Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It is Thursday, so
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about pop culture and Bravo. And
Speaker 1: I've got an expert today. His name is Jason Zephyr.
Speaker 1: I'm I saying that right. You're saying that right, Okay,
Speaker 1: Jason Zephyr, and he is a pop culture expert and
Speaker 1: a Bravo expert.
Speaker 2: I would say, yes, definitely. I love Bravo. Real Housewives
Speaker 2: of New York City is not only one of my
Speaker 2: favorite Bravo shows, are my favorite housewife entry into the franchise,
Speaker 2: but it's one of my favorite all time shows. It's
Speaker 2: a comfort watch if I'm ever homesick, I am putting
Speaker 2: on like season six of Real Housewives of New York.
Speaker 1: Do you live in New York?
Speaker 2: I do live in New York. I've been here for
Speaker 2: like twenty years.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay. Now you are also a writer.
Speaker 2: I am a writer.
Speaker 1: Yes, You've written a really good book called Zombies of
Speaker 1: the Upper east Side. Okay, tell me about this book
Speaker 1: because it's like a campy It's like a take on
Speaker 1: these like Upper east Side like fancy ladies, but then
Speaker 1: there's like a zombie apocalypse.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's it's a horror comedy. It's definitely campy
Speaker 2: in all the best ways. I really lean into that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a it's about an Upper east Side lady. Her
Speaker 2: name is Charmaine Starling. She's kind of a typical kind
Speaker 2: of society lady. She married into a lot of money,
Speaker 2: but she's going through divorce. Her husband cheated on her.
Speaker 2: He's like he has separated. He's holed up in a
Speaker 2: suite of rooms at the Carl Hotel with his mistress.
Speaker 2: With his mistress, and so they're going through a divorce.
Speaker 2: You know, she didn't have any money in the beginning,
Speaker 2: so it was all him and his family land. So
Speaker 2: now they're trying to make sure that she doesn't leave
Speaker 2: the marriage with anything. So she also has like that
Speaker 2: stink on her of she's gonna be broke. So yes,
Speaker 2: So all the Upper east Side lady, she's a little
Speaker 2: bit of a priya. Now, Now, if that wasn't bad enough,
Speaker 2: if she wasn't already just stressed out about not, you know,
Speaker 2: leaving her marriage with nothing and maybe going back to Yonkers,
Speaker 2: which is where she was originally from, God forbid, If
Speaker 2: that wasn't bad enough, the Upper East side is painted
Speaker 2: as a place where all kinds of weird stuff can happen,
Speaker 2: because it is a little bit of a weird place.
Speaker 2: I think it has the highest propensity or or population
Speaker 2: of billionaires per capitist square mile than anywhere else in
Speaker 2: the world, so it's a very Yeah, so it's a
Speaker 2: very There's also like Park Avenue is like Billionaires Row,
Speaker 2: so it's like the highest number of billionaires to exist
Speaker 2: anywhere in the world and like such a small place. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if all that wasn't bad enough, there's some weird
Speaker 2: things going on in the background. In the first half
Speaker 2: of the book, people are getting sick, there's like a
Speaker 2: another sort of illness going on, bodies are missing from
Speaker 2: the morgue, and then like in the middle of it,
Speaker 2: she wakes up and it's a full on zombie apocalypse.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of funny watching these kinds of ladies
Speaker 2: kind of like fight against you know, the zombies, and
Speaker 2: they're a little bit scrappier than you would think.
Speaker 1: Well, isn't that always the case with our housewives?
Speaker 2: Right? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a character in the book whose name
Speaker 1: is oddly enough, Margot Pain, not to be confused with
Speaker 1: Mary Pain. But as I read the book, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I don't want my name to be
Speaker 1: so closely associated with this guta rat lady. Ah.
Speaker 2: Well, the interesting thing about that character in particular, like
Speaker 2: she is her. So her name is Margot Pain. She
Speaker 2: was married to a doctor, she divorced. She's sort of
Speaker 2: of like a warning to what could happen to Charmaine.
Speaker 2: Now what's interesting about that character they called they call
Speaker 2: her the Upper Upper east Side spit Her, And that's
Speaker 2: based on a real person. There was a real person
Speaker 2: on the Upper east Side who was with her shopping carts.
Speaker 2: She was unhoused individual, and they ended up finding and
Speaker 2: she would like spit on children or you know, sort
Speaker 2: of like young upstarts. She was not a happy lady. Wow.
Speaker 2: And then they ended up finding out that she, you know,
Speaker 2: she was divorced and she had had a lot of
Speaker 2: money at one point. So I sort of, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a minor character in the story. But I when
Speaker 2: I was writing the book, I read and I watched
Speaker 2: everything to do with the Upper east Side. So I
Speaker 2: tried to absorb as much as I could. And I
Speaker 2: had heard that story and I just wanted to incorporate
Speaker 2: it in some way into the book.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, it unfortunately is very close to my name,
Speaker 1: but that's okay. You didn't know me at the time.
Speaker 2: So and I love I love the name Pain too,
Speaker 2: you know, because it can mean so many things, and
Speaker 2: it can be taken literally not literally, like I I
Speaker 2: really like it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a family name and in my family obviously
Speaker 1: that's why I've got it. But you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: Payne Stewart, There's uh it was a famous golfer. There's
Speaker 1: Payne Lindsay who's a famous podcaster. And I have a
Speaker 1: nephew that said his next child he wants to send
Speaker 1: the child Pain as a boy. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you it's going.
Speaker 2: To be rough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rough, it'll be rough to have that name, but
Speaker 1: go go for it, go for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. Now you have got a very popular Instagram. I'm
Speaker 1: always obsessed with people who get like a huge following
Speaker 1: on Instagram because I'm out here, like hour myself out
Speaker 1: for every follower.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm proud. I feel like I'm in that
Speaker 2: in that sort of box. Now because a lot of
Speaker 2: things have changed over the last few months, when they
Speaker 2: had that big purge, I lost I don't know a
Speaker 2: crazy amount, but like a thousand followers, and my growth
Speaker 2: sort of stopped, and it stopped right when I was
Speaker 2: launching the book. So that wasn't That wasn't great, but
Speaker 2: it's okay. I still have a lot of followers. I
Speaker 2: got those because I do things like right now, I'm
Speaker 2: doing one hundred days of Buffy because I love Buffy
Speaker 2: Vampire Slayer and I was devastated when Hulu canceled the reboot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I do things like that. I've had like Martha
Speaker 2: Mondays where I do some sort of post about Martha
Speaker 2: Stewart because I love her, funny Lady Friday because I
Speaker 2: love funny women. They're probably the people that have inspired
Speaker 2: me the most of anybody. Yeah, so things like that,
Speaker 2: And oh also, I think it's and I just literally
Speaker 2: saw this yesterday, so it's like fresh in my mind.
Speaker 2: Every so often, somebody pops up and I'm like, wait,
Speaker 2: they follow me. So yesterday it was Wendy McClendon Covey
Speaker 2: follows me. I'm like, what when did that happen? I
Speaker 2: love her, I love her so much.
Speaker 1: I love her. Yeah, that's cool. Now. Sonia Morgan commented
Speaker 1: on your book does she follow you?
Speaker 2: She does not follow me. Oddly enough, not many of
Speaker 2: the New York Housewives follow me. I think only Jules Wainstein,
Speaker 2: who was on one season, but yeah, I really liked her.
Speaker 2: She follows me, but none of the other og rony women,
Speaker 2: which is a little disappointing because I love them so much.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited for the Golden Life coming out. I
Speaker 2: love them so much that they may have worked their
Speaker 2: way into my book.
Speaker 1: You have to read it to find out.
Speaker 2: I guess yes, you will have to read it to
Speaker 2: find out. But I find it very interesting that Sonia Morgan,
Speaker 2: who doesn't follow me, commented on my book post when
Speaker 2: I announced the book, saying congratulations. She also liked bunch
Speaker 2: of other posts. But I find it very interesting because
Speaker 2: there may be a character in my book whose name
Speaker 2: is Sylvia, and she might live on the Upper east Side,
Speaker 2: and she might live in a crumbling townhouse. She might
Speaker 2: also be allegedly broke. She may have a daughter, and
Speaker 2: she may be divorced from a very old man who
Speaker 2: left her for her friends.
Speaker 1: Does she have a storage unit full of old birkins?
Speaker 2: She sold them already. Okay, she doesn't have a bag
Speaker 2: to her name? Does she her basement? You don't want
Speaker 2: to go in the.
Speaker 1: Basement, No Crisco, no basics. Oh so funny. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: Sony Morgan, Now let's talk about the I keep calling
Speaker 1: it the Golden Years. Is it called the Golden Life?
Speaker 2: The Golden the Golden Life? Right?
Speaker 1: Okay? The New Roney spin off on each Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: the Golden Life, like the well yes, but first of all,
Speaker 1: like when is it coming? Because now they're adding like
Speaker 1: Margaret and some other people which I love in kandas
Speaker 1: push and all like great, but yeah, I assume they're
Speaker 1: coming in as like a friend of like, uh, they're
Speaker 1: just like letting us know that they're coming in as
Speaker 1: like side characters to visit. But what are we getting
Speaker 1: this show?
Speaker 2: Okay? So, from what I've read and from what I understand,
Speaker 2: filming went really well. So he wanted to add some
Speaker 2: more episodes, and it was summer in the Hampton's and
Speaker 2: Ramona and Luann are already there, so then they had
Speaker 2: the opportunity to add Margaret Joseph's I guess she had
Speaker 2: originally been in talks about being on the show, but
Speaker 2: she was on some other show on Amazon that's coming out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I guess she couldn't have been in it. Then
Speaker 2: I think she actually makes sense. I wasn't like a
Speaker 2: huge fan of her in New Jersey, but she has,
Speaker 2: you know, established relationships with Ramona and with leu Anne,
Speaker 2: and so I think and Durinda, and so I think
Speaker 2: that makes sense. I'm totally okay with that. Candice Bush Now,
Speaker 2: I love Sex and the City was also an inspiration
Speaker 2: to the book because the early seasons are very centered
Speaker 2: on the Upper east Side. I mean, they're Part two
Speaker 2: of my book is called Scourge in the City, so
Speaker 2: you know, there are definitely references to that as well.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see her. So, from what I understand,
Speaker 2: filming went really well, so they wanted to add some
Speaker 2: more episodes during the summer, but I think we're getting
Speaker 2: it in the fall. I think it's a really quick turnaround.
Speaker 2: Maybe there will be a little bit of a break
Speaker 2: so for editing, but I'm pretty sure we're getting this
Speaker 2: in the fall.
Speaker 1: I would imagine they don't want to go up against
Speaker 1: Ultimate Girls' Trip because that's a little bit of the
Speaker 1: same audience, or you know, and maybe they want to
Speaker 1: wait till the new Roney season comes out and give
Speaker 1: it a minute and you know, piggyback off of that.
Speaker 2: Really Yeah, and I think I think it's a good
Speaker 2: time for it to come out regardless. And I don't
Speaker 2: think Ultimate Girls Trip. I think that comes out like
Speaker 2: August tenth or something like that, And there probably won't
Speaker 2: be a lot of episodes. If it goes by previous seasons,
Speaker 2: it'll probably be what six episodes something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, I was going to say eight.
Speaker 1: I can't remember, though. Those are quick seasons. And for
Speaker 1: you know, everybody says that it'll be great, and I
Speaker 1: think everybody else because we'll watch anything on Bravo. Really,
Speaker 1: the problem is going to be sort of to get
Speaker 1: that audience to flip the channel over to E.
Speaker 2: I think there is. I mean people, there's definitely buzz
Speaker 2: about it. People are excited to see it. People wanted
Speaker 2: the Ogs to come back to Bravo for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: I did too. I freaking love that show. So I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know, I don't know why Bravo didn't
Speaker 2: do it. What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Well, my question for you is I'm sure you've seen
Speaker 1: the new Rony trailer for the new season with you know,
Speaker 1: we've got Si, We've got Jessel, we've got Carol Radziwell
Speaker 1: that's it, right, Si and Jessel and Aaron, and then
Speaker 1: we have some new people and Carol Radswell. I listen.
Speaker 1: I've been fooled by a trailer before where I've been like,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the best thing, and then it sucks.
Speaker 1: But I thought the trailer looked amazing.
Speaker 2: I think the trailer looked amazing too. I thought it
Speaker 2: looked really good. I think I did not like the
Speaker 2: last two seasons. I watched them, so it wasn't completely
Speaker 2: you know, biased, but I I did watch them. The
Speaker 2: last season was really kind of dark and a you know,
Speaker 2: it's not I'm actually a little bit surprised that it
Speaker 2: even survived, that's to tell you the truth. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think the trailer looks really good. I'm interested in
Speaker 2: seeing what happens. It seems like they may have been
Speaker 2: trying to be too much like the old Ronian or
Speaker 2: and the two seasons that they had. It does seem
Speaker 2: like maybe their brand off a little bit more, which
Speaker 2: is sort of ironic because Carol Radziwell is joining, but
Speaker 2: I'm interested in seeing her on the show. I always
Speaker 2: liked her. We do see, we'll see, and then sighs
Speaker 2: going crazy about the Jeffrey absteeing things, And yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't think she. I don't think Carol expected that going
Speaker 2: into the show.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't expect she. She thinks she'd be called
Speaker 1: out on the street for that. And Si, of course,
Speaker 1: just like they announced she's getting a divorce, you know,
Speaker 1: right as they were filling. So we always love a
Speaker 1: divorce during one of our Housewives seasons. It makes it spicy, yeah.
Speaker 2: For sure, because she's like angry and she's you know,
Speaker 2: Carol's gonna get it. It looks like.
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Speaker 1: speaking of divorce, you know Salt Lake City, we've got
Speaker 1: their either filming or have wrapped, and I imagine we're
Speaker 1: going to be because they usually launch that in the winter.
Speaker 1: I feel like to go with the Salt Lakes theme. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we've got three divorces going on there. We've got
Speaker 1: Bronwyn and Whitney and Justin are separated, and now we've
Speaker 1: got the Angie k separation. The Angik just really like
Speaker 1: that took me down. I was upsetting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, except when I watched the last season when they
Speaker 2: did have scenes together with their child. Like, I think
Speaker 2: you can see that there's a disconnect. I think it
Speaker 2: probably became more of a friendship rather than like a
Speaker 2: romantic relationship. Okay, interesting, that's kind of like I thought.
Speaker 2: I I vividly sort of remember thinking that when I
Speaker 2: would watch those scenes, I was like, oh, there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of like there's no heat left.
Speaker 1: It seems I see what you're saying. That they seemed
Speaker 1: more like because they are like business partners and the
Speaker 1: radio child together, and I think, you know, when they
Speaker 1: I think this happens a lot when you have a
Speaker 1: new franchise starting that. I think the husbands are always
Speaker 1: pretty stunned when focus turns on them, like like you know,
Speaker 1: like wait, why why is anybody asking what I'm doing?
Speaker 1: You know, because I definitely than Seth. It definitely happened
Speaker 1: bron went and Todd, and of course Todd did not
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he was terrible.
Speaker 1: So Sean, I think, was very stunned to find that
Speaker 1: people were now chatting about his sexuality and this, that
Speaker 1: and the other. So that wasn't great for their marriage.
Speaker 2: Probably no, it probably yeah, yeah, for sure, definitely not good.
Speaker 1: Mary Cosby susband too, just it was like nope, I'm out.
Speaker 1: I live in Florida. Now fuck this.
Speaker 2: There's like, no, there's only Lisa's husband, Lisa's husband and
Speaker 2: Meredith's susband. They're the only They're the last one standing.
Speaker 1: What did you think about Lisa's post with her and
Speaker 1: John Barlow and like matching jeans and white T shirts
Speaker 1: with their Veta tequila in their hand, being like still
Speaker 1: standing strong.
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of bitchy, but like in
Speaker 2: the best possible way. Clearly she must not be on
Speaker 2: good terms with Angie k right now, because that's rubbing
Speaker 2: it in a little bit. But I wouldn't expect anything
Speaker 2: less from her. But I still love her.
Speaker 1: I love her too. I thought it was not nice. No,
Speaker 1: you definitely nice, sort of like haha, I'm still married
Speaker 1: and you're not. I mean, I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: was very sad about that. But it's going to be
Speaker 1: a great season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I like Salt Lake. I think it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I think they still have a lot of story left
Speaker 2: in them. Oh yeah, I'm curious what this new season
Speaker 2: is going to be like because it starts filming like
Speaker 2: literally right after Mary's Son past. Yeah, it's that's.
Speaker 1: That's a lot. Yeah, it is going to be a
Speaker 1: speaking of dark my god. Yeah, So we've got Salt Lake.
Speaker 1: So are you watching oc? I mean, are you watching
Speaker 1: it or you hate watching it? Are you like me?
Speaker 1: I'm just like I'll watch anything they give me. So
Speaker 1: I'm just watching it.
Speaker 2: I'm watching it. Oc is not a show that I've
Speaker 2: watched from the very beginning. I don't even think I
Speaker 2: found it until COVID when I was looking for other
Speaker 2: things to watch. I tried to watch the early seasons
Speaker 2: and I just couldn't because like the production value is
Speaker 2: like terrible, and it's just it's so hard to watch.
Speaker 2: But I did go back and I watched up until
Speaker 2: when Shannon's first season. So there's a lot of like
Speaker 2: criticism about Shannon, but I've always found Shannon to be
Speaker 2: a really interesting character. Yeah, so I'm watching it. Is
Speaker 2: it like the best show ever? No, I mean it's not,
Speaker 2: but I mean I like it. It's I'm interested in it.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that Vicky's back. I do find her to
Speaker 2: be like just an interesting individualist, like a writer who
Speaker 2: looks at things like character wise. I think she's an
Speaker 2: interesting character. I don't know that she's somebody that I
Speaker 2: would like in real life, but I like watching her.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because a lot of people have also been like,
Speaker 1: we didn't need it. Why is Vicky back? I was like,
Speaker 1: it's the twentieth season. They had to bring it back.
Speaker 1: It was a great step and it works and she's delivering,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, lover hate Vicky and people
Speaker 1: get mad at me when I say this. She is
Speaker 1: the og of the OC and people will be like, no,
Speaker 1: Gina was cast first. I don't care. Vicky's the one
Speaker 1: that's been on the longest, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like nostalgics. I have her back on.
Speaker 2: She's literally the og of all of them, like she
Speaker 2: she started this, so yeah, I think it was only
Speaker 2: fair to have her back on.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. Did you have did you have opinions on?
Speaker 1: People had a lot of strong opinions about Gina Keo
Speaker 1: doing a GoFundMe for her health care. I mean, in
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm like, if she doesn't have the money
Speaker 1: to pay for her healthcare, I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: problem with it. That's where we are in this country.
Speaker 1: But people are like, no, it's tone deaf because they
Speaker 1: went on a vacation to Tahiti. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: two things can be true, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it's complicated. We don't know the
Speaker 2: details of you know, her finances. Would I personally start
Speaker 2: to go find me, no, but you know, to each
Speaker 2: their own. Apparently she can't work now, she's a real
Speaker 2: stag agent. She can't talk like she had part of
Speaker 2: her tongue removes. So this is I don't know what
Speaker 2: I would actually do in a situation like that. Yeah, so,
Speaker 2: I mean I don't falter in it at all. Like
Speaker 2: I hope she has a you know, speedy recovery and
Speaker 2: only good thoughts towards her.
Speaker 1: God bless, it's terrible. Okay, speaking of things that are
Speaker 1: dark and God bless and terrible, I am obsessed with
Speaker 1: The Valley. I love the Valley. I love everything about
Speaker 1: The Valley. I am upset to hear rumors that it's
Speaker 1: going to be canceled. At the very least, they've got
Speaker 1: to keep it around for Jack's Day, his ex publicist,
Speaker 1: and Michelle Danny doctor Dre. That's that's enough to give
Speaker 1: us another season, right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so The Valley is definitely my hate watch. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's but I actually watched a couple of like, rewatched
Speaker 2: a couple episodes last night, and I was like, this
Speaker 2: is good. Like I can't tell if I like it
Speaker 2: or it just like activates me in some weird way.
Speaker 2: I think, yes, there's lots of rumors about this being
Speaker 2: the last season, and I think it'd be fine if
Speaker 2: it was the last season, quite frankly, but if it's
Speaker 2: not the last season, I think Jackson needs to come back.
Speaker 2: I also think all of the men on that show
Speaker 2: should want Jax back, because when he was on the show,
Speaker 2: you didn't see how bad all of them were. Ninety
Speaker 2: nine percent of those men are terrible individuals. The only
Speaker 2: one that I can think of off the top of
Speaker 2: my head, and we don't see him very much, but
Speaker 2: he seems to be a decent guy and they have
Speaker 2: a good relationship, is Janet's husband, Jason. All the other
Speaker 2: ones are horrific, horrific individuals. Women should watch this show
Speaker 2: and be like, I don't think I'm gonna get married,
Speaker 2: Like they should all just go live in a commune
Speaker 2: and raise their children themselves, because if you were to
Speaker 2: look at these men as a sample of what's out there, no,
Speaker 2: why would you ever? And Kristin. I feel so bad
Speaker 2: for Kristin because she has this little child attached to her,
Speaker 2: she's going through postpartum, and Luke is the worst of
Speaker 2: all of them. I cannot watch that show and watch
Speaker 2: him without it makes me crazy. I am screaming at
Speaker 2: the TV like he makes me insane. And they wanted
Speaker 2: that child very badly. They wanted that child, and now
Speaker 2: that they have it, he's acting like a complete douchebag.
Speaker 1: You think Luke is worse than Danny.
Speaker 2: You know what, It's depends on the week, but they're
Speaker 2: both horrible. They're both really really bad. Danny's really bad.
Speaker 2: But my opinion of Nina actually or Nia lately has
Speaker 2: changed when when I when I originally watched it, like
Speaker 2: I thought that she was definitely a lot sweeter in
Speaker 2: the beginning, but I'm getting like, like, I feel like
Speaker 2: she's pulling the strings a little bit, and I think
Speaker 2: she she's she's definitely covering for him in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways.
Speaker 1: And absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2: She's covering for him in so many ways, and it
Speaker 2: makes me worried about her, like what is actually going on?
Speaker 1: Yes, it makes me worried about her too, because you know,
Speaker 1: she had a baby and then she had twins and
Speaker 1: if that wasn't enough, they were like, let's just let's
Speaker 1: just keep it going. I mean, and I understand a
Speaker 1: lot of young people were like, well, if we're gonna
Speaker 1: have kids. Let's just knock it all out, and they
Speaker 1: get terrible for ten years and then you know, and
Speaker 1: then we'll be on the other side of it. But
Speaker 1: if you don't have a good relationship, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you're going to get on the other side of it.
Speaker 1: And if your husband is lying constantly about his drinking,
Speaker 1: you know, let me tell you. You don't know this about me.
Speaker 1: My husband is twelve years sober. So this Nia and
Speaker 1: Danny thing is like super triggering for me because his
Speaker 1: behavior is so familiar to me, and her behavior is
Speaker 1: also familiar to me, the protecting and deflecting and look
Speaker 1: over here, don't look over here, you know. But when
Speaker 1: Lala called her a thug in a prairie dress, I
Speaker 1: was like, now.
Speaker 2: I know, right, Laala, you kind of definitely needed her
Speaker 2: to like pop in here and sort of like express
Speaker 2: her opinion, because she does sort of say what no
Speaker 2: one else is saying. Yes, So when you watch it,
Speaker 2: you can see Nia doing that.
Speaker 1: She's absolutely protecting him and absolutely when he starts to
Speaker 1: spire off, which I know that she just has to
Speaker 1: feel sick going into any event knowing he's going to
Speaker 1: be drinking. No what it's going to turn into, because
Speaker 1: she knows once you get some drinks in him, I
Speaker 1: can't control him. I can't get him to you know, one, two,
Speaker 1: three eyes on me. She can't get him to focus
Speaker 1: because now he's drunk, and now he's mad, and he
Speaker 1: hates a la la stands for everything he hates, you know,
Speaker 1: like single woman, okaying for sexuality. You know, he just
Speaker 1: can't stand that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's terrible. Also, like I know that they are
Speaker 2: on him a lot about it, about his drinking, and
Speaker 2: I don't drink anymore. I wouldn't say that I was
Speaker 2: an alcoholic, but like a year and a half ago
Speaker 2: or so, I just realized it didn't work for me anymore.
Speaker 2: Made me I felt a little depressed afterwards, no matter
Speaker 2: how much I drink. And that might be where he
Speaker 2: is too. Maybe he's not a raging alcoholic, but he
Speaker 2: has an issue. There's an issue there. Also, he's doing
Speaker 2: this on camera. What is he doing when he's not
Speaker 2: on camera?
Speaker 1: That's exactly the way he speaks to her makes you
Speaker 1: think if you're speaking to her knowing that you both
Speaker 1: have microphones on, yes, how are you speaking to her
Speaker 1: when you take the microphones off that Nanny has seen
Speaker 1: some shit, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also think that she's got some fight in
Speaker 2: her too, So I'd like to hear how she talks
Speaker 2: when the cameras aren't rolling and when she's not maked up, too,
Speaker 2: because I don't think she puts up with nearly as
Speaker 2: much as people are thinking that she does, or if
Speaker 2: she is putting up with it, there's a different side
Speaker 2: of her that we have yet to see.
Speaker 1: I think that's right because we have seen it before
Speaker 1: when last season they were on the phone and she
Speaker 1: was like, let me tell you something. You go home
Speaker 1: and do this and then you go you know, and
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, glimpses, yeah, glimpses.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's glimpses of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that maybe that's why he drinks. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. But it's interesting that you think Luke
Speaker 1: is worse because a lot of people have such strong
Speaker 1: feelings on Luke. And I did actually appreciate this week
Speaker 1: when when they were in therapy and she said, I
Speaker 1: she said, this will watch what happens. I've told him
Speaker 1: when we're in therapy, say it, like, get it out
Speaker 1: while we're in therapy. You don't talk to me like
Speaker 1: that at home. But for him to say, you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted you to have this baby, but then I
Speaker 1: had never met pregnant Kristin. But then, but then he's
Speaker 1: pushing to have another baby.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It doesn't make any sense to me. I
Speaker 2: love that scene though, and the therapist in Kristin, I
Speaker 2: thought they wanted I thought they were going to like
Speaker 2: beat his ass. That therapist like looked at her like what, yeah.
Speaker 1: I love the therapists. Yeah whoa said it?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So she even had a huge reaction, so that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's terrible. I feel bad for Kristen because she's like
Speaker 2: in it. You know, she's got this small child attached
Speaker 2: to her. But I'm curious, you know, where will she
Speaker 2: be in five years? You know.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm excited for the reunion. I know they just
Speaker 1: filmed it obviously, because they did some like looks of
Speaker 1: the reunion. I'm excited to see sort of where we
Speaker 1: are now because when you have just had that baby,
Speaker 1: and I can imagine, especially for Nia has had like
Speaker 1: back to back kids, and it's all filmed. And that's
Speaker 1: why people don't like the show, because they think it's dark,
Speaker 1: but in my mind, I'm like, it's really a real
Speaker 1: representation of that time in your life. And you know,
Speaker 1: while we have people that age on Summer House, you know,
Speaker 1: we've got people in the valley sort of like in
Speaker 1: it with like marriage and babies, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I find it. I find it fascinating and I'll be
Speaker 1: very sad if they cancel it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like I said, I kind of hate watch it.
Speaker 2: But then there are times when I'm watching it, I'm like, wait, no,
Speaker 2: this is actually really good and there's some real stuff
Speaker 2: happening here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, Now question for you, what what else
Speaker 1: are you watching? So if you're not watching like Bravo
Speaker 1: or sitting around waiting for the E show to happen,
Speaker 1: what are you watching.
Speaker 2: I rewatch a lot of things. I watch a lot
Speaker 2: of movies. I'm you know, I write horror and comedy
Speaker 2: and those are the kind of things that I watch.
Speaker 2: But I do love reality TV. I find it like
Speaker 2: I'm able to watch it and I can kind of
Speaker 2: like switch my brain off. I find that if I
Speaker 2: It's the same way with reading, Like when I'm writing,
Speaker 2: I don't read a lot of fiction. I can read memoirs,
Speaker 2: like anything like a magazine or something on the subway
Speaker 2: or whatever, because I like people's stories and I like
Speaker 2: to absorb people's stories. But like fiction or something scripted,
Speaker 2: I'm a little pickier about watching or reading. But there
Speaker 2: are things in the horror world that I'm very excited
Speaker 2: about coming up. Like there's a Crystal like series. There's
Speaker 2: a Carry series happening.
Speaker 1: I saw about the Carrey series. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm super excited about that. The new season of
Speaker 2: American Horror Story is following the Coven storyline, which was
Speaker 2: my favorite season. Yeah, so I'm super excited about that.
Speaker 2: I started watching Real Housewives of London and I think
Speaker 2: it's going well. I was very upset about uh, Ladies
Speaker 2: of London being canceled because I loved.
Speaker 1: It beyond I would listen to it. Listen. If they
Speaker 1: said to me, we're going to cancel The Valley or
Speaker 1: cancel Ladies of London, it would be a Sophie's choice
Speaker 1: for me. But I would say, Okay, we're done with
Speaker 1: the Valley, give me more Ladies of London.
Speaker 2: Yes, Because we were like, we're robbed, We're robbed of
Speaker 2: what could have happened with that show. It was such
Speaker 2: a great cast. It was so interesting. It made me
Speaker 2: want to move to London. So Andy Cohen, they talked.
Speaker 2: Andy Cohn was talking about that it was the ratings,
Speaker 2: that that's reason why Ladies of London was canceled. Do
Speaker 2: you believe that? Because it took him a while to
Speaker 2: say that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I believe it or not believe it.
Speaker 1: But every person I know, every Bravo podcast or every
Speaker 1: you know, Bravo influencer, everybody was obsessed with it. You
Speaker 1: didn't find me like like a lot of people were
Speaker 1: kind of hot and cold on OC and you'd get
Speaker 1: a lot of people hot and cold about lots of things.
Speaker 1: But everybody loved the show.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was great, and it was great because of
Speaker 2: the cast. I mean, there wasn't a lot of drama happening.
Speaker 2: It just was like this sort of just a magical
Speaker 2: cast that they put together. Do you think. So there
Speaker 2: was rumors about Margo's husband potentially suing, although she went
Speaker 2: on Jeff Lewis's radio show and said that that was
Speaker 2: not the case and that if it was the case,
Speaker 2: you'd be able to find a lawsuit. So obviously a
Speaker 2: lawsuit wasn't filed, But do you think that potentially he
Speaker 2: threatened to sue and then on top of that, they
Speaker 2: had you know, late uh Real Housewives of London potentially
Speaker 2: in the can to use on Peacock or Bravo as well.
Speaker 2: So do you think maybe they're like, uh, we'll just
Speaker 2: cut our losses. Like I don't. I'm very fascinated on
Speaker 2: what happened, and I do remember like she's made a
Speaker 2: comment about going off of social media, but she literally
Speaker 2: went off social media like right before this came out,
Speaker 2: as though she like knew something was coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the margo of it is interesting, and
Speaker 1: it's also interesting that she went on Jeff's show like
Speaker 1: after it was canceled, right like because people were doing
Speaker 1: so much press before that she wasn't doing anything.
Speaker 2: Oh she did. She did appear. She appeared while the
Speaker 2: show was airing. She did appear on Jeff's show also.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so she appeared twice. Yeah, yeah, I found that.
Speaker 1: It's also weird to me too that they had the
Speaker 1: cast we had, Mark, we had, Kimmy, we had we
Speaker 1: had almost every cast member was either on Watch What
Speaker 1: Happens Live like Bartender or like sitting with Andy and
Speaker 1: doing tons of press and tons of podcasts and everything.
Speaker 1: So they were paying for all this pr and then
Speaker 1: they haled it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we're not getting the full story.
Speaker 2: Definitely not I like the full story. I'd like to
Speaker 2: know what happened. I also, I really loved Mark Francis
Speaker 2: on that show. I know that there's been like a
Speaker 2: lot of talk because you know, Bravo's audience is women
Speaker 2: and gay men primarily, and there's been a lot of
Speaker 2: talk on how to incorporate like maybe a gay character
Speaker 2: into the Housewives. And while that wasn't The Housewives, I
Speaker 2: think that they did it brilliantly. Like he totally fit in.
Speaker 2: He's a very interesting character. I mean, he lives in
Speaker 2: Oscar wild, it's flat. Yeah, he's just he's very interesting. Again,
Speaker 2: I don't know that i'd like him in person, he
Speaker 2: seems like a lot, but as some as a viewer
Speaker 2: watching something and you know, a writer who's interested in characters,
Speaker 2: I found him very fascinating.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. And then the whole thing with Hecate
Speaker 1: dying and we didn't.
Speaker 2: Get oh I know, I know, because he drowned, right,
Speaker 2: he drowned in the bathtub. He drowned in the bathtub
Speaker 2: during the heat wave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she said he was always so careful around water,
Speaker 1: and then he I was like, oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: like a wild bird she found in her yard that
Speaker 1: she made her pet. You just can't you just can't
Speaker 1: make it up. You can't make it up. It's fascinating. Well,
Speaker 1: I hope with all the uproar about it, I kind
Speaker 1: of hope that maybe they'll sort of revisit bringing it
Speaker 1: back and sort of give us a Miami situation where
Speaker 1: they'll make us wait a little bit and then they'll
Speaker 1: bring it back with the same people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think waiting would be a mistake. Though. That's
Speaker 2: a problem. Like it was so magical right when it
Speaker 2: was filming. They should have picked up cameras right away, unless, like,
Speaker 2: do you think because it's in London that it's an
Speaker 2: especially expensive show. I don't know, is that more expensive
Speaker 2: than New York or Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. They just have their team there that
Speaker 1: does it.
Speaker 2: You know, they're not paying them barely anything. You know,
Speaker 2: it's first season, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sure lay Real Housewives of London. I know that I
Speaker 1: had a listener write me and said that they had
Speaker 1: already seen the first season because it's aired in England. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they were like, I gotta tell you, it's nowhere
Speaker 1: near as good as Ladies of London. I don't know
Speaker 1: what Bravo was thinking by picking this up instead of
Speaker 1: Lady's of London. It's just doesn't compare. I watched the
Speaker 1: first episode and it kind of lost me. Is so
Speaker 1: maybe I need to try again.
Speaker 2: If you if you thought it was good, I think
Speaker 2: it has promise. I think it's interesting. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's as good as Ladies of London, but I think
Speaker 2: you you can't really compare it to that. I did
Speaker 2: see the trailer though, and Derinda pops up, which I
Speaker 2: found very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yes, she doesn't want you to ever forget she lived
Speaker 1: in London.
Speaker 2: No, never, and she's like, I forget them that character's name.
Speaker 2: I don't have all the characters' names, but she is
Speaker 2: friends with the one who seems to be the most reserved.
Speaker 2: But in the trailer, she like loses her mind because
Speaker 2: there's I think, like an American where there's like another
Speaker 2: Juliette who's joining in like episode five or something like that,
Speaker 2: and apparently like she comes in and really starts stirring
Speaker 2: stuff up. So it will be interesting. It'll be interesting
Speaker 2: to watch these women who are so poised and like
Speaker 2: reserved and proper like lose their minds because they're going
Speaker 2: to Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's why I like Ladies of London. Yeah, okay, did you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you did. What did you think
Speaker 1: of Real housew as a Rhode Islander our newest franchise.
Speaker 2: I loved every minute of it, loved every minute of it.
Speaker 2: I have questions. I'd like somebody to do, like a
Speaker 2: really in depth interview, because I want to know. I
Speaker 2: pieced some things together based on social media and what
Speaker 2: cast members have said, but I want to know when
Speaker 2: was this cast, what was that process, who brought who?
Speaker 2: Because it's perfect, it's perfect how it happened. But I
Speaker 2: have a feeling like it's been in the works for
Speaker 2: a long time and from what I understand, it's like
Speaker 2: a two year thing and like it's but it's perfect.
Speaker 2: I don't know how especially like and I don't know
Speaker 2: no offense to Rhode Island, but I had no idea
Speaker 2: about the personalities there, and just just the fact that
Speaker 2: they were able to piece together this brilliant cast, each
Speaker 2: one there is no weak link. They're all great, and
Speaker 2: just the fact that they were able to do that
Speaker 2: makes me wonder, Okay, where is Real Housewives of New Orleans?
Speaker 2: Where is Real Housewives of Austin? Where is? It just
Speaker 2: made me open my brain to potential new franchises, which
Speaker 2: should also make established franchises a little bit worried. Because
Speaker 2: if you have Real Housewives of Rhode Island coming on
Speaker 2: and just like blowing it out of the water and
Speaker 2: everybody loving it, and you know it didn't cost barely
Speaker 2: anything for them to make it, none of them are
Speaker 2: making money in the beginning. Then you have, you know,
Speaker 2: cast like Orange County, which has been around twenty years now,
Speaker 2: or Beverly Hills, which cost a fortune, although that's more
Speaker 2: of a lifestyle show, so that might be exempt from this.
Speaker 2: But all these other shows that have been around for
Speaker 2: a long time, like I don't know, like I it
Speaker 2: might be time to start retiring shows. What do you
Speaker 2: think about that?
Speaker 1: That makes me sad because you know, they did that
Speaker 1: to our New York and we did like it. So
Speaker 1: O C is a little different because I think we
Speaker 1: generally the fandom doesn't feel as strongly about the OC
Speaker 1: women as we did our og New York ladies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think people just feel so strongly about that. You know,
Speaker 1: the Luay and the Bethany of the Sonia and you
Speaker 1: know Jill Zeron even God Bless and we feel so
Speaker 1: strongly about that. I am excited about the E Show,
Speaker 1: but and I'm also excited about the New New York
Speaker 1: I think, and as a New Yorker you can speak
Speaker 1: to this. I think they shouldn't have named it real
Speaker 1: House as of New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was their biggest mistake. It should have been
Speaker 2: I mean, there's already in the city or the city
Speaker 2: or whatever, but they should have they should have called
Speaker 2: it something else.
Speaker 1: That was a huge mistakes in Manhattan, just something.
Speaker 2: Something something, or not even housewives. It could have been
Speaker 2: like I don't know, it could have been the I think, well,
Speaker 2: they weren't all moms. I was going to say, maybe
Speaker 2: they could have gone back to the original life idea
Speaker 2: of Roney and called in Manhattan Moms or something like that.
Speaker 2: I just think the mistake was calling it the same
Speaker 2: thing and not sort of refreshing the entry. So it's like,
Speaker 2: what is it real Housewives of New York season whatever.
Speaker 2: But it's like going to be their third season, right.
Speaker 1: I didn't like that at all because they haven't earned that.
Speaker 1: You know, season sixteen, seventeen, they were Season one. They
Speaker 1: were a season one cast, and that's what we should
Speaker 1: have done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be really pissed off if I was
Speaker 2: one of the ogs for them to be on season
Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean they're trying,
Speaker 1: you know, they're kind of rebranding New Jersey, and I
Speaker 1: haven't really heard any buzz either way. We know that
Speaker 1: Milania was in the news for you know, punching her
Speaker 1: stepfather allegedly or her stepbrother. Not sure she punched somebody
Speaker 1: with the initials l R. And hope that'll play out,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I'm kind of concerned about New Jersey. I
Speaker 2: feel like it's been a long time since filming, and
Speaker 2: I just I don't know what that's gonna look like.
Speaker 2: I am happy that Teresa Melissa seem to be on
Speaker 2: a better page. Whether that's manufactured or not, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe it took Maybe it took Teresa. You know, a
Speaker 2: couple of years pause and no paycheck to be like, eh,
Speaker 2: I don't dislike you guys that much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not a giant. Teresa's Dan and
Speaker 1: I hate that Louis, so I'll watch it just because
Speaker 1: I don't want to hate watch that red face monster.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Louis is definitely like a triggering individual. But
Speaker 2: I do you know, watching jen h the New Gens show,
Speaker 2: I Teresa, what I find interesting with her is as
Speaker 2: wild and crazy as she seems to be, and she's arguably,
Speaker 2: like maybe one of the most volatile housewives that we've had.
Speaker 2: Gia seems so well adjusted like her kids. I know,
Speaker 2: Milania is kind of having a little bit of issues,
Speaker 2: but Milania arrived from the womb like that. Like Milania
Speaker 2: was a wild child from the moment, like she was
Speaker 2: on camera, like that's just her personality, Like that's just
Speaker 2: how she was born. But all her other kids, and
Speaker 2: Malania's too. Malanie is not a bad kid. But Teresa's
Speaker 2: doing something right because she seems to have raised some
Speaker 2: really great children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think if you look at it,
Speaker 1: Gia has had to be a parent, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Malania came along as a third daughter into
Speaker 1: this TV world and then God bless Gabrielle. We never
Speaker 1: see her and she's probably the smartest one of all,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, it's yeah. I'm not a huge teresastan,
Speaker 2: but when you think about everything that she's put on TV,
Speaker 2: it's kind of miraculous. Yeah, that's it's amazing what she
Speaker 2: has gone through on TV.
Speaker 1: I could agree. Okay, Now tell everybody about what they
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Speaker 2: No comment?
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Speaker 2: me to change the main character a little bit. They
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Speaker 2: has you know his mistress in a hotel suite, but
Speaker 2: nothing about him, nothing about him, only about Yeah, he's fine,
Speaker 2: but she's a little depressed in the beginning, and oh,
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Speaker 2: I hired editors, I did, I'm doing all the marketing,
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Speaker 1: I am taking the book to we have a beach ouse.
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Speaker 1: so that when people come, because it's I think it's
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Speaker 1: I've got these choices, So I'm going to take it
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Speaker 1: And I got to tell you, there is a little
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there is definitely horror to it, but it's
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Speaker 1: Like it's because it's campy.
Speaker 2: It's super funny. Even you know, it's zombies, so you know, spoiler,
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Speaker 2: It's growing. I'm hoping that it pops off. I appreciate
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, fun fact, I used to work at
Speaker 1: a little local bookstore here in Alexandria, Virginia, and that
Speaker 1: was like, there's a few favorite things about working there
Speaker 1: because I worked my regular job and I worked that
Speaker 1: part time and I was in my twenties, and my
Speaker 1: favorite thing was on Sundays. The people that got the
Speaker 1: New York Times would come in and get their New
Speaker 1: York Times and read it in the store. They would sit, yeah,
Speaker 1: and read it, because you couldn't really get New York
Speaker 1: Times delivered to your house at that way back in
Speaker 1: the olden days. And what I really love too is
Speaker 1: people coming in and asking for books, and if we
Speaker 1: didn't have them, you know, we'd have to go into
Speaker 1: our system and order them for people. And then we
Speaker 1: would always order three, right this person wants someone, now,
Speaker 1: we'll have two on the shelf. And it was always
Speaker 1: great because it was a way to find out about
Speaker 1: books I didn't know about because someone had heard of
Speaker 1: it some way and they wanted they wanted to get
Speaker 1: it from the local bookstore. So I think that's a
Speaker 1: that's a hot tip to go buy your local bookstore
Speaker 1: and ask people to order it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And for the bookstores because I'm in contact
Speaker 2: with like three large bookstores if they're listening to this,
Speaker 2: carry my book because I'm doing interviews and I can
Speaker 2: point people in to where they can buy the book
Speaker 2: in New York City. So yeah, yeah, so buy the book,
Speaker 2: stop the book, do the book.
Speaker 1: And try to buy local if you can. I'm very
Speaker 1: I'm very into local booksellers. Okay, thank you Jason very much,
Speaker 1: and everybody go buy the book and I'll have his
Speaker 1: Instagram link here in the show notes so you can
Speaker 1: click it. It's very it's a good follow as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much, Mary Payne. Okay,