Speaker 1: I made a decision paced sunny sound on. I had
a vision night.
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody. Welcome to for crying out loud. I'm back,
Hello studio. Hi Stephanie, Oh my god. Special thanks to
John for stepping up last week. He did last step
it up. Yeah, stepper upper. He's a stepper upper. I
am doing much better thanks to all the you know
well wishes.
Speaker 1: Tell us what happened?
Speaker 2: What happened? Well, it was really stupid. I mean I
went to my friend Glenn had a great super Bowl party.
It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we haven't really talked about that. Yeah, we're here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was you know, my friends were all my
old school friends were in town. Mike Gerstein flew out. Uh,
Dawn came and spent the night, two nights at my house.
I don't know why two nights, but okay, she spent
the night Saturday night and then Sunday.
Speaker 1: But you could wake up on Sunday and pregame and
I guess, and then go to the super Bowl and
then she could sleep at your house that night, right
pretty much? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so well, and also we had Saturday night, all
of us went out to dinner, Saturday night because everybody
was in town.
Speaker 1: So she came for you know, spend the night. And
then we went to the.
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and it was a lot of fun. Our
friend Ryan made an app. He's a genius with computers.
Speaker 1: He made this app where we could gamble against each other,
like a dollar on anything, like the next the next
commercial is going to have you know, big actors in it,
or the next commercial is going to be a computer commercial. Anything,
just whatever, And that was fun.
Speaker 2: I won the squares for the second yet for the
second quarter, i went two hundred bucks cash.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of people there and and then
at the Okay, so Dawn has a hard time walking right,
she's her legs are swollen.
Speaker 1: She has a lot of health issues. We were walking
to the car. It was pitch black on the street
and Mike was in front of her and Mike are
in front of me a couple feet and he was
like holding on she was holding onto him. And then
I'm the one that trips and falls and hits my
head like on some you know those like built in mailbox,
you know things they're like you know when people have
their mailbox that's like built in around like a wall
and then that's the mail whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, and I just my foot got stuck.
I was walking in between the cars and I was
walking on the curb. My foot got stuck and I
just tripped and bam, hit this like the right top
of my head really pretty hard.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, did you see stars?
Speaker 2: I don't didn't see stars because what didn't hit the
front of my head was like the top right side.
And then I was like, oh my god, that really hurt.
And then they helped me up and we got in
the car. We drove home forty five minute drive, and
I was fine, and then but then it kept like
like really and I could feel there was a lump,
and then I was up for a few hours. I
didn't go to sleep right away, and then I went.
Then I went to bed, and I got up a
couple times in the middle of the night, helped Phil
go to the bathroom and stuff. And then the next
morning I did not feel myself, so I got up
to come here and right like what I was leaving,
I was like, whoa, I'm like kind of dizzy and nauseous,
and I was like that's when I called you and
I was like, uh, I don't think I can. I
think I have a like probably a little concussion. And
then I could feel that there was some blood, like
dried blood. I didn't feel it until the next morning.
I think I sent you a picture of my scalp. Yeah,
so it looks like an abrasion, like a scrape. My
scalp was scraped, so anyway, and then you know, then
Wendy was like calling me and like you got to
go to the hospital. You gotta make and I was like,
I looked it up. I chat cheapyte like symptoms of
a concussion. The only thing I had was the dizziness
and the nas the nauseous the next day. But but
then I didn't know if it was because I was hungry,
because I didn't really eat anything, but I didn't feel
like eating anyway.
Speaker 1: I just kind of slept on and off the rest
of the day. And then you know, I was been
sleeping a lot this week. I have to say, like
I've just been feeling tired, But now, like over the weekend,
I feel much better, like back back to my normal self.
So well, there wasn't it when I looked it up.
It didn't say there's there's not really a protocolic at
the hospital, right, there's not really anything they're gonna do.
I guess maybe observe you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the thing, Like, you know, everybody was
talking about Natasha what's her name?
Speaker 1: You know, uh liam E's wife, right, you know, But
I looked her up. She felt fine, but then a
couple hours later she did not feel good. She had
a bad headache. I didn't have that anyway, but I
just I and then Sunny stayed.
Speaker 2: Sonny was in town for Super Bowl, but then he
he emailed his teachers and he only had like two
classes online, so he just stayed the rest of the
week and stayed with me. And yeah, and then now
I'm back and I'm fine. I feel better.
Speaker 1: Yeah good. Yeah, Well John came in and we talked
some politics. Yeah, we annoyed some of our listeners and
others probably liked it. Yeah. I saw a lot of
positive comments on our Facebook page. But we're here's the
thing about us, we've been doing this. I don't know
if people realize this, but kind of a long time,
very long, very long time, and we've gone through phases
where we've cared a lot, what like what our fans think,
and and when you care a lot, people have a
lot of opinions. Yeah, when you stop caring as much.
Like I remember back in twenty sixteen when I was
mortified that Trump was, you know, when he came down
the escalator and made his announcement and it started getting
and I was like, this is fucked up, right, like
this is crazy, and people lost their minds. I remember,
I think we might not have had a Facebook group yet, right,
we might have only had a podcast page. And people
were like, shut the fuck up, stop, I don't give
a fuck about your opinion about politics. And I was like,
holy oh and they're like you stupid lib tard or
like and I was like, oh, I had no idea
that people felt like this. And then I realized, you know,
no offense, but I it because I never thought of
Adam as like super political either way. I just didn't think.
I really didn't think he was. I thought he's more.
I thought of him as more like libertarian, yeah, which
is annoying. Also it's to me people that are libertarian
just have a lot of opinions and are kind of angry,
and that's fine. Listen. I respect a lot of opinions
in anger, and you know, a lot of libertarians are like,
we don't want big government. You know, don't tell me
I have to wear a seat belt. If I don't
want to wear a seat belt, that's on me. And
you know what, there's a part of me that kind
of agrees with that. You know, it's like, do I
think that we need to strap our children in? Yes,
But in my opinion, I kind of get it. Like
if you're like, I don't want to wear a seat belt, okay,
dumb ass, Well that's fine. The only if you're just
gonna hurt yourself, you know. If if you want to smoke,
I guess I don't know if that would be a
liberty like fine, but I don't want to smell the
smoke like at star Books. So I feel like if
Starbucks wants to say no smoking, they're allowed to do
that too, Like, listen, can we all just get along? Yeah?
I didn't realize though, And also, to be fair to
my thinking, that Adam in those days apparently did have
views like pro choice, yes, like some normal views, right. Yeah.
So I loved him on Loveline, and you know, thought
he was I'm just listen. We can talk on Patreon.
But this was my point of view when I started
working with you, right right, Yeah. My point of view
was not, oh my god, this guy's a total douche
and I'm going against my morals working for the company.
My point of view was like he was the funny
one on The Man Show too. I was like John
and I were like, Adam is clearly the one with
the better sense of humor, Like he gets it more.
You know. That's what we thought, having nothing to do
with who got more famous or who's who I But
then over the years, I never got close to Adam
because we weren't like, I never we never saw a
small handful of conversations. One of the longest conversations was
probably on the air, right when he was talking shit,
like telling me why you were wrong about a situation,
and I was very gently going like okay, but could
you kind of see it this way? And he was
like no, no. So then it's during the Trump stuff
I started realizing, Oh, and this is not to say
that he was being a Trumper at the time. It
was just that I started to realize that his listeners
seemed to have a real right wing bent to their politics,
and then I just started to realize, oh that then,
in my mind I kind of chalked it up to
like the listeners of that show and the listen the
listeners had preceded me. I wasn't going to try to
I wasn't going to just be like, no, this is
a political show. I'm going to talk whatever. I'm going
to say whatever I want. I was like, well, you know,
these people are here for you. They liked Teresa kind
of kept things Switzerland, I think, but she wasn't dealing
with the same rash ash shit we are now. But
I was very disturbed by the rise of Trump. You
might say I called it early, and I do remember
this conversation with you before I when I was just
kind of confused, and I was like, you're not going
to vote for Trump, are you right? And you were like, oh,
I'm voting for Hillary. And I was like, Okay, We're cool.
That's fine. We don't need to talk politics anymore. I
know what side here, I know where you are, I
know where your heart is. Blah blah blah. Yeah. Then
I had a freaking kid becoming who he was, and
that was going on, and then I started to be
more sensitive to the views of the right versus the left,
of like who people are allowed to be. And then
we get to a point where almost all of Adam's
views are pretty fucking hard right wing. Yeah crazy right now.
I feel that you got out early before things went
completely off the road. Yeah you say, I would say so, yeah, right.
I mean, but you saw the writing on the wall. Yes, yeah,
but it was it was, you know, way more than
just it just became like politics. It made you. It
was no bad, no, but it was like anger. There
was a lot of anger, yes, bumbling, and it was like,
where is all this coming from? Yeah? So, and where
was it coming from? I don't know. I don't not
have left therapy, I don't know not you know, dealing
with his child. I have no idea, But I wish
that everybody could get some of the tools from twelve
step programs because it really helps, Like even if you're
not an alcoholic, I feel like things that you learn
and it's basically therapy can sometimes be a therapist just
kissing your ass. This is what I find the difference
between like addiction programs and straight up therapy. Every therapist
I've ever had has been like, oh my god, you
poor thing, like that sucks, like your mom sucks, God sucked.
You really had a lot of trauma, you know. And
that's nice, But it doesn't it doesn't get the tools
right right because to really start to have a more
serene life, you have to be able to look at yourself.
It's hard. I don't love being criticized. I don't like
reading shitty things about myself online. I don't like you know,
of course, yeah mean stuff, but for my own personal life,
like for personal relations, getting along with my husband, getting
along with my children. If I can't see when i'm
when my anxiety is causing me to you overreact to
something or whatever it is, or I'm very opinionated, but
I haven't actually looked into whatever it is. I have
to be able to, like look at myself. And I
feel like your ex husband did not get the benefit
by ever being able to go, Hey, maybe I have
a part in why not getting along with my wife? Yeah,
it's not just let me force her into behaving the
way that makes me feel comfortable and abiding by what
I want and go how can I find some compromise
and appreciate her? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I know we went to therapy and everything, but
we got to therapy really late in the game. I
tried very much early on to go to therapy years
and years and years, and it was always met with now,
I don't need we don't need to, I'm smarter than
the therapist and blah blah blah blah blah. And then
when the writing was on the wall, then it was like, okay,
let's go to therapy, and you know, and that was
it was too late.
Speaker 1: That was it, you know, it was it. Yeah, yeah,
we might have a little more to say about that
on Patreon. But the only reason I went that far
afield was to say that back in those days it
wasn't as important. I didn't think it wasn't like I
was trying to make it a political show. So when
people were like, can you not like, could this be
a place where we just have fun, yeah, I was like, yeah,
of course, totally. All right, we'll talk about like true
crime exactly, murder exactly, and listen. I spend a lot
of time listening to news and being informed about what's
going on on my own time, and I also kind
of don't want to have this time be like just
talking about how awful. It is what's going on. So
that's fair. But at the same time, we've been doing
this long enough that I just don't give a fuck anymore.
I'm going to say what I'm going to say. I
have the opinions I have. And if remember back in
the day when I was like, if you don't like
it that I don't like Trump but I'm speaking out,
then don't listen. And then remember that one guy was like,
I'm going to tell Adam that you said that. I'm
going to report you. And I was like, you're telling
people not to listen to your show. That's bad business.
He's going to be so mad at you. And I
was like, okay, good luck with that. He doesn't care. No,
he didn't care. Now, No, he didn't care now. Yeah.
So when John was like bringing up politics, I was like,
you know what this is going to some of the
people that listen to the show are going to be like, no,
thank you, but fast forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fine, that's fine. You know, it's funny. I was
thinking about John. Do you remember then when he and
I were going to do a project together. Yes, on
my Middle Eastern side of the family, yeah, my nephews
and there is Wendy's sister and her husband, Wendy's sister's husband,
where she was Christian and he was is a Muslim,
and they had like eight kids, but mostly boys, and
they all they owned, They owned the body shop, strip clubs,
and then they owned they opened up the pot shop,
and we were going to do like a documentary style
series on the family.
Speaker 1: I remembered so well. And the reason that it didn't
work was, which is so funny, was at the time
that content was like too racy, right, yeah, at the
time a show in a strip club, that's right. Especially,
I wasn't it an all nude strip club body shop?
The body shop was, yeah. But and also pot stuff
was not like it was very new at the time.
I think it was still illegal, it was, yes, So
John was like, it's not selo that going, yeah, even
though it's a great he was so excited.
Speaker 2: Right, And I just remember, like one of the stories
I think he and I were laughing about was the
fact that the boys, the sons, worked at the strip
clubs and they would bring home strippers on Sunday for
dinner and they would the mom would make them eat outside.
She would not let them in the house and so
they would have to like go sit outside and eat
their dinner because she wow, because she was so against
the stripping and the pot store, which made it an
interesting story, very interesting.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's fun. Back then though, Do they still
own it? No? No, no, what happened?
Speaker 2: They all they sold their businesses and now like they're
doing regular restaurants or something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know their still exists though, doesn't it. I
think they sold it to somebody else. Okay, yeah they're not.
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So what's happening? Okay, last I am First of all,
it's annoying when people say this, but I've I'm so tired.
I'm okay right this minute. I did not sleep at
all last night. Really have not been sleeping. Everybody probably
knows I got a dog. Here's how it went down.
You know, John and I have been looking for dogs.
I've been talking about it on and on, and I've
been waiting for John to say like, yeah, Well, Thursday morning,
I woke up in the morning and a picture came
up on my Instagram of this woman named Rita May
Something does photography and she does a lot of shooting
for the different shelters in the area. Some of them
are not quite in the area, a lot of them
are in like land Caster and Palmdale and these and
then nine times out of ten you see that a
rescue sees the post, and a rescue goes and gets
the dog or she also does shooting for the rescues.
So that's pretty cool. So it's some of her posts
that have made me like go and inquire with the rescue.
I've done applications for three different rescues at this point
and been vetted, and you know, like that dog Sissy
was very, very cute. John just wasn't sold and was like,
I don't know if this dog is going to be
destructive when we're not home, blah blah blah. Okay, So
here's what happened. Thursday morning. I'm just scrolling on my phone,
and I see this photograph that I posted of this
dog that was named Adam. It's now named Bobba Loo.
Sob for sure, or LB says Lou or the kids say, Bobby,
we'll see what happened. Yeah, yeah, okay. So I see
this picture and I knew this was John's type of
dog something, and I think it's because probably he looks
a lot like Penelope does, even more so in person.
But I see the picture, I go, oh, my god,
I think this is our dog. And I go John,
I'm not kidding. This is not a trill. I think
this is our dog. I show him the picture and
he goes, oh, that is a really cute looking dog.
That dog looks really sweet, And I was like, yeah,
here's the problem. It's at the shelter and these dogs
that are that cute that are not pipules, because the
pit bulls are no offense. You know, I love me
a panic. Yeah yeah, and this dog might have some
pit in her in him. Whoa gendered my new dog. Okay.
But I was like this suddenly became a rush operation
because I was like, this post already has like thousands
of likes, right, and somebody's going to go to that
and I'm looking in the comments and people are like,
I want to go get this dog, and I was like,
the fuck you are, I'm gonna go get this dog.
So I say to John, oh my god, well you
have to understand that this is if we like this
dog and it's at the shelter, we have to go
get it like today, like this morning. And he's like
he had something else. Shocking because John doesn't usually have
a lot of business outside of the house, happened to
be the one day that he was supposed to be
doing something with his YouTube partner. So I was like, well,
is this shelter close by? No, it was in Palmdale.
Oh boy, it was an hour Okay. So I called
my friend Tamra who did who basically did the same thing,
and she had gotten a dog at the shelter, and
I was like, what do I do? And she goes
call the shelter and see if they'll take a hold
or find out if somebody's you know, find out what
the deal is with the dog. So also, Thursday morning
is when I go feed the day laborers, right, So
I first before I could do anything, I had to
go to Costco pick up my giant pizza order, bring
it over to the guys, feed the guys come home.
Now I'm like, oh, meanwhile, I've called the shelter and
they're like, yeah, sorry, we don't put holds on dogs,
so it's first come, first served, and we open at eleven. Okay,
at this point it's eleven. So I'm like, well, is
the dog still available? And then she looks it up
and she goes, oh, blah blah blah. Adam was the
name of the She goes, Yep, he's still here, but
keep in mind they just opened. Yeah. So I'm like,
do you think the dog's still going to be there,
like if it takes me an hour to get there.
She's like maybe yes, is it worth a try? She
goes honestly, ma'am like, I don't know. I'm not in.
I'm not there. I go Okay, So I go home,
which is like five minutes the other way. John is
trying to rearrange his errand but he I can't get
a hold of his friend. Okay, Now this is how
I know John kind of was into this dog though.
Finally John just goes, do you want to just drive
out to the shelter and I'll take the other car
and go meet my friend. And huh. I was like really,
and he goes, yeah, I trust you. He goes, but
make sure, like we have to make sure this is
a well behaved dog. But there was a video on there,
and in the video you can see this dog was
very subdued, okay, like very sweet. So he's like, I
trust you. Go out there. Okay. So I raise out
to Palmdale and I'm like nervous the whole time because
now I'm feeling like this is a super big competition, right,
I want to beat out these people that I know
want this dog. Right. I pull up and it's all
on you too, with the nobody else with you, You're
by yourself, all on me. Yeah. I run in there.
I get to the desk, I'm like, oh my god,
hi is Adam still here? Here's the number of the dog?
And they look it up and they're like, yep, he's
still here. And I'm like, oh my god, Okay, what's
the deal? Sign? Can I meet him? Can I? You know?
So then she goes, so this is where this is. Okay?
So she does really look at his records. Yeah, So
she starts looking through his medical records, and this is
what I hear, autoimmune disorder, ginger vitis, infection, possible lymphoma.
Oh no, So I'm like wait, whoa wait, wait what Also? Now,
think about this though, if a dog was possibly had lymphoma,
do you think they would be like, hey, this dog's
ready to go home today, right? Probably not. But so
I'm already like that doesn't seem right, you know. So
I'm asking questions and it's a little bit like the DMV.
This woman that I'm dealing with, yeh, does not know
what's going on. It's like, I, yeah, I don't know.
I'm like, read me, what does it say on the records?
And she says, well, the dog has an infection, could
have been from its teeth. It's a stray dog. It
was found in a field. Nobody knows anything about it.
It was not neutered, it had no chip. Nobody came
to claim this dog. Now, if your dog gets loose
in Palmdale, there's one shelter in Palmdale, so that's where
you're going to go. So obviously this dog was not
wanted or hadn't had owners, had no collar, nothing. So
they do like a check on the dog and it did.
It had an In fact, oh, I know, it's lymph
nodes were enlarged. That's where they were saying that could
be the sign of like lymphoma. Although okay, So I'm like, okay,
is the dog on medication? And then she goes yeah,
says they're on medication, and I go okay. Oh, she says,
but they sent out for they did blood work, but
they sent it out but it's not back yet, so
we don't know. So I'm like, well, I can't adopt
a dog that might have lymphoma, Like that's crazy. I
wouldn't be able to, Like, yeah, so how do I know?
Like if I, let's say I fostered the dog, then
could get could that be pending the results of the
blood test? And she's like, yeah, no, if you take
the dog out of here, they're just gonna ki. First
of all, none of this was absolutely was correct. So
I'm like, let me meet. Let me meet this dog
that I just drove an hour to meet. I get
to meet the dog. He's so sweet. So he's with
the volunteer and she walks him out and he just
sits in front of her and stares in her face
and like puts his paw on her lap and holds
pawn her lap, and I was like, have you been
caring for this dog for a while and she goes, no,
just today. I was like, so this dog fast with
its person. She's like yeah. So then she then she
told me that he just got neutered the day before,
and I was like, okay, so he couldn't be that
sick or I don't think you have like neutered him.
And then so then she goes, you know what you
should do because I said, I was like, I'm so
sad because I'm like already a little bit in love
with this dog, but it might have lymphoma. And she goes,
I don't know. She goes a lot of times, that's
just not correct information. She goes, you should go over
their head and ask to speak to a vet tech.
There you go, okay, So I go to the desk,
I go, can I talk to a vet tech? So
they get me a vet tech and he comes out
and he goes over the information and he goes, no,
they don't they don't think. Basically, the blood work did
come back the dog had enlarged lymph nodes, it had
an infection. They treated it with antibiotics. The lymph nodes
are back down, totally back down. He's like the teeth.
They might this dog might need treatment for its teeth.
I'm like, okay, but they I was like, but did
they rule out He's like, but they don't think that
it has lymphoma. They don't think he does. They can't
rule it out one hundred percent because the blood test
doesn't tell you positive or negative for a lymphoma, but
it doesn't the other markers that would mean that are
not there, so it's probable that that's not the issue. Also,
the lymph nodes went back down, so that's a good sign.
It's a good sign. Yeah. I was like, so do
you think I should do you think this dog could
be healthy? Well? It also had a cold, so he's
like I think so you know, And I'm like, good, fine,
Right then I had to do a medical waiver though
to take the dog. Okay, and how old is the dog?
Two years old too? He's two years old. So but
the biggest thing to me was that he was super sweet,
like not like not like my situation with Clyde, where
he was like he just did not he didn't bark,
he didn't make a sound. He was just he's a
little submissive. So but you could just tell his personality
is really sweet. Right, So I'm like, fuck it, I'm
doing it. I fill out the paperwork, I put him
in my car. We go home. He's so quiet in
the car. He just sits on the back seat, he
looks out the window, you know. Uh so sweet. So
we get home and this dog is like not moving
from my side, just wanting to like be pawing at
me and pawing at me. And at first it was
pretty cute, you know, because I'm like, oh my gosh,
he's already bonding with ye, he loves me. And then
fairly quickly I was like, this is not good. I
can't like he has to be on me at all
times and he's a big boy. Yeah, so I tried.
I was like, let me take him for a walk.
Let me let's go around the neighborhood. We went for
a walk. I've already established like some routine like a
walk first thing in the morning, and then like a
walk at noon, a walk at four and then a
walk right before bed. Yeah that's nice, yeah, just to
because because okay, So day two. Okay, so the first night.
Here's here's where here's where things go off a cliff.
Oh gosh. Now, so night one, this dog I don't
think has ever lived in a house, even though he's
really smart and I feel like he learned to sit
very quickly. I kind of taught him sit. Yeah, is
it possible he'd already learned to sit maybe in the shelter, possibly,
but he picks up things pretty quickly. Anyway. Night one,
he we don't have a we didn't a way to
train him yet, right, I didn't even have a dog
bed for him except for Penelope's old bed that we
still had, and he wanted nothing to do with that bed.
I'm sure it smells a lot like yeah, Albee. So
he hopped up on the bed and we had to
like let him stay on the bed. I know that
people are going to be like, that was your first mistake,
but I needed to sleep. Yeah, it had been a
really long day and now it was like late at
night and he wasn't going to sleep, Like he wouldn't
sleep on penelopees beds, So like he wants. He probably
was been you know, alone and scared, and he just
wants somebody wanted closeness. Yes, But so the first night
he was like on top of me and he wouldn't
and he's a little bit scared of John, and I
had to keep pushing him off of me, pushing him
off of me, and I was like, this is not good.
So the next the next day, we established the routine
and I was so tired I barely slept night one. Right,
so Thursday night, So Friday, I'm super tired and getting cranky,
and this dog just on me like glue and having
to be touching me, and we were starting to get
freaked out. So John puts it into chat GPT and
they basically say, like, what do you do? This dog
is super clinging and only wants one person in the
house right chat GPT was like, here's what's going on.
Your dog is panic bonding. Also, we found out that
the dog had been neutered the day before, so we
put that information into and they're like, your dog is
in shock right now. This dog was astray, it lost
everything it knows. It's desperately clinging to what it likes,
this safety, and it doesn't want to be It's not
going to want to be left alone right now. And
it's okay, that's we're gonna here's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna get a crate. We're gonna freight trained the dog,
and that's going to be a safe space and blah
blah blah. So we're like, okay, we're going to get
a crate. So my friend Tamra had a crate. I'm
thinking this is the next day. How much is the dogwigh?
He weighs like sixty seven pounds, like almost seventy pounds.
He's a big boy. Yeah, he's big. He's tall. Andy's
kind of thin right now, so he's going to be
even bigger. It's strong. Okay, So night two, we now
that Chatchypte has talked me off a ledge. Right, this
dog is not always going to be this way, but
this is like an adjustment period. Also, if you're out
there and you're like the rule of three three three,
I know, I know it's going to take three days.
That's why I'm like, we're going to be patient. Night too.
I'm like Bob, I put oh night. By day two,
I had ordered a bed and it had come, so
I had put it next to my on my side
of the bed. The chatchypet said, if if you can't
do a crate right away, put the dog bed on
next to the person that the dog is the most
bonded with, and let the dog sleep in a bed
in their bed next to you. Right, Okay, Well he
just kept jumping up onto the tab next to me,
and then I'd be like no, and I'd tupped it.
But I'm so tired. I'm like on the verge of
tears the whole time. But I finally get him to
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, okay. So I get this dog to successfully
sleep in his bed. He ends up falling asleep in
there and sleeps through the night there in the morning
black I got up to thank him for a walk
in the morning, and then he climbed up into the
bed and because I was I'm still so tired. I
don't sleep well even though he's in his bed. I
just keep waking up and is he is he still
in his bed? Like it's anxiety provoking. Yeah. Then he
gets in the bed and sort of has a little
nap there. But he's better, and he's a little bit
that day. He was a little bit less on me
the whole time, and I kept making little errands and
leaving the house and then coming back. Okay, then not
last night, but the night before, it's going to be
the next night. And I'm like, okay, we're doing this.
He's going to sleep in his bed. You know, maybe
we're good. Maybe we don't even need to crate train
for all. Oh, because John drives out to my friend
Tamer's house and gets a dog. Create for a large dog.
It's not big enough. It's one size too small soul,
it's not big enough for his whole length of his body.
So we have we know we need a create the
next size up. So I start going on Facebook marketplace
and I'm like, I don't want to buy a crate
for like seven dollars. Have it not work? Right? But okay,
So I'm like, well we successfully got into sleep in
bed the night before. Okay, so this is not last night,
but the night before whatever that is sad Is He like,
you know, when he has to go to the bathroom
and stuff. Did so night the next the second day
he peed in the house a little bit the first day,
but he also peed and pooped on his walk. Okay.
The next day he did not poop all day. And
then I left the house and John was in the bedroom.
I left the house and Xander, oh, we went to bed.
Whatever it was. Xander texts me late at night and
he goes, hey, is Bob housebroken? And I was like, uh,
why do you ask? And he goes, well, he pooped
on Sadie's bed. On Sadie's bed. I was like, oh no,
on her bed and pooped all day. He pooped on
her bed. Turned out he pooped on a sweatshirt. Oh
my god. So they just threw the sweatshirt away. Yeah,
and it was fine. The next day he pooped three
times on three different walks and had no accidents in
the house. He loves a ball yard, righting, we have
a backyard, but he doesn't know what to do with it.
He doesn't want to be away from me for one second.
So if I go in the backyard with him, he
just stands by my legs have to be on a
walk for him to like relax, play the bathroom. What
if you will train that out of them? What if
you take him on his leash out into the backyard
and tell him go putty. I try to do that.
Yesterday I was just like all about establishing routine. So
I was like, let's just do these regimented walks so
he knows when you're on your walk, that's when you
go to the bathroom. Right, Okay, So this is on Saturday,
so Saturday night, So Friday night is when he pooped Saturday.
We have routine, routine, routine. All day. Things are going well,
He's getting a little bit less, a little bit less clingy.
Does Jean take him for walks? Yeah, John's taking him
for walks too. Okay. Also, I think because i'd gotten
a little bit more sleep, I was feeling I was
starting to feel slightly better. Almost cocky, if you will.
I think this is gonna work out. Because day one,
after he'd slept in the bed the first night and
just wouldn't not get off of me, I was already
having regret. So I wanted this dog so bad that
I drove all the way. I'm just telling our audience
I'm not. I was having major regrets, and John was
really stressed because he hadn't slept at all, And then
I was feeling guilty, like, what have I done. I've
invited a dog into our home that might have health issues,
might have behavior issues, Like I don't know what the
fuck I was thinking. You know, this is why you
get it from a foster. Now. I know some people
are like, this is why you foster first. I don't
think that's the point. The point is a dog that's
been living in a home and then you kind of
know how they are, right right. On the other hand, Penelope,
apparently Penelope was the same way little Velcrow dog with
the person who was fostering. Right, So I might reach
out to her and ask for some advice. Okay, So
that day I'm feeling a little bit better. I'm like,
oh my god, I feel like this is still a
couple days ago. Yeah, we're still early in this. I'm like, Okay,
maybe we don't even need a create, Maybe we don't
need to spend that money. Maybe we'll see maybe he's
going to sleep next to me in his bed. Yeah,
that's so Sunday, Saturday night, get in bed at the
end of the day, point to his bed. Get in
your bed. Yeah, and he's like, m no, climbs up
on the bed. I'm like, Bob, I get out of bed.
I'm like, no, I'm going to mean business. I'm going
to be like a good doctor, right, I have boundaries.
And I was like, nope, I get out of bed now.
Mind you. I hadn't slept the night before, so I'm
so tired, yes and emotional, and I'm like I stand up.
I'm like, nope, we're going to establish good habits. You're
going to sleep in your bed. I point to the bed.
He gets in it for one second. Then he hops
up to the foot of the bed and jumps up
on the bed again. I'm trying everything, Lynette, I am like,
off off by offering a treat, I'm putting a treat
on the bed. We do this like probably ten times.
Oh my gosh. And then I was like fuck it,
I I can't sleep in the fucking bed.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he sleeps in the bed and does he
sleep on your legs and stuff? Well, this time he
was a little bit better, and he kind of went
to the a little bit more in the middle of
the bed, but he's yes, he has to be touching
me at all times, and I don't it's too much.
It's really not good.
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's gonna last. I think it's
just he's getting acclimated.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, So then last night we were like okay,
So now we were like, we got to get a
we got to get a crate. We got to figure
something out. And I'm not saying that we're going to
put him the crate and lock the door like night one.
We're gonna have to figure out what to do, right.
Also that, So yesterday I go to Petco. I sign
up for obedience classes. Not right away because he's sick
in We're going to start in like two weeks. Oh
that's good. I'm going to do six sessions of classes
and you know, get him like socialized. We're gonna have routine. Yeah. Stuff. Meanwhile,
he has a really bad cold. Have you ever dealt
with a dog with a cold. I can't, I think so.
I think so it's bad. It's I think Phil had
pneumonia or something. Oh remember that? Yeah, yes, and he
was coughing and stuff. Yes, this is Bob. He's coughing
a little sneezing, but also he can't he's his nasal.
He's super stuffy, so he's having to like breathe through
his mouth, and he's like panting and like, oh, poor guy,
like snorting, and it sounds like you're sleeping next to
a very overweight person. Yes, I know, that's what it
sounds like. And it's wet sounding. So then last night,
I mean, I was like, I tried. We didn't have
the crate yet. Okay, so I find a crate on
Facebook marketplace, make a deal forty bucks cash big crate,
but it's not I couldn't get it till this morning. Okay.
So I'm like, I don't know what to do. But
I'm now I'm so tired, right, it's like having a
new board. Is I'm gonna sleeping. I have no emotional resources, Like,
I don't fucking care. It's going to have to sleep
in the bed one more night because I can't with
the with the fighting. I don't know what to do.
I don't know if I'm making it worse. I don't
know if I'm making it better. I read different things online.
Some things are saying like, it's okay for your dog
to sleep, but they're they're scared. They like it's pack behavior,
it helps them feel more secure, but other people are like, no,
it will reinforce separation anxiety. My head is like going
to explite now, and I'm like, I don't know what
to do. So I just get in bed. Last night
and the and Bob gets in bed with me. I
literally did not sleep for one hour last night. Are
you serious that he was on me, snorting, panting. I
was like, my brain was at such high alert. I
couldn't so I would like listen to a podcast and
I'd play a game on my phone and then I'd go, Okay,
I'm gonna fall asleep right now. And then he'd be
like kind of on me and I'd have to push
him off of me, and I just never slept. Oh
my gosh. So I'm so anyway, So this morning, yeah,
we get the crate. Here's the good news. He's not
not going into the crate. He will go in the crate.
He actually went in the crate and laid down, oh
nice briefly, and then came right back out. Okay now uh.
And then John took him out to pee Also it's
tough because today is pouring rain. Yes, so already he's off,
like I took him out just to pee, right, And
John said he took him out to pee right after
I left, and then did he laid down in the
crate with a treat for one second, but then left,
then get out, got out. So I don't know that
I'm going to be able to make him sleep in
the crate tonight. Well what do people do? I don't,
I don't, I can't remember. I think we did have
a crate for Phil. We did, but I think that
was just for when he we were he was left
alone when he was a puppy, right, yeah, But for
the most part, Phil just slept well. When he was
a puppy, he would sleep with the kids, so he
got used to sleeping on the beds, and now he
sleeps on the bed all the time. I wish I
could get him off my bed, but really, yeah, but
he I tried that too. I get the bed next
to the thing. He doesn't. He wants to be next
to me all the time, and so he sleeps with
me and he makes a mess. Like Penelope slept with us.
Penelope slept in her bed because I was really rigid
about it at the beginning. Then like six months in,
John was like, should we just let her sleep in
the bed? And I was like, all right, but she's
never going to not be in the bed after this,
and it was fine, right right, And she's a velcrow
dog too, but she I don't know, but she slept
in the bed and that was it. And I think
he needs to.
Speaker 2: I think he's still he's not feeling well and he's
probably traumatized, and he is trying to bond and he's
going to chill out.
Speaker 1: Though I don't think he's going to always be this way.
I really don't. The problem that could happen is if
we let him sleep in the bed and he feels
that the only real way he feels comfort is when
he's in contact with me. The problem with that is
that he's then going to be really insecure and have
bad abandoned, like like we won't be able to leave
the house, like he'll cry, you can cry and get
destructive if I'm not home or if if no one's home, right,
And the other which filled is that he becomes he
feels that I'm his property, like he's in charge of
me yeah, I'm his right, I'm his person and nobody
is allowed to like get near me or like you
don't even has he acted out like that? No, but
he's been with us four days, you know, five days. Yeah,
I don't think he's got that. It doesn't sound like
he'd made you know, some dogs maybe have that personality.
It doesn't sound like this dog has that kind of personality. Yeah.
Probably you would have probably seen anxiety thinking, yeah, no,
making me crazy. No, I don't think you have to
worry about that.
Speaker 2: I just think he's traumatized and he's bonding and he's
getting acclimated.
Speaker 1: He doesn't feel good.
Speaker 2: I think once he figures out that this is his
home and he gets and he's happy, and he's used
to being with John when you're not there, and he
used to be with the kids and you're you know,
and he gets used to it.
Speaker 1: He's not used to it yet. Probably's like where am I?
I don't think he's always going to be this way?
I guess not. But what do I do about the sleeping?
The sleeping thing? Sleep? He okay? In case anybody's wondering,
he does have a vet appointment, of course, but it's
not till tomorrow morning. So that was the earliest we
could get because by the time I was trying to
get the appointment, it was the weekend, and then today
is a holiday. So they were like, we can see
you first thing Tuesday morning, and then we'll do blood work,
our own blood work. You have to do all that
to get insurance. Okay, yeah, yeah, and then if he
has a cold. I tried. I went in the shower
this morning, I put the all the hot water on
and I brought him in the bathroom with me and
I shut the door. So that's nice steam and mu steam.
But I don't know if it did anything. They didn't
give you any medicine for his cold. No, And he
just finished around of antibiotics like he'd taken his last
one the day before I got him, and he just
said surgery. Yes, yeah, he's going through a lot right now.
It is he is. I think you just have to
give him time. He's gonna be okay, Okay.
Speaker 2: I always I know, Phil was like a nut job
and like, is he always going to be this way?
Is every time we left, he punished us for leaving
the chew shit up, you know, swallowing socks and stuff
like is he always going to be in and he
got he was a puppy still too though, like we
got him he was four months. But he grew, you know,
he grows out of it and then they chill out
and they figure out who's who around the house and
you know what they can get away with, who they
can get away with stuff, you know, and he needs
to get accom It's only been a couple of days.
Speaker 1: I know what it feels like a lot. It's so
you need sleep. I'm not phase though of just like
this is not fun, this is nothing but hard. I'm
not seeing it's like when And I really was reminded
of when I had a baby. And if I'm being
completely honest, which I am and which we have been,
I didn't not like having a baby. I really felt
like I fucked up and I had I was like
I understand why people like abandon their like why people
are like, yeah, it's sorry, it's right for me. I've
had all these thoughts of like I can't do it,
Yeah I cannot. I will not survive sleep deprivation. I can't.
I felt that I say, don't love this baby, like
I will protect her and I'm worried, but it was
all I felt was anxiety. And that's what I'm feeling
with the dog. Like I'm not feeling the bonding feeling.
I'm feeling like I'm feeling suffocated, like, oh my god,
this is twenty four to seven. And when I'm home,
it's relentless, Like he is relentless with me, like if
I'm sitting at my desk, his paws or on my
lap and like he's pawing at you, yeah, pawing at me,
and I have to keep going off, like and taking
his legs and putting him on the floor and I'm
just like, m pawing at me gently. Yeah yeah, but
like it's sweet, but it's not feeling. I'm not feeling
like my heart is not melting.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling like, oh my god, right, give me a minute. Yeah,
I think it's gonna be. I think he just needs
to acclimate. And maybe the more you're away from the
house and he gets to see that you do come
back and stuff and he bonds with other like John
and the kids and stuff, that might help too.
Speaker 1: Oh you don't think I was so excited to come
here today. I was like, yes, three hours out of
my fucking house. Yes, please, good luck? Yeah right right, yeah, yeah,
I think he's got it. He's just got to get
used to it. And and he's not feeling good. He's
got to get his medication. I know, he's probably not
feeling good. I know. And when they make like dog
cold medicine though, I know, I mean, you will put
him on another antibiotic. Maybe I know that they can
they can take benadryl and stuff. Yeah, that's true. Yeah,
I can just see what the vet says first, seeing
a really good vet. It's going to cost a lot
of money, but it's kind of she's kind of a
famous vet. And remember I told you that our vet
doctor Swan, who I'm obsessed with, we got because we
went to this clinic because because I looked up clinics.
This was with Penelope, that we're taking dogs in the
office post COVID because all these veteran veterinarian clinics were like, oh,
still COVID. No, it's not I it's twenty twenty two. Yeah,
relax right, like and they're like, oh, yeah, you can't
come in the office. It's a COVID. I'm like, oh,
is that it or is it just fucking easier for you.
We're parked in our stupid cars in the right waiting,
I know. And Penelope did not like the vet shocking,
you know, but wouldn't walk with anybody, so I would
have to walk with her her into the vet, and
I was like, why isn't there a vet that you
can be in the room with them? I understand you're
not going to be in the room when they're doing treatment,
but you know the office, you see the vet. So
I found this place, Charziana Pet Clinic, and they were
like I called them and they're like yeah. I'm like,
but wait, you can come inside and really the vet
and they're like yep. And I was like, okay, you
do realize a lot of places won't do it because
of COVID and they're like yeah, they're trying to save money,
right right. Anyway, So I found this vet, but the
famous vet at that clinic was like was not available.
So they put me with somebody who's not listed in
a lot of the reviews and he was the best. Yeah,
and now we're obsessed with him, but he's out of
town at like some conference like learning a good vet,
continuing his education like a dumb mouse.
Speaker 2: You're already a VET, right, I relax, Yeah, can't you
use CHEPT for that shit?
Speaker 1: Totally best practices on. You're good, fine, you're doing fine,
stay in town. But they're like, oh, you're going to
see this other VET named doctor doctor Goasmer. And I'm like, oh,
she's famous, that's great, that's cool. Nice.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you'll get a lot of answers to
tomorrow from the VET. But so you got the crate,
you do need to get sleep and what if I
don't know what they how they do the crate thing?
Are you supposed to close it at night and have
them just sleep?
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. You're not supposed to do the
crate right away where you close the door, because they're
supposed to make a positive association. So what you don't
want to do is be like, I know, you make
you sleep on the bed, but now you're locked in
the crate and then have them trying to get out,
and you're supposed to lock close the door, but only
for like a few seconds. If they feel like they
want to come out, you open the door right away
so that they know this is their own free will.
You want that to feel like a safe space. But
I don't know how that's supposed to work. If the
dog wants to sleep on the bed, how does that
kind of to picture this dog going like, you know what,
it's great, it's so pimped out. I love it so much.
It's like I thought I wanted to sleep in bed
with you, But now that you've shown me this cage
with some blankets in it, I'll take that. Yeah, now,
I know, I know, I think though you have to
keep I don't what do I know, I'm not I
know it, I know, but right at least put the
bed back next to me.
Speaker 2: Try out again, keep up with the bed, just keep
up and maybe during the day, like get on the bed.
And then if he gets up on the bed, no no, no, no,
go back down, like teach him like he's not supposed
to come up on the bed, Like I'm on the
bed right now, but Bob, you've got to be down
here right.
Speaker 1: So far, what I've done is just confuse the fuck
out of him, yeah, and not have any boundaries.
Speaker 2: And go like, no, you're not on the bed, all right, right,
That's what happened to Phil. Phil went even went to
obedient class as soon as he got back. Everybody told
him different things. So he's like, I'm just gonna do
whatever I want. I'm gonna tell you a little call
um be right, and then do whatever the.
Speaker 1: Funk I want exactly exactly and then have callum c Basically, yeah,
I want the shrimp cham Mayne. That's like, I know,
it costs extra care, exact Phil. You can have beef,
you can have chicken. Have a combo. Right, Okay, let's
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kind of religion, no dogma. So if you're looking for
something like that, listen to Family Skeptical. If you're in
Palm Springs or Palm Desert, go to Wilma and Frieda
and get some salmon. I'm choking. Oh no, that's drinking
my water. Sorry, I turned your microphone off for a second.
Kaylee Pettis is a licensed marriage and family therapist in Seattle,
and she sees clients virtually. I'm turning your mic back
on if you want to say anything, okay, across Washington state.
But she can help you anywhere across Washington virtually, or
she's in Seattle. Emerald Bloomtherapy dot com. And uh, Jacob
Crowley ac l u you guys drop twenty bucks, will you? Yeah,
don't be an asshole, don't go check him out? Yeah,
thank you Jacob? All right? And oh and every episode
Adam Lerner, Adam's got a car. He got us our car,
he got you your car. I got Julie Kasum a car.
He gets everybody cars and it makes it so easy. Yes,
Adam's got a car dot com. All right, thanks everybody.
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