Speaker 1: What is going on?
Speaker 2: Clippers fans, Welcome to a kind of impromptu holiday event session.
I am Chuck Mockler of Clips and dip Adam Ohs
and Will Updike will not be here today. We're gonna
be doing a full crew pod on Tuesday after the
Clippers take on the Heat tomorrow. God only knows what's
gonna happen in that game. But if you're listening to
this and you missed it, you can always find us
at YouTube dot com Shack Clippers podcast. We do these
impromptu hanks. Sorry for the spotty coverage this week. There
was a big holiday. I hosted people and helped with cooking,
so sorry about that. What a hellish week. Things continue
to get worse for the Clippers. They're five and fifteen,
most recently losing to a MAVs team, mostly recently losing
to like a third of the Maps team. They lost
to some of the Dallas Mavericks, which was terrible. Didn't
feel great at all. We're wasting some pretty good performances
from James Harden and Kawhi Leonard and I don't know
what to do, honestly, Ali Malik saying therapy. Yeah, this
this is brutal. We talked about last week when we
were kind of talking trade stuff and things weren't as
hellish as they were, and Will was like it was
when we were four and ten and we were like, oh,
I don't think they should make any trades. Well they're
five and eleven. And Will literally asked me. He was like,
would you do a trade If they're eight and twenty.
Speaker 1: We might be eight and twenty.
Speaker 2: We might end up eight and twenty, So sure, maybe
do some trades just things are going poorly. Last week
in the same episode, we were talking about, Oh, you know,
I think we could tell if guys quit on the
team or something like that. Oh, what's up, Jimmy Williams.
Thank you for the super chat. Yeah, let it out
for the therapy session.
Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving we can. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hope everyone had a great time regardless of whatever
you did this week.
Speaker 1: Made a bomb ass turkey over here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So there was the James Harden I said last week, like, oh,
we would know if James Harden isn't feeling it. He's
a very obvious guy when it comes to those kinds
of things. That has now happened the postgame after the
MAVs the availability was rough. I have the clip and
I'm gonna play it in case you missed it. But
it's just like, shout out Joel, shout out all the
beat reporters, by the way, this whole year. They're always
great for the Clippers, but they deserve some credit here.
Speaker 1: But there we go.
Speaker 2: Who you wanted to play through, how you wanted to
play with the challenge of trying to integrate those different
guys into how y'all.
Speaker 1: Want to play offensive right now? Challenge you? God damn
in what way is everywhere for you?
Speaker 2: I mean, you've been one of the great floor raisers
that this game has ever seen. Is this how is
it more challenging than some of the other situations you've
been in where you've been able to race that floor.
Speaker 1: Around, can call the last situations or whatever like situation
hers is typicult, brutal, terrible.
Speaker 2: That these are the vibes that I was like, we
would know if if things were bad, But this is bad.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: We've seen some dejected Zubot's interviews and CP three is
now cryptically posting I don't know Chris Paul is posting
as if he's a wide receiver, which I don't know
how that feels. He posted the definition of leeway on
his Instagram today. The amount of freedom to mover act
that is available. We don't know what that means. Who
is that directed at. Probably has to do with the
fact that the team is five and fifteen. I don't
like having to look at cryptic Instagram shit.
Speaker 1: It sucks.
Speaker 2: Alan Ning saying any changes on December fifteenth. Probably it
seems things have changed. Obviously we were very much on
the let's wait and see train. Well we're twenty games
in and the Clippers look pretty terrible, and Harden based
on that doesn't even I can understand why.
Speaker 1: He's so frustrated.
Speaker 2: Injuries have been a huge factor, but things kind of
looked bad before all that happened, and the depth has
not been able to pick up any slack at all.
Justin Russo tweeted shout out Justin Rousseau again. Yeah, the
CP three thing makes no sense, Like.
Speaker 1: Who has the leeway here? Who is getting too much
of it?
Speaker 2: Justin Rousseau tweeted this out and he said, I know
I've mentioned it several times in recent days, but the
Clippers are getting twenty eight, six and nine on a
sixty three percent true shooting percentage from James Harden twenty
five to five and three on a sixty four true
shooting percentage from Kwhi Leonard who's also shooting fifty forty
ninety and sixteen twelve and three on sixty two percent
true shooting from a vitza zu bots And they can't
win games. Think about how absurd that even sounds.
Speaker 1: It makes no sense.
Speaker 2: Yes, uh Isiah, we are so deep now, quite literally
the worst depth in the league.
Speaker 1: It really is. It's horrible.
Speaker 2: They scored five points last game the bench did I know,
guys are out. That doesn't change the fact that they
should score more than five points. It's just been everyone
has been bad at things they're usually good at, and
everyone's just like chasing and pushing.
Speaker 1: To try and make something happen. But there's just no
actual communicat.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the defense, by the way, you have
done gambling on steals in that MAVs game, Brook Lopez
had like the most hype of any signing that the
Clippers had almost and now he's getting dnps. Non Clippers fans,
we're talking about how WHOA What's gonna happen when those
backups have to go against Brook Lopez nothing because he's
getting DNPS, so that stinks. CP three. It's his last
season for a reason. It's a franchise goat, but.
Speaker 1: Not really it.
Speaker 2: Bogie's hurt, so that's just brutal. Uh, it's just all
going poorly? Is it the coaching? So this is what's difficult.
This is what's hard for me right now. And I'm
not a basketball genius in any way. I watched the
Clippers and random other games, but I don't know if
it's the coaching, because it.
Speaker 1: Also seems like.
Speaker 2: No one can do what they're supposed to be good at,
you know what I mean. I know it might sound
reductive and stupid. Firing the coach I don't think makes
the team like any better than what they are now. Yeah,
so this is what I was talking about, Lisa. What
is up with this help defense? Everyone is doing klaytops
the wide open for three is ridiculous. That's one of
those plays that Tyler referenced. That play I believe in
the post game kind of, I'm just like they're just
clawing and trying to do shit, and it's just frustrating.
I don't know if it's the coaching. Louve seemed frustrated
a week ago. We watched that clip where he's just
kind of like chuckling to himself about trying to get
guys to do what they're supposed to do. Maybe it's
just exhaustion from having to constantly deal with guys being out.
Can't tell me I lou isn't frustrated. I sure as
hell would be. Think if you had to coach a
team and everyone was hurt all the time, who was
supposed to be good? Yes, it was crazy that they
were billing Bradley Beal as the third best player.
Speaker 1: That was nuts.
Speaker 2: But you still need him to try and make anything
happen this season. You still need Derek Jones junior. You
just think the bench should be a little bit better.
The third and fourth quarter have just been brutal. You
look at the rebounding percentages or rankings per quarter, and
the Clippers are like pretty good in the first half
and then they're just bad in the second half. Maybe
played cam Christy Moore. Sure for the development, for the
sake of development, I agree. I don't think they're gonna
win anything this year. I wanted them to win the
NBA Cup. That doesn't mean shit to people, and they
didn't even win the what's up wayman gave what's up? Jordan,
What's up? Punk's gone wrong? Wayman gave away asking does
the horrible start actually improve their trade options or does
it hurt it? I don't want to say the chaos
is by design, but it is so weird. The chaos
is not by design. Nobody involved with this organization wants
the team to be five and fifteen. The guy who
just purchased and built the new stadium does not want
the team to be five and fifteen. I do not
think this is chaos by design. I think this is chaos.
This is classic Cloppers chaos. So this is where I'm wondering, because, like,
is Babar just gonna keep? I do think the change
that is going to be made will be trades. I
don't think they fire anybody. I don't think they fire
anybody because I don't know if that helps because the
roster is also bad. I don't think if they if
they fire Tylou. I don't think Bogey gets healthy and
starts hitting threes. John Collins stops turning it over. Chris
Dunn stops gambling on steals. Uh. I don't think Brook Lopez,
I don't think becomes the best backup five that he
was supposed to be if they fired Tyler. So I
don't I'm not saying I agree with that. I just
don't think it will happen. I don't know who you
hire either. A couple more of those James Harden interviews
and we'll see where I'm at. But so I think
Balber maybe pushes for some trades.
Speaker 1: Why not? Why not trade?
Speaker 2: I guess I don't think it improves the trade options
because no one on the bench looks good. So the
only the only tradable people on the team are John Collins,
James Harden, Kawhi, Leonard Avitza Zubots. I don't know anyone
else who has a bunch of value. I don't think
they should give a bunch John Collins either. I talked
about that on Tuesday before the Lakers beat the shit
out of us. I think John Collins is a guy
that like you just keep and ride it out because
then you can extend him. And he's part of all
this cap space that we have that what are we
going to use it on?
Speaker 1: Maybe John's Collins.
Speaker 2: Can salvage this season and be extension worthy is what
I'm saying. Keep Derek Jones junior obviously, But I don't
know what the trade values are. The Clippers subreated is
up in arms about it. Like I said, those stats
I just read off like Kawhi and Harden are playing
very good offensive basketball. James Harden is having like a renaissance.
I don't know where he wants to go though, And what.
Speaker 1: Do we get?
Speaker 2: We get low first round pick because I don't think
a bad team is trading for James Harden. We get
low first round pick, and we get guys that they're
gonna try and get off the books. Every trade is
kind of like the Damar trade. It feels like unless
we can get picks, If we can get picks, fuck it.
But yeah, the Kawhi's trade value is so odd because
you're not you just don't know. Harden also has Harden's contract.
I'm pretty sure it's partially guaranteed next year. Am I
wrong about that?
Speaker 1: Nope? Uh, He's making thirty nine this year.
Speaker 2: He's got a player option for forty two million dollars
as a thirty seven year old.
Speaker 1: Twenty six.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven will be fully guaranteed on seven eleven, twenty six,
so it is partially guaranteed. So he's going to be
thirty seven and making forty two million dollars.
Speaker 1: I don't know what team wants that.
Speaker 2: What team is a helio centric point guard away from
winning the chip?
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. I don't know. I don't
know what the values are.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't think the aspiration stuff has anything to
do with wanting to trade Kawhi. I also think that
this franchise, if they could have made a move that
got them picks, would have maybe done it for Kawhi
and James Harden. It's just brutal though, right like maybe
Houston for James Harden.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Someone said, like Punk's gone wrong? Is bringing up to
do we want picks right now? We have to wait
till Kauai troubles settled. What if we trade players, NBA
takes away those picks. I think they'd probably take.
Speaker 1: Away our pick. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: They probably just take away the picks that we were
supposed to get when they read up after the Shade
trade is settled. So I don't know if we would
get traded picks taken away. I have zero knowledge of
how those work, but I don't think they would take
our trade and picks away fair responsive. So I get like,
so I don't know what Bomber's gonna do. It does
feel like a change might need to be made. They're
five and fifteen. They are very close to the bottom
and almost every important stat which is indicative of playing
and coaching, I think it's fair to say it's indicative
of both, Like you're not fifteen with this collection of guys,
with your three top three offensive drivers playing as well,
it's a combination of everything. I don't think placing blame helps.
It'd be great if there was one thing that we
could point to. Raymond Sara asking, is Adam okay? Seemed
pretty despondent last night, but so were all of us.
That's how it feels right now, man. That Laker loss
really started the downward just like, well, shit, we can't
even get up for this game. Also, Raymond Hoop are
doing well. It's just frustrating, dude. You know what every
single game is, what every single game is going to
be top three guys on pace for a great game.
Nobody else able to do anything. Clippers maybe up at
the half end up losing. It's just what happens. They
have no gas. They got hit with a brutal combination
that I think Adam pointed out pretty early in the
season of something to worry about, which is older roster,
the NBA is now faster than it's been in forty
years or whatever. Oh yeah, the Clippers talk chat seems
a little toxic through no fault of Adams.
Speaker 1: Uh, we just put those.
Speaker 2: People on timeout on clips and did we try and
keep it chill. Yeah, So that's what I'm frustrated about everything.
I don't know what the hell is going to happen
this upcoming week. The Clippers play the Heat on Monday,
the Hawks on Wednesday, and then a back to back
Friday Saturday. I don't know what to make of these
matchups because the team's been so bad.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they can build on.
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about this a little bit the
other week, where it's like when you look at the
team on a game by game basis, you're like, yeah,
cut the turnovers out, But then you're like, Okay, if
we cut the turnovers out, does that help everything else?
Like we're still a bottom ten three point shooting team.
We foul a lot, like no one can make a
bucket outside of three guys. John Collins had his best
efficiency the other night, and we couldn't win.
Speaker 1: We can't win games when we win the turnover battle like.
Speaker 2: It's rough right now, Warblade sick name with a picture
with Adam says, considering how good in general l Frank
has been over the years and making moves, how would
you assess how much leverage he's had to.
Speaker 1: Actually make moves while appeasing the Stars?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the Russell Westbrook Paul George sing is
like the most annoying. That's the biggest example of like him,
him capitulating to what the stars want. Trade did had
Lunn went by, they didn't want Russell Westbrook. He had
a quote basically saying we want guys who can shoot well.
Lou and PG kind of public campaigned for Westbrook. They
have to eat Russell Westbrook. So I think, I mean
they had James Harden on the phone with Bradley Beal.
I think it's an open relationship. I don't think Lawrence
Frank is pushing for guy other than Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 1: That one situation, I don't think Len.
Speaker 2: S Frank is pushing for guys that the that the
other guys don't want. But I do think it's very collaborative.
Again to the point that Harden's on the phone with
Bradley Beal. So I don't know. Yeah, oh a war
Blade saying, I think it's because we thought L. Frank
cooked so offseason and as the season's played out has
been an abject failure.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I don't know, man.
Speaker 2: I don't think Lawrence Frank loses his job. I don't
think Tyler loses his job during the season. Scarclio saying
if L. Frank can't fix the team by the trade deadline,
sending packing, the trade deadline is off fixing. Shit, what
is the trade deadline fixing for this team?
Speaker 1: Right? Like what?
Speaker 2: We're not a piece away, you know what I'm saying,
Like this is the most Last year was obviously what
I think will turn out to be the highest part
of the end of the coilan An era, and this
year is the lowest. I don't think next year will
be this bad, but this year is the lowest for
the fact that they can't I don't know if the
team can be fixed. They're broken as hell and so
I don't think l Frank gets fired if he can't
fix the team by the trade deadline, like we're not
going to trade for DeMar Deroz and all of a
sudden play like a sixty one team. Yeah, there's been
a bunch of bad luck and some moves that really
did not work out. I'm not trying to take the
blame off of anybody, but like, uh, Beal breaking his
hip is absurd.
Speaker 1: It's just been exhausting. Man.
Speaker 2: This just like this year has just I think been
the epitome of what everyone's been frustrated about.
Speaker 1: And it's just all happening at once.
Speaker 2: So, hey, really rough end to the era. We got
a whole bunch of cap space and a couple of years,
so let's get hype to use that way we giveaway
and the comments saying talking about how they right congratulations. Yeah,
So this week I don't know what they do. I
hope they go to and two. Norm Powell is probably
gonna have fifty against us on Monday. Uh, we're splitting
the back to back. It's my best guess. God, damn,
do we bring the dips back? This is the season
loss to the point that we should bring the dips back.
If you're new to the show. We do dip reviews
in the off season, and this team is not fouled
right now, so we might bring the dips back.
Speaker 1: Man, I hope they go. Does it even matter if
they go to and two? What's the strength of schedule
for the rest of the year from Tank of thon
average strength or fourteenth? We are right in the middle.
Speaker 2: That's bad because we are five and fifteen, so we're
playing like a dog shit team. If it makes people
feel better, our city has the hardest strength of schedule left.
Speaker 1: Good luck.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, this is a brutal drive or
this is just a brutal, brutal start to the season.
Someone said, explain dips dips, which sometimes again to the
philo philosophical definition of what a dip is. We usually
we bring a recipe for a dip and then we
review it and we determine if we would bring the
dip to a barbecue or not. We've had some really
good ones if you want to watch them. There's some
offseason episodes with the dips. We all tend to do
a very good job, except sometimes Adam doesn't bring anything
to eat. The dip with but we make a dip
recipe once a week.
Speaker 1: We each do. That is what the dips are. Would
you like to hear about that while.
Speaker 2: We also talk about the hellscape that is the Clippers season.
Just let us know on YouTube, let us know in
the comments, let us know on a review on iTunes.
Next eleven days are brutal for the Clippers, for sure.
March there's eighteen games. I have to mention it. I'm
legally obligated to mention it. We got a hell yeah
for the dips.
Speaker 1: Thank you. See we're trying to have some positivity. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hope they lean into play in the youth more. Honestly,
like Jordan Miller's back, that's good. He hasn't been very good.
Get Cam Christy some minutes. Kobe Sanders hitting the bit
of a wall. Oh yeah, the Puerto Rican Mayo ketchup
was very good. You're listening. That has no context, But
someone on the YouTube is commenting about their recipe for
Puerto Rican Mao ketchup fantastic. Yeah, So things are not good.
I tend to try and be positive about the Ers,
but things are not good. They have a bit of
a we just don't know what we just don't know
what's gonna happen. They just look bad like I don't know.
So we we do have actual items. We are bringing
the dips back, so that seems good.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: Let's uh, let's hope we split these next four games.
We're gonna have a full episode for everybody on Tuesday. Yes,
we do need to watch party at the thirty five
or maybe when the Clippers are on the verge of
going like we'll get a thirty five or watch party
setup for sure, because those are fun. I will be
taking a lean uber out there because this team makes you.
Speaker 1: Want to knock them back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people want to make Jeff Gundy
the coach. Well, he didn't Kobe Brown, whatever you think him.
I don't think he'll be back. If you're on the
blank stinks, get rid of him.
Speaker 1: Trained.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people on this Clipper see right
now that you probably don't like five bench points the
other night was terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when is there is there gonna be a player's
only meeting. That would be crazy. Players only meeting would
be nuts.
Speaker 2: Yanick uh Yanick is very athletic, but his defense I
think might be worse than than Robin lopezz uh Brook Lopez. Sorry, Yeah,
we do need Carl Tark. Get Carl Tark to play
the four. We're gonna have Carl on next week. I
think he's also back in December, so we'll have Carl
tart On for sure. We'll get Carl on the show
for sure. All Right, I'm gonna head out and go
watch some Sunday Night football. Hope everyone had a wonderful week.
If you've watched every Clippers game, maybe take a break
this week.
Speaker 1: Maybe just give.
Speaker 2: Yourself some stress and some stress free time. Don't watch
the Clippers. Here's the going to and two here's some
good process. Honestly, at this point, my bar four success
for did the game go well? Is no cryptic postgame comments.
That's where we're at. Does not feel great, no cryptic
postgame comments, and I feel great about whatever happens this week.
We will have a full episode for y'all. Like I
said on Tuesday with Adam Will and myself, thank you
all for hanging out, thank you for being chilling in
the chat. The Clipper the clips and dipchat is always
very fun, so we very we always appreciate.
Speaker 1: People in there.
Speaker 2: If you're listening and you would like to come hang
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at Clippers podcast on YouTube. Yeah, and again, hope everyone
had a safe holiday. Hope you enjoy whatever you were doing.
If you weren't celebrating, send us your dip rest because
I think we're bringing those back, So send us your
favorite dip recipes and we'll make them on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, keep on keeping on. If anyone at your
work talk.
Speaker 2: Should it to you about the Clippers, I don't know,
figure it out.
Speaker 1: Everyone.
Speaker 2: Have a great rest of you your week, and yeah,
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