WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:04.080 A couple weeks ago, I spoke about DMR and how 2 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:08.519 I thought DMR was not used correctly, and I asked 3 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:10.320 you in the video if you thought I should make 4 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:14.880 a video about this topic, and many of you answered, yeah, yeah, 5 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:16.800 what are you talking about? What do you mean? This 6 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:21.039 is part of the answer to that question. Why am 7 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:24.199 I burned out on DMR and how is it not 8 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:31.120 used correctly? Let's go. Today's video is sponsored by ham 9 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:35.039 dot Live. Bring your net your ham radio net to 10 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:38.079 the next level by using the free software at ham 11 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:41.039 dot live. Check out the interview I did with Sean, 12 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:44.399 the creator of ham dot Live. In the description blow 13 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:48.880 I have been on DMR since about twenty twelve. Texas 14 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:53.359 has had DMR systems in our state since twenty ten, 15 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:57.640 and Brandmeister came online in twenty fifteen, five years after 16 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:01.759 the fact. TGIF came online in a few years after that. 17 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:05.120 I don't know TGIF had some There used to be 18 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:08.599 a TGIF talk group on Brandmeister. The guys in charge 19 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:11.280 of that talk group and Brandmeister gotten a tiff. They 20 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.879 disagreed on some things. There's a PC way to say it. 21 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:19.079 Y'all should congratulate me. I'm not a very politically correct person. Yeah, 22 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:21.599 so something happened there. I don't have all the details anyway, 23 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:24.799 and then TGIF split off and now they have their 24 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:27.439 own network, but it's been a long time coming. They've 25 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:29.719 been working on that for quite some time. And now 26 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.439 if you tie a brandmeister in TGIF talk group together, 27 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:34.519 they're gonna disable you because they don't want any of 28 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:36.719 their talk groups tied together, or at least that's how 29 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:39.439 it used to be. But all of that to say, 30 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:43.519 I've been involved in DMR for about twelve years. Okay, 31 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:46.439 maybe a little bit over twelve years. The second video 32 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:50.239 I ever posted on this channel was what I call 33 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:55.120 my anniversary date May second of twenty fifteen, which we're 34 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:58.239 gonna be celebrating ten years of this channel on May 35 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:00.799 second of twenty twenty five, so a tune for information 36 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:03.560 about that. But that set that video was the very 37 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:06.120 first time I had ever called the channel ham Radio 38 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.639 two point zero and it was a presentation about intro 39 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:14.000 to DMR that my friend Kent Wa five yxs and 40 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.000 myself made at a local HAMM radio club here in 41 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:20.680 the Fort Worth, Texas area. So lots changed since then. 42 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:23.479 So I've been involved in DMR pretty much since the 43 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:27.919 beginning of this YouTube channel. Okay, so I have some opinions. 44 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:30.639 A lot of these opinions are probably not going to 45 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:32.800 be shared by some of you. Some of you are 46 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:35.280 going to disagree with what I have to say. And again, 47 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:37.479 this is part one. I'm gonna make a part two 48 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:39.719 to this video and talk a little bit more in depth. 49 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:42.719 But I found this reddit article. Yes, this is another 50 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:46.560 Reddit article. I was already talking about making a video 51 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:50.560 about how I think DMR is used wrong, okay, and 52 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:54.639 then I found this reddit article right here. Has Brandmeister 53 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:58.439 USA really stopped issuing new talk groups. I've been trying 54 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:01.439 to get a five digit group for our club now 55 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:03.599 that we're putting up a new DMR repeater, and quite 56 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:05.919 a few of us are already acting on DMR, but 57 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:08.400 we've been using the club's DMR idea as the talk group. 58 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:11.319 My question is, has Brandmeister really stopped issuing new talk 59 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:16.319 group numbers? Their website states so here create new talk group. 60 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:18.639 As of May of twenty twenty five, digit talk groups 61 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:21.199 are no longer being labeled issued to the USA do 62 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:24.319 their limited number of talk groups available so they haven't 63 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:28.439 run out of talk groups. Yet your repeater six radio 64 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:30.039 ID you can use as a talk group. They have 65 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:33.479 not run out yet, I'm told, but they are not 66 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:36.000 issuing talk groups anymore, or at least if they are, 67 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:39.639 they're very slow to respond to keep everything above the table. 68 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:44.520 I know one or two of the Brandmeister admins for 69 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:48.039 Brandmeister USA, and I traded some emails with one of 70 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:51.360 them before making this video, and I said, hey, here's 71 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:53.520 what I want to say. It's not going to be 72 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:56.159 in a positive light about Brandmeister. I don't want to 73 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:59.479 step on anybody's toes. I'm not mad at anyone specifically. 74 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:03.240 I just think that some things that were done were 75 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:06.719 stupid and that kind of thing. So I traded some 76 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:08.479 emails with him. I'm not going to tell you who 77 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:10.840 it is. He was very polite. He and I get 78 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:13.520 along very well. We've traded emails for years and years, 79 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:15.879 so he knows what I'm what I'm doing here. And 80 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.199 I showed him this Reddit article and he said, no, 81 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:21.480 the five digit IDs are not all used up. But 82 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:25.600 he says what used to happen was someone would request 83 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.800 a talk group ID, they'd use it for a few months, 84 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:32.839 and then they'd stop using it, so Brandmeisterer would turn 85 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.000 it off because they can see all the stats of 86 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.560 when the talk group is used. I mean it's all 87 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:39.800 on the computer. It's all over the internet, okay, so 88 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:42.680 everything's logged, Okay, so you can always see stats when 89 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:44.480 the talk group is used. So they would turn the 90 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:46.319 talk group off, and then about a year later they 91 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:48.399 would get emails saying, hey, where'd my talk group go? 92 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:50.279 Like they wouldn't even notice it's gone for months and 93 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:53.079 months afterwards, and they're like, look, we can't just issue 94 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:55.319 a talk group to anybody. If you're gonna use it, 95 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:57.000 then fine, he said. The one of the last ones 96 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:59.399 they issued was actually for Poda. There's a PoTA talk 97 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:02.680 group on Brand. I had no idea myself. So you 98 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.839 can still get a talk group, and the admins are 99 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:10.279 overworked and there's not very many of them, so they're 100 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:12.720 a little bit slow to respond. I don't think they've 101 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:14.759 completely stopped, but they are a little bit slow just 102 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.879 because they're overworked. Okay, first comment. In my experiences, they 103 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:20.199 don't even monitor support tickets at all anymore. And I've 104 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:22.639 heard lots of people say that we've had a linking 105 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:27.000 request opened to update the exciting link for over an 106 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.160 exciting link. Maybe an existing link is what he means. 107 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.439 With no action despite repeated inquiry, Brandmeister is a great 108 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:37.720 example of why centralized closed systems are bad for the hobby. 109 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:40.399 So I've got I've got something to say about that. 110 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:44.600 The first first comment here says, really unfortunate. Now we're 111 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.399 all locked into a shambling husk of d on mor network. 112 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:53.079 I ah, I made this call ten years ago. Ten 113 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:56.240 years ago, I made this call. I'm like Brandmeister is 114 00:05:56.319 --> 00:06:01.199 a bad idea, and that's a big part about behind 115 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.759 why I say we use DMR incorrectly. That's a big 116 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.839 part of it. I'm not going to elaborate in this video. 117 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:11.480 I'm going to talk about specific topics about this video. 118 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:13.439 So if you guys want to hear more about that, 119 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:15.399 put a comment blow because i do want to talk 120 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:17.680 more about that. Now we've all got locked into a 121 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.160 shambling husk of dn MAR until somebody comes along and 122 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:22.720 reinvents it. Well, that's already been done and the cycle 123 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:25.800 begins anew. I'm sure there are no end of Ham's 124 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:27.639 willing to pick up the reins and help manage it. 125 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:30.120 Once again, that's already been done. But you know how 126 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:32.040 a lot of these folks are. They'd rather take what 127 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.000 they built to the grave than seed control, so it 128 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:38.000 lives on. Once I started seeing the ten minute limit 129 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:40.279 on every state wide talk group, I knew BM was 130 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:43.000 done for. I started going through the wiki pages or whatever. 131 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:46.759 It seems like they don't want anybody actually using the network. Now, 132 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.600 I will say this, Okay, one thing, This is all 133 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:51.480 I'm gonna This is the this is the this is 134 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:53.800 the last thing I'm gonna say about. Well, maybe not 135 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:55.199 the last thing. This is one of the last things 136 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:59.519 I'm wanna say about this, Okay. One of the problems. Now, Okay, 137 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:02.240 there's few fifty states in the nation, and there's fifty 138 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:05.319 one entities, maybe fifty two entities as far as statewide 139 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:08.360 talk groups in the USA, I'm talking about USA statewide 140 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.040 talk groups. Here for amonent, Washington, d C. Has a 141 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:13.800 statewide talk group, Puerto Rico has a statewide talk group. 142 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:18.319 The US Virgin Islands, and a couple other of the 143 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.120 US territories down in the east they might have talk 144 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:23.319 groups too, I don't know, but there's at least fifty 145 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:28.839 at least fifty two, including DC and Puerto Rico statewide 146 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:35.399 talk groups. Not everyone had DMR before Brandmeister came around 147 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:39.680 in twenty fifteen. Okay, not everyone did. Several states did. 148 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:45.480 Texas did? Oklahoma? Did? Arkansas? Did Ohio? No? Not Ohio? 149 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:50.399 Indiana did the Who's your network? Who's your DMR network? Florida? Did? 150 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.839 I believe New York did? I think Arizona Turbo was 151 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.040 around before? Then There's several others. Okay, I don't know 152 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:58.680 them all. Okay, those are the ones that I could 153 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:01.759 name off the top of my head. We had our 154 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:04.560 talk group, our Texas statewide Talk Group was three one 155 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.720 four eight. We had that up and running for five 156 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:12.120 years before Brandmeister ever came around. And when Brandmeister came 157 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:19.319 around and created their own network, they duplicated everyone's statewide 158 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:22.560 talk group network. So there was a Brandmeister three one 159 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.879 four eight that was created in addition to the original 160 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:30.480 Texas repeater network three one four eight. And when people 161 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:34.360 would get on Brandmeister three one four eight, because I started, 162 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:39.279 I did. I started a Texas statewide talk Group DMR 163 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:42.919 net that still takes place to this day on talk 164 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.600 Group three one four eight on the repeaters in the 165 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.519 state of Texas. As far as I know, this is 166 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:53.360 the only DMR net that is not piped out to 167 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:58.000 everyone everywhere on the planet. This is an actual local 168 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:02.960 Texas only at that only takes place on the Texas 169 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:06.600 statewide repeaters. We have a sea bridge network in Texas, 170 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:10.519 the sea bridge. There's multiple sea bridges that are all 171 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:13.360 connected together in Texas. I own one of them. That 172 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:16.080 talk group is shared with all the sea bridge owners 173 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:18.759 in Texas, but it is not piped out to everyone 174 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:21.879 else on the Internet. Okay, so we have an actual 175 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.519 Texas statewide talk group. The thing that the talk group 176 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:30.000 was supposed to was originally meant to be used for, 177 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.279 was for people in that stake to communicate with one another. 178 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.320 You have local talk groups, citywide talk groups, statewide talk groups, 179 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:40.360 you have nationwide talk groups worldwide. You have talk groups 180 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:44.720 segregated by geographical location, and talk groups segregated by language. 181 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:48.720 There's English, French, Spanish, Russian, is Raeley talk groups. Okay, 182 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.360 all kinds of talk groups like that. So the original 183 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:53.639 Texas Statewide Talk Group was three one four eight. We 184 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:56.759 started the net. I started the net in twenty thirteen. 185 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:59.519 It's still going today. Several other people helped me take 186 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:01.480 it over. So for other guys run it, I kind 187 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:03.000 of took a step back a couple of years ago 188 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:04.919 because I got tired of doing it after ten years. 189 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.440 In twenty twenty three, I took a step back. These 190 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:09.840 guys do a fantastic job. These guys who run it 191 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.519 now do a fantastic job. Every Wednesday at seven thirty pm, 192 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:15.159 if you are in the state of Texas near a 193 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:17.519 DMR repeater, you can get onto that net. But when 194 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:20.799 Brandmeister spun up their network, they created three one four eight, 195 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.039 and we would have I would get emails from people saying, hey, 196 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:25.080 I turned on my hotspot last night on three one 197 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:26.679 four eight and I didn't hear the net. I'm like, well, 198 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.120 you can't get to it with a hotspot. You have 199 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.200 to go into Texas and get on the repeater. And 200 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:34.200 he's like, well, I'm in another state somewhere. How do 201 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.399 I join your net. I'm like, you don't. It's a 202 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:40.240 Texas net. It's not that we don't welcome other people, okay, 203 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:43.120 but it's a Texas net. It's not a worldwide net. 204 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:45.919 It's not a nationwide net. There used to be a 205 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:52.159 spreadsheet list of several hundred DMR nets that took place 206 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.799 all across the globe, all kinds of Brandmeister nets, c 207 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:59.960 bridge nets. I'm sure there's probably some TGIF nets these. 208 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:02.159 I used to have a list of like literally one 209 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:04.759 hundred and fifty nets that would take place once a 210 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:08.159 month or once a week, all across the DMR networks 211 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:10.679 that existed, okay, And the one thing they all had 212 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:13.600 in common is that all of those talk groups through 213 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:17.559 Brandmeister could be accessed from anywhere in the world. So 214 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.679 you couldn't actually do a Texas or a Florida or 215 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:24.000 in New York or a Wisconsin net because your talk 216 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:28.960 group was spread to everybody across the planet. Okay, okay, okay, 217 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:33.240 that's cool, Okay, no problem. But we wanted a Texas net, 218 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:36.000 or I wanted a Texas net, and that's what I created, 219 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:38.279 and that's what still exists today. We have a net 220 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:40.720 for Texas based ham radio operators who want to get 221 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:43.080 on DMR and TOY and we'll have anywhere from thirty 222 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:45.159 forty to fifty check ins on that net every week. 223 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:49.399 But when Brandmeister duplicated our talk group, it caused huge 224 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:52.840 amounts of confusion. We connected our talk group to Brandmeister 225 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:54.559 for about a week, and all the Sea Bridge owners 226 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:57.480 complained because guess what, this Canadian guy was talking to 227 00:11:57.519 --> 00:11:59.320 this guy in Florida and they were ragchewing for an 228 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.960 hour and a half about nothing that didn't involve Texas 229 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:04.600 with the Texas Talk group. But also I'm like, why 230 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:07.320 you guys use your own talk group. People don't use 231 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:10.200 talk groups correctly. As far as the state wide talk 232 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:13.320 groups go, people don't use talk groups correctly. That's one 233 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:17.320 of my big beefs about DMR in general. Now, if 234 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:19.399 you do run a net, if you do run a 235 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:21.759 net in fact, maybe I'll maybe I'll try to go. 236 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:23.480 I used to do net control for my Texas state 237 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:25.799 wid dmornet about well. I used to do it every week, 238 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.399 and then a lot of really good guys stepped up 239 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:30.159 and took over weeks and I would do it once 240 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:32.399 a month instead of once a week, and then other 241 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:34.039 people would do it on the other weeks of the year. 242 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:37.279 But I recommend heading over to ham dot live. Ham 243 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:40.440 dot live is the sponsor today's video. Anyone from anywhere 244 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:42.799 it can use ham dot live to log your net 245 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:44.799 check into a net. See who else is checked into 246 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:47.480 a net. I did an interview with Sean, the creator 247 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:49.440 of ham dot Live on this channel. I'll link that 248 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:55.240 in the description below. Ham dot live works from any platform, Windows, Mac, Linux, 249 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:59.720 your smartphone, Android, iOS. It's web based. You create a 250 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:02.799 log in, it's free. You get to track who is 251 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:04.720 where and who's checking in from where, and you get 252 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:07.600 to kind of see what is happening in your net. 253 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:09.840 So go check out hamdot live if you run a 254 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:12.159 net or if you have access to it, if you 255 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:14.320 check into a net and they don't use anything like 256 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:16.840 netlogger or anything like that, check out hamdot live. It's 257 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:18.480 a free service. Let me know how you like it, 258 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:21.200 and thanks to them for sponsoring this video. So there's 259 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:23.720 a lot of comments kind of like this. There's a 260 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:26.519 lot wrong with each of the digital mode implementations in 261 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:30.440 this hobby. BM is DMR's biggest ugly elephant in the room. 262 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.320 We shouldn't have systems that rely on external entity for 263 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:36.519 linking and communication. I think the whole purpose of amateur 264 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:42.279 radio noncentralized communication depend of large centralized servers. Well okay, yes, no, 265 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:44.639 I no, I think that that. I think that's I 266 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:47.679 think that's accurate. Okay, but we had that and we 267 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:51.679 gave that up in lieu of brandmeister. Okay, more to 268 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:54.200 come on that later today, I want to talk about this. 269 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:57.039 This is, this is, this is. This kind of made 270 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:59.840 me laugh here, and this isn't specifically about DMR. Dm 271 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:01.600 R is the dumbest mode for ham radio for the 272 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:03.879 simple fact that every call sign needs a radio ID 273 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:05.840 assigned to it for it to work on any network. 274 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:09.120 And I replied, this is my reply. Every digital mode 275 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:12.320 needs this. DSTAR and YSF use a call sign, DMR 276 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:14.320 uses a number. If you fail to enter any of 277 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.200 those into a radio, you won't be able to transmit 278 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:19.559 on the network wires X, DSTAR network whatever. I don't 279 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.559 see how DMR is more complicated than others just because 280 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:24.919 you use a number rather than your call sign. And 281 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:26.960 he replies back, you have to regisure that call sign 282 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.799 with a third party. Yes, that is radioid dot net, 283 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:32.759 which is run by him out of Canada. Yes, that's correct, 284 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:36.440 which then assigns you the ID. The process isn't trivial. 285 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:39.080 You have to create an account and upload a reference 286 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.360 copy of your license. From what I can remember, you 287 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:44.600 are correct, that is that is an absolute truth. I 288 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:46.639 know plenty of hams that can't be bothered with that. 289 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:49.240 If you don't have a reference copy of your license, 290 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:52.639 then it's off to mess with the FCC website to 291 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:54.919 try to find it. I think it's stupid because it's 292 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.039 a result of DMR being a commercial mode on a 293 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:59.639 Yazoo radio. You input your call sign in off you go, 294 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:04.399 what does that mean? You don't have a copy of 295 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:09.559 your Ham radio license? What so? The FCC used to 296 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:12.759 used to mail you a physical hard copy, a paper 297 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:15.159 copy of your license when you got licensed, when you 298 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.480 renewed your license, when you upgraded your license, they would 299 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:20.320 mail you a physical copy. Several years ago they stopped this. 300 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.039 They stopped doing it, and now you can download your 301 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:28.080 license in PDF format. Guess what, guys, there's my license 302 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.039 right there. I had a plan that my wife actually 303 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:33.720 made that for me Christmas leg of several years ago. 304 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:36.480 That black sign with the wood frame around it, that 305 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:40.000 is my general ticket Ham radio license. That's what that is. 306 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:45.039 You are required to have your license displayed in your hamshack, 307 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:48.080 or in your mobile shack, or on your person. I 308 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:50.159 used to have a paper copy in my wallet. I 309 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.519 should probably renew that. I don't actually have that myself. 310 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:54.720 You're required who doesn't have a copy of their HAMM 311 00:15:54.799 --> 00:16:00.360 radio license? You should have a You should already have that. Okay, 312 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:02.399 I can't I read this, and I'm like, is this 313 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:04.519 guy serious? You don't have a You have to be 314 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:07.360 bothered to go get a DMRID. You have to be 315 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:10.759 bothered to go download your handwrit You should already have that, dude. 316 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.720 You should have that displayed in your hamshack. You should 317 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:16.840 have a copy of it saved somewhere. It's part of 318 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:20.200 the FCC requirements of your license to have a copy 319 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:22.600 of your HAMM radio license that you can show to 320 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.159 someone should they ask for it, which never happens. Okay, 321 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:28.240 but why would you not have a copy of your 322 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:31.679 ham radio license? That doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. 323 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:33.720 So I go on to reply to this guy. I 324 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:35.919 was like, every ham should already have a copy of 325 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:38.399 their license. It's actually required for you to have a 326 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:40.360 copy of your license. Your home station, mobil station were 327 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:42.399 on your person. They used to mail hard copies, but 328 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:44.279 since they stop, that is on s to go download 329 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:46.639 a PDF copy of your license and keep them. Why 330 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:49.399 would anyone not want a copy of your own license? 331 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:51.759 They're free to download from the FCCUS, by the way, 332 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:54.480 totally free to download. Yes, this is a result of 333 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:56.960 DMR being a commercial mode, but DMR is also the 334 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.480 fastest growing digital voice mode and HAM radio, so it 335 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.480 doesn't seem that be that much of a hurdle for 336 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:04.279 most people. My point was that you still have to 337 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:06.359 put in an input something into the radio to use 338 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.799 the radio on a network, unlike analog all Star ecolinkuage 339 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:11.640 recards nothing. And then I replied again, also, and I 340 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:13.440 used to be in one of the admin's on radioid 341 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:15.640 dot net, so I know this is true. I remember 342 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:17.079 when this happened. You used to be able to go 343 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.039 on radioid dot net, put in your call sign, get 344 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.839 a radio ID and done, boom done. Now you have 345 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:23.759 to upload a copy of your license, and the reason 346 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:27.160 for that is to prevent fraud. The reason the license 347 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:29.640 is required on radioid dot net is to prevent someone 348 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:31.880 else from using your call sign to get a dMRI ID, 349 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:33.839 input it in the radio and cause mischief on the 350 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.720 bands with someone else's call sign. YESU and d Star 351 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:40.119 have no way to prevent this. Jesu and Icon, I 352 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:43.119 should say, Jesu and ICOM have no way to prevent this. 353 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:46.119 I can buy an Icon radio and put in anybody's 354 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:48.240 call sign I want to. I can buy a Yazoo radio, 355 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:50.839 put it in anybody's call sign, get on wires X. Okay, 356 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:53.480 you could input your call sign into my radio if 357 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:55.880 I wanted to. I could input your call sign in 358 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:57.319 my radio if I wanted to, and keep on the 359 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.519 network as you and you could do it to me. Also, 360 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:02.599 when you get a brand new Yazu radio or a 361 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:05.599 brand new Icon radio the Yaesu, the first thing when 362 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:07.480 you first boot it up, it first asks for your 363 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:09.599 call sign. It kind of forces you to put in. 364 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:11.200 You can bypass it, but it kind of forces you 365 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.200 to put in your call sign. The Icon seven oh five. 366 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:16.319 When I first got it, I was tinkering around with 367 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:17.880 it and I couldn't get it to work on d Star. 368 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:20.839 I contacted Bob K six Uda and I'm like, dude, 369 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:22.359 can you help me with this? And he's like yeah, 370 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:24.000 And we got on a Zoom call and the first 371 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:25.759 thing he said was, Okay, did you input your call sign? 372 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.799 I'm like, no, I didn't. He's like, oh, that's why 373 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:30.160 you can't get on the network. You have to input 374 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:32.480 a call sign. Well, what's to keep me from putting 375 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:37.039 in AB seven GD or Bob K six uda. I'm 376 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:39.079 gonna put your call sign in and get on d Star. Hey, 377 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:41.960 this is Bob K six y Uda. Screw all you guys. 378 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:43.920 What do you guys do it? You know, there's nothing 379 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:45.640 to prevent you from doing that. You can put any 380 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.480 call sign into a YAESU radio, or a or a 381 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:51.160 Icon radio or a Kenwood D Star radio. You can 382 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:53.200 put any call sign in there you want to. There's 383 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.960 no verification process with DMR. You have to upload a 384 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:59.519 copy your license, so to prove who you are. I 385 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:02.240 guess if if someone were to steal your license, a 386 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:04.480 copy of your license, then yeah, I mean if you 387 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:06.720 were if you left your license laying around someone took 388 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:08.480 a picture of it, took a copy of it. That okay, 389 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:10.440 maybe they could do that if they want to go 390 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:12.920 to that much trouble. But that's the reason your license 391 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.839 is required. To get a DMRID at radioid dot net, 392 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.200 so that you can prove who you are and that 393 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:20.880 DMRID is assigned to you and not someone else claiming 394 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:24.119 to be you. There's a lot of other comments in here. 395 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:27.519 These guys talk about M seventeen. M seventeen the real 396 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:31.920 answer to proprietary crap and control. So yeah, M seventeen 397 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:33.519 guys get in here and they kind of rail on 398 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:36.920 these DMR forums sometimes, so other stuff in here like this. 399 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:41.400 So suffice it to say, Brandmeister is one of my complaints. 400 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.559 I don't like the way they implemented certain things. And 401 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:47.480