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Speaker 1: So there's this political story about the homeless industrial complex,

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and then there's this this personage, this entity called Jesus,

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and there is a struggle between the homeless industrial complex

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and Jesus. And then there's this nature of humanity and

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how we change and what does it take to actually change.

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I'm going to be joined by my friend Cameron Burke

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as a founder and CEO of Absolute Ministries, and we're

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gonna learn all about this with the help of bulwer

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kepl Management, Know Your riskpodcast dot com and of course

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courtesy of God Almighty.

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Speaker 2: But Todd Herman Show is one disapproved by big pharma

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technocrats in tyrans everywhere from the hind mountains of Free America.

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Here's the Emerald City exile.

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Speaker 1: Todd Herman. Today is the day the Lord has made

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and these are the times in which God is the same.

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Do we shall live? People joining us live. Sorry for

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the early starts, We just wanted to get an early start.

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Cameron Burke joins me. It's my tradition to shake hands,

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even though that's bad staging, et cetera. And welcome to

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The Todd Herman Show. CEO, Founder of Absolute Ministries. You

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help people, you said, this is the other day someone

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said what do you do? You had the very best answer,

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So I'm gonna ask you what do you do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I appreciate being here. Thanks a bunch of todd We

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teach people how to live. We teach people how to live,

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and that's what it boils down to. Individuals don't know

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how to live. And we started with the people group

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coming out of addiction and specifically in recovery. But we're

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discovering more and more that this individuals that don't know

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how to live is expanding.

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Speaker 3: It's more and more people.

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Speaker 1: So it's not just addiction based anymore.

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Speaker 4: No, individuals can come to us if they're teachable and

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want to learn to live in a new way. Yeah,

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ultimately following Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and that's obviously part of the living. I mean,

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that's the only really living attached to the mind. But

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you had a entry point into this and into helping

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people this way. That matters because I think it's the

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heart of the mission. So can we talk about this,

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this the trail you walked, Yeah, because it was a

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straight and easy path, right right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I was gonna say that's generous.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, learning to live in a new way for me

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came with very rocky road at the beginning. And at

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sixteen years old, I got diagnosed with type one diabetes

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and I heard the doctors say in that clinic, your

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life is over. That's not what they said, That's what

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I heard. As the sixteen year realized that's right, and

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the you know, my freedom, you know was gone. You

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have to live with this medication. You can't do what

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you want to do anymore. This new structure has to

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be put on your life. And that just sent me

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into a tailspin. So the live being the peer pressure

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that I had abstained from, I was like, well, screw it,

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let's just go right. Life's over, so send it. And

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that was a quick, fast, dark road, ultimately culminating in

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a cocaine and alcohol addiction and burned a lot of

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bridges and a lot of people and heard a lot

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of people hurt myself or my family.

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Speaker 1: Can you still remember what it's like to be addicted

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to a substance. I knew a friend who was a

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coke addict who said, cocaine loves you so much that

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you can't imagine anything loving you anymore.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say that's accurate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the euphoria is ridiculous. That's why it's

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so deep and so fast. It's intoxicating. And I mean

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I've boiled addiction down to the pursuit of pleasure. No'm

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otter of the cost. Yeah, and when you think about that,

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that is, you know, that's a great encapsulation. I have

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not seen an individual that's truly addicted to something who's

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not throwing everything else to the wind in the pursuit

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 4: And so we watch individuals go down that road and

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we all do as society, right, and we see him

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homeless on the street. Obviously there a lot of times

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Speaker 1: That could be driven by addiction. First.

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seen about addiction, and it was a recovery ministry that

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put it out, but it said, you know, it's based

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on the Prodigal Sun's story and it said party till

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you're homeless. And I mean, that's what that guy did,

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Speaker 3: That's what a lot of people do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know they're but the grace of my mom

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and god, you know, I didn't party. Uh. I went

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I lived in a studio apartment in the ghetto. We're

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not supposed to say that, but very common to hear gunshots,

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drive by shooting occur. There's a dude dead in our

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elevator who's a strange dad of a little boy. And

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Speaker 1: I worked with folks who were homeless, employing them to

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do door hangers and deliver phone books, et cetera. And

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some things about homelessness that always just frightened me, like

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poverty scared me. So I think it kept away from

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some things I want expanded this In a second, we're

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talking with Cameron Burke and Absolute Ministries. We have a

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link and the show that's their donation based and it's

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not an organization that's getting rich doing this, So we'll

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talk about that a second. Did you get a chance

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yet to go watch Thank You, Doctor Fauci? The more

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I think about that film and the conclusions that's reached,

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the more I understand why no one wants to talk

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about it. Jenner first, the director, He is an award

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winning director. He's got a long history. He worked with

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some of the most powerful people in Hollywood to put

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this together. I didn't know that until it chatted with him.

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Some of the biggest names in Hollywood backed this thing.

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And the conclusion they came out with is, you want

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to talk rigged game. A guy Tony Fauci for forty

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years is responsible, in their estimation, for in his labs,

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the lapsis to run, is responsible for all the pandemics

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during that time. That's the that's their analysis, create the problem,

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charge people for the cure. So much worse than that though.

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They contend that we are the victims of Chinese spies

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working against us in a bioterror race, but inconveniently not

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Chinese spies, spies for the Chinese Comments Party working against us,

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But inconveniently they're American citizens with a lot of power

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who are also working against the Chinese government as double

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agents for us. We're in a bio terror race with

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the Chinese Commonist Party, and Fauci knew these things and

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hid these things. So it's an extraordinary movie that actually

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takes The movie is a movie within a movie. You're

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watching them make the movie and what's cool about that

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is you're watching them ract livetime to research and then

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watching Jenner go through the halls of Congress to try

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to get someone to actually look at the evidence that

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Fauci is a psychopathic killer. And it's very frustrating but

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very illuminating. It's called Thank You, Doctor Fauci. You canstream

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it right now at angel dot com slash herman. That's

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Angel dot com slash herman. Don't just stream the movie,

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become a member of the guild and you get to

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vote for more movies like this to be made. Angel

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dot com slash herman. So you went through your dark

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periods and you crashed and you experienced all that, and

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then people are always going to ask, Okay, so how

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did you win the lottery to get where you're at

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now that you're the CEO of this thing in which

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billionaire came along and lifted you up and handed you money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that did not happen. Okay, Uh yeah, still waiting

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I came to the end of myself although I wasn't

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I wasn't asking for it. My transformation happened because my

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parents quit enabling me. They actually my dad was distraught

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as you can imagine. And he asked his brother, who's

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a pastor. You know, Cameron's destroying himself, like his life

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is a dumpster fire, you know.

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Speaker 3: I regularly refer to it as that.

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Speaker 4: And he told him about a one year program, and

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so they took me there. I looked at it. I

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did a walk through. I was not interested. I was

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smoking a cigarette in the front yard and I was

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twenty years old at the time, and and uh, you know,

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the director had done a done an interview with me,

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and he said, so, what do you want to do?

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And I said, not this, like this is insane. You know,

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at the facility that would transform my life, you know,

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God's grace through that facility. And I said, this is nuts, like,

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you know, the free I don't have freedom anymore. I

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don't have the ability to do what I want day

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to day. Like, no, I'm out of here. And I

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stood up, walked into the front yard and my dad said, like,

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I'm cutting you off, like you're you're cut off basically,

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Speaker 1: Know no money, this is it. That's it.

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Speaker 4: And uh, I just began to consider my life and

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moment and I began to ask myself, like, what would

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it look like if I just fully committed to this

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a swimming pool just jumping in, you know, not day

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not dipping my feet in, but just fully jumping in.

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spoke to me in that moment. It wasn't out loud,

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but it was crystal clear in my heart. First time

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I ever heard God like it had shocked me, surprised me.

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And he said, Cameron, give me this year of your

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life and watch what I'll do. And you know he

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said that, yeah, Wow, that's a long said and so

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I did, Yeah, signed up. I think it shocked my parents.

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I'll do it, and they were like, let's go back

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in the office.

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Speaker 1: Let's just sign now, sign up.

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Speaker 4: So I was there thirteen months as a student and

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then another twelve months as an intern. Just began to

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have a heart for other individuals desiring life change.

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Speaker 1: Yeah and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty two years later, founder and CEO, and you

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have facilities in North Idaho. You have facilities in Western Washington.

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by to bringing people, you know into this. I'm referring

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a friend of mine to you, friend that I've mentored

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and you know, just become friends with with the mentoring

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process and you know that change. This is what I

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was talking about the top of the show, that there's

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the Jesus way that you're describing, because Jesus definitely showed

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people how to live right in that three years of ministry.

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Here's how I live, Here's how I want you to live.

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This is how we treat the people around us. And

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then where I spent a ton of time around homeless

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people was in Seattle. And man, they are big money, Cameron.

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They are just walking coin. So there's a reason that

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these big cities and these fallen cities and separate countries

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like Seattle, Washington, they suck these people in. There's a

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reason they want free you know, cost free heroin. They

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want to provide fet and all the people. They call

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it harm reduction. Every one of those bodies they refer

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to is coin. And you have big organizations. One of

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them is called Lehigh Low Income Housing Institute. There's a

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bunch of others. I've forgotten the specific names. But they

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become wealthy. I mean, you're talking about organizations with one

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hundred and fifty million dollars in land assets that they

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have gotten. And the business model is they get the dingiest,

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grossest lot they can find. They literally take a garden

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shack that might cost five hundred bucks to build. They

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let you sleep in there. You can do drugs, you

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can traffic yourself, you can traffic others. No expectation to

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change at all. They call it a low barrier shelter.

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steps in and pays for that. Washington State taxpayers pay

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for that, and it's just a mortgage and they're just

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paying off the land. And then here's the kicker to this.

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You lose often, and this has been proven through hidden

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video recordings. You lose your shack if you don't show

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up at a city council meeting to advocate for more Democrats, wow,

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more socialism. You lose it. If you go to a

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job interview that I had someone show who had undercover

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video of. If you go to the job interview today

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and you don't work in the kitchen, you are not

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going to have a place to sleep when you come back.

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And the money camera that's involved in this. And my

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friend David Preston from a group called Safe Seattle, he

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coined this phrase homeless industrial complex. And I'll just say

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this so that you get an idea the scope and

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folks get an idea the scope. In one year, the

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puture Sum Business Journal did an audit. In one single year,

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King County spent one billion dollars on homelessness and it

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got worse when it goes all in one billion dollars

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in things which you'd never expect, like folks stealing natural

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gas and blowing up a building and or cops arresting

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the same homeless person three times in one day. So

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that's the other side of this. Have you ever encountered

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any kind of slimy people like that in this industry?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the answers yes. Unfortunately, I think people are always

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going to be bent towards that, especially if there's not

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you know, if they've got no underlying guiding principle. So

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you know, we're part of an organization and a credit

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agency that accredits housing providers and actually they're one of

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their main purposes is to root out some abuses like.

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Speaker 4: Because I think it is rampant. When you have a

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vulnerable people group who can't speak up for themselves, they're

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not informed, they don't know how to do it, et cetera,

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et cetera, powerful people will take advantage of them. And

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so it's no surprise I think obviously like ourselves and others,

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there's good players in the space that really do want

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to help people and are doing that. It's a matter

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of looking at the fruit, what's coming off the tree,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that there's these all also kind

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of little fiefdoms that sometimes get built up. It's not

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even necessarily the big government backed stuff. Always at a

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friend who was in a housing provider and they're having

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this guy work twelve hours a day, yeah, and use

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his own gas money to take people to and from

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the airport, and oh, we also need you at church

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and you're going to serve there. And I mean, he

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was fine serving in church, but I started looking at

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a schedule and realizing he's an unpaid employee, right, right,

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it's not an internship. And you guys have some great programs, man,

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You the difference between what you do and what some

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of theo's other places do. And I want to talk

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about some of these manifests. I was looking at this

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like job placement and letting people drive your cars, your

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license and insured cars, and so we'll talk about that

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as we unfold this. And I do want to get

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into the personal change because you did it. Jesus did

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it through you and to you. I don't want to

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talk about some of the barrious people have to change. Yeah,

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we talk about that, Parr. I have a friend of

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mine who is right now fighting for his life and

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he is facing an American healthcare system that's telling him this. Yes,

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we told you you need to have an aordal valve replacement,

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and you have about thirty days to live because you

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could die in thirty days if you don't get this replaced. Okay,

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well let's get a surgery scheduled, right. We'll do that

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right after you get a dental appointment. And yes, believe

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or not, your mouth health is tied to heart health.

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That's true. Okay, so go go g with the dental appointment.

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Dentist says, yeah, I'll do that right after you solve

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your sciatic pain, because I'm not going to do this

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operation in your mouth, this procedure until the sciatic pain

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is solved. Well, what if the sciatic pains not solved, Well,

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I mean now you've got twenty five days. See, it's

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extraordinary to me that in the persons of Renewed Healthcare

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and port of Art to Mexico, we've saved three lives

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people put down for stem cell treatment and they ended

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up having an advanced heart screening. It beats Ekg's to death.

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And this has happened three times that people have been

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down for getting stem cells. In one case, it was

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a lady with her husband. She didn't even tend to

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get the stem cells, but she paid for the heart

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screening and turned out she needed to have heart surgery

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the next day. Two other people, two other people, same story,

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and in Mexico, guess what, they can get you into

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world class hospital the very next day. Stem cells solved

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things like a rectile dysfunction. They solved things like keeping

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out of surgery. They can help replace bone, bone, cartilage, muscle, tendon.

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But only the stem cells in part of our renew

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dot Healthcare are the world class because that's not allowed

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in America. Go to renew r E U E dot

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Healthcare that's renewed r E and U E dot Healthcare.

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Tell them you're part of the Todd Hermannshaw family and

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unrig your healthcare. So, Cameron, I I so I've had

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various addictions. I don't know that I was addicted to

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porn when I was young, because it never it didn't

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cost me jobs, it wasn't something that it wasn't at

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all costs. What caused me to stop that behavior, I'd

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like to say it was Jesus, and probably was. It

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was realizing that I was watching videos of sex assaults

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and of people who were being raped. Okay, can't do that.

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Boom done, Praise God.

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Speaker 3: Food.

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Speaker 1: So I used to weigh almost four hundred pounds and

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I was a secret eater. So I would go to

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McDonald's and this was my bit, double quarter pound er

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with cheese, the fish, sandwich thing, fries, diet coke, Gosh knows.

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I would eat that on the way to the next

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McDonald's and I would hide it. Wow, because I was

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in my atdicts mind. There were the people at the

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next McDonald's. Hey, Fatty's on the way, remember Fatty with

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the ponytail, Fatty with the ponytails on the way. So

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then I'd go in and order, but I'd be on

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the car phone that is mounted. What do you want hunt?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah what?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, yeah, I'll get you a fish sandwich too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Okay, yeah, all right, I see it a bit.

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Speaker 1: All right, say out a kid. It's weird of kids.

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And I had this attic mind and now at all costs. Yeah,

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I knew I was balloon or not, so I could

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relate it to that. This is some other things I've

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been addicted to and don't put me in rushes, et

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cetera that I think is common with people. For me,

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it was seeing a picture of myself. This was the

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weight thing. I saw myself getting out of a car

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and it was a Sissle reel we put together our

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PR company put together for my internet radio network, and literally, Cameron,

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I'm watching this and there's a dude getting out of

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a cab in San Francisco. And I said to my

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PR agent, who is that? That's you?

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Speaker 5: That's me? Wow, And I'm out.

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Speaker 1: And I made a pledge to my girlfriend's fiance, who's

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not my wife. I'm not going to be your fat husband.

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I refuse to do it. Now. My elements to change

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are hardcore. So I'm going to in Seattle. I had

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a personal trainer, a guid Hmed Jderme and Steve, a

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couple of different guys. I paid in advance, no cancelations

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unless my arm is falling off, you charge me money.

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Made it first thing in the morning. Count every calorie

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hard edge like to this day. It's a sixty to

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eight fast. I found out for myself. I am a

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guy who needs eat that structure for myself, and that's

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an enforcement to change. And then spiritually, I have to

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be a guy who constantly surrenders because my flesh man

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it wants to make a comeback, and it can lead

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to dark times and I have to challenge the flesh

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and let the spirit rule. That's my change, and that's

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how I've structured this. And I have to install habits.

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They have to be habits. You help people with job placement,

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You help them, You give them cars. If they have

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their own card, that's great, you let them use yours.

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You give them college credit for complete your program, which

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is incredible. Do matching savings accounts, et cetera. That's insane.

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That's so cool. You have people making twenty five thirty

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five hundred bucks a month sometime to your program in

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these jobs. So let's start with this. How common is

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it that people need that shock like me seeing myself

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at nearly four hundred pounds or you know that that

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classic thing of looking in the mirror and you missing

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your teeth or said, how common is that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I actually don't think it's that common. Bea well, I

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think it's a slow slide. Yeah, right, So what what

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what stops them?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 4: I think it's other people in intervention. I think it's

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other people, loved ones in their life that hold emotional weight,

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sitting them down and saying I love you. Like, let's

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just whiteboard for a second. What's going on in your

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life and potentially what it could be if you will

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yield in some areas.

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Speaker 1: Are you actually talking about like really whitebarding?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think it's beautiful, so real. I think

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it's super helpful. Yeah, I love you as no whiteboard.

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Speaker 1: Well I love them too. Yeah, but my mofice at

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Microsoft was all whiteborn.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go. Yeah, best companies in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you literally think it's not it's not a

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common thing for a person to encounter themselves, or God,

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show you a picture of yourself, or look at your filth,

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look at what you become. I love you come back

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to me. But it's loved ones sitting down with the

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whiteboard and saying here's where you're at, here's where you

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could be, or here's where you could end up if

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you don't change.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that's one way. I think

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the overarching truth that I just mentioned is real and

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being that individuals get accustomed to themselves. So it's like

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the frog in a pot of boiling wright right, starts cold,

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and pretty soon you're four hundred pounds.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: Individuals, whether it's a loved one or just someone who

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has value for them, so it doesn't have to be

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a loved one. And we're seeing that more and more

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people don't have families. You know, we're in the jails

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every other weekend reaching out to people and literally sitting

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down through that glass and sometimes we're going in and

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saying like you have immense value and just tears. They've

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never heard that, yeah, like what, yeah, I mean? And

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so for people who've grown up in a decent family,

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like what, there's people who don't know they have value

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and that there's a potential future for them, especially in

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Christ and through the Church and his mission, et cetera.

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Like no, no, lots lots millions of individuals that don't

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know they hold immense value and capability, natural talents, aptitudes,

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and so a lot of it is can be just

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a soft vision cast for like are you content right now?

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The answers lots of times no, okay, Well what if

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we walked alongside.

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Speaker 3: You literally.

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Speaker 4: House you, provide transportation, provide grafting into a local church.

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So you're not just successful now, you're going to be

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successful big picture. Because we're playing for sustainability, we can

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structure people into success while you're in our program.

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Speaker 1: That's easy, yeah, because the doors are locked and have

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to be, and people can even sometimes they fool themselves

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into I'm okay, or if they know they're it'll lock up.

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Is like I'll play the game.

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Speaker 4: It's right, yep, one hundred percent. Yeah, But that's that's

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not real life. So individuals then finish those programs and

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whether it be a third thirty day program, ninety day

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or even one year.

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Speaker 3: And in my.

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Speaker 4: Case and tip over like clockwork, that's where this organization

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that my wife and I founded was born, was working

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and seeing individuals complete go out the door, get their

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graduation certificate and call back in thirty days, call back

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in sixty days, sometimes not call back at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because the.

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Speaker 1: Structure's gone and the program, all the theory that worked

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inside because everybody was doing it outside, not everyone's doing

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it and without that structure that bed to lay on

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and people to come around you. And you're saying getting

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embedded with the church community, and people know in the

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church community because you're honest, this is what I'm going through,

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this is how I've come to your church. And so

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they're there, I guess is the body of Christ to say, hey,

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did I see you at a liquor store or right right?

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Or you just look down and are you okay? But

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it's also is it I know that there are people

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because I work with a guy. I am the person

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he knows full stop. Right, he's in a program right now.

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00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:37,119
He decided to try to end his life, and praise God,

475
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,359
he got caught with meth and he didn't even get

476
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,839
to use it, and he wasn't even really a meth guy.

477
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,440
He just wanted to end his life because the last

478
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,559
living relative of his died and he didn't talk to her.

479
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:49,279
But it was just this. No one cares about me.

480
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,440
I'd say, but brother, wait, you could have called me.

481
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,279
I know, but I lost my phone and right, And

482
00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:58,720
I don't know how many people watching this and they're

483
00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:01,759
listening to this know what it is to have the

484
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:04,480
devil tell you you are alone. It will always be

485
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:08,039
this way. So that connection into the church community for

486
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:11,279
a lot of people. And again this is unrelatable for folks.

487
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,920
This is the first place I walk into and more

488
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,880
than one person knows my name or comes to hug

489
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,160
me and they're glad to see me. I don't know

490
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,640
if people can relate to a the feeling of loneliness

491
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,039
that you are alone in the world, and then the

492
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,680
change to wait, people know me and they still like me. Right, So,

493
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:33,000
how how important is that that aspect, that body of

494
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:33,759
Christ aspect?

495
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,279
Speaker 4: I think it is. I like to describe it as

496
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:41,720
wind in the sail, you know, okay it there's nothing

497
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,519
more empowering than being fully known. That's what you're talking about.

498
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:48,839
You're talking about being fully known yea, and fully loved.

499
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and does a lot of work in that sentence,

500
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,400
oh man, because fully known and wait, you still love

501
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,720
me right, right? Like I know I think about my wife.

502
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,519
My wife fully knows me, and there's been time she's like, oh,

503
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,039
I don't like you even a little bit, but I

504
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:09,240
love you, yes, right. And so there's that and that

505
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,160
get cares a lot of weight.

506
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 4: Well, and only Jesus facilitates that in the context of

507
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,000
the local church, right, And that's what's so beautiful about

508
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,279
a church. Who's doing it right is man, We're all

509
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:25,119
of us are the exact same human right. I mean,

510
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,559
I love it when people just get radically honest. There's

511
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,160
nothing more refreshing. And we have a phrase we've coined

512
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,599
in our curriculum called ugly honesty, and that means if you.

513
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 5: Tell the truth, if you really tell the truth.

514
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 4: It's going to be ugly. And that's okay because of Jesus.

515
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,279
And we're all the same. We all suck super bad,

516
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:46,680
but thank God for Jesus.

517
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,279
Speaker 1: Man an ugly truth. Yeah, those are hard to tell,

518
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:51,559
but there is also when you confess them within the

519
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:54,640
body of Christ. The Lord is there to say, hey, look,

520
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,279
let me take that from you. Would you like me

521
00:27:56,319 --> 00:27:58,440
to carry that burden? And if you've ever had the

522
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:02,400
experience of actually being crushed under the weight of something

523
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,519
and then bowing your head in prayer and literally saying, Jesus,

524
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:09,559
I need you to take this from me. I cannot

525
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:12,079
carry this. And I've had times in my life where

526
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:15,279
the Lord has said Okay, I got it, and camera

527
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,279
I've sat there and felt the Lord go okay, yeah, wow.

528
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,880
And you're pretty strong, dude, you do CrossFit all that stuff.

529
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,960
You're strong for your age. But yeah, this is crushing.

530
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,319
But for me, Jesus, this I don't even feel this.

531
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,839
So I want to relate this to you that there's

532
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,039
a guy who's he works with the state, but he's

533
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:35,279
one of the good guys in the state. And there's

534
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:36,640
a lot of good people that work for the state,

535
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,720
let's be clear, but there's a lot of corruption in

536
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,680
the state level too in dealing with people, and I

537
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,240
think they make it really hard for people to get

538
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,160
into programs like yours. I think they make it really

539
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,359
hard to change. I'd like to talk about that he

540
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,839
shared this story that he was a parole officer for

541
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,359
a guy who had been a pedophile and he had

542
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,079
repeatedly violated young girls. And this this guy is a

543
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,200
dad of girls, and so he's this guy's parle officer

544
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,240
and his last violation had been like twelve years ago.

545
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:13,680
And he told the story of being in prison and

546
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,000
meeting other meeting dads and some dads who didn't beat

547
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:19,880
him up because pedophiles don't have a good run of

548
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,799
it in prison. And he took some beatings and he

549
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:25,400
took some other things, but he met some other guys

550
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,920
in prison who said, you know, I have daughters, and like,

551
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:31,400
how dare you and beginning to understand this, and he

552
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:37,119
was changed, and he started coming to his parole office

553
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,519
every day, and his par officer come out said, dude,

554
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,599
do only need to come here like once a week

555
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,480
and then once every the week. But he kept coming

556
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,440
every day. And so one day this guy's walking into

557
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,680
the office and this was in Boise and they had

558
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,559
big snow down there. He looks down and the dude

559
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,640
is wearing shoes that have no souls basically, I mean

560
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,480
there's a little soul left with his feet of freezing.

561
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,319
And he'd walked over from this flop house motel. He's like,

562
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,880
do you have shoes? Oh, this is the shoes I have.

563
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,880
Let's go buy your shoes.

564
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

565
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,279
Speaker 1: Put him in his truck. Took the man to a

566
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:16,160
shoe sore bottom. Not just shoes, but a pair of

567
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,559
boots too, and socks. And he puts those things on.

568
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:24,839
They throw out the other things I qualify shoes. Sits

569
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:27,559
down in his truck and this man weeps and he

570
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,240
is he's you talk about ugly truth. This man was

571
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:36,839
in his mid thirties. That was the first pair of

572
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,160
shoes he'd ever owned that didn't come out of a

573
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,960
garbage can or you know, someone's four year old pair.

574
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,920
And his prole officer bottom for him. And as they

575
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,559
sat there in that truck, the pro officer just God

576
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:54,559
spoke to him and he said, do you know Jesus?

577
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,839
And he said, I've heard about him. He goes those

578
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,000
shoes those are from Jesus.

579
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 5: Wow.

580
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:03,599
Speaker 1: Because I don't like you.

581
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,359
Speaker 3: Wow.

582
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to work with you. But you're child

583
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,240
to God and you have immense value.

584
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 5: Wow.

585
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,039
Speaker 1: So he used that word. You use that phrase, immense value.

586
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:16,880
And Jesus loves you, and do you want to accept

587
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,079
him as your Lord's savor? And in the truck that

588
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,039
I did, that guy he can't work around kids, obviously

589
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:27,039
given that background, but he now consults within the prison

590
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:31,880
system to help people come out of those behaviors. He

591
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,839
works with offenders, and he does it from a position

592
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,079
of Christ. So those are the sort of ugly truths

593
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:42,400
you have to like, what's that like when a group

594
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,680
of men or women, when someone tells an ugly truth,

595
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,279
you know, welcoming environment like that. Most people have never

596
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:48,640
seen that.

597
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's shocking, you know, and the truth is shocking.

598
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,200
That's why we're so used to plastic, right, because most

599
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,200
people don't tell the truth. Yeah, and especially in institutional

600
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:07,440
levels or organizational levels, and so that's why, you know.

601
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,079
So the secular version of this is aa AA or

602
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:16,720
n A same premise, Come in, admit your stuff. It's anonymous.

603
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:21,000
We all recognize we're in this room and messed up,

604
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:23,640
and we all walk away and there's no judgment. Now

605
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,599
those were Christians, the founders of AA but they took

606
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,039
Jesus off the cover of the book, but he's in

607
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:30,599
the pages.

608
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: And it is.

609
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: So empowering to be accepted in the midst of your

610
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,079
humanity as much as you're willing to admit, right, and

611
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,480
Jesus will meet us.

612
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of times, you know, the

613
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,519
the piece that weighs on people.

614
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 4: Is well, what if what if they just you know,

615
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:59,119
thump me on the other side as telling the truth?

616
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,160
You know, what if they just And I think a

617
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:07,559
lot of times individuals paint God with their experience of humanity.

618
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:12,799
And Jesus, God is way better than we think he is.

619
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,960
You know, he's not thumping us. That's what Jesus took

620
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,240
for us so that we can be accepted. And James

621
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,559
four ten It's My Life verse says when you bow

622
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,200
down and admit your dependence on God, then he will

623
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,599
lift you up and give you honor. And that same

624
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,920
word admit, that's that's the first word in step.

625
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:33,799
Speaker 3: One of AA.

626
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 5: And admitting is.

627
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,759
Speaker 4: So difficult because we just hear lies in our head.

628
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,400
You know, you're going to be rejected, They're gonna not

629
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,480
want to have anything to do with you anymore, you'll think.

630
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,039
Speaker 5: Less of you, et cetera, et cetera.

631
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,799
Speaker 4: But it's actually really attractive when people get oly honest.

632
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

633
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:56,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then there's this also, I think one of

634
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,440
the lies the enemy tells you it's not changed that

635
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,440
much from the garden and.

636
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,559
Speaker 3: We'll surely die.

637
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: God wouldn't do that. I mean, he's just afraid you're

638
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,799
going to be like him, but you're going to be

639
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,199
super happy because you're going to be like God. And

640
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,440
I want to relate that experience here in just a

641
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:16,800
quick second. You know, people would look sometimes at in

642
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,880
the followers of Christ, would even look at people who

643
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,440
were disabled, and they would say, Lord, you know, Rabbi,

644
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:26,400
who's sinned this this person or their parents that they're

645
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,039
in this condition. And Jesus taught that look, wait, wait, wait,

646
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,119
neither of their parents sinned. This is done for the

647
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,039
glory of God and the testing of mercy, for the

648
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,519
opportunity for you to extend mercy and kindness for the

649
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,920
poor disabled and paraphrase, and will always be here with us.

650
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,519
So we have a decision as a society how to

651
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:45,840
do this. And on a very personal basis, my friend John,

652
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,840
who runs Alan Soaps for his kids for the time being.

653
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,960
Because John is going to the eternal reward of Christ

654
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:57,159
sometime next year spring, probably summer, John will breathe his last.

655
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,199
He's passing on the company to his wife, tissing her

656
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,039
and I run it. Alan Soaps proves that there are

657
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,440
people who are disabled, like Allan, who is effectively nonverbal.

658
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:15,280
His brother Ian impacted by autism as well. Differently, Alan effectively, well,

659
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,480
he's been through eighteen operations.

660
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:17,079
Speaker 5: He's fourteen.

661
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: So now the soap company is not about sympathy. It's

662
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,239
not a charity. It's a company found that on selling

663
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,880
you the best soap in the world, made in the

664
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,960
Midwest by a family of three generations of soap making expertise,

665
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,840
made with fragrances. You can only get there with the

666
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,880
purpose of selling you the best soap in the world.

667
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,400
So they can employ their sons, that's the point, and

668
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,639
not just their sons. Before this terrible news about John,

669
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:44,159
we were employing other people. So we have a decision

670
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:46,960
to make support this soap company or soap companies that

671
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,159
are just made with chemicals and exploitation. Go to Alan

672
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:53,360
Soaps dot com slash todd. You get ten percent off

673
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,280
all of their products there. It's Alan Soaps dot Com

674
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,480
slash todd. So these ugly truths, you know, Cameron, you're

675
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,519
talking about and that change and people admitting things. And

676
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,960
I watched this with young men because I work in

677
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,559
the youth ministry. I'm blessed to do that. And when

678
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:16,079
you have a young man come to you and say Hey,

679
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,320
can I talk to you and pull a side? And

680
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:21,000
here's the thing that I look for. This is so astonishing.

681
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:23,599
Is young man pulled me aside through the nights and hey,

682
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:26,079
can I chat privately with you? Sure? And because he goes, hey,

683
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:27,719
first of all, Ie, your wife was sick.

684
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,159
Speaker 3: How is she?

685
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:31,159
Speaker 1: She's a lot better? Thank you for asking. Okay, your daughter,

686
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:34,000
how's she doing? My daughter's good man, Thank you very much.

687
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:36,440
My daughter's in an exotic location and she went out

688
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,400
for Thanksgiving for some I had around here. Miss her

689
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,559
a little bit, but she's having fun. Cool. I'm glad

690
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:43,840
they're well. The reason I want to share this with

691
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:50,400
you is I did some things on Thanksgiving break and

692
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,320
I'm super not proud of them, and I'm wondering if

693
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,719
you'd help me tell my parents.

694
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: Wow.

695
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, So young man goes to and says, so, you

696
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,280
know what, I relapse on porn, bad Todd. I looked

697
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,000
at some stuff I can't even believe. I looked at

698
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,039
and tried to get my girlfriend to look at it

699
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:16,920
with me, and she broke up with me because she

700
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,920
thought it was gross, And I like, honestly, go good

701
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,800
for her, sweet good Christian girl.

702
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: Is she here?

703
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: He goes, she's here, she won't even talk to me.

704
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,119
And to be able to say, I'm so proud of you.

705
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,960
I love you, even though you chose to sin, I

706
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,679
love you, so does Jesus. So first of all, let's

707
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:39,280
pray into this and let's give this to Jesus. And

708
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,840
I see that you're repenting, And he said, I this

709
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,880
was the crazy thing. He goes, I finally get that word,

710
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:51,320
you know, repent. Finally get that I'm sick with myself. Well,

711
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,280
help me tell my parents. Sure, I'll hope it, tell

712
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,800
you folks, all right, see. And but for me, there's

713
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,199
so many elements to that, and it begins with thinking

714
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:07,159
outside yourself. So how important is that aspect to this

715
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,320
life change that you gain this ability to think outside yourself?

716
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,639
Because I think when you're addicted to stuff, a satan

717
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:20,159
saying you're happy, this is happiness and it's at all costs.

718
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:23,000
But dude, look how happy you are and our young lady,

719
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,159
look how happy you are. Look how thrilling this is.

720
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,400
And distract destroyed the press. That's the distract part. And

721
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,440
you're not thinking outside yourself. You're not even thinking within

722
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,239
your family unit like you like no you're not thinking

723
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:40,840
in your family unit at all costs. So how important

724
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,599
are at what stage does that come in? Do you

725
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:44,800
see where people then kind of boom, wake up and

726
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,360
once again they're thinking outside themselves or thinking outside themselves

727
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:47,960
for the first time.

728
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:56,519
Speaker 4: Well, I think the word repentance specifically gets confused a

729
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:59,519
lot of times with damage control. So if individuals are

730
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,519
caught in some things, so you know or know something

731
00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:05,559
is going to come to light and now you're trying

732
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,679
to get in front of it, that's not repentance, right,

733
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,440
that's damage control. Now we encounter that all the time

734
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,599
as we have limited structure in our program for these individuals.

735
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:21,480
What you just described, that's repentance. Nobody knows except him

736
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:30,239
and the girlfriend. And he's initiating keyword, he's initiating the conversation. Right,

737
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,920
You're not seeing tells in his life and sitting him down, Hey,

738
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,400
let's talk about this, and then it, you know, comes out.

739
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 5: That's key. That's a that's a tell.

740
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,039
Speaker 4: For me that somebody is alive on the inside. When

741
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:46,960
somebody is telling on themselves, that's a byproduct of God.

742
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:52,039
That's not natural, that's not natural, that's supernatural.

743
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: Right.

744
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 5: That is the opposite of self protection.

745
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 4: That's like what you said, you're experiencing that grossness or

746
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,639
that forget the word you used, I can't stop.

747
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 5: It's disgusting, right.

748
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,119
Speaker 4: Versus normal humanity is just like yeah, it's just send it,

749
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:11,880
go for it.

750
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 5: It feels good.

751
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

752
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,079
Speaker 1: And there are times I think where God uses loved

753
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:18,679
ones to show you your sin, right, and when that

754
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:24,360
happens and you're you're confronted in that A, it's so crushing. B.

755
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,280
It's an opportunity to experience grace from loved ones and

756
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:33,679
forgiveness from loved ones. And when when you know forgiveness

757
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,480
is hard given where someone has to work to forgive you,

758
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,079
that's real.

759
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

760
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,639
Speaker 1: Like it's almost the difference between someone popping into a

761
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:50,679
store and buying you something versus they sat down and

762
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,280
made you something right right and it was real effort.

763
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,760
Or it's the widows might thing. You know, you get

764
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,119
a gift from someone like I'll just give the examp. One

765
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,239
of the guys that mentored has no money. I mean,

766
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,519
he's an SSI. He bought me because he saw the

767
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:09,559
podcast and he sees that we've got these records behind this.

768
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,039
He bought me four albums, and I mean it was

769
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:20,000
like probably twelve bucks, but for him that's two meals. Yep,

770
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,840
that's a great, big deal. That's hard one. And so

771
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,480
this sort of forgiveness, like you're right about the damage

772
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:32,760
control thing, that repentance has to contain real sorrow. True

773
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,920
forgiveness mean you could say like, oh, bro, you know

774
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,480
my bad not for You's cool, it's cool. That's not forgiveness.

775
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:44,119
That's convenience, it's politeness. But true forgiveness. Isn't it really

776
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,360
an effort to truly forgive?

777
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,079
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so?

778
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

779
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 5: Yeah? What is the rule? Act of the will?

780
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: Pardon an act of the will?

781
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to do this. I'm going to let

782
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,400
God force me to do this because I don't want

783
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,960
to do it, because I'm super.

784
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 4: Angry, and because I'm a of what I've been forgiven

785
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,400
of by God. So that empowers me now to turn

786
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,079
around and forgive others.

787
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,639
Speaker 1: That's a huge aspect to it. Isn't it like to

788
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,159
really think about? Wait, like God forgave a lot with me.

789
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,599
What's it like for individuals to forgive themselves after the

790
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,079
telling us ugly truths? What did you is that? What

791
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:22,599
you call them?

792
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,559
Speaker 3: What's your phrase again, ugly honesty?

793
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:26,639
Speaker 1: Ugly honesty? They go through an ugly honesty sision. What's

794
00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:28,119
it like for them to forgive themselves?

795
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,119
Speaker 4: That's a process because the enemy or ourselves will like

796
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:36,920
to just whisper or scream in our mind, in our

797
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,400
ear all day long, right, And so walking with an

798
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:46,800
individual and checking in and having follow up conversations. We've

799
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,960
got worksheets that we sit down and do with individual

800
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:50,639
or actually we ask them to fill it out, and

801
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:52,639
then they bring the worksheet. It's called a four year

802
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:57,559
best worksheet, and they bring that to our one on

803
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:00,280
ones that we have with them with staff, and it

804
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,920
just goes through some categories of life, and a lot

805
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,039
of it is based on what they're thinking, because what

806
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,639
you're thinking is directly determining what you're doing.

807
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 3: Right.

808
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,599
Speaker 4: And you know, we can sit in a church service

809
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:16,360
for an hour a week, but I preach way more

810
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:21,039
sermons to myself in my own head all week long, right,

811
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:23,639
just that inner monologue that never stops.

812
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: So what is that speaking about?

813
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,519
Speaker 5: And how do I infuse.

814
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 4: The truth into other individuals' regular thought process? And it's

815
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,000
eighty five percent encouragement. And I like to say eighty

816
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:40,400
five percent encouragement and fifteen percent soft correction. You know,

817
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,639
this people group specifically doesn't need to be told they

818
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,360
suck at life. They're pretty aware, right, I certainly was.

819
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,559
I certainly am aware of my own humanity. I need

820
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:53,519
wind in my sale. I need some because I don't

821
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:58,519
see it oftentimes in and in myself. Just like, dude,

822
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,800
you're amazing, Like that feels good, even now you know

823
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,719
I'm forties. I don't know how I am forty two.

824
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: You're a young kid.

825
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 4: I appreciate that when I hear that, how much more

826
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,320
an individual just getting out of incarceration or just getting

827
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,679
out of rehab and trying to get their feet underneath them,

828
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:23,800
and they're loved ones. Sometimes the closest ones. Two individuals

829
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,079
are so aware of the negative that sometimes it's actually

830
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:34,840
better if family just ceases communication for a little bit,

831
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:41,159
because oftentimes it can be overwhelmingly negative and let the

832
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:44,599
staff at absolute like just walk with this individual for

833
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:48,000
a while, because there's just so much hurt there that's legitimate, right,

834
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:53,000
Those bridges have been so torched over the years, and

835
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:54,960
so for a mom and her dad, aunt and uncle, grandma,

836
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,519
grandpa to think and sometimes rightly, like they'll never change.

837
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: There was this There was this kid I coached back

838
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:06,800
in the day when I was in community college, played

839
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,199
football there, and one of my work study programs in

840
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,079
exchange for a little bit of money off of college,

841
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:12,519
was to.

842
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 5: Coach.

843
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: So I ended up coaching this kid. Incredible wrestler, incredible kid.

844
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:23,679
And you walk into the restroom and when you wrestle

845
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,719
and you can recognize great movement. I watched this kid

846
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,639
move like wow, special kid and started to work with him.

847
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:38,800
His name is Chris. And first match comes and he's

848
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,440
on the floor with the kid that he should have

849
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,079
pinned in like seconds, and he is tight, he can

850
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:48,800
barely move. He's like getting taken down. This kid should

851
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,639
not be able to even nearly take him down. And

852
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,360
the kid got a bloody nose his opponent. And so

853
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,039
I went out and I talked to Chris, and I said,

854
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,239
I'm just I'm trying to distract him. So I said, Hey,

855
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,480
do you know that cheerleader over there but with the

856
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:08,000
other team. Yeah, blonde girl. No, she's in love with you.

857
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,679
She is, yeah, yeah, just can't stop looking at you.

858
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,639
Oh anyway, Hey, just have some fun out here, man, Relax,

859
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:21,239
have some fun, so come back together. Start they wrestle

860
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,679
Boom Chris pins the kid and upon reflection, as I

861
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,119
was thinking about that match, his dad was screaming bloody

862
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:33,480
murder at the kid. And I've been the sports dad

863
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,079
like I fell into that trap. I'm embarrassed to say,

864
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:39,000
and I've repented to that. It was gross. I can't

865
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:43,760
believe I fell into that. Having watched it, and I

866
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,280
got to as a young kid pulled that dad aside.

867
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,880
He came to practice and we had these portal doors,

868
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,159
so like the circle windows. I said, hey, miss, and

869
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:55,800
I said this last time. I won't say it on

870
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,559
the show, but you know, sir, I want you to

871
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:00,880
watch your son Russell. And he looked at the wind

872
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,800
and he goes, why doesn't he do that matches? I said, yeah,

873
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:09,000
that's all due respect. He's terrified of you.

874
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:11,079
Speaker 3: He is.

875
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,599
Speaker 1: And this guy confessed to say, you know what, I

876
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:17,039
was a professional hockey player.

877
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

878
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:20,679
Speaker 1: And so the point of the story is this promise

879
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,760
it's not just me like telling old man stories. Is

880
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:30,719
it was four or five years later. I hadn't seen this. Kids.

881
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,079
I dropped out of college, went and played in bands.

882
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:35,440
I'm doing other things. But some of my buddies are wrestling. Said, Hey,

883
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,719
the state founder's coming on, I'm going to go watching.

884
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,440
Some of my friends are wrestling coaches. So oh yeah, yo, gosh,

885
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,239
my friends are coaches now. And I show up down

886
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,599
there and there's the kid and he's winning his second

887
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:50,119
state championship and oh my gosh. And so I'm just

888
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:52,119
down on the floor hanging out with my buddies are coaches,

889
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:52,960
and this kid looks over me.

890
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 5: And goes, oh, coach Todd.

891
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: And it runs over to me, jumps up in my arms, like,

892
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,119
and I'm crying. I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything,

893
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:06,039
but he remembered that's change. So I wanted to ask you,

894
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:09,800
like you walked the life you spoke in that cigarette. Man,

895
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,519
this is not for me. And then God causes you.

896
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,119
I'm going to commit your change. Twenty two years later,

897
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:19,079
you run Absolute Ministries dot org. You can donate money there.

898
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,360
They need to reach their year end goal. This is

899
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,440
a donation based organization. No one's getting rich doing this.

900
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:30,400
It's Absolute Ministries dot org and go donate there. Tell

901
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,880
me about the one of the first times you met

902
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,280
someone who graduated your program and you just and they

903
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,280
did it and it worked. I mean, tell me about that,

904
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,679
like one are the first ones you remember?

905
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: I love these.

906
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 5: We had an individual come to us.

907
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 4: He was about forty years old and he grew up

908
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,440
in California. He still actually texts me every morning. Awesome,

909
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,400
just what you're talking about? Yeah, right, because individuals remember

910
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:03,639
the role you played in their life.

911
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: Even if it's minor.

912
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,639
Speaker 4: In my case, I said, nothing gonna We're gonna play

913
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:08,559
a role. So are you gonna be the villain or

914
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:13,239
the superhero? And you know, I'm just taking some creative

915
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,559
license there, but what will they remember you as the villain?

916
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,480
Is the negative? The dad in that story, right, just

917
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:22,400
constantly chiding doesn't mean it wasn't true.

918
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 5: Do better, do better?

919
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: Right?

920
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: But man, the guy, the kid knew he was struggling. Yeah.

921
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 4: So this individual is forty years old, he comes to us,

922
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,239
spent all of his twenties locked up in the California

923
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,320
Department of Corrections, didn't see a daist sunlight in his twenties,

924
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:47,719
outside the system, into his thirties, gets released, relapses contributes

925
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,599
to the recidivism rates that are overwhelming. And I can

926
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:55,199
tell you why we can get into that ends up

927
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,119
coming to us and we walk alongside him. This this

928
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:07,599
individual captures every room he walks into. He struggled dramatically

929
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,639
through a program. He spent over two years with us,

930
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,800
and I'd like to highlight that just for a second,

931
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,199
that we're doing real life with these individuals. It's just

932
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,159
with a full time team of people staff around them,

933
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:21,519
dedicated to their success.

934
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

935
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:23,519
Speaker 5: I mean what does that cost.

936
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 4: In real life? A full time consulting team who's like

937
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:29,719
just with you, facilitating life to make you successful.

938
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,599
Speaker 1: Personal experience thirty thousand months, thirty thousand bucks a months

939
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:34,119
in some cases. I know that for a fact.

940
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:35,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

941
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 4: So he through our partnership, through our job partnerships, we

942
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:41,679
got him a job.

943
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 5: He worked at multiple jobs, but.

944
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 4: Slowly began proving himself and through a connection one of

945
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,800
our board members has got him a job in a

946
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school district, big school district, doing custodial work. Crushed it.

947
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Loved by the kids in that very huge school district

948
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:05,119
in western Washington. Lots of kids in that school district

949
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:11,119
who don't have dads, and this individual was the light

950
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,639
in their day, just filled up the hallway with this

951
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,599
just the presence. I got just love the kids and

952
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:23,760
invested in them. And he just two years ago, twenty

953
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,400
twenty three, got the Employee of the Year district wide. Yeah,

954
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:31,079
in western Washington, and.

955
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,039
Speaker 5: So cool, like that's wild.

956
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,199
Speaker 4: Didn't see one day of his twenties in the California

957
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:41,800
Department of Corrections, comes up here, goes through our process

958
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,119
and gets employee of the Year district wide.

959
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 5: Voted on by his peers.

960
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 3: So cool.

961
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 5: And if you're listening, I love you, so proud of you.

962
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

963
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,599
Speaker 1: I shouldn't met you and I'm proud of you. Yeah,

964
00:51:57,639 --> 00:51:59,880
real quickly and we can have you back in a

965
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:01,960
like to do that. Love to just talk about personal

966
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:05,280
change with people and particlarly young people love this idea

967
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,400
of this whiteboard confrontation or intervention. I actually liked that

968
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,679
show Intervention. You know, hey, you know we brought you

969
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:15,079
here for the falling reasons. This is as you're making

970
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:17,119
are harming us in your family, and today we want

971
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,280
to give you the gift of treatment. And that was

972
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,519
actually a really good show. So just give us the

973
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,320
low lights on why we have such a high recidivism rate.

974
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:29,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'd love to get partnered with that show

975
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:30,559
because there's a lot of people.

976
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,679
Speaker 3: Oh you could be that show.

977
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just need to call an absolute intervention. Yeah,

978
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,960
if only knew someone in lots of content, I'll tell

979
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:40,239
you that.

980
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: If only new people in the media business.

981
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:42,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, who does know?

982
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:43,559
Speaker 3: People in the media.

983
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: Business don't know with a studio or something. I don't.

984
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 4: So recidivism rates are contributed to First of all, there

985
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,880
the rates are off the chart. They're terrible, right, nine

986
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,119
out of ten fail they go through treatment like that's wild,

987
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:01,639
especially for the amount of money and the funds being

988
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:02,880
invested in that space.

989
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 5: Okay, I think with over.

990
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 4: Twenty years of personal experience, the reason for that is

991
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,920
because what we just talked about, the structure is easy.

992
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:20,400
In the program, they walk out the door and the

993
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,400
structure disappears gone. There's no self structure that's been developed.

994
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,440
It was all external structure, like an exoskeleton. I think

995
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,320
of a tomato plant and the tomato cage, right, the

996
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,440
tomato cage goes.

997
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,079
Speaker 3: Away and tips over.

998
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 4: And so when you look at the six areas of

999
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,599
life that we specifically facilitate, so the safe and stable housing,

1000
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:45,559
the job placement, the transportation, the financial framework and guidance

1001
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:49,280
how and where to relationships, So getting individuals grafted into

1002
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:53,119
the local church through our authored mentoring process, and then

1003
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:57,360
our department of Corrections and legal assistants all six of

1004
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,599
those areas. If an individual has to only one of

1005
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:04,679
those has to tip over in their life for the

1006
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,119
other five to tip over. Also, so somebody has a

1007
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:11,280
bad day with their car, their car doesn't start, they

1008
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,239
lose their job.

1009
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: Yep.

1010
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 4: The other categories all fall like dominoes. And this is

1011
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,960
why we've had overwhelming success because we've got a team.

1012
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 5: Of people and a fleet of vehicles.

1013
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 4: And safe and stable housing that's all facilitated by us,

1014
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,360
and we're walking it out with them, and it's a

1015
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,119
graduated structure, so they come in they're much more dependent

1016
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:37,679
on us at the beginning in season one. Our workbook

1017
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,679
is four seasons, four chapters, and by the time they

1018
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,880
get through to season four, they're.

1019
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 5: Doing it themselves.

1020
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 4: They've used a word earlier, a groove or a process

1021
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,199
each season, each chapter. It's not new stuff. It's the

1022
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,880
same route, but it's been deepened.

1023
00:54:59,199 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1024
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:02,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would shortcut this in a way that

1025
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:04,599
that all those six things are so important that that

1026
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,800
a if you've never been through this or watched someone

1027
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,320
through it the barriers that society puts in front of you.

1028
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,679
They're imments. I've a guide, worked with and mentored and

1029
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,840
and God put him back into my life recently, and

1030
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,920
he put himself back in prison because he couldn't stand

1031
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,960
being in a parole because he wanted to be free

1032
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:25,599
or not. So, you know what, I don't like the

1033
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,159
fact that my po can just walk into my house. Yeah,

1034
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,719
I don't like that. And I'm gonna end up snapping

1035
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:33,880
and I'm gonna yell at him. I'm gonna like, he's

1036
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,440
gonna wake me up one morning and I'm gonna get

1037
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,760
in his face. So he put himself back inside. Okay,

1038
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:45,320
he's out. And this PO right now will not let

1039
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:52,280
him live anywhere near jobs, nowhere near services, because he

1040
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,440
needs to live at the point of origination of the crime.

1041
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:01,519
I mean, he's this guy's just by the book. Consequently,

1042
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:06,480
he lives in a camper with no insulation. I recently

1043
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,440
was gifted My wife and I were able to give

1044
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:14,239
him a propane heater and a solar generator. And I

1045
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,440
drive out to meet him and he said, hey, there's

1046
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,480
no address where I live. I'm gonna drop your opinion.

1047
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:21,079
You can drive back here, and I'm like, no, bro,

1048
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:24,559
I'm not driving into tweaker paradise, not doing it, So

1049
00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:30,599
come and meet me here. He has job, offers great

1050
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:32,280
short of cook and this guy wants Jesus and he

1051
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,880
wants to change lives an hour and a half from me.

1052
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,119
And these are some of the barriers that society puts up. Now, look,

1053
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:41,800
I'm I'm you need to pay for your crime. I'm

1054
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,079
not a softer on crime guy. This guy committed some

1055
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:51,239
hardcore crimes. He was not a human traffick, but a

1056
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,159
drug trafficker for some cartels, and they'd very much like

1057
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,480
their money back. So he's not always in the safest place.

1058
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:03,639
Where do we draw this line? Because you don't just

1059
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:05,840
work with offenders who work with other people. You teach

1060
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,199
people how to live. Sounds like you're expanding the mission.

1061
00:57:08,199 --> 00:57:09,519
A lot of people need to know how to live.

1062
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,079
Where do we as a society draw this line? In

1063
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:19,039
your mind? You know, the Lord I require, I desire mercy,

1064
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,079
not sacrifice. Right, the Lord Jesus has said, you need

1065
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:24,840
to know what this means. My father, my father wants mercy,

1066
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,599
not sacrifice. Where do we draw the line as the

1067
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:30,119
society on making sure that we put people who need

1068
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:34,119
to go away away, but then making sure they come

1069
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:36,119
out and don't always go.

1070
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:43,679
Speaker 5: Backslide. Yeah.

1071
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 4: I used to be so when I was staff in

1072
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:50,039
this program, not at Absolute, and it worked in another

1073
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:55,960
program for years. Initially I was the buy the book guy,

1074
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:02,519
and it didn't yield any thing good. I could tack

1075
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:04,719
people to the wall for breaking the rules and it

1076
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,360
made me feel good. But that's because I was insecure.

1077
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,159
I needed the affirmation or the validation that I'm okay,

1078
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,000
I'm doing a good job. Look at me, Look at

1079
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:22,599
look I you know, got Bill in trouble for not

1080
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:24,280
hitting the mark he.

1081
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: Was supposed to hit sounds pair seeing.

1082
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:34,599
Speaker 4: And when we started Absolute, I employed that at the beginning.

1083
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,920
But when you're ultimately responsible for something, yeah, you look

1084
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,639
at it a little closer and you start to do

1085
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:45,199
some soul searching and digging, like, Okay, what am I

1086
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:49,079
what's going on here? What are these results? What's what's

1087
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:53,320
going on in these results? And that's where things changed.

1088
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:58,719
That's where we became wind in the sail versus just

1089
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,840
tacking people to the wall.

1090
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, praise God, I think that's a great way to

1091
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,679
explain it. We'd love to have you back. It's Absolute

1092
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,800
Ministries dot org and this is a great place for

1093
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,599
your donation. I assume it's tax deductible, yes, sir, all right,

1094
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:13,880
Absolute Ministers dot org. Appreciate you and God bless you

1095
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:14,920
for your work. Thank you very much.

1096
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: Keren, thank you very much.

1097
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:16,599
Speaker 5: Appreciate you.

1098
00:59:16,639 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: Todd, please come back. This is the Todd Hermershell. Please go,

1099
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,239
be well, be strong, be kind, and make every effort

1100
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:24,400
to walk in the light of Christ and man. I

1101
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,199
get to go home and be fully seen and man

1102
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and that word pulls a lot of weight in my

1103
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life and fully loved.