WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:06.759 It's the Opperman Report. 2 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:11.199 Join digital forensic investigator and PI Ed Opperman for an 3 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:15.880 in depth discussion of conspiracy theories, strategy of New World 4 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:20.480 Order resistance, hi profile court cases in the news, and 5 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:25.000 interviews with expert guests and authors on these topics and more. 6 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:32.079 It's the Opperman Report, and now here is investigator Ed Opperman. 7 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:41.479 Okay, welcome to the Opperman Report. 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Okay, 20 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:16.920 I'm really excited today. I'm kind of shout out of 21 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:21.799 a can. We got the great aj Benza aj Benzi 22 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:26.079 from New York City, the New York Daily News, what 23 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:26.359 was it? 24 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:33.799 Mysteries and Scandals, Mysteries and Scandals on the E Channel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I'm. 25 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:36.920 A huge fan AJ Benz. Tell tell audience, AJ are 26 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:37.239 you there? 27 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:41.239 Hey, thanks Ed, thanks for having me. Well, yeah, those 28 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:44.640 were big up the Daily News back in the nineties. 29 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:48.560 Those are fond, fond memories for me. They still remain 30 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:52.319 the most fun, the greatest days I've had in my life. 31 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:54.760 There was nothing better than writing a column for New 32 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:57.920 York City every day, you know, during the tabloid war, 33 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:01.760 the post against the news, and obviously the nineties were 34 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:06.079 right for every scandal that's now being played on TV 35 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.560 screens and movie screens. But to cover the og Simpson trial, 36 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:14.000 the Michael Jackson trials, Tanya Hardy, Nancy Terrigan, Menendez Brothers, 37 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:20.199 Jeohnny Risatchi assassination, I mean, they're all big again. But 38 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:22.560 back in the nineties, I was there for all of them. 39 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:26.439 Yeah, right now, it's history, right, yeah. 40 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:29.639 Okay, you can catch AJ Benza. He's got a podcast 41 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:30.960 right now. Fame is a Bitch. 42 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:32.960 You can find it on iTunes, But if you just 43 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:34.439 google Fame is a Bitch, you can find it all 44 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:34.919 over the place. 45 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:40.000 And I just started listening yesterday and oh, I got 46 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:41.039 to give a warning. 47 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:45.759 It's addictive, you know, That's what I've heard. 48 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:47.800 I get that from a lot of people. You know, 49 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:51.400 I'm new to the podcast game. I'm actually it will 50 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:53.960 be about a year. But the show that you hear 51 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:57.400 now is very quite different than the show that I 52 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.560 first put out back last April. I wanted to do 53 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.039 a show where I would bring up a scandal every week. 54 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:06.960 And because I did one hundred and seventy two episodes 55 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:10.240 of mysteries and scandals for E I figured there's so 56 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:12.560 many more to choose from. And every week I do 57 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:17.919 anything from the Black Dahlia to Fatty Arbuckle to tag 58 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:21.280 End Thwistle jumping off to Hollywood sign There's one hundreds 59 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:25.479 of them. But then something happened in August and September, 60 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:30.120 and that was the Harvey Weinstein scandal, and then the 61 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:32.400 Me Too movements and the Times of movements and the 62 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:36.680 pedophilia allegations, and Hollywood is just spinning out of control. 63 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:38.919 And since I know all these people, I've been out 64 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.039 in LA for twenty one years now, I know all 65 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:45.039 these people. I know the President of the United States 66 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:47.960 Donald Trump. I know, I knew Harvey Wearnington. I still 67 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:51.639 talk to Harvey Weinstein. So suddenly my show is now 68 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:55.719 just me sounding off on whatever's whatever's in the news 69 00:03:56.080 --> 00:04:01.960 that pertains to politics, Hollywood, pretty much topical stuff. And 70 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:05.280 I'm really honest. I don't pull any punches, and I 71 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:11.159 intertwined my personal stories around the news I've lived. That's 72 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:13.479 kind of what I'm most happy about the way I've 73 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:15.400 lived my life. I have a lot of personal stories 74 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:17.639 with people. Have a big name dropper, so if you 75 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:21.279 hate name dropping, don't listen. And I'm I don't run 76 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:23.360 out of stuff to say. I'm doing okay so far, 77 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:24.839 so the show is getting big. I'm not having a 78 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:25.240 good time. 79 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:27.000 Well me, that's get this now. 80 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:29.439 You started off with the catchphrase fame as a bitch, 81 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:31.560 because I guess you're. 82 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:33.360 Covering famous people. But now that you're famous, how do 83 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:34.000 you feel about that? 84 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:37.720 Uh? You know, that's a funny word, fame. I actually 85 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.920 the initial phrase was same, ain't a a bitch? That's 86 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:43.319 what we said on E That's where the title of 87 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:46.959 my first book was. But then, yeah, I'm not famous, 88 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:51.920 I'm I'm infamous. I've got notoriety. I'm celebrity, like I'm 89 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:54.439 a you know, a celebrity of Jason. You know, people 90 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:57.040 know me. But now I'm on the I'm on the 91 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:59.720 other side of that because there are people will never 92 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:01.439 knew I mean in the nineties who are now old 93 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:06.360 enough and interested enough in celebrity and scandals and what 94 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:08.800 have you. So there's a whole new generation of people 95 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.959 that have started to really get into that side of Hollywood. 96 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.800 So I'm new to them, and thanks to the Internet, 97 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:17.600 they've been able to go back and read about me. 98 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.240 But I don't know about famous. I mean, to me, 99 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:25.360 famous is big house on the hill. You know, a 100 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:27.319 couple of TV shows, You got money, you got to 101 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.240 get Jaguar, and I don't have that. I live a 102 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.800 pretty simple life with my wife and two kids. But 103 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:34.519 it was the time in my life when I was 104 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:36.959 on my way to getting those things. When I first 105 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:40.160 got to LA I had two shows, you know, a 106 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:44.759 book deal, a movie, dating celebrity. So I was definitely 107 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:48.160 on that trajectory. And then different things happen. Not everybody 108 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.759 gets through the hurdles and gets over the hurdles, and 109 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:52.639 you get knocked down quite a bit. In this town. 110 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:54.680 But you got to keep getting up and moving forward. 111 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.560 And I've done that. So am I a celebrity? Am 112 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:01.240 I famous? I think I'm more infamous, But I'm still going. 113 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:02.040 I'm still coming. 114 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:06.079 Yeah here you now, one thing I noticed with the podcast, right, 115 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:12.240 you do attack this subject of pedophilia and celebrity pedophilia, and. 116 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:13.160 Now I'm not. Yeah. 117 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:15.319 It's kind of a kiss of death though, man like, 118 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.279 because you know, when I do auditions and I'm talking 119 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:19.480 to different people, you know, by doing different stuff opera 120 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:21.959 and report on TV, a documentary series and stuff, and 121 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:23.879 when I start telling them that I covered those topics, 122 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:24.839 they don't want to touch it. 123 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:29.040 I know what you mean, But I know what you mean. 124 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.639 And listen. A podcast, Budy Inswer is different. I you know, 125 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:34.759 I've had, I've had. I had a talk show for 126 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:37.000 a very short time at E and you're looking at 127 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:39.480 people directly, and you can engauge what works and what 128 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.000 doesn't work. The only way you can gauge a top 129 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:44.639 podcast is the downloads and are they going up? But 130 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.560 are they going down? And now with social media, I've 131 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:49.800 got listeners who reach out to me and tell me 132 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:54.240 they really like it, and I think this pedophilia problem 133 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:56.560 has really touched a nerve with a lot of people, 134 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.680 and there's nothing. Look, people are discussed that that if 135 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.040 a lot of this stuff that we say is happening 136 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:08.160 in Hollywood to Corey Feldyn, Corey Hayn stories, if that's 137 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.560 really true and some of the bigger stars are maybe 138 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:16.120 closeted and doing it like a campus spacey, then there's 139 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:19.480 just endless amounts of material. And I think more people 140 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:22.720 want to hear about it than don't. And no, I'm 141 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:24.680 not afraid to go after them. I'm not afraid at all. 142 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.759 I've got more and I'll tell you what's been harder 143 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:32.240 for me to tackle is the me too times up stories. 144 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:35.439 Because I was a guy that ran around before I 145 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:37.920 was married on both coasts, and I had a ball 146 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:40.240 when I was single, and the things I did and 147 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:45.680 said would be absolute certain certain career enders for me 148 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:48.639 right now, But there was no cameras back then and 149 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:52.040 nobody listened in nowadays. Some of the guys I'm covering, 150 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:57.000 like Russell Simmons or Jeremy Piven, Brett Ratner, Harvey, I 151 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:59.560 know all these people. I ran around with them, and 152 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:04.079 I know some of them to be fine, gentlemen. But 153 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:07.279 yet people women can come out of the woodwork and 154 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:10.439 say things happen to them. And I'm concerned about the 155 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.279 net that we're casting to gather these men up. A 156 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:15.439 lot of innocent people are being pulled in the net. 157 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:17.959 It's gonna take time before we get it right. But 158 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:22.279 you know, I trust that most women are honest, but 159 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:25.519 I know not all women are honest. And you know, 160 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:28.759 that's a hot topic to discuss. I argue with it 161 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:31.040 with my wife, I mean, and she's like, please be 162 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:36.360 careful because you have these you make these statements, and look, 163 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:38.120 I think that most of them really don't know what 164 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:40.759 women go through and we're just now starting to learn. 165 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:45.320 And it's scary. It's scary. So yeah, those are tough subjects. 166 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:47.720 But I like I like that edge, I like running 167 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:48.600 on that line. 168 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:50.960 I know what you're saying. We're the same age. 169 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:53.279 I'm sixty, I'm fifty born in sixty two as well, 170 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:56.320 fifty five years old. Okay, I'm from the Bronx and 171 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:57.360 Staten Island, you know. 172 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.559 So it was a different world back in those days. 173 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:03.679 It was a different world. 174 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:07.000 But even now, when I look back at my younger days, 175 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:08.320 in my twenties and thirties and stuff like that. 176 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:10.000 I said, you know what, I did some stuff. 177 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:12.840 That was wrong, you know, yo, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 178 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:16.639 I know, I know we did. Listen. I mean, I 179 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:19.879 don't look I did things I've said on my podcast 180 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:23.240 and if you start to listen from last September to 181 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:27.159 the current listen to the current day. I'm really honest 182 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:29.559 about the stuff I did. I've done with women and said, 183 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:33.960 and there's no question I want. I spoke to Harvey 184 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:37.440 when he was in his rehab clinic in Arizona the 185 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:40.120 first few weeks, and he said, he told me everything 186 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:42.759 that they're saying I did is a lie. Everything was 187 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:48.080 every every relationship was consentraal et central And I argued 188 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.120 with him on that, but he said to me, Aj, 189 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:53.919 if you were who you were back in New York 190 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:57.159 in the nineties late nineties, they would come after you 191 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:59.600 just as hard as they came after me. And I said, 192 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:01.679 hold it all, I've never had a woman tell me 193 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:04.240 I raped her. He said no, but I'm telling you 194 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:07.679 that I didn't rape them either. So I don't believe 195 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:10.159 Harvey's one hundred percent innocent. I think most of those 196 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:13.120 girls are telling the truth. However, I know that they're 197 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:15.559 for every girl that says that he raped her or 198 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.399 did things that were not consential. I'll bet you there 199 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.080 are five that went into those hotel rooms and knew 200 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:25.120 what was coming and sat in the whirlpool and put 201 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:27.519 the shower on for him because they wanted that part. 202 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.399 Don't tell me they didn't. I know this business very well. 203 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:34.559 May This has been happening since Darryl Zannak and Shirley 204 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:38.559 Temple and Louis being mayor, and Howard Hughes, I mean, 205 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:41.159 Howard Hughes had women every couple of hours come to 206 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:44.600 his office. It's been this way and it's not right, 207 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:49.240 but it's been this way forever, and it's not going 208 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:50.080 to change overnight. 209 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.360 It's not so Describe to the audience, what is your 210 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.080 history with the Weinstein Well. 211 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:58.840 Harvey and I. Because I was a gossip columnist in 212 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:02.679 New York, it was very It was very common for 213 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:06.279 me to get some big, big heavyweight guys on the phone, 214 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:09.120 including Donald Trump, Harvey Warrington. These are guys that were 215 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:12.440 obviously very influential in their fields. They knew a lot 216 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:15.039 of information I needed, and there are reasons for me 217 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:17.519 to help them because one hand washes the other. In 218 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:21.200 the gossip industry, you hide an it him that's detrimental 219 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:23.639 to Harvey's movie opening. He gives you a tip on 220 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:26.399 something else you can run next week. Donald Trump wants 221 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:28.240 to buy a building, but he's not allowed to do this. 222 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:33.039 That it's quid pro call. The whole day long, so 223 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:35.559 I was always in the phone with these guys. Harvey 224 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:38.559 eventually gave me my first book deal, which was the 225 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:41.919 book Same Ain't and a Bitch. I was at the Oscars. 226 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:43.720 I was covering the Oscar and I found out when 227 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.080 I got back to New York Pete Hamill was gonna 228 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:49.639 let me resign because she didn't like gossip reporting. And 229 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:52.279 I told Harvey that and he said, well, I'm going 230 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:54.039 to give you a book deal. You write a book 231 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:56.240 for me, we'll keep you on your feet. He told 232 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:57.759 me how much money you give me on the spot. 233 00:11:58.279 --> 00:11:59.720 So that's the kind of guy he was to me, 234 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:02.759 and he kept me alive for a while, and I've 235 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:05.120 been He's done that for me in a few different ways. 236 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:09.320 I wrote for his magazines. He's been good, so I 237 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.399 stayed in touch over the years. He've always been tight 238 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:15.919 and about fifteen years ago. I bought a soap screening 239 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:18.840 painting for him because he was going through hell with 240 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:21.799 the Disney merger and the press was beating him up. 241 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:24.200 And I hated that I wasn't part of the press 242 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.679 because I was to protected. So I went to go 243 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:29.600 buy the painting and the girl behind the counter goes, 244 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:31.519 who's this for? I said, well, by the way, it 245 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.159 was a painting. It was the word Harvey Wood instead 246 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:37.679 of Hollywood. And she said, who's this for? I said, 247 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:40.240 this with my friend, Harvey Warrington. She says, oh, he's 248 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.080 dating a friend of mine and who lives in England. 249 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.240 Now I knew Harvey was married with children in New York, 250 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:49.840 so I quickly called him and I said, hey, tell 251 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:52.600 me why some nobody in an art gallery knows that 252 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:55.360 you're dating a woman in England. He said, it's maloney. 253 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:57.559 Don't believe a word of it. Then he calls back 254 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:59.600 two minutes later, he goes, Okay, it's true. What do 255 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:02.399 we do? So we met. He said I can't have 256 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:05.320 this information get out. I love this woman my life 257 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:07.200 when I am going to split, but I need this. 258 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:10.600 I can't have this out. I said, okay, I'm going 259 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:14.759 to give your company, Mirromax, all the best gossip that's 260 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:17.360 out there. I'm going to supply your publicists with every 261 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.480 great story that I can get my hands on, and 262 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:22.960 whenever somebody calls your people to find out about this 263 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:25.799 is fair. If then it becomes public, the way to 264 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:28.200 beat that is you feed them other big stories and 265 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:31.120 they'll let the affair story go. Now. I don't know, 266 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.799 I said, his people with a lot of great stories, 267 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:37.320 and Harvey paid me by the month. Everybody was happy 268 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.240 and the affair story never sold the light of day. 269 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:42.360 But I don't know how many people went after the 270 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:44.639 affair story. I just know I gave them good stuff 271 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:48.159 to battle it. So people kind of tied me up 272 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:52.679 with the New York Times story coming out. Before that 273 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.200 came out a year and a half ago, Harvey called 274 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:57.600 me and said, get to the finding until I got 275 00:13:57.720 --> 00:13:59.559 to talk to you. I ran down. We drove down 276 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:01.440 to the pends, but he said, look, there's a big 277 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:03.799 hit piece coming out on me for the New York 278 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.320 Times New York Magazine, and I need your help. I 279 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:08.000 got to find that I was doing this. I got 280 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:11.000 to stop this now. He didn't say that piece alleged 281 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.759 he was a rapist. It just was a typical hit 282 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:17.360 piece on Harvey's a bully. Harvey gets angry. I've seen 283 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:20.639 those before, so I said, okay, well what shall we have? 284 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:22.559 Can I go about it? And we were coming up 285 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:24.559 with ideas. He said, look, i'll pull you in a 286 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:25.799 week and I'll tell you what I needed from it. 287 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:29.639 I said great. He never called, and he was offering 288 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:32.000 me a lot of money, so I was interested in 289 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:34.360 doing this. I said, well, what do you want me 290 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:36.519 to next month? He goes, no, I'll let you know. 291 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.480 Thank god, he never well I shouldn't say that. If 292 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:43.440 he told me this was about me allegedly raping women, 293 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:45.559 I never would have helped him. I just thought it 294 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:48.240 would another Harvey's a Bully story, So I never did anything. 295 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:50.919 He never called back. He said, don't worry about it. 296 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:53.919 And then he starts to hire some companies that you 297 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:58.559 just don't see people higher, these companies like black Box 298 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:02.879 and Massage. I mean, you know, he went, he went 299 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:07.200 full warfare. He still couldn't stop the story that that 300 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.799 Ronan pharaoh was was writing. But as you know now, 301 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:13.480 the New York Times stopped it for a while. The 302 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:17.440 the the n y p D silenced victim for a while. 303 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:21.559 NBC News didn't run it for a while. So Harvey 304 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:24.039 had a lot of power, and I wasn't the only 305 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:27.480 journalist who would who would who had helped him in 306 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:31.399 the past, as is obvious now. But eventually it became 307 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:33.919 too big a story. And I just talked to Rodan 308 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:38.200 Pharaoh two weeks ago at lunch about it, and it's 309 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:40.759 congratulated in him because that's it. He's getting that, he's 310 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.120 hatting big stories. Now, this kid, Ronan's quite a star 311 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:47.200 in the journalism world. We both were groomed by the 312 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:49.919 same guy, Richie Esposito was my boss at the New 313 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:53.799 York Dly News and he groomed Ronan the MSNBC. So 314 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:57.879 it's interesting. It's there's there's there's gonna be a lot 315 00:15:57.879 --> 00:15:59.759 of that. There's gonna be a lot more stories. And 316 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:03.919 now that people who go after people like in positions 317 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.519 of power, like Harvey and others, there's gonna be a 318 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:08.759 lot more of these stories coming. But that that was 319 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.240 my relationship with Harvey. I haven't talked to him in 320 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.360 several weeks. As bad as the stories are, I do 321 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.519 feel bad for him because I know how powerful he was, 322 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.879 and how how many great things he got done. But naturally, 323 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:24.840 if I put my daughter in the place of so 324 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:28.279 many women who tell their stories, it's nauseating. But I 325 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:29.639 didn't know that stuff was going on. 326 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:33.919 Never How was he doing today? Is he still in rehab? 327 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:38.960 I imagine so. But the last time I spoke to him, 328 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:42.039 probably a month and a half ago, he was I 329 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:43.639 don't know where he is now. I don't know how 330 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:47.240 well those things take. I personally don't believe those things 331 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:51.679 are are changeable. I think a sex addiction is very 332 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:55.000 difficult to overcome it. It's more of a power addiction 333 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:58.159 than sex. If he asked me, I don't know if 334 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:00.759 you can change that. I think that's why I pe 335 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.480 just so intriguing, because what Harvey was doing and the 336 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.920 way certain men are acting. I don't know if you 337 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:09.319 can change out overnight. It takes a long time to 338 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:12.200 become more aware of what you're saying, how you're acting, 339 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:16.559 what you're doing, and it affects so many men now. 340 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:19.240 Pedophilia is something that I don't care what you do, 341 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:21.039 that's never going to get to get out of that 342 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:24.440 person's head. That person has to be separated from society 343 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:28.440 and he's got to be watched because you can't you 344 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:31.640 can't shock that out of the system or incarcerate them 345 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:34.359 until they're clear. I don't believe that. That's a whole 346 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:35.079 different problem. 347 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:39.599 Well, then let me ask you this about the mechanisms 348 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:43.160 of reporting gossip, because when Kevin Spacey came out, right, 349 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.319 it was a huge story, twenty four hours story, right, 350 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:48.039 and he's just done this, he's done that. I actually 351 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:49.720 had his brother on the show a couple of years ago. 352 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:53.400 Oh well, wow, Now, but when Kevin Spacey comes, how 353 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.599 come they don't talk about him being on Jeffrey Epstein's 354 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:01.480 plane with Chris Tucker and what and Bill Clinton? 355 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:05.319 I know, I know, well I do. I get interviewed, 356 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:08.920 I get interview the uh the island and Jeffrey's playing 357 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:12.839 the Lite Express. I get into all that he's no angel. 358 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.960 Jeffrey Epstein is a bad dude. He's a bad dude. 359 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:22.000 But but when billionaires hang out with billionaires, and there's 360 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:24.799 a reason why Clinton and Epstein and Donald Trump and 361 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.759 there's so many big time people, you know, there's a 362 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:30.799 there's one hundred pictures of Oprah Winfrey kissing and hunting 363 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.279 coffee one right, they're all in the same pluck. That's 364 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.400 not to say they all agree and know what the 365 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:40.480 other person is really doing. But trust me, when you're 366 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:44.759 at that top level, you do know a lot of 367 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:47.240 what people like us down here don't know. And if 368 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:49.839 you're a journalist like myself, well all of us know 369 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:52.759 that Kevin Spacey was chasing man and chasing boys around 370 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:54.880 Hollywood and all over the world. We all knew that, 371 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.359 But we're not in the business of outing people. So 372 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:00.920 there'd be a lot of blind items out Chavidge Spacey, 373 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:03.640 but not nothing. That was a nail on a hammer 374 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:06.720 on the nail. Now that's changing now you can now. 375 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:09.200 But now like I just released the story on Twitter 376 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.440 that on me on my podcast today that I know 377 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:15.759 the next excuser that's coming out that's gonna go up 378 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:18.599 against James Franco and it's an actress name is Zoey 379 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:21.519 Deutsch who did the movie Why Him and James was 380 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:24.319 very inappropriate and he was her producer on top of 381 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:27.559 her coastar. That makes him her boss. He can't do that. 382 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:30.960 That dynamic is no longer acceptable. She would cry with 383 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:33.359 Dan has said he would say inappropriate things in their ear. 384 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:35.640 He'd put his hands on the wrong places that weren't 385 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:39.400 called for. This happened every day. Brian Cranston, a co star, 386 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:41.359 saw this and said to her, when you want to 387 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:44.799 come forward, I'll support you. So at least that happened 388 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.640 five three, two years ago. I don't think a man 389 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:50.759 would have said to the girl, how are you doing? 390 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:53.519 Are you okay? You know? If you need me, I'm here. 391 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:56.519 But you know, I know that the men I grew 392 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.519 up with would have taken James Franco's hands and broke 393 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:03.240 him at the roo. There are different people in this 394 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:06.400 town and his business than there are around the country 395 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:09.160 and around the world. Hollywood is a different group of people. 396 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:13.680 They do let things go. It's all kind of winklink, nudge, nudge. 397 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:16.559 You know, she's screwing him, he's screwing her, and this 398 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:19.240 one's paying this much money. How is this girl that 399 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:21.759 hasn't worked for the last twenty five years still wearing 400 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:25.720 the best clothes, still driving a Ferrari? Who's she's screwing? Like? 401 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:29.039