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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It is Thursday, so

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we're going to talk about pop culture and Bravo. And

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I've got an expert today. His name is Jason Zephyr.

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I'm I saying that right. You're saying that right, Okay,

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Jason Zephyr, and he is a pop culture expert and

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a Bravo expert.

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Speaker 2: I would say, yes, definitely. I love Bravo. Real Housewives

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of New York City is not only one of my

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favorite Bravo shows, are my favorite housewife entry into the franchise,

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but it's one of my favorite all time shows. It's

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a comfort watch if I'm ever homesick, I am putting

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on like season six of Real Housewives of New York.

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Speaker 1: Do you live in New York?

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Speaker 2: I do live in New York. I've been here for

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like twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay. Now you are also a writer.

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Speaker 2: I am a writer.

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Speaker 1: Yes, You've written a really good book called Zombies of

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the Upper east Side. Okay, tell me about this book

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because it's like a campy It's like a take on

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these like Upper east Side like fancy ladies, but then

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there's like a zombie apocalypse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's it's a horror comedy. It's definitely campy

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in all the best ways. I really lean into that. Yeah,

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it's a it's about an Upper east Side lady. Her

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name is Charmaine Starling. She's kind of a typical kind

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of society lady. She married into a lot of money,

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but she's going through divorce. Her husband cheated on her.

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He's like he has separated. He's holed up in a

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suite of rooms at the Carl Hotel with his mistress.

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With his mistress, and so they're going through a divorce.

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You know, she didn't have any money in the beginning,

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so it was all him and his family land. So

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now they're trying to make sure that she doesn't leave

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the marriage with anything. So she also has like that

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stink on her of she's gonna be broke. So yes,

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So all the Upper east Side lady, she's a little

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bit of a priya. Now, Now, if that wasn't bad enough,

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if she wasn't already just stressed out about not, you know,

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leaving her marriage with nothing and maybe going back to Yonkers,

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which is where she was originally from, God forbid, If

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that wasn't bad enough, the Upper East side is painted

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as a place where all kinds of weird stuff can happen,

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because it is a little bit of a weird place.

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I think it has the highest propensity or or population

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of billionaires per capitist square mile than anywhere else in

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the world, so it's a very Yeah, so it's a

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very There's also like Park Avenue is like Billionaires Row,

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so it's like the highest number of billionaires to exist

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anywhere in the world and like such a small place. Yeah.

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So if all that wasn't bad enough, there's some weird

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things going on in the background. In the first half

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of the book, people are getting sick, there's like a

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another sort of illness going on, bodies are missing from

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the morgue, and then like in the middle of it,

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she wakes up and it's a full on zombie apocalypse.

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So it's kind of funny watching these kinds of ladies

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kind of like fight against you know, the zombies, and

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they're a little bit scrappier than you would think.

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Speaker 1: Well, isn't that always the case with our housewives?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a character in the book whose name

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is oddly enough, Margot Pain, not to be confused with

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Mary Pain. But as I read the book, I was like, no,

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wait a minute, I don't want my name to be

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so closely associated with this guta rat lady. Ah.

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Speaker 2: Well, the interesting thing about that character in particular, like

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she is her. So her name is Margot Pain. She

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was married to a doctor, she divorced. She's sort of

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of like a warning to what could happen to Charmaine.

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Now what's interesting about that character they called they call

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her the Upper Upper east Side spit Her, And that's

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based on a real person. There was a real person

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on the Upper east Side who was with her shopping carts.

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she would like spit on children or you know, sort

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of like young upstarts. She was not a happy lady. Wow.

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she was divorced and she had had a lot of

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it's a minor character in the story. But I when

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everything to do with the Upper east Side. So I

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tried to absorb as much as I could. And I

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had heard that story and I just wanted to incorporate

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Speaker 1: Okay. Well, it unfortunately is very close to my name,

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but that's okay. You didn't know me at the time.

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Speaker 2: So and I love I love the name Pain too,

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you know, because it can mean so many things, and

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it can be taken literally not literally, like I I

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really like it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a family name and in my family obviously

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that's why I've got it. But you know, there's there's

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Payne Stewart, There's uh it was a famous golfer. There's

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Payne Lindsay who's a famous podcaster. And I have a

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nephew that said his next child he wants to send

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the child Pain as a boy. And I was like,

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I'm here to tell you it's going.

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Speaker 2: To be rough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, rough, it'll be rough to have that name, but

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go go for it, go for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Now you have got a very popular Instagram. I'm

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always obsessed with people who get like a huge following

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on Instagram because I'm out here, like hour myself out

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for every follower.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm proud. I feel like I'm in that

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in that sort of box. Now because a lot of

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things have changed over the last few months, when they

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had that big purge, I lost I don't know a

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crazy amount, but like a thousand followers, and my growth

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sort of stopped, and it stopped right when I was

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launching the book. So that wasn't That wasn't great, but

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it's okay. I still have a lot of followers. I

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got those because I do things like right now, I'm

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doing one hundred days of Buffy because I love Buffy

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Vampire Slayer and I was devastated when Hulu canceled the reboot. Yeah,

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so I do things like that. I've had like Martha

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Mondays where I do some sort of post about Martha

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Stewart because I love her, funny Lady Friday because I

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love funny women. They're probably the people that have inspired

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me the most of anybody. Yeah, so things like that,

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saw this yesterday, so it's like fresh in my mind.

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they follow me. So yesterday it was Wendy McClendon Covey

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follows me. I'm like, what when did that happen? I

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love her, I love her so much.

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Speaker 1: I love her. Yeah, that's cool. Now. Sonia Morgan commented

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on your book does she follow you?

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Speaker 2: She does not follow me. Oddly enough, not many of

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the New York Housewives follow me. I think only Jules Wainstein,

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who was on one season, but yeah, I really liked her.

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She follows me, but none of the other og rony women,

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which is a little disappointing because I love them so much.

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I'm so excited for the Golden Life coming out. I

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love them so much that they may have worked their

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way into my book.

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Speaker 1: You have to read it to find out.

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Speaker 2: I guess yes, you will have to read it to

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find out. But I find it very interesting that Sonia Morgan,

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who doesn't follow me, commented on my book post when

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I announced the book, saying congratulations. She also liked bunch

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of other posts. But I find it very interesting because

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is Sylvia, and she might live on the Upper east Side,

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and she might live in a crumbling townhouse. She might

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also be allegedly broke. She may have a daughter, and

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she may be divorced from a very old man who

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left her for her friends.

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Speaker 1: Does she have a storage unit full of old birkins?

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Speaker 2: She sold them already. Okay, she doesn't have a bag

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to her name? Does she her basement? You don't want

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Speaker 1: Basement, No Crisco, no basics. Oh so funny. Okay, Now,

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Sony Morgan, Now let's talk about the I keep calling

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it the Golden Years. Is it called the Golden Life?

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Speaker 2: The Golden the Golden Life? Right?

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Speaker 1: Okay? The New Roney spin off on each Yeah, yeah, okay,

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the Golden Life, like the well yes, but first of all,

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like when is it coming? Because now they're adding like

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Margaret and some other people which I love in kandas

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push and all like great, but yeah, I assume they're

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coming in as like a friend of like, uh, they're

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just like letting us know that they're coming in as

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like side characters to visit. But what are we getting

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this show?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So, from what I've read and from what I understand,

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filming went really well. So he wanted to add some

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Ramona and Luann are already there, so then they had

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the opportunity to add Margaret Joseph's I guess she had

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originally been in talks about being on the show, but

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she was on some other show on Amazon that's coming out. Yeah,

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I think she actually makes sense. I wasn't like a

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huge fan of her in New Jersey, but she has,

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to the book because the early seasons are very centered

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Speaker 1: I would imagine they don't want to go up against

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Ultimate Girls' Trip because that's a little bit of the

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time for it to come out regardless. And I don't

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the problem is going to be sort of to get

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Speaker 2: I think there is. I mean people, there's definitely buzz

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about it. People are excited to see it. People wanted

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the Ogs to come back to Bravo for whatever reason.

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don't I don't know, I don't know why Bravo didn't

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Speaker 1: Well, my question for you is I'm sure you've seen

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the new Rony trailer for the new season with you know,

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we've got Si, We've got Jessel, we've got Carol Radziwell

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that's it, right, Si and Jessel and Aaron, and then

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I've been fooled by a trailer before where I've been like,

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this is gonna be the best thing, and then it sucks.

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and the two seasons that they had. It does seem

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like maybe their brand off a little bit more, which

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is sort of ironic because Carol Radziwell is joining, but

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I'm interested in seeing her on the show. I always

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liked her. We do see, we'll see, and then sighs

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going crazy about the Jeffrey absteeing things, And yeah, I

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don't think she. I don't think Carol expected that going

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't expect she. She thinks she'd be called

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out on the street for that. And Si, of course,

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just like they announced she's getting a divorce, you know,

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right as they were filling. So we always love a

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divorce during one of our Housewives seasons. It makes it spicy, yeah.

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Speaker 2: For sure, because she's like angry and she's you know,

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Carol's gonna get it. It looks like.

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speaking of divorce, you know Salt Lake City, we've got

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their either filming or have wrapped, and I imagine we're

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going to be because they usually launch that in the winter.

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I feel like to go with the Salt Lakes theme. Yeah,

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but we've got three divorces going on there. We've got

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Bronwyn and Whitney and Justin are separated, and now we've

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got the Angie k separation. The Angik just really like

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that took me down. I was upsetting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, except when I watched the last season when they

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did have scenes together with their child. Like, I think

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you can see that there's a disconnect. I think it

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probably became more of a friendship rather than like a

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romantic relationship. Okay, interesting, that's kind of like I thought.

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I I vividly sort of remember thinking that when I

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would watch those scenes, I was like, oh, there's not

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a lot of like there's no heat left.

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Speaker 1: It seems I see what you're saying. That they seemed

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more like because they are like business partners and the

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radio child together, and I think, you know, when they

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I think this happens a lot when you have a

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new franchise starting that. I think the husbands are always

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pretty stunned when focus turns on them, like like you know,

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like wait, why why is anybody asking what I'm doing?

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You know, because I definitely than Seth. It definitely happened

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bron went and Todd, and of course Todd did not

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like that.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, he was terrible.

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Speaker 1: So Sean, I think, was very stunned to find that

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people were now chatting about his sexuality and this, that

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and the other. So that wasn't great for their marriage.

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Speaker 2: Probably no, it probably yeah, yeah, for sure, definitely not good.

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Speaker 1: Mary Cosby susband too, just it was like nope, I'm out.

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I live in Florida. Now fuck this.

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Speaker 2: There's like, no, there's only Lisa's husband, Lisa's husband and

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Meredith's susband. They're the only They're the last one standing.

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Speaker 1: What did you think about Lisa's post with her and

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John Barlow and like matching jeans and white T shirts

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with their Veta tequila in their hand, being like still

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standing strong.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of bitchy, but like in

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the best possible way. Clearly she must not be on

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good terms with Angie k right now, because that's rubbing

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it in a little bit. But I wouldn't expect anything

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less from her. But I still love her.

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Speaker 1: I love her too. I thought it was not nice. No,

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you definitely nice, sort of like haha, I'm still married

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and you're not. I mean, I don't know, but I

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was very sad about that. But it's going to be

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a great season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I like Salt Lake. I think it's interesting.

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I think they still have a lot of story left

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in them. Oh yeah, I'm curious what this new season

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is going to be like because it starts filming like

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literally right after Mary's Son past. Yeah, it's that's.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot. Yeah, it is going to be a

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speaking of dark my god. Yeah, So we've got Salt Lake.

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So are you watching oc? I mean, are you watching

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it or you hate watching it? Are you like me?

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I'm just like I'll watch anything they give me. So

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I'm just watching it.

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Speaker 2: I'm watching it. Oc is not a show that I've

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watched from the very beginning. I don't even think I

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found it until COVID when I was looking for other

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things to watch. I tried to watch the early seasons

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and I just couldn't because like the production value is

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like terrible, and it's just it's so hard to watch.

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But I did go back and I watched up until

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when Shannon's first season. So there's a lot of like

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criticism about Shannon, but I've always found Shannon to be

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a really interesting character. Yeah, so I'm watching it. Is

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it like the best show ever? No, I mean it's not,

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but I mean I like it. It's I'm interested in it.

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I'm glad that Vicky's back. I do find her to

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be like just an interesting individualist, like a writer who

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looks at things like character wise. I think she's an

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interesting character. I don't know that she's somebody that I

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would like in real life, but I like watching her.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting because a lot of people have also been like,

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we didn't need it. Why is Vicky back? I was like,

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it's the twentieth season. They had to bring it back.

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It was a great step and it works and she's delivering,

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you know, and you know, lover hate Vicky and people

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get mad at me when I say this. She is

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the og of the OC and people will be like, no,

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Gina was cast first. I don't care. Vicky's the one

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that's been on the longest, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like nostalgics. I have her back on.

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She's literally the og of all of them, like she

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she started this, so yeah, I think it was only

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fair to have her back on.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree. Did you have did you have opinions on?

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People had a lot of strong opinions about Gina Keo

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doing a GoFundMe for her health care. I mean, in

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my mind, I'm like, if she doesn't have the money

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to pay for her healthcare, I don't think there's any

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problem with it. That's where we are in this country.

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But people are like, no, it's tone deaf because they

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went on a vacation to Tahiti. And I'm like, well,

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two things can be true, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it's complicated. We don't know the

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details of you know, her finances. Would I personally start

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to go find me, no, but you know, to each

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their own. Apparently she can't work now, she's a real

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stag agent. She can't talk like she had part of

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her tongue removes. So this is I don't know what

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I would actually do in a situation like that. Yeah, so,

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I mean I don't falter in it at all. Like

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I hope she has a you know, speedy recovery and

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only good thoughts towards her.

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Speaker 1: God bless, it's terrible. Okay, speaking of things that are

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dark and God bless and terrible, I am obsessed with

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The Valley. I love the Valley. I love everything about

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The Valley. I am upset to hear rumors that it's

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going to be canceled. At the very least, they've got

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to keep it around for Jack's Day, his ex publicist,

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and Michelle Danny doctor Dre. That's that's enough to give

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us another season, right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so The Valley is definitely my hate watch. Okay,

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it's but I actually watched a couple of like, rewatched

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a couple episodes last night, and I was like, this

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is good. Like I can't tell if I like it

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or it just like activates me in some weird way.

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I think, yes, there's lots of rumors about this being

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the last season, and I think it'd be fine if

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it was the last season, quite frankly, but if it's

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not the last season, I think Jackson needs to come back.

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I also think all of the men on that show

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should want Jax back, because when he was on the show,

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you didn't see how bad all of them were. Ninety

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nine percent of those men are terrible individuals. The only

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one that I can think of off the top of

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my head, and we don't see him very much, but

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he seems to be a decent guy and they have

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a good relationship, is Janet's husband, Jason. All the other

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ones are horrific, horrific individuals. Women should watch this show

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and be like, I don't think I'm gonna get married,

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Like they should all just go live in a commune

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and raise their children themselves, because if you were to

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look at these men as a sample of what's out there, no,

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why would you ever? And Kristin. I feel so bad

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for Kristin because she has this little child attached to her,

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she's going through postpartum, and Luke is the worst of

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all of them. I cannot watch that show and watch

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him without it makes me crazy. I am screaming at

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the TV like he makes me insane. And they wanted

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that child very badly. They wanted that child, and now

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that they have it, he's acting like a complete douchebag.

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Speaker 1: You think Luke is worse than Danny.

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Speaker 2: You know what, It's depends on the week, but they're

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both horrible. They're both really really bad. Danny's really bad.

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But my opinion of Nina actually or Nia lately has

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changed when when I when I originally watched it, like

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I thought that she was definitely a lot sweeter in

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the beginning, but I'm getting like, like, I feel like

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she's pulling the strings a little bit, and I think

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she she's she's definitely covering for him in a lot

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of ways.

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Speaker 1: And absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 2: She's covering for him in so many ways, and it

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makes me worried about her, like what is actually going on?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it makes me worried about her too, because you know,

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she had a baby and then she had twins and

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if that wasn't enough, they were like, let's just let's

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lot of young people were like, well, if we're gonna

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00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,680
have kids. Let's just knock it all out, and they

471
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,960
get terrible for ten years and then you know, and

472
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,799
then we'll be on the other side of it. But

473
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,559
if you don't have a good relationship, I don't know

474
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,039
how you're going to get on the other side of it.

475
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:12,599
And if your husband is lying constantly about his drinking,

476
00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:17,200
you know, let me tell you. You don't know this about me.

477
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,400
My husband is twelve years sober. So this Nia and

478
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,759
Danny thing is like super triggering for me because his

479
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,039
behavior is so familiar to me, and her behavior is

480
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:29,920
also familiar to me, the protecting and deflecting and look

481
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,039
over here, don't look over here, you know. But when

482
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:34,960
Lala called her a thug in a prairie dress, I

483
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,039
was like, now.

484
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:40,039
Speaker 2: I know, right, Laala, you kind of definitely needed her

485
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:43,640
to like pop in here and sort of like express

486
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,880
her opinion, because she does sort of say what no

487
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,240
one else is saying. Yes, So when you watch it,

488
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,200
you can see Nia doing that.

489
00:26:54,519 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: She's absolutely protecting him and absolutely when he starts to

490
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,359
spire off, which I know that she just has to

491
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,039
feel sick going into any event knowing he's going to

492
00:27:05,079 --> 00:27:07,640
be drinking. No what it's going to turn into, because

493
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,440
she knows once you get some drinks in him, I

494
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,880
can't control him. I can't get him to you know, one, two,

495
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,599
three eyes on me. She can't get him to focus

496
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,920
because now he's drunk, and now he's mad, and he

497
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,759
hates a la la stands for everything he hates, you know,

498
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:27,119
like single woman, okaying for sexuality. You know, he just

499
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,400
can't stand that.

500
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's terrible. Also, like I know that they are

501
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,920
on him a lot about it, about his drinking, and

502
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,559
I don't drink anymore. I wouldn't say that I was

503
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,720
an alcoholic, but like a year and a half ago

504
00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:45,359
or so, I just realized it didn't work for me anymore.

505
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,079
Made me I felt a little depressed afterwards, no matter

506
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,799
how much I drink. And that might be where he

507
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,799
is too. Maybe he's not a raging alcoholic, but he

508
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,759
has an issue. There's an issue there. Also, he's doing

509
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:01,599
this on camera. What is he doing when he's not

510
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:02,480
on camera?

511
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: That's exactly the way he speaks to her makes you

512
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:08,960
think if you're speaking to her knowing that you both

513
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,920
have microphones on, yes, how are you speaking to her

514
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,160
when you take the microphones off that Nanny has seen

515
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,000
some shit, you know.

516
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also think that she's got some fight in

517
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,160
her too, So I'd like to hear how she talks

518
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,240
when the cameras aren't rolling and when she's not maked up, too,

519
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,799
because I don't think she puts up with nearly as

520
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,240
much as people are thinking that she does, or if

521
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,759
she is putting up with it, there's a different side

522
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:39,240
of her that we have yet to see.

523
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,359
Speaker 1: I think that's right because we have seen it before

524
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,640
when last season they were on the phone and she

525
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,440
was like, let me tell you something. You go home

526
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,359
and do this and then you go you know, and

527
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,119
you're like, yeah, glimpses, yeah, glimpses.

528
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:55,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's glimpses of it. Yeah.

529
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: I think that maybe that's why he drinks. I don't know.

530
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,240
I'm just kidding. But it's interesting that you think Luke

531
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,480
is worse because a lot of people have such strong

532
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:08,720
feelings on Luke. And I did actually appreciate this week

533
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:11,839
when when they were in therapy and she said, I

534
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:14,119
she said, this will watch what happens. I've told him

535
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:17,119
when we're in therapy, say it, like, get it out

536
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,839
while we're in therapy. You don't talk to me like

537
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,599
that at home. But for him to say, you know,

538
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,200
I wanted you to have this baby, but then I

539
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,079
had never met pregnant Kristin. But then, but then he's

540
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:30,680
pushing to have another baby.

541
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It doesn't make any sense to me. I

542
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,119
love that scene though, and the therapist in Kristin, I

543
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:39,960
thought they wanted I thought they were going to like

544
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:46,839
beat his ass. That therapist like looked at her like what, yeah.

545
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,319
Speaker 1: I love the therapists. Yeah whoa said it?

546
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So she even had a huge reaction, so that. Yeah,

547
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:59,519
he's terrible. I feel bad for Kristen because she's like

548
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:02,720
in it. You know, she's got this small child attached

549
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,200
to her. But I'm curious, you know, where will she

550
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,200
be in five years? You know.

551
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm excited for the reunion. I know they just

552
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:14,839
filmed it obviously, because they did some like looks of

553
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,039
the reunion. I'm excited to see sort of where we

554
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,000
are now because when you have just had that baby,

555
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,640
and I can imagine, especially for Nia has had like

556
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,920
back to back kids, and it's all filmed. And that's

557
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,039
why people don't like the show, because they think it's dark,

558
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:31,079
but in my mind, I'm like, it's really a real

559
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,519
representation of that time in your life. And you know,

560
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:39,519
while we have people that age on Summer House, you know,

561
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:41,599
we've got people in the valley sort of like in

562
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,160
it with like marriage and babies, and I don't know,

563
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,359
I find it. I find it fascinating and I'll be

564
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,640
very sad if they cancel it.

565
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like I said, I kind of hate watch it.

566
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,960
But then there are times when I'm watching it, I'm like, wait, no,

567
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:58,559
this is actually really good and there's some real stuff

568
00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,440
happening here.

569
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, Now question for you, what what else

570
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:08,640
are you watching? So if you're not watching like Bravo

571
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:10,960
or sitting around waiting for the E show to happen,

572
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:12,240
what are you watching.

573
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,519
Speaker 2: I rewatch a lot of things. I watch a lot

574
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:19,839
of movies. I'm you know, I write horror and comedy

575
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:21,720
and those are the kind of things that I watch.

576
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:26,759
But I do love reality TV. I find it like

577
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:28,480
I'm able to watch it and I can kind of

578
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:31,920
like switch my brain off. I find that if I

579
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,160
It's the same way with reading, Like when I'm writing,

580
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:38,960
I don't read a lot of fiction. I can read memoirs,

581
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:42,119
like anything like a magazine or something on the subway

582
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,799
or whatever, because I like people's stories and I like

583
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:49,279
to absorb people's stories. But like fiction or something scripted,

584
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:54,519
I'm a little pickier about watching or reading. But there

585
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,559
are things in the horror world that I'm very excited

586
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,960
about coming up. Like there's a Crystal like series. There's

587
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,759
a Carry series happening.

588
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: I saw about the Carrey series. That's interesting.

589
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm super excited about that. The new season of

590
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,759
American Horror Story is following the Coven storyline, which was

591
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:17,799
my favorite season. Yeah, so I'm super excited about that.

592
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,559
I started watching Real Housewives of London and I think

593
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:25,559
it's going well. I was very upset about uh, Ladies

594
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,640
of London being canceled because I loved.

595
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: It beyond I would listen to it. Listen. If they

596
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,720
said to me, we're going to cancel The Valley or

597
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:37,119
cancel Ladies of London, it would be a Sophie's choice

598
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:38,759
for me. But I would say, Okay, we're done with

599
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:40,720
the Valley, give me more Ladies of London.

600
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: Yes, Because we were like, we're robbed, We're robbed of

601
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,000
what could have happened with that show. It was such

602
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,319
a great cast. It was so interesting. It made me

603
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:55,279
want to move to London. So Andy Cohen, they talked.

604
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,599
Andy Cohn was talking about that it was the ratings,

605
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:03,039
that that's reason why Ladies of London was canceled. Do

606
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:05,400
you believe that? Because it took him a while to

607
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:05,920
say that.

608
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,599
Speaker 1: I don't know if I believe it or not believe it.

609
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,559
But every person I know, every Bravo podcast or every

610
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,400
you know, Bravo influencer, everybody was obsessed with it. You

611
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,279
didn't find me like like a lot of people were

612
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:24,279
kind of hot and cold on OC and you'd get

613
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:26,599
a lot of people hot and cold about lots of things.

614
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,519
But everybody loved the show.

615
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it was great, and it was great because of

616
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,400
the cast. I mean, there wasn't a lot of drama happening.

617
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:41,359
It just was like this sort of just a magical

618
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,039
cast that they put together. Do you think. So there

619
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:53,279
was rumors about Margo's husband potentially suing, although she went

620
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:57,119
on Jeff Lewis's radio show and said that that was

621
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,559
not the case and that if it was the case,

622
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:01,680
you'd be able to find a lawsuit. So obviously a

623
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:05,480
lawsuit wasn't filed, But do you think that potentially he

624
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,719
threatened to sue and then on top of that, they

625
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,760
had you know, late uh Real Housewives of London potentially

626
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,400
in the can to use on Peacock or Bravo as well.

627
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,000
So do you think maybe they're like, uh, we'll just

628
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:25,440
cut our losses. Like I don't. I'm very fascinated on

629
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:29,480
what happened, and I do remember like she's made a

630
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:33,599
comment about going off of social media, but she literally

631
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,199
went off social media like right before this came out,

632
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,639
as though she like knew something was coming.

633
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the margo of it is interesting, and

634
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,000
it's also interesting that she went on Jeff's show like

635
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:50,199
after it was canceled, right like because people were doing

636
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,880
so much press before that she wasn't doing anything.

637
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: Oh she did. She did appear. She appeared while the

638
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,239
show was airing. She did appear on Jeff's show also.

639
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so she appeared twice. Yeah, yeah, I found that.

640
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:10,039
It's also weird to me too that they had the

641
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:14,239
cast we had, Mark, we had, Kimmy, we had we

642
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,199
had almost every cast member was either on Watch What

643
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,679
Happens Live like Bartender or like sitting with Andy and

644
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,639
doing tons of press and tons of podcasts and everything.

645
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,679
So they were paying for all this pr and then

646
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:28,360
they haled it.

647
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we're not getting the full story.

648
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:34,760
Definitely not I like the full story. I'd like to

649
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,679
know what happened. I also, I really loved Mark Francis

650
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,119
on that show. I know that there's been like a

651
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:44,440
lot of talk because you know, Bravo's audience is women

652
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,760
and gay men primarily, and there's been a lot of

653
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,119
talk on how to incorporate like maybe a gay character

654
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,760
into the Housewives. And while that wasn't The Housewives, I

655
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,880
think that they did it brilliantly. Like he totally fit in.

656
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:01,239
He's a very interesting character. I mean, he lives in

657
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:07,119
Oscar wild, it's flat. Yeah, he's just he's very interesting. Again,

658
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:08,840
I don't know that i'd like him in person, he

659
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,079
seems like a lot, but as some as a viewer

660
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,400
watching something and you know, a writer who's interested in characters,

661
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,880
I found him very fascinating.

662
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:22,639
Speaker 1: I completely agree. And then the whole thing with Hecate

663
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,960
dying and we didn't.

664
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,599
Speaker 2: Get oh I know, I know, because he drowned, right,

665
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,599
he drowned in the bathtub. He drowned in the bathtub

666
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:32,559
during the heat wave.

667
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she said he was always so careful around water,

668
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,559
and then he I was like, oh my god, it's

669
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,079
like a wild bird she found in her yard that

670
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:43,159
she made her pet. You just can't you just can't

671
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:46,519
make it up. You can't make it up. It's fascinating. Well,

672
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:50,039
I hope with all the uproar about it, I kind

673
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,320
of hope that maybe they'll sort of revisit bringing it

674
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,920
back and sort of give us a Miami situation where

675
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,840
they'll make us wait a little bit and then they'll

676
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,199
bring it back with the same people.

677
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think waiting would be a mistake. Though. That's

678
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,000
a problem. Like it was so magical right when it

679
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:09,480
was filming. They should have picked up cameras right away, unless, like,

680
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:11,639
do you think because it's in London that it's an

681
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,719
especially expensive show. I don't know, is that more expensive

682
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,239
than New York or Beverly Hills.

683
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. They just have their team there that

684
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:20,880
does it.

685
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: You know, they're not paying them barely anything. You know,

686
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,719
it's first season, so I don't know.

687
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: Sure lay Real Housewives of London. I know that I

688
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:33,239
had a listener write me and said that they had

689
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,079
already seen the first season because it's aired in England. Yeah,

690
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:38,440
and they were like, I gotta tell you, it's nowhere

691
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,280
near as good as Ladies of London. I don't know

692
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,119
what Bravo was thinking by picking this up instead of

693
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,559
Lady's of London. It's just doesn't compare. I watched the

694
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:50,239
first episode and it kind of lost me. Is so

695
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,320
maybe I need to try again.

696
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: If you if you thought it was good, I think

697
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:56,679
it has promise. I think it's interesting. I don't think

698
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,719
it's as good as Ladies of London, but I think

699
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,239
you you can't really compare it to that. I did

700
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,719
see the trailer though, and Derinda pops up, which I

701
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:07,840
found very interesting.

702
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: Yes, she doesn't want you to ever forget she lived

703
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:11,400
in London.

704
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: No, never, and she's like, I forget them that character's name.

705
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:19,840
I don't have all the characters' names, but she is

706
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,760
friends with the one who seems to be the most reserved.

707
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,519
But in the trailer, she like loses her mind because

708
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:31,280
there's I think, like an American where there's like another

709
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,400
Juliette who's joining in like episode five or something like that,

710
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,440
and apparently like she comes in and really starts stirring

711
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,079
stuff up. So it will be interesting. It'll be interesting

712
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,840
to watch these women who are so poised and like

713
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:49,679
reserved and proper like lose their minds because they're going

714
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,000
to Yeah.

715
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,199
Speaker 1: That's why I like Ladies of London. Yeah, okay, did you?

716
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,880
I mean, I'm sure you did. What did you think

717
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,599
of Real housew as a Rhode Islander our newest franchise.

718
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: I loved every minute of it, loved every minute of it.

719
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,719
I have questions. I'd like somebody to do, like a

720
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,559
really in depth interview, because I want to know. I

721
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,199
pieced some things together based on social media and what

722
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,960
cast members have said, but I want to know when

723
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:24,119
was this cast, what was that process, who brought who?

724
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,239
Because it's perfect, it's perfect how it happened. But I

725
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,119
have a feeling like it's been in the works for

726
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:33,519
a long time and from what I understand, it's like

727
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,679
a two year thing and like it's but it's perfect.

728
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,000
I don't know how especially like and I don't know

729
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,159
no offense to Rhode Island, but I had no idea

730
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:47,119
about the personalities there, and just just the fact that

731
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:51,039
they were able to piece together this brilliant cast, each

732
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:55,119
one there is no weak link. They're all great, and

733
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,719
just the fact that they were able to do that

734
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,199
makes me wonder, Okay, where is Real Housewives of New Orleans?

735
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,559
Where is Real Housewives of Austin? Where is? It just

736
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:13,559
made me open my brain to potential new franchises, which

737
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:19,280
should also make established franchises a little bit worried. Because

738
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,159
if you have Real Housewives of Rhode Island coming on

739
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:26,159
and just like blowing it out of the water and

740
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,920
everybody loving it, and you know it didn't cost barely

741
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:31,039
anything for them to make it, none of them are

742
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:34,440
making money in the beginning. Then you have, you know,

743
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,280
cast like Orange County, which has been around twenty years now,

744
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,679
or Beverly Hills, which cost a fortune, although that's more

745
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,159
of a lifestyle show, so that might be exempt from this.

746
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:46,760
But all these other shows that have been around for

747
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,840
a long time, like I don't know, like I it

748
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,320
might be time to start retiring shows. What do you

749
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,239
think about that?

750
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,519
Speaker 1: That makes me sad because you know, they did that

751
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:01,119
to our New York and we did like it. So

752
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,920
O C is a little different because I think we

753
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:09,840
generally the fandom doesn't feel as strongly about the OC

754
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,719
women as we did our og New York ladies. Yeah,

755
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:16,840
I think people just feel so strongly about that. You know,

756
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,679
the Luay and the Bethany of the Sonia and you

757
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,519
know Jill Zeron even God Bless and we feel so

758
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:26,599
strongly about that. I am excited about the E Show,

759
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,239
but and I'm also excited about the New New York

760
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:32,679
I think, and as a New Yorker you can speak

761
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:34,360
to this. I think they shouldn't have named it real

762
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,239
House as of New York.

763
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was their biggest mistake. It should have been

764
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,719
I mean, there's already in the city or the city

765
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,119
or whatever, but they should have they should have called

766
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:44,800
it something else.

767
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: That was a huge mistakes in Manhattan, just something.

768
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,199
Speaker 2: Something something, or not even housewives. It could have been

769
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,960
like I don't know, it could have been the I think, well,

770
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,159
they weren't all moms. I was going to say, maybe

771
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:00,280
they could have gone back to the original life idea

772
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,280
of Roney and called in Manhattan Moms or something like that.

773
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,920
I just think the mistake was calling it the same

774
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,559
thing and not sort of refreshing the entry. So it's like,

775
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,400
what is it real Housewives of New York season whatever.

776
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:17,480
But it's like going to be their third season, right.

777
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: I didn't like that at all because they haven't earned that.

778
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,920
You know, season sixteen, seventeen, they were Season one. They

779
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,719
were a season one cast, and that's what we should

780
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:26,039
have done.

781
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be really pissed off if I was

782
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,079
one of the ogs for them to be on season

783
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:34,280
thirteen or fourteen or whatever it is.

784
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean they're trying,

785
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,199
you know, they're kind of rebranding New Jersey, and I

786
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,719
haven't really heard any buzz either way. We know that

787
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,760
Milania was in the news for you know, punching her

788
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,880
stepfather allegedly or her stepbrother. Not sure she punched somebody

789
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,960
with the initials l R. And hope that'll play out,

790
00:42:58,079 --> 00:42:58,320
you know.

791
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I'm kind of concerned about New Jersey. I

792
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,440
feel like it's been a long time since filming, and

793
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,679
I just I don't know what that's gonna look like.

794
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,280
I am happy that Teresa Melissa seem to be on

795
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,039
a better page. Whether that's manufactured or not, I don't know.

796
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:23,159
Maybe it took Maybe it took Teresa. You know, a

797
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:27,000
couple of years pause and no paycheck to be like, eh,

798
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:28,920
I don't dislike you guys that much.

799
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not a giant. Teresa's Dan and

800
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,719
I hate that Louis, so I'll watch it just because

801
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,559
I don't want to hate watch that red face monster.

802
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,000
You know.

803
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:45,079
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Louis is definitely like a triggering individual. But

804
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:52,599
I do you know, watching jen h the New Gens show,

805
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,840
I Teresa, what I find interesting with her is as

806
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,639
wild and crazy as she seems to be, and she's arguably,

807
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,280
like maybe one of the most volatile housewives that we've had.

808
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,400
Gia seems so well adjusted like her kids. I know,

809
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:10,599
Milania is kind of having a little bit of issues,

810
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:14,880
but Milania arrived from the womb like that. Like Milania

811
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,800
was a wild child from the moment, like she was

812
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,800
on camera, like that's just her personality, Like that's just

813
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,559
how she was born. But all her other kids, and

814
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:28,719
Malania's too. Malanie is not a bad kid. But Teresa's

815
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,960
doing something right because she seems to have raised some

816
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:32,119
really great children.

817
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think if you look at it,

818
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,840
Gia has had to be a parent, you know. Yeah,

819
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,159
and then Malania came along as a third daughter into

820
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,960
this TV world and then God bless Gabrielle. We never

821
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,920
see her and she's probably the smartest one of all,

822
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:48,559
you know.

823
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, it's yeah. I'm not a huge teresastan,

824
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,920
but when you think about everything that she's put on TV,

825
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,559
it's kind of miraculous. Yeah, that's it's amazing what she

826
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,039
has gone through on TV.

827
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,639
Speaker 1: I could agree. Okay, Now tell everybody about what they

828
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,840
can do if they want to get your book, and

829
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,599
also let me this is this is for real. I

830
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,480
saw you post that somebody was reading your book on

831
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:19,519
the subway. Was that real or was that your friend?

832
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:21,639
Speaker 2: No comment?

833
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,599
Speaker 1: Because I saw that, I was like that that would

834
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:29,079
be really something to be in the wild and see

835
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:32,400
somebody reading your book. That would really be something.

836
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, a hot dude reading, hot dude reading.

837
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,119
Speaker 1: That's that's what more do you want on your Instagram

838
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,519
rather than hot dude reading?

839
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,679
Speaker 2: Yes, So you can find me on Instagram at Jason Zephyr.

840
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,639
You can find my book Jason Zephyr dot com. But

841
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,800
it's available everywhere online. You can also go to your

842
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,320
local bookstore and if it's not in stock, ask them

843
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,239
to put it in stock. I released it independently in

844
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,840
my own company after kind of severing ties with a

845
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:10,280
very big agency. This was after publishers sort of wanted

846
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,360
me to change the main character a little bit. They

847
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,880
wanted her they didn't find her to be likable enough.

848
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,760
But that's something that like female characters get a lot.

849
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,719
Uh the husband is cheating on the wife and like

850
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,840
has you know his mistress in a hotel suite, but

851
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,079
nothing about him, nothing about him, only about Yeah, he's fine,

852
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:32,239
but she's a little depressed in the beginning, and oh,

853
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,679
can't she be more likable or she needs to be

854
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,719
thinking about her child to her children at every step

855
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,400
of the moment. But so I decided to do it myself.

856
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,760
I started my own company called It's a Live Books.

857
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,639
I hired a cartoonist from the New Yorker to do

858
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,480
my cover, which is really a beautiful covers cover. It's beautiful.

859
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:53,039
His name is Dan Mistilla, so he designed the cover.

860
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:56,840
I hired editors, I did, I'm doing all the marketing,

861
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,440
and so I just kind of decided to do it myself.

862
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,760
Reviews have been really great. It's a great summer read. Yes,

863
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,599
I'm super entertaining. It's not the kind of book that's

864
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:08,719
going to sit on your nightstand and like stare at

865
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,519
you for six months. Like it's the kind of book

866
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:12,320
that you're going to read on vacation. You're going to

867
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,920
read it on the plane, You're going to read it

868
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,519
over a weekend. It's a lot of fun.

869
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:20,559
Speaker 1: I am taking the book to we have a beach ouse.

870
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:22,440
I'm going to take it there and leave it there

871
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,320
so that when people come, because it's I think it's

872
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,079
a great beach read. So when people come, because a

873
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:28,679
lot of times people will come to visit, they're like, oh,

874
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:30,159
I don't have anything to read, and I'm like, well,

875
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:32,119
I've got these choices, So I'm going to take it

876
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:35,239
because I think it's a great a beach read as well.

877
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,440
And I got to tell you, there is a little

878
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,239
bit of a horror to it, but it is it

879
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,000
is very tongue in cheek funny. I think.

880
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:46,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there is definitely horror to it, but it's

881
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,039
not necessarily for people for that only like horror.

882
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: Like it's because it's campy.

883
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: It's super funny. Even you know, it's zombies, so you know, spoiler,

884
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,199
there's some blood and guts and zombies eat people like

885
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,519
this is what they do. This is what they do,

886
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,920
but I try to write it with a sense of humor.

887
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,000
And you know, the response has been really good. The

888
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:12,199
editorial reviews have been great, the reader reviews have been great.

889
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:17,079
It's growing. I'm hoping that it pops off. I appreciate

890
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:19,760
you having me on your shows to tell people about it.

891
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:24,760
Oh yeah, so yeah, so you can. You can buy

892
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,199
it online everywhere. You can go to my website jasonzeffor

893
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,719
dot com follow me at Jason's effort, but also go

894
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,280
to your local bookstore and ask for it, and if

895
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,440
they don't have it in stock, that lets them know

896
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:38,920
we need to order this. Because they can order it.

897
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,800
It's available for every bookstore to order. I have a

898
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,599
couple of meetings actually at the end of the week

899
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,239
for a couple of big stores in New York City

900
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:48,840
and so yeah, so I'm excited.

901
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,199
Speaker 1: Well, you know, fun fact, I used to work at

902
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,280
a little local bookstore here in Alexandria, Virginia, and that

903
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,880
was like, there's a few favorite things about working there

904
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,679
because I worked my regular job and I worked that

905
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,559
part time and I was in my twenties, and my

906
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:05,679
favorite thing was on Sundays. The people that got the

907
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:07,599
New York Times would come in and get their New

908
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:10,760
York Times and read it in the store. They would sit, yeah,

909
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,760
and read it, because you couldn't really get New York

910
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,320
Times delivered to your house at that way back in

911
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,400
the olden days. And what I really love too is

912
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,480
people coming in and asking for books, and if we

913
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:22,239
didn't have them, you know, we'd have to go into

914
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,039
our system and order them for people. And then we

915
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:28,639
would always order three, right this person wants someone, now,

916
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:30,480
we'll have two on the shelf. And it was always

917
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:32,519
great because it was a way to find out about

918
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:34,960
books I didn't know about because someone had heard of

919
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,199
it some way and they wanted they wanted to get

920
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,400
it from the local bookstore. So I think that's a

921
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,760
that's a hot tip to go buy your local bookstore

922
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,719
and ask people to order it.

923
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And for the bookstores because I'm in contact

924
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,960
with like three large bookstores if they're listening to this,

925
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,239
carry my book because I'm doing interviews and I can

926
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,159
point people in to where they can buy the book

927
00:49:57,159 --> 00:50:00,440
in New York City. So yeah, yeah, so buy the book,

928
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,119
stop the book, do the book.

929
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,519
Speaker 1: And try to buy local if you can. I'm very

930
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:07,880
I'm very into local booksellers. Okay, thank you Jason very much,

931
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,800
and everybody go buy the book and I'll have his

932
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,719
Instagram link here in the show notes so you can

933
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,679
click it. It's very it's a good follow as well.

934
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much, Mary Payne. Okay,