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ask me anything, and we'll go from there. Now, it's

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interesting this week, we had a very very interesting question

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from someone who clearly is pretty knowledgeable, and I'm going

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to put my little glasses on. It comes from Victoria

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and she writes HI new treatment options for canine B

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cell lymphoma called T cell infusion therapy, And now we're

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talking very very new stuff out there, T cell infusion therapy,

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and it's really really it's a cool concept and what

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we're learning, you know, it's funny. I have to go

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back one of my mentors when I was in veterinary school,

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doctor Barbara Kitchell. She was doing her medicine residency at

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UC Davis while I was there. She then went on

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to do her residency in oncology, also under the internal

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medicine umbrella, so she was double boarded. And then since

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that wasn't enough for Barb, she then went on to Stanford.

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So we're not we're talking no dummy here for a

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PhD in comparative oncology. So we are talking an extremely

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high power driven individual. And I saw her at a

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conference and she was, you know, a very good friend

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going through that school, and I told her about this

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one case I had, and knowing here that she's not

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only board certified in introm medicine. She's board certified in veterancology,

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and then she went goes and gets a PhD in

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comparative oncology. She'd be a perfect person to kind of

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explain to me what happened here and basically to give

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you a little rundown on the case, because it was

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really fascinating.

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Speaker 3: I had a five.

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Speaker 2: Year old rottweiler come in with advanced bone cancer. Now

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bone cancer called osteo sarcoma is really a lousy diagnosis.

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It is going to be pretty much one hundred percent fatal.

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And the best we had at the time was amputation

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and a particular chemo protocol that might buy us. Oh god,

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any we're from twelve to nineteen months, I mean, not

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really a good prognosis for this dog and the owner

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it was a big boy, and she did not want

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to amputate.

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Speaker 3: That was out of the question.

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Speaker 2: You can also do some what we call palliative radiation

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that will shrink the tumor a little bit, by us

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a little time of a decent quality, and hopefully allow

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the dog to keep its leg. But she had read

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online and this is one of those things where where

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I always I'm so hesitant when people.

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Speaker 3: Say, oh, where'd you hear about that?

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Speaker 2: I got it on the internet, because, as I often say,

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the internet is truly it's probably one of the newest

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number one sources of information, but unfortunately it's also one

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of the number one sources of misinformation.

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Speaker 3: But she read this thing as a protocol.

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Speaker 2: It was a naturopathic protocol, came from some naturopathic veterinarian.

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It was a mega vitamin therapy plan and some herbs,

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and she brought it to me.

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Speaker 3: I said, look, I don't even know if it's going

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Speaker 2: It. I don't know why it's gonna work, but you know,

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if it's good for you, let's do it now. Mind you,

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when you get your definitive diagnosis, which we did, it

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often requires a bone box. Now you can get a

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defendidyt You can get a pretty good idea just on

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that radiographs alone and the rapid growth. But she wanted

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to know exactly what it was. We did the bone biopsy.

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Now you have this tumor picture of this. You have

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to make a little hole in the skin right to

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do your bone biopsy. So, as you know, we sew

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it up and this dog would be coming in every week,

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and the stitches continue to rip open because the tumor

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was getting so big. I mean, it was three times

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the size of the regular leg. So it was a challenge.

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But we're doing this megavitamin therapy, the herbs, he's coming in,

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We're doing this ivy drip, and obviously, for the first

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several few weeks, I'm seeing nothing other than continuing to

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have to re suture the original incision site where we

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took the biopsy from. And then something miraculous happened by

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week four, not that it was gone away, but I

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did not have to resow the skin. It actually stopped growing.

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And then by week five, I'm getting a little loose

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skin around this thing. I'm taking long story short, this

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dog literally went into full remission. If you took an

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X ray. Three years later, the dog finally lived to eleven,

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which is pretty good for a rottweiler with no bone cancer.

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And I am amazed. I'm saying, there's no way that

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this therapy could really do this. I had used it

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two other throughout three other times, once on a Golden retriever.

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Now I mind you on the Golden retriever. Because we

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had so much evidence and met all the radiographic criteria.

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employ the same treatment and guess what, it also resolved,

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and then two or three other cases it didn't. So again,

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in anything, just because it works for one patient, that

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doesn't mean diddley. But I will tell you that I

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witnessed personally my own cases two of.

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Speaker 3: These success stories.

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Speaker 2: So I'm so intrigued that when I bumped into doctor

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Kitchell Barb at a conference, I said, Barbara, I gotta

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tell you, And I told her all about the story

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I just told you, and she says, I'm not surprised.

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I go to You're not surprised, he goes, the first

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thing that I could tell you, the most important thing

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I learned in my PhD program is.

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Speaker 3: How little we know about cancer.

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Speaker 2: So here she is double boorded in veterinary, internal medicine

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and oncology, a PhD, and she's admitting how little we

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know about cancer. And she thought even then that she

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said that the future of cancer treatment is going to

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be immunotherapy the immune system. And what she thinks is

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that all the vitamins and the antioxidists and everything we

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did to this body enhanced these two dogs that were

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successful in their own immune system and it wasn't obviously,

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it wasn't a mega vitamins that killed the cancer, but

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it was enough to stimulate the dog's own immune system

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to beat the cancer. So let's talk about this in

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this T cell infusion therapy. T cells are one of

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the cells that often is afflicted with cancer. And as

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we say, there's B cell imp foma this is called lymphosarcoma,

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and there's T cell them foma. We say B is

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bad and TA is terrible. So when you have B

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cellom foma, which fortunately is the more common and also

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it is a little bit more responsive to treatment, and

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we have a lot of different modalities and treatments so

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we can get these dogs into emission.

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Speaker 3: But here's the theory.

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Speaker 2: This is some research that's coming out of Texas A

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and M University School of Terine Medicine. What they do

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is when when you give chemotherapy to a dog or person,

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you are literally obliterating the immune system as well as

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trying to kill.

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Speaker 3: The rapidly dividing cells.

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Speaker 2: And typically cancer cells are dividing more rapidly than regular cells.

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So the goal is to give enough chemo to not

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completely eradicate all the cells, but at the very least

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try to slow down or kill the very rapidly dividing

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So before chemo they start killing off. They save some

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T cells, take a few T cells out.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: Now they do the chemo, which is going to destroy

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even other T cells, and it's going to suppress the

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immune system a bit, in which case there's no ability

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for the body to fight its own cancer.

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Speaker 3: Ah.

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Speaker 2: So what do they do after the pet the dog

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is in remission. They infuse back those T cells that

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were taken out before the chemo, before they had a

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chance to be weakened or destroyed by the chemotherapy, along

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with all the other cells. And now the bodies healthy,

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strong T cells are able to beat the cancer because

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what we realize is that when the chemotherapy does work

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on the cancer cells, it increases their antigenicity on their

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cell wall, which means it makes them more attackable by

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a healthy T cell. And that's what healthy T cells do,

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they attack the bad cells. So in essence, we are

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harvesting the healthy T cells before any chemo. We are

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obliterating as much as we can from the chemo and

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increasing the antigenicity along the wall of the cancer cells

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the B cells, and by infusing now back in the

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healthy T cells, it is the T cells that are

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killing the cancer. The dogs own T cells and not

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the chemo. So it really is fascinating that the early

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reports of this modality have been extremely positive, and I

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think that is such a cool thing. And I think

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that these are going to be some of the advancements

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that we are going to employ in venting medicine, and

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that will also probably work with human medicine as well.

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And this is how sort of we grow together.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Years and years ago, and I'm talking thirty forty years ago,

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veterinar medicine was truly not as sophisticated. We didn't have

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the budgets and the schools to do this kind of research,

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and therefore we always lagged behind and we would borrow

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or steal, if you will, treatment modalities, drugs, etc. From

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the human side, piggybacking on their research. But now veterini

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medicine is in the forefront, and you'll see, especially when

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it comes to things like vaccine, there are going to

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be many modalities that may be discovered first on the

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veterinary side, and then they're going to try them and

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see how they work as well if they do on

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the human side. So I think it's pretty cool. So anyway,

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time for that break, Victory. I want to thank you

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for the question, A great question. I hope you're listening.

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If not, and you play this later. If you have

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any questions, you can get a hold of me directly

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at DRGF Doctor Jeff at petlifradio dot com.

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Speaker 3: And don't go away. We're going to be right back

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after this short break.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back right after these messages. Stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: Com, And welcome back to here with Live with Doctor Jeff.

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Wore where your host here on pet Live Radios asked

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the vets with Doctor Jeff once again, I want to

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thank Victory for that amazing question and uh hopefully that

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if if this is your pet, you're dealing with this

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so you might want to consider it right now. I

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think it's only being done at Texas A and M.

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That might make a bit difficult because these cells have

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to be removed and harvested, the tea cells, the healthy

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tea cells, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: But the best of luck.

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Speaker 2: A couple of other things I just got back from.

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I was in New York last week. I was on

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Al Roker's weather show, First Thing in the morning, wake

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Up with Al.

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Speaker 3: It was great.

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Speaker 2: We talked about some summertime tips for pets. We also

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had a chance to talk to them about here.

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Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: And one thing that I know I have to sort

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of reiterate because it comes up every single time we

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do anything about summer pets for tips, and that is

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dogs or cats left in cars, and I just have

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to tell you it is unacceptable. It is extremely dangerous,

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even if you park in the shade. And I'll tell

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you why. You know, just some basic physiology. I'm sure

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you guys all know this that dogs and cats only

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sweat from two locations on their body, one the pads

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of the feet to the tip of the nose.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: So they don't have the e crime, which is the

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sweatland that we have over most of our bodies that

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helps us regulate top body temperature and as you know,

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when we get very hot, perspire. So the problem is

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with dogs is that because the surface area of the

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pads and the nose is not enough to regulate that

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body temperature to normalize their heat, what do they do?

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Speaker 3: They pant?

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Speaker 2: Now, if you ever put your hand, remember dog's body

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temperature normal one hundred and a half, use the one

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hundred and one to two.

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Speaker 3: As you get really hot, it might go to one

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hundred and three.

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Speaker 2: So I want you to put your hand in front

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of a panting dog's mouth and feel the breath the

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air coming out.

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Speaker 3: And it's hot, it's very warm.

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Speaker 2: So it's not necessarily the ambient temperature outside that is

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always contributing to this problem. It's being in a car

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with the windows pretty much up. Yeah, you might be

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a bit, but that's not gonna be enough, and they

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are getting anxious. Sometimes it's not even that they're overheating.

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Speaker 3: Anxious, they're just anxious.

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Speaker 2: They're in this car and they start to pant, and

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the more they pant, the warmer the car gets. The

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warmer the car gets, the hotter they get, the more

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they have to pant. So you can clearly see this

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vicious cycle happening before your eyes and the inside of

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that car, between the combination of the dog, the anxiety,

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the heat that he or she is generating, plus being

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outside even though it's in the shade, it's still hot,

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and before you know it, fifteen minutes, twelve minutes, you

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have a car that's one hundred and fourteen hundred and

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twenty degrees. That is like a sweat box. And that's

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why these dogs overheat, and that's why these dogs die.

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Speaker 3: So never a good idea.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to leave them in the

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car in a covered garage with an air conditioner on

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for five minutes.

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Speaker 3: You could probably do that.

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Speaker 2: But just to leave them in and think, well, no,

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it's in the shade, I parked under tree, or I

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even park in a garage and I have the windows cracked,

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makes no difference.

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Speaker 3: So just be really, really really careful. Now, coming up.

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Speaker 2: On Saturday, as we all know, is the fourth of July,

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and you know I always I think we talked about

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this last year as well, and I wanted to remind

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you all that be very careful if your dogs seem

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or cats seem to be very freaked out by those

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loud sounds, whether it's Worth of July fireworks, whether it's

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the thunder and lightning, whatever it is, construction, sonic booms. Many,

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many dogs have a very difficult time with this, and

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it's up to us to make sure to keep them

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as comfortable as we can. If you have dogs that

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you know are miserable, then you might want to consider

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talk to your veterinarian. Of course, some sort of mild

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relaxing agent. It could be something very naturopathic, something like

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for example, our pro sense calming tabs that are basically,

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oh it's a camameal and valerian root and passion flower.

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basically the calming agent that is derived from milk protein.

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for years that nursing puppies and kittens and even nursing.

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Speaker 3: Babies overall calmness about them. And why is that.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's actually there's a substance in milk protein and

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caseine that has a natural calming effect, something like benadrula.

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it for allergies because histamine is not a major mediator

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of the canine allergic response. Therefore, anti histamine to battle

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theology is not going to be helpful. However, older antihistamine, steifen, hydromine, chlorophenaramine,

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the ones that are drowsy, they work very well. And

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this is you know, so you can avoid things like

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xanax and valume and acepromazine. More of the drugs and

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these work well. But we mentioned this last year, we'll

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do it again. The best thing to do is prevent

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this behavior through behavior modification. That is where we exercise

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some common sense. We want to desensitize our pets to

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these sounds, and then we want to counter condition them.

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to it.

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Speaker 3: How do we do it?

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Speaker 2: I want you to go online, and you have enough

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time to do it this time, unless you have a really,

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really really good dog, or you've been sort of starting

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this already and you only have a few days left.

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and get a sound effects tape CD. You can download

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them very easily, and you want to get the sound

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effect for fireworks. What you do is you sit there

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with your dog and his favorite treat, and he's at

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your feet, he's on your lap, you're petting, and you

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start playing the volume so low that you don't even

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hear it, but they do and just go, oh my god,

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you such a good point, and give them a treat

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and turn off your computer. And that's less than one

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and the next day come back, same scenario, but now

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you're gonna play a little bit louder and a little

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bit longer, and then you stop and you go, oh

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my god, you're so good, and hugs and kisses in

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a treat. And you continue to do this daily or

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every other day, increasing the volume, until the dog is

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going to now associate the a loud noises with hugs

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kisses in a tree. So instead of being fearful, they'll

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probably come running to you and say, okay, give the

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noise in the background, where's my treat?

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Speaker 3: And you can actually get them.

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Speaker 2: To I wouldn't say it like it, but they'll start

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making the association that by this is that allows sounds

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are pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's raining and thunder.

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Speaker 2: I'm having a blaste because I'm getting my streets instead

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of running and hiding. And the other mistake that we

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always make is when we have a dog that we

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know is fearful.

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Speaker 3: So what happens The noise starts, and what do they do?

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Your tail is between their legs.

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Speaker 2: They start running to you for comfort, or they go

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hiding under the bed or under a coffee table, whatever

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it is.

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Speaker 7: What do we do?

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Speaker 3: Because we love our pets so much, we call them

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over and say, oh, you poor thing, come here a cases,

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So what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Then you're actually reinforcing the fearful behavior. They're gonna learn

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to be fearful because they know that way. They're that way,

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you're gonna call them over and give them smooches and

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give them a treat and hug them. Well, duh, that's

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a snow breaker. Of course they're gonna continue to show fear.

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Speaker 3: We have all week at least you can. You can

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still get.

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Speaker 2: Honest, but you want to not show, not exhibit that

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to reinforce the fearful behavior. So anyway, I want to

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thank you for joining me here on this glorious Sunday

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here it's still morning here in the West Coast and

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the East Coast. Again, during the week, if you think

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of something you want to talk about, something you want

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to share, a story, something about this happened with you

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and your pet, or anything, please send it to me

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here at doctor zeph pet Life Radio, and all the

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even be forwarded to me. And once again next week,

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hopefully when you get the courage and we're gonna talk

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about how well your pet did or didn't do with

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all the fireworks, aren't.

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Speaker 3: The fourth of July eight seven, three eighty eight, eight

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e two. Once again I want to thank.

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Speaker 2: Pro sent Pet Products and com for sponsoring us, and

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we'll see you.

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Speaker 3: Here next week.

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