Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It is Thursday, so
we're going to talk about pop culture and Bravo. And
I've got an expert today. His name is Jason Zephyr.
I'm I saying that right. You're saying that right, Okay,
Jason Zephyr, and he is a pop culture expert and
a Bravo expert.
Speaker 2: I would say, yes, definitely. I love Bravo. Real Housewives
of New York City is not only one of my
favorite Bravo shows, are my favorite housewife entry into the franchise,
but it's one of my favorite all time shows. It's
a comfort watch if I'm ever homesick, I am putting
on like season six of Real Housewives of New York.
Speaker 1: Do you live in New York?
Speaker 2: I do live in New York. I've been here for
like twenty years.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay. Now you are also a writer.
Speaker 2: I am a writer.
Speaker 1: Yes, You've written a really good book called Zombies of
the Upper east Side. Okay, tell me about this book
because it's like a campy It's like a take on
these like Upper east Side like fancy ladies, but then
there's like a zombie apocalypse.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's it's a horror comedy. It's definitely campy
in all the best ways. I really lean into that. Yeah,
it's a it's about an Upper east Side lady. Her
name is Charmaine Starling. She's kind of a typical kind
of society lady. She married into a lot of money,
but she's going through divorce. Her husband cheated on her.
He's like he has separated. He's holed up in a
suite of rooms at the Carl Hotel with his mistress.
With his mistress, and so they're going through a divorce.
You know, she didn't have any money in the beginning,
so it was all him and his family land. So
now they're trying to make sure that she doesn't leave
the marriage with anything. So she also has like that
stink on her of she's gonna be broke. So yes,
So all the Upper east Side lady, she's a little
bit of a priya. Now, Now, if that wasn't bad enough,
if she wasn't already just stressed out about not, you know,
leaving her marriage with nothing and maybe going back to Yonkers,
which is where she was originally from, God forbid, If
that wasn't bad enough, the Upper East side is painted
as a place where all kinds of weird stuff can happen,
because it is a little bit of a weird place.
I think it has the highest propensity or or population
of billionaires per capitist square mile than anywhere else in
the world, so it's a very Yeah, so it's a
very There's also like Park Avenue is like Billionaires Row,
so it's like the highest number of billionaires to exist
anywhere in the world and like such a small place. Yeah.
So if all that wasn't bad enough, there's some weird
things going on in the background. In the first half
of the book, people are getting sick, there's like a
another sort of illness going on, bodies are missing from
the morgue, and then like in the middle of it,
she wakes up and it's a full on zombie apocalypse.
So it's kind of funny watching these kinds of ladies
kind of like fight against you know, the zombies, and
they're a little bit scrappier than you would think.
Speaker 1: Well, isn't that always the case with our housewives?
Speaker 2: Right? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a character in the book whose name
is oddly enough, Margot Pain, not to be confused with
Mary Pain. But as I read the book, I was like, no,
wait a minute, I don't want my name to be
so closely associated with this guta rat lady. Ah.
Speaker 2: Well, the interesting thing about that character in particular, like
she is her. So her name is Margot Pain. She
was married to a doctor, she divorced. She's sort of
of like a warning to what could happen to Charmaine.
Now what's interesting about that character they called they call
her the Upper Upper east Side spit Her, And that's
based on a real person. There was a real person
on the Upper east Side who was with her shopping carts.
She was unhoused individual, and they ended up finding and
she would like spit on children or you know, sort
of like young upstarts. She was not a happy lady. Wow.
And then they ended up finding out that she, you know,
she was divorced and she had had a lot of
money at one point. So I sort of, you know,
it's a minor character in the story. But I when
I was writing the book, I read and I watched
everything to do with the Upper east Side. So I
tried to absorb as much as I could. And I
had heard that story and I just wanted to incorporate
it in some way into the book.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, it unfortunately is very close to my name,
but that's okay. You didn't know me at the time.
Speaker 2: So and I love I love the name Pain too,
you know, because it can mean so many things, and
it can be taken literally not literally, like I I
really like it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a family name and in my family obviously
that's why I've got it. But you know, there's there's
Payne Stewart, There's uh it was a famous golfer. There's
Payne Lindsay who's a famous podcaster. And I have a
nephew that said his next child he wants to send
the child Pain as a boy. And I was like,
I'm here to tell you it's going.
Speaker 2: To be rough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rough, it'll be rough to have that name, but
go go for it, go for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay. Now you have got a very popular Instagram. I'm
always obsessed with people who get like a huge following
on Instagram because I'm out here, like hour myself out
for every follower.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm proud. I feel like I'm in that
in that sort of box. Now because a lot of
things have changed over the last few months, when they
had that big purge, I lost I don't know a
crazy amount, but like a thousand followers, and my growth
sort of stopped, and it stopped right when I was
launching the book. So that wasn't That wasn't great, but
it's okay. I still have a lot of followers. I
got those because I do things like right now, I'm
doing one hundred days of Buffy because I love Buffy
Vampire Slayer and I was devastated when Hulu canceled the reboot. Yeah,
so I do things like that. I've had like Martha
Mondays where I do some sort of post about Martha
Stewart because I love her, funny Lady Friday because I
love funny women. They're probably the people that have inspired
me the most of anybody. Yeah, so things like that,
And oh also, I think it's and I just literally
saw this yesterday, so it's like fresh in my mind.
Every so often, somebody pops up and I'm like, wait,
they follow me. So yesterday it was Wendy McClendon Covey
follows me. I'm like, what when did that happen? I
love her, I love her so much.
Speaker 1: I love her. Yeah, that's cool. Now. Sonia Morgan commented
on your book does she follow you?
Speaker 2: She does not follow me. Oddly enough, not many of
the New York Housewives follow me. I think only Jules Wainstein,
who was on one season, but yeah, I really liked her.
She follows me, but none of the other og rony women,
which is a little disappointing because I love them so much.
I'm so excited for the Golden Life coming out. I
love them so much that they may have worked their
way into my book.
Speaker 1: You have to read it to find out.
Speaker 2: I guess yes, you will have to read it to
find out. But I find it very interesting that Sonia Morgan,
who doesn't follow me, commented on my book post when
I announced the book, saying congratulations. She also liked bunch
of other posts. But I find it very interesting because
there may be a character in my book whose name
is Sylvia, and she might live on the Upper east Side,
and she might live in a crumbling townhouse. She might
also be allegedly broke. She may have a daughter, and
she may be divorced from a very old man who
left her for her friends.
Speaker 1: Does she have a storage unit full of old birkins?
Speaker 2: She sold them already. Okay, she doesn't have a bag
to her name? Does she her basement? You don't want
to go in the.
Speaker 1: Basement, No Crisco, no basics. Oh so funny. Okay, Now,
Sony Morgan, Now let's talk about the I keep calling
it the Golden Years. Is it called the Golden Life?
Speaker 2: The Golden the Golden Life? Right?
Speaker 1: Okay? The New Roney spin off on each Yeah, yeah, okay,
the Golden Life, like the well yes, but first of all,
like when is it coming? Because now they're adding like
Margaret and some other people which I love in kandas
push and all like great, but yeah, I assume they're
coming in as like a friend of like, uh, they're
just like letting us know that they're coming in as
like side characters to visit. But what are we getting
this show?
Speaker 2: Okay? So, from what I've read and from what I understand,
filming went really well. So he wanted to add some
more episodes, and it was summer in the Hampton's and
Ramona and Luann are already there, so then they had
the opportunity to add Margaret Joseph's I guess she had
originally been in talks about being on the show, but
she was on some other show on Amazon that's coming out. Yeah,
so I guess she couldn't have been in it. Then
I think she actually makes sense. I wasn't like a
huge fan of her in New Jersey, but she has,
you know, established relationships with Ramona and with leu Anne,
and so I think and Durinda, and so I think
that makes sense. I'm totally okay with that. Candice Bush Now,
I love Sex and the City was also an inspiration
to the book because the early seasons are very centered
on the Upper east Side. I mean, they're Part two
of my book is called Scourge in the City, so
you know, there are definitely references to that as well.
So I'm excited to see her. So, from what I understand,
filming went really well, so they wanted to add some
more episodes during the summer, but I think we're getting
it in the fall. I think it's a really quick turnaround.
Maybe there will be a little bit of a break
so for editing, but I'm pretty sure we're getting this
in the fall.
Speaker 1: I would imagine they don't want to go up against
Ultimate Girls' Trip because that's a little bit of the
same audience, or you know, and maybe they want to
wait till the new Roney season comes out and give
it a minute and you know, piggyback off of that.
Speaker 2: Really Yeah, and I think I think it's a good
time for it to come out regardless. And I don't
think Ultimate Girls Trip. I think that comes out like
August tenth or something like that, And there probably won't
be a lot of episodes. If it goes by previous seasons,
it'll probably be what six episodes something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, I was going to say eight.
I can't remember, though. Those are quick seasons. And for
you know, everybody says that it'll be great, and I
think everybody else because we'll watch anything on Bravo. Really,
the problem is going to be sort of to get
that audience to flip the channel over to E.
Speaker 2: I think there is. I mean people, there's definitely buzz
about it. People are excited to see it. People wanted
the Ogs to come back to Bravo for whatever reason.
I did too. I freaking love that show. So I
don't I don't know, I don't know why Bravo didn't
do it. What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Well, my question for you is I'm sure you've seen
the new Rony trailer for the new season with you know,
we've got Si, We've got Jessel, we've got Carol Radziwell
that's it, right, Si and Jessel and Aaron, and then
we have some new people and Carol Radswell. I listen.
I've been fooled by a trailer before where I've been like,
this is gonna be the best thing, and then it sucks.
But I thought the trailer looked amazing.
Speaker 2: I think the trailer looked amazing too. I thought it
looked really good. I think I did not like the
last two seasons. I watched them, so it wasn't completely
you know, biased, but I I did watch them. The
last season was really kind of dark and a you know,
it's not I'm actually a little bit surprised that it
even survived, that's to tell you the truth. But yeah,
I think the trailer looks really good. I'm interested in
seeing what happens. It seems like they may have been
trying to be too much like the old Ronian or
and the two seasons that they had. It does seem
like maybe their brand off a little bit more, which
is sort of ironic because Carol Radziwell is joining, but
I'm interested in seeing her on the show. I always
liked her. We do see, we'll see, and then sighs
going crazy about the Jeffrey absteeing things, And yeah, I
don't think she. I don't think Carol expected that going
into the show.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't expect she. She thinks she'd be called
out on the street for that. And Si, of course,
just like they announced she's getting a divorce, you know,
right as they were filling. So we always love a
divorce during one of our Housewives seasons. It makes it spicy, yeah.
Speaker 2: For sure, because she's like angry and she's you know,
Carol's gonna get it. It looks like.
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their either filming or have wrapped, and I imagine we're
going to be because they usually launch that in the winter.
I feel like to go with the Salt Lakes theme. Yeah,
but we've got three divorces going on there. We've got
Bronwyn and Whitney and Justin are separated, and now we've
got the Angie k separation. The Angik just really like
that took me down. I was upsetting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, except when I watched the last season when they
did have scenes together with their child. Like, I think
you can see that there's a disconnect. I think it
probably became more of a friendship rather than like a
romantic relationship. Okay, interesting, that's kind of like I thought.
I I vividly sort of remember thinking that when I
would watch those scenes, I was like, oh, there's not
a lot of like there's no heat left.
Speaker 1: It seems I see what you're saying. That they seemed
more like because they are like business partners and the
radio child together, and I think, you know, when they
I think this happens a lot when you have a
new franchise starting that. I think the husbands are always
pretty stunned when focus turns on them, like like you know,
like wait, why why is anybody asking what I'm doing?
You know, because I definitely than Seth. It definitely happened
bron went and Todd, and of course Todd did not
like that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he was terrible.
Speaker 1: So Sean, I think, was very stunned to find that
people were now chatting about his sexuality and this, that
and the other. So that wasn't great for their marriage.
Speaker 2: Probably no, it probably yeah, yeah, for sure, definitely not good.
Speaker 1: Mary Cosby susband too, just it was like nope, I'm out.
I live in Florida. Now fuck this.
Speaker 2: There's like, no, there's only Lisa's husband, Lisa's husband and
Meredith's susband. They're the only They're the last one standing.
Speaker 1: What did you think about Lisa's post with her and
John Barlow and like matching jeans and white T shirts
with their Veta tequila in their hand, being like still
standing strong.
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of bitchy, but like in
the best possible way. Clearly she must not be on
good terms with Angie k right now, because that's rubbing
it in a little bit. But I wouldn't expect anything
less from her. But I still love her.
Speaker 1: I love her too. I thought it was not nice. No,
you definitely nice, sort of like haha, I'm still married
and you're not. I mean, I don't know, but I
was very sad about that. But it's going to be
a great season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I like Salt Lake. I think it's interesting.
I think they still have a lot of story left
in them. Oh yeah, I'm curious what this new season
is going to be like because it starts filming like
literally right after Mary's Son past. Yeah, it's that's.
Speaker 1: That's a lot. Yeah, it is going to be a
speaking of dark my god. Yeah, So we've got Salt Lake.
So are you watching oc? I mean, are you watching
it or you hate watching it? Are you like me?
I'm just like I'll watch anything they give me. So
I'm just watching it.
Speaker 2: I'm watching it. Oc is not a show that I've
watched from the very beginning. I don't even think I
found it until COVID when I was looking for other
things to watch. I tried to watch the early seasons
and I just couldn't because like the production value is
like terrible, and it's just it's so hard to watch.
But I did go back and I watched up until
when Shannon's first season. So there's a lot of like
criticism about Shannon, but I've always found Shannon to be
a really interesting character. Yeah, so I'm watching it. Is
it like the best show ever? No, I mean it's not,
but I mean I like it. It's I'm interested in it.
I'm glad that Vicky's back. I do find her to
be like just an interesting individualist, like a writer who
looks at things like character wise. I think she's an
interesting character. I don't know that she's somebody that I
would like in real life, but I like watching her.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because a lot of people have also been like,
we didn't need it. Why is Vicky back? I was like,
it's the twentieth season. They had to bring it back.
It was a great step and it works and she's delivering,
you know, and you know, lover hate Vicky and people
get mad at me when I say this. She is
the og of the OC and people will be like, no,
Gina was cast first. I don't care. Vicky's the one
that's been on the longest, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like nostalgics. I have her back on.
She's literally the og of all of them, like she
she started this, so yeah, I think it was only
fair to have her back on.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. Did you have did you have opinions on?
People had a lot of strong opinions about Gina Keo
doing a GoFundMe for her health care. I mean, in
my mind, I'm like, if she doesn't have the money
to pay for her healthcare, I don't think there's any
problem with it. That's where we are in this country.
But people are like, no, it's tone deaf because they
went on a vacation to Tahiti. And I'm like, well,
two things can be true, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it's complicated. We don't know the
details of you know, her finances. Would I personally start
to go find me, no, but you know, to each
their own. Apparently she can't work now, she's a real
stag agent. She can't talk like she had part of
her tongue removes. So this is I don't know what
I would actually do in a situation like that. Yeah, so,
I mean I don't falter in it at all. Like
I hope she has a you know, speedy recovery and
only good thoughts towards her.
Speaker 1: God bless, it's terrible. Okay, speaking of things that are
dark and God bless and terrible, I am obsessed with
The Valley. I love the Valley. I love everything about
The Valley. I am upset to hear rumors that it's
going to be canceled. At the very least, they've got
to keep it around for Jack's Day, his ex publicist,
and Michelle Danny doctor Dre. That's that's enough to give
us another season, right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so The Valley is definitely my hate watch. Okay,
it's but I actually watched a couple of like, rewatched
a couple episodes last night, and I was like, this
is good. Like I can't tell if I like it
or it just like activates me in some weird way.
I think, yes, there's lots of rumors about this being
the last season, and I think it'd be fine if
it was the last season, quite frankly, but if it's
not the last season, I think Jackson needs to come back.
I also think all of the men on that show
should want Jax back, because when he was on the show,
you didn't see how bad all of them were. Ninety
nine percent of those men are terrible individuals. The only
one that I can think of off the top of
my head, and we don't see him very much, but
he seems to be a decent guy and they have
a good relationship, is Janet's husband, Jason. All the other
ones are horrific, horrific individuals. Women should watch this show
and be like, I don't think I'm gonna get married,
Like they should all just go live in a commune
and raise their children themselves, because if you were to
look at these men as a sample of what's out there, no,
why would you ever? And Kristin. I feel so bad
for Kristin because she has this little child attached to her,
she's going through postpartum, and Luke is the worst of
all of them. I cannot watch that show and watch
him without it makes me crazy. I am screaming at
the TV like he makes me insane. And they wanted
that child very badly. They wanted that child, and now
that they have it, he's acting like a complete douchebag.
Speaker 1: You think Luke is worse than Danny.
Speaker 2: You know what, It's depends on the week, but they're
both horrible. They're both really really bad. Danny's really bad.
But my opinion of Nina actually or Nia lately has
changed when when I when I originally watched it, like
I thought that she was definitely a lot sweeter in
the beginning, but I'm getting like, like, I feel like
she's pulling the strings a little bit, and I think
she she's she's definitely covering for him in a lot
of ways.
Speaker 1: And absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2: She's covering for him in so many ways, and it
makes me worried about her, like what is actually going on?
Speaker 1: Yes, it makes me worried about her too, because you know,
she had a baby and then she had twins and
if that wasn't enough, they were like, let's just let's
just keep it going. I mean, and I understand a
lot of young people were like, well, if we're gonna
have kids. Let's just knock it all out, and they
get terrible for ten years and then you know, and
then we'll be on the other side of it. But
if you don't have a good relationship, I don't know
how you're going to get on the other side of it.
And if your husband is lying constantly about his drinking,
you know, let me tell you. You don't know this about me.
My husband is twelve years sober. So this Nia and
Danny thing is like super triggering for me because his
behavior is so familiar to me, and her behavior is
also familiar to me, the protecting and deflecting and look
over here, don't look over here, you know. But when
Lala called her a thug in a prairie dress, I
was like, now.
Speaker 2: I know, right, Laala, you kind of definitely needed her
to like pop in here and sort of like express
her opinion, because she does sort of say what no
one else is saying. Yes, So when you watch it,
you can see Nia doing that.
Speaker 1: She's absolutely protecting him and absolutely when he starts to
spire off, which I know that she just has to
feel sick going into any event knowing he's going to
be drinking. No what it's going to turn into, because
she knows once you get some drinks in him, I
can't control him. I can't get him to you know, one, two,
three eyes on me. She can't get him to focus
because now he's drunk, and now he's mad, and he
hates a la la stands for everything he hates, you know,
like single woman, okaying for sexuality. You know, he just
can't stand that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's terrible. Also, like I know that they are
on him a lot about it, about his drinking, and
I don't drink anymore. I wouldn't say that I was
an alcoholic, but like a year and a half ago
or so, I just realized it didn't work for me anymore.
Made me I felt a little depressed afterwards, no matter
how much I drink. And that might be where he
is too. Maybe he's not a raging alcoholic, but he
has an issue. There's an issue there. Also, he's doing
this on camera. What is he doing when he's not
on camera?
Speaker 1: That's exactly the way he speaks to her makes you
think if you're speaking to her knowing that you both
have microphones on, yes, how are you speaking to her
when you take the microphones off that Nanny has seen
some shit, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also think that she's got some fight in
her too, So I'd like to hear how she talks
when the cameras aren't rolling and when she's not maked up, too,
because I don't think she puts up with nearly as
much as people are thinking that she does, or if
she is putting up with it, there's a different side
of her that we have yet to see.
Speaker 1: I think that's right because we have seen it before
when last season they were on the phone and she
was like, let me tell you something. You go home
and do this and then you go you know, and
you're like, yeah, glimpses, yeah, glimpses.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's glimpses of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that maybe that's why he drinks. I don't know.
I'm just kidding. But it's interesting that you think Luke
is worse because a lot of people have such strong
feelings on Luke. And I did actually appreciate this week
when when they were in therapy and she said, I
she said, this will watch what happens. I've told him
when we're in therapy, say it, like, get it out
while we're in therapy. You don't talk to me like
that at home. But for him to say, you know,
I wanted you to have this baby, but then I
had never met pregnant Kristin. But then, but then he's
pushing to have another baby.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It doesn't make any sense to me. I
love that scene though, and the therapist in Kristin, I
thought they wanted I thought they were going to like
beat his ass. That therapist like looked at her like what, yeah.
Speaker 1: I love the therapists. Yeah whoa said it?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So she even had a huge reaction, so that. Yeah,
he's terrible. I feel bad for Kristen because she's like
in it. You know, she's got this small child attached
to her. But I'm curious, you know, where will she
be in five years? You know.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm excited for the reunion. I know they just
filmed it obviously, because they did some like looks of
the reunion. I'm excited to see sort of where we
are now because when you have just had that baby,
and I can imagine, especially for Nia has had like
back to back kids, and it's all filmed. And that's
why people don't like the show, because they think it's dark,
but in my mind, I'm like, it's really a real
representation of that time in your life. And you know,
while we have people that age on Summer House, you know,
we've got people in the valley sort of like in
it with like marriage and babies, and I don't know,
I find it. I find it fascinating and I'll be
very sad if they cancel it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like I said, I kind of hate watch it.
But then there are times when I'm watching it, I'm like, wait, no,
this is actually really good and there's some real stuff
happening here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, Now question for you, what what else
are you watching? So if you're not watching like Bravo
or sitting around waiting for the E show to happen,
what are you watching.
Speaker 2: I rewatch a lot of things. I watch a lot
of movies. I'm you know, I write horror and comedy
and those are the kind of things that I watch.
But I do love reality TV. I find it like
I'm able to watch it and I can kind of
like switch my brain off. I find that if I
It's the same way with reading, Like when I'm writing,
I don't read a lot of fiction. I can read memoirs,
like anything like a magazine or something on the subway
or whatever, because I like people's stories and I like
to absorb people's stories. But like fiction or something scripted,
I'm a little pickier about watching or reading. But there
are things in the horror world that I'm very excited
about coming up. Like there's a Crystal like series. There's
a Carry series happening.
Speaker 1: I saw about the Carrey series. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm super excited about that. The new season of
American Horror Story is following the Coven storyline, which was
my favorite season. Yeah, so I'm super excited about that.
I started watching Real Housewives of London and I think
it's going well. I was very upset about uh, Ladies
of London being canceled because I loved.
Speaker 1: It beyond I would listen to it. Listen. If they
said to me, we're going to cancel The Valley or
cancel Ladies of London, it would be a Sophie's choice
for me. But I would say, Okay, we're done with
the Valley, give me more Ladies of London.
Speaker 2: Yes, Because we were like, we're robbed, We're robbed of
what could have happened with that show. It was such
a great cast. It was so interesting. It made me
want to move to London. So Andy Cohen, they talked.
Andy Cohn was talking about that it was the ratings,
that that's reason why Ladies of London was canceled. Do
you believe that? Because it took him a while to
say that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I believe it or not believe it.
But every person I know, every Bravo podcast or every
you know, Bravo influencer, everybody was obsessed with it. You
didn't find me like like a lot of people were
kind of hot and cold on OC and you'd get
a lot of people hot and cold about lots of things.
But everybody loved the show.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was great, and it was great because of
the cast. I mean, there wasn't a lot of drama happening.
It just was like this sort of just a magical
cast that they put together. Do you think. So there
was rumors about Margo's husband potentially suing, although she went
on Jeff Lewis's radio show and said that that was
not the case and that if it was the case,
you'd be able to find a lawsuit. So obviously a
lawsuit wasn't filed, But do you think that potentially he
threatened to sue and then on top of that, they
had you know, late uh Real Housewives of London potentially
in the can to use on Peacock or Bravo as well.
So do you think maybe they're like, uh, we'll just
cut our losses. Like I don't. I'm very fascinated on
what happened, and I do remember like she's made a
comment about going off of social media, but she literally
went off social media like right before this came out,
as though she like knew something was coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the margo of it is interesting, and
it's also interesting that she went on Jeff's show like
after it was canceled, right like because people were doing
so much press before that she wasn't doing anything.
Speaker 2: Oh she did. She did appear. She appeared while the
show was airing. She did appear on Jeff's show also.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so she appeared twice. Yeah, yeah, I found that.
It's also weird to me too that they had the
cast we had, Mark, we had, Kimmy, we had we
had almost every cast member was either on Watch What
Happens Live like Bartender or like sitting with Andy and
doing tons of press and tons of podcasts and everything.
So they were paying for all this pr and then
they haled it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we're not getting the full story.
Definitely not I like the full story. I'd like to
know what happened. I also, I really loved Mark Francis
on that show. I know that there's been like a
lot of talk because you know, Bravo's audience is women
and gay men primarily, and there's been a lot of
talk on how to incorporate like maybe a gay character
into the Housewives. And while that wasn't The Housewives, I
think that they did it brilliantly. Like he totally fit in.
He's a very interesting character. I mean, he lives in
Oscar wild, it's flat. Yeah, he's just he's very interesting. Again,
I don't know that i'd like him in person, he
seems like a lot, but as some as a viewer
watching something and you know, a writer who's interested in characters,
I found him very fascinating.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. And then the whole thing with Hecate
dying and we didn't.
Speaker 2: Get oh I know, I know, because he drowned, right,
he drowned in the bathtub. He drowned in the bathtub
during the heat wave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she said he was always so careful around water,
and then he I was like, oh my god, it's
like a wild bird she found in her yard that
she made her pet. You just can't you just can't
make it up. You can't make it up. It's fascinating. Well,
I hope with all the uproar about it, I kind
of hope that maybe they'll sort of revisit bringing it
back and sort of give us a Miami situation where
they'll make us wait a little bit and then they'll
bring it back with the same people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think waiting would be a mistake. Though. That's
a problem. Like it was so magical right when it
was filming. They should have picked up cameras right away, unless, like,
do you think because it's in London that it's an
especially expensive show. I don't know, is that more expensive
than New York or Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. They just have their team there that
does it.
Speaker 2: You know, they're not paying them barely anything. You know,
it's first season, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sure lay Real Housewives of London. I know that I
had a listener write me and said that they had
already seen the first season because it's aired in England. Yeah,
and they were like, I gotta tell you, it's nowhere
near as good as Ladies of London. I don't know
what Bravo was thinking by picking this up instead of
Lady's of London. It's just doesn't compare. I watched the
first episode and it kind of lost me. Is so
maybe I need to try again.
Speaker 2: If you if you thought it was good, I think
it has promise. I think it's interesting. I don't think
it's as good as Ladies of London, but I think
you you can't really compare it to that. I did
see the trailer though, and Derinda pops up, which I
found very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yes, she doesn't want you to ever forget she lived
in London.
Speaker 2: No, never, and she's like, I forget them that character's name.
I don't have all the characters' names, but she is
friends with the one who seems to be the most reserved.
But in the trailer, she like loses her mind because
there's I think, like an American where there's like another
Juliette who's joining in like episode five or something like that,
and apparently like she comes in and really starts stirring
stuff up. So it will be interesting. It'll be interesting
to watch these women who are so poised and like
reserved and proper like lose their minds because they're going
to Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's why I like Ladies of London. Yeah, okay, did you?
I mean, I'm sure you did. What did you think
of Real housew as a Rhode Islander our newest franchise.
Speaker 2: I loved every minute of it, loved every minute of it.
I have questions. I'd like somebody to do, like a
really in depth interview, because I want to know. I
pieced some things together based on social media and what
cast members have said, but I want to know when
was this cast, what was that process, who brought who?
Because it's perfect, it's perfect how it happened. But I
have a feeling like it's been in the works for
a long time and from what I understand, it's like
a two year thing and like it's but it's perfect.
I don't know how especially like and I don't know
no offense to Rhode Island, but I had no idea
about the personalities there, and just just the fact that
they were able to piece together this brilliant cast, each
one there is no weak link. They're all great, and
just the fact that they were able to do that
makes me wonder, Okay, where is Real Housewives of New Orleans?
Where is Real Housewives of Austin? Where is? It just
made me open my brain to potential new franchises, which
should also make established franchises a little bit worried. Because
if you have Real Housewives of Rhode Island coming on
and just like blowing it out of the water and
everybody loving it, and you know it didn't cost barely
anything for them to make it, none of them are
making money in the beginning. Then you have, you know,
cast like Orange County, which has been around twenty years now,
or Beverly Hills, which cost a fortune, although that's more
of a lifestyle show, so that might be exempt from this.
But all these other shows that have been around for
a long time, like I don't know, like I it
might be time to start retiring shows. What do you
think about that?
Speaker 1: That makes me sad because you know, they did that
to our New York and we did like it. So
O C is a little different because I think we
generally the fandom doesn't feel as strongly about the OC
women as we did our og New York ladies. Yeah,
I think people just feel so strongly about that. You know,
the Luay and the Bethany of the Sonia and you
know Jill Zeron even God Bless and we feel so
strongly about that. I am excited about the E Show,
but and I'm also excited about the New New York
I think, and as a New Yorker you can speak
to this. I think they shouldn't have named it real
House as of New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was their biggest mistake. It should have been
I mean, there's already in the city or the city
or whatever, but they should have they should have called
it something else.
Speaker 1: That was a huge mistakes in Manhattan, just something.
Speaker 2: Something something, or not even housewives. It could have been
like I don't know, it could have been the I think, well,
they weren't all moms. I was going to say, maybe
they could have gone back to the original life idea
of Roney and called in Manhattan Moms or something like that.
I just think the mistake was calling it the same
thing and not sort of refreshing the entry. So it's like,
what is it real Housewives of New York season whatever.
But it's like going to be their third season, right.
Speaker 1: I didn't like that at all because they haven't earned that.
You know, season sixteen, seventeen, they were Season one. They
were a season one cast, and that's what we should
have done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be really pissed off if I was
one of the ogs for them to be on season
thirteen or fourteen or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean they're trying,
you know, they're kind of rebranding New Jersey, and I
haven't really heard any buzz either way. We know that
Milania was in the news for you know, punching her
stepfather allegedly or her stepbrother. Not sure she punched somebody
with the initials l R. And hope that'll play out,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I'm kind of concerned about New Jersey. I
feel like it's been a long time since filming, and
I just I don't know what that's gonna look like.
I am happy that Teresa Melissa seem to be on
a better page. Whether that's manufactured or not, I don't know.
Maybe it took Maybe it took Teresa. You know, a
couple of years pause and no paycheck to be like, eh,
I don't dislike you guys that much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not a giant. Teresa's Dan and
I hate that Louis, so I'll watch it just because
I don't want to hate watch that red face monster.
You know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Louis is definitely like a triggering individual. But
I do you know, watching jen h the New Gens show,
I Teresa, what I find interesting with her is as
wild and crazy as she seems to be, and she's arguably,
like maybe one of the most volatile housewives that we've had.
Gia seems so well adjusted like her kids. I know,
Milania is kind of having a little bit of issues,
but Milania arrived from the womb like that. Like Milania
was a wild child from the moment, like she was
on camera, like that's just her personality, Like that's just
how she was born. But all her other kids, and
Malania's too. Malanie is not a bad kid. But Teresa's
doing something right because she seems to have raised some
really great children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think if you look at it,
Gia has had to be a parent, you know. Yeah,
and then Malania came along as a third daughter into
this TV world and then God bless Gabrielle. We never
see her and she's probably the smartest one of all,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, it's yeah. I'm not a huge teresastan,
but when you think about everything that she's put on TV,
it's kind of miraculous. Yeah, that's it's amazing what she
has gone through on TV.
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And you know, the response has been really good. The
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It's growing. I'm hoping that it pops off. I appreciate
you having me on your shows to tell people about it.
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It's available for every bookstore to order. I have a
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a little local bookstore here in Alexandria, Virginia, and that
was like, there's a few favorite things about working there
because I worked my regular job and I worked that
part time and I was in my twenties, and my
favorite thing was on Sundays. The people that got the
New York Times would come in and get their New
York Times and read it in the store. They would sit, yeah,
and read it, because you couldn't really get New York
Times delivered to your house at that way back in
the olden days. And what I really love too is
people coming in and asking for books, and if we
didn't have them, you know, we'd have to go into
our system and order them for people. And then we
would always order three, right this person wants someone, now,
we'll have two on the shelf. And it was always
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it some way and they wanted they wanted to get
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that's a hot tip to go buy your local bookstore
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carry my book because I'm doing interviews and I can
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Speaker 1: And try to buy local if you can. I'm very
I'm very into local booksellers. Okay, thank you Jason very much,
and everybody go buy the book and I'll have his
Instagram link here in the show notes so you can
click it. It's very it's a good follow as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much, Mary Payne. Okay,