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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is

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your host, George Hobbes.

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Speaker 3: Good evening tonight. Across all podcast platforms, I'm sharing a

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special broadcast of our Foundations and Faith radio program that

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airs every Thursday night on WRMI Radio, Miami International. Over

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the last several months, I've been researching and writing a

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new book titled Exposing Dispensationalism. In this broadcast, we take

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a serious look at the origins of modern dispensational theology,

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the rise of the pre tribulation rapture doctrine, the separation

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of Israel and the Church, and how prophecy sensationalism has

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reshaped much of modern Christianity. And again, this is not

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about attacking sincere believers. It's about examining scripture, church history

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and asking difficult questions many churches avoid. I hope you'll

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listen with an open Bible and an open mind. Here

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is tonight's edition of Foundations in Faith Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Foundations in Faith with your host George Hobbes,

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bringing Biblical truth to real world problems and calling believers

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to deeper discipleship. Visit US at Foundationsinfaith dot net and

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now here is your host, George Hobbes.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome back to Foundations in Faith Radio.

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Whether you're listening in North America, South America, or the Caribbean,

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We're so thankful you're tuning in this evening. I want

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to spend our time talking about a subject that has

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shaped modern Christianity more than many believers realize. Over the

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last several months, I've been researching, writing, praying, studying scripture

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and digging through Church history, examining theological systems, tracing timelines

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and comparing what many Christians have been taught against what

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the Bible actually says. And the result is a new

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book entitled Exposing Dispensationalism. Tonight is not about attacking people,

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and it's certainly not attacking or mocking sincere believers of

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Jesus Christ. It is not about creating division for the

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sake of controversy. Tonight is about asking a very serious question,

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what happens when an entire generation of Christians build its

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understanding of Prophecy, Israel, the Church, and the return of

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Christ around a system that many believers throughout Church history

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never taught. Now, for many Christians listening tonight, dispensationalism is

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simply assumed to be biblical truth. Many grew up hearing

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about the pre tribulation rapture in the sudden disappearance of

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the Church and of rebuilt Temple, the seven year Tribulations

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separated from the Church, and a prophetic focus centered almost

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entirely around modern Israel. Entire ministries, publishing companies, conferences, movies,

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television networks have built enormous audiences around these teachings, books, politics,

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prophecy itself. The question that we have to ask is

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where did these teachings come from and do they truly

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align within the whole Council of God right. One of

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the most important things believers can do is examine traditions

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carefully in the light of scripture that should not frighten us.

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In fact, look at Acts seventeen. It praises the Bahreans

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because they searched the scriptures daily to determine whether the

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things they were hearing were true. Now, the danger in

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modern Christianity is that many believers have inherited systems without

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ever tracing their origins or testing their assumptions carefully against

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the Bible itself. Entire generations have accepted prophetic charts, timelines,

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Schofield notes, conference teachings, and sensational prophecy preaching without even

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stopping to ask where the early Church taught these things,

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whether the reformers in the fifteen hundreds taught these things,

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or whether the apostles themselves ever intended prophecy to be

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understood in this way. Now, let me be very clear tonight.

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This is not a discussion about whether Jesus is returning.

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He absolutely positively is. The return of Christ is one

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of the central promises of the Christian faith. This is

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not a discussion about whether evil exists in this world.

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It most certainly does, and we see it on a

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daily basis. This isn't a discussion about whether believers will

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face persecution. Jesus promised they would. The issue is not

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whether prophecy matters. The issue is how prophecy has been

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interpreted and whether certain systems have fundamentally changed how Christians

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view the church, suffering, discipleship, Israel, and the mission of

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the Gospel. One of the reasons I even began writing

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this book because I noticed something troubling over the years.

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Many Christians now approach prophecy almost entirely through the lens

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of fear, escape, speculation, current events. Right, every time you

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see something in the news is that prophetic. Every war

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becomes gog and magog, Every politician becomes a possible anti Christ,

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every economic crisis becomes proof, the end of days is

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among us. Every technological development becomes the possible mark of

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the beast. Christians are constantly told to scan the headlines,

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watch governments, monitor world events, and prepare for sudden disappearance.

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Yet at the same time, many churches spend very little

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time teaching repentance, holiness, discipleship, biblical literacy, or spiritual endurance.

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And that imbalance, ladies and gentlemen should concern us. The

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early Church did not build its faith around escaping tribulation.

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The Apostles prepared believers to endure suffering faithfully. Jesus himself

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warned repeatedly that his followers would face persecution, hatred, betrayal,

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and tribulation in the world. We have been preaching truth

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for six years, and rarely is it welcome with open arms.

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The New Testament consistently presents the Christian life as one

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of perseverance and endurance and faithfulness and steadfastness under pressure.

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Yet much of modern prophecy teaching has created an expectation

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that the Church will somehow avoid the very tribulation believers

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around the world have endured for centuries, and when we

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begin tracing the history of dispensational theology, we discover that

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many of its distinctive teachings are actually far newer than

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most Christians realize. The modern pre tribulation rapture system did

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not emerge from the Apostles, the early Church Fathers, or

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the Reformers or the Puritans. Much of the modern framework

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became systematized in the nineteenth century through teachings of men

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like John Nelson Darby, and later spread widely through the

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influence of the Schofield Reference Bible. Once these prophetic interpretations

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were embedded directly into the study notes alongside biblical text,

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generations of Christians began accepting these interpretations almost as unquestionable truth,

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and that influence cannot be overstated. Many believers eventually struggled

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to separate the scripture itself from the notes that surround

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the scripture. Entire theological assumptions became normalized through repetition. Seminaries

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taught it Bible. Collegis taught it, radio ministries taught it.

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TV preachers taught it. Conferences, fiction books left behind, films

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frightened audiences with it. Eventually, questioning the system itself became

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almost unthinkable. What you're not a pre trip ratcher guy?

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Speaker 4: What's wrong with you?

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Speaker 3: But look at if you take the time and discern

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true church history, it tells a much larger story For

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the majority of Christian history. From the time of Jesus's

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ascension until the mid nineteenth century, believers did not teach

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a secret pret removal of the church before a seven

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year tribulation period. They understood tribulation as something Christians must endure,

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not escape. They viewed the Church as the prophetic passages

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differently than modern dispensational systems do today. That doesn't mean

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that every historical interpretation was perfect, but it does force

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us to confront an uncomfortable question. If these teachings are

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so central to biblical Christianity, why are they largely absent

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for so much of Church history. Another major issue involves

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how dispensationalism separates Israel and the Church into two distinct

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prophetic peoples and tw stinct programs. This distinction has dramatically

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shaped modern evangelical politics. Look at John Hagey, foreign policy attitudes,

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and prophetic speculation. Many Christians have been taught to interpret

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every Middle Eastern conflict, going back to Desert Storm Iran

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Iraq War, all through the lens of dispensational framework. Some

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believers now follow modern jew politics with greater passion than

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they even follow the Gospel itself. But the New Testament

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repeatedly emphasizes unity in Christ. Ephesians two speaks of Jew

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and Gentile becoming one new man through Jesus Christ. Galatians

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three declares that those who belong to Christ are abraham seed.

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The apostles consistently pointed believers toward Christ as the fulfillment

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of the redemptive plan. And you know it's interesting, that's

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one of the greatest tragedies in all of this. Many

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Christians have become so consumed with escaping the world that

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they have neglected their responsibility within the world, and that

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is sharing the Great Commission. Instead of building strong disciples,

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preaching repentance, caring for the poor, evangelizing the lost, discipling families,

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and standing firmly in biblical truth, many churches have become

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obsessed with decoding headlines and predicting timelines. You see, in

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this case, fear replaces discipleship, speculation replaces biblical depth, and

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entertainment replaces serious studies. So over the coming broadcasts, we're

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going to continue to examine these issues carefully and biblically.

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We're going to discuss the origins of dispensationalism, the history

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behind the modern raptor rapture doctrine, and the role of

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the Schofield Bible, and so much more. You're listening to

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Speaker 5: I'll warn you about the Grace Evangelical Society. They sent

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me this recent magazine and if you don't know who

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they are, they teach a crossless gospel. It was founded

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by Zaane Hodges, a dispensationalist. Yes, people were saved by

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works at different times. Their crossless gospel is that you

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don't have to believe that Jesus died for your sins

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on the cross. All you have to do is call

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in the name of the Lord. Well. This article is

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about Israel in Romans ten, where it talks about those

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that preach the gospel of peace. They want you to

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believe that the Gospel of Peace is actually when Antichrist,

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Israel is saved without believing on Jesus or on the cross.

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And they go on and they craft this article. Let

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me just show you the quote here. This will happen

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in the last days, during the tribulation. The armies of

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the world will threaten Israel with extinction. By the way,

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the modern day nation of Israel is not biblical Israel

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at all. They're not related, they don't have the bloodline,

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they don't have the religion. They're of the Talmud. It's heresy.

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But nonetheless, he says, it's when the armies attack Israel,

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the nation will be made up entirely of believers. They

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will ask the Lord to save them from their enemies.

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Again the crossless gospel, they say, Christ will return and

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bring the nation of Israel into His kingdom. The nation

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will be at peace. This, indeed is glad tidings. They're

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literally teaching a Jesus less gospel, a cross less gospel,

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without believing that Jesus is Christ. The modern nation will

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automatically be saved miraculously. And this is total heresy because

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what they're getting at here is that the Israel that's

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trying to build the third Temple. Yeah, the Antichrist temple

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that will take the mark of the Beast. Yeah, the

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one that will condemn them to hell forever. They're trying

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to say, just because of their bloodline, God will somehow

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miraculously automatically save them. This is total heresy.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Foundations in Faith Radio. I'm your host,

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George Hobbs. Tonight we're discussing themes from my book Exposing Dispensationalism.

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Please go to Foundations Infaith dot net for more. In

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this segment, I want to move deeper into how this

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theological system gradually shaped modern evangelical Christianity, because once you

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began examining its influence, honestly, you've realized that this is

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not merely a minor disagreement over prophecy. Charge dispensational theology

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has fundamentally altered how many Christians view the Church, how

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they viewed suffering, the Kingdom of God, evangelism, politics, even

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the mission of Christianity in itself, and one of the

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greatest shifts occurred in how believers began viewing the relationship

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between the Church and tribulation. For most of church history,

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Christians expected suffering. The apostles the early Church believers throughout

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the Roman Empire, they all suffered. Christians were imprisoned, tortured, executed,

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burned alive, crucified, fed to wild animals, were persecuted for

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refusing to deny Jesus Christ. And by the way, it's

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going on right now as we speak around the world

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more than most people even understand. The New Testament never

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hides this reality. In fact, Jesus warned his followers repeatedly

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that persecution would accompany faithful discipleship. John sixteen thirty three says,

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in the world, ye shall have tribulation. Acts fourteen twenty

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two says that we must, through much tribulation enter the

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Kingdom of God. Two Timothy three twelve says yea, and

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all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

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These are not obscure verses hidden in the corners of scripture.

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That is the consistent testimony of the New Testament. Yet

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many churches an entirely different expectation developed Christians were taught

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that the church would be removed before tribulation arrived in

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its fullest form. Entire generations grew up believing that they

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would assess escape the worst suffering through a secret rapture

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event before the appearance of the Antichrist and the great tribulation.

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Speaker 4: Pardon me.

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Speaker 3: This dramatically changed how many believers approach the Christian life itself.

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Instead of preparing Christians to endure faithfully under pressure twenty twenty,

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many churches unintentionally conditioned to believers to expect escape before

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hardship intensified. A church that trained primarily for escape will

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struggle when pressure actually arrives. A church trained primarily around

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comfort and prosperity becomes spiritually fragile, and I believe we're

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already seeing the results, folks. Many believers panic at the

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first signs of cultural opposition because they were never prepared

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for spiritual endurance. Christians and nations around the world understand

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suffering far better than much of the Western Church does,

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because differing has always been a part of that reality.

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Another issue involves how prophecy teaching became increasingly tied to

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geopolitical views, particularly surrounding modern day geopolitical Israel now again,

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questioning dispensationalism is not anti semitism. Christians are commanded to

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love all people, and when you pray for Israel, you

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should pray that those ninety eight point five percent of

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people who are not in Christ within those borders find him. Now,

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the issue is theological interpretation. Many dispensational systems teach that

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modern political Israel sits at the absolute center of end

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Time's prophecy in a way that causes many believers to

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liberty now. As a result, countless Christians spend enormous amounts

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of time analyzing wars, treaties, political leaders, rad Heifer's Temple discussions,

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and international tensions, while neglecting the serious spiritual matters entirely.

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Some believers can explain complicated prophetic timelines, but they don't

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know how to articulate the Gospel to someone clearly. Others

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know every headline from Jerusalem and who is the leader

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in politics, but they spend very little time in prayer

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or discipleship or evangelism. That imbalance should deeply concern the church.

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The New Testament consistently centers the believers hope in Jesus

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Christ and his Kingdom, not an endless speculation. Colossians tells

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believers to set their affection on things above, not on

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the earth. Hebrews points to believers into the heavenly kingdom.

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The Apostles constantly emphasize faithfulness, holiness, perseverance, and obedience. Yet

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this modern prophecy culture often pulls Christians into an endless

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cycle of fear based anticipation, driven by headlines rather than

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scripture itself, and that fear based culture becomes enormously profitable.

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You look at the last century, the book industry, movies,

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on and on and on right, the wars in the

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Middle East, the European Union, bar codes, computer chips, vaccines.

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All these conflicts are repeatedly presented as definitive proof that

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the end has arrived immediately. Now, absolutely, Christians should remain watchful.

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The scripture teaches that clearly. But there's a difference between

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watchfulness and obsession. There's a difference between discernment and sensationalism.

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I too have been guilty of that in the past.

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You have to keep your eye on the prize, on

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the bigger picture. Many ministries build entire platforms around keeping

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believers in a constant state of prophetic anxiety. The truth is,

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if you're in Christ, you shouldn't have any anxiety.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: Constant fear is not the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

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And when believers spend years consuming endless prophecy speculation, it

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often produces exhaustion, confusion, and spiritual instability. Some Christians become

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terrified of world events rather than being confident in Christ right,

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some stop thinking generationally, Why build, why disciple? Why invest

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in the future generations? And that mindset has quietly weakened

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the church over time, and many churches have lost their

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focus and they keep their messages within those four walls.

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And perhaps most dangerous of all, many believers now approach

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prophecy primarily through fear. Right, the return of Jesus Christ

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should inspire you through holiness, faithfulness, repentance, perseverance, and worship.

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It shouldn't produce constant panic and confusion. This is one

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of the central arguments of exposing dispensationalism. Modern prophecy systems

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have in many cases redirected the focus of believers away

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from the simplicity of power of the Gospel itself right,

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And the church doesn't need more sensationalism right now. It

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needs discernment, It needs biblical literacy, courage, repentance. It needs,

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you know, strong willed pastors that are willing to teach

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the whole Council of God instead of endlessly chasing prophetic

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speculation and emotional excitement. Because at the end of the day,

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our hope isn't escaping tribulation. Our hope is in Jesus

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Christ himself. You're listening to Foundations in Faith Radio on

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WRMI Radio Miami International.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're saying, is the Schofield Bible, it's theology deceptive.

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Speaker 1: A very wealthy, very charismatic preacher named John Darby came

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with this doctrine that's now referred to as the secret

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rapture or the pre tribulation rapture. And guess who he

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was connected to, by the way, the rothschilds interesting.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of a Scofield Bible? Yes? I have, Okay,

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so SII. Scofield was basically.

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Speaker 1: A student of John Darby, and he adopted that part

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of the doctrine and he incorporated that into the Bible.

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It was the first Bible ever made that had study

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notes with it. It became so popular. Every Christian was

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reading it, Every minister was reading it, including me, including

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my own father.

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Speaker 4: For a long time. That's what we believe too.

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Speaker 1: But when you start actually going back and reading line

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by line by line, what is said that we'll be

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leading up to Jesus coming back, which is when the

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rapture happens. It's the end verse of what John Darby

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put down.

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Speaker 3: My sense was the Schofield stuff, which has had massive

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implications for our foreign policy, for example, in our domestic politics,

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was probably a lie. Welcome back to the final segment

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of Foundations and Faith. As we close tonight's broadcast, I

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want to leave you with a final thought for my

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book exposing dispensationalism, and I believe it may be the

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most important.

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Speaker 4: Point of all.

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Speaker 3: And again I just want to remind you that this

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discussion is in love. It's ultimately not about winning arguments

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or about trying to embarrass sincere believers who were taught

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a particular prophetic system, and it's certainly not about arrogance

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or pride or some type of theological superiority. That's not

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the case whatsoever. It's about whether the modern church has

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slowly drifted away from the simplicity, endurance, and discipleship centered

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faith taught by Jesus Christ and his apostles. When you

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step back and examine modern evangelical culture honestly, you begin

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noticing how deeply prophecy sensationalism has shaped the thinking of

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millions upon millions of Christians. Entire generations have been conditioned

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to view the Christian life primarily through the lens of escape, crisis, fear,

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and speculation. Churches hold prophecy conferences packed with charts and

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timelines and discussion about the Antichrist, while at the same

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time many congregations barely speak about the things we mentioned earlier.

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Jesus never told his followers to build their lives around

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decoding headlines. He told them to deny themselves and follow

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him right. Deny yourself, take up your cross, endure faithfully.

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He told them to preach the Gospel to every creature.

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He told them to make disciples of all nations. He

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warned repeatedly about deception, absolutely, but he also warned about lawlessness,

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being lukewarm, compromise, hypocrisy, the love of many, growing gold,

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and Perhaps one of the greatest tragedy of modern prophecy

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culture is that many believers became so focused on watching

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the world they stopped examining the condition of the church itself.

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The early Christians didn't conquer the Roman Empire because they

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possessed perfect prophecy charts. They transformed the world because they

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were filled with conviction, holiness, and courage and unwavering faith

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in the Lord Jesus Christ. They preached under persecution. They

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suffered without renouncing Christ. Look look at Paul. They endured imprisonment, torture, poverty,

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and death while still proclaiming the Gospel boldly. Their confidence

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wasn't rooted in escaping suffering. Their confidence was rooted in

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the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the certainty that he

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reigns over history itself. Now, somewhere along the way, much

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of modern churches exchanged that rugged endurance for a culture

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of comfort and speculation. Entire ministries now revolve around fear

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driven anticipation. Believers are constantly scanning world events for the

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next sign, the next crisis, the next political development. And

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while Christians remain distracted by endless speculation, culture around them

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collapses morally and spiritually, we are more wrapped up about

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voting Republican and democrat, all the while the moral decay

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of this country and around the world continues. Look around us,

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families are falling apart. Churches are so weak doctrinally, Biblical

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literacy is exploding. Children are being discipled by social media,

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entertainment and secular ideology more than scripture. Repentance in the

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church is rarely preached today, Holiness is often mocked as legalism.

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Emotional experiences have replaced serious study of the Word of God,

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and many churches now resemble motivational seminars or entertainment venues

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more than houses devoted to prayer, discipleship, and the preaching

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of the Gospel. This is why this is so important,

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because theology shapes behavior. What people believe and what they

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perceive affects how they live. And again, a church that

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teaches constant message of escaping tribulation it loses its sense

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of long term mission, and a church consumed with speculation

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often neglects discipleship. And again, the New Testament repeatedly calls

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believers to steadfastness. Romans five speaks of tribulation, producing patience, experience,

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and even hope. James tells believers to count joy when

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they face trials. First Peter was written to suffering Christians

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that were enduring persecution and Revelation itself was written not

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to entertain believers with speculation, but to strengthen persecuted saints

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to remain faithful to Christ, regardless the cost. That changes

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how we read prophecy entirely. Prophecy is not primarily about

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satisfying curiosity. It's about calling believers to faithfulness. It reminds

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us that Christ wins. It reminds us that evil will

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not triumph forever. And it reminds us that kingdoms rise

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and fall beneath the sovereignty of God. And it reminds

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us that Christ is king, whether the world acknowledges him

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or not, because there will come a time when every

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niche shall bow, and every tongue will confess that Jesus

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Christ is Lord. And to all the brothers and sisters

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listening tonight, I believe the modern Church desperately needs to

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recover that perspective. We don't need more fear, we don't

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need any more sensationalism. We don't need Christians living in

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constant panic. Yet every war election, economic collapse, and headlines

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flashing across the television screens. Again, I'm talking to myself

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just like I'm talking to you. We're all guilty of

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these things. But remember, the Gospel was never built on comfort.

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It was built upon a bloody cross. Jesus Christ did

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not call his followers to safety. He called them to faithfulness.

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And perhaps that's what troubles me the most about much

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of this prophecy culture. In many cases, it's unintentionally trained

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believers to fear suffering more than sin. Yet the Apostles

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feared compromise far more than they feared persecution. They understood

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something the modern church often forgets, and that is suffering

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can strengthen believers. He can purify believers and force the

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church to depend fully on God. Right, the Church has

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survived Roman emperors, persecution, imprisonment, corruption, war, famine.

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Speaker 4: Right, it didn't.

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Speaker 3: Survive because believers escaped difficulty. It has survived because Jesus

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Christ is building his church and the gates of hell

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shall not prevail against it. So, ladies and gentlemen, tonight,

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my challenge is simple. Go back to scripture, read the

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Word of God carefully, examine what you've been taught. Test

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every system against the Bible itself. Do not place your

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trust in prophecy, teachers, in myself, study notes, conferences, internet personalities,

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or best selling novels. Place your trust in Jesus Christ

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and in the authority of His word. Remember the Church.

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Your Sunday ten thirty am or whatever time it is,

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should be the starting line, not the finish line, because

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at the end of the day, our hope is not

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escaping the world. Our hope is in the risen Savior

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who overcame the world. And no matter what comes in

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the days ahead, the truth remains unshaken. Good Night, and

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God bless each and every one of you,