Speaker 1: Maculated voice in all Media, the Alternatives alternative Chuck o'celly,
Speaker 1: twenty fifth day of May twenty sixteen. According to that
Speaker 1: thing we call a calendar, This is the O'Kelly Effect,
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Speaker 1: the East coast of the artist formerly known as America.
Speaker 1: And guess what we're gonna have kind of a different
Speaker 1: discussion tonight. Why well, you know, it seems to me
Speaker 1: as though, unless you're following websites like Gawker dot com,
Speaker 1: you're not really keeping up on the whole. Jeffrey Epstein saga,
Speaker 1: this thing, you know, it hit my news feed somewhere
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this year really intensely and then
Speaker 1: seem to go away oddly enough. And you would think
Speaker 1: that a story that involves you know, big name politicians,
Speaker 1: you know, public figures of all sorts, gee, lawyers, people
Speaker 1: with last names like Clinton, Bush, Trump. You know, all
Speaker 1: of those things coming together into one singular nexus with
Speaker 1: a nefarious character. That might be the kind of thing
Speaker 1: that's newsworthy, but instead we're following the Trumpsters twitter feed right, Well,
Speaker 1: not on this show. So my guest tonight is Ed Opperman. Okay,
Speaker 1: private investigator, extraordinaire, interesting character in and of himself, a
Speaker 1: guest on this show before, certainly a guy who runs
Speaker 1: his own show on American Freedom Radio and many other networks.
Speaker 1: Absolutely the Opperman Report, which you can access at I
Speaker 1: believe the Opperman Report dot com. I seem to find
Speaker 1: it by a speaker and YouTube and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But he does have a membership section where you get
Speaker 1: things that you don't necessarily get out in the public
Speaker 1: as well. I'm sure we'll touch upon that as we
Speaker 1: go further in this discussion, but our focus for the
Speaker 1: most part should be on this. Jeffrey Epstein saga. I
Speaker 1: think Ed, how you doing tonight?
Speaker 2: Very good?
Speaker 3: And as you know, I am an interesting character.
Speaker 1: How's the gout check? No, it's going, you know. I
Speaker 1: love pointing out that you yourself are just an interesting
Speaker 1: character to begin with, you know, and maybe maybe there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of prejudice here because of that, you know,
Speaker 1: Northeastern kind of us attitude, And it is the way
Speaker 1: it is. And you and I have absolutely trod in
Speaker 1: the same mud together things like that on occasion, not
Speaker 1: necessarily at the same time, but we both know the landmarks, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Remember the time when we were talking off I think
Speaker 3: it was all fair.
Speaker 2: We started talking about that guy we know, brother Frank,
Speaker 2: you know all right, yes, by the Manucci Frank Good
Speaker 2: And there was a guy who you know and remember,
Speaker 2: okay for.
Speaker 1: The listeners, you guys remember earlier in the week I
Speaker 1: was talking about inquirer stories and how I know they
Speaker 1: get written right, Well, one of the many figures that
Speaker 1: I've known that has had a story written on him
Speaker 1: was brother Frank Manucci. Now what happened was HBO ran
Speaker 1: this Mob Stories series. I don't know if you remember that, Ed,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well they had a thing about getting out
Speaker 1: of the mob. Now, most of it was a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys who were rats. You know, of course, you're Sammy.
Speaker 1: The Gravano's have to come up in different people that
Speaker 1: were informants and things like that over the years, and
Speaker 1: somehow or other they threw brother Frank in there, even
Speaker 1: though he had never been an informant, never been a turncoat.
Speaker 1: He had just basically walked away from dealing with the
Speaker 1: lu Casey's because he was tied into the nexus of
Speaker 1: the Hell's Angels, the Nomads, right, and the mob connections
Speaker 1: there in New York. And interesting guy even with his
Speaker 1: lineage alone, because this is a guy who you know
Speaker 1: was Italian and Irish. I mean, gee, why am I
Speaker 1: identifying with that? But anyway, Italian and Irish, and his
Speaker 1: grandparents had names like o'banian, right, And there was another
Speaker 1: one whose name doesn't jump right to my mind, but
Speaker 1: somebody else who was a significant figure in the Chicago
Speaker 1: underworld at the very same time that o'banian was his
Speaker 1: mother I think was O'Banion's daughter. And then of course
Speaker 1: his father was an Italian whose name escapes me at
Speaker 1: the moment, But either way, it was kind of a
Speaker 1: fascinating thing. It was sort of a weird connection nexus thing.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, he got out of the mob by turning
Speaker 1: his life around and deciding to become this like motorcycle
Speaker 1: riding preacher. And it turns out me and I both
Speaker 1: know this guy. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: For all the people. I always catch hell all the
Speaker 2: time because I always go, oh, yeah, oh I got
Speaker 2: a story about so and so. Oh yeah I met him.
Speaker 2: I met him, you know, and everybody always gives me
Speaker 2: all about it. But now we have an eyewitness, Okay,
Speaker 2: man Shock talking about some guy out of the blue.
Speaker 2: We both know the same guy who was a real
Speaker 2: character himself. By the way, he was a real character.
Speaker 1: Oh right. And again, like I said, with the Inquirer stories,
Speaker 1: though years after he was out of all that, and
Speaker 1: he's just the motorcycle riding preacher guy. Right. The Inquirer
Speaker 1: comes to a town, a little known town in New
Speaker 1: Jersey called Whiting, and sits down with him and actually
Speaker 1: does a you know, a full page spread thing where
Speaker 1: they're you know, showing him when he was younger, showing
Speaker 1: him when he was the president National President of the Nomads,
Speaker 1: which is a subset of the Hell's Angels and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and explaining all about his criminal background and
Speaker 1: his turnaround and all that, and yeah, character, that's that's
Speaker 1: one way to look at him too. So I'm winding.
Speaker 1: I'm dropping you in the same box, aren't I.
Speaker 2: Well, he wound up testifying at the Robert Plake murder
Speaker 2: trial because Blake had hired him to make some threatening
Speaker 2: phone calls. And this is when the guy was a preacher,
Speaker 2: born again preacher, and he was still he still made
Speaker 2: the phone calls. But hey, you know, brother Frank, he's
Speaker 2: a good guy.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, no matter how he extracted himself from
Speaker 1: criminal activity, it's not like he didn't still have friends,
Speaker 1: voice and kind of an imposing figure. Actually, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you a funny story off the air about how imposing
Speaker 1: a figure he could be. But it was pretty interesting. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: you never know what kind of characters you're going to
Speaker 1: run into when you're run in certain circles. Now, like
Speaker 1: I said, tonight's focuses on Jeffrey Epstein, I wound up
Speaker 1: telling that whole other story. But let's give to people
Speaker 1: in case they've never heard of Jeffrey Epstein. Who are
Speaker 1: we talking about it?
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because you were saying, how you
Speaker 2: know he's been on your radar about a year. I
Speaker 2: was looking at my notes. The first notes I did
Speaker 2: was on Epstein was a year ago in May May
Speaker 2: third and back when I wanted to do my first
Speaker 2: show on Epstein. I looked around. It was really no
Speaker 2: guests available. I had on Robert Morrow. I remember reading
Speaker 2: a story in a magazine about five years or so
Speaker 2: before I had the show. No, No, I had to be
Speaker 2: up to two thousand eight, because he's up us in
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, but it was around around of ten,
Speaker 2: and I read about this billionaire down in Palm Beach
Speaker 2: and he was luring these little kids into his home.
Speaker 2: He would have one kid, a middle school age little girl,
Speaker 2: and he would pay her to pay another little girl
Speaker 2: two hundred bucks to get get them over to the
Speaker 2: mansion and then for massage, a nude massage. But then
Speaker 2: once the little girl was up there in his mansion
Speaker 2: there he would start escalating things until he would molest
Speaker 2: these kids. You know so.
Speaker 1: Well. And the odd thing is ed Unfortunately you've had
Speaker 1: to run across see I hear that sigh, right, you
Speaker 1: run across this kind of mo before this is there's
Speaker 1: nothing unique to this. A lot of times these predatory
Speaker 1: guys who prey upon underage girls or boys, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Fact is they'll turn around and get regular with somebody, okay,
Speaker 1: and then they use them as a procurer so to
Speaker 1: speak all right, And this, oddly enough, was the basis
Speaker 1: of a script for one of those you know, wonderful
Speaker 1: mainstream TV shows that you know occasionally reveals an element
Speaker 1: of truth to you, although it's quite disguised by being
Speaker 1: a fictional you know, none of the characters here are
Speaker 1: based on anyone in real life, et cetera. Right, Remember
Speaker 1: Law and Order SBU turned around and basically did the
Speaker 1: Epstein story, didn't they.
Speaker 3: I saw that, and I never noticed.
Speaker 1: Oh no, they did. They had this guy who was
Speaker 1: super rich and he had recruited, you know, some woman
Speaker 1: who now had you know, aged out of his range,
Speaker 1: but she was still being like a procurer for him
Speaker 1: to bring in underage girls to get him into the situation. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll pay you five hundred bucks and you know, you
Speaker 1: give him a massage and then he escalates the situation
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. Like I said, it's
Speaker 1: not an exact match, but you know, eerily similar. They
Speaker 1: did the same thing, and a lot of people you
Speaker 1: can look it up. Actually, I'm sure there's people have
Speaker 1: written about this. But I remember watching this episode myself
Speaker 1: and saying, damn, that's the Epstein story right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't catch that one. I didn't catch that one.
Speaker 2: But the story has started to take to pick up
Speaker 2: steam in the press because because Prince Andrew was involved
Speaker 2: there for a while. But the thing is what Epstein
Speaker 2: and he was more than these little kids. Word got
Speaker 2: out back to the cops.
Speaker 3: They did a real thorough investigation on the local cops
Speaker 3: down there in Palm Beach. That are real investigation on.
Speaker 2: They put a camera across the street from his mansion
Speaker 2: down there by the way his mansion.
Speaker 3: Then I found it just recently. He's like a walking
Speaker 3: distance to mar A Lago for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, no surprise. You know, people say, well, look,
Speaker 1: no surprise. Billionaires you know, are obviously going to congregate
Speaker 1: in certain areas and all that. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: not as though this is an isolated guy. He seems
Speaker 1: to be have connections to well, every time he turned around,
Speaker 1: somebody that you know, whose name you already know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just I was just telling off the air
Speaker 2: a second ago. Pierce Redman, we were talking about this
Speaker 2: the other day, and he sent me a whole slew
Speaker 2: of ProQuest documents that he had gotten from a listener,
Speaker 2: a ton of new stuff I've never seen before where
Speaker 2: Epstein was My god, He's running like a basketball team
Speaker 2: in the Virgin Islands, and an orchestra, a teen orchestra
Speaker 2: in the Virgin Islands for the schools down there, a
Speaker 2: science fair.
Speaker 3: All kind of this guy. You know, the amount of.
Speaker 2: Money he must really have must be way more than
Speaker 2: we know about, because he's given money to Harvard and
Speaker 2: he's having a building named after some other guy you
Speaker 2: know in Harvard.
Speaker 1: Just really really.
Speaker 2: Really really up there Clinton. We just came out in
Speaker 2: the past week that Clinton flew on his plane twenty
Speaker 2: six times. We had known previously that he's flew on
Speaker 2: his plane eleven times, but it just came out there
Speaker 2: was twenty six times total, and five of those times
Speaker 2: he had ditched his Secret Service detail in order to
Speaker 2: fly without them, without any kind of record or any
Speaker 2: kind of witnesses on the plane with Epstein. Epstein has
Speaker 2: his own seven forty seven. He has his own island
Speaker 2: down to the Virgin Islands. The wife of the President
Speaker 2: of the Virgin Islands works for Epstein. He has another
Speaker 2: big garranch out in New Mexico, and he has the
Speaker 2: most expensive piece of townhouse in Manhattan. I believed on
Speaker 2: seventy first Street, and it's right across the street, by
Speaker 2: the way, from another guy, Bill con.
Speaker 1: Neighbors.
Speaker 2: That interesting, yeah, because when you hear those stories about Cosby,
Speaker 2: and by the way too, in front of Cosby's house,
Speaker 2: there's a little police hut out there, a little little
Speaker 2: one of those little tiny mobile police things where a
Speaker 2: cop stands in there and guards the neighborhood, you know.
Speaker 2: And there's all these stories when you hear these stories
Speaker 2: about Cosby where he's just he's carrying out a comatose
Speaker 2: woman who's just been drugged out of his place down
Speaker 2: and taking her down to the street and dumping her
Speaker 2: into a cab, you know, and you wonder, well, how
Speaker 2: is he getting away with that? And like the book,
Speaker 2: what's going on across the street, it's even ten times worse,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, now I've got mixed feelings about the Cosby thing.
Speaker 1: I told you this before. I'm not convinced that all
Speaker 1: of it is legitimate. I mean, it's it's a huge
Speaker 1: amount now of women that have come forward, but I'm
Speaker 1: not convinced that it's all entirely legitimate. However, it is
Speaker 1: weird when you consider that if this guy's across the
Speaker 1: streets from this Epstein, who you know, in the mainstream
Speaker 1: press is generally just described as this mysterious financier of
Speaker 1: great means. Right, He's somebody who's just made his money
Speaker 1: in money, it seems like the way that they report it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, earlier this week Fox News did say that
Speaker 1: that what Bill Clinton had been on there, like you said,
Speaker 1: more than two dozen times on these private you know,
Speaker 1: these private flights which God knows what goes on, and
Speaker 1: God knows where they're going, and God knows what happens
Speaker 1: when they get their kind of deal. Although a lot
Speaker 1: of that information has started to come out, and like
Speaker 1: I said, even what's been bandied about before is like
Speaker 1: you know, his Black Book, Epstein's Black Books supposedly, right,
Speaker 1: you've seen that stuff around, right, Oh, yeah, yeah, the
Speaker 1: Black Book.
Speaker 3: What's interesting about the Black Book.
Speaker 2: There was like twenty nine phone numbers to reach Clinton,
Speaker 2: you know, Bill Clinton in the Black Book. But what
Speaker 2: you never hear reported at all in the Black Book
Speaker 2: is about Trump is in the Black Book, but also
Speaker 2: Trump's ex wife, Evanna is in the Black Book. His
Speaker 2: daughter Ivanka is in the Black Book, and only his
Speaker 2: sons are in the Black Book as well. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of weird names in the Black Book. And
Speaker 2: it's one of the interesting things too, is that his butler,
Speaker 2: who was a witness down there in the Palm Beach
Speaker 2: mansion and described, you know, these little girls coming over
Speaker 2: up to three a day, coming over to the house
Speaker 2: three a day. And also to if you read the
Speaker 2: probable Cause Affidavid that they used to get the search warrant,
Speaker 2: they describe inside that home when you walked in there
Speaker 2: through the kitchen entrance to all these girls was coming
Speaker 2: through the kitchen, they'd go up the staircase of the
Speaker 2: massage room. There was all over the house was framed
Speaker 2: naked pictures of underage girls throughout the home. So yeah, right,
Speaker 2: so anybody who walked in that home, including his butler,
Speaker 2: was witness and possession of shild pornography. And a butler,
Speaker 2: you know, after Epstein got in some trouble, he stole
Speaker 2: the Black Book and he tried to sell it and
Speaker 2: they threw him him in jail for more time than
Speaker 2: Epstein got in jail.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's just bizarre beyond I mean, but kind
Speaker 1: of typical considering. I mean, look, I take the attitude
Speaker 1: constantly that uh, if if you've got the if you've
Speaker 1: got the cash, you don't have to do the time
Speaker 1: for any crime, right, I mean it just it just
Speaker 1: seems that way that you can become teflon if you
Speaker 1: pay the uh you know, if you pay the entrance. Strange,
Speaker 1: all right, Interesting, this guy also has ties to people
Speaker 1: in the legal field that are pretty well known, at
Speaker 1: least that's what I'm looking at, uh, you know, allegations
Speaker 1: about what Dershowitz even being tied to him. I saw a.
Speaker 2: Bunch of stuff like this, Yeah, Dershwitz, h was asked.
Speaker 3: Before Epstein got busted.
Speaker 2: Dershwitz was ranting and ranting and raving about his buddy Epstein,
Speaker 2: what a brilliant man he was, and even if he
Speaker 2: wasn't a billionaire, we'd still be.
Speaker 3: Friends because he's just he's that kind of guy.
Speaker 2: If he was selling hot dogs on Cony Island, we'd
Speaker 2: we'd still be quick friends because that's such a brilliant mind.
Speaker 2: And uh then later on, when uh, Dershowitz was pointed
Speaker 2: out by Virginia Roberts as being being you know, forced
Speaker 2: to uh service Dershowitz, you know, by this young victim
Speaker 2: Virginia Roberts.
Speaker 3: He said, why don't even know Epstein? Who's Who's that Epstein?
Speaker 3: Who I don't know?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And he goes on to to to uh saying this
Speaker 2: girl is a liar. So the girl sued him for defamation,
Speaker 2: and now he's a defendant in a defamation lawsuit. So
Speaker 2: he turns around, he goes back and he sues her lawyers,
Speaker 2: and he's threatened to sue her lawyers. He's going to
Speaker 2: sue the lawyers and report them to the Bar Association.
Speaker 2: I'm a respect you should hear that. You should hear
Speaker 2: his filings. I'm a respected Harvard professor, you know, and
Speaker 2: these people are questioning me. He sues her lawyers, He
Speaker 2: sues the reports them to the Bar Association. About three
Speaker 2: weeks ago, you don't hear. On a Friday night, they
Speaker 2: announced the settlement because her lawyers suited him right back,
Speaker 2: you know. And then that's the settlement. That's a well,
Speaker 2: we're going to drop our lawsuits. But and the thing
Speaker 2: was that he really he really lost. He says, we're
Speaker 2: gonna drop our lawsuits. But the Virginia Roberts attorneys had
Speaker 2: to admit, well, it was a mistake. It was a
Speaker 2: tactical error to include Epstein in this litigation.
Speaker 3: Where we accused him of these of this stuff.
Speaker 2: But they settle that out, but the lawsuit of Virginia
Speaker 2: Roberts against Dershowitz continues, so that that's a huge victory
Speaker 2: for our side. I really think in the courts, ultimately
Speaker 2: we're gonna win this whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, right because look if everybody and this
Speaker 1: does happen in a lot of these high profile cases, right,
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, suits start flying back and
Speaker 1: forth and you have all sorts of legal maneuvering go on,
Speaker 1: and you kind of have to wait for the dust
Speaker 1: to settle in order to figure out what's actually happened. Now,
Speaker 1: if there was no legitimacy to her lawsuit, that would
Speaker 1: have been part of the bargain. Let's just say I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, look, I'm not a legal scholar.
Speaker 1: I'm not somebody who necessarily totally understands the courts. But
Speaker 1: when you see these things happen and somebody doesn't drop
Speaker 1: their suit like that, when everybody's you know, shaking hands
Speaker 1: and saying okay, okay, let's let this go. Let's let
Speaker 1: that go, you know, back and forth, and this still stands.
Speaker 1: That usually means there's a bit more than a bone
Speaker 1: to chew on there, you know, there's some meat to it, right.
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, I definitely think that's a victory for
Speaker 2: the for the Roberts side of the Virginia Roberts are
Speaker 2: the victims of Epstein against the abusers, you know, And I.
Speaker 3: Case, I gotta put that the press release.
Speaker 2: I got to put that up on the opper roomport
Speaker 2: member section in two think just upload a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of documents on there about the epsoin case.
Speaker 3: There was also just.
Speaker 2: Recently, this bizarre little lawsuit was filed in Riverside, California,
Speaker 2: about three weeks ago by someone named Katie Johnson, and
Speaker 2: she claims that she was one of the victims of Epstein.
Speaker 2: She was suing for one hundred million dollars. She was
Speaker 2: suing both Epstein and Trump.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, what's odd about this case that stands out
Speaker 1: to me, if I recall this case properly, is that
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of claims now that it's a
Speaker 1: fictitious person, it's a fictitious address, there's fictitious phone numbers involved,
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff like this, What have you learned
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 2: Yes, it is. It is the name to me, anyone
Speaker 2: is I think there was twenty six Katie Johnson's in
Speaker 2: that age range in Riverside and then there with the
Speaker 2: phone number.
Speaker 3: I traced the phone.
Speaker 2: Number back and a lot of people are reporting that
Speaker 2: it traces back to a dentist office that was disconnected.
Speaker 2: But I have a trace back to a cell phone
Speaker 2: service after that. But I was just told the other
Speaker 2: day that it's starting to ring now. It wasn't ringing
Speaker 2: when when it was first file.
Speaker 3: But now here's the thing with that, Okay.
Speaker 2: In the lawsuit, this titious person is suing both Epstein
Speaker 2: and Trump, okay, and also to the laws cited or bogus.
Speaker 2: She's not signing the correct laws to get with in
Speaker 2: a legitimate lawsuit. But there's some interesting stuff in that
Speaker 2: paperwork where she talks about she has a witness who
Speaker 2: is a party planner for Epstein, who is willing to
Speaker 2: come forward and testify. Now that's an interesting addition to
Speaker 2: this bogus lawsuit. Why would that be in there? There's
Speaker 2: no David right, there's no affidavit from this mysterious witness. Right,
Speaker 2: but it's mentioned if there's we have this witness who
Speaker 2: is willing to come forward and testify. Now, I've been
Speaker 2: involved in some of these kind of cases before. Okay,
Speaker 2: where you find a lawsuit against a celebrity, you want
Speaker 2: to avoid bad publicity, So this negotiation goes on before.
Speaker 3: Oh glory already does this all the time, right.
Speaker 1: This year? Well truthfully, right, just let me break in
Speaker 1: or a second here. Truthfully, what happens to a lot
Speaker 1: of public figures routinely, in fact, is that they're sued
Speaker 1: by individuals for all sorts of things. Okay, This is
Speaker 1: why as a prominent public figure, you almost always need
Speaker 1: a legal team, because because people will allege one way
Speaker 1: or another that you were somewhere, that you did something,
Speaker 1: that your a brand of entertainment did something, your products
Speaker 1: did something. You're constantly actually kind of confronted by this.
Speaker 1: Like when Trump made that point about, hey, look, you know,
Speaker 1: I realize I got lawsuits against me, but that happens
Speaker 1: all the time. That was one of the most legitimate
Speaker 1: points I ever heard of make, because if you're a
Speaker 1: figure that rises to that level in the public consciousness,
Speaker 1: you're almost guaranteed that you're going to receive lawsuits no
Speaker 1: matter what you do anyway. Okay, So this kind of
Speaker 1: thing happens, and most times it's either renuisance or if
Speaker 1: there is anything that even remotely approaches you know, something
Speaker 1: that's actually in a lot of cases, this is why
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of weird settlements to come out, because
Speaker 1: it'll do more damage to them to actually fight it
Speaker 1: and things like that. I mean, am I misrepresenting this
Speaker 1: in any way? Ed? No?
Speaker 2: Listen. I used to follow this guy online years ago
Speaker 2: named Wayne Mansu. He was a real character. I love
Speaker 2: this guy. He was the craziest person in the world.
Speaker 2: And he would sue NASA and as a co defendant,
Speaker 2: he'd sue Madonna and then he'd see his mother in
Speaker 2: law and his stepmother. Was that they were all in
Speaker 2: conspiracy together to plot against him. Guy was, you know,
Speaker 2: come on, man, I loved it. I love this guy.
Speaker 1: It's just brilliant, like all kinds of crazy. He's just
Speaker 1: suing everybody, right. And I'll bet you something about this
Speaker 1: guy though before you say anything else, because I don't
Speaker 1: know this story yet, but I'll bet you anything that
Speaker 1: every once in a while this guy got paid no
Speaker 1: matter how ridiculous his claims were.
Speaker 2: No, they would throw him in the mental instition you
Speaker 2: would get on. Now they throw these cases out, it
Speaker 2: is you can go. You can go for the judge
Speaker 2: and say listen, summary judgment gets thrown right out, which
Speaker 2: which happened with this Katie Johnson thing. Now, what I
Speaker 2: suspect though, could be going on with this Katie Johnson
Speaker 2: thing is if there's someone a real lawyer. Because you
Speaker 2: filed this pro say a propers and file without lawyer,
Speaker 2: I suspect there is a lawyer out there that has
Speaker 2: a real client, and that there is a real party
Speaker 2: planner okay, that exists out there that is wanting to
Speaker 2: come forward and testify. Now, maybe this guy's in negotiation
Speaker 2: with the Trumpet empty people or not.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But you get to a point where you say to them, listen,
Speaker 2: if we don't get some money right now, we're gonna file.
Speaker 3: Okay, But if you file, you're pretty much shot. You WoT.
Speaker 2: But if you file a bogus suit then has some
Speaker 2: of the details in it, that's a nice shot across
Speaker 2: the bow.
Speaker 3: Hey man, we're serious.
Speaker 2: We're gonna file this again with a real lawyer. With
Speaker 2: a real using our real names, and attach that affidavit
Speaker 2: with a party planner we want to see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't even think of that kind of strategy.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is it's it's like the quick
Speaker 1: fake out. Okay, the lawsuit we know is going to
Speaker 1: fall apart as soon as anybody gets to look at it.
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing. If they actually look at
Speaker 1: it and examine the details and go back to their
Speaker 1: client and say, hey, are any of these details legitimate,
Speaker 1: and they go, well, there's a couple of things in
Speaker 1: there that are for real. Even though the lawsuit isn't
Speaker 1: for real, you can say, okay, listen, that right there
Speaker 1: is just us showing you part of our hands. It's
Speaker 1: a poker game.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you got two up and three
Speaker 1: down here right, and you're guessing what the other three are.
Speaker 1: But you know, we've just shown you we got to
Speaker 1: pair up and doesn't necessarily mean they can win, but
Speaker 1: they got something right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we mean business. We're ready to go public. Here's
Speaker 2: what we got. Take a look, and we're not gonna
Speaker 2: put our names on it. But the next time we
Speaker 2: do this, we're gonna put our names on it.
Speaker 3: If we have to. And you know Empsteiness settled, you
Speaker 3: know that we know about it.
Speaker 2: About twenty of these cases for a million a piece each,
Speaker 2: so you know, it's not like they don't have money
Speaker 2: to pay this stuff off. Trump. You know, Trump himself too,
Speaker 2: he fights a lot of this stuff. But he just
Speaker 2: had an interesting lawsuit himself where he was sued by
Speaker 2: a young model from Trump Modeling agency. Trump has two
Speaker 2: modeling companies. One is a Trump Modeling Agency, another one
Speaker 2: is Trump Entertainment Management, right. And one interesting thing is
Speaker 2: I spotted in there was that he had imported two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty young girls as little as twelve years old,
Speaker 2: using these H one b vss to bring them into
Speaker 2: the country. One of them was this young girl, this
Speaker 2: little girl from Jamaica, and he brought her here saying
Speaker 2: that she was gonna make eight thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 2: He's gonna say, H one visa might I might be
Speaker 2: H one B one H one. I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: she is, but these visas. And when she got here,
Speaker 2: you know, he put her up in a place and
Speaker 2: got her modeling gigs, you know, and drove around in
Speaker 2: private cards and stuff like that, and surely made thirty
Speaker 2: eight hundred dollars. He kept eighty percent of her income.
Speaker 2: So she sued.
Speaker 3: Trump Modeling agency.
Speaker 2: She sued Trump for slavery, basically for being a slave
Speaker 2: and you know, having them take all her money and all.
Speaker 3: Kinds of stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting to me that Donald Trump made five
Speaker 2: million dollars. By the way, he declared five million dollars
Speaker 2: an income from this Trump modeling agency. Okay, his modeling endeavors.
Speaker 2: He also met his wife, Milania, the one he's married
Speaker 2: to right now. He met her because she was a
Speaker 2: model for one of these modeling agencies and he owns. Okay,
Speaker 2: so let's let's let's look at the pattern here. Okay,
Speaker 2: here's a guy. Okay, he's making money doing other stuff,
Speaker 2: but but he wants to have he wants to be
Speaker 2: a modeling agent. Okay, he wants a modeling agency.
Speaker 1: Sure, why not?
Speaker 2: When I would do it? Listen, Chuck, I would do
Speaker 2: it in a minute. Okay, if I had the money.
Speaker 2: That's that's right up my line. That's what I would do. Now,
Speaker 2: he has no problem creeping on these girls who are
Speaker 2: working for him as models because he married one Okay,
Speaker 2: he dated a couple, he married one, Okay, right. What
Speaker 2: troubles me though, is he's importing kids as young as
Speaker 2: twelve years old.
Speaker 3: And out of.
Speaker 2: Out of all of his businesses, this guy that he
Speaker 2: has when all the construction companies, of all the h
Speaker 2: one beat visa applications that he's filed, he's filed one
Speaker 2: thousand in total for all of his companies, and out
Speaker 2: of that, two hundred and fifty were to import little
Speaker 2: girls from foreign countries to the United States, where one
Speaker 2: of them we know, only made thirty eight hundred bucks
Speaker 2: in like three years.
Speaker 1: Now, well that's that's over three years at thirty yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god.
Speaker 2: And the only reason why he won that lawsuit that
Speaker 2: got thrown out, okay, was because the lawyer who filed
Speaker 2: it did it all incorrectly and he should have went
Speaker 2: to the labor board and counted up for hours and
Speaker 2: all kinds of weird stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But so it was.
Speaker 2: Thrown out, not not on the merits, but because it
Speaker 2: was filed incorrectly.
Speaker 1: Wow, so you have you have basically a paperwork snafoo
Speaker 1: here with with somebody who didn't fill out the paperwork properly,
Speaker 1: which is why the now was it dismissed without prejudice?
Speaker 1: I mean, does it?
Speaker 2: It's gone from that court. He needs to go to
Speaker 2: like the labor board, you know, to get paid on that.
Speaker 2: But another interesting thing is that ties all this in
Speaker 2: again with Epstein. Epstein had a buddy named Jean Luke Brunel,
Speaker 2: who was again a modeling scout. And this guy had
Speaker 2: a notorious reputation of roofis and doing all kinds of
Speaker 2: stuff like that. You could just google his name. There's
Speaker 2: all kinds of the minutes did a show about this
Speaker 2: guy years ago? Oh wow, Okay, he's Epstein's buddy. As
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, when Epstein was in that little
Speaker 2: Rinki Ding jail. See, people need to realize that when
Speaker 2: Epstein pled guilty, okay, and took his non prosecution deal,
Speaker 2: he went to a jail in Florida where he had
Speaker 2: donated eighty thousand dollars to a sheriff's department. In that
Speaker 2: same jail, they housed him in a wing of that
Speaker 2: jail all by himself. It was under construction. He was
Speaker 2: the only inmate in that section of the jail. He
Speaker 2: didn't have to he only had to sleep there. He
Speaker 2: could leave in the morning, get on his seven forty
Speaker 2: his private seven forty seven, go to Virgin Islands, go
Speaker 2: to New York City, go to New Mexico wherever he
Speaker 2: wanted to go, and come back.
Speaker 3: There at night and go to sleep.
Speaker 2: The only day he had to stay there all day
Speaker 2: long was Sunday, who came to visit him more than
Speaker 2: fifty two times. He was only after thirteen months and
Speaker 2: more visits than per possible visiting days. Okay, in that
Speaker 2: jail was just see Luke Brunell, the modeling scout with
Speaker 2: this priverty reputation.
Speaker 1: Oh so let's get this straight. That's you know, if
Speaker 1: you average it out, that's about once a week, right, right,
Speaker 1: for you know, thirteen months, you might as well call
Speaker 1: it a year. And if you got fifty two weeks
Speaker 1: and a year, bang, it's once a week. This guy's
Speaker 1: checking in with him right while he's at and this
Speaker 1: is just while he's at the jail. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that he wasn't checking in with him otherwise we're talking about.
Speaker 1: That's the minimum that we can figure out because he's
Speaker 1: there at his you know, cheaply built but definitely segregated housing,
Speaker 1: right which he only has to sleep at. This is
Speaker 1: a pretty good deal here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more visits from this guy than that were available
Speaker 2: visiting days. So the guy and one day visited twice. Okay. Brunell,
Speaker 2: his reputation in this little group with Epstein and all
Speaker 2: this stuff was going on was that he had a
Speaker 2: way to get visus.
Speaker 3: He was the guy with the visus.
Speaker 2: They can go to the countries like the Czechoslovakia and
Speaker 2: you know, these Eastern European countries in Thailand and go
Speaker 2: there and pick up these little girls and get them
Speaker 2: visas to come to the United States. Okay, that was
Speaker 2: his little deal in its ring, according to Virginia Roberts.
Speaker 2: And now where do we see that same pattern taking
Speaker 2: place over a Trump modeling agency with these visas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when you're talking about you know, little girls,
Speaker 1: I mean literally you're meaning to say, you know twelve
Speaker 1: year old.
Speaker 2: Girls, right, Yeah, when you look at the picture. There's
Speaker 2: a widely circulated picture out there of Virginia Roberts with
Speaker 2: Prince Andrew and she's seventeen years old. In that picture,
Speaker 2: she got a big smile on her face, you know,
Speaker 2: and people looking and said, oh, look at her, she's
Speaker 2: enjoying herself.
Speaker 3: Oh look at I said.
Speaker 2: But if you go back and look up some of
Speaker 2: the original filings in this case, you'll see pictures of
Speaker 2: Virginia Roberts when she's a little kid. She's a little
Speaker 2: kid on the Staten Island ferry in little kid clothes.
Speaker 2: You said thirteen fourteen years old on that picture. And
Speaker 2: then you see messages from her mother saying, Virginia, you
Speaker 2: got to figure out a way to get away from
Speaker 2: that man.
Speaker 3: You got to figure out a way to.
Speaker 2: Get away, you know. And you know, I thought that
Speaker 2: stuff is that was you know to me, it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: I got my kids the same age. There was another
Speaker 2: thing too, in the in the the probable cause affon
Speaker 2: David for the search warrant, where they discussed the two
Speaker 2: cops discussed, you know, identifying all these little kids that
Speaker 2: were being molested by Epstein and going to their homes
Speaker 2: knocking on the door dinner time. You know, Hey, you know,
Speaker 2: mom and dad, we got to talk to you about
Speaker 2: your kids. Your kid's been you know, getting paid two
Speaker 2: hundred bucks to go. Besides, this guy, a naked guy,
Speaker 2: and he's you know, molested them. Can you imagine, you know,
Speaker 2: the police knock on your door at dinner time, you know,
Speaker 2: and your little daughter.
Speaker 3: The kid denies it, Well, mom, it never happened, never
Speaker 3: have it.
Speaker 1: Line now, I don't know anything.
Speaker 2: After there, then a couple of days later, the police
Speaker 2: and then the parents contact the police. Our daughter admitted everything.
Speaker 2: She told us, everything's going you know.
Speaker 1: No, I got I got a seven you know right now,
Speaker 1: I got I got a daughter who's going to be seventeen,
Speaker 1: right and I can I can wrap my mind around
Speaker 1: that concept of you know, at first, she would probably
Speaker 1: deny that anything happened, you know, and meanwhile, I'm going
Speaker 1: to pursue that a little bit and try and do
Speaker 1: it gently. You know, come on, it's okay, you can
Speaker 1: explain this to me, you know, kind of deal. And
Speaker 1: then probably a couple of days later, Yeah, the parents
Speaker 1: have to call the cops back and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: after giving a little bit of time, and you know,
Speaker 1: she went in a room for a while, slept for
Speaker 1: two days whatever, you know, she came back and told me,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, guess what, there's there's more to this.
Speaker 1: And then you know, how many families, you know, are
Speaker 1: we talking about that they that they seem to uh
Speaker 1: you know, go knocking on doors for I mean, what
Speaker 1: what kind of number are we talking about here?
Speaker 2: I believe it was about thirty family there in Palm Beach, Florida.
Speaker 2: They yeah, they identified about thirty victims there. But you
Speaker 2: gotta remember too, it was way more than that, because
Speaker 2: the butler testified that there was a three little girls
Speaker 2: a day, you know, so there was a There was
Speaker 2: stuff too, man like when they executed the search, weren't
Speaker 2: he had the school transcripts of these girls from their
Speaker 2: their school records and their stuff at school. So he
Speaker 2: had to have somebody in the school helping him out
Speaker 2: giving them information, giving them these documents, that's for sure,
Speaker 2: And so he could pick out the ones who were
Speaker 2: from troubled families and had proms and you know, were
Speaker 2: failing at school and showing up late, you know, like
Speaker 2: he was targeting people. And the other thing too, is
Speaker 2: like you said, you have a daughter seventeen years old.
Speaker 2: You know, when we first started walking and working on this,
Speaker 2: my daughter was fourteen, which is right around the age
Speaker 2: of all these kids.
Speaker 3: And I asked her, I said.
Speaker 2: Hey, if any of this was going on at you're
Speaker 2: a school where one girl was coming there and trying
Speaker 2: to recruit other girls for two hundred bucks to go
Speaker 2: massage and naked. Guy, what did this spread like wildfire
Speaker 2: and everyone in the school? No, like in a week
Speaker 2: And she says, yeah, absolutely, everybody would know, you know,
Speaker 2: so it was See that's that's.
Speaker 1: The thing that always kills me about these guys who
Speaker 1: operate on such a massive scale as president as predators.
Speaker 1: Uh and it you know, yes, of course there there
Speaker 1: there is a certain level of evil. There's a certain
Speaker 1: level of sickness that has to be you know, for
Speaker 1: the predator to exist. But then uh, you know, some
Speaker 1: of the helpers they might have been victims whatever, all right,
Speaker 1: but it goes beyond that because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people that are you know, that are turning, that are
Speaker 1: turning a blind eye to it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It has to be because after a while, like you said,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're looking at middle school or early
Speaker 1: high school, right, it would not take long at all.
Speaker 1: And I mean I saw this kind of thing emerge,
Speaker 1: you know one time when I was a kid where
Speaker 1: there was a you know, it never took long for
Speaker 1: the local you know, pedophile who was giving you, you know,
Speaker 1: quarters to go play pac Man or whatever to get
Speaker 1: caught up because one kid would tell another kid and
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. And yeah, it might stay
Speaker 1: contained briefly. But how long are we talking about this
Speaker 1: going on with this character, this Epstein.
Speaker 2: Well that's a good question. At least a year, because
Speaker 2: the investigation went on for a long long time. But
Speaker 2: as far as you can to talk about like everyone
Speaker 2: knowing and everyone being aware, you got to remember, Virginia
Speaker 2: Roberts was one of the main plaintiffs in this litigation, right,
Speaker 2: been one of the main people. The way that Epstein
Speaker 2: got a hold of her was she was working over
Speaker 2: at mar A Lago at the Trump property in the
Speaker 2: girl's locker room, folding towels, and her father worked there too.
Speaker 3: It was the maintenance man over there at mar A Lago.
Speaker 2: And she was recruited by Gashlaine Maxwell was Robert Maxwell's
Speaker 2: daughter now Gishlaine Maxwell too, who was known as this
Speaker 2: person who was like a party plan, party plane going.
Speaker 2: She was like a kind of a like a social light,
Speaker 2: you know, my fond Robert Maxwell is a big con man,
Speaker 2: ran like News of the World and in the UK
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, stole their their money, you ever
Speaker 2: heard of him, right, He had all kind of intelligence
Speaker 2: background and stuff too as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a weird character who knows why he was
Speaker 1: doing some of the things he was doing. But he
Speaker 1: was also a grifter who you know, sucked the money
Speaker 1: out of things, you know, embezzlement and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. I mean, there's all kinds of different stories
Speaker 1: about him. An interesting character in and of himself. And
Speaker 1: his daughter is.
Speaker 2: Over there right okay, and also too, you know, his
Speaker 2: oldest son, the mysterious death of his oldest son, had
Speaker 2: like eight nine and nine kids or something total.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a whole rabbit hole by itself.
Speaker 2: Kishlaine Maxwell was the one who first targeted Virginia Roberts
Speaker 2: at a Trump property and got her over to Epstein. Okay,
Speaker 2: Virginia Roberts father worked for Trump as well. Now Here
Speaker 2: we have statements of Virginia Roberts mother saying you've got
Speaker 2: to get away from these people. Okay. So and then
Speaker 2: we have Kishlaine Maxwell showing up at Bill Clinton's in
Speaker 2: Chelsea Clinton's wedding after Epstein was convicted.
Speaker 3: So we've got a whole pattern.
Speaker 2: Yet there's a whole pattern here of crap going on
Speaker 2: with people looking the other way.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the sociopathic aspects of you know, the
Speaker 1: Clinton's and and jeez, you know many other political figures
Speaker 1: is something that you know, I'm willing to accept as
Speaker 1: a given most of the time. But it's very bizarre
Speaker 1: to watch these nexuses continue to emerge because, like you said,
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not talking about they just happen to
Speaker 1: do business together. We're not talking about they just happened
Speaker 1: to There's all sorts of intimate contact here between family members.
Speaker 1: You know, your your children are in contact with other
Speaker 1: people's children. I mean, this is like like a whole
Speaker 1: other world.
Speaker 3: It sure is, man, you know, and it's very.
Speaker 2: Incestuous, I think is the phrase. You know, we're both
Speaker 2: trying to look for here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's perfect incestuous, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with all these bunches, and they will live next
Speaker 2: door to each other. Epstein was right next door to
Speaker 2: Marrow Lago by the way, too. I just found it
Speaker 2: just very very recently, and this document dump that was
Speaker 2: sent over to me by Pierce Redmond from Porkin's Policy
Speaker 2: was that there exists a photograph of Donald Trump, Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein and Prince Andrew in the same photo.
Speaker 3: It's totally scrub from the internet. You can't, it's not.
Speaker 2: I've seen every single photo of Jeffrey Epstein that he's
Speaker 2: ever been in. I've seen everything, but the one with
Speaker 2: him walking down the street with Woody Allen and that
Speaker 2: little girl.
Speaker 1: He was going on, Man, you're talking about what what
Speaker 1: doy Allen with the the Soon deal? And uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Woody Allen was hanging out with Epstein, you know,
Speaker 2: and is near oh.
Speaker 3: By the Way too.
Speaker 2: I found out something else too recently too, that in
Speaker 2: that New York place by the way, Epstein's only client
Speaker 2: that we know of is Leslie Wexler, who owns a
Speaker 2: Victoria's Secrets, owns The Limited and only these clothing stores
Speaker 2: for teenagers and stuff like that. The Limited has another
Speaker 2: clothing line called The Limited too, where they sell clothes
Speaker 2: to preteen girls under twelve years old. And it's all
Speaker 2: like grooming too to get these girls into this kind
Speaker 2: of prerogative clothing. It's all like this huge giant pattern.
Speaker 2: But in that home in Manhattan where Jeffrey Epstein lives today,
Speaker 2: they're the one with the pictures that came out with
Speaker 2: wood You all out in front of the house. I
Speaker 2: just found out something in an architecture magazine that in
Speaker 2: that home there's a room, a lead lined bathroom underneath
Speaker 2: a staircase that has like like a safe room with
Speaker 2: and it has in there. There's a telephone there in
Speaker 2: a hidden compartment, there's a there's video surveys from that
Speaker 2: bathroom of the rest of the house.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's got a panic room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it even seems to be a little bit
Speaker 2: beyond the padic room because it's the leadlined you know,
Speaker 2: like like maybe he doesn't want to be like it
Speaker 2: can prevent surveillance on him in that room, so.
Speaker 1: They couldn't even go in there with like, wow, that's
Speaker 1: that's crazy.
Speaker 2: You want to hear another bizarre thing too when you
Speaker 2: walk into that home. Uh, when you first walk in,
Speaker 2: there's a whole wall of artificial eyeballs from World War One.
Speaker 2: Uh that from for prosthetic eyeballs in little glass cases
Speaker 2: pointing back at you. You know, and if you know
Speaker 2: anything about this kind of black magic stuff, that's so
Speaker 2: that people can't see what you're doing, it's like the
Speaker 2: evil eye pointing back like uh, Jimmy Saville had that
Speaker 2: ring with an eyeball on it, you know, like they
Speaker 2: think it's like protection against people seeing what they're doing.
Speaker 3: And in some cases I think it works.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but this.
Speaker 1: Comes from the you know, the the the voodoo thing
Speaker 1: that was sort of adopted by the Italians, where you
Speaker 1: you know, you do the maloic kind of deal and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you put the evil eye on somebody, that
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and it's an odd sort of deal,
Speaker 1: but there's plenty of people that have that superstition, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it goes a little beyond an odd decorating choice.
Speaker 1: You know, that's creepy, man.
Speaker 2: Oh no, Yeah, when you read about the way that
Speaker 2: the place in Manhattan was decorated, there's all kinds of
Speaker 2: creepy occult stuff in there too. And then the descriptions
Speaker 2: of the place that in Palm Beach, like the gargoyles
Speaker 2: out in front, you know, of the house.
Speaker 3: With all the typical stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: And by the way too, you know, he was friends
Speaker 2: with the Rothschild evonnd Rosschild.
Speaker 3: Do you know that.
Speaker 1: No, I was not aware of that at all.
Speaker 2: Dude, he's a member of the council formulation. No, I
Speaker 2: know that, but I didn't know he was, you know,
Speaker 2: Epstein is remember the Council Farm relations and friends and
Speaker 2: party with Evelyn Russa. In fact, when Dershowitz was talking
Speaker 2: about how he met, he says, oh, well, maybe I
Speaker 2: met him once or twice at Evelyn's parties.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That's the only time they met was at the Rothschilds.
Speaker 1: You know, wow, yeah, that's pretty crazy. I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1: You know, there is so much on this guy out there,
Speaker 1: you know that it's almost impossible to wrap your mind
Speaker 1: completely around it. All right, Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2: It makes me wonder how they were able to get
Speaker 2: a case at all against him, you know.
Speaker 3: But once they did, they did a great investigation.
Speaker 2: Was comps down in Pombiche, Florida, and where they set
Speaker 2: up a video camera across the street. They went through
Speaker 2: his garbage and they rounded up the names of all
Speaker 2: these kids. They visited their parents homes. But after that
Speaker 2: he went out and hired this legal dream team with
Speaker 2: the Jerry Leftcourt, who was Abby Hawfin's lawyer, you know,
Speaker 2: great fourth mental lawyer from New York City, and Roy
Speaker 2: Black and Dershwitz and Ken star Are That's the legal
Speaker 2: team he hired man these guys, and it was Roy
Speaker 2: Black's PI that went out and contacted all these little
Speaker 2: girls and stuff. He was giving them rental cars and
Speaker 2: you don't give them cars the drive around stuff like that,
Speaker 2: trying to.
Speaker 3: It was questioning them.
Speaker 2: The cops would go back to these girls and say, well,
Speaker 2: has anybody talked about this? And they said, yeah, this
Speaker 2: private investiay came me closer. What to say, open, It's
Speaker 2: already open. And then Epstein get this man, he went,
Speaker 2: I think we talked about this lesson.
Speaker 3: I was like show.
Speaker 2: He went and started investigating the federal prosecutor for the
Speaker 2: Southern District of Florida, Okay, which is.
Speaker 3: Just like trying Rudy Giuliani.
Speaker 2: We went up against Rudy Giuliani in New York City,
Speaker 2: so this would just be like trying to you know.
Speaker 2: And it was a big mafia case in New York
Speaker 2: City on the defense against Rudy Giuliani prosecuting us. And
Speaker 2: these guys never dreamed of saying, well, let's investigate Julianni
Speaker 2: to what he has to hide. They never dreamed to
Speaker 2: say this. Epstein says, let's investigate the prosecutor. Let's investigate
Speaker 2: his family. Let's see what a dirt we can dig
Speaker 2: up on him. They went after him, They went to
Speaker 2: his bosses, They went to Jeb Bush down in state
Speaker 2: of Florida. They went to Bill Clinton's I guess it
Speaker 2: was Clinton's White House to put pressure on the federal
Speaker 2: prosecutor to drop the charges can get him. And yeah,
Speaker 2: he wrote a three page letter about what he endured
Speaker 2: by this Epstein team against well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's not gloss over ken Starr being involved
Speaker 1: in it, because g doesn't that name sound familiar? You know,
Speaker 1: this is the guy who was what after Clinton for
Speaker 1: the you know, the Lewinsky deal, right, I mean it
Speaker 1: wasn't he the special prosecutor they brought in. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the same guy, aren't we.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same guy. But what I hear is
Speaker 2: he's been a fixer all along, Okay, way back. He
Speaker 2: was involved way back in me and Arkansas. Ken Starr
Speaker 2: all along throughout all this and he was also involved
Speaker 2: to in them that guy been s Foster case too.
Speaker 2: Ken Starr has been like a sweep up kind of guy,
Speaker 2: clean up kind of guy all along and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna just say you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: should explain to the listener what you mean by a
Speaker 1: fixer exactly, because you know, there's a lot of definitions
Speaker 1: that can be applied to that, you know, but when
Speaker 1: it comes to being in a legal position of being
Speaker 1: a fixer, this is the guy who who makes your
Speaker 1: problems go away basically.
Speaker 3: Right right.
Speaker 2: And while it may look like he was dogging Clinton,
Speaker 2: you know, ruthlessly, you know, he was really just putting
Speaker 2: on a show.
Speaker 3: And you know over Lewinsky crap when it was a
Speaker 3: time was.
Speaker 2: Much bigger stuff you can go after the Clinton's with
Speaker 2: rather than Lewinsky and Paula Jalonson this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, I always found that amazing too, is
Speaker 1: that you know, they never really went after the Clintons
Speaker 1: for the stuff that was big. It was always about
Speaker 1: you know, well, what about the Whitewater investment thing. I
Speaker 1: don't think that was that big a deal, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, when you look at it, that was
Speaker 1: nothing compared to you know, what was going on in
Speaker 1: in Mina and uh and and what you know what
Speaker 1: else he was trying to hide. I mean, always there's
Speaker 1: dirt on these guys, uh that they get to rise
Speaker 1: to a position of power. But what I find interesting
Speaker 1: years so far is that Trump is involved directly, okay,
Speaker 1: all over the place, and I don't see him being
Speaker 1: really called out on it.
Speaker 2: Nope. As a matter of fact, he seems to getting
Speaker 2: a total pass on this, which is amazing because there's
Speaker 2: a direct quote where he says, you know, Epstein's a
Speaker 2: great Guy's as friends for fifteen years. He loves beautiful women,
Speaker 2: some on the younger side. You know, he really enjoys
Speaker 2: the social life. There's a direct quote, you know, alluding
Speaker 2: and every I mean, by the way, at that point,
Speaker 2: everyone knew this guy was a pedophile because when you
Speaker 2: let's read the Vicky Ward articles for New York magazine,
Speaker 2: she talks about that they would they would be parties
Speaker 2: at his mansion in New York where they would be
Speaker 2: these really young girls, like fifteen year old girls dressed
Speaker 2: like from from the Eastern Europe, European blonde girls, you know,
Speaker 2: brought in from Russia, you know, like dress like processes
Speaker 2: like street walkers at these parties, like so out of place,
Speaker 2: and so you know, and it was like people were
Speaker 2: shocked by what was going on with this character. So
Speaker 2: it wasn't like this was a secret what was going
Speaker 2: on with this guy. So yeah, and you're right, Trump
Speaker 2: seems to land at his doorstep in so many ways.
Speaker 2: When you look at the Trump Modeling agency and all
Speaker 2: that stuff he's doing with that, When you look at
Speaker 2: the one of these victims worked for Trump and and
Speaker 2: her father worked for Trump. You know, you know, Trump
Speaker 2: had a lot of control of when you some of
Speaker 2: the stuff went on on Trump property. Because Prince Andrew
Speaker 2: was molested in this girl and he's right there at
Speaker 2: the tennis match. And I was reading an article today
Speaker 2: Prince Andrew, Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump all at this tennis
Speaker 2: match there on mar A Lago, Epstein and Prince Andrew
Speaker 2: staying at mar A Lago. So the pattern there is
Speaker 2: way too much to ignore. Then there's stuff about Marlon
Speaker 2: Maples when when she's talking about you know, this is
Speaker 2: when he was still married.
Speaker 3: She's married to Trump.
Speaker 1: And I was just gonna say, we got to remember
Speaker 1: that Marlon Maples was the you know, the wife after Ivana, right,
Speaker 1: And there's a whole thing about that too, where again
Speaker 1: they're giving him a they give him the past completely
Speaker 1: on all of this stuff, when you know they want
Speaker 1: to keep sticking to his statements in his Twitter feed,
Speaker 1: Like I said, But but they're not talking about his
Speaker 1: character when it comes to, you know, how he was
Speaker 1: handling things. He can call out Bill Clinton as a
Speaker 1: serial predator pretty much, but but nobody wants to talk
Speaker 1: about how this guy conducted himself for any of the stuff,
Speaker 1: because if they really start to dig, I think they
Speaker 1: find them all under the same pile of manure.
Speaker 4: You know, well, Marla Maples said when she was still
Speaker 4: married to him and he was buying a teen Miss Usa,
Speaker 4: she made a snide remark, well, that's right up your.
Speaker 2: Ally, right right in front of the Vanity Fair reporter,
Speaker 2: you know. Now by the way too, you know, there's
Speaker 2: a great video of a documentary that came out by
Speaker 2: this woman named Liby. I had her on the show
Speaker 2: and she did a Trump documentary. It's available only on iTunes,
Speaker 2: but if you google Libby l Ibby and then Trump documentary,
Speaker 2: it'll pop up. You can buy it on iTunes for
Speaker 2: two bucks. And there's all this kind of great film
Speaker 2: footage from way back in the eighties in New York City,
Speaker 2: which I'm sure you would remember. And it was this
Speaker 2: one thing about remember back in the eighties when they
Speaker 2: started doing that thing with the condo conversions. You could
Speaker 2: convert apartment buildings to co ops and condos. So the
Speaker 2: landlords were kicking people out and making people miserable and
Speaker 2: not removing Santa Fe and that's the providing water and
Speaker 2: stuff to get the tenant sounds that he could sell
Speaker 2: the apartment, right, And they have clips of Trump saying, well,
Speaker 2: we got to get these people out. I think I'm
Speaker 2: gonna turn this building into a homeless shelter and let
Speaker 2: homeless people come in here and take showers and stuff
Speaker 2: and use these apartments and take showers and stuff like that. Right,
Speaker 2: you know, you know what I mean, Why don't they
Speaker 2: play that stuff?
Speaker 1: It's about, Yeah, they won't touch it, and it's probably
Speaker 1: out there without you know, without too much of an
Speaker 1: effort to get hold of it. Right. There's all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff on this guy, like I cracked up the
Speaker 1: other day, just bringing on, you know, the discussion about Okay, look,
Speaker 1: in order to do any kind of work, let's just
Speaker 1: say on a large scale in the Northeast, you know
Speaker 1: you're going to absolutely bump up against Italian businessmen. Let's
Speaker 1: just say, okay, you know this is what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And I don't care what you're doing. If you have
Speaker 1: waste disposal, you have union involved, you have any kind
Speaker 1: of construction. Let's be honest. I mean it may not
Speaker 1: be the great, you know, situation where they were in
Speaker 1: control of everything back like they were then. Uh, but
Speaker 1: they're still involved everywhere. Okay, you can't have possibly had
Speaker 1: the type of experiences that Trump had as a developer,
Speaker 1: as a real estate guy, et cetera, et cetera, without
Speaker 1: having bumped into these guys. That's true, but he knew
Speaker 1: about it. It's not like, uh, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: like he just was doing a little bit of business
Speaker 1: with the devil because he knew that was the only
Speaker 1: way to get business done. He was perfectly fine with it.
Speaker 1: He was involved with these people. You know, you want
Speaker 1: to talk about the weddings. Take a look at all
Speaker 1: the guest lists on these weddings, right, he got all
Speaker 1: all sorts of interesting relatives of different people showing up.
Speaker 1: I mean he was intricately involved, or intricately involved. Let's
Speaker 1: just say with with lot of criminals, lots of politicians, anybody,
Speaker 1: and everybody who's palm could be greased in order to
Speaker 1: get something done Trump was involved with and it didn't
Speaker 1: matter for what the moral consequences of it was. And
Speaker 1: and that includes this Epsteine character. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: are we looking at somebody who? I mean? Yeah, goo ahead.
Speaker 2: In that documentary, I'm sorry to in that documentary it's
Speaker 2: talking about it talks about how when he built Trump Tower,
Speaker 2: he built it using cement and concrete. Now, back at
Speaker 2: that time, there was only one concrete company in New
Speaker 2: York City, Scare Mix, owned by Paul Castellano.
Speaker 3: Okay, And even though it.
Speaker 2: Costs more money to build the building using concrete and
Speaker 2: cement instead of steel, you know, he did it that way. Okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: that's his reason. But he's all he was in partnerships
Speaker 2: with Tony. Uh, that's only a Tony Cilano. That Tony Cilanti.
Speaker 2: He had a business with.
Speaker 1: Him, right, He was in a partnership with him in
Speaker 1: company he was tied to the You're right, there was
Speaker 1: only one cement company at the time Costellano was running that.
Speaker 1: If people don't know Costellano was, he was the boss
Speaker 1: of the Gambino family that winds up catching a bullet
Speaker 1: outside of sparks and then we got the rise of
Speaker 1: a guy like Gotti, and I guarantee you if you
Speaker 1: look hard enough, you'll probably find him doing some business
Speaker 1: with him as well. We run out of time in
Speaker 1: the first hour, but I'm telling you we're going to
Speaker 1: continue this discussion about Jeffrey Epstein in the second hour
Speaker 1: with my very special guest, Ed Opperman. And yes, all
Speaker 1: praise to Fierce Redmond, who I wish could have joined
Speaker 1: us tonight but wasn't able to. We will do a
Speaker 1: show with our friend from Porkins Policy Review very soon.
Speaker 1: But stay tuned to American Freedom Radio. Guys, The Ocelli
Speaker 1: Effect has another hour coming up, and we're gonna go deeper,
Speaker 1: stick around, designed.
Speaker 3: To make you think.
Speaker 1: And the thing is money credit.
Speaker 4: Soon you won't be able to buy with your monopoly money.
Speaker 2: Can you tell me? What?
Speaker 1: What? What? What? Kill? We are certainly talking about the
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein saga, Okay, And if you don't know who
Speaker 1: he is, you know you're gonna have to listen to
Speaker 1: the first hour. And really it's hard as guy is anyway.
Speaker 1: Like I said, the mysterious kind of stuff is how
Speaker 1: he's described in the press, and what do we have
Speaker 1: here buffs to Trump, to Clinton, et cetera, etra, and
Speaker 1: well a whole bunch of other people too. And I say, again,
Speaker 1: I don't know how a lot of this stuff goes
Speaker 1: on under the noses of so many people. Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: it isn't about how he had the files from some
Speaker 1: of these kids locally from their schools, which meant that
Speaker 1: somebody had to be assisting it. I mean, did anybody
Speaker 1: ever turn up who that might have been at No?
Speaker 2: And I just interviewed Kaschitah Saranoff, who just wrote the
Speaker 2: new book traffic King about Jeffrey Epstein. And as a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, she was formerly she had been acquaintances
Speaker 2: with Epstein and Kashlaine Maxwell on a social level in New.
Speaker 3: York City, and she runs this, I guess.
Speaker 2: A teen trafficking advocacy group in Washington, d C. And
Speaker 2: I was asking her. I kept ask him, how did
Speaker 2: you know he get those documents? But you know, how
Speaker 2: do you get these school transcripts in his on his
Speaker 2: desk during his search warn Obviously the cops thought was
Speaker 2: suspicious enough because they mentioned it, you know, in the
Speaker 2: problem cause EFFI David so very interesting.
Speaker 3: We don't know how he got them.
Speaker 2: But he has been involved in a lot of weird stuff,
Speaker 2: like I was telling you done in the Virgin Islands,
Speaker 2: all this stuff, a teen orchestra, a science there, a basketball,
Speaker 2: youth basketball. You know. He had another thing too with
Speaker 2: these with this ballet school. Well, he gave them a
Speaker 2: grant so that these ballerinas could go out and get massages.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, now, you know, look like like I
Speaker 1: was saying before, and and and I had to kind
Speaker 1: of put it in context with your run of the
Speaker 1: mill sort of predator, right, These guys often uh uh
Speaker 1: you know, and notice we're almost always talking about men,
Speaker 1: by the way, Usually female predators are a lot more rare.
Speaker 1: I've never been able to sort that one out, but
Speaker 1: let's put it aside for now. The thing is that
Speaker 1: these guys often insert themselves into situations, involve themselves and things,
Speaker 1: you know, like, gee, you know the old adage about
Speaker 1: the cub Scout leaders. You know, those single men who
Speaker 1: aren't married but want to be Cub Scout leaders. Raise eyebrows, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: the guys who are, you know, coaching a baseball team
Speaker 1: but they don't have a kid on the team, you know,
Speaker 1: or sometimes they do have a get on the team,
Speaker 1: and it's even stranger. But the thing is that a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys will insert themselves into these things.
Speaker 1: Now for these like upper crust sort of predators, the
Speaker 1: guys who have the bank to do things, what do
Speaker 1: they do. They establish whole organizations. They organize events, trips,
Speaker 1: all kinds of things so that they can get you
Speaker 1: know what a lazy Susan look at their desserts, you know,
Speaker 1: basically because they're they're they're shopping for victims, right, and
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: The kind of set up a modeling agency and import
Speaker 2: them from foreign countries. One of these and by the
Speaker 2: way to there's a girl that lives with epicein to
Speaker 2: this day that is described as being purchased from her
Speaker 2: parents in a in an East European country, and as
Speaker 2: another young girl who lives with him and hang in
Speaker 2: his little group that was a former Olympic athlete.
Speaker 3: She was a you know, like in the Olympics. But
Speaker 3: you know, when you look.
Speaker 2: At all this, it's still it's all in the same pattern.
Speaker 2: And it's in the same pattern too as well. With Cosby,
Speaker 2: who would be involved with these young actresses that he
Speaker 2: would be their mentor and stuff like that. And you
Speaker 2: hear about these girls who these big William Morris agencies
Speaker 2: will get them apartments and pay for their acting lessons
Speaker 2: and groom them up to be actresses. You know, where
Speaker 2: anybody else once again into the acting busy, get into
Speaker 2: the Hollywood. You know, no one's coming along doing all
Speaker 2: that stuff. Well you're waiting tables and trying to you know,
Speaker 2: audition for gigs and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real rare. I mean, look, there are occasions,
Speaker 1: and that's not to say that every time there is
Speaker 1: one of these backers who is doing it in a
Speaker 1: professional manner, giving an apartment, giving them a car, giving
Speaker 1: them stuff like that. Sometimes it is legitimate, and that
Speaker 1: is a way to sort of like, look, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make sure that all you've got to do is focus
Speaker 1: on your craft, your art, whatever it may be. I mean,
Speaker 1: I knew a guy who was a composer in New
Speaker 1: York City, one of my best friends, and he he
Speaker 1: composed ballets. Uh. The company that brought him to America. Okay,
Speaker 1: and this is a full grown man that brought him
Speaker 1: to America from Spain, all right, gave him an apartment,
Speaker 1: gave him a stipend gave him some things. So that listen,
Speaker 1: all you've got to do, my friend, is be here
Speaker 1: and do your thing, because we believe in you that much.
Speaker 1: That is part of the legitimate way of doing business. Right.
Speaker 1: But these predators, once again, if they've got the bank
Speaker 1: to work with, they can build I mean a huge
Speaker 1: like menagerie of this.
Speaker 5: Stuff stuff, right, yeah, you know, and with HB one
Speaker 5: versus you know, it's just it's just so freaking bizarre,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: You know we're talking before though, before we did the
Speaker 2: break up. Another thing about Trump is I don't feel
Speaker 2: familiar with the who story about Trump and his helicopter pilot.
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard part of it. But let's let's
Speaker 1: lay it out like one oh one for everybody real quick.
Speaker 2: Trump had this long time helicopter pilot who had a
Speaker 2: history of smuggling marijuana and cocaine and stuff like that
Speaker 2: just happened to be Trump's pilot too. Now, then he
Speaker 2: gets arrested for smuggling drugs. Now, But during that tiny
Speaker 2: little period of time when he gets arrested, he's not
Speaker 2: working for Trump, supposing, and then who does he wind
Speaker 2: up in front of in court when he's you know,
Speaker 2: his case is about to be prosecuted. Donald Trump's sister
Speaker 2: is the judge in the case.
Speaker 1: Now. Now, look, nobody even talks about his sister very much.
Speaker 1: But when they started talking about when they started talking
Speaker 1: about the remember the whole Well, if I was to
Speaker 1: pick a Supreme Court justice, right, I don't even think
Speaker 1: that's part of the news cycle anymore. But if I'm
Speaker 1: going to pick a Supreme Court justice, and then you know,
Speaker 1: the newspeople said, well, maybe he'd pick his sister. Interesting
Speaker 1: character she is, though, Yeah, Well.
Speaker 2: She worked for the Department of a Justice, you know,
Speaker 2: before she became a federal judge. So all this time
Speaker 2: when when Trump's getting you know, DOJ lawsuits for discrimination
Speaker 2: on his properties and stuff like that, she's working over
Speaker 2: there in that department and made no secret about it
Speaker 2: that Trump was her brother.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember too.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of good stuff in this Libby documentary.
Speaker 2: I was telling you about this that was suppressed, you know,
Speaker 2: back in the eighties and the nineties, and it'll bring
Speaker 2: back a lot of your memories. One of the things
Speaker 2: he talks about, too, is about how a bean was
Speaker 2: high school friends with Trump's father and a beam at
Speaker 2: one time at a party or something put his arm
Speaker 2: around Donald Trump and said, this young man gets whatever
Speaker 2: he asked for, okay, you know, And that was the
Speaker 2: whole thing with the woman rank in Central Parking stuff.
Speaker 3: That was all a bean stuff, you know. So so
Speaker 3: Trump's had a free ride his whole life.
Speaker 2: And also too, if you go back to ad Bean,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff too with him, you know,
Speaker 2: And a lot of stuff were up for the whole
Speaker 2: Son of Sam stuff by the way too, And we're
Speaker 2: really getting into a far field, but you know, you know,
Speaker 2: all that stuff, okay, with the Son of Sam murders
Speaker 2: in New York City in the seventies under eighteen, where
Speaker 2: the Queen's prosecutor dropped the ball on that supposedly or
Speaker 2: covered things up. There's a lot of facts about that. Now,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff that's not very widely reported.
Speaker 2: But this Son of Sam cult, these kids called the
Speaker 2: children that were in Yonkers there in Undermeyer Park doing
Speaker 2: all that stuff. Those guys used to hang out at
Speaker 2: Studio fifty four. This was not some kind of you know,
Speaker 2: rag tag bunch.
Speaker 1: No, this wasn't like a bunch of homeless kids underneath
Speaker 1: bridges sacrificing cats, which was there, by the way also,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, no, these were actually kids
Speaker 1: who had some means.
Speaker 2: Right, under Meyer Park was in a cult. This thing
Speaker 2: is in a cult creation. The stones for Undermeyer Park
Speaker 2: were brought here from England. Okay, this is an occult
Speaker 2: location in the United States, has no doubt about that,
Speaker 2: where this stuff is going on. But these these processed people,
Speaker 2: these son of Sam process people, used to hang out
Speaker 2: at Studio fifty four. And allegedly one of the people
Speaker 2: was in this little mix of people was Roy Cohen,
Speaker 2: the attorney Roy Cohen, the homosexual attorney by the way,
Speaker 2: then at a Studio fifty four and who is he?
Speaker 3: Lawyer for Donald Trump? Yeah, we attorney.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, as well as being involved with McCarthy, as
Speaker 1: well as being in all sorts of interesting adventures as
Speaker 1: Roy Cohne character who later on you know, of course, died,
Speaker 1: died of aids, right, And that was the amazing epitaph
Speaker 1: to his story. After you know, attacking people for being
Speaker 1: homosexuals publicly, attacking people for being a communist publicly, all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It turns out that this guy,
Speaker 1: this guy hasn't hasn't as yet untold story in my estimation.
Speaker 1: So you know, there you go, we were trying.
Speaker 2: To by the way, too, you know, we just found
Speaker 2: we were trying to do a show on Roy Cohen, right,
Speaker 2: and so we started looking up who can we get
Speaker 2: him to book for Roy Cohen? And then we found
Speaker 2: out that John Holmes, the porn star, used to fly
Speaker 2: on Roy Cohen's plane with Roy Cohen, hang out with
Speaker 2: Roy Cohen. Who's get hired to go there and hang
Speaker 2: out with Roy Cohen? And that's how we booked Sally,
Speaker 2: that girl Deborah Schiller, who was John Holmes girlfriend, the
Speaker 2: little teenage girlfriend that we had in that show I
Speaker 2: did with the John Holmes girlfriend show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was well John John Holmes. And you know
Speaker 1: John Holmes turns up in a lot of odd places too,
Speaker 1: doesn't he.
Speaker 2: The Wonderland Murders, Yeah, you know, and by the way,
Speaker 2: let's let's even more okay, wonder Land Murders down there
Speaker 2: involves what it involves Scott Thwarton, Right. Scott Thorton, who
Speaker 2: was a liberation the boy toy LEBRONCEI got his hands
Speaker 2: on his kid when he was fifteen years old. And
Speaker 2: sort of doing plastic surgery in his face and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Scott Dawson was Michael Jackson's boyfriend. As a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, there's a picture of Scott Dawson, Michael Jackson,
Speaker 2: and Liberaci in a convertible rolls Royce on Buckingham Palace. Okay,
Speaker 2: characters hang it out together now, then you go back
Speaker 2: full circle.
Speaker 3: Okay, back to Trump.
Speaker 2: Okay, Michael Jackson around at the same time as roy
Speaker 2: Con has hand out Studio fifty four. Michael Jackson is
Speaker 2: on the Broadway play The Wiz. He's hanging out at
Speaker 2: Studio fifty four until the wee hours of the morning,
Speaker 2: and his sister LaToya Jackson said he would come home
Speaker 2: with fresh baby diapers, infant diapers, soiled diapers with urine
Speaker 2: and baby poop in these diapers. Where was he getting
Speaker 2: it from? Coming from Studio fifty four bringing it home.
Speaker 1: It's so totally bizarre all the you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much seriously to take from LaToya. You know,
Speaker 1: she seems to be Look, I'm not blaming her because
Speaker 1: I think something was severely traumatized her at some point,
Speaker 1: just based on my observations of you know, of of her,
Speaker 1: her body language, okay, her speech patterns. They suggest to
Speaker 1: me that that she has been through some pretty nasty things.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what. I don't want to make any
Speaker 1: kind of statements about exactly what. But but don't you
Speaker 1: get that same sense from her though? And you're not
Speaker 1: quite sure on occasion exactly how connected the reality she is? Yes?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and she lived and she might still live here
Speaker 2: in Henderson right by me. In fact, we used to
Speaker 2: go to the same dry cleaners together.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: She always looked beautiful and very expensive outfits, very expensive car.
Speaker 3: But she was married to Jack Gordon. Okay.
Speaker 2: Now, Jack Gordon was a pimp, a full blown pimp.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He ran massage pollers. All of his partners wound up dead.
Speaker 2: There's a story about how he paid off Harry Reid
Speaker 2: and then when Harry Reid didn't do what he was
Speaker 2: supposed to do, Harry Reid's car blew up.
Speaker 3: Okay, and Jack Gordon was spos to be behind that.
Speaker 3: I believe that story.
Speaker 1: Okay, So oh no, Jack Jack Gordon was was clearly
Speaker 1: like a serious thug. I mean, there's no no doubt
Speaker 1: about that in my mind.
Speaker 2: And a pimp and that was his business, was pimp
Speaker 2: so you know, and you know LaToya Jackson was a
Speaker 2: victim of sexual abuse too as well. I'm obviously you know,
Speaker 2: it's clear with this whole bunch, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of these Jackson brothers too. You know,
Speaker 2: the two of the Jackson brothers have a baby with
Speaker 2: the same woman. You know, the two brothers both have
Speaker 2: babies with this one woman. You know, it goes back
Speaker 2: and forth between them. The whole Jackson man was the
Speaker 2: whole other story. But again, Michael Jackson connects to Studio
Speaker 2: fifty four, but also to back around at the same
Speaker 2: time to who odd non Koshogi, Michael Jackson, Elizabeth Taylor,
Speaker 2: who's that other one? Uh, Lizabetail sex husband who just
Speaker 2: died recently, that character all partying on odd non Koshogi's boat.
Speaker 2: Now Odd Non Koshogi supposedly sold that boat to Donald Trump, right,
Speaker 2: and it was the biggest yacht in the world, the Princess,
Speaker 2: I think it was called the Pacific Princess something like that.
Speaker 3: He sold it to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: But yet Koshoki was still allowed to throw parties on
Speaker 2: that boat, so they had some kind of partnership deal
Speaker 2: going on with that boat where they were boat saying
Speaker 2: that they owned the boat. Okay, Adnan Koshogi international arms dealer,
Speaker 2: involved with the Iran contra, involved with everything. Man, you
Speaker 2: got to look into Shogi. This guy's involved in everything
Speaker 2: that's gone on in the past, the twenty thirty years.
Speaker 2: I just had Peter deal Scott on the show talking about.
Speaker 1: Right, and Peter Peter Dell Scott makes some very interesting
Speaker 1: points about Koshogi and knows exactly about how he's tied
Speaker 1: into a whole lot of this stuff. I mean, intelligence
Speaker 1: agencies know who this guy is. You know, arms dealers
Speaker 1: know exactly who this guy is. I mean he is,
Speaker 1: He's definitely a player. And meanwhile Trump has some sort
Speaker 1: of comfortable relationship with him where he buys a yacht
Speaker 1: but still lends it out to the former owner. That's
Speaker 1: pretty bizarre in and of itself. I'm telling you, people
Speaker 1: don't recognize you know, they talk about like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, Hillary, Hillary whatever, she is a criminal? Sure
Speaker 1: has she been involved in all kinds of dirty things? Yes?
Speaker 1: Is you know even today, right, we have the you know,
Speaker 1: the the the distinct idea coming out that hey, look
Speaker 1: you know what, she acted inappropriately here and all this
Speaker 1: other stuff, and she gets away with it. She gets
Speaker 1: away with it, She gets away with it. I get that,
Speaker 1: And people go, welld you know, Trump doesn't know anything
Speaker 1: to anybody, and he's not the you know, the same
Speaker 1: kind of politician. All this guy is is the same
Speaker 1: kind of criminal in my estimation as all these other
Speaker 1: people that we complain about. Okay, except one thing. He
Speaker 1: never actually held public office. That's the only difference other
Speaker 1: than that, this guy's hands are dirty. This guy business
Speaker 1: is dirty. Everything about him seems to lead to you know,
Speaker 1: I mean pedophiles, people who are running effectively and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say bluntly slavery rings of all sorts. Okay, He's
Speaker 1: taken advantage of people that you know, either through his
Speaker 1: businesses or his friends, are taking advantage of people that
Speaker 1: are vulnerable because they're coming to this country and they've
Speaker 1: got no way to do any sort of protection of
Speaker 1: themselves personally as a con constant and even praying upon children.
Speaker 1: And it's like nobody seems to want to hear this
Speaker 1: among the you know, Oh, Trump's a good guy. He's
Speaker 1: actually telling it like it is, and he's just not
Speaker 1: hiding his criminality as well. But it doesn't matter because
Speaker 1: nobody's calling him out on it.
Speaker 2: Just his connections to Koshogi alone should should terrify people,
Speaker 2: because when Koshogi was he had all his financial problems
Speaker 2: and he was duck in subpoenas. He was hiding out
Speaker 2: at mar Lago. Okay, you know, and by the way,
Speaker 2: mar a Lago is not just a resort. Trump lives
Speaker 2: on that property when he's down in Palm Beach. He
Speaker 2: lives there, so he's walking around. People see him there,
Speaker 2: walking around. You know, people used to see him walking around,
Speaker 2: by the way, walking around Trump Tower in Manhattan. He's
Speaker 2: a hidden away guy. You know, maybe now more recently
Speaker 2: after they practice and stuff. But Koshogi also is a pimp,
Speaker 2: by the way, who is always denied using prostitutes to
Speaker 2: get his contracts, arms deals and his contract stuff. But
Speaker 2: he was also a drug dealer. He had his own
Speaker 2: airstrip down the Bahamas doing all that drug period. You know,
Speaker 2: I'll say the stuff a lot.
Speaker 1: Of I'm sorry your skype broke up a little bit.
Speaker 1: These guys are always doing like this high level business
Speaker 1: and you know, as a sidebar to it, there's always
Speaker 1: these prostitutes and and plenty of drugs that go around.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the way big business is done.
Speaker 1: It seems like to me. I wouldn't know, because I've
Speaker 1: never been involved in figures that low arch, but it
Speaker 1: seems to me as though every time I turn around,
Speaker 1: when there's millions and possibly even billions of dollars being exchanged,
Speaker 1: you know, it comes along with the territory. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be hookers, there's gonna be drugs, there's going to be this,
Speaker 1: that and the third thing, and pretty much anything you
Speaker 1: want can be ordered up if you've got the cash
Speaker 1: to to deserve it. You know, in those circles, it
Speaker 1: seems like and you know, one of the things that
Speaker 1: stuck with me during one of your one of your
Speaker 1: shows that I was listening to, is when you just
Speaker 1: basically stopped for a second and said, you know, when
Speaker 1: when people go to Vegas and they want to talk
Speaker 1: to me about, gee, you know, hook me up with
Speaker 1: the hookers and all that stuff, the fact is that
Speaker 1: that you know enough about the reality of that business
Speaker 1: to to not want to be involved, and you don't
Speaker 1: realize what you're asking me when you're asking me is
Speaker 1: what you said on your show. I remember you saying that,
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking to myself, this is a guy
Speaker 1: who actually is aware of what that really means. I mean,
Speaker 1: there is a serious sin of slavery, that is, you know,
Speaker 1: preying upon children and women and young girls and even
Speaker 1: young boys. That is a worldwide syndicate. I mean it
Speaker 1: bunches up in certain places, but the fact is there's
Speaker 1: a worldwide syndicate. And really even in your neighborhood, no
Speaker 1: matter who you are where you're listening to this right now,
Speaker 1: somewhere in your neighborhood, there is probably individuals who are
Speaker 1: completely vulnerable, that are absolute captives of somebody who is
Speaker 1: a pimp. And that's why you can hear a level
Speaker 1: of disgust in your voice when you use the word pimp. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know that, and I wanted to point that out
Speaker 1: to the listeners right here because I think you know,
Speaker 1: from an objective point of view, prostitution if it was
Speaker 1: you know, what, if somebody decided to sell their body
Speaker 1: or sell their services. I mean people do that all
Speaker 1: the time. People that are essentially captive, that are slaves
Speaker 1: to somebody else. This is there are so many different
Speaker 1: levels and so many different layers of filth involved in
Speaker 1: that sphere. I think I think people don't realize what
Speaker 1: they're dipping themselves into when they encourage it. Uh uh,
Speaker 1: you know, traffic in it or participate in it in
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. I know it's off topic here, ed,
Speaker 1: but you know, am I am I inaccurate in your
Speaker 1: restumation here?
Speaker 2: No, you're right, or even trivialize it, you know, like
Speaker 2: it's like the happy hooker, you know, because even when
Speaker 2: you look into these stories like Linda Lovelace and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, in her whole you know, someone who really
Speaker 2: promoted this whole thing and took it to another level,
Speaker 2: you know, when you let you hear the real story
Speaker 2: behind that. The poor woman was so abused. You know,
Speaker 2: it's to such a level and and it, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: whole prostitution thing is really horrible, from from Craigslist all
Speaker 2: the way onto Dennis Hoff you know, who's kind of
Speaker 2: a friend of mine, and I've had them on the show,
Speaker 2: we've talked off the air, and but even that level
Speaker 2: of legal prostitution was supposed to be so fine, and
Speaker 2: well it's really not.
Speaker 3: You know, Uh, you're right if someone is just a.
Speaker 2: Woman who needs to pay some bills, you know, and
Speaker 2: she's not being uh you know, like pimped out, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like in prisons and drugged and beaten.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Okay, if you want to do that, I can find
Speaker 3: to any I know, people.
Speaker 2: Are liberals, you know whatever, in free spirits all that fine,
Speaker 2: this stuff is great. Uh but but you're right, man,
Speaker 2: it's it's just when you with the real industry of
Speaker 2: prostitution and even pornography too.
Speaker 3: Uh you know, it's it's it's an ugly it's an
Speaker 3: ugly business.
Speaker 2: And and and but Koshogi though, was a pimp as
Speaker 2: well to get these arms deals. One of his prostitutes
Speaker 2: was Paul McCartney's wife, Heather Mills. And also too. Google
Speaker 2: a non Koshogi Paris Hilton, and you will see a
Speaker 2: series of photos. Okay, guys where on on Koshogi was
Speaker 2: throwing this party. And I even interviewed this guy too,
Speaker 2: who went down to Kashowgi's a sex palace, this sex
Speaker 2: dungeon down there in Spain.
Speaker 3: Or wherever it was.
Speaker 2: And there's a series of photos where Kashogi's throwing this
Speaker 2: party and all is the young starlets Paris Hilton and
Speaker 2: Chloe Savoni, that girl you know, uh starts showing up
Speaker 2: to this party.
Speaker 3: And they show up to the party and they're all
Speaker 3: bright eyed and happy and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Ten fifteen minutes later down the series of these pictures,
Speaker 2: they are zonked out.
Speaker 3: Man, they are zomked out on some kind of serious dope.
Speaker 2: They're nodding out and they're passing out, you know, at
Speaker 2: this freaking party. So there's something going on at these parties,
Speaker 2: and you get it's right on the internet. You can
Speaker 2: find on Google.
Speaker 1: No. And I made that point, you know, when we
Speaker 1: first started talking about the cosm thing, where you know,
Speaker 1: you go to some of these higher level parties where
Speaker 1: you got rich people that are there that are actually
Speaker 1: the financial backers. And I mean I only got to
Speaker 1: witness this in the entertainment industry some you know, because
Speaker 1: I never made it to the higher echelon, let's say,
Speaker 1: But I mean just being able to kind of hang
Speaker 1: around some of those people. You see this happening constantly,
Speaker 1: and anybody who's there, you know, who goes there of
Speaker 1: their own free will. I'm not talking about the hired
Speaker 1: help again here, but I'm talking about those who go
Speaker 1: there of their own free will are kind of aware
Speaker 1: that this is exactly the way things are done. You know,
Speaker 1: women get drugged, men get drugged. Even in some of
Speaker 1: these cases, that's an underreported thing. By the way, lots
Speaker 1: of these male figures in the entertainment industry, if you
Speaker 1: get them to break down for you a little bit,
Speaker 1: they'll tell you some pretty earthshaking stories about sexual abuse
Speaker 1: and all kinds of wild things that go on. It's
Speaker 1: you know, it's not just women, but it's primary, you know,
Speaker 1: it's more prominent among you know, there's more female victims,
Speaker 1: let's just say, than there are male victims. But it's
Speaker 1: not as though there are hardly any male victims here.
Speaker 1: There are lots of people that are preyed upon by
Speaker 1: those in the in the higher sort of you know,
Speaker 1: again the upper echelon of finance, right, And this is
Speaker 1: something that goes on and on and on and on,
Speaker 1: and it's just one of those like sickening cycles. And
Speaker 1: I said that, you know, if you've got a situation
Speaker 1: where Cosby's involved in those kind of circles, I'm not
Speaker 1: so shocked now if he's drugging women, you know, and
Speaker 1: the way the stories are coming out and all that.
Speaker 1: That's that's a different story to me. But if you
Speaker 1: go to one of these parties, you know, again of
Speaker 1: your own free will. You're not brought in there. You're
Speaker 1: not being hustled in there and hustled out and you know,
Speaker 1: and kept in a box like a veal somewhere in
Speaker 1: a hotel room and not allowed to have, you know,
Speaker 1: a cell phone or contact with the outside world like
Speaker 1: some of these women get treated. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: you know, kind of what you're going in for. And
Speaker 1: men and women both quite often they would say, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got hurt and things went wrong and things happened
Speaker 1: that I didn't want. But the truth is I kind
Speaker 1: of knew that this was going to be the the
Speaker 1: dangerous situation, and I was placing myself in. But when
Speaker 1: you're talking about somebody being a pimp, I mean, what
Speaker 1: you mean is that this is somebody who has control
Speaker 1: over other human beings, you know, I mean, uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's like a mind control thing. It's a it's it's
Speaker 1: a level of abuse and captivity that their victims are
Speaker 1: kept in that's uh not appreciated I think by the
Speaker 1: general public. In any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2: An Yeah, even if you got some kid, because you know,
Speaker 2: you see it here a lot in Vegas, And if
Speaker 2: you had some kid who was just has no no nothing,
Speaker 2: no other no no hope, no other hope, no other
Speaker 2: way of making a living. My client Shelley trip up
Speaker 2: there in Alaska, you know, when she was doing a
Speaker 2: little happy endings with a little massage business. You know
Speaker 2: she had she had no other hope, She did nothing,
Speaker 2: no other opportunity to get out of that.
Speaker 3: She was dead broken.
Speaker 2: But what are you gonna be on the street next
Speaker 2: you and then you wind up, you know, with some guy,
Speaker 2: and I mean it's all downhill from there, you know.
Speaker 2: But but these are the guys, the kind and these
Speaker 2: are the kind of a Trump's always hung out with,
Speaker 2: you know, even back in New York, even back in
Speaker 2: the eighties and stuff like that. You know, even with
Speaker 2: when he had trump uh Plaza in New York City.
Speaker 2: Everyone knew that there were certain floors on Trump Plaza
Speaker 2: you can only get into it with a special key
Speaker 2: card in the elevator. Was like a membership thing, you know.
Speaker 2: And all of the strippers from Scores, they all knew
Speaker 2: about it. They were all going up there every night
Speaker 2: after the scores. You know, there was a whole thing
Speaker 2: going on. This isn't a mystery to anybody from New
Speaker 2: York City that I know of. You know, this is
Speaker 2: all very well known stuff. Uh uh and in the
Speaker 2: same thing and the same thing in Atlantic City.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You you know, you know very well that you
Speaker 1: you could buy invite okay, when they first came out
Speaker 1: with those uh with those card keys, right, you know,
Speaker 1: the little credit cards right that you could get handed
Speaker 1: certain ones if you were or you know, high roller
Speaker 1: or you were a high profile guy whatever, and you
Speaker 1: could get access to areas at at the casino even
Speaker 1: where they had the hotels, you know, and there were
Speaker 1: certain floors which were known about. And that was in
Speaker 1: ac also you know.
Speaker 3: Not goes to at the airports too, by the way, Okay.
Speaker 1: Now see I never heard about the airports, but I
Speaker 1: knew about the hotels. I knew about the casinos. I
Speaker 1: knew about you know, there was a couple other things
Speaker 1: that seemed to be connected in one way or another
Speaker 1: because if you went to certain certain strip clubs that
Speaker 1: seemed to be there temporarily or certain massage parlors, you know,
Speaker 1: and you wanted to get a little some private time
Speaker 1: with certain women. A lot of them had ready already,
Speaker 1: you know, the key cards in their little purses, and
Speaker 1: you know, you could make an arrangement. Of course, you
Speaker 1: made an arrangement with another guy who was standing next
Speaker 1: to you at the strip club or whatever. But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is this kind of business was being done.
Speaker 1: You know, the independence were tolerated there, and there seemed
Speaker 1: to be this other, you know, segregated section where if
Speaker 1: you were a big kind of deal you would get
Speaker 1: invited into. And uh and and that's I didn't even
Speaker 1: think to bring that up, actually, but that was just
Speaker 1: a well known fact, you know.
Speaker 2: Also to the whole Atlantic city stuff. Okay, listen, there
Speaker 2: was a whole thing going on to an Atlantic seat.
Speaker 2: And when gambling first was getting started in the casinos
Speaker 2: down were first getting started back in the eighties, where
Speaker 2: it was well known in New York and in Brooklyn
Speaker 2: that if you could lure some drug dealers down there
Speaker 2: to to do a deal in these hotels, that the
Speaker 2: security guards at the hotel would help you rip these
Speaker 2: guys off. Okay, you could do a drag grip off
Speaker 2: at these in Atlantic City hotels, and it was all protected,
Speaker 2: all controlled.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, look, I'll say i'll say a name
Speaker 1: right now that that I know, you know, not necessarily
Speaker 1: him directly, but people that ended up in his crew.
Speaker 1: A Scarfo's guy right, used to do that routinely. They
Speaker 1: would come across because it was only you got to realize,
Speaker 1: New Jersey's a very narrow state. So in less than
Speaker 1: an hour you can go from the Pennsylvania border to
Speaker 1: Atlantic City without a problem, even with traffic. Okay, So
Speaker 1: these guys would come into town and they would bring
Speaker 1: somebody in from New York. They'd split it up, and
Speaker 1: any of these hotels or whatever would sort of you know, now,
Speaker 1: I didn't happen to see the guy. I got a
Speaker 1: signature card here, but it's scribble, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You got no idea who was who who got knocked over?
Speaker 1: Even if a body turned up, they would go, you know, unclaimed.
Speaker 1: It was just the way it was because look, a
Speaker 1: drug trafficker is not going to tell his family where
Speaker 1: he went, you know, So these guys would disappear. Sometimes
Speaker 1: these guys would end up you know, yeah, okay, the
Speaker 1: cops got to come and scrape things up. But we
Speaker 1: used to call it, you know, the bucket of blood
Speaker 1: hotels on the strip there. And we're not talking about
Speaker 1: the nice casinos or anything like that, but the little ones,
Speaker 1: you know out by the beach that are supposed to
Speaker 1: be there for the tourists, right, the ones you're talking about,
Speaker 1: the little the little older uh script type motels like
Speaker 1: uh like the additional part of the like like what
Speaker 1: the Bates Motel looks like, almost but without the big house.
Speaker 1: This is what we're talking.
Speaker 2: About, right, No, I'm telling you, I'm telling a boy
Speaker 2: some of the big name hotels down there that the
Speaker 2: word was that if you could lure a guy down there,
Speaker 2: that they would help you rip him off.
Speaker 1: But they but they used to do that at those
Speaker 1: two which you're just outside of the strip.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't know it that well, I don't
Speaker 2: know what I'm going to say that. Well, hey, but
Speaker 2: what do you know about the whole deal with Trump
Speaker 2: and MERV Griffin? Uh, with that whole bidding war that
Speaker 2: went on. We basically MERV Griffin won and and out
Speaker 2: smart Trump in every possible way.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that was during the time when he
Speaker 1: when he over overdid it and uh, one of his
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 3: We had Resorts International.
Speaker 2: MERV Griffin owned Resorts International, and they were both bidden
Speaker 2: for the same property. And then merv Adam bid all
Speaker 2: the stuff up. And it's funny too because at the
Speaker 2: same time that was going on, that that MERVH. Griffin
Speaker 2: was eating Donald Trump's lunch and taking this guy to
Speaker 2: the bank. Uh, Murph Griffin, who was homosexual as well,
Speaker 2: was chasing around that guy Denny Terrio from Dance Fever
Speaker 2: and Danny Terrio.
Speaker 3: Danny Terrio was had to file like.
Speaker 2: A sexual harassment suit against Merph Griffin, you know, because
Speaker 2: at the time, Danny Terrio was roommates with my girlfriend's brother,
Speaker 2: so we knew the whole story.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he lived in New York. Terrio was actually
Speaker 1: involved in the club scene in New York a lot.
Speaker 1: That's kind of how he got picked out of that,
Speaker 1: you know, to be brought in there, I think is
Speaker 1: because he was just like a constantly present figure there.
Speaker 1: I heard about that stuff secondhand, you know. But h
Speaker 1: but no, you knew his roommates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his roommate was my girlfriend's brother.
Speaker 1: Wommates you know. Uh, yeah, it's just so much No,
Speaker 1: but I remember that he actually was like he wouldn't
Speaker 1: leave him alone, is what the story was like. He
Speaker 1: was constantly on this guy and uh yeah, Danny Terryo
Speaker 1: from Dance Fever.
Speaker 2: Mark was in love with him then, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, Merv, you know, was beating Trump,
Speaker 2: you know, at every game there, you know, and when
Speaker 2: you see and then Trump after Trump lost, he put
Speaker 2: out all this press stuff like that, saying he won,
Speaker 2: he won, he beat Marv Griffin, and they would interview
Speaker 2: Merv Griffin and he would just smile and said, I
Speaker 2: got everything I wanted. I got everything I wanted.
Speaker 1: You know, because he over extended himself so bad trying
Speaker 1: to beat Merv at everything. There's one of his bankruptcies,
Speaker 1: right yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, my god.
Speaker 2: The whole Trump thing is just so obnoxious it's not
Speaker 2: even funny. And then he got his whole connection to
Speaker 2: Al Sharpton. You know, these two guys a longtime buddies.
Speaker 2: Al Sharpton was trying to get into a boxing right
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Now, that's not too unusual. Look, this is previous to
Speaker 1: the days that he basically resembles a bobblehead version of
Speaker 1: himself on MSNBC, right but when he was still running
Speaker 1: around in the track suits and all that, he was
Speaker 1: definitely a self promoter kind of guy. And this is
Speaker 1: during the time when there were lots of people that
Speaker 1: you could run into that called themselves promoters and and
Speaker 1: and things like that. And of course the boxing scene
Speaker 1: on the East Coast at that time was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I do recall that that was one of
Speaker 1: the REVS businesses that he was trying to get into
Speaker 1: in between fighting with you know, Roy Ennis on the
Speaker 1: Morton Downey Junior Show and all that.
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, go about that.
Speaker 2: You know, a Trump's I mean a Sharpton's girlfriend had
Speaker 2: an apartment at Trump's Tower is one thing, right, And
Speaker 2: also too, you know that Rogers Stone ran Al Sharpton's
Speaker 2: presidential campaign, the same guy that runs Trump's campaign right now.
Speaker 2: Rogers Stone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the off the books guy that you know was
Speaker 1: dismissed from the campaign. I'm holding up air quotes for
Speaker 1: you at home. Who's dismissed from the campaign. I literally
Speaker 1: call him Donald Trump's brain. You know, they used to
Speaker 1: say that Carl Rove was George W. Bush's brain. Now
Speaker 1: I really think that Roger Stone is actually Donald Trump's brain.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well he brought in that guy Manicourt from
Speaker 2: Manifort Manicurt. Uh, we have Paul Manicourt, who there's a
Speaker 2: whole thing. Then these guys are outed that these were
Speaker 2: these guys will call me the the torturers lobbyists. Uh,
Speaker 2: way back when this is the whole mixing bunch coming back.
Speaker 2: Roger Stone, Uh.
Speaker 3: Who's that guy?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: The speech writer, Pat Buchanan and Paul Maniford.
Speaker 2: You know this, guys, you know we're bringing back Nixon
Speaker 2: with with that Sharpton thrown in because Al is so
Speaker 2: connected to all this crap, it's not even funny.
Speaker 3: Al Sharpton, by the way, the.
Speaker 2: FBI asset that worked undercover for the FBI running around
Speaker 2: wire tapping everybody all over New York City making cases
Speaker 2: against mafia guys, the same mafia guys as Sharpen that
Speaker 2: Trump is dealing with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all bizarre thing too. Yeah, what was his
Speaker 1: confidential informat number?
Speaker 2: Again, I forget, I don't know the number.
Speaker 3: But he had a phone.
Speaker 2: He had a phone in his apartment, a Sharpton that
Speaker 2: when he picked it up, the FBI had an open
Speaker 2: line to that phone, listening to every phone call live
Speaker 2: on that line. Okay, he had a special phone, plus
Speaker 2: that little briefcase used to carry around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now we know what was in the briefcase.
Speaker 3: It was wired up. Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's so it's so amazing to watch all these interesting
Speaker 1: people come together and you wonder, you know exactly how
Speaker 1: dirty each other hands are, But they're all stuck in
Speaker 1: the same slop sink as far as I'm concerned. You know,
Speaker 1: That's what it comes down to when you talk about
Speaker 1: And it's amazing to me because again, I see legitimate
Speaker 1: people that want to get behind Bernie Sanders. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I see legitimate people, as dumb as it seems, want
Speaker 1: to get behind Donald Trump. I don't run into Hillary supporters.
Speaker 1: I recently had somebody tell me that they actually knew
Speaker 1: some but and you know what, until I see it,
Speaker 1: I ain't believe in it because everywhere I go and
Speaker 1: anybody I talk to pretty much, for the most part,
Speaker 1: you can't find anybody who's passionately backing you know, Schillery Hillary,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call her, who is effectively really
Speaker 1: the neocon that's being presented to us. And at the
Speaker 1: same time, you know, it's like, well, this guy's different.
Speaker 1: How is he different? I don't get it. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, the only difference I see is that
Speaker 1: instead of holding political office okay, and getting his TV
Speaker 1: time that way, he actually got a paycheck from the
Speaker 1: TV networks. And now instead of him paying to be
Speaker 1: on television constantly, they cover him for free continuously. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't have to spend campaign dollars to get
Speaker 1: his advertising. He's got it for free as a constant.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, it's not like he's any different than any
Speaker 1: other criminal. You can tie these people all sorts of
Speaker 1: criminal enterprises, disgusting human beings like this Epstein. I mean,
Speaker 1: what else can you say? And I'm telling you watch,
Speaker 1: by the way, watch that lawn order sbu thing if
Speaker 1: you get a chance at if you got Netflix or something,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's on there. It is really eerie, some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that's going on there. You know, the
Speaker 1: girl that's procuring, the interesting way the girls are getting
Speaker 1: sent out, the massage, which is the whole The character
Speaker 1: who would be representative of Epstein effectively winds up actually
Speaker 1: saying that he was raped by one of the girls
Speaker 1: at one point in his defense, but other than that,
Speaker 1: it's really bizarre. And somebody else brought that up to
Speaker 1: me on the Skype here. I got a bunch of
Speaker 1: Skype messages while we were talking about all this stuff.
Speaker 2: By the way, yet, so.
Speaker 1: It's really really bizarre to see this. You know, would
Speaker 1: you even want these people to come to a barbecue
Speaker 1: at your house? You know what I'm saying if you
Speaker 1: knew all of the dirty, disgusting things that they're involved in,
Speaker 1: all of the illegitimate business, all the criminality, all of
Speaker 1: the people that are being shuffled around, you know, in
Speaker 1: order to service other individuals who are being chewed up
Speaker 1: and spit out as slaves, all of the profitteering on
Speaker 1: other people's misery and all that stuff. And meanwhile they
Speaker 1: end up on television with people cheering for him. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's such a backwards world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you're absolutely right. These are such sleazy
Speaker 2: people in every possible way, way beyond what you would
Speaker 2: would accept, you know, in your own home or as
Speaker 2: a friendship with someone you know, or even doing a
Speaker 2: business deal with them.
Speaker 3: But yeah, these are our leaders.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It seems like the people at the top of you
Speaker 2: get up there through blackmail, and because there was with Epstein.
Speaker 2: Back to Epstein, you know, in his home. They talk
Speaker 2: about how there was hidden cameras all over the home,
Speaker 2: you know, and they said in the probable cause affidavit
Speaker 2: that it was likely for blackmail purposes, you know, so
Speaker 2: and you just hear it over and over and over again,
Speaker 2: just used over and over. Had Henry Vincent on the show,
Speaker 2: who was the Confessions of a DC Madam, the homosexual madam,
Speaker 2: you know, and he talked about how he was mixed
Speaker 2: up with Craig Spence and Larry King in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: And UH and Craig Spence had working for him and
Speaker 2: his blackmail deal. He had secret service agents.
Speaker 1: Well, when you mentioned Larry when you mentioned Larry King here,
Speaker 1: you're not talking about the interviewer it used to be
Speaker 1: on CNN for years and years. You're talking about the
Speaker 1: other Larry King, like Franklin cover up Larry King, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: The Larry King from the Franklin cover up that's saying
Speaker 2: the national anthem at the Reagan inaugural. And by the way,
Speaker 2: you got all these folks who left the rant and
Speaker 2: rave about what a great guy Reagan was. You know,
Speaker 2: it's so you know, it's all.
Speaker 3: And by the way, too well, we're at it too.
Speaker 2: When you had the Bush Convention right later on and
Speaker 2: Coreta Scott King set in the Bush Box with next
Speaker 2: to Barbara Bush and George Bush, you know who arranged
Speaker 2: at Al Sharpton broke it that deal and he got ah,
Speaker 2: he got a payoff out of it through Alta Modo.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's all.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a great series of articles on Al
Speaker 2: Sharpton in the Village Voice. I'm trying to get them
Speaker 2: to come on the show and talk to me about this,
Speaker 2: and they never respond to me. But maybe now that
Speaker 2: I become buddies with that guy, uh who's the big
Speaker 2: scientology guy.
Speaker 3: And I forget his name, but he was the editor
Speaker 3: for the Village Voice.
Speaker 2: May megan him come on now, Tony Ortega, who was
Speaker 2: the big scientology guy. But but there's a great series
Speaker 2: of articles in the Village of Voice about Al Sharpton
Speaker 2: and and how the GOP ran his presidential campaign, about
Speaker 2: Roger Stone ran his campaign, all of his you know,
Speaker 2: bizarre stuff with the GOP. He's always been in their
Speaker 2: pocket all this time, and he is a Trump's buddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about controlled opposition.
Speaker 2: When when he's full time FBI working for the FBI,
Speaker 2: and now when there's a kid gets shot with his
Speaker 2: hands up in Ferguson, Missouri, and Al Shrump says, well,
Speaker 2: let's turn it over to the Department of Justice. We'll
Speaker 2: get justice there, we will, right, and he's turning or
Speaker 2: after we FBI handlers and nothing happens.
Speaker 3: We get screwed every time they shoot us all now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And now you know, on a daily basis, actually,
Speaker 1: although again the media is not covering it, not the mainstream,
Speaker 1: not the alternative, on a daily basis, effectively, somebody is
Speaker 1: being killed in confrontations with the police all over the country, okay,
Speaker 1: and and nobody's focusing on it. You know. That's why
Speaker 1: I've taken using the hashtag on Twitter no Lives Matter, Okay,
Speaker 1: because this is what we're looking at. When you have
Speaker 1: a thoroughly evil, okay, core of individuals who have risen
Speaker 1: the power, who seem to run every single thing, who
Speaker 1: are involved in every kind of business that affects, you know,
Speaker 1: the lives of the public. H not the least of
Speaker 1: which is the political system, but everything. It seems as
Speaker 1: though it is permeated by these truly demented and I
Speaker 1: hate to use the term, but demonic most individuals. And
Speaker 1: and and you're not surprised by anything any longer when
Speaker 1: you start to understand that everybody's in bed with everybody else.
Speaker 1: Everybody is UH you know, fully committed to UH to
Speaker 1: to making sure they protect their predatory buddies one way
Speaker 1: or another. Everybody's profiting from it. And meanwhile, you know,
Speaker 1: where where does that leave guys like you and me?
Speaker 1: And who are what suckers that actually want to make
Speaker 1: a living, you know, doing something that doesn't always prop
Speaker 1: it off of the blood of other people.
Speaker 3: You know, we're the fools, you know, but I think
Speaker 3: we are, you know, because I grew up with Sharpton.
Speaker 2: I knew how shopped and when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: you know, back in New York City, and even I
Speaker 2: had brushes with Trump. Trump's a head of security right now,
Speaker 2: is a guy that I had to work with, you know,
Speaker 2: And all these guys have brushed up against them in
Speaker 2: all this time, you know, And now here I am
Speaker 2: running my mouth and I'm getting death threats, you know,
Speaker 2: almost every frigging day.
Speaker 3: He now from these characters and it seems like.
Speaker 2: They were all like profiting in really really high places.
Speaker 2: You know, one of us is doing the wrong thing,
Speaker 2: one of the one of us made a big mistake
Speaker 2: with their life.
Speaker 3: It's me or them, but they seem to be getting
Speaker 3: away with it, man like blatantly.
Speaker 1: You know. Uh yeah, that's that's the truth. But you
Speaker 1: know what, at the at the end of it all, ed,
Speaker 1: I would say that, you know, there's no amount of
Speaker 1: paper that somebody is going to be able to present
Speaker 1: me or digital representations thereof that are gonna make me
Speaker 1: sell my soul. So uh so this this is where
Speaker 1: it's at. I'm willing to put in the work, but
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to give you the entire store, you know,
Speaker 1: which is which is my guts and my my mind
Speaker 1: and my my heart and soul basically. You know, if
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that, I'll do it like I
Speaker 1: am now and give it away. You know that that's
Speaker 1: that's just fine. I'll give it away to somebody. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna sell it, you know, because because that's that's
Speaker 1: just the choice that I've made, and you're making the
Speaker 1: same choice, you know I am.
Speaker 2: And then I see a kind of like Reverend Pinkney
Speaker 2: sixty seven years old. He's doing ten years in prison
Speaker 2: for some trumped up political charges, you know, And that's
Speaker 2: what I have to look forward to.
Speaker 3: You know, this is pretty much what I have to
Speaker 3: look forward to.
Speaker 1: Man, you know, unfortunately it may be. But I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. And and you and I are talking a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think I'm gonna try and bring Reverend
Speaker 1: Pinney on this show and uh and see if we
Speaker 1: can't get get the word out about what's actually happened
Speaker 1: to him. Of course, uh uh, Webster Tarpley was talking
Speaker 1: to him for a little while and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: so people might have heard it there. But but the
Speaker 1: truth is that there's a whole lot of people that
Speaker 1: are being you know, preyed upon, and generally it's people
Speaker 1: like you and me who are you know, not connected,
Speaker 1: who are not part of the evil nexus, who are
Speaker 1: not selling our souls and giving in to uh, you know,
Speaker 1: basically what what what boils not basically forget it, what
Speaker 1: boils down to child rape? What boils down to you know,
Speaker 1: trafficking and pimps and trafficking and other people's misery and blood.
Speaker 1: But look, before we run totally out of time, you know,
Speaker 1: tell people about, you know, the Opperman Report, because I
Speaker 1: know that we're on the same network and people can
Speaker 1: catch your show on Saturdays here on American Freedom Radio.
Speaker 1: But you also have a website, you know, and there's
Speaker 1: other things you do, and I want to give you
Speaker 1: time to talk about that a little bit before we're done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Opperman Report dot com.
Speaker 2: We've got a special member section a lot of these documents,
Speaker 2: these court docks and stuff like that we're talking about.
Speaker 2: I just uploaded fourteen PDFs of all the Trump University
Speaker 2: lawsuit documents on there, plus his exclusive interviews. Today, I
Speaker 2: interviewed Kevin Sullivan about the Bundy murders, interviewed Montgomery Blair
Speaker 2: Sibley that the attorney for the DC, Madam Palfrey, Geen Palffrey.
Speaker 3: We uploaded all those docs, all the phone numbers.
Speaker 2: If you want to look at the phone numbers everyone's
Speaker 2: talking about about her on her Horizon bill. That's up
Speaker 2: on operareport dot com. You can find on there. So yeah,
Speaker 2: on Friday on Saturdays, we're on American Freedom Radio. We
Speaker 2: do other shows as well. You can find in the
Speaker 2: archives on speakers and iTunes and iHeart and all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: We're working. I have a GoFundMe right now. Go fundme.
Speaker 2: Front Flash Operaman Report. We're trying to raise funds to
Speaker 2: get to California in the.
Speaker 3: Next two weeks. I'm going to film with Hank Harrison.
Speaker 2: Hank Harrison the father of Courtney Love, who has broke
Speaker 2: some incredible stuff on my show about how his daughter
Speaker 2: was dating a CIA agent and went to Ireland with
Speaker 2: the fifteen thousand hits LSD and was involved in child
Speaker 2: trafficking herself. She was on Jeffrey Epstein's plane, by the way,
Speaker 2: and also too, he was friends with Kenneth Anger, and
Speaker 2: Kenneth Anger told him that the people at MTV when
Speaker 2: they created an MTV and started MTV, they were all
Speaker 2: doing all kinds of occult rituals and sacrifices and all
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff going on. That's what Kenneth Anger told
Speaker 2: Hank Harrison. So I'm trying to get to California the
Speaker 2: tape with Hank Harrison. I'd also like the table them
Speaker 2: out there with Peter Dale Scott, who's invited me to
Speaker 2: come out there and talk to him.
Speaker 3: So we need these funds.
Speaker 2: Go fund me Opperman Report to fund that, or you
Speaker 2: can join the members section at Oppermanreport dot com and
Speaker 2: that'll help support this trip next week.
Speaker 3: That we're trying to put together.
Speaker 2: But otherwise, you catch my show on American Freedom Right
Speaker 2: on Saturday's five pm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and it's always interesting. In fact, recently I
Speaker 1: have you posted the thing with Apridity Jones yet? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's up there.
Speaker 2: That's on Speakerts on YouTube on the Ed Opperman YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting show where she's trying to defend Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh yes.
Speaker 1: Oh yes. And here's the fun part about that. I
Speaker 1: actually want to interview Aphrodity Jones, but not about Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to her about the BTK killer Okay,
Speaker 1: this Dennis Raider, because she she also wrote a book
Speaker 1: on that. She's written a lot of books. She's been
Speaker 1: on you know, investigation, Discovery, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Interesting lady for sure, But who knows, maybe I'll get
Speaker 1: to interview her about a completely different subject and I
Speaker 1: might not piss her off like I did.
Speaker 2: So check out Pat Brown Pat brown Criminal profile. She
Speaker 2: did her about BTK and she has some good information
Speaker 2: on that too, there's another suspect in the BTA killer
Speaker 2: and that first murder of the first BTK murder who
Speaker 2: had had like human hair under his bed and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. It was like a bag full of trophy
Speaker 2: hair and stuff. Who was another serial killer in that neighborhood.
Speaker 2: They're doing stuff whole another take, and and Dave McCowan
Speaker 2: was more in tune with that theory than Afortity Jones.
Speaker 1: Well right, Unfortunately Dave passed away not long ago, but
Speaker 1: incredibly interesting information that he developed. And one of the
Speaker 1: things that I found funny about that before we close
Speaker 1: and get out on out of here, is that you
Speaker 1: brought up something that did occur to me when I
Speaker 1: was flipping through some of the photographs that had been
Speaker 1: passed around. There was this small folder of photographs that
Speaker 1: had been passed around a few years ago, you know, electronically,
Speaker 1: and gee, it does seem as though somebody knew what
Speaker 1: Dennis Rader was doing. Because you couldn't easily take a
Speaker 1: photograph of yourself in a certain position. I thought that
Speaker 1: was pretty fascinating. And you know what, just because the
Speaker 1: mainstream media and the documentary filmmakers in Hollywood tells you
Speaker 1: certain stories about the predators that are out there, it
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean they got all their facts straight by
Speaker 1: the bye. Like I'm thoroughly convinced that Charles Manson is
Speaker 1: probably not as guilty of all the things they claim
Speaker 1: he is. And I know I take a lot of
Speaker 1: heat for that, But when I take a look at
Speaker 1: the Bugliosi behavior and the prosecutors off in l A
Speaker 1: at the time and everything else, I say that there
Speaker 1: is lots of reasonable doubt contained within even that case.
Speaker 1: And people give me heat for that, but I don't care.
Speaker 1: There there's always questionable stuff when these guys push these
Speaker 1: narratives in the media, and that's something that that you
Speaker 1: you know real well, don't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the whole Manson thing might be more
Speaker 2: to cover up, uh, his his involvement with people like
Speaker 2: the Beatles and the Beach Boys and the Processed Church
Speaker 2: and uh and the process Church is involvement with Sir
Speaker 2: Hansir hand you know, I have an iron did I
Speaker 2: have a sing of that?
Speaker 3: I n s document that I have, Well, I'll send
Speaker 3: it to you.
Speaker 1: Well, please please do, because that that is exactly the
Speaker 1: direction I'm going in here, that I think that there
Speaker 1: was some myths on Manson and his people that nobody
Speaker 1: wants to have emerged, just like with Sir hansor Han.
Speaker 1: I mean, they they quashed that trial real quick, got
Speaker 1: rid of all the evidence, got rid of all the
Speaker 1: investment gated material. You know that they could. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jamie Scott Enyert was on this show talking about his
Speaker 1: photographs disappeared. But I assure you there's a lot more
Speaker 1: to that story too, and it's really really bizarre. And
Speaker 1: Los Angeles is probably one of the most corrupt police
Speaker 1: departments I've ever seen in my life. You know. Uh,
Speaker 1: fear is what I have the only time I've been
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles when it comes to law enforcement there,
Speaker 1: and that was years and years ago.
Speaker 2: You know this document that I have, I got it
Speaker 2: from Maury Terry and it says that Sir hanser Han
Speaker 2: was at a drug and sex party thrown by the
Speaker 2: Processed Church at Sharon Tates home. Wow, yep, And that's
Speaker 2: that's that's incredible. And it talks to about Papa Phillips
Speaker 2: uh being the main funder of funded raising the funds
Speaker 2: for the process Church. And I got other stuff too
Speaker 2: that I really can't talk about on the air with
Speaker 2: the the Roy Raiden hitman being involved. He was a
Speaker 2: bodyguard for my papa, Mama casts Phillips, and I got
Speaker 2: a whole lot.
Speaker 3: I got a ton of stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: And Manson probably brought drugs to Mama too at certain
Speaker 1: points and all this, I mean, people don't realize exactly
Speaker 1: how deeply this wasn't a guy just sitting in the
Speaker 1: desert with a bunch of dirty hippie chicks that he
Speaker 1: would show up with, you know, randomly at parties. There
Speaker 1: was a whole thing going on there that that was
Speaker 1: you know. Like I said, there's a lot more behind
Speaker 1: the headlines and the legend of Helter Skelter than people realize.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that he's an innocent guy. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that they sort of put the wrong noose
Speaker 1: around his neck and dragged him away so that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't bother to look at what was actually behind him.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying about it. But anyway, Ed Opperman
Speaker 1: has been my guest tonight. Got