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Therefore itself is a dogmatic.
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ships ship shod stars, shopping stars shop.
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in the incremental slow, killed baby an approach to bring
the technocracy into being. So they're not going to send
the Homeland Security troops to round you up and put
you in a FEMA camp. They'd much rather promote everybody
being in national video games, the Disney, the virtual reality.
All this kind of stuff isn't much better FEMA camp
in your home? All right, what's up?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 1: What's up? Uh? Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: What is this mask mad man doing?
Speaker 5: Hey? I'm just playing it safe here.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're afraid I'm on a coof into the microphone
and get it on you.
Speaker 6: You know, I just figure, you know, let's let's said
abide by the social distancing guidelines. I got my uh,
this is my custom ballgates face mask protecting it says daddy,
bad thing.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Okay, good, I'm happy for you. Great dude,
Please take that off so everybody can see your your
chad face. We decided on Twitter this week that you
are in Chad, isn't he? He's a chat? He's a chat?
You win? There, Get me my little headphones on here.
Speaker 5: So we can do this properly.
Speaker 1: Here, headphones, There we go.
Speaker 5: That should be better.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, welcome dude.
Speaker 5: It's been a while, yeah, too long, too long, brother.
Speaker 1: Today we are going to cover the excellent series that
you did about a year ago, maybe a year and
a half ago, that I really enjoyed because I knew
some of this material, but some of it I didn't know.
And you covered a book that a guy did on
the crazy, crazy Scarlet Woman character Marjorie Cameron. So I
took a lot of notes. Jamie took a lot of notes.
So we're basically gonna let ask you questions. You can
tell us about it. We'll be promoting your stuff, your links,
your material in the chat as you're talking. And then
I've got some stuff in my books on this material
as well, So why don't you start out, because you
haven't been on in a while on my channel. I mean,
we did the the Christy Mayor thing. But tell us,
tell my audience who you are and what kind of
stuff you do in a little bit of whatever you're
comfortable telling us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, most definitely thanks for having me on. As always.
We've linked up several times in the past here, but
it's been a while now. And you mentioned that recent
swapcast we did with Christy Mayer that that was I
got a lot of good feedback on that. People really
liked it when we all got together, so that was cool.
As far as me and my journey, Well, let's to
keep this fairly brief. I started blogging in twenty eleven,
and ironically that is how I found jasanalysis dot com
because I was researching different symbolism and all this stuff.
I was just learning about trying to figure it all out, right,
long story short. So then we then you know, it
transitioned into a YouTube channel that got banned, and then
that transitioned into a podcast conspiracy Theories.
Speaker 1: On and then you had your transition.
Speaker 5: And then we just we just cemented the deal. We
just caught it good. Yeah, I know, the you know
and I wrote, I wrote several books along the way
as far as like how and you know, I come
up with a pseudonym of Isaac Wisshaup, which is not
my real name. That's it's the dumbest alias. I know.
It's her albumer. I just uh, I had just interviewed
doctor Diana Pelushka Pasulka. Excuse me, man, I don't why
my brain messes her name up Paka. She's the one
who wrote American Cosmic. I just interviewed her and and uh,
she she thought it was super interesting. I forgot to
tell her like, oh, by the way, that's not my
real name. And she's a professor of religious studies, so
she was immediately like, whysop, are you related to Adam
weiss Hopf And I was like no, sorry, yeah, yeah,
maybe I should roll with it. I'm actually like very German.
I've got a lot of a lot of heavy German
bloodline in my family, so I mean it's not impossible.
So I'm croup. Yeah, I get called a lot of things.
One of them I get called through all the time, crowd.
Speaker 1: I added to it. I had to get my own
flavor to it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, people call me of Hebrew descents all the time,
although I don't know that I know of uh you're.
Speaker 1: A uh, you're one of those germanicild types.
Speaker 5: I'm just yeah, exactly, man exactly. So I'm pretty chilly basically.
But the yeah, you know, and and I wrote the
books and and got into all this stuff and you know,
learning along the way, learning a lot along the way.
And the podcast has really taken off a lot of people,
you know, and people. People were telling me to do
the podcast many many many years ago, and I didn't
like doing it. I don't like the yeah, I don't
like I don't like the sort of close and personal
vibe of it because I was more interested in just
blogging and keeping my distance. But since I've sort of
you know, connected in with the audience, I kind of
like it better this way, to be honest, It's nice
to get to know people, get to know what they're
into and what they like and what they what they
think of the ideas, especially when you get into these
fringe elements like like Marjorie Cameron. You know, a lot
of people aren't familiar with how I mean, like like
you talked about it did a three I think it
was three episodes on her in twenty eighteen, and.
Speaker 1: It was two years ago then my bed.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And I pulled up my notes because you know,
I don't I can't remember stuff that long. And I
hadn't thought about Marjorie Cameron since I did the show.
And I'm looking through my notes and I've got like
thirteen pages of notes here.
Speaker 1: I was, holy crap, thirteen pages. Yeah, well, yeah, that
was I mean, it was an awesome show. The whole
series was. I'm a regular listener to your podcast, so
I'm a big fan. And by the way, they want
to give you a shot out for your lawnmower Man analysis,
and I swear to you, a kid, you not. We
had actually planned right around the same time to do
lawnmower Man as well, so we did not rip you off,
I promise you, even though we also came to the
same simple jack conclusion, even though my.
Speaker 5: Brain doesn't work so good. No, but uh yeah, and
I don't I don't take offense to uh, you know
us in this sort of truth or realm. We're surely
gonna step on each other's penis sometimes, and uh, I
don't even think about the time, and I don't think
nothing of it, so you never have to address that
it's a crying.
Speaker 1: Game, although all time I know all there is to
know about that crying anyway, Well, it.
Speaker 5: Was the I don't keep up on podcasts like I
would like to. Is that the same show you did
the Video Drome Analysis on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did it last night. We did the Video
Drome we did we did Virtual Worlds as the theme.
So we did okay, thirteenth floor of nel Sky Videodrome,
Johynamnic and then and then now and.
Speaker 5: So nice I got a one on virtuosity. I'm gonna
do here soon. It's not it wasn't that like chocked
full of cool symbolism. So it's a short topic.
Speaker 1: But that's the one with Russell Crowe and is it Denzel?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's really corny. It's really corny, but it's
all right.
Speaker 1: Have you dove into any of the Cronenberg yet?
Speaker 5: You know it's funny you said that because I actually
I listened to when I'm not when I want to
get away from the Truther World, I listened to a
show called Evolution of Horror podcast and they just talked
about horror movies, and they started talking about Cronenberg, and
I thought, man, I don't really know much about his stuff.
I saw Naked Lunch when I was a kid, and
I was like, this is stupid. I don't even know
what's going on here. And I went and watched damn it.
What was the first one I watched his? I can't
think of it, but I watch just one of his.
And then the second one I bought was Video Drone,
which I literally just finished two nights ago, and that's
all you did and Annalysis. I was like, oh sweet,
this is perfect because you know, on the first take
of watching it, I didn't really understand what the hell
was going on, so.
Speaker 1: It took takes.
Speaker 5: Check it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna love it when you dissect that. Also,
Existence is good, the one with Jude Law and Jennifer
Jason Lee. That's a virtual worlds movie by Cronenberg. That
one's good. The Fly obviously is good. And then he's
got some old ones that are pretty weird, like The Brood.
That's a good horror movie that is dealing with archetypes
and like manifesting some kind of demonic archetype. It's pretty wild.
It's it's actually highly rated. It's not like a even
though it kind of looks like a B movie, it's
it's actually a pretty creepy horror movie. So I've become
a big David Cronenberg fan in the last few weeks Scanners. Also,
Scanners has got a lot of deep state conspiratorial kind
of stuff going on as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's gonna be my next movie is Scanners. Uh
what it came back to me? What what got me
into Cronenberg was Crash. I had heard about Crash on
the podcast and I was like, well, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 5: I remember someone telling me about this and I couldn't
find a copy of it anywhere online, and I was
like that, you know, that just stoked my intrigues. So
I bought the DVD of it and watched him. I
was like, this is bizarre stuff, man.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's like a kind of like a weirder
gooeyer Carpenter. He's like a guyer giant carpenter, if you
can even imagine that, right. But let's get into Marjorie
Cameron and how she relates to some other big figures
that we all know about, like Alser Crowley, Jack Parson's
uh and Kenneth Anger. Because I've covered Kenneth Anger in
my books, even Kenneth Grant, So why don't you tell
us why she matters and maybe start off with where
she comes from in her a little bit of her background.
Speaker 5: Yeah, most definitely. So she is a fascinating character. I
read a book from Spencer Cancer called The Wormwood Star
Tremendous Buggers. It was hard to put down because it's
just so fascinating, all these things. It's so packed with content,
and that's why I had to do it over three shows.
But the you know, she was born in nineteen twenty two,
died in nineteen ninety five, so not terribly long ago.
But she was very influential into a lot of the
sort of fusion of occult stuff with the beat movement,
with the early drug psychedelic sort of thing. And we
can kind of go through her history and you can
kind of stop me, and we can go off the
rails here and there. But she, you know, she was
messing with the aliens. Of course, she was with Jack
Parsons infamously, she was the Scarlet Woman, and she was
close with Alistair Crowley while he was alive. But she
grew up in the Midwest and she had all these
even as a she had these supernatural tendencies, like she
could see these white horses floating by her bedroom window.
She thought that the well in their backyard was a
portal in the hell itself. So even when she was young,
she had all these weird visions and sort of connections
that you see with some figures of the occult that
even before they're sort of indoctrinated into this line of thinking,
some of these people are really you know, in touch,
in tune with this sort of sixth sense idea, much
like Joan of Arc, you know. And there's connections that
Joan of Arc here with Marjorie Cameron. But Joan of
Arc she thought she was able to like commune with
voices and all that stuff.
Speaker 7: Of course, well, she had something in common with Alshra
Croley that she was raised in a strict puritanical family.
Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, that's right, and got she got caught masturbating
at the age of nine, and she got beaten up
and they centered to bed without dinner, and then she
she got pregnant at fifteen, had a home homemade abortion.
She had a tumultuous childhood, right, and you know, you
see that a lot too like Charles Manson himself, he
had a horrific childhood.
Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot of a lot of cult leaders
and people who go into the radical Antinomian rebellion. You know,
they have this puritanical upbringing which kind of flowers up,
you know, foams up later on into like this opposite
extreme right. They want to go from this crazy puritanical thing.
Then they go to the extreme when they're when they're
later when because Croley was in the Plymouth Brethren and
he describes his upbringing that same way, like it was
a super strict, weird thing that didn't make any sense.
And like you pointed out, a lot of times those
really strict religious groups are very hypocritical because you've got
this attitude of extreme supposed post to you. And then
her mom turns around and wants like a you know,
homemade abration.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I gotta feed careful with my language on here.
I forgot we're on the you know the tubes. Yeah, Well,
that incident when she.
Speaker 7: Was nine, that makes me think that there might have
been some abuse in the family, because children don't just
learn that by themselves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, at nine years old, that's pretty young, So I mean,
maybe I didn't see that in the book.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't read more than that book on Marjorie Cameron
that that was sort of the definitive, you know, biography
of her. Maybe there's more. That's a good, good thought though,
maybe maybe there's more out there that would support that.
Speaker 1: By the way, as I was listening to you again
and we redid your your series, it reminded me of
some of the visions that and experiences that she claims
to have had. Have you done any of the Twin
Peaks yet?
Speaker 5: Now, I've never seen Twin Peaks, not the old one
or the I guess new one or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, what eventually is revealed, I mean, this is not
telling you too much about the plot, because it's more
so revealed in the book about Twin Peaks by Mark Frost,
is that it's all based on Parsons, Cameron, Crowley and
all that. So yeah, So Mark Frost, who co wrote
co created it with David Lynch, wrote a book a
couple of years ago, and it's the whole history of
Twin Peaks going back like one hundred and fifty years
or so. And he includes these sections about Parsons, about
the Babylon working the gate that they tried to set
up this demon portal gate and all this kind of stuff.
And there's a sequence in both Firewalk with Me, the movie,
the original movie, and then in the new series we
see these white horses walk by, and in the film,
it's not Marjorie Cameron, it's Laura Palmer, but Laura and
her mom are plagued by seeing these white horses. And ironically,
Laura's mom is supposed to be the one who brings
forth the battle on woman, the Scarlet Woman, So it's
actually Laura's mom that ends up being kind of what
would be equivalent to a Marjorie Cameron character. Ironically.
Speaker 5: Interesting is that you said that's on the movie or
the TV series.
Speaker 1: Well, it's implicit in the show. It's all one big story, right,
So the old show, the movie, and the new season,
they all are telling one kind of big story about
Twin Peaks. And I always had a specific theory on it,
and so I wrote my big long analysis before back
in twenty fifteen or sixteen. Then they did Mark Frost
put his book out and it vindicated all the stuff
I suspected. So it was all about the Crollian stuff.
It was all about ritual magic. It was all about
the Trinity Site and all that stuff, which is going
to relate to Parsons. Okay, so but that's not a theory.
It's all in Mark Frost's book, Like you put it
all in there.
Speaker 5: That's insane. I have to watch that now. It's always
been on my radar. People bring it up constantly, and
it's it's like it's like telling somebody to Like, if
someone tells me I should watch the X Files, It's like, cool,
I'll just set aside six months of my life and
do that. I guess.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, those are worth doing, though, Twin Peaks
and X Files for like, if you're a conspiracy guy,
they're definitely what you want to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to. In fact, I'm going to rewatch
because I I watched the X Files growing up and
I missed huge chunks of it, but I wanted to
reinvestigate the uh you know, there's there's a list of
episodes that are part of the alien uh you know,
I don't know what you call the alien storyline of
that whole thing, but yeah, I want to check that out.
Speaker 7: Well, pretty much every conspiracy is represented in the X Files.
Every character. You know, there's a a face on Mars
episode every goofy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, And I never liked those sort of like
you know, uh, you know big Foot in the Woods episodes,
Like I those were always they never interested me, even
as a kid. I kind of would tune those out.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I like all of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's a cool storyline about how his sister
got abducted. And you know, I didn't even like the movie.
The movie you know, it was called Fight the Future,
And I think that plays into the big alien agenda
because from the research I've been doing because I'm writing
this book on aliens, it's you get into some real
weird woo woo territory real quick with the alien UFO phenomenon.
And I think there's something with space time or quantum
entanglement that when X Files is called Fight the Future,
I think there's some element there that pertains to the
UFO agenda.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. In fact, we've got our next one of
the next series that we're gonna do is we picked
all the ten most interesting X Files that we're going
to cover the episodes because there's like the overall story
arc of the UFOs and the genetic modification all that stuff.
And then there's individual episodes too that can be really fascinating,
that the kind of monster of the Week type stuff.
But I wanted to show you. So here's Mark Frost's
big fat Twin Peaks History of Twin Peaks book. And
you'll notice, like I said, right there, there's a chap
whole chapter on that guy. And look who's on the
next page, mister strange angel. And then who's on the
very next page. I thought it was the next page.
There's the Devil's Gate in California, and then Marjorie Cameron.
So here's here's Marjorie. She does make her way into
the Twin Peaks story. As I was telling you, where
did she grow up?
Speaker 5: Do you remember in Iowa? Let me get this bell Plain, Iowa?
Speaker 7: Yeah, the hell Mels in Iowa?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You have you watched Buffy ever?
Speaker 5: No, I'm terrible. In the nineties was a huge There
was a huge gap from like ninety four to like
two thousand and two where I didn't really consume it.
Speaker 1: I didn't either, I mean, she made me watch it.
But it's like Teenager X Files basically, but the city
is on a hell mouth basically, So all these entities
come through the portal of the city.
Speaker 5: So anyway, kind of like that if you guys watch
Hell You're on Amazon, they kind of they go out
to I believe's Kentucky or something and there's a cave
out there that there supposedly aliens come through. It fits
into that Alan Greenfield book Secret Cipher of the UFO
Nots and Alistair Crowley.
Speaker 2: And all that.
Speaker 1: Oh well, by the way, welcome everybody. We've got over
three hundred nerds, which is good for early evenings. So
we are talking with our buddy Isaaca Vaishalt and we
are covering his analysis of the Scarlet Woman herself, missus
Marjorie Cameron, and you can follow his Instagram. I'm gonna
put it in the chat again. I've linked it multiple times,
Lincoln once again, so nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I gotta get the numbers up to get my
thought on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's trying to be an Instagram thought and then
he can then he can open up his yogurt pants
OnlyFans account when he gets enough of the fans, So
be sure and follow him over there. But all right,
let's talk about this is where it really it kicks
off early on that I had actually forgot this part,
and this is that she joins the Navy and apparently
she gets roped into some kind of thing where maybe
she's like a honey trap.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she worked for the Joint Chief of Staff, which
is pretty bizarre because I mean that's that's moving up
to very high levels with very minimal experience in the military.
Speaker 7: And she did hair and makeup for propaganda films. Is
that what you said?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they had her working on man, where was that
it was? It was I don't remember, I don't remember where,
but yeah, there was like military propaganda films and she
was working on the set for that and they they
they she claimed that she was part of the what
do you call the honey trap deal, like Jennifer Lawrence
that movie. Yeah, which you know, a lot of that
would make sense, you know, like she was possibly traumatized
as a kid, you know, if you want to buy
into that idea that maybe she was. And uh, she
had all these weird supernatural tendencies and the military had
had plenty of projects looking at the paranormal operations of
the mind and how it connects into you know, associative
identity disorders and alter egos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but actually the Soviets and the US did. The
Soviets had their own SI SI spy program running at
the same time as as we were doing MK Ultra
and the Stanford research stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they would, you know, because they were recruiting
like you know, Uri Geller and Ingo Swan and they
were they were wanting all these sort of people that
had natural abilities to study them. And what I found,
I don't know if I think you were out of
the room there. I'll started, Jamie the the Alien book.
I'm writing the the idea that I this and it's
hard without going off on a thirty minute tangent about it.
But what I'm what I'm finding, And maybe this is
old hat for some theorists, but like for me, I didn't.
I didn't know this until my recent book. The Collins
Elite was like this group of Christian insiders that since
the forties have been part of, you know, attached to
some level of you know, I don't know we call
the PEGON or Department of Defense, but it might have
been tied into the CIA or the FBI or whatever.
With this group was investigating UFOs and aliens because Jack Parsons,
who you know, was tied into this Cameron stuff. Jack
Parsons was opening up these portals and doing these rituals,
and they believe on some levels that he genuinely opened
up a portal to contact demons. And this group of
the Collins Elite have been researching it since the forties,
and then when Parsons died in fifty two, things really
heated up and they were trying to figure it out
because before he died, they were more or less sort
of what I'm piecing together, grilling Parsons on like how
this worked and what he was doing, because they were
trying to get you know, their arms wrapped around this thing.
And then he died at you know, he was like
thirty seven when he died, and you know, unexpectedly obviously,
and we can talk about that too, But when he died,
then they started scrambling. They said, holy crap, like you know,
even Crowley himself said like this idiot didn't close off
the portal or whatever, you know, when Crowley died in
forty seven. So the idea exists that people were concerned
about Parsons manifesting aliens, which this consili group said, no,
these are demons, They're not just friendly, the Aliens, Marvin
the Martian type stuff, and they've been researching this stuff
since then. What's curious to me and what blows my
mind is that if you read, if you research, if
you watch some of the interviews with Louis Alexando, the
guy who ran the A Tip program out of the
Pentagon there in two thousand and seven, twenty twelve, in
recent interviews, he's been publicly saying, how, yeah, we were
researching all this stuff for many years. The problem was
there was a group of like these sort of you know,
silly Christians, and they thought we were summoning Satan, so
we kept getting shut down. Ha ha ha. Then on
Joe Rogan recently, George Knapp and Jeremy Corbel were on
there and the same exact almost verbade them the same
words that Louis Alexandro's saying in the press. George Napp
talks about the same thing, or maybe it was Corbel,
I don't remember, and you know, the same response Joe
Rogan kind of laughing at it, you know. And it's like,
so the influence of the Colins elite. From what I've
been what I've found, I should say, from what I
understand their influence has diminished greatly, which would make sense.
This sort of follows the trajectory of the Christian influence
in America in the forties and fifties. It was obviously
much greater than it is today. So I would argue
that the stuff anyway. Oh, so let me tie it
back into what we're talking about here. So the idea
here is that the powers that be have a vested
interest in understanding how the mind works, how these paranormal
things work, how we talk to entities in another dimension.
Because they're witnessing, they know this happens. They just can't
explain it, which is why the public doesn't get the
full story, because how could they, How could how could
the how could a good leader come out and say, Yeah,
this thing is happening and it's pretty scary. We have
no idea anything about it, how to stop it, how
it happens, we have no clue because that looks weak,
and they've been slowly creeping out disclosure over this last
little bit, which is why I'm like frantically typing up
this alien book. But I think it all fits together
with parsons and cameras, and they're the start of.
Speaker 1: Fact, one of the big proponents of this whole ethos
of the alien UFO stuff is, of course Arthur C. Clark,
And I did a whole chapter on Signs, the mel
Gibson film Signs, and then I cover Clark and Carrellen
and the childhoods in ethos or mythos, because Carrellen is
a demon more or less. I mean, if you watch
this series, he looks like a demon, and if you
read the book, he's described as kind of an Antichrist
type of figure even though he's an alien. But the
Overlords are specifically anti human and demonic. I mean they're
described that way in the book. And Arthur C. Clark
was in the circles of Crollians and so he's a
big promoter of this right two thousand and one in
Space Honesty, So this all definitely goes together. What do
you think about that? Did you you know? I'm sure
you knew about Child's in and all that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And I think that storyline, if I'm not mistaken,
is the alien comes and hides himself from the people
because they can't see that he's truly a demon, and
they would be scared. Then and he comes and he helped.
He's helping people out and doing whatever. And then slowly
they start evolving, the children, I believe, and the children
start getting the CDs and the superpowers and levitating and
esp and all this right, wacky bizarre, Oh that's all right,
Like yeah, exactly, yeah, man, Yeah, and the kids evolve,
and I want to say that the kids end up
leaving the planet and the overlords destroy the whole thing
and move on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same idea that was in the original R.
Two C. Clark two thousand and one story was Starchild
decides that humanity is a lost cause and so he
nukes the world.
Speaker 5: Basically, Yeah, it's and those two thousand and one, the
sequel novels. I read all those, in fact, I'm in
the process of rereading them, and they were really good.
And you know, two thousand and ten and twenty sixty
one and three thousand and one. Yeah, they lay out
the whole storyline, and it's like, you see enough of
this in the science fiction that it becomes very clear
that these psychopaths believe this. They're part of this weird
death cult exactly. They're just obsessed with getting rid of humanity.
For God, knows why. I mean, you could call it
demonic influence, or they think that they've got a higher calling.
I mean, I don't really understand why they subscribe to this.
But in that in fact, in my Alien book, I've
got a chapter a section on the death cult adrenochrome stuff,
because as bizarro as the adrenochrome talk is, and I've
for a long time thought that was just fringy truth
or nonsense. Again, you look at enough science fiction and
you know entertainment, you see it pop up over and over,
and there's something to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And it's in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And and and I read through the section
in Fear and loathingn't. I haven't read the whole book,
but I read that section in Fear and Loathing. And
if you read the whole section, it's the guy, the
lawyer who has the drug says that he got it
from a Satanist who was also a I don't know
what's the right term here, child abuser, we'll say. And
it's like, how bizarre is this? And then it shows
up again in another hunter S tops and book, Fear
and Loathing on the campaign trail, seventy two, So like,
was he really making that up? I don't. I don't
know that he was. You see it in clockwork orange
and the dream of chrome on the wall there, and
it's in the milk that the clockwork drugies are drinking.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, And I want to remind the audience. We've
got almost four hundred live, which is a good crowd tonight.
Welcome nerds, and welcome all you Isaac fans. We're talking
to Isaac about his analysis of Marjorie Caeron. Also, I
would remind people too, I did do an Orthodox analysis
of the alien stuff from Father surfrom Rose's book, which
everybody's probably familiar with Orthodox in the religion in the future.
It's one of the more popular talks. You want to
go hear my talk on that book. And Father Rose
covers the alien demon stuff from the Orthodox view, which
it's a great book. It's a classic, it's a must read.
But he pretty much backs up all the stuff we're
saying then, Isaac. I don't know if you happen to
catch the show that I did on John C. Lilly,
but I came across his autobiography. He actually has two
chapters where he talks about tripping balls and interacting with
the beings, and he more or less calls them aliens,
and he says that they helped him get ideas for
a lot of the tech that he was studying. And
he was actually doing back in the fifties, the implantable
microchip stuff, So he was putting the chips in the
monkeys' brains back in the fifties, way before most people
thought that was the thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had read the only thing I knew about Lily,
The only thing I read of his was he had
this whole essay on the human mind as a biocomputer,
you know, because they think, you know, And that's what's
wrong with these scientists, Like I'm starting to get this
reputation as being anti science, and that's not very accurate.
It's more of the people behind the science, because the
science is just a tool, I think. But it's these
people that get this weird idea in their heads of
what they should do. And I don't know if it's
like they're so used to thinking in this sort of
binary logic zeros and ones, black and white world warps
their brain, but they think that everything could be programmable, predictable,
and controllable.
Speaker 7: Don't you think Doctor Strange is about a drenochrome. I'm
not Doctor Strange, but no, the sequel to Shining was.
Speaker 5: That called Doctor Doctor. Yeah, for sure, that's about drenochrome.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: In fact, I had read the book Doctor Sleep before
I saw the movie, which I think was a good
call because like the movie's damn near three hours. I
actually didn't love it. I thought it was a little
bit long and kind of boring. But you know, and
in the book, you you read, you get a little
bit more information about like how the so like the
boy that they kill in the movie, you know, is
also in the book Brad the baseball boy, and when
they kill him, they they have like a knife. I
think they showed in the movie a little bit, but
they have a knife and they're kind of scaring the kid,
and then they start kind of like stabbing him and
he's letting out this steam and they say, you know,
the the fear purifies the steam, which is kind of
like the adrenochrome stuff. But what's curious is in the
book they talk about Abra is her name. She is
trying to help Danny locate the vampires or whatever. So
they have an artifact from Brad the baseball boy. They
have his baseball glove and she touches it and she
is able to you know, channel all this crap about them,
and she says that they are She basically says they're
like lizard people, which is very curious, you know, because.
Speaker 1: The cheta.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the eggshell of consciousness exactly. Yeah. They
so the book and then and then I don't know
if I don't know if anyone caught this, but when
Danny is working in the nursing home and doctor Sleep,
he's reading the Playgirl magazine, which is the same thing
that Playgirl Jack is reading in the signing, which is
talking about incest and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to so. By the way, I did
have actually a note about scientism. Actually, the roots of
scientism are in the occult believe it or not, a
lot of people don't know that. They think that modern
science is the opposite. It's actually totally in line with
occult as if it comes out of Masonic Royal Society alchemy.
They were the original proponents of scientism a few centuries ago.
And Isaac Newton, all these hate you know, great saints
of scientism are actually a science quote unquote, are actually alchemists, occultists,
et cetera. But let's get back to Marjorie, because tell
me about how she. Do you recall how she met
Jack Parsons and how he was wasn't he looking for
a scarlet woman to do the Babylon working through yees?
Speaker 5: She she she moved to she got out of the Navy.
She moved to Pasadena and she went to the part
Ninja Manson which her mansion, excuse me, which is a
place that there's a lot. There were a lot of
rumors about what was going on there. I believe it
was Curtis Harrington, the director, said something to the effect
of how he heard they were doing satanic stuff up
in the attic. They were known for having all these
sort of wild sex parties, and she checked it out
because she heard that they were doing fertility rights.
Speaker 1: By the way, I listened to that show, that was
a great interview you did with him. Is he the
guy that's friends with Crispin Glover and knows David Lynch
and all that?
Speaker 5: Oh, Ryan Page, Yeah, No, No, Curtis Harrington, he's like
an old timey directoride. Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1: I got it mixed up. But by the way, that
was that's odd again because last night we watched The
River's Edge, which is that weird movie with Crispin that's
kind of he's like the main character more or less,
him and Kenall Reeves. I don't know if you've seen that,
but that's I think that that guy mentions that when
you interviewed him movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ryan, Ryan knows Crispin Glover. That's kind of how
he got his Yeah. Yeah, so that and uh and
Chrispin Glover is an interesting character. He he had a
lot of ideas that he seems to be a little
bit more rebellious against the Hollywood scene, uh from what
I've read. But but yeah, anyway, uh yeah, So Marjorie
she she hooked up with him, and this was after
so he was still married to Sarah Northrop. Jack Parsons
was when when him and l Ron Hubbard went out
in the desert and did that Babylon workings. Now, Jack
Parsons was he he'd gone into Theosophical Society meetings obviously,
you know Helena Blavatski stuff, but he was more into
Crowley at the time because he liked the The Red
Blooded paganism of it, you know. Uh. And and Crowley
himself was a bit of a misogynist abuser of women,
all of his all the women he was hooked in
with went insane or killed themselves or or got beat
beat up, you know, like he wasn't a good dude
at all. Oh really, yeah, he he he was out
of control for sure, you know. And Jack Parsons apparently
liked that, so he uh he hooked up with l
Ron Hubbard to be his his his Edward Kelly as
it were, you know, because I don't know how the
listeners if they if they you know, John d and
Edward Kelly back in old timey days, we're doing a
lot of this weird Andochian magic, so that they were
talking to these spirits, and spirits gave him Thenochian magic
language that they said, oh, here's a here's how you
can talk to us in the future. Just use this,
you know, mysterious alphabet and things will happen. And and
then uh, you know, some of the angels told Kelly
indeed to do a little wife swap in action. So
they did that, which ironic Jack Parsons and now iron
Hubbard would also do. After they were using the Anochian
language to try to manifest the the scarlet woman, which
you know turned out to be be uh, Marjorie Cameron.
But I do think it's let me find my notes
on because there was two So the Babylon working, let's
talk about that for a second. This was the ritual
done in forty six with l Ron Hubbard and Jack
Parsons on the desert. And in the book it actually
said there was two possible meanings for this ritual. The
first one they say that it was purely symbolic and
it was a metaphysical exploration to prophecy the changing times
and waking up the libido of the masses. Now, so
it's a little bit more woo wooie than manifesting a
literal human being.
Speaker 7: Can I just interject something real fast, because people think
these people are just weirdos out in the desert doing
their own thing. But this guy worked for cal Tech,
He worked for Howard Hughes. He has a crater on
the dark side, yeah, I mean, and connected U C.
Speaker 2: L A.
Speaker 7: And you know, live next door to the Bush family
in Pasadena. Like he's not just some weirdo.
Speaker 5: The Bush family out there, No kidding, Yeah, the beer
really yeah? Okay, all right, well that's interesting too. I
was gonna say, maybe that's a weird connection to the
Barber Bush Crowley theory of the bloodline there. That's interesting too,
Bush with a with a sea there Bush Okay, well yeah,
so so there was two. There was two explanations for
the Babylon workings, and the second one is what people
commonly believe, but apparently it's not very clear as to
what they were trying to do. The second rational for
why they were doing.
Speaker 1: This was I thought, wasn't it, Well, maybe this is
you're going to get to the second rationale to bring
the new aon and then get rid of Christianity.
Speaker 5: That's right. Yeah, they wanted a physical birth. They wanted
to create the moonchild, which is this idea of a
magical offspring where you know, So there was it was
a two part ritual. Jack and iw On Hubbard did
the first part. Then Jack meets Marjorie Cameron, who's supposed
to be the consort. She is the one with whom
he's supposed to have the moonchild with, which is when
they started the second part of the ritual. And this
is where the theory gets a little wonky as to
what were they really trying to do. And the second
part of the second explanation is what people commonly believe
is that he was actually trying to conjure this woman
from the spiritual plane and they were supposed to have
a baby, which was the moon child. But the problem
with that theory is that Jack Parsons was very like,
he didn't like kids, He was very anti children. He
said he would never have kids, So it didn't really
make sense. So so she was supposed to be the
vehicle for this new spirit that and yes, destroying Christianity
was the main, the main goal, because Jack Parsons thought
he was the anti Christ, and he thought he was.
He thought that Babylon the spirit dictated to him a
book called leb forty nine, she called the danum Moud
of the Book of the Law, which is Crowley's book,
which the demon told him every whispered in his ear,
you know. And it's all and it's so funny to me.
It's like these disembodied spirits are talking to these guys
and and they're all saying Christianity is the worst thing ever.
It's got to go away. And it's like well, what
what do we call these things? I mean, it's it's
very clear that they're demonic apparitions of some kind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of people don't know either that
the this crew will interpret the Book of Revelation as
a gnostic ritual, like they view the book as a
thing that's supposed to be a key to how in
the last days the final Megas can decode it and
figure out how to open up the gates and bring
the sealed judgments and basically incarnate Babylon. So what they
were trying to do, I think, was to use the
Book of Revelation like a form of a ritual, and
then they would find the avatar, you know, Marjorie camer
or something like that, to be the vehicle to be
to be possessed by the spirit of Babylon, the Mother
of Mysteries, the Horror of Revelation.
Speaker 5: And and what's interesting is, uh, you know, Carl Young
talked about the Apocalypse and his interpretation of it was basically,
it's a it's the new World Order, and it's it's
awakening man's inner superpowers or whatever. And what's curious is
that Babylon b A B Y L O N means
the gate of the God, which is the idea that
these Babylonian stargaters and ancient occultists they were literally communing
with higher powers and deities and you know whatever that is.
But when Crowley came up with the babylon Working Ritual,
it was spelled Baba l o n. And he did
that because it's based upon the Enochian writings of John
d and the dimensions of the table upon which the
angels told John De their language of how to communicate
with these aliens basically these spirits or whatever. And the
product of the table was twelve by thirteen, which he
goes one hundred and fifty six, which is the dumatriy
equivalent of Vaba l o n. And Crowley was he said,
this was the number of the city of the Pyramids,
where the initiates would spend the night of Pan, which
is where you go to destroy the ego. And you know,
all this kind of wacky stuff that like to the
common person, like you know, like me, when I read it,
I'm like, what the hell are they talking about? Man?
Some bizarro stuff.
Speaker 1: And Parsons had what he had a book called The
manifest of the Antichrist and Book of the Antichrist, and
they were they thought that. So there, the correspondence here
is that the age of Chorus, the crown and conquering child,
will replace the age of what what's prior to Horace isis.
Speaker 5: So like it was a Cyrus, the patriarchy CRUs.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then the age of Pisces is replaced by
the age of Aquarius in astrology.
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, what was
it the black question?
Speaker 7: What is the black box? You keep mentioning?
Speaker 5: Oh okay, yeah, so let me let me find it
in my notes. This is actually pretty interesting. So Jack Parsons,
he didn't tell Marjorie Cameron what he was doing with
these rituals, Like apparently she didn't know about any of
this crap to an extent, I guess I'm sure she
knew something of it. But the so he So Parsons
died in fifty two, and when he.
Speaker 1: Died, he he.
Speaker 5: Blew himself up, is the official story. But he did.
He had a closed casket. No one ever officially identified
the body. There's theories as to whether or not he
really died.
Speaker 1: You know, they were trying to create a homunculus too
in there.
Speaker 5: That's right, that's that's one of the theories because man,
I forget the name. I think it was Theodore von
Carman had a relative that successfully created a gallam, a
spiritless being, and that influenced Parsons. I think I could
be wrong on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's Craig Heinbigner's book covers this blood
on the altar, but he talks about his analysis is
that they were trying to invoke or to create this
homunculous beast thing and that would be like the age
of the New Human. And he alleges to that there
was like incest, that Parsons was sleeping with his mom
or something too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had read that too. I had read it
in one of Nick Redfern's books. I believe he apparently
was doing that. And what's crazy is that And we'll
get to that black box in one second, because it
it hinges upon his death, he he thought that these
rituals that they were doing on the desert were going
to impress this babylon goddess. But then he was worried
that he was suffering, that they were attacking him through
the astral plane.
Speaker 1: One example psychic vampire magic attack, right, what a psychic
vampire magic attack from the astral.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, that's exactly what it was.
And he thought, like he thought Crowley's death was an
exam that because that happened, you know, a year later
or whatever, and he was worried he was going to
get killed. He was worried about this. He was like
thirty six at the time they did the rituals. Okay,
So what he did was, after he hooked up.
Speaker 1: With Cameron ICBMs coming in from the mav zone.
Speaker 5: Ahead, he passed on the responsibilities because the Manifestation of
Babylon was here to you know, create the new world
order basically. And he passed on these responsibilities to Marjorie
Cameron because he knew he was going to die, much
like many of these rappers today they know they're going
to die. And he started showing her some rituals and
he said that Babylon. He told her, you know, this
is what we call the Babylon ritual and this is
this is the great work that links you and I together.
But I think that's as far as she knew about
the rituals. And he said on the day that Babylon
would manifest, he would be blown away, which is curious
because he died in an explosion, so so Parsons knew
he was gonna die, and in preparation for this, he
left this black box and it was a magical manuscripts
inside the box, and the note on top of the
box said, don't go further or you'll lose your life.
The guy who was in possession of this box, George Fry,
he tried to open this thing and apparently he cut
his hand so bad and left the scar. That's the
legend of it now. So then so after he dies,
Margerie Cameron goes down to Mexico and for the rest
of her life she was obsessed with completing the mission
of Babylon. And she was even doing weird sex magic
rituals to jack Parson's spirit out in the ether. But
she conducted her first blood ritual. What's that?
Speaker 7: That's very icis Egyptian.
Speaker 3: Of her to do that?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, so she she really was trying to make
it happen. She even said that she brought a time
traveler back with her once like and and she saw
aliens and u of foes and I mean like the
book really is nuts. How much stuff she this chick
went through. Uh, but she she went down to Mexico
did Alester Croley's Born Less Ritual, which some say it's
an exorcism, but it gets you really close to these
demonic entities. And down there she changed her magical name
because you know, these magicians they take on these magical
names that they sort of keep private so that the
other magicians can't use it against them.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: And Jack Parsons gave her her first name, which was
Candida or Candy. And when she went down to Mexico
after Parsons died.
Speaker 1: Your magical name is stripper name.
Speaker 5: You're well listen to this, listen to what her Listen
to what her her second name was. It was Hilarion,
which you know immediately made me think of Hilarion Clinton.
But anyway, Uh, she was a magical because Jack hell there,
you man, he's he splashed on the news and came
and went real quick. He was on there for about
a solid day and then disappeared.
Speaker 1: Anyway, So does she think she's kind of I think
you mentioned Rosemary's baby anyone elsis Uh she kind of
thinking she is like Rosemary? Oh I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't remember that, but I mean I think the
the idea was there of like incarnating some kind of
manifestation of something that's uh, you know, what do you
call it. It's you know, half human, half spirit or
something like that. You know, So that's a little different.
Speaker 7: And you said before, part of these rituals was to
awaken the libido of the masses according to Wilhelm, Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me let me find that in my notes,
because that gets into the territory that's a little too
smart for me to keep in the back pocket. So okay, Yeah,
so that that.
Speaker 1: Ties demons perm the the news, the demons.
Speaker 5: Perm alien DNA bro. Yeah, the first explanation for the
Babylon workings ties into Wilhelm right with this idea of
libido being suppressed, which is kind of like Freud stuff, right,
Like that ties you into like Freud and Young and
all that this idea that there was a true inner
human being suppressed, and that could be the root of
where this anti Christian sentiment comes from, because they think
that the Christians and the Church and organized religion in
general was suppressing all of this sexual energy, and they
went as far as they think it calls the actual
neurosis and all this, all this libido needed to be unleashed,
is what they thought. But yeah, that's that's uh. The
black box was what she She eventually opened it and
read how she was used basically or incarnated through the ritual,
and after she saw that she was, instead of feeling
sort of cheated by it, apparently she doubled down on it.
And she lived the rest of her life trying to
sort of like push this idea of starting this aon
of Horus. And she got married a couple more times,
and the people she got married to were like Bizarro,
out there abducted by aliens and doing all kinds of
wild stuff. We can get into that.
Speaker 1: Too, and we should add too that what characterizes the
aon of Horus is infantilism, the of the child, uh,
basically rested development, homosexuality. These these are all the the
characteristics of the inversion that Crowley believed he was going
to help usher in through this stuff.
Speaker 5: And I and I don't and I think that on
some levels that was accurate. I think that he was
successful in changing society into, you know, away from what
it used to be right or wrong or indifferent. I
think that on some levels this stuff holds true and
the uh and I've got a good quote here, he's
uh Crowley was saying that art was the key to
attainment and transmitting one's innermost psychic visions. Well, then Cameron
embraced that in her in her you know, latter half
of her life, and she was an artist, right.
Speaker 1: Art is like the you know, you're putting your will
and intention out into the world, like the magician. And
that's why the that's how the reason I was going
into that is that this is how we connect all
this to the our culture in the sixties, like you know,
like Dave mcgallan's book where he talks about all the
same stuff from the intelligence side of things with the artists.
Here we have the occult side of things, with a
lot of these people being connected to the artists of
the time, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kenneth Anger again one of
these you know, he's the father of as you pointed
out in the music video avant garde stuff. He's in
the circles of these people, right, I mean Marjorie Cameron
is in his short films, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, Marjorie Cameron. So so you know, Parsons
died in fifty two, and after that we had the
Beat movement, right, which was you know Alan Ginsberg, which
was a nambler guy into little boys, and Jack Kerouac
and William Burrows and all these kind of people that
were into some unique things, we'll say. And a guy
named Colin Wilson wrote the book The Outsider, which influenced
Marjorie Cameron, and he claimed, and I quote, the state
of being an outsider in society was the natural home
for any great sensitive artist. And Cameron lived the rest
of her life as an artist. And even in the
fifties there she was still trying to hook up with
like she was still trying to do make sexual magic
energy to manifest Parsons baby, like I said. She was
kind of like thought she was connected into Parsons out
in space having space sex or something. And she would
even when she would climax, she would scream Abra cadabra
or abrahadabra, I should say, which was Crowley's you know,
magical formula for.
Speaker 1: The great work and with the demon too, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah. She drew an art a painting called Peyote Vision,
which shows her basically getting on with an alien and
then later in her life she said that that was
a soular god as what she said it was later on.
But yeah, she was painting that she was hanging out with.
Let me see, she was hanging with a bunch of artists,
Renata druks A, Nia's nin I'm probably mispronouncing those names.
I'm not good with names. Jane Wolf. Jane Wolf was
her handler in the uh. She was an Alistair Curley's
Silver Star, which is uh, you know, you only have
like sort of one handler above you. It's not like
a big group. It's basically a one on one sort
of initiation sort of deal.
Speaker 7: That was interesting when you talked about that, because isn't
that how some spy networks work?
Speaker 5: Is this? Yeah, cells, Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah,
that's how it's It's curious because doctor and Diana Pasuka,
who I interviewed there for my show and I'm gonna
drop that episode soon. She she wrote that book American Cosmic,
and I always tell people to read that book if
you want to know what's going on with the alien agenda,
because she was basically allowed to hang out with these
scientists that I don't want to say believe because they
don't even look at it as a belief. They say
that they have materials that are not from this world,
and they have a site where a UFO crashed and
they go out there and collect parts from these UFOs.
So they don't believe in aliens. They know there's aliens
to these people, which remain sort of secretive, and and
she asserts that their organization is very similar where nobody
really knows what the people do inside the group. She
calls them. She calls the one guy Tyler. That's a
pseudonym like nobody. So like Tyler only focuses on one
element of this, but he doesn't really know everyone else involved.
The people working around him don't know he's involved. Like
it's this weird little uh you know, what do you
call it? When it's like the pyramid structure of a
you know, David Iyke. He's just the bank example, where
the teller doesn't really know what the floor manager does,
the manager doesn't really know what the you know guy
above him does, and Song it's.
Speaker 1: It's that sort of idea compartmentalize.
Speaker 5: Yeah, compartmentalized, there you go. But uh yeah, so she
so she's hanging out with these with these artists and
the one or not a Drux. She said that she
had an apparition above her bed and it was an
alien with a neon colored brain and a spinal column tail.
And Jane Wolf, who was Cameron's I say, handler, that's
not an accurate term mentor in the Silver Star group.
She said that that was because of Marjorie Cameron. Marjorie
Cameron was messing around with entities in another dimension and
they kept bleeding through, which is exactly what Jack Parsons did,
which is why so many people were upset with him
and why the Collins Elite were in there trying to,
you know, figure out what he was doing and how
to stop it. But anyways, it was through Druks and
a nice nin that Cameron met Kenneth Anger, who you know,
the audience probably knows. His were always a big, a
big He's a filmmaker, the godfather of MTV, like as
far as music videos go. He was one of the
first to depict homosexuality on TV or on movies, I
should say, and he's tied into all the occult stuff
Alistair Crowley. I mean, you could do an entire show
on Kenneth Anger. He might still be alive. I'm not
I'm not sure because he was on Ghost Adventures not
too long ago.
Speaker 7: Didn't you say she also gave drugs to her daughter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, when her daughter Crystal, when she was
nine years old, she gave her LSD. And you know,
curious side note Genesis P. O Ridge, whom I was
in contact with in the last couple of years of
their life. I guess was sort of friends with Crystal
Crystal Cameron. And another curiosity is that Drew Barrymore. You know,
she infamously grew up going to all these parties. You know,
she was getting fed drugs at the age of nine also, and.
Speaker 1: Her dad was in circles with.
Speaker 5: Some of these Yeah, that's right, that's right. And you
know he comes up because he would go to these
payote parties, Cameron and all these other folks, and you
know peyote. It it gets you from Alistair Crowley over
to Aldus Huxley. Yes, and I know you could speak
volumes on Oscar Janniger or Janniger if I repronounce it.
He was he was given LSDD, Alvis Huxley and hanging
out with Tim Leary.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, have you read Bali at all because
he's another guy who used to be in the deep state,
was into Rosicrucianism, and then he came out saying that
the alien stuff is what Christian's called demons. He's another
testament to that theory.
Speaker 5: About doctor Jacques Vallet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then also I haven't read all of his works.
I read some of them. I read Messengers of Deception,
and he talks about how UFOs are a control system, which, uh,
you know, like I said, like, it's hard to it's
hard to convey because my whole thing is with the
alien stuff is I think Father Saraphim Rose was one
hundred percent right. I mean, the dude wrote that book
clear back in the sixties, right, the sixties or seventies
or seventies, yea. And you know he's saying all the
stuff that I had sort of you know, confirmed on
my own analysis before I had read his book, and
I think I think they're on the money. And the
problem today is, you know, I talked to people that
aren't in the truth or community about this kind of stuff,
and there's a lot of there's a lot of kickback
on this idea, and they've done a really good job
through ancient Aliens and all these other shows to really
plant this seed that well, maybe aliens came here and
seeded mankind and maybe pants for me is real and
maybe we should kind of give this a shot. Like
they've done a really good job of that, and you know,
there's all these reasons to support why that worked.
Speaker 1: But well, I would add too that again, a lot
of the same people in the same circles, having the
same experiences. I mean Huxley, I forget which book you mentioned,
but I think I had read him. I think it's
in Gaza. He speaks of LSD like it's a way
to that interacts with what he says Christians called demons.
And you were talking about something, was the Doors of
Perception or one of the other books where you mentioned him,
and I think talking about demons was it.
Speaker 5: I don't remember him specifically talking about demons.
Speaker 1: But maybe it was just Doors of Perception talking about
the LSD opening your up to other spiritual realms.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because drug seems to be you know, and
if you go into all this ritualistic stuff, if you
go into the ideas that and and if you read
Lords of the Left Hand Path, which is another great book.
I always recommend he goes to every single one of
these occult groups. He's left hand path groups.
Speaker 1: And it's not the Stephen Flowers book, right, uh huh.
Speaker 5: Super informative, and and he goes heavy on this idea
of apolloni and dy nicy and ritual and how you
need to prep the mind to make contact with the divine.
They called the divine, you know, because they can't really
call it God because they you know, it's more of
a sort of cosmic consciousness to them. But you have
to prep the mind. And there's two ways of doing that.
You can either overload it or purify it. Basically, that's
the short version of it. And and drugs is one
way of overloading it, you know, drugs, drumming, dancing, all
this stuff, all this stuff they warned you about and footloose,
you know, they're trying to tell you the truth and
or or.
Speaker 7: By trauma, sensory deprivation, starvation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think it wasn't wasn't doctor John Lilly
and all that sensory deprivation and float tanks and all
that wild stuff. Absolutely, yeah, and all and all this
And it's funny because, like you know, I'm the first
one to say that, like Christians come off generally a
little nutty sometimes even though I am a Christian, and uh,
for years I thought they were, you know, being real
satanic panicky about things. But I think there were one
hundred percent right. You know this, we had this weird,
this weird way of you know, I call it sort
of letting the vampires in the front door of And
I'm not I mean, I'm not I'm not saying we
should go picket yoga studios, but like yoga and drugs
and all these different things that used to be really taboo,
we've sort of let that into society. And I'm not
saying that this ain't wrong with it. I just I'm
more of the camp of let's at least understand where
this came from. Like I'm not saying you shouldn't do yoga,
like you know that it has its benefits, don't get
me wrong, but like, at least be aware that you know,
this comes from the idea to yo to unionize with
a higher deed. That's what all these left hand path
tantric folks were doing. That's where it came from. That's
whey Alista Crowley's got a whole book.
Speaker 1: On it, you know, and joined my only fans to
see me in my yogurt pants. I got a question
about Hope. That was a weird one that came up
because you mentioned that Marjorie sent some of her witch
buddies to go hang out with Bob Hope, and that
reminded me of the fact that in Walter Bowart's book
he covers Donald Bain and Candy Jones, and I think
Candy Jones went on when she was first put into
the mind control stuff. She claims that she went on
the USO tour with Bob Hope. And doesn't Kathy O'Brien
say something about Bob Hope too, I think do you
remember anyway, was there did anything come.
Speaker 5: Of that or was she just no, It was just
they were hanging out in that sort of southern California,
La scene in the fifties and sixties, and you know,
and you hear lots of weird stories about this, like
if you read up on Manson stuff, like you know,
he they called him the Mendocino Witches and they would
go show up at people's houses and stuff. And yeah,
Cameron had some some some of her ladies go over
to Bob Hope's house and he was sort of spilling
the beans on how he had seen a bunch of
UFOs too.
Speaker 1: That's right, it was about him seeing ufo.
Speaker 5: It was interesting. Yeah, yeah, and there and there's a
whole bunch of stuff on in the book. It talks
about it confirms that she did. You know, obviously she
was a follower of Crowley on some levels, and she
was partaking of the cakes of Light stuff, which you know,
it fits you into the adream of chrome talk and
the spirit cooking talk. And you know, the cakes of
light are sort of like representative of the Pentagram. It's
the five elements in various forms. And it says in
the book that she took and they call for blood
depending on how you look at it. He Crawley talked
about in the Book of the Law, and he talked
about the magic theory and practice and even talks about
being like the blood of a newborn's the best. But anyway, uh,
she took she she took some menstrual blood in hers
But I find it curious.
Speaker 1: Well that comes out of the Crowley's Gnostic Catholic Church,
and he intended that to be a halfway house to
get people from Christianity halfway into his stuff, because he
didn't think people could jump right from Christianity to full
on Palma. So he kind of had some ideas about
how to ease people in with a version of Catholicism.
That's the Nostochelic church that has a sacrament like the Eucharist,
but it's case of light.
Speaker 5: That's actually a pretty smart strategy. That's an interesting idea
because you know, that's how like the Christian Church got started.
It incorporated some of the pagan stuff at least to
you know, keep the holidays around the same time maybe,
or stuff like that. From what I've read, because there
was such a heavy pagan influence back then, they didn't
want to, I don't know, quit cold turkey. I guess,
I don't know. That's just what i've read.
Speaker 7: Well, Well, speaking of aliens, you mentioned that she's one
of the first ones to talk about DNA is galactic.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, actually yeah, that's and that's
that's Marina Abramovic. She was the one talking about it.
There's a documentary called The Space in Between, and that's
I think it's right now available on Amazon. Prime. I
had to pay for it when I bought it, and
I don't recommend buying it's not that good. But she
in it. She says she's not from this world, you know.
She says she's got galactic DNA. And that's something they've
been pushing through the artists. And again, like you hit
people from every angle with little tiny chunks of this
sort of agenda, and I think people accept it. And
and you know, I hate to sound so fringy. I've
never sounded so fringy in my whole life, but I
do think that they are going to push an alien spirituality.
It's very clear to me that that's where we're headed.
I don't see. I can't be talked out of that. Like,
I'm very certain that that's where we're headed. I don't
know if it's going to happen in five years, ten years,
I would say maximum ten years. We're going to be
introduced to some kind of alien spirituality for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. What was the connection to Dean Stockwell?
Speaker 5: Stockwell? Yeah? And Dean Stockwell is curious because he was
in he was let's see, he okay, So he introduced
Marjorie Cameron to Dennis Hopper and Dennis Hopper he knew
her and said, well, some aspect of how all of
the men that she hooked up with go insane.
Speaker 1: Have you seen Wild at Heart? I mean a Blue Velvet.
Speaker 5: A lot when I was a kid, I saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Dean Stockwell introduces people to Dennis Hopper in
the movie, that's what his character does.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh that's interesting. Yeah, I gotta Readwill that's a
David Lynch.
Speaker 1: Movie, right, Yeah, and Lynch or McGowan says that Stockwell
was in Oto Circles is why he was doing that?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, I want to legister in the.
Speaker 5: Book Well Stockwell he said, I got a quote here
he said, my life's had a great deal of alchemy
and magic. But I frowned upon mister Crowley, a big,
dark frown. I think he was full of shit. And
Dean Stockwell, if you recall, was in the the HP
Lovecraft movie that they're going to remake back in the
Dunwich Horror. It was like back in the sixties or seventies. Uh,
it's it's kind of harder to find. I found it
on Amazon Prime. I think that's where I bought it. Yeah,
but yeah, Dean Stockwell is in there. He plays the
guy who the names escape me now, but he plays
the guy who is trying to basically have aliens have
sex with his girlfriend on a stone authar in the
backyard there. Oh wow, And they're going to remake that movie.
It's actually it's actually a decent movie. But you know
Nick Cage, your boy Nick Cage was in the the
The Color what's it called, The Color out of Space
recently and that's the first remake of an HP love Crab,
and they're gonna be the second one is going to
be the done which her Richard Stanley is going to
do that one as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, speaking of sex with aliens, I came across the
silly YouTube video and I can't remember what it's called
or who made it, but it was this young black
rapper girl who was friends with Grimes. Maybe you guys
can find it if I give you enough details. But
she went out to California to make some music with Grimes,
and she came back and she said, Elon Musk and
them are aliens. I mean, she doesn't know all of this,
she just knows what she saw, but she's convinced that
Grimes and Elon are aliens, and they are a she got.
Speaker 1: Some kind of implant put into her eyes or something weird.
So they're trying to already modify their bodies, right, But she.
Speaker 7: She doesn't even know what she's looking at through the
lens of whatever. But she's convinced that Elon Musk is
an alien.
Speaker 5: Ah, I'm gonna have to look that up. Yeah, if
anyone well finds, I'm curious to hear about that, because
I'm interested in Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: He's got that.
Speaker 5: Neuralink brain transhumanist thing that you know, he's gonna hook
us all up to the internet with, and uh, you know,
and he's got he's got like six kids. The one
kid's name is Damian outside of Grimes, he's got a
bunch of other kids.
Speaker 7: And the one he has with Grimes is named like
x E five some letters.
Speaker 5: It's like archangel ash or something weird.
Speaker 1: Weird dude. Hey, this also once again gets to I
always love bringing things back to counterculture because of course,
as you know, Leary, the one of the gurus of
the of the counterculture, says he was the continuation of
the work of Crowley, And uh, how could you can
you tell us how all the Cameron circles tie into
beach boys and manson.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me see, that's a that's a tough one.
So let me say, let me dig through my notes.
I know beach boys gets connected in because she was
married to Okay, so so let's talk about her husband's here. Okay,
So the one husband she had, her second husband, his
name was Sherry Kimmel. Sheridan went by Sherry and he
he lived in Palm Springs, and he said he had
he said he wrote on a spacecraft. He was having
sex with the aliens, and he was writing stories of
alien women with doing porn stuff. He was doing a
lot of peyote with the local Indians, and he had
a demonic, schizophrenic alter ego that he called ball b
aa L. He also channeled Horis, who did automatic writing.
He was into all the things right. Then after she
moved on from him, she hooked up with the artist
Bert Schoenberg. This is another guy obsessed with UFOs and
extraterrestrial forces. And he started ritualistically burning his art to
prove how woke he was out unattached to his arty was,
which is the same thing we saw Banks he do
two years ago. He had that painting he sold for
I don't know how much, a million bucks or something crazy,
and then it self destructed itself on the wall. But anyways,
he he described Bert Schoenberg. He was described as a
walking mystical experience, and he was known sort of like
the fire starter. He would break fires out at different places,
and he was he was said to be a magnet
of some kind of you know, force from another dimension,
whatever you want to call this. And that's and that's
kind of what the Beach Boys were messing around with.
They had a studio that caught on fire. They had
a song in nineteen sixty seven. Let's see, let me
get them my notes here. Brian Wilson he had a
trip on LSD and they he had this. When they
did the song in the studio, it burned down in
the ground. So he destroyed all the master copies because
they thought that the witchcraft they were messing with became
a sort of pyrokinetic source. And you know, his brother
Dennis Wilson infamously was messing around with Manson, and you know,
Manson got to him through a couple of his ladies
he sent out his way and then Manson moved in
with Dennis Wilson and was hanging out until Dennis Wilson
finally decided to kick him out, and then he got
some death threats and a bullet handed to him and
all this stuff, you know. And Carls Manson himself, he
said he always said he wasn't a hippie. He said
he was he was a beatnik, you know. And uh,
it's funny because the hippies sort of get the bad rap,
but it's the Beatnicks that really kicked all this stuff off,
with the early experimental stuff, with the the drugs and
all this Crowley kind of stuff. Yeah, there was Oh,
I had a good quote here about you know, Bob Dylan.
There was a guy who was you know what's funny
is I just why I just found out the other
day that Bob Dylan was the guy that came up
with that idea of having you know how you know,
I'm an eighties maybe I saw the Nxcess video Michael
Hutcherson's taking all the big giant cards and he's got
the words on it, and he kind of like, yeah, exactly,
and that that came previous to that in the eight
in the early eighties, there was a one hit wonder
band that did it. But previous to them, Bob Dylan
did it back in you know, the sixties or something,
so he was like the first one to do that.
I thought Michael Hodginson came up with that, but it turns.
Speaker 8: Out not Boommuda Bahama Oo, come on pretty mama key
Largo montgo baby, we go down to where the boomers go.
Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, that's boom right there would get into the
beach boys.
Speaker 7: People only give sewer chest when you've seen I think
you should switch.
Speaker 5: Careers and maybe we should do a little solo.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: So yeah, but Bob Dylan, Okay, so here I found
I found the information. So it wasn't a quote. It
was my bad. So the idea here about Marjorie Cameron. Uh.
They in the book it talks about how Bob Dylan
and Jack Kerouak were documenting they were the messengers of
the beat Nick movement. But they weren't. They weren't about
that life. Rogerie Cameron was. She was really living that life.
And they were really pushing the boundaries. I mean, this
is this was they were. They were setting it up
for the hippies. The hippies weren't really like coming up
with anything new. They were just taking what was already done. Yeah,
all the sort of fringy ideas of drug use and
you know, you know, breaking from you know, the Antinomians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the BEATNICKX. We did a good show a few
years ago with my buddy John On. I did two
shows on the occult and esoteric roots of punk music.
I don't I'm not a punk fan, but they had
a lot of info on that, and they talked about
how Burrows had kind of Williams. Burrows was the key
guy in this too, and he he was influential with
Beatnicks and birthing both hippies and punks, which is interesting.
Speaker 5: Oh that is it? Yeah, and and Burrows Genesis p
Oridge was hanging out with Burrows, and uh, you know,
Genesis Porridge was the godfather of in dust for real
rock that you know before long before nine inch Nails.
In fact that you can listen to. Throbbing Gristle was
the name of the band if you listen to their
stuff from I believe it was the late sixties or
early seventies, and if you put yourself in that time,
frame of the other music out then it really was
like revolutionary. I mean, you hear you hear the music
and you're like, man, this is way different than anything
they were doing back then. And then of course, you know,
Jenesis started the Psychic TV band, which became the Temple
of Psychic Youth movement, and they had all these magical
sigil centers all around the world, and you know, they
were doing the same thing we constantly talk about and
trying to sort of manifest through ritual magic, different ideas
and such.
Speaker 7: Well, you mentioned Kenneth Anger was kind of the godfather
of MTV by way of he was one of the
first people to put music on video, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: We didn't inish our thoughts on Kenneth Anger here. That's
kind of a long subject, but.
Speaker 1: We should do a separate show just on Kenneth I'm
not trying to cut you off, but I mean, he's
he's a huge character in all this. And if nobody
has seen the documentary Hollywood Babylon the book, I don't.
I don't think the book's that great, but definitely everyone
should watch the documentary. You can watch it on YouTube
Hollywood Babylon. It's very Revelatory.
Speaker 5: Is that a Kinneth Anger documentary? Yeah, because I've got
the book. I've got his book, and I agree with you.
It's a pretty boring book.
Speaker 1: No, there's like a documentary that in the eighties, seventies
or eighties if somebody made about Kenneth Anger called Hollywood
Babylon It's it's really good. I'll try to put in
the chat here.
Speaker 5: Oh interesting, it's.
Speaker 7: More like a gossip column of like old Hollywood.
Speaker 1: That's not right, but that's not what the documentary is.
The documentary is about like a cult Hollywood.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh nice, Yeah, I agree. The book is is
it reads like a National inquirer from the nineteen twenties
and who's fatty arbox?
Speaker 7: He just going to say, who cares about?
Speaker 5: That's only aim I remember in the book. It was
a real force to get through it. But yeah, Kenneth Anger,
he introduced Marjorie Cameron to you know, he was buddiess
Bobby Bosele, who was the infamous uh killer of Gary
Hinman through Charles Manson. And he also introduced Cameron to
Anton Levy because Anton LeVay was running in these same
circles with Marjorie Cameron in fact called the Curtis Harrington
film Night Tide one of the all time great satanic films.
I don't really understand why I have. I didn't. I
didn't find it to be particularly satanic or anything. I
saw a couple of weird symbols, like they have the
seven seven seven number on the on the wall by
the one guy, And you know, Curtis Harrington said he did,
in fact plant symbolism in his movies. But yeah, I don't.
I don't know why that's cited as one.
Speaker 1: Of them, but it is. I think that's that. It
might be the bb I think it's that BBC one
that I put there U, but I may I'm not
Hunderson positive. That's I thought the documentary with is older.
But anyway, so Marjorie ends up leaving Parsons for Hubbard, right,
So now we can tie this all into the Scientology realm,
because the Croley realm goes directly to Scientology realm. Hubbard
was a fan of Croley for a long time. Can
you speak to that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me, uh, let me see. So are you
are you going back to when Parsons was still alive?
Speaker 1: I don't know. My notes might be out of order.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so so Marjorie Cameron. She at first didn't
like Elron Hubbard, as also Aleister Crowley didn't like Hubbard either,
but apparently Hubbard wrote who wrote Dinetics, of course had
based and the reason Crowley and Cameron didn't like el
Ron Hubbard was because they thought that he had stole
and a lot of the ideas from Parsons and from Crowley.
Uh so they had beef. But then in Cameron's sort
of final days, she changed her tune on el Ron Hubbard,
and I guess embraced him. I don't know to some
levels she changed her mind on that. But Kenneth Anger
the whole time disliked him, called him an elemental demon.
But yeah, l Ron Hubbard, there's a lot of weird.
Uh you know, Jack Parsons called him a natural felamite
and uh he of course, you know, worked as this.
He was this, he was the the the seer, he
was the Edward Kelly to Jack Parsons, of course.
Speaker 1: And this consists into the Tom Kohme real because we
we covered Tom kOhm last night. That's why I was
wanted to bring in Hubbard, was to tie it all together.
The weird cults and Hollywood stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm to be honest, I'm I'm not real smart
on l Ron Hubbard and scientology. I know that's got
the initiation stuff. I know a lot of a lot
of people's a lot of people's names that pop up
with all this research. They seem to have some connection
to scientology, like is Ingle Swann or how put Off?
I guess how put Off from SRI I. He was
a supposedly a level seven operating Thetan. Charles Manson Man
also used to be operating Thetan through his contacts at
McNeil prison, supposedly learned it.
Speaker 1: That's in the Leavenda trilogy about Manson being a full on, clear,
clear level You cool with taking us the super chat sir?
Speaker 5: Yeah? What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Where people ask the questions and they yeah, let's do
That's how we pay the bills. She's got one more.
Speaker 7: Here are the aliens here to help feminism?
Speaker 5: Who said that, no, they're not here to destroy men?
Speaker 9: And when Marjorie thought they were, yeah, oh yeah, she did,
huh yeah she she took up a real real high
calling of feminism Towards the end there, let me dig,
like I said, I've got so many notes on this thing.
Speaker 1: She had a unique take on aliens, that they were
here to bring about the rise of the feminine something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're they're uh, let's see here. I cited a
nineteen sixteen book. I guess she was reading, Women, Women
and Superwoman about feminism viewed from the hermetic standpoint, which
charted the evolutions of AONs where masculine and feminine took
turns with dominant principles in accordance with the cycles of
the zodiac, which ties us into that, you know, the
idea of like the age of Pisces a of Horrus,
because it went a on of isis of horror? Or
isis animal cyrus? Sorry, it's been a long day, you know.
It's the idea of the matriarchy going to the patriarchy
and now it's the next level, which is going above
all of mankind. But she, yeah, she she was definitely
she you know, through her knowledge of sex, magic and
ritual she understood that she she believed that the woman's
place was one of great power through through sex, which
you know, intuitively, like that makes a lot of sense.
And she she thought and much like this attitude of
a lot of these occultists like Crowley, They and even
Anton Levey, they have very very strong opinions about how
people should use their power as much as possible and
not not sort of play nice about things. So, you know,
and and and what became of that, I don't know
in her last days, uh, you know, she she lived
to a pretty old age there, but that was kind
of where things ended for her. She she had transitioned
over to art because again art sort of ties into
this idea of making contact with the mob zone or
making you know, making getting in touch with the creative
side on some levels.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: And then you know, she focused more on feminism, So
I don't know if maybe she became disenfranchised on some
levels with the occult and she sort of you know,
I don't know, it's hard to say what she was thinking.
But that's where where it ended up going for her.
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That's what. In fact, I renamed my Patreon tiars with
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It's a hugely debated thing. I read a few story
short stories. I'm not a big Lovecraft fan, Isaac. Can
you enlighten us on where he was on that story?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's a curious take. And I'm the same way.
I find the imagery of Lovecraft really interesting and I
want to like his works. The movies are usually not
done well. Color out of Space was done pretty well.
But from what I read that is that is accurate
that he in fact, he in fact wasn't he was
more scared of the occult than pro occult, I guess
would be a good uh. From what I recall reading
about him is that he was he was. He was
an atheist. He was a bit nihilistic. That comes through
in his works. Because you know, it's about these these
aliens coming up and devouring mankind. So I think he
was more more terrified of of these occult concepts. I
imagine if he was alive today, he'd be grabbing his pants.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, I love going on. I got
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I don't know if I got linked in a Reddit
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fact that the that my analysis was that I was
talking about the occult. I mean there's references to I
think the Book of the Law is in the movie.
H Now, I was analyzing the movie. I wasn't analyzing
the story by HP Lovecraft. So I think my analysis
of the Krolian elements in the movie are correct because
it's either Kenneth Anger or Kenneth Is it Kenneth Grant,
It's something aig fan of no No in the movie.
A book is seen in the movie in the daughter's bedroom.
She has either Kenneth Grant or cro I think it
was a Book of the Law, so my analysis is correct.
And then everybody in the comments is just like shoot, like,
yes it is in the movie.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 7: But if you read the Satanic Bible, I'm pretty sure
some of the rituals in their church are Lovecraft. I
mean just taking themes from his bo I'm not saying.
Speaker 1: Lovecraft with a slavey probably borrowed from things like that. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 5: Yeah. The uh you know, HP Lovecraft was the I
guess the neck or no Ma con came to him
in a dream. So like I think he had made
contact with this weird plane of strangeness. Uh. And but
he he had said that his knowledge of magic was
limited to whatever was in the encyclopedia. But he he
uh he. I think he was also like asexual, if
I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. And if you look at his face,
you could see what that dude wouldn't get laid anytime soon,
all right? Uh, come on, that's funny. DC customs for
five bucks, he says. Jamie is correct. We need more
beach boys. Man, I don't listen to no beach boomers. Dude,
that ain't min, that ain't min. You know, good good,
I don't know anybody I don't know beach boys songs.
Speaker 5: I know Beach Boys my first concert when I was
a young child at the Hershey Park and pa there,
I saw the Beach Boys with Chicago, and you know,
I was just a young child and I was it
was funny because everyone was knocking the beach balls around
and I was like, oh, this is great. But then
there was like this guy behind us, like all blitzed
out of his mind, and I remember the whole time
just like being freaked out. This guy was gonna, like,
you know, kill me or something or kidnap me or
something weird. But yeah, that was my first concert with
the Beach Boys. So story Dobbs.
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Marjorie Cameron's niece Lauren Cameron, who is on Wikipedia, says
this was my neighbor and good friend while I lived
in Berkeley. He had a lot of interesting things to
say about his aunt. And then it cuts off because
on stream labs, I can't see the whole comment. So
I'm not trying to cheat you, Bob Dobbs, but thank
you for that five dollars and I will look at
this link. Now I can't even look at it. I'll
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gets seduced by another cult leader? Ask Jack Parsons, Yeah exactly.
Connor sends Tim Bucks and he says, muchus grasses, all
rightchus grasses to you, Connor, thank you very much. And
I put Isaac's links into the chat throughout the entire show,
so I hope everybody who popped in was able to
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He's got some good information for sure.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Isaac, I'm about to watch your thing about Beyonce.
Speaker 5: Oh that's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.
I have.
Speaker 1: Jamie has covered Beyonce in all her books.
Speaker 7: I have twenty pages of unused notes on Beyonce. I
wrote a whole chapter on her, but I didn't even
get to all of it. So maybe after I watch
your show and I find those notes, we can have
you back to talk about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we definitely need to talk Beyonce, because I watched
that Black Is King on Disney Plus and I'm surprised
it hasn't gotten more heat than than you know, I
just published the podcast a couple of days ago, So
maybe it's maybe it's it's coming down the tracks. Maybe
I don't know. I'm waiting for it to hit me
like a ton of bricks, because you know, you can't.
In fact, someone on my Patreon was like, hey, there's
a uh, there's an article on Daily Beast talking about
how how you can't sorry gets all their dumb rescue dogs.
Speaker 1: Anyway, he's got his, he's got his Paris Hilton poop steady.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, they're Paris Hilt dogs, exactly. I got. I
got the moment Instagram at Isaac Wishaw you can check out.
I just put a picture of the one. She was
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the Daily Beast they have an article about why is
no one able to have a bad opinion on Beyonce,
which is one hundred percent accurate. She's being used and
propped up for something. Anyway, Yeah, we we definitely need
to talk Beyonce for sure.
Speaker 1: By the way, uh Jamie's book is now added to
the Jaysonnalysis shop, so the link is there if you
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as Hollywood Mind Control, which is also in the shop.
But I had to add it to they had to
put all the crap in there today. So there are
the buttons up and you can order signed copies of
Jamie's books as well as Jamie has her uh whipped
tallow body cream that she makes, So we've added the
products to my shop, so you guys can go check
that stuff out if you want to support uh me
and Jamie in our information and research and work. Thank
you guys, it's a great show. Oh we got another
super chat.
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