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Speaker 2: All right, let's get it started. Hour number two here
Speaker 2: on a Tuesday game day. Louisville and Virginia Tech tonight.
Speaker 2: I was thinking Kentucky play tonight, but they don't play
Speaker 2: until tomorrow, and I know they're taking on a Oklahoma
Speaker 2: team that has really kind of fallen apart in in
Speaker 2: SEC play, which is of course hurt Louisville because that's
Speaker 2: one of their losses. That's the loss that right now
Speaker 2: stands as a Quad two loss. But if Oklahoma can
Speaker 2: somehow finish in the top fifty of the net, then
Speaker 2: it becomes a Quad one loss, which that's not a
Speaker 2: big difference. But if your Quad one looks better, that's
Speaker 2: good for you. It's just you know, I think the
Speaker 2: committee will realize if Oklahoma finishes at fifty or forty nine,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's that should that's going to be
Speaker 2: taken into consideration as well. But anyways, Oklahoma, Yeah, they lost.
Speaker 2: I believe it was six in a row. In fact,
Speaker 2: they lost Gosh, they lost six of seven starting at
Speaker 2: the end of January and Their only wins in SEC
Speaker 2: play came against the bad teams Arkansas, South Carolina, Vandy.
Speaker 3: They actually lost to LSU.
Speaker 2: But they did just beat Mississippi State, which is their
Speaker 2: best win of the season. Really, I guess really their
Speaker 2: best win of SEC play they do have. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're went against Loislle. That's funny. I don't know why,
Speaker 2: but I'm just not used to looking at Louisville as
Speaker 2: a good win because it has I mean, you didn't
Speaker 2: have many wins the last few years, but if you
Speaker 2: go look at, you know, teams that beat Louisville, lois
Speaker 2: is a valuable win. I mean, Louisville is a quad
Speaker 2: one win for everybody who they who has beat them
Speaker 2: because they're top thirty overall. I mean, by the way, Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: I mean this. This This is an example of why
Speaker 2: people can claim the SEC is so loaded and have
Speaker 2: a great argument because they've been destroyed in SEC players.
Speaker 2: I mentioned. The only wins they have are against the
Speaker 2: bad teams, the non tournament team seemingly and then Mississippi State,
Speaker 2: who is you know, good team. But in non conference play, Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: other than beating Louisville, they beat Arizona, who's who's ended
Speaker 2: up having a pretty good season. They beat Michigan. You know,
Speaker 2: Michigan's a top twenty five caliber team, top twenty team
Speaker 2: depending on where you look. So their freshman guard is
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Fears. I mean, he had a great game against
Speaker 2: Louisville and he's a hell of a player. Up a
Speaker 2: phenomenal game against Mississippi State. But anyways, Oklahoma in Kentucky
Speaker 2: will play tomorrow night and it's in I mean, Kentucky
Speaker 2: has become not boring to talk about, I mean, not
Speaker 2: like excited to talk about them. But I just think
Speaker 2: they're they're a situation. I mean, they're kind of in
Speaker 2: a holover right like when fully healthy. Clearly they're a
Speaker 2: good team, and they've had some wins where they were
Speaker 2: able to kind of steal games without I mean I
Speaker 2: shouldn't even say steal it. I mean, they just beat
Speaker 2: Tennessee straight up in Knoxville and Lexington without a full team.
Speaker 2: It wasn't flukey by any means. And Tennessee's a really
Speaker 2: good team. So they've done it right, They've beat good
Speaker 2: teams win not fully healthy, but they also could lose
Speaker 2: to any of these teams and it wouldn't be a
Speaker 2: big shocker because again they're not at full strength. But
Speaker 2: according to Ken Palm, it's an eighty four eighty two
Speaker 2: win for Kentucky tomorrow night. And the latest update on
Speaker 2: Lamont Butler and Jackson Robinson, two guys that clearly important
Speaker 2: to Kentucky. I mean, I don't know if it's accurate
Speaker 2: to say that it's a vague update, because it is, like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's something, but Mark Pope talked. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it was yesterday or today, but I did
Speaker 2: see KSR had a write up on not only Mark
Speaker 2: Pope's comments on Jackson Robinson and Lamont Butler, but also
Speaker 2: some players that talked to the media mentioned it. But
Speaker 2: Poe said, this is yesterday. They were actually pretty functional
Speaker 2: and functional in the limited work that they did today.
Speaker 2: Certainly they're both on the uptick. Were hopeful about both
Speaker 2: of them. Now that's just a coach saying what he's
Speaker 2: supposed to say and really not I mean, again, being
Speaker 2: hopeful and I guess mentioning that they're pretty functional on
Speaker 2: the limited work. I guess that can be looked at
Speaker 2: as promising. But both guys have played got hurt, felt
Speaker 2: like they weren't going to come back for a long time,
Speaker 2: then came back, and then now they've both missed at
Speaker 2: least the last three games, it seems. But Otiga Oway
Speaker 2: and Colin Chandler also spoke with some optim about getting
Speaker 2: those guys back, saying that it's only a matter of
Speaker 2: time now. Lenardi still has Kentucky as a three seed,
Speaker 2: and I can't I'd like to be able to say
Speaker 2: that's inaccurate and they're gonna end up having a worse
Speaker 2: see it. I guess they will if they end up
Speaker 2: continuing continuing to lose games. But man, I just see
Speaker 2: that's another example of why the SEC. I mean, they've
Speaker 2: just been dominant this year in college basketball. And when
Speaker 2: you do that, you're gonna get rewarded on Selection Sunday,
Speaker 2: and you know what you do with it is always
Speaker 2: a real coin toss because sometimes the teams that have
Speaker 2: and again, people can spin it whatever where they want.
Speaker 2: Right if you're if you're loaded as far as getting
Speaker 2: a ton of teams in the tournament and they all
Speaker 2: fall short, some people will say, well, yeah, it was overrated,
Speaker 2: you weren't as good as you thought you were. You
Speaker 2: just beat up on each other. But you could also claim,
Speaker 2: you know that, well, it's because they went through a
Speaker 2: really tough stretch of conference play, night in and night out,
Speaker 2: playing great teams. And man, the SEC tournament, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's going to be a tournament that is, I mean,
Speaker 2: winning that thing is going to be a big, big
Speaker 2: deal because of how tough it's going to be to
Speaker 2: win it. And I'm sure that's what the SEC hanks
Speaker 2: will run with if they end up failing in the tournament.
Speaker 2: But if I'm being honest, I don't think they will.
Speaker 2: I happen to believe that this league is really, really good,
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm jealous.
Speaker 3: I talked about it last week.
Speaker 2: I had real jealousy watching these SEC games on a
Speaker 2: nightly basis, seemingly where you've got two really good teams playing,
Speaker 2: you know, some really really good college basketball. But right now,
Speaker 2: as soon as I mentioned that that Louisville is a
Speaker 2: quad one win for Kentucky, somebody mentioned that Louisville has
Speaker 2: got to be one of Kentucky's best wins. No. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: it's a quad one, but their quad one wins are
Speaker 2: let's see, you've got Duke, that's a quad one gonzag
Speaker 2: on a neutral as aquad one, Louisville's aquad one, Florida's
Speaker 2: a odd one, and then winning like on the road
Speaker 2: at Mississippi State that that might have actually fallen to
Speaker 2: Quad two or no, I'm sorry, it's on the road,
Speaker 2: so no, it's definitely quad one. So Louisville is a
Speaker 2: valuable non conference win for Kentucky, but they also have,
Speaker 2: you know, two better in the non conference portion, with
Speaker 2: Gonzaga and with with Duke.
Speaker 3: I have a real issue with Gonzaga.
Speaker 2: We just talked about Mark mark fewer earlier just because
Speaker 2: I feel like if you were ever gonna be able
Speaker 2: to get him to leave Gonzaga, now it's the time
Speaker 2: to do it. But like they, I don't know how
Speaker 2: they've been able to influence the numbers. Maybe it's because
Speaker 2: when they play the likes of Pacific and Pepperdine, they
Speaker 2: beat him so bad that it helps them jump up.
Speaker 2: Like Loyola Marymount Portland. I mean, these are teams they
Speaker 2: just demolished. But you know their their losses aren't really bad.
Speaker 2: Their one bad loss would be Santa Clara and Oregon State.
Speaker 2: But like they played a challenging schedule, but they didn't win,
Speaker 2: like they didn't win any of the games that were
Speaker 2: like really challenging games.
Speaker 3: I guess they beat Baylor, but like that actually.
Speaker 2: Baylor being borderline top thirty in the net and Baylor
Speaker 2: and Gonzaga beating them by nearly forty I guess that'll
Speaker 2: help you. But if you look at it, and I
Speaker 2: promise we'll move on from these from the quad one conversation,
Speaker 2: because I understand, you know, it's not interesting at all,
Speaker 2: But sometimes I just can't help myself. I'm a nerd
Speaker 2: for this kind of stuff. But when you look at
Speaker 2: the quad because one of the things that that somebody
Speaker 2: mentioned the other day might have been on the text line,
Speaker 2: might have been somebody I was talking to, I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but it's true. It doesn't prove anything, but it is
Speaker 2: a good point. You're you know, you benefit from just
Speaker 2: opportunities to play quad one because if you play a
Speaker 2: bunch of Quad one, even if you have a losing
Speaker 2: record in Quad one games.
Speaker 3: But you're competitive, you're gonna be juiced.
Speaker 2: In the numbers. That's just how that's a flawed formula,
Speaker 2: but that's what the formula is like For Kentucky, they've
Speaker 2: played how many they've played sixteen Quad one games, they're
Speaker 2: eight and eight. They're one and one in Quad two,
Speaker 2: so you know that's how they're They're on the three
Speaker 2: line and their net is at number twelve, and that's
Speaker 2: how you're a three seed. I mean that that's I
Speaker 2: mean they're three in Minardi of four in Jerry Palm.
Speaker 2: So look, sixteen opportunities to play Quad one games. In fact,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if a team has played more, I
Speaker 2: don't think they have. So they're five hundred, which I
Speaker 2: don't say that to like knock them. I mean again,
Speaker 2: they don't have a bad loss. Worst loss for them
Speaker 2: is Georgia and that'll end up being a Quad one.
Speaker 2: But you look at teams like Louisville. I mean, Louisvill's
Speaker 2: only had eight, so half the opportunities in Louisville also
Speaker 2: five hundred in Quad one. Louisville's played nine Quad two games.
Speaker 2: Kentucky has played two. So again, their league is so
Speaker 2: loaded that nearly every game is a Quad one opportunity,
Speaker 2: so you don't really have any real harm and losing,
Speaker 2: and when you win, it's big time. So the good
Speaker 2: louisll would have played sixteen quad one games. Would they
Speaker 2: be eight and eight or better? I have no clue.
Speaker 2: My gut tells me probably not. I guess it would
Speaker 2: depend on kind of when those games were played, because
Speaker 2: I do think Louisville is a much better team now
Speaker 2: than they were in November and even December. That's not
Speaker 2: to say they would beat the teams that beat them
Speaker 2: early on, because the teams they lost to early on
Speaker 2: were good and are good still for the most part.
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Speaker 2: the tribal chief alongside today. Were you spoiled as a kid, Oh,
Speaker 2: of course I was. Are you saying that to sound
Speaker 2: like an appreciative child or you really like spoiled?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: No, I was because I was. I was the youngest
Speaker 5: out until I was like eleven. I think how much
Speaker 5: older am I than my brother now? About ten or eleven?
Speaker 2: And then how much are you the baby?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 5: So I'm the oldest out of three from the family
Speaker 5: that I grew up with. Gosh, so I'm thirty, I'm
Speaker 5: thirty one. My brother is nomber brother is like twenty three,
Speaker 5: twenty four.
Speaker 2: So okay, so you you had you had a childhood
Speaker 2: alone with siblings to where Yeah, so that makes sense.
Speaker 2: The reason I ask is because it hit me on
Speaker 2: the drive end today because I was spending some time
Speaker 2: spoiling my kids today. Sure, and uh, they don't know it,
Speaker 2: and they'll know whenever they get home. And you know,
Speaker 2: my children are well behaved. I don't say that to
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I know everybody probably says that
Speaker 2: about their kids, but my my you know, my son
Speaker 2: is is you know, he's he's a he's a well
Speaker 2: behaved kid. He doesn't give us any trouble at all.
Speaker 2: And you know if he does though in times have
Speaker 2: you know, if he's fussy or you know, like he
Speaker 2: knows if he's even a tiny bit of like back
Speaker 2: talk to his mom, he's gonna hear me and he's
Speaker 2: not gonna like it, and he, you know, he's mindful
Speaker 2: of it. Like he's a good kid. My daughter, she
Speaker 2: specially needs child. She intellectually disabled and is autistic. So
Speaker 2: you know she's a The way I look at it
Speaker 2: is I get like the great age for a long
Speaker 2: time because her intellectual level as to where I'm still
Speaker 2: almost as far as like like I'm still talking to
Speaker 2: a toddler, and you know with that comes challenges and whatnot.
Speaker 2: But also you know, it's you know, I look at
Speaker 2: it as it's a you know, you guys are your
Speaker 2: kids are getting older. I'm still keeping the sweet you know,
Speaker 2: I'm still you know, I'm still daddy, and I'm still
Speaker 2: tucking her in at night, and you know it's it's
Speaker 2: it's a blessing. She's she's a blessing to us. But
Speaker 2: I did for the first time as a parent, think, Okay,
Speaker 2: I have no problem in getting them something they asked for,
Speaker 2: But do I need to be setting it up to
Speaker 2: where like in order to get what you ask for,
Speaker 2: that is, you know, a new gift or not really
Speaker 2: a gift, just something we're getting for you. I guess
Speaker 2: you'd call it a gift, but like, should there be
Speaker 2: a level of like real appreciation, because I think my
Speaker 2: kids appreciate it. But like as a kid, I I
Speaker 2: was spoiled, but I didn't know it, Like I didn't
Speaker 2: feel like I was going without. But I just got
Speaker 2: accustomed to like if I really really wanted something, my
Speaker 2: parents would do whatever they could to make it happen,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Now, I was punished and
Speaker 2: held accountable if I sure, you know, if I got
Speaker 2: in trouble, that kind of stuff. I had a comfortable
Speaker 2: I was always says I had a comfortable fear of
Speaker 2: my parents to where I knew that like not only
Speaker 2: that I did not want to disappoint him because are
Speaker 2: my parents, but like I didn't want to see them angry,
Speaker 2: and I knew that if I did, it would be
Speaker 2: like a bad thing, and that would be you know,
Speaker 2: I comfortable fear. It feels the best way to describe it.
Speaker 2: So my son is getting a PlayStation today. He's four,
Speaker 2: the newest one fiver.
Speaker 3: It's a four.
Speaker 2: I think we bought it from a friend who was
Speaker 2: getting rid of it, So, I mean, that's still still amazing.
Speaker 2: We go out and like, you know, break the bank.
Speaker 2: It wasn't some big expense, but you know we we
Speaker 2: paid for it. Sure, I bought two K and I
Speaker 2: got it all set up. I got his gaming chair
Speaker 2: set up, and I'm doing it just to do it sure,
Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna be so excited. He's gonna
Speaker 2: tell me thank you, he's gonna tell me he loves me,
Speaker 2: and like there's no harm in all that. But I
Speaker 2: guess what I worry about that I've never worried about
Speaker 2: before is what if he like doesn't like what if
Speaker 2: he says, Dad, I need a new Mercedes when I
Speaker 2: turned sixteen, Like you know, I'm assuming he'll have the
Speaker 2: he'll have the you know, he'll read the room and
Speaker 2: wherewithal Yeah, yeah, that we don't live that kind of lifestyle.
Speaker 2: And we've told him no before, but you know, like
Speaker 2: we're just doing it because we want. Like me and
Speaker 2: my wife have been texting all day about like how
Speaker 2: when they get home and Musco's in his room, he's
Speaker 2: going to see his new gaming chair and he's got
Speaker 2: a TV in there now, and he's got a PS
Speaker 2: four and he's got and he's got two k's had
Speaker 2: the TV in there before. Okay, it's one that we
Speaker 2: had that I actually had in my office that I
Speaker 2: just I don't use, so I put it in there
Speaker 2: and it's perfect size, it's smaller, so and then Maya
Speaker 2: she's real her sensory sensory issues. It's very similar to
Speaker 2: In fact, we didn't even get the news until recently
Speaker 2: that she was on the spectrum and she was autistic,
Speaker 2: which wasn't you know. We weren't like hoping to hear that,
Speaker 2: but we always thought there was a good chance, just
Speaker 2: because she has a lot of and by the way,
Speaker 2: autism is very rare in girls. I don't know if
Speaker 2: people realize that or not. I bet there's people listening
Speaker 2: right now that thought about it. You know what, when
Speaker 2: I think of autistic children or autistic people that I know,
Speaker 2: I bet you're thinking right now, most of them are
Speaker 2: not girls. So it's different in girls, and it's harder
Speaker 2: to diagnose. But we did get the diagnosis recently, and
Speaker 2: that sort of explains her. She's just really fixated on
Speaker 2: certain things. Like she has kids in her class that
Speaker 2: are in a wheelchair or a they've got, like maybe
Speaker 2: a a special need stroller, and she in class, you know,
Speaker 2: she helps with those kids. Those are her best friends.
Speaker 2: She gets to push them around at time in class
Speaker 2: and she loves it. So she gets I mean, we
Speaker 2: have one at home that she just pushes around and
Speaker 2: she's obsessed with it. She's got baby dolls she's obsessed with,
Speaker 2: so when she gets on something, she's just really into it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, exactly. So we were at a friend's house
Speaker 2: the other night and her her friend, who is the
Speaker 2: same age our friend's daughter, Addie, she had she's she's
Speaker 2: into gymnastics and she's got one of those little toy
Speaker 2: balance beams. Yeah, and Maya was all about it and
Speaker 2: she was walking on it and you know just I mean,
Speaker 2: you'd have thought she just completed uh, you know, at
Speaker 2: the she just competed at the Olympics in gymnastic. She
Speaker 2: was loving it. So we were like, okay, well we
Speaker 2: got to get her one of these because she loves it.
Speaker 2: So because we told her, And and that's one of
Speaker 2: the things with like the the processing of things changing,
Speaker 2: or the fear of like I need to see that
Speaker 2: or I need to have it. Like that's that's the
Speaker 2: balancing act we have as parents. So you know, we
Speaker 2: told her that we would order it and she would
Speaker 2: get it, but she doesn't know when it's coming, and
Speaker 2: you know, until she gets it, she just wants to
Speaker 2: look on her tablet or on her mom's phone a
Speaker 2: picture of it. And that's just kind of what she's
Speaker 2: really you know, she just she's she's in her comfort,
Speaker 2: she's in her comfory space. If she's just at least
Speaker 2: looking at her her new fixation. Sure, so when she
Speaker 2: gets home today, she's going to walk in her room
Speaker 2: and she's going to see her new balance beam and
Speaker 2: she's gonna be real excited. So that's pretty cool. We've
Speaker 2: been texting, like we thought about like making them wait
Speaker 2: for like, you know, an easter present or but we can't.
Speaker 3: We want to spoil them, And I don't think.
Speaker 2: There's anything wrong with that, but you got to you
Speaker 2: gotta know your limits.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know you're rewarding good behavior. You just said
Speaker 5: that you don't really have to yell at them. They're
Speaker 5: good in school and they're just positive, and that something
Speaker 5: that you don't have to worry about when it comes
Speaker 5: back when they turn eighteen, that they're going to be
Speaker 5: so spoiled that they expect, Well, I'm pretty sure you
Speaker 5: guys do hell of a job as parents. You're gonna
Speaker 5: relate you good behavior and that that just teaches them,
Speaker 5: like it's just gradually life lessons that they're going to learn,
Speaker 5: and they're just going to learn how to be you know,
Speaker 5: good people and not necessarily like get rewarded.
Speaker 2: Every time they do. Some good things happen if you
Speaker 2: put good energy out the exactly. So you know, one
Speaker 2: thing that helped us is that like he doesn't think
Speaker 2: he's like the PlayStation is certainly as going to be
Speaker 2: awesome to him, But he has a lot like a
Speaker 2: lot of my friends, most of my friends who have
Speaker 2: kids and that have sons, they're older than Moose, probably
Speaker 2: by you know, three four years, so they have systems
Speaker 2: rather be Xbox or PlayStation. And he didn't have one.
Speaker 2: So you know, we've just told him it's because you're young.
Speaker 2: So but ye know, so he'll he's not going to
Speaker 2: feel like he can get anything he wants. He's going
Speaker 2: to think, well, I have one now, and all my
Speaker 2: all my friends have one, so I think we'll be okay.
Speaker 2: But it's just one of those sure where I would
Speaker 2: start to worry is if he just knows that, if
Speaker 2: he if he's at it long enough and he's you know,
Speaker 2: really throwing out the charisma, he's really he's really over
Speaker 2: with us, then he can get whatever he wants. But
Speaker 2: he look, he's been dolt. As I say this, I'm
Speaker 2: now realizing, like he's asked for certain things and we've
Speaker 2: told him no, and he's done the pouty face. But
Speaker 2: then you know, he gets over it.
Speaker 5: So I'll tell you what, especially when you like you
Speaker 5: said you got him like two K and sports games
Speaker 5: and stuff like that, Like you get him that, then
Speaker 5: he's going to I remember you said he's in the
Speaker 5: the question asking mode anyways, just in generally about.
Speaker 3: Like every second there's a new question.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well it's going to be expanded now to like NBA players,
Speaker 5: and it's going to be like because they give you history,
Speaker 5: because they have like commentators on there talking, and he's
Speaker 5: going to be able to play as some of these
Speaker 5: big stars and probably if he knows Donovan Mitchell, like,
Speaker 5: he'll probably like want to play with using his team
Speaker 5: on there and stuff. But that's just going to expand
Speaker 5: his knowledge and expand probably your guys's conversations as you
Speaker 5: go about. So be prepared to answer a lot of
Speaker 5: NBA questions.
Speaker 2: Did you ever get mad playing video games?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Okay, absolutely, I've been playing Crash Bandicoot recently.
Speaker 2: Oh that's wait a second, that's like I'm not a gamer. Yes,
Speaker 2: but I'm a Crash Bandicoot guy.
Speaker 5: It's it's I forgot how tough that game was because
Speaker 5: they have like a version that they lea unleashed on
Speaker 5: the newer versions of PS on the PlayStation, and it's
Speaker 5: like updated graphics and stuff like that same storyline, but
Speaker 5: like it did. It's it brought back to when I
Speaker 5: used to play it. I spent an unhealthy amount of
Speaker 5: hours on probably Crash Bandicoot and Grand Theft Auto and
Speaker 5: I've broken several controllers.
Speaker 2: See, I I never really got the gaming bug as
Speaker 2: a kid. I had a PlayStation two and that was
Speaker 2: my last system that I had, and I played Madden
Speaker 2: not a whole lot though, really liked the college football game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I liked NBA Live, but like I wasn't a
Speaker 2: gamer like I, I got out of it and no
Speaker 2: longer played by the time people were getting online to
Speaker 2: play each other. So like I missed out on all
Speaker 2: the Halo Call of Duty lobbies.
Speaker 3: You ever heard of Gears of War of course?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I remember a couple of my buddies would play
Speaker 2: Assassin's Creed. You know that one was good.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I missed out on all that and I shouldn't they
Speaker 2: missed out on I just wasn't interested in it. But
Speaker 2: the two games I played that were not sports related
Speaker 2: crash Banded Cup Yes, tomb Raider Guy uh and when
Speaker 2: my dad got me my first PlayStation, the first one,
Speaker 2: the game it came with was a NASCAR game, So
Speaker 2: I played that, didn't love it, but it was all
Speaker 2: I had until I was able to get a different game.
Speaker 2: It's very challenging game. So the reason I ask if
Speaker 2: you get mad is because that's that's what his mama
Speaker 2: is going to be worried about about it. He'll play
Speaker 2: games on like my iPad or his tablet and grun
Speaker 2: his teeth and you know, hitting hitting things really hard,
Speaker 2: and you know it's not like he's raging. But like
Speaker 2: maybe we get there and you know his mom will
Speaker 2: be upset. But I'll have to tell or like it's
Speaker 2: pretty normal, because again I haven't experienced it, but I
Speaker 2: know a lot of people have not only broken controllers,
Speaker 2: but like televisions. You know, it's it's uh, yes, I
Speaker 2: very much have part of it, man, part of it.
Speaker 2: All right, quick break, we'll come back, keep this thing
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Speaker 2: This Tex says Nick, I've been watching Jalen Wethers. Really, Sean,
Speaker 2: I think you mean to say Sean typo Seine for Carolina,
Speaker 2: and it made me think of you. You were always
Speaker 2: his biggest fan. I mean I wasn't I like Jalen.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it was his biggest fan. But if
Speaker 2: I think I know what you're thinking of. So Jalen Withers,
Speaker 2: which by the way, he is playing good basketball for Carolina,
Speaker 2: kid from Charlotte obviously grew up a Carolina fan. Good
Speaker 2: for him. You know. I the guys who played for
Speaker 2: mac here that never got a chance to, you know,
Speaker 2: experience the postseason because of the pandemic. Like I feel
Speaker 2: for those guys and a lot of them that weren't
Speaker 2: exhausting their eligibility, they moved on and whatnot. And Jalen
Speaker 2: still being in college is crazy. But he's a fifth
Speaker 2: year guy at Carolina and its numbers aren't great, but
Speaker 2: he has been inserted back into the starting lineup for them.
Speaker 2: And he didn't have a great game last night against
Speaker 2: against Florida State, but as Carolina has started to play
Speaker 2: better and you know, win he has, he's he's up
Speaker 2: this production at nineteen against Syracuse, sixteen against Virginia.
Speaker 3: Eleven last night, So good for him.
Speaker 2: I felt like I was I felt as if I
Speaker 2: was not doing this in any way as a homer.
Speaker 2: I felt like I was doing something that seemed real,
Speaker 2: maybe obvious. So Jalen to this day, his best season
Speaker 2: as a college player was his first in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: He was a red shirt freshman. He was on the
Speaker 2: All ac Freshman team and he averaged ten points in
Speaker 2: seven point seven rebounds and was good, really good. I
Speaker 2: mean he had games that season where I mean I'm
Speaker 2: trying to I mean again, so long ago, but I
Speaker 2: mean some of the better players. In fact, I remember
Speaker 2: one game specifically, they played Virginia Tech, who at the
Speaker 2: time was one of the better teams in the ACC
Speaker 2: that year, played him at home, and they had a
Speaker 2: really good big that I believe transferred to Virginia Tech
Speaker 2: with Mike Young whenever he took the job there and left.
Speaker 2: I think it's Watford and Jalen had a monster game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they played number nineteen Virginia Tech, which by the way,
Speaker 2: this was probably their last win against a ranked team
Speaker 2: since or until they beat was it Clemson that was
Speaker 2: ranked when they got him this year? Barely? I think Clemson. Yeah, So,
Speaker 2: I mean it's a long time ago, but it's not
Speaker 2: really surprising given you know, circumstances. But anyways, Jalen had
Speaker 2: twenty points in twenty nine minutes. Jalen had sixteen points
Speaker 2: and twelve rebounds and was four or four from the line,
Speaker 2: six of twelve from the field, and you know, that's
Speaker 2: probably the best of his career. But in that year
Speaker 2: he was good and he did it against I mean,
Speaker 2: they played Duke and actually beat Duke in three overtimes.
Speaker 2: Towards the end of the season and he had sixteen
Speaker 2: and nine and again that same Duke team if you remember,
Speaker 2: I mean Duke's always loaded.
Speaker 3: Who was the really good player for Duke that year?
Speaker 2: It was a guy who was well, he was good
Speaker 2: in college and it was a phenom high school guy,
Speaker 2: but he never ended up breaking through in the NBA.
Speaker 2: Might have been Wendell Moore junior maybe or remember, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's such a forgettable Duke team if I'm being honest,
Speaker 2: But anyways, I think the next season, in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: I on my preseason ACC media ballot, I voted Jalen
Speaker 2: first team All ACC. Again, he who was coming off
Speaker 2: of a good season with MAC as a red shirt freshman,
Speaker 2: averaged you know, double figures, had some big games. Like
Speaker 2: I felt like it was rather obvious that he would
Speaker 2: be a guy that would step up from his red
Speaker 2: shirt freshman season and be a All ACC caliber player.
Speaker 2: And again, he has not been as good at any
Speaker 2: point anywhere Louisville or North Carolina since that happened. So
Speaker 2: you know, I wouldn't say I was as big as fan,
Speaker 2: but I did. You know, I'm probably one of the
Speaker 2: only people that put him there, and clearly, you know,
Speaker 2: that didn't come true. That's not really what ended up happening,
Speaker 2: all right. So back to tonight's game Louisville. Currently, no
Speaker 2: update that I've seen yet on the spread. Nine and
Speaker 2: a half is still what we're looking at. Wow, according
Speaker 2: to DraftKings here, let me refresh. Sometimes it does the
Speaker 2: refresh live and then sometimes you have to actually hit
Speaker 2: the refresh button to see if there's if they're giving
Speaker 2: you an any updates. But yeah, as of right now,
Speaker 2: we're still looking at a nine and a half point
Speaker 2: spread for the Cards and I would pick him to cover,
Speaker 2: but I'm probably not going to bet on this, but
Speaker 2: I don't know. Man. I bet on him to cover
Speaker 2: against Florida State and they fell just short and that
Speaker 2: really irritated me, but more so me in the wager
Speaker 2: than it was about being mad at the team. But like,
Speaker 2: if they win by if they win by eight nine
Speaker 2: and they don't cover, not gonna be a big shocker
Speaker 2: at that point. I guess it'll kind of depend on
Speaker 2: how it looks. But if they win by like twenty five,
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna be shocked because they've done that many times,
Speaker 2: especially on the road. Now again, they could lose time
Speaker 2: if they don't come ready to play. I think we
Speaker 2: all know that. But again, this team has proven to
Speaker 2: be deserving of the benefit of the doubt that if
Speaker 2: they come out flat, not ready to play, looking like,
Speaker 2: you know, lazy and lethargic, that would be a real
Speaker 2: It'd be the first time, honestly. I mean even in
Speaker 2: the game they lost in January to Georgia Tech. I
Speaker 2: don't think that was because they know showed. I just
Speaker 2: think they didn't play one of their better games, miss
Speaker 2: free throws down the stretch, didn't execute great towards the end,
Speaker 2: and they got a really hot Georgia Tech team that
Speaker 2: parlayed that into a win against Clemson at their place
Speaker 2: the next game.
Speaker 3: So Louisville should be should.
Speaker 2: Be okay tonight. But Ben Burnham, he was a guy
Speaker 2: who played for Pat Kelsey at Charleston who has transferred,
Speaker 2: and I remember he was a decent name in the portal.
Speaker 2: I don't mean not like a big time guy, but
Speaker 2: he was somebody that when I was looking at the
Speaker 2: Charleston roster, and it didn't take long for folks close
Speaker 2: to Pat or I think it might have been Goodman
Speaker 2: who had it, but he knew that the two for
Speaker 2: sure that we're going to be coming with Pat to.
Speaker 3: Louisville would be would be the two that are that.
Speaker 2: Are playing now, Ray Smith and James Scott, who by
Speaker 2: the way, have been very very have been a big
Speaker 2: factor in the success that that Louisville has had. So
Speaker 2: Burnham is a guy who right now, not playing all
Speaker 2: doesn't doesn't start. In fact, let me see what his
Speaker 2: numbers are. He is. Why does it keep showing me
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't want to look at Virginia. I
Speaker 2: want to look at Virginia Tech. Okay, are we we
Speaker 2: may have? Okay, here we go. Burnham is playing twenty
Speaker 2: minutes a game, averaging seven points and shooting, let's see,
Speaker 2: good shooter forty four point six percent from three. So
Speaker 2: but it's you know, that's just that's not something I
Speaker 2: really even thought about as Pat Kelsey going up against
Speaker 2: a team that had players that he coached at Charleston,
Speaker 2: which again, this didn't get talked about a whole lot,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't something.
Speaker 3: Needed to be discussed.
Speaker 2: But by the time he got here to have to
Speaker 2: build a team from scratch, that was the first time
Speaker 2: for him, of course starting all over, but at Charleston
Speaker 2: when they were winning their league and winning nearly thirty
Speaker 2: games every year the last few years he was there,
Speaker 2: You're gonna get plucked in the portal, so he had
Speaker 2: to kind of adapt. So he was already kind of
Speaker 2: doing that more than most coaches, because if you had
Speaker 2: a really good job and you're having success, you'll still
Speaker 2: lose players to the portal, but it's probably guys that
Speaker 2: you expect to leave because they're not playing a lot.
Speaker 2: He was losing his best players and having to kind
Speaker 2: of retool. But yeah, this this this Virginia Tech team
Speaker 2: not very good and they're twelve and fifteen overall. They
Speaker 2: don't have any wins really we're speaking of. And I
Speaker 2: watched them play earlier this year just because it was
Speaker 2: a random game that I decided to bet on, uh
Speaker 2: and I had it right. I didn't end up winning my.
Speaker 3: Parlay, but this was a leg that I got right.
Speaker 2: And the only reason I remember it is just because
Speaker 2: it's not something you typically see and I, you know,
Speaker 2: I took a risk not thinking it would work out,
Speaker 2: and sure enough it did. I didn't win any money,
Speaker 2: so again I was a loser still. But Jacksonville they
Speaker 2: are currently one seventy six. Let's see, Actually, maybe they're not.
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about like jack you know, Jacksonville University.
Speaker 2: They're seventeen to twelve, one seventy six and the Ken Palm,
Speaker 2: so they're not bad for you know, a team of
Speaker 2: that caliber. They're eleven and six in their league and
Speaker 2: the Atlantic Sun. Maybe they went it and make the tournament,
Speaker 2: but they were I think thirteen point underdogs are roughly
Speaker 2: to Virginia Tech. And I watched that game because I
Speaker 2: bet Jacksonville money line. They beat them by double digits
Speaker 2: in Blacksburg, and that's when I knew that jackson That's
Speaker 2: when I knew Virginia Tech was really bad and they've
Speaker 2: continue to be really bad all year. So again, I
Speaker 2: think it's a big game because you got a lot
Speaker 2: to lose if you somehow lose. I don't think they're
Speaker 2: going to and I maybe am reaching a little bit
Speaker 2: and calling it a big game for this reason, But
Speaker 2: I just love watching this team play, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be excited at nine o'clock. The only complaint I'm going
Speaker 2: to have is that you know, they're likely going to
Speaker 2: keep me from going to bed at a decent time.
Speaker 2: Because I'm it's gonna be hard to even like they
Speaker 2: played SMU at nine o'clock in Dallas earlier this year,
Speaker 2: and I remember, I mean, the game was out of reach,
Speaker 2: but man, I was on the edge of my seat.
Speaker 2: How many records are gonna be broken? His rain gonna
Speaker 2: break Taekwan's record? Is Chucky gonna break Cisco's record? And
Speaker 2: both things happened, and it was just another reminder that
Speaker 2: this thing is crazy as far as how good this
Speaker 2: team is, especially considering how bad we used to be
Speaker 2: that it was tough to fall asleep. So that'll probably
Speaker 2: happen to night, one way or the other. But a
Speaker 2: win the night for louisvill would set a new program
Speaker 2: record for the largest turnaround from one season to the next.
Speaker 2: They've currently won thirteen more games than they did a
Speaker 2: year ago, and that that is the record. And man,
Speaker 2: this is a random but notable stat fact. If you
Speaker 2: are a Louisville hoops nerd like me, there was always
Speaker 2: there was always like, there's certain streaks out there as
Speaker 2: far as winning streaks that you have, and this is
Speaker 2: random and it's not really one like you brag about.
Speaker 2: But we owned Virginia Tech for a long time because
Speaker 2: prior to Louisville getting blown out in Blacksburg at the
Speaker 2: end of the season in Mike Pageese's last year, that
Speaker 2: might have been the season finale, but they got killed
Speaker 2: in that game. But prior to that, and of course
Speaker 2: loulov didn't beat them in the last couple of years
Speaker 2: because you know, Kenny Payne was here. But Louisville had
Speaker 2: won seventeen consecutive games against Virginia Tech dating back to
Speaker 2: I believe the Metro Conference, the early years of the ACC,
Speaker 2: and then there were a couple of times where Virginia
Speaker 2: Tech was actually good and Louisville would win like we
Speaker 2: just had their number for no real reason. It just
Speaker 2: played out that way, Like Buzz Williams had some good
Speaker 2: teams there. I remember Mac went in to beat them
Speaker 2: in Blacksburg when they were a top fifteen team. That
Speaker 2: was a really valuable resume win, you know, back when
Speaker 2: you could get those in the ACC. And then even
Speaker 2: the game I talked about a moment ago with Jalen
Speaker 2: that was a good Virginia Tech team and Louisville was
Speaker 2: able to knock him off. So that seventeen games streak
Speaker 2: was what's great while it lasted. Hopefully they can start
Speaker 2: a new streak tonight, right quick break. We probably won't
Speaker 2: get to this in the next segment because we don't
Speaker 2: have enough time, but man, I'm just now. I just
Speaker 2: now actually during the last break, finished the Pat forty
Speaker 2: article about the widespread college basketball It's not just college basketball,
Speaker 2: but obviously John say Porter, the guy who I think
Speaker 2: right now in the early stages of sports wagering being
Speaker 2: legal in most states, like he's the biggest example of
Speaker 2: a guy that really ruined his life by being stupid.
Speaker 2: But that whole operation was connected to college basketball. And
Speaker 2: Pat forty had a really good article about just the
Speaker 2: behind the scenes of how that happened. And it's not
Speaker 2: really that surprising when you think about it. But again,
Speaker 2: a lot of people making really stupid decisions that ruined
Speaker 2: their lives for the chance to maybe hit a parlay
Speaker 2: with the fellas. Look, I love it, it's a uphoric feeling.
Speaker 2: But I'd like to think that if I was, you know,
Speaker 2: in a different position in life, you know, like maybe
Speaker 2: playing in the NBA, maybe being a high level college
Speaker 2: basketball player, I could sacrifice gambling with the boys or
Speaker 2: you know, fixing games I mean, you should never do that.
Speaker 2: But anyways, we'll get to that at some point the
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Speaker 2: I know we've talked about this before, but guys stigging
Speaker 2: around in college for a long long time, I mean,
Speaker 2: it makes sense if you could take advantage of it
Speaker 2: and get paid. I mean, you never know, by the way,
Speaker 2: everybody's situation is probably different. Nobody's the exact same, but
Speaker 2: depending upon what you want to do when basketball ends.
Speaker 3: For you or football ends for you.
Speaker 2: And I mentioned those two sports specifically because those are
Speaker 2: where you're making the most money. And an I unless
Speaker 2: you are a female athlete and you've got you know
Speaker 2: a type of situation with like you know, who's the
Speaker 2: girl for USC Paige Buker's at Yukon Juju Watkin. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then of course obviously Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reese
Speaker 2: that's a totally different situation. So anyways, you know, it
Speaker 2: makes I would do the same thing. I mean, because
Speaker 2: you could make money in college, maybe triple quadruple the
Speaker 2: amount of money to play one more year, then you
Speaker 2: would make in your first year at an entry level job,
Speaker 2: depending upon what you do. Again, everybody's different, everybody situation
Speaker 2: is different. But it makes sense. I mean, heck, you can.
Speaker 2: You can use that money to kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe spend some more time figuring out what it is
Speaker 2: you want to do. Maybe invest it to where you
Speaker 2: don't necessarily have to go get a nine to five
Speaker 2: or a corporate job or whatever. You can invest money
Speaker 2: from nil and you know, start your own business, that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Like Armando Baycott. I don't think he's
Speaker 2: ever going to be an NBA guy, but he's in
Speaker 2: the G League, made a lot of money at UNC right.
Speaker 2: He apparently has purchased two hotels and like he's getting it.
Speaker 2: He's using his inn al money to get into the
Speaker 2: hotel business. So I really can't knock anybody for doing it.
Speaker 2: But I also can't really help myself at making fun
Speaker 2: of dudes who not are just really old, but dudes
Speaker 2: who are really old and act as if like they're
Speaker 2: top dog. That just to me, that irks me, you know,
Speaker 2: like Tyler shuck. He kind of seemed like a grandpa
Speaker 2: out here, but he was old, right, So, like, you know,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be so cool, you know, I shouldn't make
Speaker 2: fun of guys who are are old, but I kind
Speaker 2: of can't help it when it comes to like the
Speaker 2: Chad Baker Mazaras of the world who plays for Auburn,
Speaker 2: who's twenty five years old and celebrates like a thirteen
Speaker 2: year old after he makes every shot, like he's the
Speaker 2: most hateable player in college basketball, and he's actually turned
Speaker 2: into the guy that you'll find plenty of people supporting him.
Speaker 2: Of that are Auburn fans, of course, but also a
Speaker 2: lot of Auburn fans are like, dude, stop, like you
Speaker 2: are clown. You look foolish, and you get again with
Speaker 2: the maturity, like you should be able to read the
Speaker 2: room more than anybody else, right, Like it's there's no issue,
Speaker 2: and again, you can do whatever you want. He's not
Speaker 2: not hurting anybody. I mean, he's got a lot of
Speaker 2: technicals and that's a bad look for his image, but
Speaker 2: you know, it's not like he's a terrible human being.
Speaker 2: But like if I was the old guy in college,
Speaker 2: I would act like it you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I feel like that that would be a you know,
Speaker 2: not that you need to feel insecure, but like you're
Speaker 2: asking to be made fun of for you know, like
Speaker 2: you're asking for somebody to send the picture of you
Speaker 2: wearing the link you wearing the LinkedIn jersey, like hey,
Speaker 2: or the the the meme of you know what's in
Speaker 2: SAA got to go pro? It goes pro in something
Speaker 2: other than sports or whatever.
Speaker 5: You athletes and everyone goes pro and somethings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like you know, it's it's harmless. But Ali
Speaker 2: da Aarburn's yeah, Arjie Davis, Like again, he's gonna be
Speaker 2: one of the top three scores of all time.
Speaker 3: He already is in acc history.
Speaker 2: Dude played six years, yeah or five at least, So
Speaker 2: like it's not the same. So when I saw this,
Speaker 2: I was a little bit conflicted because again I don't
Speaker 2: blame these guys. These guys are taking advantage of and
Speaker 2: that I shouldn't even say taking advantage like they're I
Speaker 2: think some of these guys, I don't know if they're
Speaker 2: earning the exact amount of money because you know, I
Speaker 2: don't really know what the return is on the investment.
Speaker 2: That you make in them, but Auburn's got a bunch
Speaker 2: of old dudes wo are getting paid. Auburn's the best
Speaker 2: team in the country, but Auburn they there. So Auburn's
Speaker 2: average age of their starting lineup twenty three point two
Speaker 2: years old. The average age of Oklahoma City Thunders starting
Speaker 2: five twenty four point four. Like that's a wild thing
Speaker 2: to consider. Not as much when you, you know, consider
Speaker 2: that we are in a world where guys can the
Speaker 2: guys do stick around longer. A lot of guys enter
Speaker 2: college not eighteen. They're probably nineteen, not not all of them,
Speaker 2: but many of them. And then if you get an
Speaker 2: extra year you red shirt, you take advantage of that
Speaker 2: COVID year. Like that's how you got dudes playing six years.
Speaker 2: So that's how it happens. But like, I don't know
Speaker 2: that that makes me. It's for the first time I've
Speaker 2: ever looked at something that really, you know, references the
Speaker 2: age of players, and I think to myself, like, well, no,
Speaker 2: wonder they're so good, Like I don't know Ivalburn has
Speaker 2: a pro on their team, but they're old, they're tough,
Speaker 2: they're well coached by Bruce Pearl, and they're the best
Speaker 2: team in college basketball. So yeah, the starting lineup for
Speaker 2: the Thunder Shay Gilgess Alexander he's twenty six, Lou Dort
Speaker 2: he is twenty five, Jalen Williams twenty three, Ched Holmgren
Speaker 2: twenty two. And then the other one who's there?
Speaker 3: Other starter?
Speaker 2: Is it Cason Wallace who's Yeah, Cason Wallace's twenty one,
Speaker 2: So I mean, look that that like that, and then
Speaker 2: Jalen Williams is a guy who sometimes has started for them,
Speaker 2: the former Arkansas player. He's twenty two, So I mean
Speaker 2: it makes sense some other way. The Thunder are really
Speaker 2: good and really young, which is impressive, but man, I
Speaker 2: just have a feeling that's gonna get blown up.
Speaker 5: I saw a thing on ESPN the other day where
Speaker 5: they were talking sometime last week, but they were talking
Speaker 5: about should the Thunder, I mean, because they are probably
Speaker 5: the youngest team in the league and they're really really
Speaker 5: really forty.
Speaker 2: Six and eleven first in the division.
Speaker 5: They're really good, and they and they were saying, should
Speaker 5: they trade the next eight years of first round picks
Speaker 5: to go get to go get Cooper flag?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I saw somebody referencing that, and which is ridiculous
Speaker 2: to sound it out. Yeah, I mean, and Cooper Flag's
Speaker 2: really really good.
Speaker 5: And they already have a guy like they have chet
Speaker 5: Holm Green who basically plays that and who had just
Speaker 5: as much hype I think a few years ago coming
Speaker 5: out of high school, just as much as Cooper Flag did.
Speaker 2: Because when I think, I think Cooper was a little
Speaker 2: bit a little bit more. But no, you're right, he
Speaker 2: was the phenom. Yes, the guy, remember that. Yes, And
Speaker 2: what's crazy is that, like you could get a guy
Speaker 2: who's an MVP Shay should have won MVP last year
Speaker 2: and it's an MVP this year too, so like the
Speaker 2: awards not in his trophy case, but like you already had,
Speaker 2: Like why you blowing that up? I think last year
Speaker 2: them falling in the playoffs to Dallas, You know that
Speaker 2: that that I think this Thunder team not to nerd
Speaker 2: out on the NBA, but to me, this Thunder team
Speaker 2: like with their with their youth, I mean, they're gosh,
Speaker 2: there're eight games ahead of everybody else in the Western Conference,
Speaker 2: that's how good they are. And I just have a
Speaker 2: feeling that this is the year they break through and
Speaker 2: they make the finals. And if that's the case, why
Speaker 2: you're blowing that up like you're right there knocking on
Speaker 2: the door to get to win a title. I mean,
Speaker 2: they might win it this year. Honestly, the best two
Speaker 2: teams are the Celtics and the Thunder, and obviously the
Speaker 2: Celtics deserve the benefit of the doubt until they lose.
Speaker 2: But anyways, we got to get to a break.
Speaker 3: I'm a little late here.
Speaker 2: Sorry. We'll come back five o'clock hours next A lot
Speaker 2: more to get into before we wrap it up, so
Speaker 2: stick with us. It's game day Louisville Virginia Tech tonight,
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