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Speaker 1: U dire wave. The scientific method cannot justify the scientific method.

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Therefore itself is a dogmatic.

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Speaker 2: Resprey submissions.

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stole's stop stop that stops, stops.

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Speaker 4: Sustens a stands.

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Speaker 3: Stops stop stock.

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Speaker 2: Still, snow stop.

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Speaker 3: It stops its stop on stocks stop stop stops SnO

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ships ship shod stars, shopping stars shop.

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Speaker 1: The Brazenski model, the technicraft model, is much more interested

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in the incremental slow, killed baby an approach to bring

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the technocracy into being. So they're not going to send

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the Homeland Security troops to round you up and put

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you in a FEMA camp. They'd much rather promote everybody

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being in national video games, the Disney, the virtual reality.

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All this kind of stuff isn't much better FEMA camp

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in your home? All right, what's up?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Uh? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: What is this mask mad man doing?

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Speaker 5: Hey? I'm just playing it safe here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're afraid I'm on a coof into the microphone

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and get it on you.

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Speaker 6: You know, I just figure, you know, let's let's said

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abide by the social distancing guidelines. I got my uh,

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this is my custom ballgates face mask protecting it says daddy,

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bad thing.

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Speaker 1: Don't do that. Okay, good, I'm happy for you. Great dude,

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Please take that off so everybody can see your your

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chad face. We decided on Twitter this week that you

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are in Chad, isn't he? He's a chat? He's a chat?

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You win? There, Get me my little headphones on here.

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Speaker 5: So we can do this properly.

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Speaker 1: Here, headphones, There we go.

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Speaker 5: That should be better.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, welcome dude.

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Speaker 5: It's been a while, yeah, too long, too long, brother.

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Speaker 1: Today we are going to cover the excellent series that

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you did about a year ago, maybe a year and

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a half ago, that I really enjoyed because I knew

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some of this material, but some of it I didn't know.

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And you covered a book that a guy did on

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the crazy, crazy Scarlet Woman character Marjorie Cameron. So I

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took a lot of notes. Jamie took a lot of notes.

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So we're basically gonna let ask you questions. You can

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tell us about it. We'll be promoting your stuff, your links,

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your material in the chat as you're talking. And then

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I've got some stuff in my books on this material

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as well, So why don't you start out, because you

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haven't been on in a while on my channel. I mean,

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we did the the Christy Mayor thing. But tell us,

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tell my audience who you are and what kind of

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stuff you do in a little bit of whatever you're

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comfortable telling us.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, most definitely thanks for having me on. As always.

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it's been a while now. And you mentioned that recent

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got a lot of good feedback on that. People really

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liked it when we all got together, so that was cool.

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As far as me and my journey, Well, let's to

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keep this fairly brief. I started blogging in twenty eleven,

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and ironically that is how I found jasanalysis dot com

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because I was researching different symbolism and all this stuff.

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I was just learning about trying to figure it all out, right,

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long story short. So then we then you know, it

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transitioned into a YouTube channel that got banned, and then

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that transitioned into a podcast conspiracy Theories.

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Speaker 1: On and then you had your transition.

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Speaker 5: And then we just we just cemented the deal. We

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just caught it good. Yeah, I know, the you know

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and I wrote, I wrote several books along the way

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as far as like how and you know, I come

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up with a pseudonym of Isaac Wisshaup, which is not

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my real name. That's it's the dumbest alias. I know.

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It's her albumer. I just uh, I had just interviewed

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doctor Diana Pelushka Pasulka. Excuse me, man, I don't why

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my brain messes her name up Paka. She's the one

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who wrote American Cosmic. I just interviewed her and and uh,

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she she thought it was super interesting. I forgot to

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real name. And she's a professor of religious studies, so

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weiss Hopf And I was like no, sorry, yeah, yeah,

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maybe I should roll with it. I'm actually like very German.

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bloodline in my family, so I mean it's not impossible.

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So I'm croup. Yeah, I get called a lot of things.

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although I don't know that I know of uh you're.

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Speaker 5: I'm just yeah, exactly, man exactly. So I'm pretty chilly basically.

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learning along the way, learning a lot along the way.

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And the podcast has really taken off a lot of people,

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you know, and people. People were telling me to do

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the podcast many many many years ago, and I didn't

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like doing it. I don't like the yeah, I don't

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like I don't like the sort of close and personal

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vibe of it because I was more interested in just

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blogging and keeping my distance. But since I've sort of

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think of the ideas, especially when you get into these

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fringe elements like like Marjorie Cameron. You know, a lot

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of people aren't familiar with how I mean, like like

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was three episodes on her in twenty eighteen, and.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And I pulled up my notes because you know,

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I don't I can't remember stuff that long. And I

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hadn't thought about Marjorie Cameron since I did the show.

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thirteen pages of notes here.

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Speaker 1: I was, holy crap, thirteen pages. Yeah, well, yeah, that

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was I mean, it was an awesome show. The whole

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series was. I'm a regular listener to your podcast, so

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I'm a big fan. And by the way, they want

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to give you a shot out for your lawnmower Man analysis,

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and I swear to you, a kid, you not. We

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had actually planned right around the same time to do

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lawnmower Man as well, so we did not rip you off,

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I promise you, even though we also came to the

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same simple jack conclusion, even though my.

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Speaker 5: Brain doesn't work so good. No, but uh yeah, and

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I don't I don't take offense to uh, you know

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us in this sort of truth or realm. We're surely

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gonna step on each other's penis sometimes, and uh, I

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don't even think about the time, and I don't think

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nothing of it, so you never have to address that

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it's a crying.

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know about that crying anyway, Well, it.

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Speaker 5: Was the I don't keep up on podcasts like I

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would like to. Is that the same show you did

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the Video Drome Analysis on?

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Drome we did we did Virtual Worlds as the theme.

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Johynamnic and then and then now and.

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Speaker 5: So nice I got a one on virtuosity. I'm gonna

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do here soon. It's not it wasn't that like chocked

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full of cool symbolism. So it's a short topic.

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I listened to when I'm not when I want to

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get away from the Truther World, I listened to a

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show called Evolution of Horror podcast and they just talked

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about horror movies, and they started talking about Cronenberg, and

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I thought, man, I don't really know much about his stuff.

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I saw Naked Lunch when I was a kid, and

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I was like, this is stupid. I don't even know

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what's going on here. And I went and watched damn it.

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think of it, but I watch just one of his.

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which I literally just finished two nights ago, and that's

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all you did and Annalysis. I was like, oh sweet,

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this is perfect because you know, on the first take

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of watching it, I didn't really understand what the hell

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Speaker 5: Check it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna love it when you dissect that. Also,

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Jason Lee. That's a virtual worlds movie by Cronenberg. That

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and like manifesting some kind of demonic archetype. It's pretty wild.

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it's actually a pretty creepy horror movie. So I've become

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a big David Cronenberg fan in the last few weeks Scanners. Also,

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what it came back to me? What what got me

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into Cronenberg was Crash. I had heard about Crash on

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the podcast and I was like, well, yeah.

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find a copy of it anywhere online, and I was

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like that, you know, that just stoked my intrigues. So

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I bought the DVD of it and watched him. I

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was like, this is bizarre stuff, man.

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gooeyer Carpenter. He's like a guyer giant carpenter, if you

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can even imagine that, right. But let's get into Marjorie

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Cameron and how she relates to some other big figures

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that we all know about, like Alser Crowley, Jack Parson's

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uh and Kenneth Anger. Because I've covered Kenneth Anger in

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my books, even Kenneth Grant, So why don't you tell

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us why she matters and maybe start off with where

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she comes from in her a little bit of her background.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, most definitely. So she is a fascinating character. I

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Tremendous Buggers. It was hard to put down because it's

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with the early drug psychedelic sort of thing. And we

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can kind of go through her history and you can

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kind of stop me, and we can go off the

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rails here and there. But she, you know, she was

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messing with the aliens. Of course, she was with Jack

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Parsons infamously, she was the Scarlet Woman, and she was

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close with Alistair Crowley while he was alive. But she

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grew up in the Midwest and she had all these

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some of these people are really you know, in touch,

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in tune with this sort of sixth sense idea, much

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like Joan of Arc, you know. And there's connections that

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voices and all that stuff.

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Speaker 7: Of course, well, she had something in common with Alshra

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Croley that she was raised in a strict puritanical family.

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at the age of nine, and she got beaten up

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see that a lot too like Charles Manson himself, he

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and people who go into the radical Antinomian rebellion. You know,

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they have this puritanical upbringing which kind of flowers up,

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you know, foams up later on into like this opposite

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extreme right. They want to go from this crazy puritanical thing.

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later when because Croley was in the Plymouth Brethren and

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a super strict, weird thing that didn't make any sense.

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really strict religious groups are very hypocritical because you've got

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this attitude of extreme supposed post to you. And then

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her mom turns around and wants like a you know,

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homemade abration.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I gotta feed careful with my language on here.

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that incident when she.

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Speaker 7: Was nine, that makes me think that there might have

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been some abuse in the family, because children don't just

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learn that by themselves.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, at nine years old, that's pretty young, So I mean,

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maybe I didn't see that in the book.

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I didn't read more than that book on Marjorie Cameron

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that that was sort of the definitive, you know, biography

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of her. Maybe there's more. That's a good, good thought though,

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maybe maybe there's more out there that would support that.

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Speaker 1: By the way, as I was listening to you again

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and we redid your your series, it reminded me of

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some of the visions that and experiences that she claims

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to have had. Have you done any of the Twin

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Speaker 5: Now, I've never seen Twin Peaks, not the old one

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Speaker 1: Well, what eventually is revealed, I mean, this is not

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telling you too much about the plot, because it's more

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so revealed in the book about Twin Peaks by Mark Frost,

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is that it's all based on Parsons, Cameron, Crowley and

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all that. So yeah, So Mark Frost, who co wrote

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co created it with David Lynch, wrote a book a

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couple of years ago, and it's the whole history of

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Twin Peaks going back like one hundred and fifty years

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or so. And he includes these sections about Parsons, about

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the Babylon working the gate that they tried to set

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up this demon portal gate and all this kind of stuff.

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the original movie, and then in the new series we

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see these white horses walk by, and in the film,

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it's not Marjorie Cameron, it's Laura Palmer, but Laura and

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her mom are plagued by seeing these white horses. And ironically,

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Laura's mom is supposed to be the one who brings

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forth the battle on woman, the Scarlet Woman, So it's

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actually Laura's mom that ends up being kind of what

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would be equivalent to a Marjorie Cameron character. Ironically.

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Speaker 5: Interesting is that you said that's on the movie or

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the TV series.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's implicit in the show. It's all one big story, right,

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So the old show, the movie, and the new season,

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they all are telling one kind of big story about

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Twin Peaks. And I always had a specific theory on it,

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and so I wrote my big long analysis before back

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in twenty fifteen or sixteen. Then they did Mark Frost

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put his book out and it vindicated all the stuff

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I suspected. So it was all about the Crollian stuff.

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It was all about ritual magic. It was all about

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the Trinity Site and all that stuff, which is going

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to relate to Parsons. Okay, so but that's not a theory.

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It's all in Mark Frost's book, Like you put it

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all in there.

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Speaker 5: That's insane. I have to watch that now. It's always

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been on my radar. People bring it up constantly, and

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it's it's like it's like telling somebody to Like, if

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someone tells me I should watch the X Files, It's like, cool,

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I'll just set aside six months of my life and

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do that. I guess.

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, those are worth doing, though, Twin Peaks

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and X Files for like, if you're a conspiracy guy,

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they're definitely what you want to do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to. In fact, I'm going to rewatch

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because I I watched the X Files growing up and

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I missed huge chunks of it, but I wanted to

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reinvestigate the uh you know, there's there's a list of

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episodes that are part of the alien uh you know,

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I don't know what you call the alien storyline of

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that whole thing, but yeah, I want to check that out.

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Speaker 7: Well, pretty much every conspiracy is represented in the X Files.

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Every character. You know, there's a a face on Mars

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episode every goofy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, And I never liked those sort of like

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you know, uh, you know big Foot in the Woods episodes,

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Like I those were always they never interested me, even

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as a kid. I kind of would tune those out.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I like all of them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's a cool storyline about how his sister

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got abducted. And you know, I didn't even like the movie.

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The movie you know, it was called Fight the Future,

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And I think that plays into the big alien agenda

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because from the research I've been doing because I'm writing

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this book on aliens, it's you get into some real

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weird woo woo territory real quick with the alien UFO phenomenon.

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And I think there's something with space time or quantum

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entanglement that when X Files is called Fight the Future,

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I think there's some element there that pertains to the

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UFO agenda.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. In fact, we've got our next one of

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the next series that we're gonna do is we picked

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all the ten most interesting X Files that we're going

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to cover the episodes because there's like the overall story

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arc of the UFOs and the genetic modification all that stuff.

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And then there's individual episodes too that can be really fascinating,

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that the kind of monster of the Week type stuff.

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But I wanted to show you. So here's Mark Frost's

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big fat Twin Peaks History of Twin Peaks book. And

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you'll notice, like I said, right there, there's a chap

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whole chapter on that guy. And look who's on the

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next page, mister strange angel. And then who's on the

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very next page. I thought it was the next page.

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There's the Devil's Gate in California, and then Marjorie Cameron.

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So here's here's Marjorie. She does make her way into

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the Twin Peaks story. As I was telling you, where

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did she grow up?

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Speaker 5: Do you remember in Iowa? Let me get this bell Plain, Iowa?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the hell Mels in Iowa?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You have you watched Buffy ever?

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Speaker 5: No, I'm terrible. In the nineties was a huge There

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was a huge gap from like ninety four to like

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two thousand and two where I didn't really consume it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't either, I mean, she made me watch it.

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But it's like Teenager X Files basically, but the city

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is on a hell mouth basically, So all these entities

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come through the portal of the city.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, kind of like that if you guys watch

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Hell You're on Amazon, they kind of they go out

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to I believe's Kentucky or something and there's a cave

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out there that there supposedly aliens come through. It fits

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into that Alan Greenfield book Secret Cipher of the UFO

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Nots and Alistair Crowley.

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Speaker 2: And all that.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, by the way, welcome everybody. We've got over

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three hundred nerds, which is good for early evenings. So

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we are talking with our buddy Isaaca Vaishalt and we

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are covering his analysis of the Scarlet Woman herself, missus

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Marjorie Cameron, and you can follow his Instagram. I'm gonna

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put it in the chat again. I've linked it multiple times,

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Lincoln once again, so nice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I gotta get the numbers up to get my

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thought on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's trying to be an Instagram thought and then

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he can then he can open up his yogurt pants

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OnlyFans account when he gets enough of the fans, So

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be sure and follow him over there. But all right,

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let's talk about this is where it really it kicks

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off early on that I had actually forgot this part,

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and this is that she joins the Navy and apparently

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she gets roped into some kind of thing where maybe

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she's like a honey trap.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she worked for the Joint Chief of Staff, which

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is pretty bizarre because I mean that's that's moving up

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to very high levels with very minimal experience in the military.

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Speaker 7: And she did hair and makeup for propaganda films. Is

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that what you said?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they had her working on man, where was that

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it was? It was I don't remember, I don't remember where,

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but yeah, there was like military propaganda films and she

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was working on the set for that and they they

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they she claimed that she was part of the what

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do you call the honey trap deal, like Jennifer Lawrence

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that movie. Yeah, which you know, a lot of that

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would make sense, you know, like she was possibly traumatized

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as a kid, you know, if you want to buy

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into that idea that maybe she was. And uh, she

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had all these weird supernatural tendencies and the military had

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had plenty of projects looking at the paranormal operations of

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the mind and how it connects into you know, associative

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identity disorders and alter egos.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but actually the Soviets and the US did. The

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Soviets had their own SI SI spy program running at

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the same time as as we were doing MK Ultra

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and the Stanford research stuff. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so they would, you know, because they were recruiting

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like you know, Uri Geller and Ingo Swan and they

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were they were wanting all these sort of people that

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had natural abilities to study them. And what I found,

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I don't know if I think you were out of

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the room there. I'll started, Jamie the the Alien book.

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I'm writing the the idea that I this and it's

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hard without going off on a thirty minute tangent about it.

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But what I'm what I'm finding, And maybe this is

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old hat for some theorists, but like for me, I didn't.

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I didn't know this until my recent book. The Collins

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Elite was like this group of Christian insiders that since

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the forties have been part of, you know, attached to

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some level of you know, I don't know we call

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the PEGON or Department of Defense, but it might have

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been tied into the CIA or the FBI or whatever.

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With this group was investigating UFOs and aliens because Jack Parsons,

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who you know, was tied into this Cameron stuff. Jack

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Parsons was opening up these portals and doing these rituals,

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and they believe on some levels that he genuinely opened

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up a portal to contact demons. And this group of

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the Collins Elite have been researching it since the forties,

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and then when Parsons died in fifty two, things really

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heated up and they were trying to figure it out

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because before he died, they were more or less sort

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of what I'm piecing together, grilling Parsons on like how

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this worked and what he was doing, because they were

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trying to get you know, their arms wrapped around this thing.

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And then he died at you know, he was like

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thirty seven when he died, and you know, unexpectedly obviously,

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and we can talk about that too, But when he died,

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then they started scrambling. They said, holy crap, like you know,

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even Crowley himself said like this idiot didn't close off

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the portal or whatever, you know, when Crowley died in

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forty seven. So the idea exists that people were concerned

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about Parsons manifesting aliens, which this consili group said, no,

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these are demons, They're not just friendly, the Aliens, Marvin

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the Martian type stuff, and they've been researching this stuff

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since then. What's curious to me and what blows my

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mind is that if you read, if you research, if

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you watch some of the interviews with Louis Alexando, the

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guy who ran the A Tip program out of the

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Pentagon there in two thousand and seven, twenty twelve, in

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recent interviews, he's been publicly saying, how, yeah, we were

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researching all this stuff for many years. The problem was

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there was a group of like these sort of you know,

472
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,440
silly Christians, and they thought we were summoning Satan, so

473
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,160
we kept getting shut down. Ha ha ha. Then on

474
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:46,319
Joe Rogan recently, George Knapp and Jeremy Corbel were on

475
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,279
there and the same exact almost verbade them the same

476
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:52,680
words that Louis Alexandro's saying in the press. George Napp

477
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,680
talks about the same thing, or maybe it was Corbel,

478
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:57,759
I don't remember, and you know, the same response Joe

479
00:31:57,839 --> 00:31:59,880
Rogan kind of laughing at it, you know. And it's like,

480
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,240
so the influence of the Colins elite. From what I've

481
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:10,440
been what I've found, I should say, from what I

482
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:14,880
understand their influence has diminished greatly, which would make sense.

483
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,960
This sort of follows the trajectory of the Christian influence

484
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,319
in America in the forties and fifties. It was obviously

485
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,160
much greater than it is today. So I would argue

486
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,759
that the stuff anyway. Oh, so let me tie it

487
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,200
back into what we're talking about here. So the idea

488
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:33,920
here is that the powers that be have a vested

489
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,519
interest in understanding how the mind works, how these paranormal

490
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:41,880
things work, how we talk to entities in another dimension.

491
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,599
Because they're witnessing, they know this happens. They just can't

492
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,440
explain it, which is why the public doesn't get the

493
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:51,559
full story, because how could they, How could how could

494
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:56,599
the how could a good leader come out and say, Yeah,

495
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,240
this thing is happening and it's pretty scary. We have

496
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,839
no idea anything about it, how to stop it, how

497
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,440
it happens, we have no clue because that looks weak,

498
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,160
and they've been slowly creeping out disclosure over this last

499
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,839
little bit, which is why I'm like frantically typing up

500
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:19,319
this alien book. But I think it all fits together

501
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:22,000
with parsons and cameras, and they're the start of.

502
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: Fact, one of the big proponents of this whole ethos

503
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:31,079
of the alien UFO stuff is, of course Arthur C. Clark,

504
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,359
And I did a whole chapter on Signs, the mel

505
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,680
Gibson film Signs, and then I cover Clark and Carrellen

506
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:43,599
and the childhoods in ethos or mythos, because Carrellen is

507
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:46,480
a demon more or less. I mean, if you watch

508
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:48,559
this series, he looks like a demon, and if you

509
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,599
read the book, he's described as kind of an Antichrist

510
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,200
type of figure even though he's an alien. But the

511
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:57,839
Overlords are specifically anti human and demonic. I mean they're

512
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,880
described that way in the book. And Arthur C. Clark

513
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,839
was in the circles of Crollians and so he's a

514
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,839
big promoter of this right two thousand and one in

515
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,639
Space Honesty, So this all definitely goes together. What do

516
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,880
you think about that? Did you you know? I'm sure

517
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,199
you knew about Child's in and all that.

518
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And I think that storyline, if I'm not mistaken,

519
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,840
is the alien comes and hides himself from the people

520
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,039
because they can't see that he's truly a demon, and

521
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:29,760
they would be scared. Then and he comes and he helped.

522
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,400
He's helping people out and doing whatever. And then slowly

523
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,840
they start evolving, the children, I believe, and the children

524
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,119
start getting the CDs and the superpowers and levitating and

525
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,360
esp and all this right, wacky bizarre, Oh that's all right,

526
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:48,280
Like yeah, exactly, yeah, man, Yeah, and the kids evolve,

527
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,719
and I want to say that the kids end up

528
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,159
leaving the planet and the overlords destroy the whole thing

529
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:54,679
and move on.

530
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:57,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same idea that was in the original R.

531
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,960
Two C. Clark two thousand and one story was Starchild

532
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:05,559
decides that humanity is a lost cause and so he

533
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,559
nukes the world.

534
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,639
Speaker 5: Basically, Yeah, it's and those two thousand and one, the

535
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,920
sequel novels. I read all those, in fact, I'm in

536
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,480
the process of rereading them, and they were really good.

537
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,719
And you know, two thousand and ten and twenty sixty

538
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,480
one and three thousand and one. Yeah, they lay out

539
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:26,719
the whole storyline, and it's like, you see enough of

540
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,559
this in the science fiction that it becomes very clear

541
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:34,280
that these psychopaths believe this. They're part of this weird

542
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,480
death cult exactly. They're just obsessed with getting rid of humanity.

543
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,639
For God, knows why. I mean, you could call it

544
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,760
demonic influence, or they think that they've got a higher calling.

545
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,679
I mean, I don't really understand why they subscribe to this.

546
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:55,000
But in that in fact, in my Alien book, I've

547
00:35:55,039 --> 00:36:00,320
got a chapter a section on the death cult adrenochrome stuff,

548
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,880
because as bizarro as the adrenochrome talk is, and I've

549
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,760
for a long time thought that was just fringy truth

550
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,719
or nonsense. Again, you look at enough science fiction and

551
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:18,960
you know entertainment, you see it pop up over and over,

552
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:20,159
and there's something to it.

553
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

554
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:23,199
Speaker 7: And it's in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

555
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And and and I read through the section

556
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,239
in Fear and loathingn't. I haven't read the whole book,

557
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,840
but I read that section in Fear and Loathing. And

558
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,079
if you read the whole section, it's the guy, the

559
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,239
lawyer who has the drug says that he got it

560
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,119
from a Satanist who was also a I don't know

561
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,559
what's the right term here, child abuser, we'll say. And

562
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,960
it's like, how bizarre is this? And then it shows

563
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,000
up again in another hunter S tops and book, Fear

564
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:55,599
and Loathing on the campaign trail, seventy two, So like,

565
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,599
was he really making that up? I don't. I don't

566
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:02,400
know that he was. You see it in clockwork orange

567
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,320
and the dream of chrome on the wall there, and

568
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,960
it's in the milk that the clockwork drugies are drinking.

569
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: Well yeah, And I want to remind the audience. We've

570
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,360
got almost four hundred live, which is a good crowd tonight.

571
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,880
Welcome nerds, and welcome all you Isaac fans. We're talking

572
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,199
to Isaac about his analysis of Marjorie Caeron. Also, I

573
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:26,960
would remind people too, I did do an Orthodox analysis

574
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:32,320
of the alien stuff from Father surfrom Rose's book, which

575
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,360
everybody's probably familiar with Orthodox in the religion in the future.

576
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,519
It's one of the more popular talks. You want to

577
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,719
go hear my talk on that book. And Father Rose

578
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,519
covers the alien demon stuff from the Orthodox view, which

579
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:45,639
it's a great book. It's a classic, it's a must read.

580
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:48,199
But he pretty much backs up all the stuff we're

581
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,920
saying then, Isaac. I don't know if you happen to

582
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,159
catch the show that I did on John C. Lilly,

583
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:55,920
but I came across his autobiography. He actually has two

584
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,639
chapters where he talks about tripping balls and interacting with

585
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,760
the beings, and he more or less calls them aliens,

586
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,159
and he says that they helped him get ideas for

587
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,159
a lot of the tech that he was studying. And

588
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,480
he was actually doing back in the fifties, the implantable

589
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:17,400
microchip stuff, So he was putting the chips in the

590
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,199
monkeys' brains back in the fifties, way before most people

591
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,039
thought that was the thing.

592
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had read the only thing I knew about Lily,

593
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:26,840
The only thing I read of his was he had

594
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,400
this whole essay on the human mind as a biocomputer,

595
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,000
you know, because they think, you know, And that's what's

596
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,039
wrong with these scientists, Like I'm starting to get this

597
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,400
reputation as being anti science, and that's not very accurate.

598
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:44,800
It's more of the people behind the science, because the

599
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,000
science is just a tool, I think. But it's these

600
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,920
people that get this weird idea in their heads of

601
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,280
what they should do. And I don't know if it's

602
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,400
like they're so used to thinking in this sort of

603
00:38:56,679 --> 00:39:01,880
binary logic zeros and ones, black and white world warps

604
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,000
their brain, but they think that everything could be programmable, predictable,

605
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:06,800
and controllable.

606
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,679
Speaker 7: Don't you think Doctor Strange is about a drenochrome. I'm

607
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,199
not Doctor Strange, but no, the sequel to Shining was.

608
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:22,119
Speaker 5: That called Doctor Doctor. Yeah, for sure, that's about drenochrome.

609
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

610
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 5: In fact, I had read the book Doctor Sleep before

611
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:28,440
I saw the movie, which I think was a good

612
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:31,239
call because like the movie's damn near three hours. I

613
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,800
actually didn't love it. I thought it was a little

614
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,199
bit long and kind of boring. But you know, and

615
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:38,639
in the book, you you read, you get a little

616
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:42,199
bit more information about like how the so like the

617
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,840
boy that they kill in the movie, you know, is

618
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,920
also in the book Brad the baseball boy, and when

619
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,920
they kill him, they they have like a knife. I

620
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,719
think they showed in the movie a little bit, but

621
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,679
they have a knife and they're kind of scaring the kid,

622
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,000
and then they start kind of like stabbing him and

623
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,280
he's letting out this steam and they say, you know,

624
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,440
the the fear purifies the steam, which is kind of

625
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,039
like the adrenochrome stuff. But what's curious is in the

626
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:12,639
book they talk about Abra is her name. She is

627
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,559
trying to help Danny locate the vampires or whatever. So

628
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:21,280
they have an artifact from Brad the baseball boy. They

629
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,519
have his baseball glove and she touches it and she

630
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,880
is able to you know, channel all this crap about them,

631
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,920
and she says that they are She basically says they're

632
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,440
like lizard people, which is very curious, you know, because.

633
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,559
Speaker 1: The cheta.

634
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the eggshell of consciousness exactly. Yeah. They

635
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:50,760
so the book and then and then I don't know

636
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,599
if I don't know if anyone caught this, but when

637
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,400
Danny is working in the nursing home and doctor Sleep,

638
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,920
he's reading the Playgirl magazine, which is the same thing

639
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:02,360
that Playgirl Jack is reading in the signing, which is

640
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,119
talking about incest and all this stuff.

641
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to so. By the way, I did

642
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:09,599
have actually a note about scientism. Actually, the roots of

643
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:11,719
scientism are in the occult believe it or not, a

644
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,320
lot of people don't know that. They think that modern

645
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,400
science is the opposite. It's actually totally in line with

646
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:21,159
occult as if it comes out of Masonic Royal Society alchemy.

647
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:25,519
They were the original proponents of scientism a few centuries ago.

648
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:29,840
And Isaac Newton, all these hate you know, great saints

649
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:35,079
of scientism are actually a science quote unquote, are actually alchemists, occultists,

650
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:39,760
et cetera. But let's get back to Marjorie, because tell

651
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,000
me about how she. Do you recall how she met

652
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:46,679
Jack Parsons and how he was wasn't he looking for

653
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:51,880
a scarlet woman to do the Babylon working through yees?

654
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 5: She she she moved to she got out of the Navy.

655
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,880
She moved to Pasadena and she went to the part

656
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:03,280
Ninja Manson which her mansion, excuse me, which is a

657
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,519
place that there's a lot. There were a lot of

658
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:08,920
rumors about what was going on there. I believe it

659
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,480
was Curtis Harrington, the director, said something to the effect

660
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:14,440
of how he heard they were doing satanic stuff up

661
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,039
in the attic. They were known for having all these

662
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:21,039
sort of wild sex parties, and she checked it out

663
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:23,480
because she heard that they were doing fertility rights.

664
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: By the way, I listened to that show, that was

665
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,920
a great interview you did with him. Is he the

666
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,320
guy that's friends with Crispin Glover and knows David Lynch

667
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:30,639
and all that?

668
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 5: Oh, Ryan Page, Yeah, No, No, Curtis Harrington, he's like

669
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,239
an old timey directoride. Yeah, that's okay.

670
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: I got it mixed up. But by the way, that

671
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,000
was that's odd again because last night we watched The

672
00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:49,480
River's Edge, which is that weird movie with Crispin that's

673
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:51,320
kind of he's like the main character more or less,

674
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,599
him and Kenall Reeves. I don't know if you've seen that,

675
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,039
but that's I think that that guy mentions that when

676
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:00,360
you interviewed him movie.

677
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ryan, Ryan knows Crispin Glover. That's kind of how

678
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,440
he got his Yeah. Yeah, so that and uh and

679
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:11,039
Chrispin Glover is an interesting character. He he had a

680
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:13,320
lot of ideas that he seems to be a little

681
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,880
bit more rebellious against the Hollywood scene, uh from what

682
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:20,679
I've read. But but yeah, anyway, uh yeah, So Marjorie

683
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:25,159
she she hooked up with him, and this was after

684
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:29,000
so he was still married to Sarah Northrop. Jack Parsons

685
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:35,119
was when when him and l Ron Hubbard went out

686
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:39,440
in the desert and did that Babylon workings. Now, Jack

687
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:45,440
Parsons was he he'd gone into Theosophical Society meetings obviously,

688
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,320
you know Helena Blavatski stuff, but he was more into

689
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,800
Crowley at the time because he liked the The Red

690
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,559
Blooded paganism of it, you know. Uh. And and Crowley

691
00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:59,920
himself was a bit of a misogynist abuser of women,

692
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:02,039
all of his all the women he was hooked in

693
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:06,159
with went insane or killed themselves or or got beat

694
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,000
beat up, you know, like he wasn't a good dude

695
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:15,400
at all. Oh really, yeah, he he he was out

696
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,840
of control for sure, you know. And Jack Parsons apparently

697
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:22,760
liked that, so he uh he hooked up with l

698
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,559
Ron Hubbard to be his his his Edward Kelly as

699
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,280
it were, you know, because I don't know how the

700
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,599
listeners if they if they you know, John d and

701
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,440
Edward Kelly back in old timey days, we're doing a

702
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,800
lot of this weird Andochian magic, so that they were

703
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,679
talking to these spirits, and spirits gave him Thenochian magic

704
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,559
language that they said, oh, here's a here's how you

705
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:47,880
can talk to us in the future. Just use this,

706
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,000
you know, mysterious alphabet and things will happen. And and

707
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:55,480
then uh, you know, some of the angels told Kelly

708
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:57,960
indeed to do a little wife swap in action. So

709
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:01,280
they did that, which ironic Jack Parsons and now iron

710
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,800
Hubbard would also do. After they were using the Anochian

711
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:10,400
language to try to manifest the the scarlet woman, which

712
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:14,199
you know turned out to be be uh, Marjorie Cameron.

713
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:18,079
But I do think it's let me find my notes

714
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:21,639
on because there was two So the Babylon working, let's

715
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:24,639
talk about that for a second. This was the ritual

716
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,440
done in forty six with l Ron Hubbard and Jack

717
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:31,719
Parsons on the desert. And in the book it actually

718
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,880
said there was two possible meanings for this ritual. The

719
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:41,400
first one they say that it was purely symbolic and

720
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:47,480
it was a metaphysical exploration to prophecy the changing times

721
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:52,320
and waking up the libido of the masses. Now, so

722
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,119
it's a little bit more woo wooie than manifesting a

723
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,159
literal human being.

724
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 7: Can I just interject something real fast, because people think

725
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:04,159
these people are just weirdos out in the desert doing

726
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:06,199
their own thing. But this guy worked for cal Tech,

727
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,119
He worked for Howard Hughes. He has a crater on

728
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:15,639
the dark side, yeah, I mean, and connected U C.

729
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:16,079
Speaker 2: L A.

730
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 7: And you know, live next door to the Bush family

731
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:23,039
in Pasadena. Like he's not just some weirdo.

732
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:31,159
Speaker 5: The Bush family out there, No kidding, Yeah, the beer

733
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,559
really yeah? Okay, all right, well that's interesting too. I

734
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:37,960
was gonna say, maybe that's a weird connection to the

735
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:43,559
Barber Bush Crowley theory of the bloodline there. That's interesting too,

736
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:48,440
Bush with a with a sea there Bush Okay, well yeah,

737
00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:51,480
so so there was two. There was two explanations for

738
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,039
the Babylon workings, and the second one is what people

739
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:57,760
commonly believe, but apparently it's not very clear as to

740
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,440
what they were trying to do. The second rational for

741
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:03,400
why they were doing.

742
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: This was I thought, wasn't it, Well, maybe this is

743
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:08,960
you're going to get to the second rationale to bring

744
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:11,360
the new aon and then get rid of Christianity.

745
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 5: That's right. Yeah, they wanted a physical birth. They wanted

746
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,880
to create the moonchild, which is this idea of a

747
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,360
magical offspring where you know, So there was it was

748
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,000
a two part ritual. Jack and iw On Hubbard did

749
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,239
the first part. Then Jack meets Marjorie Cameron, who's supposed

750
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,719
to be the consort. She is the one with whom

751
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,000
he's supposed to have the moonchild with, which is when

752
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,679
they started the second part of the ritual. And this

753
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,039
is where the theory gets a little wonky as to

754
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:43,599
what were they really trying to do. And the second

755
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:47,440
part of the second explanation is what people commonly believe

756
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:50,119
is that he was actually trying to conjure this woman

757
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:53,719
from the spiritual plane and they were supposed to have

758
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,840
a baby, which was the moon child. But the problem

759
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,800
with that theory is that Jack Parsons was very like,

760
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,199
he didn't like kids, He was very anti children. He

761
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,320
said he would never have kids, So it didn't really

762
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,159
make sense. So so she was supposed to be the

763
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,119
vehicle for this new spirit that and yes, destroying Christianity

764
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,039
was the main, the main goal, because Jack Parsons thought

765
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:21,000
he was the anti Christ, and he thought he was.

766
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,960
He thought that Babylon the spirit dictated to him a

767
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:29,719
book called leb forty nine, she called the danum Moud

768
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,480
of the Book of the Law, which is Crowley's book,

769
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:35,920
which the demon told him every whispered in his ear,

770
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:39,000
you know. And it's all and it's so funny to me.

771
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:42,280
It's like these disembodied spirits are talking to these guys

772
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,960
and and they're all saying Christianity is the worst thing ever.

773
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,679
It's got to go away. And it's like well, what

774
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,159
what do we call these things? I mean, it's it's

775
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,159
very clear that they're demonic apparitions of some kind.

776
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of people don't know either that

777
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,679
the this crew will interpret the Book of Revelation as

778
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,199
a gnostic ritual, like they view the book as a

779
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,719
thing that's supposed to be a key to how in

780
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,800
the last days the final Megas can decode it and

781
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,119
figure out how to open up the gates and bring

782
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,960
the sealed judgments and basically incarnate Babylon. So what they

783
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,320
were trying to do, I think, was to use the

784
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,639
Book of Revelation like a form of a ritual, and

785
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,119
then they would find the avatar, you know, Marjorie camer

786
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,239
or something like that, to be the vehicle to be

787
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,599
to be possessed by the spirit of Babylon, the Mother

788
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,400
of Mysteries, the Horror of Revelation.

789
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 5: And and what's interesting is, uh, you know, Carl Young

790
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,199
talked about the Apocalypse and his interpretation of it was basically,

791
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,559
it's a it's the new World Order, and it's it's

792
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:55,320
awakening man's inner superpowers or whatever. And what's curious is

793
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,039
that Babylon b A B Y L O N means

794
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,519
the gate of the God, which is the idea that

795
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:09,039
these Babylonian stargaters and ancient occultists they were literally communing

796
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:14,159
with higher powers and deities and you know whatever that is.

797
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,159
But when Crowley came up with the babylon Working Ritual,

798
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:23,679
it was spelled Baba l o n. And he did

799
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,400
that because it's based upon the Enochian writings of John

800
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:32,280
d and the dimensions of the table upon which the

801
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,400
angels told John De their language of how to communicate

802
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,239
with these aliens basically these spirits or whatever. And the

803
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,199
product of the table was twelve by thirteen, which he

804
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,360
goes one hundred and fifty six, which is the dumatriy

805
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:51,920
equivalent of Vaba l o n. And Crowley was he said,

806
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,039
this was the number of the city of the Pyramids,

807
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,239
where the initiates would spend the night of Pan, which

808
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,280
is where you go to destroy the ego. And you know,

809
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:02,760
all this kind of wacky stuff that like to the

810
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,480
common person, like you know, like me, when I read it,

811
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:07,440
I'm like, what the hell are they talking about? Man?

812
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:09,280
Some bizarro stuff.

813
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 1: And Parsons had what he had a book called The

814
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:18,920
manifest of the Antichrist and Book of the Antichrist, and

815
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:21,760
they were they thought that. So there, the correspondence here

816
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,760
is that the age of Chorus, the crown and conquering child,

817
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,800
will replace the age of what what's prior to Horace isis.

818
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,599
Speaker 5: So like it was a Cyrus, the patriarchy CRUs.

819
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: Okay, and then the age of Pisces is replaced by

820
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,039
the age of Aquarius in astrology.

821
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:43,039
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, what was

822
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:44,159
it the black question?

823
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,639
Speaker 7: What is the black box? You keep mentioning?

824
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 5: Oh okay, yeah, so let me let me find it

825
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,920
in my notes. This is actually pretty interesting. So Jack Parsons,

826
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,960
he didn't tell Marjorie Cameron what he was doing with

827
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:01,000
these rituals, Like apparently she didn't know about any of

828
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:04,519
this crap to an extent, I guess I'm sure she

829
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:09,320
knew something of it. But the so he So Parsons

830
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,199
died in fifty two, and when he.

831
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: Died, he he.

832
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 5: Blew himself up, is the official story. But he did.

833
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,480
He had a closed casket. No one ever officially identified

834
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,360
the body. There's theories as to whether or not he

835
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,079
really died.

836
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,599
Speaker 1: You know, they were trying to create a homunculus too

837
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:26,920
in there.

838
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:32,199
Speaker 5: That's right, that's that's one of the theories because man,

839
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,079
I forget the name. I think it was Theodore von

840
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:39,280
Carman had a relative that successfully created a gallam, a

841
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:44,280
spiritless being, and that influenced Parsons. I think I could

842
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:44,800
be wrong on that.

843
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's Craig Heinbigner's book covers this blood

844
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:51,400
on the altar, but he talks about his analysis is

845
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,119
that they were trying to invoke or to create this

846
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,000
homunculous beast thing and that would be like the age

847
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:02,639
of the New Human. And he alleges to that there

848
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,400
was like incest, that Parsons was sleeping with his mom

849
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:06,039
or something too.

850
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had read that too. I had read it

851
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:13,719
in one of Nick Redfern's books. I believe he apparently

852
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:19,199
was doing that. And what's crazy is that And we'll

853
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,119
get to that black box in one second, because it

854
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:29,239
it hinges upon his death, he he thought that these

855
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,519
rituals that they were doing on the desert were going

856
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:37,280
to impress this babylon goddess. But then he was worried

857
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,920
that he was suffering, that they were attacking him through

858
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:42,960
the astral plane.

859
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:51,599
Speaker 1: One example psychic vampire magic attack, right, what a psychic

860
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,679
vampire magic attack from the astral.

861
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, that's exactly what it was.

862
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,679
And he thought, like he thought Crowley's death was an

863
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,000
exam that because that happened, you know, a year later

864
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,559
or whatever, and he was worried he was going to

865
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:06,239
get killed. He was worried about this. He was like

866
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,119
thirty six at the time they did the rituals. Okay,

867
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,880
So what he did was, after he hooked up.

868
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,039
Speaker 1: With Cameron ICBMs coming in from the mav zone.

869
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:27,079
Speaker 5: Ahead, he passed on the responsibilities because the Manifestation of

870
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:29,880
Babylon was here to you know, create the new world

871
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:34,159
order basically. And he passed on these responsibilities to Marjorie

872
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:36,039
Cameron because he knew he was going to die, much

873
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:38,599
like many of these rappers today they know they're going

874
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:42,360
to die. And he started showing her some rituals and

875
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:45,639
he said that Babylon. He told her, you know, this

876
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,880
is what we call the Babylon ritual and this is

877
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:51,760
this is the great work that links you and I together.

878
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,800
But I think that's as far as she knew about

879
00:54:53,800 --> 00:55:00,719
the rituals. And he said on the day that Babylon

880
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,639
would manifest, he would be blown away, which is curious

881
00:55:03,639 --> 00:55:08,320
because he died in an explosion, so so Parsons knew

882
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,599
he was gonna die, and in preparation for this, he

883
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,280
left this black box and it was a magical manuscripts

884
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,800
inside the box, and the note on top of the

885
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,599
box said, don't go further or you'll lose your life.

886
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:27,440
The guy who was in possession of this box, George Fry,

887
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:32,000
he tried to open this thing and apparently he cut

888
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:33,960
his hand so bad and left the scar. That's the

889
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:39,880
legend of it now. So then so after he dies,

890
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:44,000
Margerie Cameron goes down to Mexico and for the rest

891
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:46,679
of her life she was obsessed with completing the mission

892
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,719
of Babylon. And she was even doing weird sex magic

893
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:56,039
rituals to jack Parson's spirit out in the ether. But

894
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,400
she conducted her first blood ritual. What's that?

895
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:02,679
Speaker 7: That's very icis Egyptian.

896
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: Of her to do that?

897
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, so she she really was trying to make

898
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,440
it happen. She even said that she brought a time

899
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:12,400
traveler back with her once like and and she saw

900
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:16,480
aliens and u of foes and I mean like the

901
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:18,719
book really is nuts. How much stuff she this chick

902
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,960
went through. Uh, but she she went down to Mexico

903
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:26,079
did Alester Croley's Born Less Ritual, which some say it's

904
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:29,559
an exorcism, but it gets you really close to these

905
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:35,360
demonic entities. And down there she changed her magical name

906
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,760
because you know, these magicians they take on these magical

907
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,000
names that they sort of keep private so that the

908
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,199
other magicians can't use it against them.

909
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 2: Uh.

910
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 5: And Jack Parsons gave her her first name, which was

911
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:51,480
Candida or Candy. And when she went down to Mexico

912
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:52,960
after Parsons died.

913
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,559
Speaker 1: Your magical name is stripper name.

914
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 5: You're well listen to this, listen to what her Listen

915
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,760
to what her her second name was. It was Hilarion,

916
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,119
which you know immediately made me think of Hilarion Clinton.

917
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:17,280
But anyway, Uh, she was a magical because Jack hell there,

918
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,519
you man, he's he splashed on the news and came

919
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:24,039
and went real quick. He was on there for about

920
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:25,840
a solid day and then disappeared.

921
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: Anyway, So does she think she's kind of I think

922
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,960
you mentioned Rosemary's baby anyone elsis Uh she kind of

923
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:35,079
thinking she is like Rosemary? Oh I don't.

924
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 5: I don't remember that, but I mean I think the

925
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:40,280
the idea was there of like incarnating some kind of

926
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,039
manifestation of something that's uh, you know, what do you

927
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:47,880
call it. It's you know, half human, half spirit or

928
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,199
something like that. You know, So that's a little different.

929
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 7: And you said before, part of these rituals was to

930
00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:59,639
awaken the libido of the masses according to Wilhelm, Right.

931
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:04,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me let me find that in my notes,

932
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:07,800
because that gets into the territory that's a little too

933
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,800
smart for me to keep in the back pocket. So okay, Yeah,

934
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:12,239
so that that.

935
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:20,119
Speaker 1: Ties demons perm the the news, the demons.

936
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:26,079
Speaker 5: Perm alien DNA bro. Yeah, the first explanation for the

937
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:31,840
Babylon workings ties into Wilhelm right with this idea of

938
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:37,599
libido being suppressed, which is kind of like Freud stuff, right,

939
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,840
Like that ties you into like Freud and Young and

940
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,800
all that this idea that there was a true inner

941
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,599
human being suppressed, and that could be the root of

942
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:51,920
where this anti Christian sentiment comes from, because they think

943
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:55,079
that the Christians and the Church and organized religion in

944
00:58:55,199 --> 00:59:01,280
general was suppressing all of this sexual energy, and they

945
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,599
went as far as they think it calls the actual

946
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,320
neurosis and all this, all this libido needed to be unleashed,

947
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:13,880
is what they thought. But yeah, that's that's uh. The

948
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,639
black box was what she She eventually opened it and

949
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:23,559
read how she was used basically or incarnated through the ritual,

950
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,719
and after she saw that she was, instead of feeling

951
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:31,960
sort of cheated by it, apparently she doubled down on it.

952
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:35,159
And she lived the rest of her life trying to

953
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:39,320
sort of like push this idea of starting this aon

954
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,880
of Horus. And she got married a couple more times,

955
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:46,760
and the people she got married to were like Bizarro,

956
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,880
out there abducted by aliens and doing all kinds of

957
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,440
wild stuff. We can get into that.

958
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: Too, and we should add too that what characterizes the

959
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:01,639
aon of Horus is infantilism, the of the child, uh,

960
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,360
basically rested development, homosexuality. These these are all the the

961
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,280
characteristics of the inversion that Crowley believed he was going

962
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,000
to help usher in through this stuff.

963
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 5: And I and I don't and I think that on

964
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,760
some levels that was accurate. I think that he was

965
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:24,320
successful in changing society into, you know, away from what

966
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,719
it used to be right or wrong or indifferent. I

967
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:31,239
think that on some levels this stuff holds true and

968
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,039
the uh and I've got a good quote here, he's

969
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:37,239
uh Crowley was saying that art was the key to

970
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:42,159
attainment and transmitting one's innermost psychic visions. Well, then Cameron

971
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,239
embraced that in her in her you know, latter half

972
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,719
of her life, and she was an artist, right.

973
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: Art is like the you know, you're putting your will

974
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,079
and intention out into the world, like the magician. And

975
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:57,440
that's why the that's how the reason I was going

976
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,360
into that is that this is how we connect all

977
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,360
this to the our culture in the sixties, like you know,

978
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,639
like Dave mcgallan's book where he talks about all the

979
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:07,559
same stuff from the intelligence side of things with the artists.

980
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:10,639
Here we have the occult side of things, with a

981
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:13,320
lot of these people being connected to the artists of

982
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:18,480
the time, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kenneth Anger again one of

983
01:01:18,519 --> 01:01:20,320
these you know, he's the father of as you pointed

984
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,519
out in the music video avant garde stuff. He's in

985
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:24,800
the circles of these people, right, I mean Marjorie Cameron

986
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,920
is in his short films, right.

987
01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, Marjorie Cameron. So so you know, Parsons

988
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,000
died in fifty two, and after that we had the

989
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:39,320
Beat movement, right, which was you know Alan Ginsberg, which

990
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:44,400
was a nambler guy into little boys, and Jack Kerouac

991
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:48,119
and William Burrows and all these kind of people that

992
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:51,920
were into some unique things, we'll say. And a guy

993
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,239
named Colin Wilson wrote the book The Outsider, which influenced

994
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:01,840
Marjorie Cameron, and he claimed, and I quote, the state

995
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,760
of being an outsider in society was the natural home

996
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:09,760
for any great sensitive artist. And Cameron lived the rest

997
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,840
of her life as an artist. And even in the

998
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:16,960
fifties there she was still trying to hook up with

999
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:22,159
like she was still trying to do make sexual magic

1000
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,360
energy to manifest Parsons baby, like I said. She was

1001
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,159
kind of like thought she was connected into Parsons out

1002
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:31,880
in space having space sex or something. And she would

1003
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,199
even when she would climax, she would scream Abra cadabra

1004
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,480
or abrahadabra, I should say, which was Crowley's you know,

1005
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:40,559
magical formula for.

1006
01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:45,039
Speaker 1: The great work and with the demon too, right.

1007
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,719
Speaker 5: Yeah. She drew an art a painting called Peyote Vision,

1008
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:54,320
which shows her basically getting on with an alien and

1009
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,880
then later in her life she said that that was

1010
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,719
a soular god as what she said it was later on.

1011
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,239
But yeah, she was painting that she was hanging out with.

1012
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,559
Let me see, she was hanging with a bunch of artists,

1013
01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:14,280
Renata druks A, Nia's nin I'm probably mispronouncing those names.

1014
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:19,039
I'm not good with names. Jane Wolf. Jane Wolf was

1015
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:23,039
her handler in the uh. She was an Alistair Curley's

1016
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:26,679
Silver Star, which is uh, you know, you only have

1017
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,039
like sort of one handler above you. It's not like

1018
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:32,320
a big group. It's basically a one on one sort

1019
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,400
of initiation sort of deal.

1020
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 7: That was interesting when you talked about that, because isn't

1021
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,840
that how some spy networks work?

1022
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:45,719
Speaker 5: Is this? Yeah, cells, Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah,

1023
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:51,000
that's how it's It's curious because doctor and Diana Pasuka,

1024
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,639
who I interviewed there for my show and I'm gonna

1025
01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:58,960
drop that episode soon. She she wrote that book American Cosmic,

1026
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,599
and I always tell people to read that book if

1027
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:03,599
you want to know what's going on with the alien agenda,

1028
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:09,039
because she was basically allowed to hang out with these

1029
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:14,760
scientists that I don't want to say believe because they

1030
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,519
don't even look at it as a belief. They say

1031
01:04:17,679 --> 01:04:20,079
that they have materials that are not from this world,

1032
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,920
and they have a site where a UFO crashed and

1033
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:26,360
they go out there and collect parts from these UFOs.

1034
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:31,480
So they don't believe in aliens. They know there's aliens

1035
01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:35,199
to these people, which remain sort of secretive, and and

1036
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:41,920
she asserts that their organization is very similar where nobody

1037
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,880
really knows what the people do inside the group. She

1038
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,440
calls them. She calls the one guy Tyler. That's a

1039
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:52,159
pseudonym like nobody. So like Tyler only focuses on one

1040
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:55,320
element of this, but he doesn't really know everyone else involved.

1041
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,360
The people working around him don't know he's involved. Like

1042
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,639
it's this weird little uh you know, what do you

1043
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,280
call it? When it's like the pyramid structure of a

1044
01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:06,639
you know, David Iyke. He's just the bank example, where

1045
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,679
the teller doesn't really know what the floor manager does,

1046
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,079
the manager doesn't really know what the you know guy

1047
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:14,800
above him does, and Song it's.

1048
01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: It's that sort of idea compartmentalize.

1049
01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, compartmentalized, there you go. But uh yeah, so she

1050
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,639
so she's hanging out with these with these artists and

1051
01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:32,960
the one or not a Drux. She said that she

1052
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,320
had an apparition above her bed and it was an

1053
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,599
alien with a neon colored brain and a spinal column tail.

1054
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:49,000
And Jane Wolf, who was Cameron's I say, handler, that's

1055
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:54,519
not an accurate term mentor in the Silver Star group.

1056
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:58,679
She said that that was because of Marjorie Cameron. Marjorie

1057
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,960
Cameron was messing around with entities in another dimension and

1058
01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:06,119
they kept bleeding through, which is exactly what Jack Parsons did,

1059
01:06:06,199 --> 01:06:09,639
which is why so many people were upset with him

1060
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:13,559
and why the Collins Elite were in there trying to,

1061
01:06:14,599 --> 01:06:17,199
you know, figure out what he was doing and how

1062
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:22,199
to stop it. But anyways, it was through Druks and

1063
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:27,960
a nice nin that Cameron met Kenneth Anger, who you know,

1064
01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:30,679
the audience probably knows. His were always a big, a

1065
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,480
big He's a filmmaker, the godfather of MTV, like as

1066
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:37,559
far as music videos go. He was one of the

1067
01:06:37,639 --> 01:06:41,599
first to depict homosexuality on TV or on movies, I

1068
01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:45,599
should say, and he's tied into all the occult stuff

1069
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,039
Alistair Crowley. I mean, you could do an entire show

1070
01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:52,440
on Kenneth Anger. He might still be alive. I'm not

1071
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:55,039
I'm not sure because he was on Ghost Adventures not

1072
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:55,719
too long ago.

1073
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,519
Speaker 7: Didn't you say she also gave drugs to her daughter.

1074
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, when her daughter Crystal, when she was

1075
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:11,480
nine years old, she gave her LSD. And you know,

1076
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:15,000
curious side note Genesis P. O Ridge, whom I was

1077
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:17,480
in contact with in the last couple of years of

1078
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:25,559
their life. I guess was sort of friends with Crystal

1079
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:33,960
Crystal Cameron. And another curiosity is that Drew Barrymore. You know,

1080
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:37,440
she infamously grew up going to all these parties. You know,

1081
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:41,000
she was getting fed drugs at the age of nine also, and.

1082
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: Her dad was in circles with.

1083
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 5: Some of these Yeah, that's right, that's right. And you

1084
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,679
know he comes up because he would go to these

1085
01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:54,719
payote parties, Cameron and all these other folks, and you

1086
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:59,400
know peyote. It it gets you from Alistair Crowley over

1087
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,639
to Aldus Huxley. Yes, and I know you could speak

1088
01:08:03,719 --> 01:08:07,320
volumes on Oscar Janniger or Janniger if I repronounce it.

1089
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:12,239
He was he was given LSDD, Alvis Huxley and hanging

1090
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:13,079
out with Tim Leary.

1091
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,319
Speaker 1: Well, you know, have you read Bali at all because

1092
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,880
he's another guy who used to be in the deep state,

1093
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:22,840
was into Rosicrucianism, and then he came out saying that

1094
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,479
the alien stuff is what Christian's called demons. He's another

1095
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:28,920
testament to that theory.

1096
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,319
Speaker 5: About doctor Jacques Vallet.

1097
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1098
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1099
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:35,560
Speaker 5: And then also I haven't read all of his works.

1100
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,199
I read some of them. I read Messengers of Deception,

1101
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,760
and he talks about how UFOs are a control system, which, uh,

1102
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,840
you know, like I said, like, it's hard to it's

1103
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,359
hard to convey because my whole thing is with the

1104
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:57,159
alien stuff is I think Father Saraphim Rose was one

1105
01:08:57,239 --> 01:08:59,239
hundred percent right. I mean, the dude wrote that book

1106
01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:02,079
clear back in the sixties, right, the sixties or seventies

1107
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:05,960
or seventies, yea. And you know he's saying all the

1108
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,600
stuff that I had sort of you know, confirmed on

1109
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,479
my own analysis before I had read his book, and

1110
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,880
I think I think they're on the money. And the

1111
01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:18,800
problem today is, you know, I talked to people that

1112
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,920
aren't in the truth or community about this kind of stuff,

1113
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,479
and there's a lot of there's a lot of kickback

1114
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,199
on this idea, and they've done a really good job

1115
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:33,359
through ancient Aliens and all these other shows to really

1116
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:37,399
plant this seed that well, maybe aliens came here and

1117
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,079
seeded mankind and maybe pants for me is real and

1118
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:43,560
maybe we should kind of give this a shot. Like

1119
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,479
they've done a really good job of that, and you know,

1120
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,920
there's all these reasons to support why that worked.

1121
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:51,159
Speaker 1: But well, I would add too that again, a lot

1122
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:53,640
of the same people in the same circles, having the

1123
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,279
same experiences. I mean Huxley, I forget which book you mentioned,

1124
01:09:57,319 --> 01:09:59,640
but I think I had read him. I think it's

1125
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:03,760
in Gaza. He speaks of LSD like it's a way

1126
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,359
to that interacts with what he says Christians called demons.

1127
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,600
And you were talking about something, was the Doors of

1128
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,920
Perception or one of the other books where you mentioned him,

1129
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,000
and I think talking about demons was it.

1130
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,319
Speaker 5: I don't remember him specifically talking about demons.

1131
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: But maybe it was just Doors of Perception talking about

1132
01:10:21,119 --> 01:10:23,920
the LSD opening your up to other spiritual realms.

1133
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because drug seems to be you know, and

1134
01:10:27,159 --> 01:10:30,119
if you go into all this ritualistic stuff, if you

1135
01:10:30,199 --> 01:10:33,039
go into the ideas that and and if you read

1136
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,039
Lords of the Left Hand Path, which is another great book.

1137
01:10:36,079 --> 01:10:39,319
I always recommend he goes to every single one of

1138
01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:42,479
these occult groups. He's left hand path groups.

1139
01:10:43,079 --> 01:10:46,079
Speaker 1: And it's not the Stephen Flowers book, right, uh huh.

1140
01:10:47,279 --> 01:10:51,239
Speaker 5: Super informative, and and he goes heavy on this idea

1141
01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:54,920
of apolloni and dy nicy and ritual and how you

1142
01:10:55,079 --> 01:10:59,319
need to prep the mind to make contact with the divine.

1143
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,399
They called the divine, you know, because they can't really

1144
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,199
call it God because they you know, it's more of

1145
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:10,000
a sort of cosmic consciousness to them. But you have

1146
01:11:10,119 --> 01:11:13,640
to prep the mind. And there's two ways of doing that.

1147
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:18,760
You can either overload it or purify it. Basically, that's

1148
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,560
the short version of it. And and drugs is one

1149
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:25,920
way of overloading it, you know, drugs, drumming, dancing, all

1150
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,000
this stuff, all this stuff they warned you about and footloose,

1151
01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:30,439
you know, they're trying to tell you the truth and

1152
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:32,319
or or.

1153
01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:35,119
Speaker 7: By trauma, sensory deprivation, starvation.

1154
01:11:36,079 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think it wasn't wasn't doctor John Lilly

1155
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,680
and all that sensory deprivation and float tanks and all

1156
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,600
that wild stuff. Absolutely, yeah, and all and all this

1157
01:11:46,119 --> 01:11:49,960
And it's funny because, like you know, I'm the first

1158
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:53,720
one to say that, like Christians come off generally a

1159
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,439
little nutty sometimes even though I am a Christian, and uh,

1160
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:00,640
for years I thought they were, you know, being real

1161
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,239
satanic panicky about things. But I think there were one

1162
01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:06,199
hundred percent right. You know this, we had this weird,

1163
01:12:07,319 --> 01:12:09,960
this weird way of you know, I call it sort

1164
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,600
of letting the vampires in the front door of And

1165
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,880
I'm not I mean, I'm not I'm not saying we

1166
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:21,199
should go picket yoga studios, but like yoga and drugs

1167
01:12:21,319 --> 01:12:23,960
and all these different things that used to be really taboo,

1168
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,960
we've sort of let that into society. And I'm not

1169
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,680
saying that this ain't wrong with it. I just I'm

1170
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:33,159
more of the camp of let's at least understand where

1171
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:36,079
this came from. Like I'm not saying you shouldn't do yoga,

1172
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,159
like you know that it has its benefits, don't get

1173
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:43,079
me wrong, but like, at least be aware that you know,

1174
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:45,960
this comes from the idea to yo to unionize with

1175
01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:48,680
a higher deed. That's what all these left hand path

1176
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,720
tantric folks were doing. That's where it came from. That's

1177
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,439
whey Alista Crowley's got a whole book.

1178
01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:55,199
Speaker 1: On it, you know, and joined my only fans to

1179
01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:59,359
see me in my yogurt pants. I got a question

1180
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:01,760
about Hope. That was a weird one that came up

1181
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,800
because you mentioned that Marjorie sent some of her witch

1182
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,720
buddies to go hang out with Bob Hope, and that

1183
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,600
reminded me of the fact that in Walter Bowart's book

1184
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,760
he covers Donald Bain and Candy Jones, and I think

1185
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,399
Candy Jones went on when she was first put into

1186
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,199
the mind control stuff. She claims that she went on

1187
01:13:19,279 --> 01:13:21,840
the USO tour with Bob Hope. And doesn't Kathy O'Brien

1188
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,520
say something about Bob Hope too, I think do you

1189
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,479
remember anyway, was there did anything come.

1190
01:13:29,359 --> 01:13:32,319
Speaker 5: Of that or was she just no, It was just

1191
01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:35,039
they were hanging out in that sort of southern California,

1192
01:13:35,239 --> 01:13:38,880
La scene in the fifties and sixties, and you know,

1193
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,920
and you hear lots of weird stories about this, like

1194
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,520
if you read up on Manson stuff, like you know,

1195
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,239
he they called him the Mendocino Witches and they would

1196
01:13:46,279 --> 01:13:49,479
go show up at people's houses and stuff. And yeah,

1197
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,079
Cameron had some some some of her ladies go over

1198
01:13:52,119 --> 01:13:55,039
to Bob Hope's house and he was sort of spilling

1199
01:13:55,039 --> 01:13:56,479
the beans on how he had seen a bunch of

1200
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:57,239
UFOs too.

1201
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,239
Speaker 1: That's right, it was about him seeing ufo.

1202
01:13:59,279 --> 01:14:03,119
Speaker 5: It was interesting. Yeah, yeah, and there and there's a

1203
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:06,720
whole bunch of stuff on in the book. It talks

1204
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:12,119
about it confirms that she did. You know, obviously she

1205
01:14:12,399 --> 01:14:15,520
was a follower of Crowley on some levels, and she

1206
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,000
was partaking of the cakes of Light stuff, which you know,

1207
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:21,159
it fits you into the adream of chrome talk and

1208
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:24,159
the spirit cooking talk. And you know, the cakes of

1209
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:27,359
light are sort of like representative of the Pentagram. It's

1210
01:14:27,399 --> 01:14:31,439
the five elements in various forms. And it says in

1211
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,159
the book that she took and they call for blood

1212
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,079
depending on how you look at it. He Crawley talked

1213
01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:39,600
about in the Book of the Law, and he talked

1214
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,560
about the magic theory and practice and even talks about

1215
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,920
being like the blood of a newborn's the best. But anyway, uh,

1216
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,600
she took she she took some menstrual blood in hers

1217
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,000
But I find it curious.

1218
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: Well that comes out of the Crowley's Gnostic Catholic Church,

1219
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,119
and he intended that to be a halfway house to

1220
01:15:00,199 --> 01:15:04,119
get people from Christianity halfway into his stuff, because he

1221
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:07,239
didn't think people could jump right from Christianity to full

1222
01:15:07,319 --> 01:15:11,520
on Palma. So he kind of had some ideas about

1223
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:16,119
how to ease people in with a version of Catholicism.

1224
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:19,640
That's the Nostochelic church that has a sacrament like the Eucharist,

1225
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:20,920
but it's case of light.

1226
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 5: That's actually a pretty smart strategy. That's an interesting idea

1227
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,199
because you know, that's how like the Christian Church got started.

1228
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:31,680
It incorporated some of the pagan stuff at least to

1229
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:34,159
you know, keep the holidays around the same time maybe,

1230
01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:37,960
or stuff like that. From what I've read, because there

1231
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,079
was such a heavy pagan influence back then, they didn't

1232
01:15:40,079 --> 01:15:42,920
want to, I don't know, quit cold turkey. I guess,

1233
01:15:43,319 --> 01:15:44,720
I don't know. That's just what i've read.

1234
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 7: Well, Well, speaking of aliens, you mentioned that she's one

1235
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,479
of the first ones to talk about DNA is galactic.

1236
01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 5: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, actually yeah, that's and that's

1237
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,000
that's Marina Abramovic. She was the one talking about it.

1238
01:16:05,039 --> 01:16:08,119
There's a documentary called The Space in Between, and that's

1239
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:11,960
I think it's right now available on Amazon. Prime. I

1240
01:16:12,039 --> 01:16:13,800
had to pay for it when I bought it, and

1241
01:16:14,199 --> 01:16:16,920
I don't recommend buying it's not that good. But she

1242
01:16:17,279 --> 01:16:19,199
in it. She says she's not from this world, you know.

1243
01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:22,279
She says she's got galactic DNA. And that's something they've

1244
01:16:22,319 --> 01:16:26,840
been pushing through the artists. And again, like you hit

1245
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,359
people from every angle with little tiny chunks of this

1246
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,479
sort of agenda, and I think people accept it. And

1247
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,960
and you know, I hate to sound so fringy. I've

1248
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,880
never sounded so fringy in my whole life, but I

1249
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:47,159
do think that they are going to push an alien spirituality.

1250
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,399
It's very clear to me that that's where we're headed.

1251
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,800
I don't see. I can't be talked out of that. Like,

1252
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,560
I'm very certain that that's where we're headed. I don't

1253
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,600
know if it's going to happen in five years, ten years,

1254
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,920
I would say maximum ten years. We're going to be

1255
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,800
introduced to some kind of alien spirituality for sure.

1256
01:17:07,119 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. What was the connection to Dean Stockwell?

1257
01:17:13,359 --> 01:17:17,239
Speaker 5: Stockwell? Yeah? And Dean Stockwell is curious because he was

1258
01:17:17,319 --> 01:17:22,119
in he was let's see, he okay, So he introduced

1259
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:26,600
Marjorie Cameron to Dennis Hopper and Dennis Hopper he knew

1260
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,239
her and said, well, some aspect of how all of

1261
01:17:29,319 --> 01:17:31,319
the men that she hooked up with go insane.

1262
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: Have you seen Wild at Heart? I mean a Blue Velvet.

1263
01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 5: A lot when I was a kid, I saw.

1264
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Dean Stockwell introduces people to Dennis Hopper in

1265
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,520
the movie, that's what his character does.

1266
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh that's interesting. Yeah, I gotta Readwill that's a

1267
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:50,079
David Lynch.

1268
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: Movie, right, Yeah, and Lynch or McGowan says that Stockwell

1269
01:17:54,039 --> 01:17:56,279
was in Oto Circles is why he was doing that?

1270
01:17:58,159 --> 01:17:58,319
Speaker 5: Oh?

1271
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, I want to legister in the.

1272
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:06,119
Speaker 5: Book Well Stockwell he said, I got a quote here

1273
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,760
he said, my life's had a great deal of alchemy

1274
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,880
and magic. But I frowned upon mister Crowley, a big,

1275
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,520
dark frown. I think he was full of shit. And

1276
01:18:15,159 --> 01:18:18,560
Dean Stockwell, if you recall, was in the the HP

1277
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,880
Lovecraft movie that they're going to remake back in the

1278
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:26,840
Dunwich Horror. It was like back in the sixties or seventies. Uh,

1279
01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:29,319
it's it's kind of harder to find. I found it

1280
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,159
on Amazon Prime. I think that's where I bought it. Yeah,

1281
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,600
but yeah, Dean Stockwell is in there. He plays the

1282
01:18:35,279 --> 01:18:38,640
guy who the names escape me now, but he plays

1283
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:42,880
the guy who is trying to basically have aliens have

1284
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,920
sex with his girlfriend on a stone authar in the

1285
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,479
backyard there. Oh wow, And they're going to remake that movie.

1286
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,920
It's actually it's actually a decent movie. But you know

1287
01:18:53,079 --> 01:18:56,520
Nick Cage, your boy Nick Cage was in the the

1288
01:18:57,359 --> 01:18:59,319
The Color what's it called, The Color out of Space

1289
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:04,039
recently and that's the first remake of an HP love Crab,

1290
01:19:04,039 --> 01:19:05,279
and they're gonna be the second one is going to

1291
01:19:05,319 --> 01:19:07,720
be the done which her Richard Stanley is going to

1292
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:08,600
do that one as well.

1293
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:13,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, speaking of sex with aliens, I came across the

1294
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,439
silly YouTube video and I can't remember what it's called

1295
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,720
or who made it, but it was this young black

1296
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,439
rapper girl who was friends with Grimes. Maybe you guys

1297
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,800
can find it if I give you enough details. But

1298
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:29,840
she went out to California to make some music with Grimes,

1299
01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:33,000
and she came back and she said, Elon Musk and

1300
01:19:33,119 --> 01:19:37,640
them are aliens. I mean, she doesn't know all of this,

1301
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,760
she just knows what she saw, but she's convinced that

1302
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:45,119
Grimes and Elon are aliens, and they are a she got.

1303
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:47,560
Speaker 1: Some kind of implant put into her eyes or something weird.

1304
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,000
So they're trying to already modify their bodies, right, But she.

1305
01:19:51,239 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 7: She doesn't even know what she's looking at through the

1306
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,600
lens of whatever. But she's convinced that Elon Musk is

1307
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:57,039
an alien.

1308
01:19:57,319 --> 01:19:59,359
Speaker 5: Ah, I'm gonna have to look that up. Yeah, if

1309
01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:02,039
anyone well finds, I'm curious to hear about that, because

1310
01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:03,680
I'm interested in Elon Musk.

1311
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:04,159
Speaker 1: He's got that.

1312
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,560
Speaker 5: Neuralink brain transhumanist thing that you know, he's gonna hook

1313
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,800
us all up to the internet with, and uh, you know,

1314
01:20:11,039 --> 01:20:13,399
and he's got he's got like six kids. The one

1315
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,640
kid's name is Damian outside of Grimes, he's got a

1316
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:17,439
bunch of other kids.

1317
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,319
Speaker 7: And the one he has with Grimes is named like

1318
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,279
x E five some letters.

1319
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 5: It's like archangel ash or something weird.

1320
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:31,039
Speaker 1: Weird dude. Hey, this also once again gets to I

1321
01:20:31,039 --> 01:20:33,640
always love bringing things back to counterculture because of course,

1322
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:37,239
as you know, Leary, the one of the gurus of

1323
01:20:37,239 --> 01:20:40,399
the of the counterculture, says he was the continuation of

1324
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:48,079
the work of Crowley, And uh, how could you can

1325
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:52,479
you tell us how all the Cameron circles tie into

1326
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,000
beach boys and manson.

1327
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me see, that's a that's a tough one.

1328
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,039
So let me say, let me dig through my notes.

1329
01:21:02,039 --> 01:21:07,960
I know beach boys gets connected in because she was

1330
01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:12,920
married to Okay, so so let's talk about her husband's here. Okay,

1331
01:21:13,119 --> 01:21:17,359
So the one husband she had, her second husband, his

1332
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:21,159
name was Sherry Kimmel. Sheridan went by Sherry and he

1333
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,880
he lived in Palm Springs, and he said he had

1334
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,600
he said he wrote on a spacecraft. He was having

1335
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:32,079
sex with the aliens, and he was writing stories of

1336
01:21:32,199 --> 01:21:36,439
alien women with doing porn stuff. He was doing a

1337
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:40,920
lot of peyote with the local Indians, and he had

1338
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:45,399
a demonic, schizophrenic alter ego that he called ball b

1339
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:50,520
aa L. He also channeled Horis, who did automatic writing.

1340
01:21:51,279 --> 01:21:56,399
He was into all the things right. Then after she

1341
01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:01,600
moved on from him, she hooked up with the artist

1342
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:06,239
Bert Schoenberg. This is another guy obsessed with UFOs and

1343
01:22:07,159 --> 01:22:12,720
extraterrestrial forces. And he started ritualistically burning his art to

1344
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,319
prove how woke he was out unattached to his arty was,

1345
01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:19,279
which is the same thing we saw Banks he do

1346
01:22:19,399 --> 01:22:22,880
two years ago. He had that painting he sold for

1347
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,119
I don't know how much, a million bucks or something crazy,

1348
01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:30,279
and then it self destructed itself on the wall. But anyways,

1349
01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:34,119
he he described Bert Schoenberg. He was described as a

1350
01:22:34,359 --> 01:22:39,399
walking mystical experience, and he was known sort of like

1351
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,039
the fire starter. He would break fires out at different places,

1352
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,119
and he was he was said to be a magnet

1353
01:22:47,239 --> 01:22:50,840
of some kind of you know, force from another dimension,

1354
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,159
whatever you want to call this. And that's and that's

1355
01:22:54,359 --> 01:22:57,880
kind of what the Beach Boys were messing around with.

1356
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:04,399
They had a studio that caught on fire. They had

1357
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,319
a song in nineteen sixty seven. Let's see, let me

1358
01:23:08,359 --> 01:23:12,880
get them my notes here. Brian Wilson he had a

1359
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:20,199
trip on LSD and they he had this. When they

1360
01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:22,640
did the song in the studio, it burned down in

1361
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,159
the ground. So he destroyed all the master copies because

1362
01:23:26,199 --> 01:23:30,520
they thought that the witchcraft they were messing with became

1363
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:36,119
a sort of pyrokinetic source. And you know, his brother

1364
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:41,479
Dennis Wilson infamously was messing around with Manson, and you know,

1365
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,000
Manson got to him through a couple of his ladies

1366
01:23:44,079 --> 01:23:47,119
he sent out his way and then Manson moved in

1367
01:23:47,319 --> 01:23:51,479
with Dennis Wilson and was hanging out until Dennis Wilson

1368
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,680
finally decided to kick him out, and then he got

1369
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,039
some death threats and a bullet handed to him and

1370
01:23:57,119 --> 01:24:01,159
all this stuff, you know. And Carls Manson himself, he

1371
01:24:01,239 --> 01:24:03,560
said he always said he wasn't a hippie. He said

1372
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,840
he was he was a beatnik, you know. And uh,

1373
01:24:07,359 --> 01:24:09,960
it's funny because the hippies sort of get the bad rap,

1374
01:24:10,039 --> 01:24:14,399
but it's the Beatnicks that really kicked all this stuff off,

1375
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:18,520
with the early experimental stuff, with the the drugs and

1376
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:27,640
all this Crowley kind of stuff. Yeah, there was Oh,

1377
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:32,239
I had a good quote here about you know, Bob Dylan.

1378
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:39,199
There was a guy who was you know what's funny

1379
01:24:39,279 --> 01:24:40,760
is I just why I just found out the other

1380
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,920
day that Bob Dylan was the guy that came up

1381
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,199
with that idea of having you know how you know,

1382
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,479
I'm an eighties maybe I saw the Nxcess video Michael

1383
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,760
Hutcherson's taking all the big giant cards and he's got

1384
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:56,680
the words on it, and he kind of like, yeah, exactly,

1385
01:24:57,239 --> 01:25:00,640
and that that came previous to that in the eight

1386
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,479
in the early eighties, there was a one hit wonder

1387
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,720
band that did it. But previous to them, Bob Dylan

1388
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,199
did it back in you know, the sixties or something,

1389
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,079
so he was like the first one to do that.

1390
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:15,079
I thought Michael Hodginson came up with that, but it turns.

1391
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:21,119
Speaker 8: Out not Boommuda Bahama Oo, come on pretty mama key

1392
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:26,239
Largo montgo baby, we go down to where the boomers go.

1393
01:25:27,279 --> 01:25:32,159
Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, that's boom right there would get into the

1394
01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:33,039
beach boys.

1395
01:25:33,159 --> 01:25:36,119
Speaker 7: People only give sewer chest when you've seen I think

1396
01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:37,359
you should switch.

1397
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Speaker 5: Careers and maybe we should do a little solo.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, but Bob Dylan, Okay, so here I found

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I found the information. So it wasn't a quote. It

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01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:52,359
was my bad. So the idea here about Marjorie Cameron. Uh.

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They in the book it talks about how Bob Dylan

1403
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,479
and Jack Kerouak were documenting they were the messengers of

1404
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,720
the beat Nick movement. But they weren't. They weren't about

1405
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:05,079
that life. Rogerie Cameron was. She was really living that life.

1406
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,079
And they were really pushing the boundaries. I mean, this

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is this was they were. They were setting it up

1408
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:15,159
for the hippies. The hippies weren't really like coming up

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01:26:15,199 --> 01:26:18,159
with anything new. They were just taking what was already done. Yeah,

1410
01:26:18,319 --> 01:26:22,520
all the sort of fringy ideas of drug use and

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01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,039
you know, you know, breaking from you know, the Antinomians.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the BEATNICKX. We did a good show a few

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01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,720
years ago with my buddy John On. I did two

1414
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,720
shows on the occult and esoteric roots of punk music.

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I don't I'm not a punk fan, but they had

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01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,359
a lot of info on that, and they talked about

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01:26:39,399 --> 01:26:42,399
how Burrows had kind of Williams. Burrows was the key

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01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,520
guy in this too, and he he was influential with

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Beatnicks and birthing both hippies and punks, which is interesting.

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Speaker 5: Oh that is it? Yeah, and and Burrows Genesis p

1421
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,239
Oridge was hanging out with Burrows, and uh, you know,

1422
01:26:57,399 --> 01:27:00,279
Genesis Porridge was the godfather of in dust for real

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01:27:00,399 --> 01:27:02,880
rock that you know before long before nine inch Nails.

1424
01:27:03,399 --> 01:27:06,680
In fact that you can listen to. Throbbing Gristle was

1425
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,239
the name of the band if you listen to their

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01:27:09,239 --> 01:27:11,560
stuff from I believe it was the late sixties or

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01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:15,319
early seventies, and if you put yourself in that time,

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01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,600
frame of the other music out then it really was

1429
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,560
like revolutionary. I mean, you hear you hear the music

1430
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,840
and you're like, man, this is way different than anything

1431
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:29,520
they were doing back then. And then of course, you know,

1432
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:34,319
Jenesis started the Psychic TV band, which became the Temple

1433
01:27:34,359 --> 01:27:36,920
of Psychic Youth movement, and they had all these magical

1434
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,680
sigil centers all around the world, and you know, they

1435
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,960
were doing the same thing we constantly talk about and

1436
01:27:42,199 --> 01:27:46,720
trying to sort of manifest through ritual magic, different ideas

1437
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:47,159
and such.

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Speaker 7: Well, you mentioned Kenneth Anger was kind of the godfather

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01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:52,920
of MTV by way of he was one of the

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01:27:53,039 --> 01:27:58,279
first people to put music on video, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah.

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01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 5: We didn't inish our thoughts on Kenneth Anger here. That's

1443
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,199
kind of a long subject, but.

1444
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 1: We should do a separate show just on Kenneth I'm

1445
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:08,720
not trying to cut you off, but I mean, he's

1446
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,520
he's a huge character in all this. And if nobody

1447
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,720
has seen the documentary Hollywood Babylon the book, I don't.

1448
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,479
I don't think the book's that great, but definitely everyone

1449
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:20,840
should watch the documentary. You can watch it on YouTube

1450
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:22,800
Hollywood Babylon. It's very Revelatory.

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01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 5: Is that a Kinneth Anger documentary? Yeah, because I've got

1452
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:28,479
the book. I've got his book, and I agree with you.

1453
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,119
It's a pretty boring book.

1454
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: No, there's like a documentary that in the eighties, seventies

1455
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,439
or eighties if somebody made about Kenneth Anger called Hollywood

1456
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,359
Babylon It's it's really good. I'll try to put in

1457
01:28:38,399 --> 01:28:38,880
the chat here.

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01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 5: Oh interesting, it's.

1459
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 7: More like a gossip column of like old Hollywood.

1460
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 1: That's not right, but that's not what the documentary is.

1461
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,960
The documentary is about like a cult Hollywood.

1462
01:28:48,079 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh nice, Yeah, I agree. The book is is

1463
01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:54,399
it reads like a National inquirer from the nineteen twenties

1464
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,239
and who's fatty arbox?

1465
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 7: He just going to say, who cares about?

1466
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 5: That's only aim I remember in the book. It was

1467
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,960
a real force to get through it. But yeah, Kenneth Anger,

1468
01:29:06,039 --> 01:29:09,239
he introduced Marjorie Cameron to you know, he was buddiess

1469
01:29:09,319 --> 01:29:14,399
Bobby Bosele, who was the infamous uh killer of Gary

1470
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:19,199
Hinman through Charles Manson. And he also introduced Cameron to

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01:29:19,319 --> 01:29:22,560
Anton Levy because Anton LeVay was running in these same

1472
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:27,199
circles with Marjorie Cameron in fact called the Curtis Harrington

1473
01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:30,640
film Night Tide one of the all time great satanic films.

1474
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:34,560
I don't really understand why I have. I didn't. I

1475
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,520
didn't find it to be particularly satanic or anything. I

1476
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,479
saw a couple of weird symbols, like they have the

1477
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,159
seven seven seven number on the on the wall by

1478
01:29:44,399 --> 01:29:46,960
the one guy, And you know, Curtis Harrington said he did,

1479
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,439
in fact plant symbolism in his movies. But yeah, I don't.

1480
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:53,319
I don't know why that's cited as one.

1481
01:29:53,239 --> 01:29:56,319
Speaker 1: Of them, but it is. I think that's that. It

1482
01:29:56,399 --> 01:29:58,319
might be the bb I think it's that BBC one

1483
01:29:58,359 --> 01:30:01,640
that I put there U, but I may I'm not

1484
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:05,840
Hunderson positive. That's I thought the documentary with is older.

1485
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:14,199
But anyway, so Marjorie ends up leaving Parsons for Hubbard, right,

1486
01:30:14,279 --> 01:30:16,560
So now we can tie this all into the Scientology realm,

1487
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:20,479
because the Croley realm goes directly to Scientology realm. Hubbard

1488
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:24,319
was a fan of Croley for a long time. Can

1489
01:30:24,399 --> 01:30:25,000
you speak to that?

1490
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me, uh, let me see. So are you

1491
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,319
are you going back to when Parsons was still alive?

1492
01:30:32,119 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. My notes might be out of order.

1493
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:39,520
Speaker 5: But yeah, so so Marjorie Cameron. She at first didn't

1494
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:44,920
like Elron Hubbard, as also Aleister Crowley didn't like Hubbard either,

1495
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:50,600
but apparently Hubbard wrote who wrote Dinetics, of course had

1496
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:56,720
based and the reason Crowley and Cameron didn't like el

1497
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,920
Ron Hubbard was because they thought that he had stole

1498
01:31:00,079 --> 01:31:03,399
and a lot of the ideas from Parsons and from Crowley.

1499
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:08,760
Uh so they had beef. But then in Cameron's sort

1500
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:14,600
of final days, she changed her tune on el Ron Hubbard,

1501
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,880
and I guess embraced him. I don't know to some

1502
01:31:17,079 --> 01:31:20,319
levels she changed her mind on that. But Kenneth Anger

1503
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,840
the whole time disliked him, called him an elemental demon.

1504
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,239
But yeah, l Ron Hubbard, there's a lot of weird.

1505
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:32,039
Uh you know, Jack Parsons called him a natural felamite

1506
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:37,800
and uh he of course, you know, worked as this.

1507
01:31:38,279 --> 01:31:42,119
He was this, he was the the the seer, he

1508
01:31:42,279 --> 01:31:44,600
was the Edward Kelly to Jack Parsons, of course.

1509
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: And this consists into the Tom Kohme real because we

1510
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,359
we covered Tom kOhm last night. That's why I was

1511
01:31:53,399 --> 01:31:55,680
wanted to bring in Hubbard, was to tie it all together.

1512
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:57,880
The weird cults and Hollywood stuff.

1513
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm to be honest, I'm I'm not real smart

1514
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:05,359
on l Ron Hubbard and scientology. I know that's got

1515
01:32:05,399 --> 01:32:09,279
the initiation stuff. I know a lot of a lot

1516
01:32:09,359 --> 01:32:13,159
of people's a lot of people's names that pop up

1517
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:17,640
with all this research. They seem to have some connection

1518
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:21,840
to scientology, like is Ingle Swann or how put Off?

1519
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:25,239
I guess how put Off from SRI I. He was

1520
01:32:25,359 --> 01:32:30,880
a supposedly a level seven operating Thetan. Charles Manson Man

1521
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,760
also used to be operating Thetan through his contacts at

1522
01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:38,239
McNeil prison, supposedly learned it.

1523
01:32:39,359 --> 01:32:44,399
Speaker 1: That's in the Leavenda trilogy about Manson being a full on, clear,

1524
01:32:45,399 --> 01:32:49,520
clear level You cool with taking us the super chat sir?

1525
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 5: Yeah? What does that mean?

1526
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,239
Speaker 1: Where people ask the questions and they yeah, let's do

1527
01:32:57,159 --> 01:33:00,399
That's how we pay the bills. She's got one more.

1528
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 7: Here are the aliens here to help feminism?

1529
01:33:03,079 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 5: Who said that, no, they're not here to destroy men?

1530
01:33:08,039 --> 01:33:12,239
Speaker 9: And when Marjorie thought they were, yeah, oh yeah, she did,

1531
01:33:12,359 --> 01:33:15,439
huh yeah she she took up a real real high

1532
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:19,840
calling of feminism Towards the end there, let me dig,

1533
01:33:20,119 --> 01:33:22,439
like I said, I've got so many notes on this thing.

1534
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 1: She had a unique take on aliens, that they were

1535
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:29,039
here to bring about the rise of the feminine something.

1536
01:33:29,279 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're they're uh, let's see here. I cited a

1537
01:33:32,119 --> 01:33:36,359
nineteen sixteen book. I guess she was reading, Women, Women

1538
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:41,159
and Superwoman about feminism viewed from the hermetic standpoint, which

1539
01:33:41,279 --> 01:33:44,720
charted the evolutions of AONs where masculine and feminine took

1540
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,960
turns with dominant principles in accordance with the cycles of

1541
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:51,720
the zodiac, which ties us into that, you know, the

1542
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:56,319
idea of like the age of Pisces a of Horrus,

1543
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:59,079
because it went a on of isis of horror? Or

1544
01:34:00,079 --> 01:34:03,640
isis animal cyrus? Sorry, it's been a long day, you know.

1545
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:07,159
It's the idea of the matriarchy going to the patriarchy

1546
01:34:07,239 --> 01:34:10,600
and now it's the next level, which is going above

1547
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:15,720
all of mankind. But she, yeah, she she was definitely

1548
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,399
she you know, through her knowledge of sex, magic and

1549
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:26,640
ritual she understood that she she believed that the woman's

1550
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:32,520
place was one of great power through through sex, which

1551
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,640
you know, intuitively, like that makes a lot of sense.

1552
01:34:37,279 --> 01:34:42,199
And she she thought and much like this attitude of

1553
01:34:42,279 --> 01:34:45,000
a lot of these occultists like Crowley, They and even

1554
01:34:45,039 --> 01:34:50,439
Anton Levey, they have very very strong opinions about how

1555
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,119
people should use their power as much as possible and

1556
01:34:55,279 --> 01:35:00,800
not not sort of play nice about things. So, you know,

1557
01:35:01,119 --> 01:35:04,199
and and and what became of that, I don't know

1558
01:35:04,319 --> 01:35:07,800
in her last days, uh, you know, she she lived

1559
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:11,079
to a pretty old age there, but that was kind

1560
01:35:11,079 --> 01:35:13,840
of where things ended for her. She she had transitioned

1561
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:18,079
over to art because again art sort of ties into

1562
01:35:18,119 --> 01:35:21,520
this idea of making contact with the mob zone or

1563
01:35:22,199 --> 01:35:24,680
making you know, making getting in touch with the creative

1564
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:25,800
side on some levels.

1565
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

1566
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 5: And then you know, she focused more on feminism, So

1567
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:31,880
I don't know if maybe she became disenfranchised on some

1568
01:35:32,119 --> 01:35:35,319
levels with the occult and she sort of you know,

1569
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,359
I don't know, it's hard to say what she was thinking.

1570
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,439
But that's where where it ended up going for her.

1571
01:35:42,119 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: Well, we got almost we hit almost five hundred live tonight,

1572
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,920
so that was a great show and we got home

1573
01:35:49,079 --> 01:35:52,359
homemade et error. I'm not going to read his correct

1574
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:56,279
name because of where we are, but he says Granola

1575
01:35:56,399 --> 01:35:59,680
woke half or laugh laugh, So he's laughing at Granola woke.

1576
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,560
Speaker 5: He thinks all right, that's yeah, that's uh, that's the term.

1577
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:07,119
That's what. In fact, I renamed my Patreon tiars with

1578
01:36:07,279 --> 01:36:07,720
that theme.

1579
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: That's funny Adrian for twenty hours. By the way, if

1580
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:13,840
you guys want to follow Isaac, I put his information

1581
01:36:14,039 --> 01:36:17,199
in throughout the chat. I'll put it in here again.

1582
01:36:17,279 --> 01:36:18,920
You can definitely follow him and it'll be in the

1583
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,760
show description, and you can support his work on Patreon.

1584
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,560
You can get his books over at the Amazon if

1585
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:26,880
you get his I'm assuming the website has the links

1586
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,760
to the Amazon purchase for your books.

1587
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 5: Uh so, yeah, it's you know, it's I got to

1588
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,960
redo my website. It's something I've neglected for a long time.

1589
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,439
I've got all my books are on Amazon, I've got

1590
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,039
them all on audible, self narrated almost all of them.

1591
01:36:42,359 --> 01:36:45,640
And then I do sign paperbacks through gum Road g

1592
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:50,000
u M like Bubblegum, Gumroad dot com, backslash Isaac w

1593
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:52,720
that's where you can get signed paperbacks. I just got

1594
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,680
a new shipment in so I'm I'm restocked. They've been

1595
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,880
flying off the shelves lately because I do cool little

1596
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:00,680
cartoons for people on the pack. I think that's the

1597
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,359
sales pitch. You know, they get a little drawled Old

1598
01:37:03,359 --> 01:37:05,720
Alie to Crowley for him, or a little Jack Parsons.

1599
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,039
You know, just a good time for everyone.

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01:37:08,319 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 1: Adrian twenty dollars. He says, thank you for your work

1601
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:14,399
and introducing me to Orthodoxy. I have my wife and

1602
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,479
two daughters, and I were accepting into the Orthodox Church

1603
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:19,279
two weeks ago. Awesome, Adrian, God bless you many years.

1604
01:37:19,359 --> 01:37:20,960
We hear that a lot. We're glad to hear that.

1605
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,880
Glide for ten bucks says, hey, guys, thank you for

1606
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:25,520
the stream. I hope you're all doing well. Thank you,

1607
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,039
Glide much appreciated. Adrian Sky's twenty bucks. By the way,

1608
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:31,159
I met you guys at the boiler Room meet up

1609
01:37:31,399 --> 01:37:33,640
and the Minds of Men showing it at the Almo

1610
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:35,640
draft House. Oh yeah, that was awesome. We got to

1611
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:39,000
meet up with Aaron and Melissa and everybody and see

1612
01:37:39,039 --> 01:37:41,199
their premiere at the Almo Drafts House in Austin. That

1613
01:37:41,319 --> 01:37:43,680
was cool to meet. I was a goofy white guy

1614
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:48,199
who sat next to you at the Saltgres Steakhouse. I remember,

1615
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:50,439
that's okay, It's okay to be a good you wiggain

1616
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,439
need to do another meetup in Austin soon. Yeah, if

1617
01:37:54,520 --> 01:38:00,359
we ever get rid of the cool FID, we will

1618
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,279
family plan for five bucks. I have to watch this

1619
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,960
on the replay, but I want to slide in and

1620
01:38:07,079 --> 01:38:12,000
give them three dollars signs. They're much appreciated and welcomed here.

1621
01:38:12,319 --> 01:38:15,079
Thank you for those dollar signs. He says, keep it up, Jay,

1622
01:38:15,159 --> 01:38:17,680
will you keep it up to family plan and plan.

1623
01:38:18,359 --> 01:38:20,439
If you keep it up, you will definitely have a

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plan to have a family. Get it DC customs. Ten bucks,

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01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,960
he says, excellent live stream tonight. Here's a little ten

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01:38:28,079 --> 01:38:31,600
bucks and hopefully simple Jack and all the sweet slow

1627
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:34,439
boys will be happy tonight. They will be we got

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01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:38,399
our favorite sweet slow boy on the strength of night.

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You boy, Jeff Ay aka job aka Illuminati watching, I'm

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01:38:44,279 --> 01:38:47,319
just showing cool show since ten bucks, he says, thank

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01:38:47,359 --> 01:38:50,800
you for your research. You are welcome, and I'm sure

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01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:55,840
Isaac is very thankful for your shouting him out. Ari

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01:38:56,359 --> 01:38:59,279
eleven dollars, he says, I have to go make dinner.

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01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:01,760
I did not agree with everything.

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Speaker 5: Okay, eleven dollars. That guy's illuminate confirmed. That's the number

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01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:09,680
of magic, the number of the the aon of Horus.

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01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,399
Speaker 1: He can mull over where he disagreed while he eats

1638
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:17,479
his dinner, but he says, I appreciate you guys to

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01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,920
spend however, you all f and rock love Ari. Well,

1640
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,039
thank you Ari, and we appreciate them. Eleven them eleven

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01:39:24,119 --> 01:39:28,439
dollars n Keferro's, he says, for five bucks. What is

1642
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:31,600
the deal with love Craft? I've read that he was

1643
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,279
not into the occult, but he used the occult imagery.

1644
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:37,319
It's a hugely debated thing. I read a few story

1645
01:39:37,399 --> 01:39:40,840
short stories. I'm not a big Lovecraft fan, Isaac. Can

1646
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:44,159
you enlighten us on where he was on that story?

1647
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's a curious take. And I'm the same way.

1648
01:39:47,079 --> 01:39:51,239
I find the imagery of Lovecraft really interesting and I

1649
01:39:51,399 --> 01:39:54,840
want to like his works. The movies are usually not

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01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:57,159
done well. Color out of Space was done pretty well.

1651
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,560
But from what I read that is that is accurate

1652
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:07,279
that he in fact, he in fact wasn't he was

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01:40:07,359 --> 01:40:11,079
more scared of the occult than pro occult, I guess

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01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:14,039
would be a good uh. From what I recall reading

1655
01:40:14,079 --> 01:40:18,920
about him is that he was he was. He was

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01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:21,600
an atheist. He was a bit nihilistic. That comes through

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01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,640
in his works. Because you know, it's about these these

1658
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:29,000
aliens coming up and devouring mankind. So I think he

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01:40:29,159 --> 01:40:34,159
was more more terrified of of these occult concepts. I

1660
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:39,159
imagine if he was alive today, he'd be grabbing his pants.

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01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:41,319
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, I love going on. I got

1662
01:40:41,359 --> 01:40:44,720
a decent amount of views on my Coloradeo space analysis,

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01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:46,960
but a lot of the people didn't like my analysis.

1664
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,319
I don't know if I got linked in a Reddit

1665
01:40:49,399 --> 01:40:51,720
group or something like that, but I had hundreds of

1666
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:54,439
comments were just going after me for talking about the

1667
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:56,840
fact that the that my analysis was that I was

1668
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:00,239
talking about the occult. I mean there's references to I

1669
01:41:00,279 --> 01:41:01,760
think the Book of the Law is in the movie.

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01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:05,279
H Now, I was analyzing the movie. I wasn't analyzing

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01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:09,159
the story by HP Lovecraft. So I think my analysis

1672
01:41:09,319 --> 01:41:12,760
of the Krolian elements in the movie are correct because

1673
01:41:13,159 --> 01:41:16,520
it's either Kenneth Anger or Kenneth Is it Kenneth Grant,

1674
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:20,960
It's something aig fan of no No in the movie.

1675
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:24,840
A book is seen in the movie in the daughter's bedroom.

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01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,920
She has either Kenneth Grant or cro I think it

1677
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:30,800
was a Book of the Law, so my analysis is correct.

1678
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:34,920
And then everybody in the comments is just like shoot, like,

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01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:36,159
yes it is in the movie.

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01:41:36,199 --> 01:41:36,399
Speaker 3: It is.

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01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 7: But if you read the Satanic Bible, I'm pretty sure

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01:41:39,319 --> 01:41:44,399
some of the rituals in their church are Lovecraft. I

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01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:48,039
mean just taking themes from his bo I'm not saying.

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01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:52,239
Speaker 1: Lovecraft with a slavey probably borrowed from things like that. Yeah, totally.

1685
01:41:53,039 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 5: Yeah. The uh you know, HP Lovecraft was the I

1686
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,840
guess the neck or no Ma con came to him

1687
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,520
in a dream. So like I think he had made

1688
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:10,520
contact with this weird plane of strangeness. Uh. And but

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01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:13,720
he he had said that his knowledge of magic was

1690
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:18,039
limited to whatever was in the encyclopedia. But he he

1691
01:42:18,279 --> 01:42:21,439
uh he. I think he was also like asexual, if

1692
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:22,840
I'm not mistaken.

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01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. And if you look at his face,

1694
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:27,760
you could see what that dude wouldn't get laid anytime soon,

1695
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:33,279
all right? Uh, come on, that's funny. DC customs for

1696
01:42:33,359 --> 01:42:35,399
five bucks, he says. Jamie is correct. We need more

1697
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:38,520
beach boys. Man, I don't listen to no beach boomers. Dude,

1698
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:46,399
that ain't min, that ain't min. You know, good good,

1699
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:49,720
I don't know anybody I don't know beach boys songs.

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01:42:50,199 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 5: I know Beach Boys my first concert when I was

1701
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,840
a young child at the Hershey Park and pa there,

1702
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:01,560
I saw the Beach Boys with Chicago, and you know,

1703
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:04,039
I was just a young child and I was it

1704
01:43:04,119 --> 01:43:06,319
was funny because everyone was knocking the beach balls around

1705
01:43:06,399 --> 01:43:07,840
and I was like, oh, this is great. But then

1706
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,279
there was like this guy behind us, like all blitzed

1707
01:43:10,279 --> 01:43:11,960
out of his mind, and I remember the whole time

1708
01:43:12,079 --> 01:43:14,159
just like being freaked out. This guy was gonna, like,

1709
01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:16,279
you know, kill me or something or kidnap me or

1710
01:43:16,319 --> 01:43:18,800
something weird. But yeah, that was my first concert with

1711
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:23,039
the Beach Boys. So story Dobbs.

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01:43:23,399 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 1: We know who Bob Dobbs is the Church of the SubGenius, right, Yeah.

1713
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:33,319
Marjorie Cameron's niece Lauren Cameron, who is on Wikipedia, says

1714
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:35,880
this was my neighbor and good friend while I lived

1715
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:38,960
in Berkeley. He had a lot of interesting things to

1716
01:43:39,079 --> 01:43:41,680
say about his aunt. And then it cuts off because

1717
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:44,439
on stream labs, I can't see the whole comment. So

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01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:46,479
I'm not trying to cheat you, Bob Dobbs, but thank

1719
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:48,279
you for that five dollars and I will look at

1720
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:51,840
this link. Now I can't even look at it. I'll

1721
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:55,640
try sometime to look at who Lauren Cameron is. But

1722
01:43:56,119 --> 01:43:59,079
that's cool that that's your your be a theft DC

1723
01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:01,920
customs for five again. What happens when one cult leader

1724
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:06,640
gets seduced by another cult leader? Ask Jack Parsons, Yeah exactly.

1725
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:10,479
Connor sends Tim Bucks and he says, muchus grasses, all

1726
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,840
rightchus grasses to you, Connor, thank you very much. And

1727
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:16,560
I put Isaac's links into the chat throughout the entire show,

1728
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:18,600
so I hope everybody who popped in was able to

1729
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:21,239
follow Isaac. We had a great crowd tonight, almost five hundred.

1730
01:44:21,239 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 5: Be sure a hit a like and the.

1731
01:44:24,039 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 1: Bell and all that stuff and share if you would

1732
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:31,239
go follow Isaac, go check out his based books and research.

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01:44:31,319 --> 01:44:33,000
He's got some good information for sure.

1734
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, Isaac, I'm about to watch your thing about Beyonce.

1735
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 5: Oh that's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.

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01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:39,359
I have.

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01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 1: Jamie has covered Beyonce in all her books.

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01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 7: I have twenty pages of unused notes on Beyonce. I

1739
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,199
wrote a whole chapter on her, but I didn't even

1740
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:50,680
get to all of it. So maybe after I watch

1741
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:53,119
your show and I find those notes, we can have

1742
01:44:53,279 --> 01:44:54,199
you back to talk about.

1743
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:57,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, we definitely need to talk Beyonce, because I watched

1744
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:01,399
that Black Is King on Disney Plus and I'm surprised

1745
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:03,760
it hasn't gotten more heat than than you know, I

1746
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:06,600
just published the podcast a couple of days ago, So

1747
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:10,279
maybe it's maybe it's it's coming down the tracks. Maybe

1748
01:45:10,319 --> 01:45:12,119
I don't know. I'm waiting for it to hit me

1749
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:13,960
like a ton of bricks, because you know, you can't.

1750
01:45:14,239 --> 01:45:17,560
In fact, someone on my Patreon was like, hey, there's

1751
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:21,239
a uh, there's an article on Daily Beast talking about

1752
01:45:21,279 --> 01:45:30,159
how how you can't sorry gets all their dumb rescue dogs.

1753
01:45:31,159 --> 01:45:34,840
Speaker 1: Anyway, he's got his, he's got his Paris Hilton poop steady.

1754
01:45:35,279 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, they're Paris Hilt dogs, exactly. I got. I

1755
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:40,399
got the moment Instagram at Isaac Wishaw you can check out.

1756
01:45:41,239 --> 01:45:42,760
I just put a picture of the one. She was

1757
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:47,720
all five g kilgrid blissed out. But anyway, yeah, uh oh, anyway,

1758
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:49,960
the Daily Beast they have an article about why is

1759
01:45:50,079 --> 01:45:52,720
no one able to have a bad opinion on Beyonce,

1760
01:45:54,119 --> 01:45:56,920
which is one hundred percent accurate. She's being used and

1761
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:00,520
propped up for something. Anyway, Yeah, we we definitely need

1762
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:01,680
to talk Beyonce for sure.

1763
01:46:02,319 --> 01:46:05,239
Speaker 1: By the way, uh Jamie's book is now added to

1764
01:46:05,359 --> 01:46:07,560
the Jaysonnalysis shop, so the link is there if you

1765
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:11,560
want to get signed copies of Jamie's prequel. That's right,

1766
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:15,359
weird stuff Operation Culture Creation, which is just as good

1767
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as Hollywood Mind Control, which is also in the shop.

1768
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:21,199
But I had to add it to they had to

1769
01:46:21,239 --> 01:46:22,880
put all the crap in there today. So there are

1770
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,479
the buttons up and you can order signed copies of

1771
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:31,159
Jamie's books as well as Jamie has her uh whipped

1772
01:46:31,239 --> 01:46:33,520
tallow body cream that she makes, So we've added the

1773
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:36,079
products to my shop, so you guys can go check

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01:46:36,119 --> 01:46:38,439
that stuff out if you want to support uh me

1775
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:41,720
and Jamie in our information and research and work. Thank

1776
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,119
you guys, it's a great show. Oh we got another

1777
01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:44,560
super chat.

1778
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,640
Speaker 5: Okay, wait ja ja Wait a minute, Wait a minute,

1779
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:49,199
Wait a minute, buddy, what about the Malice Jones Male

1780
01:46:49,319 --> 01:46:51,439
Vitality Bonner pills. Where can I get a link for that?

1781
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:55,520
Speaker 1: Well, I'm the source of those, that's my My essence

1782
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:56,840
is extracted.

1783
01:46:56,399 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 7: To it in the pills.

1784
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:02,399
Speaker 5: Jesus Drina Crumboner pill.

1785
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,279
Speaker 1: John for three dollars says it would be Would God

1786
01:47:06,399 --> 01:47:09,640
be cool he asked this question last night. I think

1787
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:12,680
this is a joke, troll guy. Would God be okay

1788
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:15,520
with me letting someone else use my Amazon Flex account?

1789
01:47:16,319 --> 01:47:18,359
I don't have it. You asked me this question last night, Bro,

1790
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:19,880
I don't know, but thank you for the three dollars.