Speaker 1: Yo, it's going on. Everybody. Welcome to a new episode
Speaker 1: of Mechanic Cass. I'm Kendon, Dave, I'movy. On today's episode,
Speaker 1: we have a special guest, Clay of Morgan Composting and
Speaker 1: Smoking Tomatoes, joining us today. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome, Yeah, thank you for having me on. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, We've I feel like a long time coming. You know,
Speaker 3: we've been talking about.
Speaker 1: This and that's little stuff met at uh Michigan Matt's
Speaker 1: metric mash. That's that was in October at the Hopbox Social.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. Vote and by the time this comes out,
Speaker 1: we probably will be seeing each other again.
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Speaker 3: You have to check that episode out. That one just
Speaker 3: came out a little while ago. Check out the Michigan
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, just really really excited to make this
Speaker 3: one happen because I feel like sometimes when we get
Speaker 3: lost in the in these interviews, it's always like brands
Speaker 3: like growers, genetics, like again, love this because that's the
Speaker 3: that's the bump.
Speaker 1: No one talks about all these ants, l A, these
Speaker 1: things that.
Speaker 3: Really build the industry, that you know that really build
Speaker 3: the industry, And like you're rocking a couple of brands here.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna kind of deep dive and do different
Speaker 3: types of soils and composts and all the things that
Speaker 3: you do. So I'm really excited. But first we always
Speaker 3: like to start with, Yeah, who our guest is?
Speaker 1: So Clay? Like ye, give our listeners a little background
Speaker 1: about Clay? Sure?
Speaker 2: Sure, So I'm Clay work for more than composting. My
Speaker 2: background is actually in horticulture, kind of perennials, groundcovers, outdoor plants.
Speaker 2: You'd see I did at for about twelve years on
Speaker 2: West Michigan, Oh co Wow yep, yep. I graduated from
Speaker 2: Hope back way back when in twenty twelve, and then
Speaker 2: I went right into working for a green roof company
Speaker 2: growing green roofs and seedums outdoor grow about sixty acres
Speaker 2: producing that, and then moved towards indoor growing and perennials
Speaker 2: and annuals, and then just continue that through my career
Speaker 2: and then got into cannabis growing for a year and
Speaker 2: then now I'm here doing sales for We're in composting soils,
Speaker 2: nutritions and kind of starting the framework and groundwork for
Speaker 2: no pun intended for companies.
Speaker 3: So Morgan Composting is like the parent company of said
Speaker 3: all these smoking tomatoes were wrapping and you know, and
Speaker 3: dairy do. So let's kind of dig into like more
Speaker 3: and composting and like, you know, like wait, so how'd
Speaker 3: you end up at Morgan Composting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So previous to Morgan Composting, I was working for
Speaker 2: a large grower East Lansing, and it just happened twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, just the market the way it was in
Speaker 2: the company, my position got eliminated. So I went on
Speaker 2: the job search and I just kind of shoot my
Speaker 2: shot at anything that was related to growing plants because
Speaker 2: cultivation is my my forte. I guess you could say
Speaker 2: in propagation. Cool. And so I found an opportunity for
Speaker 2: an agricultural sales rep for them and just kind of
Speaker 2: put in my my application and still looking and they
Speaker 2: reached out and it just felt right. And it's a
Speaker 2: great family company and they've been treating me really well
Speaker 2: and accepting of me even though I'm like the normal
Speaker 2: farmer kind of person that fits in behind. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: now that's what I do now and it's awesome.
Speaker 1: Good yeah, good Rege. So we actually met him years ago. Yeah, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: a little site not out there da yeah, tag of farmers.
Speaker 1: I always think, so, how am in articulture? Jesus horticulture culture?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I did that for what I said, Yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: so for horticulture. I was doing that for twelve years,
Speaker 2: and then I did agriculture sales for about a year
Speaker 2: and just recently I got I got transitioned on. They
Speaker 2: allowed me to focus more on the cannabis side and
Speaker 2: growing our smoking tomatoes brand and just getting out and
Speaker 2: meeting people and reviving that now that the market's kind
Speaker 2: of what it is now and it's not terrible to
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 1: Right, not as like taboo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the word I was there for.
Speaker 3: I mean because like honestly, there is that normalization thing
Speaker 3: that kind of had to take place for a lot
Speaker 3: of people.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, Michigan's been legal nel since what twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: So it's like it's more talked about now, a lot
Speaker 1: of people know about what's going on and bring a
Speaker 1: lot of tax revenues. I think more people are open
Speaker 1: to it. And then you see how it's actually not horrible.
Speaker 3: So Morgan Composting and there's dairy Do So, dairy Do
Speaker 3: that is a product, correct, Okay, okay, because again that
Speaker 3: was like, so what what is dry Do?
Speaker 2: Yes, dry Do So. Dairy Do is our Kalmanore based
Speaker 2: compost It's kind of our base product. It was the
Speaker 2: first product created from the company. So the Morgan family
Speaker 2: and Composting. We're a Michigan based family owned company. They're
Speaker 2: based out of Sears. It's right next to Evert So
Speaker 2: it's like, hope you're like min Michigan. Yeah, it's about
Speaker 2: an hour and a half north of Lansing. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: So their whole family have been farmers, dairy farmers for
Speaker 2: generations and generations and like towards the eighties, nineties, they're
Speaker 2: starting to deal with the manure problem where it was
Speaker 2: just piling up and in those days people you'd have
Speaker 2: to pay people to take your.
Speaker 3: Manure, right right, it's not like right yeah, it's not
Speaker 3: like the normal trashism we're used to now, or you
Speaker 3: could just get rid of things like that, right right, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's yeah.
Speaker 2: So they're piling it up and just tired of trying
Speaker 2: to deal with this and what do we do with this?
Speaker 2: So one of the founders, Brad Morgan, who's the president
Speaker 2: right now, he started to contact MSU and talk with
Speaker 2: them and see like what can we do with this?
Speaker 2: And they said, you can compost it. So they started
Speaker 2: looking into composting and and moving towards that. And as
Speaker 2: the nine these progressed the milk market, it really changed
Speaker 2: in the dairy market change to where you either have
Speaker 2: to get really big or get out, and they chose
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety six to sell the last cows and
Speaker 2: go full into composting, and that was kind of the
Speaker 2: birth of dairy do the first product.
Speaker 3: So towards the end of like that transition, they were
Speaker 3: pretty much making their own compost dairy do owing product
Speaker 3: for themselves. They like, well, why don't we just sell
Speaker 3: this product to the masses. That makes sense that kind
Speaker 3: of transition, like, well, we have a quality product here,
Speaker 3: and like you said, if there's that decline in profits
Speaker 3: there and it's probably more overhead and then less profits,
Speaker 3: it's like I might as well just do this.
Speaker 1: It's probably a lot.
Speaker 3: Of labor that goes into running a farm, like you know,
Speaker 3: my dad did, like my grandpa had, Like he was
Speaker 3: a doctor by trade, but he did a he had
Speaker 3: like a farm, like just some cows and horses. My
Speaker 3: dad talks about how much work that was, so like
Speaker 3: to have an actual dairy farm, Like I can't imagine.
Speaker 2: There's no day.
Speaker 3: So it sounds like they work, so that's cool.
Speaker 1: So that's cool.
Speaker 3: So they actually know what it takes to grow, like
Speaker 3: to make a product out of it, so it's neat
Speaker 3: they do.
Speaker 2: They do, And it's it's crazy how the industries changed
Speaker 2: where like when they first started that they were paying
Speaker 2: people to give them their manure, where now we pay
Speaker 2: to get it from local farms and and that's where
Speaker 2: we source it. And that's that's what I love about.
Speaker 1: You buy it? What's the change?
Speaker 3: Like why do why is it gone. Is it just
Speaker 3: the supply demand, like it's harder to get now. Really
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily supply.
Speaker 2: It's more that people appreciate it for what it is
Speaker 2: now and what you can put it into and just
Speaker 2: how you can utilize manures.
Speaker 3: I see before it was just cowshit. Now it's now
Speaker 3: it's like an actual commodity. Right, there's a respect to going, wow,
Speaker 3: look what they can gain from You're absolutely right, But
Speaker 3: that's funny because it would just look as it's just poop,
Speaker 3: you know, but now it's like poop poop, get egal money.
Speaker 1: I guess I like it.
Speaker 2: It's cool. Yeah, And it's a it's a really great
Speaker 2: product too, and it takes a really big process. And
Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest thing about dairy Doo and
Speaker 2: just the Morgan composting products that we create is just
Speaker 2: the quality of it and the care we put into
Speaker 2: it that we really want to represent it. And I
Speaker 2: feel great being a salesperson and representing there.
Speaker 3: You got your root in that family buy value type
Speaker 3: of you know, tradition because it was a family as
Speaker 3: a family, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And it still is. It's still family owned, it's and
Speaker 2: run Brad Soun Justin is our VP and my boss.
Speaker 2: So and it just keeps going in generation.
Speaker 1: So more in compost.
Speaker 3: And then we went into dairy Do transition to dairy Do.
Speaker 3: So dairy Do is the product and the website looks
Speaker 3: really nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3: I checked just right now, So just looking at it
Speaker 3: if you want to check out the products dairy Do,
Speaker 3: if you're interested in all that, reach out and.
Speaker 1: It's just the composting, correct, that's it. The dairy Do
Speaker 1: is that every all the products dairy.
Speaker 2: Do, we get branded a lot of that and a
Speaker 2: lot of people know us as dairy Do, but technically
Speaker 2: it's just a compost all of our other products, I
Speaker 2: would say, especially if it's a soil mixture or potting
Speaker 2: soil are based off of it or include it, so
Speaker 2: we use it in everything. It's kind of like a
Speaker 2: red hot with the shit.
Speaker 3: On every absolutely absolutely, So what kind of product, like,
Speaker 3: what can dairy Do be used for?
Speaker 2: I mean it can be used for anything. The biggest
Speaker 2: thing that it can provide people, I think is biology.
Speaker 2: So it's it is a live It is a living
Speaker 2: kind of like any plant. This is any plant or
Speaker 2: soil type of Oh, Okay, Yeah, you just have to
Speaker 2: be careful of how much you use it is it
Speaker 2: doesn't like have a big NPK value like nitrogen and
Speaker 2: phosphorus and potassium, but it's it's very rich and.
Speaker 3: So it's not necessarily specified just for like the cana's plant,
Speaker 3: because I know those three are big in the cannas plant.
Speaker 3: So dairy do is mainly used for like in horticulture
Speaker 3: and all types of plants and just helping with to
Speaker 3: make like I know, obviously we got the smoke between
Speaker 3: so I'm working there, but like, but I just because
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, like what industries can benefit from
Speaker 3: darry do. What industries is dairy do in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really anything. If it's a plant and it's growing,
Speaker 2: it can benefit from compost and depending on the system,
Speaker 2: like if you're growing in rock, well, it may not
Speaker 2: make sense just because it's not the right kind of media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense, but there are other.
Speaker 2: Things we can use in those situations that can help
Speaker 2: and are kind of based off of it.
Speaker 1: So how much would you add to like your normal pot,
Speaker 1: like a five gamon pot of how much.
Speaker 2: We usually say if you're like spreading on the ground,
Speaker 2: eighth of an inch to a quarter inch max on top,
Speaker 2: just on top yet and you can even incorporate it
Speaker 2: that was sit on the ground, not in pots in
Speaker 2: pots two. Okay, it's just like yeah, just so a
Speaker 2: quarter inch to eighth of an inch you usually get
Speaker 2: to it right around. You can go heavier, just be careful,
Speaker 2: but we recommend a quarter to an eighth of an inch.
Speaker 3: We kind of what kind of like results do people
Speaker 3: see what Darry do, Like do they see like what
Speaker 3: do they see us? Like an increase in I know
Speaker 3: that coming from a harder couldurre background, So I'm just
Speaker 3: more curious. Like composting it just helps the overall.
Speaker 1: Plant growth in general. So yeah, it'll get more product essentially.
Speaker 2: Essentially, Yeah, so composts it. Like you were asking about
Speaker 2: the benefits of so biology is a big one because
Speaker 2: it is a lie, it's living, and it's pathogen free
Speaker 2: just because of the process we do. It's an exothermic composting,
Speaker 2: so it gives off heat. It'll stay at one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty five plus degrees throughout its life as it
Speaker 2: cures and as it composts. So that's a big difference
Speaker 2: from our company to maybe competitors is it is a
Speaker 2: very finished product. We even cure it extra time once
Speaker 2: it's done, like legally, once it's compost we go further
Speaker 2: and allow it to cure an off gas, any maybe
Speaker 2: remaining pathogens or gases that you don't like. So if
Speaker 2: you get a bag of dairy to do and open it,
Speaker 2: it just smells like dirt because I've definitely opened other
Speaker 2: composts and it smells like ooop or it's real heavy
Speaker 2: ammonia in your face, and that just means it's not
Speaker 2: done composting. It's not fully done.
Speaker 3: Interested kind of reminds me of like a cure if you
Speaker 3: rush to cure.
Speaker 2: It's like how I'm.
Speaker 1: Relating in my head.
Speaker 2: It's exactly like that.
Speaker 1: Cool. Where do you store it when it's curing outdoors?
Speaker 2: It's all outdoor production, yep ye. And it's really cool
Speaker 2: because because of the process and kalmanor is really writt
Speaker 2: it tends to have a ton of weed seeds in it.
Speaker 2: And that's why we don't recommend using kalmanoor like directly
Speaker 2: on a product because of that heat. It kills all
Speaker 2: the weed seeds, it kills all the pathogens, but leaves
Speaker 2: the good biology. So you'll see a fifty foot pile
Speaker 2: of it and it'll be black. You're around, No weed's
Speaker 2: growing on it, nothing there, So it's it's just a
Speaker 2: really cool bitch product. And so it gives that biology.
Speaker 2: But it's also really high in organic matter and carbon,
Speaker 2: so it provides holding capacity to your soil, so it
Speaker 2: can hold on to nutrients that maybe normally pass through,
Speaker 2: so you can end trust using less inputs and that's
Speaker 2: where it can kind of see.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting.
Speaker 3: So if you adding this compost if helping and stay alonger,
Speaker 3: you say.
Speaker 1: It's less nutrients, stay longer. That's that's fascinating.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah, and that's like high overview just generalization. No,
Speaker 2: it's that's really cool. No.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I I coming from the world of
Speaker 3: like you know, I'm not a grower, so like whenever
Speaker 3: I have questions, it's really from such a like I'm
Speaker 3: seriously asking the question, like why.
Speaker 2: Don't you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like that there's so much things you know, and you know,
Speaker 3: sustainable organic compost. And then it says for homeowners and
Speaker 3: our Argo business, So we talked to Argo business, what
Speaker 3: what for homeowners? Just for like your everyday guarden type
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, okay, yeah, And we have a line of
Speaker 2: like potting soils as well, oh for that are like
Speaker 2: specific to that and contained dairy do for like your homeowner.
Speaker 2: And then like larger agro business, which is what I
Speaker 2: did before focusing on cannabis. We'll blend in manures and
Speaker 2: with our composts with other like amendments like gypsum and
Speaker 2: and just raw nutrients, and then we'll send those to
Speaker 2: farms where they'll spread it on their on their ground
Speaker 2: before they plant crops.
Speaker 1: Are these separate products or do you custom?
Speaker 2: Nope, we do custom.
Speaker 3: That's that's what you'll connect with your farm, like what
Speaker 3: do you are, what's your business?
Speaker 2: How can we help exactly? And even just like that,
Speaker 2: as I focus on cannabis, like I'll go out and
Speaker 2: I'll take soil samples for people, whether even container pot
Speaker 2: samples if they're doing a like a media or a
Speaker 2: like a container grow instead of in ground, and we'll
Speaker 2: test those. We'll see what's left, what's in there, and
Speaker 2: then we can recommend a blend of our products and
Speaker 2: what we have on hand to achieve and it matches
Speaker 2: up with what that's sweet because then has a business
Speaker 2: like especially like if I was listening to that, like,
Speaker 2: that's so nice because I can just give you a
Speaker 2: calm like, Hey, this is what I grow, This is
Speaker 2: how I grow.
Speaker 3: How this is what I'm trying to get, and you
Speaker 3: can like, how can I help in that sense because
Speaker 3: you're customizing because I because a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 3: we do these there's a product, here's my product, is
Speaker 3: what I'm selling.
Speaker 1: So that's really cool they know you offer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and whether it's a like soil ground compost blend,
Speaker 2: whether it's a container mix, whether it's a liquid or
Speaker 2: even a granular, we can customize anything for someone.
Speaker 1: Damn that's neat man. You don't see that often the
Speaker 1: customizers for the soil like unless it's like you're just
Speaker 1: doing what the directions tell you to do. A point
Speaker 1: two of this, point two of this. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just going with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's your schedule. That's one of the biggest straws.
Speaker 2: I would say to Morgan composting and dairy dew and
Speaker 2: smoking tomatoes is like we can really tailor it to
Speaker 2: what you want. Like I've had people who really know
Speaker 2: what they're talking about. They know what they want in
Speaker 2: their grow but they don't you know, they've been working
Speaker 2: with you know X y Z company that's just gets
Speaker 2: so expensive, or they they're shipping it in from across
Speaker 2: the country when it's right here in Michigan and they
Speaker 2: can just tell me if I want that's a percent
Speaker 2: of this, this, this, and.
Speaker 3: Now you're located Michigan. The farm I imagine, is there
Speaker 3: like a do you have your own store?
Speaker 2: No, we work with dealers.
Speaker 1: So if you go, it's like kind of authorized dealers
Speaker 1: working your product.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yep, if you go to dairyd dot com
Speaker 2: or smoking tomatoes dot com, there's a dealer locator on there.
Speaker 3: Actually, that's a beautiful lead in. I'm gonna pull up
Speaker 3: the next website is smoking Tomatoes. So we keep seeing
Speaker 3: this tomato floating around the scene.
Speaker 1: Everyone see it's on the thing.
Speaker 3: So let's talk about smoking tomatoes. So we talked about
Speaker 3: kind of like what got you know, from farm into
Speaker 3: the composting. Now we get from composting into what is
Speaker 3: smoking tomatoes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So backing up just a little bit after we
Speaker 2: after they did the composting, they start One of the
Speaker 2: things that Brad does is like it's all, we're always
Speaker 2: looking to innovate, and he was looking at how can
Speaker 2: we come up with potting soils. So he worked with
Speaker 2: a lot of greenhouses and just tailored certain soils to that.
Speaker 2: And kind of right around that time, uh, legalization was happening,
Speaker 2: the boom was starting to happen. So we decided and
Speaker 2: and just like that industry was so taken off and
Speaker 2: kind of getting on the green rush. We created products
Speaker 2: that were designed for cannabis specific and that's where the
Speaker 2: smoking tomatoes.
Speaker 3: Comes because I look on your website and it looks
Speaker 3: like just just just just off the top layer website toplay. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I really didn't mean that pun, but I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like crickets out there makes either me or clay left.
Speaker 3: Well anyways, No, you got a couple mixes seed to
Speaker 3: clone mix one, veg mixed two and then I jumped
Speaker 3: at the top.
Speaker 1: But it looks like there's a third mix for a
Speaker 1: super bloom mix yep.
Speaker 2: And then we actually have a fourth blend. So so
Speaker 2: typically two and like so we have smokingmatoes one which
Speaker 2: is seed and clone, and then we have two and
Speaker 2: three for veget and flour. We don't normally like advertiser
Speaker 2: having stores the two and the three. Just from a
Speaker 2: consumer base, we found that we created a kind of
Speaker 2: hybrid of two and three called Smoking Tomatoes twenty three,
Speaker 2: which is a veg and bloom soil and it'll take
Speaker 2: you into bloom. And that's really the Cadillac, like, that's
Speaker 2: the one if you just want something to put in,
Speaker 2: put your plant in and have success, that's the one.
Speaker 2: And it's got twenty different ingreded and some minerals in it.
Speaker 2: It's organic, it's living, I guess.
Speaker 3: So this one is that the these blends a little
Speaker 3: bit more focused on the phosphorus, potassium and nitrogen.
Speaker 2: Yeah backwards, yeah, and and.
Speaker 1: H no, I'll give you.
Speaker 2: No, and you're right. Yeah. It does come with a
Speaker 2: light charge of everything, and it's it's almost more like
Speaker 2: mineral and some nutrient based and slow release nutrients like
Speaker 2: phosphorus can take a long time to break down, so
Speaker 2: we put that in there so by the time it's
Speaker 2: into flower, it's broken down the hard rock phosphate in
Speaker 2: there and it can and it can feed on it
Speaker 2: and then you can really take it from there as
Speaker 2: the grower of do you want to use organic liquids
Speaker 2: or granular granulars or do you want to do kind
Speaker 2: of conventional salts. All those work. You just have to
Speaker 2: kind of monitor the plant and tailor it towards what
Speaker 2: you want to do, and.
Speaker 1: You can add you other amendments to it as you please.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can do that too, like if you're
Speaker 2: starting to see different things, it just all blends together.
Speaker 2: And we even have one of our other current products
Speaker 2: is called compost Kicker, and that's more it's almost a
Speaker 2: refreshment product.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, that's an extra boost. Yeah, so they give
Speaker 3: you gros cycle an organic boost yep.
Speaker 2: So if you're like mid mid cycles, okay, yeah, that
Speaker 2: is that is like an actual compost product. It's kind
Speaker 2: of similar to what you'd get for a farm. It's
Speaker 2: a complex blend of a few different things that does
Speaker 2: have nutrition and it has some nitrogen soy based nitrogen
Speaker 2: in there with a few other things and that'll like
Speaker 2: refresh the biology bring and it has a dairy do
Speaker 2: and our high carbon dairy do to refresh the soil.
Speaker 2: So it'll bring back biology, it'll bring back some nutrients.
Speaker 2: It kind of refreshes it. If you're just reamending for
Speaker 2: the next run, or if it's mid season and you
Speaker 2: want a little boost going into flowering, you can use that.
Speaker 2: I am working on a new formula for that and
Speaker 2: just continuing to work on the smoke and tomatoes lions,
Speaker 2: So keep your eyes out.
Speaker 1: So it's a grow beginning grower. I could just buy
Speaker 1: one bag of your two twenty or was it twenty
Speaker 1: three twenty three? Yeah, so if I buy the one
Speaker 1: bag of twenty three, you don't have the trans trans planet. Really,
Speaker 1: I can just use that one so throughout the entire
Speaker 1: grow I say, if I just want to do in
Speaker 1: like a three gamon pod or five gammon pod.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do that, but you have to start
Speaker 2: with a plug at that point. It's not the twenty
Speaker 2: three is not designed for like a clone or a
Speaker 2: seed to start, and it's too it's too nutrient rich.
Speaker 2: So that's where you can start with our seed starter
Speaker 2: one yep, the number one and as Mike horizon it
Speaker 2: to help with fastination and then.
Speaker 1: Start like in a one gallon and then transplant into
Speaker 1: like a three or five whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I knew this was a soil, but as
Speaker 3: we talk talk obviously it's a living soil and that
Speaker 3: that's kind of like what's nice about this product and
Speaker 3: for people who aren't familiar with living soils is they
Speaker 3: really do help you if you don't never been familiar
Speaker 3: with growing, helps you grow a product that's decent, Like
Speaker 3: because you're helping with the writing green before you know,
Speaker 3: customizing it and stuff living soils early they have. I
Speaker 3: feel like it's a it's definitely a good way to.
Speaker 1: Grow m Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, and I full from what I've heard, I mean,
Speaker 3: don't you grow a living soil? Yeah, Dave grows with
Speaker 3: living so so Yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Changes, it changes the product a lot, and I think
Speaker 2: it changes it for the better.
Speaker 1: I like it. I mean, I like the flavor that
Speaker 1: it provides me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and working with some of my clients, they've
Speaker 2: definitely described that with using organic amendments and living soil,
Speaker 2: you'll see an increase in turping production.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. That makes sense.
Speaker 3: That we've talked about organics, people said organics just they
Speaker 3: just hit. They hit different. The terms are different, man
Speaker 3: And like, I understand salts are pretty because they look
Speaker 3: pretty in a butcher, but man like, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: and honestly I've had some salts to taste like, fine,
Speaker 3: they're all right, They're not horrible.
Speaker 1: But I think there's a difference.
Speaker 3: When I really noticed there is when you get into
Speaker 3: the end of a joint. I really feel like that's
Speaker 3: when you really can tell the organic. If you have
Speaker 3: a good grown organic can smoke all the way through,
Speaker 3: or sometimes that salt just gets a little bit more
Speaker 3: build up, and that's just I don't know. I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not a pro.
Speaker 2: I'm just smoking no. And it really depends on like
Speaker 2: what what your end goal is as a producer too,
Speaker 2: Like are you doing biomass? Doesn't really matter? Is it
Speaker 2: going to distill it?
Speaker 1: That's that's fair question.
Speaker 2: That's all in a budget, like you may but a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't realize that as you build that soil,
Speaker 2: as you put organic amendments and composts, eventually there's a
Speaker 2: point where it just becomes cheaper because all once you
Speaker 2: build your soil up to a degree, you just start
Speaker 2: maintaining and replacing what the plant's using. But it's an investment.
Speaker 2: It takes three to five years to get up to
Speaker 2: some of those levels. Depending on your budget. You can
Speaker 2: do the one your plant.
Speaker 3: But well, it's expensive and I don't really know what
Speaker 3: other like other options. But I mean, I know sometimes
Speaker 3: when you deal with just like a lot of organic stuff,
Speaker 3: you do open yourself to more like pests and mold sometimes.
Speaker 1: But as long as you know soil does bring in
Speaker 1: more bugs. Oh okay, so it's just soil in comparison
Speaker 1: to like a rock roll, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it can and it can probabe a whole compost.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you could probably it. Probably you can probably
Speaker 1: get bugs. It's living living, Yeah, that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But but you battle it with good pests and it's not
Speaker 1: like you're gonna no.
Speaker 3: I'm just curious because it's because you both know about living.
Speaker 3: I was like, let's talk about this because you've had
Speaker 3: to deal with this ship in the past, and you
Speaker 3: just life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Oh, when you get bad passed, yeah that stores.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not fun stores.
Speaker 1: And then when there were a good past and the
Speaker 1: soils that's what you want because they're bult they're the microbes,
Speaker 1: like the microbial life. You don't have that, then the
Speaker 1: soil is dead, then the plant. Then your plant's not
Speaker 1: going to get the correct nutrients and you're going to.
Speaker 2: Exactly it's all about that symbiosis between the plant and
Speaker 2: the roots root biome. I forget this the name for it.
Speaker 2: There's a name for the rise of sphere where the
Speaker 2: roots are and all the microbes in there. So it
Speaker 2: is a relationship. And depending on how tailored your blend
Speaker 2: is or what your programs are and how you're treating
Speaker 2: your plants, they can have extremely good i PM with
Speaker 2: minimal sprays by using organic and amendments and living soils
Speaker 2: because the plant it's naturally being fed what it needs
Speaker 2: to fight off things, so you're not having a spray
Speaker 2: in all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Naturally fighting it off. You want an organic spray Lost
Speaker 1: Coast plant Therapy Mike Canna.
Speaker 3: Twenty Listen, Like in this world of like organic versus
Speaker 3: non organic, I do prefer organics. And I think that's
Speaker 3: just the butt I've smoked. Maybe that's coming from Dave,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, spoiled Spoiler, Like I always saw
Speaker 3: him grow organic and so it's like for me, I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is like good shit.
Speaker 1: You know. I just in the last couple of years
Speaker 1: I've got really into the living soil it took forever.
Speaker 1: I did a lot of organics, was like with like
Speaker 1: some water nude like organic liquid newts, and then I
Speaker 1: had my own with dry amendments, and then I did
Speaker 1: a side by side with Tommy Stuff and Detroit Nutrient
Speaker 1: Company shout out, and that scheff just like obviously just
Speaker 1: was so good.
Speaker 2: Yep yep no. And and it's interesting because you can
Speaker 2: really just adding any organic amendments will help your plants,
Speaker 2: and you know, it can go from like full salts
Speaker 2: to I forget what it's called. Like there's a synergy
Speaker 2: where you can do kind of half and half orgle
Speaker 2: full organics and really anything can support that and support
Speaker 2: your plants growth. And that's kind of my goal as
Speaker 2: like leading this charge of smoking tomatoes, is can I
Speaker 2: provide just a consumer like you said, where you can
Speaker 2: go to store or and just buy a product line
Speaker 2: and grow how you want and it's all set up
Speaker 2: for you. So in the future, you know, I keep
Speaker 2: your eyes open. I'm trying to work on like an
Speaker 2: organic liquids, organic and then organic granulars, but then also
Speaker 2: conventional like salts, and we have great access to farm
Speaker 2: level producers of those, so so we can offer them
Speaker 2: for a really competitive price. So it really the idea
Speaker 2: is that someone could walk into the store and just
Speaker 2: use the entire line and have great success with it.
Speaker 3: Just just because I'm curious, because we don't get a
Speaker 3: lot of ancillary type of like brands on n ansilra
Speaker 3: excuse me, like soil type of brancilars correct, you know,
Speaker 3: but like, you know, supporting the industry, not just like
Speaker 3: the shiny image geneticis right, you know, like you know
Speaker 3: that the star of the seat. But is there any
Speaker 3: like is there any like I don't know how do
Speaker 3: I say this? I don't want to say trouble, but
Speaker 3: is there has there any? Is there any like difficulty
Speaker 3: running with composts and traveling with composts? Like do you
Speaker 3: guys export like outside of Michigan and stuff? Like I
Speaker 3: just wasn't sure like how it works for like living
Speaker 3: soil and stuff. Is it easy just to move to
Speaker 3: state to state? Yeah, like is available and off of
Speaker 3: these states and not yet?
Speaker 1: Just curious it all works. I guess that's probably how
Speaker 1: I should have said.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, and there are states that.
Speaker 3: Wasn't sure if there's regulations for soil. I guess it
Speaker 3: is a long form to get there. I wasn't sure
Speaker 3: how that works.
Speaker 2: There is, and they vary state to state, but it's
Speaker 2: more on the labeling of the process. So for like
Speaker 2: consumer based stuff, if we're shipping in it, yeah, kind
Speaker 2: of like and how the like if you're in California,
Speaker 2: you got a list certain things that are in it
Speaker 2: that could cause cancer, you know, all those crazy things
Speaker 2: you say.
Speaker 3: That California says is the rules. Okay, okay, okay, So
Speaker 3: it's state by state ruling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's state by state. But like, and that's
Speaker 2: for more consumer like retail bags. Things you find in
Speaker 2: a growth store that we could like the smoke and
Speaker 2: tomato line, for example. But we in terms of like
Speaker 2: shipping large scale, like we ship can ship smi loads.
Speaker 2: We can take that across the border, I think without
Speaker 2: too many regulations just because it's not it's going to
Speaker 2: a farm. It's not it's for industrial or agricultural use technically,
Speaker 2: not necessarily for like a consumer where they have to
Speaker 2: buy in a store and be informed about it. The
Speaker 2: people who buy that level know what they're getting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's curious because I didn't know if there what
Speaker 3: type of challenges you know, because when we're hearing about grows,
Speaker 3: we hear the challenges of like, hey, we can't legally
Speaker 3: do this, we can't do this, we can't do this.
Speaker 3: But I was curious, like what challenges come in with
Speaker 3: owning compass? Like right, you know, is there is there
Speaker 3: some challenge on the farm that you hear all the time,
Speaker 3: like they have to deal with running, like you said,
Speaker 3: Like the first one I thought of, like earlier, that's
Speaker 3: what made me think of this was the talking about
Speaker 3: you can't you can't even find the poop anymore, right,
Speaker 3: you got to pay more right that that's it's hard
Speaker 3: to find.
Speaker 1: So that's crazy. That's clearly like a challenge is the poop.
Speaker 3: It can't brought poop problem Yeah, for lack of better
Speaker 3: o poop there's no product.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, what what's going into that?
Speaker 1: That's shitting you know like that one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's okay. It have such an interesting joke.
Speaker 1: We do it all the time, Like this happens all
Speaker 1: the time in the office.
Speaker 2: That's what That's what my dad said when he when
Speaker 2: I told them what my job, He's like, man, I
Speaker 2: didn't send you account to college to be a shit salesman.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, may be a shit salesman, but I'm
Speaker 2: not a shitty salesman.
Speaker 1: No, but you know it's cool.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, except what we saw them, just kind of
Speaker 3: curious what type of challenges.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it can definitely be a challenge of sourcing.
Speaker 2: I think we've established some really good quality relationships with
Speaker 2: farms that we can consistently depend on them for cowmanor
Speaker 2: in the local seers area. And they're very careful to
Speaker 2: look at like what the farmers are giving those cows.
Speaker 2: If they're giving them antibiotics and things like that, we
Speaker 2: try to stay away from it just so you can
Speaker 2: tell that in the poop it could come through it.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense you are with right, yeah, coming.
Speaker 2: Here they're getting fed, the cleaner the products coming out
Speaker 2: the other end. Even with like chicken minore, that's our
Speaker 2: main source of either raw manure or just as an
Speaker 2: ingredient in some of our blends and stuff. We work
Speaker 2: with egg layer barns, so it's called layer manoir. And
Speaker 2: with the egg laying industry, their diet is extremely controlled
Speaker 2: and high calcium, so that their poop is also really
Speaker 2: really consistent when it comes out and clean so so
Speaker 2: we manage a few farms for people and get the
Speaker 2: so what do what directly?
Speaker 1: So for cannabis growers now specifically, what are they seeing
Speaker 1: any any increase in any of the any urb value
Speaker 1: tastes from using smoking tomatoes.
Speaker 2: And I don't know that we have necessary like statistical data.
Speaker 2: I'd love to and and and as I start to
Speaker 2: like build the brand and build kind of my passion
Speaker 2: for it and with work with companies and ask the
Speaker 2: right questions as someone who's cannabis focused, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: get some of those things to see like year over year,
Speaker 2: if you guys are running the same strains now the
Speaker 2: soil is coming in. But anecdotally, like people have said, yeah,
Speaker 2: this year the plant we went out to the farm,
Speaker 2: like True North for example, they went out to the farm, like,
Speaker 2: plants are way bigger this year, and it seems like, yeah,
Speaker 2: shout out shot out North. They're great. So I work
Speaker 2: with their outdoor and this year they did a little
Speaker 2: more compost. We did composts and granulars in addition to
Speaker 2: they have their own salts that they run. But they
Speaker 2: they visually said it looked bigger, the plants looked better,
Speaker 2: the terping production was better. They saw more because I
Speaker 2: got to go see their lab the other day and
Speaker 2: I was talking. I was curious, like, you gotta see
Speaker 2: more this year. And it is hard because it is
Speaker 2: strained based, so if you don't run the same strains,
Speaker 2: you can't really Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: I mean, but it's like, you know, if one person
Speaker 3: was like, hey, terps are better off organics, But I
Speaker 3: mean a lot of people are do this, so it's
Speaker 3: not like I don't want to say it's common knowledge
Speaker 3: because like, honestly, you know, people make a lot of
Speaker 3: money using salt and using artificial killer. You know, yeah something.
Speaker 3: I'm not knocking it. I'm just saying I think there's
Speaker 3: like because I think it's maybe like especially with Athena,
Speaker 3: like it helps you grow, right because it's more dialed in.
Speaker 3: But organics, I think you know, is that like how
Speaker 3: do you get to that next level?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, so I agree, So how long can people
Speaker 1: reuse your product for it? Because you said that it
Speaker 1: sounds like you can.
Speaker 2: I mean, can you reuse the product?
Speaker 1: So if I buy as if I buy, say, I
Speaker 1: take it.
Speaker 3: We're talking about smoke and tomatoes, we talk about dairy
Speaker 3: do okay, because and also can these be used together?
Speaker 2: I guess so well, smoking tomatoes contains dairy do Okay, yep,
Speaker 2: so we put dairy do and everything, so we don't
Speaker 2: need to add to it. But like what I've been
Speaker 2: starting to see, you.
Speaker 1: Want to clarify, I'm talking about the growing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and then growing from what I've seen kind
Speaker 2: of year over year some of the commercial grows that
Speaker 2: I'm working. We're coming up with like a two to
Speaker 2: three year plan where ye're one, you get all new soil,
Speaker 2: all new amendments, and we start from the ground, and
Speaker 2: then year two we look at what's left, what's going
Speaker 2: on in that soil, where can we get it back
Speaker 2: to year one? And then kind of same thing for
Speaker 2: your and then that's more of a company decision whether
Speaker 2: you want to refresh with fresh soil or if you
Speaker 2: want to just keep amending. But theoretically you can amend
Speaker 2: in definitely, but it at some point you have recycled
Speaker 2: all of the soil as it breaks down and gets
Speaker 2: digested by the worms and things. And that's that's another
Speaker 2: cool thing is we don't just have dairy do. We
Speaker 2: have three different kinds of composts. We have the dairy do,
Speaker 2: we have the poultry do, which is the same thing,
Speaker 2: but chicken and worm do. We actually have our own
Speaker 2: vermic composting, which is worm compost.
Speaker 3: So well, I saw that was inside your smoking tomatoes,
Speaker 3: so clearly use these products to make smoke a tomatoes.
Speaker 3: So that's tomatoes. Is the end is the evolution of
Speaker 3: this so the other dairy do? Is there an advantage
Speaker 3: or disadvantage to the different dues?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it can be pun guy over here.
Speaker 1: What are the dews do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say we do try. We do try
Speaker 2: to have target targeted blends, and it depends like for example,
Speaker 2: poultry dew tends to be more nutrient rich than dairy do,
Speaker 2: but you have to be careful with it then, so
Speaker 2: you know, it's always in moderation and it's always a
Speaker 2: balance of what ratios of ingredients are putting in there.
Speaker 2: And we really kind of dialed in smoking tomatoes twenty three.
Speaker 2: But we're always looking to innovate, like compost kicker, that's
Speaker 2: one where we're looking where I thought, you know, why
Speaker 2: don't we try to make it better? And I've got
Speaker 2: a few clients trialing it now and we'll see what
Speaker 2: the summer brings.
Speaker 3: It's cool you do some R and D with clients
Speaker 3: out there that clients are already working with.
Speaker 1: Hey, we got these products. That's R and D.
Speaker 3: Because R and D is such an important thing and
Speaker 3: so it's cool to hear you do it in real
Speaker 3: life situations like industries and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I always you know, I've had some been
Speaker 2: blessed with a lot of people. So shout out to
Speaker 2: Adam's family. Neil and I have been working together on
Speaker 2: kind of like customizing a blend for them, and we're
Speaker 2: going to trial it and see what what goes on
Speaker 2: with that, and then you know if they go from there.
Speaker 2: But overall, we're always looking to make things better and
Speaker 2: see what works better and then get feedback on that
Speaker 2: and work with the customer too as to what they want.
Speaker 1: I love it. What up brands right now are using
Speaker 1: smoking tomatoes?
Speaker 2: Sure, so I can sell you a few. I did
Speaker 2: talk Yeah whoever you're allowed to. Yeah, yeah, So we
Speaker 2: work with a bunch but and as you know, a
Speaker 2: few large biomass producers. But shout out to Sour Flower Chasing.
Speaker 2: The team there uses our soils for for veg and
Speaker 2: our amendments for flowering, and I've worked close with them.
Speaker 2: We brought some. I brought some in for you guys today.
Speaker 3: I saw I can't wait to try. If you're listening now,
Speaker 3: reach out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely go check them out. They're they're taking
Speaker 2: off and they're awesome guys. And it's too Yeah. Adam's
Speaker 2: family has been a favorite of mine for a long time,
Speaker 2: so it's been really cool for me to like to
Speaker 2: be like, I want to work with them, and I
Speaker 2: do now, right, So I work with them on on
Speaker 2: kind of some crazy stuff. They like to do real
Speaker 2: off the wall things and and their products show it,
Speaker 2: like I I've never had things that taste like their stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen them in collabse Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do a lot of collabs. Strange Roots a
Speaker 2: newer company on the West Side. They use all of
Speaker 2: our soils in their blends. Right now, they're actually just
Speaker 2: going to start producing solvent lists, I believe, or at
Speaker 2: least concentrates. So keep your eyes out for them. They're
Speaker 2: really really awesome guys. And was that again, Strange Roots
Speaker 2: Strange Roots?
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I'm not familiar, but I always keep an
Speaker 3: eye on, you know, I love new companies up and coming,
Speaker 3: because especially with the culture so strong here in Michigan,
Speaker 3: it's like you never know where they're rooting, how good
Speaker 3: they are, you never know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I was actually usiting strangers the other day
Speaker 2: and the head grower there, they just had posted a
Speaker 2: bio on their social media and I realized, like, we
Speaker 2: both grew up in the same town and we don't
Speaker 2: see small world. Yeah, yeah, So I'm working with them.
Speaker 1: The industry so small, it is very small wet pass
Speaker 1: back and forth too, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: you with this team, Oh yeah, like you know what
Speaker 1: happens it does.
Speaker 2: I work with Wise guys on their outdoor there. They
Speaker 2: just kind of yeah, they just like updated all their
Speaker 2: graphics and stuff and they just had a really big drop,
Speaker 2: So keep an eye on them. I work with them
Speaker 2: closely on their outdoor growth and uh. And then True
Speaker 2: North is a big one that's that works with us
Speaker 2: for their outdoor and kind of working their way and
Speaker 2: the indoors.
Speaker 3: With their GMO for years and their life resident. That
Speaker 3: was how I found GMO was through True North.
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, their homies, they're good, They're
Speaker 2: actually we're gonna show them the how the sausage is
Speaker 2: just made this week, so it'll be fun.
Speaker 3: Clouds are so powerful the industry and it's cool, especially
Speaker 3: like you said, you're we are especially with us, and
Speaker 3: you're like, we are supporting other brands, you know, in
Speaker 3: this industry. But I mean, obviously more we're just getting
Speaker 3: the name out there and talk about them discussing products.
Speaker 3: You're actually supporting the industry with soil. But it's it's
Speaker 3: interesting where you're organic, You're you're not getting the necessarily
Speaker 3: the shine because I feel like the soil doesn't nessily
Speaker 3: the shine like Athena definitely has that like we've made
Speaker 3: it cool or whatever too, which is good for them.
Speaker 3: You know. It's like the cookies great marketing. It takes marketing.
Speaker 3: It's a skill, you know. But like there's so many
Speaker 3: good soil and organic companies out there, so it's hard
Speaker 3: to get how I mean, have you seen that challenge?
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, a lot of.
Speaker 2: Competition, it is, there is a lot of competition and
Speaker 2: a lot of people are just like this is how
Speaker 2: we've grown, this is how we want to grow.
Speaker 3: So but I think it very much separates how your
Speaker 3: growth is and how like you're you're in your company specifically,
Speaker 3: more competition is so connected to the farm and the
Speaker 3: land throughout years and generations of it, so literally each
Speaker 3: product naturally led into the next product. So it's like
Speaker 3: like and I I've talked to him too, when you
Speaker 3: go to m J biscos, how do you know what
Speaker 3: soil is good?
Speaker 1: When you don't know some.
Speaker 2: Of these brands?
Speaker 1: And I think what it is? Where your roots are?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: No pun intended. I swear to God, I swear to God,
Speaker 1: I really want how many is this? I really wasn't
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be nice, forget it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be nice.
Speaker 3: No, but for real, the company has really has good
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's funny you mentioned marketing and kind of
Speaker 2: getting ancillary brands out there. That's something that I because
Speaker 2: of Just like my position, I feel like I'm like
Speaker 2: a one man super team where I'm I do sales,
Speaker 2: I do I work closely with our marketing person. I
Speaker 2: do you know, wrapping people do go into events kind
Speaker 2: of do it all and I do R and D
Speaker 2: and trying to come up with ideas. But recently I've
Speaker 2: been starting to as we build these relationships working with
Speaker 2: people and working with some of those guys I mentioned, like, hey,
Speaker 2: can we do a merch clob can we support you
Speaker 2: or like a project or things like that, So keep
Speaker 2: your eye out. There could be some really fun giveaways
Speaker 2: and things as we work with them. We're working on
Speaker 2: some cool merch.
Speaker 1: Cool working up people follow you our listeners.
Speaker 2: I don't know. We don't have a main page on
Speaker 2: Instagram yet. Morgan composting, does dairy do? Does I do
Speaker 2: smoking tomatoes? Clay, There's some dots in there, but I'm
Speaker 2: on there. But yeah, you can follow me on social media.
Speaker 2: You can reach out and.
Speaker 1: Has questions and wants to reach out about the product.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Or you can get a lot of growers in the
Speaker 1: chat yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You can caregivers to Metric exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we work with all all grows hairgivers Metric big, small, outdoor, indoor,
Speaker 2: and you can always email me Clay at dairy Do
Speaker 2: two o's dot com.
Speaker 3: The family of brands. You got to like really if
Speaker 3: you like you grow anything like colorados, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, especially cannabis. That's how we connect it. But
Speaker 3: like dairy how big are.
Speaker 1: Your bags strictly homegrown?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They range from like a cube it foot to a
Speaker 2: foot and a half to two feet, but you can
Speaker 2: get bulk one yard super sacks if you know a dealer, Yeah,
Speaker 2: anything like that. And and like you said, we can
Speaker 2: do customs.
Speaker 1: Any authorized dealers.
Speaker 3: You want to shout out that people should check out
Speaker 3: like I just you know, I don't I get I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: Check out the websites. Yeah yeah, And here's where you
Speaker 1: are on the east side by this.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, there's a bunch over here.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, good good.
Speaker 2: Plus I brought you some.
Speaker 3: Do a side by side, would do some r drself there,
Speaker 3: I should say. But so I love you got the
Speaker 3: last question, well one of the last questions, and I
Speaker 3: guess too.
Speaker 1: But let's start with this.
Speaker 3: Anyone you want to shout out from the team specifically
Speaker 3: before we get out here, because honestly, it always takes, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, it always takes you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: effort behind it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, I definitely shout out THEO. He's
Speaker 2: our agronomous and he kind of double checks me and
Speaker 2: and make sure I'm on the right path and if
Speaker 2: I get stuck. He's just a soil plant genius.
Speaker 1: Gotta have one of those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's great. And then I'll definitely shout out Amanda.
Speaker 2: She's our new marketing person and she's been very supportive
Speaker 2: of me and like trying to lead the charge for
Speaker 2: smoking tomatoes and this line. So definitely shout out to those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I mean like it takes. It takes a
Speaker 3: lot of people, you know. So that's why I always
Speaker 3: say I'm gonna take a second. Always shout out the team.
Speaker 2: Right, and you know, shout out my clients because they
Speaker 2: helped me make a living. And I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm not I don't like to say
Speaker 2: I'm a salesman. I'm just here to help people grow
Speaker 2: better product and healthier product and just be more successful.
Speaker 2: That's all my goal is.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love healthy products. I mean the
Speaker 1: organic maybe pretty much Day's question we've asked most like
Speaker 1: every guest, every guest since the beginning, since the day one.
Speaker 1: So we didn't even ask you what would you prefer
Speaker 1: to smoke? We jumped right into the business. Oh well,
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit. We moved past clay real quick.
Speaker 1: That's a good you want to ask this so you
Speaker 1: dabber a weed smoker, Like, what is Clay?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I prefer dabs. I'm definitely a concentrate.
Speaker 1: Guy, which is I gotta asks, do you have a
Speaker 1: preference or you just like all dabs?
Speaker 2: I like all dabs, but I lean more towards resin
Speaker 2: just personally.
Speaker 1: You got a favorite concentrates, right man?
Speaker 2: Couple of them? Uh humble Bee, I'll shout out humbly.
Speaker 2: Humby has been like a good mainstay for me. That's
Speaker 2: how I kind of got introduced to Adams family and
Speaker 2: that whole like arc started for me. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: like Humblebee a lot. I guess in the Rosins like
Speaker 2: seven ten sour Flowers came out with something.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, it looks pretty good. I'm tried after you
Speaker 1: haven't tried it yet.
Speaker 2: Magnus from from the caregiver side.
Speaker 1: So okay, okay, so not going into the question now.
Speaker 1: Now that we got a little bit of information, now
Speaker 1: I can ask funny like I was like, right, you're right,
Speaker 1: because we're like we're getting you. Just wait, we're just
Speaker 1: at the beginning.
Speaker 3: I was like, well no, he he smoke through Clay
Speaker 3: and then like oh yeah, let's jump into the.
Speaker 1: I didn't even get into it. I thought I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you, but I kind of went over
Speaker 1: my head. But so, imagine about to take a dab,
Speaker 1: you open up your container, just got a fresh graham,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, a Ganja Jeanie pops out
Speaker 1: right before you're about to take a dab, right right
Speaker 1: right before you're about to scoop it up, and it
Speaker 1: goes Clay. I'm going at you any any wish What
Speaker 1: would you change in the industry? Oh man, And I
Speaker 1: guess it's specifically on the cannabis side.
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys have it, and you know, I'll
Speaker 2: probably give the answer that a few I've heard a
Speaker 2: few people give, and maybe it's a two part answer.
Speaker 2: It's just like equality with it and transparency and fairness,
Speaker 2: I guess in growing practices and what product transparency so
Speaker 2: and you know, for me, it's more just like, can
Speaker 2: we start adopting the idea of moving more towards organics
Speaker 2: or at least sustainable things that we can use so
Speaker 2: and in the end that will help produce better plants,
Speaker 2: better product. It's just overall, I just would hope for
Speaker 2: the industry that things get cleaner, more transparent more like that.
Speaker 2: I don't it's more better but like healthier for us.
Speaker 2: I guess as much as it can be. It would
Speaker 2: be my answer.
Speaker 1: I like it, Yeah, I mean I like it supports
Speaker 1: and honestly, it's like, you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: use rockwe I don't think rock will even breaks down
Speaker 1: that good. It doesn't biodegrade at all. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: one of the main things a lot of grows use.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to hate on it grows some claw,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's what like, that's the best thing
Speaker 1: about GAMUS. There's so many different mediums you can use,
Speaker 1: and like it's so versatile. You can use cocoa, you
Speaker 1: can use hydro, you can use aeroponics, you can use soil.
Speaker 1: It can be living soil, it can be fucking rock. Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I love working for Morgan's like
Speaker 2: I do it is because we can kind of work.
Speaker 2: We can we can work with any of those things.
Speaker 2: You know. Everybody thinks like, oh, composting, it has to
Speaker 2: be you have to grow in soil, but no, we
Speaker 2: have liquid products that we make on on site, or
Speaker 2: we have granulars that could fit into other programs or
Speaker 2: even just some nutrition wise products. Like my favorite product
Speaker 2: that we have is called Helpful, Like we make our
Speaker 2: own liquid carbons on site, fulbc and cubic acids. So
Speaker 2: our fulva acid is organic and we blend that with
Speaker 2: kelp and it creates this really nice stress relief but
Speaker 2: also just building block essential product. And it and fulbic
Speaker 2: acid axis a non ionic surfactant, so it can I
Speaker 2: always say tank, you know, do a test first, but
Speaker 2: then tank you can tank mix Helpful with or even
Speaker 2: just the fulvic blaster with some of your IPM sprays
Speaker 2: and it can help stick to the plant better, be
Speaker 2: more effective, things like that. So so yeah, there's always something.
Speaker 1: So yeah, bugs they be dying because they wouldn't be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not gonna be happy. But it's just nice
Speaker 2: because anytime you spray a plant.
Speaker 3: I think we kind of hyper focused on dairy doing
Speaker 3: all the other focus. So is there there more like
Speaker 3: you make your own kel we make all these are
Speaker 3: these other things for sales.
Speaker 2: Too, yep. Yeah, we don't make our own call, but
Speaker 2: we make we make own like product. Yeah, we make
Speaker 2: our own products. So so beyond just like the compost
Speaker 2: products make there too many but well I won't say
Speaker 2: too many we have. We have. Our idea is that
Speaker 2: if you have a problem, we can solve it, or
Speaker 2: if you have a desire, I can help.
Speaker 1: Them in Like, yeah, that's a good way. Everyone's got problems.
Speaker 1: If you can solve it, you'll be in business.
Speaker 3: Coming from the farming industry, you know what problems you've
Speaker 3: ran into because you ran into them, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So that's what I'm saying. It makes sense
Speaker 3: that they kind of figured it out because like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: we should use this because it was helpful in this situation,
Speaker 3: you know, makes sense.
Speaker 2: And we're always open to learn from our clients too,
Speaker 2: Like if there's something that's common in the industry that
Speaker 2: maybe we don't have on hand, like we're always open
Speaker 2: to like price check it, or get it in for you,
Speaker 2: or even get it in as something we can keep
Speaker 2: in stock because it's something that the industry uses a lot.
Speaker 1: How much does a retail that cost.
Speaker 2: I want to say it's around twenty dollars for a
Speaker 2: foot and a half. Off the top of my head,
Speaker 2: it's somewhere in that range.
Speaker 1: That's as you'll see it. I'm curious see what you
Speaker 1: think too.
Speaker 3: I mean obviously you got try it.
Speaker 1: Now do what coup you do a little sience, have
Speaker 1: fun with it.
Speaker 2: What do you think of it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be I haven't I haven't done it side
Speaker 1: by side in a minute since I did, since I
Speaker 1: did it years ago. Yeah for sure, now now living aving,
Speaker 1: so it'll be fun. No, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Do you got anything else you want to say that
Speaker 3: we didn't cover because I want to make sure we
Speaker 3: talked a lot dairy do lost moatoes?
Speaker 1: Talk about a large project. What's your website?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 1: Everyone can check your products out dare show dairy.
Speaker 2: Dairyde dot com or Smokingtomatoes dot com Okay, yeah, or
Speaker 2: you can reach out to me it's Oaking tomatoes Clay
Speaker 2: on Instagram or Clay at dairy do Really, just I
Speaker 2: encourage people to just have me out see what's there.
Speaker 2: I always stand behind our products. I'm very confident and people,
Speaker 2: once they try it, I think they'll they'll be very
Speaker 2: very happy with it.
Speaker 1: That's good to hear.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just really, if you're looking for anything or
Speaker 2: trying to be more economic in your company, like, uh,
Speaker 2: give me a ring, I'll see what I can do
Speaker 2: try to help you be more economic and be more profitable.
Speaker 1: Remember, it doesn't just have to be soil. It can
Speaker 1: be any type of medium, which is mind blowing to
Speaker 1: me because like usually sometimes it's not like that. I
Speaker 1: feel like I want to put some stuff, but an
Speaker 1: organic in like a solve or something, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right, Yeah, And like I said, we do our
Speaker 2: we do liquids, so you know, and we have options
Speaker 2: for organic and salt based, we do granulars same thing.
Speaker 3: It's there for everybody. It sounds like you have a
Speaker 3: really like what what can we help you with type
Speaker 3: of attitude?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well problem, Yeah, we solve it, like nobody hates that.
Speaker 1: All right, well that's how can we help you? So yeah,
Speaker 1: reach out, reach out to Clay.
Speaker 3: Really appreciate having you on.
Speaker 1: This was an insightful episode. It was cool. Well learn
Speaker 1: about you. Thanks for having me all the composting the product.
Speaker 1: You'll be hearing about it because we'll be talking about it.
Speaker 1: I'll be testing it. I do want to give a
Speaker 1: shout out to our our partners before we jump off.
Speaker 1: But before I do that, Clay again, what was your idea?
Speaker 3: Handle again?
Speaker 1: One more time?
Speaker 2: Smoking tomatoes?
Speaker 1: Clay? All right, there we go. So if you have
Speaker 1: any questions. Reach out to Clay, especially because you know
Speaker 1: it's gonna be we're gonna be growing growing outdoors here soon.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're doing vegetables, cannabis, you want to try indoors.
Speaker 1: Reach out to Clay over here with smoking tomatoes. Man,
Speaker 1: there we do. But yeah, give a shout out to
Speaker 1: the partners. Thank you all make this possible. Shout out
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, appreciate you, Clay. I mean, it's been a
Speaker 3: great episode. Fun to talk about something like and so
Speaker 3: and definitely into soil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was. I'm you really got in the down.
Speaker 3: In the the deep in the dirt. Anyway, won't last
Speaker 3: fun at it, right, I know you guys, Like all right,
Speaker 3: I just had an ending robes ONLI morning, Like all right,
Speaker 3: as always, that's all folks.
Speaker 1: We're going to advocate, educate, and inspire till next time, y'all. Peace.
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