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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2: Good morning. My problem is my family and the Bible.
Speaker 1: Okay and not a good start.
Speaker 3: Weird, but hello, yeah I'm here.
Speaker 2: Okay, this may sound weird, but our whole family was
Speaker 2: raised in Catholicism back in the days, and then life happened,
Speaker 2: and I don't read the Bible. I try to run
Speaker 2: my life with what I believe in my heart and
Speaker 2: according I believe that.
Speaker 3: I'm taking in the principles.
Speaker 2: But most of my family are what people call the thumpers.
Speaker 2: They pay everything literally, and I can't talk to anymore
Speaker 2: because they just push it in my face instead of
Speaker 2: like practicing what I think they're reading. But I don't
Speaker 2: believe they practice it, and so I can't communicate, and
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm wrong or they're right, or and
Speaker 2: I'm confused.
Speaker 3: I'm confused.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not necessarily either, or it could be both,
Speaker 1: and you can learn something and so can they. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: you agree? Sure, it doesn't have to be you're wrong
Speaker 1: or or they are wrong. It's not about that necessarily.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe there's some learning that can be done on
Speaker 1: both sides, because you know it, people often just get
Speaker 1: to into that mindset that they're wrong or you're wrong.
Speaker 1: And I would say that you have every right to
Speaker 1: be left alone and to not have them cram it
Speaker 1: down your throat, because you know what happens when people
Speaker 1: cram things down your.
Speaker 2: Throat, Well you don't listen.
Speaker 1: Well, you're throw them back up, probably right, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's not fair, and it's it's there's nothing in
Speaker 1: scripture that says, you know, take this book and see
Speaker 1: if you can feed it to somebody in thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: It's it's not fair. But also they're not here to
Speaker 1: defend themselves. So we'll just look at you if we could, candy,
Speaker 1: and just look at ways that you can deal with this.
Speaker 1: I prefer the direct, honest route.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: If somebody's doing that, just say, hey, listen, I know
Speaker 1: that you think you're trying to do something good for me,
Speaker 1: but really it's off putting. It just bothers me. It
Speaker 1: seems it seems hoity and above, and you make me
Speaker 1: feel bad about myself and I don't think that that's
Speaker 1: that's productive. And you make me question things, but not
Speaker 1: in a good way. You might make me question wanting
Speaker 1: to talk to you or be around you, and really
Speaker 1: if you want to have an open discussion to talk
Speaker 1: about things. There might be times where it's appropriate and
Speaker 1: where I would welcome it, but not every day. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I just miss you guys, or want to see you
Speaker 1: or want to talk with you or want to hang out.
Speaker 1: And about starting at the beginning, and how people don't
Speaker 1: do that when they share their faith. They just want
Speaker 1: to kind of cram it down your throat rather than
Speaker 1: just saying, hey, listen, this is some experiences I've had,
Speaker 1: or this is why I have gone down the path
Speaker 1: that I have, or why I'm no longer a practicing
Speaker 1: cast like or whatever. Their change may be. Like the
Speaker 1: way you put it, that life does happen and people change,
Speaker 1: but it's not fair. You have every right to say
Speaker 1: this is not what I'm interested in or what I
Speaker 1: want to hear about. Having said that, I will because
Speaker 1: you brought it up. I will say that I'm always
Speaker 1: concerned about people who because both sides are a little extreme.
Speaker 1: You've got somebody who seems like they're not living it,
Speaker 1: but they're just cramming it down other people's throats, as
Speaker 1: you put it, and say that they're not really living it,
Speaker 1: they're just talking about it. And then on the other hand,
Speaker 1: you have somebody like yourself, you described that you, well,
Speaker 1: I believe that I'm kind of living these tenants or
Speaker 1: these beliefs, and that concerns me as well. I recently
Speaker 1: had a conversation d with someone who was saying, well,
Speaker 1: I'm a good person, and isn't that all that matters
Speaker 1: is if you're a good person and you live this way,
Speaker 1: And I said, no, it really isn't. That's a part
Speaker 1: of it, but it's not the whole thing. And they
Speaker 1: were having a hard time understanding that. And I explained
Speaker 1: to them that, for instance, in a marriage all good
Speaker 1: in all good marriages, there's not infidelity, right, So if
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a if there, if you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a good marriage, it can't be sleeping around as well, Right,
Speaker 1: that's not going to produce a good marriage. However, just
Speaker 1: because you're not sleeping around doesn't mean you have a
Speaker 1: good marriage, right, that's true. Okay, So okay, So my
Speaker 1: point here is that just because you're living a good
Speaker 1: life doesn't mean that you're right with God or that
Speaker 1: you're under you know, you're understanding or taking in the
Speaker 1: truths of God or what God will have you do.
Speaker 1: Just because you're not sinning. Uh, it takes more to
Speaker 1: So the absence of doing bad doesn't mean that you're good.
Speaker 1: It just means you're not doing those things. For first Secondly,
Speaker 1: there's other parts of that good that are more important,
Speaker 1: and those are the reasons for the laws or the
Speaker 1: reasons for what you're doing that is called good. So
Speaker 1: in the process of a law, there's the law. And
Speaker 1: I always use this example because people remember it simply
Speaker 1: is the speed limit. Okay, it's fifty five sixty five
Speaker 1: miles per hour on the highways, So that's the law,
Speaker 1: and you could say I'm driving fifty five sixty five.
Speaker 1: But the spirit of the law is what's important, and
Speaker 1: that is that driving in a safe manner keeps people
Speaker 1: from dying or getting hurt. So people's people not getting
Speaker 1: hurt is more important than the law, because that's what
Speaker 1: the law is all about. So it's not why you're
Speaker 1: good or that you're being good, it's why you're good.
Speaker 1: It's important. So if you're good just because well culture
Speaker 1: says to do it this way, that's not really necessarily
Speaker 1: good because some cultures can be wrong. If it's because
Speaker 1: God says to do it this way, and God is
Speaker 1: the creator or the author of all creation, well then
Speaker 1: you need to know more about God to understand the
Speaker 1: purpose of what you're doing and why it's good. So
Speaker 1: that's why I say it's not just about being good,
Speaker 1: because like the marriage analogy, you can have a bad
Speaker 1: marriage and not be sleeping around with other people. However,
Speaker 1: you can't have a good marriage and be sleeping around
Speaker 1: with people the old you know, uh, what they call
Speaker 1: an informal logical fallacy. All police carry guns, but not
Speaker 1: everybody that carries a gun is a police. So in
Speaker 1: this particular sense, yes, all people who are living a
Speaker 1: life for God should be doing good things, but not
Speaker 1: everybody who is doing good things is living a life
Speaker 1: for God. So that that's what I want you to
Speaker 1: think about, d because you called, and so I want
Speaker 1: to I want to impart you with something because you're
Speaker 1: the one brave enough to call and they're not here
Speaker 1: to defend themselves. However, do I condone condone people Bible
Speaker 1: thumping and cramming their faith down in your throat? Absolutely
Speaker 1: positively not. And if you told me you were an happy,
Speaker 1: happy atheist and you didn't want that. I think you
Speaker 1: absolutely should have the right to be such.
Speaker 2: Well, what should I do then? Do you feel that
Speaker 2: I should be bridging the gap to reconnect with them,
Speaker 2: because that's what I should be doing, even though when
Speaker 2: they talk to me I feel that it's evil coming
Speaker 2: at me.
Speaker 1: Well, if you genuinely miss them, I think you can
Speaker 1: call them and say, you know what, I genuinely miss you.
Speaker 1: I miss I miss this. I miss when you tell jokes.
Speaker 1: I miss when we would bake together. I miss when
Speaker 1: we would talk about books that we read that weren't
Speaker 1: the Bible. I missed that when we talked about movies
Speaker 1: we watch. I miss the person I grew up with.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted you to know the reason why
Speaker 1: I'm missing that, the reason why I've sacrificed that in
Speaker 1: my life, because every time we get together it's about X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z, and I can't build a relationship with that.
Speaker 1: That's not a relationship builder. Do you think that I
Speaker 1: sat around the fire with the twelve and only talked
Speaker 1: about the Bible all the time. No, that's just not
Speaker 1: the way things work. And in this particular case, the
Speaker 1: best thing to do is to be very honest with
Speaker 1: them and say, I know this may come across as hurtful,
Speaker 1: and it's not that I'm not curious, and it's not
Speaker 1: that I don't want to grow, but the way you're
Speaker 1: doing it to me, it offends me and it makes
Speaker 1: me not want to see you. And if you tell
Speaker 1: me that that's the way it's going to be, then
Speaker 1: I respect that and I'll go on my merry way.
Speaker 1: But I do miss you and I do miss us
Speaker 1: having normal interaction and you know those things, and just
Speaker 1: explain that to them and if if they listen, they listen,
Speaker 1: and hopefully, you know, God will plant that seed in
Speaker 1: their heart will grow, and if they choose to reject it,
Speaker 1: then you move on.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for calling D very brave of you
Speaker 1: and I and I always like when when someone calls
Speaker 1: who's uh, you know, maybe being mistreated by Christians or
Speaker 1: the church. It doesn't The fact that you find this
Speaker 1: to be a safe enough place uh to bring your
Speaker 1: concerns really pleases me. And it doesn't mean that I'm
Speaker 1: always going to agree with you. Doesn't mean that in
Speaker 1: your eyes, I will will always treat you nicely. Some
Speaker 1: people don't see tough love or a firm response as nice,
Speaker 1: and I don't understand that. But the fact that you
Speaker 1: called d pleases me, and that you're very brave and
Speaker 1: stand your ground and truth will out on both sides. Frank,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Christio.
Speaker 3: Hi Jesus, Frank, thank you for your show and I appreciating,
Speaker 3: enjoy especially all your analogies.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what they're like.
Speaker 1: Yes, analogies are like I got another one for you, Frank,
Speaker 1: what if there were no hypothetical questions everyway?
Speaker 3: My question is something I have kind of a problem with.
Speaker 3: I'm a believer in you, and I believe you are
Speaker 3: who you've said you are. And I have a hard
Speaker 3: time thinking that people of other religions, maybe especially the
Speaker 3: Abrahamic religions, are not in fact praying to the same God,
Speaker 3: the Father God, that I pray to. And I wondered
Speaker 3: if does God not here since the sincere prayer and
Speaker 3: intention of people of other religions, And I have a
Speaker 3: hard time believing these people are not saved and go
Speaker 3: to heaven.
Speaker 1: As many people sort of taught kind of an ugly thought.
Speaker 1: It seems awkward to think that God, that God would
Speaker 1: work in that way, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, just that's I mean, I have
Speaker 3: to live with my head in my rationaley things no
Speaker 3: matter what I hear or what I you know, it's
Speaker 3: hard to believe that. I mean, there's so many good,
Speaker 3: good people, wonderful people, maybe people better than someone, some
Speaker 3: people who are received or say they received Jesus Christ
Speaker 3: as their savior. Okay, this is difficult for me to
Speaker 3: to rationalize, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's ask ourselves those questions and think about
Speaker 1: the possible responses. And there's the sincerity, the human touch
Speaker 1: on things and getting wrapped up in the humanity of
Speaker 1: something is good. I mean, you're human. That's the purpose
Speaker 1: of it. Is to think humanly about the way you
Speaker 1: interact with the world and the way the world interacts
Speaker 1: with you and to you. It's legitimate and fair to
Speaker 1: have differing opinions and thoughts out there. However, if you're
Speaker 1: a math teacher, you wouldn't allow that same premise. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't say, well, whatever you think two plus two equals
Speaker 1: is fine. If you were a chemist, you wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: A scientist, you wouldn't do that a baker, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: do that. Well, one cup, one tablespoon. You know they
Speaker 1: both have flower in it. No, the recipe comes out
Speaker 1: completely different, as does the equation, as does the chemical compound,
Speaker 1: as does all of these things. That's just the way
Speaker 1: life works. In truth, the emotional aspect of it is
Speaker 1: when you think, really, what comes down to it is
Speaker 1: if you think that way, it's you're not putting enough
Speaker 1: importance on the absolute nature of God. You're making God
Speaker 1: kind of chameleon like. Well, God can look the other
Speaker 1: way on this. Well, that's not up to Frank, that's
Speaker 1: up to God. Right, So hold on tight. We got
Speaker 1: to take a quick break, but I want you to
Speaker 1: hang on, Frank, because I want to explain some more
Speaker 1: things in just a moment as to why that's different
Speaker 1: and why differing views may have problems, and where that lands,
Speaker 1: and why that's not just an ugly part of God
Speaker 1: we've been talking with Frank. Frank, your question essentially is,
Speaker 1: you know, does God respect all religions? And I know
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Abrahammick belief systems, but ultimately it's very
Speaker 1: human to go, you know, what God should be fair
Speaker 1: and kind of give somebody a pass here, give somebody
Speaker 1: a pass there. But if you read through scripture, the
Speaker 1: whole problem lie lays in the fact that everybody wanted
Speaker 1: to pass all the time, and the people of Israel
Speaker 1: wanted to pass, and there was always well, can't we
Speaker 1: just do this? Can't we just do that? There has
Speaker 1: to be a right way. There has to be otherwise
Speaker 1: you can't. If there's no right way, then you can't
Speaker 1: do anything wrong. And if you can't do anything wrong
Speaker 1: that there's no morality. There's no otness, there's no ethos,
Speaker 1: there's no moraise, there's no there's none of that because
Speaker 1: there's no implied should do or implied should not do? Right.
Speaker 1: You kind of need that in life.
Speaker 3: No, I think I do. But I think there are
Speaker 3: people and other religions who are extremely moral and have
Speaker 3: you know, very even strict moral codes, and are very
Speaker 3: good people, and they're not contrary to even the ways
Speaker 3: I act like a good Christian.
Speaker 1: Okay, should be, Let's take it off of good person
Speaker 1: because person is so ambiguous. It's really well, that means
Speaker 1: you don't murder. Let's take it off that and say
Speaker 1: a good soldier, Now if you said somebody was being
Speaker 1: a good soldier. That would imply specific understandings, and no
Speaker 1: longer you get out of the ambiguity of oh, well,
Speaker 1: they're a good person, because nobody wants to judge what
Speaker 1: a good person is. That's where the problem lies. That's
Speaker 1: where your humanity comes in. Frank you don't want to
Speaker 1: judge another person for being human. But God can. And
Speaker 1: so if I say soldier, if I put one modifier,
Speaker 1: or a good cook or a good chef and all
Speaker 1: those those those things could be subjective. If you say
Speaker 1: good baker, not really subjective because bakery is more science
Speaker 1: based in the fact that it's it's very measurement focused,
Speaker 1: in chemistry focused. But if you go through these things
Speaker 1: and you say, oh, they're good this or get it.
Speaker 1: Once you add a modifier, you feel it's okay to
Speaker 1: define whether they're good at it or not. They're a
Speaker 1: good mechanic, they're a good driver. But when you say
Speaker 1: good person is where you get, Oh, I don't feel
Speaker 1: I don't feel okay about defining that. But God can.
Speaker 1: God can say it's you're not a good person because
Speaker 1: you don't murder someone. There's more to it than that.
Speaker 1: God is the author of those rules to begin with,
Speaker 1: so God can say when they're applied properly or not.
Speaker 1: Now you get into the different faiths. Yes, it seems
Speaker 1: very awkward and rude as a human being to go
Speaker 1: they're wrong. But you brought up the word sincere a
Speaker 1: couple of times, and and you can be sincere and
Speaker 1: be sincerely wrong. And so that applies to many things,
Speaker 1: including religion. And it's not about it's not about the belief.
Speaker 1: It's about what you reject. And if you're rejecting God
Speaker 1: on God's rules, God's wants, God's demands, then you're wrong.
Speaker 1: So it's not about while Christians are better than Muslims,
Speaker 1: or Muslims are better than Jews, it's not about that.
Speaker 1: That's a human desire to want to say my club's
Speaker 1: better than yours. You separate the club factor. It's not
Speaker 1: about that. It's God saying this is how you get
Speaker 1: in my house. Now, if that's like me saying that
Speaker 1: it's weird that when you go to your house, Frank,
Speaker 1: that people have to take their shoes off, that's like saying, well,
Speaker 1: that's wrong, why would no, it's Frank's house. If you
Speaker 1: want your visitors take their shoes off. That's right in
Speaker 1: your house. Correct, correct, Because whether it's you know, some
Speaker 1: silly reason, maybe you've got white carpet. I've never understood
Speaker 1: white people get white carpet and then nobody's allowed to
Speaker 1: walk on it. But let's say you have white carpet, Frank,
Speaker 1: and you don't want anybody walking with their soiled feet
Speaker 1: on it. You say, you take your shoes off. That's
Speaker 1: your rule. Now you may not feel comfortable telling everybody
Speaker 1: that that's wrong, but when it comes to your house
Speaker 1: and who gets in your house, that's okay. And I'm saying,
Speaker 1: when it comes to my house, which is Heaven, there's
Speaker 1: one way in. That's the understand who I am. That's important.
Speaker 1: Now you people say, oh, so you could be a
Speaker 1: murder and do whatever, and all you got to understand
Speaker 1: is Jesus is God. No, because if you understand that
Speaker 1: Jesus is God, you're not going to be out murdering.
Speaker 3: So people of other religions who have indeed heard your
Speaker 3: name and know about you and reject it and reject
Speaker 3: it are in fact not safe. And that's the story
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 1: Well, let me put it to you this way. If
Speaker 1: if there's a grocery store at the end of main street.
Speaker 1: And you tell them there's a grocery store at the
Speaker 1: end of main street and they reject that. Will they
Speaker 1: ever get to the grocery store at the end of
Speaker 1: main street? Why is that difficult? That is not about
Speaker 1: It's that people keep wanting to put the names in
Speaker 1: the faces of these religions so that it pulls on
Speaker 1: your heartstrings. You go, these are people. Of course, there
Speaker 1: are many cults out there, and I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: the mainstream religion. I'm talking about many factions and cults
Speaker 1: filled with good people, but they're horrible, horrible belief systems
Speaker 1: that are damaging to those individuals. And that's like, do
Speaker 1: you want a sincere doctor or do you want an
Speaker 1: educated and a doctor who's efficient. I mean, well, I
Speaker 1: really really thought I could do brain surgery. I really
Speaker 1: believed it. I really believed it. That's not what you want.
Speaker 1: And so it's not just about those things. And I
Speaker 1: know it sounds nasty because now because people think, well,
Speaker 1: now it's Frank saying that his religion's right. No truth
Speaker 1: is truth is truth. When you say two plus two
Speaker 1: equals four, that's not Oh, Frank, says his math is right. No,
Speaker 1: that's two plus two equals four.
Speaker 3: Okay, So here we have I believe, accept and believe
Speaker 3: everything you're saying. And from the get go I believe
Speaker 3: in you. Now, for me personally, I don't seem to
Speaker 3: have any particular you know, impetus to go out and evangelize.
Speaker 3: I feel that if people have heard your name and
Speaker 3: God knows you're you're you're everywhere and the news and
Speaker 3: the churches and schools and everywhere. I don't I don't
Speaker 3: feel the need to go out and everybody I need
Speaker 3: say listen, you know I'm a Christian and this is
Speaker 3: this is it and you should be and you know
Speaker 3: so I don't know how to how to deal with that.
Speaker 1: You know, well, Frank, let me tell you something. You
Speaker 1: drive up in a beautiful car. What's the first thing?
Speaker 1: And another guy says, hey, wow, that's beautiful. Where'd you
Speaker 1: get it? How fast is it? Wants to know about
Speaker 1: it immediately. If you lose weight, you come into work
Speaker 1: losing thirty pounds, what's first thing? Someone says, Oh, my goodness,
Speaker 1: how'd you do it? Someone who people life, they exactly
Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean that you shouldn't share it. It
Speaker 1: means that sometimes I hound Christians for being so darn
Speaker 1: lazy because they prefer to talk about it rather than
Speaker 1: do it in a way that inspires other people to
Speaker 1: ask questions. One Peter three fifteen says, to sanctify Jesus's
Speaker 1: Lord in your heart, be ready to give a defense,
Speaker 1: to give an answer to those who ask about the
Speaker 1: hope that lies within you, with meekness and reverence. Now,
Speaker 1: now that is such a beautiful synopsis of the whole thing. First,
Speaker 1: it's about God. God's got to be first in your
Speaker 1: life individually. Second, live in a way that people want
Speaker 1: to ask you about who you are and why you
Speaker 1: are the way you are, and be ready to give
Speaker 1: them a legitimate answer when they ask, and always do
Speaker 1: it in meekness and reverence. So being kind and respectful.
Speaker 1: And when Christians we heard calls earlier would get people
Speaker 1: that are being mean spirited or saying, well, this is
Speaker 1: the truth. So I got to pound it. Could you
Speaker 1: imagine if a teacher did that, the kid would reject it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's a matter of finding a balanced way, Frank,
Speaker 1: to express these things. But I guarantee people desire to
Speaker 1: know truth. They do. Everyone does. And if they see
Speaker 1: you reacting to something truly, because remember it's not what
Speaker 1: people say, it's not how they act, it's how they
Speaker 1: react to something that really shows you the character of
Speaker 1: who they are. And because they're taking off guard and
Speaker 1: its spur the moment and they're reacting. And so when
Speaker 1: they see you react painful things or through things in
Speaker 1: your life or whatever you're going through, and you react
Speaker 1: a certain way, they want to know, how can you
Speaker 1: how can you deal with that that way? Or such
Speaker 1: a great loss or pain? They will ask. You are
Speaker 1: a walking marketing machine for your faith if you live
Speaker 1: it properly. If you don't, then you got to talk
Speaker 1: about it like those like an infomercial. But wait, there's more,
Speaker 1: and it's licenses and dices and and everything else. And
Speaker 1: they keep adding more information because they can't live live
Speaker 1: up to it, and that demonstrative kind of execution of
Speaker 1: your life they can't do. So they talk about it
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes until somebody goes and buys it on
Speaker 1: the on the at the phone.
Speaker 3: Number, and you know what, just what you're talking about now,
Speaker 3: I've been picturing some friends of mine who I admire
Speaker 3: very much for Christians, you know, And that's exactly the picture.
Speaker 3: They're just great people, the wonderful people. They don't come
Speaker 3: on strong about it, you know, and their their lives
Speaker 3: are wonderful and I admire them. And there that's it.
Speaker 3: They're the advertisements for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, nobody had to market uh my my birth.
Speaker 1: There was no marketing. There was no Twitter. Nobody was
Speaker 1: blogging about me when I was born, and people still
Speaker 1: came from far away just to see the birth. There
Speaker 1: was no there was no Yeah, yes, not not in
Speaker 1: this form, absolutely so, so there's not. Everybody assumes everything
Speaker 1: needs to be packaged and put a spin on it,
Speaker 1: but really, you don't need to market food and water.
Speaker 1: You don't. People need to eat, they need to drink.
Speaker 1: They will, they will seek it out. Animals seek out water.
Speaker 1: They know, they move their entire herd to follow where
Speaker 1: the water goes. They will go. They will follow. Truth.
Speaker 1: It's when you start to package it too much or
Speaker 1: put a spin on it that you make people think, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, what's the hook, what's the catch? And then
Speaker 1: it becomes a problem. Frank, what a wonderful, wonderful call,
Speaker 1: and what an amazing and gentle spirit you have and
Speaker 1: I'm happy to have talked with you. Joanna. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4: Good morning, I'm sorry, good hello Jesus. I have a question.
Speaker 4: As an Episcopalian, we just started well about two months ago.
Speaker 4: Our bishop added a Spanish Mass actually too, because we're growing.
Speaker 4: It's growing so fast. We actually have people who sit
Speaker 4: into vestry. I'm taking if those people come, I'm taking
Speaker 4: my money and going elsewhere. What do I say and
Speaker 4: what can I do? I mean, how can I be
Speaker 4: loving those people?
Speaker 1: Are they bring to people that speak Spanish?
Speaker 4: Speak Spanish? Yes, and hey, I go so that I
Speaker 4: can improve my Spanish. It's a little rusty, so that's
Speaker 4: why I go. And because he's so on fire for
Speaker 4: the Lord that it's it's a blessing to go. So
Speaker 4: what can I say to those who object?
Speaker 1: You get people who are who feel that the church
Speaker 1: having services, they have English services as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we have three.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is just a few services that they're
Speaker 1: doing as a as an outreach to the Hispanic community.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because where I came from, in San Jose, California,
Speaker 4: that's where the biggest growth is. Our lady, while lub
Speaker 4: parish has over five thousand members.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's it seems uh, it seems a
Speaker 1: little silly. But what do I say to somebody who's
Speaker 1: who's has racial discomfort.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess that's the best way to put tip your.
Speaker 1: Hat and let them go their way. You know what's
Speaker 1: funny is Joanna, that you can find churches that have
Speaker 1: electric instrument services and then they have just organ services.
Speaker 1: There are some that have acoustic services and they will
Speaker 1: tell you, well, this is for to try and get
Speaker 1: some of the younger people more interested, or they have
Speaker 1: younger topics, or maybe a younger priest leading, or a
Speaker 1: younger bishop leading, or someone who is the pastor overseeing
Speaker 1: might be. You know, they have youth groups, they have
Speaker 1: all kinds of different outreaches, and there are many churches
Speaker 1: throughout the country that teach and preach in different languages
Speaker 1: throughout the day, whether it be Korean or what have you,
Speaker 1: or Spanish to super serve their community because of the
Speaker 1: makeup of the community. That may offend some. That may
Speaker 1: offend some, and it's their right to be offended. However,
Speaker 1: really it's not a very loving attitude if to go
Speaker 1: into it saying, well, if they change the entire church service,
Speaker 1: you know, all services to Spanish, well, then you get
Speaker 1: up and you go to one that's English because it's
Speaker 1: no the church. Well, because the church is now saying
Speaker 1: that we don't serve you English speakers, and and that
Speaker 1: I could see would be upsetting. But even in radio,
Speaker 1: you can find radio that is kind of Spanglish, kind
Speaker 1: of half Spanish, half English. You can find English speaking radio,
Speaker 1: you can find Spanish radio, you can find Korean radio.
Speaker 1: You can find all kinds of different language radio in
Speaker 1: the United States, as it pertains to a certain geographic area.
Speaker 1: And although the language of the United States most certainly
Speaker 1: is English, to the chagrin of some, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you can't super serve certain parts of your your community.
Speaker 1: There are schools that teach primarily in French in the
Speaker 1: United States. That's because that's the community that they're trying
Speaker 1: to serve. So it's really based on a form of bigotry.
Speaker 1: It's just somebody wanting to get upset. If it's really
Speaker 1: infringing on you and it's no longer serving you at
Speaker 1: the church, then get up and go. But if not,
Speaker 1: enjoy the English services and let other people enjoy it.
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