Speaker 1: Now one one you're putting. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here. Something just kiss my dog. Something killed your dog?
Speaker 1: My dog. We're flying through the or over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, damn, and
Speaker 1: I'm really confused. All I saw is my dog coming
Speaker 1: over the fence, and he was dead once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground. I didn't have see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something prowling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 1: It was staying enough. I'm out here looking through the
Speaker 1: window now and I don't see anything. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go outside. Jesus Christ, you better.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 1: Hit the fuddy out here. What quin I'm out there?
Speaker 1: I thought of a bitch about taking fort nine. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Easy an out there? Yeah, I'm walking right.
Speaker 4: Hey, all right, folks on, welcome my guest to the show.
Speaker 4: It is John from Kansas. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: John, Thank you very much, good to be here.
Speaker 4: I am so glad to have you. It has been
Speaker 4: a long time coming. We got to hang out a
Speaker 4: couple of months ago over in Missouri at the Ozark
Speaker 4: Mountain Bigfoot Conference camp out. I see it so many times.
Speaker 4: It's always great to have people on that I've actually
Speaker 4: sat and talked to in person. That's a rarity these
Speaker 4: days because most of this stuff happens over the internet.
Speaker 4: I get emails or we connect in Facebook groups. But
Speaker 4: I actually got to sit down and talk to you personally.
Speaker 4: You were at the conference, you were at the camp out.
Speaker 4: So it has been a long time coming, and I've
Speaker 4: been excited to have this conversation. I want to start
Speaker 4: in the same place that I start with everybody I
Speaker 4: have on the show, What in the world got you
Speaker 4: interested in the subject of bigfoot Sasquatch?
Speaker 2: To begin with? What got me into He's Like many others,
Speaker 2: it goes back to the Patterson Gimmlin film. In nineteen seventy,
Speaker 2: I graduated from grade school in the Junior High and
Speaker 2: the Junior High library was much better stocked with interesting books.
Speaker 2: So that was my first time to get into cryptis.
Speaker 2: I could have even knew what cryptids were at that time.
Speaker 2: I followed the regular stuff Locked mass a bominable snowman
Speaker 2: in the Northwest Bigfoot. I read everything I could right
Speaker 2: reports on it when I could. Then I ran into
Speaker 2: a YouTuber called Utah Sasquad Made Them Real and was
Speaker 2: watching his and many other content providers for the Bigfoot subject.
Speaker 2: I liked him, he was approachable and I learned it
Speaker 2: from him. I'm sure it was a widespread idea that
Speaker 2: you have in your area habitat, food supply and water,
Speaker 2: that you need to be looking around, that there's a
Speaker 2: pair chance that to get squot. That was my big
Speaker 2: aha moment game on. I started looking and started finding straff.
Speaker 4: It happens differently for different people when you get into
Speaker 4: the subject. It took me years to actually get out
Speaker 4: and start looking for these things, but it sounded like
Speaker 4: that happened pretty quickly for you when you got out
Speaker 4: and started looking for sign you started looking for these creatures.
Speaker 4: How long did it take before you had what you
Speaker 4: believed to be an encounter or an experience with one
Speaker 4: of these creatures?
Speaker 2: A day? And that sounds like I'm super LUCKI or
Speaker 2: I bragged a lot and make things up, and I
Speaker 2: tell but I started talking around the neighborhood and a
Speaker 2: neighbor he said he had evidence of tree breaks, tree hangs.
Speaker 2: So my brother and I went over and planned and
Speaker 2: sure enough it hit what I had been seeing on
Speaker 2: the YouTube video. So that was my first boots on
Speaker 2: the ground. And it was a swampy area, a wetnans area,
Speaker 2: so the ground by nature is more like a softer
Speaker 2: play really good for tracks. Other than there's a ton
Speaker 2: of cattails, so a lot of ground debris that would
Speaker 2: hide all tracks. But I figured anything that was eight
Speaker 2: hundred pounds or so walking around and relatively daped soil
Speaker 2: has to leave a tree. So I looked and I looked,
Speaker 2: and I found a big toe in soft dirt. I
Speaker 2: could not believe it. The only animal heavy enough to
Speaker 2: leave this and then it probably went down maybe three
Speaker 2: quarter inch, smaller than a maybe a fifty cent piece.
Speaker 2: Pretty darn deery, but just the gorgeous big cow. And
Speaker 2: then there was compressions that would indicate where the four
Speaker 2: toes were, and I took measurements, studied those, and I
Speaker 2: determined that it was a fourteen by six inch track, but
Speaker 2: only the big toe was on the soil that was undeniable.
Speaker 2: Only other animal in this area that would have to
Speaker 2: wait to do that would be a deer. We're reported
Speaker 2: to have some pig in the area, so colnd hoof,
Speaker 2: so you'd have sharpening gents for that, and we have
Speaker 2: no animal that could have left there, so I was
Speaker 2: totally unprepared. I've been casting animal tracks since I was
Speaker 2: a pre tooled living on a farm, so I wasn't prepared.
Speaker 2: And by the time I got back spring rains came
Speaker 2: in and it was under six inches of water, but
Speaker 2: seedar was planned. So then I started looking around in
Speaker 2: the area more and this real guy said, steady your
Speaker 2: thupple nat, see where the water is, see where the
Speaker 2: habitat is. I went from there and crowned on different
Speaker 2: occasions tracks over the next year. And then life always
Speaker 2: gets in the way, and I hadn't been out as
Speaker 2: much in the field, but that was about to take
Speaker 2: me started. I'm not going backwards now. After seeing that print,
Speaker 2: that is made my day. I smiled for a month
Speaker 2: after that. I'm a track guy. I'm not a tracker.
Speaker 2: That's a whole different skill set. But I love the
Speaker 2: animal tracks. I have the whole pass collection of dogs
Speaker 2: and pats and possumuam coon and squirrel and bob care
Speaker 2: and buffalo, and I don't have my mountain lion yet,
Speaker 2: still looking for that. I love tracks, so I'm the trail.
Speaker 4: Now I can definitely relate because one of the best
Speaker 4: I can't see. The best I did get to cast
Speaker 4: the best print that I think I will ever see,
Speaker 4: frankly on our property gosh, three years ago or so,
Speaker 4: sixty five yards away from the property, but one of
Speaker 4: the other best tracks that I've ever come across. I
Speaker 4: initially told myself it was Paradolia. I thought it was
Speaker 4: just a Paradolia footprint that I was looking at in
Speaker 4: the standing water, and of course it had been raining
Speaker 4: the day before. It was in a low lying area.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a creek, but it was in a low
Speaker 4: lying area where there was standing water. I crossed over
Speaker 4: this track, I stopped because it immediately looked like a footprint.
Speaker 4: And the closer I looked, and the more I inspected it,
Speaker 4: the more it looks like what I would consider to
Speaker 4: be the quintessential example of a sasquatch print. So I
Speaker 4: snapped a couple of photos. I continued on the hike
Speaker 4: because I wasn't doing anything bigfoot related that day. We
Speaker 4: were on a hike, just enjoying nature, enjoying a different
Speaker 4: piece of our property that we hadn't hiked before. And
Speaker 4: then fast forward a couple of years later, I showed
Speaker 4: this photo of this print to Cliff Barrickman. I'm sitting
Speaker 4: having dinner with Cliff because I was out speaking at
Speaker 4: a conference with him and doctor Jeff Meldrum and Michael Freeman,
Speaker 4: and I show Cliff this photo and I'm like, look
Speaker 4: at this Paradola footprint. Isn't this cool? And Cliff's, dude,
Speaker 4: did you cast this? And I said no. It was
Speaker 4: in standing water, which I've never casted in before. It
Speaker 4: had rained the day before, it was raining the next
Speaker 4: three days after I found it. I thought it was
Speaker 4: paradoley and Cliff was like, no, dude, that's clearly a
Speaker 4: Sasquatch footprint, one of the better ones I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: You should have cast it. And I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: of course one of the best. At that time, that
Speaker 4: was the best one that I had seen. I'd cast
Speaker 4: it other prints that turned out to be crap, which
Speaker 4: most of them honestly are if they're legitimate in my opinion.
Speaker 4: And I learned that from Cliff, and I learned that
Speaker 4: from people like doctor Meldrum over the years. Cast everything
Speaker 4: you come across, and it would have been a great
Speaker 4: time for me to learn how to cast and take
Speaker 4: the water out, but live and learn. So I totally
Speaker 4: get it. But it does one of the two things
Speaker 4: for most people. Some people find those things and it
Speaker 4: makes them go in the complete opposite direction. They're like,
Speaker 4: I don't want any part of this. That's scary to me.
Speaker 4: That is a huge animal that's not supposed to exist
Speaker 4: that I am looking at the remnants from. So that
Speaker 4: puts people way closer in a lot of cases than
Speaker 4: they want to be. Obviously, it wasn't the case for you,
Speaker 4: and hasn't continued to be the case. It clearly pushed
Speaker 4: you in the opposite direction to go and look further
Speaker 4: for these things. So let's talk about the encounter that
Speaker 4: you and I discussed at the camp out. Unlike most people,
Speaker 4: I don't hear a lot about the encounters people have
Speaker 4: before they come on the show. But you and I
Speaker 4: had a conversation about this, So I want to now
Speaker 4: share that with the rest of the people listening to us. Now,
Speaker 4: let's set it up for them. Let's tell everybody where
Speaker 4: you were, what you were doing, and what happened during
Speaker 4: your encounter with one of these creatures.
Speaker 2: That was a DFROL expedition Oklahoma, Northeast Park. Well due
Speaker 2: to the nondisclosure a dream and I can't get into
Speaker 2: a lot of detail on that. The if you know
Speaker 2: that east side, it's just heavy Ozark country or per
Speaker 2: the in Sasquat record and you can visualize the country.
Speaker 2: They always start with the you sign in Thursday afternoon
Speaker 2: and usually go around at night for night maneuvers. Thursday night,
Speaker 2: which we didn't see your hair much, but we accept
Speaker 2: the tone for the week. So the next day we
Speaker 2: in the app from there and just drive around and
Speaker 2: scout the alien for possible places to go. At nine,
Speaker 2: so I'm in a car with four others. The driver
Speaker 2: is a bfro Field investigator and it's his daughter and
Speaker 2: future son in law. Then in another fast walked on
Speaker 2: that for the first time, and this other guy was
Speaker 2: a lot more experienced than me too. So we're driving
Speaker 2: around and this guy calls out to stop. Now for context,
Speaker 2: these are country roads or county roads, so we're not
Speaker 2: full little dried, and we're just driving around the trunty side.
Speaker 2: It's mixed timber and some pasture. That's what you went
Speaker 2: invision in the National forests. It's pretty good. It's ability,
Speaker 2: not really dense wood, not really big caliper trees. So
Speaker 2: we're going around and by golly, he sees a tree structure.
Speaker 2: So we stopped. All the doors fly open and we
Speaker 2: jeff the fence that was mostly down anyway and locked
Speaker 2: over it and studied this tree structure. I've seen them
Speaker 2: in my pome research are in two a lot. So
Speaker 2: you look and see where the trees came from. Well
Speaker 2: it's only like seven detalls, so it's not a huge one,
Speaker 2: not huge tree es, but to still look around for
Speaker 2: root balls where they come from. And it all passed
Speaker 2: the sniff test. There's no chainsaw marks or cross beretsaw marks.
Speaker 2: They were just broken off and stack that And in
Speaker 2: training park was it was driving on a game trail.
Speaker 2: So the other four decided we need to check out
Speaker 2: the game trail for ampossible other evidence. And I figure
Speaker 2: five sets of eyes isn't in better than four sets
Speaker 2: of eyes, So I stayed at the tree. Plus, I
Speaker 2: just love staring at a tree structures. It just makes
Speaker 2: me smile just to see how things are interlaced and
Speaker 2: building the logical pace that mother nature didn't do this
Speaker 2: as something else. So I'm there being quiet. To my right,
Speaker 2: I know there's a farm house because of her door
Speaker 2: shut and a vehicle sound, but I can't see it.
Speaker 2: It's out of sight. So these four start going straight
Speaker 2: ahead to me. I'm spending him on the game trail.
Speaker 2: They're following the game trail out and to my right,
Speaker 2: Eve here annoying. I grew up on an eighty acre farm.
Speaker 2: We always had a year out for people trespassing on
Speaker 2: our lands, and my dad would always go out. He
Speaker 2: never had an ugly confrontation that he does come out,
Speaker 2: But what the heck you doing? I didn't know if
Speaker 2: this is pride of the land or not. I still
Speaker 2: don't know it's private land. So I figure I can
Speaker 2: intercende so this guy doesn't jump. Are full of people
Speaker 2: and in a hurry things get really heated. Try to
Speaker 2: refuse him. So I'm looking for the sound, looking for
Speaker 2: the farmer. Don't see him, don't see him. And then
Speaker 2: the farmer crops up between some trees and he is
Speaker 2: pulling walking alongside his paralleling his flanking the four as
Speaker 2: they're walking straight and moving slow, just like I'm the
Speaker 2: deer hunter, Just like i'd stalk the deer. If I
Speaker 2: know I'm close, you freeze from the waist up and
Speaker 2: just slowly go along. You don't want to throw your position,
Speaker 2: do the movement. But if his dress head, the coat
Speaker 2: and something, I don't see why a bomber would be
Speaker 2: dressed like that. So he goes on a little further
Speaker 2: and gets behind some trees. I don't sam It comes
Speaker 2: out in the open of the ear. This time it's
Speaker 2: in sunshine, so I can see it's a reddish brown
Speaker 2: for three inches four inches long. Not a real stocky
Speaker 2: dell will I go professional basketball player. I can't see
Speaker 2: any face detail. It looks like it's a character from
Speaker 2: the sitcom Adam's Family or the Monsters. I can't remember
Speaker 2: which one. That the little it that comes up and
Speaker 2: it is and then walks around, it's just a big
Speaker 2: moplug's That's what this reminded me. Now, it didn't levitate,
Speaker 2: it didn't do any of the spoopy stuff or paranormal stuff.
Speaker 2: It loft just I would be walking the parallel to
Speaker 2: these guys to see what's going on. So I'm still
Speaker 2: trying to figure out why is that farmer wearing this
Speaker 2: long bully suit? Of nice to notice here. The mind
Speaker 2: does weird things to try to justify things. I thought,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a horse walking on hind legs. No horse
Speaker 2: on hind legs, it's going to be a lot tall leggedness.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a sheep of goat or something I didn't
Speaker 2: mix out. So I'm still trying to struggle with it,
Speaker 2: and the other four are coming back now. That whole
Speaker 2: lapsed time from noise to where it finally disappears, it's
Speaker 2: only like thirty seconds, but I had a fair look
Speaker 2: at it. It was walking side profile so before come
Speaker 2: back and I said, did you guys hear seeing you
Speaker 2: at whatever it was stalking you? And they didn't hear
Speaker 2: or see anything. It was all news to them.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We're right
Speaker 5: back after these messages.
Speaker 2: So the guy that's the DFRORO investigator started asking the
Speaker 2: logical questions and offer me through it. He said, why
Speaker 2: don't you walk me out to where you saw it
Speaker 2: so we can get a size of comparison. So I did,
Speaker 2: maybe one hundred feet away from him. Oh it was
Speaker 2: pretty close. And this guy is a sasquatch himself. He's
Speaker 2: six' four was a big. GUY i figured WHAT i
Speaker 2: saw was about the hands with higher so just under seventee,
Speaker 2: toll LIKE i, say not real. Balty and SINCE i
Speaker 2: was watching the side profile of, IT i don't know
Speaker 2: how rob the shoulders. Were he, Said, john sounds three
Speaker 2: like you heard the first pass a daytime, Sighting AND i, thought,
Speaker 2: wow that just threw. Me i've known they're. THERE i
Speaker 2: found their tracks on five different occasions back here at,
Speaker 2: home SO i knew they were. There it wasn't the
Speaker 2: revelation of. That that just the revelation of the same.
Speaker 2: One it's still, hey it's just make me a little
Speaker 2: all over there to replay. That in my, mind it
Speaker 2: would have been different if you would have stared at
Speaker 2: me or done a bluck charge or calls or. Anything
Speaker 2: it was an easy on me first. Experience maybe the
Speaker 2: future vaught so. SMOOTH i don't know if he ever saw.
Speaker 2: ME i was. Still But i've heard somebody speculate that
Speaker 2: they can follow one object or one, group but they're
Speaker 2: not good in. Multitasking if there's a separate person or,
Speaker 2: group they can't look at it all and. Study that's not,
Speaker 2: evidence that's just.
Speaker 4: SPECULATION i definitely understand where you're coming. From is that
Speaker 4: the only experience that you've had with these things that
Speaker 4: you think you can equate to sasquatch or was there
Speaker 4: other experiences that you had after that sighting for that?
Speaker 2: Trip that was the only. Word i've had other, endowners not.
Speaker 2: Visual this is my only casual. One BUT i LIKE sava,
Speaker 2: recordings SO i set out a recorder at, night And
Speaker 2: i've had really interesting sounds of that and been down
Speaker 2: To land between The. LAKES i don't go boker, crazy
Speaker 2: like really serious sasquaters gear AND i FOUND lbl because
Speaker 2: my parents we grew up all. Camping all my siblings
Speaker 2: still camp and their kids from the most part still camp.
Speaker 2: Well Late luck AND i camp down there a couple
Speaker 2: of times BEFORE i heard all the stories of what's IN.
Speaker 2: Ldl so after she passed three and a half years,
Speaker 2: AGO i still go down there my dog AND i
Speaker 2: AND i set the night recorders AND i found A
Speaker 2: the first couple of, YEARS i set the recorder up
Speaker 2: too close to, camp AND i get too much background,
Speaker 2: noise car, traffic AND i THOUGHT i need to spend
Speaker 2: more time and find an isolated. Spot SO i found
Speaker 2: a cemetery a half mile on really remo. Roads it
Speaker 2: had a little turnaround area SO i could get off
Speaker 2: the road to set up my. Quarter So i've set
Speaker 2: it out there for a few years. Now last, fall
Speaker 2: WHEN i pulled in treen o'clock at, night all, DARK
Speaker 2: i was seeing flashing lights in the tombstones in the. Graveyard,
Speaker 2: no this might not be the night to set. Out
Speaker 2: so As i'm turning, AROUND i give a palm slap
Speaker 2: on the side of my truck and there's nothing. There
Speaker 2: SO i Decide i'm going. Home i'll come back. Tomorrow
Speaker 2: SO i came back the next day in, daylight AND
Speaker 2: i debunked the flashing. Lights some of the tombstones were
Speaker 2: modern polish, granted so WHEN i drove around the, circle
Speaker 2: the headlights to cross them and it would flash back at.
Speaker 3: Me that was the.
Speaker 2: Bunks so that made me feel a lot. Better and
Speaker 2: THEN i stopped that WHERE i got the palm, slack
Speaker 2: AND i say it was a palm. SLAP i don't,
Speaker 2: know BUT i do. Know after, THERE i slapped the
Speaker 2: side of the truck and it duplicated the sound exactly
Speaker 2: in intensity and fidge and sustain and. Everything it was the,
Speaker 2: sound and there was nothing. There there were trees there
Speaker 2: that anything could have did. Behind Now i'll put on
Speaker 2: the speculation. HAT i could see you young in there
Speaker 2: wanting to use some. Campoolery and here's this truck driving
Speaker 2: really slow around the circle when not running out and
Speaker 2: slap it and see what he. Does BUT i don't
Speaker 2: know that. NIGHT i said it again in thirty minutes
Speaker 2: AFTER i set it. Out you can hear that my truck.
Speaker 2: LEAVING i get two really loud tree, knocks just, unmistakable
Speaker 2: And i've gotten a tree knox Cor i've only had
Speaker 2: one vocalization on, record and it was so faint that
Speaker 2: on obacity it didn't even. Spike the vocals didn't even
Speaker 2: spike above transient, noise but you could hear it in wild.
Speaker 2: Columns nothing to prove, anything but it reminds me of
Speaker 2: nighttime fishing crew. Caps you throw your good bait out
Speaker 2: there your, way you're probably gonna get, stung or maybe,
Speaker 2: not or you might cretch a. Walker you just don't.
Speaker 2: Know and WHEN i reviewed the audio and then those
Speaker 2: sounds come, through it's the greatest. Feeling won't proof, squat
Speaker 2: but something's.
Speaker 4: THERE i used to fish a lot for. Catfish SO
Speaker 4: i know exactly what you're talking. About let's go back
Speaker 4: to your siding when you saw this thing in the
Speaker 4: middle of the. Day i'm curious if you guys were
Speaker 4: able to make contact and speak to the people at
Speaker 4: the farmhouse that you were hearing to talk to them
Speaker 4: to see if they had any kind of, experience is
Speaker 4: whether they had heard or seen anything in or around
Speaker 4: their property.
Speaker 2: That didn't go too. Far it looks like it's a
Speaker 2: grandma that lives. There there's no mention of the. Grandpa
Speaker 2: and the grandma heard us out, there so she sent her,
Speaker 2: grandson who is a twenty yearsh young man in his
Speaker 2: muscle pickup, truck came out to the end of his
Speaker 2: driveway and just looked at us for quite a, while
Speaker 2: and then he drove down to. Us Mary, ann the
Speaker 2: organizer of this, expedition talked to, him so we couldn't
Speaker 2: hear the whole. Conversation he was, irritated and his grandma
Speaker 2: sent him out to run us off the lamp And
Speaker 2: Mary anne told her that one of our people here
Speaker 2: think she saw us as. Spot, oh, now no such.
Speaker 2: Thing they're not around. Here so, no not very. Cooperative
Speaker 2: but the habitat is right for, it and WHEN i got,
Speaker 2: Home i'm A gps, team SO i got MY gps
Speaker 2: point for. It WHEN i got, HOME i put it
Speaker 2: on my garment online map started looking at topology of
Speaker 2: what's around, there and this. Thing it was just a
Speaker 2: stone's throw from the Feeder creek THAT i hadn't seen
Speaker 2: before on the other side of the, road and that
Speaker 2: feeder creek goes down through the water feature where our
Speaker 2: base camp was. At there's been multiple sightings in that,
Speaker 2: area so it's all. Plausible it's not like it's a
Speaker 2: one off. Thing there's also just within a half. MILE
Speaker 2: i can't say, details but there's another food source that
Speaker 2: would attract us asquatch to come up that, creek to be,
Speaker 2: there or have a family group, there or have better
Speaker 2: than average food options in the. Area it just makes.
Speaker 4: SENSE i want to talk a little bit about the
Speaker 4: environment just before you had the. Encounter was there a
Speaker 4: shift that some people talk about that they can feel
Speaker 4: before four they have an encounter where they actually see
Speaker 4: one of these. Creatures did that happen for? You was
Speaker 4: there any kind of a shift or anything that may
Speaker 4: have tipped the hand that you were having this encounter
Speaker 4: or did you just feel like everything was normal and
Speaker 4: you were looking at a farmer that was coming from
Speaker 4: the house.
Speaker 2: My, mind so it was a farmer the whole. Time
Speaker 2: that light bulb didn't come on until the investigator finally
Speaker 2: concluded that you saw on Sasquatch. John so, NO i
Speaker 2: haven't felt, that even though the night before and that
Speaker 2: night from. It this was all upstream from a, farmhouse
Speaker 2: an abandoned farmhouse that was. Reallyoot now we don't have
Speaker 2: any thermal images to say that it was. Squatchy we
Speaker 2: didn't hear any calls to say it was, squatchy but
Speaker 2: the ambiance was. There you'd hear little, noises things shifting
Speaker 2: around in the. Night there are some bedding down areas
Speaker 2: and the abandoned structures that could have been any, raccoons
Speaker 2: possums with street but still the overall ambulance was everybody
Speaker 2: was on, there Including. Levi that name comes up in our.
Speaker 2: Vfrost he comes to us from THE ufo side of
Speaker 2: light and he was going nuts all with the vibes
Speaker 2: and what his meters were telling it in that. Area but,
Speaker 2: yeah WHEN i saw it was all calm that he's
Speaker 2: just daylight and no.
Speaker 4: Trauma everybody should be familiar With. Levi we've done a
Speaker 4: two part series With levi here on the. Show he came,
Speaker 4: on talked about a lot of his sasquatch, experiences and
Speaker 4: then we got into some of THE ufo. Stuff so
Speaker 4: you guys can go back and listen to some of
Speaker 4: those episodes where we've Had levi on the show in the.
Speaker 4: Past here's an interesting. QUESTION i don't. Know it doesn't
Speaker 4: seem like it happened during that daytime, sighting but this
Speaker 4: is a question that comes up. Often it's a couple
Speaker 4: of things. Here people often describe this sixth sense that
Speaker 4: they have a feeling like they're being watched or they're
Speaker 4: aware of a presence before they actually saw. Anything, again
Speaker 4: it doesn't sound like it happened during that daytime, encounter
Speaker 4: but have you had that experience at? All and here's
Speaker 4: the other thing that typically goes along with that is
Speaker 4: there seems to be this animal reaction in the area
Speaker 4: when these things are, around, birds, insects other wildlife seems
Speaker 4: to completely go. Silent, again it may not have happened
Speaker 4: during that particular, experience but have you had those kind
Speaker 4: of experiences in the past where you felt like you
Speaker 4: were having in this moment where you were being watched
Speaker 4: or there was a presence around, you and or have
Speaker 4: you had the experience where everything seems to go silent
Speaker 4: in the area and you get this ominous feeling of
Speaker 4: something's in the area besides another. Person, yeah AND i.
Speaker 2: Don't know what to think about that. SILENCE i know
Speaker 2: it's quoted a lot out there That davis pretty, quiet
Speaker 2: but there's so many times i'm out When i'm, searching
Speaker 2: it hits that, quiet thinking does that mean there's something out?
Speaker 2: There But i'm getting no other Vi SO i downplayed
Speaker 2: a silent your natural sirent. THING i think another. Nature
Speaker 2: that's just how some areas go with the critters that
Speaker 2: are there at that. TIME i have had the eerie,
Speaker 2: feeling but not BECAUSE i think they're, there that Because
Speaker 2: i'm viewing something that really can't be explained any other
Speaker 2: way other than sat. SQUAD i found it like a kill.
Speaker 2: BOX i don't know what it, was but a big,
Speaker 2: tree maybe a couple foot, caliber and it was suspended
Speaker 2: about three and a half feet above the ground between two,
Speaker 2: trees so it had to blood defense, line so it
Speaker 2: was on the lower side and on one side was
Speaker 2: a drop off to a crick so that was an affected,
Speaker 2: barrier so if an animal was coming over the, hill
Speaker 2: he couldn't.
Speaker 3: Go.
Speaker 2: Left to the right was a lot of, trees so
Speaker 2: it was easier walking on this. Path we'd go down
Speaker 2: and at the bottom where that tree hang was two
Speaker 2: cottonwood trees where anything could have. Hid so the only
Speaker 2: way out of that area it would be the walk
Speaker 2: right by those cottonwood. Trees and WHEN i spit there
Speaker 2: and realize again no, proof it just could be active,
Speaker 2: imagination but it sure looks like a functional hunting trap to.
Speaker 2: Me and another TIME i saw a tree hang or
Speaker 2: probably a foot and a half guy in their fifteen
Speaker 2: two tree section hung up in trees like fifteen feet
Speaker 2: above the ground between three, trees AND i just stare at.
Speaker 2: THEM i live In Tornado, alley that there's no other
Speaker 2: damage in the area from. TORNADOES i just feel that
Speaker 2: they couldn't be present, there maybe not in that moment
Speaker 2: that this is their turf And i'm walking through. It
Speaker 2: but NOW i haven't felt that emotional buzz now the
Speaker 2: mind in the dark when you're by yourself in my.
Speaker 2: Area i've been down there once just to see IF
Speaker 2: i could do, it or about MIDNIGHT i went. OUT
Speaker 2: i just wanted to set and. LISTEN i THINK i
Speaker 2: gifted something to which that whole concept is learning the mold.
Speaker 2: MAN i stayed there for a half hour THAT i
Speaker 2: had to do that could easily just be freshman. Night
Speaker 2: and it's one thing to go out with the group
Speaker 2: at THESE vfr. ROUTINGS i feel impervious standing bone as a,
Speaker 2: group but when it's just you and nobody knows you're out,
Speaker 2: there these things are. There and this was off, road
Speaker 2: so it could have been in their living.
Speaker 4: ROOM i can definitely. Relate i've shared my experiences here
Speaker 4: on the. Property the first thing we had that we
Speaker 4: experienced was, vocalizations And i've talked about. It i'm not
Speaker 4: going to get into the weeds on, it but we
Speaker 4: heard them from a mile, away or at least that's
Speaker 4: WHAT i was thinking was. Happening it appeared to be
Speaker 4: a mile of play us. Away and THEN i heard
Speaker 4: it from forty or fifty yards from our house in
Speaker 4: the woods. Here and the first thing people, said did
Speaker 4: you go out and check it? Out And i'm like.
Speaker 4: NO i literally stopped doing night hikes on the property after.
Speaker 4: That encounter three plus years, ago and people are, like
Speaker 4: you're looking for. Bigfoot, yeah But i'm also. SMART i
Speaker 4: have AN iq above. EIGHTY i am not going in
Speaker 4: the woods close to something that was clearly as large
Speaker 4: as whatever this was that made that. Vocalization SO i
Speaker 4: think sometimes it's better to be smart about the situation
Speaker 4: than to go running. In AND i, too like you
Speaker 4: used to go out in the woods and do night,
Speaker 4: hikes AND i would sit down in areas on the,
Speaker 4: property pretty deep in the woods and listen to the.
Speaker 4: Nightlife you sit there for twenty thirty minutes and. LISTEN
Speaker 4: i don't do that. Anymore SO i totally get. It
Speaker 4: and for people who think they would do, THAT i
Speaker 4: challenge you right, now if you can go into a
Speaker 4: secluded area And i'm not talkingalking about a city, Park
Speaker 4: i'm talking in a secluded area in the woods by,
Speaker 4: yourself in the middle of the night and sit there
Speaker 4: for thirty minutes. ALONE i think you're going to see
Speaker 4: What john AND i are talking about here and what
Speaker 4: it feels like to do, that because, HONESTLY i think
Speaker 4: very few people ever experience. That i'll just leave it.
Speaker 5: At that and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to
Speaker 5: See we'll be right back after these. Messages it is
Speaker 5: one thing to go out with a couple of people
Speaker 5: or somebody. Else one other person is completely different than
Speaker 5: being totally isolated in an area where these creatures could
Speaker 5: be very close. By SO i challenge, anybody if you
Speaker 5: think that you can do, better or you think you're
Speaker 5: braver than the average, beyer go find a secluded spot
Speaker 5: in the middle of the woods and sit there for
Speaker 5: thirty minutes by yourself and listen to the nightlife and
Speaker 5: see how you feel about it after you do.
Speaker 2: That rpert production to that, WAS i don't do so
Speaker 2: much backpacking. Anymore i'm just getting old That i've done
Speaker 2: some solo backpacking in watertoon mountains in Northwest, arkansas AND
Speaker 2: i was just starting my big foot looking around at that,
Speaker 2: time BUT i was not looking for evidence at that.
Speaker 2: TIME i remember my first time out by myself so
Speaker 2: far away from. HOME i was. COCKY i THOUGHT i
Speaker 2: can do, This i've got the skill, set blah blah.
Speaker 2: Blah but when that sun goes, down and like you,
Speaker 2: say you're in the middle of, nowhere there's nobody to
Speaker 2: call for, hell that little child that all of us
Speaker 2: have still in us wakens, up what was that? Noise
Speaker 2: what's that? NOISE i got over that a. Lot, however
Speaker 2: that next TIME i did a, SOLO i had something
Speaker 2: come up and sniff my tent right by my. Head good.
Speaker 2: NIGHT i was just close to nodding. Off i'm in
Speaker 2: that stage where you're. Paralyzed you can't, move but your
Speaker 2: ears are still. Working in the long book by The Trails,
Speaker 2: shelter it said that they then frequent at midnight by
Speaker 2: a black bear that comes. Around so could have been,
Speaker 2: That or it's a sasquatchy, area so it could have been.
Speaker 2: That you grow from those experiences and you find the
Speaker 2: woods knock going to kill, you even though you can
Speaker 2: account for everything that happens out.
Speaker 4: MORE i know where you were before your. Encounter you
Speaker 4: talked about finding foot, Branch you found tree, structures tree,
Speaker 4: breaks tree, hangs those kind of. Things SO i know
Speaker 4: where you were before that encounter where you actually got
Speaker 4: to see one of these. Things but did that encounter
Speaker 4: where you actually saw this creature and once you processed
Speaker 4: that and, said, YEAH i THINK i had an encounter
Speaker 4: WHERE i saw a, sasquatch did that change the way
Speaker 4: that you felt before your, encounter or how did you
Speaker 4: reconcile or did you have to reconcile those old beliefs
Speaker 4: versus what you believed after you actually laid eyes on
Speaker 4: one of these.
Speaker 2: Creatures there was no in concept of HOW i think About,
Speaker 2: sasquat but it did make me think of the, sudd
Speaker 2: the a lout more. Stereos it spurred me. ON i
Speaker 2: want to expand my sound recordings efforts up here In.
Speaker 2: KARNSAS i want to pursue it some. More and there's no,
Speaker 2: reason since it's just me and my dog, now WHY
Speaker 2: i can't go on more outings and. Explore so it's
Speaker 2: encouraged me to up my.
Speaker 4: GAME i think he alluded to this, earlier BUT i
Speaker 4: want to just make sure we get it on the.
Speaker 4: Record do you think this thing that you saw was
Speaker 4: aware of? You do you think it was curious and
Speaker 4: different or was it trying to communicate to you in
Speaker 4: some way by showing? Itself because there are PEOPLE i
Speaker 4: don't necessarily ascribe to this, personally But i've been in
Speaker 4: situations where WHEN i had my encounters last, Summer Ryan,
Speaker 4: rpggombskie who was at the, conference you got to Meet.
Speaker 4: Ryan ryan felt very strongly about the group of people
Speaker 4: that were together, there that was gathered in that particular,
Speaker 4: moment and he feels very strongly that we probably would
Speaker 4: not have had the experience that we had that night
Speaker 4: had it not been with those. PEOPLE i think that
Speaker 4: GOES i dare to say it pushes towards the high
Speaker 4: strangeness or the woo part of the subject for me
Speaker 4: to think that. Way But i'm. Curious do you think
Speaker 4: that is something that is possible with these, creatures that
Speaker 4: it was showing itself to you for a specific, reason
Speaker 4: or do you think it was just going about its
Speaker 4: daily whatever it was, doing and it may not have
Speaker 4: even been aware that you were watching.
Speaker 2: It, Yeah i've heard that line that saw AND i
Speaker 2: wondered if he could have just been nice to? Me
Speaker 2: By Lettonny, sam we never need any sideways glance to
Speaker 2: me at. All even if they are king of the,
Speaker 2: forest there's still an animal with limited abilities of processing
Speaker 2: stimuli out. THERE i think play was full with those
Speaker 2: four people walking On le's. Curve we just don't. Know
Speaker 2: i'll go where the evidence shows. Me on that level of,
Speaker 2: strangeness there's more. Too i'm just question, blood But i'm
Speaker 2: not actively looking at the blue factor that when it presents,
Speaker 2: Itself i'm going to process of MENLINE i heard an
Speaker 2: example of was Either guts Or. Niese a sad story
Speaker 2: coming in and they thought they were landing on a
Speaker 2: frozen lake and it ended up being a Frozen walmart parking.
Speaker 2: Lot really, sad and they came in AND i don't
Speaker 2: know how many, died but it was a whole flock
Speaker 2: coming there and they got killed coming in on. Asphalt
Speaker 2: so you think the native world is properly dowt, there
Speaker 2: but mistakes happened when there just creatures with the brain
Speaker 2: that can't process. Everything very.
Speaker 4: True this is something that's very personal to, me AND
Speaker 4: i want to ask you this the place of your first,
Speaker 4: sighting have you felt drawn or pulled back to that?
Speaker 4: Area have you wanted to go back for a myriad of.
Speaker 4: Reasons it could be just because you felt pulled back
Speaker 4: to that, area or do you think it's a possibility
Speaker 4: that you could have another encounter in the area where
Speaker 4: you had this encounter and you got to see this.
Speaker 4: Thing Because i've experienced that since last, SUMMER i have
Speaker 4: wanted to go back to The Pacific, northwest Specifically Washington,
Speaker 4: state WHERE i had my three encounters last. Summer i'm
Speaker 4: actually going out on expedition at some point in, time
Speaker 4: probably next, spring With Less stroud Survivor, man And i'm
Speaker 4: Pushing less to go back to that particular. AREA i
Speaker 4: Think less wants to take the expedition up To. CANADA
Speaker 4: i want to go back To Washington, state in the
Speaker 4: very area WHERE i saw these things three times in
Speaker 4: two days last. Summer have you felt that draw that
Speaker 4: has pulled you back to that original location or do
Speaker 4: you think you got just as good a chance going
Speaker 4: out and looking for these things in your backyard or
Speaker 4: somewhere closer to.
Speaker 2: HOME i do want to get back to darn, area
Speaker 2: but that sighting just made me want to look more
Speaker 2: here In. Kansas all nice stuff has been at one
Speaker 2: of the reservoirs here And i've set my sound recorder
Speaker 2: out just a month and a half. Ago and another
Speaker 2: one THAT i was camping at with my brother and
Speaker 2: his in. LAWS i found a neat spot three and
Speaker 2: a half miles upstream a feeder creek into this. Reservoir
Speaker 2: very few. FARMS i wouldn't say it promote THAT i
Speaker 2: set up the recorder at a bridge crossing SO i
Speaker 2: can hear any car that goes, by AND i set it,
Speaker 2: out and THEN i went back the next day and
Speaker 2: got it and listened to. IT i got my first
Speaker 2: tree break and, fall not a limb break, off this
Speaker 2: sucker there are imitated the sound OR i don't know
Speaker 2: what an EXPLANATION i would. DEEP i have a big
Speaker 2: tree falling and a bay ass rock thrown into the.
Speaker 2: Creek there's a very deep, kick and there was no
Speaker 2: car that went, by and tree knocks from time to
Speaker 2: time on a regular. Basis so long way of, Saying
Speaker 2: i've looked at two, reservoirs and out of the two,
Speaker 2: Reservoirs i've got suggests of evidence that they're. There so
Speaker 2: it's got me wanting to go out to more. Reservoirs
Speaker 2: look at the ground in terms of topology and, hydrology
Speaker 2: try to figure out IF i was a sasquatch and
Speaker 2: the gorgeous those are Of missouri Or oklahoma Or. Arkansas
Speaker 2: crossing that border in The tansas and follow the drainages
Speaker 2: up and just see if they're. Suggested noises being made
Speaker 2: calls In, kansas it's, flat there's nothing there and there.
Speaker 2: Aren't batman And sasquatch, REPORTED i want to explore all
Speaker 2: the more What i've got here at home while still
Speaker 2: going out on THE dfro. STUFF i left going To
Speaker 2: nam and shooting the ball with everybody else seeing what
Speaker 2: the latest theories or the hypotheses. On they're really not,
Speaker 2: theories SO i wanted to do. Both but that area
Speaker 2: was a good, area AND i would like to get
Speaker 2: back and see if there's a chapter. Two IF i
Speaker 2: told somebody went on at the camp out from the,
Speaker 2: CONFERENCE i met another person like me there once he
Speaker 2: heard my. STORY a few wants to go down to that.
Speaker 2: Spot i'm trying his little lot down all the more
Speaker 2: power room for. Everybody let me ask you.
Speaker 4: This this is something that's come up many times over
Speaker 4: the years on the, show AND i ask people this
Speaker 4: a lot in. PERSON i don't talk about it a
Speaker 4: lot on the, show BUT i think it's a valid
Speaker 4: question because there are a lot of skeptical people out.
Speaker 4: THERE i was very skeptical about these creatures for. Years
Speaker 4: that skeptical part of me is completely. Gone Now i'm
Speaker 4: only skeptical about. People i'm skeptical about the experiences that people.
Speaker 4: Have the evidence that they put. Forward i'm no longer
Speaker 4: skeptical about the existence of. Bigfoot let me ask you,
Speaker 4: this have you ever hesitated to share your story out
Speaker 4: of the fear of, Ridicule and if, so what finally
Speaker 4: pushed you to speak? Up because there are people who
Speaker 4: are skeptical listening right. Now AND i guess the second
Speaker 4: part of that would be what detail or emotion from your,
Speaker 4: experience or just anything in general about your sighting and
Speaker 4: your encounter would you like for them to understand about
Speaker 4: what you experienced Got i'm getting deep. HERE i KNOW
Speaker 4: i have had.
Speaker 2: Some hesitatings from the. Sharing it's a select group of
Speaker 2: people THAT i talk to about, it and you can
Speaker 2: get a feeling pretty fast for. People but it strikes
Speaker 2: close to. Home the, naysayers like my family doesn't know
Speaker 2: what to do with this fact That john says you've
Speaker 2: seen it a. Sasquatch john is an honest, person but
Speaker 2: yet there really isn't something like a. Sasquatch so where
Speaker 2: do you put? That BUT i tell all my family about.
Speaker 2: It you're my test case with getting it out there
Speaker 2: That i've seen. It i'm a retired electrical, engineer SO
Speaker 2: i don't have an employer THAT i have to be
Speaker 2: sensitive about being laugh out of a. JOB i really
Speaker 2: don't worry what other people have to. SAY i don't
Speaker 2: want to feed into their making fun of. Stuff so
Speaker 2: that's Why i'm more hesitant to bring it up if
Speaker 2: they're going to laugh at. It but that's they're. Predative
Speaker 2: They rives loved her the, beasts and she had a math,
Speaker 2: degree taught biology and math in high. School it was
Speaker 2: out of her comfort. Zone she just, said sabsquatch does not. Exist,
Speaker 2: Therefore i'd come home excited that LOOK i found short of.
Speaker 2: PICTURES i found these. Tracks, no sabsquatch doesn't, exist therefore
Speaker 2: those are not tracks of a. Sasquat she was so
Speaker 2: certin of Her arduy, THERE i laugh about, it but
Speaker 2: YET i was still disappointed with her. Education she had
Speaker 2: her blinders on when people just knew, her and even my.
Speaker 2: Mom my mom will say that she recognizes there's a
Speaker 2: chance that they. Exist that she'd have to see the evidence,
Speaker 2: herself AND i give. Her none of them have laughed at.
Speaker 2: Me maybe When i'm not, there they might, say, oh
Speaker 2: that genre just off on this bigfoot stuff, again that's.
Speaker 4: Okay that kind of leads me to my next. Question
Speaker 4: having had your, experience has that changed your relationship with,
Speaker 4: fear your, faith the, unknown any of those things at?
Speaker 4: All has it changed? You BECAUSE i know for, me
Speaker 4: it's made me question a lot of things THAT i
Speaker 4: didn't necessarily question BEFORE i had my encounters Because i'd
Speaker 4: never seen something face to face from ten feet away
Speaker 4: that wasn't supposed to. Exist has that changed for, you
Speaker 4: whether it be a relationship with, fear of faith or
Speaker 4: the unknown in.
Speaker 2: General, no and maybe it. SHOULD i find That i'm
Speaker 2: just pretty casual out there in The. Boonies MAYBE i
Speaker 2: should have more of us. HERE i know there's a
Speaker 2: sector of our community say they're just a big the
Speaker 2: reverent forest, people AND i know it's probably not that.
Speaker 2: Simple and then there's the they five as four one
Speaker 2: one stories that you can't explain. Away on the other
Speaker 2: side of, that they could be disious killers and we don't.
Speaker 2: KNOW i like my. GUNS i bought a handgun that
Speaker 2: would give me a fighting, chance BUT i don't take
Speaker 2: it WITH i got in the day WHEN i just
Speaker 2: wasn't sure of what we're dealing with, here and we
Speaker 2: still don't know what we're dealing. With BUT i just
Speaker 2: don't feel the need to pack even though there's a human.
Speaker 2: Element for, sure we have left people out, here we
Speaker 2: found their. Skill assume it's not all. Safe then we
Speaker 2: do have Mountain, lion WHICH i visualize what that would
Speaker 2: be career encounter one at night when it's an ambush
Speaker 2: killer would be just horrendously, Terrible AND i probably couldn't
Speaker 2: get a shot off, anyway even if it's a bigfoot
Speaker 2: that's a role that's going to take you. OUT i
Speaker 2: think the probability would be getting a successful. Shot offer About,
Speaker 2: Neil SO i Guess i'm just not having the fear
Speaker 2: FACTORS i started. With i'm getting more comfortable with the
Speaker 2: idea and you hear more of the, encounters and, yeah
Speaker 2: if you didn't expect, it or if you weren't as
Speaker 2: open minded about what you're, experiencing you might think it
Speaker 2: was all threatened with. Believier but then now THAT i,
Speaker 2: see like when they come into camp in the middle
Speaker 2: of the morning and throw stuff around and slap the
Speaker 2: sides of caverns and, stuff you can see the possible
Speaker 2: playful side of that kind of thumber on their. HOUSE
Speaker 2: i just don't have a credible case in my mind
Speaker 2: of an experience that they were a real threat AND
Speaker 2: wha should be popular club. Game SO i Guess i'm
Speaker 2: getting more tazzle about. It but if my name disappears out,
Speaker 2: there it could be a cautionary tale that you need
Speaker 2: to start treating these things.
Speaker 4: Serious all, right last, question and this is. INTERESTING i
Speaker 4: Think i've never asked anybody this question on the, show
Speaker 4: so you're going to be the. First But i'm curious
Speaker 4: if you could ask the sasquatch one, question knowing that
Speaker 4: A sasquatch has got to be one hundred percent honest with.
Speaker 4: YOU i don't know how this communication. Happens maybe it's
Speaker 4: through some kind of mind, speak or maybe it's through
Speaker 4: samurai chatter or whatever the case may. Be but let's
Speaker 4: assume for a second you could communicate with one of these.
Speaker 4: Things what would be the one question you would ask The?
Speaker 4: Sasquatch and why.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for More sasquatch out to See we'll be
Speaker 5: right back after these.
Speaker 4: Messages that was.
Speaker 2: Surprising Needs i'd want to know do you even want
Speaker 2: to be? Crown or are you fine with The spattern's
Speaker 2: call where us humans don't know what to? Do that
Speaker 2: you could believe or not, believe BECAUSE i don't know
Speaker 2: THAT i want to prove that they're. THERE i know they.
Speaker 2: ARE i don't want to be in one, book bring
Speaker 2: in a body and prove that mankind has a history
Speaker 2: of ruin anything or it gets an involved. With SO
Speaker 2: i really don't know that we'd be an ally to.
Speaker 2: Them it's much as i'd, like like the indigenous. People
Speaker 2: natives have proguessed that they've had solid relationships with, THEM
Speaker 2: i don't know that our current people can carry on
Speaker 2: that kind of the, relationship especially with our military. Structure
Speaker 2: it's not in their nature to be sharing energies and
Speaker 2: powers some heavy. Clong so it might be that they
Speaker 2: don't want to be crown And i'd just like to
Speaker 2: know they're spending on.
Speaker 4: THEM i think that is an excellent, question BECAUSE i tell,
Speaker 4: you WHEN i first got into, This i've always pushed
Speaker 4: for wanting the discovery to, happen AND i think some
Speaker 4: part of me still wants that to. Happen but the
Speaker 4: longer That i've stayed in, this and especially AFTER i
Speaker 4: had my own encounters that proved to me beyond a
Speaker 4: shadow of doubt that there are one hundred percent REAL
Speaker 4: i frankly don't care about that as much anymore AS
Speaker 4: i used. To AND i, too like, you think that
Speaker 4: when we put our fingers into the pie and we
Speaker 4: get the too many cooks in the kitchen and the human,
Speaker 4: realm bad things tend to happen to whatever it is
Speaker 4: that we're trying to quote unquote. Help so the MORE
Speaker 4: i literally every, DAY i tend to move further and
Speaker 4: further away from the push for, discovery it's become more
Speaker 4: to me about continuing to document other people's, encounters BECAUSE
Speaker 4: i think up to and including when these things are
Speaker 4: eventually hopefully recognized by, science that's the most important thing
Speaker 4: THAT i can do in the research and pushing the
Speaker 4: ball down the field and continuing to educate people in
Speaker 4: the community and talk about these encounters and get these
Speaker 4: stories out there for. People, HONESTLY i used to think
Speaker 4: that was the norm for. EVERYBODY i thought everybody who
Speaker 4: was in this wants them. Discovered, no you start having
Speaker 4: conversations with people and they have their very in my,
Speaker 4: opinion valid, reasons and a lot of, cases very much
Speaker 4: like you, Said i'm not so sure THAT i want
Speaker 4: the humans to be. INVOLVED i think they're fine on their.
Speaker 4: OWN i don't think they need anything from, us AND
Speaker 4: i could be totally. Wrong they could be completely, endangered
Speaker 4: and without us stepping, in they may be gone in
Speaker 4: the next. DECADE i have no. IDEA i don't think
Speaker 4: that's the, case and if it, WERE i would feel
Speaker 4: horrible THAT i didn't do my part to help prevent
Speaker 4: them from completely. Disappearing but my gut tells me they're
Speaker 4: fine without. Us they don't need human beings interceding in any, way, shape,
Speaker 4: form or, fashion and the best thing that we could
Speaker 4: do is just leave them alone and leave them. Be
Speaker 4: and of course there are those of. Us i've had my,
Speaker 4: experiences BUT i want to have more experiences with. THEM
Speaker 4: i wanted to get closer AFTER i had my initial,
Speaker 4: experiences and there's some part of me who still wants
Speaker 4: to go out and have more of those. Experiences And
Speaker 4: i'm even torn about that because some people think that's. Harassment,
Speaker 4: right we're harassing them in their, environment and even That
Speaker 4: i've started to think more about since my, encounters And
Speaker 4: i'm mending the way THAT i approach the research HOW
Speaker 4: i do WHAT i. DO i don't go out and
Speaker 4: do as many vocalizations and tree knocks and things THAT
Speaker 4: i used to do that can or could be disruptive
Speaker 4: to these. Creatures that's just my personal take on, it
Speaker 4: AND i wouldn't be in this position HAD i not
Speaker 4: gotten to see them with my own eyes last. Summer
Speaker 4: SO i think a lot of people have to go through.
Speaker 4: This it is certainly an evolution for everybody who gets into,
Speaker 4: this no matter where they start on their. Journey it
Speaker 4: is a journey for, everybody and it's different for, everybody
Speaker 4: AND i think the best thing we could do as
Speaker 4: a community is just be respectful of where everybody is
Speaker 4: in their journey and try our best to do whatever
Speaker 4: it is we're doing to push the research down the.
Speaker 4: Field and part of that is people like you who
Speaker 4: are willing to come on shows like this and share their.
Speaker 4: Experiences so from the bottom of my, HEART i thank
Speaker 4: you for coming on and sharing your experience and this
Speaker 4: being the first place that you've chosen to do do,
Speaker 4: that because, that to me is very. Impactful AND i
Speaker 4: take that very seriously because it's your, story it's your,
Speaker 4: encounter and for you to trust me with, that in
Speaker 4: my opinion as an. Honor SO i thank you for
Speaker 4: coming on the show and sharing your experiences of had
Speaker 4: a blast talking to, you.
Speaker 2: Right for getting me to, chance or if they get
Speaker 2: a bunch of hate, Mail i'll be sending hate. Mail
Speaker 2: VIEW i don't think. So i'm expecting it a good.
Speaker 4: Experience it definitely will. Be my audience is. Fantastic they're
Speaker 4: definitely gonna love your. Experiences that's what the show is all.
Speaker 3: About in a back people Think
Speaker 4: I'm getting at pepping my giving a puppying a puppy