1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: I want you to just close your eyes for a second. 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, set the scene right, picture this. 3 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: It is New Year's Eve, nineteen eighty two. 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:09,439 Speaker 2: Okay. 5 00:00:09,759 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 3: We are in Kent Cliffs, New York. It's about an 6 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,120 hour north of New York City, deep in the Hudson Valley, right, 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,199 and it is bitter cold, you know that kind of 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,000 Northeast winter cold where the air just feels I don't know. 9 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: Thin, oh yeah, thin, and chirping your lungs. The ground 10 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:26,879 is frozen solid, exactly. 11 00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: It's the kind of night where, well, where sound travels forever. 12 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,399 Speaker 2: You can hear a car door slam from a mile 13 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:33,359 away on a night. 14 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,359 Speaker 3: Like that, right, And people are out. It's just before midnight. 15 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:40,359 They've got their coats buttoned up to their chins. They're 16 00:00:40,719 --> 00:00:43,159 holding plastic cups of champagne, and they're. 17 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Looking up, waiting for the countdown, waiting for the countdown. 18 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,079 Speaker 3: They're waiting for fireworks to mark the transition into nineteen 19 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:50,920 eighty three. Maybe they're hoping the clouds break so they 20 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,039 can see some stars. It's just this moment of pure 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,119 noisy anticipation. 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,039 Speaker 2: But the noise never comes. That is the critical detail here, 23 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,000 the anticipation of a bang followed by a silence that 24 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:06,120 is almost heavier than the noise. 25 00:01:05,879 --> 00:01:09,519 Speaker 3: Would have been right because instead of fireworks, the people 26 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,959 in Kent Cliffs see something that just completely breaks their reality. 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: The sky it shifts, shifts. 28 00:01:16,439 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 3: The stars get blocked out, and this massive V shaped 29 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:23,480 shadow glides over the crowd. We aren't talking about a 30 00:01:23,519 --> 00:01:26,879 plane at thirty thousand feet. We are talking about something low, 31 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:33,280 something terrifyingly large and silent, dead silent. Imagine a structure 32 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,719 the size of a football field or maybe bigger, floating 33 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,200 over your head, effectively defying gravity. And it's not making 34 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,280 a sound none at all. No jet engines, no prop wash, 35 00:01:43,359 --> 00:01:43,879 just I mean. 36 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:44,439 Speaker 1: Just presence. 37 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: It creates a cognitive dissonance. Your brain sees something that large, 38 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:50,040 moving that slowly, and it expects a. 39 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:52,799 Speaker 1: Rumble, right, you expect it in your chest exactly. 40 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: It expects the ground to shake. When that doesn't happen, 41 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:57,920 the fear response is immediate and primal. 42 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,439 Speaker 3: It's the ghost in the machine, or rather the machine 43 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,959 is a ghost. Welcome to Thrilling Threads. I'm your host, 44 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,879 and today we are pulling on a loose end that 45 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,719 starts up in the sky but might just end up 46 00:02:08,719 --> 00:02:11,039 somewhere completely unexpected. 47 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: And I'm here to help you navigate the labyrinth, because 48 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:17,000 today isn't just a ghost story. No, it's a case 49 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,039 study and one of the most documented yet totally baffling 50 00:02:20,759 --> 00:02:22,280 mass sightings in history. 51 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:25,479 Speaker 1: We are jumping right into the Hudson Valley enigma. 52 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: Now, usually when we talk about this topic, we talk 53 00:02:27,719 --> 00:02:30,319 about a lonely farmer in a field, or a pilot 54 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:31,240 seeing a flash. 55 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,319 Speaker 2: Of light, right, isolated incidents. 56 00:02:33,439 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: But this, this was a siege. 57 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,439 Speaker 2: Chiege is really the appropriate word. This wasn't a single 58 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:42,520 event on New Year's Eve. That night was just the 59 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,039 opening ceremony. What followed was a wave of sightings that 60 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,879 lasted from nineteen eighty two all the way through nineteen 61 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:52,400 eighty six. Wow, we are talking about over nine thousand 62 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:53,400 reported sightings. 63 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 3: Nine thousand. Let's just sit with that number for a second. 64 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,400 If nine thousand people tell you they saw a benje 65 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:01,280 in the woods, you don't debate the existence of the bear. 66 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:02,879 Speaker 2: No, you call animal control. 67 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,199 Speaker 1: Right, you call it animal control. But because it's a crash, 68 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,479 because it's anomalous, we hesitate. 69 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: Well, the implications are harder to process than a bear. 70 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,680 But today we're going to try right, and we're going 71 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:14,840 to explore theory that suggests we've been looking in the 72 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,080 wrong direction entirely. 73 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: Oh, this is the part that gets me. 74 00:03:18,439 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: We spend so much time scanning the stars for visitors, 75 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:25,319 but the Hudson Valley source material suggests that the visitors 76 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,039 might not be coming down. They might be coming. 77 00:03:27,879 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: Up up, as in from the ground. 78 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:31,199 Speaker 2: From beneath our feet. 79 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: Okay, my skin is already crawling. That triggers a whole 80 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,400 different kind of claustrophobia. But before we get to the 81 00:03:37,479 --> 00:03:41,080 underground stuff, the caverns, we have to establish what happened 82 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,680 in the sky because this object, this Hudson Valley boomerang, 83 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,120 is incredibly unique in the source material. 84 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: It is the consistency of the reports is what makes 85 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,599 this case so strong. Scientifically, if you have nine thousand 86 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:57,439 people hallucinating, they hallucinate different things, right, one sees a saucer, 87 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:00,680 one sees a cigar, one sees an angel. Hudson Valley, 88 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,719 everyone saw the same thing. 89 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:03,719 Speaker 1: So walk us through the visual. I'm standing in a 90 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:06,240 parking lot in nineteen eighty three. I look up. What 91 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:07,199 am I seeing? 92 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,039 Speaker 2: You are seeing a V shape or a boomerang? Shape. 93 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,280 But it's not just lights flying in formation. That is 94 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:18,959 a crucial distinction. Witnesses consistently reported a solid dark body 95 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,560 connecting the lights. 96 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: So it wasn't just independent orbs floating together. 97 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,879 Speaker 2: No, they described a massive solid structure that blotted out 98 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,480 the stars between the lights. It was opaque, and the 99 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,120 lights themselves were often described as multicolored red, green, and white. 100 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: Which sounds like standard aircraft lights. 101 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: Yes, but non blinking, or if they did change, they 102 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,240 changed in unison, rippling across the surface of the craft. 103 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: And the size. 104 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 3: You mentioned football field earlier, but some of the reports 105 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,000 from the sources say it was even bigger. 106 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,319 Speaker 2: Some witnesses, including aviation professionals, estimated this band to be 107 00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:58,120 closer than nine hundred feet or more nine hundred feet 108 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:01,199 for context, and aircraft carriers about one thousand feet long. 109 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:05,759 Imagine the USS Nimics floating over the Taconic State Parkway. 110 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:08,879 Speaker 1: The Taconic Parkway. I have driven that road one hundred times. 111 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: It's winding, it's dark, it's surrounded by heavy trees. There 112 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:15,240 is a really famous story about a traffic jam there 113 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,160 right the. 114 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: Night of the siege March twenty fourth, nineteen eighty three. 115 00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:23,279 This is probably the most spectacular event of the entire wave. 116 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,879 The object moves slowly right down the Taconic State Parkway. 117 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,680 It was flying so low and so slowly that drivers 118 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,240 were just slamming on their brakes. 119 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 3: I can imagine the absolute chaos. It's not like today 120 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:38,800 where everyone has a cell phone to pull out and record. 121 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,439 People were genuinely panicking getting out of their cars exactly. 122 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: Traffic came to a dead stop. Hundreds of people were 123 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,160 standing on the highway, leaning against their hoods, watching this 124 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:52,199 massive city of lights hover over them. We have reports 125 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:54,920 of people screaming, people crying, people praying. 126 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,759 Speaker 1: Because what else do you do? And again, the. 127 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: Silence, absolute silence, and that is where the physics can 128 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,120 completely breaks down. 129 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,319 Speaker 3: Let's get a little nerdy for a minute here, because 130 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:05,360 I think people hear the word silent and think, oh, 131 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:08,240 it's a glider. Why is it physically impossible for something 132 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:09,399 that big to be silent. 133 00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: It comes down to lift and thrust. In traditional aerodynamics, 134 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:15,319 to keep a heavy object in the air, you need 135 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:18,000 air moving over wings to create lyft. To get that 136 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,600 air moving, you need speed. A seven forty seven can 137 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:23,319 stay in the air because it is moving at five 138 00:06:23,439 --> 00:06:26,560 hundred or six hundred miles per hour. The engines required 139 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,720 to push it that fast are essentially controlled explosions. They 140 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,279 are deafening, right. 141 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 3: And if a seven forty seven slows down to say, 142 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,120 thirty miles per hour, it. 143 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: Falls out of the sky like a brick. It stalls completely. 144 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,439 To make a heavy object hover or move at walking speed, 145 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:45,279 which this object was doing, according to hundreds of witnesses, 146 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,720 you can't use wings. You need active downward thrust. Think 147 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:50,759 of a Hairer jet or a helicopter, and. 148 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 3: Those are incredibly loud. A helicopter hovering over your house 149 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,199 shakes the pictures off the walls. I've had life flight 150 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,600 choppers go over my neighborhood and you can't even hear yourself. 151 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:02,639 Speaker 2: Think exactly, to hover a mass the size of a 152 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:06,399 football field using conventional thrust would create a downdraft that 153 00:07:06,439 --> 00:07:09,480 would flatten trees and a sound that would shatter windows. 154 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,040 These witnesses reported the object hovering just a few hundred 155 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,079 feet above them, and they could hear the wind rustling 156 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:16,759 in the leaves. 157 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: So we are talking at some kind of anti gravity. 158 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,079 Speaker 2: We are talking about field propulsion, something that negates the 159 00:07:22,079 --> 00:07:24,879 effect of gravity on the mass of the object itself. 160 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:28,519 If you negate mass, you don't need aerodynamic lift, and 161 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,560 if you don't have combustion engines, you don't have noise. 162 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,279 It suggests a technology that is not just a few 163 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,879 years ahead of us, but a few centuries. 164 00:07:36,519 --> 00:07:37,279 Speaker 1: Or a few millennia. 165 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,519 Speaker 3: But okay, skeptics exist, and I always try to be 166 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,519 one sometimes just to keep us honest and look at 167 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,600 all the source material. Fairly, when this was happening, the 168 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:47,399 authorities must have had an explanation. 169 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: They didn't just throw up their hands and say, yep, 170 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:50,399 it's aliens. 171 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:53,759 Speaker 2: Well, they certainly tried. The official explanation, and I use 172 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,279 that term very loosely. Was the formation pilot's. 173 00:07:56,839 --> 00:07:58,839 Speaker 1: Theory the ultralight pilot? 174 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:01,959 Speaker 2: Yes, The working thing was that a group of pranksters 175 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,000 from a local airfield, specifically the Stormville Airport, were flying 176 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:11,360 ultralight aircraft basically hang gliders with lawnmower engines strapped to them, 177 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,560 and they were flying in a tight V formation to 178 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:14,199 trick people. 179 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,639 Speaker 3: Okay, on the surface, if you squint, that sounds plausible. 180 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:20,360 Ultra Lights are quietish and if you line them up 181 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:23,199 maybe it looks like a solid v it falls. 182 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: Apart the moment you apply any real scrutiny. First, ultra 183 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:30,639 lights are not silent. They sound like chainsaws. A dozen 184 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,679 of them flying together would sound like a biker gang 185 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:33,159 in the sky. 186 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: And the wind because it was winter critical point. 187 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,919 Speaker 2: Ultra lights are incredibly light. They get tossed around by 188 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:42,480 the wind easily. To fly ten or twelve of them 189 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,200 in a rigid, perfect formation at night, often in gusty 190 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,039 winter winds is suicidal. One gust and they'd smash right 191 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:50,919 into each other. 192 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: Plus the whole solid body thing exactly. 193 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,879 Speaker 2: If it were separate planes. You would see the stars 194 00:08:55,919 --> 00:08:59,559 between them as they moved. Witnesses saw a solid black 195 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:05,000 mass blotting out the sky. And finally the fuel and Brogno, 196 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:07,639 the investigator we'll talk about in a moment, calculated the 197 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,360 fuel capacity of these ultra lights. 198 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:10,919 Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't even think about the fuel right. 199 00:09:10,919 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: They could stay up for maybe an hour or two. 200 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,919 These sightings were happening all over the Hudson Valley, sometimes 201 00:09:14,919 --> 00:09:17,759 for hours at a stretch, covering distances that these little 202 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:21,320 planes simply couldn't manage without landing to refuel multiple times. 203 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: So the skeptical explanation is actually more unbelievable than the 204 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,799 anomalist explanation. 205 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: It requires a level of coordination, endurance, and risk taking 206 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,440 that just defies logic. And remember the witnesses. We aren't 207 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,159 just talking about terrified commuters on the highway. We are 208 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,360 talking about highly trained professionals. 209 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: Let's name names, or at least titles, who actually saw 210 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:43,080 this thing. 211 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: We have Dennis sent he was a local politician, a 212 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:48,080 very credible man in the community. He went on record. 213 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,600 We have police officers from multiple townships who reported it. 214 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:55,440 But the most alarming reports came from the Indian Point 215 00:09:55,519 --> 00:09:56,720 Nuclear power Plant. 216 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,639 Speaker 1: Whoa wait, the nuclear plant. 217 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,799 Speaker 2: Yes, this is a detail that often gets buried, but 218 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,559 is heavily documented in the sources. Security guards at the 219 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,320 Indian Point Nuclear facility reported the object hovering directly over 220 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:10,879 the reactor. 221 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: That is just not good. That is an act of 222 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:15,120 war theoretically if it's a foreign nation. 223 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 2: The guards were absolutely terrified. They had their weapons drawn. 224 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:22,039 They were radioing their superiors for permission to engage, asking 225 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,399 if they should shoot this thing down. 226 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 3: But what are you going to do with a shotgun 227 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:27,279 against to ship the size of a city block. 228 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: Nothing? You do nothing. 229 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,919 Speaker 3: And the fact that it went for the nuclear plant. 230 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,080 That fix a broader pattern, doesn't it. These objects seem 231 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,960 to just love our nuclear tech. 232 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: It's a recognized global pattern. Malmstrom Air Force Base, Rendelstrom Forests. 233 00:10:42,519 --> 00:10:45,639 Whenever there is nuclear material, these things tend to show up. 234 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,679 It's almost like they're monitoring us, or warning us. 235 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: Like kids don't play with matches. 236 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: Exactly, or maybe studying the emissions. We don't know. 237 00:10:53,799 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: So we have the massive object, we have the thousands 238 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,440 of credible witnesses, we have the failed skeptical explanations. Now 239 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:03,279 we need to talk about the man who tried to 240 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:05,559 put the whole puzzle together, Philip and Brogno. 241 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: Philip in Brogno is the unsung hero and somewhat tragic 242 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,360 figure of this entire story. He was a science teacher, 243 00:11:12,879 --> 00:11:15,639 very rational, very grounded guy. But he was also an 244 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:19,320 investigator for CUFOS, the Center for UFO Studies. 245 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 3: And dropping the CUFOS acronym gives you instant street cred 246 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:24,080 in this world. 247 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:25,879 Speaker 1: That was jail and Heineck's organization. 248 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: Jalen Heineck is basically the father of scientific eufology. He 249 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,399 was the guy the Air Force hired for Project Bluebook 250 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:35,000 to debunk everything. He's the one who literally came up 251 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:39,039 with the swamp gas explanation. But eventually Heinick flipped. He 252 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,879 realized there was real, measurable data he couldn't explain away. 253 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,879 So for Imbrono to be working under Heinick means he 254 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,039 was highly trained to be rigorous. He wasn't out there 255 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,080 looking for little green men. He was looking for weather 256 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,840 balloons and misidentified planets. 257 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 3: So Inmbrogno goes to the Hudson Valley. He thinks he's 258 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,440 going to debunk this mass hysteria. 259 00:11:57,639 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: Right. He spends months there. He interviews hundred of people personally. 260 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:04,159 He drives the roads at night. He is really doing 261 00:12:04,159 --> 00:12:07,399 the grunt work to filter through nine thousand reports. But 262 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,200 then the abyss stares back. 263 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: He sees it. 264 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: He doesn't just see it, he experiences it. It was 265 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,200 a cold night and he was driving along one of 266 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,200 those really dark county routes. He saw the lights approaching. 267 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:20,200 He pulled over. 268 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: Now this is the moment. 269 00:12:21,399 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 3: If I'm him, I'm excited because I'm finally seeing what 270 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,559 I'm investigating, but I'm also terrified. 271 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: He describes the object coming in very low and then 272 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,679 something happens that shifts this from mere observation to actual interaction. 273 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:39,159 Yeaubujik stopped and it projected a beam of light down, 274 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:44,000 a spotlight, a brilliant beam of white light. Imbrogno describes 275 00:12:44,039 --> 00:12:46,960 it as scanning the ground. It swept over the highway, 276 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,720 swept over the tree line, and then it hit him. 277 00:12:49,919 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: It hit him like it illuminated him. 278 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: Specifically, he was entirely bathed in this light. He said 279 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,080 it was blindingly bright. But here's the weird part. He 280 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,519 didn't feel any heat. Usually a light that bright would 281 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:04,879 be hot. A police search light feels warm on your skin. 282 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:07,759 This was cold. Clinical. 283 00:13:08,159 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: That feels like a violation. That's not just watching a 284 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,480 plane go by, that's being touched by it. 285 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,519 Speaker 2: It immediately raises the question of intent. Was it looking 286 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,240 for something in the woods? Was it looking for him? 287 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,879 Did it somehow know he was the lead investigator. 288 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: That's a paranoid thought, but entirely valid under the circumstances. 289 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: And it brings up the issue of bias, which we 290 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,440 see debated in the source material. Does Imbragno seeing the 291 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:33,320 craft make him a better researcher or a worse one? 292 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: That is the big question. 293 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: I'd argue it makes him infinitely more passionate, but maybe 294 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:40,559 less objective. Once you've been physically scanned by the boomerang, 295 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:42,679 you can't exactly go back to your office and write 296 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,000 it off as a flock of geese. 297 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:49,159 Speaker 2: Precisely, it personalizes the phenomenon. But because his account matches 298 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:53,879 the thousands of other eyewitness accounts so perfectly, the absolute silence, 299 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,600 the hovering capability, the cold beam, it ultimately strengthens the 300 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,320 data set. He became a calibrated instrument for the investigation. 301 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 3: So Imbrogno is deep in it now, he's collecting reports 302 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,799 he's been scanned. But then he starts to notice a 303 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,360 pattern that nobody else is talking about. Everyone is looking 304 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:12,120 up at the sky, but the locals, the people who 305 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:14,720 actually live out in the woods, they are talking about 306 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:15,840 what's happening down below. 307 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,399 Speaker 2: This is the massive pivot, the thrilling thread takes a 308 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,799 sharp turn right into the earth. Imbrogno started getting reports 309 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:26,120 from people living in the area, specifically Putnam County in Westchester, 310 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,799 who were hearing things, all kind of things, not the 311 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,759 silence of the craft. They were hearing intense mechanical sounds, grinding, 312 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,639 heavy drilling, deep hums. 313 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,559 Speaker 1: Like heavy construction work, yes. 314 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,799 Speaker 2: But at three in the morning and coming from deep underground, 315 00:14:42,039 --> 00:14:44,200 people would literally put their ears to the floorboards of 316 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,000 their houses and hear a rhythmic, heavy thrumbing vibrating through 317 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,759 the wood That is horrifying. 318 00:14:49,799 --> 00:14:51,799 Speaker 3: If I hear a noise outside, I can lock the door. 319 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,360 If the noise is coming from under the foundation of 320 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:56,559 my house, I'm packing my bags and moving. 321 00:14:56,799 --> 00:14:59,879 Speaker 2: It directly correlates with the base theory mentioned by research 322 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,320 like Campbellbasso. In our sources, the Hudson Valley is incredibly 323 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,799 interesting geologically. It has deep aquifers, lots of iron ore, 324 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,879 huge magnetic anomalies. If you were going to build a 325 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,799 massive secret facility, human or otherwise, it's a prime location. 326 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: And the locals in the eighties, they weren't all shouting 327 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,679 aliens right away, were they. 328 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:26,039 Speaker 2: No. Initially people assumed it was the government secret tunneling, 329 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:30,080 maybe extending the subway lines far upstate, or building deep 330 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,039 bunkers for the Cold War. Remember this is the height 331 00:15:32,039 --> 00:15:34,840 of the Cold War. The fear of nuclear annihilation was 332 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:39,120 very real, so a secret government bunker project seemed highly 333 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:40,159 logical to these people. 334 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,799 Speaker 3: But the government doesn't fly silent football field size boomerangs 335 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,759 to guard their construction sites. 336 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,919 Speaker 2: Exactly. The two phenomena were inexorably linked. The knights the 337 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:53,440 boomerang was seen in the sky were often the exact 338 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,639 same nights. The subterranean sounds were the loudest. Henry, one 339 00:15:56,639 --> 00:15:59,960 of the speakers in our source material, suggest that these hotspots, 340 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,799 it's our hotspots specifically because of what is underground. 341 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: So the theory evolves, it's not just a flyover, it's 342 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:07,759 a commute. 343 00:16:07,799 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: They are going to work or they're coming home, coming 344 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,799 home to the Hudson Valley. 345 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,879 Speaker 2: Think about the strategic logic of it. If you are 346 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:19,080 in advanced intelligence and you want to observe humanity long term, 347 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,679 where do you hide your infrastructure? 348 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,039 Speaker 1: The dark side of the moon. 349 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,399 Speaker 2: Too far, you have a constant travel time issue. The 350 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,320 bottom of the emptine very good, and we certainly see 351 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:33,559 a lot of USO's unidentified submersible objects. But the underground, 352 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,759 the lithosphere itself offers incredible stability. It offers immense protection 353 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,919 from cosmic radiation or human detection, It offers infinite geothermal energy, 354 00:16:43,399 --> 00:16:45,840 and it offers perfect camouflage. 355 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: Because we don't look down. 356 00:16:46,679 --> 00:16:49,879 Speaker 2: We have mapped the surface of Mars better than we 357 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:52,919 have mapped the deep cave systems beneath our own feet, so. 358 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,159 Speaker 3: We are just walking over them. We are building our 359 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,600 malls and our houses and our highways on top of 360 00:16:57,639 --> 00:16:58,080 their roof. 361 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: That is the unsettling implication. We think we own the building, 362 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:03,840 but we might just be renting the penthouse while someone 363 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:04,759 else owns the basement. 364 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: This brings us to what I consider the darkest part 365 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:09,680 of this entire story, because if there is a basement 366 00:17:09,759 --> 00:17:11,599 and there are things living in it, sometimes. 367 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:12,079 Speaker 1: They come upstairs. 368 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:13,279 Speaker 2: Whitley Streeber, just. 369 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: Saying the name gives me shivers. 370 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,519 Speaker 3: Hmmmmm for you listening who might not know. Whitley Streeber 371 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:22,279 was a highly successful horror novelist. He wrote The Wolfen 372 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,759 and The Hunger. He literally knew how to scare people 373 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:28,359 for a living. But in nineteen eighty five he stopped 374 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,720 writing fiction because something happened to him that was infinitely 375 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:33,839 scarier than anything he could invent. 376 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 2: Streeber had a cabin in upstate New York. It was 377 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,079 located in the extreme western edge of this exact Hudson 378 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,519 Valley Flap region. It is incredibly isolated deep Wood's Darkness, Complete. 379 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,839 Speaker 3: Silence, December twenty sixth, nineteen eighty five. He's alone in 380 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:51,440 the cabin with his family. He sets the alarm system 381 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:51,880 for the night. 382 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: He goes to bed, and then the alarm system does 383 00:17:54,039 --> 00:17:57,720 something impossible. It doesn't go off. It is completely bypassed. 384 00:17:58,039 --> 00:18:01,000 Streeber wakes up, but he realizes he is not in 385 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:04,400 his bed. He is in a state of complete physical paralysis. 386 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 3: This sounds like the classic abduction scenario, but the details 387 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:11,440 in Streeber's account, which later became the massive bestseller Communion, 388 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:15,880 are so specific and visceral. He talks about the sensory details, 389 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:16,920 the smell. 390 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 2: Sulfur ozone, a very dry, sharp electric smell, and the 391 00:18:20,759 --> 00:18:24,200 entities themselves. He didn't just see the standard pop culture grays. 392 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,279 He described a complex hierarchy, right. 393 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,519 Speaker 3: He described the small kind of worker bee types. But 394 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:33,400 then there were the doctors, the tall ones, and the blue. 395 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,079 Speaker 2: Ones, dark blue, short figures, almost goblin like. This is 396 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:40,920 where the extraterrestrial hypothesis really starts to bleed into ancient folklore. 397 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,319 These descriptions sound exactly like goblins or cooebolds or demons 398 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:46,319 from medieval. 399 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: Texts, but the part that haunts me and I know 400 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:50,920 it haunts YouTube based on our notes is the dialogue. 401 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: Streeber is absolutely terrified. 402 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:56,319 Speaker 3: He is paralyzed, He feels physical pain, and one of 403 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:57,680 the entities leans. 404 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: In and says, what can we do to help you 405 00:18:59,000 --> 00:18:59,759 stop screaming? 406 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 3: Can we do to help you stop screaming? Not stop screaming, 407 00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:05,839 not we are going to hurt you, but this weird, twisted, 408 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,160 almost clinical customer service question. 409 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:13,039 Speaker 2: It's deeply chilling because of the massive disconnected shows. Straeber 410 00:19:13,079 --> 00:19:16,160 realizes in that exact moment that he actually is screaming, 411 00:19:16,599 --> 00:19:19,039 but his mind was so fractured he didn't even know it. 412 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,240 The entity seems genuinely confused by his fear response. Right, 413 00:19:23,519 --> 00:19:27,400 It implies they don't understand human emotion, or they view 414 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:30,240 us exactly like we view a wild animal. At the vet. 415 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:34,039 The dog is terrified, it's whimpering, and the vet is 416 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,119 just thinking, I'm trying to fix your leg. Why are 417 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:37,079 you making all this noise? 418 00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: It totally strips away our humanity. To them, we are 419 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,039 just biological material on a table. 420 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: But here is the critical connection back to the Hudson 421 00:19:45,319 --> 00:19:48,440 Valley thread. Streeber was very clear about the vector of 422 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,200 the abduction. He wasn't floated up through the roof into 423 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,279 a shiny ship in the sky. 424 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: Where did they come from? 425 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,799 Speaker 2: He described the overwhelming sensation of being taken down, and 426 00:19:56,839 --> 00:19:58,599 he described the entities coming up from. 427 00:19:58,519 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 3: The floor, up from the floorboard, literally like a monster 428 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:02,000 under the bed. 429 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: And the sounds. Streeber and his wife, on multiple separate occasions, 430 00:20:06,599 --> 00:20:10,279 reported hearing loud, rhythmic banging and drilling sounds under the 431 00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:11,119 cabin itself. 432 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 3: We could hear this taking place under the cabin. That's 433 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,400 the direct quote from the material. 434 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: So you start to triangulate the data points. 435 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 3: Here. 436 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: You have the mass sightings of the massive ships, you 437 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,000 have the locals hearing heavy drilling, you have Imbragno suspecting 438 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:28,680 a base, and you have an abduct d describing entities 439 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,240 coming from below accompanied by subtraining machinery sounds. The arrow 440 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:35,440 points firmly in one direction down. 441 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,559 Speaker 1: It fundamentally changes the genre of the phenomenon. This isn't 442 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:39,480 star Wars anymore. 443 00:20:39,519 --> 00:20:42,319 Speaker 2: This is the descent it is, and it forces us 444 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,400 to ask a very uncomfortable question. Is the Hudson Valley 445 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,000 Boomerang actually a spaceship or is it an elevator. 446 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:52,039 Speaker 3: An elevator, that's a really heavy concept of transport vehicle 447 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,920 moving from the deep earth to the surface. 448 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: And if that is the case, the Hudson Valley isn't unique. 449 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,920 It's just one door in a very long hallway full. 450 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 3: Of doors wide in the aperture here because the sources 451 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:03,640 make it clear that this is. 452 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:04,839 Speaker 1: A global phenomenon. 453 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,319 Speaker 3: Where else are we seeing this specific UFO to underground connection. 454 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,599 Speaker 2: David Hatchrid Childress has done extensive work on this exact correlation. 455 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:17,480 He compares the Hudson Valley activity to places like Lake 456 00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:19,759 teita Kaka in Peru and Bolivia. 457 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: Oh Titacaka is incredibly famous for this kind of activity. 458 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 2: It's the highest navigable lake in the world, and for centuries, 459 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:30,799 long before the Wright Brothers, long before airplanes, the locals 460 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:34,400 have consistently reported glowing lights diving straight into the lake. 461 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:38,519 They fundamentally believe there's an ancient city underwater. The Temple 462 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:40,400 of the Sun is said to be hidden down. 463 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 3: There, and technologically speaking, a massive deep lake is a 464 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,039 great place to hide a base. Water blocks radiation, it 465 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,319 muffles sound, it keeps humans away. 466 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 2: Then you have Mount Shasta in northern California. 467 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,039 Speaker 3: The hippie capital of the world, but also a huge, 468 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:57,119 undeniable UFO hotspot. 469 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,519 Speaker 2: The legends of Mount Shasta are fascinating because they don't 470 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:02,960 usually talk about aliens coming from the sky, talk about 471 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,559 the Lemerians, a lost, highly advanced civilization that retreated inside 472 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,960 the mountain thousands of years ago. People report seeing strange 473 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,680 lights coming out of the mountain peaks, or finding bizarre 474 00:22:13,839 --> 00:22:17,079 tunnel entrances in the woods that literally disappear when you 475 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,640 go back to look for them the next day. 476 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: In Mexico, the volcanoes. 477 00:22:20,519 --> 00:22:23,759 Speaker 2: Pope Cutta Pedal. It's a highly active volcano right near 478 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:27,559 Mexico City. There are permanent webcams monitoring it for eruptions 479 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:30,279 twenty four to seven, and time and time again, these 480 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:34,680 cameras catch massive cylindrical objects flying directly into the. 481 00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: Crater, into the crater while it's smoking. 482 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: While it is fully active. Now, you fly a standard 483 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,119 plane into an active volcano, you die instantly the intense heat, 484 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,839 the ash clogging the engines, the severe thermal turbulence. But 485 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,039 these objects dive in at mock speeds without hesitation. 486 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 3: Which suggests the volcano isn't just a volcano to them, 487 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,920 it's e vent It's a doorway exactly. 488 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 2: The hollow Earth theory or the cavern World's theory, proposes 489 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,720 that the Earth's crust is honeycombed with vast naturally occurring 490 00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:08,240 or artificially expanded habitable spaces, and that the craft we 491 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,839 see are just the local traffic moving between their world 492 00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:12,400 and hours. 493 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 3: It makes the silence of the Hudson Valley craft makes 494 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,279 so much more sense, doesn't it. If they are our neighbors, 495 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:19,000 they don't want to wake us up. They're just sneaking 496 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,799 out for a midnight drive or a. 497 00:23:20,759 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 2: Very calculated reconnaissance mission. 498 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 499 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: The crypto terrestrial theory, the idea that they are from here, 500 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,960 not from out there, solves a lot of lingering logistical problems. 501 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:33,480 It explains why they look somewhat humanoid due to convergent evolution. 502 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:37,079 It explains why they can breathe our atmosphere. It explains 503 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:39,960 why they care so deeply about our nuclear weapons, because 504 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,039 if we blow up the surface of the planet, we 505 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,119 destroy their ceiling. 506 00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: We are the noisy upstairs neighbors who keep having crazy 507 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,000 parties and constantly threatening to burn the whole apartment building 508 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:52,160 down and they are the quiet, scary guys in the basement, 509 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,160 occasionally coming up to tell us to knock. 510 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: It off precisely, and in the Hudson Valley from nineteen 511 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,400 eighty two to nineteen eighty six, they decide to stop 512 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,720 knocking on the pipes and just show us the gun. 513 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,440 The boomerang was a massive show of force. 514 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 3: We are here, we are big, we are completely silent, 515 00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:11,759 and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. 516 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,319 Speaker 2: It was a demonstration of total technological superiority. And then 517 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,359 they just went back down. 518 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 3: It's incredibly frustrating, isn't it. The mass sighting has just stopped. 519 00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:22,599 I mean, people still see an almost thing, sure, but 520 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,039 the siege itself ended. 521 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,599 Speaker 2: They made their point, or they finished their project, whatever 522 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,640 they were drilling for, whatever massive infrastructure they were building 523 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,519 down there. Maybe it's finally done. 524 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,279 Speaker 1: Or maybe they just got a lot better at hiding. 525 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,599 Speaker 2: That is the far more likely and frankly more disturbing possibility. 526 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: This has been a lot to process. We started with 527 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,599 a freezing New Year's Eve party and ended up literally 528 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,359 questioning the structural solidity of the planet. 529 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: That is what we do on thrilling threads. We pull 530 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,440 the thread until the entire fabric unravels. 531 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:54,599 Speaker 3: So let's try to wrap this up. If you are 532 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,599 listening to this right now and you are sitting in 533 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,279 your house, maybe turned down the volume for just a second. 534 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:00,720 Wasn't the room around you? 535 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 2: Listen to the hum of the refrigerator, the wind blowing outside, 536 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,119 but try to listen deeper. 537 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,279 Speaker 1: Do you hear a low hum? Do you feel a 538 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,920 vibration in the floorboards? 539 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 2: Is it really just the plumbing or is it something else? 540 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: We want to leave you with this final thought to ponder. 541 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 3: We as a species are spending billions of dollars looking 542 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,599 for microbial life on Mars. We are building massive things 543 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,799 like the James Webb Telescope to look at the very 544 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:30,839 beginning of time. We are completely obsessed with looking up. 545 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: But we have barely even scratched the surface of what 546 00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:38,240 is down. The absolute deepest whole humanity has ever managed 547 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,599 to drill, the Kola Super Deep borehole is only about 548 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:44,079 seven and a half miles deep. The earth is roughly 549 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,079 four thousand miles to the center. We have barely scratched 550 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:49,880 the thin skin of an apple and just arrogantly assumed 551 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,279 we know exactly what the core looks like, what. 552 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 3: If the reason we haven't found aliens in deep space 553 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,599 is because they aren't in space at all. What if 554 00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:00,920 they've been right here the entire time, operating beneath the 555 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:04,480 Conic Parkway, beneath Mount Shasta, beneath your own basement. 556 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 2: It's a profoundly humbling thought. We might not actually be 557 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,440 the landlords of this planet. We might just be the 558 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,920 temporary tenants. 559 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 3: And the landlord is doing some major renovations late at night. 560 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,160 So to you listening, we want to hear from you 561 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,599 directly and be totally honest. 562 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:24,599 Speaker 1: Does the underground based theory make the whole phenomenon. 563 00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 3: More believable to you? Does it neatly solve the physics 564 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,799 problems we talked about? Or does it just sound like 565 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,480 pure science fiction? Too much of a leap? 566 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:34,079 Speaker 2: And I'm very serious about this next part. Have you 567 00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:38,880 ever heard the sounds, the hum that mechanical grinding coming 568 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,279 from nowhere? If you live in the Hudson Valley or 569 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:43,880 near a deep body of water or a mountain, tell 570 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,640 us leave. 571 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: A comment below, share your story with us. 572 00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: We really do read every single one, and frankly, we're 573 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,440 trying to build a map of this stuff. 574 00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:52,599 Speaker 2: We are connecting the dots as best we can. 575 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on this thrilling thread. It's been 576 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,720 an absolutely wild one. 577 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,759 Speaker 2: Keep your eyes on the sky and. 578 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: Maybe keep an ear to the ground. See you next time.