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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w B

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about this Burlington story and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>move on and only because we did promote that. We

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about really and kind of an amazing story,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is that the one of the two US

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<v Speaker 2>senators from Maryland, Senator Chris van Holland, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who listened in Maryland, he went

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<v Speaker 2>to Al Salvador in an effort to free this gentleman

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<v Speaker 2>named Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia. He's been held in Al

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<v Speaker 2>Salvador for about a month. He was flown there along

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<v Speaker 2>with many of the Venzuelan members of Trente de Agua.

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<v Speaker 2>He allegedly is a member of MS thirteen, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty rough group of people, and his family claims,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, he's not a member. And again I think

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration should do a better job and lay

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<v Speaker 2>it out on why anyone is being picked up off

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<v Speaker 2>the streets. You know, if there is compelling evidence, get

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<v Speaker 2>it out there. So Van Holland went, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>there was a brutal murder in Maryland. Ironically that also

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<v Speaker 2>involved someone who is here illegally. The fellow in El

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<v Speaker 2>Salvador had nothing to do with that murder. And there

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<v Speaker 2>was a mom, Rachel Moren, brutally murdered by another illegal

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<v Speaker 2>immigrant from El Salvador, unrelated, unrelated, but because of the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that it's the same state Ms Moran's, it was

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<v Speaker 2>I think was a mom of five kids and she

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<v Speaker 2>was murdered in twenty twenty three. A separate individual has

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<v Speaker 2>been convicted for her murder. And as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>her mother was at the White House the other day

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<v Speaker 2>and she's very upset that the Senator did not express

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<v Speaker 2>as much concern about her daughter's murder. And in this

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<v Speaker 2>article that I have in front of me about what

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<v Speaker 2>this is, an article actually published today about Christopher Holland's

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<v Speaker 2>trip to L Salvador. Mister van Holland acknowledged miss Moran's

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<v Speaker 2>tragic death and reaffirmed his commitment to combating gang violence.

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<v Speaker 2>But he said but which he said was a real

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<v Speaker 2>point of agreement with Salvador and officials during his meetings

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<v Speaker 2>this week. But he rejected the equivalents implied by Trump

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<v Speaker 2>officials now quoting Van Holland. My argument here all along

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<v Speaker 2>is that is that he just requires due process mister

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<v Speaker 2>van Holland said, mister a Brago Garcia, my argument is

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<v Speaker 2>not that I claim to know all the facts here.

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<v Speaker 2>My whole argument is we have a court with the

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<v Speaker 2>whole purpose of having a hearing was for people to

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<v Speaker 2>present their evidence. We had a situation where the water

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<v Speaker 2>was overwhelmed, and we have millions of people who are

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<v Speaker 2>here illegally, A percentage of from are criminals. Now there

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot who are here who are not criminals,

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<v Speaker 2>but their status here. If they did not present themselves

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<v Speaker 2>at a port of entry, they're illegal. But the system

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<v Speaker 2>is just so overwhelmed it's impossible to give twenty million

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<v Speaker 2>people due process through immigration hearings. And I think what

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<v Speaker 2>the mistake the Trump administration is making is that they

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<v Speaker 2>are sweeping with a broadbrush, and if they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>pick people up and deport them, have the record at hand.

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<v Speaker 2>You may not be able to have a court hearing

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<v Speaker 2>for every one of these individuals, but have the information available.

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<v Speaker 2>So Vian Holland was back today, held a news conference

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<v Speaker 2>upon his arrival, and this is a couple of sound bites.

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<v Speaker 2>This is cut number five. Please rob if you play.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Maryland Senator Chris Finn Hall and talking about

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<v Speaker 2>being in contact with the Vice President of Al Salvador.

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<v Speaker 3>In addition to doing a having a variety of discussions

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<v Speaker 3>on bilateral issues between the United States and Al Salvador.

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<v Speaker 4>I had two main goals.

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<v Speaker 3>One was to urge the government of Al Salvador not

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<v Speaker 3>to be complicit in the illegal abduction and detention of

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<v Speaker 3>mister Albrego Garcia and to release them. I made that

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<v Speaker 3>request directly to the Vice President of Al Salvador. The

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<v Speaker 3>president was out of country at the time, and I

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<v Speaker 3>previously reported on that conversation. My principal mission was to

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<v Speaker 3>meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia. I told his wife, Jennifer

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<v Speaker 3>and his family that I would do everything in my

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<v Speaker 3>power to make that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And apparently he went to the prison, he was denied.

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<v Speaker 2>This is cut number eight. And then we'll get to

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<v Speaker 2>some phone calls. He was in the prison, was denied, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>But then Garcia showed up at a hotel and I

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<v Speaker 2>guess Garcia has been released from the horrific prison or

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<v Speaker 2>the tough prison, but is still being held in El Salvador.

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<v Speaker 2>This is cut number eight.

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<v Speaker 3>I was accompanied by a lawyer for kill Mar's wife Jennifer,

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<v Speaker 3>and mother Cecilia Chris Newsom. About three kilometers outside of

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<v Speaker 3>Sea Cotton, we were pulled over by soldiers.

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<v Speaker 4>You could see the rest of the traffic was allowed

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<v Speaker 3>We were pulled over by soldiers and told that.

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<v Speaker 4>We were not allowed to proceed any farther.

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<v Speaker 3>When I asked why, was told that they had orders

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<v Speaker 3>not to allow us to go any further. When I

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<v Speaker 3>asked them if they knew anything about the condition of

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<v Speaker 3>mister Abrego Garcia, they said no. And so much later

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<v Speaker 3>in the afternoon, it was actually getting ready to catch

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<v Speaker 3>a plane out of send Salvador back here later yesterday evening,

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<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden, I got word that I

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<v Speaker 3>would be allowed to meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia, and

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<v Speaker 3>they brought him to the hotel where I was staying.

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<v Speaker 3>And after that meeting, as I said, I called his

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<v Speaker 3>wife Jennifer to report on some of the news of

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<v Speaker 3>that meeting.

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<v Speaker 4>And now I'm going to report to all of you

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<v Speaker 4>about our discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he found out that Garcia has been moved

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<v Speaker 2>to a better prison. But well, let's final SoundBite of

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Van Holland cut number eleven rum He.

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<v Speaker 3>Told me, and this was yesterday. That eight days ago,

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<v Speaker 3>so I guess nine days ago from today. He was

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<v Speaker 3>moved to another detention center in Santa Ana where the

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<v Speaker 3>conditions are better, but he said despite the better conditions,

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<v Speaker 3>he still has no access to any news from the

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<v Speaker 3>outside world and no ability to communicate with anybody in

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<v Speaker 3>the outside world. His conversation with me was the first

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<v Speaker 3>communication he'd had with anybody outside a prison since he

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<v Speaker 3>was abducted. He said he felt very sad about being

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<v Speaker 3>in a prison because he had not committed any crimes.

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<v Speaker 4>When I asked him what was the one thing he

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<v Speaker 4>would ask for in addition to.

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<v Speaker 3>His freedom, he said he wanted to talk to his wife.

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<v Speaker 4>Gentlemen, I told him I would work very hard to

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<v Speaker 4>make that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now that's some constituent service by Senator Vann Hall.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you and you know, he hasn't committed

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<v Speaker 2>a crime. But he came here illegally, ladies and gentlemen, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>came here illegally along with millions of others, and now

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<v Speaker 2>it is up to us to try to get the

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<v Speaker 2>problem solved. It's as simple as that. I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to have a full two week trial

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<v Speaker 2>due process for every of the twenty million people here illegally. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't do that. I would also love to count

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<v Speaker 2>the number of sand, the numbers of grains of sand

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<v Speaker 2>on every beach in the world, and be able to

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<v Speaker 2>report back to you the numbers of the number of

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<v Speaker 2>grains of sand. We are overwhelmed. We're overwhelmed. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what the information is. If the information on this

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<v Speaker 2>guy is not substantial, bring him back, have a hearing

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<v Speaker 2>on his illegal status, and deal with it. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think this guy's coming back to live with his

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<v Speaker 2>family now. Maybe his family would want to join him

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<v Speaker 2>in El Salvador. They you know, family bonds are important.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to know what you think. Wouldn't you love

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<v Speaker 2>to have senators? Have any of you called your senator's office?

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<v Speaker 2>Do they do? They respond to your concerns as as quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Van Hollins a hell of a senator. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that if you're illegal and you live in Maryland and

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<v Speaker 2>they you get thrown out of the country, he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to show up at your at your prison. Try to

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<v Speaker 2>get in good for him, you know, try to take

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<v Speaker 2>a ride out to a prison in Massachusetts, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>unannounced and say you want to get in and see

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<v Speaker 2>what happens. Doesn't work that way. Back on Nightside, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about this only for about fourteen minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>so if you want to get in real quickly six one, seven, two,

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<v Speaker 2>five thirty or six months, seven nine, three, ten thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>we will go to the twentieth hour. Right after the

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<v Speaker 2>eleven o'clock news, we'll be right back on Nightside. This

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<v Speaker 2>is an opportunity. We haven't talked about this up until now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an opportunity for you to weigh in, and

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<v Speaker 2>remember everyone has a hall pass for the what grind

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<v Speaker 2>your gears the twentieth hour, We'll be back on nightside

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<v Speaker 2>after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Bzy Boston's

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe one thing that could be done would be to

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<v Speaker 2>send an immigration judge down to El Salvador or have

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<v Speaker 2>a zoom trial. Have a zoom opportunity for this guy

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<v Speaker 2>to present whatever at evidence and have the government present

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<v Speaker 2>their evidence and have the immigration judge make a ruling

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<v Speaker 2>on it. That's one possibility. Let's see what Tom and

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<v Speaker 2>West Virginia has to say. Tom, appreciate your patience sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I had to reset this whole issue, but we had

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<v Speaker 2>decided we were going to do a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>this tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome, Okay, I'll get to my points quickly. Number one, Remember,

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<v Speaker 5>a progressive is a totalitarian, a closet and totalitarian. Now

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<v Speaker 5>it turns out it turns out Saint Abrio Garcia his

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<v Speaker 5>wife filed a restraining order on him for assault. Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>it also turns out he was and CNN won't tell

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<v Speaker 5>you that. Now. He was also pulled over for whatever

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<v Speaker 5>reason and had eight people in a vehicle, all of

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<v Speaker 5>them illegals that gave or undocumented, that gave the same

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<v Speaker 5>address as his address. So I'm not sure if that

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<v Speaker 5>falls under human trafficking. Two judges determined he had gang activity,

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<v Speaker 5>and one of the judges said he cannot be deported

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<v Speaker 5>back to El Salvador because rival gangs will do him

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<v Speaker 5>bodily harm or kill him. So here's the situation. El

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<v Speaker 5>Salvador just needs to deport him to say Mexico or

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<v Speaker 5>Venezuela or another country, and the problem is solved because

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump was found guilty by a judge in New

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<v Speaker 5>York of falsifying real estate records. If I'm not mistaken,

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<v Speaker 5>and his lawyers decided to go with a judge's decision

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<v Speaker 5>who found them guilty in a court of law for

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<v Speaker 5>falsifying values of his real estate.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I think it was a little more complicated

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<v Speaker 2>that it was a jury that found him guilty jury

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<v Speaker 2>of New Yorkers.

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, damn, damn. There was one judge. There was

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<v Speaker 5>one judge in New York that I believe his name

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<v Speaker 5>was air Gone or something to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they were two trials. That was a civil that

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<v Speaker 2>was a civil case as opposed to to the other case.

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<v Speaker 2>But go ahead. Yeah, he's had a lot of court

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<v Speaker 2>activity in New York.

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<v Speaker 5>You're right, go ahead, I understand that. But the point

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<v Speaker 5>was there was adjudication, there was a judicial decision. This

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<v Speaker 5>guy is this this undocumented immigrant who's been here in

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<v Speaker 5>America since twenty eleven. He had two court appearances where

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<v Speaker 5>the judges found that he had gang activity. So I

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<v Speaker 5>don't you know, Democrats, they're going to fall down on

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<v Speaker 5>their sword, uh, defending illegal aliens. And what is also

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<v Speaker 5>very sad was that mother whose daughter was brutally murdered

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<v Speaker 5>by undocumented immigrants. And let me be perfectly clear, not

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<v Speaker 5>nobody has ever said, all undocumented immigrants are gang members

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<v Speaker 5>and criminals. But there is a percentage there that if

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<v Speaker 5>they had not been in this country, many people would

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<v Speaker 5>still be alive in this country. And I don't fall

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<v Speaker 5>into the National Public Radio narrative of that. Well, undocumented

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<v Speaker 5>immigrants percentage wise commit less crimes than native born people.

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<v Speaker 5>Number one, I don't know where they pulled that study out.

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<v Speaker 5>Number two, if there were not undocumented immigrants in this country,

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<v Speaker 5>there would be a lot of people alive today like Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I don't mean to interrupt, but

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<v Speaker 2>I need to tell you that you couldn't be more correct.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, we don't know how many undocumented illegal

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<v Speaker 2>immigrants are in this country. We do know specific crimes

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<v Speaker 2>where a woman is killed in San Francisco, where a

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<v Speaker 2>police officer is killed in Mesa, Arizona, where a mother

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<v Speaker 2>of five is murdered in Maryland. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>that woman who spoke and is very upset with Van Hollen,

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<v Speaker 2>a Maryland resident as missus Moore and the mom of

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel Moore and the woman who was murdered. My position

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<v Speaker 2>all along is we have enough rapists, We have enough

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<v Speaker 2>murderers in this country. We do not need to import

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<v Speaker 2>murderers and rapists, and or to allow people to stay

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<v Speaker 2>in this country who are murderers and rapists. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they should do their times here, their time here, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they should be deported. My problem, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>the only point you and I might disagree on, My problem,

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<v Speaker 2>is that the Trump administration, in their enthusiasm to get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of every illegal in this country, they need to

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<v Speaker 2>be smarter and they need to look at these situations

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<v Speaker 2>and say, Okay, they admitted that this guy was deported.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a mistake in him being put on that plane,

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<v Speaker 2>but they should have me well, wherever they wanted to Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>wherever they wanted. I don't know that Mexico was the

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<v Speaker 2>place to go because I don't know what his nexus is,

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<v Speaker 2>what his connection is with Mexico. The point of trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make is and I'll make it regarding the Turkish

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<v Speaker 2>woman from Tufts the optics. What the Trump administration has

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<v Speaker 2>to understand is that the media is going to look

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<v Speaker 2>very closely at what they did. Everything they do, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to look at it more closely than what Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Biden did or did not do. You know that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that, and therefore their optics have to be perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen no information maybe you have on the Turkish student,

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<v Speaker 2>a doctoral student at TOUGHTS, other than the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>she apparently co authored a piece in the student newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>at TOUGHTS. I read the piece in the student newspaper.

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<v Speaker 2>I disagreed with it, but it wasn't as if she

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<v Speaker 2>was She said nothing, in my opinion in that piece,

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<v Speaker 2>which was inflammatory. Meaning if she had written in that

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<v Speaker 2>piece death to all Jewish students, that's a whole different story.

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<v Speaker 2>She expressed the point of view that I strongly disagree with,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a pro Hama's point of view. But if

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<v Speaker 2>that's the best that they got on her, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of other more dangerous people that they should be

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<v Speaker 2>deporting before they get to her, is what I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to say, Tom, that's all sure.

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<v Speaker 5>And by the way, you know that I have a

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<v Speaker 5>fiance from the Philippines that had to go through a

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<v Speaker 5>homeland security background check, and I'm looking at the national

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<v Speaker 5>security related questions and I'll just get it briefly. Have

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<v Speaker 5>you ever been a member of assisted or participated in

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<v Speaker 5>the military unit, paramilitary unit, rebel group, guerrilla group, militia group,

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<v Speaker 5>insurgent organization, or any other armed group. If you show

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<v Speaker 5>support for HAMAS and you were a Ford and student,

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<v Speaker 5>you've shown support for that. Guess what, your student visa

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<v Speaker 5>will not be accepted. And if you lie on these

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<v Speaker 5>applications for immigration, you're a lawyer, you know what happens

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<v Speaker 5>if they find out if you lied me?

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<v Speaker 2>But would have say if that's true, Tom, All I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying is, if that's true, the lawyers in the Trumpet

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<v Speaker 2>min is and I don't think that Trump listens to

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<v Speaker 2>his lawyers. The lawyers and the Trump administration should have said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>if we're going to get someone, let's get him fair

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, get the worst of the worst, get the

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<v Speaker 2>rotten apples out of the the pile first. Then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get the apples that aren't perfect or whatever. But have

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<v Speaker 2>you know and if if, if the argument is the

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<v Speaker 2>person came here illegally, and they've been here illegally and

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<v Speaker 2>and they're a good citizen, uh and they have never

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<v Speaker 2>committed a crime, we still are going to put them

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<v Speaker 2>out because they came here illegally. I'm okay with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with that, but put them all out. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>have the have the documentation. Tom. I hate to do

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<v Speaker 2>this to you. You did get a little extra time.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some other folks who are calling, but you're always

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting caller and I appreciate you taking the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Dan, Bye bye, have.

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<v Speaker 2>Great weekend, Happy Eastern. All right, we are done with

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<v Speaker 2>that topic and we are going to the eleven, and

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<v Speaker 2>the eleven will be what grinds your gears? If you've

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<v Speaker 2>already called this week, you have a hall pass. You

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<v Speaker 2>can call again. Uh, what grinds your gears? Six months, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty six months seven nine, three, one ten thirty

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<v Speaker 2>back after this, I apologize Robbie went on too long.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks