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Speaker 1: The Basic Survival Badass. Is that the appropriate title? You
Speaker 1: got a mug right there.
Speaker 3: I do. But the survival and basic badass podcast.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: We had the original. We started it out as like
Speaker 3: the prepping badass kind of thing and went that way.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, everyone. It was always, oh, badass.
Speaker 3: That's so offensive. We're so scared. And I'm like, geez,
Speaker 3: you know, really a bit. Oh, yeah. Everywhere I go,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, they get out of here. The disgusted look.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's all right, because if you listen
Speaker 3: to the podcast, you're going to be disgusted anyway. So
Speaker 3: it'll work out, you know, because we're such a weird take.
Speaker 3: Navy guys. Yeah, we're both, you know, sailors. And we
Speaker 3: wanted to kind of like warn people like, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: this isn't maybe the show for everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to listen to the show that's for everybody.
Speaker 1: No, nobody wants to make the show that's for everybody.
Speaker 3: Right. Maybe the guy who pulls that off is like
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan or something. But aside of that, I don't
Speaker 3: know anybody who is really super entertaining and appeals to
Speaker 3: a super broad audience.
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan. The whole reason I used to listen to
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan was for the absolutely off the wall, terrible
Speaker 1: things that he and his guests would talk about.
Speaker 3: And they would. Yes.
Speaker 1: And he's like the fitness and the health and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff came as like an extra. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like nothing makes me more excited
Speaker 1: than when Duncan Trussell is on Joe Rogan. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know who he is, but he is,
Speaker 1: he's the greatest. He is the greatest. But yeah, see,
Speaker 1: I thought when I first saw the, the logo, I
Speaker 1: thought it was completely risky for the other reason. And
Speaker 1: I was delighted to meet you and talk to you.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, the only way that
Speaker 1: this would work is if it was like a cool
Speaker 1: laid back guy. Like, in other words, like if you were,
Speaker 1: you're a veteran it, but if I showed up to the,
Speaker 1: to the bad-ass booth and you had like, you know,
Speaker 1: the tough guy look on and the, you know, the
Speaker 1: tactical gear and all that kind of stuff. And it
Speaker 1: would be like, Ooh, I don't know. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a little too bad-ass for the name. Right. Kind
Speaker 1: of almost like a, I don't know, like a caricature,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you, you guys, you guys got it dialed in.
Speaker 1: You did the right thing.
Speaker 3: Now we're easy. We, we, And that's, that's one of
Speaker 3: the things I think the reason the show did so well,
Speaker 3: it's funny. We do like horrible on YouTube and then
Speaker 3: we're pretty great as far as podcasts go. Yeah. As
Speaker 3: far as Spotify and everywhere like that. Right. Cause I,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I, I was never in my mind.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't see how, you know, this
Speaker 3: format really is. geared towards YouTube. Right. As like, it
Speaker 3: doesn't fit.
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to edit it that much that way and,
Speaker 3: and deal with it. So at first I was cautious
Speaker 3: and then, you know, YouTube has all their standards and
Speaker 3: community guidelines and everything. And the thing is, and I
Speaker 3: was like, well, I'm doing it for the podcast, you know,
Speaker 3: for the audio. So I don't even care. And so like,
Speaker 3: we were just, you know, abusing the system left and right.
Speaker 3: And we're getting the, you're horrible, you're horrible. So YouTube
Speaker 3: like wants to squash everything we've ever done. And then
Speaker 3: I slowly started to conform and, and like make things,
Speaker 3: you know, I'd leave things out for YouTube or whatever.
Speaker 3: And then mysteriously now it's funny. I use a Spotify for,
Speaker 3: advertising and, uh, they had reached out. They were like, Oh,
Speaker 3: you know, we could do this and, and we'll just
Speaker 3: put ads that are, I guess it's a waypoint TV
Speaker 3: or yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. I see.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And they're there. They do Spotify. Like they work it out,
Speaker 3: but it's, it's all like Hunter outdoor commercials.
Speaker 1: And, and like, Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 3: But, uh, Anyway, apparently all the commercials that they do
Speaker 3: ended up hitting the community standards lately. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: But it'll be weird things. They'll be like, oh, you're
Speaker 3: talking about guns and ammo. And it'll be like fishingbooker.com.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what do you... YouTube sucks, man. That
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. And then I'll have them like,
Speaker 3: can you check it? And they're like, yeah, we're just right.
Speaker 3: You're wrong.
Speaker 1: No, what doesn't make sense is... This is what doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. Is they'll... They'll message you about that. And
Speaker 1: then my kid will come down and say, Dad, look
Speaker 1: at this Glock with the switch on it and the magazine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And there's a kid shooting it. And I'm going, I
Speaker 1: think I just got in trouble the other day for
Speaker 1: posting something about firearms or ammo or something along those lines.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So it's a total it's totally we got thrown off
Speaker 1: of YouTube, thrown off. The last time we've been thrown
Speaker 1: off like twice, like obliterated, whole archive gone.
Speaker 3: I haven't hit your level. So you're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, we've been obliterated twice from YouTube. But the last
Speaker 1: time was because one of our hosts, Caleb Collier, was
Speaker 1: doing a show about alternative cancer treatments.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: And they were like, no, no, no. This is medical misinformation, dude.
Speaker 1: See ya. Gone. We always have at least a few
Speaker 1: warnings in the pocket when we're on YouTube. They're always there.
Speaker 1: We're never free.
Speaker 3: So maybe I shouldn't take it to heart as much
Speaker 3: as I do. Like, Oh man, I'm a horrible person.
Speaker 1: Definitely don't take it to heart.
Speaker 3: Good God.
Speaker 1: No, they have no idea what they're doing. They have
Speaker 1: no idea what they're doing. Well, next time you get
Speaker 1: in trouble for something, just go to the search bar
Speaker 1: and search it. And there'll be 50 videos on it
Speaker 1: or something much worse.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's crazy. I just never understand. I'm like, I
Speaker 3: think I'm following like now the cool thing is they
Speaker 3: have the, uh, well, if you take this quick quiz
Speaker 3: on learning whatever, you know, and say that you're conforming
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 1: You know, our standard. Oh, you think a re-education course?
Speaker 3: Right, the re-education camp. I could zip through that in
Speaker 3: like two seconds. I'm like, yep, I know that. I
Speaker 3: know that. I know exactly where you went wrong there.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't think I'm doing that. And
Speaker 3: then I did have one, though, that was a specific
Speaker 3: website that, kind of met the thing and the thing
Speaker 3: is like they weren't a sponsor i didn't have an
Speaker 3: affiliate thing yeah but guy worked there and i'm like
Speaker 3: oh this guy works at this thing that i can't
Speaker 3: mention and they were like oh you were promoting that
Speaker 3: and i'm like oh i guess.
Speaker 1: I kind of did yeah.
Speaker 3: Well that's it i'm not trying to sink your uh
Speaker 3: your world here so oh.
Speaker 1: You can say whatever the hell you want on this
Speaker 1: podcast dude.
Speaker 3: Oh you guys are in the freedom zone.
Speaker 1: Huh i do not No, there is no conformity whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's, you know, when we get a
Speaker 1: new host, that's one of the first things I tell them.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? One of the first things
Speaker 1: I tell them is say whatever you want and talk
Speaker 1: about whatever you're passionate about. That's why we're here. And
Speaker 1: the other thing is I'm not responsible for your career.
Speaker 1: Should you start saying everything you want to say online,
Speaker 1: you better be very careful with what happens to your
Speaker 1: income stream because. Not everybody's a big fan of that.
Speaker 1: Not every workplace is like, yeah, I really like your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Donald Trump. You know what I mean? But forever,
Speaker 1: that's been our calling. That's why I knew for a
Speaker 1: long time we would never make any money on YouTube
Speaker 1: because we wouldn't last long enough. Because we got skewered
Speaker 1: for the vaccine. We got killed for Biden in 2020.
Speaker 1: And it's just a matter of time thing. Like it's
Speaker 1: like eventually something's going to happen in society where we're
Speaker 1: going to, you know, figure out what the real deal
Speaker 1: is and talk about it. And YouTube's going to be like,
Speaker 1: you're not quite ready to talk about that yet. We're
Speaker 1: still covering that up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's still, we'll get booted again.
Speaker 3: That's always one of the things like we, one, uh,
Speaker 3: being a New Yorker, which obviously not a city guy,
Speaker 3: but you know, I knew people with cows. It's a thing. And, uh,
Speaker 3: in New York, but, uh, the, uh, we have a
Speaker 3: little bit of sarcasm that, that comes with it and
Speaker 3: a little, you know, nuance. And, uh, so we'll talk me,
Speaker 3: me and my brother and he's, we're very different. Like,
Speaker 3: so I'm libertarian, very right-leaning, like think like Ayn Rand
Speaker 3: or Ayn Rand. And, uh, He's kind of like libertarian,
Speaker 3: like anarchist. It goes that way.
Speaker 1: I don't understand the anarchist thing. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: What does anarchist do? What is the concept? Like libertarian
Speaker 1: I get, like leave me alone. But then anarchist is
Speaker 1: like what? Like fucking just blow stuff up. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's really about causing chaos. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, in theory, both libertarian like foundation of we
Speaker 3: don't want anybody to tell us what to do. So
Speaker 3: an anarchist and a libertarian wants that. So we have
Speaker 3: some common ground. But then, you know, his he'll go.
Speaker 3: into like things that are fairly left-leaning and I'm like, Oh, and,
Speaker 3: but the idea was we thought it was great for
Speaker 3: the podcast because you're getting both eyes and we're getting
Speaker 3: a discussion and a debate and there you go. Right.
Speaker 3: And then, but with the New York sarcasm kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: people don't get, so, people will come back and be like,
Speaker 3: I can't believe you said this. This is ridiculous. I
Speaker 3: hate you. I'm never listening again. And I'm like, wait,
Speaker 3: you agree with me with what you're saying. You just
Speaker 3: didn't understand that I was joking.
Speaker 1: Oh, like you were literally being too good at sarcasm.
Speaker 3: Apparently. I've nailed it. I've mastered the art.
Speaker 1: This doesn't align with Chuck's typical views. What's going on?
Speaker 3: Exactly. They captured it.
Speaker 1: The algorithm is captured.
Speaker 3: His true inner person has been exposed.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you got to remember, man, and I
Speaker 1: understand this because I came from Southeast, like right outside
Speaker 1: of Philadelphia. You're still a Yankee to your audience base, probably.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like your audience base ain't the Northeast.
Speaker 3: I'm a Yankee here.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a Yankee. So I feel like there's probably
Speaker 1: always a leery eye like waiting for you to switch.
Speaker 1: Like any minute there's a Yankee going to switch on us.
Speaker 1: I know it. There's got to be some group of
Speaker 1: the population listening to this show that's like that. So
Speaker 1: they probably hear you do your sarcasm thing and go,
Speaker 1: I knew it.
Speaker 3: I knew it. And that's it. I don't even know
Speaker 3: I'm doing it. It's so bad. Like everything, when I
Speaker 3: moved to the South, I just had to learn to
Speaker 3: slow down. So I'm in North Carolina now. But it
Speaker 3: was just like I went to work. I worked for
Speaker 3: a big engine manufacturer company. And I go do the orientation.
Speaker 3: And they're like, oh, you got to go over and
Speaker 3: do this, learn how to drive fork truck things or
Speaker 3: something like that. And I'm running through the building trying
Speaker 3: to get there because they're like, you need to be
Speaker 3: there in 10 minutes or something. And it's a mile
Speaker 3: away or whatever. You know, I don't know. And I'm going.
Speaker 3: And this lady, I was like, oh, excuse me. Could
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm polite. I'm like, excuse me. Can
Speaker 3: you tell me where, you know, they do the fork
Speaker 3: truck training, whatever. And she's like, stop. First, how are
Speaker 3: you today? How are things going? And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I need to change my whole approach in life.
Speaker 1: Do you go back at all?
Speaker 3: But it's like a wake-up call, you know?
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you ever go back, though? Do you ever go
Speaker 1: back to New York?
Speaker 3: I really, really try not to. If the wife didn't
Speaker 3: make me, I would not. That's the answer. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: if I go to New York, I have to drive
Speaker 3: through New Jersey. I really don't want to. going to
Speaker 3: new jersey at all i feel like they're just gonna
Speaker 3: you used to read the stories they were pulling people
Speaker 3: over because they'd run their plate and see that they
Speaker 3: have a concealed carry permit and then be like oh
Speaker 3: where's your god and you know just out of state
Speaker 3: you know and plus they're like if you have hollow
Speaker 3: points you have anything that's it's you're a felon you're
Speaker 3: you're it's they were And that was years ago. I
Speaker 3: don't know where their laws are now. I just try
Speaker 3: and circle around the state as a general rule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, through PA maybe. Yeah, because when I return home,
Speaker 1: I always remember. I'm almost immediately taken aback by the...
Speaker 1: You would look at it if you didn't grow up there,
Speaker 1: and you will understand this, as people being mean, but
Speaker 1: it's more like people being... you want to say efficient,
Speaker 1: but it's not just efficient. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you go in the best place.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The place I see it always is like the
Speaker 1: hoagie shop pizza shop.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I go in the hoagie
Speaker 1: shop pizza shop and they're like, what can I get you?
Speaker 1: And that's it. You know what I mean? And then
Speaker 1: it's like, and tell me like quickly what it is
Speaker 1: you want. You know what I mean? And I forget
Speaker 1: about that. I go in there, but then see, there's
Speaker 1: a difference because there's also really crap customer service in
Speaker 1: Virginia in certain places. And it is a different thing.
Speaker 3: Then it's because you're the outsider, right? And it's so
Speaker 3: they want to snub you. But you're right.
Speaker 1: I think it's just poor performance. Not in all places.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the South has bad customer service. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying the level of worker has attrited to the
Speaker 1: point where you see the difference between a mean person
Speaker 1: who's going to get you what you want the way
Speaker 1: you want it quickly. compared to someone who's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not really paying attention to you or this job type
Speaker 1: of thing.
Speaker 3: And I think you get that in both places. Yeah. No,
Speaker 3: but I see your point. You're trying to say that
Speaker 3: it's everywhere. It's just that, yeah, no, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I just, I think definitely New York has that like
Speaker 3: efficiency and urgency. If we have, I, so I'm a,
Speaker 3: an electrician and I, so basically machines, mill engine blocks are,
Speaker 3: And when that machine that does the milling breaks, I
Speaker 3: jump up and run. Yeah. So I'm just sitting in
Speaker 3: my desk doing nothing until an emergency, you know, like
Speaker 3: a fireman that, you know, goes maybe not quite as important,
Speaker 3: but it is to the people who are counting the pennies.
Speaker 3: I'm very important. Yeah. So, but that's the thing I'll
Speaker 3: be sitting there and I'm like, Oh, they called I'm
Speaker 3: going cause they pay me. And if they're going to
Speaker 3: pay me to sit there for four hours and do nothing,
Speaker 3: then I feel like I really should jump.
Speaker 1: When they want me to jump.
Speaker 3: Cause I'm willing to give them that. I mean, they're
Speaker 3: paying me, you know, that's cool. And, uh, so I'm
Speaker 3: like that. And the other guys are like, let me
Speaker 3: finish this half hour conversation. And let me, and I'm like, dude, like,
Speaker 3: this is your purpose here. This is why they pay us.
Speaker 3: We need to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They want to get back online as quick as possible.
Speaker 3: Exactly. You know, minutes are, you know, I think they
Speaker 3: it's something crazy. I think we put an engine comes
Speaker 3: off the end of the line like every minute and
Speaker 3: a half. And it's something like six thousand dollars profit
Speaker 3: per engine. Wow. Yeah, we don't we don't mess around.
Speaker 3: And wow.
Speaker 1: Wait, these are engines for forklifts or vehicle like cars.
Speaker 3: Think big rig.
Speaker 1: Think okay that makes sense.
Speaker 3: You might be able to put together where i work
Speaker 3: but i got you i would tell you what think
Speaker 3: of a truck and yeah it's in that and uh yeah.
Speaker 1: I think i follow you and i just i don't.
Speaker 3: Want everybody being like yeah you know where he works.
Speaker 1: We gotta go definitely yeah yeah he doesn't work there.
Speaker 3: And i didn't like yeah because that guy is crazy
Speaker 3: they know i'm crazy though so it kind of works
Speaker 3: out um they know I'm like the necessary evil. And
Speaker 3: they're like, well, you know, that guy really annoys me,
Speaker 3: but he really, I've had my manager tell me this directly.
Speaker 3: You know, he's like, yeah, you give me a lot
Speaker 3: of grief, but you solve so many of my problems
Speaker 3: that I don't care. It's like, you want to come
Speaker 3: in late? You want to leave early? Do whatever you want.
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem. When I send angry emails saying,
Speaker 3: stop doing this. I'm not talking about you. He's like,
Speaker 3: you solve my problems. You can do whatever you want.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: That's damn cool these days.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because we have all these company meetings
Speaker 3: and I just never go at all because I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm just going to stay at my desk.
Speaker 1: You're like, anything could happen, but I might get a call.
Speaker 3: And I've talked to the managers after. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 3: I noticed you guys don't say anything that I don't
Speaker 3: show up because I just really don't care. I want
Speaker 3: to live my life the way I want to live
Speaker 3: my life. And I'm like, man, I said the way
Speaker 3: it is in my mind is I said it's mutually
Speaker 3: beneficial because you like I'm not there because I don't
Speaker 3: ask you questions because I ask questions. I'm a jerk.
Speaker 3: You know, again, it's that New York thing. And they're like,
Speaker 3: you know, and then so you don't get questions and
Speaker 3: I'm happy because I don't have to go to the meeting.
Speaker 3: So it works out. And they were like, yeah, we agree.
Speaker 3: That's a great policy. And. And we can stick with that.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, let's keep doing that. Because I'm
Speaker 3: always like, oh, you guys said this, but you were
Speaker 3: completely lying then, right? Because this is the way it
Speaker 3: really is.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Well, no. Nobody wants too much truth at
Speaker 1: a meeting.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And so they're like, it's best you just don't come.
Speaker 3: So I'm that guy.
Speaker 1: Meetings are not the place for truth or history whatsoever. Right.
Speaker 1: It's the little thing that we're doing that day and
Speaker 1: everyone's going to cheer it on no matter how stupid
Speaker 1: or bad it is. And then we go our separate ways.
Speaker 3: I just cannot play those games.
Speaker 1: They are games, man. They are very real games. And
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, the homesteading lifestyle, the podcasting lifestyle,
Speaker 1: the self-reliant lifestyle is like people see that as a
Speaker 1: way out of the game. you know yeah it's like
Speaker 1: oh man i might be that might be my way
Speaker 1: out of the game and it's weird like a whole
Speaker 1: generation of people coming up now that are trying to
Speaker 1: figure out like i don't even know if i want
Speaker 1: to go to college to even get the game board
Speaker 1: open you know what i.
Speaker 3: Mean i don't even want to start exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah like i might eat that a lot of people
Speaker 1: go on your route man trades trades and uh i
Speaker 1: mean they're they're gonna be big they are currently very
Speaker 1: big actually.
Speaker 3: I think that's where people need to be and I
Speaker 3: think the world needs it and the money is there.
Speaker 3: When I was in New York, I worked with another guy.
Speaker 3: He had a a small business. We did like appliance repair,
Speaker 3: like fridge, stove, washer, dryer, fridge, stove, that kind of stuff. And,
Speaker 3: but we had like a organization of small businesses that
Speaker 3: were all buddy tradesmen kind of thing. So we had
Speaker 3: an electrician that we always referred and a certain plumber
Speaker 3: and a, whatever, actually two or three plumbers, whatever, but
Speaker 3: we were all friends and we'd hang out, you know,
Speaker 3: and we'd do like a Christmas party where just the
Speaker 3: bunch of the, you know, owners or one or two
Speaker 3: people would hang out, you know, every year and, and
Speaker 3: do a thing. And I talked to him and they'd
Speaker 3: have like, so I knew an electrician, the guy had
Speaker 3: 20 electricians that worked under him. So that's a big,
Speaker 3: small business in my mind.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: By government standards, that's probably small, but you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? To me, that's, that guy's killing it, you know?
Speaker 3: And he's like, Oh, let me get my son to
Speaker 3: take over the business. Oh, I don't want any part
Speaker 3: of that. I know how hard you work. I don't
Speaker 3: want to do that. And I'm like, what? And then
Speaker 3: the thing is though, my plumber buddy, same exact thing.
Speaker 3: My family won't take it over.
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 3: Nobody. And none of them.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, I'm not touching it. Cause I know you
Speaker 3: work all the time and I don't want that out
Speaker 3: of life. And I'm like, well, good luck.
Speaker 1: Cause you know, I don't know. That's I, that's what
Speaker 1: I don't get.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What is the other way I work?
Speaker 3: It's nonstop.
Speaker 1: You know, that's my, there is no option for the app. See,
Speaker 1: I think it's probably a, you, you, you get, lucky
Speaker 1: in life or you work hard in life and you
Speaker 1: can give kids something that you never had. And I
Speaker 1: think they just wind up giving them too much of
Speaker 1: a cushion, you know what I mean? To where they're like, eh,
Speaker 1: I'd rather just live with you forever. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Right.
Speaker 3: I always think like, that's how I perceived the world.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's true, but I always felt like
Speaker 3: the reason kids like start to hate their parents as
Speaker 3: teenagers and you have that Turmoil that you used to have.
Speaker 3: You really don't anymore in society. But, you know, in
Speaker 3: the 80s and 90s and early 2000s, the teenager and
Speaker 3: the parent would always be butting heads. And I thought
Speaker 3: that was the natural progression. So you could turn 18
Speaker 3: and be like, screw you, I'm leaving. And I'm moving
Speaker 3: out and doing, you know, my own thing. And that's
Speaker 3: what pushed it. And now kids are like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it's pretty good here. I think I'm going to stay.
Speaker 3: There is no, that is a good metric.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's definitely a good metric in teenage household. If
Speaker 1: you're in the teenage years and you're not at least like,
Speaker 1: what happened to my little buddy? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's something you're, you're probably doing something wrong as a parent.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because I feel like that's
Speaker 1: just natural. It just is natural.
Speaker 3: You know, it's the, And so the way I maybe
Speaker 3: clenched that, cause I was pretty good, you know, buddies
Speaker 3: with my kids, but the way I clenched it is
Speaker 3: they were boys. And I was like, look, you're never
Speaker 3: going to have sex with somebody in my house. So
Speaker 3: that's something you need to figure.
Speaker 1: That's a good way to get them out.
Speaker 3: They're like 18. I'm gone. You know, they had their
Speaker 3: own good way to get them out. Both of them
Speaker 3: were moved out by 19, but then the girls, you
Speaker 3: put some kind of standard like that and they're like.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm good.
Speaker 1: Whatever I'll say no grandkids for you then dad.
Speaker 3: You lose you're the one being punished yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's it yeah well I mean I think it
Speaker 1: makes sense it is it's definitely a good tell um
Speaker 1: and I kind of you know I want to see
Speaker 1: that out of my kids one thing one thing I
Speaker 1: definitely don't want is is kids who follow all the
Speaker 1: rules right They're going to wind up.
Speaker 3: You learn to conform.
Speaker 1: They're going to wind up with masks on and stuff.
Speaker 1: Double masks. Triple masks.
Speaker 3: They're the ones wearing the mask in the car, right?
Speaker 3: That's it. If they're big rule followers. And it's weird.
Speaker 3: I mean, we all get conditioned and change how we
Speaker 3: are and live. And I mean, I'm sure even you, me, whatever,
Speaker 3: there are things that we're like, oh, I got to
Speaker 3: conform to that. I came out of the military and
Speaker 3: I still can't like walk on the grass when I'm
Speaker 3: going up to somebody's house or whatever. I used to
Speaker 3: do the repairs and I would go to somebody's house
Speaker 3: and they wouldn't have a walkway at all.
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, just stand there at the street
Speaker 1: for the rest of the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm like, I don't know what I'm going to
Speaker 3: do here. I'm just, you know, throw me a line.
Speaker 1: Help me.
Speaker 3: Help me here. That's it. You know, you, you don't
Speaker 3: know how to conform or whatever. We all find a
Speaker 3: way and find our balance in life. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: you got to realize we just want to live our
Speaker 3: lives and do the thing. And that is, I think,
Speaker 3: a big part of the whole prepping thing, right? Is
Speaker 3: we get excited about like, hey, the more I can
Speaker 3: provide for myself, the less you can take away from me, right?
Speaker 1: That's the big piece for sure.
Speaker 3: The less you can tax, the less you can, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm just taking care of it. Because if I'm growing
Speaker 3: something and I'm eating it, At least right now, there
Speaker 3: is no tax in that equation.
Speaker 1: Good caveat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: The health tax.
Speaker 3: Next week, they might be like, wait, that is a
Speaker 3: missed market. We got to get it up.
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely. I wouldn't put it past certain states.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's, it's brew, right? The rainwater. Well, we could get
Speaker 3: them there.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You got a rain barrel.
Speaker 3: Nobody's doing that anymore. I don't know. I keep reading
Speaker 3: different things that you're allowed. You're not in all the states.
Speaker 1: I learned something from Samantha Biggers. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know her. She's a prepping and survival author. She's great.
Speaker 1: But she told me something a long time ago about chickens.
Speaker 1: She was like, nobody, the government doesn't find your chickens.
Speaker 1: The neighbors report your chickens. If you work on your
Speaker 1: neighbor relations first, no one's going to report your rain barrels.
Speaker 1: No one's going to report your chickens. No one's going
Speaker 1: to report what you're doing unless your neighbor goes, I
Speaker 1: hate that bastard and I'm going to get him. Or
Speaker 1: he's got a rooster and he's not supposed to and
Speaker 1: I got to listen to it all day.
Speaker 3: That's where you get into trouble. The rooster does you in.
Speaker 3: I think now the world though is changing. We're getting
Speaker 3: drones where the building inspectors out with drones.
Speaker 1: And yeah that's true we'll have to see how that goes.
Speaker 3: Property assessor i know and i'm rural like north carolina
Speaker 3: you know yeah i don't think.
Speaker 1: You hear a drone that's definitely gonna perk you.
Speaker 3: Up and we yeah we saw drones and it was
Speaker 3: it was the assessor you know oh really.
Speaker 1: Oh so you saw an assessor drone come over okay.
Speaker 3: And we were like oh what's going on buddy.
Speaker 1: And he was like, what's going on with you, buddy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I'm going to get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 1: You're building a nuclear bomb in your backyard, Chuck. We're
Speaker 1: coming to check it out.
Speaker 3: So I think how you vote locally, you know, affects
Speaker 3: that world that you're going to get. People always think
Speaker 3: local elections don't matter. And then, you know, maybe that's something,
Speaker 3: you know, that changes your life. So.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, local elections are massive and usually it's one
Speaker 1: side or the other that doesn't even bother in a
Speaker 1: lot of cases.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That's what I see. You know, you have a Republican
Speaker 1: dominant area in rural counties unless it's unless you suddenly
Speaker 1: have new people moving in, which I mean, my ride
Speaker 1: to Prepper Camp is just construction story now. It's so
Speaker 1: weird compared to like six years ago or whatever when
Speaker 1: I first started coming. I drive to Prepper Camp through
Speaker 1: North Carolina through the mountainous regions, right? And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: where do these people work? Where does a condo full
Speaker 1: of people go get a job in a rural town
Speaker 1: like this? I don't understand it. So that's how those
Speaker 1: elections go from we've been Republican forever and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden now there's a Democratic base that's firing up.
Speaker 1: And we got to figure out how to, you know,
Speaker 1: how to match that. I'm in the opposite boat. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm here in Richmond, Virginia. I'm like, my wife and
Speaker 1: I are like a drop of blood in the pool.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: It's just contaminating their great way of life.
Speaker 1: There's nothing going on for Republicans in Richmond. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if we have anybody who runs, you know,
Speaker 1: Republican in Richmond.
Speaker 3: We, when I was in New York, we had a
Speaker 3: sheriff who was a Democrat. Yeah. And he was the
Speaker 3: most pro-gun guy in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we want those Democrats back, right?
Speaker 3: Right. And so nobody– they wouldn't run a Republican against
Speaker 3: him because they were like, all right, we're just good.
Speaker 3: We'll just keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 1: Keep going.
Speaker 3: And he was great. And for my whole life until
Speaker 3: right at the last minute when I was moving out,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden– It was like right after Sandy
Speaker 3: Hook and stuff and things were getting bad. And he
Speaker 3: was like, look, he goes, I want everyone who can
Speaker 3: legally carry a gun to carry a gun because the
Speaker 3: more good guys with guns in their hands, the safer
Speaker 3: my people are. And to me, that sounds logical. Well,
Speaker 3: the Democrats all heard it and were like, wait a minute.
Speaker 3: This is how our Democrat thinks, and they immediately go, oh,
Speaker 3: we got to get rid of this guy. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: it switched the whole dynamic. So that ended up sabotaging
Speaker 3: the whole thing. So that's how it goes sometimes. You
Speaker 3: just got to keep the low profile.
Speaker 1: You know yeah that's the part of prepping that i
Speaker 1: think people don't take advantage of as much as they
Speaker 1: should is then you have the ability to get above
Speaker 1: politics in a lot of ways you know what i
Speaker 1: mean in political outcomes right because all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you can control a little more of your life than
Speaker 1: the average person and There's that situation in Gary, Indiana
Speaker 1: right now where people are learning that lesson once again.
Speaker 1: You guys learned it. Well, I don't know if– you're
Speaker 1: not that far west, right? You weren't hit by Helene. No.
Speaker 3: Aside of being at Prepper Camp and dealing with the immediate,
Speaker 3: I did not have long-term effects from Helene.
Speaker 1: It's so weird that Helene, so it's so weird that
Speaker 1: I would travel all six hours to Prepper Camp, to
Speaker 1: Henderson or wherever. Saluda, that's it, to Saluda. And I
Speaker 1: would travel there and our whole thing would be, you know,
Speaker 1: we're the Preppers. We're going to teach people. We're going
Speaker 1: to do our courses. We're going to tell you, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, nobody's coming if things get bad and so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. And it didn't occur to me
Speaker 1: till the ride home that like now I drive to
Speaker 1: this disaster zone. where it has been proven, like literally
Speaker 1: like the fruits of our labor, like no one's coming.
Speaker 1: Like North Carolina, Western North Carolina is still reeling. Southwestern
Speaker 1: North Carolina is still reeling, still rebuilding. And it just
Speaker 1: is so weird that that area where we would sort
Speaker 1: of show up and it would be like our epicenter
Speaker 1: of prepping for the year, all the hosts, you know,
Speaker 1: we'd all show up, do our thing. All of a
Speaker 1: sudden has become like a, it's almost like a training ground.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, we got this training ground. You can
Speaker 1: drive around and look at the damage. We're not lying.
Speaker 1: Talk to anybody local. They'll tell you.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable. So it had just happened. Like, you know, Prepper Camp,
Speaker 3: usually you go set up on Thursday and then it
Speaker 3: begins on Friday. Yeah. And we, they postponed it a
Speaker 3: day because of the hurricane.
Speaker 1: Right. Because it rolled in Thursday, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Thursday evening, basically. Friday at noon, they were like, all right,
Speaker 3: the actual storm part of it is over. So we're
Speaker 3: doing it. We're still on. And we're going to basically
Speaker 3: start on Saturday. And I went to drive in. When
Speaker 3: you were three hours out, you hit the first gas
Speaker 3: station with no power. And there was not a single
Speaker 3: one the entire way. And I was like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is unexpected.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Cause then you got to go three hours back, you.
Speaker 1: Know, six hour round of no gas.
Speaker 3: And you're like, it can't be all the way. No gas.
Speaker 3: Like I'll get it. The next one or the, you know,
Speaker 3: and you're like, all right, this is a little different
Speaker 3: than expected.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Dave Jones almost ran out of gas. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was right there on the line and he pulled over
Speaker 1: and he talked to, he said, Hey, I'm about to
Speaker 1: be out of gas. Does anywhere have gas? And the
Speaker 1: guy was like, up on the left. He was literally
Speaker 1: right there. Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He just barely made it. When we left the first
Speaker 3: gas station we hit, cause you're like, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to keep going. This might be it, you know? Cause
Speaker 3: then everybody was wiped out from gas, you know, anybody
Speaker 3: on the edges. And I think we sat for three
Speaker 3: hours in the car waiting for gas. But the crazy
Speaker 3: part is at that point, you're so grateful.
Speaker 1: Oh, I just have to wait three.
Speaker 3: Hours and I'm going to get gas, you know, as
Speaker 3: opposed to, And you're just stalling out. Don't run out before. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Don't run out before I get up there in line.
Speaker 3: You know, you're always panicked. Oh, that guy's filling his tank.
Speaker 3: That guy's, you know, whatever.
Speaker 1: It gets crazy. It's like Jimmy Carter all over again.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I saw, I remember watching the weather very closely.
Speaker 1: And I remember the moment I called Rick and told
Speaker 1: him I wasn't coming. I saw Thursday night or Friday.
Speaker 1: It was two days in a row. It was like
Speaker 1: 12 inches of rain one day and nine inches of
Speaker 1: rain the next day. And I was like, honey.
Speaker 3: That doesn't sound like me.
Speaker 1: I don't think I want to fight that beast. We'll
Speaker 1: see him in 25.
Speaker 3: The right call. You know, that was the right call.
Speaker 1: That seemed, yeah. I mean, I just didn't know how,
Speaker 1: you know, getting there, getting back, that whole thing. I
Speaker 1: wasn't about to be trapped. I wasn't about to lose
Speaker 1: my vehicle or something terrible like that.
Speaker 3: And what people don't realize is, so maps barely go
Speaker 3: that small with the roads, right? You have to have
Speaker 3: a very targeted map to have the little back roads.
Speaker 3: They all have the highways and whatever, but to have
Speaker 3: the little. But then there's zero phone service, which means
Speaker 3: zero GPS on your phone.
Speaker 1: You ain't getting no Google Maps to help you out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 3: You got nothing. You got nothing. And the thing is, too,
Speaker 3: you're like, well, yeah, but I paid attention and I
Speaker 3: knew the roads in. Well, OK, but now that road's
Speaker 3: got trees all over it. So now what road?
Speaker 1: It's washed out altogether.
Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, crap. And now I'm going this way.
Speaker 3: And oh, now I'm in South Carolina. And now I'm
Speaker 3: going this way and I'm in. Yeah, it was like crazy.
Speaker 3: It really. And the thing is, too, when you add
Speaker 3: now you're desperate with your gas gauge. And now I'm
Speaker 3: making all these wrong turns, turning down every which road.
Speaker 3: And you're freaking out going, oh, God, what about this?
Speaker 3: What about that?
Speaker 1: It is weird how Prepper Camp throws some kind of
Speaker 1: situation at you every year. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It does. Like 2019, I remember, I think it was 2020. No,
Speaker 1: it was 2020. 2020, we had torrential rain. And the
Speaker 1: whole area down there by the lake was basically flooded.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily flooded like you couldn't walk in it, but
Speaker 1: flooded like you need galoshes to walk through. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And it rained most days. There just
Speaker 1: always seems to be like a learning opportunity bonus beyond
Speaker 1: just Prepper Camp and the classes.
Speaker 3: You get to really test your skills. We had the
Speaker 3: heat this year, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the heat was the test this year. The heat
Speaker 1: was the test. Dude, I was washed out Monday. Like
Speaker 1: it was crazy. And then Tuesday, even a little bit, Tuesday,
Speaker 1: a little bit, I was still kind of like the
Speaker 1: best way I could describe it. It felt like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you play video games, but like, it
Speaker 1: felt like my stamina bar was small. Like it would be, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's the end. Not normal. You know, like I usually
Speaker 1: have really good stamina for things and it just was like,
Speaker 1: that's all you got. Go back and sit on the couch.
Speaker 1: It was surprising. But, you know, you burn your electrolytes
Speaker 1: out and all that stuff. That happens. And we sweat, what,
Speaker 1: 10 hours a day. You know what I mean? Easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I got there early.
Speaker 3: And that's it. You're just going energy. Well, somebody's got
Speaker 3: to be up to make the coffee, right? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't mind. Hell, with that parking situation, I didn't
Speaker 1: mind getting there early.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, pool and park. Nobody's there yet. No back and
Speaker 1: forth traffic type of thing.
Speaker 3: If you weren't parked by 7, you were at least
Speaker 3: worried that it was going to be an issue.
Speaker 1: It would be an adventure for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, despite the, I mean, what really blew me away,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you too, was the fact that Sunday was busy,
Speaker 1: you know, like Sunday had people.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It kind of blew me away. I was really thinking
Speaker 1: like by Sunday, people are going to be roasted, you know,
Speaker 1: medium well, and they're going to be out of here
Speaker 1: by then, you know?
Speaker 3: I agree. That was what I thought. You know, I
Speaker 3: thought everybody would be gone. I didn't, I taught one
Speaker 3: of the later classes and it was at like four
Speaker 3: o'clock and I was like, there's going to be nobody.
Speaker 3: And then even worse, the guy before me who did
Speaker 3: the lecture in the tent didn't show up. And it
Speaker 3: was kind of like set up as like a part one,
Speaker 3: part two. So I'm like, this is really going to
Speaker 3: get people to abandon. And then there were like 20
Speaker 3: people there. And I'm like, whoo, you know, that's all right.
Speaker 1: That's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a great year, man. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: despite it being a hundred degrees, I thought it was
Speaker 1: a great year, great opportunity. We met a lot of people,
Speaker 1: you know, handed out a lot of cards. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure we'll get a lot of new listeners from it.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: I got to connect with a lot of people that,
Speaker 3: you know, I'd met in the past, but didn't really spend,
Speaker 3: you know, time hanging out with and whatever. So that
Speaker 3: was good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's always a good thing. That's one of the great
Speaker 1: things about it. A lot of great vendors too, man.
Speaker 1: I've been posting little mini podcasts all week. Cause I
Speaker 1: did like a quick five tenor with a bunch of
Speaker 1: vendors and just a lot of cool stuff out there, man.
Speaker 1: It keeps getting cooler every year. You know, the vendors
Speaker 1: really are cool, but yeah, man. So give us the,
Speaker 1: give us the old podcast name one more time. Cause
Speaker 1: I will butcher it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's the, uh, the survival and basic bad-ass podcast.
Speaker 3: And like I said, and we cover everything. We just
Speaker 3: try and, you know, it hit all the big prepping topics.
Speaker 3: We try and keep it like a little more like
Speaker 3: very evergreen where it's, you know, you dig in on
Speaker 3: like information on one thing that you're interested in that week.
Speaker 3: So it, it just kind of relevant. That's what we're
Speaker 3: going for is relevant, right? We want to be a
Speaker 3: useful tool. So hopefully we pull it off. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The evergreen is good. So what Chuck's saying is basically
Speaker 1: the opposite of my show. You can listen to him whenever.
Speaker 1: It's not completely news and personal opinion dominated. So check
Speaker 1: it out, man. Check it out. Now you know who
Speaker 1: he is. I mean, this is the best primer you
Speaker 1: could get for checking the show out. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? He's been to Pepper Camp. You know, we've
Speaker 1: hung out with him and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: So passes the sniff test by a long shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little validation. So we're in.
Speaker 1: All right, my man. Well, I appreciate your time today.
Speaker 1: And best of luck with everything out there in the
Speaker 1: rural North Carolina world.
Speaker 3: All right. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: All right, man. Talk to you soon.
Speaker 3: Bye.