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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I am Dana Valley coming at

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you with the One the Only, mister mort Jensen of

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the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of HBO

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Speaker 2: Of only Fans celebrity.

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Speaker 1: We are here slightly earlier that we anticipated, at least

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per the schedule on a live stream, because I did

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not realize that opening tip is coming in less than

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ninety minutes of the NBA Cup Quarterfinals between the Magic

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and the Heat.

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Speaker 2: How topical. Though, moret that, we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Questions we have for every Eastern Conference team as we

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get ready for the unofficial start of trade season, which

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happens December fifteenth, when a bunch of the league is

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eligible to be traded. Our questions, I am sure, will

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run the gamut of the low hanging fruit, the tax questions,

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the trade targets, what that they need. There'll be other

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stuff mixed in. This is a great exercise to just

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cover every nook and cranny of our curiosity before we

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get started, though, I have one important question before we

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ask many more questions, lor how the heck are you

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doing doing well?

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Speaker 2: Sir? Can complain? Look, it's getting close to tip off time,

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so like we have to get started. We're going through

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fifteen teams. Can we agree right off the bat though,

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that some of them don't really have that big questions

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like going into the trade season. Uh, like the Pacers,

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like we really there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the problem is is that I've thought about

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all of these teams for way too long, and so

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like I probably have like a lot of like many

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'd be like the the Pracers have some

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the Pracers have some stuff that they need to figure

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out with the way that ben Beneic Mathren might be

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playing too, so that would be something else to consider.

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How do you want to do this? Let's determine this live.

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Would you like to just pick which teams we go through?

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It you want to go in alphabetical water, which you know?

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I actually think we should go from the top down

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in terms of like records, like we start with the

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Pistons and then the Knicks, Celtics and so on. All right,

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welcome to the Pistons. What is your what? What are

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you asking about these Pistons more? What my question is? Yeah, right,

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do they have enough floor spacing to really become like

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a legitimate you know Finals contender. Do they have that

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guy or not just that guy? Do they have enough

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collective shooting rather to come in and make a difference

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in the playoffs and go the distance because if not,

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that is going to be a trade issue come trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think mine would be some variation of the same.

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It's more so how aggressive should you be at the

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trade deadline? Is now the time to go for it?

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I do have some of the same concerns that you would.

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They are fourteens in first chance offense per possession, and

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so if you like filter, that's filtering out the offensive

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rebounding element. And I'm very curious to see how offensive

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rebounding will translate to the playoffs this year given what's

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the is like just a bigger time emphasis from so

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many more teams. But some of the things we've seen

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in the past is if you have a team that

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is very reliant on offensive rebounding or getting out in transition,

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they can become over the course of an entire series,

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a little bit easier to guard in the playoffs, especially

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if they have spacing liabilities. Multiple spacing liabilities is part

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of those lineups. The Pistons would seem to fall into

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that bucket. They're also twenty seventh in three point a

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temp to eight and nineteenth and three point percentage. I

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do think, you know, Kate Cunningham probably belongs in.

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Speaker 2: The back end of MVP ballots. He's gonna make an

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All NBA team.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they have an offense in the seventy

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six percent tile and he's on the court really is

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a testament to him. But they're about league average when

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he's off the court, but they drop all the way

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to the fourteenth percentile when they don't have Duran or

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Cad on the court. And that's actually a pretty sizable

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sample because durn and Cad like Durran's playing most of

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his minutes alongside Kate. So that's just I think what

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they need because you look at what Dern has done

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as a creator this year, what Kate does in general,

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and then just the floor spacing element. I know they've

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had j and Ivey's back, He's had some encouraging moments.

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Donnas Jenkins been a nice little story for them. But

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it feels like, and correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: When you look at this.

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Speaker 1: Roster, it's can they upgrade from the at the force.

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don't think Jaye and Ivey's going to be enough, We don't.

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Speaker 2: Like the you know, the carousel Burt in the playoffs. Fit,

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do we go out and get another ball handler? First

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and foremost, I would just ask the question to the Pistons,

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why are you so out on the Jade and Ivy experience?

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think they deserve or he deserves, and frankly, Kate Cunningham

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deserves a fair shake of that those two guys playing together.

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back for what eight or nine games they're about, and

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been pretty bomb so far. Yeah, I like that FIT,

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I truly do so. I would be surprised if they

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go that route, but if they do, make sure they

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get a knockdown shooter even more than just because it

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feels like I almost feel like that they are a

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bit of a version of like an early two thousand

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team where everyone has like a very distinct role and

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then there's like one guy on the team who's like,

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you're the shooter, like Duncan Robinson and that's about it.

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That doesn't really track in twenty twenty five and soon

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in twenty twenty six, Like you can't have just that's

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the shooter in sincular that doesn't work. So I think

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we need to look at some potential upgrades there. But

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like it's also difficult because you can't relinquish some of

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the big guys or like some of the most important

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defenders like Oscar Thompson for example. I'm I'm just not

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willing to move him for just someone who can shoot

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the ball, because he does so many things for you defensively,

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playmaking wise, on thee. So it just becomes this balance

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of trying to figure out who are we willing to

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pivot off from and who are we willing to perhaps

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attach picks four to come in and become a game changer.

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So I do I anticipate them making a deal, not

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necessarily do. I think it will be malpractice to not

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at least have some conversations behind the scenes. Absolutely you

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what do you make? I think everyone has kind of

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pegged the Lowry market In as the best target for them.

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I love his fit.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and this is it doesn't just apply

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to the Pistons, But I don't know that I and

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throwing the kitchen sink to get Larry marketed.

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Speaker 2: On this team?

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Speaker 1: Is I'm not as partial to Jade and Ivy as you,

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so if the Jazz for some reason wanted him, but

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that I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not giving up a star Thompson and a Larry

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market introest. No, that would be.

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Speaker 1: But and it's also just is that the guy you

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want to spend However many first round picks on too.

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Speaker 2: So it depends on the amount of picks I would.

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Speaker 1: Which is I think more than two is where you

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get into the territory of this is the hashtag go

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for it move, and that would be That's kind of

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the question that follows up all of our questions is

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do you think this Pistons team is one good enough

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that this is the right time for them to hashtag

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go for it? Or is or should they be more

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so looking at slow pelling it kind of like the

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Rockets did. Letting this season play out and then you

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revaluate over the summer. My answer to answer my own

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question would be, or maybe this is more of a

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prediction is I could probably see them making more of

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like a medium size movie where they're not like, do

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they go out and try and get a Michael Porter junior.

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they have this huge expiring contract that they could attach

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picks to over the summer. That feels it feels like

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they will take the middle ground, sort of like they

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did last year when they went out and got Dennis Shrewder.

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Speaker 2: So I was while you were talking, I was looking

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for a trait that specifically tailored to your point in

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regards to Laurie Markington, because I did like a trade

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pod on my Danish podcast specifically with Lord Marketing to

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Detroit in mind, this is the framework I came up with,

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and it's like, you set the picks, like if you

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go up beyond two. However, Tobias Harris Caris Lavert twenty

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wonder because you're not relinquishing that level of talent to

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get him in. Does that not make it potentially worth it,

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because like the twenty twenty six pick is not gonna

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be attractive, Like that's a pretty low one that's probably

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gonna end up in what the mid to late twenties anyway,

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twenty twenty eight presumably not that you know high have

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where that's really the one thing that the Jazz can go,

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Speaker 1: Here's here's where I'm struggling is because look at how

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much Lowry Marketing makes And then you know that you're

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gonna have to play Jail and Duran a ton. If

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you also think are you're gonna be paying Jade and

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Ivy the salary structures for them just start to get

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Speaker 2: You don't want this.

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Speaker 1: Team to get too expensive too quickly, because we just

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whatever to keep it together. But all of a sudden,

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now are you going into next season staring at the

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barrel of Larry Marketing forty quass million? Jail and Duran,

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what is he gonna get close to the mass at

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Speaker 2: Then it's gonna be it's not gonna be that expensive.

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it's it's a restrictive he's a restricted free agent, Dan,

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we know those guys get squeezed a ton there totally them,

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like right now, they're not playing them all that much.

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really expect to go out in the open market and

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get a ton? Like if I'm if I'm a young

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and up and coming team, I'm definitely looking into the

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Jade and Ivy situation. Don't get me wrong, I would

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be very high on that idea. But a lot of

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teams go into restrict or not restrict just free agency

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with the mindset of, oh, we want to improve right now.

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We're not looking to something you know, far ahead. Maybe

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he gets squeezed a fair bit, like there's a chance

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that could get him back at a decent sized contract

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that is like good for them. It seem friendly contract.

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Speaker 1: Even if it's team friendly. Though, you're looking at a

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team where if you're let's just if we're penciling in

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it is too conservative and say Jail and durn at

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thirty five million. Okay, now you have paid at fifty,

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you're at eighty five. And if you have lowry marketing

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on top of that, at what is he going to be?

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Speaker 2: So you're now.

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Speaker 1: Gepping into what one hundred and thirty just to those

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three guys anything you pay, and with by the way,

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Asar Thompson's next deal coming down the pipeline too, And

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I just worry again if it was, if you know

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that you think you can juggle it financially for the

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next I don't know, three to five seasons or a

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lot of markets dealsn't even last that long. But I

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would just be worried that you're giving up all these

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picks and you're also boxing yourselves into a financial quarter

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that is going to come back to bite you or

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for some tough decisions. Maybe not next year for me.

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Speaker 2: Well, So I understand your point, but I do think

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now is the time to do something because that Tobias

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both Jayden and Jalen are going into restrictive free agency,

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so they're going to be well, at least Jalen is

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going to come back at a very expensive deal. But

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this is the final trade deadline that they have where

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they have significiking financial flexibility. Is kind of my point here.

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So that's why I'm not out on the lowie marketing

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experience and whatever. Plus marketing has been like low key

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excellent this year, Like I'm under off a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit, but yeah, it's it's just yeah, so, uh, would

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you rather throw you're building your the offer that you

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just built out for lowry marketing? Doesn't make more sense

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to spend that on a lowry marketing or should they

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be a Trey Murphy team who is substantially cheaper.

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Speaker 2: That would be interesting. I don't hate that, I think I.

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Speaker 1: Guess what I'm getting at with my point is that

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they need to if they're gonna go for it, I

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think they're good enough to at least consider it, have

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a conversation. But if they're gonna go for it, and

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that it's gonna be someone like a marketing who is

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either on the books for two plus years at a

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huge clip or you know you're gonna have to pay

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him at a huge clip. You're like, you kind of

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need to be sure and otherwise you do need to

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be more cognizant. All right, well, how much is this

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guy making now?

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Speaker 2: Now and moving forward? Do you think Troy Weaver and

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Joe Dumorris would ask the Pistons how many picks they

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have to attach to get Tobias Harris.

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Speaker 1: They might really want, weren't they. They're Troy Weavers, the

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front office that drafted Jay and Ivy.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they really want Jay and Ivy. That would see see,

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now we have the ankle and Joe obviously has the

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ties to Detroit. So hey, that's not a bad one.

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Like just call them up Tobias Harris for Trey Murphy.

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You win. You see what they say? What they say?

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Just ask you questions of any of the players we've named,

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have they've been This is when you're going into these negotiations.

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You're not looking at us R. Thompson as someone you're

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willing to give up for any of these guys. Correct, no, no, no, out,

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good enough, do you think that they'll oldly make a

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gone after the summer. So I no, I think they're

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Speaker 1: I'll respect it too. Especially the East is wide open.

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Speaker 1: See, the East is wide ass open right now.

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Speaker 2: How's this for a segue? The knicks are not the prohibited.

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Neither the Nixon nor the Cavaliers have established themselves of

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this prohibited favor to come out of the East.

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Speaker 1: I think if you picked either one of them to

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come out of the East, you don't need to change

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your pick right now. I don't know how good you're

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necessarily feeling about your pick. You probably feel a little

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bit better about the Knicks than the Cavaliers.

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Speaker 2: My question for the Knicks more, what do they need

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more a bigger wing, another rib protector or backup ball

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handler slash point guard HiPE.

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Speaker 1: I have an answer, but I want to ask you

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the question.

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Speaker 2: Oh I oh, that's a good one. So I don't

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the first one you brought up, like another big wing. No,

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I'm okay with Josh hart Mchal Bridges and oh Jannanobia.

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I'm I can live with that. I'm gonna say ball handling,

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backup ball handling guard. I understand like the appeal having

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another rim protector just defensive for defensive purposes in the playoffs,

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but you can just We've seen time and time again

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in the playoff situations that when you lose capable of

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ball handlers, your offense just dies. It dies, It just

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jumps off a cliff. So I'm going to say having

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another ballhandler, because as much as I love Duce McBride,

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I don't necessarily think that he's quote unquote like a

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reliable table setter in that regard. Fantastic three point stroke

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this year, by the way, Worth you know keeping that

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in the back of their mind strong defender. Who is

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that guy who's going to basically run the show if

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Jalen goes down for a couple of games. This is

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a titled collag Josh Hart Jordan Clarkson. None of those

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options as of right now, to me, appear particularly attractive.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of the points you made were

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necessarily wrong, but I'm want to tell you why you're

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wrong about what they need most because one, this is

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how I view it.

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Speaker 2: You could talk about the need for the offense has been.

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Speaker 1: Like they can slug it out without Jallen Brunton on

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the court in the regular season. If you lose Jalen

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brun Sand, your regular season's over, your playoffs are over.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not going to care about that.

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Speaker 1: Right they need another big wing in the single worst way,

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and you could make the case for a rim protector,

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but that is just a huge ash and huge ass

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indictment of the way you have built out your front court.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 1: The whole idea was we have Yabu and Mitchell, Rominson

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and Carl the towns are gonna be big in versutile

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one big lineups, two big lineups, Yabucelli. He's had some

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moments recently. He has been mostly but for this team,

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Mitchell Robinson on the load management plan has had. He

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came up pretty big for in that win over Orlando

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where Franz Wagner went down. They wily need n against

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bigger matchups. The offensive rebounding is great.

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Speaker 2: He's actually not been that good on defense this year.

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Karl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 1: We know what Karl Anthony Towns is on the defensive end.

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I just don't if you're getting a rint protector, are

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they gonna be on the floor in frunch time? And

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even if they're not, how many minutes are they playing

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when you have those three, Well maybe you're giving up

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Robinson or jab Bucelli to get them. I look at

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this as this defense right now can really not function.

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Speaker 2: Without ogn Andobi on the court.

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Speaker 1: That is problematic in all sorts of ways because the

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Knicks really don't have a ton of wing depth. They

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have og An Andobie, Michal Bridges, Josh Hart.

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Speaker 2: That is a hit. They're not playing the hamat Dijara.

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Speaker 1: Intriguing defensively for sure, but going Dottie not even sure

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if Mike Brown knows his name right. The problem becomes

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they have two kind of like bigish wings and really

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only one, and it's in Ananobe where Michael Bridges is.

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You don't want him to do any of the low

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man stuff. But him and I oh Jannanobi's they can

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both still in the gaps. That's not Josh Hart can

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do some of that, but he's also not He's six'

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five or whatever is he's not. Big AND i look

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at this to say you need another. Body it's not

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gonna be someone.

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Speaker 2: You expect to clothes.

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Speaker 1: Lineups you don't have the assets to go out and

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get just this awesome player that is going to play

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a ton of minutes for. You but can you GET

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i brought this name up a ton.

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Speaker 2: Justin champagne from The.

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Speaker 1: Wizards can you get maybe Even Io.

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Speaker 2: Desumu is on the smaller. End do you have the

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assets to go out and get? You you're talking about, wings,

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Right i'd Assume loo can guard up is at least a.

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Point so, WELL i, mean come, on if you're sitting

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there talking about like we need a, wing there's need

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a big. Wing here's here's six foot Four, iodasumu who's

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like more of a point. Guard come, on come, on

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LIKE i think that's not, him think. Bigger if we

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gotta go, WING i can, LOOK i, CAN i can

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see your. POINT i don't disagree with. You but then

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let's think a little bit outside the. Box let's think

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about someone who's at least like six' eight, six' nine can,

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play the three can. Play the four.

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Speaker 1: Then go get him as even if they are, a

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defensive specialist because they don't have the access to go get.

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Anywhere somewhere else, but you also you know if You're,

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gonna be also the hour consumable thing is you're trying to.

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Bridge two gaps as you get some ball handling there,

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and then someoney you can at least throw on, some

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tougher coverages and he can guard the, point of Attack

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Which ensures michel bridges Doesn't have to.

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Speaker 2: So the, POINT of attack I agree with he's. Pretty

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good there it's. The other stuff i'm probably a little

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bit more. Worried ABOUT defensively.

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Speaker 1: But i think because of how dependent You are og

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ananobe to cover up for, everybody right now you need

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to get ready, in THE event because i think you

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could make THE case and i probably Even Would that

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ogi ananobe is the single most irreplaceable Player on the.

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Speaker 2: Knicks right Now That. Includes jalen, brunson oh, wow oh

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okay just in terms of with Like, the fab briac

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the two Way play.

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Speaker 1: All rock, In the chat Nicks. Need herb jones they

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just don't have the. Assets For him herb jones.

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Speaker 2: Would. Work too yeah the problem is when you're looking for,

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a bigger wing they're gonna be in the dregs of

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the league because they just don't have the assets to

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do like.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, THEY could again i wouldn't even be in. Love

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with this he's never been great against bigger. Players like

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you maybe You can Get mattistible from portland if you're.

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Step LADDERING salaries So I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, mark jackson oh he really hasn't, been good defensively

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but He also the grizzlies seem out on him, in

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general totally and he was like at least very good

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in this rookie, year offensively, defensively you know he was.

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Really a rookie but.

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Speaker 1: He does seem the Quintessential Guy that mike brown would.

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Speaker 2: Not Play like the.

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Speaker 1: Nicks have not developed like, He's a guy he's. A,

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developmental guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's true that is.

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Speaker 1: What About again naji marshall would work For, them.

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Speaker 2: To yeah that would be that's. A good name what six? Six?

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Six seven right oh god? Is any bigger, by the

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way kids today have ruined. That for me just, play six.

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Seven he's sixth.

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Speaker 1: They they have a six to seven pm now in

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some OF the arenas i see IT On The nba,

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LEAGUE pass broadcast I get and i have never felt

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more WASHED than when i see those.

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Speaker 2: Things come up he's as sex, By the way so,

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take that. Kids, six nine yeah oh he's a big wing. In,

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that way yeah SO that but i think they need

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that because you want to be if you're gonna have

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one and a lot of the times Two Of kar

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Anthony towns And jail and brunson, on the court you

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don't want to be as Beholden to off ojiananoby's injured

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or we. Just like you you just need another big

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wing to paper over Those Minutes that oji annoby's not.

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On THE court because i think as of right now

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you listed things.

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Speaker 1: They Could do if jalen runs it is catching a

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breather or, he's out right You Could, try josh Hart, try.

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Speaker 2: Mcal bridges You Do.

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00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: Have tyler kohlik the other thing Here, is if ogianinoby

473
00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:51,400
Let's just, say ojiannaoby's healthy but he's playing thirty five

474
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,000
minutes a game, in, the playoffs whatever it's one of

475
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:54,400
those those eight, minutes a game he's.

476
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 2: Off the court you don't.

477
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: Want mckel bridges You Don't want josh hart doing the

478
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,920
Same things. That, ogiananobi does no you're not going To

479
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,759
get og anobi in, some cheap guy but just to

480
00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:06,079
have that type of body to throw out those type

481
00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:07,880
of assignments to do some of the lower man.

482
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,799
Speaker 2: STUFF as well i think that's their.

483
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,279
Speaker 1: THEIR biggest need i honestly think that wing depth has

484
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,640
been it's because they have these big names at The,

485
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,640
top towards oh this isn't going to, be a problem

486
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,519
but this is, assuming fantastic health which when it comes

487
00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:24,519
To og, an andobe specifically we really can't.

488
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,599
Speaker 2: Just presume THAT and so i think that's. THEIR biggest

489
00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:29,039
need i think everything we.

490
00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: Talked about, is a need which is kind of Just

491
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:35,200
why the knicks might feel a little bit unconvincing at

492
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,519
this point as a as, a you know bring to.

493
00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:41,039
Speaker 2: The crop contender i'm not sure how they go, about

494
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,079
acquiring him because you will have to Give up Probably,

495
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:52,559
josh or mitch either. One OF. Them p j washington

496
00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:56,559
would slide, right into this be, trained this year. All

497
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,359
the extension. Damn that's, true oh damn oh. Yeah about

498
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,200
it you thought all Rock One. SVAN grant williams I Don't.

499
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,519
HEALTHY grant williams i don't think does enough Of, What

500
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:10,079
they honestly i'd probably rather have mckel bridges guarding like

501
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,000
bigger wings around the Basket Than thank grant williams. At

502
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,519
this point, so you, see he's overpaid so that's why he.

503
00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:21,200
Will come, cheaply but again this is where it's tough

504
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,079
to actually get rid of guys who do who you

505
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:26,799
know does. A Good Job but patrick williams would fit. Like,

506
00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,839
the salaries, sir, no, no, no no no, sir no.

507
00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:32,960
No no no he's. A big wing he can at

508
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:36,440
least shoot the ball. A bit defensively he's actually probably

509
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:42,160
what you're looking for, in, THAT role right i probably.

510
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,599
Speaker 1: Want someone better how much do you trust him? IN

511
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:46,480
that role i mean he's.

512
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,559
Speaker 2: GONNA come in i trust him every year. Nine and

513
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,599
four i'd. Like my night my life depended on it

514
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,519
because that's just, what he does nine and four for

515
00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:59,319
the win. Every single time? DO we think i just

516
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,920
Don't think they why would they trade him to? A

517
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,960
running weight that's is that the, archetype, of player right

518
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:05,640
someone who's not?

519
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: Using it right IT could like I think af bogie

520
00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:12,039
would be like the most realistic OR even As, i

521
00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:15,400
MENTIONED champagne who i still, believe is underrated. That feels

522
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:19,000
realistic and maybe guys who might Actually play a bogi's

523
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,480
on his. Rookie scale deal but you kind of have

524
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:23,680
proof of the concept concept. From last year it's also

525
00:25:24,079 --> 00:25:26,839
those guys are in the realm of. THEIR trade assets

526
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:29,799
I Just, mentioned dean Wade assuming that cow's are even willing,

527
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:31,680
to move him like you're probably Are You in dean

528
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,000
wade asset territory If. YOU'RE the knicks i have Seen

529
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,960
a little knicks fans have been minie smitten with the

530
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,680
idea of like Aduced McBride for. TARRY eason SWAP i

531
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,480
don't i guess.

532
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: You can get on, board WITH that but I do

533
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,519
what I will caution i will if you're you're gonna

534
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:51,839
get way more expensive than after this because the deuce is.

535
00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: On another team, controlled THE year and i, Think THAT

536
00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:57,880
so like i know he's gonna need, an extension eventually

537
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,960
but that's something you.

538
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: Have TO reconcile and i also would be curious to see.

539
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:06,839
Speaker 1: Like you're Getting rid, of duce McBride which Has insulated

540
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,119
Mchel bridges and ogiannobi against defending at the point of

541
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,519
attack as often as they, did last year which has

542
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,480
allowed them to. Play the gaps Do You trust tarry

543
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,920
easton to defend exclusively at the point Of Attack?

544
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: IN new york i think, you probably.

545
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: Could but he's been someone who's dealt with his. WHOLE

546
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:25,279
health issues I think the rockets would. Be the team

547
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,000
this is all to say that would most likely say.

548
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,799
No to that with The Emergence, OF reed shepherd i

549
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:30,839
know They're missing bread Van's lead, and douce McBride as,

550
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,759
you pointed out he's not like that conventional. Guard type

551
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,279
anyway but if they're worried about their payroll and they

552
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:38,279
know that he's only on the books for four million, bucks,

553
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:42,119
next year maybe but that's The idea that knicks fans seem.

554
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: To want to. Go, Through it look i'm in the

555
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:49,359
camp of, wanting another ballhandler not another wing But if,

556
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:52,400
at Duce McBride as harry easton trade is in, any

557
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,319
way feasible you take that and You Run like tarry

558
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,519
easton to me is one of the most underrated players. In,

559
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:03,880
the league, yeah you absolutely absolutely. FREAKING do that i

560
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,160
would be in the camp that would be a little

561
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,920
bit more hesitant than. You would be you're also you're

562
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,119
you're you're. A safety guy dan. A safety Guy, but

563
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,359
he's look he's done with issue.

564
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,799
Speaker 1: Stuff stuff Too and then i'm just wondering how Much

565
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,319
or the knicks will want to pay to keep this

566
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:16,960
corn place.

567
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: After the season he's. Wondering too much, lean, Into life sir.

568
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:23,000
Lean into life who you think would be more likely

569
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:24,920
to say no? To, That Trade though like houston just,

570
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,799
shuts It down and houston immediately should. SHUT it Down i,

571
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:30,119
love Duce McBride but. TARRY e isn't. I think again

572
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,000
i also Feel as though houston went in. The wrong

573
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:37,000
Direction They Extended jabari smith Junior instead. OF tarry's night

574
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:39,920
i think. SORRY is better i think he was the

575
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,880
one who should have been. A maiden state. They apparently

576
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,680
disagree we'll see how. IT ends up i, could BE

577
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,680
WRONG but I I like torry, easton far more Far

578
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,759
More Than joe. Barr, smith do yeah we've BEEN through.

579
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:54,799
Speaker 1: He I think tarr easton is the more Valuable player than,

580
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,200
DOUCE to McBride i just when you're, factoring in contracts

581
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,519
and also you know checker Health bills and taris has

582
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:04,640
never been a higher, minute guy too and so maybe

583
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,039
don't even to be a higher Minute Guy in New

584
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:06,440
york With.

585
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,519
Speaker 2: Og and josh. AND McHale Be i thought.

586
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:12,599
Speaker 1: Houston would shut it down and MAYBE that's why i.

587
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: Wouldn't have didn't give it enough Credence, For THE knicks

588
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,279
and i also fall IN the camp i Do Think

589
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,000
That jabari smith junior is More Valuable.

590
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: Than tar EANs we.

591
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: Can mult be wrong once. In a, While, It's, okay

592
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,480
dan yeah our next team up third Place. IN the

593
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,640
east i would not have predicted this at any. Stretch

594
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,160
this season what is your Question For? The boston celtics is?

595
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,839
This worth it so this isn't even like it's going

596
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,839
into the trade season kind of thing, like because no

597
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,200
but we had, This discussion before like they have their

598
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,000
own draft pick this year in the twenty twenty. Sixth draft, class,

599
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:51,480
is ridiculous right at. The top, level so, like, All

600
00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:55,799
Right well jalen brown is, averaging twenty nine their their

601
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,839
offense is humming fourth. In the league everything is kind

602
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:01,759
of working out on that side. Of the floor but

603
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:04,680
my question is? To what end what is the end

604
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,160
game here? For, This, season like oh we're gonna we're

605
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,680
gonna make it, to the playoffs probably gonna get bounced in.

606
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,359
The first round. That, was nice look we we, went out,

607
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,839
Proud You. Know, celtic pride oh you could Have Potentially

608
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,599
had darren peterson if you, weren't you know TRYING to just,

609
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,400
i don't know virtue signaling or whatever you want, to call, it,

610
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,440
just like oh we're, we're we're here we're. Trying, to,

611
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,119
win yeah sure. Sure you are? Why should you it

612
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:34,359
doesn't make. SENSE to me i think that the problem

613
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,200
with taking that view now is How are they they're

614
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,240
not going to get in the. Territory they need they've

615
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,039
already like that, Ship has sailed you're as we're going? To? Six,

616
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:47,599
games wow yeah, but god damn like they could have

617
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,200
changed pace, some time. Ago?

618
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,799
Speaker 1: Couldn't THEY yeah, but i mean What were you so

619
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,400
the idea was just To Never play jalen brown because

620
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,480
you're looking at just some of the, seasons they've gotten

621
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,680
Like Just from hada josh, Might Not, Contributing Jordan walsh jordan,

622
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,279
wallsh excuse me immerging they've had Good Minutes from luca.

623
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:09,559
GARZER At points i my question would? You feel better

624
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,880
because my question is. Sort of twofold can they? Duck

625
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,559
the tax they're about twelve point one?

626
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: Million dollars over do you feel better about this season

627
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:20,279
if they do duck the tax because then it doesn't

628
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:23,559
count towards? Their repeater clock or.

629
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: Is this like your just So far, at like no

630
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:28,640
they should still try and get worse and just. Maximize

631
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,039
their dress it's not going to be in, the top

632
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:32,359
five but they could probably still get a lottery pick

633
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:33,279
if they if they.

634
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,319
Speaker 2: Really wanted to those are all.

635
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: The moving parts and the OTHER thing is i want

636
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,480
to know who among these guys that are emerging. Or

637
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:43,960
actually keepers when you Look, at a cata seems like

638
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:44,240
he might.

639
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:44,759
Speaker 2: Be that Guy?

640
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: Why not, walsh for sure that dude's all. Hustle AND

641
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,680
heart but i also should they be open to the

642
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,480
idea mort not to go all, in on something but

643
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:55,160
should they look at, this, and say oh do we

644
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,519
need a heine or end? Alternate ball handler do we

645
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,119
want to try and get someone who's more of the center.

646
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,039
Of the future and, to, your point though if they're

647
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:07,559
still viewing this as a gap year where, they reorient

648
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,960
themselves they also probably have, to, ask themselves okay do

649
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:12,880
we keep Are We keeping Peyton Pritchard? And derek White

650
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,400
So the dyn, brown's going Nowhere But, the Sam Hauser,

651
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,200
the Peyton Pritchard the derek white, of it all they

652
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,839
have a lot of balls. In THE air and i

653
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,480
don't think they were supposed to have this many in

654
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,480
THE air because i did not see them being Third

655
00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:25,440
In the eastern.

656
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: Conference more than a quarter of the way, through, THE

657
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:31,160
season right, I mean PERSONALLY i just i come Back

658
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,079
To the, jason tatum thing where you have no idea

659
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,599
how he'll look. When he returns just because we've seen

660
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,559
guys come back from, akilas tears, Before you know durant is.

661
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,039
The obvious example it does not mean you automatically, can,

662
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,039
Assume That oh jason tatum is going to be one

663
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,480
hundred percent of himself like we all hope that. He

664
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,720
Will be so i'm looking at this from a, long

665
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:55,640
TERM perspective because i just can't be guaranteed, that HE

666
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,880
returns and i would much rather go into like a

667
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,079
draft season where it's so deep and you can really

668
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:05,200
find guys within like the first four, or five picks

669
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,000
and like the issue here of, course being yeah you

670
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,720
can't get in there with, your own selection but if

671
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,759
you get significantly worse and your pick worsens or not well,

672
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,799
your picking proves then you can at least try. To

673
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:21,160
trade up it's easier to trade, UP from like, i

674
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,440
don't know eleven than it. Is twenty one so tell That.

675
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:32,680
To the pelicans, that was. Mean all Right but also

676
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,799
i'm just not closing the door on perhaps maximizing whatever

677
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:38,880
you can get Out Of a, jalen BROWN trade but

678
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,759
i wouldn't necessarily do it In season unless i'm pretty

679
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:45,359
Sure that what i'm getting. Back. Is naps all this

680
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,279
team just, weirds. ME out MAN i just i don't

681
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:51,079
understand what their. END goal is i don't understand what

682
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:53,680
they're trying. To achieve here it all, seems very fake

683
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:56,200
old like not the players are giving. HIM at all,

684
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,079
i love that and the coaching staff. Are right there

685
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:02,720
it's just the Direction the we're we're gonna keep fighting

686
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:05,200
despite our. Guys being, down it's, like all right what? Are?

687
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,480
YOUR words yeah i JUST feel like. I don't know

688
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:12,519
i just feel like you're being pretty dismissive, of WHAT'S happening.

689
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,079
BECAUSE i, am I absolutely. BECAUSE i don't i don't

690
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:17,599
think this. LEADS to anything i think this at the end,

691
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,240
Of the day i'm trying to look, five YEARS ahead

692
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,480
and i could just see a scenario so clearly in

693
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:26,480
my mind in Five years where celtics fans are all going,

694
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,720
to be like why the hell didn't we tank in twenty.

695
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:30,839
FIVE twenty six.

696
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: I think you're operating under the assumption One than Any

697
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:36,000
joe and mizzoula coach.

698
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:37,079
Speaker 2: Team could tank he is.

699
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:41,559
Speaker 1: A psychiast too do you think this has more to

700
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:44,960
do with people underestimating what The Load that jalen brown

701
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:48,640
could carry as just THE? Option one a because if

702
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,519
if this is The Version of jalen brown, that you

703
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,079
have how are you supposed to thank Why Not? FINDING

704
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,799
jalen brown i don't Think that was we've we kind

705
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,519
of Mentioned it in, Jess like previously you're Not Gonna

706
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,480
put jaalen brown On Like the, kawhi leonard broken like

707
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:05,880
we just played forty one, Games this year.

708
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,559
Speaker 2: You'll be fine it was just never gonna.

709
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:11,079
Speaker 1: Happen like THAT and, so i, think if anything what

710
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,480
they're doing now is a testament, To Everybody, Involved, john

711
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:16,559
brown joegazula the, guys they found but also kind of

712
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,599
speaks to all right Tanking in This eastern common look,

713
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,039
look that entail Look, at the wizards look, at the

714
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:24,320
nets like you were just never gonna.

715
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 2: BE this bad i think the cardinal critique then WOULD

716
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,880
be and i would, disagree with, this, is that well

717
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,639
then they Should Have traded derek white, over the summer

718
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,440
they should have Looked At, trading jalen brown or they

719
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,960
should have really if they, wanted to tank they should

720
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,400
have really. Stripped it down now that that's, Kind of

721
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,079
past i'm. Meaning hinto this i'm not giving up like

722
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,840
four first round picks to go out, and get whoever

723
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,639
and like their salary matching tools.

724
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: Are really weird but if they get someone who maybe

725
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,360
draws fouls on this team with the ball in his, hands,

726
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,039
OR like right i know a lot of people think

727
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,519
that they might already be set at center their center

728
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:56,800
of The. FUTURE with kata i wouldn't be opposed to looking.

729
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: AT other.

730
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: BIGS i do i am curious to see what they

731
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,920
try to do with THE tax THOUGH i know i

732
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,840
keep going, back to, That, but twelve no it's cauled

733
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,800
millions a LOT to cut I thought some i can't

734
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,599
remember who, first mentioned this but Maybe Like a Anthony

735
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:13,559
Simon's for colin. SEXTON type trade i don't think that

736
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:15,679
gets you all, the way there but probably within striking

737
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:16,360
distance ahead.

738
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: Of the draft and.

739
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: That's You know, with sexton's driving maybe he adds, some

740
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,239
you know like foul drawing to your. Offensive mix there

741
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:28,000
BECAUSE you and i differ on, them so much it

742
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,519
speaks to how complicated.

743
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: They are as a. Trade, SEASON candidate well i. WILL say,

744
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,840
This i mean i'm talking about what they. SHOULD have

745
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,760
done i do agree with you that the ship has.

746
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,840
Sort of sailed they won. Fifteen games already they're not,

747
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,920
gonna you know win five games the rest, of the

748
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,360
way even if they. Do make, alterations you know they've just.

749
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,679
Won too much they're just. Too, HIGH up well i

750
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,920
don't feel like they should compound the issue by going

751
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,239
out and, like you know leaning into an acceleration of

752
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,039
what they're doing right now and that is not what,

753
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:04,360
You're suggesting either like you're just leading into the current vibe.

754
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,599
Of the team, SO in totality i agree that given

755
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:11,719
the situation, that THEY'RE in but i do WANT to

756
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,039
acknowledge i think that situation is fucked up by. Their,

757
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:19,880
own design yeah avoiding the repeater tax. Is absolutely crucial

758
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:23,280
it's probably going to Be like a. BROOKLYN oriented deal

759
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,320
i would imagine for them to absorb like what they need?

760
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,119
To absorb twelve? Is it twelve full.

761
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,079
Speaker 1: Point one is what they're over the tax by, And

762
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:35,519
for ME simon's for i don't think even that, Would

763
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:38,039
do it like What is the brooklyn could do, It

764
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,639
most easily but what type of compensation if you're Because,

765
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,559
if you're brooklyn what's the value of.

766
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,519
Speaker 2: Having is right contract to? A for assignments that, is,

767
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:48,559
The issue right so it might be a three team

768
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:53,039
trade or something. ALONG those, lines i, Mean we'll see

769
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:55,159
but it does feel like those two are at least

770
00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,280
engaged in some Sort of like, hoopling's first situation because let's,

771
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,719
be Real here the nets Know what the celtics are.

772
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,679
UP against here i don't think they're just, sitting, there going,

773
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,039
oh you know we're just gonna let that available cap

774
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:14,719
space just sort. Of wash out, now they're waiting they're

775
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,239
absolutely Waiting for the, Celtics, to like okay we need

776
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,360
to avoid the repeater sex the Other route. The celtics

777
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,280
have this doesn't get them all.

778
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: The way there but if they were just willing to Lop,

779
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,400
off sam hauser that's ten MILLION dollars that i think

780
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,079
other teams would just take. Into THEIR exceptions that i

781
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:30,400
imagine would be pretty easy.

782
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: To do and then you kind of. Go FROM there but,

783
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:36,079
i don't. Know that's weird we have a comment of

784
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:37,559
the chat from Our Video.

785
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,679
Speaker 1: Editor Andrew Willett is robert williams a good enough healthy

786
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,239
backup center to go trade for? Help, THIS team yeah

787
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,559
i mean that's the type of if you're leaning, into

788
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:48,320
this season he's on. AN expiring contract i don't know

789
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,400
what he would cost, to get again This, Is their

790
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,039
honestly portland could probably Use, a sam Hauser Like a

791
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:56,719
Sam Hawser. For robert williams trade that you're actually taking on,

792
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,199
MONEY in.

793
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,119
Speaker 2: That i believe so that's where.

794
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: IT gets complicated i think what is to use the

795
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,119
word complicated again Is how does boston juggle or feel

796
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,480
like dueling agendas to where there, is the oh should

797
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,760
we maximize our draft pick.

798
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 2: In the, BACKGROUND even still i don't know what. That

799
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,599
looks like there's cutting the tax and, that it's well

800
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,280
how do we react to what's going? On right now

801
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,440
and how you can't do all threes at three.

802
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: Things at once you probably also let's stick. To the

803
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,559
two can you upgrade the center rotation or the ball

804
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:30,119
hand rotation and duck the tax that you might have

805
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,840
to pick one of, those quite frankly and so that's

806
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:33,119
where it.

807
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: Gets, SUPER challenging, yeah i agree despite being Third, in

808
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,159
the east which, should BE celebrated and i. THINK we

809
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:42,199
should i think you're right that we should celebrate it

810
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:43,960
because of the coaching staff. AND the players i think

811
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,800
those are not THE people that i put anything on.

812
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:50,079
In this conversation it is the, team AT large because

813
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:54,559
i don't. BUT that's me i will always believe that

814
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:56,880
if it Seemed like the celtics find themselves in this

815
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,480
situation where their superstar is out for a year and

816
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:04,599
the draft class coming in is like ridiculously, ALMOST pervertedly

817
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,960
good i will always. LEAN draft always i don't care

818
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,480
If it's the, Celtics, the thunder well the thunder might

819
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:14,239
get the, high pig regardless Because. THANK you Clippers i

820
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,599
guess i'm just not harping on that now? DOES what

821
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,000
though i guess it's more so my main point? Is that,

822
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,199
Fair all right i'm nacking about something. That didn't, happen,

823
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,880
You're right okay so the ducking of the tax is now? The?

824
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,079
Primary place yes? So what about is there like? A?

825
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: Construction Here Honestly so Terrence Man for anthony simons gets

826
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,920
you out, of the tax but Then You have terrence

827
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,480
man on your? Books moving forward then let's have watched

828
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:44,760
fifteen point three Million In space dayiron sharp makes six

829
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,599
there Like A day Ron Like does Dayron Sharp and

830
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:53,119
Cameron Thomas For, anthony simon's again what do you have

831
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:53,519
to give up?

832
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:53,599
Speaker 2: To?

833
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: Make, that well Hey what high? Smith would Work what

834
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,960
about Simon.

835
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:00,199
Speaker 2: Have to cam would have to wave his, note TRADE claws.

836
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:02,039
Speaker 1: Which i think you can contribute to a. Real basketball

837
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:03,960
team that's how you. Prove your value he does lose his,

838
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,159
bird rights though what about Like A day Ron sharp

839
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,400
And hayward HIGH.

840
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 2: Smith for I, mean it's anthony that's not that. IT'S

841
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,320
too much I think for brooklyn to take back, be

842
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,360
pretty close so.

843
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,079
Speaker 1: You can probably figure it out Like what A Hayward

844
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:20,719
High smith dayron sharp and THEN small Salary X or

845
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:24,320
Damn Thomas. For anthony simons that could be. Something, they

846
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,719
pursue uh it Feels like something i'll have to involve.

847
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,559
A THIRD team But.

848
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,079
Speaker 2: I, IF i'm Boston i think i'm probably looking to

849
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:35,199
duck the tax first and upgrade the roster. For, this

850
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,079
season second because THEY would be i could come up

851
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:40,440
with bigs like what would It Cause again walker Kessler?

852
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,760
Out of, utah right now That's it's the boston's plan

853
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,159
to wait? Until next season would.

854
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,559
Speaker 1: You take A Flyer on derek? Lively The second what's

855
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:48,480
dallas' appetite?

856
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 2: For moving him that? Could, BE fun. YEAH i would i.

857
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,679
WOULD for sure i believe. In that upside who's our?

858
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,280
Next team ward who is Forced In? The Eastern Conference

859
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:01,880
the toronto Raptures According to basketball? Reference at, least so

860
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:06,280
yeah what's your question for the? Two or so I'll Take. THE? Toronto,

861
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,599
raptors i well did did You? Took? TO celtics? Right?

862
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,039
I did? Yes? YOU apologies yes? I think so My

863
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:18,960
question for toronto. Would be, one it's there like eight

864
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:21,320
hundred thousand dollars away from ducking the tax i assume

865
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,039
that's what they're. GOING to do i want to know

866
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,039
how invested are they in improving the roster this season

867
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,239
and what do they view as? Their biggest need is

868
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,880
it we Need Someone okay jacoby walter?

869
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: Good On defense grady dick even if the shooting, percentages

870
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,880
aren't there he puts a ton of, pressure on defenses

871
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,840
but the. Quip isn't consistent jamal shed can be all

872
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,079
over the.

873
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: Place on offense can they get a role player who

874
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,760
just fills THE three, in d five like just checks

875
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,320
both boxes, and more like, Oh check out baji could

876
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,480
be all over? The PLACE offensively or i think you

877
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,440
can make a case they've been Killing it with mamu,

878
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:58,199
at the five but he's not really like. A like

879
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,679
protector so are you looking At That behind yakam pertle

880
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:04,920
and then you could play lineups with mom who is

881
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,800
also Alongside that big are you LOOKING? At moving rj

882
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,159
barrett whose absence is kind of coincided with. Their recent

883
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,239
slide my other question for them is there a way

884
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,239
for them to branch out their? Crunch time offense which has.

885
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,639
Really petered out they. ARE bottom five i know it's.

886
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:22,239
A Small sample brunch time is.

887
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: Inherently small samples they're twenty Sixth in crunch, time offensive

888
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,039
rating and it's very heavy on branded ingroom and his

889
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:32,639
shot Making on tough looks has kind of plummeted back

890
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:35,000
down to to regress to let's call. It the mean

891
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,119
this team seems like it could. Be really good i'm

892
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,320
just curious to see what do they view as their

893
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,039
biggest need and how invested are they in going out

894
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:44,039
there and trying to address.

895
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:49,079
Speaker 2: It, this, SEASON yeah no i think all of those.

896
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:52,880
Are REASONABLE Questions the, rj barrett, situation to me is

897
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,119
interesting because it still, feels to me despite their, success

898
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:02,199
this year that they're, like one wing too many chefs

899
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:05,039
in the kitchen. Kind of thing and if that could

900
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:07,840
also free Up Minutes For colin murray boyles, to get

901
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,000
in like you would have to shit shit not shit

902
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,039
shift some people around a little bit, on The positions

903
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:16,000
like brandon playing more of, the you know the traditional

904
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:18,719
two Or, three with, barnes you know coming in and

905
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,920
out of, three or four but JUST pivoting off RJ

906
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,920
to provide cmb with more minutes IS something that i

907
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,199
would be incredibly intrigued by because he's he's just so

908
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,079
ready already defensively, on the glass like the shot has.

909
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:38,760
Looked surprisingly good there's there's so much love. With this

910
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,360
guy the question is if YOU'RE pivoting off rj who

911
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,639
has this larger, salary as well it's you're going to,

912
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:49,559
get someone back is going to. BE a playmaker i

913
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,800
think that, would Be interesting like jamal shed just, like

914
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,199
you said find playmaker kind of all over the place

915
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,039
offensively in terms of. The scoring column there's someone out

916
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:02,960
there who can come in like You Brought up iodu

917
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,599
sumu Earlier. For the knicks could he be someone who's

918
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:11,000
interesting here, in this situation perhaps getting some Of those

919
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:17,199
expiring chicago Contracts Inside there sack collins type Maybe Like

920
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,480
A sumu sack collins, situation for That Or get zach

921
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:24,000
collins all the way from Away From. The toronto raptors

922
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,679
what are? We, doing here oh it's just? An expiring?

923
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,199
Contract what's up what is your.

924
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: What is your what is that you want TO Trade

925
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,079
r J Barrett? For zach, collin and then, by the

926
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:36,519
way the other thing is do YOU think sir. I get,

927
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:39,960
FAIR i also i WOULD question just cnb has had

928
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:43,079
minutes be all, over the place EVEN As r j barrett.

929
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:44,719
HAS missed time i don't know THAT Trading r j

930
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,239
barrett would just open up.

931
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:49,599
Speaker 2: Minute, they played yeah that's. A fair point that's. A

932
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,360
fair point i, don't like that, by the way he. Should,

933
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,920
PLAY more, yeah i MEAN but it's i don't actually

934
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,840
think that they're when you're looking, At their rotation i'm

935
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,920
a okay with The way that darko is kind of.

936
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: TRIED out different i don't think you need to be married.

937
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,719
To your depth you'd be cool to see him, get

938
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,480
more minutes but if you're concerned about offensive Shot making

939
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:11,639
it but their offense has been pretty. Bad of late

940
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:13,719
we've seen their indicators across the board kind of fall

941
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:14,360
during their most.

942
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: Recent HUFF stretch but i.

943
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,639
Speaker 1: Think when you look at the makeup, Of this lineup

944
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:21,119
i'd probably be more concerned about THE things that cnb

945
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,280
is not going to help them address if he.

946
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: Is. PLAYING more, wow, i mean look we, BY the

947
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,599
way i did not expect this sort of reaction from

948
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:32,760
you In Terms, Of SACK collins can i interest you

949
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,079
in A Slightly used, kevin herder instead it'd be interesting.

950
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,519
For this team do you trust him to make Shots More?

951
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:41,519
THAN grady. Dick i don't he probably does a little

952
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:44,559
bit More Defensively. Than GRADY dick now i Trust Much

953
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:47,800
more Red Haired. Than, grady dick YES is that i

954
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,559
didn't know that was sort, Of A prerequisite BUT i

955
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:54,639
think i think ultimately yes in terms of the, free, point,

956
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,800
VOLUME like yes i. Trust him more he's just had not.

957
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,960
The greatest YEAR but again i would assume was, the

958
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:03,559
draw though and it's also. The, CAP flexibility now i

959
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:05,800
not to assume it's going to be like an unrestrictive creation.

960
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,119
After this year so he's going to cost you in regards,

961
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:14,320
To RETAINING him but i don't anticipate him Costing more than,

962
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,519
BARRETT at least. I don't know i just think there's

963
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:20,119
some level of framework here that.

964
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,199
Speaker 1: KIND of work i also don't know what to make

965
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,599
of just when you've seen, the returns again they've BEEN

966
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:30,440
minimum of Rj and. Brandon Ingram together the raptors offense.

967
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:33,320
Is their, defense excuse me the offense, has been fine

968
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,679
but The defense the raptors in the twentieth percentile when

969
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:39,360
those two share the floor on defense opponents are getting

970
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,760
to the ram aton. During those minutes some of those

971
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,679
Lineups that have yaka pertl in them are getting absolutely

972
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,480
Roasted from three and this, team's roster construction there's a,

973
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,480
lot of talent but it's just so WEIRD to where

974
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:53,800
i don't know, that, you can like if you take,

975
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,079
out one player if it was LET'S, TRADE r j

976
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:57,760
i think you might create other problems because you were

977
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,960
there talking about. A ball handler are you getting a secondary?

978
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:02,559
ALL handler back i know A lot of, raptors fans

979
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,360
rightfully so for the most PART don't trust iq. In

980
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,840
THAT role but i think his gravity on off the,

981
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,000
balls a shooter even when he's not, always making shots

982
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,000
is too important. To the team there's a lot of

983
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:14,719
different directions. They could go We have all rock in

984
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,719
The Chest saying derek white. Would Be awesome derek white

985
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:17,840
are Probably, awesome.

986
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:20,159
Speaker 2: For oh that's a Good Shout by ALL rock because

987
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,400
i actually remember doing a pod, On you know dantiy

988
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,000
shpod where we were talking about A framework Of Rja.

989
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:29,320
For derek white that's not, a bad. Shout That's interesting

990
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:35,079
derek white would be a, Tremendous fit there like not

991
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,480
high volume obviously a. Three, point threat defensively we, can

992
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:42,119
trust him you know we in terms of the playmaking.

993
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,840
Acumen he's there that's a. Really, good Shout Yeah more Derek,

994
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,360
WHITE for toronto i.

995
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: Mean THAT would Be I think derek white probably a

996
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:53,800
fantastic fit on twenty nine other teams in. OUR boss

997
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,400
has i just don't know, What's, their appetite like that's

998
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,719
the trade that's, costing, you salary well double, first ROUND

999
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,800
picks and I Would Assume, colin murray boyles you're not

1000
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:05,400
getting out.

1001
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: Of without giving. Up, a prospect no? WHAT that's. INTERESTING

1002
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,199
i don't I don't Think I had derek white peg

1003
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,239
that's that level. Of value, Though, THAT'S interesting like i

1004
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,440
what is his value actually, In A, VACUUM derek white

1005
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,360
i probably, would have been, TO be fair i would

1006
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,599
have been higher in the summer than. It, is NOW

1007
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,760
yeah but i don't think two first round picks alone

1008
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:29,119
Is Getting.

1009
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: You derek white and so If, you're the raptors would

1010
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,920
you prefer really do You think the raptors put the

1011
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,400
twenty twenty six first round pick and a twenty twenty

1012
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,199
eight first round pick on the table plus salary that

1013
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,880
It's Getting them derek white when they're and they're not

1014
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,960
the team That can say, boston, Any, money.

1015
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,639
Speaker 2: Right, no maybe. Yeah that's fair so maybe it's a

1016
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:52,239
three team trade. In some capacity it's just, LIKE the overall,

1017
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:54,920
i don't know you. Might be right it's JUST when

1018
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,519
when i hear two first round Draft Picks, for derek

1019
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:02,360
white my rain. Kind of breaks but that actually might

1020
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,639
not be that bad. OF a deal i think UNDER

1021
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:09,920
the new cpa where or the APRON eras as i

1022
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:12,480
like to refer, IT to as I Think a derek

1023
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:18,440
white contract is not necessarily as attractive, to have, given

1024
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,079
you know also the age and then two first when

1025
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,199
when we know the picks are now, at a premium

1026
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:27,119
they're worth so much in terms of like having the

1027
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:31,480
four years locked in pretty much at a substantially cheaper

1028
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:35,559
rate to help you avoid, the aprons altogether, like two

1029
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:39,920
picks two firsts that, it SEEMS suggressive but i can

1030
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,840
also thought it was going. TO be, LESS.

1031
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: I like, i don't know if it's one, FIRST round, Pick,

1032
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:48,960
I say, boston, I think honestly i Think, that the

1033
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,599
raptors because it's basically.

1034
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,639
Speaker 2: Worth's money Wise. IT SHOULD.

1035
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,039
Speaker 1: Yeah r j barrett in two first Round Picks. FOR

1036
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:57,760
derek white i would Be shocked if boston said, yes

1037
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:58,239
to that.

1038
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:01,159
Speaker 2: You know what and it's fair because he's that good

1039
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:06,119
at twenty eight, thirty forty two and then he's probably

1040
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:08,880
going to opt in in twenty eight because that's almost.

1041
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,599
Forty five million, let's be real he's. Opting, into that

1042
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,199
well we don't know what the landscape is going to

1043
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,440
look like at, that POINT though either. I don't know

1044
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,800
we know it's three. Years away, though all.

1045
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,679
Speaker 1: Right so it's three you're on the hook for three

1046
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,880
years and about one Hundred Million for grek white, after,

1047
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,199
THE season correct i. Would Give up If, I'm the

1048
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,679
raptors i'd probably, make that trade just. To Be clear

1049
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:33,519
and I'D like what rj has done since He's, Been

1050
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:36,199
in toronto but you also need the TEAM that's getting.

1051
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:38,639
I don't know I don't think BOSTON would value rj

1052
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,519
The same way toronto would when that would be Similarly

1053
00:50:41,639 --> 00:50:42,239
not With tatum.

1054
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,119
Speaker 2: And, brown there yeah so that's that's. The third team

1055
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:49,199
perhaps someone who IS looking, into R two can I

1056
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,000
pose what i believe it? Would, be more Really We've.

1057
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: Had DAYRON sharp mentioned I actually think i wrote About

1058
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,880
Him At Bleach report dayroon sharp would makes sense if

1059
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,079
you want, to go big you'll have my eye. On

1060
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:59,800
for them and he's kind Of he's Not he's Not

1061
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,039
eric white light because he can't handle the ball or pass.

1062
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:05,280
Like he Could What about keon ellis, for this team

1063
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,119
just to sort of that guy comes in defense.

1064
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:08,039
Speaker 2: And hits, threes you know.

1065
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: It's like done there's like we can round out like

1066
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:12,239
our one of our best five man.

1067
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 2: Units with, him you Know You have scottie Ingram quickly

1068
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,159
and ellis could play together futs and fiddle. In the

1069
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:21,559
middle If You Want, mamu calamary boyles You Also.

1070
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: Have yaka, PURLE of course i really liked THE idea

1071
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,039
of i think that's with this team just relative to

1072
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:29,480
how because it's kind of expensive for a team that

1073
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:31,079
yes we're talking about them in the Top Half, the

1074
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:33,159
eastern conference but we're not talking about them as if

1075
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:36,360
they're on the precipice of. TITLE contention NECESSARILY i think

1076
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,000
i was High on the. RAPTORS than most i didn't

1077
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,519
see them necessarily being there was a point where they

1078
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:41,440
were one of three teams in.

1079
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:42,559
Speaker 2: The top seven of.

1080
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,599
Speaker 1: Offense AND defense So i like keon ellis FOR them

1081
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:46,400
because i think maybe you could probably duck the tacks

1082
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:47,079
while getting.

1083
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,639
Speaker 2: In, me so cheap and who knows how much he.

1084
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: Costs to retain but even if he's just, a stop

1085
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:54,119
gap he fits in every single lineup construction they.

1086
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:57,119
Speaker 2: COULD possibly GO i don't i don't. Hate that. Whatsoever

1087
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,800
that's interesting that's the nicest thing. You've, ever said okay.

1088
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: Our Next Team, the orlando magic who got a.

1089
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: Bit of good news relative to.

1090
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:09,119
Speaker 1: Being bad News where franz agner is going to be

1091
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:12,159
reevaluated in two to four. Weeks after suffering would it

1092
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,880
end up being? A cash strain is that what they

1093
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:14,559
diagnosed as?

1094
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 2: A high angle i think it was, A highest, spring,

1095
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:21,239
BUT like okay i just want to note that that

1096
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,159
was the initial Initial Diagnosis for lonzo ball as well back.

1097
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:31,079
In The day so, i'm, Just Homie no but i'm just, trying,

1098
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:34,480
to say like let's let's be Let's give frontz Wagner

1099
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:38,800
And the orlando magic the the basically the space to. Operate,

1100
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,000
within this, like you know if it's two, to, Four

1101
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:44,760
weeks great i'm all for if he's fully. Healthy AND

1102
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,840
back because i was, COVERING this game i was calling

1103
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,280
this GAME Over, at hbo max and. That looked bad

1104
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:54,519
that looked so bad he was grabbing his knee before

1105
00:52:54,639 --> 00:52:57,480
his body had even, hit, the ground. Sir oh yeah

1106
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,800
and then when they zoomed in on the, angle, THAT

1107
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:02,239
like look i thought for sure there was something done

1108
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,639
in like the quad or maybe, even, like yeah yeah it.

1109
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,679
Looks So bad so, I'm just Like i'm not i'm

1110
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,840
just not gonna point my Finger At the orlando magic

1111
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,760
if the four week thing is going and like it's

1112
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,639
coming and going and they're, gonna, be like hey, You

1113
00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:21,079
know what we're gonna take it a, couple extra weeks

1114
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:23,960
just like take whatever time you need because. That looked

1115
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,239
bad but in terms, OF my question i could be,

1116
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:34,639
Provocative right now i'm. Considering being provocative do? It all?

1117
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:41,000
Right fair enough so can, you really, get you know

1118
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:45,119
into the depths of the playoffs when you're presumed best

1119
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:48,199
player is basically The New? Era demarta, rosen.

1120
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: My god that's a weird thing To Say, about, Franz wagner, especially.

1121
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: No that, okay fair enough this the second best player.

1122
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,519
IN that, case i mean so your question is do

1123
00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:03,719
you think that they CAN actually Do i Trust powelo

1124
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,400
ben carrow is the ultimate, question HERE now and i

1125
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,920
will preface this by SAYING something because i Actually do Like.

1126
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:13,239
POWELO ben carro. I actually do i think he's got.

1127
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,400
SO many skills i think his ability to get to

1128
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,360
the foul. LINE is fantastic i do, like HIS playmaking

1129
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,119
although i think it's been. Overstated a bit he comes

1130
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:25,320
off as someone who understands the concept, of team basketball

1131
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:30,920
but he's unfortunately forced into just milking the clock. Absurd

1132
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,039
AMOUNTS occasionally so i don't think the position that he's

1133
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:38,679
been put in is always. The GREATEST thing but i

1134
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,360
also just like we have to look. At this realistically

1135
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,199
he's getting paid an absolute craft. Ton of money he

1136
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,079
is going to feature as one of the two best

1137
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:50,440
players on this team for. A Long time and i'm just, asking,

1138
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,320
The question right i'm Just, Asking question dan and there

1139
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,719
might be an article Coming up on, yahoo about this,

1140
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,480
by the way in some. Point in time i'm Just

1141
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:03,840
Wondering if paula bencaro is too difficult to probably build

1142
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,320
around in order for them to make like a big move,

1143
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,280
or you know. Up the standings his three point shot has.

1144
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,880
Never come around he's not really that. Dangerous off ball

1145
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:14,719
he's not being used as a play. Finisher, all that

1146
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:20,199
well his efficiency. Is Usually meh so i'm, just and

1147
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,320
like if he had the ball to the extent, that

1148
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,719
he did and he was an elite passer and an elite,

1149
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,920
playmaker for, others all right that then. That gets interesting,

1150
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,400
but he's good he's not elite. In That department so

1151
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,880
I'M just whenever i, watch HIM play and i watch him,

1152
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,039
PLAY a ton i always come away thinking he could have,

1153
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:43,280
been used differently but and he shouldn't have that big.

1154
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,400
Of a, role and three if we're looking ahead two

1155
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,039
or three years or even just ahead, to this year

1156
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,320
is he going to be able to come into the

1157
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,519
playoffs and be? A difference maker, And so far i'm

1158
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:59,079
just not personally at least, that ENCOURAGED yet although i

1159
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:02,760
hope To be, WRONG orlando fans i think he's.

1160
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,639
Speaker 1: Gonna be fine there's a lot of what people have

1161
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,920
pointed to was they were top ten in offense And

1162
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,760
defense while polo Was out with franz in the Seven

1163
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,519
games before. Palo got injured they were also in the

1164
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:16,800
top ten all off as the defense with, BOTH of

1165
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,920
them i think there are concerns and redundancies they needed

1166
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,199
to figure. Out on offense i've been encouraged where for,

1167
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,440
The most part and we'll see if the front injury

1168
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:29,199
Changes This that paalo bancaro has looked like he's trying

1169
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:31,199
to fit into what they were doing and while, he

1170
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,320
was out and this is THE thing That i think

1171
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,559
paalo has the. Ability to change nobody ran more off Of.

1172
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:42,599
Misshots than orlando nobody was more efficient in transition overall

1173
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:45,199
during That. Stretch than orlando and when you start to

1174
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,679
break down the, ON off numbers i think this seasons

1175
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:49,400
are the only one that matters because you can go

1176
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,639
back to all. These Other Seasons but desmond bayin wasn't.

1177
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:55,039
On the team and that's the other variable here is they're,

1178
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:58,119
still Not struggling but desmond bain is really just yet

1179
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:01,800
to be. Off and running he's an uneven season and

1180
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,920
how does that variable fit.

1181
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 2: Into THE mix but.

1182
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: I think that They need to they were Playing faster

1183
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,760
with poalo overall this year than they. Were last season

1184
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,360
but can he fit into just what they were doing

1185
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,079
after those rebounds where it feels like his first inclination

1186
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:16,960
is if he gets the baller he grabs a rebound

1187
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,239
like he's going to. SLOW things down i think that

1188
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,119
would go. A long way IT also just i don't

1189
00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:25,119
know that they they're in A position to i know

1190
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,400
we're asking The. QUESTION about polo i don't know if

1191
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,480
they're in a position.

1192
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:31,199
Speaker 2: To say that he is. The the Issue, like With.

1193
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,480
Franz just fronz this season the one point, three, net,

1194
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:37,800
Rating okay cool their offense was forty Ninth, percent of

1195
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:39,880
like It's, Worse FOR polo but i don't know that

1196
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,639
just removing him. FROM the equation i don't think fixes a.

1197
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,199
Ton of, STUFF and honestly i think the bigger thing,

1198
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,920
is and Look we've seen polow have it. In the

1199
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,840
playoffs they've been kind, of brief performances, to be sure

1200
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:55,320
but he's had some really. BIG playoff moments.

1201
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: I think this team needs to continue to lean into

1202
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,079
optimizing the, Spacing around them and so it's can they

1203
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:04,320
get maybe another wing type shooter on this team that's

1204
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,280
an Upgrade from A tristan da silva or just someone

1205
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,639
who will be guarded Differently Than an anthony.

1206
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,079
Speaker 2: Black who's had a really good.

1207
00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:14,199
Speaker 1: Season as well looming, over all this, by THE way

1208
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,960
and i Would think the franz Injury coupled with polo

1209
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:20,440
being injured before they're five point six million dollars into

1210
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,239
the tax. You Just paid polo franz's extension has, already

1211
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,440
kicked In You. Have desmond baane i'm assuming they're gonna try,

1212
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,320
and duck it and they're More Than a jet howard's

1213
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,480
salary dump away. From doing it they also have only

1214
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,400
fourteen people, on the roster so If You, trade jet

1215
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,400
howard you're gonna invariably need to. Get someone else is

1216
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,440
there a way THIS is something i thought of if, You,

1217
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,400
could do like what's The Compensation for Jonathan Isaac and

1218
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:48,119
jet howard To Bring back Corey?

1219
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: Kisbert? From washington. OH that's interesting i Like, that because,

1220
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,639
kisbert you know everyone looks at him as just a

1221
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:02,519
shooter buddy? Cut, is he oh he's such an elite finisher,

1222
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:05,519
around the rim such an elite finisher and has been

1223
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,280
for the vast majority. Of his career so that would

1224
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,519
give them an entirely different. Component as well that is

1225
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:15,360
a good name for a bad situation that might actually

1226
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,199
come in and have a pretty. Good ripple effect what

1227
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,280
is what was the Compensation? Level for washington that is

1228
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,440
The Allure, of jet howard, right.

1229
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,559
Speaker 1: Is yeah and you're looking at Basically functionally Between jonathan

1230
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:30,400
And Isaac and. JET howard, THERE i mean i think

1231
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,599
might be interesting, as a defender but he's just his

1232
00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:35,400
season has not been good this, year at. All not really,

1233
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,239
it's expiring contracts but You're Giving. Up corey kisbert orlando is.

1234
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,000
NOT giving up i don't even like what first do

1235
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:45,000
they have to trade aside from swaps at this Point

1236
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:47,519
After the. Desmond baine trade SO that's where i ran

1237
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:49,880
into the, issue of okay what what?

1238
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: Does it?

1239
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: Take like seconds how many seconds does it take the?

1240
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,079
Doors or seconds? JUST not Enough i don't i've questioned

1241
00:59:57,079 --> 00:59:59,000
whether you would Get And, IF i'm washington i might

1242
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:00,360
just not. Move THEM then but i don't think anyone

1243
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,079
just giving you an outright first Round Pick.

1244
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: For, corey, kisbert, no, no, no no. NO no no

1245
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:09,199
i would be shocked at. That as well. THAT is

1246
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:15,079
interesting i don't. HATE that framework I wonder if orlanto

1247
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,119
is focused on trying To Pivot off, tyas JONES though, and, i,

1248
01:00:19,159 --> 01:00:23,960
think well look we can sit here and laugh because he's,

1249
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,199
had a, Horrible horrible season but are WE sure that

1250
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,920
nba teams are gonna look at, that, and, go oh

1251
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,239
well this is who he is after he's just had

1252
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,360
like three, Really strong years like are they going to

1253
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,480
take a. Twenty four game he.

1254
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: Didn't have a Strong year in phoenix, Last year either

1255
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:44,360
so now you kind of have you have to wonder

1256
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,039
like how prominent a part of your let's say second

1257
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:50,679
unit or secondary rotation is he need to be to have.

1258
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:56,039
Speaker 2: The, intended impact, YEAH all, RIGHT i see i wouldn't

1259
01:00:56,039 --> 01:00:58,840
say he had a Bad, year IN phoenix but i

1260
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,719
also think like circumstances just forced him into.

1261
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:04,239
Speaker 1: A, to me yeah he was not Used optimally in

1262
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:05,639
phoenix by. A, Night stretch.

1263
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,599
Speaker 2: NOW so like i just think there's, more to him

1264
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,440
like at and it's. AT seven million i wouldn't be

1265
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,920
surprised if a good team came, in and, said oh

1266
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,559
yeah having him run. THE second unit i don't. HATE that,

1267
01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:20,000
that i mean if you just offload him and it's

1268
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:22,400
like taking, back smaller money that that could be the

1269
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,440
mechanism by which you get out of. The, TAX too

1270
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:27,440
yeah i think that would. Be the. Framework if anything

1271
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:30,280
do you think that these The injury?

1272
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,599
Speaker 1: TO franz specifically i know he's projected to probably be

1273
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:35,000
back before. The trade deadline but do you think that

1274
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:38,639
impacts their approach to the trade, deadline at all just

1275
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:41,480
because they don't have a ton of information on their.

1276
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,679
Best guys together, at this point when you look at,

1277
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:46,480
how many minutes specifically what's the? Five man lineup everyone

1278
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:51,199
wants to see a Ton, Of sugs Franz, Paolo Uh wendell.

1279
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 2: Carter junior AND who did? I, Leave Out.

1280
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,119
Speaker 1: Oh desmond baine like you just don't the samples eye

1281
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:56,840
on that is so minised school. At this point By

1282
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,880
the time, Franz comes back i'll say four weeks would

1283
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,840
be that. Would, be ideal now all of a sudden

1284
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:07,239
We are into january. TENTH around there i just don't

1285
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,000
know what verdict. You're, gonna draw again they didn't have

1286
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:10,599
a ton of assets. To begin with i'm just curious

1287
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:13,559
as to whether they look at this team and not

1288
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:15,000
that they pump the brakes, a little bit but are

1289
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:16,960
they less reticent to do more than just how do

1290
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,239
we get out OF the tax.

1291
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: I would be surprised if they want to make big

1292
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:26,039
moves just depending on the injury. Is one Thing powlo on.

1293
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:28,920
Franz as well we have to acknowledge they they've sort

1294
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,760
of taken, turns being injured like that's been a thing for.

1295
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:37,960
A while, now i yeah it's a good question if

1296
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,360
they were willing to go the extra mile. TO something

1297
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,800
different i don't assume SO like they i feel Like

1298
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,800
when the magic, generally do stuff it's like, one big

1299
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,280
Thing Like the, desmond bine trade and then there's like

1300
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,639
a sales that where, it's, just like oh it's silent

1301
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:57,840
for a long time until they. DO something again i

1302
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,920
could be wrong that Because they Have franz and Paolo

1303
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:03,639
And and desmond bain who they got this, summer As

1304
01:03:03,679 --> 01:03:07,480
Well and anthony black, is looking good perhaps that gives

1305
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,119
them enough mental ammunition to go, out, and say hey,

1306
01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:11,880
you know what let's lean into this thing and just

1307
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:16,400
go full On Using that. Jonathan icy contract but It's,

1308
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,760
Still The magic. So i'm wondering i'm wondering if they're

1309
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,000
willing to. Go that FAR and also.

1310
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: I think you could, look and say what they're nine,

1311
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:31,000
Eight man Rotation so you're franz, At, One, Healthy, Franz, Pallo, Bain, Suggs,

1312
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:34,039
Black Carter junior Da silva and batadze are all just

1313
01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:36,119
guys you trust at this point right.

1314
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: To a certain extent. More, than others yes that's your

1315
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:41,360
eight man.

1316
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,679
Speaker 1: Rotation right there and are you just comfortable trying to

1317
01:03:43,679 --> 01:03:47,920
Fill in With isaac and Jones And some Noah penda

1318
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:49,119
like and that's, where IT'S.

1319
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: Like do i feel so in terms of what that's,

1320
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,559
probably my question AND like do? I feel comfortable and

1321
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:55,760
like the depths of you you have.

1322
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: To upgrade, from i'm saying if you're, gonna the magic

1323
01:03:58,039 --> 01:03:59,719
you're gonna make. A move beyond we're trying to. Duck

1324
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,920
the tech you upgrade from the eight MAN rotation that.

1325
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,559
I just, met they're like you're not upgrading the projected

1326
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:08,679
starting Or closing, five and no that's that should be

1327
01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:11,280
one of the. Best in basketball so that, WOULD be

1328
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:12,320
well i don't think they should.

1329
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: Have an appetite but if you could.

1330
01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:15,559
Speaker 1: Get someone that, you think is oh maybe he is

1331
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:17,840
better Maybe, not than black but like if you think

1332
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,280
he can get Someone Better than da silva or someone Better.

1333
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,760
Than but TODs it doesn't necess have to play. The

1334
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,519
same position but you viewed them as a sixth or

1335
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:26,519
seventh guy and, you're pecking order maybe. YOU consider it i,

1336
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:28,639
just think that given the way the, season is unfolded

1337
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:31,760
if they weren't likely to, do it before it's next.

1338
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,280
To NIL now but i would predict maybe it doesn't

1339
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,440
happen by, the trade deadline perhaps. BY the draft i

1340
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,519
think that they're gonna make it a point to get

1341
01:04:38,679 --> 01:04:39,000
out of the.

1342
01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:45,679
Speaker 2: Tacks this year our next team Mort Is, the miami

1343
01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:49,440
heat sixth Place In. The eastern conference they.

1344
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: Are my team my question for them is what are

1345
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,480
they allowed to do at?

1346
01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 2: The Trade deadline is?

1347
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,639
Speaker 1: Terror's ear tradeable do they have an extra first round

1348
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:01,159
pick in their equip from that deal that they're allowed?

1349
01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:03,239
To give up but my real question for them is

1350
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:06,280
what are they actually looking to do at? The TRADE

1351
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,320
deadline because i just have so many. Questions for them

1352
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,079
part of it is we've talked A lot.

1353
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 2: About look how. Fast they're playing, it's so cool like.

1354
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: They've reinvented themselves they're thirteenth in point, Score, per possession

1355
01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:20,159
like let's not this is not that's better. Than league

1356
01:05:20,199 --> 01:05:22,119
average but it's not like they're set in the. World

1357
01:05:22,199 --> 01:05:24,639
on Fire they've also i've seen a lot of o.

1358
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,920
If Defenses Cracked the miami heats OFFENSE of late, i

1359
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,119
mean maybe but like they do not finish well for

1360
01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:33,679
as much as they get, out in transition they're not.

1361
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:36,000
Always finishing well they've flubbed a, lot of layups or

1362
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,360
they have. WEIRD takeoff points i think they need to

1363
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,480
look at they have these one track minds when they,

1364
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,039
get in, transition where yeah you want to get, to

1365
01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:44,360
the basket but it's not illegal to try and. Work

1366
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,920
the corners have guys kind of fan out. And WORK

1367
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,519
those but. I, am wondering also. We saw this it

1368
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:52,480
was THE game against i think was the. MAGIC we

1369
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:54,559
saw i saw down the stretch that was a. Crunch

1370
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:57,519
time game miami starts throwing all these ball, screens out

1371
01:05:57,559 --> 01:05:59,599
there which is not something that. They had done and

1372
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:01,159
by all, THESE ball screens i think it was like

1373
01:06:01,239 --> 01:06:03,840
three consecutive possessions they, had bam out, a bio set a.

1374
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,119
High ball screen do they need someone like who is

1375
01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:10,519
more accustomed to bringing that element of their offense or

1376
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:12,559
do you look at trying to bring someone in who

1377
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:15,639
fits into. What YOU'RE doing and i mean you could.

1378
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:17,760
Maybe do Both the name i've had peg for them would.

1379
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,719
Be super INTERESTING but also i need to ask. This

1380
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,280
question first i'm all over the. Place with them This.

1381
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,639
Is the heat what are they willing to Do? If, it's,

1382
01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:27,039
Giannis yeah whatever but are they willing to take on

1383
01:06:27,559 --> 01:06:29,239
longer term money or is it we want?

1384
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,119
Speaker 2: To buy low like what does it Cost to get?

1385
01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:34,239
Zion right now is it? Just matching salary and can?

1386
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,960
That Matching Salary can terry rozier be? Part of it he'd.

1387
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,239
Speaker 1: BE so interesting i know They have khalil Ware And bam,

1388
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,000
auta baio here but he could probably play alongside either.

1389
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,280
One of, them AND finally before i throw, it to

1390
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,320
you are you even sold on the Bam out Of bayo?

1391
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:48,559
Speaker 2: Khalil ware dynamic.

1392
01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: I'M just not I know that wear has had a,

1393
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,039
really good season but, When they're together miami's. Lost those

1394
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:56,760
minutes both of those dudes are shooting much worse from

1395
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,719
inside the arc because they've branched out their game to the.

1396
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:02,440
Three POINT line but i don't think that's inherently what

1397
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,719
they're best at or what they. Want to do so

1398
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,119
there are some, just spatial redundancies there are. MAYBE instinctual

1399
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:11,559
redundancies i have a Lot like this. Heat team is

1400
01:07:11,639 --> 01:07:15,280
IT'S friskier, than i thought but they feel built sort of.

1401
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,159
Like A placeholder and i wonder if their trade deadline

1402
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:20,320
is gonna follow suit where they want, to make upgrades

1403
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,880
but it's gonna be. By low upgrades and the.

1404
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,639
Speaker 2: OTHER thing too I Think that tyler hero very important

1405
01:07:28,039 --> 01:07:30,760
to THIS team because i think that they could stand

1406
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,679
to change up their offense from. Time to time he.

1407
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: Fits within it but if you want to run some

1408
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,920
more high, ball screen sets that's someone like who's. The

1409
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,280
perimeter player if you're running those, types of actions you'd

1410
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,480
want the ball, in, their Hand Like, not norman powell

1411
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:45,280
It Would be tyler hero would be.

1412
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 2: The pick there so We're onto the philadelphia seventy Six

1413
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,760
ers because stan has just broken down everything no listen

1414
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:56,599
first And foremost the. Bam kilaware thing. I'M also skeptical

1415
01:07:56,639 --> 01:07:59,199
I don't think, i'm out yet, like OFFICIALLY out but

1416
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,599
i am circling the drain on. That one too they

1417
01:08:02,639 --> 01:08:06,360
do need someone who's an high, up tempo playmaker someone

1418
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,639
who can get into the trench's like they're, like you

1419
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:11,599
said they have the quickest offense, in the league but it's.

1420
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:14,639
Not particularly effective one of the reasons why is AS

1421
01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:17,800
much As I, love davion mitchell who's really found his

1422
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,319
role here and is averaging almost eight of. His per

1423
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:24,279
game he is not necessarily someone who you fear in

1424
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:26,880
transition as a. Scorer as well so who is that

1425
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,520
guy who can come down the floor, off of missus,

1426
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,199
push the ball who can make decisions with the ball?

1427
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:35,640
In his HANDS and when, I say decisions i mean

1428
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,640
good decisions, where, THEY know yeah i can take it

1429
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,000
all the way, TO the rack i can spray it outside. Of,

1430
01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:43,560
THE three oh i have a trailer right BEHIND me

1431
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,840
who i can dump. It off to who? Is That.

1432
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,920
Guy tyler herro he's never. Been that guy he's probably.

1433
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,720
Never Gonna be davion mitchell a little bit more conservative,

1434
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,199
as a passer although he's solid in a half court.

1435
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:57,600
Setting up Temple not Really haimi hakez a sold more

1436
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,640
of like a slow it down type of half guy

1437
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,359
who will find the fun. Angles and stuff who Is

1438
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,039
that guy dan who will just run the floor freaking

1439
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:11,920
relentlessly throwing dimes all over the place and get other people.

1440
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,840
In scoring opportunities It's Also. Not Norman powell norman powell historically,

1441
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:21,039
noted anti playmaker at least if for. Anyone but himself

1442
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:24,399
not that that's an issue because he is arguably one

1443
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,239
of the best shooting guard play finishers in the league

1444
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:30,399
as of right now we're not Talking enough about so

1445
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:35,720
perhaps this is A question of miami maybe, solving two,

1446
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,479
things you know, with one throw Which is, The, bam

1447
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,680
stuff like can You pivot off bam and get like

1448
01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:47,840
a type of elite playmaker onto this team who can

1449
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,159
just run? The freaking show, and, if, so who like

1450
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,000
who would you Want to trade? Bam for? THAT what?

1451
01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:56,079
Speaker 1: All, I mean, giannis I guess but i feel like

1452
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:58,960
you probably want to. PAIR them together.

1453
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: I Don't Know, yana, hl Yeah yeah Like. Giannas, and

1454
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,479
bam sure but it's, Just all right, So For me

1455
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,800
i'm i'm going the long road like you would have

1456
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,199
put you would have Pivot. OFF kil liware. I can

1457
01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:12,239
assume i DON'T even say i want to.

1458
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: Pivot off him, It's you know i'm Not trading Khalil

1459
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,199
Ware for zion williamson, as, An EXAMPLE right but i

1460
01:10:18,319 --> 01:10:20,600
just have questions about THEIR fit and i wouldn't be,

1461
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,239
As Opposed that like i'd seen Some stuff that miami

1462
01:10:23,239 --> 01:10:24,840
wouldn't want to Give up kalil ware in A trade

1463
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,479
for yannas attenth coupo and then it's.

1464
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 2: A tough shit then you're not gonna have any Chance.

1465
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,119
Speaker 1: Of Getting yanna So i'm just i'm wondering if it

1466
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:34,760
even so you think it needs to Be that, not

1467
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,920
jannest level but it needs to be. A BIGGER swing

1468
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,960
where i was, looking at it they've tried to conserve

1469
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,439
it feels like flexibility leading into. Twenty twenty seven or

1470
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:47,079
is there someone that fits into that? Financial planning motif

1471
01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:49,319
because the offense is. Interesting to watch you named all

1472
01:10:49,319 --> 01:10:51,199
These Players like hoby hawka has been fun a lot

1473
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:52,840
of the time this. Season, to, watch yeah yeah but

1474
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,760
you do need to upgrade THE efficiency and i think

1475
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,399
the ability to playmake out. Of THESE situations and i,

1476
01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:01,840
Don't you know i'm sure fans will, write this off

1477
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,000
But Like, a LaMelo ball. He's injured again he'd be

1478
01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:05,520
interesting for this team if.

1479
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 2: He was healthy but.

1480
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: IS there someone i meant more so of, just a smaller.

1481
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,239
MEDIUM scale move i also don't buy into the reporting

1482
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:15,359
it Did Come, from jake fisher who's super Plugged in

1483
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,119
that miami's Had Conversations, about john morant because it makes

1484
01:11:19,119 --> 01:11:22,720
no sense he Was upset about memphis offense last year

1485
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,560
when they didn't have. Enough Bass screens now miami wants

1486
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,159
to integrate him into this offense that Doesn't use.

1487
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 2: Right do you think players think? That? Far? Ahead though well.

1488
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 1: The other thing Is is that Miami did hire laroche

1489
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,199
to help, install this offense and was he not the

1490
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:40,359
coach who was responsible For.

1491
01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 2: It in memphis jumpmurant has to at least be thinking

1492
01:11:43,279 --> 01:11:46,079
that doesn't reply to him thinking like. Eight, moves ahead

1493
01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:51,760
yeah it's so in terms of like uh answering a

1494
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,000
question whether it needs to be that big of a

1495
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:57,359
move Technically not and i'm, Not saying that i'm not

1496
01:11:57,359 --> 01:11:59,840
saying it, has to be but it does feel like

1497
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,199
somewhat of an inevitability because like this team has gotten

1498
01:12:03,239 --> 01:12:07,039
younger suddenly. Out, of nowhere really their young guys, have

1499
01:12:07,079 --> 01:12:09,479
Started Popping like pela larson as well is starting to

1500
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,199
look like a fully. Flatched rotation player like, they are

1501
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:17,319
young or at least they're young. Guys are hitting that's,

1502
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:19,800
Interesting to me like is it the time to pivot

1503
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,600
a little bit off of some of the VETERANS who

1504
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,000
have i don't want to say stagnated because that's, the

1505
01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:27,279
wrong word but, Like you Know. Bam is Bam he's

1506
01:12:27,319 --> 01:12:30,319
spanned bamed for. A long time he's, extremely good defensively

1507
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:35,319
we know that, Offensively it varies is that the kind way?

1508
01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:37,479
To say it like he'll have games where he just

1509
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,680
is a complete nonfactor and he'll have games where he Pops.

1510
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:44,119
Off for firdy it's it's very inconsistent. In that regard

1511
01:12:44,199 --> 01:12:49,000
so perhaps there would be something interesting in trying to

1512
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:53,039
just make the offense more perimeter, Oriented without, him but

1513
01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:56,920
again you're, also losing rebounding you're, Losing interior playmaking you're

1514
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,000
losing a ton of fun stuff that he. Does provide you,

1515
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,840
this is difficult and they've been star hunting for what

1516
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,399
feels like, Four years now like it feels like they

1517
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,399
they've tried to get. SOMEONE in there i just don't

1518
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,760
know which. Name they're Thinking? Is it zion is it

1519
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,199
someone who isn't tough, to build around because. SCIENCE certainly

1520
01:13:16,279 --> 01:13:20,840
is i just don't know which, Way they're going and

1521
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,680
you're muted, by the way so you're trying.

1522
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:26,199
Speaker 1: To Answer me the zion thing feels more it could

1523
01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:28,560
be born from Convenience To where new, orleans is done

1524
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,000
and they're just wants out And Imagine if terry rozier

1525
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,640
is allowed to be a part, of any trade then

1526
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,479
it gets easier for them to. Match the money and

1527
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,760
so you could take a yolo. Shot ON him but

1528
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,560
i don't think they look at Him or a lamello

1529
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:40,119
or anybody.

1530
01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:41,079
Speaker 2: Along those lines.

1531
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: And that's the guy that they've just been sort, of

1532
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,720
Planning around.

1533
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: Right It's, who is like who would that? Playmaker even

1534
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,000
be like we talked about the league is coming up

1535
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,199
short on, point guards now like, The, real playmakers well.

1536
01:13:55,159 --> 01:13:57,239
Speaker 1: They want THEM to have i think teams prefer them to,

1537
01:13:57,279 --> 01:14:00,560
Have size too and SO it's, Just I mean kobe

1538
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,359
white doesn't do anything for. Me for that I'd Rather

1539
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,680
just tyler hero in the five what does he play five?

1540
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:05,640
Games or Whatever, it's, been.

1541
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,359
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Yeah, it's early yeah.

1542
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,359
Speaker 1: So just before, HE'S out again i thought he LOOKED

1543
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,840
better than i was expecting coming. Out of that so

1544
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,560
if if it's any, of the names if it would cost,

1545
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,840
you actual stuff they don't move me, enough, To say

1546
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,920
yeah giannis would be, the ONE guy but i don't

1547
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,600
Know that he's his playmaking going downhill is better than

1548
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,159
anyone else is on the. Heat right, now so yeah

1549
01:14:25,159 --> 01:14:26,880
that would make it a huge difference if, you get

1550
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,760
him but straddling, THAT middle ground i don't want To

1551
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,279
say it's, zion OR bust But I mean benedig maatherin

1552
01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:33,600
would make a lot of sense, for this team but

1553
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:38,399
not as not from. A, playmaking, Standpoint NO no so

1554
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,640
i don't expect them to do, Anything too huge but

1555
01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:43,600
they're just a team to watch because they've been a.

1556
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,479
Little frisk year, another Team more the philadelphia. Seventy six

1557
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:48,920
ers can we just point out how wild it is

1558
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,000
that we've yet To Reach the cleveland cavaliers By going,

1559
01:14:51,079 --> 01:14:54,039
In standing's order, but go ahead what's your Question? FOR the,

1560
01:14:54,079 --> 01:14:58,359
cavs i mean what's your Question for the so it's

1561
01:14:58,359 --> 01:15:00,960
actually tough to come up with a question, for them

1562
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,079
because As far, as i'm concerned when they have no

1563
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:06,520
it's it's unfair to say debt money In Terms of

1564
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,840
Joel Embiid, and paul george, but you know it might

1565
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,760
as well be like they're they're not exactly long term pieces.

1566
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 2: For this team they're limited in what they can offer you.

1567
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:20,640
On THE floor so i guess my, question is overall

1568
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:24,640
how do they? Go about this like how do they enter?

1569
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,439
The trade season with the mindset of building because they

1570
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,520
Should BUILD around tyres maxi he's, their, best player obviously

1571
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:37,039
how do they, build around, that you know elephant in

1572
01:15:37,079 --> 01:15:43,000
The Room of Paul George and joel, embiid's cap hits if.

1573
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,600
THAT MAKES sense i.

1574
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,159
Speaker 1: I don't know i have no Answers for any philadelphia seventy.

1575
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:50,319
Six ERS question it's i don't think that they're going.

1576
01:15:50,359 --> 01:15:53,399
Speaker 2: TO be buyers i don't think they're.

1577
01:15:53,399 --> 01:15:55,119
Speaker 1: Gonna BE looking but i just don't even know how

1578
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:57,880
you go about if you even want to move those

1579
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,279
deals and say you don't want to build around or

1580
01:16:00,319 --> 01:16:02,520
figure out how to flesh out a. Roster around them

1581
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,600
how do you go about getting off one?

1582
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 2: Of? Those contracts right you pay up a, TON of

1583
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,600
picks i guess whatever you have at your disposal. Of

1584
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,239
moving forward but that's also just putting you at the

1585
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,720
major disadvantage in regards To Building. Around max sie this

1586
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:24,840
all just seems very very difficult. And very tricky like

1587
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:26,920
they feel.

1588
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,199
Speaker 1: A LITTLE stuck but i guess they're not stuck because

1589
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:31,960
they have a lot of, high upside guys but they

1590
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:33,439
also feel. A, little, Stuck.

1591
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 2: YEAH yeah and i don't even think. IT'S a little

1592
01:16:36,279 --> 01:16:39,479
i think. It's a lot they're very stuck here, because

1593
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,479
it's what what was this? This year alone is it

1594
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,279
one hundred? And six million they're just sitting on with

1595
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:45,239
those two guys.

1596
01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: That's out there and they got three More Years of

1597
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,000
joelle meade's extension.

1598
01:16:50,079 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 2: Starts, next, season yeah yeah WHICH is, just i, mean

1599
01:16:55,279 --> 01:16:58,479
and look they've been so good at finding Guys Like the.

1600
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,920
Quinton grimes trade, by the way kudos To the six

1601
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,640
ers as, well on this, because you know he picked up.

1602
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:09,039
His qualifying offer there are some teams out there, who, are,

1603
01:17:09,079 --> 01:17:11,920
like oh oh, you know what then we're not going

1604
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,039
to play you that much because then that's our attempt

1605
01:17:14,079 --> 01:17:17,079
to getting you back at a. Discount next year they're

1606
01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:20,359
still playing him forty three minutes per game coming, off.

1607
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:24,600
The BENCH primarily so i respect him for, Also, just

1608
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,600
acknowledging hey you, you have talent you feel, in need

1609
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,239
here let's just let's just make sure you're on the

1610
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:33,880
floor despite the fact, that you know we're giving you

1611
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,760
a lot Of Minutes, to Vijay Edgecombe. To tyrese maxi

1612
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:38,479
but they're.

1613
01:17:38,359 --> 01:17:41,079
Speaker 1: Playing very small a lot, of TIME though which i would.

1614
01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:43,920
Be worried about, in, The playoffs.

1615
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,039
Speaker 2: Right kelly oopra, has you know hasn't played, much this

1616
01:17:47,159 --> 01:17:50,119
year so he'll add some size, if he, can you

1617
01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:53,239
know prove that he's healthy over. A long Stretch trent and.

1618
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:57,039
WATFORD six eight. I think no i like surprised it

1619
01:17:57,039 --> 01:17:58,600
took you. THIS long. Time i know i'm surprised it

1620
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,279
took you this long. TO mention. It, I know see

1621
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,479
i'm trying to. REEL myself in i would also like.

1622
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,359
To compliment you you Only Brought up, reached shepherd once

1623
01:18:06,399 --> 01:18:10,039
and This Is an. Eastern conference podcast. I'm very impressed. There's,

1624
01:18:10,039 --> 01:18:12,520
still time yeah. There's still time but, by.

1625
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: The way the other element of all this is there

1626
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,520
seven point three million dollars. Into the tax that's a

1627
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,800
number to, where it's like look at where they are,

1628
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,800
in the standings look at what they have to contend,

1629
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,159
with moving forward especially if they Want To pay quenton grimes.

1630
01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:27,239
Speaker 2: Beyond this season, Do you look i'm.

1631
01:18:27,279 --> 01:18:29,399
Speaker 1: SURE you could i don't know if this is a prudent,

1632
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,479
use Of assets but i'm sure a team Would Take

1633
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:35,079
on kelly ubridge junior and he should just about. Get

1634
01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:36,920
you there what is he? Making this season he's, in,

1635
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,359
The sevens right so that gets? You pretty close or

1636
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,039
is he eight which would be even better for, The

1637
01:18:42,039 --> 01:18:44,800
SIXERS obviously so i don't know if that would, be

1638
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,039
A focus but i wouldn't shock me, if, they go

1639
01:18:48,119 --> 01:18:52,239
yeah he's at, eight point four, so and like that's

1640
01:18:52,279 --> 01:18:53,199
not a guy you just want.

1641
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 2: To give up but you could Do It with quenton

1642
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:55,239
grimes at.

1643
01:18:55,239 --> 01:18:58,239
Speaker 1: Eight point seven but he has the implicit no trade

1644
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,800
and his bird rides aren't transfer so unless he's just

1645
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,119
resigned to getting the, mid level exception does he even?

1646
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:07,000
Accept A trade and i think if you want to do,

1647
01:19:07,079 --> 01:19:10,199
something This season If jowell and beats, on the roster

1648
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:12,079
it's just your big man rotation is. What it is,

1649
01:19:12,119 --> 01:19:14,680
you have Him You, have andre drummond you Are Gonna

1650
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,600
have dominic barlow playing a little a den bone a.

1651
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,680
Filling in minutes can they get like an actual sized

1652
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,920
wing on this team Who's Not really Paul george Or.

1653
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,119
Kelly brid jr might give you a little bit MORE

1654
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,840
defensively Than I like naji marshall would make a lot

1655
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:29,199
of sense.

1656
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 2: FOR this team i just but again it comes back

1657
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:34,319
to what.

1658
01:19:34,279 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: Are you will they have, interesting trade assets not the

1659
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,199
least of Which is that clippers twenty twenty eight, first

1660
01:19:39,239 --> 01:19:41,199
round pick so they wanted to, go all.

1661
01:19:41,079 --> 01:19:44,279
Speaker 2: In but like could They Get? A tarry eason like

1662
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,600
is there Something there with houston that they Could like

1663
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,239
a Jared McCain for tarry easton deal might be Interesting?

1664
01:19:51,239 --> 01:19:54,119
For the sixer sure you don't think that you wouldn't

1665
01:19:54,119 --> 01:19:57,359
want the extra Like Looking beyond reed shepherd Long, term

1666
01:19:57,359 --> 01:20:00,680
in houston You don't view jared McCain too years left on. His,

1667
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,039
rookie scale. No you're, Faking you're. Right you're right the

1668
01:20:03,079 --> 01:20:05,279
salary component does. MAKE a difference i do. Agree with

1669
01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:07,840
that that's fair in, terms of, just you know in

1670
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,720
isolation and in A vacuum is i wouldn't HATE it

1671
01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:15,960
or i would hate It, for FOR houston but i

1672
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,720
would actually really Hate. It for houston what Is It

1673
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,159
about harry easan that has? You, so, pilled oh look

1674
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:27,039
we'll get to him next episode, if like sure. Because

1675
01:20:27,079 --> 01:20:27,560
we haven't.

1676
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: We're just you can assume he shoots fifty plus percent

1677
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,199
and finally from, THREE and.

1678
01:20:33,239 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 2: Finally i also want him to Be, put, into okay,

1679
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,319
fine fuck it It's the, six ers. Anyway they're stuck

1680
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,039
like we have, answered the question? Are, They stuck yes,

1681
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:46,600
EASTAN'T to ME i mean. I watched him it's hunting.

1682
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:49,640
College as well, THE transition thing i never he's never

1683
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,119
been given THE role that i think He, Should, have

1684
01:20:53,279 --> 01:20:56,279
offensively defensively he just. Makes things WORK he's, what i,

1685
01:20:56,319 --> 01:20:59,800
call you know. A, DEFENSIVE playmaker offensively i think he's

1686
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:04,199
been put too much into, half court situations which a

1687
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:07,119
low KEY hate because i think he would be such

1688
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:10,439
a ridiculously. Good transition player like if you put him

1689
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,319
In my on miami right now as primarily, a play

1690
01:21:13,359 --> 01:21:15,960
finisher well you'd have to put a guard alongside him

1691
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,199
to actually give, Them the ball but that would be so.

1692
01:21:19,399 --> 01:21:21,800
Interesting to me now That Was the. Tar eastern bit

1693
01:21:22,399 --> 01:21:24,079
in terms of, THE six er i do have a

1694
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:28,119
question to question for you, that draft, pick you know

1695
01:21:28,279 --> 01:21:30,800
or just whatever draft pick they can scrunch up. That

1696
01:21:31,039 --> 01:21:34,800
are attractive would rather go out and make a move

1697
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:39,880
that makes them better using those that? Those draft picks

1698
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,680
or would you rather use them to get off the embiid,

1699
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,319
or you know especially the Pole or The joel. And

1700
01:21:46,359 --> 01:21:50,279
bee contract here's. Here's a scenario there have to be other.

1701
01:21:50,319 --> 01:21:54,119
Speaker 1: Moving parts involved you Give back the clippers their twenty,

1702
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:57,359
twenty eight pick the twenty, twenty nine Swap Trade them

1703
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,359
joel embiid And, You Get.

1704
01:21:59,399 --> 01:22:05,079
Speaker 2: Zubats kawhi leonard there have to be other moving. Parts,

1705
01:22:05,079 --> 01:22:06,600
in there Yeah and the clippers can.

1706
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: LOOK at it i don't know If if the clippers

1707
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,239
aren't getting back they were on twenty six and, TWENTY

1708
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:11,800
seven picks i don't know if the appetite. Is for

1709
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,079
that but getting back control over those two, first round

1710
01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:17,000
picks even if it was you take Back to well

1711
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:18,479
Embiid and it's kauhi Going.

1712
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 2: Out and zubots isn't, INVOLVED or whatever i would, with

1713
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,920
that accomplished both the sixers. Would, get better. YEAH that's interesting.

1714
01:22:27,399 --> 01:22:31,359
I LIKE that, That's, I mean kawhi i've that he

1715
01:22:31,399 --> 01:22:35,560
would be such a ridiculous. And IMMEDIATE upgrade it's i.

1716
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,439
KNOW he's older i know he still earns a lot

1717
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,760
of money this year, and next year but that contract.

1718
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,520
Is not long he he might not play. Every single

1719
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,960
game we know for a fact. That he won't but,

1720
01:22:47,079 --> 01:22:51,279
when he's, HEALTHY oh my i mean we saw it

1721
01:22:51,279 --> 01:22:57,399
in the. Playoffs last year the amount of of ceiling

1722
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,840
racing that he would give, them Is, frankly serve yeah.

1723
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:06,279
That's that's INTERESTING with the i wonder Who. Bite the

1724
01:23:06,279 --> 01:23:10,159
clippers you're getting back control of your two. First round

1725
01:23:10,199 --> 01:23:12,279
picks you have to at least, consider it right because

1726
01:23:12,279 --> 01:23:15,479
you could also talk yourself into so you could say

1727
01:23:16,319 --> 01:23:18,319
the two years that you don't, have your pick that it's.

1728
01:23:18,359 --> 01:23:20,680
Going to okay see, you, could say well maybe we

1729
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,279
just catch lightning in A bottle with himbeid and. We're

1730
01:23:23,319 --> 01:23:24,840
good Enough the other, by the way The other THING

1731
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,119
grant and i have talked about this is what if

1732
01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:32,039
You were the clippers and YOU went to, okac and

1733
01:23:32,079 --> 01:23:34,880
said we will give you twenty thirty twenty thirty one,

1734
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,520
as a swap twenty thirty Two And a Vita Zubots

1735
01:23:39,159 --> 01:23:43,880
For Usman, jang kenridge williams and then our two pick next.

1736
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,640
Two pick back now THE appeal for, okac, Would be

1737
01:23:48,319 --> 01:23:49,760
yeah zubots is going to Be.

1738
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 1: Cheaper than hartenstett you could also Maybe you Trade zubots

1739
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,279
to indiana and get another, first round pick but you're

1740
01:23:55,319 --> 01:23:57,960
getting those. Out your picks you're getting three right for

1741
01:23:58,039 --> 01:24:02,079
two while getting zubotsh value to you either After you

1742
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:05,760
let hartenstein go or just as. Another TRADE asset and,

1743
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,800
i would argue, from okc's perspective, oh my god they're

1744
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,479
punting on this whatever pick in twenty, twenty Six one

1745
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,960
the clippers might just. Turn things around not they're not gonna,

1746
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,720
be a contender BUT they're probably i would assume they're

1747
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,760
not gonna have an incentive to be bad so long

1748
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:19,199
as they don't.

1749
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 2: Have those picks AND.

1750
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 1: IF you're okc i would also argue integrading just to

1751
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,199
use the high end NAMES in aj Dibinsa. OR a, CAMBOOZER,

1752
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:29,800
i know okayc if all teams, could do it but

1753
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:33,319
you know you're gonna be good enough in twenty. Six

1754
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,520
twenty seven you might even be willing to bite the

1755
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,920
salary bullets through twenty twenty eight if you start having

1756
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,640
first round picks that you could either move around for

1757
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,439
different assets or you're able to continue filling the pipeline.

1758
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,960
Beyond these years you don't have any extra first round

1759
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,199
picks aside from your own in thirty thirty, ONE thirty

1760
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:52,239
two i. THINK it's more i think most People would

1761
01:24:52,279 --> 01:24:54,279
say i'm insane and the thunder, would SAY no. BUT

1762
01:24:54,279 --> 01:24:55,840
i would i would CONSIDER it if i. Were, THE

1763
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,000
thunder look i Just got the. CLIPPERS back all i got.

1764
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,640
Them back four they're all four of their next. First round,

1765
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,840
picks You're welcome, los, angeles great Great and those that

1766
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,520
was the team we. Were, talking about Sure well.

1767
01:25:07,359 --> 01:25:10,399
Speaker 2: The philly was. Adjacent, to it no here's the wrap Up.

1768
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,079
Speaker 1: Question on philly do you think they're more likely to

1769
01:25:13,159 --> 01:25:16,359
make a move that improves their team or improves?

1770
01:25:16,399 --> 01:25:21,600
Speaker 2: Their tax bill improves? The, Tax, Bill honestly Yeah that's.

1771
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,039
Where i'm at we're, on To Finally.

1772
01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:27,079
Speaker 1: THE cleveland cavaliers i never would have guessed in a

1773
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:31,039
million zillion trillion years that it would have taken us

1774
01:25:31,079 --> 01:25:33,520
this long to, get to them and we were. Going

1775
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,720
by record my question for them more, Is, very simple

1776
01:25:38,279 --> 01:25:39,159
yeah should?

1777
01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:46,199
Speaker 2: We, be concerned, well all right so when people started

1778
01:25:46,199 --> 01:25:48,840
freaking out about the way they lost in the playoffs,

1779
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,000
THAT last year i thought that was a little bit

1780
01:25:51,039 --> 01:25:54,319
dramatic because They'd Only had kenney atkinson. For that year

1781
01:25:54,359 --> 01:25:56,319
that was his Debut season in cleveland as, A head,

1782
01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:59,439
coach i figured and they just went through a bit

1783
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:01,720
of an injury period at that specific. POINT in time, i,

1784
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,880
was like look that's just too many issues like that

1785
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,560
will iron itself out come next year. They'll be fine

1786
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,239
i'm not Overly concerned because garland obviously has only played

1787
01:26:14,319 --> 01:26:18,680
nine games he's been in That lineup that alan. Has played?

1788
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,720
In what ten is he up to ten games or,

1789
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:25,920
Whatever It, is jared allen, He's, fifteen fifteen sorry but,

1790
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:28,079
you're you're right he's. Been in out oh he's, missed, ten.

1791
01:26:28,279 --> 01:26:32,359
Yeah yeah yeah and also he just hasn't been that

1792
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,479
good this year with his, fifth, which yeah yeah it's

1793
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:36,279
been the whole even.

1794
01:26:36,279 --> 01:26:38,239
Speaker 1: When he's healthy it feels like they're playing mobile at,

1795
01:26:38,279 --> 01:26:39,960
the five MORE which is i don't know if you

1796
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,000
consider that ideal or not If.

1797
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 2: You're the calves They're Also, integrating JALEN sison which i

1798
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,279
think is something. That's been good he's been, he's been

1799
01:26:48,319 --> 01:26:50,720
good but like they're integrating him in a way, where

1800
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,720
you know he wasn't really a part of that whole,

1801
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,520
Thing last year so like that's a brand new component you're,

1802
01:26:55,560 --> 01:27:02,279
adding to it. More wing ORIENTED so am i? Concerned,

1803
01:27:03,319 --> 01:27:08,960
Right now no if we're looking at the same picture in,

1804
01:27:09,079 --> 01:27:15,680
about a month, The, Answer changes yes i'm, not CONCERNED

1805
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,960
either and i would echo a lot of what you

1806
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:22,880
said and just also add their best four guys have

1807
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,880
played fifty seven minutes together so, far this year during

1808
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,920
which time they have a net rating of, almost THIRTY

1809
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,640
one so i know injury stuff might.

1810
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: ALWAYS be there i do we think that this is

1811
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,880
the New Version. OF darius garland i would say no

1812
01:27:35,039 --> 01:27:36,760
if the, concern, would be oh is he just not

1813
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,199
going to be, healthy this year which is certainly. ON

1814
01:27:39,239 --> 01:27:41,680
the table i guess there's concerns about If You wanted

1815
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,119
evan mobley to be the. Number one option it feels

1816
01:27:44,119 --> 01:27:47,760
like it takes too much for him to for them

1817
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,039
to create advantages for him on offense or for him

1818
01:27:50,079 --> 01:27:52,800
to create. His own ADVANTAGES that's something i guess. To

1819
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,000
look at but this is still just the Too Much

1820
01:27:55,039 --> 01:27:59,319
of evan mobley's basically a role Player takes that i've

1821
01:27:59,359 --> 01:28:02,000
seen over the, last couple weeks or just it feels

1822
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,279
like a fundamental disconnect.

1823
01:28:03,279 --> 01:28:04,520
Speaker 2: From this team and if they were, TO.

1824
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: Do anything, i would say could you try and do

1825
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:12,079
something to, Get You know DeAndre, hunter IS fine but

1826
01:28:12,119 --> 01:28:13,960
i think you could probably make the case on certain

1827
01:28:14,039 --> 01:28:16,800
Nights That if max druce, ever gets healthy he's will

1828
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,880
give you just as much on defense while. More on

1829
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,960
offense but this team Is Just like sam merril's missed a.

1830
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,880
BUNCH of TIME i can't i just can't bring myself

1831
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:26,399
to have a strong. OPINION of that i know we're

1832
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:29,159
doing the Injury thing with, cleveland EVERY year but i

1833
01:28:29,199 --> 01:28:31,199
think this team is really good and it kind of

1834
01:28:31,239 --> 01:28:34,119
falls in the same Bucket, as the knicks where if

1835
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:36,239
you pick them to come Out, of the east you're

1836
01:28:36,279 --> 01:28:38,640
probably not feeling any better. About your pick but should

1837
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,960
you be feeling that much worse based off what you've

1838
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,079
seen this year and the injuries? They've dealt, with but

1839
01:28:44,399 --> 01:28:46,920
look if they could go out because they have first round,

1840
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,119
picks to trade, by the way so if they wanted

1841
01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:50,479
to get they're not gonna get out of the second

1842
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,680
aprin they're twenty. Two million in but if you could

1843
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,239
put first round equity on the table And, get herb

1844
01:28:55,359 --> 01:28:58,000
jones is that someone that you like is like a

1845
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,920
better sort of fifth on this Team Than a max

1846
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,640
Druce Or a DeAndre hunter or YOU would Prefer i

1847
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,000
think struce is kind of the, standard, bearer there right?

1848
01:29:06,039 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 2: We would agree or do? You? Think, THAT yeah NO

1849
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:12,399
i think i think So Because, with herb jones. He's

1850
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:14,920
his shooting we've seen it go. Up and down i'm,

1851
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,359
not and, THAT so yeah i Guess We're.

1852
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,560
Speaker 1: The herb jones thing for me was if you did

1853
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,720
want to play mobile more at the five and you

1854
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,039
think maybe you're, gonna increasingly close It Feels like herb

1855
01:29:24,119 --> 01:29:24,800
jones would make a.

1856
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 2: Lot, OF sense yeah i think that that. Would, be

1857
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:32,279
interesting defensively they'd. BE ridiculously good i wonder if they

1858
01:29:32,319 --> 01:29:34,319
need something more off the bench in, terms of like

1859
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,079
well not, offensive fire proper because they do Have a

1860
01:29:37,119 --> 01:29:40,800
lot when you really, THINK about it i see the

1861
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:43,640
problem is everything we're doing is unless you just think

1862
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:45,680
that they're not going to be healthy at any, POINT

1863
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,960
this season i don't think you need to do. Anything

1864
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,439
there is they've been Mentioned As a yannis. STARK horse too,

1865
01:29:52,079 --> 01:29:56,319
i Don't See Like darius garland allen and your picks,

1866
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:58,920
like maybe that but like maybe the bucks would. BITE

1867
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:00,239
on that i guess the other thing you to do

1868
01:30:00,279 --> 01:30:03,880
is would you TRADE this seems i DON'T even know

1869
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:04,359
i could wrap.

1870
01:30:04,359 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 1: MY head around i have had Would You trade Evan?

1871
01:30:06,039 --> 01:30:09,000
Mobley For yannis evan mobley in first Round? Picks for yannis?

1872
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:13,199
Speaker 2: Like straight up the other salary has to, be and

1873
01:30:13,359 --> 01:30:15,600
well maybe not. The, other salary yeah what have the other?

1874
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,359
The other? Teams because right, or maybe not because it's

1875
01:30:18,359 --> 01:30:21,439
ACTUALLY funny because i just wrote like an entire Thing

1876
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,880
over AT yahoo where i was making twenty nine trade

1877
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:29,319
suggest Suggestions for for YANNA'S and basically i said None

1878
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,720
for the cavaliers JUST because, they're i mean they are

1879
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,319
so deep Over the second apron that it's just ridiculously

1880
01:30:36,359 --> 01:30:40,039
difficult to find the trade that even makes sense. In

1881
01:30:40,359 --> 01:30:44,319
any capacity and plus like they would have to SHED

1882
01:30:44,359 --> 01:30:46,880
twenty two i think it's twenty two million On the

1883
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:49,439
second apron just to get the load to that point

1884
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:54,239
where they could aggregate, contracts like right, THIS it's yeah i, forgot,

1885
01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:58,119
about that right box are seventeen million from the, first

1886
01:30:58,199 --> 01:31:00,439
ape print which means if they take you, need, the

1887
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,000
nets yeah you? Need The nets right and and this

1888
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,439
this this article was only like a team, for TEAM

1889
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:10,079
trade like i wasn't looping in for HER teams when

1890
01:31:10,119 --> 01:31:14,359
i was doing. Twenty nine trades, but but no if

1891
01:31:14,359 --> 01:31:16,760
you're asking me Straight Up like evan mopley And stuff

1892
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,840
for giannis in a vacuum and we're just Ignoring like the,

1893
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:23,439
Aprons and whatnot i'm, going, gi honest.

1894
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,159
Speaker 1: SIR absolutely, am i mean he's, the better player but just,

1895
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:30,039
THE time horizon i just wonder what you if it's

1896
01:31:30,079 --> 01:31:32,600
straight up, okay if that but if you're Talking about so,

1897
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:36,239
cleveland can trade they're twenty thirty and twenty thirty two,

1898
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:38,319
first round picks you would be Giving those to evan

1899
01:31:38,359 --> 01:31:40,680
and Saying We're on, donovan mitchell's timeline and like we're

1900
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:41,800
just gonna, we're, Going.

1901
01:31:42,039 --> 01:31:47,279
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah Donovan mitchell and giannisanompo on the same team going. Into, the.

1902
01:31:47,319 --> 01:31:50,840
Playoffs yes please both of those guys have proven time

1903
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,279
and time again that they raised their level of play.

1904
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,279
In the POSTSEASON why wouldn't i be? All? Over, THAT

1905
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,560
ah man i DON'T know if i. Could do, it but,

1906
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,640
see that's like that's, that's also why, LIKE you know

1907
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,079
i always pick up certain PLAYERS like and i find myself,

1908
01:32:07,079 --> 01:32:10,680
annoyed with them like guys who don't step up. In

1909
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:12,720
the playoffs that is just like one of. My main

1910
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,760
Issues like and I'm Not saying, evan Mobiley Doesn't but

1911
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:19,239
I'M i'm just i think there's certain players who we

1912
01:32:19,399 --> 01:32:21,560
just have to look at and go if we know

1913
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,279
historically they raise their level of play when. IT matters

1914
01:32:25,359 --> 01:32:29,079
most i feel as though they should be prioritized to,

1915
01:32:29,119 --> 01:32:31,600
a bigger sense Like that's why, I'm so, low for

1916
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,760
Example On It, jared jackson junior like someone, who, JUST

1917
01:32:35,279 --> 01:32:37,640
again Yeah i know i'm playing all, the hits today

1918
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:41,479
but Still that's what i'm, getting, back to like you

1919
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,520
need to have guys who become ceiling racers and who

1920
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,800
answered the playoffs with this, mindset, Of oh yeah i'm

1921
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:52,000
better THAN you. Thought i was all this, is to

1922
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,359
say let we do this Question from. M tavars fifteen

1923
01:32:54,399 --> 01:32:56,159
do You think the cats Have to trade garland because

1924
01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:59,399
of How he and mitchell overlap. On, The, floor, NO

1925
01:32:59,399 --> 01:33:02,319
no HONESTLY i Think I think don mitchell, Has BEEN

1926
01:33:02,319 --> 01:33:04,760
fantastic but i also kind Of Think like darius garland

1927
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,760
does more at his peak to tie everyone else together on,

1928
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:11,319
THE offensive. End I think but i do think this

1929
01:33:11,399 --> 01:33:12,039
is and.

1930
01:33:12,119 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: This isn't spicy we're kind of in the final year

1931
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,239
of just we're not unless they, win at all like

1932
01:33:16,279 --> 01:33:18,680
the two bigs and two small guards that will be

1933
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,960
busted up this summer if they, fall short again. And

1934
01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:24,039
that's fair my final stands To them is i'm not

1935
01:33:24,079 --> 01:33:26,600
concerned if they were gonna. MAKE a move i might

1936
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:28,439
just be looking to get someone who can play the

1937
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:31,640
four during those mobili minutes when he is, at the

1938
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,000
five and they might look they, Have those guys but

1939
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:35,680
if they were looking, For An upgrade herb jones would.

1940
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,359
Be the Dream but justin champagne could work that They

1941
01:33:38,399 --> 01:33:40,920
Could fit naji marshall into. Their salary structure we're just playing.

1942
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:46,159
The hits again our next team more in the Standings Is.

1943
01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:47,680
Your atlanta hawks what is your?

1944
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:51,039
Speaker 2: QUESTION for them i have been thinking SO hard because

1945
01:33:51,079 --> 01:33:53,039
i was kind of counting IT out that i, would have,

1946
01:33:53,119 --> 01:33:56,800
to you know get a question. Out of that i'm,

1947
01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:01,640
struggling FINDING one but i think maybe. There Is something

1948
01:34:02,039 --> 01:34:05,520
and i'm not sure it's trade oriented, in that regard

1949
01:34:06,079 --> 01:34:09,680
but it's worth keeping. Your eye, On so soccer richet

1950
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:14,359
is having a what's THE kind word, A soso season.

1951
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:20,079
A meh season he's not hitting from the outside from

1952
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:24,800
someone who's six,' nine six.' ten he's barely rebounding everything

1953
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:29,760
seems like. It's just? A sophomore? Slump? Is it is

1954
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:33,199
it like are we looking at someone who we have

1955
01:34:33,279 --> 01:34:37,159
this in these inflated expectations for because he was the,

1956
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:42,640
first pick of a draft fully ignoring that that specific draft.

1957
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:47,520
Was all types of, Horseshit, SO that's my question.

1958
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 1: Like i guess it's tough for me to say that

1959
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,319
WE need to recalibrate when i don't think anyone pegged him, as,

1960
01:34:56,359 --> 01:34:59,279
A star COMING out.

1961
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:03,159
Speaker 2: RIGHT but, this i mean i, mean YOU know he's

1962
01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:05,880
starting but i don't, even want, to call him you

1963
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:12,000
know having starter starting, player, INFLUENCE At, this point right

1964
01:35:12,359 --> 01:35:14,760
i so but what is the what is the question

1965
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:17,000
here is just do you want them? To? Sell? High

1966
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:22,359
on him? Selling basically what's to do that's my Question

1967
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,520
just with, Him because i'm actually like i'm impressed that,

1968
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,119
he hasn't PLAYED a lot but, when kp has been

1969
01:35:28,159 --> 01:35:31,079
there he's been putting. Up almost twenty, a game By

1970
01:35:31,079 --> 01:35:34,279
The Way Hello ni quille alex santo walker averaging. Almost twenty.

1971
01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:37,359
One per game that's wonderful like there are a, lot

1972
01:35:37,399 --> 01:35:40,880
Of Great, Stuff happening Like Jalen, johnson hlear Lcrowd ALL

1973
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:43,159
star probably an all nba guy if you finished, the

1974
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:47,239
year out this Way there's just so much, Like Elsewhere

1975
01:35:47,279 --> 01:35:49,399
on the roster trey young. Has only played five games

1976
01:35:49,399 --> 01:35:51,199
it's gonna be interesting to see if he can like

1977
01:35:51,279 --> 01:35:53,800
buy in into the same ankle as everyone. Else, WHEN

1978
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:57,960
he comes back like i kind of low Y liked

1979
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:02,079
this team because i don't think, associate them with you.

1980
01:36:02,119 --> 01:36:05,000
Know finals expectations or anything we're just kind of intrigued to,

1981
01:36:05,039 --> 01:36:08,319
see can they move forward can they find a way

1982
01:36:08,399 --> 01:36:10,800
to like? Make All The pieces fit and resa shay

1983
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:13,680
was one of, Those pieces Or presume pieces and what

1984
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:17,680
i'm really asking is should we still? Consider him one

1985
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,079
of Those should we just because I'm open to the

1986
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:22,920
idea dan that this, is just a sophomore slump that.

1987
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,840
This COULD just, Mean NOTHING and i hope i'm, I

1988
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:30,560
HOPE that's the case but i the little voice in

1989
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,279
the back of my, HEAD is kind. Of saying i

1990
01:36:32,359 --> 01:36:34,439
don't know. I'm. Not sure about that.

1991
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 1: Man if they Coming To that verdict when trey, young

1992
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,000
HAS played so, little because i think specifically When You

1993
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,800
look at what reesa shay can give you inside the

1994
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:51,159
arc with his, CAUGHT LIKE type of games i i

1995
01:36:51,159 --> 01:36:53,359
think that he might Be More dependent on what tray

1996
01:36:53,399 --> 01:36:55,439
young does As A playmaker than what jalen johnson might.

1997
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:57,920
Be doing as a, playmaker But To your point, if jalen,

1998
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:01,520
johnson is gonna you know be like eating This Crazy

1999
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,560
transition attack like reese. Cha's supposed to thrive there i've

2000
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,880
given a lot of thought to like does The Spacing

2001
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:10,159
get wonky and Reese Chay's minutes because of dyson daniels

2002
01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:12,359
being on The Floor. And EVEN a Jalen johnson so

2003
01:37:12,399 --> 01:37:15,479
i think trey. Is ALL sorts of important but i

2004
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,920
think it's. PROBABLY fair to be concerned i just don't

2005
01:37:19,319 --> 01:37:22,119
it'd be different if we viewed him in like even

2006
01:37:22,119 --> 01:37:23,520
if we viewed him just To go back to the

2007
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,760
cavs because we, were just talking about them we Thought

2008
01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:28,920
That he, was at darius, Garland's LEVEL an all. STAR

2009
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,479
all nba type player i don't think anyone. Had him

2010
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:34,119
build As that even, when the hawks took him he

2011
01:37:34,199 --> 01:37:35,600
was the consonant feels like.

2012
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:36,039
Speaker 2: The plug and.

2013
01:37:36,039 --> 01:37:40,680
Speaker 1: Play Fit type of, GUY and atlanta to me i

2014
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,720
think needs to address more wholesale questions before they Get Into. Their,

2015
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:45,800
concern for reesa's shay now is it easier to move

2016
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:48,720
him if You were going in on yannis to where

2017
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:50,399
maybe over the summer you Mighty Said we're not including

2018
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:53,279
reesa sae if we go, in for free honest now

2019
01:37:53,319 --> 01:37:55,039
because you probably Don't Want to, give u jalen johnson

2020
01:37:55,079 --> 01:37:56,840
either even though those two. WOULD be a, weird fit

2021
01:37:57,439 --> 01:38:01,720
i don't, know it's this. Is like this, is TOUGH

2022
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:03,920
it's year two so i would. Throw it Out the

2023
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,479
window and the Hawks Just. With, not having tray young

2024
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,399
Now if you think the hawks is Ultimately Vision, does

2025
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:12,560
not include trey young now we're. HAVING another type of

2026
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,039
discussion i just don't resiche is so low on my

2027
01:38:16,119 --> 01:38:18,039
list of PRIORITIES for this team because i feel like

2028
01:38:18,079 --> 01:38:20,319
they have more of a wholesale question, standing them, in

2029
01:38:20,319 --> 01:38:24,079
the face which is do you think that they're actually better?

2030
01:38:24,119 --> 01:38:27,600
OFF and buy better off, i mean not hitting restart

2031
01:38:28,079 --> 01:38:29,159
but do you think that they're Just A?

2032
01:38:29,159 --> 01:38:35,640
Speaker 2: Better, TEAM without TRAY young WELL i mean I just

2033
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:37,760
i don't feel i, Have, enough data for that like,

2034
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:42,640
because How would All, right so nikola accent walker, just

2035
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:46,600
to use? An, example he's blown Up right is that

2036
01:38:47,119 --> 01:38:50,000
because trey hasn't been there or would he actually just

2037
01:38:50,039 --> 01:38:53,159
have been able to Do The same, thing alongside tray

2038
01:38:53,239 --> 01:38:55,279
for me it's always been like the collective buy in

2039
01:38:55,399 --> 01:38:58,840
for everyone and also like. The, Finding The right Fit

2040
01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:03,560
Nikila alexander walker and dyson daniels seem to me to

2041
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:08,880
be more, appropriate fits, alongside trade, Than For example you

2042
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:13,319
know deontay, Murray WHEN they tried that so i would

2043
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:16,439
Like to see, him be trey that is being given

2044
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:21,039
the chance of playing with this particular You know ensemble

2045
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:24,479
cast before i'm ready to once, and for all say

2046
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:27,239
oh this. TEEM is better without him I think the

2047
01:39:27,279 --> 01:39:29,880
only conclusion i'm Ready To make is that Jalen Johnson.

2048
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,199
Is better than trey young that IS the only conclusion

2049
01:39:32,279 --> 01:39:35,199
that i would like fully. COMMITTED to at this point

2050
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:36,279
i still.

2051
01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: Have, a Tough time getting there but i'm just. Running

2052
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:42,560
out Of Reasons too like. IT'S jalen johnson's been Spectacular

2053
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:45,640
i still think the hawks are whether He's the number one,

2054
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:47,600
or trey's the number one they've kind of proven that

2055
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:48,079
they will Be.

2056
01:39:48,159 --> 01:39:51,319
Speaker 2: Decided to be? Mid uh what is this let's SAY

2057
01:39:51,319 --> 01:39:53,279
that this is. What i find, More fascinating in all

2058
01:39:53,359 --> 01:39:53,920
Likelihood They're.

2059
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 1: Not gonna move trey young They're, Not gonna trade for

2060
01:39:56,039 --> 01:39:58,199
Giannis they're not gonna move what is this?

2061
01:39:58,239 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 2: Team's biggest? Need to you as currently that, was my question? For,

2062
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:06,960
Them their biggest need, well i'm, at point guard because Again, everything,

2063
01:40:07,039 --> 01:40:09,359
Was tailed around trey right like someone who can come in.

2064
01:40:09,399 --> 01:40:11,359
And just make the Passage we can talk about trey

2065
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:15,880
being a bad defender and taking really weird shots until,

2066
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:18,960
we're blue in the face but we can't ignore the fact.

2067
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:22,800
That his playmaking is elite someone who can just come in,

2068
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:26,079
and make the right passes who, can get the transition going.

2069
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,720
Who can get everyone involved. That is still a NEED

2070
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,680
that is something THAT i Still miss and i Realize

2071
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:35,239
I'm saying that as delon johnson is doing a perfectly,

2072
01:40:35,319 --> 01:40:39,199
fine job handling that responsibility but, when push comes to

2073
01:40:39,239 --> 01:40:41,960
shove you're gonna need more guys to, be able to

2074
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:46,760
do that especially. In the potential playoff context, so point

2075
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:51,159
guard play Playmaking What about like? A, trey jones for.

2076
01:40:51,279 --> 01:40:54,359
Them YEAH that'd BE fun like i wouldn't i wouldn't

2077
01:40:54,359 --> 01:40:57,680
hate someone who's like at a lower what's the, word

2078
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:01,720
quality of, point guard who comes in who doesn't, really

2079
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:04,119
cost you that much who, is underrated a little bit

2080
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:07,359
but we'll just like FIND his way through. The, dna

2081
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:07,960
of the team.

2082
01:41:08,079 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good show do you think We have

2083
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,720
this from hind underscore ninety tray for ad What?

2084
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 2: DOES that solve for atlanta I Don't love the. Ad,

2085
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:27,279
JALEN johnson front, court, no. I mean yeah no yeah

2086
01:41:27,399 --> 01:41:29,680
i have NOTHING to say other than i agree that. Would.

2087
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:32,359
Be a weird fit yes do you?

2088
01:41:32,399 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 1: Think THAT there's ANY way and i honestly i think This,

2089
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,119
will BE blamed on trey but i think It's Also a.

2090
01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:39,279
Matter of jalen johnson too is there any way for

2091
01:41:39,319 --> 01:41:42,479
those two to bring out to? Operate at their peaks

2092
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:46,960
together because we've seen other co stars who are great

2093
01:41:47,039 --> 01:41:49,520
on the. Ball WORK off each other but i Think

2094
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:53,119
what we've seen, from trey just thus far the shortcomings

2095
01:41:53,279 --> 01:41:55,520
or at least looking at the time he, spent away

2096
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:57,399
from the ball. The sample size isn't there?

2097
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:59,119
Speaker 2: Is it? A willingness thing is it can he just?

2098
01:41:59,159 --> 01:41:59,680
NOT be used.

2099
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,279
Speaker 1: That way i Don't Know, AND then with jalen johnson

2100
01:42:02,359 --> 01:42:04,000
i just Think you have too many there's a lot

2101
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,119
of the play finishing stuff and quick decisions he can

2102
01:42:06,159 --> 01:42:07,600
make when, He's AWAY from the ball but i don't

2103
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,079
know if he's even a, good, enough shooter to say

2104
01:42:10,079 --> 01:42:11,680
well if you take the ball OUT of his hands

2105
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:15,720
for x amount of possessions x percentage of possessions per game,

2106
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:18,159
THAT he's, on the, floor i. SAY all this he's

2107
01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:22,199
shooting i want forty plus percent from three. On four

2108
01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:26,079
attempts per game under five per thirty six minutes is

2109
01:42:26,119 --> 01:42:28,600
nothing for someone who is going to. Play it In

2110
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:31,920
his position and so i'm just is IT similar, TO

2111
01:42:32,119 --> 01:42:33,199
the concerns.

2112
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:35,359
Speaker 2: I have I Guess are, less about trey.

2113
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:38,319
Speaker 1: Young Singularly Although if you believe jalen johnson's just, Better

2114
01:42:38,399 --> 01:42:41,239
and he's better defensively so that's the easier the. Positional,

2115
01:42:41,319 --> 01:42:44,960
like the positional Size sure It's similar to palo and

2116
01:42:45,079 --> 01:42:47,520
franz to where you have to ask yourself can they

2117
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,119
bring out? The best in one another AND what's interesting

2118
01:42:50,199 --> 01:42:52,319
Is that I think because palo and franz can be

2119
01:42:52,359 --> 01:42:55,319
interchangeable at both ends, and a lot of respects you feel.

2120
01:42:55,319 --> 01:42:59,279
MORE confident about those two i just want, to See More.

2121
01:42:59,279 --> 01:43:01,800
OF it EVEN jalen johnson i think i caught. SHIT

2122
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:03,720
from a few people i might have. Said HE was injury,

2123
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,319
PRONE if i said that i. Apologize with misuse of

2124
01:43:06,319 --> 01:43:10,239
Phrasing We just haven't seen jalen johnson do this for

2125
01:43:10,279 --> 01:43:13,000
an entire season of where he was. One in a

2126
01:43:13,039 --> 01:43:15,279
big role because you look at like how little he

2127
01:43:15,359 --> 01:43:17,119
was playing to open UP, his time in the nba

2128
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:20,800
and in the past two seasons we've just seen like

2129
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:24,399
his availability. Cut Short for whatever, reason so i'm Not Saying.

2130
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:27,359
Speaker 2: So you hate jalen johnson. Is what we can conclude.

2131
01:43:27,039 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying We've We've Yet To see all star

2132
01:43:29,079 --> 01:43:31,119
jalen johnson play in more than fifty.

2133
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:34,119
Speaker 2: Five fifty SIX games entire. THAT'S all i get it i.

2134
01:43:34,399 --> 01:43:40,399
THINK that's perfectly REASONABLE skepticism i get, that i disagree

2135
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:43,279
with It but that's also because i'm leaning into the optimism.

2136
01:43:43,359 --> 01:43:45,760
Of it all with him but that doesn't mean that

2137
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:48,399
what you lay out here Is not something that the

2138
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:50,159
hawks in the front offic shouldn't have in the back,

2139
01:43:50,199 --> 01:43:53,039
of their minds, as well because you're right if you

2140
01:43:53,079 --> 01:43:57,680
can't find someone to probably build around him as well

2141
01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:00,319
in terms of, like you have to consider like where

2142
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:03,119
does he come short in terms of his skill set

2143
01:44:03,159 --> 01:44:05,840
and what type of point guards. Can't, he be paired

2144
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:09,399
with yeah it's that's going. TO be a Difficult process

2145
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:13,399
I agree that trey, and jalen, are not necessarily you know,

2146
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:18,319
The most obvious compatible pairing so then it becomes a

2147
01:44:18,359 --> 01:44:20,640
Question of finding out who it's Also Just.

2148
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:22,720
Speaker 1: This version of jalen johnson, you, look at and say?

2149
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:24,840
Well can he be competitive because you want to have?

2150
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:27,520
The ball IN his hand so there i would would

2151
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:29,399
you say that this is a, good PROBLEM that they

2152
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:30,720
have though i know a lot of people Are painting

2153
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:32,520
it negative and i'm kind OF looking at it, as

2154
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:34,800
i have some concerns but this is like a. REALLY

2155
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:39,079
GOOD problem to have i i agree our Next Team.

2156
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:44,760
MORE is, The milwaukee bucks i Look i've tried to

2157
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,600
stay we'll dig into, maybe SOME less cliche stuff but

2158
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:49,399
i think the question is What?

2159
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,840
Speaker 2: Is going on with giannis?

2160
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 1: Like how does this end and if, you're not gonna

2161
01:44:55,039 --> 01:44:58,600
move him? Are you selling him now especially that He's

2162
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:02,560
dealing with the cav is this a gap year situation

2163
01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:06,840
or if you're, actively trying to get better what is

2164
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:10,720
it this team needs around him? To be, a Viable threat,

2165
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:14,359
and look to jannis's credit they're plus eight point five

2166
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:17,279
per one hundred possessions. When he's, on the court the

2167
01:45:17,359 --> 01:45:20,399
offense It's Actually Been okay when kevin, porter junior's played

2168
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:20,880
without him but.

2169
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 2: THAT sample is so small kpj.

2170
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:26,520
Speaker 1: LOOKS good SINCE coming back i Think i lean more

2171
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:29,239
towards they need to get someone else who can generate

2172
01:45:29,359 --> 01:45:32,079
shots if you want to Continue. BUILDING this thing with,

2173
01:45:32,079 --> 01:45:35,680
giannis i just don't know given not the state of,

2174
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,479
the rumor mill right now but how it's. Been since

2175
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:41,199
this Past, OFFSEASON if you're the bucks i don't know

2176
01:45:41,239 --> 01:45:44,520
how you talk yourself into anything other than we need

2177
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:46,199
to if you. Want to keep you honest since can

2178
01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:47,800
we sell. You on a gap year. We'll get a

2179
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:49,880
high pick it'll either Be, our own of the pelicans

2180
01:45:50,279 --> 01:45:53,600
and then we can revisit trade scenarios over the offseason

2181
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:54,439
or just recalibrate.

2182
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 2: Our. DIRECTION over, the offseason yeah i mean they don't

2183
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,159
have any more bullets slift in the chamber other. Than

2184
01:46:01,199 --> 01:46:03,920
that than just waiting. That is what they've done they've

2185
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:09,000
they've exhausted everything In order to they have But they

2186
01:46:09,079 --> 01:46:10,520
have a first they.

2187
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 1: COULD trade first round equity, i, don't think they should.

2188
01:46:15,319 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 2: Right but that, was, SOMETHING that opened up right i

2189
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:21,920
mean that. Wasn't, something that was available no they couldn't trade.

2190
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,079
Twenty thirty two last year they, Could trade, It in right,

2191
01:46:24,119 --> 01:46:27,159
yeah exactly so like yes new pick will be opened

2192
01:46:27,239 --> 01:46:33,439
up for. It's look at that roster look that it's

2193
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:36,800
that it's a direct result of them making these short

2194
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:40,079
term decisions over. And over and over, again AFTER winning,

2195
01:46:40,079 --> 01:46:42,600
The championship like i know box fans are going, to,

2196
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:45,359
come in, and say well context, matters and. Like, this

2197
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:48,960
scenario this scenario look at, the end of the day

2198
01:46:49,319 --> 01:46:53,319
this franchise made. A bunch, of bad decisions it happens

2199
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:56,920
it has like? What? Whoa what what is What are

2200
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,840
you faulting the? Bucks, For, doing exactly that well, SO

2201
01:47:00,119 --> 01:47:03,680
for first and foremost i don't think even, IF he

2202
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:07,000
was somewhat Limited I don't Think Trading, chris middleton, for

2203
01:47:07,039 --> 01:47:10,439
kyle kuzma generally speaking was a pretty. GOOD idea also

2204
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:13,680
fair good i also don't think it's a smart Idea

2205
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,319
if you do have giannis, in, your possession to say

2206
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:20,039
hey let's create five years of having dead cap space

2207
01:47:20,359 --> 01:47:23,720
Because Of, waving and stretching, DAMIAN lillard, BECAUSE you know i,

2208
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:26,079
understand I understood the PREDICAMENT though i'm not saying i

2209
01:47:26,079 --> 01:47:28,399
don't understand the predicament because you know he was injured

2210
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:31,560
that that leaves you. In a really tough spot but

2211
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:33,960
instead of paying for that for one year where you were,

2212
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,199
going to be without him you're now going to pay

2213
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:40,479
having five years where what is a twenty? Three million

2214
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:44,800
every single year, it's just overall to me this hasn't

2215
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:49,399
been a roster that Was fitting. Of someone of gianni's

2216
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:53,439
stature like there's him and we're not even. Sure, who's

2217
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:56,640
the second best Well This, year we've, seen ryan rawlins

2218
01:47:57,479 --> 01:48:00,000
you know EVOLVE to the Point where i consider him,

2219
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:03,119
i'm the, second best player, which also by the way

2220
01:48:03,159 --> 01:48:05,520
when you're then going out and spending One Hundred plus

2221
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:08,520
millions on mile turner and he's not immediately. THE next

2222
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:13,520
BEST player issues i just i never liked the. ROSTER

2223
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:17,760
construction post championship whatsoever i felt They, came and they Hired.

2224
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:22,319
DOC they hired dartin ham's i consider this. TEAM an

2225
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:25,399
absolute shit. SHOW i don't trust them i don't trust

2226
01:48:25,399 --> 01:48:30,439
their capability of making trades that makes them, better for

2227
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:34,039
the long term that makes them also By default more attractive.

2228
01:48:34,079 --> 01:48:37,720
FOR giannis to stay put i just so You Were against,

2229
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:41,399
the initial, damian LILLARD trade then no so i know

2230
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,720
that that was exhausting a lot OF that and that's

2231
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,960
why i mentioned afterwards the predicament they found THEMSELVES in

2232
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:52,159
after that injury I fully understand that the dame thing

2233
01:48:52,239 --> 01:48:54,720
was different to me because they found someone Who was

2234
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:57,800
at least approaching giannis's level. At, That point In time

2235
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:01,399
right so then i'm. JUST curious as. TO why i

2236
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:03,000
don't know i think the criticism for this.

2237
01:49:03,039 --> 01:49:06,079
Speaker 1: Team Is then being, OVERSTATED the, DAC eyre is i mean,

2238
01:49:06,079 --> 01:49:08,840
i don't want to like and they, clearly they've maybe

2239
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:12,720
they've honestly, the biggest criticism could be have they Cow

2240
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:16,159
toed too much to janice's whims If it's, not just

2241
01:49:16,199 --> 01:49:20,279
even yiannis's Allegiance but the whims of he's reevaluating.

2242
01:49:20,279 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 2: His future every five seconds it feels like, my Counter.

2243
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:26,960
Would just be it's yannis how Long is it they

2244
01:49:27,039 --> 01:49:29,760
had kareem and, then fifty sixty, years later Whatever.

2245
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 1: It was they get yannest that's probably what's. GONNA happen

2246
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:35,039
again THIS year i actually. Think i give them CREDIT

2247
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:37,439
the one move that, I looked at and like i

2248
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:39,920
just thought it, WAS awful in real Time I, believe

2249
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:42,199
was The Kyle kuzma. LIKE the chris middleton, Stuff i

2250
01:49:43,359 --> 01:49:45,479
Totally get. That and the dame thing it's, easy to

2251
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,720
look at, now the WAVE and stretch not that i

2252
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:50,279
guess there were some people that were on the fence About.

2253
01:49:50,279 --> 01:49:53,079
THE initial arrival of dame i appreciated we all thought

2254
01:49:53,159 --> 01:49:55,399
that's what they needed when they made like that's what.

2255
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:58,880
THEIR offense could have needed i think the only way

2256
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:01,640
that you could really fall this front office is one

2257
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:03,399
you could look at and say. They haven't gotten enough

2258
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:06,039
traction maybe out of like the draft picks, they've been able.

2259
01:50:06,079 --> 01:50:09,079
To use, that would be there's that but it's also

2260
01:50:09,279 --> 01:50:12,000
just then they should have Made the decision to move

2261
01:50:12,079 --> 01:50:14,600
jannis sooner or been more stubborn in some of. Their

2262
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:17,279
principles with team building. They, should have done that true

2263
01:50:18,279 --> 01:50:19,880
you could say, they should have done that but You

2264
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,760
are kind of discounting giannis is a once in a

2265
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:26,560
generation talent and if, These, are, the steps that yeah

2266
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:28,760
again the front office is there because you don't want

2267
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:32,159
to Make The excuse That Like lebron james and anthony

2268
01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:34,279
Davis Had control of THE russell westbrook, trade in la

2269
01:50:34,359 --> 01:50:36,760
way back when the front office is there because they,

2270
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:39,199
Need to run an interference they need. To KEEP expectations

2271
01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:41,880
in check but i also when it comes to someone,

2272
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:43,159
who's actively looking.

2273
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 2: To leave if they did What THEY could to keep

2274
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:51,079
janni I have under contract. WHO i have under contract

2275
01:50:51,399 --> 01:50:55,159
i AM not obligated as an nba franchise to TRADE

2276
01:50:55,319 --> 01:50:59,319
my star player if i have him on under contract

2277
01:50:59,399 --> 01:51:02,119
for a, COUPLE of years at least i, UNDERSTAND if

2278
01:51:02,119 --> 01:51:03,840
he is like i want, To get out of here

2279
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:06,640
i'm going to make. It a mess for you but if,

2280
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:09,279
you believe in your vision if you believe you can

2281
01:51:09,319 --> 01:51:12,680
go out there, and actually make some prudent smart moves

2282
01:51:13,079 --> 01:51:17,000
just by having a spread, OF patience and doing so

2283
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:20,960
i will also have to, believe that, my own superstar,

2284
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:25,960
You know, will realize eventually oh shit they ACTUALLY brought

2285
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,359
in guys. Who I can play with perhaps i was.

2286
01:51:28,439 --> 01:51:31,560
Just A little too impatient now i'm. Happy again Because

2287
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:34,800
we're winning thank you bucks. For doing the right thing it's.

2288
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:39,479
Just the thing you said it. Just reacting on a whim.

2289
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,720
THAT'S an issue. For me i WOULDN'T okay maybe that's why.

2290
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:44,960
I would also get fired i would never. Run an

2291
01:51:45,039 --> 01:51:47,319
organization that way if MY star player was and i

2292
01:51:47,319 --> 01:51:50,039
had him on a contract for at least two or three, years,

2293
01:51:50,039 --> 01:51:52,000
AND he was like no i don't know IF this

2294
01:51:52,079 --> 01:51:53,880
is the direction. I want to go in, i'm just

2295
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:56,920
like tough shit let me prove. To YOU that you're wrong.

2296
01:51:58,359 --> 01:52:00,880
Speaker 1: And i guess THAT'S where WE differ is i would i,

2297
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:03,159
would take THAT stance personally at least I would like

2298
01:52:03,159 --> 01:52:04,640
to think i would have the. Goal to take, that

2299
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:08,560
stance the Reality, is especially with the yannis even him

2300
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:12,880
saft launching his trade demand over the past however many

2301
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:14,960
months if you, date back to the offseason has been

2302
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:17,520
problematic enough if you're GONNA turn him into a i

2303
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:19,439
don't think he'd, ever quit on the team, but just

2304
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:22,439
the mal content. It's THAT'S tough TO do and. I

2305
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:27,159
think i Don't know i. Just don't they've made missteps

2306
01:52:27,159 --> 01:52:28,720
i'm not trying to say they were perfect and they.

2307
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 2: HANDLED all of this.

2308
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 1: Ideally i just feel like the hand, they've like. THEY'VE

2309
01:52:33,199 --> 01:52:36,159
made them they've acted i think the way that you

2310
01:52:36,199 --> 01:52:38,600
Would want a team with jannis to act is.

2311
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:41,840
Speaker 2: That they've never held Back would Like. Look at dame

2312
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:44,319
In portland we criticized the blazers a lot for half

2313
01:52:44,359 --> 01:52:47,199
measure after. Half Measure, after half measure the, bucks for

2314
01:52:47,239 --> 01:52:50,680
the most Part seem like they've made they've, sometimes been

2315
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:52,680
the wrong measures but they've tried to, make THE full

2316
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:55,479
TILT measures and i guess i give them more credit

2317
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,720
for That to end on the it's it All, STARTS

2318
01:52:58,720 --> 01:53:01,079
and ENDS with yannis i don't i think now it

2319
01:53:01,119 --> 01:53:03,319
would be irresponsible for them to make a move to

2320
01:53:03,359 --> 01:53:05,079
try and upgrade the roster while giving.

2321
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:08,239
Speaker 1: Up First round equity any ryan robins if they wanted

2322
01:53:08,239 --> 01:53:11,600
to move. HIM when he's trade eligible i think at

2323
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:13,760
this point it has to. Be one of two things is, they,

2324
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:15,760
Sit there and say hey gyanis this is going. To

2325
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:17,680
be a gap year we'll get a high draft pick

2326
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:19,960
and then we will reevaluate over. The summer our trade

2327
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:22,680
options with that draft pick, plus two more opening up

2328
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:24,560
we'd be able to trade up, to three first round

2329
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,399
picks or maybe it's two first round picks and we're,

2330
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:29,159
developing this player we draft or they just need. To

2331
01:53:29,159 --> 01:53:31,880
look at moving him there's no like and we all

2332
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:34,840
know how To with all the pushback, i've provided to

2333
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:35,399
you more we.

2334
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:36,239
Speaker 2: All know how this.

2335
01:53:36,359 --> 01:53:40,079
Speaker 1: Ends giannis is getting traded it's just are they gonna

2336
01:53:40,079 --> 01:53:42,279
be able to prolong. It a little bit longer is it,

2337
01:53:42,279 --> 01:53:44,000
gonna happen by the deadline or is it, gonna happen

2338
01:53:44,039 --> 01:53:45,560
over the offseason or does it happen in. THE middle

2339
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:48,079
of next, season i honestly don't know because of the way.

2340
01:53:48,119 --> 01:53:51,600
THIS saga has played out i. Do think there's something

2341
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:53,800
too there is value At this point as the bucks

2342
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:56,399
to where you could say we are, ripping off the

2343
01:53:56,439 --> 01:53:58,800
band aid Is that it feels like giannis has been pushing. Them,

2344
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:01,479
to make the decision anyway this is the classic case

2345
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:04,239
of neither side wants to. Break up with the others

2346
01:54:04,359 --> 01:54:07,159
you've probably Reached, the POINT of the bucks but i

2347
01:54:07,159 --> 01:54:09,199
would understand it if you said they wouldn't Just because.

2348
01:54:09,199 --> 01:54:11,600
Speaker 2: Of how anomalous giannics is is a player And. An

2349
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:15,119
icon to the french. And they won a championship at

2350
01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:16,840
the end of the day they. WANTED they, won a

2351
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,560
title i mean we can't sit here and say that

2352
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:22,399
in any way this was. A failed experiment or whatever.

2353
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:23,840
THEY won a freaking.

2354
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:27,720
Speaker 1: Championship i this is poetic that you get This team

2355
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:32,479
because it's. Your chicago you f you poetic Is The, word,

2356
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:33,159
more your.

2357
01:54:33,319 --> 01:54:36,840
Speaker 2: Chicago bulls right thank you what to do with all

2358
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:39,800
the expiring contracts is going, to be my question here

2359
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:43,560
because they. Have A Ton, Of Them, vouch sack collins

2360
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:47,760
kevin Herder And, And, see So Kobe white IODUSUMU and

2361
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:51,840
javon carter can i Just this. IS not REALLY chicago

2362
01:54:52,039 --> 01:54:54,560
oriented i just i want to bitch about this. Again

2363
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:59,079
because it annoys me the one and. Forty percent extension limit,

2364
01:54:59,159 --> 01:55:02,520
rule it just it look it hits my ass in

2365
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:06,800
all the wrong places. Because you do something good, you

2366
01:55:07,279 --> 01:55:09,319
get a guy back two Guys Here and assume, one

2367
01:55:09,359 --> 01:55:13,439
kobe white by negotiating and you're getting guys back, at,

2368
01:55:13,439 --> 01:55:16,600
a price point. That yes is team friendly that is

2369
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:19,119
what a team is supposed to do when, you're negotiating

2370
01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:23,920
with free agents and then you're penalized for not even

2371
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:27,159
being able to extend them because of that extension, limit

2372
01:55:27,199 --> 01:55:31,159
when they're. Your guys you, drafted them even to me

2373
01:55:31,359 --> 01:55:35,720
that is. Just such a ridiculous rule where the bulls,

2374
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:39,600
here in this particular instance they are getting screwed over

2375
01:55:40,079 --> 01:55:42,680
by doing what, they're supposed to be doing getting. A

2376
01:55:42,680 --> 01:55:46,399
good deal for themselves I Don't think this benefits. KOBE

2377
01:55:46,399 --> 01:55:49,439
white or iodosum either i don't think it Benefits the

2378
01:55:49,479 --> 01:55:52,920
Team because obviously kobe and io they would love, to

2379
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:55,880
be on you know longer term deals so they don't have.

2380
01:55:55,960 --> 01:56:02,840
To risk injuries and whatnot so it's just what kind

2381
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:06,039
Underscore Ninety and the. CHAT patrick. Williams should stay i

2382
01:56:06,199 --> 01:56:08,439
don't This is kind of.

2383
01:56:08,359 --> 01:56:12,159
Speaker 1: Like johannes's inquired about the bulls and they weren't Interested

2384
01:56:12,479 --> 01:56:15,640
Type rumors like if patrick Williams Is gonna stay because patrick,

2385
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:16,399
Williams can't, be.

2386
01:56:16,359 --> 01:56:21,399
Speaker 2: Moved right so yeah. That was just my, aside but

2387
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:26,039
all the honestly if, If, they had competent leadership dan

2388
01:56:26,199 --> 01:56:30,000
they'd be interested because they, have so many expiring contracts

2389
01:56:30,399 --> 01:56:33,640
they have draft they. Have their own draft picks like

2390
01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:37,439
if you had a really good managerial team and an

2391
01:56:37,439 --> 01:56:41,720
ownership who actually UNDERSTOOD, the concept of a. Cba this

2392
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:47,359
would be intriguing the amount of possibilities That are open

2393
01:56:47,399 --> 01:56:51,640
for the bulls could be QUITE intoxicating, to me, if

2394
01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:54,079
i was you. Know, an adequate general manager.

2395
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah it's they're probably more likely to extend all of

2396
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:02,239
these firing contracts than they are. To trade any, of

2397
01:57:02,279 --> 01:57:04,159
THEM and BY that Obviously I know i own. Kobe

2398
01:57:04,199 --> 01:57:07,359
white won't Sign, Anything they'll Probably Extend vouch They'll Extend.

2399
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:08,520
Speaker 2: Kevin herder?

2400
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:11,800
Speaker 1: And zach collins why not this is we know what

2401
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:14,680
they should do because, since starting six to one, they're

2402
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:17,680
twenty ninth on, offense twenty fourth on defense a whopping

2403
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:19,399
Three And, Thirteen.

2404
01:57:20,439 --> 01:57:23,920
Speaker 2: Vouch. Even trey, jones modess buzzellis of course they've all cooled.

2405
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:26,039
Off in a big way they should.

2406
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:27,520
Speaker 1: Be trading these guys for what, value they can get

2407
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:29,359
back and if long, term money is accompany, it a

2408
01:57:29,479 --> 01:57:31,079
companied with that hopefully you've.

2409
01:57:31,119 --> 01:57:34,800
Speaker 2: Gotten draft compensation for it And. This applies to the

2410
01:57:34,840 --> 01:57:36,720
bulls might be, getting screwed in these, things but in

2411
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:40,439
some ways, because they're not good enough it's almost better

2412
01:57:40,479 --> 01:57:42,399
for Them That they can't pay kobe, white the max

2413
01:57:42,479 --> 01:57:44,199
right now because they probably would and that's not going

2414
01:57:44,239 --> 01:57:45,680
to set them up to. Be. In a, Good, situation

2415
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:49,279
correct also correct yes they. Should be looking to move.

2416
01:57:50,079 --> 01:57:51,640
There's nobody on this roster.

2417
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm not looking To Move you could say modess, buzzellis

2418
01:57:54,279 --> 01:57:56,920
deserves to be untouchable but we might have gotten ahead

2419
01:57:56,920 --> 01:57:58,840
of our, skis with him last year and at the

2420
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:00,359
start of this Year we need to say i'm not,

2421
01:58:00,439 --> 01:58:02,960
looking to actively trade him but he's the Closest You.

2422
01:58:03,039 --> 01:58:05,399
Have him or josh giddey i'm sure they View him

2423
01:58:05,399 --> 01:58:08,239
as just and he's been one of their more consistent

2424
01:58:08,279 --> 01:58:10,960
players this, year on the offensive end so you have.

2425
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:12,880
To say that for him they should be, looking, to

2426
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:15,760
trade everybody though basically, And they WON'T do that.

2427
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 2: And that's, i find them you're.

2428
01:58:17,800 --> 01:58:20,880
Speaker 1: RIGHT they could be interesting i find them wholly unstimulating

2429
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:22,800
to talk about because we know that they're gonna do

2430
01:58:23,279 --> 01:58:27,039
nothing and just to send deeper Into the eleventh circle

2431
01:58:27,079 --> 01:58:30,720
of hell or. WHATEVER they're, in right now i, agree

2432
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:34,399
should we move on which would mean that our next

2433
01:58:34,399 --> 01:58:37,720
team will. A little spicier team, here This Team is.

2434
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:42,479
Interesting the charlotte HORNETS more the question is i kind

2435
01:58:42,479 --> 01:58:45,359
of want to know how they're, gonna operate at The Deadline,

2436
01:58:45,479 --> 01:58:48,239
BECAUSE historically under jeff peter i say historically it's. Only

2437
01:58:48,279 --> 01:58:52,439
been a few seasons, they've just taken, on salaries, they've

2438
01:58:52,479 --> 01:58:55,319
TRADED guys gotten picks and i think they'll operate, in

2439
01:58:55,359 --> 01:58:58,399
the same vein again except you Don't Necessarily, have aside

2440
01:58:58,399 --> 01:59:00,760
FROM colin sexton Just Because i don't think ailes bridges really.

2441
01:59:00,760 --> 01:59:02,600
Speaker 2: HAS any trade value whatsoever.

2442
01:59:03,399 --> 01:59:05,399
Speaker 1: I don't think that they have like, the pieces TO

2443
01:59:05,439 --> 01:59:07,399
do that and so i, find myself kind, of wondering are,

2444
01:59:07,399 --> 01:59:10,760
we ever he's injured again gonna get To see What

2445
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:14,279
Like A LaMelo Ball brandon miller conka nipple corps could

2446
01:59:14,359 --> 01:59:16,840
look like over. An extended period of time is there

2447
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:21,039
Something to the? Reports that LaMelo was unhappy Was that

2448
01:59:21,079 --> 01:59:21,880
more about.

2449
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:24,840
Speaker 2: The hornets trying to soft launch? Their own sort.

2450
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:28,600
Speaker 1: Of trade, you'll GAUGE for LaMelo himself because i would

2451
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:31,399
argue if any party in this is gonna be more

2452
01:59:31,439 --> 01:59:33,840
frustrated than, the other with The situation it should Be.

2453
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:38,399
CHARLOTTE more so than LaMelo, i still believe in LaMelo

2454
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:40,119
but we're just getting to a point when you look

2455
01:59:40,119 --> 01:59:43,079
at the Sample Of just him and brandon miller very

2456
01:59:43,119 --> 01:59:44,960
low over, the past two plus Seasons And now you're.

2457
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:48,199
THROWING conk nipple in there i don't know what. To

2458
01:59:48,359 --> 01:59:50,720
make of this team and so my question about their

2459
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:53,159
trade deadline direction is do you think it's gonna mirror

2460
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:58,520
more of, the level headed conservative, approach smart to be

2461
01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:01,079
sure savvy that They've Take make it under jeff peterson

2462
02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:03,640
or Do YOU see the potential and i know we're talking,

2463
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:06,720
about just one player here for them, to do something,

2464
02:00:07,319 --> 02:00:10,199
more seismic, spicier THIS season.

2465
02:00:11,199 --> 02:00:13,680
Speaker 2: They, should so, I hope, so because.

2466
02:00:13,479 --> 02:00:17,399
Speaker 1: Well i'm sorry What Are you getting for LaMelo ball

2467
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:19,479
that you're saying you should or you at the point

2468
02:00:19,479 --> 02:00:21,760
where As well just were it's zion level just?

2469
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:26,880
Speaker 2: Trade, THEM for expiring contracts well i Mean that is

2470
02:00:27,079 --> 02:00:29,319
not something i'm, privy to at this point because that

2471
02:00:29,439 --> 02:00:32,199
depends on like the beauty that is in the eye

2472
02:00:32,199 --> 02:00:34,199
of the beholder at. The, End, of THE day right

2473
02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:36,479
so LIKE i, was running an nba team they would

2474
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:39,520
get you would probably, give Up something a. Lot, give

2475
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:43,960
cooper flag more yeah you like you Would Have, A Team,

2476
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,880
of reached shepherd LaMelo ball no one else and you'd

2477
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:50,760
just say go two. On Five Every single, game jabari

2478
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:52,880
smith junior too just to. Prove a, point as? Well?

2479
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:56,760
All right, THANK you, YEAH uh NO i look i

2480
02:00:56,880 --> 02:01:02,159
honestly i don't care, whether they get not. CARE that's

2481
02:01:02,199 --> 02:01:05,640
the wrong phrasing i don't know whether they can get

2482
02:01:05,680 --> 02:01:08,279
something more Than. Expiring contracts out of, Lametal but At

2483
02:01:08,279 --> 02:01:11,600
this point i'm just. I'm not Closing the door. That's

2484
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:13,880
how i'll phrase it i'm not closing. The door on

2485
02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:17,600
any offer. I'm taking everything under consideration i'm bringing it

2486
02:01:17,640 --> 02:01:19,680
back to The rest of my team i'm having, meetings

2487
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:22,920
Upon meetings, upon meetings and i'm saying what are? We

2488
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:25,399
going to do here are we willing to just cut

2489
02:01:25,439 --> 02:01:28,520
bait on this guy who's, like the former Rookifty Year? Who's,

2490
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:32,159
the former all? Star this this and that are we just?

2491
02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:36,520
Fed up at this point and, if, the room, is

2492
02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:41,000
like yeah we are then. Go AHEAD and do it, i'll,

2493
02:01:41,119 --> 02:01:43,239
I WON'T blame you certainly.

2494
02:01:44,359 --> 02:01:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm i think they, get More than expiring contractor but

2495
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:50,199
i'm just. Not trading him, right now. I'm holding Out remaining,

2496
02:01:50,239 --> 02:01:53,239
patient and if i'm them it's just THEY have a

2497
02:01:53,239 --> 02:01:55,399
lot Of I mean even t jon salon starting.

2498
02:01:55,399 --> 02:01:56,960
Speaker 2: To play A Little, better you Have Brandon.

2499
02:01:56,960 --> 02:01:59,600
Speaker 1: MILLER you have conkin Nipple i Still really like lee

2500
02:01:59,680 --> 02:02:01,920
mcne you've Gotten A lot MORE to ryan kulkbrenner.

2501
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:03,359
Speaker 2: Than i Would Have, predicted Same With.

2502
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:08,479
Speaker 1: SEON james like mussa diabate i think for them it

2503
02:02:08,680 --> 02:02:10,199
just needs to be and they they've done.

2504
02:02:10,199 --> 02:02:10,720
Speaker 2: A good job.

2505
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:13,960
Speaker 1: Of this buy and large i'm looking at repeating my

2506
02:02:14,079 --> 02:02:15,239
past two or three trade.

2507
02:02:15,279 --> 02:02:17,720
Speaker 2: Deadlines or whatever it's been what is the?

2508
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:19,920
Speaker 1: Money we could send out maybe we're taking back a

2509
02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:23,439
less desirable contract and it's attached To. Draft compensation to

2510
02:02:23,479 --> 02:02:26,840
revisit boston It's If. We sent them collin sexton Would They? Attach?

2511
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:30,920
Speaker 2: Anything to anthony simons yeah they. Were smart the. DRAFT

2512
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:35,000
TOO they, drafted well i i look if they get

2513
02:02:35,039 --> 02:02:38,119
any Sort of draft equity for lamental and they, KEEP

2514
02:02:38,159 --> 02:02:41,359
their current trend going i think. They were three or

2515
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:45,159
four are you. COMPLETELY out on the idea i know

2516
02:02:45,319 --> 02:02:46,159
this takes a level.

2517
02:02:46,159 --> 02:02:49,439
Speaker 1: Of patients that, seems ubsecene at this point they're headed,

2518
02:02:49,479 --> 02:02:53,000
for top lottery odds again, And So, it's Just, okay

2519
02:02:53,319 --> 02:02:57,159
brendon miller Konk nipple another high pick LaMelo or at

2520
02:02:57,159 --> 02:03:00,239
that point are you getting to this is just too,

2521
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:03,680
many cooks in the kitchen of which were being pulled.

2522
02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:06,960
In too MANY different directions well that's i mean. Circle

2523
02:03:07,079 --> 02:03:09,680
jerk motion, over here yeah you were.

2524
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:14,119
Speaker 2: And you enjoyed it too look it's. The, injury thing

2525
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:16,439
AS well LIKE even if i were i was willing,

2526
02:03:16,479 --> 02:03:19,359
TO give. THIS a go i can't i can't go

2527
02:03:19,439 --> 02:03:21,520
Into a season and trust LaMelo will play more than what.

2528
02:03:22,119 --> 02:03:24,920
TWENTY five for forty. Games i, can't trust that he's

2529
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:27,840
like let me just let. Me just look at, it

2530
02:03:28,279 --> 02:03:32,039
so thirty, six games twenty. Two games FORTY seven, Games,

2531
02:03:32,479 --> 02:03:37,079
and then i think. OKAY that's that's just. OBSCENE i

2532
02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:39,359
can't trust that i CAN'T and and and if, I

2533
02:03:39,359 --> 02:03:41,199
go into a season i have. TO plan for. EIGHTY

2534
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:44,119
two i have to i. CAN'T plan for forty one i.

2535
02:03:44,119 --> 02:03:47,119
CAN'T plan for thirty five i have. TO plan. FOR

2536
02:03:47,159 --> 02:03:49,119
eighty two i can't i. Can't do that with him

2537
02:03:49,119 --> 02:03:53,800
and he's taking up a pretty, substantial amount of. You

2538
02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:56,079
Know my cap, space if, i'm the hornet it's like what,

2539
02:03:56,159 --> 02:03:59,119
is that twenty eighty five twenty? Four and a half. Percent,

2540
02:03:59,119 --> 02:04:00,960
twenty four twenty five yeah.

2541
02:04:01,039 --> 02:04:03,439
Speaker 1: He's on the fun unless you think that he needs. To,

2542
02:04:03,479 --> 02:04:08,520
be waived, in stretched. No It's oh it's not i'm

2543
02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:11,680
and also it's just How do you Plan around let's use.

2544
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:15,039
CONK nipple as the example i think, it's a that's

2545
02:04:15,079 --> 02:04:17,680
not malpractice but like run more Pick, and rolls with

2546
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:19,880
conk niple trying. To run the, entire offense at this

2547
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:22,520
point he's, at like two per Game, and you Have Sext,

2548
02:04:22,520 --> 02:04:22,840
in you Have.

2549
02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:25,000
Speaker 2: Trey mann you have LaMelo you.

2550
02:04:25,079 --> 02:04:27,960
Speaker 1: Need TO dilute that somehow Now i would gravitate towards

2551
02:04:28,039 --> 02:04:30,319
LaMelo might take care of, it himself by missing time

2552
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:33,640
and You. COULD look AT moving sexton i think i do.

2553
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:36,479
Think there's something to it gets complicated to start developing

2554
02:04:36,600 --> 02:04:40,439
all these hiring youngsters if the guy around which you've

2555
02:04:40,439 --> 02:04:43,399
so far structured your franchise can't be. Relied UPON to

2556
02:04:43,479 --> 02:04:45,479
playing games and i Don't think this is, a LaMelo

2557
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:47,840
doesn't want TO playersn't Taking care Of i think charlotte

2558
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:50,800
and LaMelo seem like they have actually tried everything and.

2559
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:53,279
IT'S just not working out i don't know, what, The

2560
02:04:53,319 --> 02:04:55,600
answer is here though. THAT'S why it's a question i

2561
02:04:55,600 --> 02:04:58,520
THINK the one definitive thing i would say is to me,

2562
02:04:59,119 --> 02:05:01,800
FROM a franchise value perspective i don't think it makes.

2563
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:04,399
Sense to move him now the offers, you're getting at

2564
02:05:04,399 --> 02:05:06,680
this moment even if he doesn't play, another game for

2565
02:05:06,720 --> 02:05:09,119
the season or, IF he doesn't play well i don't

2566
02:05:09,159 --> 02:05:10,079
think those are just going.

2567
02:05:10,079 --> 02:05:11,159
Speaker 2: To dissipate or get.

2568
02:05:11,199 --> 02:05:14,520
Speaker 1: Materially WORSE over the summer and i would like to see,

2569
02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:16,439
the rest of this season or. At least post trade

2570
02:05:16,439 --> 02:05:19,319
deadline let's even if he runs into the rookie wall

2571
02:05:19,399 --> 02:05:21,760
or He's, Not, As efficient like conkin nipple let's really?

2572
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:24,279
Speaker 2: See what he can do is the stuff they basically.

2573
02:05:24,399 --> 02:05:26,840
Speaker 1: Run the offense through him it feels like without him

2574
02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:29,199
actually being on the ball as. Much as He could

2575
02:05:29,239 --> 02:05:30,439
be and so i'd like to just see more of.

2576
02:05:30,479 --> 02:05:34,800
That as we move forward our next Team Up. More

2577
02:05:35,279 --> 02:05:37,600
are your brooklyn nets?

2578
02:05:37,880 --> 02:05:42,359
Speaker 2: What's, your question for them so how do you survive

2579
02:05:44,079 --> 02:05:46,479
going into a first round where, you have five draft

2580
02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:50,840
picks five first round picks and not getting more out

2581
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:53,720
of it than? What, we've seen right now basically can

2582
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:57,600
they survive whiffing on an entire draft? WHERE they have

2583
02:05:57,760 --> 02:06:00,920
five picks I know you're, Gonna Put, You're Gonna say

2584
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:04,039
drank powell drake powell's Come Join my Team Alongside reached

2585
02:06:04,039 --> 02:06:07,079
Shepherd And. Labelo ball, And. JABARI smith That's Cool dan.

2586
02:06:07,239 --> 02:06:10,960
I like drake, powell too i see it but like

2587
02:06:11,239 --> 02:06:15,159
to the point where it was so many? Picks? AND

2588
02:06:16,439 --> 02:06:20,520
who they, on, WHO i just. Okay, okay i hear

2589
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:23,560
you like, whift is a big word but like out

2590
02:06:23,600 --> 02:06:27,159
of that grouping is does anyone stand out to, you,

2591
02:06:27,279 --> 02:06:30,199
as a, future star which after all is the point

2592
02:06:30,479 --> 02:06:32,760
of going into a, draft and going on guy, or?

2593
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:37,640
Are you. THINKING process Process Process.

2594
02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:39,119
Speaker 1: One i think danny wolf. Is starting to show signs

2595
02:06:39,119 --> 02:06:40,880
and this is COMING as someone who Is I was.

2596
02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:42,960
Not a, Danny Wolf, guy Between Him, DRAKE powell and

2597
02:06:43,039 --> 02:06:46,479
jegor joeman i think you've gotten, three guys who were

2598
02:06:46,479 --> 02:06:50,399
intrigued and certainly two where were they supposed to get a?

2599
02:06:50,439 --> 02:06:53,840
Speaker 2: Star with where they drafted. OH would have traded up

2600
02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:55,760
i would. Have tried to trade.

2601
02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:58,359
Speaker 1: Up i'm sure they did you'd think things out, There

2602
02:06:58,359 --> 02:07:00,920
AND did absolutely nothing, so.

2603
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:03,960
Speaker 2: I might be misremembering but i do think we heard

2604
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:08,560
something or read something about them preferring to optimize the amount,

2605
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:13,039
of first round draft picks maybe like you're going out

2606
02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:17,399
trades because they wanted to have more. GUYS on that

2607
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:21,000
salary STRUCTURE i just do believe i read something along.

2608
02:07:21,039 --> 02:07:23,199
Those lines, during The DRAFT who.

2609
02:07:23,039 --> 02:07:24,920
Speaker 1: Okay but i'm i would need to know the trade

2610
02:07:24,920 --> 02:07:28,119
opportunity they passed on right, to say that, they missed and.

2611
02:07:28,159 --> 02:07:31,399
Speaker 2: That's. Fair that is. Fair Overall i'm just, underwhelmed Maybe

2612
02:07:31,439 --> 02:07:33,680
i'm just whelmed if i'm, BEING in the positive light

2613
02:07:35,720 --> 02:07:38,279
i just wonder. WHERE they go from here i wonder

2614
02:07:38,319 --> 02:07:40,880
what's the, jumping off point or like what are they

2615
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:43,479
going into the? Next season high off on are they

2616
02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:47,920
looking at this? Group, of rupeep this. SUMMER yeah WHICH is,

2617
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:52,680
fair i just i look this rebuilding process. Is, GOING

2618
02:07:52,720 --> 02:07:55,920
to take time absolutely i did think that there would

2619
02:07:55,960 --> 02:08:01,319
be more pisas in this draft. Class For them at least.

2620
02:08:01,560 --> 02:08:03,920
SO i'm just wondering overall i don't even know. How

2621
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:07,520
to phrase the Question it's just are they are they

2622
02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:11,880
still as optimistic about the future as? They were before the.

2623
02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:13,680
DRAFT is, PROBABLY my question.

2624
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean i don't know why they should BE more

2625
02:08:18,600 --> 02:08:22,399
pessimistic just because i think You Look at it like,

2626
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:24,680
danny wolf is AN example just someone that i. Wasn't

2627
02:08:24,760 --> 02:08:27,960
high on coming in he's the three point shot falling

2628
02:08:28,279 --> 02:08:29,640
at the moment over forty four.

2629
02:08:29,640 --> 02:08:33,800
Speaker 2: Percent. Through his last time yep seems even see him

2630
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:35,239
like some kind of hook shot from himybe you wish

2631
02:08:35,279 --> 02:08:35,840
he finishes at the?

2632
02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:39,119
Speaker 1: Basket, A, Little Bit, Better sure jager, Joe man i've.

2633
02:08:39,119 --> 02:08:41,600
Actually been he's been more he HAS more. Functional flexibility

2634
02:08:41,600 --> 02:08:43,319
than I anticipated you Know How. I feel about drake

2635
02:08:43,319 --> 02:08:45,319
powell i think that that dude is going to BE

2636
02:08:45,319 --> 02:08:49,079
a good. Three and d plus guy what more did

2637
02:08:49,079 --> 02:08:50,439
you in a draft class?

2638
02:08:50,439 --> 02:08:52,880
Speaker 2: That many. Agree like it.

2639
02:08:53,039 --> 02:08:56,319
Speaker 1: Was good that Was good but where like i'm just

2640
02:08:56,479 --> 02:08:57,640
where You're mad That They.

2641
02:08:57,680 --> 02:09:01,079
Speaker 2: TOOK sarah for. Nolan, trey i, JUST can't yeah so

2642
02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:05,359
no i. Can't list every, single NAME but, but again

2643
02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:07,840
like i thought at every single turn, THAT they had

2644
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:11,159
to pick i would have gone in like a plethora

2645
02:09:11,279 --> 02:09:15,399
of different, Directions AT every single, Turn, And i was

2646
02:09:15,439 --> 02:09:17,840
like okay, i'm keeping an open mind like there could.

2647
02:09:17,880 --> 02:09:21,720
BE something really Good Here, i will say drake powell

2648
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:26,079
given that he's, How he's looked right now i'm open

2649
02:09:26,119 --> 02:09:28,800
to the idea that that is a. VERY good like, Draft,

2650
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:32,920
SLOT i don't know DAN i just overall when, I watched.

2651
02:09:32,920 --> 02:09:37,199
This team play i'm struggling i'm really struggling to. See

2652
02:09:37,239 --> 02:09:40,000
like the, The upside you're way bitter like you're way

2653
02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:42,520
bigger off an OPTIMIST on. This TEAM than i am

2654
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:47,199
AND i appreciate that because i got it's it's looking like,

2655
02:09:47,319 --> 02:09:50,760
it's such A long, process.

2656
02:09:50,239 --> 02:09:53,319
Speaker 1: Which is i mean yeah my response that would, just,

2657
02:09:53,359 --> 02:09:55,039
kind of, be like no no. Shit it's a long

2658
02:09:55,079 --> 02:09:58,680
process look at the, start they, WERE coming from so

2659
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:00,359
right i find this more of.

2660
02:10:00,359 --> 02:10:01,840
Speaker 2: An insuring question for them how are they? Gonna use

2661
02:10:01,880 --> 02:10:04,920
their cap space they've got fifteen point three million. Leading

2662
02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:07,680
into the trade deadline i'm assuming they're. GONNA facilitate A

2663
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:11,640
FEW moves i just i'm i do you think it's

2664
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:14,199
gonna end up being something that's bigger or gonna be?

2665
02:10:14,199 --> 02:10:14,680
Broken up?

2666
02:10:14,720 --> 02:10:17,279
Speaker 1: Into MULTIPLE legs was what and i. Guess they could

2667
02:10:17,319 --> 02:10:19,800
do it they could do both because. They have salaries

2668
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:23,119
to move who is. The this is what's interesting who's

2669
02:10:23,159 --> 02:10:25,640
the most likely player to. BE traded on this, team.

2670
02:10:25,880 --> 02:10:29,079
Speaker 2: I think they're considered like, IF there's interest for it

2671
02:10:29,880 --> 02:10:33,880
i wouldn't be surprised if they're very Keen On Double

2672
02:10:33,920 --> 02:10:37,640
dipping with michael porter, junior by getting you know getting

2673
02:10:37,640 --> 02:10:39,960
a draft pick for taking him on and then now

2674
02:10:40,039 --> 02:10:42,199
because he's playing, the way that he is getting a

2675
02:10:42,279 --> 02:10:47,560
draft pick for. Him, specifically in a trade, now given

2676
02:10:47,600 --> 02:10:51,479
his salary structure that's probably not the cleanest trade to make.

2677
02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:56,399
Because HE'S earning that much so i find that more likely,

2678
02:10:56,479 --> 02:11:01,720
to be. An, Offseason, thing if anything so yeah to

2679
02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:03,920
answer your specific question of how, THEY'RE gonna split it

2680
02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:06,560
up i would imagine that they would be willing to go,

2681
02:11:06,600 --> 02:11:10,399
into most two different directions like if they can get

2682
02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:14,239
assets in some capacity of, spreading the of you know

2683
02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:17,520
spreading up the cap space into two bits. And. ABSORB

2684
02:11:17,640 --> 02:11:19,319
something from there cool.

2685
02:11:21,800 --> 02:11:23,800
Speaker 1: I think that might be i feel, like that's WHAT

2686
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:25,520
they'll do just because i don't know what's the, team

2687
02:11:25,560 --> 02:11:29,119
that's coming in with like the one like bit like

2688
02:11:29,159 --> 02:11:31,159
we Need, to dump up maybe boston and like we're

2689
02:11:31,159 --> 02:11:34,439
gonna compensate you to soak up twelve. Plus MILLION dollars

2690
02:11:34,439 --> 02:11:37,680
in salary and i also don't know what's the bad contract,

2691
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:39,159
out there that a team Because.

2692
02:11:38,920 --> 02:11:40,680
Speaker 2: You could Point to Paul. George or joelle and bee can?

2693
02:11:40,720 --> 02:11:43,159
Speaker 1: They work out Something, there like With The sixers Do

2694
02:11:43,279 --> 02:11:46,359
Something Paul. George for michael porter junior what Are they

2695
02:11:46,399 --> 02:11:50,039
attaching to that you're only really Saving a year right

2696
02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:52,279
because Porter Has one more and paul george. Has TWO

2697
02:11:52,319 --> 02:11:54,079
after this one so i don't know what the level,

2698
02:11:54,079 --> 02:11:55,800
of COMPENSATION would be there but i agree with you

2699
02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:58,600
that it'll probably end up being. Something, on The Smaller

2700
02:11:58,680 --> 02:12:03,600
end yeah the, indiana PACERS are my team and i have.

2701
02:12:03,640 --> 02:12:04,920
Speaker 2: Two full question for them let's.

2702
02:12:04,920 --> 02:12:09,640
Speaker 1: Start with the cliche one do they have To Render

2703
02:12:09,680 --> 02:12:13,520
a verdict on benedic? Mathern before this trade deadline knowing

2704
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:15,279
that he's, headed into restrict re agency or do you

2705
02:12:15,319 --> 02:12:18,119
THINK because of, how the rfa market is they don't

2706
02:12:18,119 --> 02:12:21,760
have to worry about him standing out this year when

2707
02:12:21,800 --> 02:12:24,159
it comes to grappling, with his Next price point.

2708
02:12:25,600 --> 02:12:29,319
Speaker 2: He's again we're coming back to this thing we Talked

2709
02:12:29,319 --> 02:12:33,399
About in. Regards to jason satum earlier we don't know

2710
02:12:33,479 --> 02:12:36,800
how anyone is going, To Look Post you know Achilles Tear.

2711
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:40,199
In terms of tyrese Haliburton Here's. A guy in benedict,

2712
02:12:40,239 --> 02:12:44,119
matherin he's not a playmaker but damn well know. Rather

2713
02:12:44,239 --> 02:12:46,399
that he. Can score we know this we know he

2714
02:12:46,399 --> 02:12:47,720
can get, to the free throw line, we know he

2715
02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:51,079
can rebound we know that there's a certain baseline you

2716
02:12:51,119 --> 02:12:54,119
can expect out. Of HIM every single night do i

2717
02:12:54,279 --> 02:12:58,159
lean into that and go at least we have some sort,

2718
02:12:58,159 --> 02:13:01,399
of knowledge about this player and that makes it worth

2719
02:13:01,439 --> 02:13:03,439
it for us to go, into unrestricted free or sorry

2720
02:13:03,479 --> 02:13:07,560
restricted free agency and. Try to GET him back or

2721
02:13:07,600 --> 02:13:09,479
do i go because he's a. Bit of a known

2722
02:13:09,479 --> 02:13:12,399
commodity let him go out to the TRADE market and see.

2723
02:13:12,399 --> 02:13:15,399
Whatever I can squeeze out but i would ALSO be

2724
02:13:15,439 --> 02:13:18,560
fearful that if I do move him and halle. Is

2725
02:13:18,560 --> 02:13:22,039
coming back next year i'm Looking at a situation where

2726
02:13:22,399 --> 02:13:25,560
i'm putting him in such a rough spot because he's

2727
02:13:25,560 --> 02:13:27,720
coming off, and He kill his tier and, I'm, probably,

2728
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:30,399
gonna ask him Hey No we. Don't have benic mathine

2729
02:13:30,399 --> 02:13:31,520
anymore can you come?

2730
02:13:31,560 --> 02:13:31,640
Speaker 3: In?

2731
02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:38,000
Speaker 2: Immediately in? Average. Thirty PLEASE thank you uh it's i

2732
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:40,880
would like that buffer of having a guy who can

2733
02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:43,479
just go in and Get you a bucket as hallie like,

2734
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:44,920
slowly GETS back INTO.

2735
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:48,960
Speaker 1: Form which i think i PROBABLY agree with you because

2736
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:52,319
i don't know what the what's the team that's coming

2737
02:13:52,319 --> 02:13:54,680
in and Bowling You over, WITH a benedic mathern offer

2738
02:13:54,720 --> 02:13:55,720
i would probably just WAIT.

2739
02:13:55,720 --> 02:13:57,119
Speaker 2: It out until the rfa.

2740
02:13:57,359 --> 02:13:59,840
Speaker 1: My more intriguing question for them would be should they

2741
02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:02,680
be in the market to get a center or big

2742
02:14:02,720 --> 02:14:04,439
that they think can be on the roster this past

2743
02:14:04,439 --> 02:14:07,760
season or are you not doing anything to plan around

2744
02:14:07,800 --> 02:14:10,399
the future until one you know where your Draft pick,

2745
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:13,720
Is to what haliburton is because if You're waiting to

2746
02:14:13,720 --> 02:14:15,560
see what, haliburton is gonna look like you're not making

2747
02:14:15,560 --> 02:14:16,920
any big time decisions until.

2748
02:14:17,039 --> 02:14:20,279
Speaker 2: The, middle, OF next, year YEAH right i mean if

2749
02:14:20,319 --> 02:14:24,000
I win the Lottery And i'm looking, At darren peterson

2750
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:27,880
for example then that's my that's. My My my primary

2751
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:34,000
focus then hallie. Even, Becomes, my, SECONDARY focus honestly so

2752
02:14:34,199 --> 02:14:36,800
no i wouldn't go out. And, Do anything, quite, Yet

2753
02:14:37,279 --> 02:14:43,119
also i'm sorry yeah halle becomes your secondary focus. If,

2754
02:14:43,119 --> 02:14:47,880
you win the lottery again we don't know how he's

2755
02:14:47,960 --> 02:14:54,119
it's an. Achilles tiar that wouldn't right but so you're you've,

2756
02:14:54,159 --> 02:14:57,479
now if you're doing. That, you've, writing, him off. No

2757
02:14:57,479 --> 02:14:59,560
no no it does if you're saying, that he's your

2758
02:14:59,560 --> 02:15:02,840
second focus that doesn't mean. That's, that's a big thing

2759
02:15:03,119 --> 02:15:06,279
hey you're MY secondary, Focus on an Nba Team that

2760
02:15:06,399 --> 02:15:09,840
means that, I'm i'm still considering you i'm still. Having

2761
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:12,560
you in. My plans i'm, still, there i'm not saying

2762
02:15:12,600 --> 02:15:14,880
oh you're. No longer the team leader i'm saying that we,

2763
02:15:15,039 --> 02:15:18,119
have to know for certain. Like what is Going on

2764
02:15:18,239 --> 02:15:21,000
so that means i'm gonna MAKE my initial move. If

2765
02:15:21,039 --> 02:15:23,720
i win The Lottery that is, drafting darren, peterson, for

2766
02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:27,000
example and, saying okay this right, now as of right

2767
02:15:27,039 --> 02:15:29,680
now we know. There's, a known commodity here again depending

2768
02:15:29,680 --> 02:15:32,760
on if it delivers to the point OF expectation and

2769
02:15:33,399 --> 02:15:36,800
that's when i basically say that's that's Going To be

2770
02:15:36,840 --> 02:15:41,199
my primary if, halle, then, comes back plays well okay

2771
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:44,319
we can Shift, our focus back to halle. But we

2772
02:15:44,359 --> 02:15:46,960
don't know yet it's probably gonna be a. Year and

2773
02:15:47,039 --> 02:15:49,880
a half total. That's what we always hear you, know

2774
02:15:49,920 --> 02:15:53,079
that there's the year the, full year of coming back

2775
02:15:53,960 --> 02:15:56,359
and then it takes about half, a season if not

2776
02:15:56,560 --> 02:15:59,640
more to really get into. The hang of things again

2777
02:15:59,720 --> 02:16:03,199
so it's just SUCH a devastating injury that i Can't

2778
02:16:03,640 --> 02:16:05,640
sit here and say i'm gonna Put My eggs. IN

2779
02:16:05,680 --> 02:16:07,479
the tyres haliburton basket.

2780
02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:12,319
Speaker 1: I think that is a wild take to have that

2781
02:16:12,359 --> 02:16:14,760
you say, you would shift your focus because that entails

2782
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:17,960
You Would then be trading pascal siakam if this number

2783
02:16:17,960 --> 02:16:18,600
one overall pick.

2784
02:16:18,640 --> 02:16:19,199
Speaker 2: Is becoming your.

2785
02:16:19,159 --> 02:16:22,840
Speaker 1: Primary focus and to Say that without, knowing what haliburton

2786
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:24,680
looks like if you want to go into it with

2787
02:16:24,720 --> 02:16:26,920
an open, mind and now it's oh we have this

2788
02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:35,399
Potential out or, THIS reorient PASCAL immediately. THOUGH i then

2789
02:16:35,479 --> 02:16:37,360
i don't i think what you're saying is at war

2790
02:16:37,440 --> 02:16:41,000
with itself because you can't you can't say the number

2791
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:44,120
one overall pick is the primary focus of the franchise

2792
02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:47,920
and Then Say we're Gonna have pascal siakam and halliburton

2793
02:16:47,959 --> 02:16:50,559
like we're gonna Like They're the Competent.

2794
02:16:50,200 --> 02:16:53,280
Speaker 2: That dallas mavericks trade Anthony Davis. After they got cooper

2795
02:16:53,319 --> 02:16:58,280
flax is your idea of A Well. Run, Franchise, the dallas,

2796
02:16:58,319 --> 02:17:01,879
mavericks see now that's FAIR but you, know what i

2797
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:04,879
mean though in terms of we've seen so many times

2798
02:17:04,959 --> 02:17:07,440
it seemed getting the number one pick and they've still.

2799
02:17:07,520 --> 02:17:11,079
Had veterans at their disposal they figure out something over

2800
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:12,959
the course of, like a two year period, Right, then

2801
02:17:12,959 --> 02:17:15,840
they figure out okay. WHAT timeline are we on i am,

2802
02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:20,079
just saying it, would be in my opinion irresponsible to go, into, this,

2803
02:17:20,120 --> 02:17:23,000
thing and say Oh yeah we expect tyrese alburton to come,

2804
02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:26,120
back and be. You know his lovely self we all hope,

2805
02:17:26,159 --> 02:17:30,799
So obviously we, HOPE so but to me i would

2806
02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:34,200
feel that it's just putting all of my eggs in one.

2807
02:17:34,280 --> 02:17:37,280
BASKET that is extremely uncertain.

2808
02:17:38,920 --> 02:17:40,840
Speaker 1: I think, if that if you're again if you're going

2809
02:17:40,879 --> 02:17:42,760
in it as, a do or die perspective that they're

2810
02:17:42,799 --> 02:17:44,360
just counting on that and they were going to do

2811
02:17:44,399 --> 02:17:48,319
something reckless. Like, trade THAT draft pick sure but i

2812
02:17:48,319 --> 02:17:50,600
don't think you can go Into next season NOT viewing

2813
02:17:50,920 --> 02:17:53,760
haliburton as plan a and then looking.

2814
02:17:53,799 --> 02:17:57,280
Speaker 2: To pivot away, from that if HE'S not. This is.

2815
02:17:57,280 --> 02:17:59,200
All i say you're not i're not. Tending, a different

2816
02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:05,520
spot there Again Depending on, depending on sterren peterson specifically.

2817
02:18:06,399 --> 02:18:07,319
HE'S the Guy for me.

2818
02:18:08,799 --> 02:18:13,079
Speaker 1: I just, haliburton is a known quantity just led you to,

2819
02:18:13,159 --> 02:18:16,719
back TO back, conference, finals and i actually yeah that's like.

2820
02:18:16,840 --> 02:18:18,239
SUBSCRIBE to they do that i don't know, what he's

2821
02:18:18,239 --> 02:18:19,920
gonna look like especially With the way that, The pacers

2822
02:18:19,959 --> 02:18:20,200
want to.

2823
02:18:20,200 --> 02:18:23,000
Speaker 2: Play but to say you're going to do pivot away.

2824
02:18:23,000 --> 02:18:27,239
FROM him play is insane. I guess that's a pivot.

2825
02:18:27,399 --> 02:18:29,760
I Guess that's a pivot but I'm not like. Saying

2826
02:18:29,879 --> 02:18:34,319
that i'm. Excluding him there's A difference i'm saying that

2827
02:18:34,399 --> 02:18:37,840
i have to go Into, what IS healthy and like

2828
02:18:37,879 --> 02:18:40,120
if i have the number one pig AND it's a

2829
02:18:40,159 --> 02:18:45,000
guy who i, CONSIDER a franchise altering player i would, be, absolute,

2830
02:18:45,000 --> 02:18:48,079
Foolish To, say oh Hey darren peterson we'll be we'll

2831
02:18:48,079 --> 02:18:49,600
be back to you in about. A year AND a

2832
02:18:49,680 --> 02:18:53,680
half that's just i can't go into, A new situation

2833
02:18:53,799 --> 02:18:54,239
like that.

2834
02:18:56,120 --> 02:18:58,200
Speaker 1: So you're not touching this roster and you don't think

2835
02:18:58,239 --> 02:19:00,280
they need to look at a big of the, future

2836
02:19:00,319 --> 02:19:00,840
or at least.

2837
02:19:00,680 --> 02:19:02,600
Speaker 2: Waiting and, they, have like a huffs sir how dare

2838
02:19:02,639 --> 02:19:04,959
you he's? Leaving the league in blocks what if the

2839
02:19:05,360 --> 02:19:06,600
the other EIGHTEEN minutes.

2840
02:19:06,879 --> 02:19:09,360
Speaker 1: The other Question i have i'm sure pacers fans probably, tuned, out,

2841
02:19:09,360 --> 02:19:11,079
because they're like oh look the two questions that all.

2842
02:19:11,079 --> 02:19:13,920
The national guys talk about is it time to like

2843
02:19:14,360 --> 02:19:16,479
especially if you're kind of In. On The Idea of

2844
02:19:16,520 --> 02:19:20,799
mathrin where's jaris? Walker fit on this team he shot.

2845
02:19:20,840 --> 02:19:24,200
Speaker 2: BETTER from three of late, i don't like him DEFENSE

2846
02:19:24,319 --> 02:19:25,799
all the things that i thought he, was gonna be.

2847
02:19:25,799 --> 02:19:27,399
Bad at he's GOOD at all the things i thought

2848
02:19:27,440 --> 02:19:29,239
he was gonna be. GOOD at he's BAD at.

2849
02:19:29,719 --> 02:19:32,120
Speaker 1: I just don't i don't know what his. Future is

2850
02:19:32,159 --> 02:19:35,000
On this team and, now i'm kind of. Wondering this

2851
02:19:35,079 --> 02:19:37,079
is year three do you kind of what if You

2852
02:19:37,079 --> 02:19:41,719
Could do Something Like walker toppin or walker jackson and

2853
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:43,799
a twenty twenty seven First round.

2854
02:19:43,799 --> 02:19:50,000
Speaker 2: Pick, for a vita zoobots okay so you get an? In,

2855
02:19:50,159 --> 02:19:57,639
prime center right now yeah trying to look at the

2856
02:19:57,760 --> 02:20:00,239
upside here INTEREST in terms like Because i do see

2857
02:20:00,239 --> 02:20:05,440
if hallie does, get Back and he's himself notably, huff still,

2858
02:20:05,479 --> 02:20:09,559
on the roster. So exactly that's not bad That is

2859
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:11,840
not bad because i'm also beginning to be. A Little

2860
02:20:11,879 --> 02:20:15,280
Bit not out but I'm I'm. Very worried about. JERIS

2861
02:20:15,280 --> 02:20:19,159
walker at THIS point i, spoke to, i spoke. With

2862
02:20:21,639 --> 02:20:25,520
oh god IT'S late why why am i completely? WHIFFING

2863
02:20:25,639 --> 02:20:29,440
on the Name Here. I spoke with, rick carlyle there

2864
02:20:29,479 --> 02:20:34,440
we go head coach of, sir IT is one. Am,

2865
02:20:34,479 --> 02:20:38,120
and i, am tired carlisle of course and he was

2866
02:20:38,120 --> 02:20:42,280
saying he was so impressed with, this was Last, season

2867
02:20:42,280 --> 02:20:45,680
though but in january, so almost a year ago but

2868
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:48,559
he was saying He was so impressed with jerris's transition to.

2869
02:20:48,840 --> 02:20:51,840
Three instead of the four, and when he, SAID that,

2870
02:20:51,920 --> 02:20:53,760
IT was Like i mean i obviously i'm not going

2871
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:55,680
TO push back on an, nba coach because you know

2872
02:20:55,719 --> 02:20:58,120
he's forgotten more ABOUT basketball in the time I asked the,

2873
02:20:58,200 --> 02:21:02,440
question that i've ever Known but it's not a he,

2874
02:21:02,920 --> 02:21:05,399
to me, was always like you know a SOMEWHAT of

2875
02:21:05,399 --> 02:21:08,360
a pure for i saw him as Sort Of like

2876
02:21:08,559 --> 02:21:12,520
new era paul millsap and him just running around in

2877
02:21:12,600 --> 02:21:16,600
The perimeter is something that. I'VE generally been opposed to

2878
02:21:16,840 --> 02:21:19,479
i thought you needed to have him closer to the

2879
02:21:19,479 --> 02:21:22,079
basket in the initial years and then he could sort

2880
02:21:22,079 --> 02:21:25,319
of slowly you level up to the point where he

2881
02:21:25,360 --> 02:21:28,040
could be. More of a floor spacer, but as of,

2882
02:21:28,120 --> 02:21:30,280
right now it's year three. He's been giving an opportunity

2883
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:32,200
he's playing, twenty six minutes per game and. He's just

2884
02:21:32,319 --> 02:21:36,760
not converting shots he's it's. Been it's been a mess let's.

2885
02:21:36,799 --> 02:21:38,719
Just be real about it. It's BEEN a. FREAKING mess

2886
02:21:38,799 --> 02:21:41,120
so i am i am. NOT out on that deal

2887
02:21:41,440 --> 02:21:44,040
i that is one OF the few ones where i could. See,

2888
02:21:44,040 --> 02:21:46,760
the logic in it yes. THEY'RE in a tricky spot i,

2889
02:21:46,760 --> 02:21:48,760
expect them to do nothing but that was who thought

2890
02:21:48,760 --> 02:21:50,840
we were going to have. A huge disagreement over them we.

2891
02:21:50,840 --> 02:21:54,959
Speaker 1: Are onto To Wrap, up WITH your washington wizards but

2892
02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:56,520
i already know what your.

2893
02:21:56,600 --> 02:21:58,959
Speaker 2: Question is, going to be. More so there. It is

2894
02:21:59,000 --> 02:22:00,639
it's on screen if you were care to read it.

2895
02:22:00,639 --> 02:22:04,239
To the, folks at, home. THANK you THANK you sir

2896
02:22:04,479 --> 02:22:08,280
i appre i. APPRECIATE the LAST minute troll i will

2897
02:22:08,319 --> 02:22:10,559
I will read it. BECAUSE i will. Own it i, was,

2898
02:22:10,600 --> 02:22:14,520
Wrong the question Is Well Cam, winmore win most improved.

2899
02:22:14,520 --> 02:22:19,799
Player and. He will not nor. Season i'm gonna double

2900
02:22:19,840 --> 02:22:22,959
down i'm gonna double down and make myself. Even More

2901
02:22:22,959 --> 02:22:26,520
of an ass tias Jones also won't Win. Six man

2902
02:22:26,559 --> 02:22:30,000
OF the year you? Picked, i thought you picked no?

2903
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:36,520
That Wasn't? You, someone else, tis jones yeah that's yeah

2904
02:22:36,719 --> 02:22:42,360
That's the awards predictions has they've been especially, rough on. Me, this, year.

2905
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:48,120
Especially rough no no Sir He Will. Not win most

2906
02:22:48,120 --> 02:22:51,120
improved players He will Not even win most improved. Player

2907
02:22:51,120 --> 02:22:53,319
on his own team He Will Not Even win, most,

2908
02:22:53,360 --> 02:23:00,520
improved practice participant, apparently right oh boy now but so

2909
02:23:00,600 --> 02:23:03,559
obviously the question Is, in REGARDS. To, The, vets right

2910
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:07,879
cj chris like are they going to pivot? Off of? Them?

2911
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:10,719
Mid season can they like are They earning a lot

2912
02:23:10,799 --> 02:23:12,479
of they're earning both of them are. Earning a lot

2913
02:23:12,479 --> 02:23:14,879
of money are they earning too much to a point?

2914
02:23:14,879 --> 02:23:19,680
Where other, teams are interested we'll see but that's probably going.

2915
02:23:19,719 --> 02:23:22,799
To be, My, Big questions and also dan i'm. Not

2916
02:23:22,840 --> 02:23:25,040
Even in A rush if i'm If, I'm the not

2917
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:26,959
the wizards i'm not you just have all this cap

2918
02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:28,520
space comment you don't need to be, in A rush for,

2919
02:23:28,600 --> 02:23:31,920
SURE right and and frankly i Like The idea OF

2920
02:23:31,959 --> 02:23:34,399
having chris middleton and cj, McCollum there for you know

2921
02:23:34,479 --> 02:23:37,280
an even longer stretch for the entirety of the season

2922
02:23:37,360 --> 02:23:42,000
rather because these. ARE quality locker room guys i know,

2923
02:23:42,079 --> 02:23:46,639
the RECORD doesn't reflect anything but i trust those two

2924
02:23:46,639 --> 02:23:50,200
guys to at least bring. OUT something in young players

2925
02:23:51,520 --> 02:23:54,120
i don't disagree with YOU. When.

2926
02:23:54,120 --> 02:23:57,920
Speaker 1: IT comes To cj McCollum i and. I'm probably inconsistent

2927
02:23:57,959 --> 02:24:00,639
on this it cuts. Like one of two ways how DO.

2928
02:24:00,680 --> 02:24:04,200
You feel about what cj McCollum's Usage is going, to

2929
02:24:04,280 --> 02:24:07,000
be knowing that okay yes he's averaging three point, four

2930
02:24:07,079 --> 02:24:08,799
is his per game but he's not necessarily known as someone's,

2931
02:24:08,799 --> 02:24:11,159
gonna elevate everyone around him So he serves as this

2932
02:24:11,479 --> 02:24:12,959
i'm looking more so with the, second half, of the

2933
02:24:13,000 --> 02:24:15,639
year where's okay he's this Defensive Magnet to when if

2934
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:18,120
trey johnson's available and you want to see him.

2935
02:24:18,399 --> 02:24:18,799
Speaker 2: GENERATE.

2936
02:24:18,840 --> 02:24:22,000
Speaker 1: More of the offense cg mccoman theory could help because the,

2937
02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:24,639
defenses gravitate towards him first but one how often do

2938
02:24:24,680 --> 02:24:24,879
you want?

2939
02:24:24,879 --> 02:24:27,200
Speaker 2: To PLAY? Those two together is cj also can he

2940
02:24:27,319 --> 02:24:29,120
uplift players around him by having the ball?

2941
02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:32,680
Speaker 1: So much in his hands so it's kind. OF a

2942
02:24:32,719 --> 02:24:36,040
splitting hairs thing i agree the high. Character is a

2943
02:24:36,040 --> 02:24:39,799
big deal could the high character translate to a role

2944
02:24:40,280 --> 02:24:41,680
in which he has scaled.

2945
02:24:41,319 --> 02:24:41,760
Speaker 2: Down on a?

2946
02:24:41,760 --> 02:24:43,920
Speaker 1: Team that is going nowhere because the fact that he

2947
02:24:43,959 --> 02:24:46,879
has a PROMINENT role on this team i think probably

2948
02:24:46,879 --> 02:24:50,840
plays into the way that he Is. APPROACHING again high

2949
02:24:50,920 --> 02:24:53,440
character Goud i think having him middleton. The locker room is, good,

2950
02:24:54,079 --> 02:24:56,840
i'm also thinking, like well at some point maybe you

2951
02:24:56,879 --> 02:24:59,239
want to plumb the depths of, this a little bit

2952
02:24:59,319 --> 02:25:02,200
more or of some of the younger, guys a little

2953
02:25:02,200 --> 02:25:04,680
Bit More, like The Key shawn george the, trey johnson

2954
02:25:04,719 --> 02:25:06,520
for The Two, and THEN even bob carrington who i

2955
02:25:06,520 --> 02:25:08,360
think you know he's been asked. To shape shift a

2956
02:25:08,399 --> 02:25:10,559
lot do you want To Try? DIFFERENT things with alex

2957
02:25:10,600 --> 02:25:14,159
sar i do think one thing they could do to

2958
02:25:14,239 --> 02:25:17,840
maybe get, the BEST of both worlds but i don't

2959
02:25:17,879 --> 02:25:19,600
know how feasible it is is what if they just

2960
02:25:19,719 --> 02:25:23,719
traded for, like an actual floor general just like someone.

2961
02:25:23,719 --> 02:25:27,239
Speaker 2: Who could organize the offense. THEY don't have that. RIGHT

2962
02:25:27,319 --> 02:25:30,120
i would love that i would, love THAT because last

2963
02:25:30,159 --> 02:25:33,079
year and i actually don't want to loop in this

2964
02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:36,440
year because He's Only. Played sixteen games alex harr last

2965
02:25:36,520 --> 02:25:42,000
year there was a major issue guards or just primary Playmakers,

2966
02:25:42,159 --> 02:25:45,559
would just, frequently ignore sar you know when he had

2967
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:48,440
lob opportunities when he was. Just close to the basket,

2968
02:25:48,920 --> 02:25:51,079
it's not it, wasn't intentional, it was Just You know

2969
02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:53,239
it was bob, carrington for, the most part you know

2970
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:56,120
a rookie himself who just didn't really have his head

2971
02:25:56,159 --> 02:25:58,600
up the floor and was able to spot that to.

2972
02:25:58,639 --> 02:26:01,040
The extent that he did but it just became a

2973
02:26:01,079 --> 02:26:03,719
bit weird that it was just, this theme all the

2974
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:06,680
time like that nothing was really corrected over. THE course

2975
02:26:06,719 --> 02:26:10,639
of the Year I, firmly believe, that alex sar you

2976
02:26:10,680 --> 02:26:13,719
know probably suffered a loss of like a four point

2977
02:26:13,799 --> 02:26:17,840
scoring average per game last year because guys just, did

2978
02:26:17,920 --> 02:26:23,239
not fucking see him and, major major issue, this year

2979
02:26:23,559 --> 02:26:27,879
sixteen games in he's for him at, least we're seeing

2980
02:26:27,920 --> 02:26:30,120
more scoring we're seeing him getting the ball a little,

2981
02:26:30,120 --> 02:26:33,799
bit more in those spots but there are still that's

2982
02:26:33,840 --> 02:26:35,959
there's still that issue that he can be a lob

2983
02:26:36,079 --> 02:26:38,319
threat and that ball is just not. Being PASSED over

2984
02:26:38,360 --> 02:26:41,719
the top so i think it would behoove them to

2985
02:26:41,799 --> 02:26:44,079
bring in someone who's. Like a true Point Guard you

2986
02:26:44,120 --> 02:26:46,440
brought up trey jones a couple. Of times for other

2987
02:26:46,520 --> 02:26:51,360
teams THAT'S an interesting player who i wouldn't hate, SEE

2988
02:26:51,360 --> 02:26:54,879
there under THAT prism i. THINK that i would love

2989
02:26:55,239 --> 02:26:57,399
i know he's injured and you probably. Give up stuff, the, games,

2990
02:26:58,920 --> 02:27:01,959
oh that's good yes yes young enough to also join in.

2991
02:27:02,079 --> 02:27:05,120
On you Know them well the, Trade jones, is, AS

2992
02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:07,159
well but like, yes i agree with. You that's A

2993
02:27:07,200 --> 02:27:08,399
good one the other i.

2994
02:27:08,440 --> 02:27:10,079
Speaker 1: CAUGHT shit for this one i was trying to name

2995
02:27:10,159 --> 02:27:12,440
players where it's you don't have to give up much.

2996
02:27:12,719 --> 02:27:15,239
Or anything and they fit do you WANT a Younger Guy,

2997
02:27:15,239 --> 02:27:17,719
like i said tyler kohlik who is The, best passer

2998
02:27:17,799 --> 02:27:19,559
on the knicks but he has, All sorts Of flaws,

2999
02:27:20,079 --> 02:27:22,680
right And the wizards fans, some WIZARDS fans were mad,

3000
02:27:22,719 --> 02:27:24,280
and i was just like we Need to recognize. Where

3001
02:27:24,280 --> 02:27:25,520
the wizards are apt they're not going to go out

3002
02:27:25,559 --> 02:27:29,000
there and trade for like give up first round picks

3003
02:27:29,000 --> 02:27:31,159
to go. Get somebody is my? Point, but can it

3004
02:27:31,239 --> 02:27:33,879
what like what Is The deal for for tyler collick?

3005
02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:36,520
Speaker 2: Though he has. Two years it's basically nothing, It's it's,

3006
02:27:36,559 --> 02:27:38,799
under no sorry i'm sorry what's?

3007
02:27:38,799 --> 02:27:41,440
Speaker 1: The trade You take him because the knicks want? To

3008
02:27:41,440 --> 02:27:43,639
cut money beneath this this like he fits into an

3009
02:27:43,639 --> 02:27:46,319
Exception like it's just the knicks might even give you

3010
02:27:46,360 --> 02:27:48,200
a second round pick at. This point to do it

3011
02:27:48,200 --> 02:27:49,040
he's been, playing a little.

3012
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:49,520
Speaker 2: Bit more but.

3013
02:27:49,520 --> 02:27:51,920
Speaker 1: They don't they clearly don't or Maybe It's you took

3014
02:27:51,959 --> 02:27:54,479
on Pocom Dottie. As well As tyler, cole that's just

3015
02:27:54,719 --> 02:27:56,680
i'm saying because they're not going to do anything that's,

3016
02:27:56,719 --> 02:28:00,719
Super like a consolidation trade i'm just either TAKE a,

3017
02:28:00,760 --> 02:28:02,719
FLYER or like i Said I would definitely go trey

3018
02:28:02,799 --> 02:28:04,799
jones if you had to give, Up Some Seconds. For

3019
02:28:04,920 --> 02:28:08,559
him scottie, Pippen jr if he's healthy i'd probably give

3020
02:28:08,600 --> 02:28:09,200
Up Some Nasty.

3021
02:28:09,239 --> 02:28:11,600
Speaker 2: Stuff for. Scottie pippen jr i'm not, I'm NOT gonna?

3022
02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:14,959
Lie there am i wrong and also saying there Is

3023
02:28:15,360 --> 02:28:18,760
Potentially solutions to the alex sar not getting the ball

3024
02:28:18,799 --> 02:28:21,879
problem and, on, the roster By Saying Hey. Just, PLAY

3025
02:28:21,879 --> 02:28:27,879
sharife cooper more AH i don't know that i. HAVE

3026
02:28:28,319 --> 02:28:34,000
given that enough thought. I loved him in college let's

3027
02:28:34,000 --> 02:28:35,840
just put that one of the best playmakers in college

3028
02:28:35,879 --> 02:28:37,760
put a lot of pressure. On, THE rims, as well,

3029
02:28:38,200 --> 02:28:41,040
like i know he's small six foot. NOTHING on a

3030
02:28:41,040 --> 02:28:45,799
good day i, Loved the passing instincts. Though, but that's.

3031
02:28:45,879 --> 02:28:48,399
That's fair like that's fair. HE'S only played ten minutes

3032
02:28:48,600 --> 02:28:49,079
i would if.

3033
02:28:49,079 --> 02:28:51,959
Speaker 1: They give completely different positions but if they play him

3034
02:28:52,200 --> 02:28:54,600
and aren't giving A Ton, OF minutes to jamir watkins i.

3035
02:28:54,600 --> 02:28:58,680
Speaker 2: Will probably riot. Against, that so that's FAIR yeah but.

3036
02:28:59,280 --> 02:29:00,879
Speaker 1: That's what I would be they're gonna i think they

3037
02:29:00,879 --> 02:29:03,639
can facilitate salary dumps because They, are BENEATH the luxury atax.

3038
02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:03,799
Speaker 2: AND i.

3039
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:07,479
Speaker 1: THINK they will i would i do think maybe it

3040
02:29:07,559 --> 02:29:09,319
ends up, Being A buyout or something but i DO.

3041
02:29:09,399 --> 02:29:12,319
Think it One Of cj McCollum or chris middleton is

3042
02:29:12,360 --> 02:29:15,399
gonna end up being especially Like, when You look at

3043
02:29:15,440 --> 02:29:18,680
middleton it's riley's shown some stuff like do You Look

3044
02:29:18,719 --> 02:29:19,200
at just moving?

3045
02:29:19,200 --> 02:29:21,280
Speaker 2: Cam whitmore at this point are you ready? To bail

3046
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:21,719
out On?

3047
02:29:21,799 --> 02:29:24,159
Speaker 1: Him or is the wizards do, you still appreciate, That

3048
02:29:24,239 --> 02:29:28,120
flyer the fair fair there's so many, different THINGS they

3049
02:29:28,120 --> 02:29:30,280
COULD do but i do i think the one thing

3050
02:29:30,280 --> 02:29:32,360
we're really in lockstep with is that it feels like

3051
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:36,159
this team could benefit from. More of a offensive organizer

3052
02:29:36,399 --> 02:29:40,040
it's just it's just tough because, of the spot they're

3053
02:29:40,079 --> 02:29:41,959
in or you willing to give up stuff to get,

3054
02:29:42,040 --> 02:29:45,120
That type of a player and what is what is

3055
02:29:45,159 --> 02:29:47,399
The risk reward profile of, let's say They Get, that

3056
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:48,040
whether it's.

3057
02:29:48,040 --> 02:29:49,559
Speaker 2: Trey jones whether it's whoever?

3058
02:29:50,040 --> 02:29:52,520
Speaker 1: Is, there any downside too well now we have kind

3059
02:29:52,520 --> 02:29:57,079
of diminished someone else's role who's more On Our timeline

3060
02:29:57,120 --> 02:29:59,520
than A. Trey jones or a, whoever so you could

3061
02:29:59,520 --> 02:30:01,920
say go out and get. One of the younger guys

3062
02:30:02,280 --> 02:30:04,639
but unless you're taking again a bottom of The Barrel,

3063
02:30:04,680 --> 02:30:07,520
flyer on a tyler kolak you might be giving up something,

3064
02:30:07,559 --> 02:30:09,920
substantial to get a prompt like you're probably giving up

3065
02:30:11,079 --> 02:30:13,399
Something Interesting to get. A scotti pip, In, junior if

3066
02:30:13,399 --> 02:30:15,360
he's healthy yeah and. He's not even? Super young?

3067
02:30:15,399 --> 02:30:18,280
Speaker 2: WHAT is he twenty, seven, i think, he's younger, right

3068
02:30:18,360 --> 02:30:22,000
TWENTY five, twenty six that's i. Mean that's, certainly young enough,

3069
02:30:22,079 --> 02:30:28,280
SO yeah that's interesting yeah i wouldn't go out. And

3070
02:30:28,360 --> 02:30:30,879
just sell the farm let's just. He, just turned. Twenty

3071
02:30:30,879 --> 02:30:33,079
five YEAH super young why did i? THINK he was so,

3072
02:30:33,239 --> 02:30:37,360
old i would Trade everything give up alex aar then

3073
02:30:37,559 --> 02:30:39,799
just go go get good because we've heard about him

3074
02:30:39,840 --> 02:30:43,000
for so many years we were waiting for his arrival as. Well,

3075
02:30:43,079 --> 02:30:43,600
coming into. The.

3076
02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:47,639
Speaker 1: League yeah for sure there they are one of my

3077
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:49,840
favorite teams to watch, near the TRADE deadline though because

3078
02:30:49,840 --> 02:30:52,159
they i think are gonna be important to making other

3079
02:30:52,239 --> 02:30:56,600
deals work or. Other team's visions actually actualizing do you?

3080
02:30:56,600 --> 02:31:00,200
Speaker 2: HAVE anything. Else on this i don't why don't don't

3081
02:31:00,200 --> 02:31:01,680
you tell our audience where they could find you in

3082
02:31:01,719 --> 02:31:03,000
all the. Great work that you do two, And, A

3083
02:31:03,040 --> 02:31:07,959
half hours later yeah i appreciate that you can Find My.

3084
02:31:08,079 --> 02:31:11,239
Work over at yahoo sports YOU can, listen to the

3085
02:31:11,319 --> 02:31:14,120
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3086
02:31:14,159 --> 02:31:18,600
to bus Or Beater or CATCH Me. Colin kames on,

3087
02:31:18,920 --> 02:31:19,920
hbo max.

3088
02:31:21,159 --> 02:31:23,600
Speaker 1: Until, next time and as, always do, all, the things rate.

3089
02:31:23,639 --> 02:31:26,360
Review subscribe high points comments we went two and A half.

3090
02:31:26,360 --> 02:31:28,520
Hours On the eastern conference the west will, be up

3091
02:31:28,559 --> 02:31:32,399
at some point. Probably, even live as well finally shout out.

3092
02:31:32,280 --> 02:31:35,399
Speaker 2: To the. One the, only the indelible he also unfortunately

3093
02:31:35,399 --> 02:31:37,760
will Not be Winning the, NBA's most implud player award.

3094
02:31:38,040 --> 02:31:40,680
Even Though Maybe he should mister frank nila