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Speaker 2: We talked about this Burlington story and I'm going to
Speaker 2: move on and only because we did promote that. We
Speaker 2: want to talk about really and kind of an amazing story,
Speaker 2: and that is that the one of the two US
Speaker 2: senators from Maryland, Senator Chris van Holland, and there are
Speaker 2: a lot of people who listened in Maryland, he went
Speaker 2: to Al Salvador in an effort to free this gentleman
Speaker 2: named Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia. He's been held in Al
Speaker 2: Salvador for about a month. He was flown there along
Speaker 2: with many of the Venzuelan members of Trente de Agua.
Speaker 2: He allegedly is a member of MS thirteen, which is
Speaker 2: a pretty rough group of people, and his family claims,
Speaker 2: oh no, he's not a member. And again I think
Speaker 2: the Trump administration should do a better job and lay
Speaker 2: it out on why anyone is being picked up off
Speaker 2: the streets. You know, if there is compelling evidence, get
Speaker 2: it out there. So Van Holland went, and there was
Speaker 2: there was a brutal murder in Maryland. Ironically that also
Speaker 2: involved someone who is here illegally. The fellow in El
Speaker 2: Salvador had nothing to do with that murder. And there
Speaker 2: was a mom, Rachel Moren, brutally murdered by another illegal
Speaker 2: immigrant from El Salvador, unrelated, unrelated, but because of the
Speaker 2: fact that it's the same state Ms Moran's, it was
Speaker 2: I think was a mom of five kids and she
Speaker 2: was murdered in twenty twenty three. A separate individual has
Speaker 2: been convicted for her murder. And as a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: her mother was at the White House the other day
Speaker 2: and she's very upset that the Senator did not express
Speaker 2: as much concern about her daughter's murder. And in this
Speaker 2: article that I have in front of me about what
Speaker 2: this is, an article actually published today about Christopher Holland's
Speaker 2: trip to L Salvador. Mister van Holland acknowledged miss Moran's
Speaker 2: tragic death and reaffirmed his commitment to combating gang violence.
Speaker 2: But he said but which he said was a real
Speaker 2: point of agreement with Salvador and officials during his meetings
Speaker 2: this week. But he rejected the equivalents implied by Trump
Speaker 2: officials now quoting Van Holland. My argument here all along
Speaker 2: is that is that he just requires due process mister
Speaker 2: van Holland said, mister a Brago Garcia, my argument is
Speaker 2: not that I claim to know all the facts here.
Speaker 2: My whole argument is we have a court with the
Speaker 2: whole purpose of having a hearing was for people to
Speaker 2: present their evidence. We had a situation where the water
Speaker 2: was overwhelmed, and we have millions of people who are
Speaker 2: here illegally, A percentage of from are criminals. Now there
Speaker 2: are a lot who are here who are not criminals,
Speaker 2: but their status here. If they did not present themselves
Speaker 2: at a port of entry, they're illegal. But the system
Speaker 2: is just so overwhelmed it's impossible to give twenty million
Speaker 2: people due process through immigration hearings. And I think what
Speaker 2: the mistake the Trump administration is making is that they
Speaker 2: are sweeping with a broadbrush, and if they're going to
Speaker 2: pick people up and deport them, have the record at hand.
Speaker 2: You may not be able to have a court hearing
Speaker 2: for every one of these individuals, but have the information available.
Speaker 2: So Vian Holland was back today, held a news conference
Speaker 2: upon his arrival, and this is a couple of sound bites.
Speaker 2: This is cut number five. Please rob if you play.
Speaker 2: This is Maryland Senator Chris Finn Hall and talking about
Speaker 2: being in contact with the Vice President of Al Salvador.
Speaker 3: In addition to doing a having a variety of discussions
Speaker 3: on bilateral issues between the United States and Al Salvador.
Speaker 4: I had two main goals.
Speaker 3: One was to urge the government of Al Salvador not
Speaker 3: to be complicit in the illegal abduction and detention of
Speaker 3: mister Albrego Garcia and to release them. I made that
Speaker 3: request directly to the Vice President of Al Salvador. The
Speaker 3: president was out of country at the time, and I
Speaker 3: previously reported on that conversation. My principal mission was to
Speaker 3: meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia. I told his wife, Jennifer
Speaker 3: and his family that I would do everything in my
Speaker 3: power to make that happen.
Speaker 2: And apparently he went to the prison, he was denied.
Speaker 2: This is cut number eight. And then we'll get to
Speaker 2: some phone calls. He was in the prison, was denied, okay,
Speaker 2: But then Garcia showed up at a hotel and I
Speaker 2: guess Garcia has been released from the horrific prison or
Speaker 2: the tough prison, but is still being held in El Salvador.
Speaker 2: This is cut number eight.
Speaker 3: I was accompanied by a lawyer for kill Mar's wife Jennifer,
Speaker 3: and mother Cecilia Chris Newsom. About three kilometers outside of
Speaker 3: Sea Cotton, we were pulled over by soldiers.
Speaker 4: You could see the rest of the traffic was allowed
Speaker 4: to go by.
Speaker 3: We were pulled over by soldiers and told that.
Speaker 4: We were not allowed to proceed any farther.
Speaker 3: When I asked why, was told that they had orders
Speaker 3: not to allow us to go any further. When I
Speaker 3: asked them if they knew anything about the condition of
Speaker 3: mister Abrego Garcia, they said no. And so much later
Speaker 3: in the afternoon, it was actually getting ready to catch
Speaker 3: a plane out of send Salvador back here later yesterday evening,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, I got word that I
Speaker 3: would be allowed to meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia, and
Speaker 3: they brought him to the hotel where I was staying.
Speaker 3: And after that meeting, as I said, I called his
Speaker 3: wife Jennifer to report on some of the news of
Speaker 3: that meeting.
Speaker 4: And now I'm going to report to all of you
Speaker 4: about our discussion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he found out that Garcia has been moved
Speaker 2: to a better prison. But well, let's final SoundBite of
Speaker 2: Senator Van Holland cut number eleven rum He.
Speaker 3: Told me, and this was yesterday. That eight days ago,
Speaker 3: so I guess nine days ago from today. He was
Speaker 3: moved to another detention center in Santa Ana where the
Speaker 3: conditions are better, but he said despite the better conditions,
Speaker 3: he still has no access to any news from the
Speaker 3: outside world and no ability to communicate with anybody in
Speaker 3: the outside world. His conversation with me was the first
Speaker 3: communication he'd had with anybody outside a prison since he
Speaker 3: was abducted. He said he felt very sad about being
Speaker 3: in a prison because he had not committed any crimes.
Speaker 4: When I asked him what was the one thing he
Speaker 4: would ask for in addition to.
Speaker 3: His freedom, he said he wanted to talk to his wife.
Speaker 4: Gentlemen, I told him I would work very hard to
Speaker 4: make that happen.
Speaker 2: Well, now that's some constituent service by Senator Vann Hall.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you and you know, he hasn't committed
Speaker 2: a crime. But he came here illegally, ladies and gentlemen, okay,
Speaker 2: came here illegally along with millions of others, and now
Speaker 2: it is up to us to try to get the
Speaker 2: problem solved. It's as simple as that. I would love
Speaker 2: to be able to have a full two week trial
Speaker 2: due process for every of the twenty million people here illegally. Yes,
Speaker 2: we can't do that. I would also love to count
Speaker 2: the number of sand, the numbers of grains of sand
Speaker 2: on every beach in the world, and be able to
Speaker 2: report back to you the numbers of the number of
Speaker 2: grains of sand. We are overwhelmed. We're overwhelmed. I don't
Speaker 2: know what the information is. If the information on this
Speaker 2: guy is not substantial, bring him back, have a hearing
Speaker 2: on his illegal status, and deal with it. But I
Speaker 2: don't think this guy's coming back to live with his
Speaker 2: family now. Maybe his family would want to join him
Speaker 2: in El Salvador. They you know, family bonds are important.
Speaker 2: I'd love to know what you think. Wouldn't you love
Speaker 2: to have senators? Have any of you called your senator's office?
Speaker 2: Do they do? They respond to your concerns as as quickly.
Speaker 2: Senator Van Hollins a hell of a senator. I guess
Speaker 2: that if you're illegal and you live in Maryland and
Speaker 2: they you get thrown out of the country, he's going
Speaker 2: to show up at your at your prison. Try to
Speaker 2: get in good for him, you know, try to take
Speaker 2: a ride out to a prison in Massachusetts, you know,
Speaker 2: unannounced and say you want to get in and see
Speaker 2: what happens. Doesn't work that way. Back on Nightside, we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about this only for about fourteen minutes,
Speaker 2: so if you want to get in real quickly six one, seven, two,
Speaker 2: five thirty or six months, seven nine, three, ten thirty,
Speaker 2: we will go to the twentieth hour. Right after the
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock news, we'll be right back on Nightside. This
Speaker 2: is an opportunity. We haven't talked about this up until now.
Speaker 2: This is an opportunity for you to weigh in, and
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Speaker 2: Maybe one thing that could be done would be to
Speaker 2: send an immigration judge down to El Salvador or have
Speaker 2: a zoom trial. Have a zoom opportunity for this guy
Speaker 2: to present whatever at evidence and have the government present
Speaker 2: their evidence and have the immigration judge make a ruling
Speaker 2: on it. That's one possibility. Let's see what Tom and
Speaker 2: West Virginia has to say. Tom, appreciate your patience sorry,
Speaker 2: I had to reset this whole issue, but we had
Speaker 2: decided we were going to do a little bit of
Speaker 2: this tonight.
Speaker 5: Welcome, Okay, I'll get to my points quickly. Number one, Remember,
Speaker 5: a progressive is a totalitarian, a closet and totalitarian. Now
Speaker 5: it turns out it turns out Saint Abrio Garcia his
Speaker 5: wife filed a restraining order on him for assault. Yes,
Speaker 5: it also turns out he was and CNN won't tell
Speaker 5: you that. Now. He was also pulled over for whatever
Speaker 5: reason and had eight people in a vehicle, all of
Speaker 5: them illegals that gave or undocumented, that gave the same
Speaker 5: address as his address. So I'm not sure if that
Speaker 5: falls under human trafficking. Two judges determined he had gang activity,
Speaker 5: and one of the judges said he cannot be deported
Speaker 5: back to El Salvador because rival gangs will do him
Speaker 5: bodily harm or kill him. So here's the situation. El
Speaker 5: Salvador just needs to deport him to say Mexico or
Speaker 5: Venezuela or another country, and the problem is solved because
Speaker 5: Donald Trump was found guilty by a judge in New
Speaker 5: York of falsifying real estate records. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 5: and his lawyers decided to go with a judge's decision
Speaker 5: who found them guilty in a court of law for
Speaker 5: falsifying values of his real estate.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think it was a little more complicated
Speaker 2: that it was a jury that found him guilty jury
Speaker 2: of New Yorkers.
Speaker 5: No, no, damn, damn. There was one judge. There was
Speaker 5: one judge in New York that I believe his name
Speaker 5: was air Gone or something to that.
Speaker 2: Yes, they were two trials. That was a civil that
Speaker 2: was a civil case as opposed to to the other case.
Speaker 2: But go ahead. Yeah, he's had a lot of court
Speaker 2: activity in New York.
Speaker 5: You're right, go ahead, I understand that. But the point
Speaker 5: was there was adjudication, there was a judicial decision. This
Speaker 5: guy is this this undocumented immigrant who's been here in
Speaker 5: America since twenty eleven. He had two court appearances where
Speaker 5: the judges found that he had gang activity. So I
Speaker 5: don't you know, Democrats, they're going to fall down on
Speaker 5: their sword, uh, defending illegal aliens. And what is also
Speaker 5: very sad was that mother whose daughter was brutally murdered
Speaker 5: by undocumented immigrants. And let me be perfectly clear, not
Speaker 5: nobody has ever said, all undocumented immigrants are gang members
Speaker 5: and criminals. But there is a percentage there that if
Speaker 5: they had not been in this country, many people would
Speaker 5: still be alive in this country. And I don't fall
Speaker 5: into the National Public Radio narrative of that. Well, undocumented
Speaker 5: immigrants percentage wise commit less crimes than native born people.
Speaker 5: Number one, I don't know where they pulled that study out.
Speaker 5: Number two, if there were not undocumented immigrants in this country,
Speaker 5: there would be a lot of people alive today like Lincoln.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I don't mean to interrupt, but
Speaker 2: I need to tell you that you couldn't be more correct.
Speaker 2: First of all, we don't know how many undocumented illegal
Speaker 2: immigrants are in this country. We do know specific crimes
Speaker 2: where a woman is killed in San Francisco, where a
Speaker 2: police officer is killed in Mesa, Arizona, where a mother
Speaker 2: of five is murdered in Maryland. And by the way,
Speaker 2: that woman who spoke and is very upset with Van Hollen,
Speaker 2: a Maryland resident as missus Moore and the mom of
Speaker 2: Rachel Moore and the woman who was murdered. My position
Speaker 2: all along is we have enough rapists, We have enough
Speaker 2: murderers in this country. We do not need to import
Speaker 2: murderers and rapists, and or to allow people to stay
Speaker 2: in this country who are murderers and rapists. I think
Speaker 2: they should do their times here, their time here, and
Speaker 2: then they should be deported. My problem, and this is
Speaker 2: the only point you and I might disagree on, My problem,
Speaker 2: is that the Trump administration, in their enthusiasm to get
Speaker 2: rid of every illegal in this country, they need to
Speaker 2: be smarter and they need to look at these situations
Speaker 2: and say, Okay, they admitted that this guy was deported.
Speaker 2: There was a mistake in him being put on that plane,
Speaker 2: but they should have me well, wherever they wanted to Mexico,
Speaker 2: wherever they wanted. I don't know that Mexico was the
Speaker 2: place to go because I don't know what his nexus is,
Speaker 2: what his connection is with Mexico. The point of trying
Speaker 2: to make is and I'll make it regarding the Turkish
Speaker 2: woman from Tufts the optics. What the Trump administration has
Speaker 2: to understand is that the media is going to look
Speaker 2: very closely at what they did. Everything they do, they're
Speaker 2: going to look at it more closely than what Joe
Speaker 2: Biden did or did not do. You know that, and
Speaker 2: I know that, and therefore their optics have to be perfect.
Speaker 2: I've seen no information maybe you have on the Turkish student,
Speaker 2: a doctoral student at TOUGHTS, other than the fact that
Speaker 2: she apparently co authored a piece in the student newspaper
Speaker 2: at TOUGHTS. I read the piece in the student newspaper.
Speaker 2: I disagreed with it, but it wasn't as if she
Speaker 2: was She said nothing, in my opinion in that piece,
Speaker 2: which was inflammatory. Meaning if she had written in that
Speaker 2: piece death to all Jewish students, that's a whole different story.
Speaker 2: She expressed the point of view that I strongly disagree with,
Speaker 2: which was a pro Hama's point of view. But if
Speaker 2: that's the best that they got on her, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of other more dangerous people that they should be
Speaker 2: deporting before they get to her, is what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say, Tom, that's all sure.
Speaker 5: And by the way, you know that I have a
Speaker 5: fiance from the Philippines that had to go through a
Speaker 5: homeland security background check, and I'm looking at the national
Speaker 5: security related questions and I'll just get it briefly. Have
Speaker 5: you ever been a member of assisted or participated in
Speaker 5: the military unit, paramilitary unit, rebel group, guerrilla group, militia group,
Speaker 5: insurgent organization, or any other armed group. If you show
Speaker 5: support for HAMAS and you were a Ford and student,
Speaker 5: you've shown support for that. Guess what, your student visa
Speaker 5: will not be accepted. And if you lie on these
Speaker 5: applications for immigration, you're a lawyer, you know what happens
Speaker 5: if they find out if you lied me?
Speaker 2: But would have say if that's true, Tom, All I'm
Speaker 2: saying is, if that's true, the lawyers in the Trumpet
Speaker 2: min is and I don't think that Trump listens to
Speaker 2: his lawyers. The lawyers and the Trump administration should have said, look,
Speaker 2: if we're going to get someone, let's get him fair
Speaker 2: and yeah, get the worst of the worst, get the
Speaker 2: rotten apples out of the the pile first. Then we'll
Speaker 2: get the apples that aren't perfect or whatever. But have
Speaker 2: you know and if if, if the argument is the
Speaker 2: person came here illegally, and they've been here illegally and
Speaker 2: and they're a good citizen, uh and they have never
Speaker 2: committed a crime, we still are going to put them
Speaker 2: out because they came here illegally. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that, but put them all out. But again,
Speaker 2: have the have the documentation. Tom. I hate to do
Speaker 2: this to you. You did get a little extra time.
Speaker 2: There's some other folks who are calling, but you're always
Speaker 2: an interesting caller and I appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Dan, Bye bye, have.
Speaker 2: Great weekend, Happy Eastern. All right, we are done with
Speaker 2: that topic and we are going to the eleven, and
Speaker 2: the eleven will be what grinds your gears? If you've
Speaker 2: already called this week, you have a hall pass. You
Speaker 2: can call again. Uh, what grinds your gears? Six months, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty six months seven nine, three, one ten thirty
Speaker 2: back after this, I apologize Robbie went on too long.
Speaker 2: Thanks