WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:28.879 At a book. 2 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:28.959 If you'd like to be able to listen to the 3 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:31.959 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 4 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.519 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 5 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:42.920 Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Kenny 6 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:47.640 aka Lord Star Fox. Kenny, Welcome to the show. 7 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:52.760 Beck you legend you. I finally am here and get 8 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:56.079 a chance to talk to you. I really wish I 9 00:01:56.120 --> 00:02:00.319 could have before. Unfortunately I was potentially a handcuff in 10 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:03.879 certain regards, and now I am able to sit here 11 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:06.159 and spend some time with you. Brother. I appreciate you. 12 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:09.800 Well, that goes two ways, and gosh, I'm sorry to 13 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:11.599 hear about all the stuff you had to go through 14 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:14.680 back then. That is not good. But at least you're 15 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:16.039 free from all that now. 16 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:19.280 That I am, which is why you and I are 17 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.000 going to dive into some really epic stuff and I 18 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:24.319 am very excited for a lot of new things and 19 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:25.800 new projects I get to work on. 20 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:28.759 Well, we're going to dive deep, that's for sure, and 21 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.680 of course I'm looking forward to it. But before we 22 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:34.120 do get into diving deep into all this, I've got 23 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:36.919 to ask you, where did this whole Lord Starfuks thing 24 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:38.759 come from. 25 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.199 Love the question right there. Long story shore is I 26 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:46.159 have always been super creative since I was eleventeen and 27 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:49.439 I used to be an actor and model. I always 28 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:54.120 found interest in being creative, as mentioned, and I wanted 29 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.000 to come up with a cool handle. It went all 30 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:02.080 over the place. First I started off with Starfucks Starfox Radio, 31 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:04.520 and you know how it goes. I kind of got 32 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:08.360 my swag taken away from me by others that copied 33 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.919 my name, So I really was like, okay, what can 34 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:15.759 I do now to distinguish myself? And when it comes 35 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:19.080 to music, I am all over the place, everything from 36 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:24.400 dark stynthwave to new age metalcore to something like Lord, 37 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:28.280 the singer from New Zealand. I was like, okay, let's 38 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:30.719 put a nice e on the end of Lord here. 39 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:34.439 And being a fan of Foxes, which are my favorite 40 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:38.360 animals in general, I used to play star Fox when 41 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:41.319 I was a kid. Well, it seemed to make sense 42 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:43.479 that hey, that's going to be a hard one for 43 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:47.159 somebody to steal away from me, and boom, there we go. 44 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:49.280 That's how I came across Lord Starfox. 45 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:53.479 That's a rich way to arrive at that nickname. It 46 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:56.240 really is. But now that you broke it down for me, 47 00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:59.000 it all makes sense. It does no. 48 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:02.240 I appreciate you. It's one of those things that creativity 49 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.599 just oozes out of everything I do, which is why 50 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:09.919 I got into acting back in the day, and I 51 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:14.159 was doing everything from helping writing scripts and being in 52 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:16.480 front of the camera, and then I got put behind 53 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.639 the camera because we were a small production company. And 54 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:22.519 then eventually in the future we got eight, nine, ten 55 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:26.360 different cameras and new camera people. But in the beginning, 56 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:28.759 if I wasn't in front of the camera, well they 57 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:30.120 had me behind the camera too. 58 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:36.360 Yeah, you've been busy. You've got a history. TA that's impressive, Kenny. 59 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:39.000 For the people listening, I guess I'm going to put 60 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:40.759 that out there for them. You've never had a dog 61 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:44.839 mean encounter, but you're a dogman investigator who also has 62 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:49.319 a dog mean themed podcast. Please give us your bio 63 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:52.759 on how you got your start in all this. Couple 64 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:55.480 it in there somewhere. Also, please promote the heck out 65 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:59.079 of your Dogmion podcast. Tell us how to listen to it, 66 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:01.279 go the whole nine yards. 67 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.720 Again, very kind words from you, and I appreciate the 68 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:08.920 platform and the opportunity, and yes, I do have a 69 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:12.279 bunch of different podcasts. As we get down the road 70 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:14.920 here a little bit, we'll talk about some of the others. 71 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:19.639 Yet what really got me kicking was Midnight Lacanthropy and 72 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:25.319 I always found a fascinating growing up these crypted encounters 73 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.240 that were occurring. And as you had stated, no, I've 74 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:32.720 never had any sort of paranormal or cryptid based encounters whatsoever. 75 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:36.199 I am just an investigative photo journalist that tries to 76 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:40.240 give people an opportunity to sit down and speak and 77 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:43.519 then try to cure them in the proper direction of 78 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:47.160 individuals that could potentially help them out a lot more 79 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:49.600 than myself. I do have a science team I work 80 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:53.519 with called the Midnight Society Science Team, and from there 81 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:58.120 we have biologists, we have environmentalists, we have master trackers, 82 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:01.959 we have people that work with the psychology aspect of things, 83 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.120 and then from there I'm able to push my guests 84 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:08.680 and friends in a really good direction with individuals that 85 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:13.639 are professional and what they need to speak about. That 86 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:15.759 was my main goal from the get go, is to 87 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:19.600 try to bring in as much science based information as 88 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:22.879 I possibly could. I am not a scientist, I'm a nerd. 89 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:25.720 I love to learn, and science is something I've been 90 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:29.480 fascinated with again since I was a kid. So what 91 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.199 do we do? We just put it all together here 92 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:36.000 now and try to bring in those brilliant minds and 93 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:39.240 make sure that they can help try and clarify things. 94 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:42.480 Like as I mentioned to you, I understand what tracks 95 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:46.000 look like, and I understand how in mud and snow 96 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:50.319 and with moisture, tracks can change a lot. Yet I'm 97 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:53.279 not a master tracker. So just because I can look 98 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:56.920 at something and see, hey, this looks to be canine based, 99 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:59.959 whether it's a coyote or a wolf or somebody's domestic 100 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.759 dog or a bear track, well that's what I got 101 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:06.480 my tracker that I can then send it to and 102 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:09.279 he can be like, no, this is this specific breed 103 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:13.319 of a dog. Then from there I just try to 104 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:17.079 be as analytic based as possible. Like I told you, 105 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:20.279 you know, picture football, you got your coaches making the 106 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:24.079 plays right, Well, they call upstairs to somebody that's nerding 107 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:27.680 out with the analytics. Hey do we go for it here? Well, 108 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:31.000 I'm kind of that nerd analytics guy that just crunches 109 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:34.000 the numbers and tries to just figure out what's going 110 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:39.560 on here. And yes, my main base podcast is Midnight Lecanthropy, 111 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:44.920 where I specialize in missing people, prehistoric and modern day 112 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:50.519 predator behaviorisms, as well as yes unknown canine sightings which 113 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:52.199 classify as the dog man. 114 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.519 Anyone listening who's wondering When Kinney says that he is 115 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.040 really into the analytics, he's not kidding. I mean he 116 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.079 really dives deep when he does research. We're not going 117 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:04.480 to get into it right now, but so that you 118 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:06.920 know in just a bit here he put a lot 119 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:10.160 of research. He dove deep into looking into the alleged 120 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:15.800 LBL murders, and what he found out is pretty jarring. 121 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.319 I'll just put it that way. But like I said, 122 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.720 we'll get into that in just a bit. Before we do, though, 123 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:25.639 how did you wind up investigating dog men the way 124 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.079 you do and to what extent do you investigate them? 125 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:33.399 I love it? My friend. Well, there are some really 126 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.080 great individuals that are actually big fans of yours as well, 127 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:39.600 and that you've been able to interact with that helped 128 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:44.639 me build an awesome platform, which was something I really 129 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:48.559 appreciated because you know, I started off very small and 130 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.480 I still am small, but awesome individuals such as one 131 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:57.480 of my science members, Colleen O'Hara, who runs Pocatello Paranormal Research. 132 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.879 She has been a huge ad kit of supporting what 133 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:05.360 I do and really trying to add her brain and 134 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:09.360 her knowledge into what it is that I'm trying to 135 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:13.320 conquer here, which has massively helped me out. And then 136 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.519 I had other beautiful people like the Cryptid Huntress aka 137 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.600 Jessica Jones that really sat down with me and helped 138 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:23.279 me understand things that were going on and gave me 139 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:27.039 another beautiful platform. And as I mentioned to you before, 140 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:31.279 Shane Michael Crisp with the West Coast dog Man Project 141 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:34.320 who's a huge fan of yours as well. He again 142 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:38.600 gave me a platform and was really a big advocate 143 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:43.360 of picking my brain about topics and wondering my thought 144 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:49.240 process on things, which was super important to me. Then 145 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:53.080 I had others again that love you, like Drew Ski 146 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:57.240 from Cryptid Warfare and doctor Dennis Carroll from Hunting the Shadows. 147 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:01.320 All these people are super brilliant at what they do 148 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:04.120 and they have been doing it a lot longer than 149 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:08.519 I could ever imagine to be doing this topic. And 150 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:11.159 from there, guess what I got to meet people like 151 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:14.039 Mindy who's been on and a great friend of yours 152 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:16.879 and also a huge fan too, and it all just 153 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.759 really fell into place that I was able to take 154 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.720 my nerding aspect about what is going on and really 155 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.279 be able to then piece it all together and talk 156 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.519 to people that have had more experiences than me, that 157 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:34.759 are much smarter than myself, and it really just started 158 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.840 to fall into place that hey, I can use my 159 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:42.399 interest in this topic and then also my friends that 160 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:45.600 I just mentioned and really just put it all together 161 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:50.159 and build something that hasn't really necessarily been built in 162 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.399 this community with the science and also just crushing those 163 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.919 analytics because I have people from all different realms that 164 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:02.879 have helped me understand and things and where this potential 165 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.000 creature could fall into line whether it's paranormal based or 166 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.440 is it physical such as you and I, or is 167 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.879 it an extraterrestrial or could it be something that is 168 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:18.240 completely spiritual that doesn't have to be necessarily paranormal. And 169 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:22.799 now I'm just really trying to find what's happening out there. 170 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:25.960 And the Paul Myra case up in Maine with a 171 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:29.559 Martin family was one of the first cases that I 172 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:32.399 actually got to go and kind of poke around the area. 173 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:35.240 I never did get to speak to the Martin family 174 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:39.240 or was unable to get in contact with any of 175 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.960 the newer owners of the farmstead yet, being from Boston 176 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.519 originally and mains right up around the corner, and I 177 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:48.840 spent a lot of time in Maine. I got a 178 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.799 chance to go up to Madagascar Road, which is near Rangeley, 179 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:55.879 in a huge animal reserve, and there's a ton of 180 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:59.679 nature up there. People don't realize Maine is the most 181 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:02.840 for rested state in the whole United States right there. 182 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:06.320 And I really learned a lot just from interacting with 183 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:09.120 some of the locals up there. And after that, it 184 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:11.039 just all kind of seems to start cruising. Man. 185 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:13.639 Yeah, it's hard to find a better place for a 186 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:17.159 dog man to scratch out a living than Maine Vermont, 187 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:20.159 with all the trees and everything. Yeah, it's perfect for him, 188 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.159 it really is. Well, like I said a bit ago, Kenny, 189 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.440 you researched the LBL the alleged LBO murders, and told 190 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:32.039 me that you made some pretty startling discoveries. Please expand 191 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:32.919 on that for us. 192 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:37.360 Now, yes, of course, Well, most people that are going 193 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:40.399 to be listening to this topic, and if they know 194 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:42.600 who I am, they of course know who you are. 195 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.519 And what's probably the biggest dog man story or encounters 196 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:50.919 in the game. It's got to be the LBL massacre. 197 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:55.000 I mean, everybody seems to have a take on that. 198 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:58.120 You can google it, it comes up everywhere. It's all 199 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:03.080 over YouTube as well. So I started again taking interest 200 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:04.799 into that, and I have a ton of people I 201 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:08.120 work with that are down in that area that have 202 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:14.639 actually had firsthand experience with figuring out, hey, what happened here? 203 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:18.519 And the two biggest cases are as I mentioned, the 204 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:23.600 family that supposedly was attacked and disposed of by this 205 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:28.080 dog man, which involved a husband and wife and also 206 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:35.080 their children, their daughter and also their son. The daughter 207 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:37.919 was younger than the son he was supposed to have 208 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:42.519 been in his teenage years. That is what was number one. 209 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:46.440 And then you have the bow Hunter that well a 210 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.360 little bit later on than This is also something else 211 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.960 that really floats around with the whole LBL. And I 212 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:58.919 again have friends that are former law enforcement that are 213 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:03.240 still current law enforcement, that are scientific based or they're 214 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.399 just researchers that have gone down there and really taken 215 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:11.240 a second to dive into it, and the first part 216 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:15.279 with the massacre, of course, I found it fascinating, just 217 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:19.519 like everybody else did. And the woman that originally presented 218 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:22.960 it was Jan Thompson, and rest in peace. She is 219 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:26.000 no longer with us, which it would be really awesome 220 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:29.159 to have had a chance to sit down and speak 221 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.039 with her. All I can really go off of is 222 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:35.000 the interviews that I have seen her speak in and 223 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:39.039 also some of my own research that I have done, 224 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:42.320 and it just doesn't really seem to add up in 225 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:45.440 a lot of ways, meaning where it kind of all 226 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:49.279 originated was off of a Reddit thread and also four Chan, 227 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.559 and Jan did have a background and being an author, 228 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.200 she did have an interest in writing short based horror 229 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:04.120 stories as previously mentioned. Being a former actor and having 230 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:08.559 experience in the modeling industry, I understand how certain things 231 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:12.320 work and scripts and such, how you really hone in 232 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:16.639 on certain details. And when I started looking through her 233 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:20.720 posts on Reddit and four Chan, the issue is some 234 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:23.840 of the details that she dove into and how she 235 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:27.879 really honed in on those details reminded me a lot 236 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:31.879 about how an author would want to describe something. And 237 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:37.120 then I found out wait, she was an author, and hey, 238 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:41.399 Reddit's an interesting place, so is four Chan. Yet I 239 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:46.399 don't really take too much stock into those platforms. There 240 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:50.440 over time has not really been anything groundbreaking that's come 241 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.360 out of their platforms. It's usually things that are just 242 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.240 people being creative or looking for answers. And then four 243 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:03.960 Chan is almost seemingly a hoax based site. It just 244 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:07.519 really didn't seem to make sense to me that why 245 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:11.480 they originally were posted on those threads. And then from 246 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.720 there it gained steam and she was able to then 247 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:20.000 sit down and do some interviews with other people. Also, 248 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:22.120 as I mentioned to you, I do work with people 249 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:26.399 that specialize in certain aspects like body language and the 250 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.320 way people are presenting themselves in front of the camera, etc. 251 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:35.000 There's just, unfortunately, some are red flags with that that 252 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:39.080 don't really seem to add up in regards of being 253 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:42.960 able to be extensively verified as a real case. 254 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:46.879 It's funny we're talking about this because right around ten 255 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:50.039 years ago or so, I reached out to Jan to 256 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:52.159 try to talk with her, have her come on the 257 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:55.480 show so I could interview her, and yeah, unfortunately she 258 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:57.600 didn't want to have anything to do with me, so 259 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.200 I never did get a chance to go to up 260 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:04.960 with all these details. So yeah, I mean if she 261 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:09.680 did falsify the story, even shame on her. It really 262 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:11.160 is a shame if that's what happened. 263 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:16.000 Yes, very much so. And even for a second, let's 264 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:19.200 say if it was potentially a real thing that did 265 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:23.160 occur in the area where it did happen, you would 266 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:27.240 not just necessarily have had one group of individuals working 267 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:30.519 on the case. Meaning if you look at where I 268 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:32.920 used to live up in Maine, in Gorham, it was 269 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:37.440 a smaller community, so they necessarily would not have been 270 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.400 able to have a large enough task force to deal 271 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:43.599 with something like that. They would be calling in people 272 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:48.720 from Portland, from Westbrook, from Scarborough, all these other communities 273 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:51.400 that are nearby that would come in and deal with this. 274 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:55.319 So to be able to track down anyone that actually 275 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:59.359 really did per se participate in this event would be 276 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:03.160 nearly impossible. And it did happen so long ago now 277 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:06.599 that there would be a high probability that even if 278 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:09.640 someone was there, they're not still going to be around 279 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:11.519 with us to be able to verify any of this. 280 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:16.960 Yeah, that's pretty convenient when it comes to those murderers. 281 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.400 It's really hard to make heads or tails out of 282 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.519 all that. I mean, on one hand, I know, if 283 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:29.319 people who they researched it and people that they knew 284 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:33.839 who didn't know each other, they corroborated each other's stories, 285 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:40.279 they would take this person to the scene of where 286 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:43.200 the first murders supposedly happened with the RV, the family 287 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:45.880 and the RV. This friend over here would take this 288 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:50.759 person to that site, which doesn't look like a campsite anymore, 289 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:55.759 it's been demolished. But this friend of this person, this investigator, 290 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.200 would take that investigator to that site and tell them 291 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:01.240 all the history of that site and how that was 292 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:05.759 supposedly where the incident happened. And then a totally different 293 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:09.599 friend who didn't know that first friend, would take this 294 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:14.839 investigator to the exact same place. I mean that right there, 295 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:18.000 it kind of corroborates that maybe there is some there there. 296 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:20.599 But on the other hand, there are a lot of 297 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.920 things too that make me really wonder if it actually 298 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:26.880 did happen. I don't know, it's just so hard to 299 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:29.799 make heads or tails out of that, but it sounds 300 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:31.720 like you've put a lot of research into it, so 301 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:35.599 that just makes me really wonder. That much more about it. 302 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:38.359 I will tell you this, that guy who came forward, 303 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:41.720 what was his name, who claimed to be underneath the 304 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:43.279 RV when this all went down. 305 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:49.119 Oh boy, talking about good old Roger. I would you know, yeah, 306 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:52.599 necessarily give him that platform. But yes, he would be 307 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:56.279 the individual that came forth to speak about that. And 308 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:01.480 again his story doesn't add up as well, Meaning if 309 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:04.799 these things are an apex predator, how would he have 310 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:09.200 just hidden underneath an RV and not been picked up 311 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:15.559 by this dog man creature afterwards? If this family was 312 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:19.839 Amish based, they most likely would not have been driving 313 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:24.480 this type of glorified RV that had been mentioned. They 314 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:29.880 also most likely would not have had Roger around to 315 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.440 hang out with them either, meaning they seem to be 316 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:37.680 a tight knit community, so that part didn't really add up. 317 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:40.359 And then if they did drive as far as they 318 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.279 were perceived to have driven in this RV, it would 319 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:47.400 have been way too hot upon those axle spots for 320 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:50.519 him to have been able to hold onto that as well. 321 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:53.960 And then let's be real, how convenient is it that 322 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:57.799 supposedly this local farmer just happened to show up as 323 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:02.160 Roger was running around in the darkness and this guy 324 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:05.279 just picks him up to save them from this dog 325 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:07.880 man creature and then brings them back where all these 326 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:10.640 officials come in and talk to him. I don't know. 327 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:12.200 That's a tough one to swallow, you man. 328 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:15.319 Yeah, there is a lot of it that just doesn't 329 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:19.119 pass the sniff test. Full disclosure, I've never listened to 330 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:22.480 Rogers share or his side of the story. All I 331 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:25.759 knew about the whole Roger incident was that he went 332 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:32.559 onto a podcast where he contacted me via email, probably 333 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:36.880 about three years after he went on this particular podcast, 334 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:40.960 and he just from what I understand. Again, I didn't 335 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:43.799 listen to that podcast episode he was featured on, but 336 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:47.720 he lit me up talking about how I'm a liar 337 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:52.880 and how I'm a horrible person I guess and this 338 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.559 and that. Well, he contacted me about three years after 339 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:58.640 going on that podcast to let me know that the 340 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:02.680 guy who was behind that podcast leaned on him to 341 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:05.759 have him say those things about me. Well, I had 342 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:08.839 never spoken with him, never spoke a word with him 343 00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:13.519 ever before that show ever aired. My first exposure to 344 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:16.880 him wasn't until he sent me that email about three 345 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:21.000 years after that podcast episode aired. Where he was talking 346 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:26.160 about he was assassinating my character. So he said he 347 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:28.680 felt bad about doing that, But that right there told 348 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.359 me that, Okay, well, he is a liar. He's definitely 349 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:36.160 capable of lying. He did it once. Who's to say 350 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:37.920 he's not going to do it again. And like you've 351 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:40.640 laid out on the table for us, I mean, there's 352 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:43.480 so many things about his story that just do not 353 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:46.880 add up. So I just can't see how that could 354 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:49.880 have been real, any of the things he claimed. I 355 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:51.880 just can't see how that could have been real. Info 356 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:53.880 about what went down. 357 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:58.400 Reached my friend, and you're just hitting it right on 358 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:02.519 the good old head of the net here. Unfortunately, you know, 359 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:05.799 as you have a large platform, and as you and 360 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:09.799 I had talked about before, people are just always going 361 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:14.519 to try and discredit individuals or tear people down. In 362 00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:18.960 a perfect world, everyone should be happy for people's success. Yeah, 363 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:21.680 it doesn't always work like that. And the same thing 364 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:23.960 with what had happened with me. I would have loved 365 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:27.000 to have been here with you a long time ago. Yeah, 366 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:31.519 I was also steered in the wrong direction. And when 367 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:35.240 people do that, it just is a way to try 368 00:23:35.359 --> 00:23:39.079 and bring clout back their way, but also to try 369 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:42.640 and tear somebody down. And as you stated, when you 370 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:45.559 catch somebody in something that doesn't make a lot of sense, 371 00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:49.319 well that's when we as individuals need to really do 372 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.160 our own due diligence and make sure that we are 373 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:57.440 not being fooled, because, you know how it is in 374 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:02.000 the crypted field a lot of definitely interesting, intriguing aspects, 375 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:06.400 Yet hoaxing is very rampant. I don't know how many 376 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:10.160 times people have tried to submit things to me that 377 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:14.160 weren't their own material, or they thought I was going 378 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:19.480 to be stupid enough to just buy into it. Yet 379 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:23.759 then when I do reverse Google research on certain images, 380 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:27.440 Oh wait a second, this image came from here, Or 381 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:30.319 I have AI programs that I work with that I 382 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:34.200 can run an image through and guess what they're like. Nope, 383 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:38.160 this is an AI based image. Or if you watch 384 00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:42.960 some of the AI based monster aquatic animals out there 385 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:46.079 that are in fish tanks, it looks pretty real except 386 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.359 for the fact, well wait a second, how come the 387 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:50.960 rocks on the bottom of the fish tank don't move 388 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:55.920 when this creature is splashing all around? Well, guess what 389 00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:58.960 it's because it's AI based and then as you watch 390 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:03.039 the video and you really pay attention to details. I 391 00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:07.440 am a perfectionist with my editing and my art, so yes, 392 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:11.680 I understand how certain things work. I will use AI 393 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:16.640 sometimes to help save me on time myself. Yet, if 394 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.799 I create an image in there, and let's say the 395 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:24.079 moon isn't coming down properly on the fur, this wolf 396 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:28.799 creature created will go in and I will morph the 397 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:33.160 moonlight to hit the proper shading aspect that is going on. Yet, 398 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.279 when you look at a lot of these AI videos, 399 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.680 things don't add up. All of a sudden, the fin 400 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:41.400 is in a different spot which you don't really see 401 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:44.559