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Let's get out to the hotline. Welcome in the real

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Oh see Sean o'colly. You can hear him every single

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day on ESPN seven hundred and their midday show show

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and how that car are you?

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Speaker 4: Buddy? Thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: What a day?

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Speaker 4: Huh crazy?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we kind of felt like this was happening,

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but there is some waffling. I felt like I felt

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like there was a little bit of a power struggle

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here with you know, maybe maybe Kyle didn't want to

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step down, didn't want to retire. All the news coming

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out of this, obviously he is stepping down, he's not

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officially retiring.

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Speaker 4: Sounds like there.

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Speaker 3: Was a bit of upheaval, maybe a little bit of

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power play going on over the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: With the end of the season coming to an end.

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Speaker 1: I don't really know that there was a power play

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so much as there was indecision happening, because you know,

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this is a man who's a football lifer, who is

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trying to convince himself that maybe he doesn't need to

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be a football lifer at the University of Utah. I'm

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mildly surprised to see what Stuart Mandel is reporting that

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he might seek other coaching opportunities. But I mean, coach

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Witt has been laying this groundwork for now for really

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two and a half three years. He would have stepped

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away last season if it hadn't been such a disastrous result.

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You know, five wins. He's too competitive to go out

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on that note. And obviously a ten win season not

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quite right off into the sunset season that he probably

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hoped for, which I'm sure incentivized him in some way to, hey,

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maybe should I do it again? But this is something

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that he's been hinting at now for the better part

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of three years, and he's stepping down. If there's an

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NFL job out there, he would obviously take it. If

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there's a massive like a University of Michigan interest in

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somebody like Kyle Whittingham, which seems like, you know, kind

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of far fetched at this point. I'm sure he'll take

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something like that beyond any of those huge opportunities. I

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can't imagine him coaching on a sideline somewhere else, at

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least not next year.

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Speaker 3: So what's as far as head coaching jobs right now?

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Not very many of them available. We're getting towards the

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end of the cycle, but there are a few still available.

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Do you think he receives calls or do you think

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people are viewing college in the twilight of his career

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and still doesn't have he doesn't have any energy left.

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I mean, this is a good football team. I mean

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you're on the cusp of greatness. You lost to your

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rival by three on the road. You had Texas Tech

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at home, right and you fought to the nail through

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three quarters.

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Speaker 4: Fourth quarter they pulled away from you. Texas Tech very

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well could be a national champion.

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Speaker 3: With an influx of cash, maybe some nil, he can

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go out and purchase a pretty good staff and a

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pretty gosh dang good roster.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're if you're an athletic director or

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you're a university president, if you're in athletic department, and

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you're seeing what Chris com Ronning and Stuart Mandela reporting,

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and you're saying, wait, Kyle Whittingham's leaving Utah, but he's

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not necessarily retiring. Am I in a position right now

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where I want someone for two to three seasons where

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I need somebody that kind of writes this ship, gets

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us back on a positive path, and then eventually he

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steps down. And maybe it's only one season, but a

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short If you're looking for a short term fix, which

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to be frank, but if you're somebody out there in

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a leadership position who's looking for a relatively short term fix,

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there would be no better call to make than Kyle Whittingham.

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I don't know who's in that position. I mean, my

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imagination can run wild, and I could say, if I'm

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Michigan and we just got rocked by some crazy scandal,

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who do I want? I want someone who's the opposite

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of scandal.

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Speaker 2: I want someone.

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Speaker 1: Who's as boring and steady and reliable as I can

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possibly find. And that's a sixty six year old Kyle

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Whittingham who's been married forever. And you know, wants to

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be wants to be thought of as one of the

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best coaches in the country. I could provide him those

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resources that you just hinto that and maybe he can

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pass the torch to somebody else. Again, I think that's

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incredibly far fetched. But if if he's leaving the glimmer

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and the possibility this little window open that he might coach,

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Speaker 3: That, any chance BYU, if their funds they want to

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go bring in another analyst, a senior analyst. They're at

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Brigham Young University.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be one job that he would

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absolutely not take.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't want that.

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Speaker 3: He let's say, as far away from probo as possible.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean also, he's not the type that wants

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to stir up somebody else's punch bowl. You know, like

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Kyle and Klane are friends. Kyle has repeatedly acknowledged with

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a great job Kilinie's doing down there. He's got relationships

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with a bunch of the guys on that staff, And

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as soon as you throw somebody like that in, it

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just upsets the power balance and creates rumors and like

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all these insane situations and drama that Kyle Whittingham is

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allergic to.

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Speaker 2: So no shot of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there are only head coaching opportunities out there

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in a Michigan, Missouri state, in Washington state. But I

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imagine like there's if you have a senior analyst role

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open and a and a checkbook that's fairly open as well,

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you could probably pay him now. But I thought he

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had a sweetheart deal as an associate ad making him

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million dollars a year if he if he stays at

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the University of you thought.

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Speaker 2: He can.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a two or three year deal where

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he can be like a special advisor to the athletic department,

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that little golden parachute type job.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that's the type of thing that

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interests Whittingham to a great deal, you know what I mean,

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Because what is he dealing with in that he's shaking

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hands and kissing babies and now he's talking to private

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equity people potentially. I mean, it's just like this man

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is either going to be coaching football or he's going

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to be skiing, golfing and hanging out with his grandkids.

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I imagine they'll pull him out of the bullpen for

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big time Crimson Club events whenever he gets bored. But

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that advisory role, to me was always written as something

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that's like not a particularly like day to day type gig,

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So I don't know what it's actually going to be.

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that is going to be wanting to sit at a desk,

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you know, and putting a tie on every day, So

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the real o c Shot o'condle here on ESPN

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the Fan. How would you describe the last few years

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under Kyle And do you think it was the right

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time for him to step down or do you think

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there were still some Jews left?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think there is juice left. But I think

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that the right thing to do in any sports capacity

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is to be done with the sport before the sport

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is done with you. And I think that Kyle Whittingham

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is acknowledging that, you know, he has been grudgingly accepted

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the changes and adapted to the changes in college football.

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He has begrudgingly participated in the recruit your own players

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every three months and make sure you pay these kids

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sometimes way more than their worth with nil stuff, and

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he's adapted as much as an old dog can learn

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those new tricks. I think he deserves a lot of

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respect for the way that he has adapted when some

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of his peers, at least age wise and experience wise,

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were less able or not able to do. But again,

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this is a guy that is just you know, he's

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in the twilight years of a professional career, much less

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a football coaching career, and for him to walk away

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at this time where he finished on a ten win season, yes.

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Speaker 2: Just short of those stated goals that he talked about.

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Speaker 1: With you know, college football playoff invitation Big twelve championship.

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I think that would have made him the only Division

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one coach to win conference championships in three different conferences.

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If he had been able to pull that off, all

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that would have been really really great to see him,

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to see him do. But it feels like the right

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time for him to step away because you know, Morgan

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is ready to take over. And Morgan is a guy

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that he helped mold and I mean he coached as

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a player, as you're well aware, and has helped mold

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who Morgan is as a coach. And I think that

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Kyle Whittingham he always said he wants to be not

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just the coach but also the steward of this program.

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He wants to leave it in good hands. He wants

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to know when the right time to walk away is.

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another season or two, and maybe he would take an

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opportunity in order to get out from under the shadow

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or get out from under that Kylewoodyham umbrella. And I

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think that all plays into it, and Coach Wit realizes

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that this is the time, so, you know, go out

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on a high note if he can. And ten and

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two is a high note. It's not quite as high

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a note as some of us hope for this year,

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but it's the hell of the season.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, what other dominoes could fall

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between the two schools with this move?

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Speaker 4: Do you think any other dominoes could fall?

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Speaker 3: I does j Hill get a call from Morgan Scaley

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say hey, you want to be assistant head coach and

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the DC as I move up to the head coaching world.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that's a possibility.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a strong possibility. I think it's a

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conversation that you know, should at least be entertained on

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both sides. I don't know that Jay would be willing

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to do that. I don't know that Morgan would be

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willing to go back to Jay instead of you know,

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promoting a Colton Swan or Sharif Shaw or Lewis Powell

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or the guys that have you know, stayed at Utah

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and been a huge part of his own success, of

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Morgan's own success.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, why wouldn't he go to J Hill.

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Speaker 1: J is one of the best assistant coaches in the

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country period. So there's also, you know, the possibility of

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Gary Anderson. Gary Anderson was the defensive coordinator, a position coach.

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was there, and then he was the defensive coordinator who

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took over right after Morgan left, and so he coached

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again under Gary when he was just a grad assistant

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in climbing the ladder.

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Speaker 2: So they've got a great relationship.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if Morgan is calling a couple

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of different guys that are on that YU staff and saying, hey,

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is there any interest in you coming back? Because I

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assume that there's going to be some shuffling of the deck.

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coaches probably becomes a decordinator or Jay becomes a defensive coordinator,

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and that's going to change some things. Also, who knows

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if BYU is calling Jason Beck or anyone who is

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involved in Utah's offensive success this year. So as as

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always the case with these two programs, it goes both ways.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's competitive comparative enmity here the private equity deal.

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I imagine you've delved deep into this. Your reaction, You're

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thoughts the positive and the potential negative here from your perspective, Well.

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Speaker 1: The positive is that you presumably have an influx of

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funds that help you to stay competitive with schools in

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your own conference and beyond, especially in the Western United

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States where a lot of your recruiting footprint is where

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you know you can offer the same kind of things

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that Oregon and USC and Texas Tech and b YU

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are offering to recruits and to assistant coaches and to

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families that want to be part of your department or whatever.

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So that's that's the positive. That's the obvious positive and

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the pretty obvious negative is that now you've you've partnered

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with an industry that is notoriously soulless and sucks the

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life out of a lot of the things that they

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end up partnering with because all they care about is

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the almighty dollar. Now, that's far from ideal from a

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sports fan perspective, but it's the reality of where college

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sports have headed, and it does provide some exciting, you know,

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new possibilities in the realm of you know, setting president

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for the rest of college football and for the rest

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of college athletics where maybe maybe it is time to

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invite return on investment type partners into your athletic department.

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I don't know how it's going to work out. I've

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talked about this, you know, every which way I can

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possibly imagine, and I can see it going both ways.

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Massive risk, massive reward, and UTAH was the first one

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to take the lead.

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Speaker 3: Sean best way to support you what you do, how

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you do it. For all of our listeners.

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Speaker 4: Wait, are you going to be flying to France too?

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Speaker 2: I'm in France right now.

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Speaker 1: I got three little kids so it's hard to fly

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is tough. It is tough. Well, glory to you.

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Have a great time, man, I'll check it out on

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Speaker 3: Man. Appreciate you joining us, Love your content, love your commentary.

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Speaker 4: Always a pleasure talking ball with you.

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Speaker 2: All right, man, thanks for having me, Ben, Appreciate you.

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