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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the quart Side. Quantum Physics Podcast, an exploration

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<v Speaker 1>of the fundamental structure of reality, where quantum laws govern matter, energy,

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<v Speaker 1>and information. Here, uncertainty is a feature, not a flaw,

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<v Speaker 1>and understanding begins at the smallest scales.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that old joke that goes around the physics departments,

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<v Speaker 2>the one where they say nuclear fusion is the energy

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<v Speaker 2>of the future, and well it always will be.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it's basically been the ultimate technological punchline for

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<v Speaker 3>decades now.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, the promise was always, you know, thirty years away.

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<v Speaker 2>It really felt like humanity was stuck on this grueling,

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<v Speaker 2>exhausting run on a treadmill. We're sweating, we're putting in

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<v Speaker 2>the work, but we're just we're never actually stepping forward.

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<v Speaker 3>But something fundamental has shifted there. We are looking at

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<v Speaker 3>a reality that was honestly once a joke. The era

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<v Speaker 3>of limitless energy isn't thirty years away anymore. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>it is happening right now, in twenty twenty five and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty six exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So we really need to look at how human engineering

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<v Speaker 2>finally caught up to the stars, right, Like, why we

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<v Speaker 2>have suddenly stepped off that treadmill and just tread sprinting forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the transition from these theoretical physics experiments into actual

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<v Speaker 3>commercial power plant development is just moving at a blistering pace.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, the mat has finally flipped.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but before we get into the wild milestones that

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<v Speaker 2>just happened, we should probably set a quick baseline for

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<v Speaker 2>you listening, just to make sure we are all looking

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<v Speaker 2>at this through the right lens.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good idea, because you know, you hear

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<v Speaker 3>the word nuclear and a lot of people immediately picture

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<v Speaker 3>massive concrete cooling towers.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, glowing green rods, centuries of radioactive waste. But that's fission.

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<v Speaker 2>Fusion is a completely different beast.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is. Fission is the process of taking heavy,

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<v Speaker 3>unstable atoms like uranium or plutonium and forcing them to

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<v Speaker 3>split apart. It releases a tremendous amount of energy, but

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<v Speaker 3>the leftovers are highly radioactive, long lived waste.

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<v Speaker 2>And it has that chain reaction element right exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Because fission relies on a chain reaction, there's this inherent

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<v Speaker 3>physical risk of it running out of control and causing

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<v Speaker 3>a meltdown. But fusion goes in the exact opposite direction.

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<v Speaker 2>So instead of splitting heavy atoms, you go the other way.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, You take the lightest atoms in the universe and

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<v Speaker 3>smash them together. We use different isotopes or variations of hydrogen,

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<v Speaker 3>specifically deuterium and tritium.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you force them to combine.

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<v Speaker 3>They fuse into helium and in the process they release

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<v Speaker 3>a massive amount of clean energy along with a stray neutron.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're essentially trying to build a tiny star right

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<v Speaker 2>here on Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the exact same physical process. Yeah, inside the Sun,

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<v Speaker 3>immense gravity is the crushing force that pushes hydrogen atoms

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<v Speaker 3>together until they fuse. But well, Earth doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 3>gravity at the Sun, thankfully, right, thankfully. So to compensate

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<v Speaker 3>for that lack of pressure, have to heat the hydrogen

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<v Speaker 3>isotopes to temperatures much hotter than the Sun's core. We're

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<v Speaker 3>talking over one hundred million degrees celsius.

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<v Speaker 2>That is just it's hard to even wrap your head

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<v Speaker 2>around that number. It is.

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<v Speaker 3>At that temperature, the gas turns into a soup of

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<v Speaker 3>electrically charged particles called plasma, and if you can hold

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<v Speaker 3>that plasma together long enough and tight enough, fusion happens.

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<v Speaker 2>And the byproduct is just helium right exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>There are no carbon emissions, no long lived radioactive waste,

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<v Speaker 3>and the fuel can literally be extracted from seawater and lithium.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the holy grail of physics, clean, abundant, virtually limitless energy.

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<v Speaker 2>And the whole reason it was thirty years away for

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<v Speaker 2>so long is because of this brutal mathematical reality called

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<v Speaker 2>net energy gain.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, the energy sink problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it took vastly more energy to run the

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<v Speaker 2>machines that heat and squeeze the plasma than the plasma

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<v Speaker 2>ever gave back. But these recent milestones have actually crossed

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<v Speaker 2>that threshold. They have.

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<v Speaker 3>The turning point for net gain really arrived via a

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<v Speaker 3>few distinct and engineering approaches. One of the primary methods

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<v Speaker 3>is called inertial confinement fusion.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the one with the lasers, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. The flagship facility for this is the National Ignition

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<v Speaker 3>Facility or NIFF out in California. Their approach relies entirely

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<v Speaker 3>laser ray at a tiny pellet of fuel.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so dropping a pellet, not a steady cloud, right.

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<v Speaker 3>A tiny pellet and the resulting fusion reaction produced eight

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<v Speaker 3>point six megajewls of energy output in some of their shots.

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<v Speaker 3>The energy that came out of the pellet was actually

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<v Speaker 3>more than four times the energy of the lasers that

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<v Speaker 2>I need to visualize this, So it's like trying to

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly crush a basketball down to the size of a

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<v Speaker 2>pee by hitting it with I don't know, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ninety two baseball bats at the exact same microsecond

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<v Speaker 2>from every possible angle.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a shockingly accurate analogy. Honestly, the precision required is

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<v Speaker 3>just staggering a fraction of a nano er second off

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<v Speaker 3>or slight imbalance in the laser energy, and the pellet

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<v Speaker 3>just blows apart asymmetrically instead of imploding. Wow, but getting

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<v Speaker 3>four times the energy out of that pellet proves that

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<v Speaker 3>the fundamental physics of ignition are sound.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let me pause you right there because I have

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<v Speaker 2>an obvious question and I'm sure you listening, or what

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<v Speaker 2>are the exact same thing? Okay, go ahead. If NIF

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<v Speaker 2>is putting in one unit of energy and getting four

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<v Speaker 2>units back, why aren't our houses powered by giant lasers

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<v Speaker 2>right now? Like? Why is the grid still struggling.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, right, it comes down to the critical difference between

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<v Speaker 3>plasmaet gain and overall system efficiency. NIF achieved plasma.

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<v Speaker 2>Net gain, meaning just the pellet itself exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The fuel pellet itself produced four times more energy than

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<v Speaker 3>the laser light that directly hit it. But to generate

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<v Speaker 3>that laser light, NUFF relies on one hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 3>two stadium sized lasers built with nineteen nineties technology.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, so the power dramas be insane.

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<v Speaker 3>It's enomous. The electricity required from the California grid just

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<v Speaker 3>to charge up the capacitor banks and fire those massive

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<v Speaker 3>lasers is staggering. When you zoom out and look at

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<v Speaker 3>the whole building, the system is still operating at a

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<v Speaker 3>massive energy loss.

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<v Speaker 2>So NIFF is this incredible scientific coving ground. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a blueprint for a practical, plug and play commercial power.

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<v Speaker 3>Plant, right, it's not a power plant design.

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<v Speaker 2>So the physics inside the tiny pellet works beautifully, but

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<v Speaker 2>the heavy machinery surrounding it is terribly inefficient, which explains

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<v Speaker 2>why there is a completely different approach to building a star,

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<v Speaker 2>one that doesn't use lasers at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, magnetic confinement Instead of blasting Appeller, you use magnets

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<v Speaker 3>to trap a super hot, continuous cloud of plasma inside

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<v Speaker 3>a giant doughnut shaped chamber. These machines are called dokomax,

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<v Speaker 2>Performance leaps there in late twenty twenty five have been

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<v Speaker 3>Too, right, unbelievable really. China operates a tokamac called the

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<v Speaker 3>East Reactor. They refer to it as their artificial Sun. Recently,

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<v Speaker 3>East managed to maintain a statle plasma at extreme densities

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<v Speaker 3>that pushed right past the Greenwald limit.

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<v Speaker 2>The Greenwald limit that is essentially the theoretical traffic jam

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<v Speaker 2>limit for plasma. Right. Basically, yeah, if you try to

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<v Speaker 2>pack too many particles into the magnetic donut, they just

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<v Speaker 2>crash into each other, destabilize, and the whole reaction fizzles out.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the operating assumption for decades. It was viewed

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<v Speaker 3>as this hard ceiling for how dense and powerful a

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<v Speaker 3>tokemac could get. But East didn't just break that ceiling.

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<v Speaker 3>They sustain those dense, high temperature pulses for over one

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, over one thousand seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, holding a violently hot star steady for over a

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<v Speaker 3>quarter of an hour without it touching the walls or

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<v Speaker 3>collapsing is just a monumental feet of control. France's West

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<v Speaker 3>Reactor in South Korea's k Star are seeing similar breakthroughs.

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<v Speaker 2>But even with these records, the traditional magnetic donut has

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<v Speaker 2>a fundamental flaw which brings us to honestly the weirdest

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<v Speaker 2>machine in the physics world, the Stellar Rator.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a crazy design.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like someone took a normal tokamac and violently

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<v Speaker 2>twisted it like a pretzel. It genuinely looks like modern art.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait before we talk about the twist, why does a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect donut leak in the first place.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, in a perfectly symmetrical doughnut, the magnetic field isn't uniform.

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<v Speaker 3>The magnetic coils are bunched closer together on the inner

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<v Speaker 3>hole of the doughnut and spread further apart on.

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<v Speaker 2>The outer edge, so it's stronger on the inside track.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, the magnetic field is much stronger on the inside

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<v Speaker 3>track than the outside track. Because of that imbalance, the

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<v Speaker 3>charged plasma particles naturally want to drift outward, like.

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<v Speaker 2>A car taking a corner way too fast and sliding.

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<v Speaker 3>Toward the guardrail, precisely to stop the plasma from hitting

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<v Speaker 3>the outer wall. A traditional tokmac has to induce a

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<v Speaker 3>massive electrical current directly through the plasm itself to hold

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<v Speaker 3>it together, and sustaining that internal current for long periods

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<v Speaker 3>is incredibly difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>So how does the twisted pretzel fix that?

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<v Speaker 3>A stellarator like Germany's Vandelstein seven X or W seven

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<v Speaker 3>X solves this outward drift with geometry by physically twisting

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<v Speaker 3>the magnetic field coils into a highly complex, non axisymmetric shape.

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<v Speaker 3>The magnetic track itself constantly alternates Oh icy yeah. A

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<v Speaker 3>particle drifting outward on one curve is immediately twisted to

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<v Speaker 3>the inside on the next curve. The geometry literally cancels

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<v Speaker 3>out the drift, so.

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<v Speaker 2>The plasma essentially holds itself together just by following the

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<v Speaker 2>twisted track. You don't need to pump it full of

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<v Speaker 2>internal electrical currents.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, It makes the plasma inherently stable. Calculating the exact

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<v Speaker 3>shape of those twisted magnets took massive supercomputers, but the

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<v Speaker 3>results just speak for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>What did W seven X actually achieve?

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty twenty five, W seven X achieved a record

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<v Speaker 3>one point eight gigajewels of energy turnover, holding the plasma

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<v Speaker 3>steady for extended periods with zero internal current required. It

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<v Speaker 3>strongly suggests the stellar rator might be the ultimate architecture

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<v Speaker 3>for a commercial power plant.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it needs to run twenty four hours a day

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and sixty five days a year without interruption.

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<v Speaker 2>But whether you are building a symmetrical doughnut or a

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<v Speaker 2>twisted pretzel, there was this massive bottleneck. Historically, these magnetic

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<v Speaker 2>reactors had to be colossal, literally the size of sports

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<v Speaker 2>stadiums just to generate a strong enough field to squeeze

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<v Speaker 2>the plasma. Yeah, was a huge issue. But recently a

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<v Speaker 2>breakthrough in an entirely different field radically altered the physics

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<v Speaker 2>of fusion high temperature superconducting magnets, or HTS.

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<v Speaker 3>The arrival of HTS magnets completely rewrote the timeline in

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<v Speaker 3>a magnetic confinement reactor. The strength of your magnetic field

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<v Speaker 3>dictates how tightly you can squeeze the plasma. The tighter

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<v Speaker 3>the squeeze, the hotter it gets, and the more fusion

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<v Speaker 2>So it scales exponentially.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, the scaling is exponential. For decades, we relied on

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<v Speaker 3>low temperature superconductors. They worked, but they hit a hard

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<v Speaker 3>physical limit on how strong a magnetic field.

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<v Speaker 2>They could generate. And HTS changes that.

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<v Speaker 3>High temperature superconductors can generate dramatically stronger magnetic fields without

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<v Speaker 3>losing their superconducting properties. Because a stronger magnet squeezes the

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<v Speaker 3>plasma so much more efficiently. You can radically shrink the

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<v Speaker 2>Of the reactor, so you don't need a stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>And the moment that happened, the economics just changed overnight.

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<v Speaker 3>For a long time, fusion was synonymous with massive, slow,

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<v Speaker 3>bureaucratic public efforts. The prime example is Eider, currently being

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<v Speaker 2>France, the big international one. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Eider is a marvel of human cooperation. You know, thirty

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<v Speaker 3>the massive magnetic pillars, but it's slow. It is fundamentally

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<v Speaker 3>a research facility. Its goal is to produce five hundred

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<v Speaker 3>It's methodical and slow.

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<v Speaker 2>But because of HTS magnets, private start is realized. They

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, we're seeing over ten billion dollars invested globally

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<v Speaker 3>The speed of the private sector is breathtaking. Take Commonwealth

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<v Speaker 3>They are aggressively leveraging HTS magnets to assemble a compact

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<v Speaker 3>to COMAC called Spark near Boston, and their timeline is aggressive,

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<v Speaker 3>very They are aiming for first plasma by twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Their goal isn't just to turn the machine on. They

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<v Speaker 2>Iter, and Spark isn't even the end goal, right, it's

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, IRC would be a four hundred megawatt facility capable

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<v Speaker 2>And to move that fast, they aren't relying on trial

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<v Speaker 3>The integration of the tech industry goes even deeper than simulation.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at companies like Helium Energy out in Washington State.

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<v Speaker 3>They are taking a completely different magneto in inertial approach

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<v Speaker 2>But the backing is the interesting part.

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<v Speaker 3>They already have a signed power purchase agreement to supply

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<v Speaker 3>Microsoft with fifty megawatts of fusion electricity by twenty twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Which perfectly sets up the massive reality driving this entire

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<v Speaker 2>gold rush. Why is big tech suddenly pouring billions into

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<v Speaker 2>building stars. I look at the current state of artificial

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence like a brilliant but endlessly hungry teenager who has

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>And this teenager is eating absolutely everything in the fridge.

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<v Speaker 2>The grids simply cannot handle the appetite.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it can't. The energy demands of AI data centers

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<v Speaker 3>are excluding at a rate that traditional utili cannot accommodate.

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<v Speaker 3>A standard server rack in a normal data center might

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty manageable, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But an AI optimized rack packed with high end GPUs

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<v Speaker 3>processing neural networks draws a staggering fifty to one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>It's an order of magnitude hire and hyperscale.

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<v Speaker 3>AI facilities containing thousands of these racks are being built

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<v Speaker 3>all over the globe. Projections show that US data centers

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<v Speaker 3>alone could consume nine percent of the nation's total electricity

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<v Speaker 3>by twenty thirty nine percent.

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<v Speaker 2>That places immense strain on existing power grids. It does.

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<v Speaker 3>Wind and solar are crucial, but they are intermittent. They

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred and forty seven unwavering base load power. If

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<v Speaker 3>a power fluctuation causes a massive AI training run to fail.

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<v Speaker 3>It costs millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So fusion becomes the only grocery store. They can keep

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<v Speaker 2>carbon emissions. It's compact, it's dispatchable, and it's completely zero

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<v Speaker 2>carbon d theoretic drop a four hundred megawatt fusion plant

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<v Speaker 2>right next to a hyperscale data center in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of a desert, completely independent of the weather or local

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<v Speaker 2>coal plants. Tech giants are funding fusion because they realized

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<v Speaker 2>it's a critical infrastructure requirement for their own survival.

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<v Speaker 3>The terrestrial application is driving the funding absolutely, but the

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<v Speaker 3>extreme physics required to boil water for AI servers is

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<v Speaker 3>inadvertently unlocking capabilities that extend far beyond the electrical grid.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where things transition from highly practical to something

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<v Speaker 2>straight out of a science fiction novel. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the deep space implications first. Because chemical rockets are hitting

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<v Speaker 3>They really are. In rocketry, we talk about specific impulse.

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<v Speaker 3>You can think of it as the miles per gallon

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<v Speaker 3>rating of a space ship engine. Chemical rockets have terrible

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<v Speaker 2>So they burn too fast right.

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<v Speaker 3>To go fast, you have to burn a massive amount

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<v Speaker 3>It's a vicious cycle, and solar power becomes practically useless

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<v Speaker 2>It's like trying to cross the Pacific Ocean in a

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<v Speaker 3>A fusion reactor solves this entirely. Concepts like the direct

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<v Speaker 3>fusion drive being developed by companies like Pulsar Fusion change

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<v Speaker 2>How does it work?

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<v Speaker 3>A fusion rocket provides incredibly high specific impulse, meaning it

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<v Speaker 3>But crucially, because it's a power plant, it also provides

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<v Speaker 2>So if we swap chemical explosions for a fusion drive,

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<v Speaker 2>how much faster does the solar system become.

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<v Speaker 3>A fusion drive could potentially cut travel times to Mars

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<v Speaker 3>from the standards seven or eight months down to mere

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<v Speaker 3>weeks or a couple of months. It completely opens up

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<v Speaker 3>the Outer Solar System.

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<v Speaker 2>That's game changing for NASA.

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<v Speaker 3>Highly interesting to them. Yes, because it enables sustained ecpsleration.

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<v Speaker 3>You could send crude missions out to the asteroid belt,

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<v Speaker 3>or establish operations to mine helium three from the upper

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<v Speaker 2>Like Jupiter, which could then be shipped back to fuel

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<v Speaker 2>even more advanced fusion reactors. Okay, reducing Mars to a

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<v Speaker 2>month long trip is unbelievable, But even interstellar travel isn't

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<v Speaker 2>the wildest scientific byproduct emerging right now.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about the concept coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>the University of Cincinnati because when I realized what they

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<v Speaker 2>were proposing, my jaw actually dropped. They are suggesting that

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<v Speaker 2>we can use these commercial fusion power plants to hunt

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<v Speaker 2>for dark matter.

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<v Speaker 3>This represents a breath taking overlap between energy production and

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<v Speaker 3>fundamental particle physics. We have the Standard Model of Physics,

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<v Speaker 3>the sub atomic universe works.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's missing something.

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<v Speaker 3>It has a glaring hole. It cannot explain dark matter.

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<v Speaker 3>Dark matter makes up about eighty five percent of all

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<v Speaker 3>but it's entirely invisible. It rarely, if ever, interacts with

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<v Speaker 2>So how on earth is a machine built to power

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft Data Center help us find the invisible skeleton of

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<v Speaker 3>It comes down to the extreme environment inside the reactor wall.

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<v Speaker 3>In a deuterium tritium fusion reaction, a massive flux of

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<v Speaker 3>high energy neutrons is thrown outward from the plasmak. To

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<v Speaker 3>capture that energy, the interior walls of the reactor are

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<v Speaker 3>lined with what are called lithium breeding blankets. The neutrons

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<v Speaker 3>smash into the lithium, generating intense heat to make electricity.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's the power part.

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<v Speaker 3>But theoretical physicists realize that in that chaotic high energy

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<v Speaker 3>collision zone, the neutrons hitting the reactor walls could trigger

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly rare nuclear processes. These processes might generate a hypothetical

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, an axion, I've seen that term thrown around in

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<v Speaker 2>theoretical physics papers, but I thought it was completely hypothetical.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you saying a power plant could just accidentally manufacture them?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, axions are ultra light particles that currently stand as

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<v Speaker 3>one of the leading candidates for what dark matter actually is.

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<v Speaker 3>And the massive continuous neutron bombardment inside a commercial fusion

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<v Speaker 3>plant could inadvertently turn the reactor into a giant axion factory.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me make sure I'm wrapping my head around this.

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<v Speaker 2>We build a machine to generate electricity for AI algorithms.

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<v Speaker 2>Inside that machine, we recreate the core of a star,

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<v Speaker 2>and as a completely accidental byproduct of the exhaust hitting

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<v Speaker 2>the wall, we might be spewing out the very particles

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<v Speaker 2>that make up eighty five percent of the universe. We

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<v Speaker 2>could just set up a dedicated dark matter detector right

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<v Speaker 2>next door in the parking lot to catch them.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much. Yeah. It transforms a notoriously difficult theoretical physics

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<v Speaker 3>as a particle accelerator, exploring physics beyond the standard model.

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<v Speaker 2>That's wild.

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<v Speaker 3>It echoes how early nuclear fission reactors in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>five provided profound insights into quantum mechanics simply because scientists

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<v Speaker 3>finally had a machine that produced enough localized radiation to study.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, awe inspiring. We are hunting for the fundamental

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<v Speaker 2>nature of reality as a side hustle to powering server farms,

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<v Speaker 2>but as incredible as axion factories in Mars rockets are.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to get totally lost in the stars here, right.

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<v Speaker 3>We still have work to do here.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to bring this back down to Earth because

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<v Speaker 2>bringing these artificial suns to life still requires overcoming some

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<v Speaker 2>very physical, highly unglamorous engineering hurdles.

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<v Speaker 3>The reality of the timeline is completely grounded in these hurdles.

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<v Speaker 3>Proving the physics of net gain was just the first step. Next,

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<v Speaker 3>we have to demonstrate a sustained high Q.

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<v Speaker 2>Factor Q factor meaning the point where the plasma is

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<v Speaker 2>hot enough that the fusion reaction largely heats itself, allowing

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<v Speaker 2>you to turn off the external lasers or heating magnets.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly a self sustaining burn. Furthermore, we have to perfect

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<v Speaker 3>the tritium breeding process. Tritium, one of the hydrogen isotopes

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<v Speaker 3>we use for fuel, is incredibly rare on Earth, but

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<v Speaker 3>an external supply chain. They must breed their own tritium

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<v Speaker 3>fuel continuously by using those lithium blankets we just discussed.

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<v Speaker 3>If the blanket fails to breed enough tritium, the reactor

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the materials challenge. If you listening are

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<v Speaker 2>think about trying to build a thermos to hold a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of the literal sun. The sun doesn't just melt

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<v Speaker 2>the inside of the thermos. The sheer bombardment of neutrons

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<v Speaker 3>It really is the defining engineering challenge of our time.

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<v Speaker 3>The interior wall of a reactor is subjected to heat,

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<v Speaker 3>fluxes and neutron degradation that would vaporize most known metals instantly.

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<v Speaker 2>So how are we fixing that?

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<v Speaker 3>Laboratories like MIT's Lab for Materials and Nuclear Technologies are

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<v Speaker 3>working overtime to develop advanced tongues to cladding and novel

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<v Speaker 3>alloys that can withstand this environment. If the materials degrade

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<v Speaker 3>too quickly, the economic viability of the entire power plant.

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<v Speaker 2>Collapses because you'd have to constantly shut it down, open

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<v Speaker 2>it up, and rebuild the inner wall, and nobody is

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<v Speaker 2>going to finance a billion dollar power plant if it

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<v Speaker 2>has to be shut down for maintenance every six months.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely not so. Considering the hurdles the self heating plasma,

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<v Speaker 2>the self sustaining, trading, breeding, and surviving the atomic degradation.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the actual realistic timeline we are looking at.

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<v Speaker 3>The consensus among the optimistic but realistic experts is that

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<v Speaker 3>we will see functional pilot plants proving continuous net energy

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<v Speaker 3>gain and grid viability in the late twenty twenties and

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<v Speaker 3>early twenty thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right around the corner, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And from there the commercial rollout, where we start seeing

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<v Speaker 3>fleets of these compact fusion plants actually replacing coal and

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<v Speaker 3>gas facilities, will scale up aggressively throughout the twenty thirties

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<v Speaker 3>and twenty forties.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible. The treadmill is officially off. We are sprinting

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<v Speaker 2>toward a future where we have successfully bottled a star,

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<v Speaker 2>which leads us with a pretty profound thought to chew

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<v Speaker 2>on as we wrap up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a big shift.

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<v Speaker 2>For all of human history, our development, our conflicts, and

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<v Speaker 2>our daily lives have been defined by resource scarcity wars,

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<v Speaker 2>are fought over oil fields, ancient rivers are damned and

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<v Speaker 2>destroyed for power, and we burn millions of years of

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<v Speaker 2>compressed ancient forests in the form of coal just to

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<v Speaker 2>keep the lights on and stop from freezing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always been about limits.

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<v Speaker 2>If fusion successfully decarbonizes the world and provides virtually infinite,

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<v Speaker 2>clean energy from a cup of seawater, it removes one

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<v Speaker 2>of humanity's greatest historical constraints, the ultimate limit on what

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<v Speaker 2>we can do and how much energy we can expand

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<v Speaker 2>doing it just vanishes, absolutely vanishes. The question you have

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<v Speaker 2>to ask yourself is, when we finally have a star

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<v Speaker 2>in a bottle, will we use that limitless power merely

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<v Speaker 2>to run our AI algorithms faster, generating better targeted ads

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<v Speaker 2>and synthetic videos, or will we use it to step

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<v Speaker 2>out into the cosmos and solve the remaining eighty five

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the universe's mysteries.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the ultimate choice humanity is going to face.

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<v Speaker 2>Something to ponder as you look up at the actual

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<v Speaker 2>stars tonight,
