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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Welcome to another episode of the Nonprofits. And today

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to talk about somebody appointments that our

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<v Speaker 1>new president. They were going to talk about one appointment

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<v Speaker 1>that our new president is making. And to take us there,

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<v Speaker 1>Cindy Plaza is going to lead us along the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Take it away, Cindy Hey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, every single person Trump has nominated for a position

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<v Speaker 2>in his future government is problematic in some way. Matt Gates,

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<v Speaker 2>Telsy Gabbard, RFK Junior, memet Oz, and dozens of others.

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<v Speaker 2>Today where we're looking into Pete Hexeth, who is set

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<v Speaker 2>together a Defense secretary position, which is not nothing. Trump

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<v Speaker 2>wants him there because of his experience swimming in the military,

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<v Speaker 2>but we now learn that he was flagged as a

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<v Speaker 2>potential military in side threat because he wears a tattoo

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<v Speaker 2>associated with white nationalist groups. This story is from ABC

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<v Speaker 2>News by Lucien Brugerman and Nathan Luna on vemor eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think it's a real problem. I probably

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<v Speaker 1>more than most people are looking at. I do wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to ask aj though, because we're not talking about some tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you elaborate on the nature of his tattoos exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what they are.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he set tattoos first came under securtiny following the

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<v Speaker 3>January sixth votes at the US Capitol because he was

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<v Speaker 3>being considered as one of these service members to be

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<v Speaker 3>part of Biden's inauguration security, like the team that they

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<v Speaker 3>assembolware for security. So when they were reviewing all of

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<v Speaker 3>this information about him, some of his fellow service members

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<v Speaker 3>became concerned about his tattoo because this specific warning is

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<v Speaker 3>being used by nationalists, and so he was leveled as

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<v Speaker 3>an insider threat determines that there is a risk that

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<v Speaker 3>this person, you know, whether they're an employee or a

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<v Speaker 3>contractor or another other person, will use any type of

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<v Speaker 3>information and access to harm the security of the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. So I think it's irresponsible to consider anyone

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<v Speaker 3>who is you know, in the past, has been labeled

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<v Speaker 3>as a potential insider to it to serve in any

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<v Speaker 3>capacity with the US government, especially the Defense Department.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's a real problem. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that there are a lot of people within the conservative

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<v Speaker 1>movement with in America, and I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 1>all of them, but there does seem to be these

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<v Speaker 1>few that are putting together conservatism and patriotism with bigotry

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<v Speaker 1>and white supremacy and fascist idealism. Now, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to say everybody does that, but you get people like

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Hegseth with this tattoo, and the whole controversy started

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<v Speaker 1>months ago, and then he was deflecting and said it

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<v Speaker 1>was that he started talking about how his other tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't that. So it's like it's almost like they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to hide their real views. What do you think of that, Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I have a little bit of an an interest

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<v Speaker 4>inness in one particular way, and that's because as a

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<v Speaker 4>former naval officer, I had a lot to do with

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<v Speaker 4>primarily physical security but also clearances. And so it's to me,

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<v Speaker 4>it seems that this is a really, really bad idea.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm actually kind of appalled, a little bit disgusted at

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<v Speaker 4>the current selectees for cabinet positions, but predominantly this one

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<v Speaker 4>is a bad idea. He doesn't have a a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of military experience. B it was with the National Guard,

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<v Speaker 4>not full time, and except for he was deployed, so

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<v Speaker 4>there was a six eight month I don't know what,

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<v Speaker 4>but it just makes me nervous when you see about

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<v Speaker 4>giving an overseeing a position for entire the largest military

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<v Speaker 4>operation in the world, all of the detail and absolute

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<v Speaker 4>complexity of modern warfare, modern acquisition of weapons, development of

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<v Speaker 4>weapons through DHARPA, and all that. He has no experience

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<v Speaker 4>with an upper level military position, and he is going

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<v Speaker 4>to really take a long time, probably the entire four

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<v Speaker 4>years to figure out his left hand from his right

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<v Speaker 4>hand at that point. So I'm and I have a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of other problems with it. The gentleman is going

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<v Speaker 4>to destroy the separation of church and state. His tattoos

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<v Speaker 4>may be an indication of that, But I think that

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<v Speaker 4>first the appointment is simply to test loyalty in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 4>If they'll pass this guy and those other people, then

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<v Speaker 4>you know they are are real sycophants. So there are

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<v Speaker 4>centuries long military traditions of non political stance. You're not

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<v Speaker 4>a political in the military, and you can be political

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<v Speaker 4>in your private life, but in the military, wearing a uniform,

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<v Speaker 4>you're a political. That's across all the services, and the

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<v Speaker 4>training is secular and the indoctrination is strictly about war fighting.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a non preferential treatment of religion. Any religion goes

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<v Speaker 4>just leave it out of the military. When you're on duty,

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<v Speaker 4>your religion don't count no more. Everybody's secular. At that point,

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<v Speaker 4>that whole thing is about to be overturned. And that

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<v Speaker 4>means that what has been going on illegally in certain

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<v Speaker 4>military academies where they are making cadets go to sessions

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<v Speaker 4>of proselytizing by evangelicals or have like extra duty or

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<v Speaker 4>other things they have to do which are work related

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<v Speaker 4>if they don't go. And even up to the point

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<v Speaker 4>some chaplains in the military have boasted about being evangelical

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<v Speaker 4>and creating Jesus warriors when these people have just gone

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<v Speaker 4>through training that has put them at the lowest point

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<v Speaker 4>they have ever been in their life, and they're grabbing

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<v Speaker 4>them at this point. Now, there are organizations that have

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<v Speaker 4>fought back against us and are fighting back against this.

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<v Speaker 4>But I am going to tell you that if you're

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<v Speaker 4>sleep deprived, hungry, soaking, wet and cold, it's not the

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<v Speaker 4>time to be preaching religion at you. It's time to

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<v Speaker 4>be preaching. How you not get that way in that situation.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's just it's just a really, really nasty situation.

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<v Speaker 4>And this guy has no clue what he's doing. Once

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<v Speaker 4>he gets there. He doesn't have a clue now, he

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<v Speaker 4>won't have a clue later. And he can't be trained

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<v Speaker 4>in the time allotted to be able to do a

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<v Speaker 4>senior military position like that. If he had been an

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<v Speaker 4>admiral or a general, he would have had an entire

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<v Speaker 4>fleet or an entire army unit, whatever, brigade or something

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<v Speaker 4>to give him the knowledge about how to order stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>how to how to find stuff, how to contract for stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>all how to get that stuff to the troops, how

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<v Speaker 4>the transportation system works, how all that's organized when you're

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<v Speaker 4>going into a conflict, during the conflict and after the conflict.

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<v Speaker 4>I just don't think that he's going to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to handle all that in any way that is going

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<v Speaker 4>to be applicable to any stressful situations we come across

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<v Speaker 4>and in the volatile world right now, that is not

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<v Speaker 4>who we need in this position. So this will be

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<v Speaker 4>a disaster. And if the senior military officers are there's

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<v Speaker 4>another point, if the senior military officers are too slow

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<v Speaker 4>to implement the policies of of this individual. You know

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<v Speaker 4>what happens in.

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<v Speaker 1>Cindy. How have you been feeling throughout this whole election

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<v Speaker 1>and nomination process. I know I haven't feeling you good

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<v Speaker 1>about it, but what do you what's your take on it,

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<v Speaker 1>especially since you're NATO American.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so after I saw the results of the election,

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<v Speaker 2>and more importantly, I saw several commentators saying that basically

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<v Speaker 2>he won thanks to translate, and that sent me into

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<v Speaker 2>a state of dread and despair. I didn't turn on

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<v Speaker 2>the news for for an entire week, state of Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>and YouTube and everything for an entire week. And each

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<v Speaker 2>nomination just keeps comforting this this feeling. Trump seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be picking the worst candidate for every single position. Here

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<v Speaker 2>we are talking about hiring someone to lead the US

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<v Speaker 2>military that was expelled from it because he poses an insight, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which which is crazy. The very type of people you

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<v Speaker 2>really don't want in the military is put in charge

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and and that's the point for Trump, and

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<v Speaker 2>he does that for every position. So we will probably

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<v Speaker 2>do a segment on how he plans to avoid having

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<v Speaker 2>to vet his nominees through Congress. Maybe we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this in a future episode. But yeah, this seems to

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<v Speaker 2>me like the first step to autocracy. Limit the powers

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<v Speaker 2>of Congress and have the president decide everything and put

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<v Speaker 2>sic event in charge of the highest positions. But to me,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a bigger issue here, and Jonathan seem to go

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<v Speaker 2>in this direction. Having installed Christian supremacists in many high

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<v Speaker 2>places and high level positions, increases the risk that the

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<v Speaker 2>US will use its global influence to impose its religion

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<v Speaker 2>on the rest of the world. So far, the US

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<v Speaker 2>expansionism has been fueled by greed and power, But if

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<v Speaker 2>you add this religion to the mix, especially with the

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<v Speaker 2>current situation in the Middle East, you'll get a very,

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<v Speaker 2>very explosive cocktail. And as if Tran's presidency wasn't scary

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<v Speaker 2>enough for the rest of us, outside the US, there's

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<v Speaker 2>that threat looming in the future. So yeah, not great.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I don't think it's very great either. Honestly, AJ,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about the tattoos a little bit. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that you could legitimately say that these tattoos are

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<v Speaker 1>a sign of his faith and not of his political views.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, firstly, I want to clarify for the viewers because

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think we've described this specific tattoo that we're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about, and it's a tattoo that says does worlds,

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<v Speaker 3>which means God wills it. I'm sorry, I probably messed

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<v Speaker 3>up the pronunciation, but it's okay. So it means God

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<v Speaker 3>wills it. And in recent years this phrase has been

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<v Speaker 3>appropriated by far right and neo Nazis and extremist hate

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<v Speaker 3>groups to inside violence. So this is problematic with that

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<v Speaker 3>one as it is. And I don't think that there's

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<v Speaker 3>a way to make this specific tattoo about faith. That's

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<v Speaker 3>because this isn't the only concerning tattoo. If this was

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<v Speaker 3>his only tattoo of the sword, then you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't look at it twice. But the fact is he

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<v Speaker 3>has several learning pieces of ink in addition to the

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<v Speaker 3>obvious one that we just discussed. He also has the

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<v Speaker 3>Jerusalem costs on his chest. And this isn't just any costs. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>He can claim that it isn't hateful all he wants,

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<v Speaker 3>but history says otherwise. This was a symbol of the

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<v Speaker 3>knights templar, and it's also referred to as the Crusader's

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<v Speaker 3>cost That's how you need to know about that one, right.

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<v Speaker 3>In addition to that one, he has on his upper

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<v Speaker 3>arm the thirteen flag, the thirteen star flag, it's called

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<v Speaker 3>and underneath it it's an AR fifteen assault type rifle.

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<v Speaker 3>Then there is the cross with the sword on his

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<v Speaker 3>arm that references a biblical quote from Matthew and that says,

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<v Speaker 3>do not think that I have come to bring peace

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<v Speaker 3>to earth. I have not come to bring peace but

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<v Speaker 3>a sword. So this is like fighting sort of tattoos

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<v Speaker 3>that are inciting violence. And he has patriotic nationalist tattoos.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that one could definitely recognize as far right

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<v Speaker 3>symbols like the one on his lower arm that says

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<v Speaker 3>we the people, or the snake that says you know

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<v Speaker 3>the joint or dies snake that represents the American Revolution.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, when you combine all of these tattoos,

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<v Speaker 3>like I said, it's not just one, it's the collection

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<v Speaker 3>of all of them as a whole. What else do

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<v Speaker 3>you expect but this big bold I'm a Christian nationalist

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<v Speaker 3>outcry message written literally all over his body.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not completely convinced, I'll be honest with you that

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<v Speaker 1>what his tattoos are, I can see them being interpreted

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<v Speaker 1>in two different ways. I also want to point out

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<v Speaker 1>that Deu's fault was like a catchphrase of the crusades

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<v Speaker 1>as well, So a lot of the crusaders were yelling

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<v Speaker 1>at in the battles. So God wills it. I can

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<v Speaker 1>see where he can honestly say these are part of

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<v Speaker 1>my faith and not my political views. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the things that is a problem here,

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<v Speaker 1>is because there's this ambiguity about the tattoos. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sick enough for Pete Hegseitt believe me, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that we can honestly say for a positive

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent that these tattoos are representing that. Now, John,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you said you had some concerns about the

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<v Speaker 1>separation of church and state over this. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>any other concerns maybe that you know about the military

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<v Speaker 1>his leadership of the military.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a lot of issues with this particular nominee,

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<v Speaker 4>and one of the ones that is probably of great

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<v Speaker 4>interest of the Pentagon itself is that this person is

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<v Speaker 4>going to be demanding, just like his boss, total loyalty,

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<v Speaker 4>which means that anybody who objects to an order or

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<v Speaker 4>a policy that's illegal or an illegal order can be

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<v Speaker 4>just replaced with another sycophont. The problem with that is

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<v Speaker 4>that most senior officers are very very loyal to one thing,

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<v Speaker 4>the constitution, So if you give them an illegal order,

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<v Speaker 4>they're probably going to refuse to take it. If they

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<v Speaker 4>are if that is doubled down on, they have a choice.

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<v Speaker 4>They can either hope they know they have a choice.

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<v Speaker 4>They can either do what they're told, do what they're

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<v Speaker 4>ordered to, or resign. If all the senior leaders who

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<v Speaker 4>know what they're doing resign, what do you have leading

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<v Speaker 4>The other thing is that this person would work probably

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<v Speaker 4>normally fail any background check to get a clearance. So

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<v Speaker 4>since he has to be dealing with extremely classified material

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<v Speaker 4>in the military above the secret level, he's probably going

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<v Speaker 4>and that's not the way to do it. We have

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<v Speaker 4>another possible or probable in my mind, leak of very

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<v Speaker 4>not thinking well of us. So these are just two

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<v Speaker 4>more of the real problems I have with us. There's

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<v Speaker 4>you know, our literal security as a nation is at

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<v Speaker 4>stake with us, and somebody is just playing roulette with it,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, And I'm just I'm not comfortable with any of.

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<v Speaker 1>This, Cindy, are you worried about you know you mentioned it,

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<v Speaker 1>but how really argue about the religious nature of some

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<v Speaker 1>of the recent cabinet nominations. See, do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to create real problems for our nation,

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<v Speaker 1>for the United States?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, I think it's going to create real problems

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<v Speaker 2>for the US and for the rest of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>because we all know that even in twenty sixteen when

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was elected, it was because of the evangelical vote.

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<v Speaker 2>And so now he has no restraint because he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>need to appeal to moderate people, because he won't try

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<v Speaker 2>to get a third mandate, so he can do whatever

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<v Speaker 2>he wants. And that's scary. That's scary because the guy

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<v Speaker 2>has no limit. He doesn't have any shame, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have any decency, he doesn't have anything. The only thing

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<v Speaker 2>he has is I want people to adore me, and

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<v Speaker 2>and that's that's everything he wants and money and avoid prison,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why he uh tried to get elected in

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<v Speaker 2>it's terrifying all this uh and even even though it's

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<v Speaker 2>not exactly white supremacism that's displayed by by his tatoos,

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<v Speaker 2>He's it's still as a j described it, it's still

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<v Speaker 2>I want to impose religion to everyone. So that that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's something that that's very scary because we also know

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump is going to try to use the military

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<v Speaker 2>so if he does and we start seeing people from

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<v Speaker 2>different religion religions inside those camps, what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>people like him are going to do to Muslim people?

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<v Speaker 2>For example? What do you think he's start to tell

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<v Speaker 3>I have to agree with with Cindy, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>were just Sindy, like I have a lot of respect

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<v Speaker 3>for anyone that serves in the military. Right, he may

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<v Speaker 3>be a decorated veteran, but this does not give someone

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<v Speaker 3>the skills on the back round necessary to run the

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<v Speaker 3>defense department of an entire country. And you can tell

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<v Speaker 3>that Hegseet's goal is really clear from his public messages. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>he has it in his mind that everyone is targeting Christianity.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a Catholic, He's a very hardcore Catholic, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>publicly stated on social media that the targeting Christians conservatives, patriots,

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<v Speaker 3>and everyday Americans will end on day one of the

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<v Speaker 3>new administrations. So he has a clear goal, he has

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's not even that they were being targeted.

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<v Speaker 4>See that's a narrative. They're trying to say that the

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<v Speaker 4>other people were being targeted, that they were being targeted.

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<v Speaker 4>It's another claiming victimhood for people who are in the

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<v Speaker 4>majority and in the powers structure. So it's like, that's

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<v Speaker 4>just such a lie, and it's deceptive, and this guy's deceitful,

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<v Speaker 4>just like anybody else he's chosen for his cabinet. But

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just I'm just really not not happy because this

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<v Speaker 4>negotiates with other people's defense and war departments and and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, has to work with other people like South

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<v Speaker 4>American and African nations joint exercises. And if he's a

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<v Speaker 4>white supremacist, that could cause a lot of problems in

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<v Speaker 4>the negotiating room too. If he just makes a few slips,

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<v Speaker 4>we could lose allies, and that's going to be a

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<v Speaker 4>problem as well. But I totally agree with Cindy and

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<v Speaker 4>Aja that there are so many reasons why this is

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<v Speaker 4>a bad idea, and that's just, you know, just one more.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering who is going to suffer the most, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's the American people or the rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good question. I think it's probably going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the rest of the world unfortunately. And John, I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to point out that there has been a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of really bad militaries where there were people in

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<v Speaker 1>that military force before it got bad who decided to

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<v Speaker 1>follow the new bad leader. It has happened throughout history.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though we hope that our officers are higher

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<v Speaker 1>level officers will follow the constitution, that's all we can

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<v Speaker 1>really do is hope