Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I am Dana Valley coming at
you with the One the Only, mister mort Jensen of
the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of HBO
Max fame, and of course.
Speaker 2: Of only Fans celebrity.
Speaker 1: We are here slightly earlier that we anticipated, at least
per the schedule on a live stream, because I did
not realize that opening tip is coming in less than
ninety minutes of the NBA Cup Quarterfinals between the Magic
and the Heat.
Speaker 2: How topical. Though, moret that, we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1: Questions we have for every Eastern Conference team as we
get ready for the unofficial start of trade season, which
happens December fifteenth, when a bunch of the league is
eligible to be traded. Our questions, I am sure, will
run the gamut of the low hanging fruit, the tax questions,
the trade targets, what that they need. There'll be other
stuff mixed in. This is a great exercise to just
cover every nook and cranny of our curiosity before we
get started, though, I have one important question before we
ask many more questions, lor how the heck are you
doing doing well?
Speaker 2: Sir? Can complain? Look, it's getting close to tip off time,
so like we have to get started. We're going through
fifteen teams. Can we agree right off the bat though,
that some of them don't really have that big questions
like going into the trade season. Uh, like the Pacers,
like we really there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the problem is is that I've thought about
all of these teams for way too long, and so
like I probably have like a lot of like many
more questions.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'd be like the the Pracers have some
the Pracers have some stuff that they need to figure
out with the way that ben Beneic Mathren might be
playing too, so that would be something else to consider.
How do you want to do this? Let's determine this live.
Would you like to just pick which teams we go through?
It you want to go in alphabetical water, which you know?
I actually think we should go from the top down
in terms of like records, like we start with the
Pistons and then the Knicks, Celtics and so on. All right,
welcome to the Pistons. What is your what? What are
you asking about these Pistons more? What my question is? Yeah, right,
do they have enough floor spacing to really become like
a legitimate you know Finals contender. Do they have that
guy or not just that guy? Do they have enough
collective shooting rather to come in and make a difference
in the playoffs and go the distance because if not,
that is going to be a trade issue come trade deadline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think mine would be some variation of the same.
It's more so how aggressive should you be at the
trade deadline? Is now the time to go for it?
I do have some of the same concerns that you would.
They are fourteens in first chance offense per possession, and
so if you like filter, that's filtering out the offensive
rebounding element. And I'm very curious to see how offensive
rebounding will translate to the playoffs this year given what's
the is like just a bigger time emphasis from so
many more teams. But some of the things we've seen
in the past is if you have a team that
is very reliant on offensive rebounding or getting out in transition,
they can become over the course of an entire series,
a little bit easier to guard in the playoffs, especially
if they have spacing liabilities. Multiple spacing liabilities is part
of those lineups. The Pistons would seem to fall into
that bucket. They're also twenty seventh in three point a
temp to eight and nineteenth and three point percentage. I
do think, you know, Kate Cunningham probably belongs in.
Speaker 2: The back end of MVP ballots. He's gonna make an
All NBA team.
Speaker 1: The fact that they have an offense in the seventy
six percent tile and he's on the court really is
a testament to him. But they're about league average when
he's off the court, but they drop all the way
to the fourteenth percentile when they don't have Duran or
Cad on the court. And that's actually a pretty sizable
sample because durn and Cad like Durran's playing most of
his minutes alongside Kate. So that's just I think what
they need because you look at what Dern has done
as a creator this year, what Kate does in general,
and then just the floor spacing element. I know they've
had j and Ivey's back, He's had some encouraging moments.
Donnas Jenkins been a nice little story for them. But
it feels like, and correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: When you look at this.
Speaker 1: Roster, it's can they upgrade from the at the force.
I don't want to call it the Tobias Harris spot,
but sort of at that fore spot or it would
be that, or you veer into the territory of we
don't think Jaye and Ivey's going to be enough, We don't.
Speaker 2: Like the you know, the carousel Burt in the playoffs. Fit,
do we go out and get another ball handler? First
and foremost, I would just ask the question to the Pistons,
why are you so out on the Jade and Ivy experience?
If that's the case, Because I am not, I still
think they deserve or he deserves, and frankly, Kate Cunningham
deserves a fair shake of that those two guys playing together.
Now I know he's he was injured initially, he's been
back for what eight or nine games they're about, and
the offense has been when those two have played, it's
been pretty bomb so far. Yeah, I like that FIT,
I truly do so. I would be surprised if they
go that route, but if they do, make sure they
get a knockdown shooter even more than just because it
feels like I almost feel like that they are a
bit of a version of like an early two thousand
team where everyone has like a very distinct role and
then there's like one guy on the team who's like,
you're the shooter, like Duncan Robinson and that's about it.
That doesn't really track in twenty twenty five and soon
in twenty twenty six, Like you can't have just that's
the shooter in sincular that doesn't work. So I think
we need to look at some potential upgrades there. But
like it's also difficult because you can't relinquish some of
the big guys or like some of the most important
defenders like Oscar Thompson for example. I'm I'm just not
willing to move him for just someone who can shoot
the ball, because he does so many things for you defensively,
playmaking wise, on thee. So it just becomes this balance
of trying to figure out who are we willing to
pivot off from and who are we willing to perhaps
attach picks four to come in and become a game changer.
So I do I anticipate them making a deal, not
necessarily do. I think it will be malpractice to not
at least have some conversations behind the scenes. Absolutely you
what do you make? I think everyone has kind of
pegged the Lowry market In as the best target for them.
I love his fit.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and this is it doesn't just apply
to the Pistons, But I don't know that I and
throwing the kitchen sink to get Larry marketed.
Speaker 2: On this team?
Speaker 1: Is I'm not as partial to Jade and Ivy as you,
so if the Jazz for some reason wanted him, but
that I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not giving up a star Thompson and a Larry
market introest. No, that would be.
Speaker 1: But and it's also just is that the guy you
want to spend However many first round picks on too.
Speaker 2: So it depends on the amount of picks I would.
Speaker 1: Which is I think more than two is where you
get into the territory of this is the hashtag go
for it move, and that would be That's kind of
the question that follows up all of our questions is
do you think this Pistons team is one good enough
that this is the right time for them to hashtag
go for it? Or is or should they be more
so looking at slow pelling it kind of like the
Rockets did. Letting this season play out and then you
revaluate over the summer. My answer to answer my own
question would be, or maybe this is more of a
prediction is I could probably see them making more of
like a medium size movie where they're not like, do
they go out and try and get a Michael Porter junior.
They're not giving up picks in that scenario, and then
they have this huge expiring contract that they could attach
picks to over the summer. That feels it feels like
they will take the middle ground, sort of like they
did last year when they went out and got Dennis Shrewder.
Speaker 2: So I was while you were talking, I was looking
for a trait that specifically tailored to your point in
regards to Laurie Markington, because I did like a trade
pod on my Danish podcast specifically with Lord Marketing to
Detroit in mind, this is the framework I came up with,
and it's like, you set the picks, like if you
go up beyond two. However, Tobias Harris Caris Lavert twenty
twenty six, first, twenty twenty eight first and twenty thirty
two first from Marketing and Kevin Love that works, I
wonder because you're not relinquishing that level of talent to
get him in. Does that not make it potentially worth it,
because like the twenty twenty six pick is not gonna
be attractive, Like that's a pretty low one that's probably
gonna end up in what the mid to late twenties anyway,
twenty twenty eight presumably not that you know high have
a pick. Twenty thirty two is where it gets juicy potentially,
where that's really the one thing that the Jazz can go,
oh forty thirty two like they might be bad then potentially,
So are we really out on that idea? Yeah? I so,
look it's not.
Speaker 1: Here's here's where I'm struggling is because look at how
much Lowry Marketing makes And then you know that you're
gonna have to play Jail and Duran a ton. If
you also think are you're gonna be paying Jade and
Ivy the salary structures for them just start to get
too wonky.
Speaker 2: You don't want this.
Speaker 1: Team to get too expensive too quickly, because we just
know we could say, yeah, it's only money, they'll pay
whatever to keep it together. But all of a sudden,
now are you going into next season staring at the
barrel of Larry Marketing forty quass million? Jail and Duran,
what is he gonna get close to the mass at
this point?
Speaker 2: Then it's gonna be it's not gonna be that expensive.
Now I assume it's not that expensive. Though, even if
it's it's a restrictive he's a restricted free agent, Dan,
we know those guys get squeezed a ton there totally them,
like right now, they're not playing them all that much.
So like if there's an injury concern, like does he
really expect to go out in the open market and
get a ton? Like if I'm if I'm a young
and up and coming team, I'm definitely looking into the
Jade and Ivy situation. Don't get me wrong, I would
be very high on that idea. But a lot of
teams go into restrict or not restrict just free agency
with the mindset of, oh, we want to improve right now.
We're not looking to something you know, far ahead. Maybe
he gets squeezed a fair bit, like there's a chance
that could get him back at a decent sized contract
that is like good for them. It seem friendly contract.
Speaker 1: Even if it's team friendly. Though, you're looking at a
team where if you're let's just if we're penciling in
it is too conservative and say Jail and durn at
thirty five million. Okay, now you have paid at fifty,
you're at eighty five. And if you have lowry marketing
on top of that, at what is he going to be?
Forty five forty three around that price point?
Speaker 2: So you're now.
Speaker 1: Gepping into what one hundred and thirty just to those
three guys anything you pay, and with by the way,
Asar Thompson's next deal coming down the pipeline too, And
I just worry again if it was, if you know
that you think you can juggle it financially for the
next I don't know, three to five seasons or a
lot of markets dealsn't even last that long. But I
would just be worried that you're giving up all these
picks and you're also boxing yourselves into a financial quarter
that is going to come back to bite you or
for some tough decisions. Maybe not next year for me.
This isn't about next year, but in the ensuing years thereafter.
Speaker 2: Well, So I understand your point, but I do think
now is the time to do something because that Tobias
Harris contract is expiring. You know, we do know that
both Jayden and Jalen are going into restrictive free agency,
so they're going to be well, at least Jalen is
going to come back at a very expensive deal. But
you kind of want to use that for something like
this is the final trade deadline that they have where
they have significiking financial flexibility. Is kind of my point here.
So that's why I'm not out on the lowie marketing
experience and whatever. Plus marketing has been like low key
excellent this year, Like I'm under off a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, but yeah, it's it's just yeah, so, uh, would
you rather throw you're building your the offer that you
just built out for lowry marketing? Doesn't make more sense
to spend that on a lowry marketing or should they
be a Trey Murphy team who is substantially cheaper.
Speaker 2: That would be interesting. I don't hate that, I think I.
Speaker 1: Guess what I'm getting at with my point is that
they need to if they're gonna go for it, I
think they're good enough to at least consider it, have
a conversation. But if they're gonna go for it, and
that it's gonna be someone like a marketing who is
either on the books for two plus years at a
huge clip or you know you're gonna have to pay
him at a huge clip. You're like, you kind of
need to be sure and otherwise you do need to
be more cognizant. All right, well, how much is this
guy making now?
Speaker 2: Now and moving forward? Do you think Troy Weaver and
Joe Dumorris would ask the Pistons how many picks they
have to attach to get Tobias Harris.
Speaker 1: They might really want, weren't they. They're Troy Weavers, the
front office that drafted Jay and Ivy.
Speaker 2: Maybe they really want Jay and Ivy. That would see see,
now we have the ankle and Joe obviously has the
ties to Detroit. So hey, that's not a bad one.
Like just call them up Tobias Harris for Trey Murphy.
You win. You see what they say? What they say?
Just ask you questions of any of the players we've named,
have they've been This is when you're going into these negotiations.
You're not looking at us R. Thompson as someone you're
willing to give up for any of these guys. Correct, no, no, no, out,
I'm with you there. That's about I think if they're
good enough, do you think that they'll oldly make a
big mover, will be Do you think it'll be more
of a middle ground type situation. Oh, that's a good question.
I know. I think they realize that that they have
a certain opportunity at this point, and that opportunity is
gone after the summer. So I no, I think they're
going to make a big out. I think they're going
to go in and I respect it.
Speaker 1: I'll respect it too. Especially the East is wide open.
Speaker 2: Say what you want about. Oh, they're just gonna have
to face Oka.
Speaker 1: See, the East is wide ass open right now.
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Speaker 2: How's this for a segue? The knicks are not the prohibited.
Neither the Nixon nor the Cavaliers have established themselves of
this prohibited favor to come out of the East.
Speaker 1: I think if you picked either one of them to
come out of the East, you don't need to change
your pick right now. I don't know how good you're
necessarily feeling about your pick. You probably feel a little
bit better about the Knicks than the Cavaliers.
Speaker 2: My question for the Knicks more, what do they need
more a bigger wing, another rib protector or backup ball
handler slash point guard HiPE.
Speaker 1: I have an answer, but I want to ask you
the question.
Speaker 2: Oh I oh, that's a good one. So I don't
the first one you brought up, like another big wing. No,
I'm okay with Josh hart Mchal Bridges and oh Jannanobia.
I'm I can live with that. I'm gonna say ball handling,
backup ball handling guard. I understand like the appeal having
another rim protector just defensive for defensive purposes in the playoffs,
but you can just We've seen time and time again
in the playoff situations that when you lose capable of
ball handlers, your offense just dies. It dies, It just
jumps off a cliff. So I'm going to say having
another ballhandler, because as much as I love Duce McBride,
I don't necessarily think that he's quote unquote like a
reliable table setter in that regard. Fantastic three point stroke
this year, by the way, Worth you know keeping that
in the back of their mind strong defender. Who is
that guy who's going to basically run the show if
Jalen goes down for a couple of games. This is
a titled collag Josh Hart Jordan Clarkson. None of those
options as of right now, to me, appear particularly attractive.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of the points you made were
necessarily wrong, but I'm want to tell you why you're
wrong about what they need most because one, this is
how I view it.
Speaker 2: You could talk about the need for the offense has been.
Speaker 1: Like they can slug it out without Jallen Brunton on
the court in the regular season. If you lose Jalen
brun Sand, your regular season's over, your playoffs are over.
Speaker 2: I'm just not going to care about that.
Speaker 1: Right they need another big wing in the single worst way,
and you could make the case for a rim protector,
but that is just a huge ash and huge ass
indictment of the way you have built out your front court.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 1: The whole idea was we have Yabu and Mitchell, Rominson
and Carl the towns are gonna be big in versutile
one big lineups, two big lineups, Yabucelli. He's had some
moments recently. He has been mostly but for this team,
Mitchell Robinson on the load management plan has had. He
came up pretty big for in that win over Orlando
where Franz Wagner went down. They wily need n against
bigger matchups. The offensive rebounding is great.
Speaker 2: He's actually not been that good on defense this year.
Karl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 1: We know what Karl Anthony Towns is on the defensive end.
I just don't if you're getting a rint protector, are
they gonna be on the floor in frunch time? And
even if they're not, how many minutes are they playing
when you have those three, Well maybe you're giving up
Robinson or jab Bucelli to get them. I look at
this as this defense right now can really not function.
Speaker 2: Without ogn Andobi on the court.
Speaker 1: That is problematic in all sorts of ways because the
Knicks really don't have a ton of wing depth. They
have og An Andobie, Michal Bridges, Josh Hart.
Speaker 2: That is a hit. They're not playing the hamat Dijara.
Speaker 1: Intriguing defensively for sure, but going Dottie not even sure
if Mike Brown knows his name right. The problem becomes
they have two kind of like bigish wings and really
only one, and it's in Ananobe where Michael Bridges is.
You don't want him to do any of the low
man stuff. But him and I oh Jannanobi's they can
both still in the gaps. That's not Josh Hart can
do some of that, but he's also not He's six'
five or whatever is he's not. Big AND i look
at this to say you need another. Body it's not
gonna be someone.
Speaker 2: You expect to clothes.
Speaker 1: Lineups you don't have the assets to go out and
get just this awesome player that is going to play
a ton of minutes for. You but can you GET
i brought this name up a ton.
Speaker 2: Justin champagne from The.
Speaker 1: Wizards can you get maybe Even Io.
Speaker 2: Desumu is on the smaller. End do you have the
assets to go out and get? You you're talking about, wings,
Right i'd Assume loo can guard up is at least a.
Point so, WELL i, mean come, on if you're sitting
there talking about like we need a, wing there's need
a big. Wing here's here's six foot Four, iodasumu who's
like more of a point. Guard come, on come, on
LIKE i think that's not, him think. Bigger if we
gotta go, WING i can, LOOK i, CAN i can
see your. POINT i don't disagree with. You but then
let's think a little bit outside the. Box let's think
about someone who's at least like six' eight, six' nine can,
play the three can. Play the four.
Speaker 1: Then go get him as even if they are, a
defensive specialist because they don't have the access to go get.
Anywhere somewhere else, but you also you know if You're,
gonna be also the hour consumable thing is you're trying to.
Bridge two gaps as you get some ball handling there,
and then someoney you can at least throw on, some
tougher coverages and he can guard the, point of Attack
Which ensures michel bridges Doesn't have to.
Speaker 2: So the, POINT of attack I agree with he's. Pretty
good there it's. The other stuff i'm probably a little
bit more. Worried ABOUT defensively.
Speaker 1: But i think because of how dependent You are og
ananobe to cover up for, everybody right now you need
to get ready, in THE event because i think you
could make THE case and i probably Even Would that
ogi ananobe is the single most irreplaceable Player on the.
Speaker 2: Knicks right Now That. Includes jalen, brunson oh, wow oh
okay just in terms of with Like, the fab briac
the two Way play.
Speaker 1: All rock, In the chat Nicks. Need herb jones they
just don't have the. Assets For him herb jones.
Speaker 2: Would. Work too yeah the problem is when you're looking for,
a bigger wing they're gonna be in the dregs of
the league because they just don't have the assets to
do like.
Speaker 1: Maybe, THEY could again i wouldn't even be in. Love
with this he's never been great against bigger. Players like
you maybe You can Get mattistible from portland if you're.
Step LADDERING salaries So I.
Speaker 2: Mean, mark jackson oh he really hasn't, been good defensively
but He also the grizzlies seem out on him, in
general totally and he was like at least very good
in this rookie, year offensively, defensively you know he was.
Really a rookie but.
Speaker 1: He does seem the Quintessential Guy that mike brown would.
Speaker 2: Not Play like the.
Speaker 1: Nicks have not developed like, He's a guy he's. A,
developmental guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true that is.
Speaker 1: What About again naji marshall would work For, them.
Speaker 2: To yeah that would be that's. A good name what six? Six?
Six seven right oh god? Is any bigger, by the
way kids today have ruined. That for me just, play six.
Seven he's sixth.
Speaker 1: They they have a six to seven pm now in
some OF the arenas i see IT On The nba,
LEAGUE pass broadcast I get and i have never felt
more WASHED than when i see those.
Speaker 2: Things come up he's as sex, By the way so,
take that. Kids, six nine yeah oh he's a big wing. In,
that way yeah SO that but i think they need
that because you want to be if you're gonna have
one and a lot of the times Two Of kar
Anthony towns And jail and brunson, on the court you
don't want to be as Beholden to off ojiananoby's injured
or we. Just like you you just need another big
wing to paper over Those Minutes that oji annoby's not.
On THE court because i think as of right now
you listed things.
Speaker 1: They Could do if jalen runs it is catching a
breather or, he's out right You Could, try josh Hart, try.
Speaker 2: Mcal bridges You Do.
Speaker 1: Have tyler kohlik the other thing Here, is if ogianinoby
Let's just, say ojiannaoby's healthy but he's playing thirty five
minutes a game, in, the playoffs whatever it's one of
those those eight, minutes a game he's.
Speaker 2: Off the court you don't.
Speaker 1: Want mckel bridges You Don't want josh hart doing the
Same things. That, ogiananobi does no you're not going To
get og anobi in, some cheap guy but just to
have that type of body to throw out those type
of assignments to do some of the lower man.
Speaker 2: STUFF as well i think that's their.
Speaker 1: THEIR biggest need i honestly think that wing depth has
been it's because they have these big names at The,
top towards oh this isn't going to, be a problem
but this is, assuming fantastic health which when it comes
To og, an andobe specifically we really can't.
Speaker 2: Just presume THAT and so i think that's. THEIR biggest
need i think everything we.
Speaker 1: Talked about, is a need which is kind of Just
why the knicks might feel a little bit unconvincing at
this point as a as, a you know bring to.
Speaker 2: The crop contender i'm not sure how they go, about
acquiring him because you will have to Give up Probably,
josh or mitch either. One OF. Them p j washington
would slide, right into this be, trained this year. All
the extension. Damn that's, true oh damn oh. Yeah about
it you thought all Rock One. SVAN grant williams I Don't.
HEALTHY grant williams i don't think does enough Of, What
they honestly i'd probably rather have mckel bridges guarding like
bigger wings around the Basket Than thank grant williams. At
this point, so you, see he's overpaid so that's why he.
Will come, cheaply but again this is where it's tough
to actually get rid of guys who do who you
know does. A Good Job but patrick williams would fit. Like,
the salaries, sir, no, no, no no no, sir no.
No no no he's. A big wing he can at
least shoot the ball. A bit defensively he's actually probably
what you're looking for, in, THAT role right i probably.
Speaker 1: Want someone better how much do you trust him? IN
that role i mean he's.
Speaker 2: GONNA come in i trust him every year. Nine and
four i'd. Like my night my life depended on it
because that's just, what he does nine and four for
the win. Every single time? DO we think i just
Don't think they why would they trade him to? A
running weight that's is that the, archetype, of player right
someone who's not?
Speaker 1: Using it right IT could like I think af bogie
would be like the most realistic OR even As, i
MENTIONED champagne who i still, believe is underrated. That feels
realistic and maybe guys who might Actually play a bogi's
on his. Rookie scale deal but you kind of have
proof of the concept concept. From last year it's also
those guys are in the realm of. THEIR trade assets
I Just, mentioned dean Wade assuming that cow's are even willing,
to move him like you're probably Are You in dean
wade asset territory If. YOU'RE the knicks i have Seen
a little knicks fans have been minie smitten with the
idea of like Aduced McBride for. TARRY eason SWAP i
don't i guess.
Speaker 2: You can get on, board WITH that but I do
what I will caution i will if you're you're gonna
get way more expensive than after this because the deuce is.
Speaker 1: On another team, controlled THE year and i, Think THAT
so like i know he's gonna need, an extension eventually
but that's something you.
Speaker 2: Have TO reconcile and i also would be curious to see.
Speaker 1: Like you're Getting rid, of duce McBride which Has insulated
Mchel bridges and ogiannobi against defending at the point of
attack as often as they, did last year which has
allowed them to. Play the gaps Do You trust tarry
easton to defend exclusively at the point Of Attack?
Speaker 2: IN new york i think, you probably.
Speaker 1: Could but he's been someone who's dealt with his. WHOLE
health issues I think the rockets would. Be the team
this is all to say that would most likely say.
No to that with The Emergence, OF reed shepherd i
know They're missing bread Van's lead, and douce McBride as,
you pointed out he's not like that conventional. Guard type
anyway but if they're worried about their payroll and they
know that he's only on the books for four million, bucks,
next year maybe but that's The idea that knicks fans seem.
Speaker 2: To want to. Go, Through it look i'm in the
camp of, wanting another ballhandler not another wing But if,
at Duce McBride as harry easton trade is in, any
way feasible you take that and You Run like tarry
easton to me is one of the most underrated players. In,
the league, yeah you absolutely absolutely. FREAKING do that i
would be in the camp that would be a little
bit more hesitant than. You would be you're also you're
you're you're. A safety guy dan. A safety Guy, but
he's look he's done with issue.
Speaker 1: Stuff stuff Too and then i'm just wondering how Much
or the knicks will want to pay to keep this
corn place.
Speaker 2: After the season he's. Wondering too much, lean, Into life sir.
Lean into life who you think would be more likely
to say no? To, That Trade though like houston just,
shuts It down and houston immediately should. SHUT it Down i,
love Duce McBride but. TARRY e isn't. I think again
i also Feel as though houston went in. The wrong
Direction They Extended jabari smith Junior instead. OF tarry's night
i think. SORRY is better i think he was the
one who should have been. A maiden state. They apparently
disagree we'll see how. IT ends up i, could BE
WRONG but I I like torry, easton far more Far
More Than joe. Barr, smith do yeah we've BEEN through.
Speaker 1: He I think tarr easton is the more Valuable player than,
DOUCE to McBride i just when you're, factoring in contracts
and also you know checker Health bills and taris has
never been a higher, minute guy too and so maybe
don't even to be a higher Minute Guy in New
york With.
Speaker 2: Og and josh. AND McHale Be i thought.
Speaker 1: Houston would shut it down and MAYBE that's why i.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't have didn't give it enough Credence, For THE knicks
and i also fall IN the camp i Do Think
That jabari smith junior is More Valuable.
Speaker 1: Than tar EANs we.
Speaker 2: Can mult be wrong once. In a, While, It's, okay
dan yeah our next team up third Place. IN the
east i would not have predicted this at any. Stretch
this season what is your Question For? The boston celtics is?
This worth it so this isn't even like it's going
into the trade season kind of thing, like because no
but we had, This discussion before like they have their
own draft pick this year in the twenty twenty. Sixth draft, class,
is ridiculous right at. The top, level so, like, All
Right well jalen brown is, averaging twenty nine their their
offense is humming fourth. In the league everything is kind
of working out on that side. Of the floor but
my question is? To what end what is the end
game here? For, This, season like oh we're gonna we're
gonna make it, to the playoffs probably gonna get bounced in.
The first round. That, was nice look we we, went out,
Proud You. Know, celtic pride oh you could Have Potentially
had darren peterson if you, weren't you know TRYING to just,
i don't know virtue signaling or whatever you want, to call, it,
just like oh we're, we're we're here we're. Trying, to,
win yeah sure. Sure you are? Why should you it
doesn't make. SENSE to me i think that the problem
with taking that view now is How are they they're
not going to get in the. Territory they need they've
already like that, Ship has sailed you're as we're going? To? Six,
games wow yeah, but god damn like they could have
changed pace, some time. Ago?
Speaker 1: Couldn't THEY yeah, but i mean What were you so
the idea was just To Never play jalen brown because
you're looking at just some of the, seasons they've gotten
Like Just from hada josh, Might Not, Contributing Jordan walsh jordan,
wallsh excuse me immerging they've had Good Minutes from luca.
GARZER At points i my question would? You feel better
because my question is. Sort of twofold can they? Duck
the tax they're about twelve point one?
Speaker 2: Million dollars over do you feel better about this season
if they do duck the tax because then it doesn't
count towards? Their repeater clock or.
Speaker 1: Is this like your just So far, at like no
they should still try and get worse and just. Maximize
their dress it's not going to be in, the top
five but they could probably still get a lottery pick
if they if they.
Speaker 2: Really wanted to those are all.
Speaker 1: The moving parts and the OTHER thing is i want
to know who among these guys that are emerging. Or
actually keepers when you Look, at a cata seems like
he might.
Speaker 2: Be that Guy?
Speaker 1: Why not, walsh for sure that dude's all. Hustle AND
heart but i also should they be open to the
idea mort not to go all, in on something but
should they look at, this, and say oh do we
need a heine or end? Alternate ball handler do we
want to try and get someone who's more of the center.
Of the future and, to, your point though if they're
still viewing this as a gap year where, they reorient
themselves they also probably have, to, ask themselves okay do
we keep Are We keeping Peyton Pritchard? And derek White
So the dyn, brown's going Nowhere But, the Sam Hauser,
the Peyton Pritchard the derek white, of it all they
have a lot of balls. In THE air and i
don't think they were supposed to have this many in
THE air because i did not see them being Third
In the eastern.
Speaker 2: Conference more than a quarter of the way, through, THE
season right, I mean PERSONALLY i just i come Back
To the, jason tatum thing where you have no idea
how he'll look. When he returns just because we've seen
guys come back from, akilas tears, Before you know durant is.
The obvious example it does not mean you automatically, can,
Assume That oh jason tatum is going to be one
hundred percent of himself like we all hope that. He
Will be so i'm looking at this from a, long
TERM perspective because i just can't be guaranteed, that HE
returns and i would much rather go into like a
draft season where it's so deep and you can really
find guys within like the first four, or five picks
and like the issue here of, course being yeah you
can't get in there with, your own selection but if
you get significantly worse and your pick worsens or not well,
your picking proves then you can at least try. To
trade up it's easier to trade, UP from like, i
don't know eleven than it. Is twenty one so tell That.
To the pelicans, that was. Mean all Right but also
i'm just not closing the door on perhaps maximizing whatever
you can get Out Of a, jalen BROWN trade but
i wouldn't necessarily do it In season unless i'm pretty
Sure that what i'm getting. Back. Is naps all this
team just, weirds. ME out MAN i just i don't
understand what their. END goal is i don't understand what
they're trying. To achieve here it all, seems very fake
old like not the players are giving. HIM at all,
i love that and the coaching staff. Are right there
it's just the Direction the we're we're gonna keep fighting
despite our. Guys being, down it's, like all right what? Are?
YOUR words yeah i JUST feel like. I don't know
i just feel like you're being pretty dismissive, of WHAT'S happening.
BECAUSE i, am I absolutely. BECAUSE i don't i don't
think this. LEADS to anything i think this at the end,
Of the day i'm trying to look, five YEARS ahead
and i could just see a scenario so clearly in
my mind in Five years where celtics fans are all going,
to be like why the hell didn't we tank in twenty.
FIVE twenty six.
Speaker 1: I think you're operating under the assumption One than Any
joe and mizzoula coach.
Speaker 2: Team could tank he is.
Speaker 1: A psychiast too do you think this has more to
do with people underestimating what The Load that jalen brown
could carry as just THE? Option one a because if
if this is The Version of jalen brown, that you
have how are you supposed to thank Why Not? FINDING
jalen brown i don't Think that was we've we kind
of Mentioned it in, Jess like previously you're Not Gonna
put jaalen brown On Like the, kawhi leonard broken like
we just played forty one, Games this year.
Speaker 2: You'll be fine it was just never gonna.
Speaker 1: Happen like THAT and, so i, think if anything what
they're doing now is a testament, To Everybody, Involved, john
brown joegazula the, guys they found but also kind of
speaks to all right Tanking in This eastern common look,
look that entail Look, at the wizards look, at the
nets like you were just never gonna.
Speaker 2: BE this bad i think the cardinal critique then WOULD
be and i would, disagree with, this, is that well
then they Should Have traded derek white, over the summer
they should have Looked At, trading jalen brown or they
should have really if they, wanted to tank they should
have really. Stripped it down now that that's, Kind of
past i'm. Meaning hinto this i'm not giving up like
four first round picks to go out, and get whoever
and like their salary matching tools.
Speaker 1: Are really weird but if they get someone who maybe
draws fouls on this team with the ball in his, hands,
OR like right i know a lot of people think
that they might already be set at center their center
of The. FUTURE with kata i wouldn't be opposed to looking.
Speaker 2: AT other.
Speaker 1: BIGS i do i am curious to see what they
try to do with THE tax THOUGH i know i
keep going, back to, That, but twelve no it's cauled
millions a LOT to cut I thought some i can't
remember who, first mentioned this but Maybe Like a Anthony
Simon's for colin. SEXTON type trade i don't think that
gets you all, the way there but probably within striking
distance ahead.
Speaker 2: Of the draft and.
Speaker 1: That's You know, with sexton's driving maybe he adds, some
you know like foul drawing to your. Offensive mix there
BECAUSE you and i differ on, them so much it
speaks to how complicated.
Speaker 2: They are as a. Trade, SEASON candidate well i. WILL say,
This i mean i'm talking about what they. SHOULD have
done i do agree with you that the ship has.
Sort of sailed they won. Fifteen games already they're not,
gonna you know win five games the rest, of the
way even if they. Do make, alterations you know they've just.
Won too much they're just. Too, HIGH up well i
don't feel like they should compound the issue by going
out and, like you know leaning into an acceleration of
what they're doing right now and that is not what,
You're suggesting either like you're just leading into the current vibe.
Of the team, SO in totality i agree that given
the situation, that THEY'RE in but i do WANT to
acknowledge i think that situation is fucked up by. Their,
own design yeah avoiding the repeater tax. Is absolutely crucial
it's probably going to Be like a. BROOKLYN oriented deal
i would imagine for them to absorb like what they need?
To absorb twelve? Is it twelve full.
Speaker 1: Point one is what they're over the tax by, And
for ME simon's for i don't think even that, Would
do it like What is the brooklyn could do, It
most easily but what type of compensation if you're Because,
if you're brooklyn what's the value of.
Speaker 2: Having is right contract to? A for assignments that, is,
The issue right so it might be a three team
trade or something. ALONG those, lines i, Mean we'll see
but it does feel like those two are at least
engaged in some Sort of like, hoopling's first situation because let's,
be Real here the nets Know what the celtics are.
UP against here i don't think they're just, sitting, there going,
oh you know we're just gonna let that available cap
space just sort. Of wash out, now they're waiting they're
absolutely Waiting for the, Celtics, to like okay we need
to avoid the repeater sex the Other route. The celtics
have this doesn't get them all.
Speaker 1: The way there but if they were just willing to Lop,
off sam hauser that's ten MILLION dollars that i think
other teams would just take. Into THEIR exceptions that i
imagine would be pretty easy.
Speaker 2: To do and then you kind of. Go FROM there but,
i don't. Know that's weird we have a comment of
the chat from Our Video.
Speaker 1: Editor Andrew Willett is robert williams a good enough healthy
backup center to go trade for? Help, THIS team yeah
i mean that's the type of if you're leaning, into
this season he's on. AN expiring contract i don't know
what he would cost, to get again This, Is their
honestly portland could probably Use, a sam Hauser Like a
Sam Hawser. For robert williams trade that you're actually taking on,
MONEY in.
Speaker 2: That i believe so that's where.
Speaker 1: IT gets complicated i think what is to use the
word complicated again Is how does boston juggle or feel
like dueling agendas to where there, is the oh should
we maximize our draft pick.
Speaker 2: In the, BACKGROUND even still i don't know what. That
looks like there's cutting the tax and, that it's well
how do we react to what's going? On right now
and how you can't do all threes at three.
Speaker 1: Things at once you probably also let's stick. To the
two can you upgrade the center rotation or the ball
hand rotation and duck the tax that you might have
to pick one of, those quite frankly and so that's
where it.
Speaker 2: Gets, SUPER challenging, yeah i agree despite being Third, in
the east which, should BE celebrated and i. THINK we
should i think you're right that we should celebrate it
because of the coaching staff. AND the players i think
those are not THE people that i put anything on.
In this conversation it is the, team AT large because
i don't. BUT that's me i will always believe that
if it Seemed like the celtics find themselves in this
situation where their superstar is out for a year and
the draft class coming in is like ridiculously, ALMOST pervertedly
good i will always. LEAN draft always i don't care
If it's the, Celtics, the thunder well the thunder might
get the, high pig regardless Because. THANK you Clippers i
guess i'm just not harping on that now? DOES what
though i guess it's more so my main point? Is that,
Fair all right i'm nacking about something. That didn't, happen,
You're right okay so the ducking of the tax is now? The?
Primary place yes? So what about is there like? A?
Speaker 1: Construction Here Honestly so Terrence Man for anthony simons gets
you out, of the tax but Then You have terrence
man on your? Books moving forward then let's have watched
fifteen point three Million In space dayiron sharp makes six
there Like A day Ron Like does Dayron Sharp and
Cameron Thomas For, anthony simon's again what do you have
to give up?
Speaker 2: To?
Speaker 1: Make, that well Hey what high? Smith would Work what
about Simon.
Speaker 2: Have to cam would have to wave his, note TRADE claws.
Speaker 1: Which i think you can contribute to a. Real basketball
team that's how you. Prove your value he does lose his,
bird rights though what about Like A day Ron sharp
And hayward HIGH.
Speaker 2: Smith for I, mean it's anthony that's not that. IT'S
too much I think for brooklyn to take back, be
pretty close so.
Speaker 1: You can probably figure it out Like what A Hayward
High smith dayron sharp and THEN small Salary X or
Damn Thomas. For anthony simons that could be. Something, they
pursue uh it Feels like something i'll have to involve.
A THIRD team But.
Speaker 2: I, IF i'm Boston i think i'm probably looking to
duck the tax first and upgrade the roster. For, this
season second because THEY would be i could come up
with bigs like what would It Cause again walker Kessler?
Out of, utah right now That's it's the boston's plan
to wait? Until next season would.
Speaker 1: You take A Flyer on derek? Lively The second what's
dallas' appetite?
Speaker 2: For moving him that? Could, BE fun. YEAH i would i.
WOULD for sure i believe. In that upside who's our?
Next team ward who is Forced In? The Eastern Conference
the toronto Raptures According to basketball? Reference at, least so
yeah what's your question for the? Two or so I'll Take. THE? Toronto,
raptors i well did did You? Took? TO celtics? Right?
I did? Yes? YOU apologies yes? I think so My
question for toronto. Would be, one it's there like eight
hundred thousand dollars away from ducking the tax i assume
that's what they're. GOING to do i want to know
how invested are they in improving the roster this season
and what do they view as? Their biggest need is
it we Need Someone okay jacoby walter?
Speaker 1: Good On defense grady dick even if the shooting, percentages
aren't there he puts a ton of, pressure on defenses
but the. Quip isn't consistent jamal shed can be all
over the.
Speaker 2: Place on offense can they get a role player who
just fills THE three, in d five like just checks
both boxes, and more like, Oh check out baji could
be all over? The PLACE offensively or i think you
can make a case they've been Killing it with mamu,
at the five but he's not really like. A like
protector so are you looking At That behind yakam pertle
and then you could play lineups with mom who is
also Alongside that big are you LOOKING? At moving rj
barrett whose absence is kind of coincided with. Their recent
slide my other question for them is there a way
for them to branch out their? Crunch time offense which has.
Really petered out they. ARE bottom five i know it's.
A Small sample brunch time is.
Speaker 1: Inherently small samples they're twenty Sixth in crunch, time offensive
rating and it's very heavy on branded ingroom and his
shot Making on tough looks has kind of plummeted back
down to to regress to let's call. It the mean
this team seems like it could. Be really good i'm
just curious to see what do they view as their
biggest need and how invested are they in going out
there and trying to address.
Speaker 2: It, this, SEASON yeah no i think all of those.
Are REASONABLE Questions the, rj barrett, situation to me is
interesting because it still, feels to me despite their, success
this year that they're, like one wing too many chefs
in the kitchen. Kind of thing and if that could
also free Up Minutes For colin murray boyles, to get
in like you would have to shit shit not shit
shift some people around a little bit, on The positions
like brandon playing more of, the you know the traditional
two Or, three with, barnes you know coming in and
out of, three or four but JUST pivoting off RJ
to provide cmb with more minutes IS something that i
would be incredibly intrigued by because he's he's just so
ready already defensively, on the glass like the shot has.
Looked surprisingly good there's there's so much love. With this
guy the question is if YOU'RE pivoting off rj who
has this larger, salary as well it's you're going to,
get someone back is going to. BE a playmaker i
think that, would Be interesting like jamal shed just, like
you said find playmaker kind of all over the place
offensively in terms of. The scoring column there's someone out
there who can come in like You Brought up iodu
sumu Earlier. For the knicks could he be someone who's
interesting here, in this situation perhaps getting some Of those
expiring chicago Contracts Inside there sack collins type Maybe Like
A sumu sack collins, situation for That Or get zach
collins all the way from Away From. The toronto raptors
what are? We, doing here oh it's just? An expiring?
Contract what's up what is your.
Speaker 1: What is your what is that you want TO Trade
r J Barrett? For zach, collin and then, by the
way the other thing is do YOU think sir. I get,
FAIR i also i WOULD question just cnb has had
minutes be all, over the place EVEN As r j barrett.
HAS missed time i don't know THAT Trading r j
barrett would just open up.
Speaker 2: Minute, they played yeah that's. A fair point that's. A
fair point i, don't like that, by the way he. Should,
PLAY more, yeah i MEAN but it's i don't actually
think that they're when you're looking, At their rotation i'm
a okay with The way that darko is kind of.
Speaker 1: TRIED out different i don't think you need to be married.
To your depth you'd be cool to see him, get
more minutes but if you're concerned about offensive Shot making
it but their offense has been pretty. Bad of late
we've seen their indicators across the board kind of fall
during their most.
Speaker 2: Recent HUFF stretch but i.
Speaker 1: Think when you look at the makeup, Of this lineup
i'd probably be more concerned about THE things that cnb
is not going to help them address if he.
Speaker 2: Is. PLAYING more, wow, i mean look we, BY the
way i did not expect this sort of reaction from
you In Terms, Of SACK collins can i interest you
in A Slightly used, kevin herder instead it'd be interesting.
For this team do you trust him to make Shots More?
THAN grady. Dick i don't he probably does a little
bit More Defensively. Than GRADY dick now i Trust Much
more Red Haired. Than, grady dick YES is that i
didn't know that was sort, Of A prerequisite BUT i
think i think ultimately yes in terms of the, free, point,
VOLUME like yes i. Trust him more he's just had not.
The greatest YEAR but again i would assume was, the
draw though and it's also. The, CAP flexibility now i
not to assume it's going to be like an unrestrictive creation.
After this year so he's going to cost you in regards,
To RETAINING him but i don't anticipate him Costing more than,
BARRETT at least. I don't know i just think there's
some level of framework here that.
Speaker 1: KIND of work i also don't know what to make
of just when you've seen, the returns again they've BEEN
minimum of Rj and. Brandon Ingram together the raptors offense.
Is their, defense excuse me the offense, has been fine
but The defense the raptors in the twentieth percentile when
those two share the floor on defense opponents are getting
to the ram aton. During those minutes some of those
Lineups that have yaka pertl in them are getting absolutely
Roasted from three and this, team's roster construction there's a,
lot of talent but it's just so WEIRD to where
i don't know, that, you can like if you take,
out one player if it was LET'S, TRADE r j
i think you might create other problems because you were
there talking about. A ball handler are you getting a secondary?
ALL handler back i know A lot of, raptors fans
rightfully so for the most PART don't trust iq. In
THAT role but i think his gravity on off the,
balls a shooter even when he's not, always making shots
is too important. To the team there's a lot of
different directions. They could go We have all rock in
The Chest saying derek white. Would Be awesome derek white
are Probably, awesome.
Speaker 2: For oh that's a Good Shout by ALL rock because
i actually remember doing a pod, On you know dantiy
shpod where we were talking about A framework Of Rja.
For derek white that's not, a bad. Shout That's interesting
derek white would be a, Tremendous fit there like not
high volume obviously a. Three, point threat defensively we, can
trust him you know we in terms of the playmaking.
Acumen he's there that's a. Really, good Shout Yeah more Derek,
WHITE for toronto i.
Speaker 1: Mean THAT would Be I think derek white probably a
fantastic fit on twenty nine other teams in. OUR boss
has i just don't know, What's, their appetite like that's
the trade that's, costing, you salary well double, first ROUND
picks and I Would Assume, colin murray boyles you're not
getting out.
Speaker 2: Of without giving. Up, a prospect no? WHAT that's. INTERESTING
i don't I don't Think I had derek white peg
that's that level. Of value, Though, THAT'S interesting like i
what is his value actually, In A, VACUUM derek white
i probably, would have been, TO be fair i would
have been higher in the summer than. It, is NOW
yeah but i don't think two first round picks alone
Is Getting.
Speaker 1: You derek white and so If, you're the raptors would
you prefer really do You think the raptors put the
twenty twenty six first round pick and a twenty twenty
eight first round pick on the table plus salary that
It's Getting them derek white when they're and they're not
the team That can say, boston, Any, money.
Speaker 2: Right, no maybe. Yeah that's fair so maybe it's a
three team trade. In some capacity it's just, LIKE the overall,
i don't know you. Might be right it's JUST when
when i hear two first round Draft Picks, for derek
white my rain. Kind of breaks but that actually might
not be that bad. OF a deal i think UNDER
the new cpa where or the APRON eras as i
like to refer, IT to as I Think a derek
white contract is not necessarily as attractive, to have, given
you know also the age and then two first when
when we know the picks are now, at a premium
they're worth so much in terms of like having the
four years locked in pretty much at a substantially cheaper
rate to help you avoid, the aprons altogether, like two
picks two firsts that, it SEEMS suggressive but i can
also thought it was going. TO be, LESS.
Speaker 1: I like, i don't know if it's one, FIRST round, Pick,
I say, boston, I think honestly i Think, that the
raptors because it's basically.
Speaker 2: Worth's money Wise. IT SHOULD.
Speaker 1: Yeah r j barrett in two first Round Picks. FOR
derek white i would Be shocked if boston said, yes
to that.
Speaker 2: You know what and it's fair because he's that good
at twenty eight, thirty forty two and then he's probably
going to opt in in twenty eight because that's almost.
Forty five million, let's be real he's. Opting, into that
well we don't know what the landscape is going to
look like at, that POINT though either. I don't know
we know it's three. Years away, though all.
Speaker 1: Right so it's three you're on the hook for three
years and about one Hundred Million for grek white, after,
THE season correct i. Would Give up If, I'm the
raptors i'd probably, make that trade just. To Be clear
and I'D like what rj has done since He's, Been
in toronto but you also need the TEAM that's getting.
I don't know I don't think BOSTON would value rj
The same way toronto would when that would be Similarly
not With tatum.
Speaker 2: And, brown there yeah so that's that's. The third team
perhaps someone who IS looking, into R two can I
pose what i believe it? Would, be more Really We've.
Speaker 1: Had DAYRON sharp mentioned I actually think i wrote About
Him At Bleach report dayroon sharp would makes sense if
you want, to go big you'll have my eye. On
for them and he's kind Of he's Not he's Not
eric white light because he can't handle the ball or pass.
Like he Could What about keon ellis, for this team
just to sort of that guy comes in defense.
Speaker 2: And hits, threes you know.
Speaker 1: It's like done there's like we can round out like
our one of our best five man.
Speaker 2: Units with, him you Know You have scottie Ingram quickly
and ellis could play together futs and fiddle. In the
middle If You Want, mamu calamary boyles You Also.
Speaker 1: Have yaka, PURLE of course i really liked THE idea
of i think that's with this team just relative to
how because it's kind of expensive for a team that
yes we're talking about them in the Top Half, the
eastern conference but we're not talking about them as if
they're on the precipice of. TITLE contention NECESSARILY i think
i was High on the. RAPTORS than most i didn't
see them necessarily being there was a point where they
were one of three teams in.
Speaker 2: The top seven of.
Speaker 1: Offense AND defense So i like keon ellis FOR them
because i think maybe you could probably duck the tacks
while getting.
Speaker 2: In, me so cheap and who knows how much he.
Speaker 1: Costs to retain but even if he's just, a stop
gap he fits in every single lineup construction they.
Speaker 2: COULD possibly GO i don't i don't. Hate that. Whatsoever
that's interesting that's the nicest thing. You've, ever said okay.
Speaker 1: Our Next Team, the orlando magic who got a.
Speaker 2: Bit of good news relative to.
Speaker 1: Being bad News where franz agner is going to be
reevaluated in two to four. Weeks after suffering would it
end up being? A cash strain is that what they
diagnosed as?
Speaker 2: A high angle i think it was, A highest, spring,
BUT like okay i just want to note that that
was the initial Initial Diagnosis for lonzo ball as well back.
In The day so, i'm, Just Homie no but i'm just, trying,
to say like let's let's be Let's give frontz Wagner
And the orlando magic the the basically the space to. Operate,
within this, like you know if it's two, to, Four
weeks great i'm all for if he's fully. Healthy AND
back because i was, COVERING this game i was calling
this GAME Over, at hbo max and. That looked bad
that looked so bad he was grabbing his knee before
his body had even, hit, the ground. Sir oh yeah
and then when they zoomed in on the, angle, THAT
like look i thought for sure there was something done
in like the quad or maybe, even, like yeah yeah it.
Looks So bad so, I'm just Like i'm not i'm
just not gonna point my Finger At the orlando magic
if the four week thing is going and like it's
coming and going and they're, gonna, be like hey, You
know what we're gonna take it a, couple extra weeks
just like take whatever time you need because. That looked
bad but in terms, OF my question i could be,
Provocative right now i'm. Considering being provocative do? It all?
Right fair enough so can, you really, get you know
into the depths of the playoffs when you're presumed best
player is basically The New? Era demarta, rosen.
Speaker 1: My god that's a weird thing To Say, about, Franz wagner, especially.
Speaker 2: No that, okay fair enough this the second best player.
IN that, case i mean so your question is do
you think that they CAN actually Do i Trust powelo
ben carrow is the ultimate, question HERE now and i
will preface this by SAYING something because i Actually do Like.
POWELO ben carro. I actually do i think he's got.
SO many skills i think his ability to get to
the foul. LINE is fantastic i do, like HIS playmaking
although i think it's been. Overstated a bit he comes
off as someone who understands the concept, of team basketball
but he's unfortunately forced into just milking the clock. Absurd
AMOUNTS occasionally so i don't think the position that he's
been put in is always. The GREATEST thing but i
also just like we have to look. At this realistically
he's getting paid an absolute craft. Ton of money he
is going to feature as one of the two best
players on this team for. A Long time and i'm just, asking,
The question right i'm Just, Asking question dan and there
might be an article Coming up on, yahoo about this,
by the way in some. Point in time i'm Just
Wondering if paula bencaro is too difficult to probably build
around in order for them to make like a big move,
or you know. Up the standings his three point shot has.
Never come around he's not really that. Dangerous off ball
he's not being used as a play. Finisher, all that
well his efficiency. Is Usually meh so i'm, just and
like if he had the ball to the extent, that
he did and he was an elite passer and an elite,
playmaker for, others all right that then. That gets interesting,
but he's good he's not elite. In That department so
I'M just whenever i, watch HIM play and i watch him,
PLAY a ton i always come away thinking he could have,
been used differently but and he shouldn't have that big.
Of a, role and three if we're looking ahead two
or three years or even just ahead, to this year
is he going to be able to come into the
playoffs and be? A difference maker, And so far i'm
just not personally at least, that ENCOURAGED yet although i
hope To be, WRONG orlando fans i think he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be fine there's a lot of what people have
pointed to was they were top ten in offense And
defense while polo Was out with franz in the Seven
games before. Palo got injured they were also in the
top ten all off as the defense with, BOTH of
them i think there are concerns and redundancies they needed
to figure. Out on offense i've been encouraged where for,
The most part and we'll see if the front injury
Changes This that paalo bancaro has looked like he's trying
to fit into what they were doing and while, he
was out and this is THE thing That i think
paalo has the. Ability to change nobody ran more off Of.
Misshots than orlando nobody was more efficient in transition overall
during That. Stretch than orlando and when you start to
break down the, ON off numbers i think this seasons
are the only one that matters because you can go
back to all. These Other Seasons but desmond bayin wasn't.
On the team and that's the other variable here is they're,
still Not struggling but desmond bain is really just yet
to be. Off and running he's an uneven season and
how does that variable fit.
Speaker 2: Into THE mix but.
Speaker 1: I think that They need to they were Playing faster
with poalo overall this year than they. Were last season
but can he fit into just what they were doing
after those rebounds where it feels like his first inclination
is if he gets the baller he grabs a rebound
like he's going to. SLOW things down i think that
would go. A long way IT also just i don't
know that they they're in A position to i know
we're asking The. QUESTION about polo i don't know if
they're in a position.
Speaker 2: To say that he is. The the Issue, like With.
Franz just fronz this season the one point, three, net,
Rating okay cool their offense was forty Ninth, percent of
like It's, Worse FOR polo but i don't know that
just removing him. FROM the equation i don't think fixes a.
Ton of, STUFF and honestly i think the bigger thing,
is and Look we've seen polow have it. In the
playoffs they've been kind, of brief performances, to be sure
but he's had some really. BIG playoff moments.
Speaker 1: I think this team needs to continue to lean into
optimizing the, Spacing around them and so it's can they
get maybe another wing type shooter on this team that's
an Upgrade from A tristan da silva or just someone
who will be guarded Differently Than an anthony.
Speaker 2: Black who's had a really good.
Speaker 1: Season as well looming, over all this, by THE way
and i Would think the franz Injury coupled with polo
being injured before they're five point six million dollars into
the tax. You Just paid polo franz's extension has, already
kicked In You. Have desmond baane i'm assuming they're gonna try,
and duck it and they're More Than a jet howard's
salary dump away. From doing it they also have only
fourteen people, on the roster so If You, trade jet
howard you're gonna invariably need to. Get someone else is
there a way THIS is something i thought of if, You,
could do like what's The Compensation for Jonathan Isaac and
jet howard To Bring back Corey?
Speaker 2: Kisbert? From washington. OH that's interesting i Like, that because,
kisbert you know everyone looks at him as just a
shooter buddy? Cut, is he oh he's such an elite finisher,
around the rim such an elite finisher and has been
for the vast majority. Of his career so that would
give them an entirely different. Component as well that is
a good name for a bad situation that might actually
come in and have a pretty. Good ripple effect what
is what was the Compensation? Level for washington that is
The Allure, of jet howard, right.
Speaker 1: Is yeah and you're looking at Basically functionally Between jonathan
And Isaac and. JET howard, THERE i mean i think
might be interesting, as a defender but he's just his
season has not been good this, year at. All not really,
it's expiring contracts but You're Giving. Up corey kisbert orlando is.
NOT giving up i don't even like what first do
they have to trade aside from swaps at this Point
After the. Desmond baine trade SO that's where i ran
into the, issue of okay what what?
Speaker 2: Does it?
Speaker 1: Take like seconds how many seconds does it take the?
Doors or seconds? JUST not Enough i don't i've questioned
whether you would Get And, IF i'm washington i might
just not. Move THEM then but i don't think anyone
just giving you an outright first Round Pick.
Speaker 2: For, corey, kisbert, no, no, no no. NO no no
i would be shocked at. That as well. THAT is
interesting i don't. HATE that framework I wonder if orlanto
is focused on trying To Pivot off, tyas JONES though, and, i,
think well look we can sit here and laugh because he's,
had a, Horrible horrible season but are WE sure that
nba teams are gonna look at, that, and, go oh
well this is who he is after he's just had
like three, Really strong years like are they going to
take a. Twenty four game he.
Speaker 1: Didn't have a Strong year in phoenix, Last year either
so now you kind of have you have to wonder
like how prominent a part of your let's say second
unit or secondary rotation is he need to be to have.
Speaker 2: The, intended impact, YEAH all, RIGHT i see i wouldn't
say he had a Bad, year IN phoenix but i
also think like circumstances just forced him into.
Speaker 1: A, to me yeah he was not Used optimally in
phoenix by. A, Night stretch.
Speaker 2: NOW so like i just think there's, more to him
like at and it's. AT seven million i wouldn't be
surprised if a good team came, in and, said oh
yeah having him run. THE second unit i don't. HATE that,
that i mean if you just offload him and it's
like taking, back smaller money that that could be the
mechanism by which you get out of. The, TAX too
yeah i think that would. Be the. Framework if anything
do you think that these The injury?
Speaker 1: TO franz specifically i know he's projected to probably be
back before. The trade deadline but do you think that
impacts their approach to the trade, deadline at all just
because they don't have a ton of information on their.
Best guys together, at this point when you look at,
how many minutes specifically what's the? Five man lineup everyone
wants to see a Ton, Of sugs Franz, Paolo Uh wendell.
Speaker 2: Carter junior AND who did? I, Leave Out.
Speaker 1: Oh desmond baine like you just don't the samples eye
on that is so minised school. At this point By
the time, Franz comes back i'll say four weeks would
be that. Would, be ideal now all of a sudden
We are into january. TENTH around there i just don't
know what verdict. You're, gonna draw again they didn't have
a ton of assets. To begin with i'm just curious
as to whether they look at this team and not
that they pump the brakes, a little bit but are
they less reticent to do more than just how do
we get out OF the tax.
Speaker 2: I would be surprised if they want to make big
moves just depending on the injury. Is one Thing powlo on.
Franz as well we have to acknowledge they they've sort
of taken, turns being injured like that's been a thing for.
A while, now i yeah it's a good question if
they were willing to go the extra mile. TO something
different i don't assume SO like they i feel Like
when the magic, generally do stuff it's like, one big
Thing Like the, desmond bine trade and then there's like
a sales that where, it's, just like oh it's silent
for a long time until they. DO something again i
could be wrong that Because they Have franz and Paolo
And and desmond bain who they got this, summer As
Well and anthony black, is looking good perhaps that gives
them enough mental ammunition to go, out, and say hey,
you know what let's lean into this thing and just
go full On Using that. Jonathan icy contract but It's,
Still The magic. So i'm wondering i'm wondering if they're
willing to. Go that FAR and also.
Speaker 1: I think you could, look and say what they're nine,
Eight man Rotation so you're franz, At, One, Healthy, Franz, Pallo, Bain, Suggs,
Black Carter junior Da silva and batadze are all just
guys you trust at this point right.
Speaker 2: To a certain extent. More, than others yes that's your
eight man.
Speaker 1: Rotation right there and are you just comfortable trying to
Fill in With isaac and Jones And some Noah penda
like and that's, where IT'S.
Speaker 2: Like do i feel so in terms of what that's,
probably my question AND like do? I feel comfortable and
like the depths of you you have.
Speaker 1: To upgrade, from i'm saying if you're, gonna the magic
you're gonna make. A move beyond we're trying to. Duck
the tech you upgrade from the eight MAN rotation that.
I just, met they're like you're not upgrading the projected
starting Or closing, five and no that's that should be
one of the. Best in basketball so that, WOULD be
well i don't think they should.
Speaker 2: Have an appetite but if you could.
Speaker 1: Get someone that, you think is oh maybe he is
better Maybe, not than black but like if you think
he can get Someone Better than da silva or someone Better.
Than but TODs it doesn't necess have to play. The
same position but you viewed them as a sixth or
seventh guy and, you're pecking order maybe. YOU consider it i,
just think that given the way the, season is unfolded
if they weren't likely to, do it before it's next.
To NIL now but i would predict maybe it doesn't
happen by, the trade deadline perhaps. BY the draft i
think that they're gonna make it a point to get
out of the.
Speaker 2: Tacks this year our next team Mort Is, the miami
heat sixth Place In. The eastern conference they.
Speaker 1: Are my team my question for them is what are
they allowed to do at?
Speaker 2: The Trade deadline is?
Speaker 1: Terror's ear tradeable do they have an extra first round
pick in their equip from that deal that they're allowed?
To give up but my real question for them is
what are they actually looking to do at? The TRADE
deadline because i just have so many. Questions for them
part of it is we've talked A lot.
Speaker 2: About look how. Fast they're playing, it's so cool like.
Speaker 1: They've reinvented themselves they're thirteenth in point, Score, per possession
like let's not this is not that's better. Than league
average but it's not like they're set in the. World
on Fire they've also i've seen a lot of o.
If Defenses Cracked the miami heats OFFENSE of late, i
mean maybe but like they do not finish well for
as much as they get, out in transition they're not.
Always finishing well they've flubbed a, lot of layups or
they have. WEIRD takeoff points i think they need to
look at they have these one track minds when they,
get in, transition where yeah you want to get, to
the basket but it's not illegal to try and. Work
the corners have guys kind of fan out. And WORK
those but. I, am wondering also. We saw this it
was THE game against i think was the. MAGIC we
saw i saw down the stretch that was a. Crunch
time game miami starts throwing all these ball, screens out
there which is not something that. They had done and
by all, THESE ball screens i think it was like
three consecutive possessions they, had bam out, a bio set a.
High ball screen do they need someone like who is
more accustomed to bringing that element of their offense or
do you look at trying to bring someone in who
fits into. What YOU'RE doing and i mean you could.
Maybe do Both the name i've had peg for them would.
Be super INTERESTING but also i need to ask. This
question first i'm all over the. Place with them This.
Is the heat what are they willing to Do? If, it's,
Giannis yeah whatever but are they willing to take on
longer term money or is it we want?
Speaker 2: To buy low like what does it Cost to get?
Zion right now is it? Just matching salary and can?
That Matching Salary can terry rozier be? Part of it he'd.
Speaker 1: BE so interesting i know They have khalil Ware And bam,
auta baio here but he could probably play alongside either.
One of, them AND finally before i throw, it to
you are you even sold on the Bam out Of bayo?
Speaker 2: Khalil ware dynamic.
Speaker 1: I'M just not I know that wear has had a,
really good season but, When they're together miami's. Lost those
minutes both of those dudes are shooting much worse from
inside the arc because they've branched out their game to the.
Three POINT line but i don't think that's inherently what
they're best at or what they. Want to do so
there are some, just spatial redundancies there are. MAYBE instinctual
redundancies i have a Lot like this. Heat team is
IT'S friskier, than i thought but they feel built sort of.
Like A placeholder and i wonder if their trade deadline
is gonna follow suit where they want, to make upgrades
but it's gonna be. By low upgrades and the.
Speaker 2: OTHER thing too I Think that tyler hero very important
to THIS team because i think that they could stand
to change up their offense from. Time to time he.
Speaker 1: Fits within it but if you want to run some
more high, ball screen sets that's someone like who's. The
perimeter player if you're running those, types of actions you'd
want the ball, in, their Hand Like, not norman powell
It Would be tyler hero would be.
Speaker 2: The pick there so We're onto the philadelphia seventy Six
ers because stan has just broken down everything no listen
first And foremost the. Bam kilaware thing. I'M also skeptical
I don't think, i'm out yet, like OFFICIALLY out but
i am circling the drain on. That one too they
do need someone who's an high, up tempo playmaker someone
who can get into the trench's like they're, like you
said they have the quickest offense, in the league but it's.
Not particularly effective one of the reasons why is AS
much As I, love davion mitchell who's really found his
role here and is averaging almost eight of. His per
game he is not necessarily someone who you fear in
transition as a. Scorer as well so who is that
guy who can come down the floor, off of missus,
push the ball who can make decisions with the ball?
In his HANDS and when, I say decisions i mean
good decisions, where, THEY know yeah i can take it
all the way, TO the rack i can spray it outside. Of,
THE three oh i have a trailer right BEHIND me
who i can dump. It off to who? Is That.
Guy tyler herro he's never. Been that guy he's probably.
Never Gonna be davion mitchell a little bit more conservative,
as a passer although he's solid in a half court.
Setting up Temple not Really haimi hakez a sold more
of like a slow it down type of half guy
who will find the fun. Angles and stuff who Is
that guy dan who will just run the floor freaking
relentlessly throwing dimes all over the place and get other people.
In scoring opportunities It's Also. Not Norman powell norman powell historically,
noted anti playmaker at least if for. Anyone but himself
not that that's an issue because he is arguably one
of the best shooting guard play finishers in the league
as of right now we're not Talking enough about so
perhaps this is A question of miami maybe, solving two,
things you know, with one throw Which is, The, bam
stuff like can You pivot off bam and get like
a type of elite playmaker onto this team who can
just run? The freaking show, and, if, so who like
who would you Want to trade? Bam for? THAT what?
Speaker 1: All, I mean, giannis I guess but i feel like
you probably want to. PAIR them together.
Speaker 2: I Don't Know, yana, hl Yeah yeah Like. Giannas, and
bam sure but it's, Just all right, So For me
i'm i'm going the long road like you would have
put you would have Pivot. OFF kil liware. I can
assume i DON'T even say i want to.
Speaker 1: Pivot off him, It's you know i'm Not trading Khalil
Ware for zion williamson, as, An EXAMPLE right but i
just have questions about THEIR fit and i wouldn't be,
As Opposed that like i'd seen Some stuff that miami
wouldn't want to Give up kalil ware in A trade
for yannas attenth coupo and then it's.
Speaker 2: A tough shit then you're not gonna have any Chance.
Speaker 1: Of Getting yanna So i'm just i'm wondering if it
even so you think it needs to Be that, not
jannest level but it needs to be. A BIGGER swing
where i was, looking at it they've tried to conserve
it feels like flexibility leading into. Twenty twenty seven or
is there someone that fits into that? Financial planning motif
because the offense is. Interesting to watch you named all
These Players like hoby hawka has been fun a lot
of the time this. Season, to, watch yeah yeah but
you do need to upgrade THE efficiency and i think
the ability to playmake out. Of THESE situations and i,
Don't you know i'm sure fans will, write this off
But Like, a LaMelo ball. He's injured again he'd be
interesting for this team if.
Speaker 2: He was healthy but.
Speaker 1: IS there someone i meant more so of, just a smaller.
MEDIUM scale move i also don't buy into the reporting
it Did Come, from jake fisher who's super Plugged in
that miami's Had Conversations, about john morant because it makes
no sense he Was upset about memphis offense last year
when they didn't have. Enough Bass screens now miami wants
to integrate him into this offense that Doesn't use.
Speaker 2: Right do you think players think? That? Far? Ahead though well.
Speaker 1: The other thing Is is that Miami did hire laroche
to help, install this offense and was he not the
coach who was responsible For.
Speaker 2: It in memphis jumpmurant has to at least be thinking
that doesn't reply to him thinking like. Eight, moves ahead
yeah it's so in terms of like uh answering a
question whether it needs to be that big of a
move Technically not and i'm, Not saying that i'm not
saying it, has to be but it does feel like
somewhat of an inevitability because like this team has gotten
younger suddenly. Out, of nowhere really their young guys, have
Started Popping like pela larson as well is starting to
look like a fully. Flatched rotation player like, they are
young or at least they're young. Guys are hitting that's,
Interesting to me like is it the time to pivot
a little bit off of some of the VETERANS who
have i don't want to say stagnated because that's, the
wrong word but, Like you Know. Bam is Bam he's
spanned bamed for. A long time he's, extremely good defensively
we know that, Offensively it varies is that the kind way?
To say it like he'll have games where he just
is a complete nonfactor and he'll have games where he Pops.
Off for firdy it's it's very inconsistent. In that regard
so perhaps there would be something interesting in trying to
just make the offense more perimeter, Oriented without, him but
again you're, also losing rebounding you're, Losing interior playmaking you're
losing a ton of fun stuff that he. Does provide you,
this is difficult and they've been star hunting for what
feels like, Four years now like it feels like they
they've tried to get. SOMEONE in there i just don't
know which. Name they're Thinking? Is it zion is it
someone who isn't tough, to build around because. SCIENCE certainly
is i just don't know which, Way they're going and
you're muted, by the way so you're trying.
Speaker 1: To Answer me the zion thing feels more it could
be born from Convenience To where new, orleans is done
and they're just wants out And Imagine if terry rozier
is allowed to be a part, of any trade then
it gets easier for them to. Match the money and
so you could take a yolo. Shot ON him but
i don't think they look at Him or a lamello
or anybody.
Speaker 2: Along those lines.
Speaker 1: And that's the guy that they've just been sort, of
Planning around.
Speaker 2: Right It's, who is like who would that? Playmaker even
be like we talked about the league is coming up
short on, point guards now like, The, real playmakers well.
Speaker 1: They want THEM to have i think teams prefer them to,
Have size too and SO it's, Just I mean kobe
white doesn't do anything for. Me for that I'd Rather
just tyler hero in the five what does he play five?
Games or Whatever, it's, been.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Yeah, it's early yeah.
Speaker 1: So just before, HE'S out again i thought he LOOKED
better than i was expecting coming. Out of that so
if if it's any, of the names if it would cost,
you actual stuff they don't move me, enough, To say
yeah giannis would be, the ONE guy but i don't
Know that he's his playmaking going downhill is better than
anyone else is on the. Heat right, now so yeah
that would make it a huge difference if, you get
him but straddling, THAT middle ground i don't want To
say it's, zion OR bust But I mean benedig maatherin
would make a lot of sense, for this team but
not as not from. A, playmaking, Standpoint NO no so
i don't expect them to do, Anything too huge but
they're just a team to watch because they've been a.
Little frisk year, another Team more the philadelphia. Seventy six
ers can we just point out how wild it is
that we've yet To Reach the cleveland cavaliers By going,
In standing's order, but go ahead what's your Question? FOR the,
cavs i mean what's your Question for the so it's
actually tough to come up with a question, for them
because As far, as i'm concerned when they have no
it's it's unfair to say debt money In Terms of
Joel Embiid, and paul george, but you know it might
as well be like they're they're not exactly long term pieces.
Speaker 2: For this team they're limited in what they can offer you.
On THE floor so i guess my, question is overall
how do they? Go about this like how do they enter?
The trade season with the mindset of building because they
Should BUILD around tyres maxi he's, their, best player obviously
how do they, build around, that you know elephant in
The Room of Paul George and joel, embiid's cap hits if.
THAT MAKES sense i.
Speaker 1: I don't know i have no Answers for any philadelphia seventy.
Six ERS question it's i don't think that they're going.
Speaker 2: TO be buyers i don't think they're.
Speaker 1: Gonna BE looking but i just don't even know how
you go about if you even want to move those
deals and say you don't want to build around or
figure out how to flesh out a. Roster around them
how do you go about getting off one?
Speaker 2: Of? Those contracts right you pay up a, TON of
picks i guess whatever you have at your disposal. Of
moving forward but that's also just putting you at the
major disadvantage in regards To Building. Around max sie this
all just seems very very difficult. And very tricky like
they feel.
Speaker 1: A LITTLE stuck but i guess they're not stuck because
they have a lot of, high upside guys but they
also feel. A, little, Stuck.
Speaker 2: YEAH yeah and i don't even think. IT'S a little
i think. It's a lot they're very stuck here, because
it's what what was this? This year alone is it
one hundred? And six million they're just sitting on with
those two guys.
Speaker 1: That's out there and they got three More Years of
joelle meade's extension.
Speaker 2: Starts, next, season yeah yeah WHICH is, just i, mean
and look they've been so good at finding Guys Like the.
Quinton grimes trade, by the way kudos To the six
ers as, well on this, because you know he picked up.
His qualifying offer there are some teams out there, who, are,
like oh oh, you know what then we're not going
to play you that much because then that's our attempt
to getting you back at a. Discount next year they're
still playing him forty three minutes per game coming, off.
The BENCH primarily so i respect him for, Also, just
acknowledging hey you, you have talent you feel, in need
here let's just let's just make sure you're on the
floor despite the fact, that you know we're giving you
a lot Of Minutes, to Vijay Edgecombe. To tyrese maxi
but they're.
Speaker 1: Playing very small a lot, of TIME though which i would.
Be worried about, in, The playoffs.
Speaker 2: Right kelly oopra, has you know hasn't played, much this
year so he'll add some size, if he, can you
know prove that he's healthy over. A long Stretch trent and.
WATFORD six eight. I think no i like surprised it
took you. THIS long. Time i know i'm surprised it
took you this long. TO mention. It, I know see
i'm trying to. REEL myself in i would also like.
To compliment you you Only Brought up, reached shepherd once
and This Is an. Eastern conference podcast. I'm very impressed. There's,
still time yeah. There's still time but, by.
Speaker 1: The way the other element of all this is there
seven point three million dollars. Into the tax that's a
number to, where it's like look at where they are,
in the standings look at what they have to contend,
with moving forward especially if they Want To pay quenton grimes.
Speaker 2: Beyond this season, Do you look i'm.
Speaker 1: SURE you could i don't know if this is a prudent,
use Of assets but i'm sure a team Would Take
on kelly ubridge junior and he should just about. Get
you there what is he? Making this season he's, in,
The sevens right so that gets? You pretty close or
is he eight which would be even better for, The
SIXERS obviously so i don't know if that would, be
A focus but i wouldn't shock me, if, they go
yeah he's at, eight point four, so and like that's
not a guy you just want.
Speaker 2: To give up but you could Do It with quenton
grimes at.
Speaker 1: Eight point seven but he has the implicit no trade
and his bird rides aren't transfer so unless he's just
resigned to getting the, mid level exception does he even?
Accept A trade and i think if you want to do,
something This season If jowell and beats, on the roster
it's just your big man rotation is. What it is,
you have Him You, have andre drummond you Are Gonna
have dominic barlow playing a little a den bone a.
Filling in minutes can they get like an actual sized
wing on this team Who's Not really Paul george Or.
Kelly brid jr might give you a little bit MORE
defensively Than I like naji marshall would make a lot
of sense.
Speaker 2: FOR this team i just but again it comes back
to what.
Speaker 1: Are you will they have, interesting trade assets not the
least of Which is that clippers twenty twenty eight, first
round pick so they wanted to, go all.
Speaker 2: In but like could They Get? A tarry eason like
is there Something there with houston that they Could like
a Jared McCain for tarry easton deal might be Interesting?
For the sixer sure you don't think that you wouldn't
want the extra Like Looking beyond reed shepherd Long, term
in houston You don't view jared McCain too years left on. His,
rookie scale. No you're, Faking you're. Right you're right the
salary component does. MAKE a difference i do. Agree with
that that's fair in, terms of, just you know in
isolation and in A vacuum is i wouldn't HATE it
or i would hate It, for FOR houston but i
would actually really Hate. It for houston what Is It
about harry easan that has? You, so, pilled oh look
we'll get to him next episode, if like sure. Because
we haven't.
Speaker 1: We're just you can assume he shoots fifty plus percent
and finally from, THREE and.
Speaker 2: Finally i also want him to Be, put, into okay,
fine fuck it It's the, six ers. Anyway they're stuck
like we have, answered the question? Are, They stuck yes,
EASTAN'T to ME i mean. I watched him it's hunting.
College as well, THE transition thing i never he's never
been given THE role that i think He, Should, have
offensively defensively he just. Makes things WORK he's, what i,
call you know. A, DEFENSIVE playmaker offensively i think he's
been put too much into, half court situations which a
low KEY hate because i think he would be such
a ridiculously. Good transition player like if you put him
In my on miami right now as primarily, a play
finisher well you'd have to put a guard alongside him
to actually give, Them the ball but that would be so.
Interesting to me now That Was the. Tar eastern bit
in terms of, THE six er i do have a
question to question for you, that draft, pick you know
or just whatever draft pick they can scrunch up. That
are attractive would rather go out and make a move
that makes them better using those that? Those draft picks
or would you rather use them to get off the embiid,
or you know especially the Pole or The joel. And
bee contract here's. Here's a scenario there have to be other.
Speaker 1: Moving parts involved you Give back the clippers their twenty,
twenty eight pick the twenty, twenty nine Swap Trade them
joel embiid And, You Get.
Speaker 2: Zubats kawhi leonard there have to be other moving. Parts,
in there Yeah and the clippers can.
Speaker 1: LOOK at it i don't know If if the clippers
aren't getting back they were on twenty six and, TWENTY
seven picks i don't know if the appetite. Is for
that but getting back control over those two, first round
picks even if it was you take Back to well
Embiid and it's kauhi Going.
Speaker 2: Out and zubots isn't, INVOLVED or whatever i would, with
that accomplished both the sixers. Would, get better. YEAH that's interesting.
I LIKE that, That's, I mean kawhi i've that he
would be such a ridiculous. And IMMEDIATE upgrade it's i.
KNOW he's older i know he still earns a lot
of money this year, and next year but that contract.
Is not long he he might not play. Every single
game we know for a fact. That he won't but,
when he's, HEALTHY oh my i mean we saw it
in the. Playoffs last year the amount of of ceiling
racing that he would give, them Is, frankly serve yeah.
That's that's INTERESTING with the i wonder Who. Bite the
clippers you're getting back control of your two. First round
picks you have to at least, consider it right because
you could also talk yourself into so you could say
the two years that you don't, have your pick that it's.
Going to okay see, you, could say well maybe we
just catch lightning in A bottle with himbeid and. We're
good Enough the other, by the way The other THING
grant and i have talked about this is what if
You were the clippers and YOU went to, okac and
said we will give you twenty thirty twenty thirty one,
as a swap twenty thirty Two And a Vita Zubots
For Usman, jang kenridge williams and then our two pick next.
Two pick back now THE appeal for, okac, Would be
yeah zubots is going to Be.
Speaker 1: Cheaper than hartenstett you could also Maybe you Trade zubots
to indiana and get another, first round pick but you're
getting those. Out your picks you're getting three right for
two while getting zubotsh value to you either After you
let hartenstein go or just as. Another TRADE asset and,
i would argue, from okc's perspective, oh my god they're
punting on this whatever pick in twenty, twenty Six one
the clippers might just. Turn things around not they're not gonna,
be a contender BUT they're probably i would assume they're
not gonna have an incentive to be bad so long
as they don't.
Speaker 2: Have those picks AND.
Speaker 1: IF you're okc i would also argue integrading just to
use the high end NAMES in aj Dibinsa. OR a, CAMBOOZER,
i know okayc if all teams, could do it but
you know you're gonna be good enough in twenty. Six
twenty seven you might even be willing to bite the
salary bullets through twenty twenty eight if you start having
first round picks that you could either move around for
different assets or you're able to continue filling the pipeline.
Beyond these years you don't have any extra first round
picks aside from your own in thirty thirty, ONE thirty
two i. THINK it's more i think most People would
say i'm insane and the thunder, would SAY no. BUT
i would i would CONSIDER it if i. Were, THE
thunder look i Just got the. CLIPPERS back all i got.
Them back four they're all four of their next. First round,
picks You're welcome, los, angeles great Great and those that
was the team we. Were, talking about Sure well.
Speaker 2: The philly was. Adjacent, to it no here's the wrap Up.
Speaker 1: Question on philly do you think they're more likely to
make a move that improves their team or improves?
Speaker 2: Their tax bill improves? The, Tax, Bill honestly Yeah that's.
Where i'm at we're, on To Finally.
Speaker 1: THE cleveland cavaliers i never would have guessed in a
million zillion trillion years that it would have taken us
this long to, get to them and we were. Going
by record my question for them more, Is, very simple
yeah should?
Speaker 2: We, be concerned, well all right so when people started
freaking out about the way they lost in the playoffs,
THAT last year i thought that was a little bit
dramatic because They'd Only had kenney atkinson. For that year
that was his Debut season in cleveland as, A head,
coach i figured and they just went through a bit
of an injury period at that specific. POINT in time, i,
was like look that's just too many issues like that
will iron itself out come next year. They'll be fine
i'm not Overly concerned because garland obviously has only played
nine games he's been in That lineup that alan. Has played?
In what ten is he up to ten games or,
Whatever It, is jared allen, He's, fifteen fifteen sorry but,
you're you're right he's. Been in out oh he's, missed, ten.
Yeah yeah yeah and also he just hasn't been that
good this year with his, fifth, which yeah yeah it's
been the whole even.
Speaker 1: When he's healthy it feels like they're playing mobile at,
the five MORE which is i don't know if you
consider that ideal or not If.
Speaker 2: You're the calves They're Also, integrating JALEN sison which i
think is something. That's been good he's been, he's been
good but like they're integrating him in a way, where
you know he wasn't really a part of that whole,
Thing last year so like that's a brand new component you're,
adding to it. More wing ORIENTED so am i? Concerned,
Right now no if we're looking at the same picture in,
about a month, The, Answer changes yes i'm, not CONCERNED
either and i would echo a lot of what you
said and just also add their best four guys have
played fifty seven minutes together so, far this year during
which time they have a net rating of, almost THIRTY
one so i know injury stuff might.
Speaker 1: ALWAYS be there i do we think that this is
the New Version. OF darius garland i would say no
if the, concern, would be oh is he just not
going to be, healthy this year which is certainly. ON
the table i guess there's concerns about If You wanted
evan mobley to be the. Number one option it feels
like it takes too much for him to for them
to create advantages for him on offense or for him
to create. His own ADVANTAGES that's something i guess. To
look at but this is still just the Too Much
of evan mobley's basically a role Player takes that i've
seen over the, last couple weeks or just it feels
like a fundamental disconnect.
Speaker 2: From this team and if they were, TO.
Speaker 1: Do anything, i would say could you try and do
something to, Get You know DeAndre, hunter IS fine but
i think you could probably make the case on certain
Nights That if max druce, ever gets healthy he's will
give you just as much on defense while. More on
offense but this team Is Just like sam merril's missed a.
BUNCH of TIME i can't i just can't bring myself
to have a strong. OPINION of that i know we're
doing the Injury thing with, cleveland EVERY year but i
think this team is really good and it kind of
falls in the same Bucket, as the knicks where if
you pick them to come Out, of the east you're
probably not feeling any better. About your pick but should
you be feeling that much worse based off what you've
seen this year and the injuries? They've dealt, with but
look if they could go out because they have first round,
picks to trade, by the way so if they wanted
to get they're not gonna get out of the second
aprin they're twenty. Two million in but if you could
put first round equity on the table And, get herb
jones is that someone that you like is like a
better sort of fifth on this Team Than a max
Druce Or a DeAndre hunter or YOU would Prefer i
think struce is kind of the, standard, bearer there right?
Speaker 2: We would agree or do? You? Think, THAT yeah NO
i think i think So Because, with herb jones. He's
his shooting we've seen it go. Up and down i'm,
not and, THAT so yeah i Guess We're.
Speaker 1: The herb jones thing for me was if you did
want to play mobile more at the five and you
think maybe you're, gonna increasingly close It Feels like herb
jones would make a.
Speaker 2: Lot, OF sense yeah i think that that. Would, be
interesting defensively they'd. BE ridiculously good i wonder if they
need something more off the bench in, terms of like
well not, offensive fire proper because they do Have a
lot when you really, THINK about it i see the
problem is everything we're doing is unless you just think
that they're not going to be healthy at any, POINT
this season i don't think you need to do. Anything
there is they've been Mentioned As a yannis. STARK horse too,
i Don't See Like darius garland allen and your picks,
like maybe that but like maybe the bucks would. BITE
on that i guess the other thing you to do
is would you TRADE this seems i DON'T even know
i could wrap.
Speaker 1: MY head around i have had Would You trade Evan?
Mobley For yannis evan mobley in first Round? Picks for yannis?
Speaker 2: Like straight up the other salary has to, be and
well maybe not. The, other salary yeah what have the other?
The other? Teams because right, or maybe not because it's
ACTUALLY funny because i just wrote like an entire Thing
over AT yahoo where i was making twenty nine trade
suggest Suggestions for for YANNA'S and basically i said None
for the cavaliers JUST because, they're i mean they are
so deep Over the second apron that it's just ridiculously
difficult to find the trade that even makes sense. In
any capacity and plus like they would have to SHED
twenty two i think it's twenty two million On the
second apron just to get the load to that point
where they could aggregate, contracts like right, THIS it's yeah i, forgot,
about that right box are seventeen million from the, first
ape print which means if they take you, need, the
nets yeah you? Need The nets right and and this
this this article was only like a team, for TEAM
trade like i wasn't looping in for HER teams when
i was doing. Twenty nine trades, but but no if
you're asking me Straight Up like evan mopley And stuff
for giannis in a vacuum and we're just Ignoring like the,
Aprons and whatnot i'm, going, gi honest.
Speaker 1: SIR absolutely, am i mean he's, the better player but just,
THE time horizon i just wonder what you if it's
straight up, okay if that but if you're Talking about so,
cleveland can trade they're twenty thirty and twenty thirty two,
first round picks you would be Giving those to evan
and Saying We're on, donovan mitchell's timeline and like we're
just gonna, we're, Going.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah Donovan mitchell and giannisanompo on the same team going. Into, the.
Playoffs yes please both of those guys have proven time
and time again that they raised their level of play.
In the POSTSEASON why wouldn't i be? All? Over, THAT
ah man i DON'T know if i. Could do, it but,
see that's like that's, that's also why, LIKE you know
i always pick up certain PLAYERS like and i find myself,
annoyed with them like guys who don't step up. In
the playoffs that is just like one of. My main
Issues like and I'm Not saying, evan Mobiley Doesn't but
I'M i'm just i think there's certain players who we
just have to look at and go if we know
historically they raise their level of play when. IT matters
most i feel as though they should be prioritized to,
a bigger sense Like that's why, I'm so, low for
Example On It, jared jackson junior like someone, who, JUST
again Yeah i know i'm playing all, the hits today
but Still that's what i'm, getting, back to like you
need to have guys who become ceiling racers and who
answered the playoffs with this, mindset, Of oh yeah i'm
better THAN you. Thought i was all this, is to
say let we do this Question from. M tavars fifteen
do You think the cats Have to trade garland because
of How he and mitchell overlap. On, The, floor, NO
no HONESTLY i Think I think don mitchell, Has BEEN
fantastic but i also kind Of Think like darius garland
does more at his peak to tie everyone else together on,
THE offensive. End I think but i do think this
is and.
Speaker 1: This isn't spicy we're kind of in the final year
of just we're not unless they, win at all like
the two bigs and two small guards that will be
busted up this summer if they, fall short again. And
that's fair my final stands To them is i'm not
concerned if they were gonna. MAKE a move i might
just be looking to get someone who can play the
four during those mobili minutes when he is, at the
five and they might look they, Have those guys but
if they were looking, For An upgrade herb jones would.
Be the Dream but justin champagne could work that They
Could fit naji marshall into. Their salary structure we're just playing.
The hits again our next team more in the Standings Is.
Your atlanta hawks what is your?
Speaker 2: QUESTION for them i have been thinking SO hard because
i was kind of counting IT out that i, would have,
to you know get a question. Out of that i'm,
struggling FINDING one but i think maybe. There Is something
and i'm not sure it's trade oriented, in that regard
but it's worth keeping. Your eye, On so soccer richet
is having a what's THE kind word, A soso season.
A meh season he's not hitting from the outside from
someone who's six,' nine six.' ten he's barely rebounding everything
seems like. It's just? A sophomore? Slump? Is it is
it like are we looking at someone who we have
this in these inflated expectations for because he was the,
first pick of a draft fully ignoring that that specific draft.
Was all types of, Horseshit, SO that's my question.
Speaker 1: Like i guess it's tough for me to say that
WE need to recalibrate when i don't think anyone pegged him, as,
A star COMING out.
Speaker 2: RIGHT but, this i mean i, mean YOU know he's
starting but i don't, even want, to call him you
know having starter starting, player, INFLUENCE At, this point right
i so but what is the what is the question
here is just do you want them? To? Sell? High
on him? Selling basically what's to do that's my Question
just with, Him because i'm actually like i'm impressed that,
he hasn't PLAYED a lot but, when kp has been
there he's been putting. Up almost twenty, a game By
The Way Hello ni quille alex santo walker averaging. Almost twenty.
One per game that's wonderful like there are a, lot
Of Great, Stuff happening Like Jalen, johnson hlear Lcrowd ALL
star probably an all nba guy if you finished, the
year out this Way there's just so much, Like Elsewhere
on the roster trey young. Has only played five games
it's gonna be interesting to see if he can like
buy in into the same ankle as everyone. Else, WHEN
he comes back like i kind of low Y liked
this team because i don't think, associate them with you.
Know finals expectations or anything we're just kind of intrigued to,
see can they move forward can they find a way
to like? Make All The pieces fit and resa shay
was one of, Those pieces Or presume pieces and what
i'm really asking is should we still? Consider him one
of Those should we just because I'm open to the
idea dan that this, is just a sophomore slump that.
This COULD just, Mean NOTHING and i hope i'm, I
HOPE that's the case but i the little voice in
the back of my, HEAD is kind. Of saying i
don't know. I'm. Not sure about that.
Speaker 1: Man if they Coming To that verdict when trey, young
HAS played so, little because i think specifically When You
look at what reesa shay can give you inside the
arc with his, CAUGHT LIKE type of games i i
think that he might Be More dependent on what tray
young does As A playmaker than what jalen johnson might.
Be doing as a, playmaker But To your point, if jalen,
johnson is gonna you know be like eating This Crazy
transition attack like reese. Cha's supposed to thrive there i've
given a lot of thought to like does The Spacing
get wonky and Reese Chay's minutes because of dyson daniels
being on The Floor. And EVEN a Jalen johnson so
i think trey. Is ALL sorts of important but i
think it's. PROBABLY fair to be concerned i just don't
it'd be different if we viewed him in like even
if we viewed him just To go back to the
cavs because we, were just talking about them we Thought
That he, was at darius, Garland's LEVEL an all. STAR
all nba type player i don't think anyone. Had him
build As that even, when the hawks took him he
was the consonant feels like.
Speaker 2: The plug and.
Speaker 1: Play Fit type of, GUY and atlanta to me i
think needs to address more wholesale questions before they Get Into. Their,
concern for reesa's shay now is it easier to move
him if You were going in on yannis to where
maybe over the summer you Mighty Said we're not including
reesa sae if we go, in for free honest now
because you probably Don't Want to, give u jalen johnson
either even though those two. WOULD be a, weird fit
i don't, know it's this. Is like this, is TOUGH
it's year two so i would. Throw it Out the
window and the Hawks Just. With, not having tray young
Now if you think the hawks is Ultimately Vision, does
not include trey young now we're. HAVING another type of
discussion i just don't resiche is so low on my
list of PRIORITIES for this team because i feel like
they have more of a wholesale question, standing them, in
the face which is do you think that they're actually better?
OFF and buy better off, i mean not hitting restart
but do you think that they're Just A?
Speaker 2: Better, TEAM without TRAY young WELL i mean I just
i don't feel i, Have, enough data for that like,
because How would All, right so nikola accent walker, just
to use? An, example he's blown Up right is that
because trey hasn't been there or would he actually just
have been able to Do The same, thing alongside tray
for me it's always been like the collective buy in
for everyone and also like. The, Finding The right Fit
Nikila alexander walker and dyson daniels seem to me to
be more, appropriate fits, alongside trade, Than For example you
know deontay, Murray WHEN they tried that so i would
Like to see, him be trey that is being given
the chance of playing with this particular You know ensemble
cast before i'm ready to once, and for all say
oh this. TEEM is better without him I think the
only conclusion i'm Ready To make is that Jalen Johnson.
Is better than trey young that IS the only conclusion
that i would like fully. COMMITTED to at this point
i still.
Speaker 1: Have, a Tough time getting there but i'm just. Running
out Of Reasons too like. IT'S jalen johnson's been Spectacular
i still think the hawks are whether He's the number one,
or trey's the number one they've kind of proven that
they will Be.
Speaker 2: Decided to be? Mid uh what is this let's SAY
that this is. What i find, More fascinating in all
Likelihood They're.
Speaker 1: Not gonna move trey young They're, Not gonna trade for
Giannis they're not gonna move what is this?
Speaker 2: Team's biggest? Need to you as currently that, was my question? For,
Them their biggest need, well i'm, at point guard because Again, everything,
Was tailed around trey right like someone who can come in.
And just make the Passage we can talk about trey
being a bad defender and taking really weird shots until,
we're blue in the face but we can't ignore the fact.
That his playmaking is elite someone who can just come in,
and make the right passes who, can get the transition going.
Who can get everyone involved. That is still a NEED
that is something THAT i Still miss and i Realize
I'm saying that as delon johnson is doing a perfectly,
fine job handling that responsibility but, when push comes to
shove you're gonna need more guys to, be able to
do that especially. In the potential playoff context, so point
guard play Playmaking What about like? A, trey jones for.
Them YEAH that'd BE fun like i wouldn't i wouldn't
hate someone who's like at a lower what's the, word
quality of, point guard who comes in who doesn't, really
cost you that much who, is underrated a little bit
but we'll just like FIND his way through. The, dna
of the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good show do you think We have
this from hind underscore ninety tray for ad What?
Speaker 2: DOES that solve for atlanta I Don't love the. Ad,
JALEN johnson front, court, no. I mean yeah no yeah
i have NOTHING to say other than i agree that. Would.
Be a weird fit yes do you?
Speaker 1: Think THAT there's ANY way and i honestly i think This,
will BE blamed on trey but i think It's Also a.
Matter of jalen johnson too is there any way for
those two to bring out to? Operate at their peaks
together because we've seen other co stars who are great
on the. Ball WORK off each other but i Think
what we've seen, from trey just thus far the shortcomings
or at least looking at the time he, spent away
from the ball. The sample size isn't there?
Speaker 2: Is it? A willingness thing is it can he just?
NOT be used.
Speaker 1: That way i Don't Know, AND then with jalen johnson
i just Think you have too many there's a lot
of the play finishing stuff and quick decisions he can
make when, He's AWAY from the ball but i don't
know if he's even a, good, enough shooter to say
well if you take the ball OUT of his hands
for x amount of possessions x percentage of possessions per game,
THAT he's, on the, floor i. SAY all this he's
shooting i want forty plus percent from three. On four
attempts per game under five per thirty six minutes is
nothing for someone who is going to. Play it In
his position and so i'm just is IT similar, TO
the concerns.
Speaker 2: I have I Guess are, less about trey.
Speaker 1: Young Singularly Although if you believe jalen johnson's just, Better
and he's better defensively so that's the easier the. Positional,
like the positional Size sure It's similar to palo and
franz to where you have to ask yourself can they
bring out? The best in one another AND what's interesting
Is that I think because palo and franz can be
interchangeable at both ends, and a lot of respects you feel.
MORE confident about those two i just want, to See More.
OF it EVEN jalen johnson i think i caught. SHIT
from a few people i might have. Said HE was injury,
PRONE if i said that i. Apologize with misuse of
Phrasing We just haven't seen jalen johnson do this for
an entire season of where he was. One in a
big role because you look at like how little he
was playing to open UP, his time in the nba
and in the past two seasons we've just seen like
his availability. Cut Short for whatever, reason so i'm Not Saying.
Speaker 2: So you hate jalen johnson. Is what we can conclude.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying We've We've Yet To see all star
jalen johnson play in more than fifty.
Speaker 2: Five fifty SIX games entire. THAT'S all i get it i.
THINK that's perfectly REASONABLE skepticism i get, that i disagree
with It but that's also because i'm leaning into the optimism.
Of it all with him but that doesn't mean that
what you lay out here Is not something that the
hawks in the front offic shouldn't have in the back,
of their minds, as well because you're right if you
can't find someone to probably build around him as well
in terms of, like you have to consider like where
does he come short in terms of his skill set
and what type of point guards. Can't, he be paired
with yeah it's that's going. TO be a Difficult process
I agree that trey, and jalen, are not necessarily you know,
The most obvious compatible pairing so then it becomes a
Question of finding out who it's Also Just.
Speaker 1: This version of jalen johnson, you, look at and say?
Well can he be competitive because you want to have?
The ball IN his hand so there i would would
you say that this is a, good PROBLEM that they
have though i know a lot of people Are painting
it negative and i'm kind OF looking at it, as
i have some concerns but this is like a. REALLY
GOOD problem to have i i agree our Next Team.
MORE is, The milwaukee bucks i Look i've tried to
stay we'll dig into, maybe SOME less cliche stuff but
i think the question is What?
Speaker 2: Is going on with giannis?
Speaker 1: Like how does this end and if, you're not gonna
move him? Are you selling him now especially that He's
dealing with the cav is this a gap year situation
or if you're, actively trying to get better what is
it this team needs around him? To be, a Viable threat,
and look to jannis's credit they're plus eight point five
per one hundred possessions. When he's, on the court the
offense It's Actually Been okay when kevin, porter junior's played
without him but.
Speaker 2: THAT sample is so small kpj.
Speaker 1: LOOKS good SINCE coming back i Think i lean more
towards they need to get someone else who can generate
shots if you want to Continue. BUILDING this thing with,
giannis i just don't know given not the state of,
the rumor mill right now but how it's. Been since
this Past, OFFSEASON if you're the bucks i don't know
how you talk yourself into anything other than we need
to if you. Want to keep you honest since can
we sell. You on a gap year. We'll get a
high pick it'll either Be, our own of the pelicans
and then we can revisit trade scenarios over the offseason
or just recalibrate.
Speaker 2: Our. DIRECTION over, the offseason yeah i mean they don't
have any more bullets slift in the chamber other. Than
that than just waiting. That is what they've done they've
they've exhausted everything In order to they have But they
have a first they.
Speaker 1: COULD trade first round equity, i, don't think they should.
Speaker 2: Right but that, was, SOMETHING that opened up right i
mean that. Wasn't, something that was available no they couldn't trade.
Twenty thirty two last year they, Could trade, It in right,
yeah exactly so like yes new pick will be opened
up for. It's look at that roster look that it's
that it's a direct result of them making these short
term decisions over. And over and over, again AFTER winning,
The championship like i know box fans are going, to,
come in, and say well context, matters and. Like, this
scenario this scenario look at, the end of the day
this franchise made. A bunch, of bad decisions it happens
it has like? What? Whoa what what is What are
you faulting the? Bucks, For, doing exactly that well, SO
for first and foremost i don't think even, IF he
was somewhat Limited I don't Think Trading, chris middleton, for
kyle kuzma generally speaking was a pretty. GOOD idea also
fair good i also don't think it's a smart Idea
if you do have giannis, in, your possession to say
hey let's create five years of having dead cap space
Because Of, waving and stretching, DAMIAN lillard, BECAUSE you know i,
understand I understood the PREDICAMENT though i'm not saying i
don't understand the predicament because you know he was injured
that that leaves you. In a really tough spot but
instead of paying for that for one year where you were,
going to be without him you're now going to pay
having five years where what is a twenty? Three million
every single year, it's just overall to me this hasn't
been a roster that Was fitting. Of someone of gianni's
stature like there's him and we're not even. Sure, who's
the second best Well This, year we've, seen ryan rawlins
you know EVOLVE to the Point where i consider him,
i'm the, second best player, which also by the way
when you're then going out and spending One Hundred plus
millions on mile turner and he's not immediately. THE next
BEST player issues i just i never liked the. ROSTER
construction post championship whatsoever i felt They, came and they Hired.
DOC they hired dartin ham's i consider this. TEAM an
absolute shit. SHOW i don't trust them i don't trust
their capability of making trades that makes them, better for
the long term that makes them also By default more attractive.
FOR giannis to stay put i just so You Were against,
the initial, damian LILLARD trade then no so i know
that that was exhausting a lot OF that and that's
why i mentioned afterwards the predicament they found THEMSELVES in
after that injury I fully understand that the dame thing
was different to me because they found someone Who was
at least approaching giannis's level. At, That point In time
right so then i'm. JUST curious as. TO why i
don't know i think the criticism for this.
Speaker 1: Team Is then being, OVERSTATED the, DAC eyre is i mean,
i don't want to like and they, clearly they've maybe
they've honestly, the biggest criticism could be have they Cow
toed too much to janice's whims If it's, not just
even yiannis's Allegiance but the whims of he's reevaluating.
Speaker 2: His future every five seconds it feels like, my Counter.
Would just be it's yannis how Long is it they
had kareem and, then fifty sixty, years later Whatever.
Speaker 1: It was they get yannest that's probably what's. GONNA happen
again THIS year i actually. Think i give them CREDIT
the one move that, I looked at and like i
just thought it, WAS awful in real Time I, believe
was The Kyle kuzma. LIKE the chris middleton, Stuff i
Totally get. That and the dame thing it's, easy to
look at, now the WAVE and stretch not that i
guess there were some people that were on the fence About.
THE initial arrival of dame i appreciated we all thought
that's what they needed when they made like that's what.
THEIR offense could have needed i think the only way
that you could really fall this front office is one
you could look at and say. They haven't gotten enough
traction maybe out of like the draft picks, they've been able.
To use, that would be there's that but it's also
just then they should have Made the decision to move
jannis sooner or been more stubborn in some of. Their
principles with team building. They, should have done that true
you could say, they should have done that but You
are kind of discounting giannis is a once in a
generation talent and if, These, are, the steps that yeah
again the front office is there because you don't want
to Make The excuse That Like lebron james and anthony
Davis Had control of THE russell westbrook, trade in la
way back when the front office is there because they,
Need to run an interference they need. To KEEP expectations
in check but i also when it comes to someone,
who's actively looking.
Speaker 2: To leave if they did What THEY could to keep
janni I have under contract. WHO i have under contract
i AM not obligated as an nba franchise to TRADE
my star player if i have him on under contract
for a, COUPLE of years at least i, UNDERSTAND if
he is like i want, To get out of here
i'm going to make. It a mess for you but if,
you believe in your vision if you believe you can
go out there, and actually make some prudent smart moves
just by having a spread, OF patience and doing so
i will also have to, believe that, my own superstar,
You know, will realize eventually oh shit they ACTUALLY brought
in guys. Who I can play with perhaps i was.
Just A little too impatient now i'm. Happy again Because
we're winning thank you bucks. For doing the right thing it's.
Just the thing you said it. Just reacting on a whim.
THAT'S an issue. For me i WOULDN'T okay maybe that's why.
I would also get fired i would never. Run an
organization that way if MY star player was and i
had him on a contract for at least two or three, years,
AND he was like no i don't know IF this
is the direction. I want to go in, i'm just
like tough shit let me prove. To YOU that you're wrong.
Speaker 1: And i guess THAT'S where WE differ is i would i,
would take THAT stance personally at least I would like
to think i would have the. Goal to take, that
stance the Reality, is especially with the yannis even him
saft launching his trade demand over the past however many
months if you, date back to the offseason has been
problematic enough if you're GONNA turn him into a i
don't think he'd, ever quit on the team, but just
the mal content. It's THAT'S tough TO do and. I
think i Don't know i. Just don't they've made missteps
i'm not trying to say they were perfect and they.
Speaker 2: HANDLED all of this.
Speaker 1: Ideally i just feel like the hand, they've like. THEY'VE
made them they've acted i think the way that you
Would want a team with jannis to act is.
Speaker 2: That they've never held Back would Like. Look at dame
In portland we criticized the blazers a lot for half
measure after. Half Measure, after half measure the, bucks for
the most Part seem like they've made they've, sometimes been
the wrong measures but they've tried to, make THE full
TILT measures and i guess i give them more credit
for That to end on the it's it All, STARTS
and ENDS with yannis i don't i think now it
would be irresponsible for them to make a move to
try and upgrade the roster while giving.
Speaker 1: Up First round equity any ryan robins if they wanted
to move. HIM when he's trade eligible i think at
this point it has to. Be one of two things is, they,
Sit there and say hey gyanis this is going. To
be a gap year we'll get a high draft pick
and then we will reevaluate over. The summer our trade
options with that draft pick, plus two more opening up
we'd be able to trade up, to three first round
picks or maybe it's two first round picks and we're,
developing this player we draft or they just need. To
look at moving him there's no like and we all
know how To with all the pushback, i've provided to
you more we.
Speaker 2: All know how this.
Speaker 1: Ends giannis is getting traded it's just are they gonna
be able to prolong. It a little bit longer is it,
gonna happen by the deadline or is it, gonna happen
over the offseason or does it happen in. THE middle
of next, season i honestly don't know because of the way.
THIS saga has played out i. Do think there's something
too there is value At this point as the bucks
to where you could say we are, ripping off the
band aid Is that it feels like giannis has been pushing. Them,
to make the decision anyway this is the classic case
of neither side wants to. Break up with the others
you've probably Reached, the POINT of the bucks but i
would understand it if you said they wouldn't Just because.
Speaker 2: Of how anomalous giannics is is a player And. An
icon to the french. And they won a championship at
the end of the day they. WANTED they, won a
title i mean we can't sit here and say that
in any way this was. A failed experiment or whatever.
THEY won a freaking.
Speaker 1: Championship i this is poetic that you get This team
because it's. Your chicago you f you poetic Is The, word,
more your.
Speaker 2: Chicago bulls right thank you what to do with all
the expiring contracts is going, to be my question here
because they. Have A Ton, Of Them, vouch sack collins
kevin Herder And, And, see So Kobe white IODUSUMU and
javon carter can i Just this. IS not REALLY chicago
oriented i just i want to bitch about this. Again
because it annoys me the one and. Forty percent extension limit,
rule it just it look it hits my ass in
all the wrong places. Because you do something good, you
get a guy back two Guys Here and assume, one
kobe white by negotiating and you're getting guys back, at,
a price point. That yes is team friendly that is
what a team is supposed to do when, you're negotiating
with free agents and then you're penalized for not even
being able to extend them because of that extension, limit
when they're. Your guys you, drafted them even to me
that is. Just such a ridiculous rule where the bulls,
here in this particular instance they are getting screwed over
by doing what, they're supposed to be doing getting. A
good deal for themselves I Don't think this benefits. KOBE
white or iodosum either i don't think it Benefits the
Team because obviously kobe and io they would love, to
be on you know longer term deals so they don't have.
To risk injuries and whatnot so it's just what kind
Underscore Ninety and the. CHAT patrick. Williams should stay i
don't This is kind of.
Speaker 1: Like johannes's inquired about the bulls and they weren't Interested
Type rumors like if patrick Williams Is gonna stay because patrick,
Williams can't, be.
Speaker 2: Moved right so yeah. That was just my, aside but
all the honestly if, If, they had competent leadership dan
they'd be interested because they, have so many expiring contracts
they have draft they. Have their own draft picks like
if you had a really good managerial team and an
ownership who actually UNDERSTOOD, the concept of a. Cba this
would be intriguing the amount of possibilities That are open
for the bulls could be QUITE intoxicating, to me, if
i was you. Know, an adequate general manager.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's they're probably more likely to extend all of
these firing contracts than they are. To trade any, of
THEM and BY that Obviously I know i own. Kobe
white won't Sign, Anything they'll Probably Extend vouch They'll Extend.
Speaker 2: Kevin herder?
Speaker 1: And zach collins why not this is we know what
they should do because, since starting six to one, they're
twenty ninth on, offense twenty fourth on defense a whopping
Three And, Thirteen.
Speaker 2: Vouch. Even trey, jones modess buzzellis of course they've all cooled.
Off in a big way they should.
Speaker 1: Be trading these guys for what, value they can get
back and if long, term money is accompany, it a
companied with that hopefully you've.
Speaker 2: Gotten draft compensation for it And. This applies to the
bulls might be, getting screwed in these, things but in
some ways, because they're not good enough it's almost better
for Them That they can't pay kobe, white the max
right now because they probably would and that's not going
to set them up to. Be. In a, Good, situation
correct also correct yes they. Should be looking to move.
There's nobody on this roster.
Speaker 1: I'm not looking To Move you could say modess, buzzellis
deserves to be untouchable but we might have gotten ahead
of our, skis with him last year and at the
start of this Year we need to say i'm not,
looking to actively trade him but he's the Closest You.
Have him or josh giddey i'm sure they View him
as just and he's been one of their more consistent
players this, year on the offensive end so you have.
To say that for him they should be, looking, to
trade everybody though basically, And they WON'T do that.
Speaker 2: And that's, i find them you're.
Speaker 1: RIGHT they could be interesting i find them wholly unstimulating
to talk about because we know that they're gonna do
nothing and just to send deeper Into the eleventh circle
of hell or. WHATEVER they're, in right now i, agree
should we move on which would mean that our next
team will. A little spicier team, here This Team is.
Interesting the charlotte HORNETS more the question is i kind
of want to know how they're, gonna operate at The Deadline,
BECAUSE historically under jeff peter i say historically it's. Only
been a few seasons, they've just taken, on salaries, they've
TRADED guys gotten picks and i think they'll operate, in
the same vein again except you Don't Necessarily, have aside
FROM colin sexton Just Because i don't think ailes bridges really.
Speaker 2: HAS any trade value whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they have like, the pieces TO
do that and so i, find myself kind, of wondering are,
we ever he's injured again gonna get To see What
Like A LaMelo Ball brandon miller conka nipple corps could
look like over. An extended period of time is there
Something to the? Reports that LaMelo was unhappy Was that
more about.
Speaker 2: The hornets trying to soft launch? Their own sort.
Speaker 1: Of trade, you'll GAUGE for LaMelo himself because i would
argue if any party in this is gonna be more
frustrated than, the other with The situation it should Be.
CHARLOTTE more so than LaMelo, i still believe in LaMelo
but we're just getting to a point when you look
at the Sample Of just him and brandon miller very
low over, the past two plus Seasons And now you're.
THROWING conk nipple in there i don't know what. To
make of this team and so my question about their
trade deadline direction is do you think it's gonna mirror
more of, the level headed conservative, approach smart to be
sure savvy that They've Take make it under jeff peterson
or Do YOU see the potential and i know we're talking,
about just one player here for them, to do something,
more seismic, spicier THIS season.
Speaker 2: They, should so, I hope, so because.
Speaker 1: Well i'm sorry What Are you getting for LaMelo ball
that you're saying you should or you at the point
where As well just were it's zion level just?
Speaker 2: Trade, THEM for expiring contracts well i Mean that is
not something i'm, privy to at this point because that
depends on like the beauty that is in the eye
of the beholder at. The, End, of THE day right
so LIKE i, was running an nba team they would
get you would probably, give Up something a. Lot, give
cooper flag more yeah you like you Would Have, A Team,
of reached shepherd LaMelo ball no one else and you'd
just say go two. On Five Every single, game jabari
smith junior too just to. Prove a, point as? Well?
All right, THANK you, YEAH uh NO i look i
honestly i don't care, whether they get not. CARE that's
the wrong phrasing i don't know whether they can get
something more Than. Expiring contracts out of, Lametal but At
this point i'm just. I'm not Closing the door. That's
how i'll phrase it i'm not closing. The door on
any offer. I'm taking everything under consideration i'm bringing it
back to The rest of my team i'm having, meetings
Upon meetings, upon meetings and i'm saying what are? We
going to do here are we willing to just cut
bait on this guy who's, like the former Rookifty Year? Who's,
the former all? Star this this and that are we just?
Fed up at this point and, if, the room, is
like yeah we are then. Go AHEAD and do it, i'll,
I WON'T blame you certainly.
Speaker 1: I'm i think they, get More than expiring contractor but
i'm just. Not trading him, right now. I'm holding Out remaining,
patient and if i'm them it's just THEY have a
lot Of I mean even t jon salon starting.
Speaker 2: To play A Little, better you Have Brandon.
Speaker 1: MILLER you have conkin Nipple i Still really like lee
mcne you've Gotten A lot MORE to ryan kulkbrenner.
Speaker 2: Than i Would Have, predicted Same With.
Speaker 1: SEON james like mussa diabate i think for them it
just needs to be and they they've done.
Speaker 2: A good job.
Speaker 1: Of this buy and large i'm looking at repeating my
past two or three trade.
Speaker 2: Deadlines or whatever it's been what is the?
Speaker 1: Money we could send out maybe we're taking back a
less desirable contract and it's attached To. Draft compensation to
revisit boston It's If. We sent them collin sexton Would They? Attach?
Speaker 2: Anything to anthony simons yeah they. Were smart the. DRAFT
TOO they, drafted well i i look if they get
any Sort of draft equity for lamental and they, KEEP
their current trend going i think. They were three or
four are you. COMPLETELY out on the idea i know
this takes a level.
Speaker 1: Of patients that, seems ubsecene at this point they're headed,
for top lottery odds again, And So, it's Just, okay
brendon miller Konk nipple another high pick LaMelo or at
that point are you getting to this is just too,
many cooks in the kitchen of which were being pulled.
In too MANY different directions well that's i mean. Circle
jerk motion, over here yeah you were.
Speaker 2: And you enjoyed it too look it's. The, injury thing
AS well LIKE even if i were i was willing,
TO give. THIS a go i can't i can't go
Into a season and trust LaMelo will play more than what.
TWENTY five for forty. Games i, can't trust that he's
like let me just let. Me just look at, it
so thirty, six games twenty. Two games FORTY seven, Games,
and then i think. OKAY that's that's just. OBSCENE i
can't trust that i CAN'T and and and if, I
go into a season i have. TO plan for. EIGHTY
two i have to i. CAN'T plan for forty one i.
CAN'T plan for thirty five i have. TO plan. FOR
eighty two i can't i. Can't do that with him
and he's taking up a pretty, substantial amount of. You
Know my cap, space if, i'm the hornet it's like what,
is that twenty eighty five twenty? Four and a half. Percent,
twenty four twenty five yeah.
Speaker 1: He's on the fun unless you think that he needs. To,
be waived, in stretched. No It's oh it's not i'm
and also it's just How do you Plan around let's use.
CONK nipple as the example i think, it's a that's
not malpractice but like run more Pick, and rolls with
conk niple trying. To run the, entire offense at this
point he's, at like two per Game, and you Have Sext,
in you Have.
Speaker 2: Trey mann you have LaMelo you.
Speaker 1: Need TO dilute that somehow Now i would gravitate towards
LaMelo might take care of, it himself by missing time
and You. COULD look AT moving sexton i think i do.
Think there's something to it gets complicated to start developing
all these hiring youngsters if the guy around which you've
so far structured your franchise can't be. Relied UPON to
playing games and i Don't think this is, a LaMelo
doesn't want TO playersn't Taking care Of i think charlotte
and LaMelo seem like they have actually tried everything and.
IT'S just not working out i don't know, what, The
answer is here though. THAT'S why it's a question i
THINK the one definitive thing i would say is to me,
FROM a franchise value perspective i don't think it makes.
Sense to move him now the offers, you're getting at
this moment even if he doesn't play, another game for
the season or, IF he doesn't play well i don't
think those are just going.
Speaker 2: To dissipate or get.
Speaker 1: Materially WORSE over the summer and i would like to see,
the rest of this season or. At least post trade
deadline let's even if he runs into the rookie wall
or He's, Not, As efficient like conkin nipple let's really?
Speaker 2: See what he can do is the stuff they basically.
Speaker 1: Run the offense through him it feels like without him
actually being on the ball as. Much as He could
be and so i'd like to just see more of.
That as we move forward our next Team Up. More
are your brooklyn nets?
Speaker 2: What's, your question for them so how do you survive
going into a first round where, you have five draft
picks five first round picks and not getting more out
of it than? What, we've seen right now basically can
they survive whiffing on an entire draft? WHERE they have
five picks I know you're, Gonna Put, You're Gonna say
drank powell drake powell's Come Join my Team Alongside reached
Shepherd And. Labelo ball, And. JABARI smith That's Cool dan.
I like drake, powell too i see it but like
to the point where it was so many? Picks? AND
who they, on, WHO i just. Okay, okay i hear
you like, whift is a big word but like out
of that grouping is does anyone stand out to, you,
as a, future star which after all is the point
of going into a, draft and going on guy, or?
Are you. THINKING process Process Process.
Speaker 1: One i think danny wolf. Is starting to show signs
and this is COMING as someone who Is I was.
Not a, Danny Wolf, guy Between Him, DRAKE powell and
jegor joeman i think you've gotten, three guys who were
intrigued and certainly two where were they supposed to get a?
Speaker 2: Star with where they drafted. OH would have traded up
i would. Have tried to trade.
Speaker 1: Up i'm sure they did you'd think things out, There
AND did absolutely nothing, so.
Speaker 2: I might be misremembering but i do think we heard
something or read something about them preferring to optimize the amount,
of first round draft picks maybe like you're going out
trades because they wanted to have more. GUYS on that
salary STRUCTURE i just do believe i read something along.
Those lines, during The DRAFT who.
Speaker 1: Okay but i'm i would need to know the trade
opportunity they passed on right, to say that, they missed and.
Speaker 2: That's. Fair that is. Fair Overall i'm just, underwhelmed Maybe
i'm just whelmed if i'm, BEING in the positive light
i just wonder. WHERE they go from here i wonder
what's the, jumping off point or like what are they
going into the? Next season high off on are they
looking at this? Group, of rupeep this. SUMMER yeah WHICH is,
fair i just i look this rebuilding process. Is, GOING
to take time absolutely i did think that there would
be more pisas in this draft. Class For them at least.
SO i'm just wondering overall i don't even know. How
to phrase the Question it's just are they are they
still as optimistic about the future as? They were before the.
DRAFT is, PROBABLY my question.
Speaker 1: I mean i don't know why they should BE more
pessimistic just because i think You Look at it like,
danny wolf is AN example just someone that i. Wasn't
high on coming in he's the three point shot falling
at the moment over forty four.
Speaker 2: Percent. Through his last time yep seems even see him
like some kind of hook shot from himybe you wish
he finishes at the?
Speaker 1: Basket, A, Little Bit, Better sure jager, Joe man i've.
Actually been he's been more he HAS more. Functional flexibility
than I anticipated you Know How. I feel about drake
powell i think that that dude is going to BE
a good. Three and d plus guy what more did
you in a draft class?
Speaker 2: That many. Agree like it.
Speaker 1: Was good that Was good but where like i'm just
where You're mad That They.
Speaker 2: TOOK sarah for. Nolan, trey i, JUST can't yeah so
no i. Can't list every, single NAME but, but again
like i thought at every single turn, THAT they had
to pick i would have gone in like a plethora
of different, Directions AT every single, Turn, And i was
like okay, i'm keeping an open mind like there could.
BE something really Good Here, i will say drake powell
given that he's, How he's looked right now i'm open
to the idea that that is a. VERY good like, Draft,
SLOT i don't know DAN i just overall when, I watched.
This team play i'm struggling i'm really struggling to. See
like the, The upside you're way bitter like you're way
bigger off an OPTIMIST on. This TEAM than i am
AND i appreciate that because i got it's it's looking like,
it's such A long, process.
Speaker 1: Which is i mean yeah my response that would, just,
kind of, be like no no. Shit it's a long
process look at the, start they, WERE coming from so
right i find this more of.
Speaker 2: An insuring question for them how are they? Gonna use
their cap space they've got fifteen point three million. Leading
into the trade deadline i'm assuming they're. GONNA facilitate A
FEW moves i just i'm i do you think it's
gonna end up being something that's bigger or gonna be?
Broken up?
Speaker 1: Into MULTIPLE legs was what and i. Guess they could
do it they could do both because. They have salaries
to move who is. The this is what's interesting who's
the most likely player to. BE traded on this, team.
Speaker 2: I think they're considered like, IF there's interest for it
i wouldn't be surprised if they're very Keen On Double
dipping with michael porter, junior by getting you know getting
a draft pick for taking him on and then now
because he's playing, the way that he is getting a
draft pick for. Him, specifically in a trade, now given
his salary structure that's probably not the cleanest trade to make.
Because HE'S earning that much so i find that more likely,
to be. An, Offseason, thing if anything so yeah to
answer your specific question of how, THEY'RE gonna split it
up i would imagine that they would be willing to go,
into most two different directions like if they can get
assets in some capacity of, spreading the of you know
spreading up the cap space into two bits. And. ABSORB
something from there cool.
Speaker 1: I think that might be i feel, like that's WHAT
they'll do just because i don't know what's the, team
that's coming in with like the one like bit like
we Need, to dump up maybe boston and like we're
gonna compensate you to soak up twelve. Plus MILLION dollars
in salary and i also don't know what's the bad contract,
out there that a team Because.
Speaker 2: You could Point to Paul. George or joelle and bee can?
Speaker 1: They work out Something, there like With The sixers Do
Something Paul. George for michael porter junior what Are they
attaching to that you're only really Saving a year right
because Porter Has one more and paul george. Has TWO
after this one so i don't know what the level,
of COMPENSATION would be there but i agree with you
that it'll probably end up being. Something, on The Smaller
end yeah the, indiana PACERS are my team and i have.
Speaker 2: Two full question for them let's.
Speaker 1: Start with the cliche one do they have To Render
a verdict on benedic? Mathern before this trade deadline knowing
that he's, headed into restrict re agency or do you
THINK because of, how the rfa market is they don't
have to worry about him standing out this year when
it comes to grappling, with his Next price point.
Speaker 2: He's again we're coming back to this thing we Talked
About in. Regards to jason satum earlier we don't know
how anyone is going, To Look Post you know Achilles Tear.
In terms of tyrese Haliburton Here's. A guy in benedict,
matherin he's not a playmaker but damn well know. Rather
that he. Can score we know this we know he
can get, to the free throw line, we know he
can rebound we know that there's a certain baseline you
can expect out. Of HIM every single night do i
lean into that and go at least we have some sort,
of knowledge about this player and that makes it worth
it for us to go, into unrestricted free or sorry
restricted free agency and. Try to GET him back or
do i go because he's a. Bit of a known
commodity let him go out to the TRADE market and see.
Whatever I can squeeze out but i would ALSO be
fearful that if I do move him and halle. Is
coming back next year i'm Looking at a situation where
i'm putting him in such a rough spot because he's
coming off, and He kill his tier and, I'm, probably,
gonna ask him Hey No we. Don't have benic mathine
anymore can you come?
Speaker 3: In?
Speaker 2: Immediately in? Average. Thirty PLEASE thank you uh it's i
would like that buffer of having a guy who can
just go in and Get you a bucket as hallie like,
slowly GETS back INTO.
Speaker 1: Form which i think i PROBABLY agree with you because
i don't know what the what's the team that's coming
in and Bowling You over, WITH a benedic mathern offer
i would probably just WAIT.
Speaker 2: It out until the rfa.
Speaker 1: My more intriguing question for them would be should they
be in the market to get a center or big
that they think can be on the roster this past
season or are you not doing anything to plan around
the future until one you know where your Draft pick,
Is to what haliburton is because if You're waiting to
see what, haliburton is gonna look like you're not making
any big time decisions until.
Speaker 2: The, middle, OF next, year YEAH right i mean if
I win the Lottery And i'm looking, At darren peterson
for example then that's my that's. My My my primary
focus then hallie. Even, Becomes, my, SECONDARY focus honestly so
no i wouldn't go out. And, Do anything, quite, Yet
also i'm sorry yeah halle becomes your secondary focus. If,
you win the lottery again we don't know how he's
it's an. Achilles tiar that wouldn't right but so you're you've,
now if you're doing. That, you've, writing, him off. No
no no it does if you're saying, that he's your
second focus that doesn't mean. That's, that's a big thing
hey you're MY secondary, Focus on an Nba Team that
means that, I'm i'm still considering you i'm still. Having
you in. My plans i'm, still, there i'm not saying
oh you're. No longer the team leader i'm saying that we,
have to know for certain. Like what is Going on
so that means i'm gonna MAKE my initial move. If
i win The Lottery that is, drafting darren, peterson, for
example and, saying okay this right, now as of right
now we know. There's, a known commodity here again depending
on if it delivers to the point OF expectation and
that's when i basically say that's that's Going To be
my primary if, halle, then, comes back plays well okay
we can Shift, our focus back to halle. But we
don't know yet it's probably gonna be a. Year and
a half total. That's what we always hear you, know
that there's the year the, full year of coming back
and then it takes about half, a season if not
more to really get into. The hang of things again
so it's just SUCH a devastating injury that i Can't
sit here and say i'm gonna Put My eggs. IN
the tyres haliburton basket.
Speaker 1: I think that is a wild take to have that
you say, you would shift your focus because that entails
You Would then be trading pascal siakam if this number
one overall pick.
Speaker 2: Is becoming your.
Speaker 1: Primary focus and to Say that without, knowing what haliburton
looks like if you want to go into it with
an open, mind and now it's oh we have this
Potential out or, THIS reorient PASCAL immediately. THOUGH i then
i don't i think what you're saying is at war
with itself because you can't you can't say the number
one overall pick is the primary focus of the franchise
and Then Say we're Gonna have pascal siakam and halliburton
like we're gonna Like They're the Competent.
Speaker 2: That dallas mavericks trade Anthony Davis. After they got cooper
flax is your idea of A Well. Run, Franchise, the dallas,
mavericks see now that's FAIR but you, know what i
mean though in terms of we've seen so many times
it seemed getting the number one pick and they've still.
Had veterans at their disposal they figure out something over
the course of, like a two year period, Right, then
they figure out okay. WHAT timeline are we on i am,
just saying it, would be in my opinion irresponsible to go, into, this,
thing and say Oh yeah we expect tyrese alburton to come,
back and be. You know his lovely self we all hope,
So obviously we, HOPE so but to me i would
feel that it's just putting all of my eggs in one.
BASKET that is extremely uncertain.
Speaker 1: I think, if that if you're again if you're going
in it as, a do or die perspective that they're
just counting on that and they were going to do
something reckless. Like, trade THAT draft pick sure but i
don't think you can go Into next season NOT viewing
haliburton as plan a and then looking.
Speaker 2: To pivot away, from that if HE'S not. This is.
All i say you're not i're not. Tending, a different
spot there Again Depending on, depending on sterren peterson specifically.
HE'S the Guy for me.
Speaker 1: I just, haliburton is a known quantity just led you to,
back TO back, conference, finals and i actually yeah that's like.
SUBSCRIBE to they do that i don't know, what he's
gonna look like especially With the way that, The pacers
want to.
Speaker 2: Play but to say you're going to do pivot away.
FROM him play is insane. I guess that's a pivot.
I Guess that's a pivot but I'm not like. Saying
that i'm. Excluding him there's A difference i'm saying that
i have to go Into, what IS healthy and like
if i have the number one pig AND it's a
guy who i, CONSIDER a franchise altering player i would, be, absolute,
Foolish To, say oh Hey darren peterson we'll be we'll
be back to you in about. A year AND a
half that's just i can't go into, A new situation
like that.
Speaker 1: So you're not touching this roster and you don't think
they need to look at a big of the, future
or at least.
Speaker 2: Waiting and, they, have like a huffs sir how dare
you he's? Leaving the league in blocks what if the
the other EIGHTEEN minutes.
Speaker 1: The other Question i have i'm sure pacers fans probably, tuned, out,
because they're like oh look the two questions that all.
The national guys talk about is it time to like
especially if you're kind of In. On The Idea of
mathrin where's jaris? Walker fit on this team he shot.
Speaker 2: BETTER from three of late, i don't like him DEFENSE
all the things that i thought he, was gonna be.
Bad at he's GOOD at all the things i thought
he was gonna be. GOOD at he's BAD at.
Speaker 1: I just don't i don't know what his. Future is
On this team and, now i'm kind of. Wondering this
is year three do you kind of what if You
Could do Something Like walker toppin or walker jackson and
a twenty twenty seven First round.
Speaker 2: Pick, for a vita zoobots okay so you get an? In,
prime center right now yeah trying to look at the
upside here INTEREST in terms like Because i do see
if hallie does, get Back and he's himself notably, huff still,
on the roster. So exactly that's not bad That is
not bad because i'm also beginning to be. A Little
Bit not out but I'm I'm. Very worried about. JERIS
walker at THIS point i, spoke to, i spoke. With
oh god IT'S late why why am i completely? WHIFFING
on the Name Here. I spoke with, rick carlyle there
we go head coach of, sir IT is one. Am,
and i, am tired carlisle of course and he was
saying he was so impressed with, this was Last, season
though but in january, so almost a year ago but
he was saying He was so impressed with jerris's transition to.
Three instead of the four, and when he, SAID that,
IT was Like i mean i obviously i'm not going
TO push back on an, nba coach because you know
he's forgotten more ABOUT basketball in the time I asked the,
question that i've ever Known but it's not a he,
to me, was always like you know a SOMEWHAT of
a pure for i saw him as Sort Of like
new era paul millsap and him just running around in
The perimeter is something that. I'VE generally been opposed to
i thought you needed to have him closer to the
basket in the initial years and then he could sort
of slowly you level up to the point where he
could be. More of a floor spacer, but as of,
right now it's year three. He's been giving an opportunity
he's playing, twenty six minutes per game and. He's just
not converting shots he's it's. Been it's been a mess let's.
Just be real about it. It's BEEN a. FREAKING mess
so i am i am. NOT out on that deal
i that is one OF the few ones where i could. See,
the logic in it yes. THEY'RE in a tricky spot i,
expect them to do nothing but that was who thought
we were going to have. A huge disagreement over them we.
Speaker 1: Are onto To Wrap, up WITH your washington wizards but
i already know what your.
Speaker 2: Question is, going to be. More so there. It is
it's on screen if you were care to read it.
To the, folks at, home. THANK you THANK you sir
i appre i. APPRECIATE the LAST minute troll i will
I will read it. BECAUSE i will. Own it i, was,
Wrong the question Is Well Cam, winmore win most improved.
Player and. He will not nor. Season i'm gonna double
down i'm gonna double down and make myself. Even More
of an ass tias Jones also won't Win. Six man
OF the year you? Picked, i thought you picked no?
That Wasn't? You, someone else, tis jones yeah that's yeah
That's the awards predictions has they've been especially, rough on. Me, this, year.
Especially rough no no Sir He Will. Not win most
improved players He will Not even win most improved. Player
on his own team He Will Not Even win, most,
improved practice participant, apparently right oh boy now but so
obviously the question Is, in REGARDS. To, The, vets right
cj chris like are they going to pivot? Off of? Them?
Mid season can they like are They earning a lot
of they're earning both of them are. Earning a lot
of money are they earning too much to a point?
Where other, teams are interested we'll see but that's probably going.
To be, My, Big questions and also dan i'm. Not
Even in A rush if i'm If, I'm the not
the wizards i'm not you just have all this cap
space comment you don't need to be, in A rush for,
SURE right and and frankly i Like The idea OF
having chris middleton and cj, McCollum there for you know
an even longer stretch for the entirety of the season
rather because these. ARE quality locker room guys i know,
the RECORD doesn't reflect anything but i trust those two
guys to at least bring. OUT something in young players
i don't disagree with YOU. When.
Speaker 1: IT comes To cj McCollum i and. I'm probably inconsistent
on this it cuts. Like one of two ways how DO.
You feel about what cj McCollum's Usage is going, to
be knowing that okay yes he's averaging three point, four
is his per game but he's not necessarily known as someone's,
gonna elevate everyone around him So he serves as this
i'm looking more so with the, second half, of the
year where's okay he's this Defensive Magnet to when if
trey johnson's available and you want to see him.
Speaker 2: GENERATE.
Speaker 1: More of the offense cg mccoman theory could help because the,
defenses gravitate towards him first but one how often do
you want?
Speaker 2: To PLAY? Those two together is cj also can he
uplift players around him by having the ball?
Speaker 1: So much in his hands so it's kind. OF a
splitting hairs thing i agree the high. Character is a
big deal could the high character translate to a role
in which he has scaled.
Speaker 2: Down on a?
Speaker 1: Team that is going nowhere because the fact that he
has a PROMINENT role on this team i think probably
plays into the way that he Is. APPROACHING again high
character Goud i think having him middleton. The locker room is, good,
i'm also thinking, like well at some point maybe you
want to plumb the depths of, this a little bit
more or of some of the younger, guys a little
Bit More, like The Key shawn george the, trey johnson
for The Two, and THEN even bob carrington who i
think you know he's been asked. To shape shift a
lot do you want To Try? DIFFERENT things with alex
sar i do think one thing they could do to
maybe get, the BEST of both worlds but i don't
know how feasible it is is what if they just
traded for, like an actual floor general just like someone.
Speaker 2: Who could organize the offense. THEY don't have that. RIGHT
i would love that i would, love THAT because last
year and i actually don't want to loop in this
year because He's Only. Played sixteen games alex harr last
year there was a major issue guards or just primary Playmakers,
would just, frequently ignore sar you know when he had
lob opportunities when he was. Just close to the basket,
it's not it, wasn't intentional, it was Just You know
it was bob, carrington for, the most part you know
a rookie himself who just didn't really have his head
up the floor and was able to spot that to.
The extent that he did but it just became a
bit weird that it was just, this theme all the
time like that nothing was really corrected over. THE course
of the Year I, firmly believe, that alex sar you
know probably suffered a loss of like a four point
scoring average per game last year because guys just, did
not fucking see him and, major major issue, this year
sixteen games in he's for him at, least we're seeing
more scoring we're seeing him getting the ball a little,
bit more in those spots but there are still that's
there's still that issue that he can be a lob
threat and that ball is just not. Being PASSED over
the top so i think it would behoove them to
bring in someone who's. Like a true Point Guard you
brought up trey jones a couple. Of times for other
teams THAT'S an interesting player who i wouldn't hate, SEE
there under THAT prism i. THINK that i would love
i know he's injured and you probably. Give up stuff, the, games,
oh that's good yes yes young enough to also join in.
On you Know them well the, Trade jones, is, AS
well but like, yes i agree with. You that's A
good one the other i.
Speaker 1: CAUGHT shit for this one i was trying to name
players where it's you don't have to give up much.
Or anything and they fit do you WANT a Younger Guy,
like i said tyler kohlik who is The, best passer
on the knicks but he has, All sorts Of flaws,
right And the wizards fans, some WIZARDS fans were mad,
and i was just like we Need to recognize. Where
the wizards are apt they're not going to go out
there and trade for like give up first round picks
to go. Get somebody is my? Point, but can it
what like what Is The deal for for tyler collick?
Speaker 2: Though he has. Two years it's basically nothing, It's it's,
under no sorry i'm sorry what's?
Speaker 1: The trade You take him because the knicks want? To
cut money beneath this this like he fits into an
Exception like it's just the knicks might even give you
a second round pick at. This point to do it
he's been, playing a little.
Speaker 2: Bit more but.
Speaker 1: They don't they clearly don't or Maybe It's you took
on Pocom Dottie. As well As tyler, cole that's just
i'm saying because they're not going to do anything that's,
Super like a consolidation trade i'm just either TAKE a,
FLYER or like i Said I would definitely go trey
jones if you had to give, Up Some Seconds. For
him scottie, Pippen jr if he's healthy i'd probably give
Up Some Nasty.
Speaker 2: Stuff for. Scottie pippen jr i'm not, I'm NOT gonna?
Lie there am i wrong and also saying there Is
Potentially solutions to the alex sar not getting the ball
problem and, on, the roster By Saying Hey. Just, PLAY
sharife cooper more AH i don't know that i. HAVE
given that enough thought. I loved him in college let's
just put that one of the best playmakers in college
put a lot of pressure. On, THE rims, as well,
like i know he's small six foot. NOTHING on a
good day i, Loved the passing instincts. Though, but that's.
That's fair like that's fair. HE'S only played ten minutes
i would if.
Speaker 1: They give completely different positions but if they play him
and aren't giving A Ton, OF minutes to jamir watkins i.
Speaker 2: Will probably riot. Against, that so that's FAIR yeah but.
Speaker 1: That's what I would be they're gonna i think they
can facilitate salary dumps because They, are BENEATH the luxury atax.
Speaker 2: AND i.
Speaker 1: THINK they will i would i do think maybe it
ends up, Being A buyout or something but i DO.
Think it One Of cj McCollum or chris middleton is
gonna end up being especially Like, when You look at
middleton it's riley's shown some stuff like do You Look
at just moving?
Speaker 2: Cam whitmore at this point are you ready? To bail
out On?
Speaker 1: Him or is the wizards do, you still appreciate, That
flyer the fair fair there's so many, different THINGS they
COULD do but i do i think the one thing
we're really in lockstep with is that it feels like
this team could benefit from. More of a offensive organizer
it's just it's just tough because, of the spot they're
in or you willing to give up stuff to get,
That type of a player and what is what is
The risk reward profile of, let's say They Get, that
whether it's.
Speaker 2: Trey jones whether it's whoever?
Speaker 1: Is, there any downside too well now we have kind
of diminished someone else's role who's more On Our timeline
than A. Trey jones or a, whoever so you could
say go out and get. One of the younger guys
but unless you're taking again a bottom of The Barrel,
flyer on a tyler kolak you might be giving up something,
substantial to get a prompt like you're probably giving up
Something Interesting to get. A scotti pip, In, junior if
he's healthy yeah and. He's not even? Super young?
Speaker 2: WHAT is he twenty, seven, i think, he's younger, right
TWENTY five, twenty six that's i. Mean that's, certainly young enough,
SO yeah that's interesting yeah i wouldn't go out. And
just sell the farm let's just. He, just turned. Twenty
five YEAH super young why did i? THINK he was so,
old i would Trade everything give up alex aar then
just go go get good because we've heard about him
for so many years we were waiting for his arrival as. Well,
coming into. The.
Speaker 1: League yeah for sure there they are one of my
favorite teams to watch, near the TRADE deadline though because
they i think are gonna be important to making other
deals work or. Other team's visions actually actualizing do you?
Speaker 2: HAVE anything. Else on this i don't why don't don't
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Speaker 2: To the. One the, only the indelible he also unfortunately
will Not be Winning the, NBA's most implud player award.
Even Though Maybe he should mister frank nila