

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<v Speaker 5>though he was a World War One that he was

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<v Speaker 5>read for these criminals, and you say he didn't couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>stand these criminals, and so again he almost gloated when

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<v Speaker 5>he was able to kill a couple of these would

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<v Speaker 5>be robbers at his liquor store. And then the fate

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<v Speaker 5>that he injured himself where he was on his knees

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<v Speaker 5>begging for his life. You're right that he's trying to

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<v Speaker 5>go for his pistol. Likely, but he was not able

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<v Speaker 5>to do that and was shot in the mouth and

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<v Speaker 5>killed in that liquor store and left to die in

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<v Speaker 5>a pool of blood.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he was.

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<v Speaker 7>He was barely acting, you know, getting down his knees

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<v Speaker 7>like go, don't do it, and he was ready to

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, very very interesting and interesting the behavior of the

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<v Speaker 5>son that again was forced to testify against his father,

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<v Speaker 5>the crowd and the district attorney assuring him that they

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't ask for the death penalty, and then in that

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<v Speaker 5>Then the sun turned the tables on the district attorney

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<v Speaker 5>Delecti and January twenty eighth, nineteen twenty six in Sacramento,

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<v Speaker 5>and this features a person named George Waters and his

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<v Speaker 5>wife Myrtle and they're getting ready for work. She works

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<v Speaker 7>A pretty bad morning. They were kind of arguing. She

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<v Speaker 7>great job for especially an African American in nineteen twenty six.

422
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<v Speaker 7>And he picked up a twenty two rifle and shot

423
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<v Speaker 7>her in the bedroom from the twelve year old daughter, Genevieve.

424
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<v Speaker 7>And they have like other four kids, three other kids,

425
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<v Speaker 7>so we're two other kids.

426
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<v Speaker 6>So you know. It happened all in.

427
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<v Speaker 7>The morning, and was getting ready for school and work

428
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<v Speaker 7>and stuff. Her mother like bled out on the bed

429
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<v Speaker 7>and Waters. Her father ordered Genevieve to get a wash

430
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<v Speaker 7>rag and a basin water, and he cleaned off the

431
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<v Speaker 7>blood and carried the body to a spare room that

432
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<v Speaker 7>he sat down and had breakfast with his children, Genevieve,

433
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<v Speaker 7>eight year old George, and four year old Dadan. After breakfast,

434
00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.640
<v Speaker 7>Waters grabbed a couple of sacks and some canvas from

435
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<v Speaker 7>the backyard and went to the spare room, and Genevieve

436
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<v Speaker 7>could hear him chopping and sawing his mother's her mother's

437
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<v Speaker 7>body to Piethos. Waters told Genevieve that he would cut

438
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<v Speaker 7>her throat if she told anyone or if she said

439
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<v Speaker 7>anything when if the police questioned. Waters called up his

440
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<v Speaker 7>wife's place of employment. It was a sanitarium and spoke

441
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<v Speaker 7>to her supervisor, who was concerned that she and showed

442
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<v Speaker 7>for work. He said she was sick and probably would

443
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<v Speaker 7>not come back to work. He showed up at the

444
00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:22.279
<v Speaker 7>sanitarium a couple of days later, collected her clothes and

445
00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.680
<v Speaker 7>personal effects that she had at work. He also picked

446
00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:27.519
<v Speaker 7>up her wages, and he said that they were all

447
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<v Speaker 7>moving to San Diego. So the family left Sacramento on

448
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<v Speaker 7>February second, nineteen twenty six, to live with Water's mother

449
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<v Speaker 7>in San Diego, and by May, Genevieve told her nineteen

450
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<v Speaker 7>year old sister, who had lived there, about the murder,

451
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<v Speaker 7>and Dorothy called the police. San Diego police ended up

452
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<v Speaker 7>calling Sacramento because water story didn't add up, and they

453
00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:52.359
<v Speaker 7>sent the cops down there to pick them up and

454
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.079
<v Speaker 7>bring him to Sacramento. They found the rifle and several

455
00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:59.039
<v Speaker 7>knives that traced the human blood on him, so Waters

456
00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:01.960
<v Speaker 7>pleaded not guilty. He said that the wife left. The

457
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:06.000
<v Speaker 7>family moved to San Diego, and they were all confident that,

458
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:09.920
<v Speaker 7>you know, he was lying. They called like people that

459
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:13.400
<v Speaker 7>were neighbors and things that came by and thought things

460
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:16.480
<v Speaker 7>were fishy and stuff where she worked and things like that.

461
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<v Speaker 7>Genevieve went up on the stand and told what she saw.

462
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<v Speaker 7>She said that they were getting dressed and the other

463
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.599
<v Speaker 7>children are asleep. She said, Mama was dressed and she

464
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:29.880
<v Speaker 7>was just lacing his shoes when Papa sat up on

465
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<v Speaker 7>the bed, reached for his rifle, inserted a shell, and

466
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:35.240
<v Speaker 7>shot her in the chest. Jenfy told that her father

467
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:38.240
<v Speaker 7>carried her mother's body to the front room for several hours.

468
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<v Speaker 7>She heard him chopping and saw on around six in

469
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<v Speaker 7>the evening from the kitchen windows, she saw him carrying

470
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<v Speaker 7>two heavy sacks outside. So she was questioned by the

471
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:53.200
<v Speaker 7>fleet six different times, and his attorney took advantage of

472
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.960
<v Speaker 7>you know, inconsistencies and contradictions. And she was a ten

473
00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.799
<v Speaker 7>year old kid up there, you know, talking about her

474
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<v Speaker 7>others death in front of a bunch of people in court.

475
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.720
<v Speaker 6>You know, of course she was. She was just a kid.

476
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:07.359
<v Speaker 7>So he got sentence to death, and they went through

477
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:10.480
<v Speaker 7>other peels of system and stuff. And he had people

478
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:14.000
<v Speaker 7>say that they bumped into his wife on a street

479
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:17.960
<v Speaker 7>car in San Francisco or Los Angeles. They were all

480
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:22.119
<v Speaker 7>their claims were all dismissed. But his water sentence was

481
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:26.880
<v Speaker 7>commuted to life with no parole, and Governor Young he wrote,

482
00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.640
<v Speaker 7>never in the history of California's death penalty and imposed

483
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:33.759
<v Speaker 7>for a human being without the production of a body

484
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:36.599
<v Speaker 7>of the victim, and that only twice before in this

485
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:40.519
<v Speaker 7>state has a verdict of guilty been rendered in such

486
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:45.079
<v Speaker 7>a case. And in both instances, the defendants were sentenced

487
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<v Speaker 7>to life imprisonment.

488
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.599
<v Speaker 6>So he lucked out absolutely no body.

489
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:52.400
<v Speaker 5>Usually no conviction, but in this particular case there was

490
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<v Speaker 5>a conviction.

491
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And being that he worked on the railroad, and

492
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:01.519
<v Speaker 7>you know with all the viaducts and bridges and things,

493
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:06.200
<v Speaker 7>you know, it's it's an old Midwest mafia trick to

494
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:12.519
<v Speaker 7>drop bodies onto passing trains off bridges, like there's a

495
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.359
<v Speaker 7>train under off the bridge and you just dump them

496
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:19.039
<v Speaker 7>into like a you know, the gondola or something. Then

497
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:23.920
<v Speaker 7>it's Portland's problem, Santa Fe's problem. After that, you won't

498
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:25.880
<v Speaker 7>get noticed for thousands of miles.

499
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<v Speaker 5>Incredible, let's talk about another extraordinary tale double murder on

500
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:35.279
<v Speaker 5>O Street, and this is involving November twenty second, nineteen

501
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 5>twenty two, in Sacramento. Martin Sliskovic, a twenty year old

502
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:44.119
<v Speaker 5>Slovenian immigrant, you say, who was a bully who liked

503
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.000
<v Speaker 5>the flash his gun, and he ran the Young American

504
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:51.279
<v Speaker 5>Cafe and he roomed with his cousin, Marco Radman at

505
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:54.880
<v Speaker 5>a house on O Street. Tell us the living arrangements

506
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:57.480
<v Speaker 5>on the house on O Street and a little bit

507
00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 5>more about Martin Sliskovic and what happens November twenty second,

508
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<v Speaker 5>nineteen twenty two.

509
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<v Speaker 7>Well, Marco and his wife Jenny, she's twenty five. They

510
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:13.359
<v Speaker 7>had three kids, and another cousin, thirty year old John Seleskovitch,

511
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:17.799
<v Speaker 7>lived there too. So Martin, there's something wrong with that guy,

512
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:22.039
<v Speaker 7>you know, he didn't know about boundaries or something. He

513
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:24.759
<v Speaker 7>wanted to have sex with his cousin's wife, Jenny, and

514
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 7>she wouldn't have nothing to do with him, and she

515
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:29.519
<v Speaker 7>went and kicked him out of the house. He didn't

516
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:33.519
<v Speaker 7>stop pursuing infections and so he got mad at the rejection.

517
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<v Speaker 7>So about five pm on November twenty second, nineteen twenty two,

518
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<v Speaker 7>Martin entered the house and walked into the dining room,

519
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.640
<v Speaker 7>where John Lokovich and Jenny sat at the table along

520
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 7>with their nine year old daughter.

521
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:47.720
<v Speaker 6>Agnes.

522
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.759
<v Speaker 7>Marco was at work at the restaurant event, so approaching

523
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 7>the cousins, he pulled out a small caliber semiautomnic pistol

524
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.839
<v Speaker 7>and fired two shots at Jenny and she sank to

525
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.359
<v Speaker 7>the floor, where John picked up stood up to grab

526
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:02.039
<v Speaker 7>the gun, but Martin.

527
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:03.599
<v Speaker 6>Shot his cousin three times.

528
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 7>He turned to Jenny's prostate body and fired one more

529
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:09.640
<v Speaker 7>bullet into her. According to Agnes, he stood in the

530
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 7>doorway of their home for ten minutes, but that was

531
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.119
<v Speaker 7>probably the exaggeration by a little girl. He was picked

532
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.640
<v Speaker 7>up by a cab driven by his friend. He only

533
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:19.599
<v Speaker 7>wrote a few blocks in the cab and he jumped

534
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.519
<v Speaker 7>out and he hid the Yolo County side of the

535
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.599
<v Speaker 7>Sacramento River. He crossed the Sacramento River. You're in a

536
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.000
<v Speaker 7>different county. You're in Yolo County in the city of

537
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:34.759
<v Speaker 7>West Sacramento, and then Davis is about ten miles from

538
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.599
<v Speaker 7>there too. So he was hiding in the jungle of

539
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.079
<v Speaker 7>the river near the Ice Street bridge until he could

540
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:43.640
<v Speaker 7>hop a freight train going to Oakland. So the police

541
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:48.079
<v Speaker 7>came and they were just idiots. They completely contaminated the

542
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.519
<v Speaker 7>crime scene. They allowed newspaper reporters into the house and

543
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.960
<v Speaker 7>while the police scratching their heads over the body of

544
00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.279
<v Speaker 7>John Slukovich laying in the hallway, the reporters discovered the

545
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:02.119
<v Speaker 7>body of Jenny laying.

546
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 6>In the kitchen.

547
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:05.000
<v Speaker 7>Like the cops didn't even going to the other room

548
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:08.200
<v Speaker 7>or to clear the house or anything. And an old

549
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:10.880
<v Speaker 7>nine year old kid, Agnes, was weeping over her mother's

550
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:15.279
<v Speaker 7>dead body. So the police where He said that Redmond

551
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.039
<v Speaker 7>Home was the place where you can get a drink

552
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:21.720
<v Speaker 7>of Jackass brandy and relaxes to your fellow Slavs. And

553
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.599
<v Speaker 7>you know that was not uncommon. You're in phoibition with

554
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:29.680
<v Speaker 7>all ethnic groups. Police put pressure on Sacramento Slavic community.

555
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:34.519
<v Speaker 7>They raided the boarding houses owned by Slavs and interrogated

556
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:39.880
<v Speaker 7>suspected acquaintances of the killer. They wasted valuable resources tracking

557
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:43.400
<v Speaker 7>down the cab driver, knew nothing about his friend was doing.

558
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:46.119
<v Speaker 7>So you know, they had a big double funeral at

559
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.720
<v Speaker 7>Saint Stephen's Catholic Church and they were buried next to

560
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:54.000
<v Speaker 7>each other. In the cemetery. So later on May eleventh,

561
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:58.440
<v Speaker 7>in nineteen twenty three, Slovich was discovered working in a

562
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:02.359
<v Speaker 7>restaurant San Diego, and he confessed to his crime the

563
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:03.960
<v Speaker 7>San Diego detectives.

564
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 6>They came up.

565
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 7>Sacramento cops came and picked them up and brought them back,

566
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:12.119
<v Speaker 7>and Soluovic said, it's better to be dead than put

567
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:15.000
<v Speaker 7>in prison for the rest of my life and made

568
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:19.400
<v Speaker 7>to eat mush and beans and break rock. So Slogovich

569
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:21.599
<v Speaker 7>got his wish when he was sentenced to the gallows

570
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:25.119
<v Speaker 7>and Fulsome prison, and his last words were goodbye boys,

571
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:29.720
<v Speaker 7>and took him fifteen minutes to die, so they hung

572
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 7>him in Fulsome prison.

573
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.319
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<v Speaker 6>No necessary dail.

585
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<v Speaker 3>I I lost in terms of conditions eighteen plus.

586
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<v Speaker 7>You know that's the whole area over there from that

587
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.920
<v Speaker 7>last story and this one has all been torn down

588
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 7>and redeveloped like for the last sixty years. You know,

589
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:19.079
<v Speaker 7>there are no old buildings in that whole neighborhood. And

590
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 7>it's blocks maybe ten blocks on O Street, which is

591
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.559
<v Speaker 7>on side of the Capitol. But guys were staking out

592
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:31.480
<v Speaker 7>in the rain this bakery at the Sutter Bakery that

593
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:35.119
<v Speaker 7>was at seventeen twenty L Street, and these guys came

594
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.720
<v Speaker 7>in and woman who has partners with this guy. Her

595
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:42.599
<v Speaker 7>name is Minnehawkley, and Max Karl was the owner and

596
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.559
<v Speaker 7>the baker. She shouted out to him and again this

597
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 7>is like in the evening too. He shouted out to her.

598
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.160
<v Speaker 7>You know, there was a robber and Krawl was like, well,

599
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.200
<v Speaker 7>I'll get my gun too, and they grappled and broke away,

600
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:59.079
<v Speaker 7>fire te shots ready to krawl. First bullet entered his

601
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.559
<v Speaker 7>back and passed cleaned through his body, and the second

602
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.759
<v Speaker 7>child in his heart. Killers ran off into the rainy night.

603
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.960
<v Speaker 7>Here again it's a bakery and it's open at night.

604
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 7>You know, it's just it's amazing that people were out

605
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 7>and the belt so late in the old days. So

606
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 7>you know, people saw it, saw these guys loitering and stuff,

607
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:20.880
<v Speaker 7>and all they could see is that there were two

608
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.880
<v Speaker 7>guys in their late twenties. So the cop set up

609
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.839
<v Speaker 7>roadblocks and they went into all the pool halls and

610
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 7>cafes and dance halls and shook down all the usual suspects.

611
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<v Speaker 7>That's kind of how they did things in Sacramento back then.

612
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<v Speaker 7>This guy named Charles McGuire popped into a Southern Pacific

613
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:43.079
<v Speaker 7>freight car and there's a sky named Meaner Barry. It

614
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:47.000
<v Speaker 7>was a medical student from New York City and he

615
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 7>was bumming around the country being a hobo, like a

616
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.480
<v Speaker 7>lot of young people did during those times, like on

617
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.759
<v Speaker 7>their summer vacation, just to get experienced, have fun, maybe

618
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:01.559
<v Speaker 7>work a little bit. They started chatting and McGuire started

619
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<v Speaker 7>dragging that he had pulled hold up in Sacramento and

620
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.079
<v Speaker 7>had shot up shot this guy when he put up

621
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:10.239
<v Speaker 7>a fight. So Barry got off a train in Collfax,

622
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:13.920
<v Speaker 7>which is about forty miles east of Sacramento, like right

623
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.599
<v Speaker 7>on the Donner Pass, towards Donner Pass. So Barry got

624
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.480
<v Speaker 7>off and told the trained dispatcher about McGuire, and they

625
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 7>sent the message to the next stop and pulled him

626
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.960
<v Speaker 7>over and Gold Run, California, which is now it's like

627
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:32.760
<v Speaker 7>it's just a rest stop on the way and eighty.

628
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:35.920
<v Speaker 7>So you know, they brought him back to Sacramento and stuff,

629
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<v Speaker 7>and the guy denied that he was involved, but after

630
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.440
<v Speaker 7>a couple hours of interrogation room they probably smacked him

631
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<v Speaker 7>across the head with a phone book and a rubber

632
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.559
<v Speaker 7>hose and stuff, and he finally admitted that he fired

633
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.559
<v Speaker 7>the gun, but had no intentions on doing it. So

634
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:57.400
<v Speaker 7>he told about his partner, twenty three year old Zero Roski,

635
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.639
<v Speaker 7>and McGuire said that he met him ino Pool Hall

636
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.239
<v Speaker 7>only hours before the murder, and after a couple of drinks,

637
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.119
<v Speaker 7>they decided to go rab the bakery. They hung out

638
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.239
<v Speaker 7>in the rain scouting out the situation for ten minutes,

639
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:14.280
<v Speaker 7>and McGuire admitted pulling the trigger, killing the Austrian immigrant.

640
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.679
<v Speaker 7>And he said, instead of complying, he grabbed all of

641
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.719
<v Speaker 7>them and so he started calling me names and he

642
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:23.320
<v Speaker 7>fired twice. So McGuire still talking and he said about

643
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:26.239
<v Speaker 7>how you know where they went after the crime and

644
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:29.000
<v Speaker 7>the partner was supposed to meet him at eleven o'clock

645
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.840
<v Speaker 7>the next morning, and he just didn't show up, so

646
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.400
<v Speaker 7>he went and hopped a freight train. So yeah, McGuire

647
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.039
<v Speaker 7>talked about you know, he was on the train with

648
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:40.760
<v Speaker 7>him and he was scared that he was would get

649
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 7>shot by the guy and stuff.

650
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:44.519
<v Speaker 6>So that Rotowski guy.

651
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.920
<v Speaker 7>A few days before the murder, he was caught riding

652
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:50.800
<v Speaker 7>in a stolen car, but he wasn't the driver, and

653
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.159
<v Speaker 7>no one in the car new was stolen, so they

654
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.360
<v Speaker 7>charged Rowski with vagrancy and he served a couple of

655
00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:59.239
<v Speaker 7>days in jail and was told to leave. So he

656
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 7>was captured March twenty first, nineteen thirty seven, in Leadville, Colorado,

657
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.719
<v Speaker 7>and he pled that guilty and changes plead guilty sentence

658
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:11.519
<v Speaker 7>to life in prison. McGuire was executed on December third,

659
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:16.119
<v Speaker 7>nineteen thirty seven, and he was the last prisoner executed

660
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:17.159
<v Speaker 7>in fulsome prison.

661
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.000
<v Speaker 5>I have one other story that I'd like you to tell,

662
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.239
<v Speaker 5>at least we can discuss, and it's the very first

663
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.239
<v Speaker 5>story in your collection, and it was Papa was awfully mad.

664
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 5>This is August third, nineteen forty two in San Francisco,

665
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.280
<v Speaker 5>and rod and Gertrude haik and they're going to go

666
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.440
<v Speaker 5>out on August second, nineteen forty two with the brother

667
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:43.000
<v Speaker 5>in law, with their brother in law, Warren Ritchie. And

668
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.679
<v Speaker 5>in this particular case very much reminded me of the

669
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.800
<v Speaker 5>story about Genevieve witnessing the horror of her mother being

670
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.840
<v Speaker 5>killed and then dismembered in the side room. This young

671
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:58.280
<v Speaker 5>girl named Janice is only six years old and gets

672
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:02.440
<v Speaker 5>to witness some horror of her own that August third,

673
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:05.199
<v Speaker 5>nineteen forty two. Can you tell us a little bit

674
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 5>about Rodney and Gertrude and what happens that night after

675
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.360
<v Speaker 5>they go out and he comes back early and she

676
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:13.760
<v Speaker 5>decides to stay out late.

677
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it was during war time in San Francisco and

678
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.320
<v Speaker 7>things are just open twenty four hours a day, and

679
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.480
<v Speaker 7>you know, there was work to be had everywhere. Other

680
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:26.880
<v Speaker 7>shipyards were all booming, and Rad worked at a bulldozer

681
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.159
<v Speaker 7>operator on Treasure Island. Treasure Island is the island in

682
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:33.400
<v Speaker 7>the middle of the Bay Bridge and there was a

683
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:37.199
<v Speaker 7>major seaplane base there. All kinds of things now it's

684
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.400
<v Speaker 7>kind of there was a World's Fair there too. Now

685
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 7>it's kind of like condos and stuff. So he was

686
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.320
<v Speaker 7>safe from military services. He's married and had a kid,

687
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:46.800
<v Speaker 7>had a job that had to do with you know,

688
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.800
<v Speaker 7>military out there. So at eleven o'clock in the evening,

689
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:54.280
<v Speaker 7>the left six year old Janis alone in the apartment

690
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.440
<v Speaker 7>in eighty one ninth Street, which is I think the

691
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:01.000
<v Speaker 7>dog Patch area of San Francisco, go pretty close to

692
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.119
<v Speaker 7>the stadium, the baseball stadium. They went out to paint

693
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.880
<v Speaker 7>the town red and only after an hour Radney came

694
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.960
<v Speaker 7>home and he was really drunk, and Gertrude stayed out,

695
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:14.679
<v Speaker 7>and he was angry that she stayed out. Later and

696
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.840
<v Speaker 7>Rodney laid down the couch with one eye open. About

697
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.920
<v Speaker 7>four in the morning, Gertrude came home with their brother

698
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.599
<v Speaker 7>in law, Warren, and he jumped up immediately and attacked her,

699
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Speaker 7>and Warren took off. He just got out of there,

700
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.559
<v Speaker 7>got in his car and took off. He started beating

701
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 7>his twenty seven year old wife senseless, tearing off her

702
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.719
<v Speaker 7>clothes and just beat her to a bleeding poulp it's

703
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:39.079
<v Speaker 7>all right, in front of his six year old daughter. Janice,

704
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:42.840
<v Speaker 7>and the walls of the apartment were splattered in blood,

705
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:47.000
<v Speaker 7>and just so was the clothes Rodney was wearing. The inspector,

706
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.760
<v Speaker 7>Cop Frank Arihorn San Francisco PD, accepted Roddy's confession, took

707
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Speaker 7>him to jail, and they got a statement from Janice,

708
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:59.599
<v Speaker 7>who told the inspector Papa was awfully mad. When Mama

709
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.840
<v Speaker 7>came home, he hit her and I heard him say

710
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 7>something about a knife. I ran into the kitchen and

711
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.519
<v Speaker 7>hid the big knives there so he wouldn't hurt Mama more.

712
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:12.440
<v Speaker 7>Danis had a plenty of love caused by her getting

713
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.360
<v Speaker 7>it away while he was beating his her mother and

714
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:15.760
<v Speaker 7>to death.

715
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:16.639
<v Speaker 6>They called so.

716
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:21.039
<v Speaker 7>Rodney's father Auto is this rich farmer from Chaucella and

717
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:24.360
<v Speaker 7>he owned land like all over California, including in Oakland.

718
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:28.880
<v Speaker 7>In nineteen thirty eight, Rodney got arrested by Mondesto police

719
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:33.199
<v Speaker 7>for selling some of his father's grain and keeping the proceeds,

720
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:36.039
<v Speaker 7>and he was angry that his father turned him in.

721
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:38.719
<v Speaker 7>He was basically if I thought he was getting a loan,

722
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:41.599
<v Speaker 7>none what you know? He was owed flirted out to

723
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:44.519
<v Speaker 7>the police, says his father is responsible for the murder

724
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 7>of his uncle fourteen years earlier, legally his uncle taking

725
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:53.920
<v Speaker 7>carnal liberties with Otto's fourteen year old daughter and this

726
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:58.199
<v Speaker 7>guy named Fred Green and Otto were arrested and lodged

727
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 7>the same place as Rodney. This is like three years

728
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:06.599
<v Speaker 7>four years before he murdered his wife. So supposed to

729
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:09.599
<v Speaker 7>be this guy named Karl Rasmussen who was a ranch hand,

730
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:12.800
<v Speaker 7>shot or beat Collins to death in front of a

731
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.840
<v Speaker 7>bunk house screen who was eighteen at the time, was

732
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.280
<v Speaker 7>working at the ranch and helped Auto and risk meson

733
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.159
<v Speaker 7>Barry Collins. So they kind of said it was an

734
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.760
<v Speaker 7>honor slaying, and they just the eight dropped the case.

735
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:29.280
<v Speaker 7>You know, the guy was a rich landowner and just

736
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.199
<v Speaker 7>kind of an honor murder and they couldn't find a body,

737
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 7>and they couldn't find the Otto guy, and so they

738
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:40.599
<v Speaker 7>just dropped the charges. So, you know, he Rodney confessed

739
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 7>to killing his wife and so they senced him to

740
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:49.320
<v Speaker 7>five years of life in San Quentin. He pleaded guilty

741
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:53.199
<v Speaker 7>to second degree murder. He was transferred to Chino, which

742
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.800
<v Speaker 7>is a was a medium security prison in nineteen forty four,

743
00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.440
<v Speaker 7>and then he was granted special for role. In April

744
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:03.519
<v Speaker 7>eighth nineteen forty four, and he has listed in the

745
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.880
<v Speaker 7>US Army. Just like a couple months later, in nineteen

746
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.440
<v Speaker 7>fifty the census lists around me Hackey as a prisoner

747
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:14.199
<v Speaker 7>at the Madria County Jail, and he died in nineteen

748
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.079
<v Speaker 7>sixty three at age forty seven.

749
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:20.599
<v Speaker 5>It's very interesting sort of what's written between the lines

750
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.639
<v Speaker 5>that he was only sentenced to five years in San

751
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.360
<v Speaker 5>Quentin after pleading two second degree murder, but he was

752
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.280
<v Speaker 5>also when he was transferred to nineteen forty four. He

753
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.400
<v Speaker 5>was also given a special parole in nineteen forty four

754
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:38.039
<v Speaker 5>and enlisted in the US Army. From other stories, it

755
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.480
<v Speaker 5>sounds like that's you go to jail or you enlist

756
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:44.159
<v Speaker 5>in the army. But this five year sentence seems to

757
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 5>be a somewhat of a nod in that where men

758
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.400
<v Speaker 5>were given sort of an understanding for a murder involving

759
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.320
<v Speaker 5>again jealousy and other men.

760
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:58.000
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it wasn't seemed as big of a crime as

761
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:01.000
<v Speaker 7>if it would have been two guys in a parking

762
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.519
<v Speaker 7>lot of a bar or something. It's like, oh, it

763
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:06.599
<v Speaker 7>was just his wife, so but it didn't sound like

764
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.440
<v Speaker 7>he had a very good life afterwards, and the poor daughter.

765
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:15.119
<v Speaker 7>She was just bounced around between her mother's family and

766
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:18.400
<v Speaker 7>his father's family, and I think she ended up in

767
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.519
<v Speaker 7>foster care and she kind of fell off the map

768
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 7>at about age sixteen. I couldn't find anything else about her.

769
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:29.519
<v Speaker 5>It's incredible when you realize that this Genevieve again vigorous

770
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:33.320
<v Speaker 5>cross examination is what they call it, and this other

771
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:37.000
<v Speaker 5>Janis is six years old, so even younger, and there

772
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 5>was no way that the kind of trauma that has

773
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:43.280
<v Speaker 5>injured at at a court trial can be undone, I think,

774
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 5>in any doable way.

775
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:45.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

776
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:47.880
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And it's pretty hard to find any of these

777
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:51.159
<v Speaker 7>people afterwards. You don't, especially with women. They get married

778
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.920
<v Speaker 7>and change their names and things, and you know, it

779
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.440
<v Speaker 7>turns into a wild use chase trying to figure.

780
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:56.880
<v Speaker 6>Out who is who.

781
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.719
<v Speaker 7>Absolutely, you know, some people just don't want to be found. Yeah.

782
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:05.760
<v Speaker 5>It's interesting too, though, that two small children in all

783
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:07.920
<v Speaker 5>of these stories that you just you know, there was

784
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.000
<v Speaker 5>not a concerted effort to include two stories with children

785
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:15.440
<v Speaker 5>being witnesses to murder, but it is an unusual aspect

786
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 5>of these incredible stories in this collection.

787
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:19.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, thank you.

788
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.239
<v Speaker 5>I want to thank you so much David for coming

789
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:28.039
<v Speaker 5>on and talking about deadly California murders, accidents, and robberies

790
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.320
<v Speaker 5>gone wrong. For those people that might want to take

791
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:33.119
<v Speaker 5>a look at your rather work, where would you advise

792
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:33.519
<v Speaker 5>them to go.

793
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 7>Well, I have an author page on Amazon that'd be

794
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.719
<v Speaker 7>a good place to start. All my books are available

795
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:41.800
<v Speaker 7>on Amazon and in your local bookstore.

796
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:42.480
<v Speaker 6>I've seen them.

797
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.920
<v Speaker 5>Thank you very much, David Kolcheck for coming on and

798
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.599
<v Speaker 5>talking about murders, accidents, and robberies gone wrong.

799
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:51.679
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for this interview. You have a

800
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:52.199
<v Speaker 1>great evening.

801
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:53.800
<v Speaker 6>Thanks for having me. Good night,
