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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It is Thursday, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about pop culture and Bravo. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've got an expert today. His name is Jason Zephyr.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I saying that right. You're saying that right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Zephyr, and he is a pop culture expert and

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<v Speaker 1>a Bravo expert.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, yes, definitely. I love Bravo. Real Housewives

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<v Speaker 2>of New York City is not only one of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite Bravo shows, are my favorite housewife entry into the franchise,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's one of my favorite all time shows. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a comfort watch if I'm ever homesick, I am putting

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<v Speaker 2>on like season six of Real Housewives of New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you live in New York?

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<v Speaker 2>I do live in New York. I've been here for

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, okay. Now you are also a writer.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a writer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, You've written a really good book called Zombies of

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<v Speaker 1>the Upper east Side. Okay, tell me about this book

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like a campy It's like a take on

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<v Speaker 1>these like Upper east Side like fancy ladies, but then

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<v Speaker 1>there's like a zombie apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So it's it's a horror comedy. It's definitely campy

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<v Speaker 2>in all the best ways. I really lean into that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's about an Upper east Side lady. Her

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<v Speaker 2>name is Charmaine Starling. She's kind of a typical kind

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<v Speaker 2>of society lady. She married into a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's going through divorce. Her husband cheated on her.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like he has separated. He's holed up in a

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<v Speaker 2>suite of rooms at the Carl Hotel with his mistress.

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<v Speaker 2>With his mistress, and so they're going through a divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she didn't have any money in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was all him and his family land. So

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<v Speaker 2>now they're trying to make sure that she doesn't leave

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<v Speaker 2>the marriage with anything. So she also has like that

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<v Speaker 2>stink on her of she's gonna be broke. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>So all the Upper east Side lady, she's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a priya. Now, Now, if that wasn't bad enough,

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<v Speaker 2>if she wasn't already just stressed out about not, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving her marriage with nothing and maybe going back to Yonkers,

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<v Speaker 2>which is where she was originally from, God forbid, If

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't bad enough, the Upper East side is painted

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<v Speaker 2>as a place where all kinds of weird stuff can happen,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is a little bit of a weird place.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it has the highest propensity or or population

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<v Speaker 2>of billionaires per capitist square mile than anywhere else in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, so it's a very Yeah, so it's a

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<v Speaker 2>very There's also like Park Avenue is like Billionaires Row,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like the highest number of billionaires to exist

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere in the world and like such a small place. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So if all that wasn't bad enough, there's some weird

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<v Speaker 2>things going on in the background. In the first half

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<v Speaker 2>of the book, people are getting sick, there's like a

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<v Speaker 2>another sort of illness going on, bodies are missing from

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<v Speaker 2>the morgue, and then like in the middle of it,

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<v Speaker 2>she wakes up and it's a full on zombie apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of funny watching these kinds of ladies

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like fight against you know, the zombies, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're a little bit scrappier than you would think.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, isn't that always the case with our housewives?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's a character in the book whose name

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<v Speaker 1>is oddly enough, Margot Pain, not to be confused with

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Pain. But as I read the book, I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, I don't want my name to be

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<v Speaker 1>so closely associated with this guta rat lady. Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the interesting thing about that character in particular, like

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<v Speaker 2>she is her. So her name is Margot Pain. She

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<v Speaker 2>was married to a doctor, she divorced. She's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>of like a warning to what could happen to Charmaine.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what's interesting about that character they called they call

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<v Speaker 2>her the Upper Upper east Side spit Her, And that's

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<v Speaker 2>based on a real person. There was a real person

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<v Speaker 2>on the Upper east Side who was with her shopping carts.

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<v Speaker 2>She was unhoused individual, and they ended up finding and

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<v Speaker 2>she would like spit on children or you know, sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like young upstarts. She was not a happy lady. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they ended up finding out that she, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she was divorced and she had had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>money at one point. So I sort of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a minor character in the story. But I when

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<v Speaker 2>I was writing the book, I read and I watched

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<v Speaker 2>everything to do with the Upper east Side. So I

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<v Speaker 2>tried to absorb as much as I could. And I

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<v Speaker 2>had heard that story and I just wanted to incorporate

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<v Speaker 2>it in some way into the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Well, it unfortunately is very close to my name,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's okay. You didn't know me at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So and I love I love the name Pain too,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because it can mean so many things, and

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<v Speaker 2>it can be taken literally not literally, like I I

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<v Speaker 2>really like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a family name and in my family obviously

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I've got it. But you know, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>Payne Stewart, There's uh it was a famous golfer. There's

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<v Speaker 1>Payne Lindsay who's a famous podcaster. And I have a

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<v Speaker 1>nephew that said his next child he wants to send

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<v Speaker 1>the child Pain as a boy. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here to tell you it's going.

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<v Speaker 2>To be rough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, rough, it'll be rough to have that name, but

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<v Speaker 1>go go for it, go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Now you have got a very popular Instagram. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always obsessed with people who get like a huge following

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram because I'm out here, like hour myself out

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<v Speaker 1>for every follower.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I'm proud. I feel like I'm in that

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<v Speaker 2>in that sort of box. Now because a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things have changed over the last few months, when they

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<v Speaker 2>had that big purge, I lost I don't know a

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<v Speaker 2>crazy amount, but like a thousand followers, and my growth

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<v Speaker 2>sort of stopped, and it stopped right when I was

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<v Speaker 2>launching the book. So that wasn't That wasn't great, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay. I still have a lot of followers. I

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<v Speaker 2>got those because I do things like right now, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing one hundred days of Buffy because I love Buffy

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<v Speaker 2>Vampire Slayer and I was devastated when Hulu canceled the reboot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I do things like that. I've had like Martha

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<v Speaker 2>Mondays where I do some sort of post about Martha

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<v Speaker 2>Stewart because I love her, funny Lady Friday because I

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<v Speaker 2>love funny women. They're probably the people that have inspired

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<v Speaker 2>me the most of anybody. Yeah, so things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>And oh also, I think it's and I just literally

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<v Speaker 2>saw this yesterday, so it's like fresh in my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Every so often, somebody pops up and I'm like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>they follow me. So yesterday it was Wendy McClendon Covey

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<v Speaker 2>follows me. I'm like, what when did that happen? I

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<v Speaker 2>love her, I love her so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I love her. Yeah, that's cool. Now. Sonia Morgan commented

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<v Speaker 1>on your book does she follow you?

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<v Speaker 2>She does not follow me. Oddly enough, not many of

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Housewives follow me. I think only Jules Wainstein,

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<v Speaker 2>who was on one season, but yeah, I really liked her.

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<v Speaker 2>She follows me, but none of the other og rony women,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a little disappointing because I love them so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited for the Golden Life coming out. I

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<v Speaker 2>love them so much that they may have worked their

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<v Speaker 2>way into my book.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to read it to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess yes, you will have to read it to

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<v Speaker 2>find out. But I find it very interesting that Sonia Morgan,

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't follow me, commented on my book post when

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<v Speaker 2>I announced the book, saying congratulations. She also liked bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of other posts. But I find it very interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>there may be a character in my book whose name

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<v Speaker 2>is Sylvia, and she might live on the Upper east Side,

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<v Speaker 2>and she might live in a crumbling townhouse. She might

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<v Speaker 2>also be allegedly broke. She may have a daughter, and

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<v Speaker 2>she may be divorced from a very old man who

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<v Speaker 2>left her for her friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Does she have a storage unit full of old birkins?

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<v Speaker 2>She sold them already. Okay, she doesn't have a bag

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<v Speaker 2>to her name? Does she her basement? You don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to go in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Basement, No Crisco, no basics. Oh so funny. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Sony Morgan, Now let's talk about the I keep calling

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<v Speaker 1>it the Golden Years. Is it called the Golden Life?

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<v Speaker 2>The Golden the Golden Life? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? The New Roney spin off on each Yeah, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the Golden Life, like the well yes, but first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>like when is it coming? Because now they're adding like

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret and some other people which I love in kandas

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<v Speaker 1>push and all like great, but yeah, I assume they're

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<v Speaker 1>coming in as like a friend of like, uh, they're

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<v Speaker 1>just like letting us know that they're coming in as

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<v Speaker 1>like side characters to visit. But what are we getting

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<v Speaker 1>this show?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? So, from what I've read and from what I understand,

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<v Speaker 2>filming went really well. So he wanted to add some

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<v Speaker 2>more episodes, and it was summer in the Hampton's and

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<v Speaker 2>Ramona and Luann are already there, so then they had

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to add Margaret Joseph's I guess she had

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<v Speaker 2>originally been in talks about being on the show, but

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<v Speaker 2>she was on some other show on Amazon that's coming out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I guess she couldn't have been in it. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I think she actually makes sense. I wasn't like a

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<v Speaker 2>huge fan of her in New Jersey, but she has,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, established relationships with Ramona and with leu Anne,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I think and Durinda, and so I think

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense. I'm totally okay with that. Candice Bush Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I love Sex and the City was also an inspiration

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<v Speaker 2>to the book because the early seasons are very centered

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<v Speaker 2>on the Upper east Side. I mean, they're Part two

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<v Speaker 2>of my book is called Scourge in the City, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there are definitely references to that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm excited to see her. So, from what I understand,

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<v Speaker 2>filming went really well, so they wanted to add some

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<v Speaker 2>more episodes during the summer, but I think we're getting

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<v Speaker 2>it in the fall. I think it's a really quick turnaround.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe there will be a little bit of a break

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<v Speaker 2>so for editing, but I'm pretty sure we're getting this

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<v Speaker 2>in the fall.

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<v Speaker 1>I would imagine they don't want to go up against

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<v Speaker 1>Ultimate Girls' Trip because that's a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 1>same audience, or you know, and maybe they want to

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<v Speaker 1>wait till the new Roney season comes out and give

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<v Speaker 1>it a minute and you know, piggyback off of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Really Yeah, and I think I think it's a good

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<v Speaker 2>time for it to come out regardless. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think Ultimate Girls Trip. I think that comes out like

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<v Speaker 2>August tenth or something like that, And there probably won't

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<v Speaker 2>be a lot of episodes. If it goes by previous seasons,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll probably be what six episodes something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was gonna say, I was going to say eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember, though. Those are quick seasons. And for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everybody says that it'll be great, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think everybody else because we'll watch anything on Bravo. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>the problem is going to be sort of to get

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<v Speaker 2>I think there is. I mean people, there's definitely buzz

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<v Speaker 2>about it. People are excited to see it. People wanted

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<v Speaker 2>the Ogs to come back to Bravo for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 2>I did too. I freaking love that show. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't I don't know, I don't know why Bravo didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do it. What do you think about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my question for you is I'm sure you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>the new Rony trailer for the new season with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got Si, We've got Jessel, we've got Carol Radziwell

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, right, Si and Jessel and Aaron, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we have some new people and Carol Radswell. I listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been fooled by a trailer before where I've been like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be the best thing, and then it sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought the trailer looked amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the trailer looked amazing too. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>last two seasons. I watched them, so it wasn't completely

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<v Speaker 2>last season was really kind of dark and a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not I'm actually a little bit surprised that it

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<v Speaker 2>even survived, that's to tell you the truth. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the trailer looks really good. I'm interested in

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<v Speaker 2>seeing what happens. It seems like they may have been

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<v Speaker 2>trying to be too much like the old Ronian or

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<v Speaker 2>and the two seasons that they had. It does seem

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe their brand off a little bit more, which

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<v Speaker 2>is sort of ironic because Carol Radziwell is joining, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm interested in seeing her on the show. I always

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<v Speaker 2>liked her. We do see, we'll see, and then sighs

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<v Speaker 2>going crazy about the Jeffrey absteeing things, And yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think she. I don't think Carol expected that going

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<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't expect she. She thinks she'd be called

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<v Speaker 1>out on the street for that. And Si, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>just like they announced she's getting a divorce, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>right as they were filling. So we always love a

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<v Speaker 1>divorce during one of our Housewives seasons. It makes it spicy, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, because she's like angry and she's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Carol's gonna get it. It looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of divorce, you know Salt Lake City, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>their either filming or have wrapped, and I imagine we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be because they usually launch that in the winter.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like to go with the Salt Lakes theme. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but we've got three divorces going on there. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>got the Angie k separation. The Angik just really like

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<v Speaker 1>that took me down. I was upsetting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, except when I watched the last season when they

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<v Speaker 2>did have scenes together with their child. Like, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you can see that there's a disconnect. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>probably became more of a friendship rather than like a

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<v Speaker 2>romantic relationship. Okay, interesting, that's kind of like I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>I I vividly sort of remember thinking that when I

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<v Speaker 1>It seems I see what you're saying. That they seemed

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<v Speaker 1>more like because they are like business partners and the

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<v Speaker 1>I think this happens a lot when you have a

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<v Speaker 1>new franchise starting that. I think the husbands are always

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<v Speaker 1>pretty stunned when focus turns on them, like like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like wait, why why is anybody asking what I'm doing?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, because I definitely than Seth. It definitely happened

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<v Speaker 1>bron went and Todd, and of course Todd did not

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, he was terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>So Sean, I think, was very stunned to find that

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<v Speaker 1>people were now chatting about his sexuality and this, that

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<v Speaker 1>and the other. So that wasn't great for their marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably no, it probably yeah, yeah, for sure, definitely not good.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Cosby susband too, just it was like nope, I'm out.

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<v Speaker 1>I live in Florida. Now fuck this.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like, no, there's only Lisa's husband, Lisa's husband and

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<v Speaker 2>Meredith's susband. They're the only They're the last one standing.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you think about Lisa's post with her and

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<v Speaker 1>John Barlow and like matching jeans and white T shirts

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<v Speaker 1>with their Veta tequila in their hand, being like still

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was kind of bitchy, but like in

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<v Speaker 2>the best possible way. Clearly she must not be on

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<v Speaker 2>good terms with Angie k right now, because that's rubbing

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<v Speaker 2>it in a little bit. But I wouldn't expect anything

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<v Speaker 2>less from her. But I still love her.

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<v Speaker 1>I love her too. I thought it was not nice. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you definitely nice, sort of like haha, I'm still married

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<v Speaker 1>and you're not. I mean, I don't know, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was very sad about that. But it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a great season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. I like Salt Lake. I think it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they still have a lot of story left

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<v Speaker 2>in them. Oh yeah, I'm curious what this new season

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be like because it starts filming like

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<v Speaker 2>literally right after Mary's Son past. Yeah, it's that's.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot. Yeah, it is going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of dark my god. Yeah, So we've got Salt Lake.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you watching oc? I mean, are you watching

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<v Speaker 1>it or you hate watching it? Are you like me?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like I'll watch anything they give me. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm watching it. Oc is not a show that I've

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<v Speaker 2>watched from the very beginning. I don't even think I

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<v Speaker 2>found it until COVID when I was looking for other

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<v Speaker 2>things to watch. I tried to watch the early seasons

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<v Speaker 2>and I just couldn't because like the production value is

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<v Speaker 2>like terrible, and it's just it's so hard to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did go back and I watched up until

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<v Speaker 2>when Shannon's first season. So there's a lot of like

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<v Speaker 2>criticism about Shannon, but I've always found Shannon to be

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<v Speaker 2>a really interesting character. Yeah, so I'm watching it. Is

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<v Speaker 2>it like the best show ever? No, I mean it's not,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean I like it. It's I'm interested in it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that Vicky's back. I do find her to

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<v Speaker 2>be like just an interesting individualist, like a writer who

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<v Speaker 2>looks at things like character wise. I think she's an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting character. I don't know that she's somebody that I

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<v Speaker 2>would like in real life, but I like watching her.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting because a lot of people have also been like,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't need it. Why is Vicky back? I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the twentieth season. They had to bring it back.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a great step and it works and she's delivering,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and you know, lover hate Vicky and people

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<v Speaker 1>get mad at me when I say this. She is

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<v Speaker 1>the og of the OC and people will be like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>Gina was cast first. I don't care. Vicky's the one

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<v Speaker 1>that's been on the longest, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's like nostalgics. I have her back on.

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<v Speaker 2>She's literally the og of all of them, like she

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<v Speaker 2>she started this, so yeah, I think it was only

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<v Speaker 2>fair to have her back on.

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<v Speaker 1>I completely agree. Did you have did you have opinions on?

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<v Speaker 1>People had a lot of strong opinions about Gina Keo

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<v Speaker 1>doing a GoFundMe for her health care. I mean, in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, I'm like, if she doesn't have the money

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for her healthcare, I don't think there's any

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<v Speaker 1>problem with it. That's where we are in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>But people are like, no, it's tone deaf because they

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's it's complicated. We don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>details of you know, her finances. Would I personally start

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<v Speaker 2>to go find me, no, but you know, to each

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<v Speaker 2>their own. Apparently she can't work now, she's a real

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<v Speaker 2>stag agent. She can't talk like she had part of

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<v Speaker 2>her tongue removes. So this is I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>I would actually do in a situation like that. Yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I don't falter in it at all. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I hope she has a you know, speedy recovery and

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<v Speaker 2>only good thoughts towards her.

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<v Speaker 1>God bless, it's terrible. Okay, speaking of things that are

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<v Speaker 1>dark and God bless and terrible, I am obsessed with

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<v Speaker 1>The Valley. I love the Valley. I love everything about

417
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<v Speaker 1>The Valley. I am upset to hear rumors that it's

418
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<v Speaker 1>going to be canceled. At the very least, they've got

419
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<v Speaker 1>to keep it around for Jack's Day, his ex publicist,

420
00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:05.160
<v Speaker 1>and Michelle Danny doctor Dre. That's that's enough to give

421
00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:06.480
<v Speaker 1>us another season, right there.

422
00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so The Valley is definitely my hate watch. Okay,

423
00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:18.519
<v Speaker 2>it's but I actually watched a couple of like, rewatched

424
00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:21.599
<v Speaker 2>a couple episodes last night, and I was like, this

425
00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.680
<v Speaker 2>is good. Like I can't tell if I like it

426
00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:27.480
<v Speaker 2>or it just like activates me in some weird way.

427
00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:32.160
<v Speaker 2>I think, yes, there's lots of rumors about this being

428
00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:37.119
<v Speaker 2>the last season, and I think it'd be fine if

429
00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:39.480
<v Speaker 2>it was the last season, quite frankly, but if it's

430
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:42.680
<v Speaker 2>not the last season, I think Jackson needs to come back.

431
00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I also think all of the men on that show

432
00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:51.200
<v Speaker 2>should want Jax back, because when he was on the show,

433
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:55.240
<v Speaker 2>you didn't see how bad all of them were. Ninety

434
00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:59.079
<v Speaker 2>nine percent of those men are terrible individuals. The only

435
00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:00.920
<v Speaker 2>one that I can think of off the top of

436
00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:03.079
<v Speaker 2>my head, and we don't see him very much, but

437
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:04.640
<v Speaker 2>he seems to be a decent guy and they have

438
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:07.920
<v Speaker 2>a good relationship, is Janet's husband, Jason. All the other

439
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:12.960
<v Speaker 2>ones are horrific, horrific individuals. Women should watch this show

440
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.880
<v Speaker 2>and be like, I don't think I'm gonna get married,

441
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:18.799
<v Speaker 2>Like they should all just go live in a commune

442
00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.240
<v Speaker 2>and raise their children themselves, because if you were to

443
00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:24.839
<v Speaker 2>look at these men as a sample of what's out there, no,

444
00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:28.119
<v Speaker 2>why would you ever? And Kristin. I feel so bad

445
00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.799
<v Speaker 2>for Kristin because she has this little child attached to her,

446
00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:34.079
<v Speaker 2>she's going through postpartum, and Luke is the worst of

447
00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:37.480
<v Speaker 2>all of them. I cannot watch that show and watch

448
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.440
<v Speaker 2>him without it makes me crazy. I am screaming at

449
00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:45.599
<v Speaker 2>the TV like he makes me insane. And they wanted

450
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:49.680
<v Speaker 2>that child very badly. They wanted that child, and now

451
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.960
<v Speaker 2>that they have it, he's acting like a complete douchebag.

452
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:56.960
<v Speaker 1>You think Luke is worse than Danny.

453
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:02.759
<v Speaker 2>You know what, It's depends on the week, but they're

454
00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:10.359
<v Speaker 2>both horrible. They're both really really bad. Danny's really bad.

455
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:15.519
<v Speaker 2>But my opinion of Nina actually or Nia lately has

456
00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:18.880
<v Speaker 2>changed when when I when I originally watched it, like

457
00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:21.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought that she was definitely a lot sweeter in

458
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.480
<v Speaker 2>the beginning, but I'm getting like, like, I feel like

459
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.160
<v Speaker 2>she's pulling the strings a little bit, and I think

460
00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:32.799
<v Speaker 2>she she's she's definitely covering for him in a lot

461
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:33.359
<v Speaker 2>of ways.

462
00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.920
<v Speaker 1>And absolutely, yeah.

463
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:38.359
<v Speaker 2>She's covering for him in so many ways, and it

464
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.920
<v Speaker 2>makes me worried about her, like what is actually going on?

465
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it makes me worried about her too, because you know,

466
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:50.599
<v Speaker 1>she had a baby and then she had twins and

467
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:53.279
<v Speaker 1>if that wasn't enough, they were like, let's just let's

468
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 1>just keep it going. I mean, and I understand a

469
00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:57.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of young people were like, well, if we're gonna

470
00:25:57.920 --> 00:25:59.680
<v Speaker 1>have kids. Let's just knock it all out, and they

471
00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:01.960
<v Speaker 1>get terrible for ten years and then you know, and

472
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:03.799
<v Speaker 1>then we'll be on the other side of it. But

473
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:06.559
<v Speaker 1>if you don't have a good relationship, I don't know

474
00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:08.039
<v Speaker 1>how you're going to get on the other side of it.

475
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:12.599
<v Speaker 1>And if your husband is lying constantly about his drinking,

476
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:17.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, let me tell you. You don't know this about me.

477
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:20.400
<v Speaker 1>My husband is twelve years sober. So this Nia and

478
00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Danny thing is like super triggering for me because his

479
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.039
<v Speaker 1>behavior is so familiar to me, and her behavior is

480
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:29.920
<v Speaker 1>also familiar to me, the protecting and deflecting and look

481
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.039
<v Speaker 1>over here, don't look over here, you know. But when

482
00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Lala called her a thug in a prairie dress, I

483
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:36.039
<v Speaker 1>was like, now.

484
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:40.039
<v Speaker 2>I know, right, Laala, you kind of definitely needed her

485
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:43.640
<v Speaker 2>to like pop in here and sort of like express

486
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:45.880
<v Speaker 2>her opinion, because she does sort of say what no

487
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:50.240
<v Speaker 2>one else is saying. Yes, So when you watch it,

488
00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:53.200
<v Speaker 2>you can see Nia doing that.

489
00:26:54.519 --> 00:27:00.200
<v Speaker 1>She's absolutely protecting him and absolutely when he starts to

490
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:02.359
<v Speaker 1>spire off, which I know that she just has to

491
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:05.039
<v Speaker 1>feel sick going into any event knowing he's going to

492
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>be drinking. No what it's going to turn into, because

493
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:10.440
<v Speaker 1>she knows once you get some drinks in him, I

494
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.880
<v Speaker 1>can't control him. I can't get him to you know, one, two,

495
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:17.599
<v Speaker 1>three eyes on me. She can't get him to focus

496
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:19.920
<v Speaker 1>because now he's drunk, and now he's mad, and he

497
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:23.759
<v Speaker 1>hates a la la stands for everything he hates, you know,

498
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.119
<v Speaker 1>like single woman, okaying for sexuality. You know, he just

499
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:28.400
<v Speaker 1>can't stand that.

500
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's terrible. Also, like I know that they are

501
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.920
<v Speaker 2>on him a lot about it, about his drinking, and

502
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:40.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't drink anymore. I wouldn't say that I was

503
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:42.720
<v Speaker 2>an alcoholic, but like a year and a half ago

504
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>or so, I just realized it didn't work for me anymore.

505
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Made me I felt a little depressed afterwards, no matter

506
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:50.799
<v Speaker 2>how much I drink. And that might be where he

507
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.799
<v Speaker 2>is too. Maybe he's not a raging alcoholic, but he

508
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:58.759
<v Speaker 2>has an issue. There's an issue there. Also, he's doing

509
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:01.599
<v Speaker 2>this on camera. What is he doing when he's not

510
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:02.480
<v Speaker 2>on camera?

511
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly the way he speaks to her makes you

512
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:08.960
<v Speaker 1>think if you're speaking to her knowing that you both

513
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>have microphones on, yes, how are you speaking to her

514
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.160
<v Speaker 1>when you take the microphones off that Nanny has seen

515
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:17.000
<v Speaker 1>some shit, you know.

516
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I also think that she's got some fight in

517
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:24.160
<v Speaker 2>her too, So I'd like to hear how she talks

518
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:27.240
<v Speaker 2>when the cameras aren't rolling and when she's not maked up, too,

519
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:29.799
<v Speaker 2>because I don't think she puts up with nearly as

520
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 2>much as people are thinking that she does, or if

521
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.759
<v Speaker 2>she is putting up with it, there's a different side

522
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:39.240
<v Speaker 2>of her that we have yet to see.

523
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.359
<v Speaker 1>I think that's right because we have seen it before

524
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>when last season they were on the phone and she

525
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:47.440
<v Speaker 1>was like, let me tell you something. You go home

526
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:49.359
<v Speaker 1>and do this and then you go you know, and

527
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.119
<v Speaker 1>you're like, yeah, glimpses, yeah, glimpses.

528
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think there's glimpses of it. Yeah.

529
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that maybe that's why he drinks. I don't know.

530
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:02.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kidding. But it's interesting that you think Luke

531
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.480
<v Speaker 1>is worse because a lot of people have such strong

532
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>feelings on Luke. And I did actually appreciate this week

533
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:11.839
<v Speaker 1>when when they were in therapy and she said, I

534
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:14.119
<v Speaker 1>she said, this will watch what happens. I've told him

535
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 1>when we're in therapy, say it, like, get it out

536
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:19.839
<v Speaker 1>while we're in therapy. You don't talk to me like

537
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.599
<v Speaker 1>that at home. But for him to say, you know,

538
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>I wanted you to have this baby, but then I

539
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:29.079
<v Speaker 1>had never met pregnant Kristin. But then, but then he's

540
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>pushing to have another baby.

541
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. It doesn't make any sense to me. I

542
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:38.119
<v Speaker 2>love that scene though, and the therapist in Kristin, I

543
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 2>thought they wanted I thought they were going to like

544
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 2>beat his ass. That therapist like looked at her like what, yeah.

545
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:50.319
<v Speaker 1>I love the therapists. Yeah whoa said it?

546
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. So she even had a huge reaction, so that. Yeah,

547
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.519
<v Speaker 2>he's terrible. I feel bad for Kristen because she's like

548
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.720
<v Speaker 2>in it. You know, she's got this small child attached

549
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.200
<v Speaker 2>to her. But I'm curious, you know, where will she

550
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.200
<v Speaker 2>be in five years? You know.

551
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm excited for the reunion. I know they just

552
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.839
<v Speaker 1>filmed it obviously, because they did some like looks of

553
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 1>the reunion. I'm excited to see sort of where we

554
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>are now because when you have just had that baby,

555
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and I can imagine, especially for Nia has had like

556
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>back to back kids, and it's all filmed. And that's

557
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.039
<v Speaker 1>why people don't like the show, because they think it's dark,

558
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:31.079
<v Speaker 1>but in my mind, I'm like, it's really a real

559
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:35.519
<v Speaker 1>representation of that time in your life. And you know,

560
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:39.519
<v Speaker 1>while we have people that age on Summer House, you know,

561
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:41.599
<v Speaker 1>we've got people in the valley sort of like in

562
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>it with like marriage and babies, and I don't know,

563
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.359
<v Speaker 1>I find it. I find it fascinating and I'll be

564
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>very sad if they cancel it.

565
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like I said, I kind of hate watch it.

566
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>But then there are times when I'm watching it, I'm like, wait, no,

567
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:58.559
<v Speaker 2>this is actually really good and there's some real stuff

568
00:30:58.640 --> 00:30:59.440
<v Speaker 2>happening here.

569
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, yeah, Now question for you, what what else

570
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>are you watching? So if you're not watching like Bravo

571
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>or sitting around waiting for the E show to happen,

572
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>what are you watching.

573
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.519
<v Speaker 2>I rewatch a lot of things. I watch a lot

574
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 2>of movies. I'm you know, I write horror and comedy

575
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:21.720
<v Speaker 2>and those are the kind of things that I watch.

576
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:26.759
<v Speaker 2>But I do love reality TV. I find it like

577
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm able to watch it and I can kind of

578
00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>like switch my brain off. I find that if I

579
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>It's the same way with reading, Like when I'm writing,

580
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't read a lot of fiction. I can read memoirs,

581
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:42.119
<v Speaker 2>like anything like a magazine or something on the subway

582
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:44.799
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, because I like people's stories and I like

583
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 2>to absorb people's stories. But like fiction or something scripted,

584
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm a little pickier about watching or reading. But there

585
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:57.559
<v Speaker 2>are things in the horror world that I'm very excited

586
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.960
<v Speaker 2>about coming up. Like there's a Crystal like series. There's

587
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:02.759
<v Speaker 2>a Carry series happening.

588
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I saw about the Carrey series. That's interesting.

589
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm super excited about that. The new season of

590
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 2>American Horror Story is following the Coven storyline, which was

591
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:17.799
<v Speaker 2>my favorite season. Yeah, so I'm super excited about that.

592
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 2>I started watching Real Housewives of London and I think

593
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:25.559
<v Speaker 2>it's going well. I was very upset about uh, Ladies

594
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>of London being canceled because I loved.

595
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>It beyond I would listen to it. Listen. If they

596
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:33.720
<v Speaker 1>said to me, we're going to cancel The Valley or

597
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:37.119
<v Speaker 1>cancel Ladies of London, it would be a Sophie's choice

598
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:38.759
<v Speaker 1>for me. But I would say, Okay, we're done with

599
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:40.720
<v Speaker 1>the Valley, give me more Ladies of London.

600
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Because we were like, we're robbed, We're robbed of

601
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.000
<v Speaker 2>what could have happened with that show. It was such

602
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.319
<v Speaker 2>a great cast. It was so interesting. It made me

603
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:55.279
<v Speaker 2>want to move to London. So Andy Cohen, they talked.

604
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Andy Cohn was talking about that it was the ratings,

605
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:03.039
<v Speaker 2>that that's reason why Ladies of London was canceled. Do

606
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:05.400
<v Speaker 2>you believe that? Because it took him a while to

607
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>say that.

608
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I believe it or not believe it.

609
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.559
<v Speaker 1>But every person I know, every Bravo podcast or every

610
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, Bravo influencer, everybody was obsessed with it. You

611
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't find me like like a lot of people were

612
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 1>kind of hot and cold on OC and you'd get

613
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.599
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people hot and cold about lots of things.

614
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:30.519
<v Speaker 1>But everybody loved the show.

615
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was great, and it was great because of

616
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.400
<v Speaker 2>the cast. I mean, there wasn't a lot of drama happening.

617
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.359
<v Speaker 2>It just was like this sort of just a magical

618
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:46.039
<v Speaker 2>cast that they put together. Do you think. So there

619
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:53.279
<v Speaker 2>was rumors about Margo's husband potentially suing, although she went

620
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.119
<v Speaker 2>on Jeff Lewis's radio show and said that that was

621
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 2>not the case and that if it was the case,

622
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:01.680
<v Speaker 2>you'd be able to find a lawsuit. So obviously a

623
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:05.480
<v Speaker 2>lawsuit wasn't filed, But do you think that potentially he

624
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:10.719
<v Speaker 2>threatened to sue and then on top of that, they

625
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 2>had you know, late uh Real Housewives of London potentially

626
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>in the can to use on Peacock or Bravo as well.

627
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.000
<v Speaker 2>So do you think maybe they're like, uh, we'll just

628
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:25.440
<v Speaker 2>cut our losses. Like I don't. I'm very fascinated on

629
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.480
<v Speaker 2>what happened, and I do remember like she's made a

630
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:33.599
<v Speaker 2>comment about going off of social media, but she literally

631
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:36.199
<v Speaker 2>went off social media like right before this came out,

632
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.639
<v Speaker 2>as though she like knew something was coming.

633
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think the margo of it is interesting, and

634
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it's also interesting that she went on Jeff's show like

635
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:50.199
<v Speaker 1>after it was canceled, right like because people were doing

636
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.880
<v Speaker 1>so much press before that she wasn't doing anything.

637
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh she did. She did appear. She appeared while the

638
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:01.239
<v Speaker 2>show was airing. She did appear on Jeff's show also.

639
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so she appeared twice. Yeah, yeah, I found that.

640
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.039
<v Speaker 1>It's also weird to me too that they had the

641
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>cast we had, Mark, we had, Kimmy, we had we

642
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:17.199
<v Speaker 1>had almost every cast member was either on Watch What

643
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Happens Live like Bartender or like sitting with Andy and

644
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.639
<v Speaker 1>doing tons of press and tons of podcasts and everything.

645
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.679
<v Speaker 1>So they were paying for all this pr and then

646
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:28.360
<v Speaker 1>they haled it.

647
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like we're not getting the full story.

648
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Definitely not I like the full story. I'd like to

649
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:38.679
<v Speaker 2>know what happened. I also, I really loved Mark Francis

650
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.119
<v Speaker 2>on that show. I know that there's been like a

651
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of talk because you know, Bravo's audience is women

652
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:46.760
<v Speaker 2>and gay men primarily, and there's been a lot of

653
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:51.119
<v Speaker 2>talk on how to incorporate like maybe a gay character

654
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.760
<v Speaker 2>into the Housewives. And while that wasn't The Housewives, I

655
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:57.880
<v Speaker 2>think that they did it brilliantly. Like he totally fit in.

656
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.239
<v Speaker 2>He's a very interesting character. I mean, he lives in

657
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Oscar wild, it's flat. Yeah, he's just he's very interesting. Again,

658
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that i'd like him in person, he

659
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:12.079
<v Speaker 2>seems like a lot, but as some as a viewer

660
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:16.400
<v Speaker 2>watching something and you know, a writer who's interested in characters,

661
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I found him very fascinating.

662
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:22.639
<v Speaker 1>I completely agree. And then the whole thing with Hecate

663
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>dying and we didn't.

664
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:28.599
<v Speaker 2>Get oh I know, I know, because he drowned, right,

665
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 2>he drowned in the bathtub. He drowned in the bathtub

666
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:32.559
<v Speaker 2>during the heat wave.

667
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she said he was always so careful around water,

668
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 1>and then he I was like, oh my god, it's

669
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.079
<v Speaker 1>like a wild bird she found in her yard that

670
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.159
<v Speaker 1>she made her pet. You just can't you just can't

671
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 1>make it up. You can't make it up. It's fascinating. Well,

672
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:50.039
<v Speaker 1>I hope with all the uproar about it, I kind

673
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:53.320
<v Speaker 1>of hope that maybe they'll sort of revisit bringing it

674
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:55.920
<v Speaker 1>back and sort of give us a Miami situation where

675
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:57.840
<v Speaker 1>they'll make us wait a little bit and then they'll

676
00:36:57.880 --> 00:36:59.199
<v Speaker 1>bring it back with the same people.

677
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think waiting would be a mistake. Though. That's

678
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:06.000
<v Speaker 2>a problem. Like it was so magical right when it

679
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 2>was filming. They should have picked up cameras right away, unless, like,

680
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:11.639
<v Speaker 2>do you think because it's in London that it's an

681
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:15.719
<v Speaker 2>especially expensive show. I don't know, is that more expensive

682
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.239
<v Speaker 2>than New York or Beverly Hills.

683
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine. They just have their team there that

684
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:20.880
<v Speaker 1>does it.

685
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, they're not paying them barely anything. You know,

686
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:26.719
<v Speaker 2>it's first season, so I don't know.

687
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Sure lay Real Housewives of London. I know that I

688
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>had a listener write me and said that they had

689
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:36.079
<v Speaker 1>already seen the first season because it's aired in England. Yeah,

690
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:38.440
<v Speaker 1>and they were like, I gotta tell you, it's nowhere

691
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:40.280
<v Speaker 1>near as good as Ladies of London. I don't know

692
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 1>what Bravo was thinking by picking this up instead of

693
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.559
<v Speaker 1>Lady's of London. It's just doesn't compare. I watched the

694
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.239
<v Speaker 1>first episode and it kind of lost me. Is so

695
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:51.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe I need to try again.

696
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>If you if you thought it was good, I think

697
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.679
<v Speaker 2>it has promise. I think it's interesting. I don't think

698
00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:59.719
<v Speaker 2>it's as good as Ladies of London, but I think

699
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:04.239
<v Speaker 2>you you can't really compare it to that. I did

700
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.719
<v Speaker 2>see the trailer though, and Derinda pops up, which I

701
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:07.840
<v Speaker 2>found very interesting.

702
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, she doesn't want you to ever forget she lived

703
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:11.400
<v Speaker 1>in London.

704
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:16.920
<v Speaker 2>No, never, and she's like, I forget them that character's name.

705
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't have all the characters' names, but she is

706
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 2>friends with the one who seems to be the most reserved.

707
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 2>But in the trailer, she like loses her mind because

708
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:31.280
<v Speaker 2>there's I think, like an American where there's like another

709
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Juliette who's joining in like episode five or something like that,

710
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>and apparently like she comes in and really starts stirring

711
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:42.079
<v Speaker 2>stuff up. So it will be interesting. It'll be interesting

712
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.840
<v Speaker 2>to watch these women who are so poised and like

713
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:49.679
<v Speaker 2>reserved and proper like lose their minds because they're going

714
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.000
<v Speaker 2>to Yeah.

715
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:55.199
<v Speaker 1>That's why I like Ladies of London. Yeah, okay, did you?

716
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure you did. What did you think

717
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.599
<v Speaker 1>of Real housew as a Rhode Islander our newest franchise.

718
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I loved every minute of it, loved every minute of it.

719
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:09.719
<v Speaker 2>I have questions. I'd like somebody to do, like a

720
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 2>really in depth interview, because I want to know. I

721
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.199
<v Speaker 2>pieced some things together based on social media and what

722
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.960
<v Speaker 2>cast members have said, but I want to know when

723
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:24.119
<v Speaker 2>was this cast, what was that process, who brought who?

724
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Because it's perfect, it's perfect how it happened. But I

725
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:30.119
<v Speaker 2>have a feeling like it's been in the works for

726
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:33.519
<v Speaker 2>a long time and from what I understand, it's like

727
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:38.679
<v Speaker 2>a two year thing and like it's but it's perfect.

728
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how especially like and I don't know

729
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.159
<v Speaker 2>no offense to Rhode Island, but I had no idea

730
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.119
<v Speaker 2>about the personalities there, and just just the fact that

731
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:51.039
<v Speaker 2>they were able to piece together this brilliant cast, each

732
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:55.119
<v Speaker 2>one there is no weak link. They're all great, and

733
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 2>just the fact that they were able to do that

734
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:02.199
<v Speaker 2>makes me wonder, Okay, where is Real Housewives of New Orleans?

735
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Where is Real Housewives of Austin? Where is? It just

736
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 2>made me open my brain to potential new franchises, which

737
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:19.280
<v Speaker 2>should also make established franchises a little bit worried. Because

738
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.159
<v Speaker 2>if you have Real Housewives of Rhode Island coming on

739
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.159
<v Speaker 2>and just like blowing it out of the water and

740
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:28.920
<v Speaker 2>everybody loving it, and you know it didn't cost barely

741
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.039
<v Speaker 2>anything for them to make it, none of them are

742
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>making money in the beginning. Then you have, you know,

743
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.280
<v Speaker 2>cast like Orange County, which has been around twenty years now,

744
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.679
<v Speaker 2>or Beverly Hills, which cost a fortune, although that's more

745
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:44.159
<v Speaker 2>of a lifestyle show, so that might be exempt from this.

746
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.760
<v Speaker 2>But all these other shows that have been around for

747
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.840
<v Speaker 2>a long time, like I don't know, like I it

748
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:53.320
<v Speaker 2>might be time to start retiring shows. What do you

749
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>think about that?

750
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:58.519
<v Speaker 1>That makes me sad because you know, they did that

751
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.119
<v Speaker 1>to our New York and we did like it. So

752
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:04.920
<v Speaker 1>O C is a little different because I think we

753
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:09.840
<v Speaker 1>generally the fandom doesn't feel as strongly about the OC

754
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>women as we did our og New York ladies. Yeah,

755
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I think people just feel so strongly about that. You know,

756
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.679
<v Speaker 1>the Luay and the Bethany of the Sonia and you

757
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.519
<v Speaker 1>know Jill Zeron even God Bless and we feel so

758
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:26.599
<v Speaker 1>strongly about that. I am excited about the E Show,

759
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:30.239
<v Speaker 1>but and I'm also excited about the New New York

760
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.679
<v Speaker 1>I think, and as a New Yorker you can speak

761
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:34.360
<v Speaker 1>to this. I think they shouldn't have named it real

762
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:35.239
<v Speaker 1>House as of New York.

763
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was their biggest mistake. It should have been

764
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:40.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's already in the city or the city

765
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:44.119
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, but they should have they should have called

766
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:44.800
<v Speaker 2>it something else.

767
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:49.320
<v Speaker 1>That was a huge mistakes in Manhattan, just something.

768
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.199
<v Speaker 2>Something something, or not even housewives. It could have been

769
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.960
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know, it could have been the I think, well,

770
00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 2>they weren't all moms. I was going to say, maybe

771
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.280
<v Speaker 2>they could have gone back to the original life idea

772
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.280
<v Speaker 2>of Roney and called in Manhattan Moms or something like that.

773
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I just think the mistake was calling it the same

774
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:11.559
<v Speaker 2>thing and not sort of refreshing the entry. So it's like,

775
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:14.400
<v Speaker 2>what is it real Housewives of New York season whatever.

776
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.480
<v Speaker 2>But it's like going to be their third season, right.

777
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't like that at all because they haven't earned that.

778
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, season sixteen, seventeen, they were Season one. They

779
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>were a season one cast, and that's what we should

780
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:26.039
<v Speaker 1>have done.

781
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would be really pissed off if I was

782
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:32.079
<v Speaker 2>one of the ogs for them to be on season

783
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:34.280
<v Speaker 2>thirteen or fourteen or whatever it is.

784
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean they're trying,

785
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:41.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're kind of rebranding New Jersey, and I

786
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>haven't really heard any buzz either way. We know that

787
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Milania was in the news for you know, punching her

788
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:53.880
<v Speaker 1>stepfather allegedly or her stepbrother. Not sure she punched somebody

789
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:57.960
<v Speaker 1>with the initials l R. And hope that'll play out,

790
00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:58.320
<v Speaker 1>you know.

791
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I I'm kind of concerned about New Jersey. I

792
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:08.440
<v Speaker 2>feel like it's been a long time since filming, and

793
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:10.679
<v Speaker 2>I just I don't know what that's gonna look like.

794
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.280
<v Speaker 2>I am happy that Teresa Melissa seem to be on

795
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:20.039
<v Speaker 2>a better page. Whether that's manufactured or not, I don't know.

796
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.159
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it took Maybe it took Teresa. You know, a

797
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:27.000
<v Speaker 2>couple of years pause and no paycheck to be like, eh,

798
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't dislike you guys that much.

799
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not. I'm not a giant. Teresa's Dan and

800
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>I hate that Louis, so I'll watch it just because

801
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to hate watch that red face monster.

802
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 1>You know.

803
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, Louis is definitely like a triggering individual. But

804
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:52.599
<v Speaker 2>I do you know, watching jen h the New Gens show,

805
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I Teresa, what I find interesting with her is as

806
00:43:56.920 --> 00:44:00.639
<v Speaker 2>wild and crazy as she seems to be, and she's arguably,

807
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.280
<v Speaker 2>like maybe one of the most volatile housewives that we've had.

808
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Gia seems so well adjusted like her kids. I know,

809
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Milania is kind of having a little bit of issues,

810
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.880
<v Speaker 2>but Milania arrived from the womb like that. Like Milania

811
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:18.800
<v Speaker 2>was a wild child from the moment, like she was

812
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 2>on camera, like that's just her personality, Like that's just

813
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:25.559
<v Speaker 2>how she was born. But all her other kids, and

814
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Malania's too. Malanie is not a bad kid. But Teresa's

815
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:30.960
<v Speaker 2>doing something right because she seems to have raised some

816
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:32.119
<v Speaker 2>really great children.

817
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think if you look at it,

818
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Gia has had to be a parent, you know. Yeah,

819
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:41.159
<v Speaker 1>and then Malania came along as a third daughter into

820
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>this TV world and then God bless Gabrielle. We never

821
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>see her and she's probably the smartest one of all,

822
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:48.559
<v Speaker 1>you know.

823
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, Yeah, it's yeah. I'm not a huge teresastan,

824
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:57.920
<v Speaker 2>but when you think about everything that she's put on TV,

825
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:02.559
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of miraculous. Yeah, that's it's amazing what she

826
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:04.039
<v Speaker 2>has gone through on TV.

827
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:09.639
<v Speaker 1>I could agree. Okay, Now tell everybody about what they

828
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:11.840
<v Speaker 1>can do if they want to get your book, and

829
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:14.599
<v Speaker 1>also let me this is this is for real. I

830
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.480
<v Speaker 1>saw you post that somebody was reading your book on

831
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.519
<v Speaker 1>the subway. Was that real or was that your friend?

832
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:21.639
<v Speaker 2>No comment?

833
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<v Speaker 1>Because I saw that, I was like that that would

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<v Speaker 1>be really something to be in the wild and see

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<v Speaker 1>somebody reading your book. That would really be something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Yeah, a hot dude reading, hot dude reading.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's what more do you want on your Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>rather than hot dude reading?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So you can find me on Instagram at Jason Zephyr.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find my book Jason Zephyr dot com. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's available everywhere online. You can also go to your

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<v Speaker 2>local bookstore and if it's not in stock, ask them

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<v Speaker 2>to put it in stock. I released it independently in

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<v Speaker 2>my own company after kind of severing ties with a

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<v Speaker 2>very big agency. This was after publishers sort of wanted

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<v Speaker 2>me to change the main character a little bit. They

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<v Speaker 2>wanted her they didn't find her to be likable enough.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's something that like female characters get a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh the husband is cheating on the wife and like

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<v Speaker 2>has you know his mistress in a hotel suite, but

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<v Speaker 2>nothing about him, nothing about him, only about Yeah, he's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's a little depressed in the beginning, and oh,

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<v Speaker 2>can't she be more likable or she needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about her child to her children at every step

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<v Speaker 2>of the moment. But so I decided to do it myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I started my own company called It's a Live Books.

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<v Speaker 2>I hired a cartoonist from the New Yorker to do

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<v Speaker 2>my cover, which is really a beautiful covers cover. It's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Dan Mistilla, so he designed the cover.

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<v Speaker 2>I hired editors, I did, I'm doing all the marketing,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I just kind of decided to do it myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Reviews have been really great. It's a great summer read. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm super entertaining. It's not the kind of book that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to sit on your nightstand and like stare at

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<v Speaker 2>you for six months. Like it's the kind of book

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<v Speaker 2>that you're going to read on vacation. You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>read it on the plane, You're going to read it

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<v Speaker 2>over a weekend. It's a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I am taking the book to we have a beach ouse.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take it there and leave it there

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<v Speaker 1>so that when people come, because it's I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great beach read. So when people come, because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times people will come to visit, they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything to read, and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got these choices, So I'm going to take it

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<v Speaker 1>because I think it's a great a beach read as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got to tell you, there is a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a horror to it, but it is it

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<v Speaker 1>is very tongue in cheek funny. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there is definitely horror to it, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily for people for that only like horror.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's because it's campy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's super funny. Even you know, it's zombies, so you know, spoiler,

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<v Speaker 2>there's some blood and guts and zombies eat people like

885
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<v Speaker 2>this is what they do. This is what they do,

886
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<v Speaker 2>but I try to write it with a sense of humor.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the response has been really good. The

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<v Speaker 2>editorial reviews have been great, the reader reviews have been great.

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<v Speaker 2>It's growing. I'm hoping that it pops off. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you having me on your shows to tell people about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so yeah, so you can. You can buy

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<v Speaker 2>it online everywhere. You can go to my website jasonzeffor

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<v Speaker 2>dot com follow me at Jason's effort, but also go

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<v Speaker 2>to your local bookstore and ask for it, and if

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have it in stock, that lets them know

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<v Speaker 2>we need to order this. Because they can order it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's available for every bookstore to order. I have a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of meetings actually at the end of the week

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of big stores in New York City

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<v Speaker 2>and so yeah, so I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, fun fact, I used to work at

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<v Speaker 1>a little local bookstore here in Alexandria, Virginia, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was like, there's a few favorite things about working there

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<v Speaker 1>because I worked my regular job and I worked that

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<v Speaker 1>part time and I was in my twenties, and my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite thing was on Sundays. The people that got the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times would come in and get their New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times and read it in the store. They would sit, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and read it, because you couldn't really get New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times delivered to your house at that way back in

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<v Speaker 1>the olden days. And what I really love too is

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<v Speaker 1>people coming in and asking for books, and if we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have them, you know, we'd have to go into

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<v Speaker 1>our system and order them for people. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>would always order three, right this person wants someone, now,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have two on the shelf. And it was always

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<v Speaker 1>great because it was a way to find out about

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<v Speaker 1>books I didn't know about because someone had heard of

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<v Speaker 1>it some way and they wanted they wanted to get

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<v Speaker 1>it from the local bookstore. So I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>that's a hot tip to go buy your local bookstore

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<v Speaker 1>and ask people to order it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. And for the bookstores because I'm in contact

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<v Speaker 2>with like three large bookstores if they're listening to this,

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<v Speaker 2>carry my book because I'm doing interviews and I can

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<v Speaker 2>point people in to where they can buy the book

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<v Speaker 2>in New York City. So yeah, yeah, so buy the book,

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<v Speaker 2>stop the book, do the book.

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<v Speaker 1>And try to buy local if you can. I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very into local booksellers. Okay, thank you Jason very much,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody go buy the book and I'll have his

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram link here in the show notes so you can

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<v Speaker 1>click it. It's very it's a good follow as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you so much, Mary Payne. Okay,